Doom (1993)

[lost brook]

really cool stuff, the gameplay improvements they did really transform the experience from "janky proto military shooter" to "doom 3 but more action-y" and call of the machine is amazingly high quality

kinda wish the doom remaster was this good Q_Q

[grave aurora]

I spent so much time in e3m6 that I ended up achieving 100% kills . At least my patience pays off lol.

[grave aurora]

Ans then E3M7= my first triple 100%!

[raw dawn]

...What are those holes?

[hybrid hound]

what do u think

[raw dawn]

I can make do with extreme violence but this kind of explicit content is too much 😳

[gaunt grove]

I am hilariously stuck on E2M7 lol

[orchid elbow]

E2 is easily my least favorite.

[exotic jasper]

Right there with you

[hybrid hound]

i think i prefered e2 over e3 tbh. there were some highlights in e2 but e3 is just kinda blah across the board

[orchid elbow]

The few highs in 2 are higher than 3, but there are more lows and they are significantly lower than e3 lows.

[grave aurora]

Imo the first half of e2 and e3 are both good and the second half are both bad . E1 is great all the way .

[hybrid hound]

i really didnt like e3m1

[grave aurora]

I loved it

It actually gave me up that episode 3 would be much better than 2

[hybrid hound]

100%ing it is tedious cuz there's not enough ammo so u have to pistol down some cacodemons or just bait them into infighting the imps and it's boring

[grave aurora]

Oh yeah your playstyle matters a lot

[short meteor]

@grave aurora #1102540186790928415 message Replying to you here… ok, I have a save that’s close to the end of Episode 3 I think… the big ol demon boss with rockets, right? I’ll beat it again hopefully quick, cuz as fast and fun as DOOM is, I did it first so I could get it done quick… I want to play RE1, but I don’t know if I’ll have enough spare time to finish it in time for the contest!

[glad gulch]

RE is like 7 hours if you’re decent at puzzles

[short meteor]

Depends on the puzzles… I’ve heard that many RE puzzles are illogical and without a guide many people end up trying to mash the pieces together until they fit 😂

I hope I don’t get stuck tho, I think it’s fun playing through games without a guide.

Anyway, I have an older DOOM Episode 3 save, but I might have to replay through a few levels again to reach the boss.

[orchid elbow]

You're on PSX, aren't you? Doesn't it have a passcode save option too? You could just load up a passcode for that final boss. @short meteor

[glad gulch]

Pro tip: inspect items front and back. Past that it’s just “this hexagon probably goes in that hexagon slot I saw earlier”

[short meteor]

PS5… but I’ll check if passcodes are still an option. And if I replay a few levels, they’re still fresh in my mind so it wouldn’t be so bad (plus I’d have the guns).

[short meteor]

Heeeey… you made me think I wasn’t done, the spider demon (I included a clip of killing it!!) WAS the final boss of Episode 3! I had that clip in my achievements, but you made me play more thinking I was wrong before, but I was right!

[grave aurora]

Oh sorry bro I checked the picture not the video . Picture showed e1m9.

[grim nimbus]

You'd think they're the naughty bits... but when you know the Cacodemon's design is pretty blatantly stolen from D&D's Astral Dreadnought, maybe it's something different. It's possible they're supposed to be the holes of a throat and spinal column, making the Caco look like a severed head. In that sense, it's almost like a cheeky in-joke acknowledging where they got the design from. Like they're saying they stole it right off the D&D monster's body.

[raw dawn]

I much appreciate the explanation but:

[short meteor]

Thanks @grizzled wagon , still learning how things work here

[grim nimbus]

I'm ok with being wrong. Buttholes it is.

[hybrid hound]

fun fact: in doom 64 the cacodemons have arms but no longer have buttholes. you win some you lose some

[glad gulch]

Only one is a butthole, the other is a vagina. All cacodemons are female.

[gaunt grove]

More like CACAdemon, amirite?

[lost brook]

cloacademon

[short meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cloaca-look-up-gif-search-me-when-merps-gif-26833576

[gaunt grove]

Woof I might have made a mistake playing this on my DSi. Cyberdemon is impossible.

[hybrid hound]

e4 is a difficulty jump lol.

[raw dawn]

i dislike how much it relies on enemy infighting

[hybrid hound]

yeah i wish there was a little more ammo for 100% kills pistol start

[grave aurora]

Weren’t you doing 95%

[hybrid hound]

well going for as close to 100% as i can be bothered to do lmao

[unkempt moon]

got a hard map. turns out it is e2m9. is this because I picked up a secret map? circle strafing seems to have done the job but it seems I could've just ||let the goat demons hack at the cacodemons in the next room as well.|| oh well.

[hybrid hound]

yeah m9 of each episode is secret

[unkempt moon]

chapter 2 done. fun game.

[short meteor]

The secret levels are cool, feel like an alternate path

[lost brook]

E4 is ROUGH

[gaunt grove]

I think I'm burnt out on this game. E2M7 really messed me up and now I'm not really feeling e3.

[orchid elbow]

Play something else for a bit and come back. I think doom is best I. Short bursts of like a mission or two at a time, honestly.

[lost brook]

remember each ep restarts your progress for a reason, dont play them all back to back, like a tv show, dont binge it if you arent feeling in the mood for it

[grave aurora]

Yeah I think it’s a good advice . Episodes 2 and 3 are not good enough to play them non-stop .

[gaunt grove]

Yeah I was alternating with RE, but I'm kind of bored by that one too. I just went back to Wind Waker lol. Need to relax and lower my blood pressure.

[orchid elbow]

I did it with fire emblem. It was a good time. E1 is pretty easy to just play all at once, but the other two can get quite long.

[lost brook]

im almost done with ep3 in PSX doom, im playing on ultra violence and i forgot how many doom 2 enemies are added to doom 1 in that version lol

like, every level in ep 3 has at least one revenant for some reason

and they catch me off guard every time

[grim nimbus]

Pretty sure I'm gonna start Playstation Doom soon. I'm still interested in Voxel Doom, and the Android port runs fine on RP3+, but they're still that same Doom at the core. Wanna try something a little different.

[lost brook]

PSX doom changes quite a bit, not just in the presentation.

just make sure to do a virtual overclock on the PSX emulator to get a steady 60 FPS

[lost brook]

I beat ep 3 just now, its as good as always, i'll take any chance i get to replay doom 1

now im gonna pretend ep 4 doesnt exist lmao

maybe i'll pick it up again some other time

[orchid elbow]

episode 4 is like DLC for the hardcore favs anyway.

[urban grove]

Partway into Episode 3, just needed my reminder that Doom is still outstanding

Level design takes a bit of hate on some later levels (shareware levels were always the best) but it's still great

[lost brook]

ep 3 LOVES to put rooms filled to the brim with one type of enemy lol

[urban grove]

I don't die basically the entire game (crushed by a ceiling twice) and then die twice in level 2

Took a break for the night there

[glad gulch]

anybody playing doom on a 3.5" screen is a madman

[grave aurora]

I was actually playing on miyoo mini lol. The game crashed near the end of episode 1 but otherwise I enjoyed every bit of it!

[glad gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[lost brook]

i dunno, i played it on PSP and DS and it was fine, its more so a matter of how much the HUD takes up

[lost brook]

fun fact, i was the one that set up the controls for the miyoo port lol
schmurtz did the porting but the default settings on the prboom core is awful

[hybrid hound]

yeah there's a setting to minimize the UI on most ports, that helps on smaller screens for sure

[grave aurora]

I think for some reason I had the default settings . Like x to shoot …

[lost brook]

no, x to shoot is the new defaults i made

oh wait

my bad no yeah thats the old defaults, you gotta update the port

[unkempt moon]

I shot the ||spider demon 4-5 times with bfg to kill it. trying with the shotgun it melted me. how do you beat it normally? are there places that you can take cover other than travelling some to the other parts of the map?||

[hybrid hound]

make it infight with the other monsters and then finish it off with the plasmagun or rocket launcher on the map and its not too bad

[unkempt moon]

right. I saw a caco around the corner.

[hybrid hound]

yeah theres a baron on harder difficulties too, that'll take some chunks out of it

[fresh crest]

I have to get to this

[grave aurora]

I hate the baron so much .

[exotic jasper]

Barons are the best for infighting assists

[hybrid hound]

yeah i just find them too spongey to be fighting in every level lol ive complained about them before. doom 2 was smart to add a less spongey variant

[lost brook]

PSX doom also adds knights to doom 1 maps!

knights is 3 rockets/SSG shots vs 5 to kill a baron

[hybrid hound]

yeah if doom wins goty im probably gonna do ps1 on the replay

[glad gulch]

doom-99 on switch when

[hybrid hound]

yeah it would be cool if they would drop the ps1 versions as addons for doom 1 and 2 or something lol but i guess theyd have to license the soundtrack again? they did it for doom 64 and that was the same composer tho

the quake remaster actually does have Quake 64 as an official addon (no saturn quake yet tho)

[lost brook]

never happening, i mean, technically its more than doable, there is already a source port that lets you do 100 player multiplayer, but id wouldnt work with nintendo in that way

[lost brook]

its not a license thing, quake 64 is one thing, but for quake 2 they straight up ported the entire n64 version's maps to the actual, PC quake 2 engine

which is a bit wacky because it doesnt actually behave correctly (quake 2 64 is made on the quake 1 engine) but thats an insane amount of effort still

and doom 64 even had original content added to the remaster

whats the one commonality here tho? nightdive

and nightdive didnt make the doom 1 and 2 ports bethesda sells rn

sadly

[glad gulch]

Doom-99 pitch: you’re given a randomized level, and only the X fastest people to clear it progress to the next one. Kills give you “blood tokens” or something, and between stages you can spend them to spawn enemies for others, put an item randomly in your map, etc. Melee kills instantly spawn an extra enemy for a random opponent mid-level. Uhhh what else

[lost brook]

so its not a rights things, its a "willingess to spend the money" thing

[unkempt moon]

quake 3 online was great. I wonder if it's still online.

[hybrid hound]

right yeah i forgot doom 1 and 2 werent nightdive

[raw dawn]

Iirc the gog versions still come with dosbox

[hybrid hound]

oh yeah they aren't the unity ports?

i think either way on pc i would just take the WAD out and put it into a source port tbh, there's a wide range for difference preferences running the gamut from dos-like to much more modern

[charred harbor]

So does the Steam version

[hybrid hound]

dooms engine has been open source for over 25 years so as long as you can get the content in the form of the WAD file there are literally dozens of ways to run it on pc

[orchid elbow]

With gog you get both.

Buy doom 1 & 2 and you get all of this minus doom darks revenge.

[fossil coral]

e2m8 is impossible for me. I was really enjoying it up to that point. I've been trying since last night and it's not fun anymore.

[unkempt moon]

Reduce the difficulty? On Steam you can choose the level. Not sure if it's the same for all versions.

[fossil coral]

Couldn't find how to do that without restarting all of E2.

[unkempt moon]

what version are you playing?

after I select single player from main menu I have this level select.

[fossil coral]

Not sure any more which version it is. There is a 4th episode in this version. I'm playing it in PrBoom. No level select menu. 😔

[fervent needle]

This is the boss level right? I think there's a way for the boss to get blocked in the room he spawns in, and you just spam rockets into it. Now I'm not sure which direction it is, bo if you leave the room you spawn in fast into correct direction, he'll start tracking you through the wall and get blocked in the room forever.

[fossil coral]

I'll have to find out about this. I don't want to give up or restart the entire e2 on an easier difficulty.

[grave aurora]

Do you have the plasma gun ? It works even better than rocket .

Also if you use one of those columns as a cover it helps a lot . Like hit him a little , go back to cover, repeat

[fossil coral]

How many hits does he take?

[unkempt moon]

I did that when I was trying it on hurt me plenty difficulty earlier by chance. though he got out eventually. I was shooting at the room from 50-60 degrees angle.

[charred harbor]

Not a lot, but if you’re using the rocket launcher they have to be direct hits. He’s immune to the splash damage if your rocket hits nearby instead

And don’t forget

[grave aurora]

I don’t agree that it doesn’t need a lot of hits . I think that the pro tip actually means that you keep shooting even though it takes a lot of ammo.

[orchid elbow]

The pro tip is literally just a joke. It’s obvious on purpose. It’s not wrong, but it’s not helpful. The good news is, I think this is the hardest part of the game. If you get through it, the rest is pretty easy, imo.

[hybrid hound]

cyberdemon isnt too bad if you just circle strafe tbh. just dont stop moving

[charred harbor]

Alright, you’re right. I used the plasma gun which I think makes it go faster. It looks like it takes ||40|| direct hits with the rocket launcher

[hybrid hound]

there's rng on pretty much all damage i think so it could be more or less than that but yeah that sounds about right

[unkempt moon]

I don't know if I had the bfg when I was playing that mission but I didn't use it. if you found it it would be like probably 5 hits or something.

[lost brook]

i think you can use the console to put a command, or a launch parameter

[orchid elbow]

The fourth mission just depends on which wad you have.

[lost brook]

to be clear to everyone, the doom version referenced is the original 1993 release, the first 3 episodes, but ultimate doom includes those + a 4th episode made alongside doom 2.

[glad gulch]

He takes a ton of hits, just keep strafing, remember you have a “fast run” button you can hold. Don’t eat splash damage from rockets.

[hybrid hound]

oh yeah i play with "always run" on and if your port has that option i recommend it

[grave aurora]

That option was set to on by default but it was much better when I turned it off . But yeah there might be a few places where it is useful

[karmic canopy]

"episode 2" done in PSX doom. A little more than half I guess

[unkempt moon]

holding shift button to run is easy. I just do that when I need to.

[orchid elbow]

One could say 2/3.

[karmic canopy]

Well there's 30 levels in this version and beating episode "2" is at 16 so a little less than 2/3

Not sure what the other levels are but I guess for console gamers in the 90s you had to go through a little more hell to be equivalent to PC

[hybrid hound]

nah you can stop after map 23, everything after that is episode 4 which wasn't in the original 1993 doom release

[lost brook]

episode 4 is old timey DLC

[karmic canopy]

Oh I didn't realize they put 4 into psx

Or maybe I did and I said I'll just go to the end of this anyway

[lost brook]

PSX actually got a lot of doom engine love cause PSX doom has ultimate doom AND doom 2 crammed into one game, "final doom" is whatever maps from master levels and both final doom wads they could cram into the PSX engine without crashing it and hexen had a port too.

[karmic canopy]

It's a pretty neat version. I like the look and the lighting, and the eerie music is a nice option.

[lost brook]

the 60 FPS cap certainly helps too

first version of doom to have that btw!

[karmic canopy]

Is it though? It sure feels like a 30 cap

Source ports on my portable are significantly more smooth than the psx version

I had to jack the PSX CPU up to 100 from 57 just to get it to stay closer to 30

Ahh yes "Super fast speed: Up to 30 frames/sec!"

Ok, I embellished the !

[lost brook]

the cap is 60 FPS it just doesnt stick to that AT ALL

its 50 FPS on the european version

[karmic canopy]

I've cranked up the emulation speed and it's never gone over 30

Maybe pscx rearmed can't

[lost brook]

dont believe the normal FPS counter, use the internal FPS counter setting

[karmic canopy]

It's still doubling it though.

(and I've done the internal fps)

Goes 60 to 45-52 a lot, so 30 down to 22-27

[lost brook]

so to be clear, doom's logic will always run at 35 FPS, but the graphics are displayed at 60 FPS, ofc its not super stable on PSX, but still

[vital seal]

Been playing around with the PC port of PSX Doom, it's pretty crazy

[celest glen]

I tried the SNES version. I quickly moved to a different one.

[lost brook]

lol yeah all the console ports before the PSX one are ROUGH

the GBA one is passable

[hybrid hound]

jaguar isnt bad but the lack of music takes it down a lot

[grim nimbus]

It's been said a hundred times, but the Resurrection rom hack turns the 32X port from hot garbage into one of the best versions. Not sure where exactly that fits into the conversation, but it's info worth repeating.

[grim nimbus]

Started Doom for original Playstation the other day. Digging the more Doom 64 feel of it so far. The added Doom II enemies are a cool bonus, too!

[lost brook]

and also you can get the SSG before doom 2 in a secret level!

[grim nimbus]

Neat! Looking forward to it.

[lost brook]

its very close to the end and VERY well hidden

[fervent needle]

It doesn't count for completion, but I reccommend brutal doom mod for anyone who didn't found the original challenging enough. EP1 on ultra violence felt much harder.

[unkempt moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzBLZ5o18VA

GZDoom wad (2017)

[lost brook]

harder is A way of describing brutal doom, i played a ton of it and sub mods of it over the years and honestly it becomes very gimmicky once you understand how it works

TL;DR: its not actually hard, its just got a lot of cheap deaths that are hard to avoid and you can headshot most enemies to kill them really easily

[orchid elbow]

kind of looks cool... but also looks like this was the thought process.

You know what everyone likes least about doom? When everything gets so dark you can't see? Let's make a whole game where it's like that.

[unkempt moon]

the latest version isn't dark. it's on v1.4. that's the launch trailer.

[fervent needle]

I mean there are different settings with which you can play brutal doom. I kinda went the modern route with reloads, ads, everything being dark. It's not the og doom experience, and I'm not saying it is better, but it certainly has it merits. The reload thing for one, when you have to reload the shotgun after 8 bullets, suddenly there is way more opportunities to take damage. I feel like everything deals more damage and since it's dark you have to be very careful. I played EP1 on ultra violence and I died twice on the boss, and I never died on ep1 boss in og doom. Felt like they threw waaay more monsters at you than og doom.

[lost brook]

everything deals more damage, including you, but enemies have unreadable instakill attacks and you have... headshots

[fervent needle]

There's also some new enemies, so far I've seen skeletons and some dudes in labcoats, though they don't transform the encounters in a significant way

[grim nimbus]

Has anyone tried this affront to humanity?

https://youtu.be/Ji9qSuQapFY?si=Q_bUKsskKATFtWka

[lost brook]

classic wad

[fresh estuary]

i realized that i only needed to play through inferno so went back a little. was near the end and the game crashed on switch

[lost brook]

classic unity doom ☠️

[unkempt moon]

I bet it's Switch port. never had a crash on PC.

[lost brook]

all the modern official ports are just unity running doom inside of it

[unkempt moon]

what I'm saying is Unity Switch port is bad because of Switch.

it runs perfect on PC.

[hybrid hound]

i had issues with the switch port waking from sleep occasionally but no crashes

[lost brook]

nope

its the same across the board

its not a switch issue

it just has a propensity to crash when left idle

possibly a memory leak, i never looked into it cause it sucks and they didnt even bother to put steam achievements on em

[hybrid hound]

oh being left idle tracks? probably why i have those issues with wake from sleep i guess

[unkempt moon]

oh ok. I thought it was because Switch being low spec.

that could still be it.

[hybrid hound]

its doom lol

[unkempt moon]

if there is a memory leak Switch is more prone to crashing than a modern pc.

[hybrid hound]

i mean yeah sure but if there's a memory leak thats the dev's fault lol. its not bad because of switch its bad because its bad

[unkempt moon]

correct me if I'm wrong.

[hybrid hound]

if there's a memory leak the impact of it will hit faster if there's less memory sure

[unkempt moon]

I'm not saying Switch is bad. it's a great handheld but it's not a secret it's low spec still.

[hybrid hound]

yeah im just saying you cant blame the hardware in the case of DOOM lol it's DOOM. toasters can run it, there's no reason switch shouldn't do it flawlessly

[tacit smelt]

Tried playing but for some reason I get terrible motion sickness

[lost brook]

oh there is no reason, the unity version is just not good

[lost brook]

are you not used to FPS games or is it just this?

[tacit smelt]

I think its FPS. I used to play a lot of CoD. But that was years ago

It happens with quite a few

[hybrid hound]

what version are you playing?

[tacit smelt]

Even Starfield

I’m playing on Dosbox

[unkempt moon]

it's probably the fast movement combined with slight headbob.

[hybrid hound]

in a lot of modern ports you can turn off headbob, not sure if you can in dos? that might help

[unkempt moon]

there might be a version where you can turn it off but Unity version doesn't have that option. the one on Steam for example.

[tacit smelt]

Probably. I mainly play rpgs now a day

[lost brook]

why lol

no offense man but thats a terrible idea if you are prone to motion sickness

the original version is low res, an off center game window, low FOV and its 35FPS

[unkempt moon]

I felt a bit queasy when I first started it. I hadn't played a first person game for a long while but then I got used to it.

[tacit smelt]

Already had it installed

[lost brook]

do yourself a favor and install chocolate doom, or another less faithful sourceport if necessary

[unkempt moon]

yeah low fov and low fps causes motion sickness as well.

[tacit smelt]

I think I got to stage 4 of the first Part and had to take a break

[hybrid hound]

is there a reason to still use chocolate doom over crispy doom?

[unkempt moon]

is chocolate doom better than unity ports?

[lost brook]

i know the most hardcore vanilla people dont like crispy for adding more options

[unkempt moon]

there is crispy doom too. how many ports are there lmao

[lost brook]

sorta? its actually doom so yeah

[lost brook]

you have no idea

[hybrid hound]

a shitton lmao

[unkempt moon]

unity doom is not doom?

[lost brook]

i highly suggest getting gzdoom or something of the sort so you can customize stuff to your liking and reduce the motion sickness

[lost brook]

its a reimplementation of doom running in unity

[hybrid hound]

there's like 3 main relevant branches of doom right now i guess? which is like, zdoom and its ilk, chocolate/cripsy, and Boom and its ilk

and yeah the Unity one being the official branch

[lost brook]

sorta? zdoom is dead and was merged into gzdoom, chocolate and crispy are a niche project but exist and prboom+ only keeps existing because people insist on using it for some god forsaken reason

[hybrid hound]

yeah i mean zdoom as a line. including gzdoom and lzdoom and zandronum

and prboom i think is mostly cuz of the ease of porting? the doom version that was available for ipod video was prboom lmao and the libretro core is prboom, and i think the most common one on linux retro handhelds is prboom

[lost brook]

i know, i just hate prboom with a passion, its a mess

[hybrid hound]

fair lol. boom was big at the time tho? but yeah if im playing on a pc now im gonna go for either crispy or gzdoom

opposite ends of the spectrum

[lost brook]

at the time i wasnt even born, yes

[unkempt moon]

https://youtu.be/8zIdn4JnFNY

this game is great.

although it's a bit hard to play with a controller as seen in the video.

[whole axle]

One more day for those late bloomers

[hybrid hound]

i finished thy flesh consumed, might see if i can do all of sigil tomorrow for halloween lol

[grim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-majora-finalday-gif-9607331

Playstation Doom is proving to be a bigger bastard than I anticipated. The dark areas are bordering on Doom 3-dark.

[charred harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/majora-mask-real-moon-gif-18961477

[lost brook]

its the idea 😈

use the map, its a big help

[grim nimbus]

Getting lost isn't my problem. It's that the enemies can sneak up on me way easier.

[lost brook]

keep an eye out for sounds

every time an enemy sees you they make a distinct sound

[upper blaze]

How many levels are there

[heady osprey]

Love how there are so many versions, that the completed section is just a menagerie of different end screens.

[upper blaze]

Lol, I noticed. The whole time I was playing it made me want to replay Marathon.

Doom and Wolfenstein were the ultimate "dad games" for me when I was growing up.

[obtuse swift]

Not sure if anyone else is playing this for GOTM January, but I'm resurrecting the thread

[charred harbor]

Good choice! I played it when it won and then again as my GotY for 2024. Which version are you playing?

[obtuse swift]

The one on steam, so I can play it on steamdeck without much fuss or setup. I guess that's the DOS version

[charred harbor]

That’s what I did for GotM. I did the update they released last year for GotY