The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

[forest walrus]

Oh wait, I think there's a spot in the Spirit Temple that requires them.

[faint storm]

I got 40 bombs early enough that I was actually using them as a general weapon ||like in that part of Jabu-Jabu's belly where your sword and slingshot don't do shit and you have electric monsters all over you and you're just trying to find the boomerang or at least a map||

Seriously, for such a small dungeon, it's a bloody maze at first and constantly trying to deal with monsters you can barely do anything about doesn't help

[oblique egret]

Throw the princess at everything

[faint storm]

Forest Temple got me good

I'm not sure if that frustrating bullshit with the keys is good design or not, because it sure as hell is clever

||if you give up and save and quit and restart, you begin right in the room with the key you probably missed||

[dark smelt]

Spend 20 minutes catching chickens, couldn't figure how to get to them all until I randomly jump with one in my hands, then entered a hole in ground, chickens respawned in their old places, except one, who respawned in the texture of a box, and I could get him. Fml

[urban temple]

A future item may be useful

[urban temple]

The box is destroyable

[dark smelt]

How?

[urban temple]

Bomb

[dark smelt]

OK, I didn't have bombs, thanks though

[fierce lion]

Roll into it

[nimble maple]

What I thought you always begin at the entrance of the dungeon

[fierce lion]

There’s a SoH setting to start in the last room you entered. Maybe it’s that oh right. This is very specific to this key and this dungeon

[red torrent]

||there's a key in the first room that a lot of people miss when they dont have the compass yet||

[oblique egret]

Because it doesn't look like you're inside yet

[silver latch]

There is a place where you need bombchus, but IIRC there is a chest with them right there too. It’s ||in Ganon’s castle||

Oh I just googled it and there is another place where they’re required in ||the spirit temple||

[zinc plover]

If you look at the counter when starting the game it displays what prize you can win during that game. I think it rotates through 5 different items

[faint storm]

Yep, I banged my head against it for a half an hour and then decided to preserve sanity resource

[zinc plover]

That is how the shooting gallery games have been to me. Maybe I will turn on gyro for them.

[urban temple]

This proved invaluable, thank you

[forest walrus]

I got a perfect score on both of the shooting gallery mini-games in Majora's Mask, using this controller.

😛

[oblique egret]

Worst controller of all time for Mischief Makers

[forest walrus]

That's why I also have a first party N64 controller. 😛

1:05
https://youtu.be/OZI2ywAm9zg?si=kIvJRbMB50yyyj4y

[red torrent]

i still have like 30 skulltulas left but only 4 heart pieces left lol im clearly screwing up the skulltulas. cleared spirit temple but missed a skulltula there too... i think i might need ||hammer|| tho there's something i cant do without it

[forest walrus]

So you're going for 100% completion too?

[faint storm]

Scarecrow shit ||y'all really gonna make me remember my own damn horrible music||

[red torrent]

yeah. skulltulas are wack tho lol but im gonna power through it i guess, ive just got 4 more heart pieces and ||2 great fairies|| left outside of that (and two main dungeons)

[crude terrace]

SHAKE SHAKE

I leveled up with that message

[oblique egret]

As you should

[crude terrace]

god bless mischief makers

[zinc plover]

around in a circle with the c buttons, then A three times.

[forest walrus]

I just did a counter-clockwise circle with the C-buttons (×2) in OoT, and I did Zelda's Lullaby in Majora's Mask. c:

[faint storm]

you two are probably right

can't sound any worse than my A left right A left right up down nonsense

[fierce lion]

You can always just check in the list of songs, no?

[faint storm]

I don't know that Scarecrow's Song is actually recorded in the list. it wasn't when I looked, but I might be blind

[forest walrus]

No, I'm pretty sure that you have to either memorize it or write it down, or talk to the scarecrow again and make a new song.

[zinc plover]

I never seen it on the list.

[minor python]

We're cooking with gas now. Just found about a certain well entity.

Yeah you gotta memorize your own song.

[zinc plover]

I have to admit. This is a hot take so I will hid it. ||This game is a lot better than BoTW to me.||

[silver latch]

I 100% agree. ||I think BotW is a good game, but sandbox games aren't my jam, so I think almost every other zelda game with the traditional formula are more fun.||

[zinc plover]

The traditional formula is what I like about the LoZ games. ||Themed dungeons are my favorite.||

[forest walrus]

Yep, same here. Nintendo doesn't seem to understand that many LoZ fans enjoy the series specifically because of the traditional formula.
Nintendo magic + item progression + themed dungeons + good music = a good time. :3

[zinc plover]

I think plenty of people like the new formula

[faint storm]

I don't think Nintendo was wrong to depart from the traditional formula. The traditional formula having nothing wrong with it doesn't mean they had great ideas for what new to do with that traditional formula, and, as this server is very much about, those old games are still around.

[crude terrace]

the new formula is great and still has room to improve

[faint storm]

They just didn't want to do more of the same but with more modern graphics

[crude terrace]

the difference between dungeon design, story, etc from BotW to TotK was huge imo

and it should only get better

[zinc plover]

I didn't notice much of a change in dungeons in ToTK. I only played it for like 5 hours. So maybe I missed something later on. Just all feels repetitive after 3 of them.

[forest walrus]

They have the same reasoning behind Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox. They don't have to reinvent the wheel to justify a new game in a series.
And if they feel like they need to then those games just don't get made, so you're left replaying the old ones over and over.
At least with Metroid they eventually caved to fans and gave them new, quality mainline Metroid games.

[zinc plover]

Metroid sells very bad compare to LoZ

[crude terrace]

I meant that the dungeons themselves were very same-y in BotW because the game was designed around you doing them in any order so there was nothing themed around specific items, etc

TotK had that too, but I felt the dungeons were more themed (fire, water, themed, etc) and felt like four distinct places instead of different beasts that looked the same internally

Also the ultrahand system is bananas and way better than most physics sandbox stuff

but that's a matter of opinion

[zinc plover]

I just need more in my sandbox to do. Too much sand and not enought toys in BotW to me.

[silver latch]

I've never been more technically impressed while simultaneously let down by a game mechanic than ultra hand. To me, most Zelda puzzles pay off immediately when you figure them out. Ultra hand puzzles were usually super easy to tell how to solve, but then comparatively clunky to actually execute, which took me out of the flow and diminished the fun factor

it had its moments, but I didn't love it as the main gimmick of TotK

[crude terrace]

my resposne was covered in saying that it is a matter of opinion

but not every main gimmick is a success story when it comes to Zelda

Skyward Sword suffered immensely because of it

I can't spell apparently

[red torrent]

i think the new and old formulas can and should coexist tbh. there are different sort of "genres" of mario game that coexist, the same could be true for zelda. personally i would love a new 2d zelda

[zinc plover]

New 2d HD would be great.

[red torrent]

yeah. or even if its 3d graphics like the links awakening remake or albw just top-down perspective

[silver latch]

I just hope they keep making classic style zelda games. I'm fine if they make new style too, even if I don't like them as much. But we have only had remakes of classic zelda games since BotW came out, no new games in the classic style

[zinc plover]

Is there a way to keep it night in SoH? I want to try this https://youtube.com/shorts/HssA8l9QXM0?si=zgwhO0sgroy9fEZ1

[red torrent]

part of it is i think they're afraid to give the zelda reigns to another developer like they did with metroid outside of spinoffs and remakes. so the big massive timesink game development like botw is all they can do, there's no bandwidth for smaller games

like there used to be in the gbc/gba era with the capcom codeveloped ones

[zinc plover]

I get that games have to change or else fans get mad. Look at pokemon games. Like RE4 or 2018 GoW made major changes to the formula that fans like. But I am the old man yelling at clouds.

[silver latch]

lol, same. Maybe its time to checkout some of the zelda-like games from people besides nintendo

Maybe if I finish this and samurai, I'll start Okami

[red torrent]

darksiders was pretty fun

[zinc plover]

I was reading that OoT had like 500 people working on it during it's development. Most people Nintendo has ever used to make a game.

[red torrent]

zelda with god of war combat basically

[silver latch]

oh yeah, I think I have at least the first two of those in my steam library and have never tried them

[zinc plover]

which god of war?

[red torrent]

older. arguably maybe a little mroe like devil may cry combat actually? but hack n slash combat

[zinc plover]

Nice

[red torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRhdtFrjKlU but yeah good mix of zelda-like progression w dungeons and stuff but with hack n slash combat. not the most original game or anything but i had fun with it

[silver latch]

I know for 2d games there are also several games made for the solarus engine. I've played a little bit of Ocean's Heart (which I think is even available in Portmaster and plays on really low spec devices) and it seemed polished, but lacked some charm or something, so I didn't get very far.

[red torrent]

yeah for 2d zelda-likes i did the first few dungeons of blossom tale and it never really clicked.

death's door is cool but is only lightly zelda-like i guess, its more like an isometric soulslike.

Anodyne is really good but moreso in terms of aesthetics and atmosphere, it doesnt really have much in the way of dungeon items. it's zelda meets yume nikkie basically

ittle dew 1 is really good but more a puzzle game within the zelda formula, ittle dew 2 tries to be too many things at once and suffers a bit for it but its still pretty good

racheteer on playdate is cool but its on playdate so thats not an option for everyone lol

need to try some solarus stuff

[zinc plover]

I been flowing Dragonyhm (more rpg than adventure)

[red torrent]

ive heard really good things about eastward but im not sure if thats a zeldalike

[forest walrus]

How about Crusader of Centy and Gunman's Proof?

[zinc plover]

We played Gunman here. It was alright.

[red torrent]

well yeah if u want to go retro there's those, beyond oasis, neutopia, golden axe warrior. i need to give centy a shot, neutopia was kind of bland, gunman's proof is okay. beyond oasis i need to give another shot but it was kinda janky feeling

[silver latch]

We played Centy too (I didn't, but it did win)

[zinc plover]

I think we played Centy also. Befoe I was here.

Neutopis is very bland indeed

[silver latch]

I liked Beyond Oasis. Fighting felt more like a beat em up. I'd like to try golden axe warrior

[red torrent]

i keep starting sylvan tale on game gear and liking it but getting distracted by other stuff

I've played a little golden axe warrior and it's probably great if u really like Zelda 1 but I got into Zelda with the later ones

[zinc plover]

anyone try Hime's Quest?

[viscid garnet]

Did that friggin ||Dampe's race|| without ||longshot||. Sidehopping and ||warp song cheat|| helped to do so

[red torrent]

Also what I played of Alundra rules but I want to shill it for gotm eventually. It's been so long I might just play it now tho I guess lol

[silver latch]

oh yeah, Alundra is another one I've heard really good things about and would like to play

[red torrent]

Didn't know it existed lol. Crunchyroll?

What's with these corporations commissioning gbc games lol there was the McDonald's one too

[zinc plover]

Yep. Just saw it today.

[viscid garnet]

Alundra is fine but, mild spoilers, ||that story is so frigging dark||

[zinc plover]

Smith & maybe it is time to try again?

[red torrent]

yeah maybe

Iirc it's on the rpgotq list too

[red torrent]

Yeah I didn't get super deep into it but it's like Zelda gameplay but edgy ps1 JRPG narrative

[viscid garnet]

I definitely wouldn't, I've tired of that kinds of stories. I like Oasis/Story of Thor series, they are kinda lighthearthed

[zinc plover]

I meant to nominated it for GotM

[viscid garnet]

Maybe, gameplay is kind of Zelda so maybe ppl who tired of original would look on ripoffs

I should give another try to Light Crusader from Genesis/MegaDrive, tried but never finished

[red torrent]

landstalker is from the same devs as Alundra and is very lighthearted... But it's isometric lol

[zinc plover]

isometric in retro games is always a bit frustating

[nimble maple]

Good thing my song is a a a a a a

[crude terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/ocarina-of-time-the-legend-of-zelda-hot-beat-hot-good-music-gif-23208393

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ayayay-chris-jake-beer-destroyed-gif-20740887

[red torrent]

yeah lol. ive tried some Equinox and it is really cool but my brain cant get used to the isometric

[zinc plover]

Syndicate is that way without the mouse. The SNES and Genesis games aren't great to control

[viscid garnet]

I recall Shadowrun, SNES version (like it more that MD). Game is great, control scheme is not

[zinc plover]

That one also. I always wanted to play the table top game of Shadowrun

OoT 2D has been abandoned?

[crude terrace]

Sounds like something a C&D would have taken care of if it was

[zinc plover]

I think that is what happened

[quaint cargo]

my rp2s will be here soon and im gonna do my best to finish it for the first time!! always got stuck in the water temple when i was like 6 and haven’t played in almost 20 years

[oblique egret]

I think they released a demo and got shut down hours later

[zinc plover]

I was watching a youtube video of the demo looked great.

[oblique egret]

Feels wild that some people here weren't there for Centy on gotm. Feels like yesterday

[near crypt]

Crusader of Centy won GotM in January 2022.

[oblique egret]

Bruh

Anyway the game is tedious. It's a 6/10 but even that is enough when you're the closest thing to zelda on a console without zelda

[red torrent]

Yeah that was before I was here

[silver latch]

That was when I was just getting started on GotM. I remember seeing it won and trying it, but not finishing. My first GotM game was outrun either that month or the next month

[near crypt]

OutRun won GotM in April 2022.

[silver latch]

ok, 2 months later

[red torrent]

Mine was I think September 2022? Oracle of ages

[near crypt]

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages won GotM in September 2022.

[urban temple]

Forest Temple done ||saira will always be my friend, awwwwww||

There was one golden skulldugula that I just couldn’t find, so maybe I won’t try and get them all

[nimble maple]

Nice job! I am still looking for that key lol. Maybe having the bow will help me

[urban temple]

Let me know if you want a hint

[coarse ferry]

The key that I missed was really stupid ||was on one of the trees at the beginning of the temple ||

[urban temple]

I did the same, but I needed that one to get the bow

[viscid garnet]

Was stuck literally on the same place lold

[silver latch]

Finished. Had a good time doing a run with minimal upgrades, so I actually had to try not to get hit by the last few bosses. Ended up with no deaths. I basically just got heart containers and skulltullas that weren’t out of the way and didn’t bother with most side quests

[zinc plover]

No four min eye drops?

[silver latch]

nope, combination of just wanting to plow through dungeons and wanting a little more challenge

[zinc plover]

Nice.

[brisk current]

do i really need the big wallet eventually.? or can i beat game wihtout it

im very lazy about the skultullas

[red torrent]

i think you can beat the game without it cuz i think you can get ||both tunics|| for free

[faint storm]

It's not a huge deal, honestly. But they're not hard to get

If you want to know how how to get each, ||the 200-rupee wallet is at like 10 skulltulas and the 500-rupee wallet is at like 30 skulltulas||

[red torrent]

but yeah without even trying you can probably get the first wallet pretty fast

[faint storm]

You should be able to get the first one with fairly minimal effort, and the second should come fairly naturally even if you're not scouring areas for skulltulas

Just travel through areas at night when you can, roll into the occasional tree, listen for that skittering noise, etc.

[brisk current]

I know, but it im really going mostly temple to temple with no so much exploration haha.. im already on the fire temple and have 9 Skulltulas

[faint storm]

Really? Holy shit.

Honestly I'd just get like, that one skulltula

[red torrent]

i have 70 and i havent done fire temple yet lmao (tho i did do some dungeons "ahead" of it)

[faint storm]

because it's really weird that you made it that far without even ten skulltulas tbh

Like you should come by more than ten skulltulas at that point purely by accident even if you're not looking for them

I know there's a deaf person here and if you're deaf you actually do have an excuse for not finding skulltulas on accident but if you aren't, like. wtf

are you playing with sound off

[brisk current]

Hahaha I see them but I’m not grabbing them, unless they’re literally next to me

Then I remember that to extend the wallet you needed them

[faint storm]

OK just. Grab them

[red torrent]

but yeah you clearly already got the free goron tunic then and u can get the other tunic free if you ||thaw king zora with the blue fire from the ice cavern||

but be very very very careful about like likes lmao

[brisk current]

But I think I can get everything without going to the store right, like both blue and red tunics , boots, etc.

[faint storm]

I'd give you some ideas for where to start looking, but honestly most areas have a handful of skulltulas to get. If you did a bit of backtracking you'd probably get 30 pretty quickly

I mean, you've got the blue and red tunics, right?

[red torrent]

yeah just dont get like liked and lose the tunics lol

[brisk current]

Yeah

[red torrent]

idk if u need them after their respective dungeons i guess??? i forget if ganons tower uses them

[brisk current]

Oh yeah the like likes eat those tunics and shields right

[red torrent]

yeah

[faint storm]

Also, I learned a thing, for people using the right stick as C-buttons

[red torrent]

if u kill them fast enough after they'll drop them again tho

[faint storm]

Because I had huge issues with accidentally hitting the wrong C-button

turn up your dead zone

I doubled the dead zone area in Harkinian's settings and clicked the button to use stick dead zones when using the stick as C-buttons

[red torrent]

and like likes cant eat ||mirror shield||

[faint storm]

huge and immediate improvement

[silver latch]

TIL like likes can eat tunics

[red torrent]

yeah makes sense. i just prefer not to use c-stick as c buttons tho tbh. putting two on the face buttons one as a shoulder makes sense, i usually use whatever my current ranged weapon is on the shoulder

[faint storm]

Honestly? Super-legit. If I were sane, I'd do that and just relearn how to use them. The ocarina might be the hard part to relearn tho

Oh wait, I can actually just play the ocarina with the D-pad

[red torrent]

yeah

occasionally i get confused about which item i have on which button and accidentally waste a bomb or something but its been no big deal

[faint storm]

Hmm, considering what to do with my shield

I actually find it easier to hit triggers than bumpers and have gotten lazy about keeping myself accustomed to bumpers since my Dark Souls days

I'd probably put the item on the right trigger, so I could put the shield on the right bumper or I could... not

[red torrent]

i have shield and target on the triggers, and an item and navi/first person on bumpers

[faint storm]

Hmm.

Honestly, I might do shield on bumper because shooting on right trigger feels a bit more intuitive

[red torrent]

i dont shield that often tho cuz ive been running ||biggorons sword|| for most of the game lol

[faint storm]

but I've been using the right trigger for my shield all this time, so there might be some relearning

See, I just got Biggoron's Sword

[red torrent]

i got it before i did any of the adult dungeons lol

[faint storm]

I'm just starting the Fire Temple (I did Water Temple first)

[red torrent]

just to see if i could

[faint storm]

Wait, you can get it without the longshot?

[red torrent]

yeah

you can use epona to jump the gap to get to gerudo valley

[urban temple]

I was the same until I put the items I consistently did that with (say bombs) on the d-pad. Helps a lot for me at least

[faint storm]

See I didn't even get Epona until after the Forest Temple

I really should have gotten her sooner because I was traipsing around the field on foot a lot

[red torrent]

yeah i have played this game enough to go for epona first hting. idk tho ive been liking this game more than i did last time i played it for whatever reason lol. idk i had it in my head that it didnt hold up that well cuz i was remembering the janky bits but the overall experience is still really good

[faint storm]

...oh right, if I bind target and shield unevenly then it'll fuck up menu navigation. shit

[red torrent]

ohhhh yeah actually lol

[faint storm]

it's been like 20 years since I last played it, so I didn't actually remember how to get Epona

I did eventually figure it out, but not until after I'd already wandered around a lot and did the first temple

Also I would not have thought to run Epona across a canyon

[red torrent]

i think my last playthrough was actually master quest but i did the main quest probably 10 or so years ago, maybe a bit more. after i got my 3ds but it was al ittle after launch

[faint storm]

ngl, Biggoron's Sword would've made the Water Temple boss marginally less of a cock waffle

might've made some bubbles a bit less of a pain too

[red torrent]

biggorons sword makes some of the bosses too easy lol. spirit temple boss even took like two cycles

[faint storm]

also Biggoron's Sword lets you ||just go lol when Ganon knocks the Master Sword away||

(I do remember that part)

[red torrent]

yeah lol. it makes ||dark link|| really easy too

he might have been kinda tough for you without that or ||hammer||

[faint storm]

I used ||the bow for Dark Link||

[red torrent]

right yeah i forgot that works too

[faint storm]

||He doesn't defend himself against the bow well at all||

mmf. Making bumpers things I have to keep a finger on all the time makes my grip feel weird

[red torrent]

but yeah idk the sense of scale in this game for the time is kind of crazy for a full 3d game. its a huge world and its generally pretty fun to navigate (tho hyrule field is boring). i think before i got deeper down the retro gaming rabithole i didnt realise how crazy this game was at the time lol cuz i was too young to really remember it new

but compared to other stuff coming out around the same time the size and scope of the world stands out, and the freedom (even if game progression itself is semi-linear at least)

[silver latch]

||the hammer|| works well enough for ||dark link and ganon|| I thought. The boss fights were longer than I remembered this time since I didn't get the ||big goron sword||, but honestly, they felt more like boss fights that way

[silver latch]

I picked this one up day one, and you are right. It was mind blowing. I remember reading that it took more than a "game day" to run across the world and having to confirm that myself. Nowadays hyrule field being empty feels a bit weird, but at the time it was really novel to have that much freedom, even if there wasn't much to do

[red torrent]

yeah i dont really like any of the boss fights in this game anyway tho lol so im down to make them shorter. except ||barinade|| is kinda cool for how early in the game he is i guess? feels like a bit of a "shit's getting real" moment. and ||phantom ganon|| has cool mood. MM has wayyyyy better bosses

oh yeah i remember ||bongo bongo|| being fun too but i havent done that yet

[silver latch]

Once you know how to handle them, they're all really easy. But I do remember having a big sense of satisfaction figuring out how to beat ||phantom ganon|| and ||twinrova|| the first time

[faint storm]

All right, remapped my C button stuff to make space for my right stick to aim (and take gyro input)

just plucked a fire keese out of the air without Z-targeting

this gyro shit is great

[red torrent]

yeah lol

[faint storm]

took a little bit to set up but nice

[red torrent]

im playing on android so it was easy, just had to turn down the sens a little. but yeah that was a big thing i remember liking from the 3ds version lol

[faint storm]

this would've been nice at the shooting galleries, but let's be real, their difficulty was calibrated around aiming with the stick

[red torrent]

yeah they are pathetic with gyro lol

[faint storm]

I'm on Steam Deck so unfortunately it doesn't seem to natively take the gyro input; you have to map the gyro to something

and I couldn't map it to the camera stick as long as I was using the C stick for items

[red torrent]

yeah im playing on rp3+ where i cant turn off draw distance or else hyrule field drops frames lol so there's tradeoffs

[odd wedge]

Just wrapped up || spirit temple. Boy, it was an absolute cakewalk. Really disappointing after shadow temple was so strong. ||

[faint storm]

I feel lame for not having done this sooner

[red torrent]

yeah i felt the same lol. my last playthrough was master quest and i know that was way harder than the original but i was still expecting more from the original

it was kinda nuts in master quest iirc

[odd wedge]

It felt like the ||light puzzles|| got used maybe twice through the whole dungeon? I know the main gimmick is going ||back and forth through time|| but I was expecting more, especially since it's the last proper dungeon. Ah well, onto ||Ganon trials||

[red torrent]

its a common theory that it and ||shadow temple|| got swapped late in development. and really you can do them both in either order anyway

[silver latch]

I like the feel of the spirit temple, but it is VERY straightforward

[red torrent]

yeah the vibe is cool. and again the masterquest version is super tough iirc

[coarse ferry]

The boss door placement is stupid

[red torrent]

and feels better for its position in the game

[odd wedge]

I guess they didn't want to do the ||dark, gritty shadow temple then straight to Ganon's castle, since it's kinda samey||

[silver latch]

except for maybe ||the enemies that have to be burned, but since you can use the fire arrows on them, they are extra easy instead of a challenging puzzle||

[silver latch]

I don't remember ever having trouble with that

[coarse ferry]

Well you have that one when you are a child

[red torrent]

all the ||magic arrows|| are so underbaked in this game. they course corrected on that in majoras mask lol

[coarse ferry]

Not trouble just if you fall down or need to restock stuff you have to run all the way back up through the temple

Light arrows make you rich

[red torrent]

if u arent already rich by then what are u doing tho lol

[coarse ferry]

Fishing ?

[odd wedge]

In SoH, you can make ||Ice Arrows|| into ||Blue fire arrows||, and ||light arrows|| into ||Sunlight arrows||, which still isn't helpful, unless you're doing a randomizer and don't have bottles or ||Mirror Shield||

[coarse ferry]

Well that’s just cheating

[odd wedge]

But by the time you get any of the original items, the dual usage is pointless lol

[red torrent]

i might try randomizer again after this lol. tried it a few years ago and realised i dont know the game well enough but 100%ing it now i might have a better feel for it. tho i still dont fully understand the logic and i feel like its got to be pretty complicated lol

i had an alttp randomizer phase a few years ago and learning to read the seeds was an important skill

[wheat eagle]

if you play glitchless logic and put some basic restrictions it's not that bad to start

and soh gives you a list of checks (probably easier to do this on desktop though)

[timber fractal]

Eastward is like if Zelda and Earthbound had a deformed baby. If you want to play a good Zelda-like, I always strongly recommend CrossCode, that game is very underrated.

[odd wedge]

Randomizers are fun to watch, not sure if I would ever want to spend the time learning everything there is though.

[crude shale]

is it possible to patch an n64 rom with ship of harkinian

[wheat eagle]

from following mayorice's playthrough, it sounds like the redux romhack has many of the same qol changes

[zinc plover]

@forest walrus played it

[red torrent]

oot redux lets u do most of SoHs qol improvements

[crude shale]

radical

[red torrent]

but u cant get 60fps lol. what hardware are u planning to play on? soh on android has pretty low requirements i think

[crude shale]

was hoping to do 353 vs on jelOS

[red torrent]

oh yeah fair then

[crude shale]

so OOT redux would be my best bet

[nimble maple]

Got that one early .

But at least one key is still missing lol.

[faint storm]

I had the exact same problem

I think I said earlier at one point that, like... I'm not sure if the design is good or not but it was clever

because when you give up and save and quit, ||you restart right in the same room as the key you probably missed||, which is kinda wild

[red torrent]

yeah. hopefully ship of harkinian ends up in portmaster eventually tho lol

[forest walrus]

There's a way to cheese the Water Temple boss, just FYI.

[faint storm]

In retrospect, what was it?

[forest walrus]

||You can keep using the Hookshot to keep the ball thing stunned, then get it into a corner while you move around it so that you're facing the corner before you start slashing it, that way it'll be stuck in the corner while you keep slashing it because it won't be able to retreat, allowing you to defeat the boss incredibly fast||

[zinc plover]

water temple boss is the worse so far to me. The temple wasn't so bad. You don't have to use the boots all the time. You can just drive if you have the lunker or whatere it's called.

[red torrent]

yeah gold scale comes in clutch there (and like only there lmao its such a weird item to even exist??)

once again majoras mask improved on underwater gameplay so so much and then the 3ds version backslid on that lmao for some reason. its like they set out with MM to fix some of the bigger issues with oot and then they set out with the 3ds version to unfix them

[zinc plover]

You can get a 1/4 heart piece also if you know where to look.

[red torrent]

if its the ||zora fountain|| one cant u also just use iron boots for that

oh u mean the ||lab|| one yeah i got that im dumb

[zinc plover]

Two if I am remembering

[faint storm]

all right, I'm missing something but oh god what

||Fire Temple. The start of the Fire Temple. You know what I'm talking about||

[zinc plover]

This

At lease SoH makes the game not so dark looking, easy to see in the water.

[zinc plover]

are you going out of order?

[forest walrus]

||I remember freeing a Goron in the upper left corner of the room at the start of the Fire Temple 🤔||

[zinc plover]

I notice that all temples if you work ||counter clock wise|| you will not get stuck that much. Only done Wood, Fire and Water so far.

[faint storm]

||I've already done Forest Temple. I did Water Temple before Fire Temple but that's not the issue here||

[faint storm]

I'll keep this in mind

[faint storm]

||OK, if it's the one I'm thinking of, they have to be freed from the other side?||

OK, I see what I was doing wrong now

||apparently using the Song of Time to open the path to the gold skulltula/Like-Like/poltergeist floor tile room also blocks off another path||

[red torrent]

yeah i had forgotten how much the main game uses ||song of time blocks|| lol i remember them being way more common in master quest

[zinc plover]

yeah it is used a lot. This is my frist play throught

Majora's Mask has Redux hack also

[red torrent]

how are u liking it btw? i know milkwalker bailed lol but u seem into it at least

[zinc plover]

I like it . Milk bailes fast on most games

[red torrent]

fair lol

[zinc plover]

The annoying parts have worn off.

[red torrent]

yeah idk the annoying parts bothered me more last time i played it but ive learned to kind of apprecaite a level of annoyance in games. some of my previous "annoyance" is just the game punishing me for fucking up

[zinc plover]

Yeah, having to watch up top all the time gets annoying. When I was doing the eye drops. I couldn’t get off the horse. Wasted like 15 seconds

[red torrent]

yeah fair. i didnt find any of the trade sequence too taxing tho. i think eyedrops maybe took me two tries

[zinc plover]

I got it with like 5 seconds left.

[minor python]

Guys I just got the silver gauntlets. How many hours left if I don't chase extra stuff?

[forest walrus]

That's Spirit Temple, right?

[red torrent]

like 1 probably if that's your last medallion

[forest walrus]

Yeah, if you just have Ganon's Castle left (or whatever it's called) then I'd say 60-90 minutes.

I had some difficulty with the fire room in Ganon's Castle.

[odd wedge]

Just wrapped up, what a game! Never beat it all the through, but glad I did. Probably won't go for 100%, but I really enjoyed my time with it. Hope the SoH team get Majora's Mask done soon, I'm eager to try it out!

[forest walrus]

Congrats! 🎉🥳

Majora's Mask is memorable, but personally I'm really looking forward to playing OoT Master Quest at some point. c:

[torn fulcrum]

IVE SPENT 5 HOURS TRYING TO CATCH THIS FISH

OR ANY FISH OVER 13 POUNDS

Credit where credit is due: This may be the hardest video game challenge I've ever faced

[cursive rover]

Is there any logical reason why adult link would be unable to hold a literal stick

[forest walrus]

I'm pretty sure SoH and Redux make it super easy to catch the big fish.

As long as you know where the biggest fish are located, then you can just continue resetting the fish locations by exiting and re-entering the fishing pond area until you succeed in catching it.

[brisk current]

Oh Water Temple …. We meet again, after 22 years…

(Nightmares begin…)

As a Kid it took me a month to beat this, no tutorials or anything. Just every night after school losing myself trying to find the solution to the puzzle

[forest walrus]

Good luck. c: 🤞

[torn fulcrum]

Yeah, but its costing me arm and a leg

[faint storm]

I got the gold scale and then barely even used it because SoH makes it so easy to just turn your iron boots on and off with a little D-pad press

[minor python]

We did it gang. Full life crew. I was racing all over trying to find out which I missed and it was of course, the bombchus

[minor python]

I actually finished OoT. It was a good time, except for the camera, which was dog shit.

[zinc plover]

just hit Z button a lot.

[minor python]

If I hit the Z button one more time I'll go into a coma.

[forest walrus]

Congrats! 🎉

[urban temple]

With you make the traditional cartoon “zzzzzzzz” when you do?

[oblique egret]

The expected rp4 trigger failure has hit

I have to remap everything it's frying my brain

[zinc plover]

RIP trigger

[minor python]

Exactly.

[copper crane]

Water temple down

[minor python]

Was it easy or difficult

[copper crane]

eh... I never look forward to it. I'll just say that.

I remembered the part that normally catches me so it wasn't as bad as it normally is for me :P

[faint storm]

So, Iron Knuckles.

||How do you all like to fight them? Actually engage with evasion and swordplay, or just fling bombs at their slow ass?||

[forest walrus]

Those spiky silver balls that turn into stones?

[faint storm]

||the big armored things with axes in the Spirit Temple||

[forest walrus]

Ooohh

[wheat eagle]

backflip + jump attack. a friend tried to tell me a more efficient way to fight them at one point but I couldn't be bothered 😛

[forest walrus]

Yep, backflips and jump attacks.

[faint storm]

that's kinda what I did yeah

[minor python]

Back flip + poke attack for me

But biggoron makes most fights simple af

Poke poke poke

[faint storm]

Yeah, it has a lot of reach. I wasn't expecting the bigass sword to be as safe as it is

But it seems like sometimes the reach alone is better than a shield, let alone the raw power

[forest walrus]

The ||crouch stab|| is really powerful too, just FYI. It's a great way to quickly defeat Ganon (1st phase) and Phantom Ganon (2nd phase).

[faint storm]

But yeah, just did the (part of Spirit Temple) ||kid portion of this dungeon. When I was kid Link's age I appreciated actually having to go back to that time period. You can imagine I really liked Majora's Mask expanding on kid Link and his mechanics||

[red torrent]

yeah MM just lets kid link do everything adult link did lol. and then combined some of the items that didnt come back into the mask transformations

[cursive rover]

Finally got the boss key in water temple. That final small key forced me to cycle it all over

Finally playing through OOT I am sorta realising why I prefer either 2D Zeldas or Breath of the Wild. Here I often end up stumbling over game logic (walls being climbable, a jump being doable) that occasionally stumps my progress in dungeons.

I am having fun and yes of course this game was revolutionary back when it came out but even with the QOL of the 3ds version I feel like it has definitely aged

[zinc plover]

I like this more than BotW. But we had this conversion like yesterday. I think.

[minor python]

I think my perfect Zelda would be something like Ocarina of Time with maybe 30 percent more story interspersed between temples and dungeons.

[silver latch]

We did talk about other zeldas and zelda likes sometime recently, and for some reason I didn't think of the indie dungeon designers. Think Mario Maker, but for (off brand) zelda dungeons. I know of two that are out now (Super Dungeon Designer and Super Dungeon Maker) and one not out yet but with a demo (Quest Master). I haven't tried any of them. Curious if anyone else has?

[zinc plover]

There a lot of things that you can do outside of this. Like do you know why the spooky mask is so spooky?

I bet without google most people can't tell me why.

[minor python]

Talking to every character while wearing a specific mask just to see what they say isn't exactly my idea of good main story content. It is an interesting detail that has cool lore implications but not what I'm talking about.

[coarse ferry]

I bet without google you wouldn’t know good story content

[minor python]

Destiny 2 all over again.

[zinc plover]

I mean you talk to a couple of people, that says the mask is made of wood. You talk to the character who makes things out of wood and creepy city. As a child maybe harder to do. As adult it is a nice added feature.

[waxen minnow]

Just beat the Deku tree dungeon (on 3ds). I beat this game recently so I don't think I'm gonna keep going.

I'm like 1/3 the way through Twilight Princess HD so I think I'll just focus on that this month.

[zinc plover]

Best 3D LoZ

[waxen minnow]

I'm enjoying it so far.

[zinc plover]

I liked it

[faint storm]

||I thought it looked kind of like a ReDead but I might be full of shit||

[copper crane]

TP would be so much better without the wolf parts. Basically just easter egg hunts. My only gripe.

[silver latch]

I agree. The wolf part knocks TP out of the top tier of zelda games for me. Still a great game though

[waxen minnow]

Honestly comparing TP to OoT 3D, they have a lot of the same DNA. Like, they are very similar games and don't look terribly different.

[zinc plover]

I didn't mine the wolf parts. Like the water temple it is blown out of water.

[red torrent]

yeah i think TP was in some ways an active attempt to call back to OoT. definitely in terms of the more "mature" art style again and the structure with 3 "initial" dungeons and then something big happens and theres way more

[faint storm]

LttP also had the three early dungeons before a big shift

[red torrent]

and to recapture the kind of "epic" tone of oot.

oh yeah that's true

[waxen minnow]

I just mean TP basically takes place in the same place and time as OoT, in a way that Wind Waker doesn't.

[copper crane]

OoT wins for me but I'm sure that mostly has to do with nostalgia. Otherwise I'd say WW is next for me. I'm more of a fan of the old zelda formula. I like botw and totk well enough but I prefer OoT, WW, and TP.

[red torrent]

i really like MM but its been a while. wind waker i was never too big on

i still have to play skyward sword lol

[copper crane]

Yeah, MM is up with those as well. I can't really recommend SS lol

[red torrent]

ive heard very mixed things about it lol, mixed enough that i feel like i have to play it for myself to decide lol

but a lot of people are definitely with u on that

[copper crane]

That and Zelda 2 have to be the worst imo

[coarse ferry]

Hey guys we added QoL changes to the switch release but you have to buy our hunk of plastic for it

[red torrent]

i think spirit tracks is my least favourite

[coarse ferry]

Oh and the game is full price again too

[coarse ferry]

Nah phantom hour glass was the worse of the two ds ones

[copper crane]

yeah, spirit tracks wasn't great.

I think phantom hour glass was OK but I get why someone wouldn't like it

[zinc plover]

I kind of like it for some strange reason. I also like Zelda 2 a lot.

[red torrent]

i liked phantom hourglass more. didnt mind the ocean temple or whatever as much as some people seem to, i liked the ship more than i liked the train

yeah i like zelda 2

im also not really that big on minish cap honestly. replayed it for goty last year and yeah its still kind of underwhelming to me

[copper crane]

game is butt

[zinc plover]

I think of Zelda 2 as a early rougelite game

[copper crane]

haha this is pretty good

it's really not that bad. Just hard and not much of a zelda game for me.

[waxen minnow]

Skyward Sword (Switch) is up next for me, after I finish TP.

[fierce lion]

Didn’t Wind Waker also have 3 initial dungeons? Most of the 3d games followed the blueprint created in ALttP

[silver latch]

I tried skyward sword on the Wii and switch and never made it to the second dungeon either time. I thought using the joystick instead of waggle controls would make it better, but I still found the sword direction stuff to be annoying. Especially the first boss I could tell what I needed to do, but couldn’t execute it.

I also like Zelda 2, even though I had to save scum a bit to beat it.

[fierce lion]

Skyward sword was very much Nintendo being Nintendo. They had a system and wanted to show off its gimmick. The motion controls definitely ruined a game I otherwise enjoyed. The switch version was a huge improvement, but the Wii’s gimmick still held it back

[red torrent]

yeah i didnt get through tp originally cuz i had the wii version and the controls were awful

didnt finish it until i played the gc version years later

[forest walrus]

When I played TP over 10 years ago it was the Wii version and I didn't have a problem with the controls. 😛

[fierce lion]

Some people like motion controls

[wheat eagle]

shadow temple done

[red torrent]

i dont mind good motion controls but when its literally just using a waggle toreplace a button press its just stupid

the motion was nice for like, the gale boomerang and stuff. but to me it made the moment to moment gameplay actively worse when they force it for swordplay without actually having the swordplay really use motion controls.

[silver latch]

I played twilight princess for the first time on the Wii with motion controls and didn't love it, but it wasn't a barrier like it was in skyward sword.

[fierce lion]

Skyward Sword was designed for the Wii. Twilight Princess was a GameCube game with some motion controls slapped on top of it

[red torrent]

yeah exactly. it showed in tp wii really hard because there was no advantage to using motion controls. there was no value add to 90% of it it was literally just mapping things that used to be button presses

[torn fulcrum]

LFG

[fleet warren]

fellas pray for me, I started the water temple

[zinc plover]

It really not that bad

[fleet warren]

it isn't but I'm an oaf that gets turned around a lot

[dark smelt]

Is there a way in SoH to make items from pots in dungeons respawn? like I die, go at it again, all the enemies are respawned but pots no longer give me health

[forest walrus]

Probably not. It's the same way in the original game.

[dark smelt]

Question 2: do shields break?

[wheat eagle]

in difficulty settings, there's an option to respawn with full health

the deku shield can burn

[forest walrus]

Shields don't break, but like Tao said, the Deku Shield can catch on fire, then you gotta buy a new one.

[dark smelt]

Thanks guys, was wondering why my shield was suddenly gone in the middle of the dungeon.

[coarse ferry]

Like likes can also eat the hyrule shield

[nimble maple]

No but at least you can make them not disappear . So you can leave them there and pick them up later

[dark smelt]

Honestly I just put on infinite health, I don't have time for it to be challenging with a deadline

[forest walrus]

All you need is a bottle with a fairy in it and you should be fine. 😛
Better yet you could Google where to get all of the empty bottles in OoT.

[oblique egret]

My RP4's second trigger is dying

I'm never getting a replacement backplate in time it's over for my streak

unless i finish on my phone or something

and that's when the decision to get a 3" phone comes back to bite me

oh wait it's fine guys

i just mapped Z to R3

it's very wrong but i need to finish

[wheat eagle]

Map Z to L1? You don’t need L anyway.

[faint storm]

I just realized that I have no memory of where the fourth bottle is

Honestly, it doesn't matter. I'm in the Final Dungeon and should just clear it and call it a day

Three fairies in bottles should be more than sufficient

actually maybe I'll bring a single blue potion just in case. I actually have to use my magic power occasionally now

[zinc plover]

Did you do the ghost hunting?

[faint storm]

||I got like 300-400 points||

||I probably don't need it enough to justify grinding out another six or seven big poes||

[zinc plover]

Probably not. Just that is the one you're missing

[faint storm]

fair enough, thanks

[urban temple]

I genuinely can’t believe you’re choosing to play a 27 hour game with infinite health just to get a GOTm point, rather than the 4 hour game which is available elsewhere

[faint storm]

this game is nowhere near hard enough to justify an infinite health cheat tbh

[urban temple]

A thousand percent this

[faint storm]

Look I'm not gonna sit here and claim I'm better than you or go on on the Sekiro Difficulty Rant, I'm just squinting a bit

[coarse ferry]

Sekiro

[faint storm]

also, about the owl

||is the owl Rauru||

||I don't know why I get that Vibe||

[urban temple]

Ooooooohhhhh

[coarse ferry]

Spell owl backwards that will give you a hint

Or maybe ||rauru backwards||

[urban temple]

https://tenor.com/view/legado-del-fantasma-raul-mendoza-santos-escobar-joaquin-wilde-rey-mysterio-gif-13553269924500446286

[coarse ferry]

But I think it’s implied

[dark smelt]

If you mean Way of the Samurai, I'm playing that too. And I'm not playing it for the point, Ocarina that is. I'm playing it, because it's a classic and I want to experience it, not drop it after 2h. Even if Zelda games perhaps are not for me, I'm clueless in them, I need a guide, and I find a number of design choices to be super annoying, this is my first 3D one, and I at least want to complete it (even with cheats) before I decide to drop the series completely.
As a player, I just hate repeating stuff, that why grind based games are not for me. So playing this outside gotm, I'd probably reach a dungeon, made an attempt, die, quit. Try again the next day. I would have beaten in, but in 30 days I don't have time to waste 15 days on a single dungeon, and I'm not gonna force a bad time on myself because some nintendo brains decided to not give you any more hearts from the pots after you fail once to make it cHaLleNgInG... fun > challenge every day

[wheat eagle]

Play your own way. Everyone has different preferences for how much enhancement retro games should have.

[faint storm]

You are not wrong

[urban temple]

I dunno man, applying infinite Heath cheats seems over the line of “everyone plays their own way” to me, but also I’m one dude in a community, I’m not a rule maker

[faint storm]

Also final battle intro ||I actually kinda dig that Ganon is just playing the organ waiting for us because he wants a dramatic intro||

||Like it straddles the line between dramatic and silly in a fun way||

[forest walrus]

Why not just use Zelda Dungeon's walkthrough instead of using infinite health? At least that way you'd get a more accurate experience. 🤷

[urban temple]

GOTm specifies which versions of a game are acceptable, it’s not a case of “whatever version I play it’s playing my own way”

GOTm specifies which endings are acceptable it’s not a case of “whatever ending I feel is acceptable is acceptable”

cheats feel like that to me, beyond “do as you please”

[urban temple]

I think the big supprise here is that you consider oot a “grind based game”

[forest walrus]

Using Zelda Dungeon's walkthrough is how I played OoT the first time on 3DS 10 years ago, and I still fell in love with the game.

[wheat eagle]

Is there a rule about what emulator/remake enhancements are acceptable?

[dark smelt]

It was just random example, probably out of place in that sentence, but I guess you can grind hearts if you know what you are doing and have like 10 instead 4 that I had

[urban temple]

Up to the admin’s discretion. We had to pitch the base version of SoH to rapid for approval, for example

For Metroid prime we has to check that both the Wii and switch were eligible - again as an example

[wheat eagle]

I personally agree that OoT doesn't need an infinite life cheat and I'd tell mddk that it doesn't take very long to learn the combat system.

but I also see that save states are commonly accepted (many folks were hesitant to play SoH because it does not have working save states) and to me there's little difference between save scumming and emulator cheats/hacks

[forest walrus]

It has pictures and everything. 😛
https://www.zeldadungeon.net/ocarina-of-time-walkthrough/inside-the-great-deku-tree/

[dark smelt]

Idk man, if I put the same amount of time for completion that you do, or even more cause I'm clueless, then why does it matter, do I have to have a bad time for it to count, or should I drop work or smth, its virtually the same as using save states

[urban temple]

So this is point I was making. Version eligibility is down to an admin decision not a “but I put the same amount of time in” member decision - shouldn’t this be the same

[wheat eagle]

if rapid rules that save states and cheats are not allowed, I'll abide by it. but it did not seem to be the common practice in the community

like people openly talk about using save states and cheats

[urban plank]

Guys, so GC version is okay?

[wheat eagle]

not just this game, a bunch of them

[oblique egret]

there's no chance of a rule like that because how the hell would you enforce it

play how you want

if you find it fun

So i still have the final temple and final castle to do on two broken triggers

[zinc plover]

Enjoy the games the way you want. I don’t have enough keys to get through these gates.

[forest walrus]

At least with save states you still have to actually put in effort to defeat the enemies in the game.
For example, there's a Heart Piece in the volcano that you can get as a kid, but you have to be quick enough to get it before you die. Infinite health completely eliminates any danger there, thus making that otherwise memorable moment forgettable.
With infinite health, the game boils down to figuring out puzzles and collecting Heart Pieces and Gold Skulltulas.

[oblique egret]

i need a better mapping

[forest walrus]

Yep

[zinc plover]

RIP RP4

[urban temple]

I think assuming save states and cheats are one and the same is not a good reflection on how this community views save states and cheats

[oblique egret]

anybody knows how to reset the setting windows positions on SoH Android ?

[oblique egret]

It's fine, i'm in the shipping window to get a free backplate

just two weeks of untracked shipping to wait

[urban plank]

Gamecube version is okay?

[urban temple]

100% ok

[wheat eagle]

I have not been here that long so could you explain the difference?

[zinc plover]

Yes just not the master quest

[urban plank]

Thanks guys, I'm outta your hairs

Just play however you want, that's my piece. Freedom is needed for fun to be gained

[faint storm]

I've been playing SoH and it's great. Save states have been unnecessary. I feel like the real benefit of save states in emulation is dealing with games that are very punitive and difficulty-padded, like a lot of NES games, or games that experimented with weird shit regarding saves like Way of the Samurai deleting your save upon load but also having nonsense like ||the smith not announcing his price upfront and then attacking you if you can't pay the price he never told you about||

Ocarina of Time is a game that is not difficulty-padded and doesn't do weird shit with its saves like that. I might actually describe it as early modern game design, in that it represented a transition from difficulty padding to... well... its content can be a bit padded at times if you're doing side stuff

[wheat eagle]

I am playing SoH too. I also generally avoid save states and cheats in any game I play. I'm just trying to understand better what is considered acceptable.

in a vacuum, I would say "play however you want. I don't think it's fun to infinite health your way to the end, but that's not for me to decide."

but that's not the message I'm hearing so I'm asking

[oblique egret]

if you play before the month start an assassination team is dispatched

[faint storm]

That's fair. And I understand where you're coming from. But I'm more accepting of save states with difficulty-padded stuff because we're busy adults who aren't in a situation that's like, "you just spent $100 (relative to today dollars) on a game and without difficulty padding it'd be thirty minutes and then you have to bug your parents to spend another $100 on something new"

[oblique egret]

anything else is ok

[faint storm]

Unless you spent $300 buying a copy of some rare game off eBay and want to really play it the way it was meant to be played bullshit difficulty padding and all, in which case, like, yeah I totally understand why you'd want to raw-dog that one

I do make a good-faith effort to engage with a game on its own terms first, though. But once it gets to the point that it's like, this is getting to be a gauntlet of nonsense, I'm more willing to switch to save states

[forest walrus]

Save states are fine, but infinite health with OoT? I don't really see the point. It's a pretty easy game and it's made even easier with save states and walkthroughs.

[faint storm]

(like Batman. I had a week for that and had other stuff to do and couldn't spend all the extra time mastering its patterns to the point that I could execute a gauntlet of difficult patterns with low room for error)

[wheat eagle]

"don't see the point" and "against the spirit of the rules" are different though

[faint storm]

That's true and it's why I squint a bit rather than jumping down someone's throat about it

[coarse ferry]

I play on easy mode when possible

[urban temple]

I would call it “against the spirit of completing a game” rather than the spirit of the rules- but there’s every chance that’s just semantics

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-we-are-not-the-same-im-not-like-you-im-different-lucifer-morningstar-gif-16846506

[urban temple]

Playing on easy is to me “Completing a game as designed”
Cheats are to me “not completing the game as designed”

[coarse ferry]

Hence the we are not the same meme

[urban temple]

Sorry missed the relevance, my bad

[coarse ferry]

But yeah I guess it goes back to the definition of what is a cheat

Because like SoH has a lot of QoL cheats

But something like infinite health would affect HOW you play the game

[urban temple]

But what do the QOL improvements “cheat”? Shortened animations, keyboard shortcuts and improved textures and frame rates shouldn’t meet anyone’s definitions of cheats

(Just like save states and fast forward on every other game)

[zinc plover]

We still having this conversation?

[urban temple]

Infinite Heath on the other hand meets the very definition of “an actual cheat”

[coarse ferry]

Good way to rank up

But like said, you have to have an agreed upon definition for “cheat”

Modification of game code would classify SoH QoL as cheats

[zinc plover]

Here are the rules I follow, #🔮│gotm-discussion message

[urban temple]

This post contains no actual rules

[wheat eagle]

SoH has an enhancements menu and a cheats menu. But I'm sure some of the enhancements would be considered cheats by some.

[zinc plover]

Play the games complete them. Then get a point. Super simple and easy to follow.

[coarse ferry]

In the end, if you have a screenshot of the ending credits with your timestamp, it counts. Well unless you Kevin yourself through discussion

[brisk current]

But isn’t allow to cheat on gotm if it’s not like “skipping” levels?

[urban temple]

I disagree, I think people are clear what is an enhancement and what is a cheat unless they are trolling tbh

[brisk current]

Like, on plataformers I always use infinite lives

[urban temple]

Wut

Really?

[brisk current]

Can’t keep using and running out of continues every time lol

Or rpgs I usually do double xp

[coarse ferry]

It’s the same as using save states if you die, just lessens the time

[forest walrus]

It depends on the platformer for me.

[brisk current]

Depending, if it’s an easy one nope. But if it’s ninja gaiden

[coarse ferry]

Eh can’t get behind double xp

[brisk current]

Yes

[coarse ferry]

But I’ll use speed up

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[zinc plover]

Everyone play the way that is enjoyable. All that matters

[coarse ferry]

No

Play it so we have discussion

[zinc plover]

We don't need a ton of rules.

[wheat eagle]

there's an enhancement to remove the rng in dampe's graveyard dig. I'm pretty sure someone told me that was cheating earlier.

[coarse ferry]

Like live a live sucks for me but I’ll finish it so I can say how much it sucks

[urban temple]

I mean I kinda think that’s cheating

[wheat eagle]

hence my point

[urban temple]

What is rng anyway

[zinc plover]

this too. but this is less than 10% of people playing

[coarse ferry]

True

I’ll just save state before dampe digs and reload

[wheat eagle]

dampe has a 10% chance to dig up a piece of heart. it costs rupees to play.

[coarse ferry]

Same outcome as the enhancement

Just longer road

[urban temple]

My point is that we know that’s cheating, unless you are saying you look at that and go “nope the menu says enhancements and I have no self determination” (or are trolling)

[zinc plover]

cost me 700.

[wheat eagle]

I do not think that's cheating

if that's cheating then save stating is also cheating

[coarse ferry]

Cost me nothing because I skipped it

Who needs all the heart pieces

[urban temple]

That’s a terrible straw man argument

[wheat eagle]

how is it straw man? you can get the same result from save stating as you can from clicking the checkbox in the menu

it's apples to apples

[coarse ferry]

Have to have an agreed upon definition of cheat. Not a straw man really

[urban temple]

You can get the same result from neither

[coarse ferry]

Just everyone is saying one thing

[brisk current]

If we go to technicality, even save states are cheating

[zinc plover]

I have this disease where I like to 100% n64 games. If Donkey Kong 64 wins I am a dead man

[coarse ferry]

Only if defined

[coarse ferry]

Rip

[urban temple]

But we aren’t going technically. We are all adults who understand what cheating is, unless people are literally saying they can’t see infinite health as “a cheat”

[coarse ferry]

Well that’s why rpgotq is nice because for the 100% retro achievements points you can’t have this is this cheating discourse

[zinc plover]

100% agree with this statement

[zinc plover]

100%

[faint storm]

right so

this is a dumb argument that isn't worth anyone's time

you're allowed to have your own opinion on it but I don't see how it's worth arguing about

[zinc plover]

how is the final boss going

[faint storm]

I posted my completion screenshot already

[zinc plover]

Oh shit. Your final thoughts on the game overall?

[faint storm]

Also a note on the final boss if he seems to have absurd health, especially if you're using the Biggoron's Sword: ||I think he might have a mechanic where you can't finish off his final hit point with the Biggoron's Sword or other items, because I wailed and wailed and wailed and then when I thought "maybe I'm supposed to switch to the Master Sword" he went down in just one more hit||

[faint storm]

I mean, it's a decent game. I had the controversial opinion that it wasn't The Best Game Ever back when it came out, and I still think that's true.

I don't regret replaying it, though I probably could have done without spending as much time exploring like I'm inclined to do and just, like, finishing the game instead

Ship of Harkinian was an absolutely massive upgrade tho

Kind of makes me want to replay Majora's Mask, which I actually liked better aside from it being shorter, but I might wait for the Ship of Harkinian port

[coarse ferry]

Yeah for the final boss ||last hit had to be master sword|| big horn can’t seal shit in the spirit realm

[urban temple]

The fact the port is going to be called 2 ship 2 harkinian makes me ridiculously happy

[faint storm]

Like I would not have objected to Majora's Mask having more meat on its bones, but it was in general a better game than Ocarina of Time IMO

I liked that Majora's Mask was in a lot of ways a much more personal and character-driven game than Ocarina of Time was

Also I liked the way it turned Zelda in a horror direction. That was actually pretty great

[coarse ferry]

The real horror in OoT was the controls

[urban temple]

I hated the Resident Evil controls much more than the oot controls

[faint storm]

But like, Majora's Mask also represented an early break from the Zelda formula. Not mechanically like we saw in A Link Between Worlds or Breath of the Wild, but narratively, being effectively a side story about Link's life and adventures after being the Hero of Time and also about all the people he meets

[coarse ferry]

That was Zelda 2

[faint storm]

I feel like its expansion on child Link's mechanics also really expresses how he was forced to grow up too fast and can't actually go back to being a child even if he got all those years back chronologically and biologically

He has adult Link's mechanics because he's been forced to grow up too soon and this is not reversible

[zinc plover]

I feel like I spend a look of time just looking at the top of screen to see when I can. Get off the horse, Climb a block, push a block, pick something up, attack.

[faint storm]

I can spoiler tag some of this shit but I don't think it's really spoilers for MM so much as stuff that naturally follows from it being a direct sequel featuring Child Link + basic game premise stuff

You know, I guess Link's Awakening also had that narrative departure, though I feel like Majora's Mask was a more mature and developed take on it

[coarse ferry]

That was Twilight Princess

[faint storm]

I mean both Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess can be that

I might even suggest that Majora's Mask prototyped more character- and narrative-focused Zelda a bit

Though I actually did think the Werewolf Link thing was cool and a more interesting take on the whole "people lose their shape and take on different forms in the dark world-thing" than LttP

[coarse ferry]

And then we got botw with Soulslike level of story

Meaning hardly any

[urban temple]

I found tears a significant story improvement on breath, so yeah

[wheat eagle]

Sacred stones? Imprisoning War??

[faint storm]

I'm starting to notice the sort of progression and descent of various ideas in the Zelda series and how a lot of later things were expansions on earlier ideas that weren't really explored previously or were piloted in side stories (I still think Majora's Mask did very well with the stuff it piloted and was a surprisingly developed take for the first big go-round with more character-/narrative-driven Zelda)

(especially given the ridiculous time crunch to basically make a new game out of OoT's assets)

Weren't they given like nine months to make Majora's Mask?

Honestly it's a shame it was just over the line for the late 90s category because I feel like it fits the theme for the month way better than OoT does. Like it is spot on in executing the theme even before its resort to time travel mechanics

[wheat eagle]

They were released 2 years apart. That doesn’t seem like too short except by Nintendo’s standards.

[faint storm]

Yeah but I'm not sure when they started development

I could have misheard tho

[odd wedge]

I think the goal was a 1-year gap between OoT and MM, but they delayed it once they had a decent idea going

[faint storm]

Oh, OK

Yeah they had a very good idea going. It kicked ass

[zinc plover]

I thought Link is dead in MM. I never played just internet theory

[coarse ferry]

Tears only problem besides performance was that botw came out first

[red torrent]

originally master quest was going to be a lot bigger and more fleshed out so I think that might have cut into mm dev time too

Master quest was supposed to be an n64dd expansion

[coarse ferry]

Hence why we got cows in Jabu

“Oh crap we are running out of time…..add the cows”

[red torrent]

But yeah it was supposed to actually have new areas and stuff

Including adding a dungeon for the light medallion iirc

[faint storm]

I just had a full-blown Fridge Moment about how completely fucked up Majora's Mask is and how completely fucked up Link's childhood is

Like it's very good, but it is also dealing with some real fucked-up shit

[coarse ferry]

“Fridge moment?”

[faint storm]

That moment where you realize something that was implied but not explicit or entirely obvious, like when you go to get something out of the fridge and you're still thinking about a thing and then it hits you

[coarse ferry]

Link is the same from OoT. He’s already pretty messed up

Like Rauru just pierces his ear for no reason when he’s sleeping those 7 years

And he an orphan

Ostracized by the koriki

[red torrent]

Yeah no wonder he just kinda fucks off from Hyrule after

[coarse ferry]

Everyone he loves ||gets saged ||

[coarse ferry]

Can’t blame him

[zinc plover]

Link loves?

[faint storm]

Yeah. The game doesn't directly dig into how he's traumatized out of his gourd, but I feel like the much darker tone of Majora's Mask in general might actually be a reflection of how Link feels

[coarse ferry]

He has a choice to accept marriage in game

[faint storm]

||it even reflects his loneliness in the loneliness of the Skull Kid||

[coarse ferry]

I think you are trying to hard to link link

But maybe

He does go screw hyrule to find the annoying fairy

[red torrent]

Majora's mask is fucked cuz every positive thing u do just gets undone when you loop

[zinc plover]

I said no. Didn't want to do The Shape of Water story line

[faint storm]

I mean he also gets asked to marry Malon

[coarse ferry]

Oh god the movie flashbacks

[faint storm]

I feel like if he stayed in Hyrule, going to work at the Lon Lon Ranch and probably marrying Malon when he grows up is, like, legitimately an option here

Especially considering he actually does get Epona before leaving

But he's been turned into someone who would not know how to live a normal life if it bit him in the ass

[coarse ferry]

Nothing a red potion can’t fix

[faint storm]

But like, I get it. Even if there are people who still care about him or opportunities he has, he's been completely alienated

Like Saria is still his friend and all, but he can't go back to the way things were for Reasons

That and the whole thing where he has this big transformative experience that if he tries to tell anyone about it they would put him in an asylum

[nimble maple]

It’s not even really more challenging without it . It just needs you to take the time to go get all your hearts and fill your bottles with fairies every time you die .

[faint storm]

At least Epona is still there for him

[coarse ferry]

Nah skull kid takes that too

[faint storm]

Oh god dammit.

[coarse ferry]

Less than 5 minutes in

[zinc plover]

Horse meat is tasty

[coarse ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-smash-nom-nom-hungry-gif-13378667

[faint storm]

||I could've sworn you got Epona back in MM but I must be misremembering because this was over 20 years ago||

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-never-ending-story-atreyu-artax-horse-pulling-gif-24720988

did this fuck you up as a kid?

[faint storm]

I don't remember it, so I might not have watched that movie

Or I might not remember it

I have a kind of weirdly shaky memory of a lot of my childhood

Aside from, like, this feeling of malaise. Might be blocking some stuff out

[zinc plover]

You might be younger than 36 also

[nimble maple]

I brought him a spirit and he says he’ll just give me 10 rupees for it . I understand I need to find better spirits but I still think this guy is a jerk .

[faint storm]

No, I'm 37

[coarse ferry]

You the hero of time?

[faint storm]

no just a trauma case

[zinc plover]

You have to find the bigger ones

It is very annoying

[coarse ferry]

And pointless

[faint storm]

Sometimes you'll see really big Poes spawn in Hyrule Field and run away from you. You have to chase after them on your horse and do horseback archery at them

[nimble maple]

I don’t know in my perspective it’s the opposite . The experience is to explore the dungeon and solve the puzzles, not to grind hearts and fairies .

[faint storm]

You need like ten of them to get that thing from the ghost shop merchant that thinks Link is cute

I forgot how Link needs a snowplow to clear bachelorettes out of his driveway in the morning in this game

[coarse ferry]

Fairy boy got game

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-go-away-poke-stick-shoo-gif-16704781

[forest walrus]

The whole package is the experience. If you're going to use infinite health then you might as well play a game that you enjoy enough NOT to cheese your way through the whole thing.

[nimble maple]

I don’t understand why infinite hearts would be a worse cheat than others

[faint storm]

This continues to be a dumb argument

Just squint and move on

[coarse ferry]

Every one has different eyes though. Your squint is not my squint

[faint storm]

it's actually a tiny bit fucked up when you factor in the "child in an adult's body" thing

though girls seem to have a thing for him even when he's younger, too. (girls his age, at least, thank goodness)

[zinc plover]

Who is your ideal match for Link in this game?

[coarse ferry]

Nabooru though

[faint storm]

Hmm. Malon, though Ruto could also work if The Shape of Water was your kind of movie

he's already kinda-sorta engaged

[coarse ferry]

Happy Mask Salesman

[nimble maple]

Yeah The community would just died if there was such a strict rule. Or people would just be lying .

[red torrent]

you may not like it but this is what peak male physique looks like

[faint storm]

I feel like going back to Lon Lon Ranch might be his best shot at a semi-normal kind of life, but if he can't do that, I feel like Ruto will like, figure something out for him. He might not like it, but she will probably put something in front of him and be like "this is what you're doing"

[zinc plover]

Ruto is too forceful. I feel like I would be in school for 12 years trying to be a DR.

[faint storm]

It depends upon whether this is what he needs at this point yeah

Also whether he's into fish women I guess

[coarse ferry]

Bird people?

[nimble maple]

It is a so true though.

[faint storm]

I am not shipping him with the goddamn owl.

[zinc plover]

Or if he is into nudist

[coarse ferry]

He’s always been there for him though

Did you want me to repeat that?

[faint storm]

Only when he's a kid. We don't want to go down this road

[coarse ferry]

Nah it’s implied the owl is ||Rauru||

Looked out for him for 7 years

Gave him an earring

[faint storm]

I got that impression in a really vague kind of way, but how was it implied? Just that?

[coarse ferry]

That’s love

[faint storm]

I am going to come to your house and eat all of your fucking pasta

[coarse ferry]

It’s a gossip stone

[zinc plover]

good I hate that shit

[faint storm]

I didn't talk to all the gossip stones so I could absolutely have missed something

[nimble maple]

Yeah it’s weird that everyone went after mddk because he decided to use a cheat . I think we should encourage everyone to share their experience without being afraid of the reactions .

[coarse ferry]

|| They say that the owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage."||

[faint storm]

Ahh that makes sense

[coarse ferry]

Robbing the cradle though after death in that case

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-4206910866563313498

[faint storm]

But yeah. I think we've sorted out at this point that Link has, like, opportunities open to him, but it's still very understandable how he is just... completely alienated

he doesn't completely lack outs but it makes perfect sense that he feels pretty fucked

[coarse ferry]

Except by the gorons

Got a blood brother and his son

[faint storm]

I suppose there's that. He's still Darunia's brother

I don't think he'd take well to a mineral diet tho

[coarse ferry]

And a big ass Goron that works for him for 7 years

[zinc plover]

I still like to think he ends up with the chicken lady. Helping her becasuse she gets bumps if she touches them.

[faint storm]

Also belatedly

Nabooru was incredibly weird but not in a way I found sinister. I didn't detect a wolf-whistle reaction until she saw him all grown up

No she was weird in a ||"she sees this random kid in a temple in the middle of a desert armed to the teeth and her first impulse is to try to play him for the silver gauntlets not realizing he is Serious Business"|| kind of way

[nimble maple]

Totally true. Like I had a hard time with the slingshot minigame which cost 20 rupees. I knew I’ll have to redo it many times. I could have save states if I was emulating the regular version . But since I am playing soh I just enables infinite rupees. Same result .

[faint storm]

you already basically have infinite rupees in this game

though admittedly like, not all at once

but seriously like. wtf did Nabooru think Link was doing there

do you think ||kids just randomly wander into temples in the middle of the desert armed with a sword and shield and heavy explosives and magic spells and shit||

[coarse ferry]

Yes

[faint storm]

I suppose rogues can technically make Wisdom their dump stat

[zinc plover]

Minus the heavy explosives this was something I did from around 8-10. Not Dungeons but mine shafts.

[coarse ferry]

In the middle of a desert ？

[red torrent]

you had a sword and shield????? And magic spells????

[zinc plover]

A knife from the kitchen and a garbage can lid. No magic but a Crystal my aunt me told had “powers”

We also had a big ass dog that looked like a wolf. Named Timber. For protection. The 80s were wild for latchkey kids.

[faint storm]

We can't have latchkey kids anymore because the parents all move to suburbia and if your kids leave the house outside of an SUV that is a small battletank they will get run over

sad

[urban temple]

Ok the fire temple was nowhere near as annoying as the Forest temple (read “more linear”)

Now at the zora river trying to work out what I need to do (don’t need help, yet)

[zinc plover]

I have a couple of adult friends now that do similar things. Visiting ghost towns, messing around in old mines and panning for gold on the American River.

[nimble maple]

My point is that using a guide is the same thing. You could say : why not play a game that you enjoy enough not to use a guide ?

[zinc plover]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-a-dead-horse-silly-saying-quote-gif-5837915

[red torrent]

Somehow I'm kinda lost in it lmao I think I just missed a door. I don't have the compass yet and I feel like I should by now

[urban temple]

In which one?

[red torrent]

Fire

[urban temple]

Dm me where you are and I can help

[nimble maple]

Yeah you basically have unlimited everything . You just have to go back to a spot with pots or grass to refill . That’s why I think putting infinite cheats is basically just a time saver in this game (though I personally don’t use them except for specific cases)

[red torrent]

Yeah I might after work lol. Its probably something dumb. Im pretty far in, I did the ||scarecrow song|| bit and freed most of the gorons

But I don't have the ||hammer|| yet

[nimble maple]

Thanks for the good news ! I am heading to the fire temple right now

[urban temple]

You think putting infinite health is just a time saver?

[nimble maple]

Yes pretty much

[red torrent]

Mostly yeah. Game is pretty easy. Maybe if u don't do any heart pieces or get the non-mandatory bottles you might actually die

[urban temple]

Which was the last new room that you got into?

[red torrent]

Idk I'll DM after work lol

[urban temple]

So if there’s no threat of dying, why put on infinate health

[nimble maple]

I do die a lot !

But that doesn’t mean it’s challenging . I could always just backup and refill my hearts

I think the challenge is mostly to solve puzzles

[red torrent]

I haven't died yet but I've been going for 100% and doing things somewhat out of order so I have been OP for a lot of the dungeons. And I have used a couple fairies

[nimble maple]

You’re very good

[red torrent]

I've had ||biggorons sword|| for every adult dungeon lol that helps

[forest walrus]

Because it still requires effort.
It's not equivalent to basically making yourself invincible and blowing through the game. That makes playing the game utterly pointless except for experiencing the story.

[zinc plover]

Did you? Play for the|| blue fire?||

[red torrent]

yeah lol. I had the money

[zinc plover]

I didn't even know what it was for.

[nimble maple]

I think it’s patience more than efforts

[nimble maple]

And the story is a masterpiece so I think it worths it

(Just to be clear : I don’t use the infinite health cheat personally but I won’t hesitate to use it at some point if backtracking to fill my fairy bottles take too much time )

[silver latch]

IIRC I think I completely missed the compass in the fire temple.

[forest walrus]

I love OoT and even I don't think the story is anywhere close to being a masterpiece, lol. There's some memorable characters and a very basic story.

[red torrent]

Yeah I remember missing the compass in at least one previous playthrough too lol but I'm going for 100% so it would be nice to have

[zinc plover]

What's everyone's favorite part of the game. I really enjoying the side quest and the deep lore you can get .

[forest walrus]

"there's a bad guy who wants to rule the world and there's a device that will allow him to do that, so you have to stop him! DUN DUN DUUUHH!!"

[wheat eagle]

Hook shot. Favorite Zelda item. Botw should’ve had it.

[zinc plover]

I hate the hook shot doesn't work on refill hearts

[red torrent]

botw should have let u use magnesis like the OoS magnet gloves

the magnet gloves are one of my fav Zelda items they are so fun to use, wish they showed up in another game

[forest walrus]

If you just want to experience the story you can watch a walkthrough, or probably find a YT video with all of OoT's cutscenes. Save yourself a significant amount of time.

[zinc plover]

Botw should of had unique dungeons

[oblique egret]

It did

But your gripes with botw are a deader horse than the cheat debate

[zinc plover]

Bow down to Nintendo they do no wrong. lol

[oblique egret]

Annnnnd strawmaning again

[faint storm]

They do plenty of wrong, but trying something different with BotW wasn't "wrong" so much as "some people didn't like it" (they're allowed to not like it)

[urban temple]

Right, water temple,

[faint storm]

Water Temple with the OG game requiring you to open the menu to switch your boots absolutely was one of Nintendo's many sins tho

[zinc plover]

I get that. I am also able to not like the game. Like anyone can cheat in many ways if they want to.

[oblique egret]

And people are allowed to like it

[zinc plover]

Never said anyone was wrong for liking it.

[oblique egret]

But every time you get the slightest pushback on anything you just huff that you can't criticize Nintendo or something

[zinc plover]

It a fucking joke. Don't take it so serious.

[coarse ferry]

Pretty sure that would destroy a heart

Like high speed stabbing

[zinc plover]

I just wish it work in the way the boomerang worked for collection of them.

[nimble maple]

Yeah you’re right not a masterpiece per se . But it’s a masterpiece to experience; with the passage of time and everything .

[nimble maple]

Doesn’t have a long reach though

[silver latch]

I think the vibes are still masterful. The story itself is pretty generic

[nimble maple]

Watching a game feels so wrong to me lol. If I want just a story I read a book or watch a movie. What I mean by a good video game story is more about the way you live it. I just like being link and exploring hyrule, meeting the characters, etc.

[nimble maple]

Yeah the vibe is what I am talking about. The story itself is not something I care about in video games .

(So story was not the right word, sorry mayo!)

[faint storm]

This might be one of the reasons I liked Majora's Mask a lot more tbh

[fleet warren]

well the username checks out for this kind of behavior

[nimble maple]

If the map shows an arrow on kokoriko village it means that I should be doing something there right ?

[fleet warren]

nope, you don't get objective guidance through the map

Navi is the only direct help you get, sometimes NPCs can share some info that's helpful but most of the time it's flavor text

[zinc plover]

The red arrow is where you entered the map at

[silver latch]

the dots on the world map can give you a general sense of what to do next, but there can be multiple ones pulsing. I think there might also be cases where that is the location of the next big thing, but maybe there is a pre-req that needs to be done first? I'm not 100% sure on that

[zinc plover]

I forget about the menu map. I should look at that one more.

[nimble maple]

Yeah I am talking about the menu map .

[coarse ferry]

Unless you are on 3ds then you get a worthless blue dot n he world map

[nimble maple]

The arrow can’t be where I entered the map since it remains over kokoriko no matter where I am on the world map

[coarse ferry]

That means you can go multiple places

Have something you need to do there

[nimble maple]

But what about that arrow

[coarse ferry]

That may be the location you are in

[nimble maple]

It’s not .

[forest walrus]

What language is that? 😛

[crude terrace]

french

[zinc plover]

French

I am too late

[coarse ferry]

From Reddit

@nimble maple e you

Side quest marker

[nimble maple]

Thank you so much !! That’s very intriguing .

It’s about that sleeping guy right ?

[brisk current]

Man this water temple is giving me nightmares again

Im completely lost haha

[silver latch]

Best general advice I can give short of giving a guide is to be methodical
-find the three places where you can change the water level
-start on the lowest level, and explore everything you can get to
-then move the water level up and explore everything you can get to again.
If you're still having trouble, here are a couple potential spoilery hints : ||when the water is at the second level, don't be hasty to move the water up to the top level. Explore the middle level, and also re-explore the bottom level||
If that doesn't help, a guide might be the best bet

[red torrent]

Pay attention during the water raising cutscene, and also pay attention to things you can't do when the water is high

[wheat eagle]

finished up spirit temple. I think forest and fire remain my top two dungeons.

[silver latch]

I might actually like water better than forest. I think a lot of it has to do with the music, but I also felt like I fumbled my way through the forest temple and had to backtrack a bit

[red torrent]

Yeah forest and fire are peak. Spirit is worse than I remembered

I think because I was remembering the master quest version which is much more climactic

[wheat eagle]

It feels like they were worried about making spirit too complicated because of the dual child/adult part of it but then just ended up making kind of a boring dungeon.

[zinc plover]

Best water temple advice I can give is ||work counter clock wires for the rooms.||

[urban temple]

I hated that so much.

[urban temple]

As someone currently in the water temple, this is not good news for me

[wheat eagle]

Shadow and spirit are more straightforward. They’re not bad. Just less interesting.

[red torrent]

shadow is more about atmosphere but idk it's not that exciting gameplay wise. And not different enough from ||bottom of the well||

[faint storm]

I think they're supposed to be thematically connected, like one is an extension of the other

[minor python]

To me that's just one big temple.

[red torrent]

yeah I wish they just set it up like ||spirit temple||

[brisk current]

Thanks for all the tips

This actually helped me getting started 🙂

[wheat eagle]

just posted my completion shot. SoH says total playtime is just over 16 hours. that's with collecting about 70 skulltulas.

[nimble maple]

What I’m at 18 hours at fire temple and 25 skultullas lol

[red torrent]

im 20 hours at fire temple 70 skulltulas

but ive done two of the main dungeons you're "supposed" to do after fire temple too.

[fleet warren]

I'm around 11 hour in and at the end of the Water Temple

[brisk current]

Im at the water temple with 14 skulltullas hahaha

I just got pass 10 to get the extra wallet

And like 8 or 9 hearts haha

[fleet warren]

10 is what I just go for to make sure I can get supplies when I need em

[urban temple]

Where does SoH record your playtime?

[oblique egret]

Isn't it shown on the file selection screen?

[torn fulcrum]

Yea

Still one of the saddest moments in all movies

The horse is intelligent enough to understand despair and not only that, but despair so great that its only option is to give up

[urban temple]

AH yes, thanks

[wheat eagle]

Play time is also in Enhancements -> Gameplay Stats. That also has stuff like enemies killed and a timeline of when you obtained key items.

[forest walrus]

Dampe's Grave Digging mini-game, Heart Piece on the 1st try. c:

(Master Quest Redux)

[urban temple]

Same. I actually assumed it happened to everyone until some people complained here

[viscid garnet]

Yep, got it on the first try too. Btw, had found a way to complete a ||race|| without longshot. Extremely easy but very cheat-y thing, ||warp song timer glitch||

[forest walrus]

Good to know. c:

[urban temple]

So I’m in the water temple at 16 1/2 hours. Checks out

[red torrent]

you can also just do it without longshot by being fast lol it wasnt that hard. sidejump the corners and roll whenever you move forward and you'll get it

[nimble maple]

What’s the difference between play time and total time ?

[urban temple]

Maybe the pause menu?

[nimble maple]

That makes sense. It would explain why my total time is that huge . Sometimes I just leave the game open on pause while I do other things

[forest walrus]

The nightmare begins again. 😱

[nimble maple]

I am not heavy enough for this switch . So I figure maybe if I jump from very high into it it will do the trick. Try 20 times and finally nail it with one heart and a half left. And then realize that was not the solution lol.

[forest walrus]

XD

lol yeah you never have to do that, just FYI

[nimble maple]

Feeling so smart and suddenly feeling so stupid

[viscid garnet]

Oh boy, Water Temple is coming. Hopefully I could remember steps from the guide... Or just use the guide, I don't wanna bother with frustration to do it from scratch if messed up

[urban temple]

Whoever designed that room at the bottom of the water temple is a total sadist. Whoever brought ||dark link|| into the game with no narrative is foolish

[fierce lion]

I got here today too. I’m not sure if I want to deal with it today

[nimble maple]

I should really stop breaking all the wood boxes as soon as I enter an area . It’s the second time that I lose an hour because of that lol

[fierce lion]

It’s not their fault you decided to keep throwing yourself off a ledge over and over

[nimble maple]

lol never said it was their fault . But throwing myself off a ledge over and over is just one of the many stupid things I tried .

[red torrent]

yeah but what if there's a skulltula in one!

[fierce lion]

Not the tiny ones

[coarse ferry]

Send help to Mayor Ice. One person can’t handle that much Zelda in such short time period

[forest walrus]

Gotta love that 4th wall break. 😛

[forest walrus]

Do you ever need to use bugs as Adult Link? Assuming you've gotten Gold Skulltulas out of every soft soil location as Child Link (except for in front of the Spirit Temple)?

[red torrent]

you can sell them to the dude who wants u to sell him shit

[forest walrus]

I like that Master Quest has some pretty clever redesigns for the dungeons considering it was just a part of a bonus disc for pre-orders of Wind Waker iirc.

They really didn't have to put in that kind of effort, but they did anyway.

[forest walrus]

Forest Temple completed in OoT Master Quest Redux. 🙂

[odd wedge]

The Tunics fit child too? I thought they were just for adult

[red torrent]

he's playing a hack

[forest walrus]

Yep, the Redux hack. 🙂

[odd wedge]

Oh duh, my bad

[forest walrus]

it's all good c:

[faint storm]

Don't forget about ||outside the Fire Temple||

[forest walrus]

I've become such a pro at OoT that not even the Master Quest version can stop me! 😜

[fierce lion]

I think Master Quest began life as Ura Zelda

[forest walrus]

Neat c:

[faint storm]

You know what I've been thinking about it more and I'm gonna be blunt

The best thing about this game is that it led to Majora's Mask

Majora's Mask slaps in all the ways this game doesn't

[wheat eagle]

best way to play MM these days? is there a MM redux?

[faint storm]

But it wouldn't have happened without OoT, and OoT still provides really important context for MM (not in the sense that OoT has that much going on storywise so much as that it's the origin of what the fuck is going on in Link's life)

[forest walrus]

Yeah there's a Redux ROM hack for Majora's Mask, which is what I've been using and I wish I would've played MM on Switch instead so I could use save states (I'm using original hardware).

[fierce lion]

Doing all of the Goron rolling without save states is such a pain

[forest walrus]

Got the Fire Temple dungeon item.

[forest walrus]

Master Quest version of the Fire Temple completed. 🙂
That was significantly tougher than the original, especially if you want to get all of the Gold Skulltulas inside, which I didn't. I already have 50+ Gold Skulltulas and I got the Heart Piece from collecting 50 of them.

[urban temple]

I just wanna check, you know the Master Quest isn’t a valid GOTM completion don’t you? 100% my bad if you’re just playing for fun

[red torrent]

he already kevined the regular one

[forest walrus]

Indeed c:

[torn fulcrum]

The baby was asleep for a solid 2 hours so I finally got through the fire temple + got the lens of truth dungeon done

[forest walrus]

Nice 🙂

[oblique egret]

I'm done. I can finally put down the rp4 with its dead triggers. Feels atrocious in the hands

[viscid garnet]

Water Temple done. Y'know, it isn't that bad. For me, ||Bottom of the Well|| and Shadow Temple feels more tedious

[forest walrus]

Congrats! 🎉🥳

Water Temple dungeon item. c:

[brisk current]

Oh man I was playing SoH on Odin 2 connected with usb c, to an external monitor . And damn battery drain fast

1 hour of Zelda game took like 50%

[forest walrus]

Not much of a spoiler, but I got the Bottom of the Well mini-dungeon item. c:

[brisk current]

Omg finally

I got the long shot of water temple

So rewarding hahahaha

I was this close to open the tutorial lol

[forest walrus]

Congrats 🙂

[forest walrus]

Famous froggies. :3

[nimble maple]

Finally made it to the boss of fire temple . Those temples are pretty challenging, no wonder that it took me weeks to clear them back in the days!

[red torrent]

Yeah there's a big leap up after the first 3 dungeons. Mostly in a good way tho

Something I like about oot dungeons is that they are almost all very vertical. Feels like they use 3d space really well even compared to some later games. Like they were saying "this is what we couldn't do before"

Most of them would be hard to translate to 2d

Them trying to do water temple in 3d is what led to OoA Jabu Jabu lol

[forest walrus]

I got some more of that sweet, sweet Great Fairy magic. :3

[forest walrus]

Shadow Temple dungeon item. 🙂

[faint storm]

"sacred feet"

[forest walrus]

Master Quest version of the Shadow Temple completed. 🙂

[nimble maple]

You are beating the game twice faster that I will beat it once

[forest walrus]

😉

[forest walrus]

Spirit Temple dungeon item #2. 🙂

[viscid garnet]

Shadow Temple done. Hopefully I'll complete the game soon, because it starts feeling like a chore

[forest walrus]

I got 100% completion in the original version, and now I'm about to beat the Master Quest version (and I've even collected most things in Master Quest, though I'm not going for 100% this time) in the same month.
Feeling like a chore? HAH!