Anbernic RG35XX SP

[proper chasm]

Credit to @fierce bone for being the first to share this

[tired wedge]

We must wait for the rest of Brother Zhou to be revealed.

[rough cape]

What if they add the same hall sliders like the ones on the Retroid Flip?

[lament gull]

I'm not gonna lie I'd buy this in a heartbeat over miyoo just because I don't have to bump against a stick

[rough cape]

Hopefully the form factor doesn't compromise battery life.

[still imp]

No sticks is glorious

[livid mason]

buy a miyoo flip if u need more controls

[rough cape]

Low battery life (3-4hrs) is fine if it has faster charging.

[livid mason]

having as much different options as possible is even more glorious :))

[still imp]

Nah take the poorly placed sticks and throw em in the trash

[livid mason]

no need for this to be like the miyoo flip

[livid mason]

i agreee

[still imp]

I think we are on the same boat?

[livid mason]

we're on the right boat

ofc

[tired wedge]

honestly i know some would say they would rather see the analogs on it

but yea i agree id like without them

[rough cape]

I mostly play turn based rpgs so no sticks is fine with me too.

[livid mason]

send them this

everyone gets what they want

[lapis dome]

Wtb an actually good res for gba.

If we wind up with three gba sp clones and none of them integer scale gba we’re in the bad place

[still imp]

GBA on 3.5 is completely fine, and obviously 4:3 will bang

[lapis dome]

More concerned about res than size

I made the mistake of looking for the shimmer effect of non-integer 2d game scaling on side scrollers and now I cannot unsee it

[full pagoda]

someone's called it the clambernic already, i hope

[proper chasm]

Clambernic (Anbernic Clamshell Device)

[sinful ruin]

Honestly, I fell in love with this render just cause every detail is just like the GBA SP, down to the power and charging LEDs and the beveled control wells and the dimples around the bezel of the screen.

I know ish may change in production like with the ARK but damn I hope they keep it just like this

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-homelander-meme-the-boys-tiktok-gif-26783322

Cmon 'Bernic don't fumble this one

[proper chasm]

yeah looks like they're indeed nailing down every last detail

at first I wondered why the face buttons were rotated but realized that this is the exact look they're going for

[sinful ruin]

absolutely love the F button/menu button where the backlight toggle was too

[sinful ruin]

YES

[wintry totem]

Wow side by side, it looks really truly inspired! Can’t wait to see if this is real~

[sinful ruin]

inspired is putting it lightly 😂

[mossy star]

Anbernic’s gotta offer this in silver, right? Right?

[misty mulch]

crazy, not even released the arc yet and teasing the next one

[lapis dome]

this is like number 5 or 6 for devices teased and not released from them

[tired wedge]

I mean

That's just anbernic

[sinful ruin]

what else is pending? win. 701 doesnt count

[lapis dome]

rg arc, 35xx plus, rg506, rg406 have all been teased on baidu by max zhou but not released yet

the win701 and whatever that portrait 2ds style NDS emulator too but those are obviously not coming anymore

[half escarp]

what is time the portrait 2ds style NDS emulator rumor first come out?

[lapis dome]

that one was like a LONG time ago

it was supposed to be the follow up to their k101 or whatever GBA hardware clone

it was supposed to literally be an NDS hardware clone that could use a flash cart or straight up take NDS carts

so I figure if you count the win701 and the NDS hardware clone for 0.5 each you get 5 devices max zhou has posted about and not delivered on

[normal scaffold]

hmmm...i don't know this design seems like it's lacking something for me

wait let me fix it

there you go, if it looked something like that im hooked

[lapis dome]

I am all for 6 button handhelds but not like this…

[normal scaffold]

i always wanted something like a full package, for the controls, like if it had like a screen as big as the 405, id definitely go for a layout like this

i mean could do a proper 3D render of that, but it would take too much of my time

like i took inspiration for this

i remember when I first saw that I was amazed

[lapis dome]

I just want a retroid pocket 1S using a flip slider instead of a stick

That’s my ideal 4:3 6 button handheld tbh

A pocketable vertical one

That plays n64

[hard raptor]

it looks ungoldy cheap, like datafrog sf2000 competitor

[lapis dome]

It’s just a render

[stark niche]

didnt see this coming

[proper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/percent-arabica-coffee-gif-11777651

[umbral pilot]

Clambernic is the best possible name

[gloomy kiln]

Ugh maybe I should cancel my Odin 2 pre-order, because I know damn well that either this or the Miyoo are gonna be day-one purchases for me.

And part of me is totally in love with them angling the face buttons SP-style, but I might have to get a bit creative with SNES button mapping (I'd probably re-map everything to be 90 degrees clockwise, since I don't think Y + B as run + jump would work very well on this arrangement).

[proper chasm]

I don't recommend cancelling your odin 2 for this because these SP style clamshell devices are totally different handhelds from the odin 2 lol

it makes total sense to own both and I say that as a non-collector

but then again if you don't really care much for android and 5th or 6th gen emulation I guess why not lol

[gloomy kiln]

Totally--I think I count as a collector if you include original hardware, but a non-collector if you only include Chinese emulation devices (rg353p and miyoo mini).

I'm most likely ditching the Miyoo Mini no matter what, but the rg353p is sticking around for the time being, as I don't think the Odin 2 is ideal for 8- and 16-bit emulation.

[sinful ruin]

My guess is 353 SP for the name, unless it has a better chip but I’d be confused if this had like a 618 with no sticks 😅

[still imp]

353sp is a hot name as well

[minor latch]

353sp is a smart name!

[gloomy kiln]

It's a cool name but I think it would be confusing given the existence of the 353ps.

[lapis dome]

I doubt this will a 3566 either

Presumably the same ‘mystery chip’ as the 35xx plus

[gloomy kiln]

I wouldn't be surprised if they went with a non-numeric name, like the did with the Arc.

[lapis dome]

RG35CC

[gloomy kiln]

Since both devices are essentially defined by their unique form factor.

[fierce bone]

Would make sense. Something like RG Pocket

[lapis dome]

RG CHOWDER

Please

Can come in clam grey/beige, corn yellow, or New England blue

I’m sure this marketing strategy will be a slam dunk in china and Europe

Max Zhou hit me up for consulting

[full pagoda]

RG Bargy

[lapis dome]

I dunno if that pun would work in mandarin

RG FOLD is probably more likely since both miyoo and retroid have a flip now

[fierce bone]

Tbh I'm still not sure that render being "leaked" on the same day as Miyoo showing a prototype is not just Max being a troll

[lapis dome]

It almost certainly is

It’s probably a render from a 7 year old scrapped hardware clone or something

One or two devices teased on baidu but with no official anbernic vids or anything is reasonable

4+ is max being silly

[fast python]

I'm kinda disappointed ngl

That button layout is turning me off

I don't get it

It's the same as an sp and a flash cart

[still imp]

I love this layout

Bangs pretty hard

[lapis dome]

I’m a little worried the skewed square instead of the diamond might suck for run and jump snes platforming

[still imp]

Should be solid, as well button remapping if you really want to

[gloomy kiln]

I'm thinking you'd want to remap the buttons in such a way that the face buttons are rotated 90 degrees clockwise.

Of course that wouldn't be ideal for the "secondary" action button (e.g. A to spin jump in SMW)--in fact you might even want to remap that to R.

Which, yeah, not ideal.

[still imp]

Oh dude I way prefer that versus a. SNES had some unoptimal mappings imo

[fast python]

It's finally catching on

Let's goooooo

[unborn shard]

Hello I would like 1 clambernic with the rgb30 screen pls

I have 💵

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[hidden cave]

this reminded me about the P60

[minor latch]

Those actionbuttons look weird positioned?!

[lapis dome]

yeah, they kept the GBA SP A+B angle then added two more parallel for X+Y rather than switching to a diamond SNES layout

more authentic GBA SP emulation controls wise (on a 4:3 screen with a mediocre res for GBA) at the cost of worse layout for SNES/PS1

[lament gull]

It being 4:3 is very funny

[austere coyote]

Face button layout looks not good for old games.

Holding run and jump for Mario etc.

[tardy snow]

I hate the skewed buttons

[worthy jasper]

I really hope they don’t stick to the buttons

It’s nice to see them using the GBA hinge design, I think for this it works much better than a ds style one

[edgy gyro]

Still super excited for this

[crisp cloak]

Whichever clamshell comes out without a stick is the one I'm getting.

Who wants the stick? Please let us know.

[proper chasm]

no one following this channel lol

[crisp cloak]

😆😆😆

[proper chasm]

ask the peeps in #1101304832276562012

[crisp cloak]

LMFAO

I'm just in here honking about and y'all like:

"Goose in there lol. Should we tell him? Give him a few hours to see if he realizes he's by himself. -six hours later- He is still in there honking. Someone go get him lmao"

[lapis dome]

I don't mind the sticks. They're fully recessed and it's a clamshell so they don't get in the way

[crisp cloak]

Fully recessed is sexy so I'm in now lol

[edgy gyro]

This or Miyoo comes out first take your bets.

[fluid narwhal]

I don't know if this even exist or is close to being made

So obviously this over anything from Miyoo

[edgy gyro]

After anbernic made the ARC. I think any handheld with little info is going to come out.

[lapis dome]

hopefully that includes the RG406

[edgy gyro]

do we have pics of the rg406?

[lapis dome]

no

just max zhou saying it's as cheap or cheaper than the 405m, has a 960x720 screen, and has a d1200

I don't even care about the d1200 I just want a pocketable 960x720

preferably dpad top

[edgy gyro]

Oh, I feel like once anbernic has pics out the device will come out.

[misty mulch]

is it 4" ?

[north spade]

Give us a 3:2 screen and they’ve got a winning GBA console.

[rough cape]

4" 3:2 would be glorious, and a metal hinge.

[edgy gyro]

Good luck on those wishes. 4:3 3.5inch is what I foresee this having. I hope I am wrong and we get a good 3:2 in it.

[hard raptor]

no info on chipset?

although 99.999% its rk3566

so why am i asking

[north spade]

Yeah I don’t have my hopes up for a 3:2 screen. But one can hope

[snow osprey]

I just need a clamshell emulation console to come out…..

[edgy gyro]

RPflip, V90, x18/s, gpd xd/+ or a Duo are all there.

[snow osprey]

With good build quality I meant

V90 is good except screen aspect and build but hey it’s cheap af

[edgy gyro]

RPflips are good now that they fixed the hindges

[snow osprey]

They did?

[edgy gyro]

Yes like months ago.

[snow osprey]

Nice. I have the first batch one sitting in my drawer so it’s still fragile. Scared to use it at all

[edgy gyro]

Spank Dan had one for sale for a decent price.

[edgy gyro]

If it breaks the Retroid server guy Chris Covers will fix it for ya. He is in the usa.

[lapis dome]

I should’ve ordered a 16 bit US flip for Black Friday

Ah well

there’s always lunar new year

[hard raptor]

AND NOW THERE MIGHT BE AN ANBERNIC CLAMSHELL?! I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY ALL THESE HANDHELDS

Actually, that button placement looks kind of jank, not sure about this one if that render is accurate

[gloomy kiln]

They're mimicking the angle of the A and B buttons on the GBA SP.

Which is kinda cool if that's mainly what you're playing, but yeah, could be kind of awkward for playing something with a four-bottom controller (e.g. SNES).

[lapis dome]

GBA SP button angle but still using a 4:3 640x480 screen would be a really unfortunate combo

Since the controls scream ‘use me for GBA’ but the screen screams ‘PS1’

[hard raptor]

It’s not a huge deal to play 10:9 or 3:2 content on a 4:3 display. Neither is a terrible stretch or you could just use the native aspect ratio and still not lose that much space

[lapis dome]

I agree on aspect but I want integer scaling for gba

960x720 would be the greatest res in handheld history

[hard raptor]

What’s that, 3X integer?

The one thing I kind of miss about the RG351P was that it was a baller for GBA ._.

It had a pretty low-res screen but that integer scale was

[lapis dome]

Would be 4x for gba

The great thing about 960x720 is that it would integer scale basically anything before the 480p era (dreamcast, gamecube, ps2)

Psp, gameboy, gba, ps1, genesis, etc

[edgy gyro]

I think this will release the begging of summer.

[amber valve]

How come they will try to release this after seeing miyoo's flip? Which has analog sticks and better stock os?

[lapis dome]

That’s anbernic’s whole schtick - release stuff that feels like it should’ve come out a year ago with the worst software of all time so it isn’t even worth using for another 3-12 months

[amber valve]

I would buy that if it could ran Android in it

[floral kiln]

I'd prefer no sticks

So this is fine

[full pagoda]

yeah no-stick brings it closer to what it's inspired by

not what i'm after, but i'd probably direct people with SP nostalgia to this first

[lapis dome]

It’s anbernic so it’ll probably take 6 months just to get software to a passable level unfortunately

The 35xx plus is an absolute disaster atm

[hard raptor]

really? even with garlic os 2 beta?

if yes then shame bc hardware is very capable

[fierce bone]

Yeah, I wouldn't buy an Android-less handheld at this point

[lapis dome]

The garlic alpha can’t even use the GPU

So no shaders, nothing above ps1

You’re downgrading it to a MM+ with “we have onionOS at home”

Oh no wifi in garlic either I think

So really just downgrading it to a 35XX (not plus)

[fierce bone]

At which point I don't understand why bother with rg35xx+ when rg353v exists

[lapis dome]

The software for the 35xx+ might eventually be good

But yeah seems like a lot of work just to make a slightly worse 353VS with no sticks

[hard raptor]

oooof

[lapis dome]

I don’t know why they chose the h700

[hard raptor]

price

[fierce bone]

Best case scenario is Garlic, which is supposed to come for rk3566 at some point

[lapis dome]

Instead of something already well supported

[hard raptor]

30 usd less

only just a software is pure shite

[lapis dome]

I don’t like how they changed the screen either

Did the beveled edge thing that makes screen protectors not fit right

While the 353VS/OG 35xx has the perfect flat slightly recessed screen that makes screen protectors go on flush and perfect

[rough cape]

Same, I wouldn't trade great Android standby/sleep unless it can do something like this:

[chilly scaffold]

If they make a clamshell anbernic, it's gotta have joysticks, that clamshell design is perfect For protecting them in pockets

[lapis dome]

Yeah, funny to think that the miyoo flip addresses all the complaints about the 353VS and the anbernic clamshell does not

[fierce bone]

What are those complaints though? I can only think of the sticks thing

[lapis dome]

Sticks and the protruding shoulder buttons make it less pocketable than it could’ve been

The miyoo flip is straight up a 353vs folded in half, the anbernic clamshell removes the sticks, probably uses another “mystery SoC”, and messes with abxy layout

[fierce bone]

Then again, it's not like RK3566 would help them on software front at this point

[lapis dome]

That’s fair, miyoo not burning bridges is also a huge point in their favour

[hard raptor]

i swear at this point anbernic is becoming powkiddy 2.0

[lapis dome]

Powkiddy gets dev support

[fierce bone]

And doesn't choose chips that weren't used by anyone else

[edgy gyro]

If retroid/AYN decied to make a linux handheld its all over.

[fierce bone]

Pretty hard to see why they would need that

[edgy gyro]

I guess

[north spade]

I’d choose this over the Miyoo flip BECAUSE there are no sticks lol. It’s nice having options. Want sticks, go with Miyoo not this

[main mural]

No sticks is the reason I would choose this over the miyoo flip

[fierce mason]

Absolutely my only reason

[umbral pilot]

I'd have considered the Miyoo with sliders, but sticks kill it for me. The controls seem high up to give room for the sticks too

[lapis dome]

Looks fine to me

Higher up = less reach to the shoulders and more chin underneath which both help with ergo imo

The start and select placement is the only questionable thing imo

Actually the dpad and ABXY look about the same height on the miyoo and the anbernic too

Start and select weirdly low on the anbernic as well despite no sticks forcing them to do that

If the anbernic is 3:2 then the ABXY tilt and lack of sticks along with being 3:2 would make this the purist GBA SP emulator handheld

If they’re both 4:3 they’re both pocket PS1 devices and miyoo’s layout makes more sense imo

[edgy gyro]

Will it come in this color way

[lapis dome]

I hope so

But probably not

[main mural]

Nah those sticks are useless and will get in the way. I can see myself accidentally hitting the sticks during gameplay.

[umbral pilot]

No way they can move that much, so not going to be good for nuanced movement. I feel like I could get better detail out of a slider.

[lapis dome]

They’re fully recessed and look to be lined up the same as on the 353vs. I’ve never accidentally bumped the sticks on the VS fwiw.

But yeah I don’t really care whether we get sticks or not so the real deciding factor in this clamshell battle for me will be firmware support

MinUI, onionOS, or arkOS are mandatory for an every day pocket handheld for me

[fierce mason]

That thing will be small. Reach shouldn't even be a consideration 😅

[rough cape]

I think metal version makes the most sense on a flip handheld. It easily resolves the hinge issue. Might make it too heavy though.

[warm swallow]

Interesting

[rapid fossil]

I think if we are getting a Miyoo flip with sticks, this should probably stick to leaving them out as clearly there are people who do want sticks and other who definitely don't

[umbral pilot]

I'm going to look forward to russ comparing the clambernic and the miyoo flip

[inner lintel]

What custom OS can we expect for this after release?

[rough cape]

Wondering about custom OS options too. I heard devs dropped Anbernic support. Hopefully at least 1 Emulation Station based CFW comes out for it.

[misty mulch]

TheRetroArena has been supporting linux side for RG Arc

so we'll see for this one

[hard raptor]

nobody knwos what soc will it have

[crisp cloak]

I didn't even know they fixed the hinges. I guess I'll try out the flip 2 whenever it shows up. 🤷

[still imp]

Any updates on the superior no sticks clamshell?

[rapid fossil]

2024 q3.6

[rotund notch]

Chat is this real?

[edgy gyro]

Why hasn't anyone uploaded the photo max leaked.

[fluid narwhal]

That's a good chip for the form factor

Should be cheaper as well

Excited

Are those SP shoulder buttons?

[lapis dome]

ugh more closed source h700?

[edgy gyro]

I took from the RH Facebook group. The guy who posted it is a good source.

[lapis dome]

I hope that power switch is fake

I thought we evolved beyond those power switches instead of being able to properly shut down in one go with the button a while ago

[edgy gyro]

If you want that SP feel and look.

[lapis dome]

I mean the end result is a v90 style shutdown process

where you have to shutdown in software then move the physical power switch

[edgy gyro]

Oh well.

[lapis dome]

and if you do it out of order or forget a step you kill your sd card or your battery

[full pagoda]

considering all the nostalgia chasing this device is going for, i think it's fine for this one to do it

but the miyoo shouldn't

[lapis dome]

anbernic moving backwards if it still has a multistep shutdown process instead of a single button that will save and safe shutdown

[edgy gyro]

I do it out of order on my V90 and never killed a SD card or battery

[full pagoda]

i mean, the switch could also trigger safe shutdown

no reason it has to instakill the power

and if me, a guy with no tech skill, can think of that just after waking up way later than intended, hopefully max zhou can too

[lapis dome]

hope so but that would be another 'quirk' that hasn't been done before, which is bad if they don't share source

[edgy gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-here-we-go-again-oh-dear-omg-alright-then-gif-20490490

[full pagoda]

yeah ideally they'd do that, but i never expect that when anbernic announces something

[lapis dome]

I don't think that pic is real

it has a copyright on the side

I think that's a custom GBA SP shell

[full pagoda]

"produced by EXSTRINE Anime Create"

[edgy gyro]

It might not be. The guy who posted it got it off one of Chinese social media sites.

[lapis dome]

yeah this is another transparent black reshell (this one from etsy)

[full pagoda]

maybe it's ~inspiration~

[lapis dome]

it would be incredibly dumb for the 35XX plus and 35XX 'SP' to use a different style of power switch if that's the only thing stopping the same firmware from running on both

[full pagoda]

you know. how you need to look at a transparent black GBA SP to think "what if we did that"

[lapis dome]

I hope at least one of the clamshells we're getting can boot/shut down in response to the lid being opened/closed

along with a CFW that can do auto save/auto load that would be the dream for a quick bit of play here and there EDC handheld

(as long as CFW fixes the long boot time on the h700)

[magic narwhal]

No long boot times here.

[edgy gyro]

Long boot times?

[lapis dome]

The stock 35xx plus has a longer boot time than the 35xx non-plus or MM+

[edgy gyro]

Like how long? I can live with 1 min boots. If it’s longer than it might be a problem

[lapis dome]

Like 45 seconds compared to the 20-ish of the competition, so it sounds like that’s fine for you but it would bother me (it’s probably firmware related though so hopefully fixable regardless)

For me these 3.5” pocketable handhelds are the kinda thing I often only use for 5-10 minutes at a time while waiting on a timer, lunch break, waiting while my partner runs into a store, etc

If I’m sitting down for 30+ mins I have an odin 2, steam deck, etc

Gotta get that one round of 40 lines tetris dx in while 💩

[magic narwhal]

It's about 6-10 seconds for muOS on the PLUS and OG. Even less without verbose boot and logging enabled.

[lapis dome]

That’s great to hear

Must just be their janky clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of batocera ES causing the slow boot

[fierce bone]

Damn, what if Max is just trolling Miyoo so that they release the damn thing already

Doing God's work

[livid mason]

The moment I saw how the rg405v looks like, I knew, max never trolls

[lapis dome]

So where’s my 960x720 rg406!!!???

[livid mason]

We both no one can source that screen

No need to be hopeful 😔

[wooden orchid]

It's so sad, since that probably would be the 4:3 endgame. But we will just have to deal with low res sreens for 4:3 devices

[sterile flame]

Shut down or go into sleep mode? Because there is no reason post DS that a handheld should have to completely shut down when you close the lid.

[lapis dome]

For a Linux arm device that isn’t mainline I’d rather have a safe save and shutdown script like onionOS/minUI/arkOS than try to use sleep on a rockchip/allwinner/whatever

And I don’t see anbernic going mainline FOSS with the h700

[mint breach]

Interesting

[still imp]

This would truly make the device a banger

[untold ibex]

honestly if they stick to the no analog stick thing, i might get this

i just want a better gbasp

and at the rate anbernic is announcing devices it's only a matter of time for them to show this one

[crystal stone]

maybe the official name for clambernic, maybe a separate device entirely
who knows, its anbernic anyways

[fierce mason]

Transparent black. I'll take it

[lapis dome]

Pretty sure that’s fake

It has a random copyright stamped into it - I think it’s just a gba sp reshell

Also a physical power switch instead of a button

[still imp]

This man gets it

[hard raptor]

Also the two LEDs

[untold ibex]

that's honestly all I wanted out of the Miyoo clamshell. a GBASP that can play up to PS1. I don't need nor will i use the extra power really so analog sticks are just in the way

[fierce mason]

That's why the clambernic will sell better.

[candid bronze]

all will depend on the price and what CFW they get

[fierce mason]

True. But I'm not paying extra for a device with sticks. I will, however, pay for a device that has onion and not garlic.

[candid bronze]

yeah that's my take

[lapis dome]

I’ll pay maybe $5 extra for sticks as long as they don’t get in the way. I’ll pay a significant amount extra for good open source firmware like onion or arkOS, especially if it gets portmaster

[candid bronze]

well since it's a flip device, they're probably recessed sticks

so they shouldn't get in the way, but I've been surprised before

[untold ibex]

I just think they’re an eyesore in a device where I could never realistically use them comfortably

Not for any significant amount of time

[still imp]

Ngl just the look of them in it is atrocious

Also looks like god awful placement, and if it’s mimicking the sp I’d rather do without

[candid bronze]

but yeah I wish they weren't there

since no systems apart from Ape Escape is gonna use them

[still imp]

Besides we have dpad only devices that go up to ps1 and maybe some n64 ala rg35xx and miyoo mini, and no one needs sticks on those

For what chip is likely in this it will do fine without sticks

[candid bronze]

it's probably the same as MM+

[lapis dome]

The miyoo flip is a 3566

So it’ll play a fair bit of n64, DC, psp, etc

Not to mention things like doom

The clambernic will probably be the h700 so only slightly weaker but no idea if we’ll get portmaster on it

Playing stardew valley on a gba sp clone sounds sick

[candid bronze]

welp that's gonna be a skip

[soft tide]

🔥👀

[candid bronze]

I do hope they use regular diamond shape instead of that weird angle

I get what they were going for but that just seems awkward

[lapis dome]

What would you rather have in a portable Linux arm handheld?

[candid bronze]

not a 3566

though you do bring up a good point

we need a new chipset to replace it

[obtuse wraith]

How do they get away with such a similar design?

[mossy nest]

China is not exactly known for upholding copyright laws and whatnot

[untold ibex]

Looking at that image it seems to be using the same dpad from rhe 35xx plus and maybe the buttons. That would btw great since custom buttons are the same

[rough cape]

Do we have a community spreadsheet that lists the top games per system (50-100), can be filtered by genre and also indicates if playable without sticks = yes/no?

[misty mulch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/112l0zithCgB3pQRxW9NJwoayHTo60lRziXgg4_Ck3ko/htmlview I made this a while ago for DC

no genre filtering though

[lapis dome]

What do you mean? Any design patents for the gba SP would be expired by now and the there would be no “trade dress” argument to be had when Nintendo hasn’t sold anything looking even vaguely like this for decades.

Copyright would protect logos etc (art) but doesn’t protect button layout or corner angles

[vagrant mauve]

also, it's china, they could sell something that's a 1:1 switch shape and be fine probably

[polar ivy]

Powkiddy do that, and ship it with roms.

https://powkiddy.com/en-uk/products/powkiddy-x51-5-0-inch-ips-800-480-screen-retro-handheld-game-console-supports-hd-output-multiplayer-childrens-gifts

[rapid fossil]

The other option is a 3326/s I suppose?

Until the 3588 is being used in devices

[slim zinc]

Miyoo will have onion os so it wins by default

[still imp]

Two sticks 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[fierce mason]

This is where I also struggle

but I do not like garlic even a little bit. not even sure why. I own 35xx and mm+ and I'd hands down rather use the mm just for the os

[edgy gyro]

MinUI for everything like that. Only cool thing about garlic is having your own boot screen image. That is where it starts and stops for me

[still imp]

Tbf I have not tried garlic. But I’m not someone who particularly cares about the cfw unless it’s really bad stock fw

[untold ibex]

If this is using the same chipset as the 35xx or even the 35xx+ but clamshell at least garlic will work from the get go, in theory.

So it’s got that at least

[candid bronze]

well last I checked, garlic doestn't work on any of the new RG35XX models

[violet sand]

isnt garlic support the latest rg35xx plus? they update garlic 2.0 for rg35xxplus..
i think garlic can support rg35xxplus, rg35xx H, and maybe this clambernic (if they use the same processor)

[candid bronze]

ok checked, it supports the + now yeah

[lapis dome]

Unless the shell says retroid or ayn the stock firmware is gonna be bad though

[still imp]

Yeah that’s fine, I never stay stock anyways

For these more budget items

[rapid fossil]

This is how I feel about these cfw too

If it works and looks decent, it's all good

It also usually helps that most my time is in game and not scrolling and tinkering 😂

[edgy gyro]

Why I love MinUI for these handhelds. Simple easy to read text. Simple way to get into a game fast.

[fierce mason]

I buy my devices based on cfw options haha. Maybe I'm in the minority

[lapis dome]

Software is just as important as hardware tbh

Either one can be a deal breaker

[fierce mason]

I no longer buy devices that don't have cfw options. I don't like a company locking me out of options. Maybe I just want MinUI. Maybe I want Onion, or Garlic or any other such thing

I also like to switch between them. It's almost like having a new device, refreshes my experience

[rapid fossil]

Yeah I think you guys missed the point. Good cfw matters, yeah, but if it's good enough, then it's good to go (not stock ui)

Don't need an absolutely perfect cfw because one doesn't exist, just needs a GOOD cfw in a GOOD device and we gucci

But yeah, considering alot of people here spend most their times in menus and tinkering, I get your point

[fierce mason]

No one missed the point. People just like options. I don't care how perfect the stock experience is. I like to tinker with new software on my hardware 🙂

[fierce bone]

I’m just happy we’re almost out of the drama swamp that is the Rockchip scene tbh

[fierce mason]

I just avoid the drama 🙂

[rapid fossil]

That's exactly what I said, if you want to tinker more and play, multiple cfw is nice

If you just want to play your games though... 😂

[fierce mason]

People play games on these devices? Blasphemy!

[rapid fossil]

I know right 😂

[fierce mason]

I play 2 games, the same 2 games, then I move on to a new device

except my odin 2, playing mario bros wonder on that...it's fun

[rapid fossil]

Which 2 games if you don't mind my asking

[fierce mason]

Usually Shining force 1 and 2 on genesis. Once in a great while I switch to the SF1 version on gba. Sometimes I play military madness on tg16

I have 1tb cards...for 4 games lol

[rapid fossil]

Quality game, shining force

[fierce mason]

Indeed. Such a great game

Somehow all these years later beating it countless times. I still enjoy it

I wish they'd kept the series turn based rpgs instead of going to action games like they did...it's a travesty

[rapid fossil]

I haven't played it in many years, and have just launched it to play

[rapid fossil]

I agree, I much prefer turn based rpg

[fierce mason]

Don't ever try the later titles in the series if you like the turn based...it's like a whole different series with the same name 😦

[rapid fossil]

I won't be going past shining force 2! I'll have this game beaten in a few days though 😂 need more nostalgia

[candid bronze]

lookin to get an odin 2 instead of the deck, will need to save up

deck is so big and cumbersome but it does play stuff well

[still imp]

Yeah I’m on this boat lol, I actually like to play more than tinker by a mile

[candid bronze]

on my RGB30, it's 30% gaming, 20% fucking around with development, 50% just fucking around with retroarch

[rapid fossil]

Yeah the way I like it.

As an example, I just managed to get Gamma OS on my 353M, took me an hour or so to set it up how I like and I'm already back to gaming mainly and not tinkering

On topic : can't wait for a good flip!!!

[untold ibex]

Its only a matter of time. I think anbernic knows there’s a market for it

Hopefully they don’t screw the pooch

[willow cradle]

so did this turn into the 35xxSP?

[fierce mason]

We can hope

[stiff fulcrum]

RG35XX SP is the new Maxzhou88's K1 GBA SP, this is not his first clamshell. I had the K1, it was a hardware clone of GBA SP

But this is probably an emulation console

[umbral pilot]

That would be awesome

[untold ibex]

Fingers crossed.

I don’t much care for the 35xx h but this yes

[obtuse wraith]

I spend a lot of time scrolling through my games, play one for a bit, then shut it off and watch top 10 must plays lol

I add games that ill most likely never open lol

But having it is better than not having it

[sinful ruin]

Does is real? You’re deciding (update: it’s not clambernic it’s a 3rd party gba sp shell)

[agile jetty]

this has appreared before and its consired fake, or rather to be third party gba sp shell

[rapid fossil]

Yeah I noticed that posted on reddit but it has been posted here already, going to have to wait and see if it's an sp shell off etsy or not

[obtuse wraith]

Should i play 1 or 2 first? Im not a huge jrpg fan but liked pokemon yellow as a kid. Im looking to get into something more mature

[fierce mason]

Number 1. It's on Genesis. You could also try the GBA version. It's called resurrection of dark dragon or some shit.

It's the same game with different graphics. Some like it better. I don't.

[obtuse wraith]

Cheers

[fast python]

Lucky you

[floral kiln]

I just finished sf1 and 2

Great games, fairly similar to fire emblem. Was really interesting to see where golden sun got its design dress from.

[brave elm]

I played a bit of Shining Force 2 when I was trying to figure out which Genesis games were worth playing. Pretty neat game.

[fierce mason]

I'm going to play Shining force Resurrection of dark dragon next. Basically just SF1 but on GBA with different graphics

[runic dawn]

Does this device realeased?

[cold flume]

No

[runic dawn]

Cool might be someday

[nova wigeon]

the ancient on/off switch kinda gives it away that this is fake

[lapis dome]

It’s just a reshelled gba sp

[sinful ruin]

Yeah I should probably take that down lol

[rapid fossil]

If it was, this chat would not be this dormant, trust me.

When/If the device comes out, you will know

[fierce mason]

And it definitely woulndn't be full of comments about when it'll be released lol

A 2 second scroll up would answer that question every time someone asks it

[polar ivy]

To be honest, these channels would be much more user friendly if there was a spreadsheet pinned that had useful information links. This is a confirmed device, this is the latest on release dates, these are the known specs, etc.

But then again, that's basically what timeisarts community spreadsheet does 😄

[proper chasm]

I see what you're saying, we're trying to pin relevant information for a device if there is any

there happens to be nothing for this device

[edgy gyro]

Everything in rumor_mill is still a rumor to me. Unless it is something that we know is out. Like the RG355xx H

[fluid narwhal]

Max 3, 355xxh, Pixel, Unicorn, 33s, MSI Claw and Gameforce Ace should all be out of the mill technically

But I'm not asking mods to constantly swap stuff out once it hits a threshold

[proper chasm]

at this point it's a balancing act. personally I don't like creating new upcoming device channels we know we're going to delete after the device is released if it's going to be merged into another existing channel. or if it is simply too obscure or e-wastey to have a spot in the server. the truth is there are a lot of rumor mill threads that won't get their own channel at some point

if only discord improved the way threads worked outside of forums and allowed for converting channels to threads

but anyway some of those devices definitely should have their own channels, namely the unicorn and msi claw (and maybe gameforce ace)

max 3 will probably be merged with the x55 channel, 35xxh with 35xx+ channel, r33s with r35s and r36s channel, etc

[edgy gyro]

I wish we just had a anbernic,powkiddy, miyoo,ayn, AYAneo channels and etc. Just one as a catch all.

But the way it is works great also

[hard raptor]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ttWMTDPA53Y/maxresdefault.jpg the clamshell we need

[brave elm]

Did you mean?

[fierce bone]

So this was indeed some kind of a prank

[slim zinc]

They were just saying there's no clamshell planned with the same chip as the 35xx Plus, wording is key here

[fierce mason]

They haven't launched a device in what? 2 weeks? We should get a launch announcement this week lol

[edgy gyro]

I think we will get news at the end of February the H and + are out now

[mossy nest]

Don't get me wrong, I like any form factor experimentation - the RG Arc, the RGB30. But damn do I want a new clamshell with possibly a bigger screen than my precious V90

[obtuse wraith]

How long until a customizable hh is released? Clam one day, vert the next and horiz the rest. Lol

[agile jetty]

if you use enough force every handheld is customizable

[mossy nest]

Only once, unfortunately

Or let's say at most two times, or what was that... You can only fold a paper 7 times?

[pearl patrol]

When will we start getting the slide up handhelds like the psp go?

[fierce mason]

Not soon enough

Problem is a good company has to make it and even then who knows on reliabitily. Even that expensive ass slide Russ said didn't feel like it wouldn't have issues. Paraphrasing for those that are gonna call me out lol

[polar ivy]

Mate, they are just making up vague stuff to get you to stop messaging them 😄

[rapid fossil]

That V90 i have avoided for years is becoming more and more appealing...

[untold ibex]

a customer service rep isn't gonna know

[glad fulcrum]

So how goes the wait for the clambernic?

[mossy nest]

Theoretically they know for the Miyoo Flip, even though they keep postponing it

Worth a shot, I thought

Either way, got the V90 about two years ago I think, so it was quite the buy then - still, really cheap beater device that I actually enjoy carrying around with me

I'd just love more power, a screen that's a bit bigger, and HDMI out

[glad fulcrum]

Can you even fit a hdmi port on a gba sp size devise?

[mossy nest]

I don't want it sp sized tbh, I'd want a screen that's a bit bigger. Not really sure on how the internals would work, but without HDMI there'd be no reason to change the V90. That has AV out at least

[fierce mason]

Right. Like some random no one messages them about future plans. Let me contact r&d for you sir and find out what our plans are. 🤣

I'd hate to be customer service for these companies. Especially at launch for a new device.

[untold ibex]

i don't think they actually do know they just need to say something

and also people keep asking poor chat reps like they're plugged into the development team or factory floor

every time i see one of those chat excerpts i get annoyed someone had to deal with someone asking random questions like that

specially for something that's not announced

[slim zinc]

You feel bad for a person whose job it is to talk to the public, to have to talk to the public? There are much worse jobs you should feel sorry for

[vagrant mauve]

it's kinda like asking the cashier at the supermarket "are nestle gonna make those chocolate bars i used to like anytime soon?"

[slim zinc]

No it's kind of like asking the cashier if they're going to restock the soda shelf sometime soon cuz you want to buy some, despite the fact they don't do the stocking

The representative works for the company making the device, not saying they should know but a customer asking is a reasonable question

Your example they are entirely different companies

[vagrant mauve]

i'm pretty sure they don't know anything about future plans

[slim zinc]

That doesn't really matter, it's still reasonable to ask and it's also a really easy job to deal with

[vagrant mauve]

fair i suppose

just pointless in the end

[untold ibex]

No it’s like asking a cashier if the price of milk is gonna go up and what the next truck coming into the store carries. They have no clue cause that’s not their job

Yes there are worst jobs. You can still feel bad for people who work in customer service that have to answer ridiculous questions for a living

Both of those things can be true

The world isn’t all about singular answers

[fast python]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-1901681372982085145

I have been enlightened

[edgy gyro]

Milk is going up? I am so confused.

[nova wigeon]

buy buy buy

all in on $MILK

[rapid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/community-noo-hellnah-gif-4652925

[cloud mirage]

If this ends up being a RG35xx clamshell that would be neat

[fierce mason]

We need a rg40xx clam

[lapis dome]

With the 405/arc 640x480, or the rgb30 720x720?

[fierce mason]

Hmm. I'd be happy with either. 405 I guess as the clam won't be quite as boxy and big? 🤔

[lapis dome]

Fair, I think the wider but shorter screen probably would be better for a clamshell, as much as I’d like to see a gameboy style vertical with the RGB30 screen

[peak bobcat]

This is anbernic, they will probably manage to get both flip and square display models out of that H700 chipset.

[spare reef]

I dont understand all the hype with these devices, why dont you just buy a GPD XD plus if you like android and clamshell devices?

[peak bobcat]

I think you are misunderstanding the device this is likely to be, both the miyoo and anbernic rumours are lower end models, basically modern day gba sp, not something higher end .

[rapid fossil]

Clamshell? Yes
Android? No

[spare reef]

We can agree on disliking Android 🤣

[fierce mason]

Android definitely has its place in handheld gaming. But not for everyone.

[fierce mason]

There's also a huge size difference between the gpd clamshells and something that will be gbsp size. Not sure why someone wouldn't understand the benefit of these smaller lower end devices. And they won't cost a lot. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vagrant mauve]

i'm really warming up to android lately

good sleep battery life, charge it like you do any phone, good bluetooth audio

my main issue is how samey everything looks with daijisho

[fierce mason]

Yeah. My singular gripe is launcher options. But I'll deal. Still waiting on titanius launcher to mature. It's great though for people that don't store stuff on the SD card

Like I use it on my rpi5 and it's great. Uses the wallpaper packs from daijisho. But everything is on the "int" storage so stand alone emulators don't have issues

[vagrant mauve]

oh, rip, i have everything on my sd

[fierce mason]

Me too. I have a 1tb card full haha

[vagrant mauve]

same

[proper chasm]

daijisho is alright but pegasus is still my favorite frontend on android

hopefully when emudeck for android comes, it'll alleviate the pain of setting pegasus up

[spare reef]

Well install Bob4droid if you want a good looking front end

[vagrant mauve]

isn't that like a "best of" rom set with a preconfigured frontend? i don't really want that

[spare reef]

Its a preconfigured ArkOS which you can configure yourself? Anyway It looks way better than the other front ends

[vagrant mauve]

apparently the frontend for that is arc browser which i'd have to look into

if i get a frontend i need to have everything on there including other apps and all that or it doesn't make much sense

[spare reef]

You can get in and out of the front end

[vagrant mauve]

then it's more of a mid-end, lol

[spare reef]

No, you can set It to boot up directly into the front end

It looks like this

Its miles ahead of Daihiro and things like that but also its much more difficult to set up

[vagrant mauve]

yeah i know what you mean, but i need something more integrated

[spare reef]

What do you mean? You boot up and the system goes to the front end directly

I mean its still android which is bad and no front end is gonna change that

[vagrant mauve]

yeah, but what if i wanna use steam link or play yuzu, are they on the front end?

[spare reef]

You add It as an app?

[vagrant mauve]

oh, cool then

that's what i meant

i'll look into it

[spare reef]

You can do that yes

Its the best looking front end for Android for sure but also challenging to set up

If you dont mind things looking a bit less sophisticated but you appreciate ease maybe just use Daijiro

[vagrant mauve]

yeah i'll look into it

i like having stuff nicely scraped

might do it on the odin 2

[ivory abyss]

Titanius Launcher works well with ROMs on SD card

[fierce mason]

I haven't tried the newest version. But I had issues using it with roms on SD with standalone emulators

[edgy gyro]

Anbernic make this now. plz. just kidding wait until I payed my Taxes for the year.

[hearty walrus]

Anbernic is so funny everytime I see the minor differences to the inspirations. Gotta love loopholes

[frigid sparrow]

Android gang gang rise up

I’m an Android enjoyer

[rapid fossil]

The app has crashed

[rough cape]

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

C'mon Anbernic

[edgy gyro]

anbernic, this what the people want. take the Ls form AYN and Retroid (same place) and make things like the ARC again.

[fierce mason]

It's been like a whole week since they released something, this should be announced soon. Anbernic doesn't like having quiet time and they can add it to the 20 devices they still sell on their website

[fast otter]

It's coming!!!

[main mural]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

analogue sticks why

[agile jetty]

Huh? This exact photo was already claimed to be Miyoo Flip, so what it is?...

[peak bobcat]

the video showing it even included miyoo's usual default theme

[lapis dome]

Nitrx is a joke

Don’t worry about it

[fierce mason]

Don't even ask that or all the people here with baby hands will go after you. 😂

[fierce bone]

Now that's a scary picture

https://tenor.com/view/better-laughing-hanson-funny-gif-14215551

[proper chasm]

what a meme of a channel lol

[edgy gyro]

I seen many videos of the miyoo p60. Still can't buy one.

[fiery ember]

Don't despair knowing Anbernic, as soon as the miyoo flip comes out, the anbernic flip will come out x

[toxic tundra]

what does this even look like again

oh fake gba sp

hoping they update the design to something better 🤞

[lapis dome]

Maybe add some sticks

[toxic tundra]

maybe make it have the 556 oled screen (coping)

[tired wedge]

I'd honestly be happy without the sticks

I actually like the way it looks because I wouldn't play any analog games on it

I'm actually more interested in this over the flip just because the analogs seem pointless to me

[untold ibex]

no sticks is the way to go. The sticks on something like this would be silly

[lapis dome]

I’m concerned this is going to be an h700 which is less than ideal but maybe the price will reflect that

I don’t really care sticks or not as long as they’re not in the way so between anbernic and miyoo it all comes down to price vs firmware options

[tired wedge]

True

[lapis dome]

I was initially concerned about the abxy tilt on this rather than the normal diamond but after playing snes and ps1 on the arc I’ve realized the angle doesnt really matter to me personally

[slim zinc]

Well you got to remember the arc is larger, on a smaller device like this it might matter more

For me it's much more of a deal breaker than the sticks by far. Having comfortable hand ergonomics is mandatory

[hard raptor]

So basically a gameboy SP but with anbernic hardware and software??

[fierce mason]

Love hearing an ergonomics discussion on a device this small. The ergonomics will suck. They are made for grabbing out of your pocket for quick sessions. 😅

[lapis dome]

ergonomics are a spectrum

[fierce mason]

Obviously. But the ergonomics on these tiny devices suck. Unless you have baby hands. Would you really say a 2 inch by 2 inch device is comfy for anything but short game sessions?

[lapis dome]

I don't find the MM+ that bad

doubt a decent v90 sized clam would be any worse

[fierce mason]

I love the mm+, easily one of my favorite ever handhelds. But I don't play for hours on end with it. I save those sessions, time permitting, for something larger and more comfortable. Maybe I'm alone in this way of gaming. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[slim zinc]

I mean yeah, I was more talking about a diamond shape abxy button layout is preferred over the angled approach, it would be more ergonomic

[fierce mason]

On this small of a device? True baby hands if the slight angle change of those buttons makes any difference.

[lapis dome]

The angle your thumb has to be at to hold Y while pressing B is based entirely on orientation and not at all on size

[fierce mason]

For you...just like my statement applies to me. I own devices with both angles and personally makes no difference. I don't have to think to myself hmm...weird I now have to angle my hand this way to play on this device. My thumb has no issues either way lol. Size absolutely plays a role in how you hold and therefore how you hit buttons.

[amber valve]

I better buy anbernic's flip because miyoo's flip might be old and under power

[lapis dome]

So far best speculation is that miyoo is gonna use a 3566 and anbernic is gonna use an h700

So miyoo’s will be marginally stronger, but only really relevant if you’re gonna push limits on Saturn/psp/n64/dreamcast, either is a perfectly good chip for psx/gba and down

I’m gonna buy whichever one gets better firmware (so if miyoo’s gets a fork of onion that’s it for me)

[misty mulch]

if onion gets ported to rk3566 that's way more interesting

[slim zinc]

At this point I'll buy the one that ends up existing

😔

[lapis dome]

This is also a fair point, though has gogamegeek ever given release dates and then been like way way way off?

[misty mulch]

a local contact of mine said "April at the earliest" for the a30

[amber valve]

Does 3566 works well in psp god of war chains of olympus?

[fast otter]

If it has no Portmaster support I don't want it.

[fast otter]

No, however most of the PSP's catalog will run at full speed at native resolution.

[lapis dome]

No. That’s one of the harder to run psp games

[untold ibex]

there's a good chance that Anbernic will release theirs after Miyoo does

[west night]

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8954911893?share=9105&fr=sharewise&share_from=post&sfc=copy&client_type=2&client_version=12.57.5.0&st=1711583055&is_video=true&unique=F59B7C5F459E35C89771E21CAF60A3E7

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8954919852?share=9105&fr=sharewise&share_from=post&sfc=copy&client_type=2&client_version=12.57.5.0&st=1711583081&is_video=true&unique=5AB5ABA76B5F7B161232E2FDA96A3B66

[agile jetty]

oh so its maybe a real thing

[fierce mason]

Looks thick as hell. But I love it otherwise.

[agile jetty]

unless someone made a very elaborate ruse

[lapis dome]

Looks v90/gba sp thickness when closed, just a thin lid and thicker bottom

Also proper ABXY angle, yay!

[fierce mason]

We'll see I guess. In that video it looked thick.

[lapis dome]

In the first vid you get a comparison

[fierce mason]

The sp wasn't terribly thick. But hard to tell really from that video

Only of the front.

Not thickness.

[lapis dome]

It looks like the same height

Or very close

[fierce mason]

You can see a thickness comparison in that video? I must be missing it.

[lapis dome]

Just the SP/V90 is 50/50 top/bottom and this is like 25/75. No clue how that works for feel in hand. Maybe better

[fierce mason]

If it's the same it'll work. Just looks thick in the second video. I'm hopeful. Can't be as thick as the flip. Lol

[lapis dome]

Yeah if it’s significantly thicker than the v90/gbasp in the pocket that will suck

But when the GBA and 35xxsp are pushed together in the vid it doesn’t look like there’s a step in height between them

[fierce mason]

Equal and I'm in. Only thing that would hold me back is cfw. I'm not huge on the offerings of the h and +. So if this is more of the same...ugh.

[lapis dome]

Miyoo flip is also coming so I’ll buy whichever gets better firmware

[fierce mason]

True, I was noticing that as well. Wasn't sure if it was just lighting angle or not.

That's the only reason I'd want the same chip in the miyoo flip. Onion on it is an instant buy for me.

[fluid narwhal]

A bit thick, but that'll give it more comfort, and still should be pocketable

I really like this

[fierce mason]

Good cfw on anbernic devices gets worse and worse

People will be excited though if this can run batocera like the h and +

[lapis dome]

35xx plus has minUI, batocera, and muOS

I’d be happy with minUI on a clamshell tbh

[fierce mason]

I like muOS. But not sure if it's because I like it best of available for the device or if I really like it.

[lapis dome]

I don’t own any devices that can run it yet to try it out

I’ll give it a whirl once the rg arc build is done

[fierce mason]

I didn't love garlic on the xx mainly due to liking onion better. But if garlic improves I'll like it better for the h.

muOS I didn't think I'd like because it seemed so much like ra. But it's rather good and very functional

[dry karma]

I wonder if this is why they did the 35xx refresh

Single soc for all these things to simplify manufacturing and firmware

[slim zinc]

God I love this hobby. A 10-second low quality clip of something that vaguely resembles a gba SP is considered news

[dry karma]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-clam-stinky-check-it-out-gif-27250207

[fluid narwhal]

It's great news

I wasn't confident any of the clamshells were ever going to release, pretty confident this one will now

[sullen burrow]

Oooooo

[slim zinc]

Oh I hope it releases too, I just don't think this is the silver bullet

[west night]

Nobody cares about the glowing logo?

[fluid narwhal]

New branding for Anbernic?

[obtuse wraith]

the links dont work for me

[west night]

It's the logo of their company

[slim zinc]

That looks like a symbol that would show up on a loading screen in a PS1 RPG

[amber valve]

Oh no, theres no analog sticks. Miyoo mini flip win again

[lapis dome]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bonk-head-ache-lump-funny-gif-12520820153219883065

[turbid cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/mobile-suit-gundam-wing-wing-gundam-zero-anime-the-gundam-robot-gif-17818665

[sullen burrow]

Too good

[agile jetty]

now which one will come first..

[turbid cargo]

Sorry but miyoo doesn't have a good reputation

[fierce bone]

Oooh, I like how the white one looks

The LED logo seems entirely unnecessary, but maybe not that noticeable on the white one

Ah, the page title for that video says "white lightless version", so I guess the logo does not have LEDs here

[fierce bone]

Who, Anbernic? Or is that someone they contracted to make this device?

[west night]

http://www.ylmchina.com/en

Anbernic is a trademark of the Shenzhen Yang LiMing Electronic Technology CoLtd

[polar ivy]

You can virtually feel any interest in the D-008 clamshell receding.

[fierce bone]

Is Garlic still actively developed?

[slim zinc]

This is ultimately going to come down to which one actually comes out, whether miyoo flip gets onion or not (devs have supposedly said they will work on it but who knows) and also the d-pad. Clambernic judging by the blurry 3 second vaporware teaser it looks like it might be their traditional style d-pad, which might be better than what miyoo is doing

[polar ivy]

2.0 is, yeah. But everything has been quiet for a while. Hopefully black Seraph is ok.

People will start to get annoyed if they don't hear anything soon though. The dude is doing well on patreon, and people will expect at least updates in return.

[polar ivy]

Could just be the miyoo mini+ RG35xx all over again.

Both solid, both popular.

[sudden heron]

Exactly. MM+ kind of win the round in front of the 35xx thanks to wifi+Onion, not sure they will win this one too.

[polar ivy]

I dunno. It's not like we have sales figures to see who "won" (sold more units I guess, although could also be profit).

It doesn't really matter though, point is they were both super popular. I am sure most people here have owned one of them, or both, at some point.

I don't even like the form factor, and even I got two as presents.

[sudden heron]

That’s true, we don’t have sales figures. It’s just a personal feeling from most of the youtubers keeping it in all their tops instead of the 35xx, and me owning 3 of them and gifting relatives as much 😅

[polar ivy]

Who knows. Tiktok influencers can have more of an impact than YouTubers, just look at the RGB20.

[candid bronze]

alright gamers

no sticks,

H700 so at least not a new chip

this is gonna be a weird choice between the two ngl

[polar ivy]

Honestly, the Shield has been pretty much the only clamshell with sticks that people could all agree was good.

And if they went the chunky route people would just complain it's not pocketable, and they would prefer to be less comfortable to save 1cm thickness.

So....people would complain about sticks either way.

[digital rock]

I think they literally just cloned the funkey s but made it bigger. That's not a bad thing either

The triggers look a lot like this

[candid bronze]

dude if they had used the funkey dpad, I wouldn't have trouble choosing between the anbernic and miyoo flip

[candid bronze]

OH ANBERNIC DOING A GOOD HINGE

aka the sp hinge but still

this is huge for me

[digital rock]

If it ain't broke and all that...

[candid bronze]

exactly

[digital rock]

It's just a race to see who gets theirs out first

[candid bronze]

the shoulder buttons do seem a bit small

[nocturne plume]

Had my RG35XXH in my pocket no issues scratching anything so no need for clamshell especially that this being thick making H more pocketable

[main mural]

https://tenor.com/view/old-money-old-money-mfer-pupper-gif-15349895817826788841

[prime quartz]

wow didn’t think we would see this so soon. wonder if they can beat miyoo

[untold ibex]

No sticks is the way to go

[fierce bone]

Isn't it nice we're about to have devices for both camps

[proper chasm]

it's real? and they fixed the button layout?

[fierce bone]

Dear god what happened to that dog

[proper chasm]

after 4 years of no new gba sp form factor handhelds suddenly we're about to see a bunch launch at the same time

not that I'm complaining but it's funny how handheld companies operate lol

[astral breach]

WOOOOOOO

[fierce bone]

Btw, just noticed in the white model video that they shook it at the end. No rattle

Seems like a pretty solid build

[astral breach]

do we have a release date

[untold ibex]

we don't even have official confirmation

[lapis dome]

BSP kernel

[candid bronze]

I'm guessing the "sp aftermarket shell" thing we had a few months ago might have been real

[astral breach]

theyre cooking with this one

i hope its one of those "gets soft revealed/leaked and then gets released asap" devices i love when anbernic churns out devices

was the 35xxh the last real new release

[fierce bone]

I think RG556 came out after that?

Also RG406 was supposed to come out in April, but probably not anymore

[untold ibex]

i don't love the big honking logo but i also don't care enough to let that stop me from buying it

[fierce bone]

Huh, someone on baidu mentioned h700 doesn't do sleep mode. Is that true for rg35xx+/h?

[astral breach]

i kinda fuck with it

[lapis dome]

The way the light turns off when he closes the lid suggests it’s doing either sleep or a shutdown script when closed without pressing any buttons, which is nice

[astral breach]

i think its cool

all i want is muOS

i will sell my handhelds and buy 2 of these...

one for me

one for adixal

[lapis dome]

Never tried muOS since I don’t own any 35xx stuff but I’d give it a whirl. I think for a perpetual pocket carry device minUI would be the dream though

[astral breach]

muOS is kinda like minUI but a little more configurable

i like it quite a bit

[lapis dome]

Does it do the auto save/shutdown and auto boot/load though?

[astral breach]

but don't use my 35xx+ because no screen protector

[lapis dome]

That’s the part that makes minUI great for short sessions

[astral breach]

oh does minUI do that

thats incredible

like a steam deck?

[lapis dome]

Technically the deck is using hibernate I think

[astral breach]

i love the decks hibernate

its so good

deck is def my most reliable handheld

[lapis dome]

While minUI is just doing a script to automatically save and then shutdown and writing a little script to automatically load the same game on next boot

[astral breach]

my 353v has random shut offs and i'm scared of the rtc in my 35xx+

[lapis dome]

Mixed with being a minimalist enough distro to have a super short boot time

[astral breach]

can you change the colors of minui

[lapis dome]

I don’t think so

[astral breach]

i think it would really pop with some color

it just... bores me

but it seems like a really good little OS

[lapis dome]

OnionOS and ArkOS also have the quick mode script stuff

[astral breach]

i'm sure we'll see minui support on this if its popular and is similar to and of the xx guys

any*

i didnt realise minui did this

thats really pretty

the savestate image

[slim zinc]

I'm always so torn with front ends. I like the ones with the little videos that you can preview each game, it's really cool, but it also takes up a ton of storage and it makes me want to just browse my front end instead of play anything

[astral breach]

minui seems really good for playing games

fuck now i really want to use minui on the clambernic

i wonder what the actual name will be

[proper chasm]

rg35xxsp seems to be the going name right now

[untold ibex]

35xxSP seems like a solid guess

[midnight grove]

Same chipset as the 35xx+?

[untold ibex]

or 35xxCS

[midnight grove]

And 3.5in screen confirmed?

[proper chasm]

yup h700

looks like it

[midnight grove]

Great news thank you! Can’t wait for this one

[slim zinc]

Someone refresh me on the performance level of the 35xx. It can handle up to PS1 beautifully right

I'm guessing this will be under $100 but probably a good $20 more than the rg35xx just for the form factor

I guess performance level will be a determining factor for some people between the two GBA SP devices

[bold osprey]

Afaik it can handle up to N64-ish (70% of the library)

So definitely PS1 (I’m referring to the h700 in the 35xx 2024 & 35xx+

[proper chasm]

should be using the 35xx+/h chip instead

if that 2024 rg35xx is anything to go by it looks like they're phasing out that old chip for good

[untold ibex]

it makes sense why they're clearing out some old stock

and as much as a $40 35xxh is tempting i'm gonna hold off until this is a thing

[candid bronze]

hoping the logo isn't on retail units

[cloud mirage]

Hehehe that’s my favorite game: browse the menus

[proper chasm]

my favorite game is manually googling cover art that couldn't be scraped

[untold ibex]

if it is i wonder if maybe GBAsp shells may allow up to mod the top to remove it

since they seem roughly the same size

[lapis dome]

If it helps it sounds like the logo does not light up on the white version

I’m guessing the light up logo is transparent models only

[untold ibex]

yeah gonna have to wait to see what colors they make this available in

[lapis dome]

That being said for an every day carry handheld I want a non-white solid shell

Something colourful and gameboy inspired would be great - green, orange, blue etc

[candid bronze]

if aftermarket shells are adaptable, big selling point

but it looks thicker

[untold ibex]

the plastic on the blue looks similar to the plastic on the RG556

[candid bronze]

"fuck you, black or blue, nothing else"

[lapis dome]

I’d take black over white lol

[untold ibex]

that could be a prototype since they already have the tooling for the plastic itself

black for sure

red?

i'd like a red

the sp shell benefits from fun colors

[lapis dome]

A real red to achieve total victory over the v90

[untold ibex]

anbernic doesn't usually do fun colors

wood grain

[lapis dome]

Wood grain would actually be amazing

[sullen burrow]

Apparently!

[fluid narwhal]

The interesting part is that the logo turns off when the clamshell is closed, implying they do have a sensor there

[sullen burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-jim-the-office-pyramid-gif-18351811

[untold ibex]

ok i take that back not the exact same dimensions as an SP

looks like it's not using the same buttons recent devices have been using either which makes sense since they may need to be shallower

[edgy gyro]

what is the logo for?

[untold ibex]

to make it go faster

[lapis dome]

yeah it's a little bigger

and yeah probably dome switch buttons

(like the GBA SP)

[obtuse wraith]

Not a big deal but i wonder why mono speaker?

[untold ibex]

most of these have a mono speaker

[proper chasm]

yeah I can live with mono speaker

[edgy gyro]

is there a headphone jack?

[proper chasm]

...especially since it's not rear firing unlike a certain other rumored clamshell handheld 🤢

[untold ibex]

probably

[proper chasm]

should be

[untold ibex]

hard to tell from pictures but it would be weird for them to suddenly do away with it

[edgy gyro]

all depands on the dev. I haven't seen him in here.

[astral breach]

35xx plush got it

[proper chasm]

cfw devs may have to figure out the sleep and lid closing stuff

[edgy gyro]

so nothing solid on headphone jack yet. just asking to see if I missed it in the videos

[untold ibex]

nope we haven't seen the bottom of the unit

[proper chasm]

other than that I can imagine plush cfw would be pretty easy to bring over here

[edgy gyro]

He likes that device. He likes the miyoo A30 also.

[astral breach]

interesting

i hope he likes this device

[untold ibex]

there's a hunger for clamshells

[fluid narwhal]

The Batocera team has been working hard on H700 devices so hopefully we get that

[untold ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-pixel-arts-gif-15716398332880556236

literally all i see when i see that logo

[astral breach]

its kinda badass

[untold ibex]

it's a neat logo

do I want it plastered on a handheld at that size and brightly lit? no.

it is a step up from just putting "ANBERNIC" on the screen bezel I guess

[edgy gyro]

Hoping that logo is just a custom job for the company.

[untold ibex]

i doubt it

feels like a lot of tooling just as a custom

the molds, the lights, etc.

[edgy gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hopes-and-dreams-dreams-hope-sad-dissapointed-gif-21582043

[untold ibex]

admittedly it might be a quick thing to change since it's just the one top panel

its not in a mission critical space like the screen panel or the buttons

[lapis dome]

the baidu post refers to the white shell as non-lit if that's ok

still has the molded logo but no LEDs in it

[edgy gyro]

the logo not making it. A smooth lid is what I don't like about it

Wait there is no logo here

This is what I will get.

[fierce bone]

There is one, just doesn't glow

There's a video above, you can see it better in motion

[untold ibex]

it's there but the video is blown out so it's hard to see

[edgy gyro]

why make a 35xx 2024. just make this.

[untold ibex]

because they already have the shell for the +

this way they can continue using that new shell and refresh the line at a lower cost

instead of having two completely different shells for what's essentially the same device in the same format

and boards

[astral breach]

im into it unironically

[edgy gyro]

I understand why. I just think the whole 35xx stuff is out of hand on their part.

[obtuse wraith]

The links didnt work for me, where are these pics and vids coming from?

[short barn]

@torpid warren

[untold ibex]

the 35xx has likely been one of their best-selling devices so I understand them sticking to that if it works for them

[short barn]

I’m into it. I have wanted a clamshell with no sticks but better quality than v90

[untold ibex]

and it clearly can function in several form factors

[edgy gyro]

#1169059294919012494 message #1169059294919012494 message

[torpid warren]

Thanks for the tag @short barn ! Can't wait to see more on this clamshell

[torpid warren]

Are these pictures from anbernic?

Love that there are no sticks here. I always thought the miyoo looked weird because of it.

[digital rock]

I think the sticks have their use for certain systems but it doesn't seem right on a clamshell like this imo. If you want sticks you have the rg35xxh or maybe the miyoo clamshell

[untold ibex]

agreed

they look like they'd be uncomfortable as heck to use too

too low

too recessed

[sullen burrow]

https://retrohandhelds.gg/anbernic-taking-on-the-miyoo-mini-flip/

Glad to see this one taking shape!

[vale geode]

damn I couldn't guess it

I thought they were gonna do rg35xxf or rg35xxc

[fluid narwhal]

Do we want to change the name if this channel?

to rg35xx sp

[sullen burrow]

Clambernic SP or we RIOT

Anbernic RG35XX SP

[vale geode]

did we get a release date?

[agile jetty]

I hope it has wifi. After the gpu driver update, this could be a very sweet portable stardew valley machine 😄

[merry pilot]

From the QQ chat the white model is just a prototype, while the transparent is the retail model 🙂

Release next month

Again according to the QQ chat!

Take this as a grain of salt 🙂

[vale geode]

next month so same time as the miyoo mini flip, guess its really gonna come down to whether you want the sticks or not and the price

[merry pilot]

The Miyoo Mini Flip is NOT going to be released next month.

Only the A30.

[vale geode]

I thought they said it was coming april? or that was just for news about it?

[merry pilot]

Just watch and see.

Miyoo is so slowing at everything!

[agile jetty]

miyoo mini flip is always going to be released in about 2 months time. Until the heat death of the universe

[merry pilot]

Nope just a false rumor

The flip is going to be released this summer.

So in many months from now 😛

Anyway great to see Anbernic has won 😛

[agile jetty]

it would be interesting if the d-008 comes soon enough to compete with this

[merry pilot]

Nah that one looks so cheap 😛

And those sticks!

[fluid narwhal]

Miyoo will forever tease releases, wait for forever for them

Anbernic at least will release it

[merry pilot]

Nah next year it will get cancelled

🤝

Btw the A30 is already two years old 😛

That tells you something about how things doesn't work @ Miyoo!

[vale geode]

I trust them to be able to make good sliders... maybe

[merry pilot]

I have the other feeling that they will suck 😛

[vale geode]

idk how that dpad is gonna feel, but the sliders look pretty alright to me and the buttons look surprisingly high profile

[untold ibex]

yuck no

[lapis dome]

that's just a cgi render

the screen is not recessed at all and those buttons protrude, so if built as rendered the buttons would hit the screen when you closed it lol

[vale geode]

oooo true that

[peak bobcat]

seriously needs a good solid coloured one or better yet a few choices

[vale geode]

they might just do black and clear blue like the 556

[edgy gyro]

those are the worse colors ever.

[toxic tundra]

556 curse

good handheld but eh colors (i like the blue)

[vale geode]

I mean they're fine, I just prefer grey, or white, or like red/purple

[edgy gyro]

that black they used for the 556 isn't great. if they use the black for the 35xxh it will be ok.

[fierce bone]

Huh, shame that white is just a test mold, I like it more than both black and any trans color

Of course if they‘ll make an indigo one with light gray buttons I‘ll just buy it even though I don‘t need it

[obtuse wraith]

i hope they dont have that big logo/crest on it

but they prolly will...

[vale geode]

are you thinking about the miyoo flip?

[obtuse wraith]

Whichever one has the v shaped logo

[rapid fossil]

Not really, I know A LOT of people who want a flip without sticks

[void spire]

The logo is back-lit which tells me it's probably finalized :/

I'll still buy when Garlic drops tho lol

If nothing else I like my v90

[lapis dome]

the objectively correct colourway

I'm sure the first thing most CFW will do is give you the ability to turn off the logo lighting unless it's just an intentional backlight leak like old macbooks

(at which point lmao you'll be able to see the logo through the screen if there's a strong enough light on the other side)

[vale geode]

I like the indigo I could just never stand by gray buttons, its so awkward looking

[lapis dome]

I just want something that actually screams gameboy

I’d settle for DMG but prefer something GBA

At one point they made this

[toxic tundra]

etsy skin for it trust

[lapis dome]

What if anbernic releases it with the limited edition toy’s r us exclusive shrek 2 colourway

Orange top shell, green bottom

[toxic tundra]

first ever edible handheld

[vale geode]

first ever edible handheld would be awesome

[finite idol]

Until you eat it then you no longer have a handheld

[lapis dome]

an edible handheld is just a sandwich

[amber valve]

You have H700 cpu which runs more 3d games like dreamcast. Ambermic usually make incomplete devices. It is just a waste of money. No need to buy this if you have a V90 over $15. This ambermic flip will be around $55-$60 price range because of the hype + H700 😂

[lapis dome]

the v90 is a smaller screen, a crap res for anything that isn't exactly 320 horizontal res or 240 vertical, has poor power management, poor firmware, and relies on some ancient emulators to even run most snes at full speed (which scales like shit from 256x224 to 320x240)

[still imp]

Fucking beautiful

No sticks = goat

[plain storm]

no sticks = more room for battery 👍

[lapis dome]

it will be interesting to see if the 35xx sp and miyoo flip have different battery sizes

obviously the SoC will play a role in how far that battery goes when comparing apples to apples

[plain storm]

Yah this is gonna be a pretty interesting face-off, pros & cons of each could make it a tough choice

[lapis dome]

I expect one of them will have a major dealbreaker in firmware, controls, or hinge

The likelihood of them both being good seems small

[plain storm]

Hinges always worry me, they're not easy to get right, fully expecting to see a bunch of cracks a month or 2 post launch on one or both tbh, never forget that even Nintendo failed at it once, even with all their resources & experience

[polar ivy]

The best plan. Get a V90 to tide you over.

Wait 3 months after launch to see who wins the clamshell wars in hardware and software.

Sell V90 and get whichever one you like. Or just keep the V90.

With most handhelds you don't want to be part of the beta tester preorders crew. More true than ever with these.

[fierce bone]

I mean, V90 might be quite rough in terms of hardware/performance, no?

Especially if you're used to any firmware made in the last 2-3 years

Otherwise — sure, no need to rush out and buy from the first batch

[fierce bone]

Eh, I think neither will be "perfect", it will be much like MM+ vs the original rg35xx. Each will have its own tradeoffs

[slim zinc]

I will buy whichever one has SNES eu/jp colorway and a better d-pad and better software

Sticks or no sticks isn't even in my equation

[slim zinc]

This seems extremely likely. One of them will have some large drawback. If both end up being fantastic for different reasons that would be super ideal

[fierce bone]

https://ko-fi.com/post/The-future-of-RG35XX-firmwares-A0A0W78YO

Looks like people are working on mainlining H700, pretty cool

[hard raptor]

THE FUCK

IT WILL EXIST?

shiz now its threeway between miyoo, anbernic and that szdiier

[polar ivy]

It's got a lot better with the recent 2.0 firmware. Although it may be better to wait for the alpha release if you don't want to load on the stand alone emulators yourself.

Plus, we know it definitely exists 😄

[hard raptor]

whoever releases their toy first wins hands down

[fierce bone]

People on this thread trying to predict a winner as if most won't buy at least two out of three 😄

[polar ivy]

And then sell them. And then buy them again 6 months later.

[fierce bone]

And buy a few "backups" (yeah, right)

[polar ivy]

And colours

[slim zinc]

Well I'm definitely the type to wait a few months and weigh my options and watch all the reviews, then just purchase one