Powkiddy Rgb20sx: the vertical '30

[unkempt ridge]

especially the price

[serene bobcat]

I'm excited to see g99 replace the t618 tbh

[unkempt ridge]

Aldocube makes g99 tablets for 130 bucks

i have one. it's great

blows away the t618

[serene bobcat]

I'm not a huge ps2/gc guy so efficiency and price matter more to me than d900 or above performance

[unkempt ridge]

really you're not going to play much ps2 until you have a Dimensity

but the helio is great with psp

[serene bobcat]

if we can start getting affordable android handhelds in various form factors (pocketable widescreen, 1:1 arcade handheld, maybe a 6 button sega/n64 handheld) with g99s instead of t618 I'm happy

[unkempt ridge]

retro pixel pocket was a bummer man

t618s are getting harder to get so you'll either get a 610 or 810 if they have a unisoc deal or a helio with a mediatek deal

i think the 710 is available but it's really just an updooted 618

like they added an extra gig of ram or something

2 more a75 cores

2 *fewer a55 cores

[haughty tendon]

the t820 is a nice place for ps2 performance

a lot runs at 1.5x

[unkempt ridge]

i have high hopes for where unisoc goes

because mediatek is showing off packages that are starting to rival current gen samsung

which is not something anyone's done\

[haughty tendon]

do they have a flagship higher than the t820?

[unkempt ridge]

The Tanggula T820 i think is the newest

this series replaced the tiger

(T6xx and T700/710)

Unisoc isnt bad, but they have shitty partnership deals and their support is iffy

The G99 comes super close to the t820, but the t820 scores maybe 20% better in some stuff

This one gives it to the T820 and its probably accurate: https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/unisoc-t820-vs-mediatek-helio-g99

the good news is that we're at that time of year where rockchip might reduce prices on the rk3588

Right now I can order 1000 RK3588s for a price of about $100 each

alibaba has it cheaper than mass distribution at about half that price

[serene bobcat]

my pie in the sky wishlist would be for the rk3588s to make its way into an a13 successor

[unkempt ridge]

so we're still talking $50 just for the cpu

soc

also unrelated, but i just learned that the guy who runs CNX software lives in Chiang mai

[jaunty ermine]

so $200+ devices only?

[unkempt ridge]

until they can fix that price yeah

i put in 1000 units and the answer was $104 but when i did 10k it only went down to $100

but over on alibaba it shows 40-50 usd

[jaunty ermine]

They must be thriving on some big contracts to keep the price that high for this long

[unkempt ridge]

We can call them and beg. Rockchip's number is 0086-591-83991906

[unkempt ridge]

Medical devices

[haughty tendon]

I'm not a fan of the rk3588 (from my experience of gameforce)

[unkempt ridge]

usually you would use something like the 3588 in a process intensive application that needs high precision

[haughty tendon]

it gets hot

[unkempt ridge]

yeah they get hot

i think the 3588 is tweaked for machine vision as well

[jaunty ermine]

Might be a good chip for car infotainments systems also

[unkempt ridge]

so not signboards or anything, but really critical type devices

[unkempt ridge]

you'd probably go mediatek for this

they are dirt cheap

or like even an actions cpu would be fine

for car infotainment, you want basic processing that can decode video

and dirt cheap price

My GF's factory makes the android/apple car play things. I can ask her what they use

probably some proprietary realtime bullshit

(this is the limit of my knowledge. More than this im speculating)

[remote talon]

are powkiddy gonna throw their hat in the 2.8 inch ring? or are they just gonna sell the MagicX one?

[jaunty ermine]

Please don't call it the 2.8 inch ring

[unkempt ridge]

unclear.

[unkempt ridge]

The squared circle, if you will

I say this for the fact that in 1998, Anbernic threw Miyoo off Hell in a cell, and plummeted 16 inches through the announcer's table!

[jaunty ermine]

The 2.8 inch arena sounds funny, like some bug wrestling setup

[unkempt ridge]

anyway, 20sx. it's kinda nice. I was going to do a new card and tkae it out tomorrow for testing

it supports rocknix out of the box and i've been very serious in asking them to actually include the team, so some of them shoudl have them today or soon

trust me though, pk knows exactly what the community does for them. It's not lost on them at all.

Anbernic is another story

but they dumped me

maybe not. my anbernic rep was just useless. maybe i dumped her

[jaunty ermine]

I'm sure all these company's know what impact the community has, acknowledging it is something completely different

[unkempt ridge]

It initially took miyoo by surprise and data frog was NOTTTTT ready for their popularity

[jaunty ermine]

Yeah, good move on Miyoo getting the A30 devices out to the onion devs early

[unkempt ridge]

dude the a30 has been sitting around for years

i think miyoo is still mad at me

who knows why

[jaunty ermine]

It strikes me as a side project, like they've had the hardware configured for over a year but there's more software tweaks to be made

[unkempt ridge]

Like 2 or 3 years now

they were "working on the final design" before they leaked the p60

6 months into the miyoo mini og

like right when they did v2.5 with the shitty screens, they told me about the A30 (but it didnt have that name)

[lavish spire]

What led to the delay?

[unkempt ridge]

the a30 was supposed to be out before the mm+

[unkempt ridge]

no idea, but probably the lack of screens

they were using blackberry deadstock

those screens were amazing

[remote talon]

yeah the screen on miyoo mini v2 is unreal

[unkempt ridge]

there's a new one they are all going to use now. the anbernic and miyoo will vary in terms of white balance but not much else

[jaunty ermine]

Explains the rotation issue

[unkempt ridge]

dude rotated screens are cool now didnt you hear?

[jaunty ermine]

Even Valve is using them!

[unkempt ridge]

i got a Chuwi Minibook X. the screen is by default rotated

that laptop btw i recommend if you want a 10 inch

it's amazing

the n100 performs marginally better than an i5-6th gen

here's this. non affiliate link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006504952422.html

[lavish spire]

That's wild for the price

[unkempt ridge]

I got one of these for $210 but the price just shot up

my hand to god

[lavish spire]

Daaamn

[unkempt ridge]

its goddamn amazing

[lavish spire]

Thanks for the heads up, gonna be on the lookout, currently on a win max 2020 (laptop wise) & it's a pain sometimes

[unkempt ridge]

yeah man good luck. the resolution is a little cramped. at 100% scale i cant read shit

otherwise its great

[zenith lotus]

Shit, I’m dreaming someone gets a dumb idea to put an iPad 4:3 screen into an N100 tablet/laptop

[unkempt ridge]

thats basically what this is

its 1920x1200

[zenith lotus]

Wait, is it 4:3?

[unkempt ridge]

color isn't super great

[cinder needle]

https://tenor.com/view/daffy-duck-looney-tunes-waiting-im-waiting-gif-17075836

[unkempt ridge]

well it's 16:10

[zenith lotus]

Yeah, that’s kinda key

[unkempt ridge]

anyway thats it for me today. enjoy guys

[zenith lotus]

If it were 4:3, I’d get one to play old RPGs and as a DOSbox machine

[unkempt ridge]

gonna watch this dude clown on your old linksys router: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_kBbu4Ov48

[unkempt ridge]

can confirm it runs dosbox great but scaling is fucked up still

full screen centers and displays native but you can run 3x

like normal3x

its a great dosbox laptop

It's a vibe. I dont know how to describe it. Even MacOS Classic looks great but sheepshaver runs like shit on the n100

[cinder needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowKiddy/comments/1cebe1g/rgb20sx_is_here

We have confirmation of arkos booting

[manic birch]

Yessss

That's awesome

[icy dock]

I don't have it yet

[cinder needle]

I don't need you anymore

[unkempt ridge]

also confirming i just took the cards out of my rgb30 and it fired jelos right up

actually going to sleep now. good luck for those of you who get one today. please post feedback if you have it

[manic jasper]

Mine left california this morning. Should get it monday or tuesday 🤞🏻

[brisk tangle]

Would this be a decent upgrade to the regular rgb20s?

[remote talon]

maybe? layout/ergo looks a little wonky. chip is an upgrade, screen is nice. im just kinda questioning why you would get this over rgb30 i guess unless you really want vertical (which a lot of people do so this should sell well at least)

maybe how squished the controls are will make the ergo better than 353v? stretch between sticks and shoulders seems smaller at least

[brisk tangle]

I actually like the rgb20s/r35s layout. Sticks on top keep the thumbs from cramping

[remote talon]

yeah. sticks look close to the shoulders at least tho but maybe thats just the taller screen making it look that way?

[brisk tangle]

Yeah I think ill pass on this. Was looking to swap my ogs for another pocket vertical since the TSP is in my collection now

[remote talon]

i think this screen makes it more of a 2d-first device tho so i understand having dpad top

[brisk tangle]

I can see that. No long sessions of phantasy star portable or god eater with this layout

[remote talon]

yeah. i wonder if maybe it would be better without the sticks, going full poor man's analog pocket. screen shines for gb and if you're team integer scaling its great for nes/snes too i think? im personally team 4:3 lol but the resolution is still higher for that than any 4:3 screen.

but yeah knowing what u like in yr handhelds i dont think this seems like one for you lol. you like to push the higher end stuff and i think this and rgb30 are more for making the low-end stuff look really good

[brisk tangle]

it's a good thing Data Frog is still selling the r35s. cool then, i'll be preparing my next marketplace entry

[remote talon]

yeah i think this will be decent but i dont think its for you specifically lol

[unkempt ridge]

Yeah this one isn't for everyone. I will say that screen real estate is SHOCKING even having the rgb30

In vertical format that open space on the sides makes it look just fucking massive

(I'll get better shots of it later)

[manic birch]

yeah the screen to body ratio is insane

[dim minnow]

How does it feel in hand so far?

[unkempt ridge]

It takes some getting used to. I'll have better insights in a while.

[dim minnow]

Rad
Mostly just curious as my SX Machine is on its way still

I'm probably gonna try to get some stick plugs for it

[cinder needle]

Actually very excited for this one

[dim minnow]

Joey is officially excited for the SX Machine

Confirmed

[unkempt ridge]

This screen is bright as shit boys and girls

I've been sitting here with it on level 8 thinking it's so bright and just discovered I was on 8/10

[haughty tendon]

very instagrammable, lol

[spring schooner]

lookadatblue

[grizzled jolt]

Smiley with nose

[unkempt ridge]

They are comfortable for me

[zenith lotus]

Curious, how big is it compared to a say real GBC?

[unkempt ridge]

not sure but nara told me it's almost the same size exactly as the analogue

"I just compared in photoshop" -Nara

[haughty tendon]

I didn't realise the analogue pocket was only 3.5"

[blazing stirrup]

the only difference that this one have with the rgb is the WiFi chip basically?

[compact charm]

Wonder when mine will arrive

I think in the next day or two, just got released from customs

[unkempt ridge]

Sorry my english sometimes isn't good. Can you rephrase this? I don't fully understand what you're asking. This one is different from every other device becasue it's a vertical 1:1 device. The Analogue is an FPGA device doing hardware emulation and this is using software emulation on an RK3566. Resolution on the 20sx is half of the analogue. Has wifi.

[jaunty ermine]

Yeah, the rgb30 has a better wifi chip but this device has a function button

[unkempt ridge]

FN registers on Rocknix and Jelos out of the box. The old Jelos card works fine in this one and FN registers as button 10

I burned a rocknix card for this but the card i used is probably a fake, so i'

I've wasted a day

nothing but table errors on boot

[jaunty ermine]

Sounds like it should be a quick and easy fix for ArkOS then, if anyone wishes to support the device

[unkempt ridge]

Maybe.

lol as long as they didnt send christian a yellow one hahaha

[blazing stirrup]

sorry i forgot to write the 30 after the rgb ahah

[cobalt solar]

This has a bigger battery too, 5000mAh>4100mAh.

[unkempt ridge]

ok so the old rgb30 jelos card sees FN as button 10 but the rocknix it came with doesn't register at all

[spring schooner]

what is RockNix?

[lavish spire]

It's what jelos is now

[compact charm]

Good to know. Means I can just drop in my RGB30v2 build on this.

[astral thunder]

I’m in the camp that with verticals, dual analog sticks don’t make sense. Too uncomfortable to use them on such a cramped form factor. In this case, seems as if this unit would look much better with less bezel and no sticks. 🤔

Could have been the unit i’ve been looking for that the gkd mini didn’t achieve for me.

[sullen imp]

No analog sticks and less protruding shoulders would have been golden

[unkempt ridge]

You might want to talk with spycat. Otherwise it seems like things just kind of work.

[mossy echo]

What a comparison! These 2 devices being around the same size blows my mind !! 🤯

[unkempt ridge]

naramakesgames on ig has more. We met today for a coffee it was hot as shit outside 😂

[astral thunder]

AP looks like what you would expect from a modern gameboy. The RGB20SX looks like an unholy genetic mutation

I should really reserve my judgement until I get it in hand but the more pictures of the unit I look at, the less I like what I see.

[radiant brook]

Mine is out for delivery so we'll see

Maybe I'll pull the sticks out right away

[astral thunder]

That may cause more issues without the sticks unless you solder some resistors in place

[zenith lotus]

People have done that for the RGB30, actually https://makerworld.com/en/models/403629

[radiant brook]

Yeah - I'll keep it stock for a bit. I pulled the sticks out of the 35xx h but that's running Minui so analog sticks aren't really necessary. Hopefully it feels ok leaving it as is

[compact charm]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-egg-ahah-funny-gif-gif-16611584

[serene bobcat]

I hope they do more colours of this guy

The yellow is a bit much and I really don’t like the transparent ones (not a transparent shell guy in general but the PCB shape with the holes for the sticks really bothers me here)

[dim minnow]

Why does the box look like this lmfao

[serene bobcat]

I'm kinda into it

[blazing stirrup]

why vs?

[serene bobcat]

it's two health bars with the vs like a fighting game

I wish I could actually get a beige one with red buttons like on the box though

[blazing stirrup]

i probably will wait some mod for the face buttons, can't stand the smile

[dim minnow]

Wonder what happens if I put the ArkOS card from my RGB30 into it

We know ark boots, but still 🤔

[blazing stirrup]

maybe the button of the same color of the shell? 🤷

[whole adder]

Man that's kind of cruel to give that unit a mastectomy

[serene junco]

I can't believe all the fun haters here smdh, every handheld should have a smiley face

[serene bobcat]

yeah I have no complaints about the smiley

[night kelp]

I'm really not sure I wanted this thing but seeing all these in real life pictures does make it seem kinda fun and enticing

Worried it will feel kinda top heavy though

[blazing stirrup]

sorry, cant help it, seems a boxer ready for destroy me

[serene bobcat]

5000 mAh battery in the bottom should be a counterweight

Anyone know if this does C to C charging? I’m trying to only buy properly usb C compatible stuff going forward tbh

My goal is nothing that doesn’t support usb C PD (slow charge off a usb C charger is fine, no charge is not) in my bag by sometime 2025

[cobalt solar]

I'm also curious about weight and feel, can anyone chime in?

[blazing stirrup]

trasparent button and covers for the analog

I sold my rgb30 because the trigger buttons, but i think i will buy this one once is on ali, the screen of the rgb30 was really nice

[serene bobcat]

I’m torn between this guy or the ZPG a1 unicorn tbh

Or nothing if neither is a good enough upgrade from the RGB30 I already own

[blazing stirrup]

i was interest on the zpg, but it has android

[serene bobcat]

Yeah, android makes it suck for pico 8 but the g99 makes it able to handle much more modern tate arcades based on the Naomi and atomiswave etc

Plus a touchscreen for NDS

[serene junco]

Can't do the full pico-8 console on Android?

[serene bobcat]

no, you can run the pico-8 emulators fake-08 or whatever but you can't run the real app

so no splore, usually compat is a couple pico-8 versions behind, etc

[raven quiver]

I think you can run “native” Pico 8 with Winlator on Android. Adin Walls did a video

[manic birch]

yeah you can

[serene bobcat]

THE CLASSIC COCAINE BRICK POWKIDDY PACKAGING

[radiant brook]

Powkiddy calls it orange apparently

[cinder needle]

Is one stick looking for you and one looking at you or is it the angle?

[radiant brook]

Must have been the angle

Stickers!

Have to go pick the kid up but first reactions - kind of awkward to hold?

[unkempt ridge]

my office lady gives me the side eye every t time

[unkempt ridge]

this was my reaction but after about a day it felt second nature. it's that long boi top

[radiant brook]

Definitely getting used to it. Weird situation when you have pretty much the same device in a different shape sitting right next to it

I think the buttons on this are better than the rgb30. After a few hours at least

[spice reef]

Would be really awesome If we could do this.

[astral thunder]

Rgb30 but with a narrower screen, more buttons, and left stick above dpad.

[spice reef]

I'm talking about How the NDS screens are positioned

[manic birch]

I do like that positioning a lot lol

[manic birch]

so far, what OSes boot on the SX, saw arkOS working apart froim the hotkey button?

or does the latest build of rocknix work fine

[radiant brook]

It comes with rocknix preloaded

I only used it for a second but it booted fine

[sullen imp]

It identifies as a rgb30, which makes it pretty hard to utilize the menu button by default on a multi-device image

Unless we can somehow probe for the mono speaker

[ebon zinc]

It arrived early!

[obsidian zephyr]

Waiting for some reviews then I might buy, very tempting

[manic jasper]

I have my blue transparent model being delivered tomorrow. 🤘🏻

Looks cramped af but I love the 1:1 screen so can't wait to get it in hand

[serene bobcat]

I think the tall screen makes the device look narrower than it is

It’s actually a hair wider than the rgb20s

[radiant brook]

Yep. I tried a 20s grip. No good

[night kelp]

I wish they'd release the 30 in transparent colours

[tall crane]

So are the analog sticks in the way when using the dpad and buttons?

[radiant brook]

I don't think so. I think the bigger adjustment is little grip there is at the bottom. I wish that shoulder buttons were higher I think

[whole adder]

analogue pocket beefy grip almost fits the 20sx . also thanks for arkos man what a disaster the current os it ships with is though i think it will imrpove for sure

[tall crane]

I really want it but I have a feeling it won’t feel comfortable in my hands.

[trim shoal]

This is a fucking abomination

I love it

[compact charm]

First impressions, I actually really like how this feels in the hands.

Ergos seem good to me, and the plastic feels solid

OK this is my favourite vertical at the moment

[tall crane]

I didn’t know it was android? Have you done some wizardry?

[haughty tendon]

gamma os tv edition

he's working on it

via sd card

[tall crane]

Very nice!

Do I need another handheld……. the answer is always yes!

[compact charm]

Oh forgot to mention, Gamma Core is running on eMMC on the 353 which is why it's a little faster to load stuff.

[zenith lotus]

So which frontend did you decide to use on the Core?

[compact charm]

Was originally going to use plain launcher as the primary, but will bundle it as a separate launcher, preconfigured, instead of being the primary launcher.

It works well but could do with some enhancements before making it the main launcher

[radiant brook]

It does feel pretty solid. Doesn't feel cheap or hollow in the hands

[hard surge]

oh shit, 80€ today with store discount + aliexpress coupon on aliexpress, i'm gonna order

[ebon zinc]

The 5000 mAh battery is thick

[hard surge]

ordered my cheese boy

[radiant brook]

It's hard to go back to 480p after using a nice screen

I'm still not sure how to hold it yet though

[hard surge]

is it that different from how you hold a 35xx?

[radiant brook]

The 35xx is just slightly longer on the bottom so I can comfortable grip it without pressing the shoulder buttons

It's really minor so hopefully get used to it

[hard surge]

are the shoulders really easy to press unwantedly?

like the 405v had an issue with that for example

[radiant brook]

L1 and R1 a little for me because l2/r2 are raised. It's not as bad as the 405v though

[hard surge]

it's probably fine for me then

(damn, this thing is ugly from behind)

does the yellow one has a rough plastic, or what kind of texture? comparable to the 35xx+?

[radiant brook]

It's not bad. I wouldn't choose to use the 35xx over this usually. Screen is nice

It's slicker than the 35xx + I have here

[hard surge]

hmm shame

hopefully still different from the rgb30 though

[radiant brook]

Texture wise feels the same as my rgb30 but the rgb30 feels more thin/hollow

Forgot the rgb30 has textured plastic on the corners too

Buttons are better on the sx though for me

[hard surge]

oh, hmm

the texture of the plastic is the part i dislike the most from the rgb30

still i think i like vertical better in this case, since it's for my yellow gbc nostalgia

[radiant brook]

I would describe it as having no texture at all - smooth as silk. I'm not sure how the transparent feels though

[hard surge]

i describe it (at least the rgb30) as chalky

it's like slightly sticky and powdery feeling to me

[radiant brook]

Definitely don't feel that here but feel in hand is so hard to judge

[hard surge]

although i describe the odin 2 the same way and i don't dislike that

[fair moss]

Just arrived 😬😬😬

Look at those happy faces

[hard surge]

btw why is this still in rumor mill? lol

[fair moss]

This is the first vertical i can see me using. Its actually quite comfy and the screen is so nice 😬

[hard surge]

i guess it doesn't come with screen protectors?

my experience with this screen is that it's the smudgiest thing ever

[fair moss]

I have some RGB30 ones. That will work fine. They are matte effect

Shoulders are super rattly though, more than any other handheld i have owned

[hard surge]

i have a couple leftovers i think, since i had ordered a 3 pack from mr shield

although the rgb30 ones were really form fitting, but this has slightly bigger bezels so it should fit okay still

[fair moss]

Should still be fine i imagine. More a case of lining things up ok

I really hope someone figures out a mod for the rattle in the shoulders. This is defiantly not usable when the wife is trying to sleep 😂

[hard surge]

ohh, so it's the transparent ones that have a different feeling plastic

well crap

[grizzled vale]

These pics making me grab one just to put it on display shelf

[fair moss]

Aside from shoulder rattle, going to go out on a limb and say its the nicest feeling powkiddy i have held.

And i usually only like horizontal devices

[hard surge]

nice

[obsidian zephyr]

How are the face buttons and d-pad?

[fair moss]

Both very nice 👍 not sure what else i can say. Feels about same as RGB30 ones. Which i already liked a lot.

[radiant brook]

I think the plastic of the buttons feels different from the rgb30. Like softer? Hard to describe

[manic birch]

this

@river comet that device is shipping to people, guess it's time to pop it out of rumor mill?

[fair moss]

The whole thing feels much softer. The case is very nice in the hand. I agree hard to describe it

[river comet]

I'm afraid I lost the ability to move channels around

[manic birch]

the hell lol

[river comet]

yeah I'm gonna need those perms back or else forum mod means nothing lol

[tranquil mulch]

Powkiddy vs EVERYBODY😤

[river comet]

then again I was just gonna rename #1152383241303625758 to include rgb20sx but can't do that either

[grizzled jolt]

What is the weight of this

[serene bobcat]

according to powkiddy it has anti-gravity features

[cinder needle]

240g

[radiant brook]

Moved the minui cards from rgb30 to the sx

Lol

[serene bobcat]

Huh

Jelos didn’t even do that in later builds

[radiant brook]

Moss is based on jelos i think so not completely surprised. Interesting that it boots fine on the rgb30 though

Weird screen issues here too

[keen echo]

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