Armored Core 3

[whole vortex]

ah you gotta upgrade it after finishing the game

alright

tomorrow imma get to 100%

[pliant tusk]

you need it FOR the 100%

there are 2 post game quests in AC3

completing OP-i

[whole vortex]

yeah I just read about it

[pliant tusk]

and doing the double arena

[whole vortex]

I'm gonna do it

a little bit of AC grinding never hurt anyone

arena and ex are already done

[pliant tusk]

hopefully with apple boy if you u arent a meany

[whole vortex]

I just need the hidden parts and op intensify for 100% I think

[whole vortex]

I'm a meanie I used valkyrie

crown I don't think even works agains enemy acs

[pliant tusk]

Q_Q

apple boy best boy

[whole vortex]

I just think it's the collest part in the game

[pliant tusk]

i raised that boy

[whole vortex]

gotta give it to him

he is a good boy

but we're not in a happy world

make cash stomp workers

that is what we do

[pliant tusk]

watching him graduate from one vehicle to the next is so cute

[whole vortex]

I balled so hard I forgot about him

[pliant tusk]

wut

[whole vortex]

I went so hard on the missions

I forgot to pay attention to some other pilots lol

I just remember he is the one you do the first mission with

[pliant tusk]

apple boy is this game's rusty, he is with you in the tutorial, is a consort for almost every mission and he messages you frequently to show you his own rise through the arena

he has special dialog if you bring him on certain missions

[whole vortex]

hu

das crazy

maybe I should have paid more attention

[hasty walrus]

I was shocked how much they made me care about Rusty by the end

[whole vortex]

I cared when he called me buddy 😎

[sacred wren]

Do you have to do every mission? Because I really don't feel great about destroying monorails

[whole vortex]

nope

but most I think

playing naturally is gonna get you to do almost every mission

[civic veldt]

Yeah, based on your allegances, you'll probably end up doing about 3/4s of the missions.

[whole vortex]

care to share your endgame mech?

[civic veldt]

This was my usual go to. Balanced, fairly fast and effective. If I needed to bulk up, I'd do tank treads and Karasawa with beefy arms and a beefy core. If I only needed to do more damage, I'd swap to the 1000 shot machine gun.

[whole vortex]

nice

great minds think alike

looks super good too

[civic veldt]

Next game I might repaint to something whitish greyish with blue accents.

[sacred wren]

Lunch time needs to get here so I can play more

Thanks for your controller mapping @civic veldt , took this from a very frustrating experience for me that I was thinking about dropping to a game I'm excited to pick back up

[whole vortex]

Damn I didn't remember ace being this much of an ass

Lol

[pliant tusk]

that rifle is so good, its what i'd use before i got the karasawa, coupled with a laser blade to save on ammo

my endgame build in gen 3 is always reverse joints + karasawa and moonlight, maybe an EO core

[civic veldt]

The only one to really trip me up for a bit was Royal Mist.

Which is why I made him team up with me through the Extra Arena.

[whole vortex]

The ones that fly are always assholes

[civic veldt]

Welcome to my parking garage, bitch.

[whole vortex]

get garaged idiot 😎

[whole vortex]

me when ace tries to fly

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-nuh-uh-gif-nuh-uh-armored-core-gif-4922926914537318135

[whole vortex]

@civic veldt, I also thing you should pin that if people are playing on PPSSPP, it's way better to enable circlar stick input in the control settings

without it it seems that the diagonals don't work very well

and it feels way more clunky than it is

[civic veldt]

Totally forgot about that as an option and 100%'d it without it lol

[pliant tusk]

good idea! diagonals are a key to how this game handles on PSP

[whole vortex]

yes for sure

to bad I forgot about this before

I a lot of people already gave up on the game :(

[whole vortex]

I needed it to dodge the massive MT that splits

made me so mad

lol

[random bough]

Circular input? I didn’t even know that was a thing? Nice.

[orchid gust]

Hold up a moment

I got a game over after failing a mission

I'm not that bad

[orchid gust]

Also it would be real nice to know if a mission actually takes place on water or not

[whole vortex]

the biefings usually show the scenario

[civic veldt]

Some missions are so important plot wise that if they are failed, it is game over.

@whole vortex Let's see that build boyo

[whole vortex]

Midas is my fav one, been using since master of the arena

Chain stalker does literally what it says on the tin

Fast chaingun nonsense

Keep circling and firing

[whole vortex]

ngl instead of going 3/3 I'm kinda wanting to play silent line and last raven again

[pliant tusk]

i still havent beaten last raven portable lol

[civic veldt]

Same, but I've never played SL, and only ever the beginning of LR.

Time to remedy it!

[whole vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[pliant tusk]

SLp is the ultimate gen 3 experience, they removed the cockpit mode but instead added a fuck ton of new content to compensate

[civic veldt]

Fun fact: the first AC game I ever played was Last Raven and I had no idea what I was doing and I don't think I ever even finished the first mission lol

[whole vortex]

the fuck is cockpit mode

you mean editing the hud?

[whole vortex]

it's hard lol

last raven is "very" hard

[pliant tusk]

oh jeez

[pliant tusk]

no, on PS2 silent line has a special cockpit mode

its just a novelty like the first person mode in gen 1, just with a bit more flavor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-dXLjBzf8

we theorized they removed it cause the 2D graphics for the HUD had to be redone and they couldnt be bothered.

[whole vortex]

No way that shit looks sick

That a game mode?

[pliant tusk]

nah i think its a toggle you unlock after the 100%

like OPi if you didnt carry it over

[whole vortex]

das cool af

[pliant tusk]

yeah its a neat touch

i played AC1 first person and its NOT advisable tho

[whole vortex]

I want to see my mech😎

[forest heart]

PSP or PS2 for newbie such I am?

[sacred wren]

I think I’m mid game and it’s kicking my butt six ways to Sunday

[forest heart]

That hard huh?

[hearty marten]

I’m still in the early section and about 50/50 mission success. Usually I just don’t understand the mission constraints. I don’t think I’ve ever actually died. Unrelated: How does one land a blade hit on a non-stationary target (with default controls)

[open stone]

This "The Controller" stuff is feeling pretty "Instrumentation"-ey

[pliant tusk]

doesnt make any difficulty difference, but PSP is overall better because of quality of life, a bit of extra content and native widescreen

also, easier to emulate

[pliant tusk]

the blade is interesting because much like in halo, you need to play into the unnatural dash you do to close the distance

also its worth noting that leg type affects what your blade does! quads and tanks threads do a stab instead of a slash

which does more damage but has a narrower hitbox

also, while in the air, you dont do the dash, so for big targets you want to tap jump and then melee, to maximize your speed

[whole vortex]

https://fxtwitter.com/rocket_summer/status/1722080326002897037?t=0V8UySh4HrQAHz6Ca20u0w&s=33

[whole vortex]

Also, if you have the reflexes, tap melee the instant the enemies come into your fcs

As soon as it runs red

Even if they are not exactly on screen

The tracking usually still gets them

Blade is very prediction based

[pliant tusk]

thats crazy, maybe i'll use this for my next run of retroachievements supports it

[whole vortex]

I need a rerun of mota

[pliant tusk]

i wanna go back and 100% gen 1, its the only gen before 3.5 that i havent done so

[whole vortex]

So good man

It clunks very well lol

[whole vortex]

readying my super legit copy of silent line

[clever dove]

I just killed the ||Spider||. What is up with that?

[whole vortex]

some bioweapons and stuff

[clever dove]

It was stupid hard for me. I’m terrible at dodging

[whole vortex]

are you playing on ppsspp?

did you learn the bunnyhopping and the

walk left and right like a madman?

[clever dove]

On original psp

Side to side yes. Bunny hopping no

I’ll search it and see if it helps

[whole vortex]

it's just holding a direction and boosting, release, tap boost to do a little jump and then boost again when falling
repeat

this makes your movement way more unpredictable to AI and enemy FCS

[clever dove]

Ohh I’ve seen the AI do something similar. Time for payback

[whole vortex]

the bunnyhop is super usefull

but on tha later arena stage it's useless

since enemies tend to fly high to counter your vision

so while still usefull

you need to reeeealy be in control of your camera

[pliant tusk]

yeah its 100% intended by gen 3 and the AI will do it

[rapid pike]

What legs are need to get across the bridge my hoverboard isn’t working

[rapid pike]

Never mind made it

[forest heart]

Love to answer that my friend, but I haven't played it a single bit

[forest heart]

Arena isn't useful at all? Or is it?

[whole vortex]

it is very usefull

earn some spare cash

practice yhour piloting

cuz these dudes don't let go

[rapid pike]

I just keep losing money. I get B and Cs on the missions but use too many much ammo. Even though I am not missing. 94% Accuracy. This game is silly.

[random bough]

Are you using missiles or guns? With missiles, if your fcs locks multiple times, it’s easy to waste missile ammo, even with high accuracy.

[rapid pike]

Mixed

[whole vortex]

you can see ammo cost per shot

when choosing the weapon

also you can sue laser weapons

if you feel like you're paying too much per shot

laser weapons are free

[rapid pike]

Just did a misson with thanks so I used missiles on then and. I am in the whole 20,000 credits. I use 8 missiles

[whole vortex]

it's not just missles yeah

also the game is stingy with money at the beggining

[rapid pike]

Laser weapons run out of ammo before I kill everyone. Super weak

[whole vortex]

laser blade ground enemies and shoot the small flying ones

also lots of optional parts that buff laser weapons

damage and energy cost

[rapid pike]

I don't have a laser blade.

[whole vortex]

you start with one

[rapid pike]

Sold it

[whole vortex]

ah

well then lol

farm the arena

I remember laser weapons not being this bad

they are weaker in damage yes to balance for the cost

[rapid pike]

I can't beat the 3rd guy. I am very bad at fast movement.

[whole vortex]

did you do the thing that rapid pinned that I said?

about the analog on ppsspp?

also learning to move is very mandatory in this game

don't need to be fast

just more precise

[rapid pike]

Yes it's still hard to turn at all

[whole vortex]

that is kinda the point ;(

you're using what leg type?

[rapid pike]

The hoover board thing

[whole vortex]

you mean float legs?

[rapid pike]

Sure

[whole vortex]

you gotta check the turn speed when choosing legs

and also float legs allow you to move without friction and float on liquid surfaces, but turning is still not instant

some bipedals have better turning

also an optiuonal part to improve turning speed

[rapid pike]

I think I am done. I am 300k in the hole. I don't want to start over. Some missions make little sense to me. Fighting the camera more than any game I played in my life.

[whole vortex]

welp, it's not for everybody

It's not bad when you learn it tho :(

[pliant tusk]

the game is built with these situations in mind, there are ways to recover from this

[rapid pike]

Maybe. But it's a huge learning curve and if you have no idea the beginning missions fuck you over fast putting you on a huge hole to the point you have to start over.

I shouldn't lose 20k on a mission that only pays 1500. When I get a B rank.

[whole vortex]

At no point you HAVE to start over

But it's understandable

[rapid pike]

I can't sell anything to upgrade anything

[whole vortex]

Rank does not make you get more money

It's just evaluation

Time, damage and waste of ammo

[rapid pike]

That's dumb

[whole vortex]

If you say so

[pliant tusk]

no thats capitalism XD

but yeah ammo costs is why you start with ammo efficient weapons and a laser blade, to ease off that issue early on

but @rapid pike dont worry you can get money free of risk in the arena!

there are no ammo costs there

no entry fees in this title either

which means you can just keep trying over and over without risk

[rapid pike]

I dislike the area. Worse part of the game for me.

[pliant tusk]

whats wrong with it?

[rapid pike]

Movement

[pliant tusk]

you run out of energy?

[whole vortex]

He can't dodge and aim

Fast movement and stuff

[rapid pike]

That and guy goes behind me and I take 8 seconds to turn and he just goes behind me again

[whole vortex]

You gotta keep him far away, and if he goes behind you, just dash forward to get space then turn

[pliant tusk]

you can use the map thats a circular arena, that way you dont have obstacles and can just dash behind so you dont need to turn around

[whole vortex]

The actual arena lol

[rapid pike]

I can't find a beginners guild for the game. Most say get movement down. Movement is the worse part of the game

[whole vortex]

Also the parking lot is very clutch to get easy wins

[whole vortex]

It's the learning part of the game

When you learn it, it does not feel clunky and full of stops for no reason

You get to know why stuff happens, and then you can move your ac more fluidly

[forest heart]

Maybe try to play the PS2 version? I think it should be dual analog movement

[pliant tusk]

nope, not by default

there is a romhack for it tho

its not true analog movement tho

[rapid pike]

It's the same. I already tried. I have 10 hours in game play. Another hour in research. Movement is the key according to everywhere I looked. Unfortunately movement is the games biggest flaw.

[whole vortex]

It's the game biggest design point, it's the whole learning curve

[pliant tusk]

Yeah its down to learning the booster physics, how to avoid recovery animations, and work around the turning speed as opposed to fighting it

[whole vortex]

Yep

[pliant tusk]

you'll see most high level players barely turn around, they instead reposition while correcting their view slightly

[whole vortex]

It's the best Mecha franchise I've played, because I did invest a lot of time learning to control it

[whole vortex]

Exactly, high level pvp looks so cool

How do these guys over boost so precisely

[pliant tusk]

its down to the mindset overall, its like driving a car, you dont back up with a car like you back up while walking on foot

[whole vortex]

I don't overboost with my car that's for sure

[pliant tusk]

weak

[whole vortex]

I need a better core for my car man

[civic veldt]

My car has Exceed Orbit.

[hasty walrus]

It's a lot of fun to see the ingredients that will become Dark Souls

[pliant tusk]

I dunno if i'd go that far, there are some commonalities but AC3 is way easier than dark souls

not to mention a lot more straight forward

[whole vortex]

I have no car tbh i'm just jesting

but I do want a car with weapon storage 😎

[whole vortex]

also pics or didn't happen

[civic veldt]

No one is alive to take the picture

[whole vortex]

actual Raven poping off

[sacred wren]

Man, I was enjoying this one but really hit a wall mid game

Trying to get back into it

[whole vortex]

what is kicking your butt?

[hasty walrus]

I meant more in the way FromSoft really thinks about movement and combat, how heavy things should feel and how the player might actually interact with that.
There are very popular million selling franchises that get by with really mediocre combat

[pliant tusk]

oh yeah that i can see, from soft has always been about making combat systems where movement is the key

[whole vortex]

The footsies

[forest heart]

Control were hell for me, and I can't seem to adjust it with Rapid's guide

Might skip this one

[pliant tusk]

you cant adjust it? is it cause you are playing on the PS2 version?

[forest heart]

On PSP. Still can't play it right.

[pliant tusk]

oh ok, maybe try the default controls again, its up to preference really

[whole vortex]

try it with my setup 😎

also

I don't know if you guy who are playing for the first time notice

it's very hard to move the camera because of the percieved lag

you gotta tap the camera, it's better than holding the button like in a normal analog game

going little taps to ain the camera without moving it too much

[rapid pike]

Ok update. I put some real time into the area. Pulled myself out the red and moving on.

[whole vortex]

based af

get it gamer

https://tenor.com/view/armored_core-armored-core-armored-core-vi-gif-27218108

once yo'ure out of the red and get the gamplay

it's relatively easy to stay out

some missions a little later gives you so much money it's easy to never go o nred again

I hav a 65% mission clearance rate on my save

and sill had 3.000.000 cash

[civic veldt]

Arena gets crazy in terms of cash near the end. There are fights that reward you 500,000 alone

[whole vortex]

yeah, farming the arena is the best thing to do fr

first tiers you get like 1.500 cash

but later is much better

and the arena forces you to learn the piloting stuff

because the AI does not take it easy past certain tiers

but in a environment that takes nothing from you

since the arena is free

[civic veldt]

AI is easy to cheese though. Once you've saved up some cash, it's easy to just build a mech that either counters your opponent or thrives in its environment (see parking lot) since you get to pick the arena.

@whole vortex we need a get parking lot'd idiot gif

[whole vortex]

dammit how do I make a gif

I need a small video of my tank build blasting grenades on ace

and then the texto

[rapid pike]

Gifmaker is a great place to make a gif

[whole vortex]

let me get to it 😎

[rapid pike]

What do the inside parts do?

[whole vortex]

usually they are options to extend combat

they are usable parts

just like weapons and back parts

but have more "utility" oriented functions

like decoys

[hasty walrus]

Mines, decoys, radar scramblers, really fun incendiary rockets

[whole vortex]

I would not invest on them for now tho

they are all active

and switching parts on the fly is kinda hard

my main mecha has no inside parts also

since they also add weight and energy drain

even if it's just a bit

[rapid pike]

I just found out I can bring up this screen while looking at parts and then more information later on also. I am a idiot.

[whole vortex]

bruh lol

that is the most important screen

the excel spreadsheet

you can press it again for even more info

on the part it's currentlyt selected

[rapid pike]

I thought you guys were talking about a real excel spreadsheet. I was like not doing all that

[whole vortex]

ah lol

[rapid pike]

I think it’s triangle to bring it up.

[whole vortex]

nah nah I really meant the stat screen

yep

this is what I meant

[rapid pike]

Why I was so confused on parts.

[whole vortex]

and this

[rapid pike]

Yeah I see that if you press it again

[whole vortex]

yep

triangle triangle is very important

after playing for a while

you start to notice even the small change in the numbers

that lighter wheight makes you move faster, it's not just a number that limits what you can carry

that energy recovers faster if you have high limit but lower usage

my build uses rougly 70% of alocated energy

because I use boost a lot, so I need it to recover faster

[rapid pike]

Yeah that all makes sense. But also why I was confused on parts. Trying to figure what worked with little information. I was just playing in the area and seeing how the parts worked

[hasty walrus]

it would almost be nice if they furnished you three test builds to really hammer home how differently they handle

[whole vortex]

it would be nice

[clever dove]

How many missions is the story mode?

[whole vortex]

dunno for sure :(

depends on your route also

[hasty walrus]

49 possible

[clever dove]

I just destroyed the ||massive weapon in the water level||

[whole vortex]

you know there is a secret part in that level?

[proper wigeon]

if anybody's interested in importing custom emblems, i found a couple tools
PSP: https://github.com/miyagi7716/Armored-Core-Image-to-Emblem-Converter
PS2: https://github.com/mparley/ac-emblem-tool

[whole vortex]

Very fucking nice

That's awesome

[proper wigeon]

havent had the opportunity to test them out, just did a bit of googling on the way to work lol

each gh page should list the games its compatible with

[whole vortex]

the psp one is not working :(

[whole vortex]

if anyone get's it working please ping me I have a NEED to upload my emblem

friend of mine did this for me

and I need this mf thang in

[rapid pike]

Do I just keep doing different paths?

[whole vortex]

I mean which ever you choose it's gonna move the story forwards

[clever dove]

Do the paths have any effect post game?

[civic veldt]

Pretty sure it only effects which missions you get next and some parts are only made available by high reputation with each faction. Post game you can go back and finish the other missions and get your rep high enough to unlock the parts you missed on your normal playthrough.

[civic veldt]

Now that I'm 3/3 for the month do I jump into Silent Line or jump back into RPGotQ? Hmm... I also did finish Code Geass which I'm pretty stoked on as well. A productive first few weeks of November!

[open stone]

Go RpG, and yolo the Silent Line nom

[kind jetty]

There's nothing overly exciting about the RPGOTQ, so if you've been having fun with AC might as well keep that going. It is long, though, so might wanna get started

[civic veldt]

I'm at the tree right now. I played a bit.

[kind jetty]

Oh good, you haven't gotten to the frustrating parts yet.

I need to start AC3, but I'm tempted to pivot to DDS 1 and 2 after 4 Heroes.

[civic veldt]

AC will take you significantly less time than any of those games.

[kind jetty]

Oh I'll get to it, I just might procrastinate doing so

[sacred wren]

Not if you're as bad as I am

I feel like I'm like 6 or 7 hours in and I don't think I've ever reached the halfway point

[rapid pike]

Hltb is 12 hours.

[sacred wren]

Oh wow, for some reason I had it in my head that it was 5 or 6

That makes me feel better then

[rapid pike]

It says 5 in the winner’s circle

I think I am about done with the game. I have like 18 hours in this play through. Because of trail and error and the Arena.

[civic veldt]

Congrats on pushing through, @rapid pike

[rapid pike]

It’s got fun once I understood it more. I really like that you don’t lose money selling parts back. I also made it to the B tier in the area. Area is key for new players. IMO.

[sacred wren]

What are some good weapons for burning through the arena

[random bough]

Machine gun is a good start. Should get you through your first several matches, honestly.

[civic veldt]

Honestly, just go for the heaviest stuff that gives you the most AP/defense, then nab the energy shotgun, howitzer for the other hand and just corner them in the parking lot.

[rapid pike]

I went light with a high ammo Machine gun and just learn to circle mechs.

[proper wigeon]

yeah it seems like theres something wrong with the way a file path is configured or something

:/

[pliant tusk]

the highest ammo machine gun + howitzer

[whole vortex]

Told ya 😎

[whole vortex]

Yeah this is pretty much what gets you through

Higher tier arena is a lot harder tho

Way easier to park them

[whole vortex]

I was really sad about that

[civic veldt]

@whole vortex

[whole vortex]

You actually did it

That is too powerful lol

[civic veldt]

Ace never stood a chance.

[whole vortex]

I mean he stod like 10 chances against me

But he did get parked 😎

[sacred wren]

Okay, I burned through the arena through all the C ranks and now I have money and feel like I'm moving again

[rapid pike]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[orchid gust]

I'm in the opposite situation. I feel like my build has mostly peaked, unless I'm going to unlock incredible extra parts further down the line

[orchid gust]

My AC class is only B though...

[whole vortex]

same

the classification is ass bro

mine is a B and I clean house

[orchid gust]

The destroy kisaragi forces mission is becoming extremely annoying

I'll try it one last time and if I fail again I'll just let it fail

This game I swear

[whole vortex]

lmao

[hearty marten]

I'm stuck on the "chase a target through a tunnel" mission -- I have other options but I wanna do that one

[whole vortex]

use a floating leg if you can

they are usually faster

and remove a looooot of weight from your build

so you can go faster

[hearty marten]

I don't have any money so it might not even be possible

[whole vortex]

just remove weight from your build then

also speeds you up a lot

like using just your right hand weapon

no back options

[hearty marten]

yeah I started looking into that. the back option is missiles though which lets me lock on from farther. I can like, boost til I'm almost out, get a few shots off, then walk til my boost recharges, repeat... but the missiles sometimes get caught on the twisty turny tunnel and that's why I haven't finished it yet

[whole vortex]

don't use them then

get a long range weapon

with a long range fcs

and stronger boosters

aw fuck you don't have cash

my b

farm the arena maybe?

[hearty marten]

I'll just do a different mission

[orchid gust]

These final few missions are really aimed at making me sour on this game

For ||rehito lab|| I'm struggling against the boss and if I want to change loadouts I have to play the entire mission all over again

The advice on the most highly rated faq is "just cheese it with grenade launchers lmao"

[whole vortex]

you mean the ac at the end?

[orchid gust]

Yeah

[whole vortex]

humm

I just used normal rifle, EO and lasser blade

tank build should be easier tho

missions that does not require platforming tanks are goated

I don't like them to

they waste too much money on ammo and armor

[orchid gust]

Alright, eff this game with a rusty metal stick

At least for tonight

I'm really disliking the difficulty spike towards the end, is silent line going to be like this from minute one?

[whole vortex]

nah it's kinda worse

SL is rough even if you pull up your save

[orchid gust]

What a shame

I was really enjoying the game up to this point

But it's really not fun when some builds are privileged over others

Especially given mine has been perfectly viable up until now

[whole vortex]

hard to say that

runnign a tank build if you didn't do the arena

first you can't bu the parts

second it's too expensive to run

I finished the game with one build basically

but ofc some missions are bound to be harder than others

[sacred wren]

Would you share your build

[whole vortex]

yeah I can get it but I don't recommend using it

my build is very personal

tooke me a while to learn the game, then I build around mostly aesthethic for me

and this thing only works when you know like, the ins and outs of the stats of the game

it's not very good 😎

but I'll share it

gimme a sec to get the parts

this is my whole build

I just use extensions and inside parts if I need some extra edge

or utility

I just change my right hand weapon depending on what I need

for a specific mission

and hummm

I have another ac with flaot legs

but I used it for like

4 missions on whater/lava

he don't matter

midas matters

[hearty marten]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-darksouls-artorias-sif-gif-18049886

Fashion souls is the way

[pliant tusk]

just so you know, AC3 is the easiest AC game outside of gen 4 lol

[orchid gust]

I thought the game was well balanced until these very final missions... Maybe the game just doesn't like my build

I could build a heavily armed and armored tank but then it wouldn't be the way I want to play the game, which is with a lighter mech

[pliant tusk]

yeah the mission with the cannon shield requires an agile AC

or overboosting through it like a maniac

[whole vortex]

That is not it man :(

[orchid gust]

Well then I'm just bad and frustrated at this game

[whole vortex]

Nah man it's just practice

Game is not easy at all

But I don't think it's a build issue

[pliant tusk]

nah you are not bad, failing is part of the learning process, think of it as slowly mastering the game ;)

[proper wigeon]

i feel like im stuck
i've hit a wall in the arena around the start of C-tier, and im up to the missions where ||spiders in the sewers and crabs in the labs|| and i always die really quick once i enter the actual mission area. the ||lack of any lock-on|| completely kills my ability to effectively fight
without the money from the missions i can't get what i need to move forward in the arena, and without the money from the arena i cant get what i need to move forward in the missions....
i thought getting a bio-sensing radar would help, but it didn't

[whole vortex]

I think your best bet is still trying to fight in the arena

C-tier is still somewhat easy, just pick a arena to fight in that swuits your AC better

[proper wigeon]

> c-tier
> easy

fuck me dead then

[whole vortex]

learning to aim is necessary, you can't finish the game without gatting really good at managing the camera

[whole vortex]

somewhat only ;-;

it's not easy, but the AI is still more forgiving

but you gotta learn to aim and predict enemy movement

it's pretty much essential :/

[proper wigeon]

sounds like i need a break from this game then, least for a day or so

but im worried that if i start playing smth else i wont have enough time to finish it by the end of the month

[whole vortex]

I mean, if you don't vibe with the game

It's understandable that playing something else might be more interesting

But you can push through

#believe

[random bough]

Sometimes a location change can make a big difference in the arena. Also, just being mindful of how much AP you and your opponent have left can help. I know I have a hard time keeping track of that in the thick of it for some time. Which opponent are you stuck on?

[proper wigeon]

barchetta was kicking my ass, i beat him once but then i did that ||spiders in the sewers|| mission which sent me plummetting into the red so i reloaded my save file from before i beat him

i might be able to do it again? but that cannon is a bitch

also i've literally just been doing almost every fight in the arena, even the parking lot gets in the way a lot of the time

[random bough]

So for him, it’s the grenade launchers. My strategy was to turn on enemy info in the cockpit so I could see his ammo. I just dodged the grenade launchers until he was out of ammo and then ran in for the kill. The big wide open arena called arena is easiest for this, I think.

[proper wigeon]

i wasnt able to run barchetta's ammo down

the only way i was able to deal with him was to get the biggest energy shield extension i could, then basically strafe him as much as i could while staying the fuck away and using my back missiles when i could get a lock on him

strangely enough the guy immediately after him was piss easy

took like 5 seconds for his ammo to run out and from there i just mag dumped + howitzered into him

[random bough]

What is your current loadout?

[random bough]

Yeah, this guy stopped me for a while. I was able to pretty easily clear all of c after getting past him.

[proper wigeon]

uhhhhhh

what's the best way to send that over

i can give parts numbers?

does that work

head: MHD-RE/005
core: CCH-0V-IKS
arms: MAL-303S
legs: MLR-RE/EGA (floaty legs)
fcs: PLS-ROA (horizontal, 10 locks)
generator: RGP-VE905
rad: RIX-CR14
inside: n/a
extension: KES-AEGIS (energy shield)
back units: CRU-A10 (stock radar) + CWM-S60-10
right arm unit: CWG-MG-500 (machine gun)
left arm unit: KWG-HZL50 (howitzer)
extra: OP-ECMP (lock-on jammer)

[random bough]

That’ll work. Hang on.

[proper wigeon]

i look like this

wow that's a compressed screenshot

[random bough]

I’d think you’d be able to dodge the Grenades by keeping back and circle strafing with that build, honestly.

You could try to lock on missiles while doing that to whittle him down some while dodging, but the focus should be just dodging the grenades.

[proper wigeon]

yea my problem was really that he has like 3 grenade launchers or smth, so he just kept switching between em lol

[random bough]

He has 2, 20 rounds each.

[proper wigeon]

maybe im dumb but this looks like 3 grenade launchers to me

(went back and checked)

but i managed to whittle him down to fairly low w rockets, then i just went in with the machine gun + howitzer till he went poof

[random bough]

Hmm. I thought it was 2 and the cannon. Perhaps I’m wrong. Either way, still try to stay away, dodge, and whittle him down with missiles. Once you have a high enough AP advantage, you should be able to run in and finish him off easily with the machine gun and howitzer.

[random bough]

So you beat him, or this was the first time you managed it?

[proper wigeon]

i did it once, ended up going back a save, bashed my head against the metaphorical wall that was his grenade launchers, then managed to do it again

so i'm past him now

the missions are still an issue though

[random bough]

So, just keep climbing the arena now. You should be able to clear most of c pretty easily now, and then you’ll have plenty of cash to deal with the missions for a while.

[proper wigeon]

alrighty

[whole vortex]

nice 👍

missions are very rough

you have to take damage

almost everytime

but looking at your build you can dodge pretty well using hover legs

or try to use a weapon that can oneshot enemies

they are harder to hit usually tho

[random bough]

On missions, it’s helpful to figure out how many shots an enemy takes to go down too. You can waste a lot of ammo shooting at dead things without realizing it.

Also, I’d use a a cheap ammo energy rifle for missions over say a machine gun. Rockets are also a good option, but they require manual aiming.

Rockets do like 1000 damage at a cost of 95c a shot or something like that, so they’re very cost effective if you can be accurate with them. Or they’re just awesome on stationary targets.

[hearty marten]

Did some arena grinding to D rank… got two parts out of it basically. It’s slow going, considering how many parts or even just part types there are. That’s the beauty though right, gotta work your way to the perfect build.

[whole vortex]

Yep

[hearty marten]

This Dam mission sucks donkey farts

[whole vortex]

it does

get a good boster and don't use floater legs

they are hard to land on the small platforms

[hearty marten]

[whole vortex]

since they have no friction it makes landing suuuuper hard

[random bough]

I started over last night, now that I'v really come to grips with everything. I was able to get about halfway through arena rank C and got to defend naire bridge. Realizing you can sell some beginning gear and grind the fist arena ranks before even trying a mission and switching to a pulse rifle early on has been so much better for my bank account.

[whole vortex]

yeah you gotta get some economy going then just change parts

[random bough]

Yeah, I’m rolling in cash now. First time through I did a few missions with the default core first. So much money lost on ammo.

Says something that I was able to get pretty close to where I was in a single night.

[whole vortex]

experience makes a world of difference in this game

back in the day I had started 3 saves before one actually got rolling lmao

[random bough]

Yeah, I’ve never played this one, so I went in figuring I’d restart at least once.

[whole vortex]

game is so shor that restarting knowing the first missions just to optimize ammo and armor debt is bery worth

[random bough]

I’m also using the hidden parts guide this time to make sure I snag all of them.

[civic veldt]

If you're playing the PSP version there are additional hidden parts not in the pinned list so be aware of that.

[whole vortex]

you sure?

I 100% the game following your list :(

[civic veldt]

I didn't lol

[whole vortex]

I mean, that and OP-I

were the only things I was lacking

I re-did some missions that I failed

and that was all

[civic veldt]

There were additional parts not on that list that I had to google another list for

[whole vortex]

🤨

maybe I got them accidentaly?

I did get some shit before checking the list

[civic veldt]

I heard there's a bug where you can keep getting % completion for like rekilling the ACs in some repeat missions

[whole vortex]

👀

oh shit

can you dm me the other list then?

[civic veldt]

The one that immediatly comes to mind is the weapon in the lava put in the disarm bombs mission

See if you have that one

[whole vortex]

I do

[civic veldt]

That one wasn't on the list

[whole vortex]

It was the ones I got following the guide

what

whaaa

[civic veldt]

????

I'm a'fused

[whole vortex]

very much

I'm am 100% sure I got 100% after I got the hidden parts

and OP-I

and the one on the lava

I didn't know about

but I did do that mission because I read it in a guide

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

ah

for OP-i you need to do that

I prob just saw it on the ground lol

well, acording to the guide on gamefaqs I do indeed have all the parts

[random bough]

I'll wait for a definitive answer from one of you two.

[whole vortex]

I do have all the parts, including the ones not included in rapids guide

gamefaqs seems to list all of them

[orchid gust]

Okay I might not have finished 3 yet buuut...

(I heard that V Is a better game, that's also on the list although it's more expensive on eBay here)

[whole vortex]

I have a kotobukya kit of the one on the cover :D

[civic veldt]

Too bad there's like 4 games between 3 and 4

[orchid gust]

the difference though is that I have a PS3 and it doesn't look terrible on my TV screen

With a PS2 I'd be stuck with a blurry image without a crt and a terrifying PAL50 signal

[whole vortex]

If you meant to play on OG hardware, get a CRT tv 😎

I joke, but playing ps2 on crt 4:3 is soooooooo good

[orchid gust]

I don't have the space for a CRT 😦 I'd regret getting one like three minutes after having placed it lol

So given the PS2's bad support for pal60 I'd have to deal with an interlaced signal AND bad 50hz ports

I'd rather just emulate at that point

[whole vortex]

aren't the 50hz ports just EU versions of the game?

and even so those come with the option for 60?

I dunno much about these old TV signals :(

[orchid gust]

Yeah, PAL ran at a higher resolution and with better colours but with a lower refresh rate, 50hz. Eventually some came up with PAL60, which runs at 60hz and is far more similar to NTSC (actually, IIRC some PAL60 games just literally run an NTSC signal), but support varied greatly. IIRC Dreamcast had great PAL60, GameCube had it for all main Nintendo games and Wii had almost universal PAL60. PS2 however doesn't have a lot of games worth playing that support it

If developers do a decent conversion it's bearable, though 25fps instead of 30 is rough. However many devs just slapped a quick conversion job on the games, which led to some problems (when I was a kid I thought Tidus in FFX running in slow motion was an artistic choice - it's actually a consequence of them not adjusting animations on PAL)

I'm not an expert on video signals, just did some reading on the subject

[whole vortex]

that is kinda sad

[random bough]

V is really good, but a huge component of what made it great was the online multiplayer, which has been shutdown. The single player campaign is still really fun, but the multiplayer was just epic at the time.

[whole vortex]

multiplayer you could play as OPERATOR

and that shit was legendary

such a good use of player rotation system

[random bough]

It was fantastic. I miss it.

Best thing since chromehounds.

The rock paper scissors damage types were fun too. Had to have a diverse team.

Battlefield 3 had that phone app where you could kind of play like the operator from ac v too. It was interesting.

[sturdy light]

Just played a little bit to start today

Played the first mission, absolute mess with the controls

Changed it to Rapid's recommendation, feels pretty good

[proper wigeon]

i am very glad that all of the ac3 games before nexus are available on psp, and hence remappable to that control scheme

i think they only added analogue stick control on the ps2 games with nexus so

[sacred wren]

Gotta get back to this

[whole vortex]

Nexus and last raven on ps2 have analog controls

[proper wigeon]

yeah but LR is also on psp where you can carry over your save files so

[whole vortex]

Ah yeah I meant those two have

If you played it on ps2 you can also carry over :)

[proper wigeon]

so ive finished my first ||Union|| mission, how far do i have to go till the end of the campaign? i assume im about halfway but i could be totally off-base on that

[sacred wren]

I am so bad at this game

Golly

[whole vortex]

it's practice :)

[random bough]

Yeah, definitely takes a bit to figure some stuff out, but it feels so good when you do. I’m loving it.

[sacred wren]

I hated the first few hours, there were like 2 hours in the middle where I was wrecking house and having the absolute time of my life, and now I'm getting stomped every mission and having a frustrating time again

[whole vortex]

change up the builds, try grinding the arena with the parking lots strat

some missions require more thinkering than others

[sacred wren]

I keep trying different builds. I think I'm just bad lol. I've grinded the arena as much as it will let me, it won't let me tackle the b ranks yet

[whole vortex]

no such thing

I'm gonna be honest, I knew people would not vibe with ac3

It's a huge investment for a game

learning the controls

then learning how to effectively pilot

it's very hard

but if you keep trying, there is such a good game there

just a little bit of practice

and a build that maches your playstyle

and you can do anything fr fr

[sacred wren]

Oh I can tell it's a great game. Like I said, the period where I was okay but the game hasn't really gotten hard was a blast

I'm just at a wall and it's frustrating

[whole vortex]

what missions are you on?

story wise

[sacred wren]

Spider thingy

And ticks

Which somehow seem unkillable even when I blow up the acid canisters

[whole vortex]

ah

my condolences

[sacred wren]

I have no idea what percentage through the game that is

[whole vortex]

that mission is ass

I know which one

I think everybody does lol

biological enemies are a huge spike in the game

do you have the kurasawa?

[sacred wren]

I don't think so?

[whole vortex]

best laser weapon in teh game bsically

but

if you don't have it

float legs with the 1k ammo machinegun

carries hard

just gotta learn to dodge a bit

[sacred wren]

I'm using the machine gun and float legs and I still suck 😭😭😭

[whole vortex]

what is the mission name?

I can record a run of it for you to have a basic idea

[sacred wren]

And running out of ammo on the ticks somehow

Uhhh

[whole vortex]

also good idea to have the backparts that adds20% ammo

[sacred wren]

Gimme a few and I'll grab my vita and let you know

[whole vortex]

very usefull

[whole vortex]

aah, fellow vita enjoyer

[sacred wren]

Absolutely underrated handheld

Should have taken over the world

Just didn't get the support it needed

[whole vortex]

yeah fuck sony especially for that

still have conniptions about the vitas death

Erradicare Life Forms?

[whole vortex]

alright, I just redid the mission

the trick is to wait on the upper platforms for the cannisters to drop

destroy them

go to the next room (ignore ticks for now)

destroy cannisters

go into another room

destroy the last cannisters

then go cleaning the enemies

they were dying in one hit after destroying the three clusters of canisters :)

[whole vortex]

https://streamable.com/pr6ghv

I did it way too bad now

but is just for a guide so it doesn't matter much

but this is the trick

[whole vortex]

https://streamable.com/ihb8n7

spider thing clear

dunno if there is a better way

I just blasted the fucker

@sacred wren did it no special parts

no hidden parts or anything

[sacred wren]

@whole vortex thanks. That's what I was missing on the tick level. I was destroying one rooms canisters and then trying to clear out that rooms enemies instead of destroying all the canisters first

[whole vortex]

each cannister seems to halve their durability

so destroying all three before fighting makes it way easier

also

don't be dumb like me

use a head with a biosensor this mission

I made it way too hard on myself for no reason lol

you can clear that with a Srank easy

[random bough]

Protecting the personnel convoy done. Getting the part there was a bit of a PITA. The reward was totally worth it though. Back part pulse cannon FTW.

[whole vortex]

stay pulsing gamers

[heavy olive]

alright late starter

how do-able is this in 10 days

[civic veldt]

Very

[whole vortex]

Easily

Not easily, but doable

[open stone]

Man, Float legs are broken in the arena

[whole vortex]

Tanks on the parking lot are unbeatable 😎

[open stone]

Aww man, game wont let me keep arena stomping

[whole vortex]

Reach b-rank?

[open stone]

yeah 😦

i totally forgot about altitude limits on a few missions and keep failing stuff by flying too high lol]

So I NEEDS THEM ARENA MONEY

[hearty marten]

https://tenor.com/view/garth-marenghi-darkplace-voodoo-nonsense-cat-gif-22976658

[whole vortex]

Classic lol

[random bough]

Defend Ruglen lab part seems impossible. || I’ve gotten an s rank, killed the ac, and saved both the other two friendly ACs, but I never get the part|| what gives?

[civic veldt]

Some of the parts you need a certain amount of rep to get, in addition to the extra objectove to get them, which may not be possible on your first playthrough, so you'll have to redo the mission post game to get it.

[random bough]

Doh. I replayed it a few times trying to get it.

[civic veldt]

Been there!

[orchid gust]

Finished AC3, finally

I would say I really liked it but the final five or six missions really left a bad taste in my mouth

Especially rehito labs

I think it's a good game, it's just that the difficulty curve eventually bends too far and the final few missions take as long as the first 30 ones...

[whole vortex]

Hope you guys were using biosensors on these missions

[hearty marten]

[whole vortex]

yeah I got most parts after finishing the game

since then you can just replay them for cred and the parts :)

[whole vortex]

not that big, but the latter missions are longer

[random bough]

I've made it to the germ canister mission. Wondering how much more of the story I have left?

[whole vortex]

not much I think

but the missiosn get a bit longer

[random bough]

May just have to rush through some of this. I'm about halfway through tail concerto too, really hoping to finish both off.

[whole vortex]

if you have a good build going you can just clean house

the missions are not that hard

just a bit longer

with some ass platforming sometimes

that is where the time waster lies

[random bough]

Yeah... I did the retrive the cargo from a sinking tanker already. That was annoying.

I feel like my build is decent. I modify some things for arena, but I still prioritize saving ammo to maximize profits in missions. Perhaps it's time to forego that.

[whole vortex]

if you have spare cash then it's very hard to fall back into debt

just pick some high damaging stuff

[random bough]

yeah, I've got 1 million I think right now.

[whole vortex]

dman boy

you're free to funble every mission to the end

[random bough]

lol. Well, in that case….

I could be wrong. Not sure now.

[whole vortex]

I mean that failure is an option not get yourself super dead in everymission lol

important thing is you have leniency to waste armor and ammo

[random bough]

Yeah, I definitely can stop worrying about making a profit.

[whole vortex]

yeah bby 😎

[random bough]

Yeah… I should be good.

[whole vortex]

get it gamer

boy what you playing this game on?

[random bough]

steam deck.

[whole vortex]

ah nice

[proper wigeon]

im at the ||destroy remaining kisaragi forces|| mission and the ||AC|| at the end is kicking my ass

the MTs before hand whittle down my ap to like 7-4k depending on how well i do beforehand, but it doesnt seem to matter since ||he just machine guns me to hell while i desperately try and fail to avoid the shots||

[whole vortex]

Try to get some distance

Some longer range weapons

Maybe a EO core

[random bough]

I just beat this one. My strategy was || let the consort guy get to the door first so he deals with those guys inside. You just have to handle the regular MTs. Once I got to the enemy AC, I just tried to keep my distance some so that he attacked the consort rathre than me. I machine gunned him from as far away as this was possible.|| Wondering how much further I have to go with this game at this point.

[whole vortex]

Dunno if this can go here but

https://fxtwitter.com/nainicut/status/1726929584602624119?t=I8MVUQT1R0xpg3MHEahCIA&s=19

@civic veldt

[whole vortex]

it looks so fucking nice

[pliant tusk]

the AC3 model kits are why i wanted to get into model kits to begin with

that and the white glint one

[whole vortex]

to bad the kotobukya kits are generally ass

[pliant tusk]

ik Q_Q

[whole vortex]

I do still want the white glint

it looks so goood

[pliant tusk]

bandai is doing the AC6 ones tho

[whole vortex]

yea that news was fire

can't wayt to get me a loader4

[pliant tusk]

still a shame we cant get a good kit of the AC3 AC designs without overpaying for mediocre kits

specially since they made them modular as an excuse to sell the coolest parts separately

[whole vortex]

if only kotobukya straight up copied banco like a real company

[pliant tusk]

i'd murder to have a model kit of my actual AC3 AC

[whole vortex]

same tbh

I spent so much time fine tuning it

I would get it 3d printed maybe

[sacred wren]

Ugh i really gotta plow through the rest of this one. I've beaten 20 missions, any idea how many I might have left

[pliant tusk]

i think you need to beat 30 missions or so to beat the game, skipping all the side ones you can.

[sacred wren]

Ugh. Idk if I'm gonna be able to push through this one

[pliant tusk]

missions are mostly 5-15 min long

[sacred wren]

I'm very bad though

So they take me much longer and multiple tries lol

[whole vortex]

if you have cash you can just fail to the top 😎

[sacred wren]

Did I just get betrayed?

Youch

[sacred wren]

How the heck do I take out this dude at the end of the infiltrate rehito lab level

He's destroying me

[orchid gust]

Welcome to my world

I beat him after about 35 tries by spamming grenade launchers at him until suddenly surviving once with 800AP

[sacred wren]

I just beat him but now I have 112 AP to get out

[whole vortex]

guys you can just blast in

don't think you need to kill the enemies when entering

I just bumrush him

them rush out

[sacred wren]

Good Lord that was brutal

[orchid gust]

Yeah, I had to hug corners

[orchid gust]

You have to kill him before you can get out, believe me I tried to rush out lol

Gate is locked

Though ultimately I did defeat him after an abnormal number of tries

[whole vortex]

no I meant just ignore them entering

so you have hp to take the AC then the enemies

[orchid gust]

I didn't try that, though there were a lot of tight corridors

[whole vortex]

way easier to work the weaker enemies when leaving

[orchid gust]

But I did enter the fight with like 6000AP most of the time

[whole vortex]

since you already used your HP on the big bad

[whole vortex]

lab map is relatively easy

some 3-4 open areas, with the S corridors

you just gotta quickly open those and run in

then take your time back

[sacred wren]

I DID IT

IM FREE

[whole vortex]

noice noice

well done raven 👍

[open stone]

The hell keeps screwing with my FCS? Do I need a Jammer-Jammer?

[whole vortex]

whatchu mean?

some enemies need specific head types to aim at

and there is one AC in the arena that has a part that disables lock on

uncounterable afaik

[open stone]

Nah randomly I'll get FCS error through a mission, thankfully the shotgun + blade build counters it pretty well but I'm still at a loss as to what's happening lol

[open stone]

Gettin' Jammed!

[whole vortex]

yeah

huje jams

[open stone]

Electronic Counter Measures FML.

Need to get a big boy FCS

[whole vortex]

actually

I think you still get jammed

I THINK if you use EO core it auto aims still

[open stone]

Ah oh shit yeah my head has ECM Cancellation, looks like my missiles are getting replaced with rockets

I really can't find much reason not to use CHD-07-VEN

Not the prettiest head though

[whole vortex]

cuz it's ugly

fashion or bust

[open stone]

Lmao

But Beeg body, Little Head funni

[whole vortex]

the johnny bravo build

[proper wigeon]

$30 haircut

[whole vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/lamar-franklin-lamar-roasts-franklin-gif-20079680

[open stone]

Fuckin' || Huntress!!|| I knew the mission felt off

[whole vortex]

dam straight up just real ones voting for SL lol

[whole vortex]

yo @civic veldt do you have a AC song playlist with the best bangers?

[civic veldt]

https://youtu.be/_vRP48rgdqU?si=gyovLQh5HSsScmvs

[whole vortex]

Thanks brother :)

[random bough]

I was hoping to finish this tonight. Finished infiltrating rehito lab and gotta quit for the night.

[hasty walrus]

I need a one month break, Silent Line will absolutely slap in January

[random bough]

I could do another, honestly. But I broke this one up all month with tail and Valken.

[pliant tusk]

wait people are voting to extend mecha month? lmao

it just had to happen during my exams Q_Q

[whole vortex]

Like 6 or 7 people lmao

[pliant tusk]

WE WILL WIN

i dont think i can vote sadly

[random bough]

you can... if you talk more.

[errant cloak]

Vote Booster: Vote now for a 10% boost. https://arcane.bot/vote

[random bough]

oh, you should be able to vote.

[pliant tusk]

is that how it works? lol

[random bough]

Yeah. You have to have the right role, and the roles are based on xp. Just makes sure people don't create a bunch of alt accounts and vote with those.

[civic veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URRnW2tqzKg

If this song doesn't make you bop in your chair, we can't be friends.

[whole vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-uporot-brazil-gif-13264739

[pliant tusk]

actually why not vote for nexus instead? that way we arent screwing over people that didnt participate the previous month

[whole vortex]

because we would definetly screw people over by making them play nexus

I like but that shit is ass

[pliant tusk]

really? i never finished it lol

couldnt get used to the new controls

[whole vortex]

they are suposed to be easier but once you settle on the old control scheme

the new one feels wack

[random bough]

And done. Great time. Such a good series. May spend some more time in the arena to finish out the a ranks, but I don’t know. Had plenty of money without.

[open stone]

why does it remind me of Ape Escape?

Can we talk spoilers yet? or should we wait for the wee hours of Nov 30?

[whole vortex]

I mean, if you want to practice and stuff

or get the OP-I part for when SL wins (hopefully)

[pliant tusk]

if not you are not gonna get it until you get 100% in SLP and thats waaaaaaaay more of a pain

[whole vortex]

i don't use op-i

I just wanted 100% lol

I just said that because people might want to farm it since it does help somewhat on SL

stillrather just build up my thing

the only cool part of op-i is to use back mounted weapons on bipedals

[pliant tusk]

SL is pretty hard as is, any help is good.

[whole vortex]

true

even tho I think some OPtional parts are better than straight up using op-i

since using it just fully uses your optinal slots

[pliant tusk]

eh, i dunno, the stat bonuses mean that only very edge cases would benefit from not using it

like the energy weapon optional parts are a must for the karasawa but the generator boosts from OPi are just better

[whole vortex]

I guess we will agree to disagree

I just like it for the back weapon functionality

I wish that was a optional separated from it

never really felt that I needed more energy than what I have, using EO cores so

[pliant tusk]

overboost cores are hell of a lot more energy intensive, specially during the arena when you need them multiple times

OP-I is the difference between doing 1 overboost and going on recharge vs 1 overboost and going on red zone

[whole vortex]

I think using overboost conservatively is the difference

or having a diff gen

I do get that OP-I helps a fucking lot

[pliant tusk]

yeah but in gen 3 just turning on overboost generates a fuck ton of heat so you need a decent radiator

[whole vortex]

yeah, building is a huge part

[pliant tusk]

so its better to do one big overboost and red zone during the arena

[whole vortex]

not just slaping OP-I and woop done

[pliant tusk]

OPi helps in another way then, it lets you sortie while overburdened

[whole vortex]

ah really

I didn't know that

[pliant tusk]

which lets you bring a fuck ton of weapons for arena or specific missions (massive MT comes to mind)

[whole vortex]

pog

[pliant tusk]

and then drop them

[whole vortex]

can you pick up droped weapons?

[pliant tusk]

the back plasma cannon in particular is really good

[pliant tusk]

no but you can just empty them on the enemy and then drop them for 0 downside

[whole vortex]

hum

can't see the use for deploying overburdened since most enemies can and will blast your ass quickly

but it's nice that you can do that

I don't run tank builds th

[pliant tusk]

its niche but its useful for arena battles cause most heavy weapons that are not worth using otherwise you can add to a lightweight, empty them on the enemy as soon as the battle starts, and the continue as usual

[whole vortex]

so I prob have a bad take on this

[pliant tusk]

again i must stress, it doesnt matter how overburdened lol

[whole vortex]

even if you're gonna miss and waste time?

[pliant tusk]

cant miss if you are shooting a fuck ton of explosives

its free damage, specially on extra arena when you have someone to distract the enemy

this is even more useful in SL where the arena opponents are a lot tankier

[whole vortex]

alright, you can also just deploy overwight withoug op-i

just tested it

[pliant tusk]

yeah but you cant move

its useless

[whole vortex]

you can move

very slow

but you can

[pliant tusk]

brb

[whole vortex]

I just opened the game to test lol

[pliant tusk]

i need to check the exact wording

[whole vortex]

started the mission

and I can move albeight slowly

without op-i

even boost

[random bough]

I didn’t even think you could deploy overweight. Hmm.

[whole vortex]

you can, but you gotta be smart with it

some mission or arena you can quickly use it and drop it

[pliant tusk]

oh wait i was mixing it up, i was thinking of the move while shooting cannons, cause i used dual grenade launchers that are back mounted.

[whole vortex]

yeah bruv that is what I said from the beggining, the best part of op-i

[pliant tusk]

as far as missions i cant really think of anything on AC3 besides the massive MT fight

[whole vortex]

is using backmonuted weapons on bipedals/float while moving

[pliant tusk]

tbf blade waves are pretty good too

[whole vortex]

yeah, less usefull tho since the hitbox is kinda weird

it only hits in the middle more or less

at least that also applies to ace lol

[pliant tusk]

really? i never had an issue, if anything the hitbox is silly big

maybe its an emulator issue?

[whole vortex]

don't think it would be that

but I guess it's just perception diff

still, that just makes op-i a crutch to avoid good "building practices"

imo

not saying you should not use it or anything

you can achieve almost the same result just building normally

besides mounted weapons moving on bipedals/float

[pliant tusk]

i mean most of my OP-I experience is with SLp so that might be it, because the new parts in that game are a hell of a lot heavier and more EN hungry

like the karasawa MK2 just fucking eating into your energy bar

[whole vortex]

yeah that is the point

downsides and stuff

I played it without op-i

I just got it this month for the first time

actually just becaise rapid hyped me up for it

[pliant tusk]

eh, for me AC is about working around the downsides as much as you can, either by building or piloting, and OP-I is part of that

[whole vortex]

yeah, working around the downsides for me is not using a "cheat" part

bit then again, agree to disagree

[proper wigeon]

how the FUCK do i do this massive mt fight

[whole vortex]

get a machinegun and keep boosting and praying

do the bunny hoppies

[proper wigeon]

i have float legs

[pliant tusk]

either you dodge a lot or you tank hits, mid weights dont do well in this fight

[whole vortex]

yeah you can sill bunny hop

[proper wigeon]

bunny hop seems to work weird on floaties

[whole vortex]

but you can just hold left and fire

[whole vortex]

it is a bit weirder

[pliant tusk]

yeah not much of a point, i'd suggest switching to tank or reverse joint

[whole vortex]

mine did tho 😎

[proper wigeon]

what about the 10 trillion missiles and homing rockets(?????????)

[whole vortex]

dodging it is not that hard

[whole vortex]

gotta boost forward when they are about to hit