Powkiddy RGB30

[pallid scarab]

oh shit, powkiddy are at work already

got a package update 📦

they created the shipping label

working through the typhoon

[gilded fog]

I can't even get the Linux file

[little monolith]

Ali or direct?

[pallid scarab]

taobao china

official China store

[little monolith]

Ah, makes sense.

[vernal kraken]

It looks like an analog pocket

[lavish lagoon]

Just ordered one , but I am in tour next week
not able to try it on the tour

[forest kite]

they said they were adding a screen protector for the rgb30 to the shop soon and would message me when they do

I'll probably order it and the protector together once that happens

[maiden slate]

Oh hey, you're the man who made the console-to-screen tool, thank you so much, incredibly helpful! (Especially with this device haha)

Update: played Sonic Pocket Adventure on my 35xx yesterday

I can confirm with 100% certainty that this makes the NGPC library worth caring about

Holy fuck I NEEED THIS @powkiddyfuckinglistenPLEASE

[gilded fog]

False alarm apparently the Pico 8 website just doesn't work properly on mobile

[leaden perch]

Is the plastic on this closer to the max3 or rk2023. If RK2023 I will pass

[loud gale]

Sadly... rk2023. To be honest.

[maiden slate]

Noooooooooooo

I mean I suspected as much from seeing the plastic in Taki's video... that's a damn shame 😦

[last topaz]

Which handheld is this?

[forest kite]

That’s the retro pixel pocket - also 720x720 but terrible

Crappy version of android as the OS with no touchscreen, bad controls

[last topaz]

That’s a bummer, looks like a great gbc style form factor

[forest kite]

Yeah, right now the analogue pocket is your only option if that’s the sort of thing you’re looking for I think

And that’s $$$$

Or you live with the horizontal and get this for 85 USD

[foggy stratus]

If we could get a fork of JelOS on the RPP I believe it would suit me better than the RGB30.. “Gameboy-lover”.. but until then and the actual purchasable thing.. this is probably a better bet.

[pallid scarab]

should get my rgb30 tomorrow or tuesday

but it comes with no cards, so I don’t have any OS

I asked powkiddy and the customer service doesn’t have the file from the engineers yet

[forest kite]

The new jelos release that supports it should be out like tomorrow

They already did a PR for the release

[pallid scarab]

awesome

[forest kite]

And that usually happens like 12 hours before the release

Barring any major bugs being found during that time

[pallid scarab]

https://github.com/JustEnoughLinuxOS/distribution/pull/2005 excellent

[forest kite]

I’m excited because the same release also will improve the max 3 sticks

[gentle depot]

Do you all get tracking numbers?

I've heard nothing on my RGB30

[forest kite]

I don’t think they’ve shipped anything international yet

Outside of review and dev units

[lean fjord]

i tried to cancel my rgb30 order and they keep ignoring me

[forest kite]

Just curious, why cancel?

I haven’t ordered one yet myself

[flat vapor]

Mine did ship out, along with my RGB10Max3, tracking shows a departure from facility to service provider.

[proud idol]

Is that from the powkiddy website or did you buy it from somewhere else

[flat vapor]

Direct from the Powkiddy website.

Ordered within an hour of it going live

[forest kite]

keep in mind the typhoon situation means a bunch of people have been either stuck at home and/or without power etc the past few days

judging by shipping notices powkiddy's warehouse was still open but who knows where their customer service people work

[hybrid flame]

powkiddy doesnt stop

powkiddy doesnt care

(I hope they are fine)

[pallid scarab]

https://github.com/JustEnoughLinuxOS/distribution/releases/tag/20230903 it was just released

[frosty sapphire]

The factory system is emuelec 4.5

[gilded fog]

Can you clarify which download is the right one? Unless I'm missing something there's no rgb30 build?

Oh nevermind it's just the chip number not device is that right? Been ages since I used jelos

[pallid scarab]

JELOS-RK3566.aarch64-20230903

should be that one

[gilded fog]

Yeah cheers I just got confused because the top of the page lists specific devices but I didn't realise the builds were agnostic to that.

Mine just shipped apparently, international powkiddy website

[lean fjord]

Just got my shipping notice

@forest kite was trying to cancel cause I grabbed an Analogue Pocket instead the other day

[shell karma]

do we have size comparison photos with other devices?

[pure vigil]

https://youtu.be/-poSumHeB4U?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/qaItQm1vrXk?feature=shared

[gilded fog]

Was Russ getting one of these soon?

[regal vault]

The specs feel like an overkill for this one

[gentle depot]

My PK RGB30 Shipped!

[regal vault]

Wooooo

[gentle depot]

Finally I can have my Pico-8 machine

[regal vault]

Get offline and unbox you mad lad

[gentle depot]

No shipped not arrived

[regal vault]

Oh i got too excited sorry

[gentle depot]

I do too don't worry

[hybrid flame]

Very tempted to get one just for that

What color?

[regal vault]

Id love this screen with some lower specs for ~ $70 ish

[gentle depot]

That's exclusively why I got it. I'm one of those guys that owns a Pico-8 licence

Also White

[hybrid flame]

I do also own one! Also gonna go white

[gentle depot]

If you have the license I think it's worth it

Good Pico-8 machines have been few and far between

The Clockwork Pi GameShell had official Pico-8 built in but the screen was awful

The FunnyPlaying Retro Pixel Pocket had a good square screen but kinda trash software and mediocre buttons

[gilded fog]

Any good game recs? I've never played Pico 8 but I bought a licence when I bought this device

[regal vault]

Celeste

[gentle depot]

Celeste 100% and it's many... Many.. Rom hacks

Fuz is a good Demake of Fez

Poom is a good Demake of Doom

[hybrid flame]

I think I may order this soon, you are getting me excited lol

[regal vault]

Super crane bug

[hybrid flame]

Also gonna be nice to explore the GB and GBC libraries

[hybrid flame]

It will probally go for something close to that on an ali sale, got my x55 for 75

[gentle depot]

Don't forget the Watara Supervision

1:1 screen there

[hybrid flame]

Dont even know anything about that but sure! Also Neo Geo Pocket i think

[gentle depot]

Just barely not a square

160x152

20:19 aspect ratio

[hybrid flame]

Close enough tho lol

[regal vault]

https://dwursteisen.itch.io/360-tetris

Oooh

And i played this a lot

https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?tid=44343

Like gta but golf

😄

You can wreck the cart in the pond

[frosty sapphire]

Good for vertical screen games

[loud gale]

somebody may have made this distinction already, but in case it hasnt been put out there... 4x3 consoles that we're used to seeing on 3.5inch 4x3 screens is actually just a hair larger on the 4inch square screen.

we're just not used to seeing it with black bars on the top and bottom. so it makes it feel like it's small.

[pallid scarab]

you could use a filter or shader to push it up

so there’s just one big black bar below

[white marsh]

That's what I'll be doing.

[pallid scarab]

is it image-adjustment ?

[white marsh]

Yeah, a few of us have been saying that all along. Still funny how many people don't get it, haha.

[white marsh]

I think so? @forest kite figured it out the other day.

[pallid scarab]

ok ok, I thought I read it somewhere then the penny dropped for me what the plan was

[little monolith]

If you crop overscan (8 pixels on the left and right that are usually garbage in most NES games) you get a full 240x240@3x, no letterboxing. I'm a pixel purist and was skeptical of this at first but it looks great on the FunKey/Q36/Nano.

eg.

(Castlevania I and III are the only NES games I can think off of the top of my head that run their hud right to the edges of the screen.)

[forest kite]

You don’t need to use a filter or shader (which would be computationally expensive to move the pixels on a per pixel per frame basis) - you just have to change your aspect ratio in RA to “custom” and then you can pick the exact pixel the display area starts on as X,Y (so 0, 0 for top alignment) and then how wide and tall you want the picture to be in pixels (so 720, 540 for 4:3, 720, 480 for gba, etc)

I may need to make some overlays to put something in that big black bar near the bottom - leaning towards something that looks like the control bar on a crt like the old commander keen main menus

Or maybe just a jelos/powkiddy banner

I am now leaning towards ordering black - I’m worried even if the colour is the same between my max 3 and this both in blue the plastic texture not matching would be really obvious

[forest kite]

You might be right that 3566 is overkill but 3326 is the only other chip they could’ve done that would have proper firmware and real pico 8 support and I highly doubt there’s a $20 difference in BOM there (maybe a buck or two tops?)

[regal vault]

Yeah im not familiar with pricing of the components just have this feeling that sticks and buttons and performance just end up not used due to the screen's properties

[hybrid flame]

just ordered!

its a fun and unique device

and powkiddy deserves some praise for how they are handling software

[regal vault]

Praise for giving up and letting the Jelos team do their thing 😛

[hybrid flame]

pretty much lol

better than making some closed source shit that no one likes

[regal vault]

I just find it amusing that they have no concept of what their products are good for or how human hands work but that goes for all of them

[forest kite]

The alternative being pulling an anbernic and stealing a two year old emuelec build and refusing to share your kernel sources

Nobody makes their own stock firmware, they either do FOSS properly or they cheat and steal

[regal vault]

I do understand why this is a lot better option. But its like giving a cookie to a 3 yo for not going near the stove

[forest kite]

I know the bar is low, but also somehow powkiddy is in the minority by actually meeting it

Anbernic needs to just go away at this point

I thought they could reverse course before the nano

Then the Nano firmware was especially egregious

[hybrid flame]

when all the other kids are playing on top of the stove, yeah maybe a cookie is fine 🤣

[blazing dove]

it's funny that powkiddy is surprising in terms of overall quality this year and anbernic suprised us with the low price of the 405v

opposites day

[regal vault]

Anbernic must have realised how finite their market is

[forest kite]

I still don’t think the 405v is actually that aggressively priced after shipping is taken into account but it is more fair than I was expecting

Not aggressively priced like the rp2s is anyway

(Not saying the 405v shouldn’t be more than the 2s, but after shipping is factored in it’s more than the x28)

[blazing dove]

well, it's like 30 to 60 bucks cheaper than everyone was guessing

taking into account that anbernic is usually pretty expensive

[vernal kraken]

This has HDMI right?

[hybrid flame]

Iirc, yes

[forest kite]

@maiden slate you're a sonic guy right? https://youtu.be/moYIIdXpFJQ?si=qLtmDFOS-rn9mYx2

this is gonna be one of the first games I play on the RGB30 I think

[maiden slate]

yassss

[maiden slate]

gotta go play it real fast

but definitely

I tried it on my 35xx and it's a great game

should be hot as fuck on RGB30

[hybrid flame]

Gotta get a neo geo pocket library going before mine arrives

[forest kite]

the NGPC looks like it has some bangers

the only two I'm definitely gonna try off the top of my head are sonic pocket adventure and metal slug first mission

[hybrid flame]

Oh yeah I need new sd cards

[forest kite]

https://youtu.be/v6vhtqQ-Cug?si=xLaNM74qjNvYcBwe this also looks dope

[hybrid flame]

Looks neat!

Also nice channel to find stuff

[forest kite]

Why does this say anbernic lmao

[frosty sapphire]

This machine doesn't have any print on it

[forest kite]

You’re gonna make powkiddy never sell us an unbranded device again

[frosty sapphire]

You could change it to any brand you like

[forest kite]

I love that there’s no branding on it or the max 3

I might make a bottom bezel overlay for 4:3 stuff that is just tux and the word “LINUX”

Or a JELOS one with the ascii word mark used on boot

Over on the other (RGH) discord someone shared what they’re working on for integer scale overlays

I like the offset rather than center aligning the image

(Shoutout to Jeltron if you’re lurking here under a different user)

NGPC had an at the time massive screen on a handheld at 2.7” nearly square, here it’ll be 3.5” integer scaled or 3.9” not

2.9” or 3.0” on a 640x480 3.5” for reference

[brisk marsh]

Is this a new Anbernic RG30? 😂

[forest axle]

if the 4.0" 720x720 would be too big for a vertical, there is a 3.5" 1080x1080 out in the wild 👀

[little monolith]

Looks like PK’s Ali storefront started shipping 🎉

[idle sonnet]

Cursed

[polar flax]

Lol i told you guys this was an awesome device

i love it for gb/gbc

pico8

[maiden slate]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is straight up the best thing Powkiddy ever made

[polar flax]

Better than the v90 tho?

the v90 was so perfect for what it was at the time it came out\

[maiden slate]

Every single one of their previous devices had some dumb flaws that could have been avoided with 2 more days of R&D, this doesn't seem to, besides apparently very cheap plastic

[maiden slate]

Hmm that's a good argument, that one was before my time 😅

[gentle depot]

For the time the V90 was the best thing they had
Right now this might take the cake

[maiden slate]

Yeah that's what I'd say tbh

V90 isn't really a good buy anymore, the only reason to get it would be GBA nostalgia, but it doesn't play GBA well

[forest kite]

It’s still the only good little clamshell but the only system I actually enjoy playing on my v90 is NES

[maiden slate]

So yeah I'd say this definitely looks Powkiddy's best handheld rn

RK2023 is outclassed by this and RG353PS

[gentle depot]

V90 can be a better device with Garlic

[maiden slate]

X55 is pretty decent, but it seems designed for a more powerful chip than it has

[hollow rover]

I want this build but 4:3. I can't choose this over the rk2023 because of it

[maiden slate]

X28 is just overpriced trash

10 Max 3 Pro is the first one I actually considered buying for myself, add WiFi and faster charging to it and we'd be cooking

But this

I just can't think of any flaws

[rugged wadi]

this is just a niche device i think. like for people who want a screen like this its great but a lot of people wont really have a use for it

but thats okay, they make a lot of devices! things dont have to be one size fits all

[maiden slate]

It's not only perfect for GB, GBC and NGPC, but it's also better for NES and SNES than a 4:3 screen

[gentle depot]

Powkiddy RGB30: If you don't mind bezels, this is the one for you

[rugged wadi]

rk2023, x55, and rgb30 are 3 very different devices with the same chipset and thats totally okay. more options for the consumer

[maiden slate]

I'd never buy the RK2023 because of the build quality and d-pad, this fixed the d-pad and changes the screen to something more unique and, tbh, better for my use

[hollow rover]

I'm team 4:3 snes so this screen would bother me

[maiden slate]

Yeah, I like that.

I still think the 353M is by far the best 3566 device, but well, that thing is expensive as fuck for what it is.

[hollow rover]

The dpad stuff on the rk2023 is overblown. I was honestly surprised how adequate it was. The plastic is smudgy and annoying though

[maiden slate]

I hate how the stretched graphics look, curious why you prefer it?

[hollow rover]

Dpads are very personal though

[hollow rover]

Grew up playing SNES on a 4:3 screen so looks normal to me. 8:7 seems stretched 😁 different strokes

[rugged wadi]

cuz the graphics were designed to look that way for the most part lol. it really bugs me when things that are supposed to be round arent. nes i can go either way but by snes most devs accounted for the stretch

[hollow rover]

I hope this thing sells well though. Need more interesting landscape devices

[rugged wadi]

http://i.imgur.com/rkDwAmh.png 8:7 snes moment

[loud gale]

I thought i broke my rgb30 tonight and was very sad. I was doing the dpad fix and LED cover up, and i didn't disconnect the battery while I was in there. I thought for sure I shorted it. It wouldn't turn on. But I plugged my usb cable in and it turned on (with battery at 100%).

my baby is safe

[rugged wadi]

but yeah personally i am team 4:3 and i dont think i play enough gb/ngpc/pico 8 to justify a handheld for thsoe but i do think this looks really good. but i have a 353m already

[hollow rover]

I keep talking myself in and out of this one despite me saying the screen doesn't work for me lol. I just get excited for plastic landscape non-widescreen

[forest kite]

It’s just as big as a 3.5” 4:3 screen for 4:3 content and higher res to boot

If you’re on team 4:3 snes

[forest axle]

what are you guys after in a 4:3 horizontal handheld? I would have thought there would be an option out there already

[hollow rover]

Yep - that's why I grabbed an rk2023. Not really concerned with res and the larger screen just equals larger device for features id never use

[hollow rover]

More power. Dpad top. Ideally larger than 3.5in. Not shaped like a SNES controller/inline shoulders. Rk2023 is really the only option right now

And plastic

Powkiddy ali store sending me coupons for this

[forest kite]

So your ideal would be a plastic alternative to the 405m? Do you require 4:3? The max 3 has an equivalent 4:3 res and display size but is also widescreen (and integer scales gba)

No built in wifi though

(Works with a supported dongle)

[rugged wadi]

i have a 353m already which is the main reason im not getting this tbh. i would probably go for this over rk2023 cuz yeah the play area and res for 4:3 are still good

[hollow rover]

It's a handle-ability thing (I may have made up a word) I don't need to travel with it in my pocket but if my kid starts to taunt the dog or try to climb down the stairs I want something I can quickly half insert into a pocket. 16:9 devices are generally more awkward and I don't play any 16:9 content

What we all really want is an upgraded 351p 😁

[forest kite]

https://youtu.be/RD1ehD2RuHA?si=ElRPacUUHpnqM9_K I might play this on it lol

[maiden slate]

Does it really need to be updated?

I'd be fine with just a cheaper 351p lol. Either drop the price on the current one or drop the 35xx soc inside if 3326 is too expensive, price it at $50 and it's a winner XD

[forest kite]

I'd like them to drop the sticks and up the res to not be as bad for other non-gba systems

but yeah the current one cheaper would just be a dedicated GBA machine for me and nothing else

720x480 is the next 3:2 res up that would also work for 4:3 systems

no idea if you can get that in 3.5" though

I know you can in 3"

[hollow rover]

Yeah - bigger screen and enough power to play more psx without tweaks

[forest kite]

the max 3 actually being bigger for 4:3 content is my only hesistation here but also I love GBC/NGPC/NES

[loud gale]

Yall know you dont have to like every handheld right? Its okay to just know it aint for you.

[leaden perch]

Thanks for wisdom. Also not everyone gets free handhelds.

[maiden slate]

Yep. Remembering this makes me a little bit less of a Retroid hater.

[lilac nacelle]

Interesting. You should write an article about how retrogamers create a toxic culture out of hating devices not for them. You know... journalistic outreach

[loud gale]

And there it is. Ha.

[gentle depot]

Eh people like what they like.
There's not a lot you can do to convince them otherwise.

Gotta focus on what we like rather than what others hate

[gilded fog]

I like that there's a variety of devices. I'm someone who is OK with (and prefers) having a device that specialises in a few systems. It improves the experience and helps with the overwhelming options if you emulate everything on one handheld. The rgb30 will be a gameboy and Pico 8 for me and I won't even put other roms on it.

[maiden slate]

I feel like I'm kinda schizo about this topic

On one day, I feel completely happy with what I enjoy and like the fact that other people have different options that suit their needs

On another day, I see a handheld that matches my needs almost perfectly, but has one or two crucial flaws (RP3+ buttons, RK2023 d-pad and logo) and I can't help but rage that it wasn't just that little bit closer to my preferences haha

[maiden slate]

I am starting to lean into this idea as well. I used to put only 2-3 roms per week on my RG280V and it worked wonders for my enjoyment of the games I did have on there.

Now my 35xx has hundreds of ROMs for like 20 different systems and choosing a game to actually play is... overwhelming lol

[gilded fog]

It's definitely a difficult one. I found the gotx stuff helped get me playing. Now with more specific devices I find I can choose things a bit easier because I'll narrow down to a system or even genre because of the handheld I want to use

[maiden slate]

What I'm considering right now:

35xx
GB (because it looks like a DMG)
NES (for games that look better in 4:3)
SNES (for games that look better in 4:3)
MegaDrive/MegaCD
Master System
PS1 (d-pad games)

351p
GBA

rgb30
GBC
GG
NGPC
NES (for games that look better in 8:7)
SNES (for games that look better in 8:7)
PICO-8

405m
Atari 2600/5200/7800 (these games work better with a stick than d-pad)
NeoGeo
PS1 (stick games)
N64
32X
Saturn
Dreamcast

[blazing dove]

welp, ordered this one too, now i have 3 consoles coming my way

i should sell a few

[gilded fog]

@maiden slate Are these devices you have already?

[maiden slate]

Nope, only 35xx (+PSP and Switch) so far

I only planned to get a 405m and be done, but I do often find myself overwhelmed with the amount of stuff on my 35xx and want to break that library down 🤘🏻

[blazing dove]

i wouldn't bother buying a 351p then

the screen, even if perfect for gba, is pretty bad

i enjoyed playing gba more on my 351v than my 351p just cause the screen looks so ugly on the 351p

[pallid scarab]

my package was delayed

maybe tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[gilded fog]

I like the 351p screen but I had issues with the audio crackling even without WiFi. Dpad also wasn't the best

[blazing dove]

for me it was mostly the ugly screen and really stiff controls that made me sell it, also it had some battery issues

[hollow rover]

(sarcasm warning) Haters! Haters! How dare you have an opinion that isn't positive about everything!

[blazing dove]

i can if you want to

[maiden slate]

I wish a more modern version existed

But GBA is my favourite system of all time (well, second after the X360, but can't handheld that) so I want as good an experience as possible for it. 😅

[hybrid flame]

There is the 552, its my gba machine

7x integer scale with minuscule bars on top and bottom

A tad bit overpriced tho

The max 3 is also a great fit

[vapid imp]

Sometimes it's well into the "let me speak to the manager" territory as if we're on QQ and not Discord and these companies actually read all that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Good times (not)

[maiden slate]

It's way too big for me. As much as I like GBA games, playing them on a screen bigger than 3-4 inches feels wrong.

[onyx quiver]

Dont forget neogeopocket (color) and pc engine (8:7) or nes (pal 16:15) or snes (8:7) and vertical shooters

[maiden slate]

Max 3 could work, but it's still pretty big for a GBA while 405m seems better for all other systems I'd want to play on it

[onyx quiver]

You need the ktr1 for gba

[vapid imp]

Huh, you kinda had me with PCE there

But I think D-pad would have to be exceptional for me to consider this as a dedicated shmup machine

[maiden slate]

I thought about it. But it's too expensive to use with just one system and the Indigo 351p looks waaay more nostalgic

I already have a DMG looking handheld, so I kinda want a GBA-looking one too haha

I originally bought the Indigo RP2+ but that device was... bad

[onyx quiver]

I own the $169 4gb model and it is awesome

If you ask the developer he will make a special colour for you I guess but it will cost you 😃

[vapid imp]

Like I thought Anbernic was great, but MM+ kinda surprised me there, it's just more... fluid, I guess? Second to probably only my 8bitdo M30 with a Sega-style disc d-pad

[brisk marsh]

You can actually drop 351p because on rgb30 you get 3x integer for gba

[brisk marsh]

Stiff controls seem to be a reccuring pattern with Anbernic. I really didn't like it on rg300x...

[maiden slate]

yeah but it has a 1:1 screen and doesn't have an Indigo colour, while 351p is 3:2 and does have that colour ;P

[maiden slate]

FWIW no problems with that on my RG280V or RG35XX!

[brisk marsh]

Hh I can totally understand the need for the right aesthetics 😁 I was not intriqued by gba indigo at all (for me it's glacier blue), but than I actually got one indigo broken for repair and I really like the color.

[maiden slate]

The Indigo GBA was my first handheld ever, the nostalgia is waaay too strong haha.

And Anvbernic usually nails the colour scheme, the 35xx looks just like my DMG did before it yellowed out a bit over the years 👌

[brisk marsh]

it is also very subjective so not easy to judge, but I am probably not buying another anbernic, unless it's something totaly great and unique..

[brisk marsh]

I can imagine. I was actually pretty disappointed inMyioo mini+ dmg color, totaly different shade of grey. That is probly the only thing I envy to 35xx. That and hdmi port..

[maiden slate]

to put it into perspective, if you ever had an RP2+, now THAT thing had veeery stiff controls, was unusable for me

[brisk marsh]

I haven't. And I also discarded plan for RP Flip because of some comments about stiff controls (dpad mostly)..

[blazing dove]

i've only had them with the rg351p, the 351v, rg35xx and rg503 have perfect controls for me, not too soft or stiff

[brisk marsh]

How to group those you mentioned, as now it's a little bit ambiguous...

[blazing dove]

in stiff-soft controls? all pretty similar except for the 351p which were too stiff

[leaden perch]

I wouldn't use the 405m for N64. The stick and shoulders are too close for me. Played through Sin and Punishment on it and wasn't a great time.

[brisk marsh]

I see, all clear now. Fortunately they don't sell any that would intrigued me right now so I don't have to risk it 😬

[forest axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STfo-vlBkmI

some nice footage in there

[maiden slate]

Hmm, what would you recommend instead?

I don't expect that to be an issue, I played through Ocarina of Time with a Series X controller which also has the left shoulder right above the left stick

[leaden perch]

To be honest I have found anything yet for good n64 emulation(stupid Nintendo and their crazy controller).

[forest kite]

max 3 controls aren't that bad for n64 imo (the speakers push the sticks closer to the middle of the device than the bottom so it's not a bad distance to me - miles better than the 353VS anyway) but the max 3 is still a bit rough around the edges and honestly I'm growing to hate using a right stick as c buttons

tried playing banjo tooie last night and immediately hated the way the c button stick thing worked to use the various kazooie moves

its fine in games where the c buttons are camera control but in OoT or BK (which are the two n64 games I actually want to play in current year) it sucks

[idle sonnet]

Burger king

[maiden slate]

You'll love the T618 device I'm working on (if it ever comes out (probably not))

[idle sonnet]

(sorry)

[forest kite]

I wonder if I should instead use dpad as c buttons and right stick as dpad

[forest kite]

BK is the best n64 game and the worst fast food place at the same time

[leaden perch]

Now try mischief makers! Lol

[maiden slate]

The only way my brain interprets "bk" lol

[idle sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[leaden perch]

B—K

[idle sonnet]

[forest kite]

I put some more NES games on my q36 to try and convince me I don’t need this and it’s having the opposite effect

Looks so good on the square screen but the q36 is so itty bitty

[surreal cape]

Here is my POWKIDDY RGB30 review! The auto-translations work for the most part, sorry it’s in Portuguese
https://youtu.be/STfo-vlBkmI

[forest kite]

No need to apologize for your language, you don’t see any of us crusty anglophones apologizing for our vids being in English 🙂

[blazing dove]

that was never gonna work

[dry badger]

https://retrohandhelds.link/RGB30

[white marsh]

I assume the RGB30 doesn't support high speed charging, but will it still charge off a high speed port, or do you need to be sure to use a low voltage block

[white marsh]

great video!

[thorny trail]

Good question, was just wondering this as well. My RG353V had to be charged off a 5V/2A brick

[forest kite]

I assume this will be the same way

[forest kite]

NGPC was even worse, with the 1.5x scaling the scrolling backgrounds in metal slug first mission look really bad

I love the q36 form factor (especially for GBC) but it is failing at helping me resist the RGB30

[blazing dove]

i really hate playing on small screens

the funkey devices are my worst nightmare

[forest kite]

That’s fair, and it’s not like I can’t keep a MM+ in my pocket pretty much full time instead

[maiden slate]

When my Polish family asks me why is everything I write/record in English I'm like

"Because I know you can't understand it so you won't criticise it like you always do"

[forest kite]

I should learn another language, I feel so uncultured only being fluent in the one

Between this hobby and my tastes in cuisine simplified mandarin might be a fun and difficult one. I have a tiny baseline of German but it doesn’t seem very practical - almost nobody speaks German without speaking at least a little bit of English so it wouldn’t expand my travel opportunities the way Mandarin, Arabic, or Spanish would.

[warped mesa]

It's so hard to learn a new language when nobody around speaks it wuth you

Like none of my friends want to talk to me in C

[forest kite]

I do have one friend who could speak Portuguese with me

I used to have a co-worker who spoke Spanish but she just went back to school

[maiden slate]

Same. My 280V was pissing me off because the build quality was so good but the screen was miniscule and controls cramped. I can't imagine using a funkey lol.

[forest kite]

One co-worker can speak Tagalog but I think she’s pretty rusty - it was a household thing for her as a child but she doesn’t speak it anymore since moving out on her own

[maiden slate]

Don't feel bad for it, when you're born in a country with a rich culture (USA, Britain, China, Japan) you don't really have a need for a second language like we do in less dominant countries

I learned English at the age of 10 because I was really into retro gaming (that was back in 2008) and nobody in this country even knew what an SNES is

Though learning a language is always fun and rewarding and if you have any drive to do it, it's worth a try. It's easier than you expect!

If the language is very similar (like English is to Dutch or Swedish), you can become conversational quite fast

[forest kite]

Unfortunately the ones I’m interested in learning for the most part are very different (often using an entirely different alphabet) but I think Spanish is supposed to be fairly easy

[maiden slate]

My advice is, choose something you're emotionally connected with

Even if the language isn't very practical, but you love a country's music, cuisine or videogames or whatever, that can be enough of a connection to carry you through the learning process

I learned Spanish when I was 15 because I loved Enrique Iglesias' music, and all the girls were into him, so I was like fuck it I'll learn the language to understand wtf he's singing about and impress girls (it did work)

[forest kite]

Lol

That would be a strong point in favour of mandarin

[blazing dove]

as a Spaniard, I'd definitely recommend Spanish, so many people in the western world speak it

[forest kite]

But yeah Spanish seems very useful and I’m more likely to actually get to talk to Spanish speakers here

[blazing dove]

feel free to message if you end up doing it and need some help

[maiden slate]

Don't fuss too much about the difficulty. If it's your first time learning a language, it will be challenging anyway.

Like, if you like Chinese culture a lot, or the food or whatever, chances are learning how to talk about these subjects in Mandarin will actually feel easier than learning an "easy" language you don't care much about.

Korean is super hard but I enjoyed learning it so I can pretend I'm good at League of Legends and flame my teammates without getting banned

[forest kite]

I found the secret there is to be verbose and witty to get around the chat filter

[blazing dove]

well, asian languages are way, way harder than anything with the roman alphabet, and the vocabulary is completely different

[forest kite]

‘Kys’ gets you banned, ‘nobody would be overly bothered if you perished in a house fire’ seems to get a pass on league

[blazing dove]

i've been trying to learn japanese all my life and by using the same method i used for english, i barely got any results

[blazing dove]

try keep yourself safe

[forest kite]

Honestly I just don’t flame people anymore

Because it was a bad habit

[maiden slate]

I love everything about Spanish culture. The music, the literature, the life philosophy... But there is one thing I could never understand.

How do your former colonies have such amazing food with tons of spices while Spanish food is just whatever

[forest kite]

But I’m honestly surprised I got away with it

[blazing dove]

i don't think our food is whatever, but it's definitely simpler and less full of spices

have you tried it in Spain?

[maiden slate]

Yesssss, I love writing subtly aggressive novels in chat.

"It's okay mate, I'm not gonna flame you for this gank, you're already getting it a lot from your parents"

[maiden slate]

Yeah same, as I got older I just want to play a game and have a good time, I focus on my own shit and don't care too much if someone ints me

But if I get someone I can have genuine banter in chat with, oh my god I do love me that!

[maiden slate]

Haha I meant it as a dig, your food is fine. 😛

I do like me a tortilla de patatas or one of those sandwiches with like grated tomatoes and jamón? I also learned how to cook a paella in Valencia, but I'm not a big fan of rice.

It's just that Mexico, central america and the Philippines have such god tier cuisines that I am surprised more of that stuff hasn't made it back to the mainland 😁

[blazing dove]

i guess we mostly got some of the raw ingredients back, but not the full dishes

[forest kite]

I’m addicted to Mexican cuisine since moving to like the one part of Canada where Mexican people live in any decent number

[blazing dove]

i'd say we excel at very hearty meals, spoon stuff, fatty meat

i love that mexican is a separate thing cause it feels much more special, gonna go eat mexican with my mom this weekend

[maiden slate]

Ohh, besides your tortillas I haven't really experienced that, any examples?

[maiden slate]

Enjoy! It's some of my favourite food in the world!

Like between India, Mexico and South Korea, I could eat a different dish every day and not run out of good stuff for like a year haha

[blazing dove]

fabada from asturias, cocido from madrid, lentils and chorizo, fries with fried eggs and picadillo

gotta stop ir I'll get hungry

[forest kite]

There’s a great Korean place around the corner from me I need to go to again

[blazing dove]

yeah those are my favs too, with some other asian stuff

[maiden slate]

Man I envy you soooo much

The closest Korean place is like 100km from here so I need to cook it all myself 😢

[forest kite]

I’m making some weird Korean Italian fusion stuff for dinner tonight

[maiden slate]

Love random fusion stuff

[forest kite]

Shiitake mushroom risotto and Gochujang meatballs

[maiden slate]

Fabada definitely seems like something up my alley!

I'm one of the few people outside of the UK (to be fair, I did live there) who enjoys the full English breakfast, I loooooooooove beans

[blazing dove]

I'd say it's a totally different thing, but it's from my region and always thought it's amazing

if you ever find this, try it, it's extremely faithful to how a proper fabada should taste even if not super high quality

so you can get s good idea of how it is

[maiden slate]

Ha, okay, I'll look out for it in international stores.

I'm going to Amsterdam this month, they have surprisingly large amounts of Spanish stuff there lol

[blazing dove]

have a good trip then!

[storm dirge]

Because C is ugly 🙄

[storm dirge]

The Philippines have good food?😂😂😂😂

[maiden slate]

gracias!

[maiden slate]

oh hell yeah bro

tapsilog is god tier for breakfast

[brisk marsh]

C-riously? 😉

[onyx quiver]

It’s coming

[blazing dove]

mine didn't ship, but i ordered it today, supposedly 10 day shipping

wonder which of the 3 incoming ones will win

[storm dirge]

My wife is a Thai and not a Pinay for a good reason but if you seriously consider Filipino food as better than Spanisch food then you have a really strange taste 😃
If you like Filipino food then try frito mallorquin! You will like it for sure 👍

[white marsh]

@forest kite This is definitely going to need a list of screen configurations for this device, maybe some cool bottom-only frames for moving the 2:3, 4:3, and 16:9 content to the top of the screen, as well as some side frames for playing vertical 4:3

i'm pretty excited for the device though, 1:1 is the way of the future!

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-its-hip-to-be-square-hip-to-be-square-patrick-bateman-christian-bale-gif-12853204187753439565

[forest kite]

Just play turbografx 16 and nes in cropped mode and you don’t need any bezels 😉

[white marsh]

Haha, i'll be playing some 2DS, GBA and 4:3 content on there too

it'll replace my 353

[forest kite]

Yeah I want to replace my 353VS with this

Hopefully even replace my MM+ as my daily carry

[little monolith]

I wonder how many people who are enthusiastic for this device have a nano, q36, or Funkey in their past/present lineup. I know if I hadn’t experienced a 1:1 screen before (specifically how well nes/snes work cropped to 1:1) I’d probably be more hesitant about this. I know I scoffed at the previous two micro consoles until I was gifted a nano, now I’m a convert (of the ratio if not the micro form factor 😅)

[blazing dove]

can't wait for a 1:1 steam deck

just a floor tile

[white marsh]

I love my nano, it's basically always in my pocket, i even upgraded the speaker (partially because I thought it was the source of the popping issue)

[gentle depot]

Funkey was great for me at the time
Retro Pixel Pocket was not
Maybe the third time will be the charm

[forest kite]

I use a q36 fairly often - I like the aspect ratio and how pocketable it is, and I find it surprisingly ergonomic for its class of device being horizontal, but the screen is a bit tiny for me and the screen res is not amazing at 240x240 for a lot of stuff

But it did sell me on it being fine to shave a few pixels off the sides of 256 horizontal res systems to make them integer scale at 240

I was just playing SMB1 on my q36 at work earlier

[pallid scarab]

will get my rgb30 in about 8 hours

planning to livestream for an hour or two

[forest kite]

looks like this will get arkOS sooner or later

as well as JELOS

[hybrid flame]

Uhhh nice, I like arkOS

Mine shipped

Oh the hype

[storm dirge]

Why are you guys interested in this device? For playing Gameboy games or Pico 8? 🤔

With a resolution of 720x720 does the RA Gameboy shader look nice?

[hybrid flame]

For me, its unique and can do some consoles very nice

GB and Pico 8 included, yes

[forest kite]

Cropped and integer scaled nes/snes/turbografx-16, better res for vertical 3:4 arcade cabs, gb, pico 8, Neo Geo pocket colour, oddly enough if you’re fine with bezels this is just as large of a screen as the 3.5” 640x480 for GBA but it’s a perfect integer scale instead of an awkward res, and for anything you aren’t integer scaling it’s just as large of a display area as the 3.5” 4:3 screens for 4:3 stuff even and a higher res to boot (720x540)

So if you want to stretch to 4:3 on systems like sega genesis and neogeo (the arcade system, not the pocket) and crt filter it’ll work at least as well if not better

If you integer scale genesis/neogeo then you’ll prefer a 640x480 since those systems are 320x224 native res

[white marsh]

It does everything that something like the 353 does, except higher resolution, larger screens for a good number of systems including Pico8 and vertical games.

[reef wind]

for me its having something that can do 3:4 arcade games just as well as 4:3 stuff with fairly minimal borders either way

like i see it as a versatile device rather than a specialised one

[storm dirge]

Too bad it’s not a vertical device. Would be such a great Gameboy replacement

[maiden slate]

I don't, I always wanted a squareish screen, but I hate small devices 😁

[blazing dove]

because funny square
mostly gameboy and DS, i suppose, and that it's just so quirky and neat

[storm dirge]

But some DS games need touch input or not? Is it possible to play them with the joystick?

[blazing dove]

some need touch input, some don't, some it's minimal

like pokémon games on ds only require you to tap once in the whole game i think

[brisk marsh]

Wondering can RA actually do this in the correct order? Like crop first and scale to integer after, to use the whole screen? Or would it still use the lower integer multiplier based on uncropped res?

[pale forum]

yeah you can get away with just right-stick stylus comfortably in a lot of DS titles

[pallid scarab]

just picked mine up

will do a stream later https://www.youtube.com/live/RNHEy1NCr28?si=lOLyxAzMUx62EUFW

in about 2 hours

[crystal fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-mia-uma-thurman-square-dont-be-a-square-gif-4934721

[forest kite]

There’s a setting called “integer overscan” that tells it to round up and crop instead of down

[fleet coral]

How does it feel when you hold it? Allso does it feel sturdy enough?

[forest axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNHEy1NCr28

First question was about ergonomics and it doesn't seem great... but not terrible either. I think that's what is holding me back at the moment from ordering, vertical handhelds just feel more comfy to me. Screen is 🤩

[white marsh]

I'm wondering if it was designed in response to the RPP, not knowing the RPP would suck. Instead of competing with another vertical, they made a device for people who wanted that screen in a horizontal format.

[forest kite]

The RPP screen is smaller which I think fits better on a gameboy shell

Though really this screen is the same width as the 3.5” 4:3 we all know and tolerate so a device that is basically a 353vs but with the taller screen and no sticks sounds good to me

As long as they redesign the shoulder buttons

[white marsh]

Thanks for that!

[pallid scarab]

thanks for tuning in

[forest kite]

Yeah the ergo definitely doesn’t look uber comfy but better than MM+ means it would be an improvement from my current daily driver 😬

I generally don’t mind flat slab handhelds, the max 3 is not super comfy either but it’s fine

[pallid scarab]

I have quite thin hands btw

not sausage fingers

just as a guide

really impressed by the vertical shooters on this

if you like vertical arcade shooters - it's a must buy

[foggy stratus]

..I wouldn’t say the RPP flat out sucks.. it’s just rough. The screen is nice and the design is great, but the OS is not optimal and the input seems to differ from device to device.

[timber granite]

Is arkos confirmed? If so, I'll pick one up

[forest kite]

he's working on it AFAICT

there's one other CFW that may or may not come to this but it hasn't been posted about on either of the two big public discords so I don't want to call it out yet

[pallid scarab]

btw that entire session - used 50% of battery

max brightness

[forest kite]

yeah its a comically large battery for a 3566

[pallid scarab]

I think the screen uses more battery than other 3566 devices

[white marsh]

Sure, and I still want one if they fix the issues and decide to sell it again. Point is that they couldn't know how the RPP would be received when starting to make this (or deciding to make it at least), so better to go to market with something that has differentiation. Horizontal layout with larger screen, compared to the RPP. Maybe if this is successful they'll invest in making a vertical.

[timber granite]

Ping me when it comes out, arkos I mean

[pallid scarab]

bootyful

[forest kite]

goddang

[pallid scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

I found myself using my pinky and ring finger to hold the bottom so my thumb had better position on the dpad

it’s okay, not perfect ergonomics but better than mm+

[forest kite]

I hook the bottom with my pinky on the max 3 and MM+ too

maybe I'm just a masochist for plain rectangle controllers from being handed an NES at age 3

[pallid scarab]

the plastics are cheap looking compared to others

maybe the white/blue are better

[forest kite]

tempted to get a white with no screen protector and see how well it survives in my pocket

[pallid scarab]

the dpad, I may change it with another because it’s a bit harder plastic

[forest kite]

I like the max 3 dpad and it's the same so I'm not overly worried there

[pallid scarab]

this is the only negative stuff I can think of after an hour

no sticky buttons, dead pixels

3.5mm jack is surprisingly low noise

(you can use usb-c >3.5mm of course)

[forest kite]

are you connected to wifi? I always find with these rockchip handhelds the headphone jack is good with wifi off but kinda noisy with it on

[pallid scarab]

ah yeah, no I wasn’t

my rg353vs is noisy on or off

[forest kite]

I can't wait to play all the PC engine shmups on here

[blazing dove]

oh right, can you have a single card setup on this? i don't think i'll add too many roms

might just go with a single 64gb

[forest kite]

Definitely

If you use a windows pc you might not want to though

Since if you use a single card I believe it has to be exfat

At least in JELOS

You could always access to the rom storage via SSH though

[blazing dove]

hmm, i'll look into it, i have a single card on my 35xx but maybe that works different

[forest kite]

You might want to try using the crappy card included as your OS card and then a decent card in the rom slot

[hybrid flame]

yeah, I would recomend a 2 card setup for jelos

[blazing dove]

eh, i'll just buy another card, they're cheap now

[forest kite]

Plus if this gets arkOS support I believe you can use the same rom card for both and just swap the OS card (at least I think they use the exact same folder structure for the rom card)

[blazing dove]

just seeing if i could save a bit since i have the rp3+ and 405v incoming so i'll have to buy pretty big cards for those

[leaden perch]

This 100% true if you use a second card.

[forest kite]

Yeah I just started buying 64gb cards by the 5 pack lol

[hybrid flame]

got a deal on ali, 6 64gb for less than 10 usd lol

I will belive it when they arrive

[blazing dove]

i'm thinking 512 for the rp3+ and 1tb for the 405v 💀

might go 512 for both, but ps2 games are heavy

[hybrid flame]

for those I would go with 256 but I dont really play ps2 or GC on them

[blazing dove]

i wanna play some of those even if the performance is not ideal

i bet there's a bunch of games i like that play well though, i already have a big external hdd set up as a ps2 emulator

bute yeah, the rgb30 will be mostly limited to the weirder stuff that fits it more, gameboy, ds, that stuff

[forest kite]

I was gonna say it also does 4:3 stuff just as well as 3.5” 4:3 devices but then I realized you’re getting a 4” 4:3 device for that

[blazing dove]

yep exactly

[junior violet]

I only wish the 3566 was strong enough to play the later CAVE shooters

But the T618 is also not quite strong enough

[forest kite]

Need a d900 or better portrait handheld for later shmups and pinball

I will die on that hill

Touchscreen for NDS too pls

But that’s a very different device than this cheap and cheerful GBC/NES/Turbogfx/NGPC/old school arcade device

[junior violet]

true

[blazing dove]

maybe on the tail end of the t618

they'll probably pay attention to how many sales the rgb30 gets for these kinda devices in the future

[forest kite]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

Well, giving them another week or so to see if they make good on offering a screen protector before I order

[blazing dove]

i already did, i don't pocket my devices so no screen protector shouldn't be a big deal

forgot to check if they offered a case though, i wonder if it will fit in the one i use for my 351v

should

[astral girder]

Okay but what if we could get like, a premium version of this with NGP clicky sticks
that'd be endgame I'll never buy a lower spec device again

The perfect arcade system

[forest kite]

Honestly I hope we get a modern a12/a13 equivalent from powkiddy once they start rolling on 3588 devices

Now that would be an arcade system

[astral girder]

oh I'm still wanting portables here

I am not much of a desktop arcade kind of guy

[forest kite]

Probably my ideal 3588 tbh since I doubt we’ll get a pocketable one and I have no interest in switch style ones (may as well go x86 at that point for me)

[blazing dove]

i wonder if they could source that stick from 8bitdo

but i've never used one of those digital sticks so i have no idea if i like them

[astral girder]

I have it, it's pretty great

It has the clicky buttons so that's all I need

[forest kite]

The 8bitdo one?

[astral girder]

Yes

[forest kite]

I’m debating getting one

And setting it up at the desk where I dock my steam deck

[blazing dove]

i already have too many retro controllers i don't use

[astral girder]

It'd be pointless if the stick wasn't clicky, lol

[blazing dove]

i admit i'm curious about it

but i can't really justify it, i already have an alright fightstick i should reassemble and go back to using

honestly i've never played arcade games ever

[forest kite]

I like some arcade games

It’s not something I’m as familiar with as home consoles or handhelds

[foggy stratus]

Its an 8way stick, can’t lock it to 4way, so it’s a pass for me. Since I’m thick headed I bought it twice and returned it twice.. 🫣

[forest kite]

Isn’t the stick replaceable?

[foggy stratus]

I think both the stick and the buttons are. But I’ve seen other arcade sticks that comes with a lock, so depending on the game you set it to 4 or 8 way d, out of the box.

But the Nintendo/Xbox button layout switch is a nice feature..

[white marsh]

uses the same case as the 2023, I'll have to order one when the screen protectors come in

They changed the name to RGB30/RK2023: https://powkiddy.com/products/powkiddy-rk2023-bag-case

[blazing dove]

huh, are they really the same size?

[white marsh]

i can't remember which video I saw recently, but yeah

[blazing dove]

oh, if it fits the 351v then the one i have around should work too

[white marsh]

pretty damn similar

[blazing dove]

damn, never thought the rk2023 was so tall

[white marsh]

RGB30 is 145 x 86.5 x 18mm
RK2023 is 151.5 x 78 x 17.5mm

[blazing dove]

interesting

[white marsh]

so RGB30 is a little narrower and about 8.5mm taller

[blazing dove]

looks like it's barely wider than my q20

[brisk marsh]

,I finally pulled the trigger on RK2023 in what, June? With a notion that's it for me for the gba-like size for a long time, good chip, nice display, size... A month ago rgb30 announced, same size, much better display 😀 Damn. So can I expect there will be something even better in a month or will rgb30 be finally "it" 🤔

[blazing dove]

there will always be something better soon

[leaden perch]

RGB30S will be here for Xmass

[blazing dove]

for 90 bucks i think this is a great deal right at launch

and the resell price on any portable emulator is always pretty good

so really, it doesn't matter much

[white marsh]

I was pretty sure I wouldn't need anything after my 353p until a ~$200 device that can run all of PS2 came out... but here I am waiting for my RGB30 and eyeballing that 405v, lol

[pallid scarab]

I remember there was someone thinking of removing the sticks on rgb30, I wouldn’t do this, the sticks are actually good and reachable for other systems, unless you’re a gb purist, don’t do this

[brisk marsh]

Well actually might be almost

[white marsh]

RGB30VS when?

[blazing dove]

i said the same after buying the 351v and have since bought a q90, q20, rg503, rg405v, rgb30 and rp3+ lmfao

oh and 35xx

i'll sell most of what i have after i receive this batch and see which i like the most

[leaden perch]

Christmas this year

[blazing dove]

i don't think a vertical version would work that well

with 4 inches square screen, it would be weirdly proportioned

[white marsh]

I keep saying I'll sell one... but now iv'e got a 350, 353p, nano, 35xx, 2x A66, 2x TrimUI Smart, data frog, bittboy, a handful of various DS devices, just got my GB Micro...

[brisk marsh]

I think where I live there is not much of a demand for these things, but we'll see, I am planning to decimate my collection a bit, I have too many...

[white marsh]

35XX is still the most fun device I think, it's pretty much perfect (until the 35XX+ comes).

[blazing dove]

we have a pretty decent second hand app here in spain that deals with shipping and stuff too, so that makes it easier to sell nationwide

[white marsh]

But the RGB30s screen is 100% the reason to buy it

[blazing dove]

yeah i don't think i'm selling the 35xx ever, just how convenient just powering it on and off is

[brisk marsh]

haha, I also plan to buy just 1 device that can go up to PS2 and is not x86. Praying to Retroid gods now to not go much bigger with rp4 😀

[leaden perch]

Rk2023 plastics are so cheap. Feel like that device is going to break just holding it.

[white marsh]

Honestly, a 3566 device for everything PS1/N64 and below, then a 3588 device (or snapdragon8 gen2) for everything above that would probably be ideal. Anything beyond that is novelty (I love a small device)

[brisk marsh]

That's the thing though. You can't test these other than buying, because you just can't knownif it will work for you.. But it's not that easy to sell them afterwards. God I wish there was a WoW like vendor where you could just drop anything for a good price without much effort 😀

[blazing dove]

...and a small one, and a vertical, and a pocketable one, and a clamshell one...

...and a square screen one...

[brisk marsh]

Lol the same. I separate nintendo though, that is an investment, those I never regret. But chinese emulation production, that's a different story..

[white marsh]

Square on a 3566 is just the most versatile choice I think. It's why I wanted the RPP so badly, haha.

[white marsh]

yeah I enjoy my nintendo devices, i've got my modded GBA and GBC, then an original DS, DS Lite, 3DS XL, Micro, Switch, and then a Retron 2 for the kids, lol

[blazing dove]

i went the other way and sold all my proper nintendo stuff to go all in on emulators

[forest kite]

here's where I point out that for almost every possible system integer scaled or not the MM+ usually gives you a bigger display area than the 3.1" RPP screen

[blazing dove]

even sold my full package pokemon soul silver

[brisk marsh]

Just a feeling, to me the build seems solid, and I was happy to get it for like 65 because I don't mind having it in the backpack all the time. I wouldn't do the same with 300$ device..

[white marsh]

if the RGB30 was out when I got my 353 I wouldn't have got the 353

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-monkey-shocked-mouth-open-gif-16459002

[forest kite]

the rgb30 however compared to the MM+ gives you a bigger screen for almost anything other than I think integer scaled MD/NeoGeo/other 320x224 systems

[brisk marsh]

yes but 3588 or sd(in odin2) are quite big devices. I'd like to stay close to the gba size (aka rk2023/rgb30, maybe rp3+ ) but not switch size or weight I just can't play big/heavy...

[brisk marsh]

at least I see that this boat is bigger than titanic 😂

[forest kite]

a clamshell is what it would take for me to move up to an SD8g2 or 3588 I think

[blazing dove]

they'll probably go down in size, the first rk3566 was the rg503 which is pretty chunky

[forest kite]

since a pocketable non-clam is not realistic

[leaden perch]

If it doesn't brother you. It feels very cheap to me.

[brisk marsh]

you just basically named my collection except I keep also not modded pieces for the og feel...

[blazing dove]

all i have left is a ds lite i got for 20 bucks, and an r4 card

[brisk marsh]

For me the og gameboys also fill a decorative purpose. I just like to look at those things from time to time... I can't imagine the same with RGB20s likes or RK 😀

[blazing dove]

i like looking at my q20 mini

it's all it's good for

i hate the damn thing

[white marsh]

I've been wanting to get an unmodded DMG and GBC, just haven't got around to it with so many emulators to get, lol

also want to get a DSI XL

[brisk marsh]

I am eager to see whether the future is steamdeck/switch/odin size like and small handhelds will be forgotten, or we get new PocketGo but with a much better cheap chips in like 10years... Even now the level of what used to be FClones is almost up to gba (frog being even better example)

[blazing dove]

i think as long as people want a comfortable device, there will be deck sized stuff

[brisk marsh]

Absolutely, it's very subjective and I can see how it can be a bother for you. It doesn't scream "premium" build quality, you're right, but at least is not creaky or hollow-like feel.. The black v2 actually looks and feels decent imo...

[blazing dove]

handhelds have been consistently going up in size

i am excited about what the 100-150 buck tier of handhelds will be in a few years if the hobby stays relevant

[brisk marsh]

dob't even check trimui smart. But that thing is also good hw in contrast to q20m..

[blazing dove]

i just really hate the software experience

if it had something more like emulationstation and if i could just turn off the damn thing in a single step i wouldn't complain about it

apart from not having a pivot on the dpad, the hardware is pretty decent

[brisk marsh]

I finished Super Mario Land on the unmodded DMG but it was a struggle to see what's going on on the display. But that's part of the genuine experience I like from time to time. I even have a worm light for color 😀

[brisk marsh]

I can recommend 2ds XL. You hack it and can play almost all nintendo stuff before Switch...

[white marsh]

The smart would have been great if the software wasn't so bad at launch... It's really a pretty ideal size for a pocket device, and a lot more durable and comfortable.

[white marsh]

i've got a 3DS XL with cfw

[brisk marsh]

Can't compare and I am not buying deck just to try how it feels 😀

[leaden perch]

maybe they fixed it with the v2. The day one rk2023 are horrible.

[brisk marsh]

But I think past years have been unique in seeing like 1W chip (FC100s) which can do gba (V90, trimui, pocketgo...). I don't think we will ever see a 1W device but with power of e.g. 3566 in a very small device again...

[blazing dove]

probably not, but honestly for me those are a bit too small for me to use

i'm happy with the rg35xx's size, performance and price, i'm sure they can make it a bit better

[brisk marsh]

now it's better with the official 116alpha. But what I meant, besides the smaller display it is just design wise very attractive and solid build. Q20 is nothing in comparison (even without turning it on). Thw white and rounded just feels so clean and not cheap-toy like..

[brisk marsh]

so why specifically you want dsi xl?

[blazing dove]

ds games look pretty weird on 3ds screens

at least that was my experience

[white marsh]

Pretty much that, DS screens look better on it than on a 3DS.

and because I don't have it, lol

[brisk marsh]

That I cannot say, I only have v2 and for that I wouldn't be embarrased to show to someone (except I got rid of the "Powkiddy" sticker frome the back and am very happy the name is not in front anymore because that just screamed cheap kids toy 😀)

[blazing dove]

i can imagine a weird parallel universe where powkiddy never stopped using the extremely ugly shiny powkiddy logo under the screen

it's a pretty dire universe

[brisk marsh]

I see, but if you don't mind a bit smaller image (yet on larger XL screens) you can run in 1:1 pixels - I think you hold Select when starting the game from the DS cartridge, and it doesn't scale to fit..

[pallid scarab]

I would pay more for a metal rgb30

[blazing dove]

russ is happy with it too

[pallid scarab]

I probably wouldn’t up front though, I needed to try the plastic one first

[blazing dove]

it doesn't look horrible, i hope it's not bad

[brisk marsh]

It's funny how first reactions were mostly "wtf is this 💩" but then it actually looks like a really good choice

[blazing dove]

i was instantly drawn to it, tbh, as well as the 405v

weird and good is a rare combination though, glad they seem to be coming out pretty good

seems the whole spec list works very well together, except the lack of touch

really happy that powkiddy is mostly releasing good devices now instead of cutting costs so much

[pallid scarab]

the cost cutting is still there

I wish the chassis was using a better plastic material

[rugged wadi]

i thought i would mind the cheap feeling plastic more than i actually do in practice tbh. but i only have the max 3

not sure if thats the same plastic they use on other things but i dont hate the feel

[leaden perch]

Max3 plastic is 100 times better than the rk2023

[rugged wadi]

oh okay

[leaden perch]

If the Max3 gets a couple upgrades in software it could be great.

[blazing dove]

i'll wait for the max 3 pro ultra

[leaden perch]

That emote is pain

[thorny trail]

Watching today’s livestream made me impatient for mine to arrive. Wish they made one in clear black. Or clear purple.

[forest kite]

Wood grain

[blazing dove]

looking at my 351v i'm gonna miss the transparent black a lot, but the huge anbernic logo really ruins the look of the whole thing

[white marsh]

I really wanted transparent black, for some reason Anbernic has stopped making them on newer devices, no idea why

[pallid scarab]

The plastic is a bit like RP2+ but the black does not pick up fingerprints as bad

I’m okay with it now as well, it does not bother me but leaves a bad first impression

[forest kite]

I made this for all the people who want a vertical with this screen

[hybrid flame]

Miyoo looooong

[blazing dove]

miyoo weenie

[frosty sapphire]

I think it would fall off my hand easily

[gentle depot]

That's the handheld I'm afraid to play in bed for fear of dropping

[forest kite]

hrm, if I wait I might get a screen protector

if I wait I might be in line behind 10000000 RGC subs

[hybrid flame]

lol there is that

[maiden slate]

Tbh if we extended the bottom to be equal in size to the screen, it would look better and be more ergonomic lol

[forest kite]

I like the idea of just making the MM+ taller more lol

I wonder what doom looks like on this

[frosty sapphire]

An easier way to mock a RGB30V

[maiden slate]

the bottom part of the MM+ is already too short and cramped as is imo hah

[vapid imp]

Huh, doesn't look too big compared to rk2023, actually

[maiden slate]

This device is just what the RK2023 should have always been. Just a straight up upgrade in every way.

(Yes, including the screen - you get the same amount of 4:3 real estate but a higher pixel count)

[pure vigil]

I would buy it if the bottom part would be a little longer and had a dpad. It would be the miyoo mini+ xtra long

[storm dirge]

Instead of RGB30V I want a v30 😍

[pallid scarab]

Going live again with the RGB30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOPzwKVkWmQ

[forest axle]

we have analogue pocket at home

[frosty sapphire]

Poor man's Analogue pocket

[leaden perch]

Well, these don’t use carts at all.

[pure vigil]

Still looks better than any 4:3 vertical device. 4:3 on a gameboy will never feel right.

[forest kite]

Beeg 280v

[blazing dove]

i want it as a clamshell

the toilet

[forest kite]

So much room for activities - they could put an arcade spinner and trackball

[forest axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOPzwKVkWmQ

Shad0w59 is livestreaming again

[storm dirge]

My words, a v30

[pallid scarab]

Thanks for tuning into the stream

[forest kite]

the people's LG wing

[lilac nacelle]

you know, the only reason God of War runs like shit on any device like this is because the game engine cycles 180 times, while the fps cycles only 60 at max. there's a hack that makes it cycle only 60 or 30 times at the engine level, and makes it playable on rk3326

this is how distanced emulation gamers(and reviewers) are from the ppsspp forums. Like, you see it, chuckle, shrug, and hope one day people figure it out, and that never happens. It's a niche game, so 'eh whatever, nothing lost' until you see a reviewer go "God of War is LE UNPLAYABLE" for the 100th time. Okay, seriously. The cavemen seriously are just not bothering to figure it out. Okay, fine.

https://forums.ppsspp.org/showthread.php?tid=22159

[forest kite]

reviewers are using it specifically as an example of a difficult to emulate psp game so that you can compare framefrate to other devices

[lilac nacelle]

I get that.

[forest kite]

using a speedhack that makes it easy to emulate would completely miss the point and they'd just switch to using a different unplayable game to make their point

like outrun2007

(also I would wager most users are not in the business of hunting down and installing per game hacks to make things run well)

for me I'll just play psp on a device that doesn't need per game fiddling like a t618 or right now for me the max 3

[lilac nacelle]

the mad thing is the rk3566 is actually stronger than the raspberry pi4 in its current form. it's the new everyman soc, so figuring out how to get everything (even motorstorm) running full speed on it is sort of a trial of passage

[leaden perch]

It would be nice if the YouTubers talked about that. I think are just in a rush to get the next handheld review out now. I appreciate all the work they do. But, these videos have become very copy and paste feeling to them now.

[astral girder]

I'd give them a bit of slack, how many things can you honestly talk about with a lot of these handhelds

Especially since it's always first impression which means you can't really give a deep dive after months of testing

[lilac nacelle]

some reviewers like Emuchicken will go down the list and explain how to get things like Outrun 2006 running the fastest, but he's like one in a dozen.

his videos are also not children-friendly, so there's that.

[forest kite]

I don't think that's true - isn't the rpi4 closer to a 3399 benchmark wise?

which is stronger than the 3566 but way less efficient tdp wise

[lilac nacelle]

i was testing a 4gb orangepi cm4 model versus a 2gb raspberry pi4 model yesterday in ppsspp, and the difference is really noticeable. There's just a whole lot more instruction lag and general lack of gpu power on the pi4's end.

that Videocore VI processor is a weird sort of emulated gpu. its graphics efficiency depends entirely on the who writes its translation drivers

[leaden perch]

I like the craziness of a live stream, opening and setting it. Unfortunately that format has change a little also.

[lilac nacelle]

people get a lot of luck out of overclocking the raspberry pi4.

in lakka, you can basically go into a bios text file and set the voltage/cpu/gpu to 15/2325/950 on the clocks with forced turbo. you can also manually set the gpu memory. It's just... not an average user scenario though.

[forest kite]

yeah I mean that kinda OC is also something you probably wouldn't want to do in a handheld regardless due to thermal and battery concerns

[lilac nacelle]

mmmm... toasty palms

[forest kite]

but when you have an rpi4 swimming in a massive DIY arcade cab hooked to mains its nbd

[lilac nacelle]

I wonder how much overclocking the rk3566 can stand now

[forest kite]

now that 3566 SBCs are readily available you'll probably see more people testing that

but I don't see any interest in doing that on a handheld

[lilac nacelle]

makes sense.

[white marsh]

RGB30 really can't ship fast enough, lol

[prisma nest]

Can this thing emulate those sega arcades (naomi?) I think there's tons of shmups in those

[leaden perch]

are they shipping now?

[forest kite]

those run in a dreamcast emulator don't they? Might be kinda hit and miss

[prisma nest]

I thiink they do

[hybrid flame]

mine shipped last week

[prisma nest]

I was gonna ask if it runs dreamcast perfectly instead but I realized those arent vertical lol

so it'd have to be the naomi ones

[white marsh]

mine shipped, it's apparently in an airplane at the moment

[rugged wadi]

dc/naomi/atomiswave are all decent on 3566. most 2d games for those ive tried work well, you should be able to play a lot of the vertical shmups

also not a shmup but the arcade version of Monkey Ball for Naomi runs lol. tho that is a little unstable

[prisma nest]

Does Ikaruga run? idk sh*t about dreamcast emulation ngl just realized recently I enjoy shmups cause of othe 35xx lol

[rugged wadi]

yeah

[maiden slate]

this, acting offended that someone says "it can't run game x" while they could have spent 13 hours getting that game to run instead which none of their viewers will do is uhhhhh a special take

[ivory field]

it really does look like the perfect pico8 console

now heres the question.... can it run official pico8?

[gentle depot]

With JelOS and ARKOS yeah

[ivory field]

nice

then yea this basically is the goto if you wanted a dedicated machine for it id imagine

[white marsh]

I'll probably buy the official Pico8 with this

[ivory field]

if you bought the bundle on itch.io you actually already own it

https://itch.io/c/2375831/bundle-for-racial-justice-and-equality this one

[white marsh]

heh, I would have had I known about it

oh well

[astral girder]

I wish you could rig Ark/JelOS to run Pico-8 just like, on startup

[astral girder]

also the one caveat is that some pico-8 games need mouse

[ivory field]

Ah

Would be nice if one day we had official support on Android...

I know we have fake 08 but yea

[gentle depot]

Splore OP

[pallid scarab]

I forgot I bought this - so I own pico-8!!

[ivory field]

Yup

[forest kite]

Oh my god thank you for this, I didn’t even realize

I was so close to buying pico 8 again lol

Would’ve done it ages ago if the MM+ hadn’t replaced my 353VS as my every day pocket handheld

[ivory field]

I'm almost tempted to get this for pico8

Trying to resist

[hybrid flame]

I failed

[forest kite]

I think finding out I already own pico-8 probably has eroded the last of my willpower here

[hybrid flame]

so, black?

[forest kite]

I’m torn between black and max 3 blue but I think the black will hide bezels better which is probably pretty important given the huge range of weird res systems I’ll be emulating on it

[craggy jetty]

Man... Not to be mean but everyone goes for black

Be a rebel and get blue, it's far more interesting

It's not like I'm heavily invested in what you do but, idk man...

Isn't black boring?

[forest kite]

I already have a blue max 3 and I can’t decide if them matching would be a pro or a con

If they offered this in beige that would’ve been a no brainer

[ivory field]

only one left on ali is blue lol

[ivory field]

how does the blue look

[mortal palm]

They're actually selling out? Damn.

I'm going for blue so I'm glad that's the least popular (or most produced) at least

[forest kite]

I like it

I’m worried this one might be a different plastic formulation (heard mixed things about that) which could lead to the two blue devices not quite matching

[ivory field]

could be that its the only color on ali too

[mortal palm]

True, though the white and black were definitely available for purchase there on the 31st

they might've pulled them since for some reason

[forest kite]

Probably just actually selling a lot

So far reception of this device has been really good

[pallid scarab]

white wasn’t available when I ordered last week

so the colors are going in and out of stock

just added some timestamps to my RGB30 stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOPzwKVkWmQ

[frosty sapphire]

this is a great device for pico8

[lean fjord]

This device will BE my pico 8 device lol

My Splore machine

[frosty sapphire]

Someone fixed the bottom part

[forest kite]

your bottom one is just this lol

which I did as a joke

[frosty sapphire]

Yeah, just with some rgb30 vibes

[forest kite]

but yeah honestly I don't think the systems I want to emulate on this require sticks at all

so I'd be down for the vertical as long as the shoulders look like your mockup and don't ruin the device sitting flat in my pocket

[pallid scarab]

@idle sonnet @forest kite I think you guys were right all along for Snes

aspect Core provided
integer scale on
integer overscale on

that’s it

[forest kite]

yeah, should work for any 256 x [anything 224-240] system which off the top of my head is NES/SNES/PC Engine or Turbografx-16

[idle sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

Similar to this, looks great. You'll still have a little bit of black bars. However its worth it for the crisp integer scaling, much better than 4:3 on this screen

[forest kite]

on turbografx 16 and NES you don't even get black bars

[pallid scarab]

need to bother the jelos devs for an integer overscale toggle

or save a core override

[forest kite]

I've actually been meaning to learn to use a compiler again (haven't used one since like 2005) and build jelos from source to hopefully be able to add that exact feature - I figure even for a dum dum like me looking at how ES toggles generate RA config files and adding one more option can't be too too hard right?

but yeah if someone more competent beat me to it I would not be upset

I think given how many per game and per core RA overrides, custom aspect ratios etc I'm gonna want on this thing arkOS is probably a more suitable CFW as a system that leaves more of that kinda thing to RA directly

but we'll see

as of right now arkOS doesn't support this (yet)

[pallid scarab]

nestopia’s core provided is 4:3

this is what is confusing me

[forest kite]

that's quite odd

[pallid scarab]

so in this I have to input 768x720 manually

or I get black bars just letting it go integer overscale

[forest axle]

is there any option for mouse control with joysticks?

[vapid imp]

This table might be helpful, although it only uses integer scaling https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n60netUozRP8tDVTzMXORsa8BSzfBiLsUHkBffeDAT4/edit#gid=0

I'm a bit confused here because I think different games can use different modes e.g. on SNES and Genesis, but maybe render resolution != output resolution (e.g. the game just has black bars in certain cases by design)

[forest axle]

I'm still on the fence but the possibility of a native 720x720 Apotris is

[vapid imp]

I mean, Apotris is a GBA game though, no? So 3:2

[forest axle]

he already experimented a bit getting to run (albeit slowly) on a miyoo mini #926552349609164872 message

no GBA resolution restrictions

[vapid imp]

Oh, wow, I only knew about Apotris as a GBA game, my bad 🙂

[maiden slate]

uhhh how do I buy it, I don't get that site lol

[maiden slate]

just a tip:

add a 00:00 timestamp so that they show up on the video timeline

[maiden slate]

wym fixed, the top one looks much better lol

[pallid scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/live/WmtjBmdjeBU?si=-XFmZceb_dZWCXVC last one this week

[pallid scarab]

thanks for tuning in

[forest axle]

very helpful streams, thank you!

[karmic forge]

Seems like they ran out of stock? I ordered a white on Ali but I asked to switch to black. They said they only had blue in stock so sent me that

I guess it must be a popular device

[blazing dove]

damn, i wasn't expecting this to sell much

or maybe they just didn't make many yet

[forest kite]

they probably had no idea whether this was going to take off or not

[karmic forge]

I wasn't really interested until I saw Taki's review, it just looked so cool to play gbc

Also made me interested to try Pico 8

[blazing dove]

i was instantly interested, and then thought of possible uses for it lmao

[forest kite]

I was instantly interested because I already have messed with a square screen a bit (q36)

NES integer scaled with a light crop is a square system and that's what immediately made me want to buy this

just waiting for powkiddy to add a screen protector since I intend to throw this in my jeans pocket

[blazing dove]

i'll put it in my 351v case and sell the 351v

[karmic forge]

I hope they sell a case for it. Dunno where to store it without that

Are the joy sticks joycon ones?

[forest kite]

They do sell a case that fits either it or an rk2023

So probably not an amazing fit

The sticks do appear to be switch sticks

[pallid scarab]

leaked video from powkiddy parts sourcing dept.

[forest kite]

Lol, wasn’t that where MM screens came from?

The RGB30 I think is using a 720x720 display that keeps getting included in rpi embedded screen kits

No clue if that was its original purpose

[pallid scarab]

ah I thought it was this but looked up the spec and it’s only 3.5” 720x720

[forest kite]

Yeah the exact panel they used is already supported in the mainline Linux kernel which is super cool

This device should be able to go mainline with the other 3566 devices despite being that much newer

[gilded fog]

Has the arkos dev said if they'll support this?

[forest kite]

He’s working on it

Gotta get the themes displaying properly on 1:1 720x720

[rugged wadi]

yeah its small enough for arkos lol

[forest kite]

And rockchip enough

[ivory field]

must...resist

[hybrid flame]

why tho

[forest kite]

I asked them for an ETA on an rgb30 screen protector 😦

at this point do I wait or just use the device without one

(I haven't ordered an rgb30 yet)

maybe I just switch back to my 353VS for a while (MM+ being a bit weak has been pissing me off lately) and see if I can get over the lumpyness in my pocket

[mortal palm]

imo just use the device without one and maybe grab the screen protector later. To me a screen protector isn't a huge deal to begin with, and Powkiddy doesnt charge shipping anyways, so it's not like you need to combine the screen protector and the device in the same order to save money

[forest kite]

its just a matter of the screen protector becoming more or less worthless if I scratch the screen before it gets here

[mortal palm]

I get the fear but... when is the last time you've actually scratched a screen? in my experience it just doesn't happen with my handhelds

[forest kite]

yeah, it's one of those things where I don't know if I really need it until I scratch something so maybe I don't need screen protectors on any of these things

so someday I'll have to carry a device aroundin my pocket without one and see if it gets scuffed

may as well be this one I guess

[white marsh]

I'm just going to get one made at the mall, it won't be as good as a glass one, but it'll be fine for now

[mortal palm]

Worse case scenario you could always just wrap it in a microfiber cloth before tossing it in your pocket, but I don't think it should be an issue unless you're tossing it with your keys or something

[mortal palm]

Oh, that's true. Could also just buy a bigger one and the cut off the part you don't need I guess

[hybrid flame]

I think you are fine without one pope

Or one from the mall should be more than enough i think

[forest kite]

yeah, I normally do put devices in my jeans pocket but only by themselves

ok order placed, the wait begins

went with black

[hybrid flame]

Yay nice

[forest kite]

wild to think it was a decent chunk cheaper including shipping from china than buying starfield premium as a digital download

[hybrid flame]

Yeah thats wild

[forest kite]

I feel like my lesson from this year is that modern gaming is not worth it - upgraded my PC for the cost of like 10 retro handhelds, bought 3 triple A games at the cost of one retro handheld each, spent more time playing on my MM+ in the last four months than on my desktop.

[pallid scarab]

um

I’d be more worried about marking the plastics

when I got mine, I could see marks from the testers inserting a hdmi cable

I never inserted a hdmi cable and there were already marks near the port

[maiden slate]

Retroid is literally harvesting old iPhone screens lol

[maiden slate]

what's the +/- for each of JelOS and ArkOS?

[maiden slate]

just use it without one tbh

[maiden slate]

you can try it with one of the devices you already have but don't care as much about

[maiden slate]

Starfield costs $88 here for the base edition, not even the premium one 💀

would have translated to $95 just a couple of days ago but our currency became even more worthless again, yaaaaay

(this is not a good thing for us )

[brisk marsh]

I'd take Rgb30-like with 3,5" 720x720 any day, still large enough screen but more pocket friendly...

[brisk marsh]

Why not to buy a plastic (folie) for something bigger and just cut it down. It's a good temp solution,and you don't have to stress about when is the tempered glass coming out..

[onyx quiver]

I never ever used any glass protector on any of my phones or handhelds

[little monolith]

At what point does this device stop being a rumor? 😅

[forest kite]

When it gets three different cfw options and custom buttons from Sakura modding I guess

[pallid scarab]

I just realised pico8 splore works perfectly in jelos

[forest kite]

Yeah I think it does in arkOS too

Though that isn’t out yet for this

[pallid scarab]

I'm new to pico8, it's great how you can play games as soon as they are posted there

no need to take the sd card out etc.

[forest kite]

Super clever the way the game is hidden in a .png so your box art is your game and vice versa too

[blazing dove]

i never tried pico8, but i guess i'll check it out with this thing

you can play some for free with fake08 right? to see what i'm getting into

[regal vault]

Yes

A lot of thing work with fake 8

There was a bundle for racial injustice and it did contain pico8. Most people have it by accident 😄

[forest kite]

Yeah finding out I already own real pico 8 was the final push to get me to stop procrastinating and order this

[pallid scarab]

arkos has an easy way to set retroarch to automatically boot instead of emulationstation (graphical launcher) - if you don't care so much about boxart etc. and you just want to go directly to a list of games - I think this is quite nice

you can probably achieve the same in jelos by editing the scripts but I like how it was done in arkos

[blazing dove]

oh you finally did? hell yeah

[forest kite]

In general if you want to do more setup per system etc in RA you want arkOS, if you want ES menus to handle RA setup for you then jelos

[maiden slate]

Does JelOS not allow RA backend access or override these changes?

[lean fjord]

you can do most of the RA changes in JELOS from ES

shaders/etc

[vapid imp]

It does

I kinda never understood why "ArkOS allows tinkering with RA" was a plus, because I'm pretty sure any RA-based firmware allows you to do that

ArkOS just doesn't expose as many RA settings in ES

[maiden slate]

I do prefer to change everything in RA myself because I know RA, but I do think that dedicated menus are a better design

[maiden slate]

Except GarlisOS, which overrides several RA settings and doesn't allow you to tweak them at all (:

I hated that OS so much lol

[vapid imp]

Realistically I think ArkOS should be a bit more stable simply because it doesn't have the kind of a rolling release model that JELOS has

[maiden slate]

I mean you can tweak them. But launch a game and they're back to stock.

[vapid imp]

Like on my 351MP I had JELOS break things that didn't really have anything to do with the features the release would bring

JELOS on the other hand can bring out a new version just to bump up a version of RA/some other component which usually doesn't bring much for what RK3326/RK3566 devices emulate

More of a developer-centric approach where tinkekers need to keep as close to upstream as possible

[lean fjord]

that’s the motto lol

[vapid imp]

Also on 353 devices I think ArkOS would bring device-specific features (bluetooth, for example) earlier than JELOS because that is not really the point of that firmware

But probably not relevant for RGB30, because the SoC isn't as new anymore

[lean fjord]

https://github.com/JustEnoughLinuxOS/distribution/pull/2033

hell fuckin yes

[cold elbow]

No NES video gameplay ?

[forest kite]

Can’t wait to see the overlays and aspect ratio setups for this guy

I might start working on a GBA bezel

leaning towards having a small bezel on top and larger on bottom rather than equal or all on bottom

[astral girder]

I'd use that bezel if you made it

[forest kite]

There may be another one that already works but I’ll investigate in about two weeks when I have mine

[forest kite]

But yeah gba is something I definitely want to get as ‘right’ as possible on this despite the large aspect ratio mismatch because as long as you can make that not look terrible it’ll integer scale and be no smaller than it is on 640x480 3.5” screens without integer scaling

[astral girder]

Yeah the only "issue" is bezels

and dead space

once you ignore that the picture looks really good, very versatile

[forest kite]

Picturing something kinda like this but obviously cropped at the screen edges since there will be no horizontal bezel for GBA on this

Where you get the bit of curved black top and buttoom with hints of colour in the corners

Might replace the Nintendo and GBA text/logos with something cheeky

[blazing dove]

fat gba isn't real, it can't hurt you

[forest kite]

It would be ultra lanky gba in this case

[pallid scarab]

https://github.com/JustEnoughLinuxOS/distribution/releases/tag/20230909 released

[gentle depot]

My RGB30 is in Illinois so I guess I might need to flash it out of the box

[forest kite]

You’ll want to anyway because PK is still cloning instead of flashing and getting the nag screen slow boot

[gentle depot]

Ah wonderful

[mortal palm]

Roughly 99% certain I'm going to cave and finally order this tomorrow.

[forest kite]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-homer-simpson-maggie-simpson-lisa-simpson-gif-17191320

[prisma nest]

I can hold on I'll give it till 11/11 sale lol, still not convinced by dreamcast performance tho...

[forest kite]

I would not buy a 3566 for DC personally

some stuff will work, some won't, some will work with an asterisk

the 720x720 res is also not an asset for DC

which is a 640x480 system

[white marsh]

so that would be 5x? 640x640

[forest kite]

yeah

3.6" 5x integer instead of 4.0" 5.6x

[balmy dome]

Agreed, it's super disappointing, same with N64.

You need a T-series(610/618), or an A311D for perfect DC/N64.

[warped mesa]

There seems to be a new blue model.

[little monolith]

There's always been a blue model 😅

[warped mesa]

Ah okay I only checked their ali store and only saw b&w a couple of days ago

[maiden slate]

This is the only thing stopping me from buying this tbh

I'm super hyped buuuuut it only plays the same systems that my 35xx already does, whereas saving up for 405M would get me a DC/N64/Saturn device

[forest kite]

I mean the 3566 would play more dc/n64/psp/saturn/arcade stuff than your 35xx (and be able to use shaders, upscaling, and better fast forward) but yeah it’s not enough of an improvement to give you an extra gen of systems tweak free like an amlogic a311d or t61x would

[pallid scarab]

got my own video coming but russ beat me to it

https://youtu.be/KTb6ik1Eb40

[warped mesa]

Why is loose diagonal dpad input so epidemic

[lilac nacelle]

eh, just deal with it or build a phone+controller

[forest kite]

its tough becauase if you make a dpad that will beat the contra test it'll be not great for street fighter special moves

but yeah I'll probably tape mod this guy

a bit of kapton tape to partially cover the contacts is all you need to do to make a dpad less diagonal prone

I've been meaning to tape mod my 353VS and max 3 as well

[warped mesa]

But this one looks way too loose. I guess good thing is that the the rgb30 would be not too hard to tear down. I had so much pain modding the dpad on my 353p.

[forest kite]

wow. I'm only halfway through and he's already favourably compared the rgb30 to multiple devices that cost 2-3x as much

[lilac nacelle]

he says DS doesn't have touchscreen input, despite Drastic letting you use the right stick and R3 as a mouse and screentap

[forest kite]

just got to another device he's comparing to the rgb30 and the rgb30 wins lol

despite the other device costing twice the price

[hybrid flame]

The stick looks as bad as the one in the x55 lol

But overall very nice so far!

[hybrid flame]

They really struck gold with this screen huh

[forest kite]

yeah, minimum brightness maybe not the best for playing in bed and a bit of light bleed (also only a problem if you're playing in a dark room) as the main complaints sounds reasonable to me