Powkiddy RGB30

[hybrid flame]

I will just play them around the house and have em sitting pretty in my collection 😍

But also the rgb30 can actually make me play the GB/GBC library

And, as you said, 405v should be great for when I travel

Im sure as hell not bringing the deck on a plane anymore lol

[forest kite]

The deck is so large I barely used it on an 8 hour plane ride

[hybrid flame]

There is nowhere to put the damn thing when not using it also

A fat game boy that lasts forever will be more than enough

[forest kite]

I do intend to fly across the country this Christmas so that’s a point in favour of the 405v I suppose

In terms of which to get first

Weird the weaker and more compact 4” device has higher ppi

[hybrid flame]

And on security having to remove it from the bag and the guy asks "what is this?" And im like ".... Uhhh its a tablet!" " ok I guess"

[white marsh]

Ordered!

[forest kite]

I’m gonna wait for reviews just in case there’s some hidden gotcha but at that price it looks perfect to me

[white marsh]

The $20 off got me

[leaden perch]

20 dollars off how ?

[gentle depot]

Give me your secrets

[white marsh]

It's $20 off for the presale?

$109 normally

Or I'm a dummy and everything is always $20 off on their site, lol

[forest kite]

I highly doubt it'll ever go up to 109

it'll just be 89 forever

[white marsh]

Oh well, haha

[leaden perch]

I thought you had a secret code. It’s like the “Going out of business” store that never goes out of business

[white marsh]

Haha sure. Just the extra $5 from the "powkiddy" code.

So $85

[leaden perch]

I think 85 is a killer price for this. Just be ready to accept the short comings. Lol

[forest kite]

no screen protector available though?

I do need one of those to jam this in my pocket

[white marsh]

There's a place in the mall here that cuts custom screen protectors.

[leaden perch]

It’s is a big brand or just a independent place?

[white marsh]

I think it's called Zagg

[forest kite]

is it TPU or like the hard plastic?

I put up with TPU on my q36 but I think I'd really want a proper rigid protector on something larger

[white marsh]

No clue. Haven't needed it until now, haha

[forest kite]

if it's like the place in my mall it's just flexible tpu

like a film

[gentle depot]

I have never ordered directly from the PK website
The transition to another website to put in your card is wild

[leaden perch]

PayPal?

[gentle depot]

No it's literally just a different website with no PayPal option for me

[leaden perch]

Oh they must of changed it

[white marsh]

It's through a company called pingpong, which is a 3rd party payment processor.

[reef wind]

yeah most small online stores don't handle card payment themselves

[white marsh]

Kinda like square

[reef wind]

which is good tbh because no offence to powkiddy but i would not trust them to keep my card details safe

company that can't even stop its own salespeople from leaking out consoles early

[leaden perch]

When I got the max3 rgb10. I used PayPal

[white marsh]

Either way, 720 1:1 is the whole reason I got this, and the whole reason I was going to get the RPP, haha

It's basically a horizontal budget Analogue with sticks.

[foggy stratus]

I managed to get the RPP so I'm sitting this one out.. at least until the reviews are in and the price is up 🤦‍♂️

[forest kite]

price will almost certainly not go up

at least not by more than $5 tops

[white marsh]

I'll probably still get a RPP when it comes back out, lol. I'm hoping the delay is because they're fixing issues. If it's as customizable as they promised then it'll be cheaper than getting another GBC with IPS.

[foggy stratus]

yeah, with an OS like JelOS or something equivalent it would be ace. Android just feels of..

[foggy stratus]

Ok, thats nice to here.. then there is only the gamble with stock.

[leaden perch]

can we get the affiliate link for powkiddy posted in here

[elder ember]

Danggg

This looks pretty fire

First handheld was a powkiddy hoping this one is true

[night drift]

a huge square screen?? I'm in!
wish it was vertical though

[blazing dove]

trying to imagine how this thing will feel in the hand

i guess like a double tall 351p?

[forest kite]

probably a lot like the max 3

its basically just that but less wide and with more of the height being screen

probably about as comfy as a flat slab is gonna get

just by virtue of being a tall enough flat slab for your fingers

[blazing dove]

hmm, i'd imagine it's way taller than the max 3 pro, but the closes thing I've held is an rg503

hope it balances well with the controls being in the middle

[forest kite]

it is barely taller than the max 3 pro

the screen is significantly taller, but it doesn't have the chin with all the extra buttons down below it

[gentle depot]

Powkiddy's website lists the RGB30 as 2mm taller than the RGB10 Max 3 Pro

[forest kite]

yeah, tiny diff

[gentle depot]

10% ish taller than a 351P

[white marsh]

says its' 18mm thick?

that's pretty damn skinny

[gentle depot]

RG351P is 18mm

[white marsh]

I really don't get why people are hating on the square screen, lol. It's about the same viewing area as on a 3.5" 3:4, and in the same price bracket, but it's better on the more-square games, TATE, and DS... what's the compromise?

even playing PSP on it is no worse than PSP on a 3:4...

[forest axle]

RGB30V 🤤

[white marsh]

I wanted it vertical until I saw it, lol

[signal gazelle]

One day we’ll end dual sticks on literally everything. One day

[forest kite]

the problem is half the appeal of this is it being 18mm thick all across the device

how do you add shoulder buttons to that vertical mockup without ruining that

the thing that stops me from carrying my 353VS in my pocket is not the sticks

its the shoulders

[leaden perch]

This would of been better to me

[forest kite]

I just gotta hope somebody makes a damn screen protector for this

[leaden perch]

https://www.photodon.com/custom-screen-protector.html

[forest kite]

Kinda $$$ compared to the $10 powkiddy charged me for a pair of max 3 protectors so I’m hoping powkiddy themselves does one

Or some random one shows up on aliexpress

[leaden perch]

25 dollars for one. Isn't too much

[blazing dove]

i ordered an rp3+ today but i already kinda can't wait for this lmao, so quirky

[leaden perch]

did you order one of these also?

[blazing dove]

nah, i'll wait til there's reviews at least

seeing powkiddy is doing pretty well this year i think it will be fine, but you can't be sure

[forest kite]

I’m waiting on reviews of this and the 405v, can’t justify both

Battle of the beeg gameboys

[blazing dove]

yeah, i was on the boat for the 405v but ended up getting a very good deal for the rp3+ in aliexpress so i'm dropping it for now

i'm all for supporting these weird ones though, pretty tired of the amount of switch lite looking things

[white marsh]

I'm not sure if I really need a t618 device at all, lol.

[blazing dove]

for me it's kind of in no man's land, not being able to do ps2 and gc perfectly

i bet i can get a bunch of ps2 stuff i like to play, and mostly psp games which don't work that well on my rg503

[white marsh]

yeah, exactly... I basically play n64 and below (mostly below), and the t618 isn't good enough at PS2/GC for me to bother.

[blazing dove]

that's kind of why i had been waiting for a deal, i'll just sell it for a similar price if i'm not convinced and wait for the 3588 devices or maybe shell out for an odin

[white marsh]

do any 3588 devices have prices yet?

[blazing dove]

can't be much higher than 200, i hope, or I won't bother with those either

[white marsh]

yeah, 3588 might be my next real upgrade... the RGB30 is a sidegrade for my 353p, but it has that awesome screen and GBC is my favorite device, so it's a bit of an upgrade for me (budget Analogue)

[blazing dove]

can't lie that i'm probably just buying this to see a huge gbc screen

but it's so cool

[white marsh]

oh, that's totally why i'm buying it, lol

it's why I was going to get the RPP

[blazing dove]

which one is the rpp? just defaulting to retroid pocket... something but i know I'm wrong and i'm blanking out

[white marsh]

retropixel pocket

[blazing dove]

ohh, right, did they fix the issues with those? seemed pretty serious

[timber granite]

What's the OS for this?

[blazing dove]

being 3566 gotta be linux

[white marsh]

linux, JELOS just coincidentally released support for the screen

[timber granite]

Thanks, enjoy!

[white marsh]

you can't buy it, they took it down, supposedly they're re-releasing it as a kit so you can pick the shell, buttons, membranes... i'm hoping they're also taking the time to fix the other issues

[blazing dove]

oh, makes sense, the launch was pretty bad

hopefully they can work it out, i like the idea of a straight up gb looking thing

[forest kite]

It says “variety of open source operating systems” in the spec sheet and Christian doesn’t know if he’s on the list to get a dev unit yet - might get Ark (or even already mostly work with an existing ark build depending on implementation)

But yeah jelos for sure, ark maybe, potentially batocera once jelos gets the 3566 devices all running smooth on mainline kernel

[blazing dove]

seems like it's building up some interest at least, can expect something to come out for it

[leaden perch]

That unit went to a D listed youtuber. /s

[timber granite]

I'll wait to see if it gets ark then, thanks

[leaden perch]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-bug-gif-10031017

[pallid scarab]

https://twitter.com/retro_dodo/status/1695143061888606507?s=46

Retro Dodo (@retro_dodo)

The new Powkiddy RGB30 handheld is now up for pre-sale start at $89.99 for early birds, $20 cheaper than full retail price.

Snag one here (aff) 👉 https://t.co/lGgGTLMpNY

And no, that image isn't stretched... that's the actual screen resolution. 👀 DS games might be fun?

Twitter · Aug 25, 2023, 6:36 PM

this bad psd, makes it look like the console has a chunk missing from the bottom

😂

[loud gale]

[gentle depot]

I didn't notice that chunk until now

[forest kite]

There is no “chunk missing” on the actual units, dunno what’s up with that render

I assume it’s just a bad transparency masking

Yeah somebody coughed while using MS paint lmao

[native vault]

Can someone show a visualization of how both DS screens would look on the RGB30 screen?

[loud gale]

i can show you on an actual one in a few days

[forest kite]

I’m quite curious to try out using the stick as a mouse for DS

I’m sure it’ll be fine for some games more than others

[white marsh]

Please do. I'm also thinking of running the top screen max width with a small bottom screen for a lot of games would work well.

[edgy osprey]

I really wanna know how that will look

doesnt sound too bad

[white marsh]

I did 3DS proportions here, but sadly it won't run it: #🔥│upcoming-chat message

[forest kite]

704 x 528 for the top screen would leave the bottom screen at the NDS native res of 256x192

I’d rather do that than go 16 pixels wider up top and wind up sub-native for the bottom screen

I dunno how easy it is to set up custom size ratios etc on the emulator though

Hell with a good overlay doing 2.5x scale up top at 640 x 480 and then native 256 x 192 on bottom could look cleaner than that even

I guess the first res I said was 2.75 which isn’t a super odd scale either

Especially if I could switch which screen was big and which one was native res smol with a trigger button that would be cool

[idle sonnet]

I kinda want this but I really don't need it lol

I already have a drawer of unused handhelds

[pallid scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-have-a-problem-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s1e10-mr-hankey-the-christmas-poo-gif-21526921

[native vault]

Thank You! If only this device had a Touchscreen.

[native vault]

I know the feeling, I've retired so many of my Handhelds over the years. Only Four Handhelds are currently in my Primary Rotation.

[pale forum]

i'm sure you could cut the collector's market for these by over 50% if there was just a store you could visit to try them out

i don't actually want a retroid pocket 2S, but i do wonder what it's like in the hand

[blazing dove]

but then how do you spend 4 hours setting them up before throwing it into a drawer with the rest?

[forest kite]

If it makes you feel any better I’m shopping this against a 405v for all my beeg gameboy needs and you already have a 405v en route for dev stuff don’t you?

[polar flax]

my rgb30's just showed up. i have a white and a black. what should I look at?

wow. it's like a tall rg351

or a tall rk2023 effectively

[white marsh]

Some size comparison pics. GB/GBC/NGPC, TATE and maybe DS if you're feeling spicy. Maybe a 3:4 game next to a 3.5" screen device playing the same game, just to see the visible area difference.

[blazing dove]

damn, cool, can't wait

size comparison to a 3.5" or 5" console would be cool

and well, if you notice some big downside or design flaw with it, that's always good to know

[polar flax]

I'm not sure of I'll get to all that within the evening

im backing up the sd now

yeah it's just jelos

[white marsh]

No worries, just what came to mind.

[polar flax]

the screen did look nice

[white marsh]

Makes sense

[blazing dove]

hype is real now

[gentle depot]

Just means I've gotta wait on mine for less time right

[polar flax]

literally, and ill see if i can go get it

it looks like

a 351p

but taller

oh man it fits my hands perfectly

[blazing dove]

lmao, is it really comfy?

last thing i was expecting

i guess using the sticks and bumpers at the same time is impossible on this

[polar flax]

ok so. likely just a 2023 with a new screen

jelos and arkos have units on the way too

maybe steve does. no idea

I know Taki gets some units early sometimes too

but if we have them it means they are headed out to distribution too

[timber niche]

Rk2023 supposedly has a really bright screen right? What’s the rgb30 like as first impression compared to that?

[polar flax]

well it's off at the moment while i image cards. yes the rk2023 has a bonkers screen

from the ten seconds it was on, it looks nice

ill play some games in a minute hewre

mine came with a kioxia sd card

im replacing it with a sandisk

[blazing dove]

how does the plastic feel? seemed pretty low quality in the first pics but it kinda seemed like a prototype case

[polar flax]

seems like that one must have been a prototype. the case is substantial. reall;y similar to the rk2023

lining them up, the rgb30 can be described as a square rk2023 with a long chin. all the controls are alighted topwise, but it feels greeat.

[blazing dove]

i think being at the top makes it easier to hold, like how the deck is, balances it out

[polar flax]

it balances really nicely

its like 2mm taller than the max3 pro

[lean fjord]

Does it rattle like the rk2023

[blazing dove]

only 2mm? thought it would feel way taller

well, the max3 pro has those extra buttons at the bottom i suppose

[polar flax]

im eyeballing it

might not be 2mm

the height difference is negligible

[forest kite]

Honestly I bet it’s fine. It’s fine on my max 3 because the front speakers push the sticks further up compared to like the rg505 or whatever, way better than on my 353VS, and the control placement on this looks basically the same

[blazing dove]

great then, hope it's nice and thin, then even if it's big it fits anywhere easy

[forest kite]

I carry my max 3 in my jeans pocket fwiw - it being a flat slab with the sticks recessed basically makes it feel like a big phone. This is functionally the same dimensions but not as long so it should be fine for me at least

[polar flax]

ok well i'cve been setting it up for a while and trying some games

gb/gbc looks amazing

snes is pretty nice

the screen is not face melting but it is good. at 50% brightness, it's still really bright

nothing to report about play feel. do you have an rg350? 351? Maybe an rk2023? That's how it feels in the hands just a tiny bit taller

as a device, i like it

[forest kite]

Do you have a max 3 to compare against? Exact same controls?

[polar flax]

i do. no.

its basically an rk2023

its like an rk2023 long long man

[forest kite]

What about the dpad?

[polar flax]

https://tenor.com/view/long-man-sakeru-gummy-shocked-gif-17662687

dpad is square and beveled

almost feels like an NES dpad

actually it looks like it's the dpad from the max 3

(i dont know about the contra test yet)

buttons are rk2023

except start and select are little polygon shapes

[forest kite]

My 353VS’s days are numbered it sounds like

[polar flax]

just configuring mine, im liking it a lot

it just feels good.

feels solid

this screen is something else

[blazing dove]

damn, hype level rising

i guess you didn't find any glaring flaw?

[timber niche]

RK2023 is said to have an uncomfortable dpad and loud triggers. How are those on the RGB30?

[forest kite]

The dpad is different, it’s a max 3 dpad

I’m hoping it’s max 3 shoulders too

[polar flax]

yeah max 3 shoulders

with like a tiny space between them

[forest kite]

Nice. On my max 3 they’re clicky but not loud really

[polar flax]

these click a little

clonky yeah

4the switches they are uising arent the same

but the face buttons all feel like trhe rk

same layout too. nothing new or funny here

the speakers are forward firing and LOUD

recent powkiddy speakers have been very loud

[idle sonnet]

Stop you're going to make me buy a powkiddy

[polar flax]

this one is nice

wait i thought you got an x28 so you do have powkiddy!

[idle sonnet]

Dude when I was doing the dev work on the x28, I accidentally messed up the speaker config. Goddamn thing sounded like a nuclear explosion

The thing can get LOUD

[polar flax]

LOL

yeah the max 3 gets loud aft oo

[idle sonnet]

I didn't buy it though 😁

[polar flax]

i love my x28

yeah good point

[idle sonnet]

I really should get back to working on, but it's a chore

Not as fun as I hoped heh

[polar flax]

no but i would hope you can release it. it would be nice to migrate to

[forest axle]

are you allowed to share any pictures? 👀

[polar flax]

yes but it's going on the middle of the night now

i was going to shoot some tomorrow and share

yeah im definitely taking this one out tomorrow to try

really want to do some game boy on it

[idle sonnet]

I'll get around to it soon 👍

[pure vigil]

Try to 1cc dodonpachi on it

[polar flax]

I know that some of that is words

[pure vigil]

1cc means one credit clear

So without continues

[polar flax]

can that be done in that game tho?

i dont think i last a full level

[pure vigil]

Dodonpachi is 1cc able. I've done it, but it might be a challenge on this small little guy

[polar flax]

well either way. i dont play as often as i'd like

that's all for me for the day tho. will come back tomorrow with some shots

[hybrid flame]

Thanks for the impressions!

this is looking good guys

[forest kite]

I just got a tax rebate I wasn't expecting for basically exactly the price of this too 😅

I hope they make a case + screen protector combo for it though

[hybrid flame]

thats a sign if I ever seen one lol

[blazing dove]

yeah i was expecting some huge flaw for some reason

right now it seems buy material

[forest kite]

I think the 'huge flaw' that only some people will care about is the lack of touchscreen

since this does look like a decent screen for NDS

[blazing dove]

yeah that is fair

but at least it's something we already know about

[hybrid flame]

its possible this gets arkos too, nice

i like arkos

[forest kite]

3566: endgame

from the retro handhelds cinematic universe

then the final t618 will be a wood grain fat gameboy

fat gameboy supremacy at every SoC tier

carcinization but for handhelds

we just keep evolving fat gameboy

[hybrid flame]

steam deck 2 will be vertical, just you wait

and 1:1

[blazing dove]

you could debate the endgame for the 3326 was the 351v so another fat gameboy

i guess that is where we're going

[hybrid flame]

All starts at gameboy and ends at gameboy

[pure vigil]

The best ds game doesn't even use touch screen. The best ds game obviously being ketsui death label

[forest kite]

a lot of DS games I'm sure will play fine with a stick mouse

anything where you're holding the stylus the whole time is gonna be a gimmick game that has not aged well I bet

[blazing dove]

except for rhythm heaven

[brisk marsh]

I'n really curious to see comparison of gba on this and 3,5" 480p, will it be a visible difference? I mean the 480p screen is already prety high pixel density...

[blazing dove]

supposedly this screen has perfect 3x gba scaling, right?

just big black bars top and bottom

[forest kite]

yeah its 3x integer scale on this vs 2.66666x on a 640x480

[timber niche]

Interested in using this for straight integer scaling across multiple systems. Thinking the screen size shouldn’t be compromised too much

I think 8:7 SNES would look fairly nice?

[forest kite]

I think it could look amazing if you're willing to crop off 8 pixels each side so you wind up with 720 x 672 with a 3x integer scale

otherwise you'd just want to stretch to 8:7 and then apply a sharp filter or something

GBC integer scaled on a 3.5" 640x480 = 1.89" tall

integer scaled on a 4" 720x720 = 2.264" tall

straight 10:9 (not integer) instead of integer would be 2.547" tall on the 4" 1:1 and 2.1" on the 3.5" 4:3

so integer scaling on this is a bigger GBC display area than non-integer on a 3.5" 4:3

I can’t wait to play NES on this thing tbh

Gonna crop overscan and integer scale 3x to 720x720

[brisk marsh]

yes I know but my question was - is it really that visible since the 480p on 3,5 is pretty small pixels already.. That's why I'd be happy to see a comparison picture side by side... I feel like on my rk2023 gba looks already pretty good. so can't imagine how much better it could be...

[forest kite]

Personally I find non-integer gba doesn’t really stop looking a bit “grimey” to me until you get up to 4-6x range

Like gba on a 1080p is fine, gba even on a 720p is a little grimey

While gba on my 854x480 max 3 is gorgeous because it’s integer

Ditto the 800p steam deck

[forest kite]

Hrm, one consideration for this handheld I do have is that the max 3 is not much shorter of a screen and also integer scales a lot of stuff

[gusty ferry]

Is the joystick as sensitive as it was on the RGB10 max 3 pro?

[forest kite]

That I’m very curious about - my assumption is that it shouldn’t be because the max 3 joystick sensitivity is an SoC/firmware thing that should be fixable (not the stick itself)

It’s just a switch stick

[white marsh]

No pics?

[forest kite]

Not yet

He’s in a different time zone he just barely got to unbox the thing last night and is probably asleep

[flat vapor]

Just received shipping notification today for my RGB10MAX3 and RGB30, bought them both in Blue.

[lean fjord]

what RGB30 shipped today for you??

wow!

they were saying september for shipments so i’m surprised

[flat vapor]

Shipping notification, but when checking, it hasn't been picked up yet.

[lean fjord]

ahh wonder if they’re just printing out labels pre-emptively

[flat vapor]

That's my guess as well, just for reference I ordered the Blue 16G, no expansion card.

[lean fjord]

same, i got a black rk2023 thats a fingerprint magnet

[hybrid flame]

so tempted to just order this lol

[flat vapor]

I was holding off ordering the 10Max3, and wanted to do the "don't talk to me or my son" thing so I ordered them both.

[forest kite]

Same - can’t quite decide between black or blue though

My main concern is that my max 3 also integer scales a lot of the same stuff well, though obviously with large pillarboxing

Well, until you get into portrait arcade cabs

Then the max 3 screen is not good

[hybrid flame]

how often do you play portrait arcade tho?

[forest kite]

I actually play a lot of pac man

👴

[hybrid flame]

fair enough lol

[native vault]

GameCube and PS2 Emulation. 🤣

[native vault]

Can you take a picture of PSP and DS Emulation on this thing?

[native vault]

Honestly I was thinking of making Android games on my devices.

[brisk marsh]

not sure exactly what "grimey" means.. Like darker? Or blurry?

[blazing dove]

it's just really easy to tell that the pixels aren't balanced on gba for some reason

[forest kite]

The lines between pixels aren’t sharp, a lot of “in between” pixels

I think it’s just because the GBA is low res and colourful

NES also looks really bad to me unless you either integer scale or filter it

While snes seems “busy” enough that I don’t mind just stretch to fit and call it a day, even on 640x480 screens

No clue how I’m gonna prefer snes on this yet - probably either 8:7 and filter or crop 8 pixels off each side and integer (making it basically 16:15)

[forest kite]

@polar flax if you get a chance I’d love it if you could pester powkiddy about selling screen protectors for the RGB30

[lavish lagoon]

I don't know if I want it now as it has no touch

[forest kite]

You a big scummVM fan?

[polar flax]

DS Emulation was fine. I played castlevania. Psp looks as you'd think it would. Probably keep your x55 for psp

[polar flax]

no idea. it's an odd size too. they would have to be custom

[forest kite]

psp shouldn't be any smaller on this than it is on my 353VS and with a nicer res.

However it's tiny on my VS and the 3566 is just 'ok' for psp (it certainly isn't gonna run the whole library) so I think I'll stick to my max 3 there

[polar flax]

it does fit in the rk2023 bag i've been using

just a hard drive slip

psp "feels" small because of the top and bottom bars

but most other systems feel fine

there's a ton of screen realestate

ill try to get some shots of it while im out today

[polar flax]

Also it's great for pico 8

[white marsh]

Ooooh

[foggy stratus]

crap.. now i probably have to get this as well..

I'm unintentionally turning in to a collector.

[craggy jetty]

Collect consoles tv bois

[brisk marsh]

I see, thx. I thought I am settled with the rk23 but now I will notice it so much, and I am again considering buying yet another handheld dammit.. 😑 Though I git the rk for like 62$ and this is 90 (for basically just a different display)..

[brisk marsh]

Great, so what happened now is that I compared my handhelds with NDS lite on gba scaling and now I don't like them 😂 Except for trimui smart which looks surprisingly great even with 320x240.. but is only 2,4". So.. 🤬 Am I back at start with looking for a perfect handheld for a price that will not repel me from throwing it in my backpack all the time 🫤

[polar flax]

Gb and gbc look as amazing as you'd think they would

[pallid scarab]

should we get white? no fingerprints?

[idle sonnet]

Damn

Sexi

[timber niche]

Pretty dang visible with all that ambient light. Guessing direct sunlight is a different story?

[white marsh]

Looking good! Can we get a pic of a DS game?

[hybrid flame]

Oh white is looking good

I dont have a white handheld yet

[hybrid flame]

X55 does gba pretty well, even if not integer

I got mine for 75 in a sale

[blazing dove]

i'm deffo getting white, my childhood gba was white and i've never had another white handheld

[forest kite]

I’m worried it’ll get stained

Maybe unfounded

[blazing dove]

it might a bit, but i'm not too concerned

[brisk marsh]

hmmm 🤔😀 Hang on, I discovered shaders 😂 I'm playing with those for past 3 hours and some can actually make it look pretty close to a gba/nds screen even without integer scaling, so maybe I am saved 😀

The crt shader is especially fun to watch 🤓

[hybrid flame]

Shaders are fun!

[pallid scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

I want this

[brisk marsh]

Yeah but give me posibility to fiddle with options and I am capable of spending more hours playing with those than playing the actual game 😂

[hybrid flame]

I see no problem with that tho, if you are having fun

[brisk marsh]

I am, but they aren't at work 😂

Are shaders something that actually messes with the resolution/scaling? I.e. if rgb30 has good integer scaled image and I apply shader (like the "dot" or "scanlines" that add black lines to simulate pixelation) does it destroy the integer scaling aspect/visuals?

[forest kite]

depends on the shader/overlay

some just apply grid/scan lines on top of what is already rendered and will actually look much worse without integer scaling as a result

others like some CRT shaders actually try to mimic curved glass and therefore do move some pixels around

[hybrid flame]

Yeah, higher resolution is good for shaders

[forest kite]

I guess technically the grid lines and scan lines I use are overlays not shaders at all

which also makes them cheap computationally

and they want integer scaling at least for GB/GBC

[brisk marsh]

Sure 3x grid on 2,6x scaled image is an utter garbage, and is not isomorphic at all. But "dot" or "lcd" shaders are ok even on 2,6. But in theory that 3x integer scaled image should still be better base, even with these overlays if I understand what you are saying...

[native vault]

@polar flax It's beautiful! 🥺

[native vault]

Besides the lack of a Touchscreen and Squareness of device. 😁

[leaden perch]

The question is this or analogue pocket.

[white marsh]

Well, for $135 less I went rgb30

[leaden perch]

FPGA is so good

[brisk marsh]

I don't know why I was thinking of rgb10max2, but 75 for x55 is almost a steal 😮!

[hybrid flame]

I was not even going to get it but at that price I said fuck it lol

[gentle depot]

I'm waiting for the 11.11 sale for the next Powkiddy device

[white marsh]

I'm hoping I wont need more devices until then... but that GKD Pixel is looking hot.

I feel like the T618 doesn't do what I want, so I'm hopefully safe until a good 3588 handheld hits

[gentle depot]

As long as the 3588 handhelds aren't more expensive than an Odin2 of course

[white marsh]

yeah for sure

[brisk marsh]

Hh "I won't need more devices". How many times did I hear that in my head 😂

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[brisk marsh]

is this date for sure? God can I wait that long for rgb30 🤔

[white marsh]

oh at least a dozen times...

[leaden perch]

best thing to do is just delete the internet. then you can never see these again

[gentle depot]

Well it's just there's usually a sale around that time of year

[reef wind]

yeah its a big shopping day in china. aliexpress always has big promotions around that time

[brisk marsh]

oh nice then, challenge accepted!

[brisk marsh]

you know, 15 years ago I'd kill for having just one of these. Any. Even V90. And I would be so content and just play the 💩 out of it... Nowadays? Neverending chase for the best one. My hands would sooner fall off than finding one and be content.. 😳

Hh still talking about handhelds and not my future wives

[leaden perch]

I am content will all my handhelds. Like them all for different reasons. I like this hobby a lot and keeps me out of trouble.

[brisk marsh]

that's good to hear and good way to stay out of trouble! What do you have in your collection?

[leaden perch]

I have over 60 devices. No X86 stuff.

[brisk marsh]

wow okay, that's big, do you ever take them all out for a picture? That could be interesting to see. You must have also some older rare pieces then...

[leaden perch]

I don't have a big enough space for that.

I done some pics of all my clamshells or all my purple devices.

[lilac nacelle]

the rk2023 sure is tempting in comparison to this, but i'd rather my step up from the rk3326 be the Toshiba Kermit in the PS Vita. weirdly powerful for a 4c/8t 500mhz arm soc.

[forest kite]

I don't know why you'd pick the 2023 over this personally

[lilac nacelle]

color, shape, aspect ratio, price for pound

its 65usd and under on aliexpress

[forest kite]

one of the RGB30 colour options is literally identical to the the 2023 wifi, and then another is identical to the white 2023 non-wifi. The aspect ratio gives you just as much area at a higher res for 4:3 content while also being better for anything taller

[white marsh]

I think there is a lot of perception that somehow this 4" 1:1 screen will display 4:3/16:9 content smaller than the 3.5" screens.

Kinda makes me think of the A&W 1/3 lb hamburger failing because people thought it was smaller than the 1/4 lb burgers.

[lilac nacelle]

it's weird for sure

[lean fjord]

welp i think i just got a deal on an analogue pocket and am gonna need to cancel my order for this

[lilac nacelle]

my main spiel for an rk3566 would be dreamcast and alternate AR psp, which is best in 4:3

[forest kite]

you can do the same PSP trick on the RGB30 with higher res and the same visible display area

there are zero scenarios where 3.5" 4:3 gets you more display than 1:1 4"

[hollow rover]

I went rk for these reasons. We'll see how I feel. Just couldn't find a good reason for the rgb30. Still very tempting

[hollow rover]

Congrats - which color?

[lean fjord]

White! Looking for something with close to perfect ratio and I was going to settle on this RGB30 until the AP went up for sale on another server.

[hollow rover]

Best color. Enjoy. It definitely is the best way to play gb if you can get one

[lilac nacelle]

last rk3566 i had(rg353vs), i liked everything -but- the analog position. this one actually looks useable. I managed to get even motorstorm and GoW games running at full speed with hacks

[polar flax]

PSP is about the size of a PSPgo effectively

[lavish lagoon]

psp seems not too bad?

[brisk marsh]

Reasons why I think will sell my rk and go for this instead. The only "disadvantage" might be a slightly taller body, and maybe price (depends on coupons), but nothing major, otherwise this looks really good (and runs the same jelos as rk). Hope reviews won't reveal something hidden...

[idle sonnet]

How is the battery life?

[pure vigil]

Would love to see a vertical handheld with this display

[keen folio]

405v should have the same screen, no?

[pure vigil]

I think it's 4:3

[keen folio]

true!

[forest kite]

This has a 4100mAh compared to the rg353VS at 3200, though the different screen could change draw

[idle sonnet]

I will say that the LCD on the RPP is a bit dim, this looks much brighter

But there's something nice about playing snes on this

[hollow rover]

Rk2023 hopefully coming this week and will be watching for reviews of this one. That white one looks great

[spare hatch]

PSP will display at 3.8" on the RGB30? That's good enough actually.

[timber niche]

3.25” if we’re talking 16:9

[forest kite]

yeah it'll be half an inch smaller than a PSP go

it'll be roughly the same size PSP is on a 3.5" 640x480, just higher res

@lilac nacelle has played a bit with some custom aspect ratio stuff which I think does properly adjust the camera for 3d stuff and stretches UI rather than just stretching the whole picture

I don't think I really understand how to do it or how it works

I've just been using my max 3 for PSP since that's already 16:9

(and more powerful than a 3566)

[white marsh]

I still wanna see a DS game on one, haha.

[forest kite]

yeah I hope how to set it up best on this screen is covered in a review

[brisk marsh]

So. did you touch it to start? 😂

[loud gale]

Time to expand the Pico8 library.

[gentle depot]

🤤

Pico-8 handheld

[pallid scarab]

@loud gale you think white is the way to go?

[pure vigil]

The white looks good. How are the ergonomics and build quality?

[lavish lagoon]

just expanded my pico-8 library last weekend because of this machine

[loud gale]

White looks pretty nice. No fingerprints. Black and blue do show fingerprints. I think egonomics are good. Exactly same feel as an Anbernic horizontal model or powkiddy max3. Build quality seems great too. Powkiddy is always gonna be below anbernic for "premium feel". Thin plastic. Cheap analogue sticks. But screen looks great and huge, and buttons feel nice. I love it, actually.

[noble helm]

Thanks for sharing the DS images. Looks great!

[brisk marsh]

how is this display ratio handled on hdmi out? I mean when playing 4:3 or 16:9 games, do you get a big black bars all around on the monitor because it is mirroring the square display? Or does it adjust (like 4:3 full monitor height)

[forest kite]

JELOS team is just receiving dev units now so what it does right now and what it is able to do next week may or may not be different depending on how the hardware implementation works

[gentle depot]

That screen Looks so nice 👀

[white marsh]

I can't wait!

[white marsh]

I hope they add an option to scoot the image to the top of the screen. Move the black bar entirely to the bottom.

[forest kite]

I just need a screen protector to be available for this

[white marsh]

I'll probably just use a film. This isn't going in my pocket any time soon.

[forest axle]

I'd be interested to see NES/SNES with some cropping applied, slightly smaller black bars without getting too crazy and stretching it vertically (which I kinda want to see too 😂)

[brisk marsh]

ok, good to know, thx for the update

[hybrid flame]

Those pics look great

[forest kite]

Part of why I’d be getting this is to be a more pocketable 3566 than my 353vs so I’d be screen protector-ing and pocketing day one

[white marsh]

ah yeah, i don't pocket anything bigger than a 35XX

[forest kite]

Honestly the shoulder shelf on the anbernic verticals bothers me in my pocket

So right now I pocket the MM+ despite it being kinda weaksauce

The max 3 is actually surprisingly pocketable despite its big footprint because it’s thin and flat so I expect even better from this

[forest kite]

Don’t get me wrong I love onionOS but the MM SoC is not stronk

[hybrid flame]

Anbernic has to hurry up so I can buy this already

[forest kite]

this is where I'm at, just waiting for anbernic to ask $160 for the 405v so I can safely write that one off and buy this instead

[hybrid flame]

yeah lol

I should probally just go for this and get the 405v on a sale regardless of price

but what if 405v is the best handheld ever or something

(it wont be)

[forest kite]

if only it were stick top on left it would be the best n64 one

[loud gale]

Requested size comparison. It's the exact same size as a DMG.

[forest kite]

nice, just a lot thinner

huh

the analogue pocket is also basically DMG sized but thinner

[loud gale]

Yup. I ordered the Analogue the day before the RGB30 was announced. haha.

[forest kite]

weird to think analogue pocket and rgb30 are almost the exact same dimensions

this is a bit smaller

analogue is 149x86x22

145x86.5x18.5 is the RGB30

so half a mm larger in one dimension but 4 and 3.5 smaller in the other two

[loud gale]

Game Boy isn't as perfect of a fit as I hoped on the RGB30. There's still black borders (now on the top and bottom instead of sides like usual). But it does look huge. Pico 8 is for sure the best for this. If you buy it for only Pico 8, it's worth it.

[forest kite]

yeah, 10:9 vs 1:1

and then if you integer you'll actually get a bit of border all around

I mean still massive in either case vs either a 3.5" 640x480 or OG hardware

technically the integer scaled one is 0.1" smaller than the analogue pocket screen

so the analogue does do GB/GBC slightly better

I don't think I could live without fast forward though

[white marsh]

just messing around... you could probably make a vertical one without going bigger, but I'm not sure it would be comfortable, and the sticks would get really close to the buttons

[forest kite]

I guess you'd want to switch out the stereo front firing speakers for either stereo bottom firing (like the 405v) or a mono one right in that blank spot in the centre of all the controls

[white marsh]

it's probably better as a horizontal device

[forest kite]

however I think that large of a footprint + shoulder buttons being in the middle of the device would make it less pocketable

no way to keep it that thin

[loud gale]

already considered

[white marsh]

yeah, the RPP is probably better if you want vertical (and no sticks!)

if that comes back out again and doesn't suck

[forest kite]

what if they did a vertical version with no sticks but 6 face buttons

and no shoulders

probably too niche

the average sega nostalgia enjoyer probably isn't looking for a gameboy shaped device

[leaden perch]

I would love if it looked like that

[forest kite]

shoulder buttons always seem to be the gotcha with verticals

the MM+ is the best vertical on that front imo

[hybrid flame]

https://www.youtube.com/live/bd7YCPTrxZQ?si=FW1VJduOGpVMcDB-

Its in portuguese but you can see it running

DS plays great as long as no touch

[leaden perch]

like most handhelds

[hybrid flame]

I mean, the screen part

[leaden perch]

DS hurts my eyes on this.

[leaden perch]

I posted picks of DS on top of each other on other handhelds with touch. Turn it to the side and looks the same. Horrible

[pallid scarab]

love that youtuber happy grimace

[hybrid flame]

He tried some streched as hell psp but there were some controller issues

[hybrid flame]

Every single thumbnail is like that

[white marsh]

Well this looks awesome

[leaden perch]

I am on the other side of the fence for this.

[proud idol]

Im happy to finally have a handheld that is pretty much perfect for pico 8 plus some ngpc and gb/gbc

[lilac nacelle]

the emulator has a bindable mouse/click function in the config

[forest kite]

honestly joystick mouse is gonna be fine for most of the DS games I care about

which to be fair is like 3 games

[upbeat owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4k6f8fgbY

[pure vigil]

The more I see it the more I want it. I hope we see more handhelds with that screen

[white marsh]

Agreed, the screen is the selling point. If JelOS lets you align the image to the top that will help the 4:3 and 16:9 games too.

[forest kite]

I’m sure they’d accept that PR if somebody wants it and can figure it out (either one of their regular devs or someone else). I suspect the proper solution would be for the emulators to add that feature rather than the OS though

Would be a good request for retroarch maybe

You’d need a utility like gamescope to take what RA is putting out and move it I think rather than give RA access to full screen and leave it up to RA what goes where

[timber granite]

Man, he just has the absolute best lighting. I'd love to see his setup.

[vapid imp]

"It's nice to see that AI is trying to adapt"

Made me chuckle

All in all, definitely not for me, but I weirdly really want this handheld to do well

Also not showing PSP all stretched out on 1:1 is a missed opportunity for the review

[forest kite]

I actually just asked on the libretro discord whether this is already possible in the maze of RA configs

If so that wouldn’t fix ppsspp alignment to what you’d like but it would be great for gba

[white marsh]

Yeah I feel like the only downside of the 4" tall screen is forcing the image downward in relation to my hands. Floating them at the top would be awesome.

[forest kite]

Yeah that’s a really good idea that I will be investigating

[white marsh]

Makes sense that it would be a RA thing

[forest kite]

Because that would make this awesome for GBA

I probably wouldn’t play psp on this regardless tbh

[white marsh]

I don't play PSP anyhow, but plenty of people do on a 4:3 3.5" screen

[forest kite]

If it were my only handheld I would. I played a couple psp games on my 353vs before I got the max 3

[white marsh]

Yeah, it's no worse than on those devices, but 4:3 isn't ideal for PSP anyhow.

[pure vigil]

I would only play lumines on such a small screen. Still my favorite puzzle game

[forest kite]

With higher res this would be slightly better for psp than the 3.5” 640x480 especially if it can be top aligned to hide the black bars

Big still significantly smaller than a psp go even display area wise

[white marsh]

I still want a PSP Go

But I don't see why I wouldn't use this for all my 4:3 content and obviously other non 16:9 stuff

[forest kite]

I want a pocketable widescreen handheld with like a 4” screen at some point

All the tiny handhelds are 4:3

Something with a psp go sized screen that emulates psp well without any protruding sticks (either recessed or sliders are fine) or stacked triggers

[pallid scarab]

is the black one a fingerprint magnet?

[forest kite]

I think this is possible via a custom aspect ratio in retroarch, I will investigate

[pallid scarab]

interesting

[forest kite]

I’m torn between black or blue

It’s the same blue as my max 3

[white marsh]

oh man, please do

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/black-black-is-such-a-happy-color-addams-family-gif-9549459

[maiden slate]

Honestly, I was fully set on the white one

And I still like it more visually

But the black one looks less cheap, somehow

[pure vigil]

Full black makes everthing look fancy

[maiden slate]

Once I become rich, I'll start a charity to fund therapy for these people

[forest kite]

I was initially sold on the blue to match my max 3 but now that I'm looking at the 1:1 screen and the black bars you're gonna have on most systems (part of it being so flexible) the black bars will disappear more on the all black device

[maiden slate]

We talked about it before so I'll just offer this up as a perspective for others, but I think that the contrast surprisingly makes black bars less of an issue on white devices

That said, when Taki showed the sides and bottom of the white model, the plastic looked... icky. I think the black one hides this better.

[forest kite]

that's fair - you have the black bezel around the screen anyway

so your black bars kinda disappear into the bezel

[maiden slate]

Yeah

Man, I'm surprisingly excited for this one

I probably won't buy it as I'm saving for a 405M

And I prefer my 35xx for Gameboy due to the look and form factor

[forest kite]

I'm currently considering this and the 405v

[maiden slate]

Buuuuut this is tempting if I ever get into NGPC, GameGear and vertical Arcade games

[forest kite]

I just love the GBC library

so this is basically a budget analogue pocket lol

[maiden slate]

You like your vertical handhelds haha

[forest kite]

I do love verticals

I think it's because I multitask a lot

and they feel good in the hand when you hold them one handed

[maiden slate]

Yeah that's fair, GB and GBC have a fantastic library of games

[maiden slate]

Imagine a 40xx with the same chipset as 35xx (so it can run FinUI) BUT WITH THIS SCREEN

I'd buy that in a heartbeat

[forest axle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wwe-oh-yes-yeah-gif-7549364

[forest kite]

I'm concerned that a vertical with this screen would be very hard to keep pocketable due to shoulder buttons

like this thing's footprint is pretty big but it'll be pocketable anyway because it's flat

[forest axle]

looks so good

[maiden slate]

The 3566 doesn't really play anything that 35xx can't, so the better chip is kinda wasted here and I just love FinUI so much, by far the best handheld OS

[maiden slate]

Hmmm that's a fair point

[forest axle]

I wouldn't mind sacrificing L2/R2 and going with the shelf design the Analogue Pocket has, not the most comfortable but the screen leans more towards games without shoulder buttons anyway

[maiden slate]

But I can't imagine playing GB games on a horizontal device, looks wrong haha

[forest kite]

I like the 3566 for ports and way better fast forward than the cheaper SoCs

[forest axle]

but at the same time, I think a vertical with this screen would almost be about the size of a RG405V anyway so pocketability out the window anyway

[maiden slate]

Fair enough. I just want MinUI

[forest kite]

and it can play a fair few easier n64/dc/psp games that you can't on the 35xx

at least not on minUI

[maiden slate]

Yeahhhh the N64 cores you have to use are really inaccurate sadly, and after seeing the difference this made when I was playing OoT (I switched from a less accurate emulator to a more accurate one mid playthrough) I can't go back

And PSP is a no-go on this screen anyway

So that leaves DC

Anyway

Really excited for this device and this screen

[forest kite]

same

I need a screen protector solution though

hoping to not have to use a flexible tpu thing

[maiden slate]

If nothing better comes out before I buy my 405M and Series X, I'll definitely consider this one

[white marsh]

Yeah, I love GB/GBC games, and there are some great NGPC titles. I also enjoy vertical shumps, but they're so small on a typical 3.5" 4:3 screen. I like DS as well, so this will be convenient for some of those on the go without having to carry a second device.

[forest axle]

🥵

[forest kite]

pico-8 is so cool

[white marsh]

that too

this is going to be so hot for pico-8

[maiden slate]

I used to work at a store with a machine for cutting out foil screen protectors

These were glorious. Protected from drops better than a glass/plastic protector ever could and felt more seamless with the device.

[maiden slate]

Yeah Pico-8 looks FANTASTIC here

[forest kite]

hdmi works with widescreen monitors just fine

that's cool

[hybrid flame]

Almost getting this just for pico 8

[forest kite]

pico-8, gbc, and 'cropped' nes for me

[hybrid flame]

Maybe this would make me explore de GB and GBC libraries too

[idle sonnet]

OK that Taki video makes me want to buy this. I've been playing on the RPP 720x720 screen, with SMW, it looks great with integer overscale.

That 4 inch screen looks great.

Going for white

Ordered, with $5 off using the powkiddy code

what snes looks like on 720x720

[forest kite]

integer overscale NES is definitely the way, I am on the fence for SNES vs 8:7 and filter

I'll probably do it that way on this screen but I dunno if I'm sold on that being better than doing 4:3 on a 4:3 screen

[idle sonnet]

YMMV dependent on the game. It reminds me of CRT overscan playing like this. I like the sharp scaling, and that 4" screen actually looks massive considering the aspect ratio difference.

https://youtu.be/IgyO86c7Hr4?t=84

Not a million miles away tbh

[maiden slate]

Almost want to buy this just for NGPC games

Issue: I don't know if I actually like these games

[forest kite]

it has metal slug don't it?

you can never go wrong with metal slug

[maiden slate]

Solution: playing that game library out on one of the devices so that if I play those games and really like them, I already have completed them and have no need for this device

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[maiden slate]

Tbh I only played MS2, but found the density of bullshit per square metre a bit too much for my taste

[forest kite]

well, the NGPC can't put that much shit on screen at once so you're probably fine then

[forest kite]

god can't wait to play bionic commando on 720x720 lol

[loud gale]

Ive seen black, blue, and white in person. White looks best. Black looks worst of the three, but they all look very good.

[maiden slate]

damn, really? does white look better than in the video or does black look worse lol

[forest kite]

interesting that nara and taki have completely opposite opinions on the colours lol

[loud gale]

The difference in "quality" isnt very big. They all look equally good. But to me, zero fingerprints looks pretty great on white. And im gonna put stickers all over the back anyways. Im talking to powkiddy about a custom model.

[forest kite]

Atari woodgrain 🥺 ?

[white marsh]

sounds like it ships September 1st?

[loud gale]

Two highly opinionated reviewers that tend to draw a lot of criticism from their followers. Ha

[forest kite]

I think I might go with the devil I know (max 3 blue)

[maiden slate]

not to be rude but idk who you are nara, mind dropping your channel/website?

[loud gale]

A fine choice

[maiden slate]

so I can familirarise with your takes 😄

[loud gale]

Retrododo.com, youtube.com/naramakesgames

[maiden slate]

yeesh, do the black/blue pick up fingerprints? would be an absolute no no for me

[loud gale]

Yes

Not unbearably so. But noticeable

[maiden slate]

appreciate it! didn't know you write for retro dodo haha

[loud gale]

Yeah. Ask @forest kite hahaha ❤️😉

Some "friendly" debates

Reposting. Cause look how sweet that looks. My favorite handheld of 2023 probably.

Going niche is the future, i believe.

[maiden slate]

Niche is good.

Trying to please everyone is bad.

Look at retroid trying to make controls that feel both "classic" and "modern" at the same time and ending up in the most unusable dogshit controls ever

[forest kite]

@white marsh

[white marsh]

Ooooh, you got it to float at the top? That's going to be great on this device.

[forest kite]

Settings, video, scaling, set aspect ratio to custom and you can define exactly where you want the image to begin on the screen and how many pixels wide/tall you want it to be

[white marsh]

excellent

now we just need over-under configuration for DS, lol

[maiden slate]

I think it already has that built in

[forest kite]

I think he wants unequal screen size between the two

[white marsh]

i feel like most games emphasize one screen or the other, don't really need them to be equal most of the time

[maiden slate]

I'm telling you brother, white and black is the most classy combo and I'm glad they finally did it well

(RK2023 was so close but so far )

[maiden slate]

Ah, got it

Tbh I'd never play DS on a single screen device so I don't know much about how emulation works there haha

[white marsh]

i have plenty of DS systems, but it's nice to have access to some of the games without having to carry two devices, plus the extra bonuses that come with emulating

[maiden slate]

Nah I getcha

I'm not saying it's bad to emulate them or anything, just not for me

[white marsh]

sure, it also leverages the taller screen well, so I just wanna do it because I can, haha

[forest kite]

screen I think will still be a little small for NDS

ds lite had a pair of screens that were 1.8" tall each

this is 2.83" tall

to hit the size of native hardware with stacked screens ideally you'd have just shy of 4.5" 2:3

or a 5" 9:16

[reef wind]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005991260029.html / https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005991744664.html
it's up on ali now if anyone was waiting. same price as the official site

[white marsh]

i think it's $5 off on the powkiddy site using the "powkiddy" coupon, but it's also $3 off on Aliexpress

[forest kite]

For me it works out to about 10 CAD more via ali than direct in Canada after everything is included

Im hoping powkiddy sells a screen protector for this soon though so I’m kinda procrastinating on ordering

[reef wind]

i'm actually getting a 403 forbidden error on powkiddy.com rn

nvm it's working again

[gentle depot]

The forbidden Anbernic handheld (403)

[forest kite]

Would

[gentle depot]

Tbh I would too

[hybrid flame]

would 3

40xx too

[maiden slate]

yo

[forest kite]

40xx would actually be sick

[maiden slate]

won't this actually be better than a 4:3 screen for NES and SNES?

[forest kite]

Yes

[maiden slate]

8:7 is closer to 1:1 than it is to 4:3 right

[forest kite]

So NES I would just crop 8 pixels off each side and have 1:1 720x720

SNES I may also crop 8 pixels off and get 720x672 16:15

But 8:7 and filter I’m sure will also look good

[maiden slate]

well for integer scaling, the 405M remains superior

[lean fjord]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/pkjuvg/best_screen_resolution_for_retro_gaming/

FYI

Has a spreadsheet where you type in the resolution and shows you percentage to original

[forest kite]

Unless you crop off 8 pixels each side

And render snes as 240x224

A little bit of the ol crt overscan

[maiden slate]

but for non-integer scaled this is bigger AND has letterboxing instead of pillarboxing (which is superior)

[maiden slate]

but why

[forest kite]

To let you make the screen huge and integer scaled

On NES I crop like that anyway because the margins are usually glitchy garbage that was expected to be covered by the margins of your CRT

[maiden slate]

this is what I'm doing rn on my 35xx so

[maiden slate]

ohhh right

well I'll be damned

[forest kite]

Yeah that’s my plan for snes on this

Might not be ideal for every game

But I have other 4:3 handhelds for those

Or can just do 8:7 stretch with a crt filter

[maiden slate]

this device does look pretty sick

please remind me I'm saving for a 405M, thanks!

[white marsh]

haha, this talked me out of ever getting a t618

[forest kite]

I feel like I should have a t618 with how many damn t618 handhelds are out there, if only so I can play some android native stuff

Maybe somebody will get the android version of Minecraft working in portmaster lol

But none of the t618 handhelds really meet my usual checklist

The 405m is closest but I don’t want to pay for metal

The max 3 for all its flaws (which to be fair that list is shortening every week lmao) has definitely made it easier to keep unisoc the hell out of my house

But if the miyoo p60 ever came out a little pocketable android 5:3 widescreen would be pretty tempting tbh

[white marsh]

i may still break down and get one some day (405v in black might have done it), but i don't play enough GC/n64 to feel the strong need, and the PS2 games I'd like to play, don't seem to run on it

[forest kite]

For me I’d be buying it for travelling due to insane battery life with gammaOS on lower end systems and for N64/DC at home

But N64 has like 10 good games and I’ve never dug in to DC

So not a strong need (and I can play those systems on the max 3)

[white marsh]

we still haven't seen a price on any 3588 chip devices?

[forest kite]

In fact the max 3 5” 854x480 is basically the same as the 4” 640x480 for 4:3 content

[forest kite]

I think an early leak/rumour for the orangepi one was about $230 usd equivalent

But I think orangepi denied that leak being real so who knows

I also don’t love the Nintendo switch form factor of the orangepi one

Gameforce one looks a bit more appealing and who knows what the price is there

Powkiddy is supposed to be making one eventually but who knows when. The one thing I’d bet on from powkiddy is that it’s going to be the cheaper option compared to the other two.

If they managed to fit a 3588s in the max 3 shell as a max 4 I’d be in heaven tbh

[white marsh]

Yeah, a 3588 coming in at the low 200s might be a perfect balance. Odin 2 sounds good, but IIRC you want the mid-tier model for PS2+? That's $369.

[forest kite]

The base model should be fine for ps2

I think you’ll just want the extra ram for switch and android native stuff

[white marsh]

ahh

so that's still $299

[forest kite]

Yeah, I think there’s room for a $199 3588s from powkiddy 🤞

It might even have wifi

[thorny trail]

Recently sold off my RG353V to a buddy, since I love my GB/GBC games this looks like a sweet replacement!

[forest kite]

353VS is exactly what I want to replace with this

[white marsh]

My 35XX basically replaced my 353p... but I'd love a bigger screen for playing gameboy games at home

and shumps

[empty bone]

I use an android app that is best displayed in 1:1 so I’m sorely tempted

[forest kite]

What app? This doesn’t run android so if there’s no way to run it on arm Linux you’re probably SoL

[empty bone]

It’s actually a linux app so that should be fine

It’s a display app for a piece of music equipment I use

[forest kite]

What app?

I do a bit of the beep boops as a hobby so if you get something fun running on the RGB30 I might want in on that 😉

[empty bone]

It’s the display for the M8 headless tracker

M8c or RM8 or web display run through chrome

[forest kite]

Oh cool, m8c in jelos on rockchip stuff is actually something I’ve been considering

Just have to buy the teensy

[empty bone]

I use my android right now

Yeah it’s awesome

[forest kite]

I didn’t realize it was 1:1

[empty bone]

Yeah the hardware is iirc

[forest kite]

I was gonna use a 353vs but this would be even better

[empty bone]

Imma huge fan: https://youtu.be/bpS-TgMYcLs

[balmy dome]

I keep looking at this but unlike the Max 3 Pro, without a touchscreen its going to be a pass for me.

[forest kite]

I really don’t think this would be amazing for NDS even with a touchscreen tbh

2:3 is what you want and at least 4.5”

For portrait NDS

[maiden slate]

Haha, why?

[maiden slate]

Join us

https://tenor.com/view/savage-messiah-joff-bailey-heavy-metal-metal-horns-raise-your-horns-gif-15992954

The 5th generation has some of my favourite games. Granted, most of them are on PS1 which I could play on my 35xx or the RGB30, but some of them work waaay better with an analogue stick, so the 405m's layout speaks to me.

On PS1:
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider 2

On N64:
Mario 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Zelda: Majora's Mask, Mario Kart 64, Castlevania 64, Donkey Kong 64, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, Wave Race 64, F-Zero X

On Dreamcast:
Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Crazy Taxi, SoulCalibur

On Saturn:
Sonic 3D Blast (much better than the MD version), Panzer Dragoon, Astal

Just off the top of my head, some games which make me want a T618 haha

[pallid scarab]

Chinese pricing was just released

[hybrid flame]

so?

wait on what?

[pallid scarab]

76 USD no sd cards

87 USD 16+256 black only first 100

rest of the pricing is similar to international with an extra sd card thrown in

I was hoping they could get this down to RG353VS pricing

first 100 offer sold out already

[maiden slate]

$75 would be absolutely nuts for this, the sweet spot

At $90 it's a bit of a harder sell imho

[forest kite]

keep in mind for NA and with the powkiddy coupon it's $85 including shipping

which is definitely as cheap or cheaper than $75 plus shipping from china

[maiden slate]

Oh yeah I'm always talking through the lens of europe haha

It's $105 for us from the Powkiddy website (after coupon)

[forest kite]

yeah that's a bit rough

[pallid scarab]

I’m gonna wait for white no cards at 76

I’m not in a rush to get this

[maiden slate]

Same

[forest kite]

Why don't they sell no cards internationally 😦

I would happily just run this with a single 64gb name brand card

[pallid scarab]

with card is noob friendly

[pallid scarab]

yes, wish jelos supported exfat

[maiden slate]

When it goes down to $75 it will be $92 for us Europeans, which is what I think this device is worth haha

[pallid scarab]

(on the os drive)

like arkos

[maiden slate]

I wish Powkiddy would just let us gamble on tax like some Chinese audio stores do

I'll wait until geekbuying stocks the RGB30

Although most of their good deals are for Anbernic and Miyoo stuff, Powkiddy usually costs the same or more than the official store

[forest kite]

I'm hoping they sell a screen protector soon

[pallid scarab]

sadly not included

[forest kite]

yeah it's usually separate with powkiddy

[pallid scarab]

there’s no accessories on their official taobao store

[forest kite]

yeah, I messaged them about it

they said they don't have one yet but will

[pallid scarab]

the people who got them here, are they reviewunits?

they didn’t preorder right?

[forest kite]

I think so far it's all dev/review units

[pallid scarab]

ok cool, their initial run is done then

they sold 100 in china in about 2-3 hours

but it was just black

and 16+256

I’m waiting for the no card version later

[maiden slate]

paying for these chinese sd cards is such a meme

like bro I pay not to use them

[hollow rover]

Do any of their devices come with screen protectors? I don't see any on their site

[gilded fog]

I was able to buy a white no card one earlier today no issue and I'm not in China

Code lovepowkiddy worked for $5 off so it was $85 free shipping, that's pretty reasonable I think

[pallid scarab]

powkiddy.com ?

[gilded fog]

Yarp

[white marsh]

It's just in a perfectly bad spot for me. I didn't play much GameCube and never had a PSP, Saturn or Dreamcast. I played a few later PS2 games, but none seem to be supported by t618. It sits perfectly in a dead spot of nostalgia for me. I'd like to play PS2 but need to get a system that can play all of them. Maybe if the 3588 devices come out being expensive I may get a t618.

[maiden slate]

Ah, got it.

For me, it's pretty much a must have because I love love LOVE the N64 (and want to emulate Dreamcast just for the 2 Sonic Adventure games) and right now there's nothing cheaper than a T618 that can do a good job with these systems

I'd love to pay $250 for something that does PS2 and GameCube instead, but that doesn't seem to exist yet

[white marsh]

Yeah that's what I'm waiting for, I hope the 3588 devices fill that gap, ideally closer to 200 than 250.

[balmy dome]

The RGB10 Max 3 Pro will do all N64/DC.

The Retroid Pocket 2S will also probably work fine for N64/DC.

[maiden slate]

Hmmmm right forgot about that one.

I'm strongly considering that one, ngl, especially since Linux >>>>>>>> Android for handhelds

[balmy dome]

So; it's ALMOST great. They have fixed all the big bugs, the only problem I have right now is that it doesn not have Sleep mode, but they will fix this as well I am sure.

I use mine for PSP

But when I want a change, I load up DC or N64 game and work great

[maiden slate]

But everything I want to play on it is stick based and 4:3, so I might pay a bit more and get the RG405M still

[balmy dome]

The 405M is a sick device.

I enjoy mine surely

but the RGB10 Max 3 was a much better value

[maiden slate]

Yeah, that one I'm not considering at all. Screen is too small and I hate Retroid's d-pad.

[forest kite]

No wifi is the other big caveat for the max 3 (and obviously one that will not get fixed with firmware)

[maiden slate]

Oh right

[balmy dome]

Yeah, however, you can also use a dongle or etc for updating

I use a USB hub that has ethernet built in when I want to update.

[maiden slate]

Yeah, I'm in Europe so for me the difference isn't that big. $150 for the Max3, $180 for 405M

[balmy dome]

Lack of BT audio sucks though.

[balmy dome]

Ah; go for the 405M all the way then

[forest kite]

Personally given the max 3 is absurdly cheap (for North Americans) compared to any t618 or equivalent device other than the rp2s (which has basically a MM+ screen on a much larger device as its “gotcha”) makes me pretty happy with it

But yeah if I were in Europe I’d go 405m at those prices

[maiden slate]

Yeah that's fair, if the difference was $70 instead of $30 for me I'd also not think twice

[balmy dome]

Yeah I think was $70-80 diff for me as well.

[maiden slate]

I could live without WiFi and BT, but metal shell, 4:3 screen and stick on top are pretty good sell for $30

But that's in the future haha

[forest kite]

Though to be fair if you can live with some black bars the max 3 screen is the exact same res and basically the same display area as the 405m for 4:3 content

[maiden slate]

For now, I have 35xx, PSP and Switch, so there's pleeeeenty of games for me to play already

[forest kite]

While being much better for GBA and PSP

[balmy dome]

I think the Max 3 will be the sleeper device of the year.

[maiden slate]

For some reason, I don't mind letterboxing, but pillarboxing really grates me in handhelds

[maiden slate]

That's fair. I have a PSP so that's not an issue, but bigger GBA is a good point to consider, thanks!

[balmy dome]

Yeah but PSP actually is nicer on max 3 than real PSP

Upscale to 2x res + save state/.fast forward

All games run at 2x, including the GOW ones.

[maiden slate]

Oh yeah. It looks fantastic. Even if I won't end up buying it, it's a better rec than 405M. Plays all the same stuff for much cheaper and it's easier to use.

[forest kite]

Once the firmware is in a better spot anyway

Right now hdmi and sleep don’t work (though the 405m just doesn’t have hdmi permanently)

[maiden slate]

I'm not denying that, I just love the real hardware. Had it for 18 years, recently cleaned it up and modded it, I loooove playing on it.

[forest kite]

But sleep is being worked on and is the thing stopping me from daily driving the max 3

[maiden slate]

I'll always give them credit because it's due

The JelOS team might have some absolute drama queens, but their work is exquisite

[balmy dome]

It honestly ended up being less of a problem than I might have thought for me

But its super annoying, so i wil be happy when fixed

but screen tearing was the bigger problem as far as usability and thst totally sorted

[forest kite]

Sleep being disabled now is way better than before where it would sleep if you tapped the button but wouldn’t wake up

And no sleep doesn’t stop me from using it at home at all

[balmy dome]

Oh nice ill have to update

as yeah accidentally pushing power sux

[forest kite]

But if I’m gonna use it at work or out and about I need to be able to put it away quickly when something else needs my attention

So the MM+ has still been my daily driver for that

As suspected the RGB30 screen already has a driver in mainline due to it being used in rpi builds

So it should be able to get full mainline kernel fairly easily

The rk2023 screen also has a driver in mainline so it should be able to get mainlined as well as the 353 stuff

Sounds like the only jelos 3566 that is somewhat trickier to mainline but definitely still possible is the x55

But the motivation is strong to move all 3566 devices they support to mainline so they can use one build for all of them and not deal with the rockchip bsp kernel at all anymore

[white marsh]

well now that I know that they added touch to Jelos, i wish this had touch, lol

i'll get over it, but now iv'e been playing DS on my 353, lol

[forest kite]

Whether I wish they added touch to this depends entirely on how much extra it would cost me

$5 yes, $10 maybe, more then no

Next release will work on the RGB30

(The device right now is shipping on a month-ish old jelos build with a modified device tree)

[white marsh]

yeah, i think overall they were keeping it cheap, and without android the usefulness of touch is pretty limited

[forest kite]

I hope we get a real portrait device preferably capable of dual boot for pinball and NDS

There seems to be a real virtual pinball scene on android

Like a 4.5” 2:3 or a 5” 9:16

Like this is what NDS would look like on a portrait 9:16 widescreen

At 720p

Or integer at 1080

[white marsh]

weird, that'd be even more niche than a 1:1 screen, haha

[forest kite]

Pinball cannot be overstated in terms of how untapped that market is for a portable solution

Like you could definitely sell a device on pinball and NDS

It would still be 3.1” for 4:3 content with the biggest black bars of all time though 😉

[hybrid flame]

Stretch psp on that

[forest kite]

The tallest solid snake of all time

[white marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pick-up-stretch-reach-kitten-gif-5663724

[little monolith]

4:3 content on the top half the the screen, instruction manual viewer on the bottom half 😅

[forest kite]

for some NES games that would be unironically good

L and R to turn pages

[little monolith]

Or even the L and R sticks.

[brisk marsh]

What are the benefits of goong into mainline (except for common build)?

[forest kite]

more functional sleep states (able to deep sleep without bugs or workarounds that consume power), better compatibility with ports, potentially better gpu drivers but I think that one is more chip dependent

today's dev build running on the rgb30

[hybrid flame]

NOICE

[brisk marsh]

ok sounds good

[forest kite]

One hour to support this device was all that was needed thanks to powkiddy actually sharing source code for their fork

Amazing how painless proper dev support is when you’re not anbernic

[brisk marsh]

powkiddy as an examplary manufacturer, who would have thought so. All others shoul follow. Anbernic will very likely not...

How much does this this thing weights?

[pallid scarab]

I just got it for 63 dollars, bare console no OS card

[foggy stratus]

How?

[pallid scarab]

came back in stock on taobao with coupons

chinese store

549 down to 499 then I had an additional ~50 discount

[foggy stratus]

I’m still on the fence.. but might just get this instead of my RP2+.

[thorny trail]

Probably should have asked this before I put in my order. There's RTC support with JelOS on this device right?

[forest kite]

Should be

It works on every other 3566

Usual caveat applies that you’re probably gonna want to use in game saves and properly boot the game for RTC on many titles rather than use save states as most games only check the RTC on boot

[leaden perch]

are these shipping yet?

[forest kite]

In China I think they might be, international probably next week?

The typhoon in shenzhen paused basically everything retro handheld related the past few days I think

[thorny trail]

good to hear, thanks!

[pallid scarab]

not shipping yet in China, the typhoon situation is still ongoing

might ship in about 12-24 hours

[ivory field]

If only you could get that price outside China

[forest kite]

That would be crazy

This is still gonna wind up cheaper than a 353vs for me after shipping is taken into account

[gilded fog]

So just to clarify, does the screen actually not have touch even though it's the rpi screen? Or have they just not implemented it?

[pallid scarab]

apparently it was even cheaper (-13$ earlier, there was a super early bird I missed - as low as 50 usd basically

[ivory field]

Aww

At that price I'd have jumped

[pallid scarab]

yeah, I’ve no idea where powkiddy’s socials are, so I had no idea other than checking the store link

[white marsh]

It is not advertised as having touch. It could be the RPI screen, but without the digitizer. I would be surprised if it has the capability and they're just keeping it secret. The firmware it's shipped with supports touch, so if it was there they would advertise it.

[forest kite]

Yeah manufacturers the size of powkiddy are buying from a screen vendor that is building to order so if you don’t want the digitizer you don’t pay for it

Not big enough to get custom size and res but not buying end consumer fully assembled screen kits either

[gilded fog]

Fair enough. This is just a gameboy for me anyway, looks really cool

[forest kite]

Yeah I’ll be getting this for NES, GBC, and NGPC

Turbografx-16, pico 8

[lavish lagoon]

does jelous os support bluetooth controller?

[lean fjord]

If the device supports BT. Yes

[gilded fog]

I just paid for Pico 8 but have literally no idea how to access it. Link in the email just goes back to the payment page...

[lean fjord]

You just put the Linux files in /storage/roms/pico-8/ (I think)

https://wiki.batocera.org/systems:pico8#support_for_official_pico-8_engine a general guide