Anbernic RG Arc

[mortal prism]

oh yeah if the chip they're using is a counterfeit of somebody else's silicon then the whole 35xx is a dead project walking if that gets out

[visual stream]

Yeah, they clearly wanted to replicate Miyoo Mini there

And when rg35xx was first revealed I even remember talks Onion people would support it

[leaden plover]

exactly. That's my biggest theory on this whole kernel source drama.

[mortal prism]

if the MM+ hadn't happened and the 35XX had been open source we probably would've gotten onion for the 35XX by now

but one of those made it unneeded and the other made it hard

[visual stream]

That's why Allium is so important IMO

[mortal prism]

I mean I am not someone to hold a grudge once an issue has actually been resolved, so I am happy to transform from a BS critic to a BS fanboy the moment garlic goes open source.

[visual stream]

A big problem with Linux fimwares is that they basically have just one cross-platform frontend — EmulationStation

Everything else is tied to a specific device. Allium might eventually change that and give a second option

[mortal prism]

rewarding devs and manufacturers that do FOSS right is just as important as protesting those who do it wrong

[leaden plover]

I think we're gonna see a lot of fast-and-loose interpretation of the word "open" when that comes out.

[mortal prism]

minUI is getting there too

[visual stream]

Yeah, it's huge that Shaun is working on the RGB30

[mortal prism]

he's even working on making one minUI card able to be moved device to device which is exciting

[hard locust]

I would actually really like minui on all my handhelds instead of ES

[mortal prism]

the two things that will really seal the deal on the RGB30 being my perfect handeld will be minUI and a screen protector becoming available lol

then I can retire the MM+

[visual stream]

I would just like my new devices to look different 🙂

[granite schooner]

Did they ever confirm it's a handheld? This post made me wonder if it could be an A14 #1095093328200081570 message 🤔

[mortal prism]

honestly a 3588 portable arcade is actually based as hell

[visual stream]

I mean, A series are such a singular and niche device I wouldn't assume they're working on a new model so easily

[mortal prism]

I would buy that

I don't know if there will be any 3588 handhelds that interest me tbh, as soon as something isn't pocketable I hit the 'may as well just use an x86 device' wall based on my own personal use cases for these retro handhelds

if it's not pocketable I'm never using it anywhere I don't have ready access to power

so battery life concerns are gone

and I'd rather just have a full PC

while if I'm gaming at work on top of a ladder while waiting for a lauter or in my car while waiting on my partner to finish an appointment I have a MM+, RGB30, Q36 mini, etc in my pocket

[visual stream]

I'm curious to see how big and loud RK3588 devices end up

On paper A311D2 might end up being better suited for a handheld, but as far as I understand Amlogic has zero interest in Linux support. Their target market are TV boxes for these chips

[mortal prism]

but an A14 I'd buy because it would be fun and unique and a 3588 would be powerful enough to be fun to tinker with

[visual stream]

And also I've seen accounts that A311D2 is not a drop-in replacement for A311D

[mortal prism]

this is correct

you couldn't just run the current jelos build on it

I'm hoping with qualcomm X chips we get snapdragon equivalents that are fully open instead of having the whole phone chip locked bootloader etc etc etc

like they have an actual business incentive to support full FOSS linux on those

if at least one of those targets a low enough TDP profile we could have some (probably moderately expensive) absurdly nice pocketable linux handhelds

maybe stallman will finally get to use a cell phone lmao

[visual stream]

That's for the desktop/laptop market, no?

[mortal prism]

laptops yeah

[visual stream]

Like why would they need Linux on phone chips

[mortal prism]

if they make a low power laptop chip I could see somebody making a phone out of it if it supports linux for laptop reasons

a decent linux phone has been a niche demand for a while

basically if we get a snapdragon x chromebook that might actually use a chip relevant for handhelds

I mean hell I'm banking on valve being a major player in pushing ARM linux

they can support box86 the same way they supported proton with an arm steamdeck someday

jeez, I can get an 8bitdo m30 right now for 35 CAD

if I buy one of those that would be me giving up on the RG ARC I think

[visual stream]

Yeah, that's basically how Rockchip and Mediatek got into Linux, I think

[visual stream]

People are raving about this on #🔥│upcoming-chat , might be better suited for you

https://retro-bit.com/sega-collaboration

But yeah, M30 is amazing

[mortal prism]

yeah, I saw that one too

[leaden plover]

ok look, not to keep dragging this up but he caused the problem that he went and created all the drama about. I barely know anything about the situation but as an outside observer, it's what it looks like. And fewt wasn't arguing for the android builds locked behind patreon. There's no resolution to the issue because he played fast and loose with the restrictions set on him and got burned, and now wants his cake and to eat it too.

it just strikes me as chidish to be openly hostile to BS when fewt caused his own problems. BS just handled working within those confines better than fewt did.

whether the source was released intentionally or not... it's just the consequence

[mortal prism]

I don’t really care whether fewt is a hypocrite or not, it doesn’t change whether BS using code without permission in garlicOS is wrong

[leaden plover]

true

[mortal prism]

I wasn’t here for the jelos/anbernic blow up, I just judge based on what anbernic is doing now regarding source code

[leaden plover]

some people can handle that burden better than others.

[mortal prism]

The end result of giving a shit about FOSS is that right now I buy a lot of powkiddy, but if somebody else does FOSS handhelds better I’ll happily switch

[leaden plover]

aha.

[visual stream]

That's a 100% constructive approach

[mortal prism]

Personally I’m kinda hoping we get good Linux support on the legion go, I could replace basically every handheld I own with that guy and some gamepads

[leaden plover]

it's interesting, but disconnecting the controllers during gameplay basically renders them useless in some games

not sure if they're aiming to fix that.

I have a brother in-law who's also interested in the legion go

[mortal prism]

I honestly don’t know if I would bother to ever use the included controllers, I just want a decent priced portable APU and I’m happy to provide my own keyboard/mouse/gamepad depending on the task

The go just has a good screen res and a good apu at a good price

A 7840u laptop would cost me double for a much bulkier device

[leaden plover]

legion go is windows based?

[mortal prism]

It is out of the box

Hopeful chimera or somebody is able to make everything work on it

[leaden plover]

oh then just get a bluetooth keyboard and you've got a laptop basically.

[mortal prism]

But yeah I’m not opposed to using windows necessarily

Would prefer a steamOS-like experience on a handheld though

Honestly I’d prefer an actual laptop if anyone was pricing them competitively with these handhelds

7840u 10” laptop for under a grand at Best Buy and I’m the happiest boy on earth this Christmas

Or Z1E

Z1E tablet with a keyboard case, whatever

[mortal prism]

Anyway, we have gone hopelessly off topic here

[mortal prism]

Is there any chance there’s a stick not visible on the RG arc based on the position of the sticks on this guy?

Also my next piece of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is that this product is designed to use up 4” 640x480 screens because the 406 is gonna have a higher res

[visual stream]

IMO if the sticks are there, they will be very uncomfortable to use. But I really doubt it has sticks

Maybe that's a matter of taste, but this was very uncomfortable for me on SN30 Pro

Out of all my 8bitdos that's the gamepad I basically never use

It gets tiring pretty fast, I guess

[visual stream]

Not sure I follow

I mean, it's reasonable to assume that best case scenario they'll use the same screen as on RG405M/405V and not something fancier

[granite schooner]

iirc, Max Zhou said he liked the idea of a 960*720 screen when he was discussing a 4" D1200 handheld on Tieba. I think he's talking about a handheld like that having a screen with that res.

And by "he" in that second sentence I mean Pope.

[visual stream]

Ah, I see

Well, higher res 4:3 screen would be a big selling point

I doubt they'd debut this on something as niche as the Arc

[granite schooner]

Yeah. I think he was saying they'd use up all the remaining 4" 480p screens on the Arc so they could move onto a higher res 4" screen for something like a 406p, but maybe I'm wrong.

[visual stream]

Do you have a link? Haven't seen any confirmation for a 4 inch screen on Arc from Max

[granite schooner]

Sorry, I think I'm just confusing you. I'm guessing at what Pope was talking about. Max hasn't said anything about the screen on the Arc (at least as far as I've seen), you are correct.

[visual stream]

Ah, no worries

[mortal prism]

The original arc poster (not max) said 4” screen didn’t he?

I gotta say if this is 3.5” that loses a fair bit of appeal to me

[visual stream]

Yeah, Roland did. Don’t think it’s mentioned in the source though

Maybe the guy who posted the QQ chat on Tieba has a track record as some kind of insider, I dunno

[mortal prism]

You know, the other option would be that this is actually tiny and pocketable despite being shaped like a megadrive controller lmao

320x240 2.8” would be fun for a single system novelty handheld

[visual stream]

It kinda surprised me they went with stacked shoulder buttons here of all devices. Maybe that’s just following RG353P though

[mortal prism]

If this is a 4” screen I’d seriously consider using it for non-analog playstation 1 emulation as well as genesis and neogeo

[visual stream]

I think if they do the dpad right, many people will be surprised at how much they won’t miss the stick to be honest

There’s a good reason why that style of dpads is still used for fighter/arcade pads, and was used on both Sega and PCE stuff

[mortal prism]

I'm mostly just thinking for games that actually use the analog input and/or just need a dpad + stick because they're mapped to different things

[granite schooner]

Roland said that the Tieba poster said it was 4", yeah #1156905227014914068 message

On the second post of the Tieba thread, there's this post with 2 replies under it. I'm guessing one of those replies is from the QQ screencap poster, but I can't see it. Whenever I try to view the replies it tells me I need a Tieba account and app or something. I actually tried to use the Tieba app, but it's all in Chinese so I can't even get to the scanner 🥲

Here's the thread again btw https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8623632256

[visual stream]

Yeah, getting an account on QQ/Baidu is a quest I’m yet to pass

I think most of their web stuff is also tied to passports or SMS authorization, but could be wrong. So could be simply impossible for a foreigner

[mortal prism]

yeah, you need chinese ID for most chinese social media

[eager vault]

is there a qq room for it? what’s the #

I have an account

[visual stream]

Maybe @frail olive can help

[mortal prism]

the good news is that the baidu thread looks a lot like this one

"what is wrong with you, why is this a 3566, why doesn't this have a stick, this better be dirt cheap without all those things, why would I pay for dual OS on a 3566"

so no worries that the message has not been recieved by max

[trail edge]

How well does the 3588 play GameCube games

[mortal prism]

https://youtu.be/Q10fVD9Qf18?si=WSiabip-lFhVEQsm

this is the non-mmjr dolphin in that vid too due to an external screen issue with MMJR

so look slike it'll do a lot of stuff at 2x

[trail edge]

Is this using the rk3588?

[vale thunder]

Someone has to do God's work, glad it's them

[mortal prism]

yup, rk3588s (same cpu/gpu, just less I/O)

a handheld should actually work better than that in theory

since I guess some of the emulators don't like external monitors?

[trail edge]

Noice

3588 in the 405m form factor and I'm willing to pay upwards of 150$

[mortal prism]

3588 and d1200 are two options for 'good enough for GC/PS2 for most people' chips going forward I think

if you aren't going for the 4k upscaled s8g2 thing

[trail edge]

On a 4 inch screen I don't care about 4k

[eager vault]

is rk3588 a lot worse than d1200?

~20%?

[mortal prism]

I have a hell of a time finding any definition on rk3588 vs other manufacturer's chips

I think the 3588 can be easily overclocked if you have adequate thermals for example

[eager vault]

I’m done with loud handhelds

even the deck is noticeable

it’s not like a pc where you can crank up your headset and the box is under the desk

[mortal prism]

true

I limit my deck to 10 watts instead of 15 unless I'm wearing headphones

[eager vault]

I fear anything with a 3588 might end up like the rg552

[mortal prism]

that's a definitely possibility

we have no idea

what we really need is a 3566 succesor actually meant for a similar tdp range

[trail edge]

I just want a pocketable game cube that preferably runs emulation station

[mortal prism]

I'm willing to break my linux streak with one android handheld if it's the right android handheld

so I'll probably wind up with an rg406

[trail edge]

If it can play game cube flawlessly then I'll consider it

[mortal prism]

honestly I just want a 960x720 screen so if that was a lie on max zhou's part I'll be mad

[visual stream]

The Chinese users are a LOT harsher, I have found

They have an expression, “to cut leeks”, which means “to scam people”. Well, they seem to say that about every single device on Max Zhou’s page except for maybe rg35xx.

Kinda hilarious to me.

[dusty orchid]

Leeks as in, the vegetable?

[visual stream]

Yes

[dusty orchid]

I like leeks. Better than onions in my opinion. I feel bad 1bn people associate them with scams 😄

[visual stream]

I think he’s just really known for GB/GBA clones locally (that’s where he started out about 20 years ago), so anything that doesn’t look like a Gameboy and doesn’t cost like one still seems to confuse some of those people

So domestically rg35xx is probably seen as some kind of a return to roots for him

[dusty orchid]

Increasingly, now I have a Pocket Air, I suspect that's my use case for the Legion Go. Would I take it out of the house with me much over the Pocket Air? I doubt it.

Gaming Tablet/Laptop replacement/console for the TV. That just happens to have an amazing controller add on that you can use if you fancy it. X86 battery life doesn't matter if its mostly house based, and that's it's only flaw really.

And at that price, with high street shop support, it's still an amazing deal.

[vale thunder]

I'm beginning to like these Chinese users

[visual stream]

Their burns can get crazy, I wish I understood more of their memes

When Lhao Zhang did a livestream reveal of GKD M+ I was reading comments via Google Translate

"I did not come here to watch a 40 year old man pretend to be a teenager, show us the device already"

Really hold no punches

[hard locust]

Just out of curiosity, do you actually speak mandarin or are you using a translater? 🙂

[visual stream]

Oh no, I use translate only

[hard locust]

oh nvm, im blind you already stated that 😄

[visual stream]

Would be cool to learn Chinese or Japanese, but my last attempt to learn a third foreign language (after English and German) failed miserably.

Much harder to do that when you're an adult

[brisk trellis]

Japanese is often easier than Chinese
But both of them need to learn Chinese character

[hard locust]

japanese is at least much easier to pronounce

[eager vault]

I think Arthur/ayaneo get memed on a lot as well, especially because their prices skew higher than the others

it was relentless when odin 2 was announced

[visual stream]

Oh god, I've only watched one of his "as seen on TV" streams, I'd love to see Chinese comments to that

[frail olive]

'cut the leek' means maxzhou reaps the profit by selling new device to the same customers again and again.

Leek grows very fast

[dusty orchid]

Ahh, that makes sense.

[frail olive]

When they saved some extra money, max zhou then release a new machine to cut the leek

[eager vault]

roland do you have the qq # for rg arc?

[frail olive]

No, I haven't used qq for a long time

[spice topaz]

Oh, when did he/she/they leave?

[visual stream]

Somewhere around June, I think

[spice topaz]

I’ve talked to Christian (with the black and red Thundercats profile pic), he was conversational and helping some people troubleshoot the install process of his firmware. His instructions on GitHub are good (fewt also had a few warnings and tips to make the Jelos install go smoother, which I appreciated as a Mac user). Gamma is also helping people all the time in the RG505 channel.

[eager vault]

I thought someone might get this...
it's a photo of max zhou with odin 2 photoshopped in his hands and the caption reads:

"Odin 2 really fun to play, I love Odin 2"

[trail edge]

Kinda expensive though

And it's android

[spice topaz]

Bummer that he feels the entire server is toxic. I don’t know the entire situation, though I did read through this channel, but he reminds me of a friend I used to have. Helpful and charismatic enough to rally a core group behind him, Type-A leader, but you had to walk on eggshells around them, and they jumped on any opportunity to become indignant. Let’s just say it was hard to sustainably keep friends, and my ex-friend bailed out on my friend group and the entire audio industry around the same time.

Extra sad because he was particularly short fused when he needed friendship and support the most.

[mortal prism]

its a tough spot because obviously you'd prefer a lower conflict community but also... he's right.

like the argument wouldn't exist if we didn't have people thinking it's funny to troll a FOSS dev by spamming that they don't care about code being stolen, license terms broken, etc

which is straight up telling them you think all their work and contributions are worthless and you don't respect them at all

and then you have a huge swath of people valuing being civil over being correct and telling them they're wrong for interpreting that level of disrespect as disrespectful

so it blows up

now jelos discord is a place to get shit done that doesn't tolerate that level of trolling/disrespect for FOSS principles and this discord is a place to keep up on news for the latest hardware and they both do their job well - it's not that tragic for them to be kept separated if that's what makes everyone happy and productive in their chosen niche

[visual stream]

Yeah, the whole situation is a shame. I wish someone would help fewt as a kind of a buffer between him and the community

I mean, before the whole JELOS thing he would create and then drop 351ELEC (now AmberELEC) due to (if I remember correctly) feeling burnt out from dealing with users

AmberELEC would evolve to have a great community with volunteers providing support — don't know why that couldn't work with fewt in the team

[mortal prism]

I mean I try to share important jelos news here when it happens and jelos is not really a project that needs any input back

(unless you're actually gonna contribute to the project, at which point you can do it on the jelos discord)

its not a project that is looking for feature requests from the unwashed masses that don't code

[visual stream]

Yeah, I agree, fewt off other discord servers also seems to work well for everyone

[mortal prism]

for most users who aren't power users they benefit heavily from jelos even if they don't use it - that kinda dev centric firmware tends to fix a lot of problems, and then those fixes being open source get used in other CFW

[leaden plover]

Yeah this seems to be a main trait of devs here

They're all like that.

[mortal prism]

without the jelos kernel devs work on mainlining the 3566 the 3566 would never be supported by batocera, now 3566 is gonna go mainline which will help all the 3566 CFWs if they decide to use the work

and in the case of batocera is the difference between support or not since they won't use BSP kernels

they want everything they support on mainline

[visual stream]

Not really

I like to point to Batocera — they obviously have a MUCH bigger issue with Aliexpress (you can easily look up stores selling straight up HDDs with Batocera and ROMs).

And, well, their scope is a lot bigger than Anbernic handhelds

Yet they managed to find a way not to lash out on their own users despite all that pressure

So in the perfect world these projects need both developers and people who interact with community

[spice topaz]

I don't want to bite the hand that feeds me. But it was frustrating when I relayed that some youtubers had preferred ARKos over stock to the RK2023 channel, not knowing who fewt was (as a brand new member of the community, even if I was aware of JelOS yet I wouldn't have had a chance, since he was using a fresh nickname) or knowing that an outdated version of JelOS was the stock OS.

[mortal prism]

I think honestly jelos will get there, it's just not quite a big enough project for that yet

just need a small handful of folks who code enough to do some basic bugfixing and want to provide that support

then the devs that don't want to deal with users will no longer have to

[frozen dove]

Nahhh, way too small imo

The 3.5" is perfect here

[frozen dove]

Well, a lot of N64 games, which is what I wanna play on a 6 button device, use analogue movement. Can't imagine olaying SM64 with a d-pad.

[visual stream]

I mean, N64 games is not exactly a focus for me on an arcade-themed handheld, but I can definitely sympathize

Hope someone does an N64-handheld once we get an RK3566 successor (in terms of price/performance/TDP)

[mortal prism]

Maybe n64 wrestling games?

[frozen dove]

Where did you get the arcade-themed thing from haha

[visual stream]

My bad, the arc was here all along. Three of them, in fact

[frozen dove]

Huh

[vale thunder]

It's kind of a weird name for a Sega themed handheld unless there's a connection or influence somewhere that I'm missing, wondering why they chose Arc. Probably just cuz it sounded cool

[mortal prism]

The RG arc stands for arcade, I think they’re marketing it just as much for CPS2 and stuff

People use sega style gamepads as smaller/portable replacements for arcade sticks

[vale thunder]

That would make a lot of sense

[vagrant cradle]

yeah they're better for diags

and the six button is good for fightan

[visual stream]

Anbernic also seems to refer to this as the "fighting" machine, and that one does make sense

[frozen dove]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

I never play Arcade games so I didn't make the connection

Thought it's just a Sega tribute device

[visual stream]

Damn, I thought you were being ironic and kinda tried to carry the joke

Sorry, probably sounded way too sarcastic

[frozen dove]

Nah it's all good mate, I'm just running on very low sleep recently

[leaden plover]

You can play it on the rg35xx and it's not unplayable, give it a try

Oh right, you're a MinUI person

[frozen dove]

Nah mate, I'm way too used to playing that game with a stick. I tried the port on my 35xx while I still had garlic, but it made me want to yeet myself off a cliff (in game)

[strong tendon]

yeah i dont like it with a d-pad at all lol i've tried the port

[frail olive]

Basically it's a device designed specially for fighting arcade game emulation. It needs 6 buttons

The street fighter games need 6 buttons on the cabinet.

But games from neogeo need only 4

[leaden plover]

really wish the 405V had 6 butts

[leaden plover]

god that was a good day.

what a fucking clown

[mortal prism]

This with only the one stick 351v style would’ve been so sick

[leaden plover]

that too actually, yeah!

I didn't realise how much I missed a 6 button controller handheld until this was rumoured

[mortal prism]

As is I broke down and bought the 8bitdo arcade stick for my desk setup (delivery tomorrow) but that’s obviously a lot less portable than this

[leaden plover]

best you can do til we get this I guess? There are a tonne of 6 button gamepads for sure.

[mortal prism]

Yeah one of the reasons I haven’t bought an 8bitdo m30 is I’m waiting to see if I want this instead

In the meantime I’ll have to play genesis games on a full arcade stick or a four button controller/handheld

[leaden plover]

the original genesis d-pad was a lot floatier than I remember it being

was somewhere between a d-pad and a joystick

[mortal prism]

I would love a 6 button gamepad with the neogeo clicky stick

[leaden plover]

never tried one myself. Heard a lot of mixed opinions on that

[mortal prism]

I haven’t bit the bullet and bought one myself but I love the idea

Moreso on a handheld (like a NGPC) than on a gamepad though (where I feel like I’d just use an arcade stick…)

It’s a shame the ozone fighting 3 is likely to cost way more money than the RG arc

[leaden plover]

I keep coming back to this idea of a split d-pad

for one, it would make DDR games easier (but the timing issues would be hard to get around)

no accidental diagonals

but that's essentially what the switch uses.

i'd probably put them closer together to enable better diagonals on demand

[mortal prism]

Yeah, split dpads I think are actually probably the best for precision

I worry about comfort though

And speed

Like how fast can you pivot from left to down to right on a split dpad with just your thumb vs on a membrane dpad

And how comfortable is that fast pivot

Arcade fighters are switching to separate buttons for up/down/left/right but they’re using a fight pad where they have a different finger on each direction, they aren’t sliding one thumb around

[leaden plover]

yeah. Probably have somewhat springy floating directional buttons that are also somehow part of a chorent structure. Like imagine a bowl shape with a cross diagonally.

that would have to be finessed a whole lot

and probably have to have clicky switches to help feedback

[mortal prism]

I think we’ll eventually be landing on the ps5 controller here

[leaden plover]

oh is the ps5 d-pad split?

haha. well, you're welcome, sony. Time-travelling idea-thieves

[mortal prism]

it's connected underneath but separate up above the shell

with dome switches for clicky feedback

[leaden plover]

ah, nah I gotta have my split pad for DDR

[spice topaz]

Oooh, I thought it was because of the arc-shaped controllers for the Genesis and Saturn 🤷‍♂️

[eager vault]

RG DDR, do it Max

[mortal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[vagrant cradle]

Beg 8bitdo, their current NG pad is awesome

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-yo-max-razor-ramon-gif-25726027

[eager vault]

I love how max is always smoking

[mortal prism]

Does anyone know how old he is? I am assuming from his baidu screen name he’s only a year older than I am lol

[visual stream]

I mean, if we assume he was born in 1988, and he says he was already making handhelds 23 years ago, that means he was already making handhelds at 14

Which would be crazy impressive tbh

Oh wait, no, that would make him 12 at the time

[hard locust]

so he was a kid assembling this at some factory, normal chinese business, thats very believable 😛

[visual stream]

I mean, not that I think I could assemble electronics at 12, but imagine designing one at that age

[hard locust]

I know, I was trying to be (unsuccessfully) funny

[spice topaz]

I built a birdhouse when I was 7 or 8…

(And my freshman college roommate was 14 going on 15)

[frozen dove]

he looke like 55+ lol

[rigid fractal]

he was involved in the games industry before the 2000s. in the late 90s he was the main programmer for this company https://bootleggames.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Game_(company)#cite_note-:0-1

8 is just a lucky number in chinese so i don't think 88 is supposed to be his birth year

[frail olive]

Yes, 88 is just a lucky number in China. I think max was born in 1970s

[strong tendon]

yeah i gotta remind myself that 88 means something different over there lol

[mint crescent]

Is Max still on vacation?

[spice topaz]

Have you guys seen this? Looks awesome! OG Saturn 6-button layout, with a pair of Hall Sensor analog sticks! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X51Patmp41E

[shrewd tundra]

yup looks great

[frozen dove]

Yep. I want it so hard

[mortal prism]

It does look nice. Worried about the stick placement a little

If the stick placement isn’t actually that bad I’d use it for n64 too

[frozen dove]

Yeah looks kinda iffy. Twin stick is unusable for sure, but maybe using just the lefty boi won't be horrible

[spice topaz]

The stick placement doesn’t look worse to me than PlayStation Twin Sticks… same as the DualShock, the sticks are just “down” along the arc your thumb can make.

That wouldn’t be a sticking point for me, what would be is the four digital shoulder buttons… not exactly sure why they chose not to make analog triggers, but I guess it’s fine if you’re not playing racing games or games that use a half-press for secondary modes.

Here’s Retro-Bit’s compatibility spreadsheet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6df02q8fakvlpj0/SEGA® x Retro-Bit® Controllers - Compatibility Chart.pdf?dl=0

[mortal prism]

my main concern is how close they are together if you use both at once

like are my thumbs gonna touch tips?

I've seen that complaint for the 405v

[spice topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/tashi-tashi_tv-tashi_tv_-fingers-touch-gif-24848636

[leaden plover]

I'd have to get it in hand to see how that stick setup worked. Looks good otherwise!

[spice topaz]

Honestly, sometimes I do move the right thumbstick with the first joint of my thumb instead of the tip (benefit of hitchhickers’ thumb), but I doubt they would touch if using the tip of both thumbs to contact and push the sticks. They’re not super tall sticks. But we’ll see! When I start having some money, I’d like to try one of these, looks like a great portable controller option.

[fading sparrow]

looks terrible and I don't trust those stick placement

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XW6KDMV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

this one is much better if you can find one on sale

[shrewd tundra]

I like that the sticks are there even if I don't completely trust the placement for dual stick gameplay

[mortal prism]

If I wasn’t gonna get the one with sticks I’d probably just buy the 8bitdo m30

[spice topaz]

Out of stock for me!

[fading sparrow]

You can find them on ebay, but a lot of them are over priced.

the bluetooth version are still cheap though

[grizzled geyser]

There's gaiares

[visual stream]

I mean, there's no shortage of shmups for Genesis in general, just not Gradius or Parodius

At the same time there's Bloodlines, Hard Corps and Snatcher, so Konami definitely did not ignore Genesis

[grizzled geyser]

It's kind of strange yeah, all of the gradius love went to the pc engine and the snes

Idk if the genesis could've done the ost justice

[strong tendon]

might have been hard to deal with the more limited colour palette? gradius games were usually pretty vibrant

also genesis was #3 in japan so maybe they thought gradius had a bigger market in japan? castlevania and contra were definitely big in the west so it might have made more sense to bring those over to sega than gradius

[frozen dove]

Didn't the MegaDrive have the best sound chip?

[strong tendon]

not really. it was good at some things but really bad at others and hard to use.

generally genesis was great at electronic sounding stuff and could do solid guitar sounds too but was ass at orchestral stuff

[visual stream]

Quite frankly I don't remember Gradius music to be all that great. Definitely memorable, but it is the most famous game of the genre after all

[grizzled geyser]

It was amazing, like a lite version of a full arcade soundchip. But it's very different from how the gradius soundtracks sounded

[grizzled geyser]

That's a very hot take

Gradius 1 music was much better on pc engine compared to arcade though

[visual stream]

I'm not saying it's bad, just it's not that great you absolutely shouldn't touch it

[mortal prism]

The genesis sound chip is based around 4 op FM synthesis, the snes played back short samples

[grizzled geyser]

Still a hot take, gradius soundtracks are generally considered to be some of the best of the genre.

[mortal prism]

I love the sound of FM but it is very suited for distorted and metallic tones

[grizzled geyser]

It's ofcourse subjective

But Konami was great at music

[mortal prism]

I personally love how every system that is cartridge based has its own signature tone due to the fact they were full on synthesizers of sorts - moving to CDs obviously opened up the ability to do full recorded audio tracks which offered a lot of freedom to composers to use whatever gear they wanted but sometimes limitations breed creativity

[grizzled geyser]

Yea, MD really stood out for it's dynamic range compared to it's peers

[mortal prism]

Yeah, the NES meanwhile couldn’t even change the volume of the triangle wave only on/off and pitch

[grizzled geyser]

NES still had some great tunes, but it was very limited. Sometimes there's those indie retro inspired games that use an 8bit like soundtrack and I always think that's kind of a missed opportunity, because the MD or PCE soundchip could do so much more

[frozen dove]

got it
I just love MegaDrive soundtracks so much

[strong tendon]

yeah they can sound great. but there's also a lot of bad ones lol. i think snes was easier to get at least passable sounding cuz it was easier to just drop in samples than it was to program fm patches

[frozen dove]

there's a guy on YouTube who does modern songs in 4-8-16-64 bits

and I guess there's a reason why they use 2600, NES, MegaDrive and the N64 recently

all of those just sound iconic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULz2ZuyIvtY

MegaDrive bass was something else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Xyohy9dtA

[strong tendon]

yeah i mean snes just kinda sounds like a 90s sampler. which is an appealing sound of course but has a bit less distinct character to it

theres a little bit of character that comes from the very specific sample compression method it uses but otherwise most of the snes sound just comes from various sample-based 90s synths being compressed and shortened to fit into ram

[mortal prism]

The snes “reverb” effect (really a super low quality slapback delay) is pretty characteristic of the snes sound chip

[visual stream]

Well, yeah, definitely a matter of taste. I played through G3 on SNES at least a couple of times, and I honestly can't say any track stuck with me. Maybe the arcade version is better

Now, levels and bosses are another matter entirely, of course

[grizzled geyser]

I really like SNES g3

G1, G2, G3, salamander, parodius all classics

[visual stream]

Hell, I even love the Gameboy one

And the music there, too — both for nostalgic reason (played it as a kid) and because I think it sound impressive for the hardware

[mortal prism]

I have crazy nostalgia for sega style soundtracks even though I never had a genesis as a kid due to another platform where FM synth sound cards reigned supreme - AdLib/sound blaster MS-DOS games

Like all day today I’ve had bits of the duke nukem 2 soundtrack stuck in my head

But yeah Yamaha FM synth on a chip was also common in arcade machines of that era

Which I believe is why the genesis went that route - to be more arcade like than the naive waveforms of the NES or the digital wave table + analog filter setup of the Commodore 64 SID chip

[spice topaz]

Same. For example, Lost Vikings sounds smoother on SNES… but to me the Megadrive/Genesis soundtrack is much more exciting, dynamic, and catchy.

[mortal prism]

Those FM guitar solos just hit

https://youtu.be/6kINx1fCOCg?si=S85i5L5fd-kCDpJ1

[spice topaz]

Earworm right here 😂 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlYbMQSmg4g&list=PLErsx10Ke4uz_5qGnKwjOydvca4a0GD8v&index=2&pp=iAQB8AUB

[strong tendon]

Kind of fair but its kind of subtle in a lot of actual snes games cuz there's not enough actual ram dedicated to audio to do a ton. Just as many games fake it by using multiple channels. Early smw hacks with custom music used to span it cuz inaccurate emulators didnt emulate the audio ram limits right

[grizzled geyser]

Except it wasn't, composer skill issue

YM2612 is hard to work with due to being 4op FM, but convincing orchestra sounds are very possible

And snes... 64 kb sample ram bottleneck hurts it

[visual stream]

https://youtu.be/HwuZh38Ep5k?si=rHMj6JqtjdGYzL0X

Yeah, AdLib could sound cool on DOS machines too

Still kinda underutilized because more composer-friendly devices existed for PC games, so companies tended to hire composers who would write music on e.g. Roland MT-32/SC-55 and then convert the track to OPL3.

Now how many users would actually own a $500–700 device just to play music in games is a big question

[grizzled geyser]

FM music on western IBM computers is some ridiculous joke

absord backwards compatibility obsession made OPL3 extremely underused, misutilized

it was all OPL2, OPL2 used very poorly

i am in FM music community, i could write a damn novel of a biblical proportions here on this channel of what FM can do but oh well

i will share this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O6ZD92_E0c

in Japan it was much less insulting to the ears, NEC had two soundcards: one was essentially a halved Mega Drive sound system, second was Mega Drive system but done right)

[visual stream]

Holy shit

[grizzled geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDmSDPxTvZI my attempt at adlib music

[visual stream]

I understand DX7 is different, but kinda love watching this guy even if I still don‘t understand half of it https://youtu.be/PbrzL1FlatE?si=ADt6sn-6s0alOhm9

[grizzled geyser]

DX7 is 6op, and monotimbrial

but the basic concept of FM is easy

[spice topaz]

Awww! I was just getting into it and the track ended! Is there more to this one?

[grizzled geyser]

sadly it never got finished ;_;

[mint crescent]

We get any new info or is Max still relaxing?

[visual stream]

Could be that the rg35xx+ is next, unfortunately #1115674529998577825 message

[grizzled geyser]

no actual confirmation, just some random dude retrododo writer

[mint crescent]

More like control C, control V

[grizzled geyser]

my rule is to not believe anything until the official trailer with approximate release date

yk, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkMZaZ-zZo

[visual stream]

Sure hope you're right, guys — because it's been three weeks without any news, sadly

[soft geyser]

Nice, what software is this?

[mortal prism]

looks like furnace to me

[grizzled geyser]

Furnace

[sweet frost]

I'd read that novel

[visual stream]

Came across this while hopelessly browsing Tieba for news about Arc

Max really does smoke in every shot, doesn't he

[mortal prism]

I think smoking is just incredibly common in China for men his age

[grizzled geyser]

he looks much older than I imagined

[mortal prism]

He went to the beach that makes you old

[tepid grotto]

What if there was a the beach that makes you old but like it's targeted specifically to you. Doesn't matter who goes to the beach that makes you old, you get old

Please stop going to the beach that makes me old, I'm already old as hell

[visual stream]

Yeah, leave my beach alone as well

[prisma prism]

I guess this is officially a Max Zhou photo thread now

they better release something new soon or we'll end up doing Photoshop battles with his mug

[grizzled geyser]

about releasing... this year in general is pretty weak compared to 2022

what did anbernic release this year? rg nano, 405m/v

powkiddy also got slow

[strong tendon]

powkiddy released like 5 things this year lol i dont think that's slow

rk2023, x55, rgb30, max 3, x28

if anything powkiddy was slow in 2022

[visual stream]

I guess Anbernic also did 353PS, so 4 in total

2022: RG503, RG353P, 353V, 353M, Win600, RG505, RG35XX, so 7 models (8 if you count 353VS)

And yeah, not only did Powkiddy release more, they also actually had one with a different chip (the Max3)

[strong tendon]

yeah. powkiddy had a pretty dead 2022 lol wasnt it basically just the rgb10s and 20s

[visual stream]

X18S too, no?

A, wait, the first version seems to come out in 2021

[strong tendon]

yeah maybe the black version x18s or something? there have been multiple revisions of it

[visual stream]

Yeah, just a bit crazy to think we've had T618 for that long

[grizzled geyser]

i always was under impression powkiddy went dormant after black x18s, but now I see, yeah

max3, rgb30, 2 revisions of rk2023, x55...

[strong tendon]

yeah they're lowkey having a pretty good year. most of their stuff this year is at least somewhat popular. rgb30 and x55 fill good niches in their price range

[neat harbor]

https://youtu.be/Fd3LtCHE1Fg

[hard locust]

huh, I guess its their janky batocera again

[grizzled geyser]

Hardware looks surprisingly good

eh, rk3566

Really gives the vibe of a portable genesis

[grizzled geyser]

That should be good enough for most things you'd want to use it for though.

saturn is going to struggle, though

Yeah, but some of the 2d stuff should be fine

[left phoenix]

So no stick in the end

Is rk3k3566 even saturn/dc capable?

[grizzled geyser]

And Saturn emulation is never perfect, even on the strongest computer

[left phoenix]

I don't need perfect

[grizzled geyser]

2d games should do fine and 3d games with frameskip. Some of the lighter 3d DC games like crazy taxi might not even need frameskip afaik

It would be cool if more companies started adopting the more powerful linux capable chips, like the rk3588s or a311d

[left phoenix]

shame they didnt try to add a stick for n64

[compact lotus]

i probably need to buy that at some point

[left phoenix]

iwant the black seehtrough but with dual os 😄

[grizzled geyser]

dc is pretty fine, saturn is hit or miss

[compact lotus]

and tbh, i wouldn't mind a stickless device for once

[left phoenix]

htey could Arc+ in a few years with stick and stronger chip if this is successfull

i will probably get it ... depending on the price

shame that the transparent shells are only in single os version

[compact lotus]

also i hope they don't mess up the buttong mapping or if we get cfw that will have it set properly

setting up the m30 properly was brainmelting for a bit

[left phoenix]

reminds me there is also the Saunrn pro pad by retrobid releasing soon

[compact lotus]

not sure whether i like the saturn or genesis colours more

would probably be going for the dual os one just for the increased ram

for portmaster and such

not really interested in the android side of things

[left phoenix]

same .. as things look now ... i will get the white Arc-D

[compact lotus]

i assume the screen will be the same as for the 405

which makes sense for a genesis focus

[left phoenix]

looks like it yeah

[frail olive]

Nice

4 colors

[compact lotus]

hm, my sister prefers the blue coloue

[visual stream]

Sweeeet

Damn, I really like the colors, actually

White is a bit more practical, but doesn't make sense, since this isn't really a Saturn machine. Black gives me more of a Genesis vibe

Also the single OS version, huh

Ah, both colors I like are dual OS

[compact lotus]

same here

[left phoenix]

both colours i like are siingle os but i want dual one 😄

[frozen dove]

Not gonna lie, this looks really bad for an Anbernic product

503-tier

the 3566 is a weird chip for this system - too powerful for half of the stuff it's going to be good for (MegaDrive, arcade) but not powerful enough for the other half (N64, Saturn)

[vagrant cradle]

I will admit that I think it's a bit misleading/annoying that the handheld with Saturn colors can't do Saturn very well
But as stated Saturn is always hit/miss

[frozen dove]

I guess the single OS one is the only way to go

[vagrant cradle]

Also the worst part is that it's not good for all arcade

There are later arcade fighters/beat 'em ups that won't work on this v well

[frozen dove]

The transparent colours look MUCH better than the solid ones... the white one in particular looks like a $15 device

[vagrant cradle]

I agree

the Blue and Gray look amazing

[frozen dove]

So yeah I don't see any reason to go for the Android model

you pay more to get worse colours and better performance on the N64... but you don't have a stick for N64 anyway so Android is kinda useless here

[left phoenix]

i am still waiting for the price

that will be decider

[frozen dove]

transparent grey looks kinda cheap, so does solid black, solid white looks turbo cheap
but transparent blue looks perfect imo

[vagrant cradle]

I imagine domestically it makes a lot of sense
it's basically an arcade only device that plays most of what people care about over there likely for the equiv of ~50 bucks? Those handhelds are a bit cheaper over there yeah?

[left phoenix]

you could do emulated stick trough touch in dual OS version 🤔

[frozen dove]

indeed

$70 and under would make this really solid, $90 and over would make it pointless

[frozen dove]

if you hate yourself, sure

[vagrant cradle]

I cannot imagine a worse setup

I'd rather play Ape Escape PS1 on my PSP

[left phoenix]

sounds like lack of imagination 😛

[frozen dove]

I guess the only reason to go for Android would be DS

[vagrant cradle]

Okay sure I could imagine meme DDR cab controls for outrun or something

[frozen dove]

but if you want good DS, you can get a DSi in great condition for like $70-80 here lol

[vagrant cradle]

But for a normal type setup that one is bad

[fading sparrow]

I'd pay $100+ for that dpad/6button layout w/2gb ram, obviously I'd rather not, but that's probably where it'll be positioned

[vagrant cradle]

It looks really comfy which means I'll probably get it

[fading sparrow]

I'm sure they spent a bunch in r&d for that gotta make it up

[vagrant cradle]

Also there's an innate comfort in playing Genesis games with Genesis controls

and it just like, working with all prompts

as god intended

[fading sparrow]

Neo-geo is gonna be great on it too

[frozen dove]

I'll be considering either this or the RGB30

I love the MegaDrive, but I love GBA even more, and RGB30 can scale that better so it has a huge advantage going in haha

[fading sparrow]

Love my rgb30 but I can't pass up that dpad

[frozen dove]

they use the same chip so I can't imagine paying more for this than I would for that

so basically my algorithm looks like this

if (arcPrice < rgb30Price) {
buyArc();
} else {
buyRGB30();
}

hahaha

[left phoenix]

will definitely decide on the price ... still undecided between Arc-S transparent back and Arc-D white

[frozen dove]

I hope they make an ARC 2 with a T618 (or better) and at least one stick - then I'd slurp that device right up for my N64 and Saturn addiction

the 5th gen is my favourite gen currently, and there aren't any good Saturn/N64 handhelds on the market rn

[lofty patio]

looks comfy

[left phoenix]

yup stronger "Arc 64" with T610 (to be cheaper) could be enough

[frozen dove]

I don't think T610 would be enough, seeing as T618 already struggles with the more accurate N64 presets and Saturn

But Saturn, N64 and Dreamcast are a big enough value adds for me that I'd much rather pay $200 for an Arc64 than $90 for this Arc lol

[left phoenix]

as i said i dont really need "acccurate" personally , even modern PCs suffer to make Saturn accurate perfectly

[left phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[frozen dove]

Got it

[left phoenix]

(might be just my addiction speaking to get both)

[compact lotus]

wish i could watch the video right now to see whether they messed up the controls, but i'm at work rn

if they even showed genesis that is

[frozen dove]

I personally don't need 100% accuracy, but the more performant N64 preset I had to use on my RP3+ already had visual glitches in Ocarina of Time, while the optimal one only ran without slowdowns at 240p

So I imagine a T610 N64 experience would be quite unplayable for me

[visual stream]

I do think Android might be useful for Saturn though, but can't find any videos to back this up

But basically RK3566 only has Vulkan on Android, and Yaba Sanshiro seems to be targeting Vulkan lately, so that's my logic

And yeah, if this is Batocera, shouldn't be too hard to remap controls

I actually wrote the guide for M30 based on the nightmarish experience of making RetroArch/ES work with Sega controls, it should apply here

[frozen dove]

Funnily enough, my RetroBit Saturn gamepad had absolutely no issues in either RA or ES-DE, everything works out of the box as soon as I switch the controller into x-input mode

[prisma prism]

https://youtu.be/QzdKr3u39bk?si=-LJz9jb15ns034_e

there you go, that's what RK3566 + Android gets you in terms of Saturn

I have one of these and I'd rather play Saturn somewhere else personally

but I guess it depends on how hard you want the form factor over function

[frozen dove]

3D games don't look playable at all, yeah

Not surprising, considering most of them are barely playable on T618

[fading sparrow]

Getting the clear blue arc-s

[trim hinge]

Well it’s a good thing I cleared off a little shelf space

[visual stream]

In my experience after you map the gamepad in Batocera, Genesis controls break spectacularly

So I had to first map the controller in ES so that it would make sense in SNES/PSX/NeoGeo and then remap it in Genesis/SegaCD/32X via RetroArch

Because, intuitively you'd want Sega X to be SNES Y and so on

Maybe it's easier to map Sega A to SNES A, Sega B to SNES B and so on, but your muscle memory will hate it

[frozen dove]

Nah I get you but I just didn't have that problem 😅

I had it all set up perfectly

[mint crescent]

I don’t like any of these color ways. Ball majorly dropped on this one. From the looks of it

[eager vault]

is this thing is going to be bigger than the rg353p? screen is 4"

[frozen dove]

Yeah... The MegaDrive one should be darker and use red start/select buttons

[frozen dove]

It's just not similar at all, and the Anbernic one looks so much worse

[high cargo]

So what’s up with the rg-arc’s d-pad? Seems like it moves around a lot. Strange

[frozen dove]

The shape of the console also looks bad

[vagrant cradle]

I think the shape looks fine

[vagrant cradle]

This I did notice, that looked weird to me

[slate glacier]

Does the T618 have problems with 3D Saturn games? I mean I used to own a phone with a helio P70 and that thing is way below a T618, the only times I had problems with 3D Saturn games is if I'm using Retrarch (which is why the only time I use RA on Android is for 16-bit and below as there are better standalone emulators for more powerful systems), but with the the standalone Yabasanshiro I can play games like Virtual On and Panzer Dragoon just fine on my old phone

[vagrant cradle]

That said when I look at my own retrobit "Big6" the rolling pad also rocks a bit

...I mean they're supposed to but Anbernics looks like it goes a bit farther

[frozen dove]

on the T618 there was a ton of frameskip

the games run well, just not nearly as smooth as they would on my PC for example, and seeing the difference made me never want to use the RP3+ for Saturn games (I never wanted to use RP3+ for any games because of the controle but that's besides the point )

it's absolutely playable, just not smooth

[mint crescent]

I had very little issues with Saturn on that SOC.

[frozen dove]

I was getting frameskip even in Sonic 3D Blast with the T618 and standalone YabaSanshiro

and Sega Rally was rough too

so I didn't test very many games, I admit

[frozen dove]

that's actually perfectly normal! my Sega Saturn controller does that too
it may be a little looser on the Anbernic but I don't think it will be bad

[mint crescent]

This handheld will be good for early arcade and sega Genesis games

[frozen dove]

that's what we need to consider it as

with the specs confirmed, Saturn and N64 will not be a thing here

[slate glacier]

At this point they could've just used a much weaker chip to lower the price

[frozen dove]

that's what I kept saying haha

the 35xx soc would be perfect here

and it could run MinUI, which is the best handheld OS come @ me everyone

[slate glacier]

Well... I mean I'm a MinUI/FinUI user as well, and I know some Arcade games run a bit weird on it

I mean if you scroll up on the MinUi/FinUi channel, on this discord you'd see me issues with it

[frozen dove]

although Shaun is porting MinUI to the RGB30 so hopefully this one gets it too

[frozen dove]

oh, I didn't know that actually

I never really play arcade games unless they're GotW

[vagrant cradle]

Remember that early arcade is shit like galaga
it'll handle mid 90s stuff just fine

it's mostly any MAME title with 3D that'll be the issue

[slate glacier]

Yeah, you'd get scaling and color issues for some arcade games on MinUi for the 35xx, like Metamorphic Forcet. Ninja Baseball Batman, Lighbringer/Dungeon Magic, and a bunch more, don't get me wrong though I still love MinUI though

[strong tendon]

depends on the arcade board tbh. some early 90s stuff even can be too much for 3566. i haven't had any luck getting system 32 games like Revenge of Death Adder to run decently. but yeah for capcom and snk stuff you can get to late 90s for sure

[tardy chasm]

I swear this happens all the time

[visual stream]

That's the whole point of the disc d-pad and the reason why it's been used on fight pads a lot.

Frankly that's why I wanted this for shootemups and action games, should work like a charm unless they messed something up

[high cargo]

Interesting. Thanks for that. I’m interested in this one for sure now

[sweet frost]

Such an underrated game

Is there a core/romset that can play it without the broken shadow effects?

[strong tendon]

yeah its amazing. but yeah system32 is pushing it for 3566

[sweet frost]

2003+ plays it nearly full speed but shadows are fully opaque

[strong tendon]

fbneo i think runs it better then? but yeah higher system requirements, too high for 3566. i played it a little bit on my max 3 when i had that and it seemed fine iirc

[sweet frost]

Oh yeah fbneo chokes on that chipset

I’ll try it on my Odin, I finished the game with the broken shadows and it wasn’t a big deal

But I’d love to play it again haha

Shocked there’s never been a proper golden axe collection

[mint crescent]

No Killer Instinct.

[strong tendon]

KI gold might run tho? haven't tried that. not as good as the arcade version but still a solid port

[mint crescent]

Arcade is the only way to play that game. IMO.

[mortal prism]

I’ve only ever played the snes version

[visual stream]

Depends on your needs, really. I think Shaun said (#1010172628515950692 message) that he won't touch networking stuff (scraping, file transfers) because that's beyond his skill set. Same goes for Bluetooth.

Which is not an issue for rg35xx, but, well, I'd love to have it on a device that has wireless capabilities.

Then again I know a lot of people just upload full pre-scraped romsets at once, so they don't have that use case.

The alternative might eventually be Allium (the author says he wants to add all those features), but it's not there yet, and it's Miyoo-exclusive for the moment (I think 35xx is supposed to be the first port).

[frozen dove]

That's completely alright by me. I don't think I have any reason to use WiFi on these devices. On-device scraping would be nice, but MinUI is so pretty without box art that I don't need it.

As long as I can jump straight into games, change scaling and filters to my liking and not have to deal with a ton of menus, I'm happy 🤘🏻

[visual stream]

Yeah, like I've said, depends on one's needs. But looking at Miyoo Mini+ I'm definitely glad Anbernic picked a chip that has ES-based firmwares. Onion still has a long way to go when it comes to networking, and it's been over six months already

[lethal bobcat]

any ideas on pricing or release date?

[mint crescent]

Most of the time that info is out about 3-10 days after anbernic post a youtube video.

I say 80 for only linux and 100-110 for dual boot.

[mortal prism]

minUI doesn't do box art IIRC so no need for scraping

[visual stream]

Ah, yes, that's one way to fix the issue

[mortal prism]

but yeah if this gets minUI or another good CFW and is priced well (and that dpad is good) I'd probably pick one up as a dedicated megadrive handheld

[visual stream]

I mean, 353PS starts at ~90 bucks, 353P is 120 (using prices from anbernic.com here)

This one has a bigger screen but no sticks, so could go either way, really

[lethal bobcat]

it’s not 3.5?

[mint crescent]

That is what I am using for my theory. If Linux only goes out at 70 this sell like hotcakes

[visual stream]

It's 4 inches

[mint crescent]

Looks to be same 405 sceen

[visual stream]

Oh definitely

[lethal bobcat]

this could be a good follow up to the 300x

that didn’t have analogs

[mint crescent]

At 70, it a instant buy for me

[lethal bobcat]

i’ll grab one for the six button layout and dpad

finally something decent for fighting games

[visual stream]

I know I'll buy it, but not sure if I'll do this at launch.

Generally I don't buy anything day 1 even from Anbernic in order to try and sit out the first batch issues.

Then again, I've been waiting for something like this for a very long time, so...

[cedar sand]

Price is gonna be a big factor for me. I was mainly interested for Saturn, and since this won’t do Saturn that well, it might be a pass.

[strong tendon]

oh i didnt realise this was 4 inches

[jagged berry]

4 inch 3566? That's kinda hot

no sticks either, also cool

i didn't want to want this

[visual stream]

Yeah, I think my one nitpick is that I'd prefer to have solid colors on a Linux-only version

The transparent black one might be okay though, but that blue one looks weird

I guess they wanted it to be a Sonic handheld or something?

[lethal bobcat]

is that 1gb of ram difference gonna be noticeable?

[visual stream]

Good question. Probably not in Linux (people did benchmarks way back when 353P was released — no difference)

People say it could be useful for ports, but I don't know if this is a good handheld for ports in the first place. Considering it doesn't have dual sticks

I think the most resource-intensive ports are going to be boomer shooters and GTA games, and both would need sticks

Other stuff ran on RK3326 just fine unless I'm missing something

Like I think Jedi Outcast needs more, and I definitely wouldn't want to play it on this

[lethal bobcat]

makes sense

thought maybe for dreamcast/naomi it could help some, even on linux side

[visual stream]

Perhaps, but I don't recall any dev (or anyone who would have a good selection of RK3566 devices) point this out

People did notice that Powkiddy devices (like RK2023) seemed to have faster memory and did show slightly better results in benchmarks

But I don't think anyone actually did a comprehensive comparison of RK3566 devices since

[mortal prism]

Yeah I don’t think DC emulation is gonna use over a gig of ram

The big difference I would consider is whether you want to get a touchscreen for NDS

[hard locust]

though it might benefit from android as redream is just better than flycast

[mortal prism]

Though dreamcast with no stick sounds awful tbh

[hard locust]

it does, depends on game of course

I think im gonna pass anyway as this wont get either Jelos or Arkos

[visual stream]

Yeah, don‘t know if I‘m going to try DS here. Dawn of Sorrow might be a good fit, but I think that one has a no stylus romhack?

[mortal prism]

It does

[hard locust]

I would play it with no stylus romhack even on real DS

that gimmick gets old fast

[mortal prism]

If I get this it would be the single OS version and only if it gets good cfw

I’m not using anbernic’s crappy stock Linux or android rom

[visual stream]

Contra 4 won‘t work on this screen, unfortunately (just going off the genres I‘m interested in)

[mortal prism]

The appeal of this to me is that its res works great on every system that doesn’t work great on the RGB30

So if I had both I could leave 3.5” behind and use 4” for everything

[visual stream]

That‘s going to be your third RK3566 device, isn‘t it? 🙂

[hard locust]

something tells me hes gonna sell the 353V 😄

[mortal prism]

I hate and don’t use the 353vs lol

[visual stream]

Yeah, managed to sit the whole wave out

Was tempted by 353M, but glad I didn‘t get that one

[mortal prism]

Actually considering whether I should sell it or cannibalize its dpad and membranes to upgrade the feel of my RGB30

[strong tendon]

Yeah I like my 353m a lot but I think all the newer, cheaper, nicher 3566s are a better way to use the chip

[frozen dove]

Yeah, $70 and I for sure get this. $80 and maybe. $90 and I for sure don't.

[mint crescent]

At 70 after shipping it would be about 85ish. Anbernic no longer has free shipping

[frozen dove]

They were inspired by real MegaDrive controllers 😁

[frozen dove]

Yeah, $70 MSRP would mean around $100 after EU tax and shipping.

I am not willing to pay a cent more than $100 total

[visual stream]

Was that originally available? I‘ve seen this color on a Retrobit controller only

[frozen dove]

I'm 99% sure I had one like this for my md

I might be gaslighting myself tho because I can't find it lol

[visual stream]

Yeah, the closest I could find so far would be a line of official USB Saturn controllers released in the mid 2000-s, and there was a metallic blue option

https://segaretro.org/Fukkokuban_Sega_Saturn_Control_Pad

Doubt Anbernic went that obscure

Next thing you know, they're making a Famitsu limited edition version of rg35xx 🙂

Or a Toyota version or something

[dusty copper]

daaamn.
I finally decided to stop getting new stuff for a while and retrododo makes a video about the RG ARC 👀
This looks awesome!!

[visual stream]

Already? Can't find it on his channel

[visual stream]

Someone on Reddit mentioned a point that not a lot of N64 games actually used both the stick and the d-pad

Found this thread of games that used the d-pad at all, and it doesn't really seem huge

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/kjkjtj/games_that_use_the_dpad/

Hell, seems like my main N64 game, Doom N64 should be really nice

[dusty copper]

oiooh he must have removed it? It's not on my history either!

I didn't hallucinate it, it's the first tim I heard about the device and that's why I came here today lol

[strong tendon]

yeah stick and dpad together is rare. its often an alternate control scheme where the default option is c buttons + dpad cuz right hand for camera control wasnt fully standard yet (see turok, sin & pnishment)

[dusty copper]

@visual stream article is there
https://retrododo.com/anbernic-reveals-new-rg-arc-a-sega-inspired-retro-handheld/

[strong tendon]

bomberman 64 is also fully playable with dpad, it actually only has 8-way movement anywy

[dusty copper]

... maybe I read the article and hallucinate the video

[visual stream]

Seems like he posted a shot from the promo video and linked to the article in the „community“ section of his YouTube channel

[visual stream]

Yeah, here‘s golden eye. C buttons and d-pad seem to have identical functions

So I imagine having Arc‘s dpad mapped as the stick should work in many games

God that control scheme looks horrible (I know, I know, twin stick shooters were not a thing yet)

[strong tendon]

yeah but goldeneye/pd both had the option to use the turok control scheme too which is a lot closer to twin stick (move with dpad or c-buttons, look with stick)

and thats what i would recommend using on a retro handheld lol

[tepid grotto]

Damn this thing looking kinda sexy

[mint crescent]

This would of been great for shaking stuff.

[native sand]

Amu size comparisons out there wonder how pocketable this is?

[mint crescent]

The screen is 4inches 4:3 and go from there.

[shrewd tundra]

with a 4" screen + ergonomic but unusual shape, I'm not really sure how pocketable it will be

maybe less so than the rg353p

[strong tendon]

yeah also it looked like stacked shoulders? its generally kinda curvy, probably thicker than your average candybar design

[slate glacier]

Do the folks at anbernic ever check this discord? Like a part of me still thinks that they saw that fake 6 button anbernic handheld image that was out and about and then they decided to make it real with some minor adjustments, like this one doesn't have the analog sticks

[mint crescent]

Why didn't they add sticks and match the colors them?

[slate glacier]

? I'm assuming that's a typo and wanted to say "didn't ". I guess they just don't to blatantly admit that they took inspiration from that fake image

[deft pulsar]

Nah it takes too much time to properly plan out and manufacture everything and also figuring out the best way to use the battery as heat sink for the cpu

It would probably be more likely for powkiddy to do it given their worse build quality and button rattle

[slate glacier]

Either way, if they are lurking in this Discord, then maybe, just maybe, this joke edit I did and posted on Taki's discord when the 405v first got announced might see the light of day

[deft pulsar]

🤮

[slate glacier]

Like it doesn't have to be like that hahahah

[deft pulsar]

So you’re telling me the 405v could’ve been an analogue pocket clone if not for your post on takis discord

Ooooof

[slate glacier]

No no, I'm saying that maybe, If that fake 6 button anbernic handheld managed to see the light of day somehow, maybe my dream of getting a vertical handheld with 6 buttons might come to fruition too

[mint crescent]

too bad this handheld has the worse ergo after the odin2

[deft pulsar]

I mean maybe we get a rp1s in 2024

Most likely possibility imo

[mint crescent]

Upgrade the buttons and stick in the rp1 and I am all for it. Powkiddy A20 could of been that if they realse the source code for it.

[eager vault]

hopefully this has real stereo speakers

[strong tendon]

yeah i mean there's two grilles at least

[mortal prism]

front firing speakers are my fetish

[eager vault]

bad things we have seen before with two holes:

fake hole
no second speaker
both speakers output left and right
speakers out of phase

[strong tendon]

how many of those were from anbernic and of the ones that from anbernic weren't at least some of them fixed? but yeah idk we'll find out i guess

[lethal bobcat]

im late to realize this also has stacked shoulder buttons

[eager vault]

actually anbernic are okay with sound, rg552 is ok, rg353m was great , my problem is with their noisy headphone jacks

[frozen dove]

I am continuously impressed with this community's desire to make games that shouldn't work on a device work on it

I'm not saying this in a sarcastic tone, I genuinely find that very endearing because it's just not something I'd ever think about

Like, for me, the moment I see RK3566 I just write off N64 emulation completely because the chip isn't good enough to run N64 smoothly

And even if it did, the best N64 games like SM64 and Zelda all require an analogue stick, I can't imagine playing it on a bad cardinal-snapping stick, let alone on a d-pad

so to come here and read poeple thinking about how can they make N64 work is kinda inspiring, even if it's not something I'd ever do haha

[visual stream]

Nah, N64 is not something I immediately think of when talking about an RK3566 device, but I think a lot of people brought it up because of six buttons, so figured it was worth mentioning

[compact lotus]

another handheld whete the volume buttons are swapped, huh

also guess from what it looks like it's more like 353 screen and not a 405 one

[visual stream]

Nah, it‘s official this has a 4 inches screen

[compact lotus]

okay, guess my eyes are misleading me judging by the first picture

[compact lotus]

that's good

ah. ofc i didn't read the discription 😄

also i'm wondering whether the "F" button is actually a reset button or really one of their "function" buttons

the placing and the fact that having no reset could be problematic makes me hope for it being a reset button

either way, still excited what the first reviews will say

...or is that hole besides the card slots the reset...?

[vagrant cradle]

Huh, that's weird, there's a transparent blue with colored buttons and without?

I want the one with colored buttons

[compact lotus]

looks like a white one shell swapped with the transparent blue, as the transparent blue doesn't come with android either

[visual stream]

Yeah, it's either that or this simply doesn't have the reset button

[frozen dove]

You're @vagrant cradle, that's the one they're shipping

The MegaDrive Black one looks much better here than it did in the video

I'd actually go for that one

Unfortunately it's only for the Android model...

So I'll have to get the transparent blue after all

[compact lotus]

for some reason i expected the saturn one to look a lot more white instead of gray-ish, leaning towards the matte black rn, even if only for the additional ram

[frozen dove]

What'd you use the additional RAM for?

[compact lotus]

portmaster

i recall one of the devs in their discord mentioning that more and more ports were requiring more than one gig to run

[frozen dove]

Ah

I never got into portmaster

But don't most of the games require two sticks anyway?

[compact lotus]

that's actually a good point, quite a few will require sticks, oops

kinda forgot about that

😅

since the android side is useless to me i guess i'd go for the S then, you're right

[leaden plover]

That actually looks amazing though

[frozen dove]

Retrobit X Sega is a gift that keeps on giving

[leaden plover]

Yeah no kidding

[leaden plover]

/me reloads pins gun

Lots of good content in here recently ngl

[leaden plover]

There's something about that plastic colour that hits me right in the nostalgia

[fading sparrow]

Bigger than I thought, which isn't a bad thing, looks comfortably chunky

[visual stream]

Yeah, probably 200ish grams, like 353P

[native sand]

Too big not interested in this anymore

[left phoenix]

love the screen to device ratio

[leaden plover]

It's a monster

Pocketability is kinda out of the question

[frozen dove]

pocketability is overrated

comfort > pocketability any day

(this message was sponsored by messenger bag users gang)

I'm a little bit dumb

[leaden plover]

It happens

Seeing it in comparison to the 405V

Holy moly

Those rear grips look comfy, and it looks like the shoulder buttons are improved from the proto at least

[left phoenix]

looks more pocketable than RP3+ to me

especially with no sticks

[visual stream]

Yeah, RG353P was a big boy already, and I don't expect this to be small because of the stacked shoulder buttons

4 inch screen should be sweet though

[leaden plover]

How huge are your pockets, sir

[frozen dove]

I find Switch to be the perfect size for handhelds

So I don't mind these chinese ones getting larger and larger

[left phoenix]

looks like a same screen as 405m which is perfectly pocketable .... so this would be a tad wider and taller than that and without sticks

[leaden plover]

Looks taller and wider to me, but it's the shape, too

And those triggers

I mean look at this for example: #1156905227014914068 message

That's HUGE

[frozen dove]

Now Anbernic has developed somebody’s perfect Sega Saturn handheld in the RG-ARC.

sorry for the ping

[leaden plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1156905227014914068/1166633420957425756/IMG_0483.jpg?ex=654b330a&is=6538be0a&hm=253c3e273d7195227803e7c3f9da284915c1934feae186c2f3a684303c7be809&

[frozen dove]

retrododo once again with quality journalism

[frozen dove]

this is sexy

[compact lotus]

yeah, i found that statement strange as well

[leaden plover]

Agree but that looks much bigger than the 405m

[frozen dove]

it's retrododo, they are about as intelligent as the titular bird over there

[frozen dove]

oh indeed, like twice as thicc and wider too

gimme

[compact lotus]

haven't seen much from them tbf

also i'm not sure i like the blue

[leaden plover]

Yeah for sure I love it, and pocketability aside it's awesome

I'm just saying it's not the same size as a 405m which was up for dispute

[frozen dove]

they're uh very optimistic which is uh completely unrelated to all the affiliate links I swear

[leaden plover]

I'd get a transparent colour, either the smokey grey or the blue

[compact lotus]

i might go for the genesis black just because of the colour then

[frozen dove]

I'd get blacc + red EU MegaDrive coloured singleOS model

[compact lotus]

meh

[frozen dove]

but it don't exist

so I'll go for transparent blue 99%

[compact lotus]

i wouldn't mind a transparent red one

[left phoenix]

not gonna lie that device/screen ratio is great and shape should be super nice to hold

[frozen dove]

I like the blue a lot

[left phoenix]

less wide than i expected

[frozen dove]

I'm not normally a fan of transparent colours

but this one kinda fucks

[leaden plover]

Yeah this is an awesome colourway

[left phoenix]

the transparent ae singe or dual os?

[compact lotus]

single

[frozen dove]

single

[leaden plover]

Single

For sure

[left phoenix]

hmm so i might just get single black

[leaden plover]

Just rather a Linux handheld but

What CFW is compatible for rk chip while Linux

Watch it be garlic OS somehow

[left phoenix]

i will have transparent blue Odin2 ... so dont want to go for another transparent blue 😄

[compact lotus]

i'd rsther take onion. but well, i assume ark or jelos

[leaden plover]

Lol, it's probably gonna be ark out of those two

Jelos wil throw a hissy fit

[frozen dove]

JelOS, ArkOS, pretty much all of them work on the 3566

[compact lotus]

maybe minui given it runs on the rgb30 as well

[frozen dove]

the screen is new but forking those for it would be a piece of cake I assume

[leaden plover]

MinUI would be perfect

[compact lotus]

one can hope

[left phoenix]

iirc one of those said they wont work on anbernic device

[frozen dove]

yeah Shaun is making MinUI for the RGB30 anyway

and that's the same chip

[leaden plover]

Yeah that's what I'm referring to

There's no way

[frozen dove]

so once that's out, I don't think it will be hard to port it here

[compact lotus]

it's my first contact with MinUI and i'm freaking loving it

[left phoenix]

minui should be perfect 🤔

[frozen dove]

MinUI is soooooo good

[left phoenix]

i will mostly play sega stuff on this nayway

[leaden plover]

It's meant to be quite good on the rg35xx too

[compact lotus]

too bad there are many emulators missing as of now

[leaden plover]

But @frozen dove has never talked about minui for the rg35xx before so who knows what he thinks about it for the rg35xx

It's a mystery

[compact lotus]

and of course my x55 and my rgb50 are quite different, but a gameboy game on the x55 takes 5s to get into the bootlogo while on minui it feels more like i just flipped the switch on a gameboy, timing-wise

[frozen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-9579704

[leaden plover]

I'm gonna have to try minui aren't I

[compact lotus]

it's such a crazy difference

[leaden plover]

It sounds good.

[frozen dove]

yass daddy

[compact lotus]

(and i doubt the sd card would make such a big difference between those)

[leaden plover]

OK study break is over, back to the grind

Toodles

[frozen dove]

cheerio bruvva

[fading sparrow]

Both jelos & ark leads have confirmed they won't be supporting these

[compact lotus]

big ouch

unofficialOS to the rescue?/😅

[fading sparrow]

Been dead for a while yah?

Last release was april

[compact lotus]

yeah i know

[frozen dove]

I wish we had more reliable dev support for every new device, but before anyone gets mad at these devs - they are just normal guys, doing this one completely free, as a pet project, so as much as I and all of us wish they would support every device, it's understandable that they don't

[fading sparrow]

Yah for sure

[compact lotus]

no one has a right to get mad at them

[frozen dove]

here's hoping Shaun is a big Sega fan

😄

[frozen dove]

for sure - but I've seen a fair share of entitled people online

[compact lotus]

they're doing great work for the community for free

but having no support from those it might end up DOA for me then

that's a huge bummer

[fading sparrow]

Yep, blame anbernic, if they treated community devs better it wouldn't be an issue, which is funny because they're the ones who would benefit the most

[orchid stirrup]

Shuddup dork

[compact lotus]

and i'm in no way capable to do something like that myself unfortunately, nor do i have the energy

i don't even want to try to fathom how much effort goes into maintaining a distro for one of those things

[leaden plover]

Yeah it was brave of them to release an rk chip lmao

Wait wtf I'm meant to be studying

Brave/stupid

[fading sparrow]

Meh, I just want it for genesis/neo-geo

[visual stream]

I mean, this was to be expected. JELOS has a personal feud with Anbernic, and Christian didn't like RG353P, so understandable he doesn't like this one

[frozen dove]

Are you the writer?

I'm sorry if my assumption is wrong, but RD articles are consistently overpromising a devices' performance by huge margins ie. claiming N64, DC and PSP will run well on the 3566 in the RGB30 review is already a stretch, saying that the Arc will be "somebody's perfect Sega Saturn handheld" when the chip barely plays even the easiest Saturn games is a huge meme.

There were many, many other examples I've seen in your guys' videos, too.

[fading sparrow]

He is the writer lol

[compact lotus]

i wasn't aware of that feud between JelOS and Anbernic now the question is: what's left? batocera as a very hard maybe?
i don't like the thought of using android but also don't really like the thought of using a distro on it, that's handed down by our corporate overlords

[leaden plover]

Will you guys stop being entertaining

[visual stream]

I want to try just running Batocera's daily image to see if the new screen breaks things for their RK3566 image

If it doesn't, then it's just a matter of remapping the controls. I did the guide for M30 on Raspberry Pi, so I'll try to figure it out here and pass it to the devs.

In my experience, it can also work if there's a non-dev person who can do the testing and provide GitHub reports. E.g. in the past I did the testing to provide support for the Argon M2 case and fan for the Raspberry Pi

[leaden plover]

Jk don't stop being entertaining

[frozen dove]

there will be something

we are continuously underestimating how great the community here is - every time a device comes out with no hope of dev support, someone rises to the challenge and makes an amazing CFW for it 🙏

[frozen dove]

sorry blud it's in my blood

https://tenor.com/view/sail-awolnation-electronic-blame-it-on-my-add-gif-17700891

[eager vault]

amberelec is still working on rk3566 support

[compact lotus]

and i find most of these people amazing and have a lot of respect for their work, too bad i even fail at writing the easiest bash scripts to solve an issue i'm having 🤣

[fading sparrow]

From the article 🤡

[visual stream]

Tbh I don't know why you guys are even trying

[leaden plover]

WHAT

[fading sparrow]

They must write this shit in crayons

[shrewd tundra]

just a reminder, people here are free to criticize sources. don't feel attacked, instead take it as an opportunity to improve your articles/videos. by consistently listening to feedback and doing your research eventually you will build up credibility with the community again

[visual stream]

Yeah, but to be fair they've been on and off about it for the past year. Doesn't seem like they have any motivation for this tbh (just an observation, not a criticism)

Would be cool though, I really liked late AmberELEC releases on 351 devices. They also have a nice community

[eager vault]

yep, I'm not sure of their project status - it was good for my rg552 as well

[leaden plover]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-discord-argument-popcorn-drama-gif-22199421

[grizzled geyser]

a bit of PS2
whoever wrote this, stop doing paint thinner lmao

when T310 was running Mega Man X8 at like 20 fps, this thing wouldnt even manage 2

[fading sparrow]

This kind of stuff is the reason people come in to discords all disappointed, it's disingenuous to mention it at all when 99.9% of games are going to be a slideshow just getting to the title screen

[leaden plover]

But but but muh hype

[compact lotus]

yeah, when saying "up to", without any kind of measurement, i'd aim for to the highest demanding platform it can emulate (at least almost) every single game from

[fading sparrow]

Yep, even DC isn't very good on the 3566

[compact lotus]

otherwise it seems disingenious or however you type that

overpromising

keep hype within reason but then again, when is hype "within reason" 😝

[fading sparrow]

Hype up the fact that it's the first proper sega style dpad & 6 button layout we've seen, with a nice big screen & front facing speakers, there's a lot to like without stretching the truth on performance

[compact lotus]

exactly

and this is exactly what got me hyped - even as someone who never had a sega console

that is its stand-out feature

[fading sparrow]

Yah that made it an instabuy for me as someone who grew up on genesis, and that was after I swore "last one for a long while" after the last one 😂

[compact lotus]

well, i will see if it gets cfw support unfortunately

[grizzled geyser]

in general 3566 is "up to NDS". N64 is good only on Android, PSP and DC are meh, anything beyond that is just not worth it or downright impossible

[compact lotus]

i came to love that layout and dpad style using my m30 and it looks like a perfect genesis/segacd/32x handheld

but no cfw is a big thorn in my side

[grizzled geyser]

Maybe people can start to actually play genesis games instead of liking the idea of being able to play more

Saturn would've been nice, but Saturn emulation is always a compromise. (Extra input lag and low accuracy on not power hungry emulators(

[compact lotus]

and that 4" screen is tempting, too

[fading sparrow]

Maybe this time I'll finally finish Phantasy Star IV, been trying to beat that since I was a kid 😂

[compact lotus]

well, we have to see what reviewers will say anyway

[grizzled geyser]

Wait what

[left phoenix]

where is my 405 successor anbernic 😄

[grizzled geyser]

I thought it was gonna be 3.5 inch like the rg353p

[compact lotus]

did i use the wrong marker?

😅

i'm not fluent in freedom units

[compact lotus]

the description on their video stated that the screen was 4 inches big

[grizzled geyser]

That's pretty cool

[compact lotus]

i guess if it's great enough there might be some cfw eventually

and maybe i can take the sour aftertaste

if not

[grizzled geyser]

It looks good at least

And maybe it'll make people play musha and alien soldier

[fading sparrow]

I'm sure someone will hack something together at some point if we don't see any real options

[compact lotus]

it'll probably fine, that chip is more than strong enough, even if they messed up the distro a little

[grizzled geyser]

How is anbernic stock firmware lately?

[compact lotus]

it's just - and don't tske me as a free software nut, i'm not - but with what corpos been doing with their linux distros lately i've come to develop a distaste towards them

[visual stream]

At this point we don't even know if this is actually incompatible with existing RK3566 CFWs (controls aside).

But yeah, if CFW is a deciding factor for you, you should probably wait until someone actually makes something. True for any device

Screen might be a compatibility factor though

[fading sparrow]

wifi too

[compact lotus]

deciding factor, maybe maybe not, it's more of a sour aftertaste kind of thing

it pushes me back onto the edge of buying it while before i was at instabuy, asuming it would get some or come with some as powkiddy has been doing lately

[visual stream]

I mean, I did see people say they did not have any big issues with Anbernic's flavor of Batocera — here and on Reddit. Seems like it improved after the RG503 reviews.

But don't have any first hand experience to confirm

Just something people were talking about when RG353M got released and Anbernic drama was at the all-time high

[compact lotus]

well, no big point in worrying right now either way, just wait and see

[visual stream]

Yeah, true

[eager vault]

I heard RG Arc can play dirge of cerberus 4k 60fps

[fading sparrow]

Lmfao

[compact lotus]

but thanks for telling us about arkos and jelos support being unlikely, it got me off the hype train i was on

[frozen dove]

this made me genuinely laugh out loud haha

[frozen dove]

I bought the RP3+ as a GameCube machine thanks to "reviews" like theirs

There were some reviewers like Russ who said that GC will not be perfect, but I took it as "ah, if the others like it, he's probably just a perfectionist"

turns out none of the 7 GameCube games I wanted to play the most run at any kind of acceptable speed and I was REALLY disappointed with the device

this is why I'm in every thread setting realistic expectations for what a device can really do, continuously reminding people "don't get this T618 for GameCube" and "don't get this 3566 for Dreamcast"

[eager vault]

@frozen dove for the more recent generations, perfect emulation for 100% titles just doesn't exist on a handheld, I'm talking from PS2, GC onwards

DC is probably the last one, but even that one has some controller exclusive games

does seaman work or house of the dead with the gun?

[frozen dove]

even N64 and Saturn kinda suck for emulating on handhelds, but I'm no perfectionist either, as long as it runs full speed with a decently accurate core I'm happy

[fading sparrow]

Yah there's definitely levels, I was disappointed by the odin in the same way Mech was with the 3+

[eager vault]

yeah you could even go further and say ps1 is the last system we can say- yes it's perfect on "X" handheld

[fading sparrow]

Like it's at the point with the high end devices where it's just a few outliers, but even the pocket air isn't nearly perfect, just good enough for me tho

[eager vault]

sorry I'm not a saturn person so I forgot about it

[eager vault]

I never had a t618, but I have a g99 and was disappointed in ps2 performance

[fading sparrow]

It's really hit or miss at those levels yah, most of the games I tested for the pocket air spreadsheet ran well at 2x wide on the 3+

Without underclocking or hours of tweaking mind

At that point I usually just don't bother

[grizzled geyser]

thats why pretty much the best emu handhelds for N64 and later are x86 portable PCs, at this moment sadly

as much as I dislike them

[grizzled geyser]

emulation perfectionism is a good thing lol

you would be surprised that a lot of the handhelds touted as capable of perfect GBA emulation arent that

[leaden plover]

The odin 2 killer has arrived

[leaden plover]

Max Zhou with the armored core grip

Must have a mirror in front of him

[visual stream]

I think N64 has been kinda improving lately with parallel-rdp and all the other changes made in RetroArch? N64 emulator plugins are kinda confusing

Reading up on Saturn it seems like good cores would be Mednafen (requires an Intel Haswell at the very least) or Kronos (x86-only)

[grizzled geyser]

only good saturn core is mednafen, also called beetle

yabause derivatives are horrendously overrated

[visual stream]

Kronos too? Why?

[grizzled geyser]

noticeable lower compatibility (although the best out of yabause descendatns)

ST-V works good under linux only, there seem to be problems with windows

[frozen dove]

Beetle works fantastic

idk what that team is snorting but both their Saturn and PS1 emulators are cracked

[visual stream]

I think supafaust is also their core originally

[grizzled geyser]

yes it is

[frozen dove]

huh

so that's 3 great cores from one team

impressive

[grizzled geyser]

good and fast but not perfect

dbz super butoden 2 has some graphical glitches, would demonstrate but sold my rg35xx

life bar would distort

[visual stream]

Yeah, supafaust's big achievement is that I think it made Yoshi's Island playable on everything

[grizzled geyser]

still, ToP, star ocean etc run perfectly

[grizzled geyser]

thats not an achievement

running things like bahamut lagoon, doom, star ocean, dbz hyper dimension and obscure SA-1 games at playable framerates is

[frozen dove]

isn't supafaust more accurate than snes9x?

[grizzled geyser]

no

[frozen dove]

huh

when I was configuring my 35xx everyone told me to use supa for everything, unless some game is too slow on supa, only then I should use 9x

[grizzled geyser]

lol snes9x is too slow on 35xx, unless super outdated versions like 2005

[frozen dove]

I think that's what MinUI uses there?

[grizzled geyser]

im not sure, never used MinUI

[tardy chasm]

One day this chipset will die

[grizzled geyser]

rk3326 died in some way, so yeah

[shrewd tundra]

didn't powkiddy just release another rk3326 handheld a few days ago lol