Powkiddy RGB30

[forest kite]

and then the sticks a bit oversensitive for n64 games that don't run amazing on this chip anyway

[blazing dove]

sue me, i prefer the easy diagonals on dpads

[maiden slate]

Yeah but you know me. If I can't play every game from a system, I won't play any game from that system 😛

[blazing dove]

i just get a bunch of roms and start testing, discarding some and keeping others

then i turn off the console and open steam

[forest kite]

the max 3 I think is an interesting dpad and I think it's the same as this (I'll see when my rgb30 gets here) - it definitely fails the contra test in that you 'can' pivot left and right while holding down, but the thing is quite tactile and you can definitely feel it hit that diagonal so I haven't actually found I DO hit accidental diags on it

[maiden slate]

So it doesn't have touchscreen input

[blazing dove]

yeah, i feel the same with the rg35xx

[maiden slate]

Yeah same

[blazing dove]

it does rock if you rock it, but you do feel them "activate"

[forest kite]

yeah, and I would say the max 3 you feel it 'activate' more than I do on the 353VS (where I do find it frustrates me sometimes)

[maiden slate]

Yeppers. I'm never hitting diagonals I don't want on the 35xx

[blazing dove]

well, that's two different things

but yeah, probably works fine for many games like that

[lavish lagoon]

Just get my RGB30
is it normal for jelos require quite a bit of time to start up?

[timber granite]

They STILL have that issue?

[lavish lagoon]

or should I fresh with the one from github?

[timber granite]

Reflash it fresh

[forest kite]

They’ve explained it to powkiddy to flash instead of clone but something is just not translating lol

[prisma nest]

It's so tragic it can't really do dreamcast that well for all those shmups and that the screen isn't touch for ds u.u

[forest kite]

It would be $150 if they’d done it that way (as an android handheld with a t618 and touch)

I’m hopeful we get an actual portrait orientation android handheld for that kinda stuff

[prisma nest]

yeeh but as it is I think I'd rather get the rp2s and just flip it for shmups

[white marsh]

I felt like there was a recent video of someone showing a Dreamcast shump and it was going fine

[blazing dove]

i've played tokyo xtreme racer 2 on my rg503 and it was really good

so yeah, some will definitely play

[white marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/live/WmtjBmdjeBU?si=JvrQvn_PEsimA3Bc

He plays some there. I bet with frame skip of 1 it would be fine

Oh man, it's getting closer! On the right side of the ocean.

[blazing dove]

mine's still moving around china

[rugged wadi]

most 2d dreamcast ive tried on 3566 works fine tbh? any specific games you care about

[prisma nest]

honestly not sure I'm just getting into shmups but after like 95 they're mostly for naomi from what I've seen (which I think runs on dreamcast emulators?)

I guess Ikaruga is one I'm interested, but it'd give me ocd seeing it run at like 55 fps instead of 60 lmao

[rugged wadi]

yeah naomi is like a beefed up dreamcast

[prisma nest]

it's so close

[mortal palm]

Ikaruga was dipping into the 40s in stage 1, that's awful.

[prisma nest]

yeh you don't want dips in those

[mortal palm]

Not hating, but I'm not going to try to force naomi shmups on a chip that clearly sucks at it. Have plenty of other less demanding shmups to play on this.

Also, yeah, as Rage says, you can't really tolerate ANY dips in a shmup. At least I can't.

Well, I guess you didn't actually say that... but perhaps you implied it. 👏

[prisma nest]

yeh more or less lol

hopefully they release a more powerful one with that screen at some point

[mortal palm]

I'm sure they will one day, and it'll kick ass.

[rugged wadi]

i mean other naomi games may well be fine. ikaruga has a lot of 3d elements, other games that dont probably run better

[prisma nest]

I'll give it some time for people to test it I guess

also design to solve all handhelds would still be the iron man lg wing thing lol

[rugged wadi]

but i havent really tested naomi stuff on this hardware other than monkey ball (which is playable but is a little unstable) and 2d fighters which tend to play well

[forest kite]

this is the screen that should've been in the 405v

would've let them make it a bit less of a wide boy

[blazing dove]

i like the wide boy though, comfy sticks

[forest kite]

fine, maybe they need to find a 4.5" 1:1 screen lol

[prisma nest]

and make it a clamshell

[lilac nacelle]

why is this upcoming? isn't it already released?

[forest kite]

anti-powkiddy bias

[blazing dove]

it's still coming to our mailboxes

[prisma nest]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-bernard-the-office-nailed-gif-23399692

rgb30 at home

[forest kite]

lmao

[lavish lagoon]

I find that if you play DS game with 3.5mm
Some of the sound is cut or in very low volume
But there is no problem while using front fire speaker

[blazing dove]

would make for some intimate split screen gaming

[late pecan]

i think i will order a rgb30 later this evening

[blazing dove]

go for it, looks like the device of the year if no big issues come around with time

[late pecan]

as a side device to the x55 and for when my sister is over to play together with her

also messed around with the 8:7 settings rgc proposed for it on my x55 yesterday and it looks a lot better than 4:3 to me

so this will be great on there as well

[maiden slate]

wide boys are more comfy

https://tenor.com/view/wide-bwipo-gif-18841680

[brisk marsh]

Bwipo, of course 🤣

[maiden slate]

The widest boy

That video is one of the greatest pieces of content on the internet

[pallid scarab]

My RGB30 video is dropping in about 2 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U25ioCRHQ9k

[blazing dove]

not like i need more convincing

[pallid scarab]

this one will knock your socks off...

if I may say so myself

I'll be out - so you can @ me with any questions after it goes live

[astral girder]

Real excite for full screen pico 8

the forbidden res

[white marsh]

I kinda feel like this is likely the best retro handheld for PSX and below... It makes me want to whittle my collection down to it, and maybe a t618 or 3588 chip device for everything above

[forest kite]

Yeah I don’t particularly care about anything above psp so this and the max 3 kinda covers every retro system I care about

Those two and an x86 handheld (steam deck in my case) is really all I need

I’ll probably keep my q36 since it’s tiny

[vapid beacon]

I haven't seen the video yet so maybe I'll be surprised, but SEGA Rally 2 is DC 👍

[rugged wadi]

Probably not Sega rally 2 that one is a pain in the ass to run. It's one of the windows CE ones iirc

[white marsh]

I wonder how much running PAL roms would help, maybe with frame skip

[balmy dome]

I tried the whole PAL rom thing.. just made me feel bad for people who grew up with PAL.

Cause even if the game plays perfectly, for a lot of games 25 FPS just looks weird if I am used to 30/60

Not sure if modern display being 60hz is part of this

[forest kite]

It definitely is

Pal roms look fine on a 50hz screen

[balmy dome]

Which they dont make anymore

so i dunno, it always juist comes out look weird, no matter the device.

[forest kite]

Steam deck can do it 😉

Adjustable refresh anywhere between 40 and 60 hz

[upbeat owl]

Pal roms 🤮 😒 🤮

[white marsh]

Hey, does the right thumb stick work for DS touch input like it does on other JelOS devices? I assume so, but nobody has mentioned it so far.

[maiden slate]

Yeah. It's one of the reasons why consoles weren't really a thing in Europe until recently.

People would just buy PCs and run the games at way higher framerates.

So yeah even though I'm European I REFUSE to use PAL roms lmao

[late pecan]

ordered a rgb30 let's hope it won't take a month like the x55 did

[olive musk]

@forest kite so is this device Screen close enough to what you were asking for previously?

something about 720 by 480 or something device

[forest kite]

If basically is from a gba picture quality perspective

I’m just thinking a 3” 720x480 (basically a high res gba replacement screen) in a candybar would be like OG MM sized (actually very very close for 4:3 content but wide enough for gba) but horizontal

Which would be insanely pocketable

[olive musk]

so.....this is not the one then

[forest kite]

I did order an RGB30, just saying I'd buy a tiny 720x480 3" candybar too

[olive musk]

this does give you the 720x480

you just have massive bars on top and bottom

[forest kite]

yeah, I will play GBA on this

I just like small devices too

something in between this and the q36 size wise while still integer scaling gba would be great

though this will be my third device that perfectly integer scales gba already (q36, rgb30, max 3)

at 1.3", 3.4", and 4.4" respectively for actual display area

the 720x480 2.9" gba replacement screen would be only half an inch smaller than the rgb30 for GBA while being as pocketable as an OG MM

[pallid scarab]

thank you - corrected! 🙏

[white marsh]

i'll definitely play GBA on this as well

[forest kite]

yeah, it'll be better than on my MM+ both from a resolution scaling and an SoC perspective

right now my main gba machine is actually the max 3

where gba is integer scaled and gorgeous

but the device is obviously on the larger side

[white marsh]

@forest kite have we heard anything about using the analogue stick for touch input yet?

[forest kite]

I haven't heard anything specific but that's just a feature in drastic so there is no way it wouldn't work

[white marsh]

I figured, just wanted absolute confirmation, haha

I think it's funny people calling the RGB30 niche, I'm thinking is the most versatile device in it's category, quite the opposite of niche.

[blazing dove]

agreed

[astral girder]

It's niche in that it's not a typical 4:3 or 16:9

[blazing dove]

it only looks niche cause it's weird seeing a square screen

but it can do a lot definitely

[astral girder]

And the appeal is in versatility but you'll likely have black spaces in many areas

[blazing dove]

it's not even any worse at 16:9 than the average 4:3 screen

[white marsh]

it's actually better since it's 720x540 and a tiny bit wider, for 4:3 content

[forest kite]

yeah I mean for everything other than integer scaling 320 horizontal res systems (neogeo, genesis, ps1) this screen is strictly better than a 640x480 3.5"

but yeah for non-integer scaling it's a tiny bit bigger and a decent bit higher res for literally everything

[astral girder]

you could integer scale and just have some bits cut off yeah

probably wouldn't be the worst thing ever

[forest kite]

that works ok for the 256 horizontal res systems (snes, turbografx, nes) but on the 320 horizontal res you'd be cropping 1/8th of your screen off

I think PS1 benefits from some softening anyway with a crt filter or whatever but if you want crunchy pixels on genesis or neogeo (not pocket but the arcade or home console) over stretch to 4:3 that is the one situation where a 3.5" 640x480 is better

[blazing dove]

i'm not a giga pixel snob so i can deal with some shaders

especially on ps1 which mostly has kinda ugly games

[lavish lagoon]

Is there a way to unmap a control in the RGB30 drastic
I want to use L2 as fast forward
but I don't know the way to unmap the change orientation A control

[forest kite]

you might have to edit an a config file manually

[spare hatch]

If this is running JelOS does it mean that sleep mode + quick resume from sleep will work from day one? Does it also report accurate/close to accurate battery percentage?

[forest kite]

sleep is probably gonna be light sleep by default until the 3566 goes full mainline (which is happening at some point in the near-ish future) but you can try deep sleep and see if your individual unit plays nicely with the BSP kernel for that

arkOS has a 'quick mode' that works more like minUI/funkeyOS for auto save + shutdown then load at next boot but that only works for RA cores not standalone emulators/ports

rk3566 devices in general don't have amazingly accurate battery percentage readouts

not like unusable but very 'approximate'

[pallid scarab]

it works as well as it does on other rk3566 devices in my experience, it’s a bit unreliable coming back from sleep sometimes, I have to press the button twice

[forest kite]

yeah I'll probably use arkOS for quick mode at least until jelos goes mainline on the 3566

[tough bolt]

Hello, is JELOS runs N64 on retroarch cores or on a standalone emulator?

[lean fjord]

it uses mupen

[tough bolt]

I mean Mupen core in retroarch, or mupen standalone?

My main problem is that usually these built-in standalone emulators like mupen64plus don't have any configuration option or only with some config file editing, and I always have problems with the N64 control layout. So if JELOS works that way then RGB30 is also not the handheld I need...

[lean fjord]

it has both:

retroarch: mupen64plus_next (default)
retroarch: mupen64plus
retroarch: parallel_n64
mupen64plus: mupen64plus-sa

https://github.com/JustEnoughLinuxOS/distribution/blob/main/documentation/PER_DEVICE_DOCUMENTATION/RK3566/SUPPORTED_EMULATORS_AND_CORES.md

[forest kite]

I think trying to run RA cores for n64 on a 3566 might be a bad time for anything but the lightest weight games though

[astral girder]

N64 is indeed a bit more demanding than PS1

annoyingly so

[forest kite]

I’m curious if it’s that n64 is tricky to emulate compared to the abilities of the actual console, ps1 is stupid easy to emulate compared to the console, or both. I think it’s both since ps1 can be emulated on a miyoo mini while n64 is almost as hard to emulate or even moreso in some games compared to dreamcast.

Once the 3566 goes mainline it’ll have access to real OpenGL drivers rather than GLES (GL for embedded systems) - this won’t give a big performance boost to anything that won’t run full speed on RICE right now, but it should help with rendering accuracy on those more performance orientated renderers so games that run well on RICE but look bad might look less bad after the change.

[gentle depot]

Unsure if anyone's seen or mentioned it but

https://twitter.com/Screamliner/status/1701482890679259609?t=bQx8NGELUS1kgxgusRYOuA&s=19

Catshiitone (@Screamliner)

arkos

Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 6:28 AM

[forest kite]

Yeah arkOS support is cool, gives a more user friendly/less bleeding edge option

Don’t get me wrong I love jelos too but options are great

I’ll probably use ark on this at least until jelos moves their 3566 build to mainline, mostly for quick mode

(Once jelos moves to mainline deep sleep should work really well)

[late pecan]

maybe i'll make a separate arkos card, but i'll probably stick to jelos for MP with my x55

[forest kite]

Yeah there are definitely loads of valid reasons to pick either over the other

[late pecan]

but as you said, it's always good to have options ❤️

[white marsh]

N64 is a pain to emulate.

[upbeat owl]

I don't need this 😣

[tough bolt]

I don't need perfect N64 emulation, as far as I know, this chipset can run those 4-5 games with decent speed which I want to play but remap the controls is a pain in the ass.

[upbeat owl]

I would just use this for vertical arcade games and pico 8

[frank kraken]

Ah, is that why some shaders don't play along with Linux?

[forest kite]

Maybe?

[forest kite]

NES, snes, GBC, gba, all better than on my MM+ as well

[karmic forge]

I kinda regret switching my order to blue, the black looks so much better

Stupid powkiddy, they told me it's outta stock and then it's "restocked" a few days later

[forest kite]

I mean that's how stock works

it's out of stock until they make more

[karmic forge]

It's not really out of stock if it comes in stock again like 2 days later

[frank kraken]

Blue is growing on me, but it might be buyer's remorse speaking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaItQm1vrXk

[karmic forge]

I'm hoping it grows on me, not too keen on the photos so far

[brisk marsh]

QQ: If I change settings in RA main menu, like video/scaling how do I save it in RA for the core? I tried to save configuration file in the main menu, didn't help. In quick menu/core iverides there are only game or folder options... ??? I checked the "per system game configuration" in jelos, but if I select custom ratio it doesn't show options to set X and Y (to move gba image to the top, whic btw looks super weird 😂) Credit to @forest kite to discover we can do this with square display!

[forest kite]

folder is per system

since you have one folder per system

[brisk marsh]

Ah, true 😀 thx

Btw (in reality it gba doesn't overlap, it has the same dimension if it was more square)

I am very happy with how nes, snes, gb, gbc and gba look on rgb30. Be that I am normal, I could just sell all my other non-oems as I don't think I will like other screens now 😂 Except for Trimui Smart, that one is great (for the size).

[forest kite]

I am really tempted to sell off most of my collection too if I like this

q36, rgb30, max 3, steam deck is a good selection of sizes

shouldn't need my miyoos or my 353VS anymore

[brisk marsh]

q36 is quite playable to my surprise, but for micro I still prefer trimui S, less hand cramps 🙂

[forest kite]

I just realized that all four of those hand helds I just called out here integer scale GBA lol

[brisk marsh]

seems like we know what's your favorite system 😀

[forest kite]

the silly thing is that it is not really

pure coincidence

I never had a GBA as a kid though I am exploring the library a bit now

my main retro systems are NES/SNES/PS1/GBC

with a bit of PSP and N64 sprinkled in

[brisk marsh]

damn but yeah, lot of selling to do 😂 On one hand it feels great to have all the options and play on various devices, on the other hand, the simplicity and minimalism of having just one or two for everything is also calling me out 😀

[brisk marsh]

nice, good stuff! My childhood is just ZX Spectrum and NES clone, picked gameboys at university, and till today javen't play but handful of gba games, always waiting for the ideal handheld. So.. Now? 😂 Suuuure...

[brisk marsh]

I think it might be that 16-32bit gba games start to be very appealing and not that simplistic as nes or gb, yet easy to emulate and have in the pocket, made for small screens. If you think about it before that it's more simplistic games due to hw limitations, and after that it's more complex and not that easy systems to emulate...

[forest kite]

yeah it's definitely a bit of a golden era

basically 'this is a snes but designed for a 3" screen'

[brisk marsh]

btw saving core options for folder doesn't save custom aspect settings from main menu 🫤 Any other ideas?

[forest kite]

are you saving an options file or an override?

I think you want an override

[brisk marsh]

there is a difference? Thats why I don't like RA, I never know what to save where...

[forest kite]

there is a difference

especially with JELOS - they set the config from ES

[brisk marsh]

Ok so overrides work, good, thx again 🙂

[white marsh]

No, you don't understand, the extra height makes it unpocketable garbage! /s

[brisk marsh]

wdym? It has the same height as gameboy advance, only not as "rounded"

[white marsh]

was being sarcastic

[brisk marsh]

aaaaaand... now I understand what that /s means 😂

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/avett-tickets-gif-27558927

me checking my shipping

[forest kite]

I have a suspicion I picked the wrong colour to get it fast

but we will see

I ordered on friday and they did not ship monday or tuesday

they're just waking up on their wednesday now

[desert jewel]

What color did you pick? I went with white

[forest kite]

I did black

[desert jewel]

Why will black get here faster?

[forest kite]

no I'm concerned that if their direct sales went like their aliexpress ones the blue was the less popular colour and I'd get mine faster if I'd gone blue

[desert jewel]

Oh gotcha. Yeah that makes sense

[astral girder]

I think blue looked best to me so I went with that

I loathe black handhelds cuz I can't find them lmao

[gilded fog]

I did white and it's just arrived

Pretty fast considering I'm downunder

So I notice the ArkOS githhub has some RGB30 commits, are they actually ready to go?

[desert jewel]

When did you order?

[gilded fog]

I think on the 3rd?

[desert jewel]

Nice

[flat vapor]

I ordered when it was first available. It just delivered today.

[gentle depot]

I ordered day 1
Still waiting

[flat vapor]

Conveniently I’m out of town until Friday.

[white marsh]

Haha so I may get mine before you then.

[lavish lagoon]

Every time I turn on the RGB30
I need to press start to go to menu to refresh game list to see all the game
is it normal to jelos?

[lean fjord]

Will be fixed in next release

ES is loading before a disk check is completed. Refreshing it fixes it.

[forest kite]

yup!

[gilded fog]

Is it just the same file as everything else that I flash?

[forest kite]

oh wait, why do I not see the release now

might not actually be quite published yet, only in dev

or maybe it does work

does arkOS not use different images for different devices?

ah you have to grab the image from the wiki

https://github.com/christianhaitian/arkos/wiki#download-links

and there's a dedicated rgb30 image

senior moment

I even use arkOS on one of my handhelds and completely forgot how it was installed/downloaded compared to jelos

[pure vigil]

I think the PS1 is about what how hard a console of that generation should be to emulate, it's just a bit hard to judge because the other two consoles have silly architecture.
Also it might be about as hard to emulate as the SNES, but that console is also a good bit harder to emulate than it's counterparts

[gilded fog]

Ah thank you so much, I looked around and could not figure it out. Kinda wish they just had the images on the github

[keen zephyr]

PS1 came out in 1994 and was right on the edge of early 3D hardware - it' s kinda impressive what people were squeezing out of it in the late 90s, though lots of PS1 games have aged incredibly poorly, especially the 3D stuff which aged poorly three months after it came out. N64/Saturn came out afterwards, which was decades in early 3D hardware, hence why Mario 64 still looks pretty good and the Saturn 3D stuff aged pretty ok, but most 3D PS1 games looked like turds in 1996, and still look like turds in 2023. That probably contributes to the ease of emulation. Mid-90s 3D hardware was a lot better than the PS1 but you also had situations like the old 3dFx cards, competing standards and solutions, etc

I'm of the generation that's sort of nostalgic for inaccurate SNES emulation, because we all asked Jeeves for 'free dragon ball z games', and ZSNES/NO$GB ran on a toaster and had pretty good compatibility, so there's a whole generation of kids born in the 90s who played SNES/GBC as kids, whereas they probably didn't play N64/PS1/Saturn because those systems were out of print by then, superseded (PS2, etc) and they also all had a fairly short shelf life. I remember being a kid and having an actual GBA and still using VBA for stuff that either didn't come out in my country, or to try stuff before spending $90 on a game. Hence why there's a large contingent of 20-somethings who don't care about N64/Saturn/PS1 emulation

[astral girder]

(Referring to PS1 capability) - I don't believe this is an accurate look at the console. The N64 has games that are incredibly high quality in style and look but this is because the majority of the N64 library is known by its 1st and 2nd party titles. Nintendo made damn sure to make their games look good, especially since it had about a fifth of the library of the PS1 and was being dwarfed in sales by a long long shot. But what fully 3D games came out on the PS1 in 1996? Tekken 2, Tomb Raider, Parappa the Rappa, Resident Evil (okay RE isn't fully 3D) - these games having incredibly comparable and strong looking 3D outputs when put up against the N64. The N64 had less inherent jagginess and wobbles but it had its own 3D quirks (mostly in texture and data storage, couldn't have as many games integrate FMV like the PS1 did)

The Saturn is the one that got the rawest end of the deal in 3D, really. It was literally made for 2D with 3D capabilities and many multiplatform ports notoriously ran worse on Saturn when it came to that. I'm not sure how you see Saturn specifically aging well compared to the PS1 when its output of games look very similar to the PS1's style of blocky dithered graphics.

That is not to say any of this has any actual bearing on emulation, "aging well" and graphical output does not determine how emulation will run.

[gilded fog]

I think Saturn aged well just because a lot the library is in 2D because Japan didn't care so much. NA Sony basically didn't allow 2D games so most of what we have is the chunky blocky 3d stuff

[astral girder]

The 2D games aren't relevant to the convo

Cuz we were just talking about 3D capability

[desert jewel]

https://www.litnxt.com/products/powkiddy-rgb30-4-inch-handheld-game-console?variant=41163818926173

$80 shipped! Can’t beat that

[gentle depot]

They're really out here selling it for less than Powkiddy

[pallid scarab]

sorry for late reply, it works and also can be remapped, R3 as screen tap sucks

[white marsh]

Okay cool! I'm fairly used to it, good enough for getting through menus, but not going to play Cooking Mama with it, haha

[reef wind]

hey so i got this on monday, installed the OTA update to the 9/9 release of jelos yesterday & been having audio issues since then. most games start up with no sound & i have to go into the retroarch menu, disable audio and re-enable it to get it to work at all. and then its stuck on some high volume & the volume controls don't work. anyone else experienced this/know any solution?

[forest kite]

I would do a clean jelos build

Since there was a full audio rework in the last bit

[reef wind]

fair enough. i'll do one later. just wanted to check if there was some known solution before i resorted to that lol

[pallid scarab]

yikes, I haven't updated mine yet

[reef wind]

also this should really be out of rumour mill by now lol

it's definitely not a rumour. i can touch it

[pallid scarab]

DoDonPachi, ESP Ra De, Dangun Feveron and Guwanage on the rgb30 - so good

[lavish lagoon]

do you freshed the jelos
I remeber I got some audio issue with the stock one
like pressing the volume down once will go to volume 0
the audio is large when first enter game

[astral girder]

here's a fun one, anyone got any non shmup TATE mode games to shout out

[forest kite]

pacman

donkey kong

👴

[astral girder]

I forgot about those

[pallid scarab]

qix

[rugged wadi]

we played a tate beat-em-up for gotw a while ago i forget what it was called

[astral girder]

that was the fantasy one right?

I was personally thinking about Mercs but I guess you could also call it a shmup

walks shooters just hit different

[rugged wadi]

yeah gaiapolis i looked back through the list

[astral girder]

I've played Gaiapolis, good game

[vapid beacon]

I was gonna say Nitroball but that's basically a run n gun too, which is basically a shmup

[gentle depot]

I think it's here

[desert jewel]

Jelos! (See what I did there…)

[gentle depot]

It's gonna be ArkOS

[desert jewel]

Stock?

[forest kite]

Stock is jelos

[desert jewel]

I’m probably gonna keep mine with Jelps at least at the beginning. I wanna mess with the multiplayer function since I got two RGB30s

What’s the appeal of ArkOs?

[forest kite]

The main difference in philosophy is that jelos is very much a “move fast and break things” development style

Frequent updates means rapid progress but often with some “quirks” along the way

I would say jelos is very much a tinkerer’s OS and is doing great work including stuff that helps other cfw down the line too like their mainline kernel work but for a Linux noob arkOS Is friendlier (and I love arkOS quick mode so I’ll probably be using ark on my RGB30)

[desert jewel]

Nice! I might load one with jelos and one with ark to compare

[young kayak]

What is the advantage of this one over the x55? Seems like the screen is about the same size vertically and has the same vertical resolution

[forest kite]

Pocketability, dpad top

If you don’t care about portability or control layout then yeah the x55 is just this screen but wider and the same SoC

[pliant adder]

Look who just arrived

Screen is so nice!

Tiny bit of blooming at bottom of screen hard to pick up on cam though

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[pliant adder]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-noice-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-nice-gif-14234819

Aside from blooming, everything else is noice!

[white marsh]

lemme go refresh the shipping tracking for mine

Still in CA waiting for handoff to USPS 😦

[pliant adder]

Its actually way more comfortable than it looks. Imagine a 3d printed grip would be nice. But its comfortable as is really

[desert jewel]

I kinda want to order a blue one too and have all three colors. Is that weird?

[pliant adder]

No, i have all colours of the miyoo. Im worst person to ask

[desert jewel]

Any three player games I can justify owning three units? Me and my two kids would have a blast with these

[pliant adder]

This has wifi, so maybe mario kart via gba link?

[forest kite]

Gauntlet?

[desert jewel]

Well jelos will automatically connect devices

[pliant adder]

Streets of rage?

Or simpsons arcade game, if you want a bit more child friendly version

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-swag-lit-cool-glasses-gif-17107779

The screen is so sharp, all games look so crisp. So far

[desert jewel]

Nice! So did you load Ark?

[pliant adder]

Not yet, only just got, comes with JelOS. Imagine my weekend plans will be tinkering with this bad boy

[gentle depot]

I was lied to
It wasn't an RGB30

[desert jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[pliant adder]

Heres the best pic i could get of the blooming on the screen, its not so bad when something is on screen, but when screen is all black. Doesn’t look nice

[forest kite]

Is that set to a brightness you’d ever want to actually play indoors on though? Hard to judge how much is it being worse than other screens and how much is it seemingly going blindingly bright

[pliant adder]

Thats set to out of box brightness.

Just checked settings thats 50%

Hopefully its just my unit that has this backlight blooming issue. Hopefully others will be better

You can see from pic though, its all the bottom and two top corners

[forest kite]

Yeah it just also looks hella bright in general

Real chance I leave it on near minimum lol

[molten spear]

Gain Ground

Tetris

Legend of Valkyrie

[polar flax]

News from pk: This device is almsot as popular as the rgb20s

[forest kite]

does that mean the one I ordered on friday is gonna take a while to ship?

I'm in no rush

I hoped ordering before the RGC review dropped would get me one faster

[gentle depot]

It's the Pico-8 lovers duh

[forest kite]

probably people who want to use it as a budget analogue pocket

[polar flax]

In china, arcade games are way more popular

Like, arcade roms

[forest kite]

and yet no 6 button handhelds 😠

a 6 button handheld with 1 stick capable of playing dreamcast/saturn/n64/arcade/genesis is a niche my collection does not fill atm

[molten spear]

I think the strength of tate games will sell a lot of these consoles

[gilded fog]

That's me!

[forest kite]

I'm probably gonna mostly use this for nes/snes but I am interested in dabbling in tate shooters

[molten spear]

Definitely try Armed Police Batrider on there

[white marsh]

I'm coming around to this for all the 1:1 (or near) systems (including NES and SNES), Tate, Pico8, and a bit of DS, then breaking down for a t618 for all the 3:4 stuff.

Just debating between a 4:3 and 16:9 t618 device.

[forest kite]

if the 406 rumour is true (960x720 4" and a d1200) that seems like a no brainer for an android handheld

much better vertical res for tate stuff

[white marsh]

Yeah all comes down to price too

[forest kite]

yeah I'm tempted to get an rp2s as my first android handheld since it's cheap

tempted to get a 405v because its funny though

don doko don for the PC engine should eb fun on this too

https://youtu.be/56fFRyaI8zY?si=2Q7nWwI7SLQxygfW

[pallid scarab]

Tom Hall cofounder of ID software bought an RGB30 (for pico8 I assume) https://twitter.com/thattomhall/status/1701423995432939685?s=46

• 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚘𝚖 𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 • (@ThatTomHall)

@paulhamx Can't wait for mine now!

Twitter · Sep 12, 2023, 2:34 AM

[forest kite]

wants to play poom maybe

Even today when I had my max 3 on me all day when I sat down to play a game as a break I gravitated towards NES and gameboy despite a widescreen capable of good fifth gen in my hands

[late pecan]

poom is clunky but fun

[maiden slate]

A 3.5" would be perfect for me

[astral girder]

I'll never forgive this smalltime industry for this

[idle sonnet]

First impressions, this is light.

Also the speakers are nice and clear, compared to the 405 series.

Screen gets nice and bright, clear

[astral girder]

god that other thing is so oddly wide

I have never seen a wider vertical

[late pecan]

i like the look of it, hope to get mine soon

[idle sonnet]

Dpad and buttons are good

[pure vigil]

How do you like the ergonomics?

[idle sonnet]

Pretty decent but will need to play longer to see how comfy it is

[pliant adder]

How is the backlight on yours? Mine has blooming when screen all black. Considering asking for replacement.

[idle sonnet]

I paid for the whole screen, so I'm going to use the whole screen (integer overscale)

[astral girder]

Lol that's VERY CUT OFF lmao

you thought Sonic gave you little reaction time before -

[idle sonnet]

Not noticeable during gameplay, 100% brightnes

[pliant adder]

Yeah looks same as mine

I only really notice on games with black screens or black backgrounds so far.

[late pecan]

wonder how much heresy it would be to just go with 1:1 aspect ratio for systems like gb and gbc to fill out the whole scteen, maybe NES too

[astral girder]

handheld was built for gb and gbc

[idle sonnet]

Honestly, this is a good handheld

[tough bolt]

It would be great if someone could do a test of Nintendo 64's most popular games (Mario 64, Paper Mario, the two Zelda games,Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Shadow of the Empire, Star Fox 64 etc.), to see how well they run through Retroarch. I know it's the same as on other RK3566 devices. But in all tests, the reviewers only mention that they run relatively well and about 75% of the catalog is playable. I know that the standalone mupen64plus emulator runs games better than Retroarch but the function is so lacking that remapping the buttons is a pain in the ass because you need to edit config files...

This is the only thing that makes me unsure if the RGB30 will be right for me. I came up with a perfectly good button assignment that worked on the RG351P under ArkOS, but I can't use the same setting on AmberELEC. Let's not even talk about the performance...

I know that the simplest solution to my problem would be to buy an Android device, but life is so much easier with Linux

[onyx quiver]

Mine is also black and has it too. Enormous blooming. But… not noticeable when playing games

[onyx quiver]

It is amazing value for $85 shipped

[pliant adder]

Ah thats a shame. Sounds like its on a few devices now 😕 hopefully it won’t annoy people too much

3 posted on here so far, all 3 have blooming

[lavish lagoon]

This is mine, max brightness

[gentle depot]

[white marsh]

Mines out for delivery 🥳

[late pecan]

fingers crossed it will work out like that

maybe i should've ordered at powkiddy directly

[pallid scarab]

just a reflection, I hope...?

[forest kite]

Mine shipped!

[lavish lagoon]

double checked ,just reflection

[white marsh]

gotta set up my cards while I wait

[coarse maple]

Mine just passed through customs in the US. So close.

[reef wind]

Yeah mine has it too, worse on the left, but not noticeable when it's not black

It is visible in 4:3 games with borders so I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me at all but oh well lol

[forest kite]

Yeah I’ll have to get some bezel overlays going

[idle sonnet]

Been playing SMW on mines during zoom calls, it's a nice experience

Love integer overscale

Backlight bloom not noticeable when playing in a lit room imo

[white marsh]

Made my fresh JelOS card, got my roms ready... now just waiting for the mail

[foggy stratus]

How’s the form factor compared to the RPP? Can you take a picture side by side?

[idle sonnet]

Screen feels much bigger on the rgb30 of course. I prefer the buttons on the MM and RGB30, easier to press.

Form factor wise in terms of long term play, rgb30 wins

All are good devices, just the buttons on the rpp are a bit stiffer

RGB30 has the brightest and vibrant screen

[white marsh]

Got my game card ready with GB, GBC, GBA, GG, MAME (mostly vertical shumps), NES, NGPC, SNES, PC Engine, and WonderSwan Color... what am I missing? Going to do Pico-8 through the native app.

[forest kite]

FBNEO?

FBNEO like genesis debateably scales better on a 640x480

[junior violet]

fbneo has the latest cave shooters

I wonder how they run though - for accruacy you're supposed to set the CPU to 50% anyway. Because the PCB had slowdown

[forest kite]

but yeah I'm just thinking about neogeo MVS stuff

[white marsh]

it would be fun to find a huge romlist of vertical MAME games

[junior violet]

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=69744

some of these run better in fbneo

[maiden slate]

I'm reporting you to the authorities mate

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-waiting-mail-gif-9967258246983803629

dude has 10 minutes

[white marsh]

This is my punishment for being impatient...

[idle sonnet]

womp womp

[white marsh]

it said by 5:20 earlier this morning, then updated to by 1:45... someone at the post office is messing with me

I've got my jelos card and game card all ready to go, got pico-8 paid for and put on the card as well

[proud idol]

I thought my card was loaded and ready to go but no games show up. I wish it was as simple as loading roms to a sd but apparently not

[rugged wadi]

what format is the sd card? it probably needs to be exfat i think, i dont htink jelos supports fat32

[proud idol]

It says it does on the github but it reads the card on retroarch just not on the system side

[white marsh]

fat32 should work fine for Jelos

it does in my 353 anyhow

[rugged wadi]

oh maybe im wrong then. i think it cant be ntfs for sure tho?

[proud idol]

I got nes to show up and my folders actually show up in Linux for once so that makes everything easier

[gentle depot]

Okay this time I'm sure of it

[white marsh]

I just got mine too!

A little bit smaller than a closed 3DS XL

[gentle depot]

Hell yeah
I got mine in white!

[white marsh]

Just popped in my fresh jelos card and game card, booting now. Already put on my gastly stick covers, no spot for a lanyard though

gotta run the ._ remove tool too, lol

this is a thing of beauty

[karmic forge]

Ah I'm so regretful not to get the black one. That looks great!

[white marsh]

hmmm

pico-8 isn't booting

i'm guessing I did something wrong there

okay, easy fix, when you drop in the raspberry pi files, drop in the files themselves, not the folder, into the pico-8 folder

next thing to figure out... is there a key shortcut to quit pico-8

[upbeat owl]

select and start is not quitting the program?

[white marsh]

no

[forest kite]

I think jelos uses start + select + l1 + r1 to quit stand-alones

[white marsh]

i'll try that

[forest kite]

They don’t use the same as RA since there’s no double press for standalone so you might hit it accidentally

[white marsh]

not those

[white marsh]

that did it

i was doing L3 R3, lol

[blazing dove]

ouch

[forest kite]

You might not actually need the r1 in there

Looking at the wiki now

[blazing dove]

that's a lotta buttons

can it be changed to select+start in retroarch at least?

[forest kite]

In retroarch it already is

[white marsh]

i'm running Pico-8 stand alone, not retroarch

[forest kite]

It’s the force close used for stand-alone that is l1, start, and select

[white marsh]

awesome, thanks!

[forest kite]

But on some devices it’s r1 instead due to how their key maps work

[white marsh]

which is amazing btw, being able to search and download games on the fly is hot

[forest kite]

So you don’t need both

But some devices jelos supports uses l1 and others r1

[blazing dove]

oh sorry, my bad, should have read more, i thought you were talking retroarch

[forest kite]

Retroarch by default is start+select and requires a second press to confirm

But you can change that to whatever you want

With or without the confirm

[white marsh]

so this is smaller than my 3ds, smaller than the 353p, huge ass screen... this has pretty much instantly become my favorite thing, haha

[forest kite]

https://tenor.com/view/2week-countdown-14days-more-waiting-gif-13525316

[white marsh]

i do prefer the feel of the 353p's shoulder and start/select clicks, but I can get over that

[forest kite]

Mine just got shipped

The 353p/ps looks like the ergo king in this size bracket

[blazing dove]

but also the body to screen ratio peasant

[half notch]

rk2023 is the real ergo king tho...

[white marsh]

yeah, just need to set up all the resolutions now for the devices

scraping now so I'll mess with all that in a bit

[forest kite]

Just turn on integer overscale for every device, what’s the worst that can happen? (Cropping like a quarter of your screen off in sega mega drive)

[white marsh]

lol

[blazing dove]

happy i decided to set up the 405v today with gamma os and all that, the rgb30 should arrive tuesday or so

it's honestly the one i'm the most curious about

[forest kite]

I have so far resisted the 405v

Ordered hall sticks for my max 3 instead

[blazing dove]

feels really good to use after gammaos

anbernic firmware was definitely janky

can't wait for this weirdo screen though

[white marsh]

it feels less weird the more i use it

[blazing dove]

btw, if you get it, definitely get the case, it's extremely good and fits like a glove

[forest kite]

The case, it being really funny, the massive battery, and the ergo are definitely the selling points

It’s main competition being the 2s supposedly having the nicest controls to basically ever grace retro handhelds or the fact I already own a max 3 which plays the same systems and is basically the same screen but wider (5” 854 x 480)

Or the RGB30 I have en route already filling the beeg gameboy niche though it’s more of a beeg NGPC

[blazing dove]

hmmm, honestly i don't love the rp3+ d pad, but the sticks do look really good

[forest kite]

I think I would’ve actually preferred if the 2s were stick top

I’d basically only be buying it for n64 and dc

[onyx quiver]

Ok, my rgb30 doesnt charge

[blazing dove]

oh wait, the 2s has all rubber membrane maybe?

[rugged wadi]

yeah its weird that the 2+ was stick top but 2s wasnt lol it should have been swapped

[forest kite]

Using a dumb usb A charging brick and a usb a to c cable?

It doesn’t support PD

So if you plug it into anything that tries to communicate specs to charge it won’t work

[onyx quiver]

It doesnt charge c to c or c to a

What should i use?

[forest kite]

What’s the brick on the other end for c to a?

[onyx quiver]

What is PD

[forest kite]

You just want a dumb little 5v 2a brick

Nothing that supports fast charging or anything

Like straight up dollar store slow chargers

[onyx quiver]

It stays at 5%

[forest kite]

Power delivery - its part of the 3+ usb spec where devices actually communicate before they start to charge

What does that brick say on it for output?

It looks large enough to be that it might be a fast charger

[blazing dove]

that should definitely charge it unless it's a 30w charger or something

[forest kite]

You want something that just straight up provides 5v no matter what and doesn’t ask questions

Like literally a two dollar airport vending machine block

I usually use the ports on a cheap power bar that included two dumb usb2.0 charging ports

[onyx quiver]

What colour is the tiny light when you charge?

By my it stays red

[forest kite]

There’s a chance you have a defective USB port or something but 9/10 times I see someone who can’t get a handheld to charge it’s that they’re trying to use a charger that is too fancy

Also try plugging it in while it’s off instead of on

The light I believe just communicates battery level not status

[forest kite]

1 amp should charge it while it’s off anyway

But it’ll be slow

Potentially charge slower than it drains while using it

But yeah it only offering 5v is good

[onyx quiver]

This one same result

[forest kite]

You try plugging it in while turned off yet?

Could just be inaccurate reporting/draining it almost as much as charging it

If the led turns on when you plug it in then it should be working

[onyx quiver]

Even with 12w 2.4 A?

Led turns on RED and battery says charging

But it doesnt

[forest kite]

While off?

Just leave it plugged in and off for an hour and it should report it’s gained charge

[onyx quiver]

Ok, will try that now

It is charging, the button is RED

It is not orange or green, the light is RED

[forest kite]

Awesome, it should either turn green or turn off once it’s done charging

[half notch]

Yeah my rk2023 would just seem like it's ignoring the charger sometimes. would leave it on the charger powered off, come back after an hour or two, boot up, and it would turn out fine

[blazing dove]

yeah these things are really wonky when charging

definitely leave it for a few hours since those chargers will be safe and you'll know when you come back to it

[onyx quiver]

Ok, 57 more minutes to go. Will keep u updated

[white marsh]

halfway through scraping

[forest kite]

It probably won’t full charge in an hour but should be enough to tell it’s working

[white marsh]

honestly, scraping on the device is the biggest reason I care about wifi, lol

[forest kite]

I don’t mind using a dongle for setup stuff

My max 3 likes to make some funny noises from wifi dongle interference while updating though so I won’t be doing that overnight on the bedside table lol

Onboard wifi I agree is a must if you are a retroachievements person

Obviously the OG mini having no onboard wifi or dongle support sucks

[upbeat owl]

You might have to open up your device and make sure the battery is fully plug in

[white marsh]

I cared about that for a bit, then I guess RA updated and most of my roms were incompatible, now I don't care because I'm too lazy to download the versions they want

dumb question, because I don't play many arcade games (until now)... is "Arcade" in jelos just FBNeo?

[forest kite]

Press Y on one of the games or go into per system advance settings in the start menu in ES and you should be able to choose a core

And see the options for that folder there

I’m afraid I haven’t set up an arcade folder in jelos myself yet

[upbeat owl]

mame mame2003 and plus

[onyx quiver]

Just turned it on, after 15 minutes and it was at 13% , so it is charging!

[rugged wadi]

fbneo usually performs better for games supported by both but its not always as accurate

[white marsh]

gotcha

[onyx quiver]

Lesson learned: it charges very slowly, and it basically doesnt charge when it is on or in standby mode

[rugged wadi]

and i think mame still supports more games

[upbeat owl]

fbneo will cover cps 1-3, neogeo and fbneo rom set

[onyx quiver]

Ok, my fave to hold systems are ktr1 , rg405m , rg552, win 3, psvita, pokiddy rgb30 ! Gkd mini, rg353m

[white marsh]

hmm, going to have to figure out why some MAME games run fine (Strikers 1945 II), but others quit when they start (Metal Slug 3)

[onyx quiver]

Mrs pacman is better

[white marsh]

not sure if it's the core or the rom

[blazing dove]

glad there's nothing wrong with it at least

[rugged wadi]

yeah ive had good luck with fbneo. handles savestates better than mame too

my approach to arcade is usually to try fbneo first and then fall back to mame

[blazing dove]

i still haven't ever played actual arcade games emulated

i feel like i'm missing out on half of gaming

[onyx quiver]

This looks great!

[rugged wadi]

i mean a lot of the notable ones have good-to-great console ports but yeah theres a lot of cool exclusives and some that didnt really get good console ports

[white marsh]

lol

[blazing dove]

i do usually get neo geo which is currently scraping on my 405v, i wonder why neo geo takes so long to scrape

[gentle depot]

Talk about an Ace up my sleeve

[white marsh]

very few thigns in my "Arcade" folder are booting, maybe if I change the core?

[rugged wadi]

look for non-merged roms if you want to cherrypick games

[white marsh]

i've really not bothered much with arcade games, i feel like they never work out for me... but now I really want them to

[rugged wadi]

there are lots of different ways to distribute arcade roms and a lot of it is based more around fullsets where different games share some roms

[white marsh]

oh, hmm

[rugged wadi]

but if you just want to grab a handful of games, that doesnt work

[onyx quiver]

Was anybody able to change the RA settings to glui interface and save it?

[blazing dove]

i feel i'll actually bother with arcade and more obscure consoles and handhelds on this, since i don't have to "waste" space on dreamcast and up games

[white marsh]

interesting, i'll have to read up more on how arcade roms work

[onyx quiver]

Me too! Ony tate arcade, pico, ngpc , gb, gbc , maybe pce

[blazing dove]

oh right, pico too

i should get the license one of these days

[onyx quiver]

I wanna have this interface

[blazing dove]

think i'll wait til i have it in my hands

[onyx quiver]

I can change it, but it wont save the changes

How do I do that?

[blazing dove]

i think it's configuration file and it will let you save there

[onyx quiver]

Will try

[blazing dove]

there might be a better way to do it but honestly the retroarch has so many options it's confusing to me

but if i understand correctly, configuration file is for the global settings of retroarch, then core overrides are for the settings of each core used, directory overrides for the games in each folder, and game overrides for per game configs

[white marsh]

yeah, i think that this system is going to lead to lots of questions about arcade and mame roms, because i'm already confused about them, haha

[forest kite]

Jelos sets the RA config file from ES so it may be overwriting your changes even if you do save an RA config file

You may want to switch to ark if you want to only use ES to pick games and let RA manage all RA settings internally

[blazing dove]

i might actually do that, i didn't know that happened in jelos

i only used amberelec and arkos with my linux devices before

[static wigeon]

Are we in bizarro world? Did powkiddy actually make a decent device

[forest kite]

Not the first one this year either by many accounts

[half notch]

They've been making bangers pretty much all year.

[blazing dove]

i'd say it's their third or debatably fourth this year

or like, in the past 12 months

[static wigeon]

Those stick covers are cute, makes me want to look up if a snorlax one exists

[onyx quiver]

Configuration file doesnt do it , very strange. It seems like arkos has protected it or so. I have changed it on every ra system i own, but this one wont let me

[blazing dove]

rk2023, x55, x28 (very debatable but it was a very cheap t618 for a long time, now made obsolete by the rp2s and 405v) and rgb30

[half notch]

https://tenor.com/view/carlos-dab-gif-18673913

X28 is the best T618 handheld don't @me

[onyx quiver]

Yeah, that is what happening here 😢😢😢

[forest kite]

You switched to arkOS already?

[onyx quiver]

It is on arkos by default

[forest kite]

It is not

It’s jelos

[onyx quiver]

Jelos

[forest kite]

Yeah I think if you want to spend time in retroarch menus you may want to try arkOS instead?

ES doesn’t touch RA settings in arkOS like it does in jelos, which is good or bad depending on your preferences

[onyx quiver]

Jelos is blocking me from changing it, why? And jelos is sluggish AF

[forest kite]

Jelos manages RA settings from ES for the most part to prevent you from having to deal with the maze that is RA

[white marsh]

i may switch to pokeballs since they're round, heh

[onyx quiver]

You misspelled “the rabbit hole”

[forest kite]

ArkOS also has “quick mode” - if you do a hotkey it will save your state (if it’s an RA core), quit the game, and shut down safely with a single press, then on next boot it will bring you right back to that state in that game (if it was an RA core) bypassing ES

[onyx quiver]

I own a rg552 and i have it on default batocera firmware and it is perfect ! No need for arkos or jelos, it gets criticised a lot the default firmware but I love it

[forest kite]

There are pros and cons for any firmware but for primarily retroarch based 3566 devices it’s hard to beat arkOS imo

[onyx quiver]

I have autosave turned off, i hate it when games autosave state

[forest kite]

Love jelos on my max 3 but I’m putting ark on the RGB30

[onyx quiver]

I have arkos on my rg353m and love it

[blazing dove]

huh, i didn't even know that

[forest kite]

That’s a new-ish feature

Couple months or so

[blazing dove]

hmmm

i think that's around when i flashed my 503

[forest kite]

On my 353vs it’s menu + power, not sure on the rgb30, might be select and power

[blazing dove]

or maybe it was 3 months

[desert jewel]

So I just ordered a steam deck and I have the RGB30 coming in the mail. My Q is: these two plus my powerful gaming pc has me fully covered right?

[rugged wadi]

pretty much. depends what games u want to bust out your steam deck for

[blazing dove]

depends, if you get into it you'll look for any excuse to get more

[desert jewel]

I wanna use my steam deck for N64+ all the way to its limit

[rugged wadi]

yeah fair then

some people dont like using a steam deck for n64 or psp lol

[desert jewel]

Really? Frick

That was a lot of why I bought it

[rugged wadi]

i mean youre fine lol

[desert jewel]

Haha

[rugged wadi]

it will run great its just big

[desert jewel]

I have huge hands

I’m hoping it’ll be good

[forest kite]

It’s me, I’m people

For whatever reason I feel like my deck starts at GC/PS2 lol

[desert jewel]

K, not quite this big ^ but I’m 6’2” and my hands are pretty big

[forest kite]

I dunno it just feels like overkill to use the deck for n64 even though it’s definitely fine

[desert jewel]

Plz elaborate on why n64 isn’t your jam on the deck

[forest kite]

It’s just me feeling like n64/psp are systems that should fit in my pocket I suppose

[blazing dove]

gba looks amazing on steam deck

it also feels super weird to play on it

[forest kite]

Haha, I feel like playing GBA on my max 3 is opulent enough

[desert jewel]

Okay, hit me with your favorite pocket device for N64 and psp. $ no object

[forest kite]

Honestly I haven’t found anything super perfect for them

Using right stick as C buttons is starting to really bother me tbh

PSP on the max 3 is pretty great

[blazing dove]

n64 is a pain on anything, i think if i really got into it i'd get a wireless n64 controller and play it on my pc

[forest kite]

But the max 3 has no wifi and currently no sleep mode (the first is a hardware limitation, the second is a firmware issue that is WIP)

[blazing dove]

i'll definitely play a bunch of psp stuff on my rp3+

[forest kite]

Yeah pretty much any decent widescreen retro handheld should be good for psp

[blazing dove]

even 3566 ones aren't too terrible, i could play on my 503 pretty well

[rugged wadi]

503 and x55 are a little low powered for it but will do a bunch of it yeah

[forest kite]

Honestly PSP on the rgb30 is probably gonna be marginally better than on other 3566 handhelds despite the massive black bars

Just due to higher screen res

It’s still gonna be a bit small but I bet patapon would be fun

[rugged wadi]

except x55 which is also 720p isnt it?

[forest kite]

Oh yeah sorry, I mean compared to stuff like the 353 and rk2023

[blazing dove]

and beeg

[forest kite]

The 640x480 stuff

[rugged wadi]

right yeah. psp sucks on those

[blazing dove]

i was close to going for the x28 for having big wide psp

[rugged wadi]

i dont really bother on my 353 even tho some games run lol i just dont like it. might power through for some rpgs or vns just to fit them into my pocket i guess

[blazing dove]

i bet that would look great

[forest kite]

Though even there I’d play like, disgaea, metal gear ac!d (the first one - the second doesn’t run well on 3566)

[white marsh]

Well I'm migrating all my 353 content over to this now, haha

[forest kite]

Yeah for me the rgb30 obsoletes the 640x480 handheld except maybe for ps1 and sega genesis

[blazing dove]

yea this thing will replace a few of mine

351v, 35xx, q20 and 503 are gonna be out

(if it meets my expectations)

[white marsh]

35XX will still get love, that's my EDC device

[blazing dove]

i don't even pocket my q20 so i've really given up on pocketing devices

pockets always full

i might keep the 35xx just cause it's so cute

[forest kite]

I like my q36 for when I feel like I can’t fit a decent size handheld in my pocket

[blazing dove]

i'll just carry my 405v lunchbox around

lmao, looks so funny with the handle

[rugged wadi]

i need to get a pocketable case for my miyoo mini tbh i have the one it came with but tahts too bulky

i mostly end up pocketing my playdate when i really need something i can pocket along with my wallet

[gilded fog]

Played a little on mine last night, for $85 this thing is awesome. Battery seems to be dropping pretty quick though. I installed ArkOS and it's working great.

[desert jewel]

This is super interesting. So basically since no handheld has figured out the c buttons workaround correctly nothing is great. You feel that too @forest kite ?

[forest kite]

Yeah, the deck at least has plenty of extra buttons to map stuff to

But you’re making custom mappings per game often based on what the c buttons are used for

If the C buttons are just for camera control or even item selection like in the Zelda games using a right stick is fine

If they do stuff like rogue squadron where one c button is bomb, one changes fire mode, one is a special effect based on which fighter you’re using, etc having those mapped to a stick direction becomes nonsense

[blazing dove]

exactly

[dark locust]

Good lord where did you cop those stick covers?

[forest kite]

Playing rogue squadron with a c stick is like trying to play megaman for the snes with an ABXY stick

[dark locust]

Best place to order?

[forest kite]

I really hope we get a 6 button handheld capable of playing n64 soon

It would be great for sega Saturn too

[dark locust]

Their site or Ali?

[forest kite]

For rgb30?

I think either is fine

I’ve always ordered direct from powkiddy.com

[rugged wadi]

i would go aliexpress in case you have to do a return

[forest kite]

And this would be my fourth powkiddy handheld

[blazing dove]

i never ordered from powkiddy direct but anbernic sent me one of the best packed parcels i've been sent

[rugged wadi]

anbernic and powkiddy both pack their shit like cocaine bundles

[forest kite]

I had one show up with an issue (busted volume wheel on a v90) and powkiddy.com just sent me a whole extra v90 and even let me change the colour of the replacement

[blazing dove]

if powkiddy does the same, it might be worth it, just for less risk of damage

[desert jewel]

https://www.litnxt.com/products/powkiddy-rgb30-4-inch-handheld-game-console?variant=41163818729565

$80 shipped

[forest kite]

And I got to keep the busted volume one

I think LITNXT is legit too

They sponsor @timber granite with review units etc

Just keep in mind that with retro handhelds if you have any issues you’re gonna have to deal with wherever you bought it

If you order from aliexpress you won’t get support from powkiddy.com and vice versa

[timber granite]

What he said

They're the ones sending me mine

[desert jewel]

I ordered white from powkiddy and then saw this sale so bought a black one too from litnxt

[dark locust]

84.99 from PK official site

[forest kite]

why two?

[desert jewel]

I have two kids. And jelos will allow us to play two player stuff. It’ll be a blast

[forest kite]

Fair

Keep in mind if you want to play 3 player stuff you don’t all need the exact same handheld, just need three devices that all run jelos and can run the game

But also I know with kids you’ll probably be stuck with the odd one out as the parent in the room to prevent arguments between the kids (they’ll probably still argue about who gets what colour lol)

[desert jewel]

Can the rp3+ run jelos? That was one other device I was considering to play n64 better than the RGB30

[forest kite]

No

[desert jewel]

Dang

[blazing dove]

he'll need the powdaddy

[desert jewel]

Also, what 3 player games are available

[white marsh]

Ali Express, haha

[dark locust]

Got a link or product title?

[forest kite]

Unfortunately (if you like Linux, if you like android it’s fine) a lot of the mid range handhelds are android only due to their use of really locked down phone chips from unisoc/mediatek etc

The OGU/Max 3 with their amlogic chips are the only t618-ish tier handhelds I can think of that run Linux, everything else is either 3566 and down rockchip stuff or steam deck and up x86 stuff

[desert jewel]

I suppose I could just hook up my device to the tv and connect three controllers right?

[forest kite]

That’s true

[dark locust]

CH added instructions on how to add a rumble motor on his wiki if you haven't seen it yet.

[forest kite]

And yeah for 3+ player stuff there’s a limited amount of snes + nes titles that could do it via a special adapter but for 16 bit and below you’re mostly looking at arcade titles

3/4 player super bomberman is fun though

[molten spear]

Does anyone have a sense of Bluetooth controller input lag? Is it viable to play on a TV with say an 8bitdo?

[blazing dove]

or... the feared n64 games

would those run multiplayer?

[forest kite]

I have no idea

My gut feeling is that split screen would make Mario kart 64 run even worse

Smash bros might be able to work with the right tweaks

[blazing dove]

it works but it's not ideal, also my reception is usually bad so they'll glitch out for a little bit sometimes

[forest kite]

You can do 2.4ghtz wireless controllers via the OTG port

[blazing dove]

definitely prefer 2.4ghz

[leaden perch]

I heard this is a AA hand held

[forest kite]

Yeah, approximately 4 or 5 of them battery capacity wise

[molten spear]

Oooh good thinking

[dark locust]

Hope it lives up to the hype.

[forest kite]

At this point I hope it’s enough of a hit that other manufacturers are willing to try out more niche/odd designs

[leaden perch]

It’s a joke. Some people have two A buttons and not a B button

[dark locust]

I hope I have 4 A's.

[forest kite]

All X

[dark locust]

That would actually be pretty slick.

[forest kite]

If they had done four colours I’d be tempted to get 4 and then swap the buttons around so that I could have an AAAA, BBBB, XXXX, and YYYY

[timber niche]

can anyone be so kind and let me know if I'm doing the custom aspect ratio correctly with integer scaling applied? Trying to go for 8:7 SNES, so is 720x630 the ticket?

[forest kite]

So I think what you want is to turn integer scaling and ‘integer overscan’ on

If you’re fine to crop off 8 pixels each side to get perfect integer scaling in an 8:7 ratio (the crop makes it 16:15 so you wind up with almost the entire screen covered)

If you just want to stretch to 8:7 without a crop (not an integer scale) you can just set it to 8:7 and RA can figure it out from there unless you want to use a custom ratio to push it more to the top or bottom rather than have equal black bars on each side

[timber niche]

ah gotcha ok. thanks!

[white marsh]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtOTOyQ

@forest kite any ideas how to exit the file viewer? Haha

[forest kite]

Good question, I don’t believe I have ever opened it on jelos

No exit in the action menu?

Unfortunately I brought my MM+ to work today as my handheld de jour so I can’t check atm

[timber niche]

is it not X to bring up a menu to then quit?

maybe Y if not X

[white marsh]

Didn't notice it, I'll check again. Thanks!

[knotty sigil]

i swear this device is the best thing to ever happen to pico8

[white marsh]

Well this is rad

[blazing dove]

square boy is in my country now

[knotty sigil]

How long did it take from shipping notification to arriving in country

[blazing dove]

from the 6th to today, so 9 days

(china to spain)

[pliant adder]

Fits in my old 3ds xl case quite nicely

[brisk marsh]

Imo not really, this holds better because of extended height, otherwise they are the same...

[brisk marsh]

Which is weird because I thought PD defaults to 5V when it cannot communicate the charging rate with the device. But for some reason it doesn't apply here...

[pure vigil]

Based

[vapid imp]

Notice that too, but I wonder, if there is any historical/cultural reason for that?

It would be logical to assume that in the 90s there could be a generation that had more access to arcades than home consoles/computers, but were arcades really common in China at the time?

[polar flax]

That's pretty close to it I think. They had to miss out on basically everything until PlayStation 3. Most of the people in China are experiencing these games for the first time, and the others are the lucky ones who got their technology from Hong Kong or Taiwan way back in the day and long for their youth

Most kids or zoomers or whatever just play on their phones

Even here in thailand, I have had Chinese and Taiwanese tourists make a comment on whatever handheld I might have. The first few times I was surprised, but a lot of them could identify them pretty readily. "I saw this on TikTok! It's like a game boy!"

[vapid imp]

Interesting, because I think China has been making famiclones/SMD/GB clones since the 90s. Am I wrong about it, and is it more of a Taiwanese phenomena, or were they just not sold domestically?

[polar flax]

I know a lot of those came out of Hong Kong but I think some Chinese had access to that kind of stuff but it probably wasn't super widely available for the regular people. Remember that China has been rapidly urbanizing since that time. Lots of people they just never would have come across it.

[frosty sapphire]

Arcade is common in 90s in China

[polar flax]

Yeah. Lots of bootleg games in cabinets. That was indeed a thing

[frosty sapphire]

There are many bootlegs

We also have these renting service to play console games in the 90s

Many people first played sfc ps1 in these places

[storm dirge]

Have someone tried to play Gameboy games with the Gameboy shader on this device? And how does it look?

[frosty sapphire]

these are game magazines I bought in 1994

[onyx quiver]

It charged up to 25% and then it stopped charging. Since then i tied to charge it for 10 huurs with 3 different chargers and cables, turned off, the red light turns on but it does not charge anymore

What to do next? How is powkiddys service?

[upbeat owl]

The battery is not plugged correctly, so you will get an inaccurate reading. I have this problem with powkiddy devices. You will have to open up the device to disconnect battery, press the power button a few times to discharge the device and then reconnect the battery.

[idle sonnet]

Ok fine you're right, is this better?

[vapid imp]

Please do a 1:1 PSP

[idle sonnet]

Is there an ngage emulator? Lol

[idle sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-25986128

[blazing dove]

i'm worried that it didn't look that weird to me

i feel vertical stretching is less noticeable

[forest axle]

for me it's like colour temperature, you just get used to it and soon don't even think about it... until you put it side by side with how it's supposed to look 😬 then it starts looking goofy as hell again

[craggy jetty]

that looked fine to me, what the hell

maybe I'm cringe

surely not

[blazing dove]

maybe cause it's an anime style

[craggy jetty]

huh, this thing has clicky thumbsticks?

but why

[frosty sapphire]

Moonlight streaming, or map as hotkey

[blazing dove]

why would any console not have clickable sticks? they're two free buttons right there

[craggy jetty]

cost cutting I guess, but I see your point

[blazing dove]

for me if it doesn't have them, it's automatic trash tier

i always have l3+r3 as retroarch menu

[half notch]

I use just R3 as my retroarch menu hotkey

I realize no one asked, just throwing it out there...

[onyx quiver]

Did anyone make a grip already for his Powkiddy 30?

Like I did with my gkd mini?

[maiden slate]

Nah bro ain't no way. I'd return it.

[gentle depot]

This is my fucked up little guy now

[desert jewel]

That’s the way I feel about my kids

[maiden slate]

REPORTING INTENSIFIES

Also playing Sonic & Knuckles standalone 🤮

[gentle depot]

He fits nicely in my Retroid Pocket 1 case

It does not fit in an RP3 case

[lavish lagoon]

Am I the only one like carry in the soft bag? Like this one

[gentle depot]

I think both are good

Just depends on the situation

[forest kite]

I’d love a soft bag like that if I could find one better fitted

[white marsh]

You mean you guys don't have a purse for yours?

[lavish lagoon]

This is my all in one bag
I put device up to aya neo air , down to miyoo mini in it

[forest kite]

yeah I just want like a sleeve for this in my pocket

[devout cargo]

Where’d you get this 👀

And the cool Pokémon sticks 👀

[white marsh]

Stole it from my wife, was the first thing I could find that fit, haha.

[devout cargo]

Iconic lol

[white marsh]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKNoEIi

I ordered the powkiddy case, only $10 shipped on Ali. I'll probably use my 3ds case while I wait.

I was thinking it would be cool to get a grip, that doubled as a screen protector. The back would accommodate the buttons and sticks, so you would just flip it around to cover the screen.

[warped mesa]

I wanted to design something like that for my 353m for a while but then I 3d printer broke down and I still haven't fixed it 🥲

[half notch]

damn the blue looks really vibrant here

[dark locust]

@white marsh I cant get over those stick caps. They look sooo good on this device. How do they feel though?

Found them on Amazon too for $10 prime shipping:

https://a.co/d/gUq5dNY

[white marsh]

that's a mark up!

they feel fine, I may switch them with round pokeballs instead

i don't play many games that use them, haha

[desert jewel]

Can the RGB30 play movies?

[devout cargo]

If only they made Dunsparce caps 🥲

[white marsh]

that would be awesome, i haven't found many other caps besides gastly and ditto

[blazing dove]

damn

shipping speedrun

[desert jewel]

Anyone know this? I wanna put some fun shows on this device ideally

[white marsh]

more to do with the firmware

i know ArkOS supports it

not sure about Jelos, never tried

[brisk marsh]

Top RK2023, bottom RGB30. Somehow I expected fs scaling on RK to be much worse (focus on letters in "choose a game". Overall the rgb has warmer white and is more plaesant to look at

[white marsh]

so yeah, daily affirmation that this is the apex 3566 device IMO

Now I can obsess over what to get next, lol. T618 is tempting since it's fairly affordable and does the >= 64-bit systems decently, but a 3588 or t1200 may be worth waiting for

[forest kite]

I just hope somebody makes a 3588 that doesn’t look like it’s trying to be a switch lite

[white marsh]

I don't mind it, I like the switch lite, haha

what would you prefer?

[forest kite]

Either a clamshell or something more pocketable like the max 3 (with fully recessed sticks and inline shoulders) - once something is a horizontal device with protruding sticks and shoulders it hits “may as well use an x86 handheld” territory for me

I mean hell with the win mini I think that would be more portable/pocketable than the orangepi handheld renders we’ve seen so far

[white marsh]

I really want to like clamshell, but I just don't trust these companies R&D budget on testing those hinges...

[forest kite]

Has anyone had problems other than retroid? Gpd seems to have figured it out and so has powkiddy

I think the older gpd designs were a little more suspect

But the newer gpd ones and all the powkiddy ones seem solid enough

[white marsh]

just seems like an unnecessary fail point... but I love how the flip looks

[half notch]

Something shaped like a Saturn controller complete with the disc d-pad and 6 face buttons 🥵 More in the realm of actual possibility: something shaped like the Vita or PSP

[blazing dove]

fat gameboy, fat gameboy

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hypno-hypnotize-hypnosis-hypnotic-gif-5634751

[white marsh]

that's what's currently at the top of the list

[forest kite]

Fat gameboy is tempting but I’m gonna be waiting for the 11.11 sale anyway

So by then we may have a 406/506 and/or rp4 announcement

[white marsh]

mostly between that and the flip... flip has 16:9, but i've literally never played PSP, lol

[forest kite]

Or more details on the gameforce 2

[blazing dove]

i've been trying to kill the chungus to recalibrate the battery

started playing the banjo kazooie at max performance, max brightness at 80% at 3:30 pm

[white marsh]

yeah, that's mostly what i'm waiting to hear about, if a 3588 device comes out at a reasonable price, it would be killer

[blazing dove]

it's now 10:30 pm and it's still going

[white marsh]

damn!

(that gif was obnoxious)

[blazing dove]

i'm sorry

[white marsh]

no, i mean the one I posted, lol

hypno is great

[blazing dove]

oh, i didn't see lmao

[white marsh]

good, i deleted it

[forest kite]

https://tenor.com/view/chirsfarley-shocked-what-huh-omg-gif-6963624868839649661

Fat gameboy does look like the ultimate airplane handheld

[blazing dove]

it says 23% still so still a potential couple more hours

but since the battery isn't calibrated it might just die at any moment

gamma did a test with pokémon crystal title screen and got 26 hours

i wonder if i tried the n64 thing with not max performance and brightness what it would get

[forest kite]

Are you on gamma or stock?

[blazing dove]

gamma

flashed it yesterday, that's why i'm calibrating the battery

[idle sonnet]

Fat gameboy is powered by sheer girth it seems

[white marsh]

this is the only reason I'd get the gameboy colored one (instead of purple)

[forest kite]

(The correct choice is wood)

[white marsh]

hmmm... does dreamcast not like 7z in Jelos?

same with saturn

[idle sonnet]

New name who dis

[white marsh]

lol

[blazing dove]

mr. rotund pasttime child

[forest kite]

Fat GameboyOS

[white marsh]

finally a gameboy that doesn't shame my body image

[idle sonnet]

Fat Gameboy will love you unconditionally, unlike my parents

[static wigeon]

Except your uncle, who maybe loved you a little too much

[brisk marsh]

I really like RP3+ (in transparent blue) but the chip is holding me back. Hoping for just a minor redesign but bigger chip boost..

[white marsh]

Unzipping the 7z files fixed Saturn and Dreamcast. Not sure why it doesn't like 7z.

[forest kite]

They might do a 3S (like they did a 2S) if they wind up departing significantly from the 3+ in form factor

Personally I hope they do because I’d want the front firing speakers, button placement, and controls of the 2S on an RP4

And preferably a more standard screen res too as somebody who likes to integer scale

[blazing dove]

i hope they skip it and just do all that directly for the 4

[forest kite]

They’d definitely do the 4 first then later a flip 2 and 3S

[blazing dove]

which i think should just be a widescreen, with the 2s sticks, front firing speakers, analog buttons and all the juicy stuff

analog triggers, mb

[forest kite]

Yeah basically a 2S but sized like a max 3 with a 5” screen

Is what I would like to see for an RP4

[blazing dove]

i don't see retroid going the ergo way

i honestly don't know if i prefer the thin slate or the all same thickness style

[forest kite]

I’d actually prefer it to be a flat slab like the max 3

It’s the max 2 that’s ergo shaped

[blazing dove]

yeah

hmm

well, retroid sure likes their pocketable flat stuff

[forest kite]

Except I do think the new analog triggers and less recessed sticks kinda clashes with that

So who knows

[blazing dove]

don't see them changing designs, just gotta see if it's gonna be slab or switch lite style

watch them make a powkiddy x28 class thing

that would be weird

[forest kite]

Honestly other than FOMO and GAS I dunno if I actually need anything more powerful than a 3566

Like sure, I like some PSP games

[blazing dove]

i definitely want a small ps2 machine

[forest kite]

But the majority of the games I care about will run great on a 3566 and that makes my backlog about 10 thousand games deep before I need anything else…?

[blazing dove]

or like, at least something around the size of a switch lite

[forest kite]

Tbf I do have a steam deck

I like to play gc/ps2 and up on that

[blazing dove]

yeah, i definitely do too

but it kinda feels like cheating lmao

[forest kite]

N64/dc/Saturn/psp is the gen where the deck feels like overkill but my retro handhelds only do a passable job at them

[white marsh]

I want PS2/GC on a switch lite sized device. Steam Deck just feels gigantic to me.

[forest kite]

If the anbernic 406 rumours are correct that one will be hard to resist

[white marsh]

And for $200, lol

[forest kite]

Since it’ll combine a lot of what I like about the rgb30 with the ability to play ps2 well

[blazing dove]

i think of my deck almost entirely as a pc game thing, emulation feels kinda strange

although i have it all set up and was playing ps2 the other day

[white marsh]

Or the game force

[blazing dove]

honestly does make more sense to use a 4:3 for that class of device

you're not really unlocking any new widescreen consoles

unless you count 3ds with side by side screens

[forest kite]

Yeah, 4:3 960x720 is also a great res

[blazing dove]

but something that plays ps2 and gamecube and has a 4:3 screen so it's kinda compact... sick

[forest kite]

I wouldn’t want an otherwise pocketable GameCube machine to be widescreen just for psp tbh

I’m happy with my max 3 for psp

[blazing dove]

yeah, tbh i'd keep my rp3+ and just have it as a psp and gba thingy

it really is perfect for that

that would mean selling the fat gameboy though which is a fat no no

[desert dragon]

Interesting af. I thought China had a ban on home consoles in that time? Did that influence things?

[white marsh]

yeah, i'd like that

4:3 PS2/GC

[forest kite]

That would 100% be a tony hawk machine for me