AYN Odin 2

[dawn island]

yeah its the cheapest

[celest dragon]

That's the early bird price not the retail

But it is still cheap without it

[celest nova]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect more than 100 units max actually going out at that price.

[ebon mesa]

I agree KalKeg, seems like insane value

[dawn island]

even xiaomi ain't that cheap

[celest dragon]

I don't agree honestly it's still firmly in the realm of early tech, it's a pain to set up and get running. And is for techy people it'll be years until it's plug and play.

It's great for people who want to fiddle but even Switch emulation on Android is too fiddly. No one will convince me windows is at a stable point yet.

[dawn island]

well, ive been playing nfsmw on my sd870 for about a month on exagear, had no issue

interface is as simple as winlator so yeahh

i wont consider it as early tech

years of work has been put into it

but for box64 yes that's a pain in de ass

to setup

i will agree with that

[celest dragon]

Eh just my opinion, I think as handhelds pick up steam as they have it won't be like in the past with such long waits between improvements. Especially with companies like AYN blindsiding us with affordable 8 Gen 2 chips

[celest nova]

Even at $400 it's still wild value, I'm super curious how they're swinging this.

[quasi blaze]

Obviously people are gonna argue that you should just buy a Steamdeck at that price

Which I would but battery life and device size for me personally

Those outweigh the performance

Super tempting though with Valve selling refurbished decks

[worthy idol]

especially since you can do more with steam deck than with 8 gen 2. pc games for a start.

[opal pawn]

Not everyone wants or cares about getting a steam deck. Different devices, different architectures and different use cases

[quasi blaze]

Although all of Valve's refurbished decks sold out instantly lol

[quasi blaze]

Yeah this is my point, a steam deck is too bulky to be portable and the battery life isn't amazing

Being able to play PC games isn't great if they only last 2-4 hours

[frosty beacon]

I meaaaaannnnnnn if I have a handheld I rarely play more than 2 hours at a given time. Android battery is super nice though

[fair plank]

Steam deck also lasts a lot longer than that on indies and emulation

[opal pawn]

The steam deck comparisons to every device that comes out is just getting boring to me. Even more so when you're comparing them to android devices and I say this as a steam deck owner lol

[tardy ravine]

Yeah honestly Steam Dink lasts long enough for me for almost any use case I have for it, and if I did go on like a long road trip it's not that hard to bring a portable battery

[quasi blaze]

Having taken both the RP2+ and Odin Pro on flights, having a device that confidently lasts for 4+ hours is a pretty nice use case

[frosty beacon]

I actually got a strong arm handheld first and then the steamdeck. They do genuinely have different use cases. And honestly, I daily drive my razer edge. The deck is nice but not perfect.

[opal pawn]

It's nice when you can take a device that you don't have to buy a seat for because its so huge 😅

[quasi blaze]

Yeah like the RP2+ was great for that it's so compact, but even the Odin takes up like the edge of what I'd consider appropriate in my personal item

Now that said I would love to have access to a lot of like, retro themed indies on the go

Every time I see a retro style indie I think "Wow I wish this had an Android port"

[jaunty rampart]

For me Steamdeck is not considered competition when it comes into emulation or vs handheld emulations…. Almost any handheld emulation is portable

Steam deck is not portable

[quasi blaze]

I think Steam Deck is on that line where like...it's not "pocketable" but it's portable in that you can easily transport it somewhere else

[jaunty rampart]

Plus Emudeck sucks when compared to android like Daijisho

I see Steamdeck only for AAA and indie games at most

[frosty beacon]

Backpack or sling ftw

[quasi blaze]

One thing that's under appreciated is that when you get a device that does EVERYTHING it actually becomes difficult to focus your gaming time

I get enough decision paralysis on my Odin tbh

(Also my fault for putting full romsets on there)

[frosty beacon]

Full romsets really need to be curated. No one needs Mary Kate and Ashley’s mall adventure 5

[quasi blaze]

Yeah I made the mistake with like, most 8 and 16 bit systems

Because like whatever a full SNES romset is only a few gigs

Really small

And don't get me started on MAME/FBNeo sets

[jaunty rampart]

Do what o do every night. Random game widget from Daijisho. And you play that game all night

[quasi blaze]

Oh that's fun, I do love Daijisho

Has really leveled up Android usability

Is emudeck really that bad? I figured it was just bogstandard emulation station stuff

[jaunty rampart]

I personally don’t like it. Found a lot bugs still

Like sometimes it takes 15 seconds to load a gameboy game

Or crash after waking up from sleep mode .

[quasi blaze]

Oh weird

[jaunty rampart]

N64 saving a state took sometimes like 10-15 seconds

I got a lot of shit happening that in android almost never happens

[tardy ravine]

Yeah true, I mean we all know Mary Kate & Ashley's Mall Adventure 6 improves on 5 in every way

[cedar nexus]

I do. Game is Fire! Don't down play the twins.

[green crypt]

I fell in that trap starting this hobby and I recently got out of it

curating retro games is hard work. so many games worth playing, and so many that aren't lol

[surreal parrot]

I aggregate top 25 video games for each console I'm interested in. Even if you don't like the game right now having the top of each platform is good to have on hand.

[green crypt]

I've been hunting for fan translations and rom hacks worth playing too but those never end up on any lists

[surreal parrot]

Yep. I initially get the top 25 based on the big websites / popular consensus then I go after the genre I prefer. I watch a lot of hidden gem videos to get the intresting stuff. Like, I never played ActRaiser before and while not really a hidden gem today I literally never heard of it

[jaunty rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

For me is imperative to have full collections (more than 15,000)

[surreal parrot]

I have full collections elsewhere for archival purposes.

Miserable on device.

[jaunty rampart]

If you have a extra space is actually not bad. I’ve been finding a LOT of hidden games thanks to the random widget

[surreal parrot]

I'm way too opinionated to hit random for my games.

[jaunty rampart]

Things I would have never found in curated lists… people’s choices sometimes are way different

[surreal parrot]

Oh for sure. Not saying it's the only way to go, just easier and the best way to actually use my device. Otherwise I'm scrolling through 27 different nickelodeon shovelware

[unreal walrus]

m&m kart racing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[surreal parrot]

lol thats the issue with the tie-in stuff. It's always based on a mario game of some type.

Spongebob platformer? Probably like SM3.

Sonic started doing the same thing with a Mario Party clone

[green crypt]

I like the random game option that a lot of frontends have but if I'm skipping games that show up, I'd feel like I'm going about it the wrong way

I used to have full sets and found myself skipping like 10 random games at a time and that's when I said enough is enough lol

[surreal parrot]

That was the pain on my PC.

Like someone said, Mary Kate + Ashley: GIrls' Night Out (PAL) will never get played.

[tender lynx]

i curated my list and still find myself skipping stuff lol

well, it's stuff i thought i'd like but it turns out i didn't

[green crypt]

sometimes it's like that

[tender lynx]

what do you mean my created character defected from my army. i'm about to defect from playing this game

[surreal parrot]

Man I'm a weirdo and try to get all the most definitive games in case my Miyoo is discovered in a dig in 3000 years.

[tender lynx]

there are too many franchises where fans will swear that each entry is the best one and all the others suck for me to do that

poeple bring up final fantasy, but i bring up romance of the three kingdoms to show how far it goes

because at least final fantasies look different

romance of the three kingdoms 7-10 all look like simcity 2000 and fans have wildly diverging opinions on them

all of them are mostly menus

anyways only RoTK11 is graphically ambitious enough to need anything more than T618 to run so it's not too relevant to the odin 2

they made the graphics better for the one with the most tedious micromanagement of them all

[surreal parrot]

We are in an interesting time with Legendary / Untouchable franchises. You can tell some of them only worked because of their name. If Final Fantasy 13 was called "The Legend of Lightning" it would have been a pretty failure

[tender lynx]

i wonder, considering how much expectation got put on it for being an FF game at all

[surreal parrot]

Each damn battle was 45 minutes.

Insane padding

[tender lynx]

that's that era of RPGs tbh

[surreal parrot]

It worked in ARPGs, turned based it was torture.

[tender lynx]

the first thing someone said to me to sell me on tales of the abyss was that it took him 80 hours to beat it

[celest dragon]

Back when FF 12 came out it was poorly received by fans and it was my favourite that has definitely been reevaluateed with time.

It was actually FF7 where the hype led to disappointment, as a fan of older entries like FFIV and FFIX I very much believe it was as well received as it was due to stepping into 3D which is not an achievement that ages well.

Everyone will have their own opinions on these legendary franchise's though.

[tender lynx]

i forget, does the odin have performance profile options? because if you can underclock the 8gen2 and still get really good performance, the battery life could be nuts for PS2/GC/switch

[surreal parrot]

Yes.

Normal / Performance / High Performance.

[tender lynx]

ah right right

[surreal parrot]

And a few toggles for fan speed.

I have a lite so not sure if it is different on the base/pro

[tender lynx]

since i have a retroid flip now, i started wondering if i was conflating the two, but yeah that's right

because people mentioned how the fan settings didn't have much of a point on the lite

[surreal parrot]

Yeah Dolphin MMRJ2 doesn't care about performance fan settings

[tender lynx]

i will say, i'm using regular dolphin on the flip and it's actually the best option so far

after the OTA update, samurai warriors 3 is working perfectly fine, even though i thought i might have to wait for the next upgrade to get it to work acceptably

but that thing is too small and gets too hot

[surreal parrot]

oh really?

I love my lite. Punches way above it's weight

[tender lynx]

yeah the heat is the main reason i'd want a bigger flip, i don't mind the screen size

but stuff that wasn't even much trouble on the RP2+ gets a bit hot on the flip

[surreal parrot]

how hot is the SD 8 Gen 2? I've never owned an SD device

[woeful heath]

Mine doesn't get hot at all

[surreal parrot]

Awesome. Has it ever been actively cooled before?

[woeful heath]

Nope, just in my S23U. Have never needed it to be cooled

[cedar nexus]

I super glad it wasn't the 888 all I can say

[woeful heath]

Gen 1 was an overheating beast though, hated it

[surreal parrot]

Yeah I heard the 888 was a sunspot

[cedar nexus]

My work phone has a 888 in it and used Dex on it for a while. It would get so hot.

[frosty beacon]

888 with active cooling actually isn’t that bad, but it still does rev up faster than it should. Overall active cooling helps most chips a ton

[cedar nexus]

It also drains the battery a lot. I fully charge my work phone on fridays don't use it over the weekend and it is at 21% Monday moring.

[bleak jolt]

Time to overclock the fuck out of the 8 Gen 2 in this bad boi

If the plastic isn't melting then I don't want it

[cedar nexus]

What would you need it to do OCed?

Question for the group? Will you be mad if they only offer a limited amount of 299 devices? Say the IGG at 299 is for only 25 units?

[surreal parrot]

Kind of expected. I doubt it'll be more than 200 for the 299 price.

[cedar nexus]

Does it not feel like a bait and switch?

[surreal parrot]

Pretty sure most of these campaigns do the same thing.

Also, based on the specs, it's still a decent deal at 350/400.

[cedar nexus]

Also if that is the case. Why support the IGG if you don't get a deal. Might as well just wait until they ship retail

[celest nova]

A lot of campaigns do that, it's not Ayn specific.

Usually, the Kickstarter/IGG price is less than retail across the board, regardless of Early Bird or not.

But if you (the royal you) are in it just for the $299, you're gonna be disappointed.

[cedar nexus]

Asking how everyone feels about it with AYN history. I get that many other places do it.

[surreal parrot]

AYN has shipping and SKU cancellation issues, not really pricing issues I believe.

The odin lite for 200 is still a great pickup

[celest nova]

Everyone does the early bird and cheaper pricing, so it doesn't mean anything to me. What's worse is the amount of people who've run with it in videos, articles, etc. touting "They're releasing a $299 device with 8 Gen 2!" when in reality very, very few people will get one for that price.

[woeful heath]

Yes.

[cedar nexus]

The issue with the lite is it was the promised 199 and took forever to come out.

[cedar nexus]

Oh Yes, not many disclamers out there on it.

[opal pawn]

Every IGG campaign has limited units at a lower price. Thats basically asking if every campaign is a bait and switch

[surreal parrot]

I agree it took forever, but people really need to read about indiegogo campaigns and what they are.

So many of them are vaporware / scams. This one is annoying due to length of time, but the product was amazing when delivered.

[cedar nexus]

Yes that also. If AYN wanted to they can just say sorry things didn't work out. Leave it at that.

[woeful heath]

if you're going to advertise $299, the limit can't be 25 people

fuck off with that if so

[celest nova]

I'm guessing 50-100 at most

[cedar nexus]

I just taking about AYN dishonesty they pull all the time. Not what others do.

[surreal parrot]

Yeah! It's nice to see an unknown you bet on (which is indiegogo on a good day) actually come through with no history and knock it out of the park

[opal pawn]

What dishonesty was there with the Odins IGG limited early bird perks?

[cedar nexus]

Color ways

[frosty beacon]

For only 25 units fuck yea. If it’s a big preorder + not crazy more expensive after igg nah

[surreal parrot]

Remember, indiegogo is not retail. You are literally crowdfunding the initial outlay for early adopter.

[opal pawn]

No dishonesty. They didn't get the orders. Simple as that

[cedar nexus]

Ok?

[opal pawn]

So it wasn't dishonesty lol

You were just disappointed

[surreal parrot]

I'm not trying to say they are perfect. Lord knows they need better logistics. But I don't seem them being malicious. That is the point. Each product even with the bumps seems to be good.

[cedar nexus]

I know this. Why I bring it up so others can read it and be informed.

[celest dragon]

Yeah I don't think they're being dishonest they've already confirmed the $299 price is early bird

AYN from what I've read haven't had issues with refunds

[celest nova]

I'm not interested in the base model anyway, so I've already waved off that $299 as not happening for me

[surreal parrot]

I'm tired of people being shocked by it too. People need to be more reasonable for a company that seems to be trying!

Which is why I like Ayn quite a bit.

[cedar nexus]

Kira, I like you. You also will defend AYN no matter what.

[woeful heath]

Base model is the only model I'm interested in, lol

[surreal parrot]

If they don't ship in 6 months like they said we will have problems.

[celest nova]

Yeah, delays will be the biggest thing. I'm guessing sometime after CNY 2024.

[surreal parrot]

You had 2 great products delayed. You should not try it again if you can't guarantee it.

[cedar nexus]

like early Q4 of 2022 for the Loki?

[opal pawn]

AYN aren't perfect but if you are going to inform people then it's better to do so with facts and context rather than just saying that they are dishonest

They are the masters of giving out dates they can't stick to

[cedar nexus]

Ok they have been dishonest about shipping dates many times

[opal pawn]

Just posted that 🤣

[cedar nexus]

I saw

[surreal parrot]

Dishonest is a bit strong but I can understand it.

[celest dragon]

AYN delays is fairly well known and brought up often, but from what they've show with the moulds and socs ready, and their prior experience and certain reused parts from the Odin I don't think there will be any large delays this time.

[cedar nexus]

From what I read is Odin 2 according to AYN will be out late 2023. If it isn't what would you call it?

[surreal parrot]

Either way, we wouldn't be here or have any excitement for the device if they didn't deliver even with the annoying bumps. We need good competition in the space. Otherwise it'll be Asus / Valve.

6 months from now puts us in February.

[cedar nexus]

February 31st

If don't get the joke. Then we can't be friends.

[surreal parrot]

Or vote jk jk

[opal pawn]

That was a long rumming joke 🤣

[celest nova]

I'm guessing late February or Early March at the earliest. CNY is, what, mid-February?

[cedar nexus]

I say mid March. CNY ends at different time for some in China.

[surreal parrot]

I bet they'll launch the igg end of the month. Feb - March delivery makes sense

[cedar nexus]

CNY is in February. I don't think anything will ship during that time.

[quasi blaze]

I feel like certain companies get unfairly scrutinized when others are hailed as saints in this market

The reality is that you are buying niche products from small Chinese manufacturers

[surreal parrot]

^

[quasi blaze]

I have owned products from Anbernic, AYN, Retroid, Miyoo, and Powkiddy, and they all have their flaws and problems as companies

(Yes I have a problem but I've slowed down these days)

[surreal parrot]

Only one I don't have is Retroid, because I think they are ugly.

[quasi blaze]

With almost all of these you are buying something that is effectively a parts bin special, made with surplus chips and screens and cobbled together into a shell of some kind

Like all the 4:3 devices? Those screens are old digital camera LCDs for the most part

The chips are often just old or unused phone parts bought at deep discounts

[surreal parrot]

Miyoo screens are from old blackberries if I remember correctly.

[quasi blaze]

Yeah that's another example

So like

Of course there are weird delays, of course the companies are bad at communicating, of course they often ship with horrible software or hardware issues

If you're here posting in a discord about this stuff you should be informed enough to know that and rationally decide whether you're willing to take those risks

[cedar nexus]

Thanks for the history lesson never knew that.

[quasi blaze]

And if you aren't and the product isn't for you that's fine but coming in here and dumping on the companies isn't super productive, you got a problem with the way they do things you know how to email them

[cedar nexus]

Not dumping on anyone. Just having a open discourse on how people think or feel. We all know what you stated. Many of us have far too many handhelds.

[quasi blaze]

I mean you're actively in here calling AYN dishonest as if they are the only ones who are lol

This whole market is dishonest

[surreal parrot]

Grey market as they come.

[quasi blaze]

Yeah it's what happens given like half of these systems ship with illegal roms and scummy stolen software

[surreal parrot]

Which Ayn doesn't do. So they are a bit more aboveboard than most.

[quasi blaze]

And unfortunately the systems made by reputable companies like Razer and Logitech are really pricy and don't offer great value

[surreal parrot]

Wasn't razer shady with the ram stuff?

[quasi blaze]

I honestly didn't follow it super closely

I think I had just gotten my Odin around that time

I'd have been more interested if the screen resolution was more reasonable

Like a 16:9 aspect ratio

[surreal parrot]

Yeah, I think it's a major company trying to capitalize on the market. At least the Logitech was pretty decent from what I heard. Overpriced.

[quasi blaze]

Yeah like build quality was great on the Logitech I heard

Just very bad price to performance

Odin Lite is still a great price to performance ratio and is still 199 on AYN's website

[surreal parrot]

Said the same thing earlier. It's amazing quality from such a fly-by-night industry.

[quasi blaze]

And it's like, a solidly comfortable device to use with solid screen and buttons

The analogs are a little small

Looks like that might be fixed on the Odin 2 who knows

[surreal parrot]

No device is going to be perfect. The odin works well enough. Everything else is just marginal preference. I remember having to deal with the n64 controller. That was a nightmare to use.

[cedar nexus]

I call out the other handheld companies also. Just not in here

[jaunty rampart]

If Odin 2 runs ps2, GC and 3Ds it would be perfect handheld

[quasi blaze]

It'll probably run like, 95% of those libraries

[surreal parrot]

I'm curious about how far switch will go.

[quasi blaze]

Biggest issue IMO is software

[vagrant dove]

I hear its performance is a marginal improvement from the former Odin

[quasi blaze]

Since AetherSX2 is not being improved

[vagrant dove]

I wish a good manufacturer would release a Linux handheld though...

[grand sentinel]

It will runs those with at least 3x

[quasi blaze]

The problem is the powerful chips are all Android or x86

Not a lot of powerful ARM chips with Linux ready to go

[surreal parrot]

That is probably changing here soon.

I bet SteamOS will arrive on this thing eventually.

[quasi blaze]

I think that's up to Qualcomm

Who seems to be relatively buttoned up about stuff

[surreal parrot]

They need to read the market.

[jaunty rampart]

Then this will be the perfect handheld

[quasi blaze]

Idk if Qualcomm needs to their primary business is selling a high volume of chips to phone manufacturers

[surreal parrot]

Handheld gaming devices are ripe for mindshare

[grand sentinel]

The only thing holding back an 8gen2 at the moment are the emulators themselves

[quasi blaze]

Like the Steam Deck seems big but it's sold only a few million units

Compared to the 10s of millions of phones that will be sold

Or the 100 million+ Switch units

Valve is the biggest name in PC gaming but the Deck is a relative niche in terms of sales

So I don't think they're suddenly convincing the ARM market to put SteamOS on plus then you have the problem of like why would you when most of Steam's library is designed for x86 devices

[surreal parrot]

True! But I'd imagine a port to ARM would be beneficial for battery life.

[quasi blaze]

Oh for sure

My opinion is that ARM is kind of the future because most computing is portable and efficiency is important

[surreal parrot]

I'd agree.

[quasi blaze]

But x86 is still the hobbyist architecture of choice and you have a huge backlog of software that needs to be ported

Well hobbyist and business uses

Like if you don't game and you don't do work that requires a computer there's not a ton of reasons to have an x86 device these days

[surreal parrot]

It's IT as a general whole that will need to move

Some of these experimental ARM servers are doing some amazing things.

[urban carbon]

I'm probably going to take a week to curate my entire Odin library from NES to PS2 and Switch, handpicking games is always better than full ROM sets although with a really small file size systems like NES and Gameboy and SNES I might throw the full library on there but definitely going to put a stop to that by the time you hit PS1

[jaunty rampart]

Oh man

I even have full libraries of wonder swan and spectrum lol

But yeah I’ll love some curated list of the best of each console

There’s like 1300 gba games lol

[tardy ravine]

https://retro-sanctuary.com/mobile/top-games-mob.html these can be a good place to start, then build off with other games that interest you or like romhacks and translations and stuff

Although I'm not seeing one for gba unfortunately

And whoever writes these had a pretty whack-ass take on Sonic 2 lol, but they did still include it so I think they at least try to stay somewhat objective and following popular opinion

[green crypt]

there's a wiki called /v/'s recommended games that has tons of games worth playing for pretty much every console documented there but it reeks of 4chan humor

also a youtube channel called that video games show has playlists of games worth playing for each particular console. this channel mostly covers hidden gems

[inland slate]

is the razer edge less powerful than the Odin 2 and if it is, is it a big difference?

[ebon mesa]

Aetherx2 dev leaving deployment puts a major damper on Android value for emualtion

[spark sandal]

Approaching sound barrier!!!

[frosty beacon]

Essentially Odin 2 is stronger and noticeably so, but it depends on what you are looking at. If you are looking into playing full switch games, yea it’s stronger by a mile. For gc/ps2, it will run games at higher resolutions. For 3ds it will be not that noticeable as the edge runs basically everything 4x

It would likely also be noticeable on windows games

[frosty beacon]

Tbf the emulator is still really really good

[errant gull]

And it's not like there are ARM Linux handhelds this powerful

Or x86 handhelds that sip this little power

[jaunty rampart]

So could we be in agreement that if the Odin 2 ends up with a 8gen2 for $300-$350 and better battery, hall sticks, and PS2, GC, and 3DS smooth without tinkering, hail as the best retro handheld ever created by the human?

[frosty beacon]

Tbh yea

[celest nova]

"The best" is a subjective answer, but it's certainly got everything going for it.

[frosty beacon]

Only thing missing is oled screen, but that would be more expensive

[jaunty rampart]

How about the “King” of retro gaming handheld experience

[frosty beacon]

Honestly that would still go to rg35xx or miyoo mini plus lol. Those would likely be most purchased anyways

[jaunty rampart]

I don’t know … having the ability to play everything up to ps2/GC in one handheld portable for less than 300

That’s a best seller right there (if it stays at $300)

[glacial hazel]

(it will not)

[glacial hazel]

also this is heavily subjective - the layout isn't amazing for pre-millenium games, neither is the screen ratio

it'll be a solid all-rounder no doubt

[crimson vine]

270 ayaneo air plus - it was limited and odin 2 at 299 is likely to be limited too

trade off is the battery

[celest nova]

That $299 price will be 50-100 units of the base model. I wouldn't realistically expect to get it at that price unless you're there right when the IGG page launches.

[crimson vine]

they sold 200 units at 270, will ayn sell 200 of these at 299? or just to odin and loki backers

I’m guessing you need to be an odin backer, loki backer and win the fall guys contest to get a chance of $299 odin 2

😂

[celest nova]

I don't know that it'll be that bad, but it's a little annoying to see it touted everywhere as the "$300" handheld when the likelihood is you're not gonna get it at that price. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm doubting it's more than 100 units at that price.

[errant gull]

I'm hoping the 12/256 model comes in under $449

[celest nova]

Same, that's the model I'm shooting for anyway!

If it could be $400 that'd be

[errant gull]

I'll keep saying $449. Hoping to be surprised but planning to get disappointed

[crimson vine]

sorry I’m still pissed I never got a coupon for the Loki Mini Pro mendo from the fall guys game and also that they cancelled the intel mini pro

[errant gull]

Don't apologize

In general, Ayn sucks

[crimson vine]

they suck, until I get a 299 preorder in and am holding the handheld

[errant gull]

So you're saying they're going to suck forever

[urban carbon]

$449? 12/256 should be $349

the $300 model is a great deal but i wouldnt order it even if i could, youre trading switch emulation and better future windows/vita emulation to save a few bucks

[celest nova]

$349 is likely going to be the base model price after early bird. Unless they also do early bird on the 12/256, there's no way it'll be that low.

Would be nice though.

[urban carbon]

i would expect:
$299 - 8GB/128GB early bird units, maybe 50-200 units total, probably $349 retail (theyd be based and blow everything else away forever if this wasnt unit limited though and stayed $299 for retail, consider it Ayn)
$349 - 12GB/256GB early bird, probably 100-250 units, probably $399 retail
$399 - 16GB/512GB early bird, probably 200-500 units, probably $449 retail

Give or take 20 or 30 dollars on each price

[jaunty rampart]

Damn it

I want it but not so soon lol

Can I put payments of 20 Dlls a week or something? For early birds?

[urban carbon]

I'd also expect this to be a summer 2024 release

Absolute earliest I could see these in peoples hands is like March or April, more realistically probably more like June/July

[heavy wren]

I mean honestly, if that's all the price increases I'm not too worried. I'm just worried about the price significantly shooting up after early bird due to the chip. But we'll see, I'm excited for Odin 2 either way.

[urban carbon]

People give Ayn shit for their two slow releases, but im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say theyve made an android handheld before and this time will go faster and smoother. Loki was their first windows device ever, it flopped but its understandable they ran into bumps

now if odin 2 takes a year+ i wont defend their slow delivery in the future anymore. theyve made an android handheld before, things should be quicker, so if they havent fixed their mistakes this time they likely wont ever

i think theyd be insane to charge anywhere above $449 for this even with the chip and 16 gb ram. not saying they wont do it, but i doubt anyone will buy it

i can defend this chip/handheld all day long at $400 though even against the "just get a steamdeck lol" bros

[errant gull]

Samsung reportedly paid ~$160 for each SD8 Gen 2

And Samsung operates on a scale that Ayn can only dream of

$449 (for 12/256) is probably higher than retail pricing will end up being but I'd rather be surprised than disappointed

[heady badger]

someone said it would be 600 retail for the 16/512gb

im sorry, at 600 im just gonna gt the aokzoe or rog ally

[urban carbon]

nobody would buy it

$450 is pushing it

whatever they need to do to keep this at $400 they should do

imo thats the "cap" on market price tolerance for a high end android handheld

considering im the prime target audience for this device and thats my cap

a lot of the reason is the steam deck but its also mostly software limitations

maybe a couple years after cassia development, if the compatibility with games is high and more options open up for what you can play, the long ARM battery life will be attractive enough to warrant a higher price tag. currently however, this caps out as a ps2 and switch device only.

[ember plume]

Funny…since Samsung made the Gen 1 chips?

[errant gull]

True switching to TSMC 4nm is what made them so expensive I think

[heady badger]

anyone remember the moqi? that was a 400usd for a SD710

[errant gull]

What is the prime target audience?

[urban carbon]

someone who wants to play ps2/gc/wii/switch and everything below at 60 fps, 2x-4x resolution with long battery life

[errant gull]

What does that have to do with the max MSRP?

I want that as well

[tired pollen]

odin 1 but a different soc

(fans revolt, complain, threaten ayn for not giving them something completely new)

[errant gull]

I wonder how long they'll sell the Odin 1s

Or is this a new 2 tier plan

[urban carbon]

Odin will need a price drop when Odin 2 comes

There is still a market for it though, for a few years

Odin 2 design and layout is infinitely better than Odin 1. Front firing speakers ✅ Easier to reach start and select buttons ✅ Back and Home navigation buttons ✅ More ergonomic contoured grips ✅ let them make the product better, if youre in a hurry buy one of the thousands of devices on the market with minor incremental upgrades (and sometimes their design regresses in the next model instead of becomes better) im glad theyre redesigning, I can wait.

[tired pollen]

Yeah if you're impatient, an open box xp plus is fine too. The vita dpad and face buttons aren't for everyone though

[cedar nexus]

That white color way I can’t stop looking at

[smoky flicker]

I think odin will be discontinued when odin 2 released, so you can't buy odin again

[crimson vine]

I think odin 2 299 will be a lucky draw lottery

[grand wing]

That was fast, fully functional prototype?

[glacial hazel]

it would appear so

there were photos of a pcb and shell posted a while ago here

[hushed vessel]

def leaning towards the black model

[celest nova]

Ooh, maybe less delays this time

[languid crow]

Which colour though

[vestal bronze]

so is this actually an soc that'd play PS2 comfortably or is that still a bit

[opal pawn]

This would play PS2, GC, Wii easily. It can also play TotK and BotW at 30fps with eggns so the power is there

[vestal bronze]

Yeah that's pretty good then

If the size is about as big as my lite then this would be good all around (if it comes out at a reasonable date)

[frosty beacon]

You really have to define that last statement lol

[vestal bronze]

not 2025, how about that

[frosty beacon]

Ah, then yeah probably

[opal pawn]

It looks like they have the hardware pretty much done. I'm assuming there will be a T1 mold to come yet but this should be in a good state when the IGG launches

[bleak geyser]

Meh i'll wait for the pocket air

[frosty beacon]

Still waiting to see how many people get the 300 price, but tbh if I go for one I’d want a higher gb ram one

8gb will be limiting it

[vestal bronze]

I hate all ayaneo designs with a passion

[opal pawn]

Ah. A veteran of mediocrity has arrived 😏

[bleak geyser]

Tbf i'd rather be on the safe side of having a launch without issues

[opal pawn]

I'm assuming there will be 100 units at $300 which would follow what they did with Odins super early bird

[vestal bronze]

It's the vita erasure you see

why do another odin if you get rid of the vita dpad

[opal pawn]

Why are you buying the pocket air then? AYA certainly have issues

[vestal bronze]

there's no point

[bleak geyser]

Less than ayn

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[opal pawn]

Debatable

[vestal bronze]

fight fight fight

[opal pawn]

Andre does this. He will say bad about the Odin 2 but I guarantee he buys one in the next 12 months 🤣

[bleak geyser]

NEVER

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

[crimson vine]

just buy both

or attempt to

buying them all is always the answer

[jaunty rampart]

Are you telling me I can do a Zelda marathon from the first NES one, to the latest Tears of the Kingdom ?

[vestal bronze]

I recall someone saying the SBC community might be a little too "fetishistic" with capitalism

[opal pawn]

Based on what I've seen this chip run on YT videos, yes

[vestal bronze]

Not an incorrect observation

[surreal parrot]

Looks good. Pretty nice to see a powered on prototype.

[fair plank]

better include the phillips CDI ones

[opal pawn]

No one should talk about those...ever

[jaunty rampart]

Of course

[surreal parrot]

Buried next to ET

[fair plank]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-cdi-zelda-goronu-link-good-morning-gif-14123055

[surreal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-link-king-happy-dance-gif-13088706

Honestly, probably the reason why those games are so hard to get liscensed.

Capcom had to beg for Ages, and Minish Cap.

[frosty beacon]

Buy them all but give ‘em away or sell em. It’s fun to try, but no reason to have one collecting dust imo. These things aren’t really collectible

[vestal bronze]

agreed

I usually consider the differential between my buying price and selling price to be a "rental"

and it's typically not too bad

[surreal parrot]

I don't know what fetishistic means when it comes to free market.

[vestal bronze]

encouraging the overindulgence of buying for no reason other than to buy

[surreal parrot]

Who's to say?

[vestal bronze]

one's brain?

that's what an opinion is chief

[surreal parrot]

Right. It's just a stupid one

[frosty beacon]

Oh dude, this is definitely a hype driven community wym

[surreal parrot]

For sure. It's not just a weird attribute to captialism. That is a weird reach.

[frosty beacon]

I think the best examples would be the chicken nugget handheld and the data frog. Incredibly hype driven, got lots of people to buy, ultimately will become e waste for most people

[surreal parrot]

I mean, anyone with a brain would realize it's a meme device. Hilarious, but def a meme.

[celest dragon]

It being a meme doesn't make it something to criticize less, people keep putting real money into memes

Back in my day memes were free shakes stick

[vestal bronze]

Encouraging buying many things is a weird thing to attribute to capitalism.

Makes perfect sense

[frosty beacon]

I’m just not getting where our stances differ really. Like I don’t get what you are really trying to say

[vestal bronze]

I don't think there is much of a difference other than like

[surreal parrot]

People have to make that decision themselves. It's weird to attribute to an open market a failure to make good decision

[vestal bronze]

me saying the word capitalism

[surreal parrot]

True, it's just always thrown in like it's the root of evil

[fallow hill]

It is tho

[surreal parrot]

I disagree but whatever man

[vestal bronze]

This community encourages poor decision-making ("fetishistic") within the flawed system of capitalism. That's all I was getting at

If we didn't buy every incremental release it wouldn't have taken this long to get to the good stuff

[frosty beacon]

Yeah I don’t agree that capitalism has much to do with it. It’s more consumerism

[vestal bronze]

royal "we"

[surreal parrot]

Consumerism is for sure more the issue

But also, having a dumb hobby is okay if you can afford it

[vestal bronze]

gee I wonder what consumerism is a part of

[jaunty rampart]

The thing is that technically this companies keep releasing new handhelds for people who haven’t get one before

[fair plank]

I don't know if this is really the appropriate forum for this discussion

[frosty beacon]

You know what. Nah, this stopped mattering lol

[vestal bronze]

nope!

[jaunty rampart]

But collectors always want to have all of them

[fallow hill]

It is not lol

[frosty beacon]

Agreed

All I was getting at is that this community definitely feeds into people buying more than they should lol. A miyoo mini plus alone can emulate more than you can realistically finish in a lifetime

[jaunty rampart]

I have a friend who got into emulation lately… and ended up getting a 405m for the first time ever

[fair plank]

magpies collect shiny things and they have no conception of economic philosophy

I think that's all it is really when it comes down to the urge to be a collector of things

https://tenor.com/view/candy-candy-trail-p-iece-of-candy-gif-5016759

[vestal bronze]

Well yeah quantity wise. But if you wanted PS1 games you probably wouldn't get a miyoo

[fair plank]

I like my 353VS for PS1

the grey even kinda reminds me of a gameboy and a PS1 having a baby

just gotta swap out the buttons sometime

[vestal bronze]

It'd be nicer if we had more... reasonable differences in power and control

but I mean, I guess the phone market is the same way

I'm just glad the Odin 2 can do all the things people thought the Odin 1 was gonna do easily, lmao

[fair plank]

the odin 2 does look like it's acutally going to be a generational leap over the t618

[rustic flicker]

Considering the original Odin already was, I'd add a few generation numbers in there

[subtle kraken]

One hell of a leap

[cedar nexus]

looks very nice and clean

[fair plank]

the odin base can do ps2 and gc as well as the t618 can do psp and n64?

if not that's not a full generation ahead

[cedar nexus]

I want to know if there will be discounts for the higher speced skus

[rustic flicker]

[frosty beacon]

Yeah I would consider it more of a generational leap. This will stomp everything before it

Like not even close

[fair plank]

is that a yes?

[rustic flicker]

[fair plank]

because I was under the impression the odin base still required speed hacks, pal roms, etc for ps2/gc

[frosty beacon]

It really depends I guess what markets you are talking about and what price range

[opal pawn]

Depends on the game. Many titles will run full speed with NTSC roms. Some will require tweaking as well but will still run full speed

[fair plank]

yeah, you don't need that with a t618 on the previous gen, so I would say you aren't quite getting a full gen ahead with the odin base compared to the t618 handhelds

which I think is what milkwalker is trying to disagree with but it's hard to tell

[opal pawn]

If a game is running full speed then it's running full speed regardless of what specific requirement you may have. I'm not sure what the issue is really

[fair plank]

vs this which should 'just work' on GC/PS2

the same way N64/PSP just works right now on the t618

so actually a full generational leap (and then some)

[opal pawn]

The 845 is a big leap over the t618 and I can't see any argument to state otherwise. The 8g2 is a monumental leap over both

[tardy ravine]

Having to look up the specific settings for every game and switching between different dolphin versions for every game(assuming you even have to do that with the Odin idk if you do) is pretty annoying, especially if you want to play something more obscure that people haven't already experimented around with

[fair plank]

for me a generational leap = one gen higher becomes effortless/playable with tinkering respectively, like the jump from 3566 to t618 (which moves the 'great' line up from ps1/gba to n64/dc/psp and the 'some playable with tinkering' line from n64/dc/psp to gc/ps2)

[swift atlas]

$299 and SD Gen2? Is this real

[fair plank]

25 of them will be

[frosty beacon]

I think the conversation is getting lost in ultimately unimportant semantics.

Odin 2 >>>> Odin >>>> t618

[fair plank]

$299 is gonna be the ultra limited preorder bait and switch price

[fallow hill]

If that was a real price I would consider

[swift atlas]

Damn still tho if it's 350 still cool lol

[fair plank]

no way this hits $299 for real price

$350 would still be a good deal for this

[opal pawn]

But those are your specific requirements. If someone can tweak a game slightly amd it runs full speed then the game runs full speed. You have a higher standard than the vast majority of people who don't mind tinkering to get the best performance out of a device.

[fair plank]

I mean, my specific requirements for the term 'generational leap' is an emulation improvement equivalent to one generation of consoles

[frosty beacon]

Honestly I’d still go a higher price for this system. I really think you’d want 12-16gb ram if you want to push it to the max

[swift atlas]

But when do you think they will ship it 2025? I mean it make sense right?

[opal pawn]

I agree. It's a weird conversation we've devolved into

[fair plank]

I'm not saying the current odin isn't better than a t618

I'm saying it's not a full generation better

[opal pawn]

Ok?

[fair plank]

because if it were it would run GC the way the t618 runs n64

[opal pawn]

Let's get back on topic

[fair plank]

????

this was the topic

[opal pawn]

And its devolved into a t618 vs 845 conversation

Bottom line, this chip is a game changer

[frosty beacon]

I actually can’t remember, was the t618 big during Odin release? Wasn’t the rp2+ the big thing at the time

[surreal parrot]

Wonder how it'll scale on active cooling

Sounds like a beast normally

[fair plank]

yeah, I think this is the first android SoC I've seen where there's actually a really solid argument to want this over the steam deck APU if you only really care about emulation (as long as you're fine to give up on ps3, xbox, and wii.u)

[tardy ravine]

Hadn't the x18 like just released as the big T618 during Odin times?

[celest dragon]

People really are in a debate-y mood this day

[fair plank]

(other than price, obviously, of course $150 t618s make sense to exist)

but like comparing this to the pocket air

[cedar nexus]

No one knows the real number of units yet

[fair plank]

this looks good enough to justify being approx steam deck priced

[frosty beacon]

caring about wiiu emulation is so weird to me. There’s very few games to care about, and switch covers the rest

[opal pawn]

Agreed

[vestal bronze]

Well I mean
you got Xenoblade Chronicles X aaaaaand

aaaaand???

[fair plank]

wii.u emulation is in a weird spot since half the switch library is just rereleased wii.u games

[vestal bronze]

Nintendoland?

[fair plank]

so I agree that if you can emulate switch well the wii.u emulator not supporting android is probably fine lol

[vestal bronze]

Splatoon 1, I guess

[frosty beacon]

Again, I really recommend people look at the 12 and 16gb ram versions

Especially if you really want to push the console

[tardy ravine]

Star Fox Zero!!!! Best game ever, obviously

[vestal bronze]

oh god

[opal pawn]

Yeah I'm looking at a higher ram variant

[fair plank]

if the real in stock price of a 12gb ram variant is $399 that could be a huge gamechanger for the entire market tbh

[vestal bronze]

I didn't know android had PS3 emulation

[fair plank]

it doesn't

[opal pawn]

It doesn't

[vestal bronze]

oh maybe I read what you said wrong

[tardy ravine]

I'm probably just gonna get the 8gb version, I don't think I wanna go into switch emulation myself. Unless the higher ram is needed for stuff like Genshin or Honkai Star Rail, I might try getting into one of those if I got this

[fair plank]

by going android you're giving up on PS3/Xbox/Wii.u

[vestal bronze]

oh you said steam deck had that- right

Yeah okay I get it

[fair plank]

compared to buying like an ayaneo or deck or something

the deck can't even do all ps3 either so please don't buy a deck for ps3 emulation

[vestal bronze]

It cannot, I have a deck for the very vanilla use case

of playing my PC games lmao

[fair plank]

yeah, I use my deck for pc indie games and for gc/ps2

[tardy ravine]

Brothers in arms

[opal pawn]

My deck is pc games only. Emulation is all done on my portal

[frosty beacon]

Yeah if you only care about gc/ps2/3ds the 8gb will be more than enough

[vestal bronze]

I initially ran it for the very specific use of playing Final Fantasy 9 but with the PC AI upscale mod

[cedar nexus]

This will be the PS2 handheld I hoped the OG Odin to be. With upscales and great battery life. I am hoping they keep the Loki sticks in this.

[vestal bronze]

my thoughts exactly

[opal pawn]

I played through the moguri mod on Windows on my Odin pro. It was a great experience.

[vestal bronze]

What would be the point of 12-16 then
android games? I ain't a gacha player

[cedar nexus]

Futrure proof and Switch

[opal pawn]

Switch emulation is the main reason I think

[frosty beacon]

This

[vestal bronze]

ahh

[frosty beacon]

But mostly switch

[fair plank]

I'm very curious how well this will emulate switch

like will it be as good on this as it is on the actual switch playing something like ToTK?

(frankly not a massively high bar since the switch chugs on that game)

[vestal bronze]

I mean the switch barely plays ToTK to begin with

[opal pawn]

This chip can run BotW and TotK at full speed with eggns. That bodes well

[cedar nexus]

why Nintendo will not put this game on the Switch? I just don't understand

[vestal bronze]

Nobody bought it

[frosty beacon]

Even on yuzu it’s already getting really good

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/15bm10o/mario_kart_8_now_running_full_speed_on_snapdragon/

[vestal bronze]

I am aware at the paradox

[fallow hill]

The switch emulators are very promising on android, I can only see it getting better and better

[vestal bronze]

I'm sure Xenoblade Chronicles X would get some kind of switch port
maybe a switch 2 remake

I'm kind of holding out hope a switch 2 will do what the PS5/XSX did and allow games the be better performing

[fair plank]

the odin 2 is really tempting if the preorder price isn't massively off from the real one

[vestal bronze]

so I'm not exactly frothing at switch emulation atm

[fair plank]

I'm not gonna loan ayn money

[vestal bronze]

lmao

[fair plank]

but if they actually come out at only $50 more than IGG I'll probably get one

[vestal bronze]

did they do IGG color exclusives

[cedar nexus]

At first yes with the Odin. I have no idea about the odin 2

[fallow hill]

Dat clear blue is hard to resist

[cedar nexus]

I am team white. So fresh and clean, clean!

[heavy wren]

Same. $400 is about the max I'm willing to spend on the 12 GB model, and I don't think I'm alone there.

[celest dragon]

I've decided against clear because I want the RGB and the clears are very hard to gauge in promos versus in person-- I'm actually considering the one with the purple buttons

[fair plank]

honestly by the time this is out I'll maybe get a 8840u win mini refresh or something lol

but if this does come out by q2 next year at a good price then yeah

[celest dragon]

With them already holding a working prototype I'm thinking we might see them releasing it in q1

[ember plume]

Why is it rounded though.

[frosty beacon]

Comfort?

[unreal walrus]

to look different

[frosty beacon]

Oh you mean the screen

[opal pawn]

Seems like it's whatever theme they applied has rounded images

[cedar nexus]

Looks like it can be squared. Just the image is rounded.

[ember plume]

IR maybe.

…IR Blaster, or Activity LED.

[frosty beacon]

Yeah looks like the edge is lit and available there

[opal pawn]

You can see that the screen is on all the way to the corners. It's just the image

[ember plume]

That’s that oval shape thing,

[cedar nexus]

I am scared the sticks might be small.

[ember plume]

The red dot in the one image. So it’s not a LED power thing?

[gusty crane]

It’s just the theme

[ember plume]

Okay but I mean this. I talked about it a long time ago, thinking it may be the IR like a phone uses to detect you are still using it

Concept for Odin 1 had this thing on bezel too, but as far as I know it is not a thing.

But it is only red on the later time photo so possibly low battery indicator LED 🤔

[quasi gazelle]

I wonder what the battery life will be like since s8 gen2 is known to be good at not losing battery fast

[ember plume]

It looks great, if only I didn’t already have a Odin Base I would buy one.

Maybe I can get rid of my Odin 1 have not used it in maybe 6 months.

[quasi gazelle]

The jump from the Samsung s22 using gen 1 and the s23 using the gen 2 was pretty significant battery wise even though they have very similar batteries

[celest dragon]

They confirmed it's not rounded like that just the theme

[shell kestrel]

Anyone with a razer edge thinking about upgrading? Figure performance bump is probs 20%, which is not insubstantial

[frosty beacon]

I would do it only if it had an oled really. I might back but not as an upgrade, just to see if it can be done. I don’t care about switch emu, and the other systems it can do run pretty well on the edge

[shell kestrel]

Yeah I got a razer edge at a good price right before the soc announcement and as much as I want it, I can't justify the cost as an upgrade. Feel like at this point, most of the bottleneck from 888 chips onward are software related rather than hardware

[celest dragon]

I definitely feel like that for switch there'll still be some hardware related bottlenecks BUT the big thing for me is the power efficiency.

[frosty beacon]

Yes if you want switch it’s worth the upgrade, but only if you’re getting the 12-16gb model. Otherwise I think you are fine

[grand sentinel]

20% improvement is a bit high tbh.

[shell kestrel]

Ahh I was just ballparking, maybe 10-15?

[grand sentinel]

I think that's more like it!

[frosty beacon]

Honestly probably closer to the higher end. @radiant willow might know, sd8gen2 improvement over the razer edge

[heady badger]

Best switch emu on android?

[fair plank]

With a snapdragon you’ll probably want to use yuzu by the time this is out

[frosty beacon]

Define best

[grand sentinel]

Skyline 69 imo

Yuzu has higher compatibility though.

[frosty beacon]

Best preforming is probably still eggns, but yuzu is likely to beat it out.

And of course there’s lots of issues people have with eggns

[heady badger]

Kinda overall no fuss thing

Ive been trying to get Metroid dread working on my Odin via skyline and all I got a blurry graphical mess

[frosty beacon]

By the time Odin 2 actually releases it will probably be yuzu

[heady badger]

And it's a blurry mess no matter which drivers I use

[frosty beacon]

I mean the Odin 1 is unlikely to run that much switch super well

[heady badger]

Coolio. I'll just buy the game again

And play on oled

[frosty beacon]

Will be a much better experience!

[grand sentinel]

Might be the drivers you are using

[radiant willow]

SD 8 Gen 2 over the G3x (888+)?

way more than just 10-15% improvement

[frosty beacon]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[grand sentinel]

Any benchmarks for that?

[grand sentinel]

that's wild

[radiant willow]

updated my Geekbench chart just for the channel 🤗

[heady badger]

I tried multiple. Latest Adreno for 630 (v69), turnip 23.2, and I even went back to the old 22.3 by Matt which there was a YouTube vid using that driver and settings.

[radiant willow]

yea the SD 8 Gen 2 is insane

[heady badger]

None of them worked

[frosty beacon]

Thanks for the info!

[radiant willow]

and in case anyone is curious for some ideas of what we could potentially expect with Switch on SD 8 Gen 2 https://youtu.be/deLIUng_goQ

[heady badger]

Legit the gen2 is double the performance of the 845

[radiant willow]

https://youtu.be/SfgEfF8hiLg

[heady badger]

It's a serious worthy upgrade

[frosty beacon]

It should be even better than those videos by now I’d assume

[radiant willow]

not done with the benchmarking either

[radiant willow]

Yes 100%

both are older versions

[heady badger]

So......release date Odin 2 when

[frosty beacon]

Watching your initial review almost made me buy a rm8 lmao

That’s how good the chip is

[radiant willow]

let me run an updated Antutu and 3dmark on my RM8 Pro and compare since I did get recently updated numbers for the Razer Edge

[radiant willow]

It seriously is a solid performer

[frosty beacon]

But for a razer edge user as noted above, I’d say it’s worth an upgrade if you are looking for switch, practically speaking

[radiant willow]

Yes, I think so as well

[frosty beacon]

Or I suppose future proofing

[radiant willow]

if AYN can deliver on that $299, it will be hands down the best price to performance Android handheld on the market by far

[heady badger]

I'm 90% sure it's only like the first 100

[grand sentinel]

or less

lol

[radiant willow]

That's what I'm thinking as well

the numbers don't add up lol

[heady badger]

And everyone is gonna start crying after

Omg Ayn lied

Or say they never said there was a limit

Blah blah

[frosty beacon]

Again I’d go for a higher tier model personally. Would actually probably splurge for a 16gb ram one

[radiant willow]

for a handheld with the SD 8 Gen 2, I think it's worth it for sure

[heady badger]

What I'm truly fearful

Is that they hype 8 gen 2

But they can't deliver

[opal pawn]

Are people really going to be surprised that it would be 100 units at $299 as the early bird perk?

[heady badger]

Remember all the cancelled Intel skus?

[heady badger]

It would be ammo for those peeps that love the ktr1. See 199 best price to performance

299 is a lie

I would really laugh at that

[opal pawn]

Not while the Odin lite exists

[errant gull]

KT-R1 does not have best price to performance

[heady badger]

Then they change the topic about size etc

[celest dragon]

AYN has been upfront that $299 is an early bird special tho

[heady badger]

The hate would be the AMOUNT they have at the price

[fallow hill]

Im done trying to talk on that channel lol

[heady badger]

Did you see the ktr1 channel lol

[bleak geyser]

KT-R1 is cursed

[errant gull]

Oh sorry I thought you were being serious 🙃

[heady badger]

Yea. I got shat on by the same guy

[errant gull]

I've never join device specific discords

[heady badger]

I would love for you to have a conversation with that dude

[bleak geyser]

The only one i'm excited for now is the pocket air

[errant gull]

Meh D1200 is too mid

[heady badger]

You will legit feel yourself get a migraine

[fallow hill]

Aparently not wanting to fix the device out of the box is too much

[bleak geyser]

It's okay if you don't care about switch at least

[heady badger]

Defensible coz it happens to even big company's that sell tvs

Well newsflash, they come to your place to fix if there is something like that

We don't take it apart to fix

[errant gull]

I have a GPD XP+. I don't love D1200 for PS2

[bleak geyser]

Their software was shit

[fallow hill]

What about anbernic????

Ok im done lol

[errant gull]

What software?

[bleak geyser]

Their version of android they put on it

[heady badger]

Yeaaaaap. Did you feel yourself lose 10iq points yet

[errant gull]

It boots faster than any other android device I've ever owned

[opal pawn]

There's a few radical followers in that channel 🤣

[heady badger]

They are the wild Lee of kt

Much like how wild Lee is of anbernic

[opal pawn]

Thats actually a perfect description 🤣

[fallow hill]

Im not losing any more thats for sure lol

[bleak geyser]

He and his admins looked into other discords and banned everyone talking shit about them from the anbernic discord

[heady badger]

I don't hate the device. But saying it's perfect price to performance for the price........I'm sorry..no. saying it's ok there is hardware faults that can be easily fixed so it's defensible.....no

But I do respect nil for actually trying to fix all these issues after the fact and sending out replacement parts and stuff

[opal pawn]

There's one guy who said 'it just worked' but left out the part where only one of his speakers is working 🤣

[heady badger]

......

https://tenor.com/view/im-done-gif-20076216

[errant gull]

Maybe he's deaf in one ear and can't tell

[fallow hill]

I LAUGHED LOUDLY AT THAT

[heady badger]

Sounds like him alright

Him and jutley are just......

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

Makes me wanna do ^

[bleak geyser]

I'm just lurking in jutleys rgh discord and see what happens

[heady badger]

I left in protest lol

Wasn't gonna take jutleys nonsense

[bleak geyser]

He also kept saying that he get's early samples which is often just a lie

[fallow hill]

Also its fine bc many handhelds have mono audio

[bleak geyser]

Taki tweaked performance in his tests though which gpd never bothered to do

[opal pawn]

That made me laugh as well

[opal pawn]

Did they fix the stuttering issue when playing PS2 roms from the SD card?

[bleak geyser]

Nope they never did anything

[errant gull]

What does tweaking performance mean? A custom ROM or just regular android settings

[rustic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/homero-risa-puerta-gif-22394419

[errant gull]

Can confirm that still is a problem

[opal pawn]

[errant gull]

PS2 lives on internal storage

[bleak geyser]

He changed clocks with root access

[heady badger]

I had the same reaction when I saw someone tell me they got 6+ hours SNES on the rg552

[bleak geyser]

Hope gpd never bothers to do another android handheld ever again

[radiant willow]

All they had to do was update the XD+

and maybe hire someone off Fiverr to support it once in a while

[opal pawn]

It would probably cost them more to pay devs to fix it than they had in sales tbf 😅

[radiant willow]

for the XP+ definitely 🤣

[bleak geyser]

Kinda wish the pocket air had a color option in all black though

[radiant willow]

I appreciate them coating the thumbsticks with cheetos dust already

[bleak geyser]

🤣

[heady badger]

Someone understands that the Famicom colours are oogly

[bleak geyser]

The preyellowed sticks trigger me

Their frontend/launcher makes me want one though

[tardy ravine]

Apparently they come with other cap options

[bleak geyser]

Tbh this beats even daijishō in looks

[fallow hill]

I see some of you went back on that channel, best of luck to you

[bleak geyser]

Yeah i'll mute that one

[opal pawn]

I couldn't help myself 🤣

[bleak geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-its-about-to-go-down-calm-before-the-storm-gif-4420127

[heady badger]

Yo @opal pawn @fallow hill you saw how he responded to my example of being one of those who cant open the device

He told me to find something else

[opal pawn]

Yeah. Pretty disgusting imo

[heady badger]

I'm done

There's no point

[fallow hill]

Yeah, dont even bother

[heady badger]

I was keen on getting kt at a later date but now I don't even want to

Knowing such people exist

[fallow hill]

I was legtimaly interested in it, waiting for the issues to be ironed out. I may still get it but this is sad

[bleak geyser]

You should never have to take apart a device straight out of the box to make sure it works properly

[tender lynx]

very funny to me that the only thing which could've undercut the KT-R1 for me was a clamshell, and then retroid delivered, so i stopped waiting. meanwhile, the PC clamshell that could've undercut the loki went too far from what i wanted, so i'm waiting on AYN even more

[bleak geyser]

That guy in the ktr1 channel is not even trying to not be a dick about it

[tender lynx]

wait is it nil or a fan?

[bleak geyser]

Fan

[tender lynx]

ah, the worst

[bleak geyser]

[heady badger]

Tells people with interest on the device but cannot take electronics apart to get something else. The kt isn't for them

Like seriously

Wtf

[cedar nexus]

everything besides DIG beat daijisho in looks

[fallow hill]

It got worse wtf

Im done done done

[bleak geyser]

I wouldn't expect to have to take a apparent retail ready device apart for fixes

[heady badger]

Btw I do not have carpal tunnel. I was speaking for a friend who wanted the device and hoped I help source it for him

[bleak geyser]

Rp3+ seems like a better buy

Even with less performance

[heady badger]

I still think the kt is the better device once all the issues are fixed

[heady badger]

Yea I left the channel and mute it

I cbf

[cedar nexus]

I know the KT stuff is hot drama, but can we keep it out of here.

[bleak geyser]

To me it's funny

[fallow hill]

Yeah, lets end it

[cedar nexus]

It is. We have #1000859230783422576 for it

[fallow hill]

If this ends up costing 350 I could go for it, I still think about getting the first one lite in white, looks so good

[tardy ravine]

White looks really nice but I feel like it would get grimy more easily

Black with PlayStation buttons sure would look nice but idk

[fallow hill]

If they sold with playstation buttons already installed I would order so hard lol

Im also cosidering the loki zero for very light pc gaming in windows. But I want reviews for that

[tardy ravine]

I guess there are copyright issues with selling things with PlayStation symbols, unfortunately

[cedar nexus]

350 for the base price would be great

[bleak geyser]

Yeah the dev from the ps remote play app even had to change the app icon

[fallow hill]

Lol

[cedar nexus]

so silly

[opal pawn]

Maybe this will help

[tardy ravine]

Purty

[fallow hill]

That looks so goooooood

[opal pawn]

I snagged these as soon as they were available and they are the best mod I have done on my odin by far. He got the colours perfect

[fallow hill]

You made me consider a black odin lite just for these looks

[tardy ravine]

Sakura doesn't seem to be selling the black buttons anymore, just dark grey and then black with brass lettering

[opal pawn]

I'll be using these in my Odin 2 for sure

[fallow hill]

I wonder if a odin 2 lite will exist at some point

[opal pawn]

They don't seem to have any plans

And I hope it stays that way personally. Keep it simple this time.

[fallow hill]

Yeas, simple is good

(looks at loki still releasing skus)

[opal pawn]

A lot of mistakes were mad with the Loki line up. Too many SKUs which meant it would take forever to release them and they had to cancel some because they didn't mean a minimum order requirement. I hope they don't do another windows device. Or if they do, it's one chip.

[cedar nexus]

I think the color ways they have for 2 and RAM/storage is easy to keep track of. If months after retail AYN did new colors that would be cool also. The KISS method is always the best.

[opal pawn]

Yeah this should be easier for them. I'm praying for a smoother ride this time

[heady badger]

No.

Jokes jokes

Please don't mute me

[cedar nexus]

I don't have that power just a end user like you. I get more excited about the odin 2 as I watch GEN 2 emulaiton videos

[bleak geyser]

I'll probably continue playing switch on my oled instead of trying to emulate it

[heady badger]

I got the non coloured ones

Made it as close to a psp as possible

Then I hate it for psp coz dpad not on top like the psp

[opal pawn]

Nice. They also look great

[worthy idol]

I agree with you. What I saw was ayn got smug with loki in the beginning, announcing many skus, attacking anbernic and ayaneo products. A year later, there is still fallout from their decisions.

So yes, they need to rebound with odin 2 being a very good product, fast production, good price and the best QC they can deliver. That would be the start of turning things around for them.

[opal pawn]

Agreed 100% amd I do think they are learning. They already have a mold done and the boards which is alot more than they had done before the first Odin IGG was launched. They now have a prototype as well which looks really good.

All signs point to this being a much better launch than their other products and I really do gope this is the case.

[heady badger]

Guess please

We know shipping will be out in 2025

[worthy idol]

Yup. I really do hope odin 2 is the best handheld product they ever made. They need to make it a gold standard.

[opal pawn]

In all seriousness, I think March 2024 is a reasonable expectation if the IGG is launched in the next month.

[cedar nexus]

March 2024 would be great. Would be a simlar timeline as the OG Odin for me

[heady badger]

And that month is after CNY too?

So it does fall in line with what they were saying

[opal pawn]

CNY is end of Feb I think?

AYN said less than 6 months. From the original Odin in Aug 2021 I got my Odin in Jan 2022 which was 5 months. I would think this should be faster because of where they are now with Odin 2

[cedar nexus]

March would only be a week after CNY. CNY last longer for some people also. So getting a factory workers building these might have a little delay.

[heady badger]

So I'm not getting my 299 odin2 after cny????

AYN LIARS CONFIRMED

[cedar nexus]

I am just saying that is a reasonable time frame. They might get them out sooner.

[heady badger]

I'm trolling

Don't mind me too much

[ebon mesa]

retro handheld gaming, is being content with a order and waiting for the shipment

[heady badger]

You know when I'm actually serious about a convo

[heady badger]

Bruh. You clearly don't know us

It's loading up and setting up everything. Play 1 hour of testing. Then never touch it again

[opal pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[fallow hill]

And then to the next device

[quasi blaze]

True

I try to beat one game per device I get

Which is a terrible investment lol

[fallow hill]

Me too, and yes lol

[heady badger]

So none of you buy Devices just to set them up and not even play one game?

[worthy idol]

make it baldur gate 3 and that can be 200 hours

[quasi blaze]

I need to play more of that game

[opal pawn]

Sweet mother of moses

[fallow hill]

And its soooo good too

[queen linden]

Rule #1 @bleak geyser

Treat everyone with respect. Absolutely no harassment, witch hunting, sexism, racism, or malicious trolling will be tolerated.

[rustic flicker]

Do not call other server members "Peices of shit"

[bleak geyser]

😂

[frosty beacon]

I dislike this notion

Play your handheld folks

Lol

[urban carbon]

1x-2x res in ps2/gc/wii vs 3x-4x res on the sd8gen2, big difference

[frosty beacon]

2x is solid, plus oled vs non oled

[bleak geyser]

Going 4x on a 1080p screen is kinda pointless though

[urban carbon]

Even the hardest to run titles will be good at 3x though whereas they will not even hit 2x on the pocket air

[bleak geyser]

I consider ps2 on android dead anyway

[lost loom]

It’s a nice flex for the retro ladies out there tho

[frosty beacon]

The emulator is still incredibly good. Not dead imo

[bleak geyser]

But no dev support though

[frosty beacon]

Yeah but the emulator is really good

Like drastic, while more complete, has basically no dev support

[urban carbon]

As soon as Aya wizens up and throws a better Snapdragon chip in their pocket air revision that'll be the one to get

It will still have inferior design though compared to the Odin 2

[bleak geyser]

And personally i'll probably don't want another drama of a campaign if it's ayn

[heady badger]

no. keep it in the box for the year

[cedar nexus]

Why everyone should be in GOTM

[heady badger]

why play when you can admire the craftmanship in the box instead

[lost loom]

[radiant willow]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-black-kid-gif-3535805

[worthy idol]

Or even better, admire the box it comes in. Can I interest you in the Kun packaging. 😏

[worthy idol]

They're on to you, Tech dad. 😆

[heady badger]

is it shrink wrap with the fresh car smell

[worthy idol]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[radiant willow]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-correct-billy-madison-chris-farley-take-off-teasing-gif-15512141

[worthy idol]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-spying-binoculars-observe-look-gif-5325326

[slow cloud]

depends on if I get one fast enough or not lol

[cedar nexus]

I hope AYN has discounts on all models

[heady badger]

i can be tempted.....................

[slow cloud]

is there a CD-i emulator?

[jaunty rampart]

I was wondering the same ….

[slow cloud]

also why is everyone saying the base price will be $349 when the IGG page already says what the discount will be

(I added the highlight)

it's $339 or possibly less if the discount is higher on higher models

[jaunty rampart]

Honestly if it’s 299 with 40 dlls discount I’ll buy

[worthy idol]

It says "win early bird discounts" "up to $40". So is this a lottery with various dollars off, up to $40? And how many winners?

[grand sentinel]

Wait, so are they saying that with early bird discount, it's $299, and without, meaning regular sale price, it will be $339? If so, that is still a bargain. If that's not what they meant, this will be awkward

[crimson vine]

it’ll be a contest, ayn loves contests

[radiant willow]

So confused lol

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[cedar nexus]

Super confusing. Hopefully it’s cleaned up fast

[fair plank]

Yeah if the full price for the base is 340 and then going up to more ram+memory isn’t too bad that’s a good deal

[muted osprey]

Either way there is postage and tax to add on but jts eye catching to say from 299 even though no one will get it at the price as a final price

[ember plume]

“BIG” “Early Bird” is just what Super Fan was to OG Odin.

Normal Early Bird would be the $340.

And then when those are gone probably $380?

And then Amazon would be $800 😅

[cedar nexus]

What about eBay?

[frosty beacon]

I want to see what 16gb goes for if it goes on any discount at all

[ember plume]

Will this be able to play Skate 3 PS3 emulation?

That’s my dream handheld game.

[muted steppe]

Probably $20 off if you got the Odin or Loki and $40 if you got both

[ember plume]

Was a bad omen to be naming it after the “trickster” god probably.

[ember plume]

100% off if you are a YouTube reviewer.

[frosty beacon]

No

Need x86 currently

[ember plume]

Oh nice.

Is x86 a steam deck or something out already?

[frosty beacon]

A pc handheld. Steam deck fits the bill, but idk how well it would run the game. Android doesn’t have ps3 emulation currently

Nor would we know requirements for ps3 android emulation till that happens

[ember plume]

Windows on Odin 2

[frosty beacon]

There is a winlator

[inland slate]

The normal Odin ain’t even on Amazon I doubt this will ever be

[ember plume]

Yeah was a joke.

[jade gull]

@trail kayak are you in on this one?

[heady badger]

the real question is....are YOU in this one @jade gull

[ember plume]

Are Odin or Odout?

[worthy idol]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-joke-sean-klitzner-a-joke-from-dad-wholesome-joke-from-dad-father-with-a-punchline-gif-19240607

inform @hallow rivet

[jade gull]

I'm trying to decide if I want 2 or not

I was thinking about buying one for the bathroom for guests that never visit.

I've rationalized that in my brain and I think you'll all agree that it's a perfectly valid reason to double dip.

[trail kayak]

Maybe on retail. I don't think I'll preorder. I already have an Odin sitting doing nothing, ktr1 doing nothing, etc.
The Edge will last me a while, I think, for android purposes.

Given Ayn track record with timing, it seems crazy to preorder this. It could be 12+ months until it comes to fruition, and who knows what will be around in even 6 months

[jade gull]

I get it and I respect it. I've just accepted it. If you predict based on history and adjust expectations accordingly, I can still save a bundle on something I'm going to buy regardless. The pandemic really broke me of my instant gratification with tech. All those shortages and waits... I've been forged by digidocks and analogue pockets(which I just got my shipping confirmation yesterday yay!). I participated in the great waits of raspberries and de-10 nanos. Piboys and ps5s... I'm HARD as a rock and my HODL is ready for the Odin2 shipping rollercoaster.

I'm starting to get concerned about my affinity for Ayn products after the Loki. I've never been such a shill for a company. I've never been someone who's loyal to any specific brand, but Ayn keeps cranking the hits and I keep buying. Powkiddy and Anbernic, in particular, are losing stock with me.

And snapdragon 8 gen2 brings Ayn squarely into the Linux tent as well.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.3-Arm-SoC-Updates

What would be so freaking dope is if they launched with dual boot like anbernic does and pied Pipered the Linux community over to our tent.

I know some Linux people who would love Ayn hardware.

[heady badger]

guess whos coming over everyday now

to use that bathroom for guest

to play on odin2

[west stirrup]

Invite Stubbs over
I'm sure he'd love to use your bathroom

[slow cloud]

I don't think IGG charges tax? In the US at least

[fair plank]

I would love a dual boot device (probably a 3588 with my budget but snapdragon 8 gen 2 works too!) as a way to try out android handhelds without being “stuck” if I still prefer Linux

[worthy idol]

depends on the state. some collect tax on internet sales.

[trail kayak]

I've been saying and thinking about it for a while, but I want to redirect some of my attention (and $) away from these devices for a bit. I don't think I'll play the lengthy preorder game again, I may for things that are a month out, but not much more than that.
It looks to be a good unit based on specs, and if it's successful I shouldn't have any trouble getting it at retail later. If the price is way inflated after IGG, I can hold off.

[jade gull]

Totally respect that

I've shuffled my spend to the old first party handhelds. I just scored a lynx that I'm having upgraded and a Turbo Express that I just bought an everdrive pro for. Gonna have the entirety of the tg16 and sgfx collections, but the entire cdrom library too. Upgraded IPS and fully recapped.

It was very expensive, trying to buy less ewaste and focus my attention on these rare collectors items before they go to the moon.

[crimson vine]

lynx 1 or 2? my bro had the 2 and I had a 1, I always preferred mine

a bit sad I traded for a ps1 later

[trail kayak]

This is a great way to go about it. That's real preservation! Are you building out libraries of games too, or just going with modern methods?

[jade gull]

2

[jade gull]

I'm going for the entire 70 something lynx collection

I'm going everdrive pro for the turbo express

[crimson vine]

what is your high score on cal games bmx

[trail kayak]

You did something similar with PS2 and DC, right?

[jade gull]

I have flashcarts or SD card mods for NES, Snes, mastersystem, genesis, n64, PS2, GameCube, DC, virtual boy, gb/c, GBA, DS, ngpc, wsc

I'll do an SD card mod on my Sega CD eventually

Oh and burned something like 200 ps1 games for my psone

Will eventually buy and do the same with saturn and 3do

Still on the lookout for a jaguar too but those are insane

Trying to move through this list asap, the stuff is decaying and skyrocketing once refurbished

I don't think I'm going to go too far back behind the NES, mister fpga does well with the ancient stuff, c64, Ataris and arcades.

I'm so thankful I didn't get into arcade colllecting

If i get any cabinet it'll be an NeoGeo mvs

And I'll throw a flashcard in that

But, I'm no solder pro and those cabinets take passion to maintain

I'm probably at a place now where this collection needs to be captured for insurance purposes

[trail kayak]

Yeah, sounds like it! That's shaping up to be a pretty good library/museum of the last few decades of gaming.

[errant gull]

`As far as price goes, the Ace 2 Pro is an amazingly good deal in China. The base version that features 12/256GB costs around $410, while the most expensive model (24GB/1TB) is available for purchase for just $550.

The Ace 2 Pro feels like the best OnePlus smartphone to date, at least on paper. Powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 processor, the Ace 2 Pro packs 24GB RAM and 1TB of internal memory. Cheaper versions that feature 12GB RAM and 256GB storage are available as well.`

[heady badger]

sure

[errant gull]

https://www.phonearena.com/news/oneplus-ace-2-pro-official-specs_id149799

[heady badger]

if only the OS isnt so shit

[errant gull]

Makes sense as a price comparable for the Odin 2

Although it's got a fancy 120Hz OLED

[heady badger]

But OnePlus got a massive backing and money to buy

Not sure Ayn can.

Oh wait, they are part of Moore chip or something so it's actually possible

[celest dragon]

Worth mentioning their gauging community preference on carry case colors atm and Nicole let us know testing is SOON

[slow cloud]

It's still not like they're some massive company. They make AYN, Retroid, and some car stuff (NexAdas) which... Doesn't seem to be that popular.

[ember plume]

For me the thought of playing PS2 and above 3D games just is not enticing enough to need a beefy handheld.

I love the oldschool stuff, but venture into the 3D realm and really, just would rather play Cyberpunk 2077 or something modern.

So I guess I am happy with Odin,

[errant gull]

#931640567035744337 #931640603119329340

[celest dragon]

PS2 and 3DS is where my all inclusive handheld would be there isn't anything else I need. Switch would be nice but really I want to play the games I grew up on, even the terrible ones.

Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Star Wars Battlefront.... Ahhh memories

[ember plume]

All games that are on modern consoles too pretty sure.

But yeah if you don’t want to rebuy them again.

[urban carbon]

8000 mAh battery confirmed just now

[heady badger]

😮