Anbernic RG28XX

[pine marsh]

God please no

[main pollen]

huh that one does work

lmao

[pine marsh]

Weird

[desert canyon]

it seems likely, that or the weird ass mm v4 screen

[small oxide]

I have this -

[main pollen]

i have these two

both are baseus, only the one on the right works, lol

[atomic dew]

All the XX have made that claim so it should be fine

tbh, unless you only carry round a single port charger, you might as well use the spare usba port for these things anyway, not like they support anything faster than it can deliver

[brittle kraken]

personally I dont really care as I usually charge them with cable attached to usb A on a monitor hub and all powerbanks I have use A port as well

[meager sage]

I do carry around a bag with a single port usb C charger meant for a laptop that only has usb C ports so I’m trying to get away from all usb A/B stuff

(Trying to get away from lightning too - the sooner I can use usb C for literally everything the better)

[loud swallow]

[atomic dew]

this is my default stays in my bag charger

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C6LXYQS7/

[meager sage]

Can the h700 35xx plush stuff use slang/vulkan shaders?

[rustic girder]

https://a.co/d/cLh4cS6

Not that I travel with it, I had the fun of reviewing and keeping this monster

These are apparently the rumoured specs of the A30, hopefully the RG28XX will be better or have some similar specs

[brittle kraken]

It would be shocking if 28xx is not h700

[meager sage]

H700 > a33

[rustic girder]

I sure hope it is

[summer flame]

Honestly

This looks dope

Just picked up a 280m again, but this definitely would’ve been considered if released

[simple geyser]

The A30 seems way more appealing - wifi, better looks, and likely OnionOS. Hopefully Anbernic will make a 28XX+ with wifi.

[solemn ledge]

Is there any word what's under the hood on the A30 or does our info consist solely of "yep it exists"

[toxic ether]

Go ask in the A30 thread

[meager sage]

I’m worried about the ancient chip in it from a battery life and firmware stability perspective (Bsp kernel for it is 3.X lmao)

[solemn ledge]

As far as what I need/already have I think I'll get the 28xx over the A30

Between the 35xx-h and the TrimSmart I'm set on horizontals BUT hdmi out and BT makes this perfect to consolize

I would do it to the xxh but I don't feel like swapping between "console" and handheld configs because it's my daily driver

[desert canyon]

the battery concerns are real. It's a 6 watt tdp I'm reading. More than an rk3326 for less power. edit: for the a30

[solemn ledge]

That's rough 😬

[desert canyon]

h700 is 4 watts. So both chips going all out, a30 is using 50% more power

[meager sage]

For me it’s way too close to call until reviews drop and cfw appears

It might be neither if they both have big dealbreakers but for a minUI micro handheld I am definitely willing to forgo wifi and get this one if it’s a nice screen

[simple geyser]

Yeah, the ancient kernel isn't great. I wonder if there's any chance the Onion devs will manage to compile a more modern one.

I wonder if both are using the same screen. We know from the Miyoo Mini v3 shortages that 3.8" 480p screens are hard to come by.

[solemn ledge]

if the a30 has hdmi out I'll take that one instead but 28xx fills a niche I wanna fill

Also even since the patent pics I'm convinced this was my dream micro lol

[marble cove]

Both this and the A30 look great, and I don’t have a micro HH. So quite excited to start seeing these in the wild. 🎉

WiFi, BT, and HDMI out are all features I can take or leave.

(Barring some unforeseen but quite likely dealbreaking issue) It’ll probably come down to whether the CFW on the A30 is worth the power it leaves on the table compared to the 28xx.

[small oxide]

Exclusive 🔥 https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxkjILtqx_7RdOpD7YXBau2GuiQIsUyfyO

I've held a RG28XX

it should be coming soon, I can't say much else about it I'm afraid

[brittle kraken]

I hope you hammered Max Zhou that he needs to make a new rg280v

[ancient garden]

So if this is using the same firmware as the regular H700-RG35XX line, then it's interesting that they're actually adding a video player on this.

I wonder if the firmware is cross compatible with the RG35XX plus and 2024

[small oxide]

they’ve posted this lifestyle video on YT now https://youtu.be/7j9BJAN_R0E?si=XlHeEDynBmBJQkSk

[rustic spire]

Can you comment on how it feels in the hand? How it might compare to the trimui smart for example?

[small oxide]

unfortunately,I can’t but it shouldn’t be a long wait

[drifting tusk]

I recreated the 28xx+35xxh photos with the Smart for comparison.

I did the depth one too but didn’t seem as essential to include in the same shot.

[rustic girder]

Looks to be just a boxier trimui smart with bigger screen... Amazing

I'm glad I've held off buying the trimui smart the last few months, this is looking more and more like a handheld I will carry with me all the time

[rain mulch]

Could you do with trimui S?

Thinking if it's time to replace it or should I wait for S2

[meager sage]

If this is 480p that would be a huge upgrade vs the smart

[drifting tusk]

This is my hope.

[reef socket]

I'm torn. I'l have to ponder all the characteristics against my trimui smart and the a30

What's sure is that a bigger screen is a win if the sizes are as similar as they seem

Even though the smart has a special place in my heart

[rain mulch]

I have model S in this size ... and I love its formfactor

But not sure if it's worth to upgrade to either 28xx or the miyu a30

[rustic girder]

If the 28xx can handle Dreamcast and N64 and some PSP, I think it may be worth the upgrade considering you can hook it to a TV if you choose and make a portable console

I don't think the A30 has enough power although the thumb stick is nice to have

[summer flame]

The more I look at it the more I really like this design

[meager sage]

its the h700, not as good as the 3566 so definitely don't expect flawless full library n64/dc

[rain mulch]

Model S is basically my quick pickup public transport device ... so something in similar size that can do full snes could be nice

But still hoping for model s2

[meager sage]

but yeah this looks like a banger for PS1 and down RPGs

[reef socket]

the hook to a TV thing is already covered on my side with other devices. Plus I have BT controllers which won't do with it. Anyway, this thing would be a on the go thing rather than a travel thing if it makes any sense

[fringe oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-love-in-love-love-donald-duck-hearts-gif-5403261

Oh man! This is becoming a serious contender for replacing trimUI smart as daily edc

Doesn’t look much bigger

[reef socket]

Do we know the exact dimensions of this thing yet? Other than the weight?

[atomic dew]

That orange looks interesting, but it feels like one I'd find to be too obtrusive to be my daily carry, whereas a device this small would tend to be a take everywhere one

[rustic girder]

If the orange had black buttons, I'd maybe consider it but the white buttons nah

[atomic dew]

Not so far with the XX+ and H models, but they do tend to release new versions of stock for the current models about the same time as each other, last time it took about a week or more, but usually they are within a few days of each other

white buttons with that gba indigo would have been so nice

[loud swallow]

Tbh I feel like miyoo nailed the aesthetic.... But that's just me

[toxic ether]

Yep, anbernic is a pretty established company and they historically made some really good looking devices, I expect better out of them

I think their transparent versions look pretty bad compared to the competition

[meager sage]

this is where I'm at - torn between orange because I love orange and retro grey like half my existing aesthetic

[solemn ledge]

the white and purple is too clean that's probably what I'll get

[atomic dew]

even the white and purple is quite tempting with this one, but might feel a bit trimui smart

[meager sage]

white anything (shell or buttons) I'm concerned would get dirty looking on a pocket device maybe

I guess I'm basing that purely on vibes though so maybe I should just buy a white pocket handheld and find out

[atomic dew]

yeah, my grubby paws are not ideal for white devices either

[solemn ledge]

I know anecdotal evidence is weak but I bought a white TrimSmart secondhand back in like January and it's still pearly white

I use it a lot too

[stray depot]

I want to switch the shells on 3 units so that Orange has black buttons, white has white buttons and transparent black has the purple buttons

[eternal dust]

but can it beat the smart in the essential 'Survive a bomb in the Gulf War' benchmark? Only the Smart has managed to capture this aspect of the original DMG

[vapid ocean]

looks like using same cpu as rg35xx(2024), rg35xx+ and rg35xx h

but dunno screen resolution is also same or not

[eternal dust]

it most likely is, though even a 320x480 screen would be a huge improvement on what's currently available in the micro sector

[drifting tusk]

not-like-this.gif

[atomic dew]

only if you exclude the mm from that sector

[trail jungle]

I dunno, I'm kinda interested. I don't need wifi since it's just a 'waiting around while out' device, but the mm v4 screen resolution is wonky cuz I like to turn on integer scaling

[knotty quest]

I do feel like it's a bit of a dick move not to add wireless stuff into this one

You just know they'll eventually make RG28XX+ with Wi-Fi and/or BT

[meager sage]

Could wifi have caused thermal issues maybe?

In a device this small it doesn’t take a lot of heat/added power draw to cause problems

[knotty quest]

Plausible, but then again, Smart's the same size and has those

But maybe H700 draws that much more power than S3, I dunno

[simple geyser]

The A30 has wifi and a more power hungry chip.

[rich cloud]

The 3326 uses more power than the H700?

[knotty quest]

I mean, it's hard to say, most of the time when you find TDP for one of these chips, it's just what a whole SBC draws with that chip (and often you don't know which one, or what's on the SBC besides the chip)

So Gadgetversus says H700 is 4W, while RK3326/RK3566 are 5W, but that's not necessary solid info

[desert canyon]

Yes but the a30 uses an allwinner a33 that uses more than both

[rich cloud]

Is it more powerful than both too?

[brittle kraken]

a33? no its much, much weaker

its somewhere around the ballpark of Rockchip RK3126 that is in M17

[vagrant ledge]

The a33 is a 10 year old 40nm chip, afaik

[rich cloud]

Thanks!

[meager sage]

yeah I'm concerned about that guy

ancient chip, tiny shell

[wheat kelp]

I really liked the patent drawings of this device but now that it’s real something’s bugging me about it. Anyone else feel similar?

Like I feel like the front of it is just too empty or something

[rich cloud]

Buttons are too small

[wheat kelp]

That might be it

I guess maybe the chamfers or whatever in the drawings made them look bigger?

[simple geyser]

Those look like they might be the buttons from the RG Nano

[toxic ether]

it does share many design elements with the nano

[wheat kelp]

They don't seem that small to me

[toxic ether]

Yeah same

Nano is tiny

[wheat kelp]

@fathom estuary posted this, it's not a perfect comparison but shows the buttons are an in-between size

[vapid ocean]

If this is as cheap as rg35xx(2024), I'll buy this

[rustic girder]

I am liking the size of that

Hopefully its released soon

[simple geyser]

They look like the Nano buttons in that photo, but it's really hard to tell. Reusing those buttons is the only reason I can think of that Anbernic would have made them so tiny.

The A30 look like it may have the same buttons as the Mini.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123549937553121303/1227214117278842910/425745925_10161085865306737_1037917325860140195_n.png?ex=66279736&is=66152236&hm=64c910d97fc84d47adbb77aecd28f11340a565a4e81e4ef8608b586bcb4ad1af&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1328&height=1122

[quaint igloo]

Does this have wifi?

[trail jungle]

Maybe the RG28XX Plus and RG28XXV will have it 🤔

That way, Anbernic can sell us extra devices

[quaint igloo]

If it doesn’t have wifi these days I’m not buying it. Too many devices good way of limiting my purchases.

[wheat kelp]

It's not as obvious on the buttons but at least for me the D-pad is easily larger than the Nano, in between Nano and other consoles. And based on that I'd assume that they'd have some type of mid-size buttons to accompany the mid size D-pad

[simple geyser]

Let's hope so. The d-pad definitely looks bigger.

[rustic girder]

Id be curious to see how it compares in size to the original pocketgo

I imagine the A30 likely uses the same buttons or at the very least, similar ones

[solemn ledge]

Can't wait for the Anbernic RG28xx+H Max Pro 3 v4 (2025)

[foggy cipher]

This button size thing is an excellent remark IMO. I also had the feeling of something imbalanced and this is perhaps the reason. If the buttons are tiny, I'll buy an A30 instead.

[opaque glacier]

like always neither of these two are perfect. The 28xx might have tiny buttons, the A30 is lacking a headphone jack

[rustic girder]

ill take the smaller buttons on the 28xx for the added hdmi out and controller support, on top of the higher potential performance

the joystick on the miyoo is nice to have though... a mash up of both would be amazing though.

[foggy cipher]

If the A30 had USB audio, it would be OK to me.

[opaque glacier]

here's hoping it does

not having audio out is dumb

specially for an ultra portable device. it just means i'd be playing with the volume down anywhere i go

[wheat kelp]

Honestly if the first reviews are even passable I’m insta buying this thing, as goofy as the buttons or layout might be it feels like this is the handheld I’ve been waiting for

[storm dove]

Anbernic sent over the specs for the 28XX to chat about on the podcast (starts in a few minutes)

https://youtu.be/o-tqbetNMR8

[rustic girder]

Great sounding specs

[meager sage]

480p confirmed!

[rustic girder]

h700 confirmed

those 2 factors alone have me sold

[eternal dust]

Anbernic, take my money

[small oxide]

I was dying to tell you guys a few days ago 😂 especially shaun

[rustic girder]

I would literally order one immediately if they list it

@small oxide since you werent able to say much a few days ago, how does the build quality feel if youre able to discuss that now?

i havent had a plastic device from anberic since the rg350, latest plastic devices have been miyoo minis

[wheat kelp]

Curious about 480p tbh, especially since Miyoo was having such a tough time sourcing them

Potential supply issues?

[small oxide]

I’m not sure if it was a preproduction unit I had in my hands, it was working, but they didn’t let me play it. The reason I say this is because the logo and writing on the back did not look final.

it had the exact same OS as we’ve seen on RG35XX H/Plus, I asked if it had h700 and they confirmed. Also, I asked and got confirmation it was 640x480.

The plastics of the this one felt closer to the build of the RG35XX Plus to me, which I think is better than the miyoo mini plus. There’s not much in it, they are all good builds imo.

I didn’t get the impression it was powkiddy level (bad).

[rustic girder]

were the buttons clicky or soft press?

i know it may still be an early unit but only asking for curiosity

and how small did the ABXY buttons and d pad feel? keep seeing people saying they look small but figured id check on that too

[small oxide]

I have a trimui smart pro, I think they used the same on the earlier trimui smart?

the buttons are not like that, they are anbernic style but smaller

the dpad was for sure rubber, the buttons I don’t remember, but I think rubber too

[rustic girder]

perfect, softer rubber buttons feel more like the systems im used to

[small oxide]

the dpad did strike me as small, but as I said I was not able to game on it

[rustic girder]

Im used to playing on a GB Micro so, as long as theyre that size or larger, ill be just fine lol

[wheat kelp]

Were the buttons larger than RG Nano sized?

[small oxide]

I’ve not used a nano I’m afraid

[rustic girder]

@wheat kelp Are nano keys smaller than a FunKey S?

[storm dove]

Some 28XX specs:

2.83-inch IPS full viewing angle, OCA full lamination 640*480
Li-polymer battery 3100mAh, battery life 8 hours
LPDDR4 1GB
5V/1.5A, support C2C charger

[rustic girder]

those are really small lol

[small oxide]

my opinion is similar to what aish said on the podcast actually, under 3.5” has to do something special for me to use it

but from the brief feel I had it was not unusable, mainly due to being horizontal

[rustic girder]

I used to own an original PocketGo and ive wanted a similar sized emulation device ever since, this should be perfect

[wraith ravine]

186 grams? seems a little heavy for the size

[wheat kelp]

I think they are

[small oxide]

this is a typo, there’s an image floating around saying it is ~120g

it’s definitely not the same weight as RG35XX

[wraith ravine]

ah, that makes more sense

[wheat kelp]

From Reddit

[rustic girder]

based off retrosizer.com, the nano and funkey have very similar sized buttons

[wheat kelp]

Just barely a size difference lol

[rustic girder]

and that pic works better lol

I never had a problem hitting the buttons on the funkey i had, they were just too close together

they look slightly better spaced on the 28xx, hopefully they are though... and hopefully a little bigger

[wheat kelp]

Yeah I’m not really worried about the buttons at this point for my needs they’ll definitely be at worst serviceable

[small oxide]

I remember on Saturday just off the show and reading you guys chat about this and thinking - you’re gonna be happy with this one, especially shaun with the 480p screen

hearing about the battery spec from stubbs is cool as well, I think he said 3100mah

[wheat kelp]

I’m probably (maybe even definitely) in the minority but I’m kind of bummed about 480p, I was hoping to use this pretty much exclusively for GBA and not having a good resolution for integer scaling is tough for me

[small oxide]

I know it’s not ideal but the soc is not too bad so maybe it can be helped by some good filters/shaders

[wheat kelp]

Yeah. Guess it’d be worth checking on the 35XX channels/resources how GBA works on there, probably same can be done here

[rustic girder]

im definitely stoked for the 28xx

[storm dove]

yessir!

[real zephyr]

640x480 display and the H700 processor sold me on the RG28XX. I don't think we've had a horizontal micro handheld with a 640x480 display yet, have we?

[storm dove]

They just said we can't share the whole spreadsheet, but we could say it on stream and share bits in here, so that's what i've got for today. I'm sure we'll get the full details annnnyy time now!

[real zephyr]

And with that 3100 mAh battery it should get way more play time than the TrimUI Smart. The 28XX seems like a pretty ideal "always riding in your pocket" device for PS1 and below, if the shoulder buttons end up being comfy to use.

[rustic girder]

even if they arent comfy at first, im sure someone on etsy will make nicer ones within a short time

[real zephyr]

In any case, it's going to be a real tough competition between the Anbernic RG28XX and the Miyoo A30 this summer. They're both relatively the same size and have the same size and resolution screen, though the RG28XX does have a bigger battery and significantly more processing power. On the flip side, the A30 has (in my opinion at least) more attractive aesthetics, an analog stick, and the likelihood of getting OnionOS at some point. It'll be interesting getting to see which reviewers end up favoring!

[rustic girder]

just my opinion, if you need the extra systems the rg28xx offers, go for it. if you dont, go for the miyoo

maybe im wrong but thats how i am basing my decision

the r28xx also can be hooked to a tv and supports controllers so you could in theory do multi player off it as well, and it has a headphone jack if thats important

[meager sage]

I'm really worried about battery life on the a30

that SoC they're using is positively ancient

even by retro handheld standards

but yeah I hope my concerns are misplaced

a little silly the one that will play some n64/dc/saturn/psp is the one with no stick :/

[simple geyser]

Did Anbernic confirm that there's no wifi?

[real zephyr]

Agreed. Why the heck is there an analog stick on an Allwinner A33 device? All I can think of is maybe lower end arcade games or Atari 5200. I think it just irks me that Miyoo keeps going with woefully underpowered chipsets. I so wanted to like the Miyoo Mini Plus, but it just doesn't have enough power to run the highest end GBA and PS1 games full speed and I'm guessing the A30 is probably not going to be any different. Based on processing power alone I'd go with the RG28XX, just for full GBA and PS1 library coverage.

The only thing that bugs me about the 28XX is the OS options. Now that Anbernic has four small pocket friendly devices in the XX line all running the same chipset it would be really nice to see OnionOS ported to them.

[ancient garden]

Did they actually say C2C support out loud? Like, legit one instead of the hacky solutions in the older XX line?

[main pollen]

huh, good specs

starting to look like a winner

3100mah battery with c2c, 480p, headphone jack and an efficient chip on a micro handheld is really good, i don't see the lack of wifi a big deal for something meant to be portable

[queen niche]

hm... pretty tempting too

[main pollen]

i'll get it unless there's some big dealbreaker in reviews and if it feels good, replace my xxH

[storm dove]

It seems to be the case, but I don't have one in hands yet to confirm

[queen niche]

makes me kinda happy the miyoos don't seem to be showing up yet, my wallet can bleed a little less this month

[fringe oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

Unless they come out on same day

[queen niche]

i have too many handhelds i'm having my eyes on rn. this, the new powkiddy one, both miyoos, the trimui smart pro, the gkd pixel and just ordered a fpgbc

[fringe oyster]

Im closing in on about 80 handhelds, so i feel your pain 😂

[queen niche]

oh wow, it's not that wild for me yet

😅

[violet compass]

i have four

[queen niche]

i have... 8 i think?

[violet compass]

five if you count the broken 35xx plus i keep for spare parts

[queen niche]

yeah 8 if you count the steam decl

[fringe oyster]

Yeah i have problems 😅 @storm dove needs to start a AA type group

[violet compass]

technically still functions just fine but the volume buttons snapped off and it bothered me enough that i bought a replacement the night i fount out

i got a button swap out of it in any case so im happy

[queen niche]

if this turns out great and the cfw works well, i may get the orange one

i love that colourway

[real zephyr]

At this point I've got 8 handhelds and keep meaning to sell 5 of them, I just haven't quite gotten around to it yet. The only ones I'm planning on keeping are the RP4 Pro, the RP3+ as a backup in case the RP4 Pro ever goes kaput, and the V90 just because it was my first retro handheld so it's kinda special to me. It would be nice to have a really small handheld like the 28XX that could just ride everywhere in my pocket though. Maybe I'd actually start playing more of those Game of the Month games XD

[main pollen]

i have 10

damn, i thought it wasn't this many

[fringe oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-any-gif-26357631

Got that itch for new handhelds

[small oxide]

https://youtu.be/I-323uYZxR8?si=VZL6cTLAAuXogB6U

[fathom estuary]

640x480 screen

inb4 anbernic is what caused miyoo to run out of original MM screens

[fringe oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

H700 chip in this. Bonkers. Hope it has a good price

[ancient garden]

No WiFi/Bluetooth
The two units might be able to use the exact same OSes, not just same in terms of design, but down to the last binaries

[main pollen]

nice, i guess it's about to release

[fathom estuary]

its abernic, wifi and bluetooth will be in the 28XXV and 28XX plus models

separately

[quaint igloo]

No more purchasing handhelds with wifi for me. Nice way of cutting down my purchases.

[ancient garden]

Any teardown to confirm that theory?

I'm still kinda wondering why they kept saying the 35XX+/28XX supported 2.4GHz wireless joypads. Is it really only supported via the USB-C host plug?

[knotty quest]

That's code for "no Bluetooth", I think they always say that

At least they stopped saying "supports Wi-Fi" when they actually mean you can use a Wi-Fi dongle

[vapid ocean]

yeah finally revealed spec

[main pollen]

good to know the usb port isn't for charge only at least

[ancient garden]

But if it were to support anything wireless they still had to have a wireless chipset

[vapid ocean]

just as same as rg35xx(2024)

but smaller screen

[ancient garden]

RG35XX teardown doesn't indicate a wireless chipset or antennae

[knotty quest]

Nah, they just have to support external controllers. The 2.4G dongle does the rest

Notice the dongle here

[rain mulch]

reminds me i have never found neither 2.4ghz BT dongle nor WifI dongle that worked with any of my no BT devices

despite people on reddit claiming some work

[ancient garden]

Didn't RetroGameCorps do a test with Batocera on RG35XX+ where wifi dongle didn't work?

[rain mulch]

i have tried lots of these BT or Wifi dongles 😄 on Rg35xx (both garlic and stock) , 280v (various CFWs) and A13 (batocera) ... especially dongles reddit people said that work ... but never got them to work

[knotty quest]

I imagine the firmware has to support BT and Wi-Fi (have drivers, the necessary stack, menus to pair/connect to stuff)

A 2.4G (not BT) dongle would just act as if you connected a wired controller, so kinda more universal in that regard

[rustic girder]

Am I the only one who would want to potentially see a metal version of this handheld? Or I guess an RG28XXM

[rain mulch]

tbh i wouldnt mind upgraded 280v ... that thing has been with me for years and still unchallenged in usage

[fathom estuary]

was considering a 280v if i didnt get an original MM earlier this year, fortunately i did
but 28xx is a thing now

[rain mulch]

tbh i found the original MM a bit too fragile and kinda what back then pushed me to 280v (friend had one and didnt survived his kid in the long run unlike my 280v which survived though bunch of kids 😄 )

28xx could be my horizonal successor to Model S ... but heard rumours that truimui plans Model S successort so i will probably wait for now

sizewise its quite similar , probably bit bulkier and bigger screen

[reef socket]

I would not say they are similar sizewise. The model S is very very thin

Prpbably you could take 2 model s against 1 28xx

[ancient garden]

The TrimUI seems poised to be more like a "credit card" than anything else?

[rain mulch]

and thats why i like it 😄

for when 280v is too big 😄

[ancient garden]

When will a game console be the size of a nail
That thing won't be a "handheld" anymore - but rather a "handworn"

[rain mulch]

anyway i shouldnt buy more now 😄

[rustic girder]

I contemplated the trimui smart and s each for a while. The day most recently where I was going to order the smart, I discovered the RG28XX so now I'm waiting for it's release lol

[rain mulch]

but the orange 28xx is kinda calling me

[rustic girder]

I think the orange with the buttons from the transparent black would be killer looking

[rain mulch]

will just order the buttons from etsy after 😄

[rain mulch]

weirdly smart was never really a choice for me

i think its the similar problem i have with RetroidPocket 2S ... the horrible screen to device ratio

[rustic girder]

I liked it for the same reasons you like the s, I just wanted a small handheld. I own a GB Micro so I like small devices

[rain mulch]

and the screen to device ratio is also why 28xx looks so compeling

[rustic girder]

It's very reminiscent of the og pocketgo

I owned one of those and took it everywhere. The size was perfect, handled everything I wanted back then

[main pollen]

same with both devices yeah

[rustic girder]

Not my photo but shows the device

Looking specs and comparing dimensions, the RG28XX is fractions of a cm bigger in all ways but practically the same size

[real zephyr]

After playing with my V90 for a bit, which has a 3" screen but tends to shrink Genesis and Neo Geo games down to about 2.8", I think the RG28XX screen size should be totally comfortable to play on. The TrimUI Smart's 2.4" screen just seemed too small to my eyes, but this 2.8" screen size totally works. 🙂

[main pollen]

should be a much better screen than the v90s too, i had a q90 and it looked terrible

[reef socket]

the smart's screen is a bit small for text, that's right

[real zephyr]

Indeed! The V90's screen is 320x240 so the 28XX will have double the resolution.

[main pollen]

not only that but the v90 (if it's shared with the q90) is non-laminated

[real zephyr]

Odd idea, but since 2.4g controller dongles tend to be flakey I was wondering if maybe I could just use a female USB-A to male USB-C adapter to plug a wired controller like 8BitDo's wired SN30 Pro controller into the 28XX's OTG port to consolize it when using HDMI out. Anyone ever tried that on other Anbernic devices with an OTG port?

[rustic girder]

I think it should work, pretty sure I saw somewhere that wired controllers will work but don't quote me on that

Spec list shows wired will work

[real zephyr]

Guess I'll have to give it a try when I get one! If the 28XX is around $50-$60 it'll be an easy purchase for me ^_^

[main pollen]

with how many recent 35xx releases there have been, i don't think they can justify launching it at a higher price

[meager sage]

I am hopeful it’ll be 35xx 2024 tier price wise

[main pollen]

if it launches around that i'm buying one asap

[clear rampart]

Agreed

[faint lance]

It should be $50ish, and I imagine it'll drop close to 40 soon after launch

35xxh plumeted, i see similar here

[main pollen]

i hope it already starts at the correct price lol

but well, anything i can order to a pickup point that's under 60€ i'll order

[queen niche]

at such a price it would be a steal for the performance

[main pollen]

the xxh already is

with honestly more and better features

so unless that smaller screen is really expensive to source it should be cheaper

[loud swallow]

No wifi?

Oof

[unique path]

Im all in nice chip and 480p screen. Excited to try some DS on this thing

[rich cloud]

What DS games even play well on a single screen? I thought most needed that second screen

[main pollen]

you can switch between them

you can definitely play pokemon like that

[clear rampart]

And there's plenty of games that you can just use one screen with.

[desert canyon]

most strategy and rpgs

[clear rampart]

A lot of games just have a map or menu down there that you don't have to actively use.

[unique path]

Yep, planning on pokemon, advance wars, nsmb, Fire Emblem. As long as the game doesn't require touch input it should work well with a screen switch button mapped.

[clear rampart]

Castlevania Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia don't use the touchscreen for their main campaigns at all iirc. And the second screen is either just a map or a status screen of some kind.

[desert canyon]

the number of games you need to see both screens at once might be lower than the opposite lol

[clear rampart]

You can easily play NSMB with just one screen, I did on my RP2S, just swapped the screen in a safe spot whenever I wanted to use my stored item.

[unique path]

This should support DS upscale as well looking at the other h700 devices 👀

[desert canyon]

I just wish every linux device had the layout options from onion

[rich cloud]

Do you think Might and Magic clash of heroes would work on this device then?

[main pollen]

looks like a game where you're supposed to see both screens at once, so i guess not

[desert canyon]

it's turn based so technically you can flip but it's hard to retain the information. 2.8" will be small. I played it on my mm+ and it worked but it was already hard to tell the difference between the icons on the 3.5" screen

[rich cloud]

👍

[foggy cipher]

The only thing that puzzles me is the size of the buttons. When compared to a Miyoo A30, the larger battery plus the much more efficient processor should help to reach very good battery life.

The H700 has a 2.5x more preformance per watt than Miyoo's A33.

[clear rampart]

Oh wow I did not know the A33 was that old

Damn

[main pollen]

8 hours battery life on this tiny thing is amazing

[opaque glacier]

the buttons look like the ones from the nano

[queen niche]

kinda wish they were something between what they currently are and the a30

[opaque glacier]

i don't think i'd mind the buttons but i'd have to see it in hand to know

[meager sage]

Performance per watt plus battery size is probably gonna make my decision

[opaque glacier]

im looking for something i can throw in my pocket without worrying about a case or sleeve or anything. The miyoo seems like it might be better for that screen-wise because it's inset a bit

but only time will tell

[desert canyon]

they have wrong info on the core type too. It's not a-53, it's a9 iirc

[meager sage]

That’s true - I’m sure the 28xx will come with a screen protector though

[opaque glacier]

probably

im more worried about cracking it than i am about scratching it

[foggy cipher]

I was drawing the exact opposite conclusions. There is a flange covering the A30 screen. How am I supposed to install a screen protector so as to put it anywhere without scratching it ?

[opaque glacier]

im sure there's a screen protector that would fit over the actual glass

[foggy cipher]

You should watch carefully. That's not sure. On the A30 pictures, the flange seems to overlap the 2.8" screen, and with rounded borders. Good luck to find something that fits ! Miyoo don't care about screen protectors and prefer you to buy new consoles. The glass protectors didn't dit the MM.

[loud swallow]

i mean the game and watches have a inner bezel and they have tg protectors....dont see why there couldnt be one that would fit the a30....

[foggy cipher]

IMO because 2.8" screen protectors are standards among many device types. If these don't fit (too large), who will make A30 specifically adjusted protectors ? Those handhelds are super niche products.

[worn elk]

i feel like they have to botch something for this to not end up being the best mini ever made, just in terms of chipset and form factor. this runs laps around anything else this small

[opaque glacier]

depends on the size. If the trimui smart can have a screen protector then so can the A30

[foggy cipher]

The trimui has black borders around the display area to accomodate a screen protector. Not the A30. Screen protection will be much easier with the 28XX I guess.

[tiny yew]

I'm completely chipset illiterate. What would this run that the mini struggles with?

[worn elk]

harder ps1 games, medium-hard ds games, then a pretty respectable portion of n64/dc/psp, and likely some saturn. most ps1 it should be able to upscale or run shaders, and under ps1 it can run shaders.

i mean idk how many psp games u would want to play on a 2.8 inch 4:3 screen lol

also portmaster

[opaque glacier]

im excited to start seeing videos and reviews about these two devices

but it really depends on the software

[main pollen]

being the same chip as the xx+/h i think it will end up with the same cfw

[worn elk]

yeah. and the main 2 for that are in really active development right now

[main pollen]

having knulli on this might make some of my handhelds redundant

i really like having one "museum" handheld with nice ui and everything nice and scraped to browse through games

[worn elk]

muos is more my bag tbh i dont really care about scraping and pictures, i value snappy ui and fitting more games on screen at once more

[main pollen]

for me muos is really clunky

[worn elk]

but yeah muos/knulli are both great already and rapidly getting better

[main pollen]

i dunno why really

[worn elk]

theres a big ui refresh coming but yeah maybe its setting cores for folders? which yeah if you have a ton of folders is a bit of a setup but its a do-once thing. and lets you name/structure your shit however you want which is nice

[main pollen]

it's pretty confusing to me

like, too much stuff i gotta read

i rather have logos and pics

more visual

[atomic dew]

I do quite like that there's good options now for whichever style and approach you prefer

[main pollen]

yeah that's great

[atomic dew]

bodes well for the xx tier as they should be quick to support new devices

[main pollen]

i'd love something more like onion os and garlic os, more dedicated to going in and out of games fast

as an option at least, for now i'm comfortable with bato

[atomic dew]

just adding an onion os game switcher to a stock (with updated ra cores) would probably be enough for me on most devices

[tiny yew]

Ah, I didn't think about DS

[worn elk]

yeah miyoo mini ds is there but honestly a lot of the library isnt fullspeed without frameskip

[main pollen]

yeah, something like that

[atomic dew]

I am generally less demanding on what I want from a cfw though, improved performance or stability are nice, but then just a switcher and boxart are the things I'd most like

[main pollen]

and the option for the power off - save state - power on - load on state

[main pollen]

i'm definitely more into look and functionality than performance

i don't even play ps1 on budget devices

[worn elk]

i have a personal preference toward cfws that dont override retroarch settings at all. im arkos over jelos/rocknix partially for that reason and that's part of muos over batocera for me (the other main part being boot time cuz sleep on this chipset sucks)

[meager sage]

Ps1 is my most played retro system

[main pollen]

i barely play it

[meager sage]

I play the hell out of it on everything from my miyoo mini plus to my MacBook Pro

[main pollen]

and when i wanna play it, i want the geometry fixes and all that, so i want power

[meager sage]

I want it to look like ps1 because I have heavy ps1 nostalgia so on my higher end devices I do CRT shaders lmao

[worn elk]

this can probably do (light) crt shaders for most ps1 games

[main pollen]

i've always hated the native ps1 look

[meager sage]

Yeah this should also run the gameboy shaders I like

[main pollen]

probably cause i have zero ps1 nostalgia

started with ps2 and pc gaming

[worn elk]

yeah. this vs miyoo mini is like, playing the games vs having the extra overhead to emulate original look or upscale on top of that.

[main pollen]

yeah, people keep complaining about "waaah, can run dreamcast but no sticks" but that's really the point of it (also the efficiency)

[worn elk]

there are so many good 2d dreamcast games too

2d or otherwise dpad friendly

like u can play soul calibur on something that fits in your pocket easily, thats cool as hell!

[meager sage]

I played NES, SNES, Gameboy, and PS1 then I switched to primarily PC gaming around when my family got an n64

So for me my nostalgia ends at ps1 and some n64

all my ps2 era nostalgia is for PC games of that timeframe rather than consoles

[main pollen]

i only had a gameboy color and then gba, then started playing on the pc at home, then my dad bought a ps2 (divorced parents)

[meager sage]

I skipped GBA - wasn’t interested in handhelds for some reason

[main pollen]

i barely have any real nostalgia for anything tbh

[meager sage]

Despite having used my gameboy pocket and colour a lot earlier

[main pollen]

some ps2 games and pokemon

and smb1 since i had smb deluxe for gbc

[meager sage]

But yeah these days I mostly emulate nes, snes, ps1, gameboy, ms-dos

All of which should run great on this

With fast forward, shaders, etc

[worn elk]

i was an n64 kid so i dont have direct ps1 nostalgia but i have nostalgia for the era

[timid nebula]

The only PS1 game we played frequently was the free roam mode in Driver 2

[rustic girder]

If I can manage to run burnout legends and midnight club for psp on this, I'll be amazed

[worn elk]

might be possible honestly? havent tried much psp on my 35xx+ cuz my rp3+ is my dedicated psp machine. letterboxed 16:9 on a screen this small isnt gonna be great tho lol

[meager sage]

I think as a kid I easily sunk 2000 hours into final fantasy tactics

while also playing a ton of armored core arena, vagrant story, megaman legends 2, megaman x5, breath of fire IV, FF7/8/9...

[worn elk]

driver 2 is so cool but also held back so much by performance

[rustic girder]

@worn elk any chance of you seeing how they run on your 35xx and letting me know so i have a rough idea?

[worn elk]

yeah i can give it a shot. which burnout and which midnight club? there's two of both iirc

[rustic girder]

both are racing type games, just curious to see how they do, not that itll stop me from buying the 28xx lol

burnout legends and midnight club dub edition

[worn elk]

actually wait im running muos rn which doesnt have standalone psp yet. somebody running batocera/knulli can probably better estimate performance?

[main pollen]

i doubt any of them would run well

but i might be surprised

i think i have both roms

[rustic girder]

all good, not a big deal. just trying to get a potential feel for what size sd card id want to buy lol

the more it will handle, the larger the card ill get

[worn elk]

i will say dreamcast surprised me on 35xx+. not everything playable but more than i expected, and some of the more notable games are very playable

[rustic girder]

i still have my rg405m for whatever it wont run and bigger titles. i do have a potential game test request for dc then if youre able

[worn elk]

yeah i can do that. generally standalone vs libretro doesnt matter that much for dc (tho the upcoming 64-bit kernel change in both cfws will probably matter)

[rustic girder]

San Francisco Rush 2049

[worn elk]

oooh i think i alraedy have that

theres an n64 version too which is the one i grew up with, that might run if the dc one doesnt

[rustic girder]

maybe ms pacman maze madness and gta 2 as well 😛

my 3 fav games as a kid

not that i ever did many missions on gta, more so just grabbed a tank and ran everything over lmfao

i did find the sanfrancisco rush game didnt look as nice on n64

[worn elk]

yeah it doesnt but it still plays well

[rustic girder]

id be curious to see how well conkers bad fur day for n64 is

[worn elk]

thats probably a no-go lol thats one of the hardest n64 games to run

[rustic girder]

yeah would be a good test for sure though

[worn elk]

muos doesnt have standalone n64 yet tho but banjo-kazooie runs pretty well on batocera from what i've seen

[atomic dew]

I think gba might be my most played retro system these days, strikes the best balance of looks and being suitable for a handheld

[rustic girder]

ill second that

[worn elk]

ive been playing a lot of ps1 lately cuz i missed that library growing up. and then i love 16-bit stuff still so snes/genesis/turbografx are gotos

[rustic girder]

i usually play gba and snes

[atomic dew]

even when not playing gba, my gaming is fairly consistent, quick stuff is puzzle games, mariokart, sports games and then I'll have a longer rpg on the go as well

[rustic girder]

those were all i really had growing up till we got a dreamcast

[worn elk]

i like diving into systems i missed growing up on my handhelds

[main pollen]

yeah, it's why i love scraping

[atomic dew]

I tended to be more of a computer person over console, but nabbed all the handhelds I could from game and watch onwards

[main pollen]

can see how a game i've never heard about is in a few seconds

[atomic dew]

gb micro, vita and new 3ds were only ones i missed out on

oh, thats not true forgot about lynx and the sega tries

[rustic girder]

the micro is fun

[main pollen]

well, crap

i think i broke my psp emulation cause i changed to vulkan

mc3 definitely ran pretty bad @rustic girder

[worn elk]

getting like 45 fps so not fullspeed but totally playable with frameskip. i have not remapped controls to use the dpad tho so this was just me testing driving straight forward into the first wall i hit lmao

actually its closer to 60 at times

[rustic girder]

thank you guys

[worn elk]

it was lower at the start of the race with more cars on screen at once but it keeps 60 outside of that pretty well actually. i would definitely call it playable. which is awesome

not sure how well it will actually play with a dpad instead of a stick tho i remember the rush games having oversteer real bad lol

u might wanna look at 35xxh instead unless u need it really really ultrapocketable. cuz thats still pretty small but has the sticks

[rustic girder]

ill have to try it on a different system to try that to see if id still play it

[meager sage]

I think if I didn't grow up on PS1 the 3d action titles would be hard to get into today with their unique aesthetics

[rustic girder]

i have a larger rg405m but i want an ultra portable as well

[meager sage]

but the library still has a lot of 2d stuff and RPGs as well

[worn elk]

oh fair @ already having 405m

[rustic girder]

based on the 405, i can handle sfr with a dpad

[atomic dew]

the ps1 and other early 3d systems definitely struggle a little more than later 16-bit stuff, presumably as a consequence of the focus being on just being able to do this new stuff while it not having enough of an identity beyond that

[rustic girder]

just need to tap the controls for some turns vs holding

[worn elk]

okay sick

then yeah its not a flawless experience on this chipset but i would personally call it playable. if u arent a 60fps stickler it should be fine

[rustic girder]

well, the 405 plays it flawless, ill see if i can find a way to cap it at 45 to see what its like lol

[atomic dew]

a different system, but the older borderlands games still hold up for me as they went with their own look rather than trying to push realism to the level it was on their releases

[worn elk]

ps1 and to a lesser extent n64 aesthetic are in right now for indie stuff

not always done particularly accurately lol but still

[atomic dew]

n64 worked a bit better than ps1 for me, the 3d was still jank but a more cartoonish aspect like you got on a fair amount of the titles makes the janks tand out less than trying for realism

[rustic girder]

well, playing between 30-55 fps, while not as enjoyable obviously is still very playable and manageable

[reef socket]

I really struggle with the early 3d era (Ps1, N64, 3d DS). It looks so bad compared to the 2d pixel wonders that came at the same time

[worn elk]

one of the first video games i remember playing was sm64

so i kind of just accepted that look lol

some later n64 still looks pretty good just cuz of the polygons it could push, even if the textures were really blurry sometimes lol. but the gap between something like cbfd and an early ps2 or gamecube game is pretty small

[reef socket]

I guess I'm still not fully at ease with 3d in games. But then I never touched an XBox or Ps5 in my life

[main pollen]

some early ps2 games really looked bad

[worn elk]

yeah lmao

dreamcast even was sort of a weird inbetween generations thing.

definitely closer to ps2 than n64 or ps1 power wise but a lot of the devs were still developing for n64 or ps1 as the primary platform. so dreamcast ports can look like that just upscaled and it looks a little like a lazy remaster lol

like some of those ps360 era remasters where they just upscaled the textures and then called it a day

[meager sage]

I think ps1 aesthetics have aged a lot better than n64 tbh

[main pollen]

for me dreamcast is fully in ps2 gen, just came and left early

[meager sage]

Ps1 done right (ultrakill) looks gorgeous while n64 without nostalgia goggles looks like somebody’s first unity game

[main pollen]

i just can't deal with the morphing polygons, so ugly

[atomic dew]

loved my dreamcast, really strong lineup of stuff worth playing even from launch

[main pollen]

games melting

[meager sage]

I find them funny and charming lol

[main pollen]

it's definitely a look

[meager sage]

Ultrakill has a lot of options for everything from resolution to jitter to decide how much psx you want lol

[main pollen]

still gotta try that one out, but i got sidetracked with pizza tower

[meager sage]

I do all the dithering and jitter artifacts but I can’t bring myself to downscale beyond 480p

[main pollen]

i need a more laid back game atm though so I'll see what i end up playing

[meager sage]

Laid back is definitely not ultrakill lol

[main pollen]

yeah lmao

[reef socket]

Well anyway. I love my 2d pixel art elevated to ART

And some do get to that level honestly

And... would fit the 28xx pretty nicely

[worn elk]

yeah i mean 28xx will play some pixel art all-timers very well. like sf3 and motw

but yeah i think people who only want to play "full libraries" saying this doesnt fully cover any systems miyoo mini doesnt are missing out on the advantages of having this level of overhead for systems. shaders, upscaling, fast-forward, etc. are very nice to have and give u a lot more agency over how your games look and feel beyond just "do they run"

[atomic dew]

certainly on stuff like ps1, things like ffwd have a lot more headroom with this chipset than one of the miyoos

[worn elk]

yeah. even superfx snes stuff is kind of just hanging in there on miyoo lol

[meager sage]

for me I'm struggling to think of too many n64/dc/psp games I would want to play with no stick but yeah I like having overhead

plus the h700 playing easy stuff should have good battery life

[worn elk]

there's a lot of good 2d dc games tho a lot of those are arcade ports admittedly. but yeah dc is huge for fighting games and shmups

n64 its a smaller list but there's some heat still. psp yeah probably nothing i would want to play on a 2.8 inch 4:3 screen lol

[meager sage]

yeah, I don't think you'll be playing ikaruga on this full speed (doesn't run full speed on the 3566 sadly)

[worn elk]

yeah probabl not. what i've played of bangai-o runs very well tho

still need to try mvc2 and cvs2 and project justice but soulcalibur runs great

[meager sage]

not the best form factor for tate mode anyway lol

[worn elk]

yeah lol no right stick makes that awkward

not undoable but not ideal

[meager sage]

could use select+start+L1+L2 and the dpad if you hold it the other way?

might be good enough for digdug and pacman

maybe stretching for dodonpachi

[worn elk]

yeah maybe

[meager sage]

honestly if the select and start buttons work ok that should actually work for any 2 button tate cabs

then use l1/l2 just for pause + coin insert or whatever

but anyway the first shmup I'd put on this is raptor:call of the shadows (ms-dos)

And that isn’t tate

[worn elk]

yeah honestly i think more of my favourite shmups are horizontal

[meager sage]

What ones?

I feel like other than NES silver surfer I’ve played like zero horizontal shmups

[wheat kelp]

Since this device won’t be as good for GBA as I wanted it to be I may as well build a backlog of PSX and earlier games to play (never really played any of those consoles). What games would y’all recommend?

[meager sage]

I’ll say the sharp shimmerless shader works quite well to play gba on a 640x480 fwiw

[worn elk]

gradius gaiden, thunder force iv, lords of thunder, progear, blazing star, einhander, r-type delta

[timid nebula]

I'm stretching to full screen all day

[wheat kelp]

I’ll give it a shot, never even bothered to try tbh

[meager sage]

I agree with no shaders gba on 480p is gross

[unique jackal]

Whats wrong with It? Wrong resolution scaling?

Does It look good with filters? I suppose nothing Beats the rg352p in that regard

[fathom estuary]

yeah if youre into integer scaling

that said i personally just go full screen (keeping aspect ratio ofc) for gba on my MM

[clear rampart]

Yeah I don't mind that it's not a perfect integer scaling dealio.

[fathom estuary]

then again i guess my matte protector kinda blurs/blends them pixels together unlike naked screen/tempered glass instead

[slender copper]

Honestly, with my MM V2, the screen resolution and size makes it hard to notice any issues with GBA, I'm sure this will be similar, if not better with shaders

[real zephyr]

I dunno, I play GBA on 4:3 screen 480p devices all the time with no shaders or filters and it never bothered me. As long as the 3:2 aspect ratio is kept intact I don't care too much about integer scaling, filters, or any of that business.

[meager sage]

Yeah the sharp shimmerless shader will fix all the gross noise when side scrolling on this

[reef socket]

where is this shader located? I can't find it in the multiple folders of shaders

[meager sage]

It is not a default, if you search it you can find it on GitHub

Gamma has started including it on gamma OS

[reef socket]

thnks!

[clear rampart]

It's a pretty new shader isn't it? That'd explain why it's not more common atm.

[reef socket]

I mst be blin. I don't see the difference between the two rightmost filters on the demo video 😄

[clear rampart]

Sharp-Bilinear-2x-Prescale I can notice the shimmer on the house's wall pretty easily myself compared to Sharp-Shimmerless

[reef socket]

oh ok, now i see it

[wheat kelp]

Oh wow I didn’t realize how close this was in size to the PocketGo v1

PocketGo v1 is 12.3 x 1.4 x 5.6 cm and 28XX is 12.5 x 1.65 x 5.65 cm

I knew this “mentally” but it actually hit just now, a lot more excited for this now

[clear rampart]

It's the PocketGo v1 2. As opposed to the PocketGo v2.

[opaque glacier]

about the size of an iphone mini but thicker

[rustic girder]

This is a big reason of why im so excited for it

basically same size and a lot more power

[wheat kelp]

So I got bored and did some measurements while stuck in a meeting based on a screenshot of the official promo

[clear rampart]

Honestly I'm more excited for this device than I thought I'd be lol.

It and the 35XX SP are really interesting to me.

[wheat kelp]

Using the height of 5.65cm and a pixel height of 220 I was able to get rough numbers for the button sizes and D-pad

Buttons appear around 0.64cm in diameter and D-Pad is 1.82cm across

Gonna see if I can get other numbers to compare but these seem a lot closer to “standard” button sizes than RG Nano ones

[rustic girder]

looks for tape measure

based off that, the buttons shouldnt be much smaller than of those on my rg405m

if at all

[spring wadi]

I think this was confirmed/rumored to have the baby buttons of the RG Nano.

[wheat kelp]

I think that was a rumor when all we had was the engineering drawings

[clear rampart]

At this point the only thing I need from the 28XX is a good cfw. And since it uses the same SoC as the recent RG35XX wave, shouldn't be long a wait, if there's any wait.

[wheat kelp]

Nano buttons are about 0.48cm and D-pad is about 1.38cm

35XX buttons are about 0.8cm and D-pad is about 2.2cm

28XX buttons are about 0.64cm and D-pad is about 1.82cm

So pretty much smack dab in between

[main pollen]

it seemed like a middle point yeah

if it's like the smart pro more or less, i think it will be very usable

although those are flat and clicky

[spring wadi]

You think anbernic made new buttons just for this device?

[main pollen]

they did for the nano which was a complete gimmick

[reef socket]

These are the same dimensions as the buttons on the trimui smart. They definitely feel smaller than the ones on the rg35xx. But that does not mean I dislike them

[main pollen]

i think this will sell more and i expect the 28xx to be a series of handheld like 35xx is

[worn elk]

Did the 280m or 280v use different buttons from the 35 series? Maybe they're using those?

[spring wadi]

The buttons are the same as the 350 and 351 series. If that is what you are asking.

Same buttons on the 353 also.

[worn elk]

Oh okay yeah. Wondering if maybe they had an in-between size already but I guess not

[spring wadi]

I think the 405m also. the 405v has longer buttons. the 556 has new buttons. I just think these will be the same as the nano buttons. But I could be wrong. We will have to wait to see. If this is under 60 dollars. I am picking up two.

I think ambernic frist major button change was for the 35xx OG

[worn elk]

Yeah this might replace my miyoo mini

[clear rampart]

It's definitely replacing my OG RG35XX

[wheat kelp]

I mean my measurements have some margin of error but I highly doubt it’d be 20%, these are probably a new button size

[worn elk]

Or my 35xx+, one of those probably. I really like the h700 chipset and the dev scene around it

Very powerful for the price and with strong active dev support

[spring wadi]

I wish Miyoo had their hands on the h700 for the 30 but oh well

[clear rampart]

The RG35XX was my first retro handheld, but while I enjoyed the novelty, and played a decent amount of games on it. I really showed me I don't care much for vertical handhelds lol.

[wheat kelp]

I’m okay with the button sizes, would’ve been nice if they were “full size” but it’s whatever. I hope they make a metal option tbh

[clear rampart]

They'll make a metal option and charge $135 for it lol

[foggy cipher]

Thank you for this work. So it seems more doable and less a dealbreaker than nano controls.

[worn elk]

Yeah miyoo mini was my first and I love it for the size and screen quality but I learned I definitely prefer horizontal

I got 35xx+ in a giveaway and liked it way more than I thought I would tho so I don't think I'm totally opposed to verticals

[meager sage]

I actually prefer verticals but the og MM just feels too delicate and the shoulder buttons are terrible

[worn elk]

Yeah. I wonder if we'll get a 28xxv as a 280v successor but I think I'd rather have this layout anyway

[meager sage]

When you go this small I’m really ambivalent - devices this small benefit from being horizontal for comfort for sure (q36 mini is more comfy than my miyoo mini plus…) but also small devices that are verticals are great for playing turn based stuff with one hand

The MM+ is awkward for me because it’s just a little too big for comfy one hand play and a little too small for comfy two hand play lol

I have a very odd use case where part of my job is usually about once a week I have to stand on top of a ladder with a hose in one hand for about 40 minutes

[clear rampart]

What you fuel up air planes or something?

[meager sage]

So between that and playing while eating I am on the hunt for a one hand rpg machine

[rustic girder]

I found the original MM is great for pocketability but too cramped on my hands where as i found the MM+ to be kind of the opposite... not that it was big in my pocket, it was just not quite what i had hoped for

[meager sage]

Brew beer

[clear rampart]

Ah

[meager sage]

But yeah I might just play GBC on this by mapping l1/l2 to B/A

[brittle kraken]

Actually more interesting than any airplane stuff :p

[meager sage]

I dunno machinery can be pretty cool

At least when the door plugs are installed properly

[brittle kraken]

Lets just say I dont drink airplane fuel, unlike beer 😛

[meager sage]

Fair - I think working on the tarmac long term has some pretty bad health implications

Then again so does drinking too much beer

Anyway, back on topic I’m fine with tiny buttons tbh as long as they’re well spaced

It’s when they’re so close together that hitting the correct one is difficult without triggering others I get frustrated

The q36 mini walks close to that line

I actually love my q36 mini despite being a deeply flawed device and right now this looks like by going only a little bigger I get rid of almost all the flaws…

[worn elk]

yeah and a massive power boost

I think this is the first device this small to really go past miyoo mini power levels significantly and it's gonna be nice

[meager sage]

Yeah the flaws of the q36 are old chip, some firmware limitations as a result of that old chip, and 240x240 tint screen really being not great for anything but NES imo. And the buttons are a bit small.

Oh also the power button on the q36 is too easy to press accidentally in your pocket, that plus a tiny battery = half the time it dies in your pocket before you notice.

But yeah I love NES so the mini still sees some use

[worn elk]

Only downside of this chip for something this small is that sleep mode isn't great and still drains battery pretty fast. I usually just hard shutdown

[meager sage]

Yeah, that’s why I will probably use minUI on this, as much as it pains me to not include neogeo

I love the quick boot time and auto save/load combo

Though I’m interested in trying muOS - I don’t own anything that can run that atm

[worn elk]

I like muos. I'm too much of a power user and to into niche systems for minui, and muos is still quick to boot and minimalist on the UI front but not lacking in functionality at all. No quick mode yet tho

[clear rampart]

This is why I miss power switches. Like on the Game Boy/Game Boy Advance.

I get that sleep modes are made easier with just "press power button for sleep, hold power button for off", but eh.

[meager sage]

I’m excited to try it out whenever I get an h700 device or he releases for rg arc, whatever comes first

[wheat kelp]

Sure thing, it struck me that nobody had estimated/measured the buttons even though it was a topic of curiosity

Also was wanting to know what I was gonna get into since this will definitely be a day 1 buy for me, regardless of reviews

[solar charm]

so this is like a horizontal miyoo mini... ? 🤔
why do I want it?! 😩

[worn elk]

it's more of a smaller 35xxh without the sticks. It's more powerful than a miyoo mini

[solar charm]

hm... but this means you'll play the same stuff, no?

[worn elk]

it'll do a fair bit of n64/DC/PSP, which miyoo can't play at all. And for everything the miyoo mini does play it'll have a lot more headroom for upscaling, shaders, fastforward, etc

should be notably better at DS than mm too

[solar charm]

don't you need at least one stick for n64/DC/PSP?

[worn elk]

not for all games. Dreamcast and PSP especially have a lot of dpad friendly games

[solar charm]

oh? seems like I need to discover more... 🙂

[worn elk]

PSP has a lot of rpgs and vns that should be dpad friendly, Dreamcast has a lot of fighting games and shmups

N64 not so much but there's a few dpad bangers. Kirby 64 at least lol

[solar charm]

yeah... I'm not really a big rpg guy I kinda learnt about myself 😛

[worn elk]

Yeah fair lol

[solar charm]

I do love that one 😄

I'm thinking this could be my "on the go" handheld, because it's still pocketable and has better ergonomics, than let's say the rgb30 which I love to take with me, or the miyoo mini that's so small I fear dropping it

[worn elk]

but yeah if nothing else this should be able to upscale a lot of ps1 2x

[solar charm]

when's this coming out? do we have a date?

[opaque glacier]

Soon.

no official date but I think RH has their hands on theirs

or will soon

knowing anbernic it could drop tomorrow

[reef socket]

You'd be playing Psp on such a small 4:3 screen ?

[solar charm]

someone on here I remember was saying he reads ebooks on the miyoo mini, so there's that 😛

I feel like orange will be the right one for me

[atomic dew]

reading ebooks on such a device is just plain weird, nobody will have a phone that small so just use that if you don't have a better option such as a kindle

[tiny yew]

Do we know how thin this thing is?

Thinner than a mini?

[meager sage]

16.5mm

The og MM is 18mm

So yes. Thinner, bigger battery, more efficient chip, has a gpu 👀

Shoulder buttons don’t look great but literally could not be any worse than the miyoo mini (og, the + shoulders are fine imo)

[tiny yew]

Hmm. That is pretty tempting. Damn. I was considering waiting for a clamshell but I do like the idea of this device

[meager sage]

That’s my exact situation - only reason to pass on this is to wait for the 35xxSP

This might actually be more ergonomic though

[spring wadi]

is the 35xxSP same size screen? Or do we not know yet.

[tiny yew]

I don't think a screen size is confirmed but folks are estimating it's larger based on the videos that have been circulating

Pretty sure 3.5 is the assumed

[spring wadi]

What I am thinking also.

What is the Nintendo SP? 2.8inches?

[meager sage]

2.9” 3:2 for the GBA SP, 35xx SP if that is the name implies 3.5” 4:3

And the 35xxSP or whatever they call it is about the same size as a GBA SP if not a touch larger, so being a modern device should be able to shrink bezels and give us a bigger screen

[real zephyr]

My only real concern about the 28XX is the teeny tiny D-pad and buttons, and those New 3DS style shoulder buttons. If the controls are comfy though then it looks a winner to me! Slap MinUI on that little bugger and away you go ^_^

[tiny yew]

What color is everyone feeling?

I kinda like the SNES one

Maybe the black transparent

[rustic girder]

I'm thinking the DMG one but buying the SNES coloured buttons once they're available to make it closer to that of an SNES controller or the black transparent

I worry the white will stain or show marks when in my pockets over time

The orange with the buttons and triggers etc from the black transparent would be awesome though

[worn elk]

definitely orange for me i think. i have dmg, snes, and transparent black handhelds already (tho i like the dpad on the snes one)

[tiny yew]

The orange is pretty cool

[rustic girder]

who am i kidding... i want them all lol

[opaque glacier]

Transparent black is best

[worn elk]

i do like the transparent black on my 35xx+... but i already have transparent black lmao. i want all of my devices to have a different colour scheme (tho i do have two snes-looking ones just cuz both were local used pickups)

[spring wadi]

Orange and cream. Switch the buttons

[rustic girder]

ooo, theres a cool idea i didnt think of

[real zephyr]

Always original DMG Game Boy style for me when it's an available option, unless there's Indigo purple, so DMG it is this time!

[clear rampart]

I'm also gonna go for the DMG Game Boy grey. I'm not a fan of transparent black, even though I always go for a transparent color. Purple, green, and blue for my RG35XX, RP2S, and Odin 2 respectively.

[solar charm]

I think I'd prefer black buttons on the orange model more, but surley there will be aftermarket buttons...

[small oxide]

you might be able to buy some buttons with the handheld when you make your order

they've provided spare hall sticks in the past

at cost of course

[reef socket]

I got sticks and dpad/membranes from them. Not cheap

[shy jasper]

The hall sticks from them are overpriced for sure (just got 5 for less than the price of 1), but they've had no problem just throwing in buttons with my orders before, granted I wouldn't even bother asking until a few months post-launch

[solar charm]

I've ordered the pink buttons for the ARC from them... was like $20 with shipping included

[shy jasper]

RIP, They threw in an extra set of buttons for free when I ordered a 505 last year at my request, granted I've ordered a lot of devices from them so maybe it was a "we know who to keep happy" kind of thing lol (more likely the arc buttons are genuinely more expensive than some of the others since they're only used in one device & likely ordered in lower quantities from their supplier)

[solar charm]

Nah, buttons were $5 and shipping $15, iirc

[shy jasper]

Oof, I guess tacking them onto another order is the way to go then

[solar charm]

Yeah... but I'm in Central Europe so shipping is not great for me in general

[shy jasper]

Ahh yah that makes sense

[atomic dew]

I'm tempted by the orange, but I tend to go for the more understated options, especially for out and about devices as it reduces the chances of people talking to you when you are trying to play a game. 😄

Think it might be time for another dmg-style for me if I do get one, not had one of them since the 353ps

[solar charm]

I never had a dmg-styled one and would like to but here it looks wrong to me 😛

[atomic dew]

got two so far, 353ps and my og 35xx

[knotty quest]

Suddenly remembered this thing today.

Still feel like this is the coolest looking mini landscape out there even if the chip/software are positively ancient (I think it runs Dingoo, actually?)

I realise they just made a Famicom controller with a screen, but they made enough changes to make it have a distinct look with a strong retro vibe

[atomic dew]

eeww at the button layout

[reef socket]

that would take some getting used to and readapt between devices 😄

[knotty quest]

Yeah, but visually I think it looks cool

And I think if I got a device this small, I'd mostly play like GB, PCE and a bit of GG in any case, so that would work well, actually

[marble cove]

I’m feeling this. Usually I like understated/retro vibes and DMG looks great on the XX+ & RP2S… can’t quite say why but it just looks off on the 28xx.

Beige white reminds me of a DS lite, which I’m very about. I’m leaning towards that and then swapping in the DMG buttons.

[opaque glacier]

agreed something about the DMG look here is wrong

can't quite put my finger on it

they should've done a GBA purple/white

[solar charm]

maybe because it's horizontal

[opaque glacier]

i mean maybe?

but it looked fine on the 353ps

maybe it's the two tone colors

if they just did one color like they did here it might look better

[solar charm]

somehow it doesn't "weigh" right for me 😛

[opaque glacier]

maybe it's the color + the rounded edges and softness of the device

or maybe it's a button size ratio thing

[solar charm]

yeah, something is "off balance", maybe that's a better word 😛

[opaque glacier]

it does look better in the videos than in the renders

transparent black is maybe where it's at

[atomic dew]

the two colours of buttons also works on the rg35xx tho

[opaque glacier]

yeah but that's vertical

it also works on the A30 but that's going for a famicom controller look

[atomic dew]

it is odd why it isn't clicking for some on this one, but I agree about that gba purple, it should have been one of the options

[opaque glacier]

purple instead of orange imo

the orange isn't bad. It's just an odd duckling of a choice

not a lot of traffic cone orange handhelds out there tbf

[atomic dew]

yeah, anbernic tends to have at least one of white, black, dmg or snes as a base option, the question is then what do they pair it with

or rather one of those plus a transparent one

[opaque glacier]

a fully clear one would be cool

[spring wadi]

I like Orange becasue it is something different. The same 5 color ways all the time is annoying to me

[opaque glacier]

i wonder how easy it would be to remove the screen and dye it a fun color

[atomic dew]

They should be more adventurous with the 3rd (and 4th) options really, keep your core in place and try to find new hits

[opaque glacier]

i think that's where the orange is coming from

you have your standard gray and trans black that people like

the beige offers different stock colors

the orange is just weird

and you know someone is gonna mish mash these together the second they get them

[atomic dew]

I wonder if the orange is inspired by both powkiddy and miyoo bringing out yellow models fairly recently

[spring wadi]

We need a wood color option every time.

[opaque glacier]

they'll get an orange and a white and swap out the parts and make some sorbet monstrosity

[spring wadi]

GC were Orange maybe that is where is is from

[clear rampart]

Creamsicle handheld

[atomic dew]

An all-white one might like good, albeit not for me since I got a trimui smart like that

[opaque glacier]

incorrect tone of orange

just gimme a price and a date already

in one of the miyoo a30 reviews that came out yesterday the guy said he had an rg28xx on the way and Anbernic was suggesting that they try to get a review out ASAP

[atomic dew]

I was expecting it to have had a price and date by now with shipping by the end of the month tbh

[opaque glacier]

under $60 would be great

currently you can pick up a 35xxH for $50

i was going to

but then I caught wind of this and it fits my intended use-case way more

[marble cove]

I’d personally love to start seeing more buttons come in this grey tone across all devices. Looks much better than black or white.

[opaque glacier]

agreed

I keep trying to find something like that to mod a MM+ shell I have into a GBA purple and nothing is quite right

[reef socket]

these companies haven't earned a design award yet, you know. I don't think they'd have the firepower of Nintendo in order to design stuff

the orginal GBA was designed by a hired designer

[marble cove]

Fair. But also the 35xx+ and 353ps are gorgeous.

[opaque glacier]

agreed

i think the rumor was the 353ps was designed by someone at 8bitdo?

[reef socket]

I mean, ergonomically also, they have much to learn still. Some of their stuff is just "let's put the buttons we ned there, that'll do"

[marble cove]

Also fair. But (again annoying counterpoint 😜) holding a switch with joycons is not ergonomic imho.

[atomic dew]

Anbernic have shown better ergo than nintendo in recent times

switch is fucking garbage for that

[reef socket]

yeah, I was thinking I was playing against my team there 😄

[marble cove]

Balancing ergonomics, portability, and a full controller all in one is something very few have achieved.

[worn elk]

switch pro controller is really ergonomic for me

[clear rampart]

Most handhelds are just flat rectangles or ovals, even OEMs like Game Boy or PSP.

[worn elk]

so i think its more that they chose nto to prioritize ergo for switch, not that they arent capable if they try

[atomic dew]

switch seems like it focuses too much on the two mini controllers for multiplayer gimmick when it should have been a cheap secondary option while you had real controls

[worn elk]

yeah i mean it would be nice if they bundled it with a procon

but 99% of the library works fine with a procon i dont think the joycons are forced very often

[marble cove]

Hmmm, now I’m thinking about the best handheld that balances ergo and portability lol.

I think it’s the RP2S with one of those reversible case grips for me.

[atomic dew]

no need to bundle a pro controller, simply make the joycons better for one player than they are for two sharing them, give it a proper dpad and enough room to not have to vertically align the controls

[clear rampart]

I that's the point of this thing:

[marble cove]

any device that vertically aligns the controls is a sin. The right stick needs to be more inset than the face buttons, and the D-pad/left analogue stick (whichever is on bottom) also needs to be inset.

This is my biggest gripe with the Odin 2, and something Retroid is doing better than them.

[main pollen]

it's not a sin, it's a compromise

[atomic dew]

an unnecessary compromise, it takes very little insetting to make a crucial difference, just look at something like the 353ps

[marble cove]

lol. Not wrong. But I stand by my statement.

[main pollen]

i mean, i agree wholeheartedly

but it's not like they don't know

[atomic dew]

on the 353ps the right stick is merely aligned with the y button rather than the centre of the 4 buttons

[marble cove]

Looking at the Odin 2 there certainly is room for this.

[clear rampart]

If there was room to do it on the RP2S there's room to do it with the Odin 2 lol

[marble cove]

The inset stick & D-pad is one of the biggest reasons I love the hori split pads

[atomic dew]

got the mobapad ones recently and I like those even better than the hori ones

[main pollen]

odin is pretty bad at ergonomics for its size, both 1 and 2

my biggest gripe

[marble cove]

What’re your thoughts on the D-pad for that?

(Not to get too off track from this thread’s topic)

[atomic dew]

circle one is decent enough, but I opted for the regular dpad, just being circular isn't enough of a plus point unless it goes the whole way to the sega-style on the arc

[shy jasper]

The larger binbok joy cons are genuinely one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever used, d-pad is mid & they do feel a little cheap but it gets a pass solely on ergonomics

[marble cove]

I’ve heard good things about the boks

What are people’s thoughts on black bezels vs shell-colored bezels on things like the 28xx? IE the grey model’s grey bezels vs the orange model’s black bezels.

[shy jasper]

generally not a fan of non-black bezels but on something this small I don't think it matters much

[clear rampart]

I honestly didn't notice lol. Shows how much I pay attention.

[tiny yew]

I dunno. Maybe I'll hold off on this thing in favor of a clam. I've been playing my mini a bunch and realized I'm mostly playing one handed RPGs. I might actually get less use out of this

[meager sage]

I am personally wanting a one hand rpg machine but the OG mini felt too fragile and I didn’t like the shoulder buttons.

[tiny yew]

They're definitely fragile. Did you rule out the pixel?

[shy jasper]

The pixel hardware is great, the software not so much =\

[drifting tusk]

Three videos in less than a week. Surely this is out any day now right? Monday? Next Friday? This Friday? 😅

[meager sage]

I'm on the fence with the pixel - has minUI which is great but the SoC is ancient

[clear rampart]

I'm a little surprised they don't already have a date.

[atomic dew]

Still possible it will be shipping before the end of the month, they have had some rapid turnaround times on some of them

[reef socket]

And it's not exactly cheap. And it has audio issues

[spring wadi]

Shauminman asking means I will have the CFW that I want

[shy jasper]

Problem is that minui runs on top of the stock pixel os & thus inherits its flaws

[meager sage]

TrimUI smart but 480p does sound like his kinda handheld

[meager sage]

Yeah the audio issues are a dealbreaker for me I think

[main pollen]

i wonder if they'll fix it with the extra colors that were leaked

[meager sage]

I honestly think it’s just a nightmare to get any of this stuff to work right on an ancient mips SoC

[main pollen]

i don't even know if i'm getting mine or getting my order cancelled

talked to like 4 agents and i'm not sure what they're doing to it, supposedly cancelling

[real zephyr]

You'd sure think it would be out by now! In any case, the fact that you're excited about it means I'll be buying one when it does come out. MinUI would make the 28XX an easy sell ^_^

[worn elk]

i imagine its gonna get knulli and muos too unless there's some fatal flaw to the hardware/firmware stopping them

[atomic dew]

hmm, guess I hadn't been paying attention as I hadn't noticed the name change until now

[shy jasper]

Lao Zhang (head of gkd) actually said that it's a known issue but they'd specifically not be fixing it & won't be providing the tools to do so either. Up to the community now (& things are looking pretty grim on that front atm unfortunately).

[urban lantern]

i cannot handle googles translation

28xx vertical version of masturbation - insert coins, start, one button to activate or deactivate the automatic burst button, double SS is a single shot, drop bombs, charge upLook at the landlordcollectreply

maxzhou88

anyways max released a video showing off tate mode

[shy jasper]

Link?

[urban lantern]

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8983824460

28xx vertical version of masturbation <----what does that even mean. surely the mandarin is not about actual masturbation?

[shy jasper]

It's mistranslating "emulation"

[violet compass]

lmfao

[urban lantern]

hmm ya that makes sense i didnt think of that,. I was thinking maybe it means play alone like by yourself or play with yourself?

[sharp sierra]

this is a bit difficult to explain
the key word is "打飞机" . 打 = shoot/hit 飞机 = planes
basically, here means shooting the plane in this point
which stand for those STG game which control fighter to shoot enemy in the arcade

||but in another form , using AA gun to shoot plane just like man's masturbation in some aspects
and mandarin really use that to stand for masturbation ||

[shy jasper]

That's really interesting actually, specific to shmups, explains the other place I've seen it

[urban lantern]

ooh thanks eggy! i love learning

[small oxide]

"hit plane" directly translated from Chinese means masturbation https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=worddict&wdrst=0&wdqb=dafeiji

sorry, eggy already explained it above ^

[urban lantern]

so what english speaking person decided that was the best translation? too weird but also hillarious

[worn elk]

probably no english speaking person lol

[shy jasper]

Chinese slang sounds like

[urban lantern]

anyways I enjoyed tate on the 35XX H so maybe this will be good too

[shy jasper]

looks less than ideal tbh

[faint lance]

https://fxtwitter.com/RetroGameCorps/status/1781170832590696776?s=19

[wheat kelp]

IT'S HAPPENING

[clear rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-gif-23353691

[shy jasper]

Hopefully an a30 isn't far behind, odd choice for them to seed it to a couple of small Spanish YouTube channels first. Really tough choice between the two & this'll give anbernic a leg up

[real zephyr]

Awesome! Very exciting to know a Russ review is coming in a few days!

[solar charm]

Can Russ Tell us the price and release date, please? 😛

[opaque glacier]

A release date at least

Presumably before the end of the month but wheennn

[clear rampart]

Russ's video is the shadow drop date

[main pollen]

tuberviejuner is a bigger channel than russ', lol

and i think ours is a very big market for them (between spain and latin america)

he was also the first channel to recieve the rp4p

i guess both miyoo and anbernic will be out next week

[solar charm]

If that's true I'll order it from my work trip to Rome 😅

[real zephyr]

I'd be really surprised if it wasn't out within the next few days. Anbernic's usual release pattern definitely seems to be dropping a couple teaser videos then releasing the new handheld within a week after the teasers. Price wise I'd be shocked if the 28XX was any more than $60 USD, and I think $50 to $60 is probably a reasonable estimate.

[knotty quest]

It's kinda crazy to think that once this and the SP come out, there will be six devices in the xx line

[main pollen]

it's honestly the best thing that anbernic is making at the moment, so it's a good decision

[fathom estuary]

and inevitable more with their respective plus and 2025 refreshes

and the V version of the 28xx ofc

[main pollen]

i wonder if they will make a 28xxVM to compete with the gkd pixel

[knotty quest]

I pray to god they don't make the Arc xx, every day

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[main pollen]

that would be cute

[knotty quest]

I mean, I'm fine if the downgraded Arc doesn't delay the upgraded Arc

[main pollen]

i already have the arc and honestly don't need another sega handheld

[knotty quest]

Otherwise, ironically moving away from Rockchip would give the Arc better CFW support

[main pollen]

there's probably a big wait until a sub 150 buck handheld can run saturn which would be the only upgrade

[knotty quest]

I wouldn't mind better Dreamcast and just more headroom for Android in general (along with better Bluetooth, maybe)

But yeah, none of the chips Anbernic currently uses can give good Saturn, sadly

[atomic dew]

Not even the t820?

[small oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/live/KQW8sipT-M8?si=7XUuMTtBZUhKQXc7

[knotty quest]

I assume you need Beetle for better compatibility, and judging by Russ's videos, T820 can do a lot under Beetle (probably most 2D stuff and even something like Panzer Dragoon), but it won't do 60FPS in something like Sega Rally

Then again I wonder if my issues with Yaba Sanshiro are somehow SoC/driver-related

Because for me YS often starts glitching right at the logo, and I'm not seeing issues like that in too many videos from other people

T820 Arc would be sweet though

And I finally put 2 and 2 together and realised Anbernic has actually put speakers at the bottom of the horns in RG556

So if they do that for the Arc, you'd get the space for sticks on that device

Assuming you get better Bluetooth, down-firing speakers would be an okay trade-off for me

[rain mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQegzfrnKk

[main pollen]

last steps

i actually think i'll go with the white purple

[clear rampart]

I'm probably still gonna get the dmg grey

[main pollen]

lol they did a fake contra test lmao

1:40

[clear rampart]

I was gonna say

I guess this is why the Start/Select buttons are (to me anyway) bizarrely on the left side

[main pollen]

interesting solution

[drifting tusk]

😂 at this part

[main pollen]

they kinda mimic gba somehow although side by side instead of top and bottom

[clear rampart]

I think I'm just too used to horizontal handhelds either having both on the right side, or one on each side.

[small oxide]

lol

[main pollen]

i think switch was the first one to have the one on each side setup which is honestly ideal but not that common until now

they don't mention release/preorder date yet, right?

[rain mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-scary-guy-dark-alley-look-here-look-inside-gif-16918953

[atomic dew]

Fitting in the palm of your hand is an odd selling point, it was true of the H anyway as well

[main pollen]

well this one fits better!

[solar charm]

Damn, the white purple looks nice in these shots... I kinda want it, but orange is interesting too..

[reef socket]

well, this one fits in the palm of a SMALLER hand 😄

[main pollen]

i've decided for the white purple, it's cute and understated

[atomic dew]

Does anyone else think that theme on their stock os is trying to evoke the impression of stuff like artbook next where you have the tall sections but the image is wider than them?

[main pollen]

definitely

[atomic dew]

needs to blend them a bit better as they just look a little odd as they are

[main pollen]

better than the super ugly first version when the xx+ released at least

[atomic dew]

they do seem to be trying to develop it as well to be fair, music and video players are new (or recent) additions

[real zephyr]

"Hey kid, you wanna buy some Anbernic? I got all the colors you need."

[main pollen]

the idea of putting a 512gb full of music and being one of the largest capacity mp3 players you can have for like 50 bucks is pretty amazing

[atomic dew]

wtf they haven't done a unified release is baffling though, it would only need the devices to properly report controls and display details and they'd all fit on the one just fine

It is far too big to be an mp3 player for me.

Mine is one of these https://www.hidizs.net/products/ap80-pro-x-fully-balanced-lossless-music-player-ayfk

[main pollen]

well, the rg nano can do it too

but the screen is tiny, yeah

[atomic dew]

Not running stock on any of my anbernics, is stock being able to sleep and resume ingame new too?

[real zephyr]

Honestly I'm just happy that there's finally going to be a micro handheld that I won't complain about not having enough power. The H700 chipset in this little fella has enough power to play every PS1, GBA, and SNES SuperFX game full speed with no issues and using really accurate RetroArch cores. Something this tiny and pocketable that can run Swanstation is like a miracle to me lol

I really like that little case they just showed off for it too.

[main pollen]

yeah it has a great size/power/battery ratio

super neat

[real zephyr]

I'm also somewhat hopeful that it might get Batocera, since that OS is already available for the 35XX Plus/H and I'm finding myself really liking it!

[atomic dew]

yeah, you can't see the likes of muos/batocera not showing up very quickly

[main pollen]

my hope is i can take the cards from my 35xxh and put it right on here and sell that

but maybe that's too hopeful

[real zephyr]

That would be nice! Maybe they can incorporate RG28XX support into the next Batocera update, since I know the current version already supports seamless swapping of the card between the RG35XX Plus and H models. I'd be surprised if the SP doesn't get added to that list as well when it comes out.

[reef socket]

plus I really don't think the DAC in these devices are even close to mediocre sound wise. I would not use them as my music player

[atomic dew]

Even in decent phones it has not been a priority since LG dropped out, then again my mp3 player is a similar price to an rg556 or rp4 so you are paying for the higher quality

[clear rampart]

Agreed with all you said. Honestly the best part for me is that it doesn't have a stick.

[main pollen]

same, and why the a30 has zero interest for me

[fossil radish]

the a30 doesn't have the jack for headphones to

who's gonna use that outside without?!

[knotty quest]

Maybe it has audio on the USB-C port though?

Like the Nano

[brittle kraken]

A30? yes it has

they actually ship it with an adapter

[fossil radish]

never heard headphones with usb-c end...
my bad

[fossil radish]

nvm then, i was really wrong

[brittle kraken]

so you can dongle like a dumbass iphone users, like myself

[main pollen]

it's still really annoying

[fossil radish]

did they already said how powerfull it is compared to others?

[atomic dew]

28xx is using the same h700 as all the newer XX models

[main pollen]

interesting how all xx models have the same chip except for the original one, no wonder they're killing it

[fossil radish]

why releasing that when 35h exists?

[clear rampart]

Because this is smaller and doesn't have sticks.

[fossil radish]

unless it costs less

[clear rampart]

Which is a different niche

[queen niche]

maybe they shpuld change the xx to h7 at this point

[fossil radish]

oh, yee that sounds good

[main pollen]

they already did

the 2024 version

[clear rampart]

Isn't that what the 2024 refresh have?

Yeah

[queen niche]

i meant as in the name, jokingly

[main pollen]

oh, lol

[clear rampart]

Ah

[queen niche]

my bad 🤣

[clear rampart]

RG35H7 definitely feels like a chinese handheld name

[main pollen]

if it rolled out of the tongue a bit better

[queen niche]

looks at powkiddy

[shy jasper]

I tried making the rg nano work as a flac player, but GMU was just too outdated & janky, ended up getting a Hiby R3 II & I'm really glad I did. https://store.hiby.com/products/hiby-r3-ii

[main pollen]

following anbernic tradition the h700 devices should be called 35xy

[clear rampart]

So what kind of crazy deal did Anbernic get on these SoCs?

[main pollen]

i have no idea but i'm all for it

awesome chip for this use

[atomic dew]

Such a smart move to shrink down their range of SoC's to basically just h700 and t820

[main pollen]

i think you're forgetting one

[atomic dew]

It will give them more flexibility when it comes to design and launch of new devices

[main pollen]

well, there has been no 3566 launches for a while i suppose, that might actually be dead for anbernic

[knotty quest]

It's crazy to think H700 is technically newer than RK3566

[atomic dew]

I'd suspect Arc was the swansong for that one

[knotty quest]

By a whole year, even

[main pollen]

good riddance

hopefully no more dumb battery and sleep issues

[knotty quest]

Still not having those on my Arc, actually

[atomic dew]

At least on anbernic side, it departed in a strong manner, the arc is such a comfortable device to use

[main pollen]

yeah, i like my arc a lot, and the 503 that i used to have was also good for the most part

rgb30 is a pain in the ass with issues, but well, that's powkiddy

[knotty quest]

I mean, sleep mode lasts for at least a week last time I tried to track it (but I have been playing for a few short sessions, so could be more like 1.5)

[atomic dew]

yeah, i am still hoping we get a 40xx sq so I can retire my rgb30

[knotty quest]

Granted, I haven't tried to completely drain it