AYANEO S

[fallen bloom]

For the memes

[odd dune]

[ivory trout]

Because whoever tested those needs to go touch grass

[swift harness]

don't question lmao

[odd dune]

lol

[swift harness]

I can prob stop it now lol

[odd dune]

well some of the test are old so I hope the xenoblade series is playable now

[swift harness]

temps are still at 50C
back/screen was not hot

90% battery but that's not a reliable metric

[fallen bloom]

Yeah yuzu moves fast

[swift harness]

yuzu moves so damn fast lol

[ivory trout]

@quartz viper This was after running the same race again twice at 6x aka 4k. I still can't hit 70c

It's also ridiculous that the Odin is running it at 4k and is still showing there's headroom lol

[swift harness]

alright genshin test started

highest quality + 60fps

I can immediately tell you this is running at 60

[odd dune]

I am so far in genshin x-x

far behind

[swift harness]

starving for new content

been playing since oct 2020

[odd dune]

yea since it launched but I got so caught up with other games

[swift harness]

trying to put bit more time into HSR

but only HSR's story is keeping me hooked

[odd dune]

after rolling and getting the weapon and Xiao I stopped

yea I like hsr a lot more

plus I am a sucker for turn based combat

[swift harness]

I prefer real time so genshin was just perfect for me

[odd dune]

I got into ToF for a bit but that died off pretty fast for me

I hope the new game they got coming out is fun for a while

[swift harness]

same

[odd dune]

ccc or something idk

[swift harness]

tried it, finished the tutorial

realized "oh yeah this is just going to be genshin ½"

[odd dune]

yea just didn't feel polished compared to genshin

it also made my phone into a toaster and killed my battery faster than genshin

[swift harness]

my poor S10 throttled so damn bad

seeing the o2 run it without turning into a hot plate or airplace is refreshing

[fallen bloom]

Run Pokémon go on Odin 2

[swift harness]

not sure if that's possible

[fallen bloom]

The og phone toaster

[swift harness]

oh yeah it would heat up that S10 too lol

"let me see my genshin clips"

every single of them has some sort of EDM playing because of shadowplay

[swift harness]

15 minutes in, still 60fps, cpu at 52, gpu at 50

floating tab (not even floating, it's the side menu) reports ~54-55

[swift harness]

1h, average 50-55C, 60fps at highest settings

[ivory trout]

Nice 💪

[astral kindle]

Wow it’s thinner than an iced coffee

[peak oriole]

April is launch?

[ivory trout]

April is the next 4 hour conference

We don't know when the IGG will launch but it should be soon after that

[late socket]

Any indication on battery life with this device?

[swift harness]

no

there's nothing really set in stone, eta's vid shows it either consuming a shit ton of power or the overlay is inaccurate

[late socket]

Thank you for keeping me in the loop. You've done it a few times now 🙂

[swift harness]

interested in this, not for purchase but to see how that chip performs

maybe other manufacturers will get their hands on it

[late socket]

It's grabbed my attention I must say.

[swift harness]

looks pocketable but I'm awaiting to see if that took a hit on thermals and battery life

if the overlay is to be trusted, it did hit thermals

[late socket]

I'm keen to see a size comparison with odin 2. That device looks wonderful but is a bit big. Same as the new anbernic.

[smoky pelican]

If it was priced somewhere between the RP4P and the Odin 2 (lol I know it won't), I'd really consider it. Even if I have to slap a grip on it.

[late socket]

🤣🤣 I have the same concern about price!!

But a 1tb, 16gb ram model.... oh my goodness

[fallen cloud]

He gets his toys and his bills paid whatever works I guess.

[idle lake]

There’s no way this is cheaper than an Odin 2 base

[swift harness]

yeah it 100% won't

[fallen cloud]

I'm curious what the bill of materials is.

Anybody know bulk price for the g3x gen 2 by random chance?

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-austin-powers-evil-one-gif-14681923667046200996

[smoky pelican]

Oh for sure

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[late socket]

I know right? And look at the size of the thing 🤣🤣🤣 how are they getting the crazy ram and ssd in there alongside a, presumably, competitive battery!?!

[fallen bloom]

What’s a competitive battery for you?

No way in heck it’s gonna be 8000mah

[late socket]

Yeah... well... whatever the odin 2 is I guess.

[fallen bloom]

Odin 2 is 8000

[dense jewel]

Odin 2 has a monster battery, this won't clear 6000 mah

Have to worry about the battery drain rate too

[fallen bloom]

My guess is 5500-6000mah

That’s about on par with gaming phones

Rog phone 8 is 9 mm thick and has 16 gb of ram so I don’t think the ram and ssd take that much space

[late socket]

Yeah! Something has to give in that tiny form factor. I'm with you - battery won't match odin 2. Good shout.

[cinder zealot]

Conversations like these make me realise people have really different priorities to me. Having a good battery life is nice. But past 4 hours or something....I mean, I rarely have time play longer than that in one sitting regardless. 4 hour play session without access to a plug or power bank? It's just not happening.

To be honest, 2 hours is kind of fine really. Putting something on charge when I finish using it just doesn't seem like a big deal. That's how I use my laptop.

[swift harness]

big battery life also means you can just forget about it and it won't die when you end up needing it

arm kinda does set some expectations for battery life by itself too

trying to wrap my brain around it because if this thing doesn't have a great battery life, I can't really see it being a success

[late socket]

Absolutely. And well said. We are all different. For me - 4:3 devices win by default, for example, and I know that's basically a fetish XD

[cinder zealot]

I kind of feel the opposite really. Charge infrequently, and you have more chance of forgetting when it is low, as you don't charge much.

Charge every time, and it's always got enough.

As for ARM battery life, doesn't the RP4 pro get 2 hours if you are pushing it, or something like that? So it can be good, but also....

[swift harness]

at least it's not 1:1

[swift harness]

rp4 pro gets a bit more than that

we're talking like hard pushing

pretty much worst case scenario

[cinder zealot]

Yeah. I get more is better. I get a bigger battery is better. But I just file it in the nice to have category, and then look at other stuff.

[fallen bloom]

Arm biggest benefit is the sleep functions

[swift harness]

my biggest "hold up what" is the fact that it seemed to be sucking 10W in ayaspace

which is insane

that's 3h of battery on idle (assuming it's 33whr which it prob isn't)

[cinder zealot]

I've given up arguing against 1:1 in this place. If people really want to play PlayStation on a 1:1 screen, well, fine. I don't get it though.

[swift harness]

oh no 4:3 on 1:1 sucks

all about the consoles pre-ps1

[late socket]

Yeah that's cool. I travel a lot and have been stuck on many a 20 hour flight in the last 20 years where I have nothing to do for the latter 18 - 16 hours because of dead battery 🙂

[swift harness]

8:7 / 10:9 / 3:2 ones

[fallen bloom]

Personally I stretch all my 4:3 to 16:9

[fallen bloom]

No free tv?

[late socket]

Oh I'm old, friend XD

[cinder zealot]

I tried to say that about the z1 unicorn. Why a 1:1 screen with a G99 chip? But people just seem to want it. I dunno.

[fallen bloom]

International flight I spent most of the time just watching tv or the map to see how long was left

[swift harness]

I fully agree

[fallen bloom]

Not enough room to use my switch

[swift harness]

it's such a horrible screen choice

you don't need a g99 to play what 1:1 excels at

[fallen bloom]

The sugar cube thing with an 888 snapdragon lol

[swift harness]

don't even remind me of the small universe

the fact it's a square panel but they hide pixels to go to 1080x1240

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, I mean, if you do end up in places where you need a large battery to make something work, I get that.

But even the train I get to work has a plug socket 😄

[cinder zealot]

I mean, the screen ratio isn't even the oddest design choice on that thing....

[swift harness]

the round dpad

the sticks

I just don't get who this is for

[late socket]

Hehe... I live in an impoverished place called UK XD

[swift harness]

like, pocket S, i have a small idea who this is for but the unicorn and small universe, ??????????

[cinder zealot]

I think that about a lot of the handhelds that come out to be honest. The pixel with the power of a V90 for 3x the price. The new powkiddy thing which is just like 10 other handhelds with the same chip. Anything by Trimui.....

[cinder zealot]

Do so I 🙂

[swift harness]

trimui smart pro at least has some purpose, it just begs to have arkos/jelos

[fallen bloom]

Tiktok crowd

[swift harness]

the new powkiddy, eh, they always do their own thing ™️

looks comfortable though

the pixel, confusing

[cinder zealot]

It's not that they are bad. It's just....I dunno. I struggle to get hyped about a handheld because it's the same as 3 other handhelds, but $10 cheaper or something.

Choice is nice. I get that. But it just doesn't change very much.

[swift harness]

yeah that's fair

I have an RGB30, an MM+ and an odin 2, I don't get hyped by a lot of the budget offerings

[dense jewel]

This is for people that put aesthetics above everything else

[swift harness]

like the rgb10 max3, neat but it's gonna be the same games as I play on the rest of em

[dense jewel]

In their mind of course, I don't think it even particularly looks that great

[cinder zealot]

V90/RP flip/pocket air. I see we have made a similar small medium large arm choice of handhelds 😄

[swift harness]

yep, even if I only use the odin 2 nowadays, still cool that I can chuck my miyoo in my bag and it'll be ready to go

rgb30 doesn't get travel, that plastic is just bad

[fallen bloom]

Until you get out in public and get the social anxiety and never pull out the miyoo

Unless that’s just me

[swift harness]

not just you, I don't usually play in public

[cinder zealot]

Aye different uses. V90 to bring along just incase, flip to play on the tube or not to take up much space in a bag. Pocket Air if I have space and intend to play.

[cinder zealot]

Why would you feel anxiety?

[fallen bloom]

Because it’s not a phone

[swift harness]

my phone just melts its own battery so it's not like I can play on it

[fallen bloom]

Same reason I don’t put my anbernic in Gucci bags

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-gif-26042600

crime

[swift harness]

hold on I may still have the image

[dense jewel]

As cliche as it is, life is too short to care about what strangers think of you. Anybody who would think negatively of you for playing video games is probably a dick head anyways

[fallen bloom]

Yeah in public I know

[swift harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485138525885431808/1041380523274154104/20211224_125157.jpg

[fallen bloom]

But have family that does the same

[swift harness]

what is social anxiety

and no it was not a good experience

[dense jewel]

D-pad on top gang

[swift harness]

I love the ds4 so much

I'll prob buy a used one and hall effect mod it + usb-c mod it

[cinder zealot]

The only time I get anxious about playing games in public is if it's eternal Darkness or something. But that's just because I want to make sure children don't see zombie things 😄

[fallen bloom]

Well people play porn on the subway here sometimes

[dense jewel]

It's kind of surreal really. Back in the 80s and '90s it was a nerd hobby, and I could understand not wanting to play games in public. Nowadays though it's completely mainstream and no different from YouTube or movies, everybody does it almost

I would say it's an irrational fear that you should try and get over

[cinder zealot]

[late socket]

No way man. XD

[swift harness]

yeah most people play videogames nowadays, I'd pull out a miyoo and run some apotris on the bus

[smoky pelican]

One of the main reasons I got the RP4P instead of the Odin 2

[idle lake]

I play my MM+ in public while waiting for stuff or while my kid is on the playground at the park

[dense jewel]

Caring what strangers think of you is a mistake. Your friends, your family, your coworkers and boss sure. But strangers? Got to get over that man

[cinder zealot]

My kids wouldn't play in a playground if I did that. They'd just want to play on the console 😄

[smoky pelican]

Only time I'd get nervous playing games in public is if it had anything NSFW. Don't really play any echii games or anything, but anything flirting that line. Ya never know who's gonna make a huge stink about it.

[cinder zealot]

That seems a reasonable concern.

I have a long commute (Peterborough to London for any UK people), so I do most of my game playing in public 😄

[odd dune]

twitter and reddit are dangerous apps to open in public

[cinder zealot]

Luckily, discord has nothing that would be worrisome in public.

[dense jewel]

So what you're saying is we need to post more lewds and nudes

[swift harness]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[cinder zealot]

True story, I was talking about a handheld getting tied up in customs. So I typed "tied up" into the GIFs section.

I did not expect what I saw.

[swift harness]

idk what I expected

[cinder zealot]

I expected this. And it is....one of the GIFs.

[quartz viper]

type "tied up" in gif search..... omg

those discord gifs are not NSFW

[bitter lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/love-live-honoka-chair-gif-17241451506238891262

[fallen bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-tied-up-tie-up-rope-help-me-gif-17649912

@cinder zealot knew what they were doing

[cinder zealot]

[bitter lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-mr-krabs-tied-up-kim-in-paris-gif-24090649

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cat-631428-gif-24226299

[cinder zealot]

I like the way they tied his EYES up.

Very thorough.

👀

[ruby vessel]

Lmao still no price 💀

[cinder zealot]

Probably won't be for a few months, until they do the big livestream.

[wild tiger]

But why

[ivory trout]

That's just how he like to do things

Announce product
Wait 6-12 months
Hold a 4 hour conference where he only gives half of the specs
Wait another 2 months to hopefully give the rest and a price

Rinse and repeat

[cinder zealot]

Ayaneo are a bit difficult to guess with release schedules. Sometimes things are announced and released fast, like the Next Lite. Sometimes they are announced and turn up within a few months, like the flip. Sometimes they are announced and take half a year or more, like the Pocket S.

They also have a habit of not mentioning the price until it literally launches. Even though their recent products have been pretty well priced for what they are, for the base version anyway.

It's best to just keep tabs on things, but not hold off getting anything, until a release date is set at least. They just arrived when they arrive, and you can make a judgement then.

[ivory trout]

The next lite was announced like a year ago. What are you talking about lol

[ivory trout]

Found the image. This is from July last year

[idle lake]

I also wonder if any of the delays have to do with any embargos from Qualcomm... seeing as nothing else has this chip.

[odd dune]

idc about any of that I just want to see the product and all the info on the next stream tbh

you can only dangle the bait for so long

[idle lake]

Better to just tune out and not check this channel for two months until the conference, probably

It's mostly people yelling about price and performance vs odin 2

[odd dune]

oh I know

silly tbh

people should know by now they aren't going to try and match the price

honestly don't think they even care lol

At the end of the day people are going to buy what they like

Just the drip feed info thing is lame af

[idle lake]

Not disagreeing there but not much to do about it

[odd dune]

I know

2 more months I guess

[idle lake]

[odd dune]

I just hope we get some sort of screen protector solution for this thing lol

[idle lake]

I feel like they usually ship screen protectors to early birds, idk

Do you mean something that covers the whole thing?

[fallen bloom]

It won’t cover the whole thing

The Ayaneo 2 has the same sort of glass front panel, and the official screen protector only covers the pixel portion

[quartz viper]

I notice that too. I was checking around to see if anyone else has it. Reminds me of razor edge was the only device with Snapdragon G3x Gen 1

[idle lake]

Maybe G3x is just a ploy to get rid of surplus chips by slapping a GPU OC on or something lol

[quartz viper]

And that was how terrible razor edge was as a device. underperforming.

[idle lake]

At least the pocket s has other things going for it, not just a glorified phone plus telescoping controller

[bitter lantern]

Sure but we had no info other than a name then it was just out within a week of its 2nd mention

[pseudo sparrow]

Any news about a price on this one?

[idle lake]

lol I feel like this a daily question now. Nope, probably not till April press conference.

[fallen bloom]

Pin a message

[pseudo sparrow]

Knowing Aya it's probably gonna be $600+

[fallen bloom]

I doubt it will start at that

[manic sapphire]

with everything i'm seeing, i'd pay upwards of 450-500....maybe not 500

[south glacier]

what could be price for 1 TB & 16GB RAM

1000$ ????

[cinder zealot]

No

[ivory trout]

Nothing is off the table lol

[bitter lantern]

Assuming it starts at 450 then 700 is pretty likely.

[ivory trout]

Latest geekbench from the last couple of days. Pocket S vs Odin 2

[swift harness]

as previously said, according to ETA (trust or don't trust, he does have it on-hands), those CPU numbers are correct

[ivory trout]

So yeah the CPU, which is most important for emulation, is about the same but the GPU is higher and we really don't have a use for it

[swift harness]

at least so far, ETA's switch footage doesn't show demanding games like TOTK and all

[peak oriole]

Oh shit he exists

[ivory trout]

He's been in that discord for a year and those were his first messages 🤣

[cinder zealot]

Well, if nothing else the S will show which emulated games are CPU bound and which are GPU bound I guess.

A sort of android version of the CPU Vs GPU debate we all kept having about the Next Lite and Steam Deck 😄

[swift harness]

the difference is that the next lite and deck are x86 so y'all have shit like PS3

and yuzu is much more mature on your end

[cinder zealot]

And pc games using the steam decks GPU more 🙂

[swift harness]

very hard to show what games are cpu-bound when we're not getting hw bottlenecked

I guess I could just, unlock the fps and we'd prob see higher results on the pocket S

[cinder zealot]

What the hell is that gif? Is she throwing up coffee 😮

[cinder zealot]

Aye. Less GPU bound should help with res changes as well right? So that's cool. Might help with low FPS switch stuff where lowering res to 0.5 makes it playable.

If your idea of a good time is Switch at 0.5x res 🙂

[swift harness]

0.5x is non existent here

FE:3H runs at like 16-20fps because yuzu's gpu code is bottlenecking

changing it to 0.5x doesn't help

though docked performance would be helped, but that could also just be improved by yuzu as a whole

tl;dr we have the horsepower, yuzu just needs to improve

[cinder zealot]

Improve so it can be more GPU bound 😄

[swift harness]

I want to see if we can push 60fps on persona 5 royal

[cinder zealot]

I just want ARM windows to be a good thing so we can stop all this silly android fiddling 👀

A big battery breakthrough to power x86 handhelds would also be acceptable.

Or X86 just gets to the point where Switch emulation can be done at 3TDP, and the battery/heat issues fix themselves 😄

[ivory trout]

Android is great though. Especially for battery life

Ease of use is much better with android

Windows is for the power user

[chilly arch]

Why not Linux?

[fallen bloom]

Yeah yuzu on x86 takes so much power requirements

Better to run the games that run well on yuzu nce on Odin 2

Or a native switch

[cinder zealot]

That too, as long as it runs PC games ok. Whatever runs games good really.

[cinder zealot]

Some do, some don't 🤷‍♂️ depends on which game, and which x86.

[fallen bloom]

I think it was the phawx talking in a podcast

He was saying how totk ran on a switch at less total power than a lightbulb takes

Which is impressive as heck

[cinder zealot]

Sure. Although I think I read somewhere the Switch running full blast is the equivalent of 5 watts on the Steam Deck, or something.

Native Switch is pretty potato. It's probably not as powerful as an RP2S.

[swift harness]

think it's close enough actually

[bitter lantern]

There are many games that I've tested that already run better on android than on x86 handhelds. Totk notably and it's not even close. Scarlet and violet aswell can run in docked mode better than they run on switch.

[chilly arch]

I think nce is probably an insurmountable advantage, but there's no theoretical reason, I think, that it would be restricted to android but just to ARM processor devices in general

The M1 macs could probably emulate switch incredibly well

[bitter lantern]

Potentially yeah.

Snapdragon X elite could do very well.

[swift harness]

that's odd for totk

it ran near flawlessly on deck LCD a while back, though worth pointing out in the long run, the android device will crash due to the memory leak

and scarlet/violet will either crash or freeze up at 0fps

[bitter lantern]

As soon as you get to the ground you tank fps. Pretty much anywhere will be under 20, many areas under 10.

On android same save i get 10-15fps more fps.

Scarlet and violet are wierd, someone on ayas discord showed 6800u running pretty flawlessly at 12w on the 1215u. But 7840 u needs 22-28w to hit 30 in handheld.

On odin handheld and docked ran pretty much identically, but they arent locked, but with async shaders enabled its still a smooth experience given that its pokemon.

Also looks so much better at 1080 on a small screen.

[swift harness]

I agree

[bitter lantern]

I wish botw was more stable, some ares drop to 25-26 tho with async shaders its fine.

[swift harness]

I do run violet on docked on o2, looks amazing

but totk, I'm still very confused because it was 25-30 for me

[bitter lantern]

Gonna try out some mods later, reshade and the Sv plus that expands the spawnable mon in the main world to all hidden mon. Legendaries too.

[swift harness]

only clip I have, getting some shader gen stutter here and there

[bitter lantern]

Havent tested on windows in a month or 2 but trying to go into the castle area ran at 8 fps versus 20-25 for me.

[swift harness]

ah the castle, haven't gotten near

still trying to do the gerudo part

[bitter lantern]

Yeah some areas were fine, sky islands almost all ran at 30.

[swift harness]

not too surprising, they don't have to render much

[bitter lantern]

Yeah

[swift harness]

will try async shaders on violet, been a weird framerate mess in some places on my end

[bitter lantern]

Ill have to test yuzu out on windows again. Maybe gpu drivers arent as bad anymore.

Doesnt improve fps a lot but it does reduce stuttering and less likely to do hard drops.

Between that and vsync its more than enough for pokemon.

https://youtu.be/IL1YzPM6EKc?si=i91vQg5nxRXV5mZY

[swift harness]

temps looking about the same as last time

70C

[manic sapphire]

Very excited about this after watching ETA video. GC on this @3x on a fairly pocketable 6inch premium build handheld. Damn

[hearty flint]

I think the best takeaway from ETA's video is that it looks like there will be a lot of configurations available. He had a 12/128GB model so I think we can figure from that we will see some configurations that are somewhat closer to the budget side.

[odd dune]

I'll wait for official announcements because pocket air also had a 6gb+256gb model that never made it to sales but it did get sent to reviewers early on

[swift harness]

it'll prob be like

8/12/16
256/512/1TB

would be horribly funny if they do
6/12/16

[late socket]

I'm genuinely happy for Odin 2 early adopters - what a phenomenal device they've had from day #1.

[swift harness]

ayaneo gonna need to learn some eldritch magic to optimize the thing

[odd dune]

They did a pretty good job with the pocket air

[swift harness]

waiting for russ's review

ETA leaves out a lot of stuff

[odd dune]

He also didn't do anything higher than 1080 like always

He doesn't show how far you can push these devices

[swift harness]

5x psp is close enough to 1440p

[odd dune]

That's 1080p

[swift harness]

1360p™️

6x would be 1632p

[odd dune]

I gotta check when I get home

[swift harness]

still would have went 6x if you asked me

psp was a weird resolution lol

dragon tamer

can't wait for him to showcase TOTK and it's pinned at like 85C

[bitter lantern]

We do know there is a 1tb option

[swift harness]

right

[bitter lantern]

If i had to guess there will be 8/128/256, 12/128/256/512 and 16/256/512/1tb

If 6 does happen it will probably be locked to 128.

[odd dune]

6 is a weird option for a high end device like this and o2

[swift harness]

6 is an odd option yeah

[odd dune]

But if they got it I guess it's for people who just want a nice device and don't plan on doing crazy stuff

[swift harness]

6 is just limiting, why go top of the line chip to neuter it

[odd dune]

Yea idk

[swift harness]

get a ferrari but only give it a mini gas tank

if anything, that would only be to say "starting at x"

[odd dune]

Should be fine for ps2 and gc emulation

[bitter lantern]

Bugatti with a smart car engine

[swift harness]

thinking it's gonna be like 400-500 for the "good" config

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cat-631428-gif-24226299

[swift harness]

I can,t imagine seeing a buggati just go by

and it makes 0 sound

[fallen bloom]

Promo material shows 16gb + 1 tb as the highest sku

[odd dune]

If I can get 12gb+512gb for 500 then I'll be gucci

[swift harness]

yeah changed my post

hopefully no 128gb option

[bitter lantern]

128gb ram 8gb of storage

[swift harness]

would explain the massive price tag

genuinely sucks this isn't oled though

[odd dune]

Yea but we have great ips screens

O2 and ally got nice ones

Was surprised how well the o2 screen is

[bitter lantern]

Air plus shell would have been ideal as a second model

[swift harness]

o2 has an amazing one, it's just that it would be a +1 on "this is better"

right now, looking like worse battery life and you might feel the heat in your hands

[odd dune]

Not a gamer if you ain't getting hot gaming

[swift harness]

as a gaming laptop owner, mood

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/tkthao219-ami-cat-gif-22792246

I remember gaming on a laptop

I used to have a little fan hitting the back of it to cool it down lol

It was cheap dell I used to play WoW and runescape on

[fallen bloom]

Real gamers know gamers

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-gif-10921580

[fallen bloom]

The YouTube comments are once again amazing insightful

I think people forget this is the switch oled price

[opaque hull]

Still no price update?

I'm expecting 400+

[peak oriole]

Yeah I'd say $450+, but videos and reviews without price are fucking useless.

[sly marten]

No oled is pain

Does look amazingly sleek

Love the look

Price will make or break this

[swift harness]

battery life/thermals + price yeah

don't think anyone wants to pay 500$ for something that's going to get hot in the hands or last 3h

[fallen bloom]

Ayaneo would beg to differ

That’s the premise of their x86 line

[swift harness]

apparently that's the ayaspace software beign an unoptimized mess

[odd dune]

just like the pocket air

was a turd software

now its a shiny turd

[fallen bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/poops-gif-1098760461398962888

[odd dune]

fantastic

[fallen bloom]

#🐈│retro-game-corps message

8 hours for RGC look at the pocket s

[bitter lantern]

Sweet

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/iggydr-coffee-morning-waking-up-best-part-gif-18218046

Folgers RGC

[fallen bloom]

In a cup?

[wet patrol]

looks like a steam deck commercial

[idle lake]

Do you not remember the Folgers jingle?

am I old?

[wet patrol]

i absolutely remember it, just saying that's what people do with the steam deck

[swift harness]

best part of waking up
is steam deck in your cup

[fallen bloom]

That’s a big cup to fit the chonk of a steam deck

[bitter lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NzmmEdmRWo

[swift harness]

so, how we feeling about this one

[late socket]

If under £350.00 it will give me a real headache, I must say.

[swift harness]

honestly expect 360-399£

[high falcon]

There is no audio jack.

[quartz viper]

Big mistake with no headphone jack. Odin 2 has one.

[idle lake]

Dammit I'm gonna have to order more of those damn usb c to headphone dongles.

Odin looks so chubby side by side

B E Z E L S

The screen does look pretty great as much as I can tell from watching a video.

[dense jewel]

Odin 2

• better analog sticks
• less smudgy
• better cooling???
• better speaker position
• better start/select button location
• more ergonomic for long sessions
• better dpad (more pivot)
• (probably) slightly cheaper for same performance level in emulation
• (probably) more color options
• (most likely) way bigger battery for longer play sessions

Pocket S

• more premium materials
• slimmer, sleeker, less gamery, looks like a phone
• ultra high PPI (490) 1440p panel
• better GPU performance for Android gaming
• a bit more pocketable (still not pocketable though in my opinion)

I think it's pretty clear which one I prefer

[idle lake]

Pocket S: Hopefully a display that doesn't have ghosting

After watching RGC video, I still have a high level of interest. But people happy with the Odin 2 they already own probably shouldn't buy it.

[dense jewel]

Ergonomics issue can be offset with the grip they will probably offer

Forgot to mention that

[idle lake]

Yep, I will def order the grip

I like ayaneo ergo in general so hopefully they don't disappoint here.
From RGC on YT comments:

2 hours ago
Update: after publishing this video, I’ve received feedback from the AYANEO team that they have watched the video and are working on some of the issues raised in it. In particular, they noted that the d-pad will be re-assessed, the back cover material is still in development, the heat distribution will be further optimized, and their software suite will take into consideration my suggestions. They will also reach out to the open-source driver developers to provide test units and coordination. I’m happy to hear that there is a far enough window that they can tackle these improvements before final production, which is a rare thing in this community.

[vocal lava]

Not a fan of all these completely flat handhelds

It's just so unergonomic especially for one that is completely made of like aluminum/glass that won't get much friction to hold it in your hands

I bet that if you get kinda sweaty hands this handheld is gonna suck

[sly marten]

God dam the device looks so clean

That’s legit one of the best looking handhelds I’ve seen

[idle lake]

The pocket S is quite a divisive device...

[fallen bloom]

Eh

I’ll probably still get it but the pocket air refresh with snapdragon is looking more appealing

[idle lake]

One of my two beefs with the odin 2 was the stick being so far down from the trigger - looks like the Pocket S will be much better in that regard.

[sly marten]

Is there a snapdragon pocket air announced?

[swift harness]

"better GPU performance for android gaming"

thought I'd butt in and say that it won't matter, SD8gen2 was already more than enough to run stuff at maxed settings

genshin impact is often used as a benchmark and the odin 2 runs it at highest settings, 60fps while staying under 60C (hovers at 55C)

[idle lake]

No, I think a long time ago Arthur said something about an ergonomic model of the Pocket S but nothing confirmed.

[fallen bloom]

There were rumors but they might of been about pocket s

[idle lake]

It may be the gripcase is their solution to that...

[swift harness]

SD pocket air would be sick though

I wish that's what they had went with

[sly marten]

Gotcha. Well anyways I’m on team this device looks fucking sick

[fallen bloom]

But it’s Ayaneo. They love the air model sculpt

[swift harness]

not my image

apart from the ear wax sticks (iirc it came with different colored caps in the box anyway), was a sick device in terms of looks

[idle lake]

What a bout putting it in the Air PLUS chassis

with the pocket s screen

[fallen bloom]

Nah

[idle lake]

6" 1440p with snapdragon.

lol

[swift harness]

stick with 1080p in that case

I'm of the opinion that 1440p at this price is a genuine downgrade in terms of battery life and price

[fallen bloom]

Battery life affected that much?

[idle lake]

Yeah but you don't have to run things at the full res

[fallen bloom]

It’s not an x86

[idle lake]

I don't think battery life takes much of a hit there

Also 720p is what 2x integer too so it should fit nicely.

[swift harness]

you'd hope so but so far my predictions point to it matching the flip DS in terms of battery life

[idle lake]

Nah.

[fallen bloom]

I doubt that

[idle lake]

It's possible it might be only 2hrs under full load, but it should get way more under lighter loads

[fallen bloom]

Rog phone 8 gets 3-4 hours

[idle lake]

Flip DS was 2.5 hours BEST CASE

[swift harness]

... I may have forgotten the flip DS is 2.5h idle basically

mid/high load, that's my prediction though

[idle lake]

It'll probably be like 2-3 hours worst case, 12+ best case depending on what you are running.

[swift harness]

2.5h just by existing

definitely not 12h imo

that's odin 2 which most likely has a bigger battery

[idle lake]

odin 2 can do like 24... best case

so I'm saying half that

[swift harness]

what the

[idle lake]

Take that chart and cut it in half

[swift harness]

def not getting that

[idle lake]

= pocket s

I mean I don't own an odin 2 so this is just from reviewers

could be wrong

If I could get 2 hours maxed out switch emulation and 3-6 hours ps2/gc, and more on 16bit/Streaming, I'll be happy.

[swift harness]

gonna say 1.5-2h for switch

really depends at the post-launch reviews

[fallen bloom]

Yeah my Odin 2 never got that far

Sadge

Anyways good to see more in the space

And looking forward to all the Odin 2 vs pocket s videos

And pocket s is trash! Ragebait

[vocal lava]

1.5 hrs is wild, but 1440p display power hungry chip, thin device with a pretty small battery

[fallen bloom]

Odin 2 killer?!?!?

[vocal lava]

I feel like the pocket s is a good "premium" alternative for those looking for that market, but it isn't something to really choose over the odin 2 unless that is specifically what you want

[swift harness]

not sure how power hungry the chip is compared to sd8gen2

it's supposed to be just an sd8gen2 but with a gpu oc

[idle lake]

Are news outlets finally done saying steam deck killer

[idle lake]

Possibly a different GPU. but cpu sameish yea

Qualcomm has been caught lying before tho

[fallen bloom]

No

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[fallen bloom]

We will have to wait. I remember with the razer edge it was supposed to just be an overclock and it was a fiasco

[swift harness]

razer edge was a rebadged 888 yeah

so far ™️ , geekbench shows same scores for CPU-side

haven't seen GPU scores just yet and even those aren't final verdict

[odd dune]

I'll wait for live testing

[fallen bloom]

Pretty sure the chip is under some sort of nda

[odd dune]

Gotta see this "performance boost" mode on pocket s

[swift harness]

I lied

there are opencl scores up now

2-3 days old

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/1783786

[idle lake]

Lines up with a ~30%+ increase

openCL scores for odin 2 in 9000-9200 range (Heh, over 9000)

[swift harness]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/compare/1796348?baseline=1783786

yeah ~25-30%

(odin 2 score is the one I just made)

[idle lake]

We also have no clue what any of these geekbenches are at as far as performance modes

for the pocket

[swift harness]

yeah I'm not sure either

high perf for the o2 though

it's a benchmark, we might as well go max

[idle lake]

yeh... maybe Aya is sandbagging us and running the benchmarks at low/mid perf modes

[swift harness]

would be funny

[idle lake]

It doesn't really matter tho does it

RGC video shows it handles everything anyway

I honestly don't think performance will be a consideration at all here. It comes down to price/ergonomics/battery/etc.

[swift harness]

yeah

battery life will be make or break for a handful of people

[idle lake]

If I liked the odin 2 screen and right stick placement more I wouldn't even care at all tbh

But I'm one of the few who didn't fall head over heels for the o2

[swift harness]

I do notice some ghosting but I'm not the most sensitive to it so I don't really care, I've been using screens with ghosting for a long while now

GBA SP 101 and my desktop monitors aren't the fastest in the world

[idle lake]

I mean my wife can't tell the difference between like 480p and 1080p lol.

So, some people just have different tolerance

And some people (me) are borderline obsessed.

[swift harness]

I have a friend that can't tell the diff with color coverage

drives me absolutely insane that some people are able to not be bothered by it

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

[swift harness]

average 240p handheld experience

[sly marten]

Nah dude, even on small form factor it’s crazy easy to tell the difference lol

[odd dune]

Surprise it's actually eta doing the testing

[idle lake]

I mean I'm a psycho who sold my steam deck oled and bought a Legion Go because I like high dpi and crisp screens.

And sold the odin 2 after 1 week

[swift harness]

lmao

the result doesn't say "this thing is a BEAST" in the notes

[odd dune]

Not yet

[idle lake]

[sly marten]

I would take oled in that instance, but decks res is definitely a downside

[idle lake]

The deck beats the LEGO in almost every metric except screen size/res/top end performance.

But I'm weird

[swift harness]

I know it's x86 vs arm and allat but it genuinely freaks me out the odin 2 scores higher in single core than my i5-12400

or my ryzen 9 6900HS

https://browser.geekbench.com/user/439120

[sly marten]

Nah I get it, some stuff really matters to people. To me oled is an end all be all for any device I’m spending serious cash on. I’ve used IPs on high end stuff and always am disappointed, so now it’s oled or bust

[idle lake]

I think the 7840u/z1e will bench higher than my big desktop rig if just looking at cpu calculations

[swift harness]

would have loved oled ngl

[idle lake]

I do love OLED for sure. I have an aya air pro and love that screen.

[swift harness]

I wouldn't be so hard on this thing if it was OLED because then cost makes sense

[idle lake]

And a s8+ tablet

If deck oled was 1080p I would have kept probably.

I know everyone says hurr durr modern games can't run higher than 800p

but like... there's plenty of games that will

and emulation/streaming

[swift harness]

you can have:

• 800P LCD
• 1200P LCD
• 800P OLED

that's your options

[idle lake]

I considered Deck HD

but then it's the heavier deck again.. and bios shenanigans

[swift harness]

yeahhhh

• their QC seems a bit crappy

[idle lake]

and the specs don't even look that impressive for srgb coverage. tho it probably looks fine

[sly marten]

Og deck screen was one of the worst screens I’ve ever used

[swift harness]

it wasn't bad but it did the job ™️

vibrantdeck only helped so much

[idle lake]

I actually miss the ally a bit now. I just wish the device shape was a bit better.

[sly marten]

No it was bad lol

[swift harness]

made the coverage so much worse

[idle lake]

So Ally 2 might be the next x86 i get

depending on what they do

[fallen bloom]

Did anyone fill out the eta bingo card last video?

[dense jewel]

Pocket S and the Odin 2 is the ultimate utilitarian vs aesthetics debate, they both lean really hard in opposite directions

[swift harness]

trying to find a good comparison

@sly marten I was told that the colors were already good on deck LCD and the 3.5 update (with the srgb setting) fixed them

(it was not lmao)

[sly marten]

🧢

[swift harness]

I was like that too lol

[rough jacinth]

If I’m going to spend $300+ on an Android handheld, it has to have little to no ghosting and input lag that’s no worse than the rp3+ or rg405m. Even if the Ayaneo S meets those requirements, I’ll be surprised if it’s priced competitively.

I wish they would have just dropped a Snapdragon in the Pocket Air.

[dense jewel]

I think they backed out of doing that so they could pull that out in the future, I bet we see it eventually

Pocket Air ergos, OLED screen and high-end Snapdragon processor would be a device with very little drawbacks

Endgame

[swift harness]

that's what I'm saying!

they had such a beautiful opportunity

[dense jewel]

Companies don't like to sell you end game products, sometimes I think they purposely give them flaws

[swift harness]

idk it's all you need

[fallen bloom]

They should just make an Ayaneo Kun android edition

[idle lake]

TJD T80? lol

[quartz viper]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-chef-pee-pee-thats-so-crazy-it-might-work-crazy-idea-thats-crazy-it-might-work-gif-25642113

[opaque hull]

This device is a excerise in vanity

[manic sapphire]

well i know nothing about exercising, but i'm in.

[fallen bloom]

From Ayaneo discord:

Here’s some comparison

Rog phone 8

iPhone 15

[dense jewel]

5000-6000mah is likely

Probably closer to 5

Mainly because if the battery life was good it wouldn't be a secret still

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, it came with black and red as well.

[bitter lantern]

Gpu is very likely new. Drivers arent compatible currently. An overclocked wouldnt break drivers.

[vocal lava]

I wouldn't really call that as a reason to not compare it to other thick devices

[swift harness]

there's still reasons to compare it

[idle lake]

Why do so many people that don’t want this device/hate on this device hang out in this channel?

[swift harness]

cause that's the entire point of an open public channel, to allow anyone to come in lol

also bored as fuck + everytime there's more infos, it's always looking worse and worse

[idle lake]

Idk there’s other devices I don’t like and I don’t go into those channels to dunk on them lol.

[swift harness]

I ain't gonna go in the RP2+ channel and complain lol, this is an unreleased device, I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to just glaze over it and be mad that some people are displeased with how it's being handled

at the end of the day, it's all good if people want it, some people are just not pleased with the way the device is made/designed

[late socket]

I like the look of the device. It definitely caught my attention. It is a little bigger than I'd like but I admire the design.

[swift harness]

it's a tad too thin for me tbh

seems about the same thickness as a joycon?

[smoky pelican]

I didn't realize that it was almost as large as the Odin 2

[cinder zealot]

Competitors to popular handhelds. People get defensive.

Every other post in the Next Lite rumour mill was either, just get a steam Deck, just get a Z1 ally, or, just get a second hand Steam Deck or Z1 ally.

Whatever. I am playing TotK on my Next Like right now, and I am happy with the purchase 😄

[swift harness]

next lite is pretty sleek, the size and lack of sd card keeps me away though

[cinder zealot]

It's a big boy for sure. I currently have mine using a little SD card reader hat. I am getting a 90 degree usb c cable to hide it. But I don't know why, I don't mind the hat 🤠

[fallen bloom]

Yeah a switch oled is 14 mm thick as well

So pretty much the same thickness

[dense jewel]

People that are interested in high-end Android handhelds, but just don't like particular things about this device

[swift harness]

I still lurk because g3x gen2 looks interesting either way, especially if it's a new GPU

[dense jewel]

Like yeah I dislike pretty much all Powkiddy devices, but I don't hang out in those channels because I couldn't care less about that subcategory of ultra budget jank

[late socket]

You need to separate the question. There's a spectrum between need and hate.

[idle lake]

I never said need. Nobody needs any device.

[odd dune]

I need this

https://tenor.com/view/espiando-espiar-blancanieves-staring-snow-white-gif-15571568

[idle lake]

I want it.

[odd dune]

That too

Lmao

[late socket]

Oh yes you are quite right. I apologise 🙂

The reason I hang out here is 2 fold. I have a hopelessly-misplaced desire for this tech to one day come in a 4:3 form factor, and I am also fascinated by the rise and rise of android in emulation gaming x

[quartz viper]

I need a sandwich. #1202097418880155698

[fallen bloom]

Rg406 hopefully

[fallen bloom]

Hmmm

This phone is 9 mm thick with a 6500 mah battery

But the switch at 14 mm is only 4210mah

So

Basically we still have no information

[swift harness]

it also barely has a fan

[fallen bloom]

It has one though I thought

[swift harness]

barely

here's the marketing for the fan

[fallen bloom]

Vapor chamber shenanigans?

[swift harness]

I'm not sure

lmao that's the entire thing

[fallen bloom]

Apparently it has good cooling still

[pseudo sparrow]

it does have an active cooling setup but it's not very good

I'd take a phone that was a few MMs thicker to have a more solid cooling solution if I wanted a big GAMER phone

[sly marten]

Here you go, I’ll stab over this device, one of the absolute best looking devices I’ve ever seen come to this space

Do wish it was oled but that’s my only complaint

[dense jewel]

I have to scratch my head at that, it looks like a phone with controls

Air1S takes the aesthetics crown

[sly marten]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-shay-nope-nah-nuhuh-gif-12298561

[pseudo sparrow]

The pocket S makes me think of that glossy black DS lite

[cinder zealot]

Reminds me of the RP flip fan 😅

[fallen bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/rivvvvvvvvvv-gif-24957975

[cinder zealot]

RP flip fan like

[fallen bloom]

Doesn’t sound like it

[cinder zealot]

Did you buy it after August? I think the newer fans are better.

I don't use my flip for anything above DC, so I never use the fan.

But it sounds like this 🐝

[fallen bloom]

People, what’s the new discussion point for today

[idle lake]

Uhhh. 1440p is overkill, Battery will be too small, too thin, too smudgy, Odin 2 better, price when, is the gpu new or just overlocked, aya support bad , just buy a steam deck, should have been OLED, needs to be under $50 to be competitive, gonna flop, take your pick

[fallen bloom]

Let’s talk about the Ayaneo tax

[hearty flint]

So much anger around the S. Its not like everyone is being forced to buy one. Im looking forward to more info coming. Then I'll decide.

[odd dune]

people will complain about anything now these days

like it? buy it

don't like? don't buy

simple

they will release like 1901230123 more the rest of the year and one might hook ya

[versed blade]

what is the Ayaneo tax?

[bitter lantern]

A fairly outdated idea that Ayaneo devices are not priced competitively.

Hasnt really been true since the ayaneo 2 and even that had the geek which was priced fairly. The ayaneo next, og air, air pro, and the 2021 were all super super expensive. And the price difference between the 2 and geek were also huge. That impression has stuck with the discussion around the products even tho now their prices are much much closer to the competition if not exactly the same.

[versed blade]

Only thing I don't like about this is the inputs on it. Small buttons and switch like sticks. The dpad looks fine.

[swift harness]

dpad looks 1:1 to the vita

[fallen bloom]

Good summary

[dense jewel]

Why do people not like this device 🤓 gosh they really should, I bet they can't even afford it!!! 🤓

[ivory trout]

Scrolled up and didn't see any hate. Only people trying to shut up any criticism

[late anvil]

You know by now all criticism is hate if they don't like it.

[ivory trout]

Certainly seems that way

[dense jewel]

A fair and accurate assessment. I would add on to this though that most people are probably referring to the higher skus. Yes the absolute lowest cost base option is competitive but the others are pretty ridiculously priced. I'm not even saying that's problematic, because they offer higher RAM and SSD options than the competition (I'm only referring to the deck and ally here not other Chinese manufacturers) and clearly there's people that are interested in those products, but it's still a fair criticism to say they're expensive. But yes the base options are competitive, and actually priced below the GPD offerings.

We might see more competition at the higher end whenever the larger manufacturers produce a 32GB ram variant

[fallen bloom]

That would be dope.

A LeGo with 32gb RAM would be nice for docking

[hearty flint]

Have you had the chance to use an ayaneo device with the small buttons and switch like sticks? In my experience the small face buttons have been great. The joysticks, while switch like, are not low quality switch sticks. Several around me, and myself included, often prefer them to the joysticks on my Geek 1S. However, i understand theres still a cost of entry but not a whole lot more than a Switch itself and its just above powkiddy tier to me.

[idle lake]

I will say that the buttons on the air series are good but can be a little fatiguing for games with lots of button mashing . That being said the pocket s buttons actually look larger.

[hearty flint]

Also, i never said hate. I did say anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[versed blade]

I have. I just want bigger buttons and sticks on bigger device.

[hearty flint]

Roger that. Do you consider this a big device? I don't really. Totally get what you are saying though

[hearty flint]

Fair enough.

[versed blade]

I say this about most devices. It's not just a Ayaneo problem. I felt like AYN had it figures out with the Loki. Then went back to the sorry Odin one style for the Odin 2.

Bigger also meaning higher end emulation

[hearty flint]

I like the sticks on the odin 2 but they are really spaced far apart for someone with shorter fingers. The face buttons are really uncomfortable to me.

As for emulation, we're all kinda stuck with what the devs have for us right? I mean i have no interest personally in emulating anything above PS2. I own all the consoles beyond that (well and that too) and i feel the game experience, especially for HD consoles, to be really compromised on a small screen.

[ivory trout]

Both this and the Odin 2 have the same size screen as a switch

So I don't agree that it's compromised

[hearty flint]

I dont count the switch as an hd console

[ivory trout]

@hearty flint Then what are you referring to

[late anvil]

I can't stand the small sticks on the odin 2, They could have use larger sticks 😒

[versed blade]

I mean I have a rp2s with the same sticks. They are ok. Just want the bigger ones.

[hearty flint]

I hear ya

[odd dune]

@ivory trout switch has a 6.2 get it right kira gosh

[versed blade]

so much wasted space

[ivory trout]

Switch lite has 5.5inch 😏

[odd dune]

https://tenor.com/view/inauguration-cnn2017-donald-trump-finger-wag-no-gif-20640184

[hearty flint]

It sure does, and oddly enough thats my favourite version.

[ivory trout]

What are you referring to by HD console? I'm confused

You can't emulate anything higher than switch on android

[hearty flint]

But most stuff today has done well with scaling text. Games in the ps3 nd part of the ps4 era didnt do that so well.

[late anvil]

nearly ruins the device for me

[versed blade]

especially at 300 plus dollars. I don't want same parts used in 100 dollar handhelds

[versed blade]

after I saw much wasn't changed from the OG Odin. I skipped it.

As in buttons, sticks and layout.

[hearty flint]

Correct

[dense jewel]

A fair criticism indeed, the Loki layout if it was thinner would make for an excellent Odin 3

[ivory trout]

That doesn't answer my question lol

[hearty flint]

Something that outputs a native 720p or more non scaled picture

[ivory trout]

I'm still confused by how that relates to emulation on an android handheld? You don't want to emulate HD consoles on a small screen so I'm still confused by which console you mean. The only HD console we can emulate is switch but you don't consider it to be that

[hearty flint]

Stop stop stop

Hold on

Weve gotten wires crossed

I was answering someone elses question. I wasnt trying to get into the nitty gritty. You are right. Switch is the tippy top right now on android. I was saying earlier that we are limited that way until more emulators for other systems arrive on android.

I did a terrible job of saying that

For that i apologize

To think, i got to skip english in college because i was so good at it...

[ivory trout]

No worries. I was just confused but yes I think the message got mixed up between us lol

[hearty flint]

No worries

[vocal lava]

we know xenia is working on an android emulator to come out eventually

but still nowhere near release

[fallen bloom]

Halo on the go

[vocal lava]

not sure if xenia would be more demanding than switch or not but we know its coming eventuallyyy

ah it got cancelled

rip

[idle lake]

I think once you get to a certain point there’s just pc ports of everything many games

[cinder zealot]

And they run on anything as they are so old. Win600/Loki zero are enough for most of those.

Next lite will probably do all of them on max settings.

Or you can buy a good gaming PC and chug along trying to emulate the console versions.

Fun fact, I looked into all the Xbox (not 360) games that were only on the Xbox (you can see the list on the wiki page). Of the list, I found 10 that were worth trying out on xemu.

Jet set radio future, panzer dragoon orta, some far cry/mechassault games....good stuff, but it's not much.

[idle lake]

https://youtu.be/MZNB_hWd_Mk?si=qZEdTOxmHpV_LDey

Video has English subtitles if you turn on CC

[dense jewel]

I watched that guy's video on the Aya Flip and he talked so fast even with subtitles I had to slow it down to 50%

Is there anything new from it? I really don't want to have to go through it again

😂

[idle lake]

Not really anything we haven't already seen in RGC/ETA videos. Some close up shots of the button/dpad action. He just states he has the same limitations on what he can talk about as the others.

[fallen bloom]

Tested the screen and it was 380 nit

Other than that nothing new

[versed blade]

I want to hate this but. I can't. The price will make me hate it for show.

[swift harness]

I'll hate it since yuzu isn't going to improve for a long while and it's so far not in a state where the extra oomf of this makes sense

[versed blade]

What company is Yuzu. Never had one of their handhleds

[wild tiger]

The switch emulator, not a handheld company

[versed blade]

Funny I can't find it anywhere.

[versed blade]

Suyu is there. Their "lawyer" went to 3 years of law school. They shoukd be good.

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-going-to-win-lionel-hutz-lawyer-attorney-marge-simpson-gif-20417635

[smoky pelican]

Since Nintendo assumed all of Tropical Haze's Yuzu and Citra assets in the settlement, wouldn't that basically doom any other forks of older Yuzu and Citra releases? Granted I didn't go to law school, much less three years of it.

[dense jewel]

Anybody who downloads Suyu deserves whatever malware they get

[vocal lava]

its all open source anyways, its easy enough to take the base source code and just throw a new launcher on it and call it a new emulator

the source code should be fine

(and you can find yuzu all over sites that sail the high seas and lets be honest this hobby is generally VERY open to those high seas so someone is gonna do it eventually)

yuzu was mainly shut down because the yuzu dev team was actually doing a bunch of shady stuff behind the scenes

bragging about getting totk pre-release, distributing roms on their server with certain members, locking stuff like totk access behind the patreon paywall, shit like that

[smoky pelican]

Yeah they definitely flew too close to the sun

[vocal lava]

really all they had to do was wait like 2 weeks for totk to release to release that yuzu update and they'd prolly still be around

roms being distributed on servers and patreons have early updates for emulators is nothing new

[versed blade]

did they get cold.

[cinder zealot]

Citra is fine. That was more just because the devs were involved in both.

Yuzu forks are also technically fine, as there was zero precedent set.

The only precedent is non legal. Sending a message to devs that making money off switch Emu in a way that is clearly involving leaked roms puts you on Nintendo's radar.

[proper crown]

You cannot un-GPL something, we have a right to share that source code basically forever

(And in fact, anyone sharing the binaries inherits an obligation to share that source code)

[smoky pelican]

Well this is all very nice to hear. Again, IANAL, so I wasn't sure

[fallen bloom]

IANAL is such an unfortunate acronym for lawyers

[odd dune]

Lmao

[ivory trout]

We used to have a company that did work for us who's acronym is CLiT

[odd dune]

[smoky pelican]

I knew this when I shared it

[cinder zealot]

I would be deeply puzzled if you did not.

[ruby vessel]

What happened to this device it hit cancelled or what I haven't Heard any updates from the company

[ivory trout]

More news next month

[ruby vessel]

Wow that's insane seem like they've been doing ads for 5 months now

[ivory trout]

This was announced in August last year so it'll be about 8 months later that we finally get all of the specs. I'm assuming we'll get the rest of the specs and price anyway

[fallen bloom]

Only after a 4 hour long “press conference”

[ivory trout]

https://tenor.com/view/sighs-gabriela-dawson-chicago-fire-eye-roll-ugh-gif-10924070

[bitter lantern]

Just a reminder, qualcomm still hasnt updated their product page for the chip, they are still refrencing the incomplete and under utilized spec sheet of the reference model they used to show off the chip.

[short parcel]

You guys remember the razer edge situation? Guess they didn't learn haha

[bitter lantern]

Atleast this time they actually got a handheld or of the partnership.

[chilly arch]

https://www.playtron.one/

Is it just me or do I spy an aya neo pocket S on their website?

[idle lake]

Yeah but I think it’s mostly marketing, pretty sure they just grabbed some handheld pictures and photoshopped their logo on them.

[chilly arch]

They (playtron) have explicitly said they want their OS to work on ARM-based devices though

Pocket S is one of the only devices it makes sense to target

[vocal lava]

with the snapdragon x elite coming soon it makes sense for something like this to come to arm

[ivory trout]

Yes but through a Linux distro. They have no plans for a base android version like an app. Whether or not that is something the pocket s could support is anyone's guess

[chilly arch]

Why would the pocket S not be able to run linux?

[ivory trout]

It's more a question of people supporting the pocket s. If that support is there then great

[chilly arch]

The news coverage around playtron makes it seem like they intend to do this

[fallen bloom]

Eh. Sounds more like a ploy to get investors to me

We’ll see if playtron comes to market

[chilly arch]

Yeah I don't really see how they are going to make money

[swift harness]

yeah idk how to word it properly but I get a lot of weird vibes from Playtron

[cinder zealot]

Potential invester bait and switch.

[chilly arch]

It's not even that, the plan doesn't make any sense?

They want to develop a linux distro with integrated game stores and launchers, for gaming, and achieve this by using existing open source projects like wine/proton and box64

There's no way to monetize people installing this

[idle lake]

I think they plan to charge the device manufacturers a license fee.

"Playtron will cost companies like Ayaneo a fraction of the price of Windows, he says, around $10 per head instead of the $80 that OEMs tell him they spend today."

[proper crown]

So make an OS that is open source and free for end users (even if they don’t provide binaries anyone else could compile it themselves) but then charge OEMs to distribute it commercially?

[idle lake]

Yeah idk I’ve been a skeptic since day one on this one. Not sure what it offers that bazzite and chimera don’t already, other than maybe paid employees working on it instead of community devs??

[swift harness]

Well, arm support if you trust their wording

[chilly arch]

And other integrated stores

[chilly arch]

Yep exactly

Even if there is a proprietary app at the top of it

In all other respects it would be the same as running any other linux distro

[swift harness]

that's already fairly easy to do on other distros, they'll most likely be using some kind of rare GUI lol

[idle lake]

Press Conference/Launch Event April 26th

[peak oriole]

$500

[pseudo sparrow]

That makes it a hard no for me

[versed blade]

Kind of makes me ||hard also. ||

[pseudo sparrow]

Jay needs to be sent to the corner again

[versed blade]

Good then no one will see

[idle lake]

We don't actually know the price. But he might be right.

[pseudo sparrow]

Knowung ayaneo it'll probably be that level of pricey

[barren wagon]

Android Handheld Will Never Be the Same Again

[swift harness]

500 base for sure

hopefully they improved the temps and battery life since last time I checked

[cinder zealot]

Who knows. Recently Ayaneo seem to have learnt their lesson with the pricing of handhelds. I think the Kun was the last one that was really overpriced.

The slide and flip were pretty competitively priced for what they are (difficult form factors). The Mini PC's were pretty well priced as well. The Next Lite is literally the cheapest X86 you can buy.

On the Android side, it's a bit difficult to judge, as there's only been the Pocket Air, and that was never set up to sold past a limited amount of units. I think the base was good value.

[odd dune]

all that is x86

this is the 2nd android device they are putting out

with glass and metal

they gonna charge a premium

with a chip that isn't out anywhere I don't think

they gonna put that into cost

[cinder zealot]

The pocket air literally had the externals of the Air 1s, and still didn't charge a premium, at least for the base.

I mean, maybe they will, and hope the market for powerful but pocketable is big. But I just mean it's not a definite.

[odd dune]

I mean 300 dollars is alot for some

It's a pretty device but we have seen other companies release stuff with features the pocket has at a lower cost

and we still don't know the battery size

and from the last preview we seen the chip was a little toasty

what sucks is no word on the other model they announced

which makes me believe they put that on the shelf

[cinder zealot]

Sure, $300 is a lot for some, but people seem to think the RP4 pro is a great deal at $200. And the pocket air had OLED, free shipping, free case, no need for grips, no cooling issues, bigger screen, better performance.....doesn't seem wildly out of place to me.

[cinder zealot]

The ergo version? Yeah, that's dead now.

[odd dune]

that new anbernic device has just as good of a oled panel as the air at like almost half the price

well

one of the new anbernic devices

they poop out a new product every 3 weeks

they announced it early imo

they should have waited until they could show it off during the last preview

They should have done it before cny

[cinder zealot]

Include shipping, and it's just over $200. And worse in pretty much every way 🤷‍♂️

Which is fine, for a $200 device vs a $300 device.

[odd dune]

they both play ps2/gc just fine

[cinder zealot]

I mean, there are no rules

In most industries, announcing a product in advance is the norm. It's just with these companies we've been conditioned to accept ordering a month after announcement as the norm.

Being told what they are planning in advance is a good thing really 🤷‍♂️ It's not like they took peoples money 6 months ago and did nothing since.

[cinder zealot]

Depends on the games.

[odd dune]

that's any handheld

we have seen pocket air work better on certain games better than odin base

but they mostly play the same thing

and the o2 just runs more games better

the real deal was 280 for the base pair

[cinder zealot]

It all just depends how much you value the extra GC/Wii/3DS/PS2/Switch I guess.

Personally....I think it's diminishing returns after the RP4 non-pro on Android. Price vs games it can play wise.

You can pay up to three times the price of an RP4 non-pro for some Android handhelds right now. I'm not sure it's particularly worth it for most to be honest. Unless you really want certain games on ARM.

[cinder zealot]

Odin 1 base at $200 isn't a bad deal right now, to be honest.

[odd dune]

the most demanding game I probably play on android devices is honkai star rail

I play some switch games on my o2p

but tbh I rather just sunshine it to my odin

[cinder zealot]

I've sold my Pocket Air. I enjoyed it a lot, but since I got the Next Lite I wasn't using it, and I sold the Pocket Air for about the same price as the Next Lite 🤷‍♂️

Differences in battery, OLED etc, so not better in every respect. But it just gives a lot more options.

Gains all of Wii U, and goes from a bit of Switch to all of it.

[odd dune]

my partner has mines as I just use the o2p and my pc mainly

waiting to see what we get later this year for pc handhelds

[cinder zealot]

I mostly play outside of the house, so streaming is redundant to me. If I was mostly inside I think I would dig the the g cloud+pc set up.

[proper crown]

This is not true. The pocket air OLED has a wider colour spectrum

The anbernic OLED is the same size and res, but it’s a cheaper display.

I still don’t think the pocket air is a good deal, but it isn’t strictly apples to apples here

(Not to mention how much more powerful a d1200 is than a t820)

[peak oriole]

In person, it's not a noticeable difference

[swift harness]

thing with the pocket air is that it was too late imo

[swift harness]

this is what I'm worried about

this isn't using an existing chassis

definitely gonna be a premium price and in the android market, it's pretty hard to survive

when you have the RG556 at ~170-180 and RP4P at 199 then the o2 at 299 base, weird ecosystem when the o2 is most powerful you'll ever need and it's not even fully utilized

[versed blade]

299 for a handheld that has ghosting. I will pass.

[idle lake]

I think the performance difference between 556 and Pocket Air for GC/PS2 is fairly significant

Being able to run games at 2-3x resolution scale is very nice.

Whether it's worth the $100 premium is down to preference.

As we've discussed before O2 really disrupted the pricing of the market. But agree with Jay, the ghosting was a turnoff for me.

[idle lake]

Especially with recent developments in the emulation scene. So the Pocket S is certainly a weird proposition. The o2 is already in a "do I need that much performance" tier for most things. But it was the only 6" device in the android space.

But some, like me, are stupid enough to entertain buying one.

:p

[swift harness]

has anyone checked that the pocket S doesn't have any?

[idle lake]

All we can go by are RGC and ETA's videos.

[swift harness]

like, genuine question

[idle lake]

But they both IIRC had high praise for the screen

[swift harness]

I'm sure it looks great

[idle lake]

Though neither are technical reviewers

[swift harness]

that's why I was asking

I don't trust ETA's word much

[versed blade]

If it does. I will pass on it also. At 300 dollars you shouldn't have something a 100 dollar handhelds don't have. Just my personal option on it.

[swift harness]

that's fair, still think it's an absolute steal at 299 seeing at what chip it has inside while everything under has to settle with a older lower end chip

thankfully I'm not affected by the ghosting much, probably due to my constant years of playing on an SP 101

[idle lake]

Everyone thought I was crazy for immediately selling o2 because of ghosting and right hand position. At least I'm not the only one ha

[versed blade]

There are other reasons why also. Didn't fix the layout form the OG Odin or the input delay.

I get why people love them. Just for that high of a price tag the issue I have with it. Out weight the raw power of it.

[idle lake]

Yep, agree

[swift harness]

only game I was personally able to see lag was SM Wonder, we do need a more scientific measurement

[swift harness]

that one platform level on like world 2/3 had me raging lmao

[ivory trout]

There isn't input delay 🤦‍♂️ this myth needs to die. Like seriously

[versed blade]

Sure

There is always input delay. The amount will vary from handheld to handheld. Some have a lot more than others. Saying there is none is just false.

[ivory trout]

You know what I meant...

[versed blade]

https://tenor.com/view/anxious-tensed-tongue-out-cute-nervous-gif-12932716363122513577

[smoky pelican]

The sticks should both be up top

[versed blade]

works for the deck

[smoky pelican]

Also works for the Wii U. Was it weird at first? Yeah. But you can have as tall thumbsticks as you want and you won't accidentally hit them while trying to use your buttons and/or D-pad

[versed blade]

I think AYN did great with the Loki layout. Sure it would of made the odin 2 a little longer. But at that point what does it matter.

[smoky pelican]

The longer layout definintely helped. I still wind up hitting that right stick accidentally sometimes, though.

[versed blade]

This look like it will have the same problems

[swift harness]

it'll def have the same issues

especially if you put a cap on that stick

[cinder zealot]

For people who hate usig D-pads, and uhh, hate buttons as well.

[cinder zealot]

Yeah, but it would be more like if the wii U looked like

[fallen bloom]

Sticks on front, buttons on back

Needs to happen

[cinder zealot]

Could assign the triggers to ABXY

[fallen bloom]

Ai sticks- predicts where you would move the analogs so no need for them

[cinder zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-data-the-next-generation-strategema-peak-performance-gif-24785627

[fallen bloom]

Ha his name is data

[smoky pelican]

I was thinking more for landscape handhelds. That thing looks like an abomination through and through.

[smoky pelican]

Wait nvm this actually kinda slaps

[idle lake]

I think having the device wider makes it not so bad. Bunched up having the sticks above would suck.

[hushed parrot]

i genuinely dont see the ghosting honestly

[proper crown]

I can tell in menus, maybe perceive it in really quickly scrolling games like sonic as a general lack of clarity

It’s certainly not bad enough to be an issue in most 3D games

[swift harness]

for 2d stuff like GBA, I often have a interframe blending on

soooo

[proper crown]

I mean there it’s ‘authentic’

CRT systems it is not

[south glacier]

Is this thing launching or S stands for Super late or never

[swift harness]

more info on the 26th

[fallen bloom]

A few more days then we can all get our sticks out to beat it down

Main thing will be they waited way too long from announcing it

[versed blade]

It will most likely have a limited supply. So Ayaneo wins

[fallen cloud]

2026?

[idle lake]

Tomorrow.

[chilly coral]

Looks like the mid frame is now in silver on the white version.

[barren wagon]

looks good hope its only $50

oops meant $500, but damn

[swift harness]

I have bad news for you

[maiden tulip]

Biggest questions I have for this one, which I hope we finally get answered. What’s the battery life? How much? Delivery when?

[chilly coral]

I'd get one as long as it's not much more expensive than Odin2.

[swift harness]

no way this isn't 499$ base

[fallen cloud]

I hope they say it's 399$

It won't be

But I'm hoping anyway

I can be disappointed tomorrow

But I'm good for now.

[tardy shell]

maybe qualcomm is subsidizing it, $299

[gentle tinsel]

Leaked price of $529 for base model. Comes with private snap feed of arthur's only fans

[tardy shell]

it's almost time

[fallen bloom]

Not quite the Waifu edition I was thinking of but glad they branching out finally

[covert gust]

@misty drum is aya famous now 😅

[covert gust]

Prices!

[wet patrol]

what does unmarked mean?

[swift harness]

no labels on buttons apparently

[wet patrol]

$70 for no markings?!

[covert gust]

Those switch style sticks make me sad

[blazing granite]

Wasn't there supposed to be a full ergonomic alternate model? Looks like it's just the standard comfort grips a lot of devices have. Nothing wrong with that, though these ones look a bit too tiny to be extremely useful lol

[odd bough]

The igg campaign is live: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pocket-s-snapdragon-g3x-gen2-new-android-handheld/coming_soon

[covert gust]

Anything this can do my odin 2 max can’t?

[swift harness]

nothing the odin 2 base can't do

apart from like, big texture packs where you'd want an o2 pro

[covert gust]

Ah then i see no need to change then 😅

Saved me some cash

[gentle tinsel]

Indiegogo contribution #98 receipt for Pocket S: Snapdragon

[maiden tulip]

I’m waiting until we get more reviews from shipped units, I have an Odin 2 Max, so I can’t really see any value for this outside of it being thinner.

[covert gust]

Plus its Aya. So you have to roll the dice on customer services support

Unless it can do something spectacular that my odin 2 can’t then it’s a pass from me. Call me when they get oled 😅😂

1440p isn’t really going to be that noticeable on a 6inch screen.

[inland holly]

Can I expect a signifficant difference between 1080p and 1440p on 6"? Or is also the display type, color quality, angles etc. gonna be different?

[swift harness]

the 1080p version wasn't reviewed yet

so you'd want to wait

[covert gust]

Im no expert. But i have seen phone displays, and it’s really hard to see difference between 1440p and 1080p but thats with my eyes. So someone else may be able to pick things up better

[swift harness]

res difference though, imo you won't see a difference, color, response times, etc you'll want to wait and see

not to mention the 1440p version will consume more battery

[inland holly]

ok, I can wait. Tbh I'd rather RFlip 2 with this chip 😬 But otherwise, this looks light and small enough to appeal to me...

[idle lake]

Which config did you get

[swift harness]

an retroid flip with a snapdragon would be ballers

[idle lake]

Biggest thing keeping me from ordering it. I think 1080p at this size is enough but I’d hate for it to be not a great screen

[barren wagon]

looks sexy, but I dislike the switch sticks and it's not oled so I guess I'm gonna pass

[covert gust]

My Y700 2023 has a 1440p screen and thats 8 inches. It still hard to see a difference when sat next to a 1080p screen. Sadly we dont know the supplier for the panels. So may be best to wait for reviews 😅

[idle lake]

1600p actually

But yeah I agree

[covert gust]

Ah yes. But still 😅

[idle lake]

I mean Aya has a great track record with screens at least

I don’t think they’ve had bad ones

[swift harness]

that small ass flip ds screen

[barren wagon]

for text I can tell a difference between a 1080 and 1440 screen on a 6.5 inch phone, but for gaming textures, not so much

[swift harness]

yeah text is precise as fuck so you'd see a difference

[covert gust]

But does that really matter during gameplay unless stationary?

[swift harness]

diminishing returns ™️

[idle lake]

For me ~300 ppi stop seeing a difference in most cases

[swift harness]

is it really worth the battery hit

higher ppi screen though means retroarch shaders have more room to play like grid shaders and shit