Miyoo Flip

[subtle mango]

I'm considering the $20 adapter that KZ sells

[jaunty storm]

This is the Bluetooth dac I have

[subtle mango]

IT'S THE SUPER NUGGET

[timber spindle]

what adapter is this?

[jaunty storm]

A certain aussie might call it a nugget

[subtle mango]

A Bluetooth Wireless DAC (for fancy fussy headphones)

[timber haven]

I need to pick up a pair of IEMs for day to day use, my good cans don't leave the house unless I'm on a trip. They're big & wicked loud (& the public definitely doesn't want to hear what I'm listening to lol). Need to find something that doesn't scoop the mids (or can at least be eq'd up)

[subtle mango]

Zero, get some KZs

the mids are scooped a bit but not bad at all

[timber haven]

Yah? Those edx pro?

[subtle mango]

I can't speak for those

[jaunty storm]

Basically it is a Bluetooth dac/amp that has a audio jack so you can get high quality audio for your wired headphes/iems from modern devises with Bluetooth but no audio jacks

[timber spindle]

then why you recommend........?

[subtle mango]

I have the ZSN pros

[timber spindle]

oh whoops

that was the one i was looking at

my bad

[jaunty storm]

My iems

[subtle mango]

dyslexia is common among our kind

[torn marsh]

Eh the flip is never coming out anyways, we can just leave this channel to the audio nerds

[timber haven]

Nice, I'll look into them 👍

[subtle mango]

blue raspberry candy buds

[jaunty storm]

You mean the v90 2?

But cheaper looking

[subtle mango]

how the hell is it looking cheaper than the V90?

[jaunty storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101304832276562012/1242026450463490058/-5471281212441148555.mov?ex=664cff85&is=664bae05&hm=437103dd25afa68c712861db8ba272696918e95d066c30790bab2484eff6c652&

How it looks so far

Maybe they will make it better but we will have to see if it comes out

[timber spindle]

@jaunty storm @subtle mango I bought one each: One Zero 2 and one ZSN pro

[subtle mango]

the clap isn't as hollow so that's good

Dogoo has a burning wallet

[jaunty storm]

Man what what miyoo thinking with that huge logo

[timber spindle]

doggo is stupod

coz he wants to buy 2 SPs

[subtle mango]

Tism wallet mode

[timber spindle]

and also want to buy 4090

when he already have 2

[ember laurel]

miyoo marketing department: "we gotta show people our logo"

[silk sentinel]

i have aria snows 🙂

i like em

[jaunty storm]

I never heard of aria snows

What are they?

Oh one of those more expensive iems

[silk sentinel]

yez

decent iems

[jaunty storm]

I wanted something chep but decent

[silk sentinel]

i didnt know they were expensive though

i saw others listed for more xD

[subtle mango]

IEMs are a money pit after a while

[jaunty storm]

sure you can spend 1,500$ on iems but do you really need to?

[subtle mango]

fuck no

[timber spindle]

you mean yes

[subtle mango]

I don't think I'd spend at max $50 on a singlular pair

[timber spindle]

you need to spend 10k NZD

for a good pair of headphones

totally worth it

only need you kidney

[subtle mango]

nah my cans are a pair of SuperLux HD681s

'roun $40

[jaunty storm]

I do have a pair of beyerdynamics lying around

[subtle mango]

the most expensive headphones I have are a pair of SteelSeries Nova1 wireless(I cant rember) that I got for half off on clearance

[jaunty storm]

but I would never take my beyerdynamics anywhere

[subtle mango]

they were normally like $100

[jaunty storm]

those are home headphones

[subtle mango]

I wouldn't take my superlux's anywhere because they're semiopen

[jaunty storm]

they are big,heavy, and I want them to last

[timber spindle]

I just bought the pro 2s. Like it's 2 dollars more

So it was a no brainer

[teal peak]

They kept the "stars" button! Nice

[onyx minnow]

The nails bit did crack me up this morning

[ember laurel]

‘We love your creativity’ lmfao

What is this interface from anyway

[silk sentinel]

telegram

[rotund ember]

Ahhh, we bullied the long fingernail guy

[night raven]

Thank god, the long nails in marketing material has got to stop

Bully him harder

[onyx minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/fin-typing-with-long-nails-how-do-you-type-gif-10840142

[night raven]

🤢

[onyx minnow]

In fairness Nicole gets a pass

[topaz swift]

Jumpscare

[onyx minnow]

Unless thats a dude?

[topaz swift]

Yeah that’s AYN Nico

[night raven]

I was told that is in fact not her hand

Just posted by her

[onyx minnow]

Miyoo guy strikes again

[winged bear]

pretty sure the long nails on men is a cultural thing

[topaz swift]

Yeah something along the lines of long pinky nail = not doing physical labor / worker class

[night raven]

We kind of get that from the pale skin and the effeminate hand

[topaz swift]

Yeah they should trim their nails and wear some fat chains instead

Not meaning to make this sound hateful

[night raven]

They could just take photos of their devices leaning against something on a table, don't even need to include a weird hand

[topaz swift]

Agreed

[worn flax]

ZPG pro and Lao Zhang's foot

[still belfry]

Wtf lol

[onyx minnow]

Ewww is he rubbing his feet on our handhelds

😂

Guess if it arrives smelly we know why

[gusty latch]

Saw a stutter in sm64. Video on Twitter had trouble loading later. Replayed the video. Still stuttered. What a broken website.

[rotund ember]

We need to ban the mouthfeel test until we know what the hell is going on

[opaque breach]

Yes, rub it against my handheld... YEs, yeS!

[timber haven]

@subtle mango @timber spindle thanks for the recs, ordered the zsn pro 2s since from what I'm seeing they're just slightly more refined pros. Also got a 4.4mm balanced cable, probably won't make a difference with these, but I didn't like the look of the stock one & my DAP has the jack so I may as well use it lol

[subtle mango]

That's fair, hope you enjoy

[final hare]

next someone should say "his fingers are too long please cut it a little bit" and they spend weeks trying to figure out if their translation is wrong

[modern delta]

Lol

[timber spindle]

Does the ZSN need a seperate cable purchase???

[bronze forge]

Mine sure didn’t when I got it, but it’s been a while

[timber spindle]

ah crud

i need to buy cable it seems

or not....just checked

[bronze forge]

The cable is definitely a separate item you can replace, but mine came with it.

[jaunty storm]

iems should always come with a cable I think

[subtle mango]

They should come with a standard 3.5mm cable

[timber spindle]

Crazy idea...............but Miyoo Mini Flip with ONE joystick, and on the right where the other joystick is, use that space for a small slider ala PSP (i know this will make the community hate me) BUT coz its a smaller slider, you have space for 2 more buttons, but need new mobo of course. Your ending result:
Clamshell
6 buttons for Genesis and N64
A small slider for those who needs it for whatever they need second stick for.

[subtle mango]

why does this doggo give me hope like this

[ember laurel]

what 2 other buttons do you even need?

presumably the sticks are gonna click so thats youre whole basic controller layout covered

already has a menu button center top

also I think anyone looking for a slider because of their familiarity with psp wouldnt enjoy it being on the wrong side

I personally dont mind sliders tho, I actually quite like the later psp models, I actually think they would suit a device like the miyoo flip more than most

[chilly thicket]

n64 without 6 face buttons sucks

also arcade, 6 button genesis, saturn

[ember laurel]

ah that

I think with proper rebinding support thats not really an issue

[chilly thicket]

I hate dealing with C buttons in n64 tbh

I come up with one good rebind for one game and it doesn't work for the next, or it works for combat in OoT but sucks for playing ocarina, etc

[ember laurel]

yeah, n64 is a wierdo

[chilly thicket]

some games right stick works as C buttons if it's just for camera control or whatever and then the next game it sucks

[timber spindle]

Retroid 2+ had a slider on the right. Although the community hated it lol

Same concept here

[timber spindle]

Coz this is more realistic than dual screen handheld

It's an abomination but it legit covers all the retro stuff

[chilly thicket]

tbh I don't see the point of having ideal n64 controls on a 3566

I'd rather have ideal n64 controls on a t610 (rp1s wen)

[subtle mango]

make it horizontal and I'll agree

[ember laurel]

yeah i cant think of any reason someone would wanna have a slider only on the right

[chilly thicket]

god if I could just get a 2S with a 4" screen instead of the big chin and trade the right stick for 2 more face buttons...

instead any future retroid horizontal will just be even more dual stick 4 face button focused because it'll be for PS2 primarily

[ember laurel]

there will be 1 n64 focused console

and itll probably have some crappy drawback but youll have no other choices

if we got the anbernic arc we can get that too

[chilly thicket]

honestly I'll probably just get the 8bitdo n64 controller when that comes out alongside the analogue 3d and just play n64 on my ipad.

or laptop

[dawn bone]

Presumably? Considering they made it on the a30 so that it’s not wired, I think it’d be better to assume for now that you can’t

As in not wired properly/in a way that the stick click is registered

[ember laurel]

I think its better to assume that you can, because its rarer for sticks to not click on these devices

one odd quirk of a recent console doesnt negate that

[dawn bone]

I’d say a recent console from the same company holds more weight than any other device

[ember laurel]

by not wired, do you mean that it doesnt have a headphone jack?

[dawn bone]

No the l3 on the stick

Or clicking the stick, whatever you want to call it

[ember laurel]

ah ok

I assumed you meant the former, but yeah thats not a good sign I agree

I didnt actually know that, another point against the a30

[dawn bone]

#1101304832276562012 message

Talked about before this message but this is the most recent discussion of it I found

[ember laurel]

oof

miyoo..

[dawn bone]

That’s why I’m not sure about the sticks in the flip having the click registered properly

[ember laurel]

you would be right to be weary of that

i wonder whats gonna happen if miyoo doesnt get it right with the flip

just in general, not just with the stick clicks

[delicate cloud]

I second this!!

[timber spindle]

@dark idol feedback to anbernic we want a 6 button device with a proper joystick too (so arc but also have proper 1 joystick)

[chilly thicket]

And a chip that’s more n64 worthy

[subtle mango]

if you want to play Golden eye and Perfect Dark perfectly

[fierce jacinth]

nice, i picked up a EW200 and loving it, my friend has the KZ and he loves it.

[timber haven]

Nice! First pair of IEMs for me. Been collecting FLAC for years & made some long overdue upgrades to my audio setup late last year to get the most out of them (well worth it), but my cans are not practical for on the go use so I'm looking forward to these.

[opaque breach]

I want a dual-hinge N64 flip!

[minor burrow]

Unpopular opinion, I would be really satisfied just with a 35XX SP with the MM+'s quiet mushy buttons. 🫤

[twilit ledge]

I would not call it unpopular

[hasty fiber]

Agree. I didn't get the sp soley due to the buttons

[minor burrow]

By themselves, the clicky buttons wouldn't bother me that much. But my playing habits limit me. Most of the time I play in bed at night, next to my wife, while she is already asleep because that's the only time I have time for it. So no matter how good SP is, it's out of the question for me.

[tacit star]

This is why I play the A30 in bed instead of the 28xx. I'm going to take my chances on the SP and see how loud it really is.

[drowsy kindle]

RG28XX isn't too bad as long as you don't need the shoulder buttons

[tacit star]

They're not that bad, but I do use L/R a lot. I'm sure there's a way to soften them, but I haven't cracked open that shell yet.

[bronze forge]

Got the SP largely specifically for the clicky buttons, but yeah it’s definitely a non-starter if you’re next to someone sleeping. Or honestly even someone awake who doesn’t want to put up with bs lol.

Even for me I wish they were softer, quieter clicks more in line with a Vita or something, but I’ll take what I can get.

[tacit star]

I'm excited for it! Clicks and all

[minor burrow]

It would have been a secondary handheld for me next to my 405V but after the reviews I decided not to buy it

[flat ginkgo]

Is this DOA now that Anbernic hit the market so strong?

[muted swallow]

If the software is done in a similar way to the a30 and no onion support might just be

[flat ginkgo]

How is this company so adept at ruining the goodwill they have with developers and consumers?

[tacit star]

I think it has to 1) be really really good and 2) actually get released

With some recent cleanup, A30 is feeling a lot better (no thanks for Miyoo themselves.)

Gives me some hope they might get the device itself right... Low expectations for software and performance optimization.

[subtle mango]

this one is up to god and I don't know who's praying

[tacit star]

If the SP is as good as it's being reviewed... I won't be upset if the Flip never gets released.

[ember laurel]

Im personally interested in the sticks

I wanna wait for them both to be out so I can pick which I prefer, but if the miyoo doesnt get some kinda release date announcement soon, Im just goin for the anby

[tacit star]

At this rate, I could even see powkiddy release a v90 successor (possibly with sticks!)

Everyone is going to want a piece of the flip action.

[ember laurel]

Powkiddy's been getting better and better as time goes on

Id like to see them try again with that, the time is right

[dark oracle]

yeah the nice thing about the rg35xx SP is that competitors will see the success of that device and realize peeps actually want that form factor

[tacit star]

Yeah. I didn't mean that in a condescending way. I think it'd be pretty solid.

[dark oracle]

I expect more clamshell handheld releases later this year, even if not from miyoo

[ember laurel]

the time is even riper for someone to go for the DS form factor

[subtle mango]

@timber spindle Dual screen handheld mentioned

[ember laurel]

did they ask you to do that

[subtle mango]

I might as well because they talk about a dual screen handheld all the time

honestly it'd be great to get an emulation handheld that is meant for DS and isn't compromised like the AyaNeo DS

[dark oracle]

if only

[subtle mango]

we can dream damnit

[timber spindle]

Someone mentioned dual screen

[subtle mango]

yes

[timber spindle]

Is it happening

[subtle mango]

sadly no but we must fight for it

[twilit sun]

How about 1 joystick to match the devices itll likely play?

3ds, dreamcast, n64

1 stick

[tacit star]

How about 3 sticks to confuse everyone?

[timber spindle]

But need 6 face button

[twilit sun]

True

[bronze forge]

No sticks, no buttons, you flip it open and there’s just an iPod jogwheel.

But there’s no MP3 support until CFW

[timber spindle]

But you keep telling me you don't want it unless os is there

[subtle mango]

If the OS is there, and it's not stupid expensive I'm in

[timber spindle]

have you bought the SP yet

[subtle mango]

Yes

[opaque breach]

EmulationStation with a good amount of unlocked configurations, generally can serve a regular player well.

[dawn crag]

any latest rumours/leaks about this thing?

[proven jay]

aside of the 2 video that shows choppy mario 64 and the emulation station? not much
tbh if anything those videos show how much the handled is green

[lilac heart]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-time-pass-gif-9298440535445932845

[timber spindle]

traitor

[subtle mango]

You should know I will buy all the clamshells that come out for the hobby

minus the X86 clamshells because, I don't have that much dosh

[timber spindle]

you must

otherwise its not all

[subtle mango]

(all clamshells under $300 MSRP)

[timber spindle]

or this at me #1239395181615255612 message

[dusty pecan]

im skipping the flippy anbernic, because i have a sneaky suspicion that im gonna end up preferring the mini flip

im really hoping the mini flip will end up thinner than the anbernic flip

if its thicker than an actual gba sp im not really all that interested tbh

the proportions just dont look right to me that way

... but i am genuinely worried that this will be the same mistake i made with the p60. waiting endlessly for something that gets stuck in development hell

[jaunty storm]

Could have been worse you could have been waiting for a ktr1

[dusty pecan]

heeeh, yeah... true

For some reason Miyoo designs really speak to me and the P60 looked like a perfect ultra-compact handheld to me, so i skipped over plenty of other handhelds, which in hindsight must look really silly

[jaunty storm]

I do feel like miyoo has taken too long tho and now people are crazy for thr rg35xx sp which is not good for them after their last devise failed

[dusty pecan]

im just really glad there is that much competition in the first place

that always benefits the customers

[opaque breach]

In theory only

[subtle mango]

Always in theory

[chilly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-curry-space-capitalism-laughing-hysterically-smirk-gif-21230907

[dusty pecan]

any examples of how it hurt the consumer?

[chilly thicket]

Video streaming going from Netflix as a great alternative to cable to just being cable again with every publisher network having their own service, every publisher trying to run their own game store and pulling shit off steam, duplicate services like utility lines/mass transit all over for industries where a (public/state) monopoly would actually be far more efficient and easy to use, the loss of dual mountain passes for big white and silver star when they stopped having common ownership, the race to the bottom on fast food quality, this hobby getting flooded by fake rgb20s clones.

Standards proliferation

[dusty pecan]

Huh, good argument

[dusty pecan]

Still a good thing to have a few flippy handhelds to choose from

[teal peak]

Good point on the game services. I guess it is preference. But you can't forget that all of this stuff we have now is a consequence of that competition and free market. The problem you are describing is that we have so much good stuff that is too hard to access all of it. Not a bad problem to have at all.

I'm not touching the public transit point. My rage for PT would kill all the vibes here lol

[jaunty storm]

now piracy is on the rise in the age of endless steaming services

[worthy kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-laughing-funny-as-hell-gif-18044752

[jaunty storm]

also most of the streaming servesis after the splits are having profitability problem because of how fragmented they are

[haughty dune]

We don't have competition or a free market anymore, though. In all but a few cases we have monopolies and the illusion of choice being offered by various brands all owned by the same 1-2 holding companies because the ultimate end of any free market system is one monopoly that survived by eating all the others. The only way to counter this is by robust regulation like Teddy Roosevelt did, but that becomes difficult because money=power to get the law changed in your favor.

[gusty latch]

Subscription TV streaming more killed rental and broadcast television rather than vaguely "cable"

YouTube also kinda played a part in it

[teal peak]

I don't agree with this sentiment, when I look around at everything I own; 99%+ of all items I own come from industries with many players and choices. The monopolies are only a few exceptions like my PC and Phone operating systems.

[dawn stream]

You can disagree with the statement. But you'd be wrong.

Having Many players and choices doesn't matter if the vast majority of the market is two choices.

[haughty dune]

It doesn't even have to be a straight monopoly. If enough of a market is controlled by a few people they can form a cartel that rather than competing will divide up the market and work together to keep wages down and prices high. Go ahead and look up how few companies control everything from telecommunications to beer, and every time two of them merge (which is inevitable) it will lead to more layoffs and higher prices.

[teal peak]

No it's not. If you personally choose to buy everything from super corporations, thats your choice and you aren't locked into that. The vast majority of literally everything I own come from companies that cannot be considered a "monopoly" or part of a "cartel" by any stretch of the imagination.

[teal peak]

I acknowledge there are some limited choice industries that are typically tied to infrastructure and heavy regulation, like in telecommunication, but those are the exceptions. Lets use your beer example. There are literal 1000s of beer brewers in the, likely dozens local to you I'd bet. You have choice.

[haughty dune]

"The vast majority of literally everything I own come from companies that cannot be considered a "monopoly" or part of a "cartel" by any stretch of the imagination"

[crisp peak]

Any news?

[night raven]

A lot of it is the illusion of choice and the illusion of branding all under the branch or umbrella of one company. If you walk into a typical Walmart for example, sure there's like 40 different cereal options and "brands" if you ignore that they're all owned by like three. Same thing can be applied to hygiene products.

Blackrock 👀

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2017/1/44782716_14855052301964_rId5.png

So many choices!

[dawn bone]

Why are some circled in red

[night raven]

The image's source is some stock rating website, the poster was just giving their thoughts on which brands were good to invest in or something, it's irrelevant

[twilit sun]

The answer to monopoly is not more monopoly

[ember laurel]

Why are we talking about monopoly

That game sux

[teal peak]

Its no illusion for me. I had choices for literally every thing I bought in my apartment except spectrum Internet:

Car: infinity
Bed: purple
TV: Hisense
Smartphone: Samsung
Food: Trader Joe's, Sprout's, and farmers markets (this nullifies most of your web)
Hygiene: mostly small brands from my CVS or Every man Jack
Furniture: Scandinavian Designs, Wayfair sellers, IKEA
Gaming devices: Sony, Nintendo, Valve, Asus, Anbernic, GPD, Miyoo, Powkiddy... (I have a problem)

If you are trapped in the big corporation "illusion of choice" that is simply because you are being lazy and want to do all of your shopping at Walmart. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. I said my peice 🙏🏼

[ember laurel]

yeah but those are all owned by the lizard people

sooooo

[opaque breach]

90% of them aren't sold where I live

Actually a lot of their subbrands are regional variants lumped in the corporate unbrella

[dusty pecan]

I definitely saw that one coming! Make it easier to pirate than just to subscribe and thats what people will do. They only have themselves to blame

... Im still waiting patiently for my flippy miyoo boy 😊😋

For anyone knowledgeable with the soc the flip uses, can we expect it to maybe do saturn at all? Or n64?

... Or even shenmue?

Well, shenmue is probably a bit unrealistic, but a man can dream

[subtle mango]

Dreamcast and N64 will be mostly playable but with some fiddling, Saturn on the other hand I have no sodding clue

But this is ALL based on if the software allows us to fiddle with emulator cores and graphics backends

So don’t hold your breath

[dusty pecan]

Oh well... Only time will tell, i guess

The more systems available the better tho

😊

[subtle mango]

In theory

I just hope the software allows for the fiddling needed with the 5th generation of consoles

[dusty pecan]

That would be awesome indeed

One thing is for sure tho!

... it should have more playable systems than an actual gba sp 😋

[subtle mango]

Out of the gate we should have up to PSX just fine, it’s just beyond there that CFW will have to carry on

[dusty pecan]

I honestly cant wait

I really hope this form factor proves popular enough to eventually grt us a fancy snapdragon equipped unit

Then even high end saturn should run well

[keen shard]

I was really interested in this when it was teased…when the rgsp came out I thought, “why get that when you can’t play everything it can emulate well because it doesn’t have sticks?” Then the rgsp came out, and apple opened up emulation on their devices.
Ordered an rgsp and am using my iPad for N64, PlayStation, and PSP so have no real need for this.

I wonder how many other potential buyers will be in a similar situation when this does eventually come out?

[dense oar]

Well plus, you know, like you really know, sticks on an sp form just sound like arthritis

[keen shard]

I was actually really excited for that, playing around with an SP it didnt seem, in my own very subjective opinion, like they would be that big of a deal or get in the way to much.
But again thanks to other developments most of my interest in this device has been sapped away.

[opaque breach]

same
second hand rg353p basically nullified my intrigue. yeah sure, you'd believe it right?

[dark oracle]

I've been using the rg35xxsp for a bit and it's a great device but I would still want something like this

the 35xxsp isn't going to replace my miyoo mini due to its thickness, which is kinda what I bought it for

and I still think sticks would be a nice bonus if there's space for it. function over form

kinda strange how a clamshell handheld with sticks could still end up thinner than one without. but I'm sure they compromised somewhere like thermals and/or battery so we'll see

all that said, I have not forgotten the launch of the A30 lol I'll definitely be waiting after peeps get their hands on the first batch before deciding whether to buy the miyoo flip

[tacit star]

I think waiting will be key.

If and when this gets released...

[dark oracle]

goes without saying these days

[tacit star]

I feel like even the SP reviews really hyped the device.

[dense oar]

Fwiw I think it should be hyped. It is actually a pretty good build quality, and gets so much right

This being a success would be a ok too. I think people will just be cautious after the A30

[tacit star]

Value for $$$ is really incredible with it.

I'm setting up an old 350p for my brother. Just going back in time 3-4 years and realizing that device cost me more than the SP. 🤯

I think the SP is so close to perfect. And, again, for the money, I can't fault anything because it exceeds expectations. But playing it just makes me want a perfect clamshell even more.

I don't have confidence the Miyoo will be it, but maybe a future Anbernic, or a Retroid will deliver something even better. 🤷‍♂️

[dusty pecan]

Ive always been fond of miyoo design

[ember laurel]

I like miyoos buttons cuz I like soft buttons

Not just in terms of rubber membrane, but ease to press

[dusty pecan]

I guess im the exact opposite there

I like it rough

The harder the better basically

[timber spindle]

@subtle mango bruh iems are awesome

[subtle mango]

Told ya

[timber spindle]

Never knew cheapish iems is competing with my expensive bt in terms of sound quality

[subtle mango]

Yup

Some I've found to be comfy enough to sleep in

[timber spindle]

I've just swapped the plugs to foam + filter

And now it feels like anc is on

[subtle mango]

Foam eartips alone is a game changer

Well it's PNC (passive noise canceling)

[timber spindle]

Why aren't these wireless..........

[subtle mango]

You can make them wireless

IEM wireless kits exist

[pale gyro]

anything on this yet?

[subtle mango]

Nope hence why we're just using it as IEM chat atm

[pale gyro]

Ok will come back in a week or two.

[subtle mango]

See ya then

[timber spindle]

The adapter is bulky

Also wired has better sound quality usually

[subtle mango]

I have a set coming in that I'm gonna be testing around with so we'll see how it goes

[dusty pecan]

Is the flippyboy the next p60?

[subtle mango]

probably

[dusty pecan]

Noooo 😭😭😭

Tram is coming late and all i want after my nightshift is to get home and keep playing the colorised hack of mario land 2

[subtle mango]

Good news, the wireless adapter I got has no major audio degradation, just the expected bit of wireless hiss before things start playing

[timber spindle]

which one did you buy

also im thinking maybe i keep the wires to be abit more....retro

[subtle mango]

The KZ AZ09 but make suer you get the one that matches your pinout on the IEMs

[jaunty storm]

have you considered using a sound nugget?

[timber spindle]

whats a sound nugget

[jaunty storm]

ah right you are not familar with that one aussie

a bluetooth dac/amp

[timber spindle]

The frig

How does this work

[jaunty storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLRPlv5H93g

this may explain things

[timber spindle]

It does and I'm confused

Not how it works, but why would anyone buy it

You are connected to the DAC instead of your phone, so it's still wired.

[jaunty storm]

I mean if you need the best audio quality without being plugged into the devise and it has high quality bluetooth

[timber spindle]

I have the KZ pro 2 so it SHOULD be the same?

[timber spindle]

Oh yea don't get me wrong I can see the appeal of it

I thought this was to remove the cables

[jaunty storm]

I thought you were looking for a way to get that good sound quality without attatching a bulky adapter right to the iems?

so a super nugget seemed like a option

[timber spindle]

Oh lol. Soz i was asking why my iems aren't wireless. And if there was a way to make them wireless......which is exactly what this does....

Altho.....I do know someone who would love this

Gonna get one for him as a gift

I'm a moron lmao

[jaunty storm]

will say I got a fiio btr5 due to dankpods and it has been kind of neat although sadly the clip broke on me so now I need to look for a new clip for my fiio btr5

[timber spindle]

You notice the sound quality???

[jaunty storm]

the fiio btr5 has a high quality bluetooth transeiver so if the devise can output a good signal it should be fine

I haven't noticed any issues outside of signals being cut off if there is a wall between the devise and the btr5

[timber spindle]

I just bought one lol

[subtle mango]

those are compatible

[winged bear]

having a cable into something that you put into your pocket and forget is really different from having a cable into your phone that you're taking out of your pocket all the time too

[dusty pecan]

any news on the flip?

[blazing prawn]

New news. There is no new news.

[dusty pecan]

Damn... 😭

Why do the handhelds i like most always end up endlessly delayed

[blazing prawn]

Lol, id just forget about this one and one day you'll be surprised.

Just hopefully it's not as bad as the a30 release.

[jaunty storm]

have you considered geting a rg35xx sp?

that is not delayed

[dusty pecan]

I know, it just somehow rubs me the wrong way

The back is to thick, doesnt look right to me

😓

[lilac heart]

Yes, it will be cancelled 🤝
After the major epic fail of releasing the A30, it's only going down for Miyoo.

[wind osprey]

if you think the miyoo will be any thinner with sticks you'll be unpleasantly surprised.

[dusty pecan]

I wouldnt count them out

Ive had their products before

All were really nice when it came to the thickness

[wind osprey]

sure, me too. I'm also just thinking of physics. Sticks have to go somewhere

[dusty pecan]

I suspect the flippyboy will be thinner than anbernics offering

[wind osprey]

and the anbernic has no real wasted space. Those recessed sticks have to fit somewhere

and either that means equal or more thickness or a smaller battery

[dusty pecan]

Im not arguing against it, just isnt for me. I think the miyoo one might be

The prototype and renders did look more like a handheld i would enjoy

But i guess we will only know for sure on release-day

[dusty pecan]

Unless THIS happens 😭

[dark oracle]

based on the renders and prototypes, the miyoo flip does appear thinner than the 35xxsp

[dusty pecan]

nods

If it releases, and against all odds, is thicker than anbernics offering i can still chose that one

But waiting patiently to see the other options seems like a good idea to me

[rotund ember]

Dunno, if I were waiting for a clamshell for years, I'd just get the SP. Seems like it's well built, performs nice and has CFW support

Whenever Miyoo comes, it will need time for better software and to iron out all the quality issues, and by then might as well just splurge extra $70 on that.

Again, that is, if I were a die-hard clamshell fan

[wind osprey]

yeah lets not kid ourselves and sa we're getting one and not the other.

[late field]

Not really, 3566 is old hardware

[dusty pecan]

Isnt it all old hardware tho?

Rare to see any have cutting edge high end components

Maybe the Odin 2, but those are rare indeed

Most tend to go with old chips, not that thats necessarily bad. For up to ps1 thats still plenty

[subtle mango]

most companies go for old chips because they're cheap and usually readily available so they don't run into supply issues that much

[dusty pecan]

Id love a portable little oled handheld with a beefy snapdragon

Saturn would rock in a clamshell

[opaque breach]

Man, oldschool Miyoo Mini, but with a Snapdragon

Or better yet, with Ryzen 7

[dusty pecan]

ooooh wow

even the performance of an sd 860+ would already be perfect for saturn

dreamcast too

doesnt have to be as small as a mini, but that would be cool

i would love the design of the p60

or the flip too!

something really compact and super easy to use

Imagine Policenauts, the translated and fixed version of symphony of the night, saturn bomberman etc etc all easily portable

that would blow my mind

[nimble portal]

how are you planning on sticking an x86 chip on something this small lol

[opaque breach]

No, I was just joshing
What it really needed was an AMD threadripper and an RTX4090 and liquid nitrogen cooling so we could play Xbox on the 2.8 inch handheld

[ripe nacelle]

Real

[delicate cloud]

Yeah I played enough Command and Conquer to know where this is going

[delicate cloud]

To each of their own programming environment

[radiant burrow]

Income chooses your environment lol

[dusty pecan]

how true

[timber spindle]

might be cancelled like the p60

[dusty pecan]

noooo

😭

[ocean heart]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-breakdown-dancing-make-fun-goofy-gif-17896028

[lilac coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[subtle mango]

The cycle of Miyoo

Waiting for cancel

[chilly thicket]

they stopped restocking the v4, the a30 flopped, p60 cancelled, if they can't make the flip happen they kinda are just withering away until the MM+ becomes obsolete

[torn marsh]

Miyoo is dead to me after cancelling the P60 anyway

[ocean heart]

I'm still in awe on how they got the a30 so wrong

[subtle mango]

I'm impressed they fucked it up so bad

[tacit star]

Did they officially cancel the p60?

Or just abandon it?

[jaunty lava]

How hard could it be to just have made and released the P60?
What the hell are they doing? Just mind blowing.
Then seeing how lame the a30 looks, and how damn much time it took them to get it out.
Just wow.

[tacit star]

Do we even know how big the company is?

[chilly thicket]

the p60 apparently was terrible

I mean think how bad it must've been to get cancelled given the a30 got launched lol

[jaunty lava]

Well, the question is, why did they decide to make it terrible?
The Mini is great. Just follow suit, more power, different design.

[chilly thicket]

I'm gonna guess they had issues with the p60 SoC

but yeah I still want that 4" 5:3 screen and a psp capable SoC in a flat pocketable candybar form factor from somebody - retroid pocket mini? powkiddy?

[lilac heart]

And the joysticks as well

Also heat

[chilly thicket]

hell the ayaneo micro would be it if it were sane priced and they had bothered to recess the sticks

maybe a little small for psp

[dusty pecan]

well, i know the guy who designed the miyoo mini and p60 (probably a bunch of their older handhelds, too) is a freelancer

he also works on the trimui handhelds

that blew my mind when i found out

they just have a guy come in, design a handheld, pay him (i would assume) and he isnt even fully hired by them and free to work for the competition...

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-9211712295268335918

probably the only person to ever officially have made any money on the p60

[tacit star]

That makes a lot of sense.

Probably got a freelancer to design the A30 years ago, paid for the initial work, and completely failed to complete the device.

If it was indeed years ago, that'd explain the outdated inefficient chip.

[dusty pecan]

i dont know, but it would make sense, it looks nothing like any of their other devices tbh

[tacit star]

They probably just don't have the talent to optimize the final product.

[dusty pecan]

when you look at their older handhelds to the more modern ones you can see a clear evolution of their products, how it developed over time, i just dont see that with the a30

[tacit star]

Definitely not.

It feels like it was designed in 2020-2021. (Because it probably was.)

Even MM was propped up by community support

I only see the Flip succeeding if community CFW gets behind it.

[dusty pecan]

i have a feeling they might

theres always been a certain "something" to miyoo products that make them quite enticing

even their worst products always had nice design

except a30 perhaps

but i guess we will have to wait and see

[tacit star]

100%. RK3566 has more promise than the A33, for sure. Still old, though. 🤷‍♂️

[dusty pecan]

yep... but if it offers what i need in a form-factor i enjoy and the price is good, too... im not gonna be able to resist ; 3

[timber haven]

3566 may not be my favorite chipset, but the ground work is already well in place for cfw support at least

[tacit star]

Yes. I think that'll help give CFW teams some incentive to support.

Loving the SP, so if it fails, I won't be too upset.

Given the price of the A30, I'm going to guess they'll want to compete with Anbernic directly and keep it close to whatever the SP is at time of release.

[opaque breach]

As close as possible, but it probably will still be a bit more expensive

[opaque breach]

3566 is from 2021
a33 is from 2014(!)

[tacit star]

I meant close to SP, not A30.

But yeah, noted!

H700 from 2021, too?

[opaque breach]

I think it's more recent with a more recent version of Android supported

Based on H618 which is still more recent but more low-end

[tacit star]

I also wonder if they're feeling burned by the A30 and it'll change their strategy, or if they'll just stay the course.

[proven jay]

the freelance designer stuff is wild

those handled sell the 90% for their design

[dusty pecan]

true

[rotund ember]

We don't know how it really works for others

Like I think GKD did devices designed by Lhao Zhang and software by Powkiddy (?? according only to Lhao Zhang)

We know several teams do Powkiddy devices, who knows if all of them are staff employees

I think someone also mentioned that IUX (used by some GKD devices) was originally named for three dudes who made it, maybe a community FW originally

[opaque breach]

?

[late field]

Powkiddy has software engineers?

[opaque breach]

Powkiddy is the least likely to have software engineers

Purely my conjecture but I think GKD and Miyoo are similar in that their software stack are done by individual enthusiasts

Powkiddy had direct involvement with CFW devs for a while before product launch

[rotund ember]

IIRC that one was also IUX-based

So maybe before loading everything off to JELOS/Rocknix, they were using a local CFW

I was even surprised to see there's a local CFW for Arc, but I couldn't figure out how to download it (should be hosted on billibilli)

[opaque breach]

rg-arc?

[dense oar]

Yeah it’s called GitHub /s

[dusty pecan]

i really wish the device-makers would bundle their devices together with the source code of their os

that would benefit absolutely everybody

[tall zephyr]

no source but drivers ... and there is 99 percent chance that it will be possible to run Rocknix ...

[dusty pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[rotund ember]

I think it’s called agarc, but that’s based off Google Translate

[opaque breach]

what's the source for this? i know my way around bilibili

though if it's not related to the miyoo flip in anyway, put the link in another channel

[rotund ember]

https://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=开源掌机&flux=1&tid=8997542064&pic_id=e80810cc7cd98d10ed80e90d673fb80e7aec9089&pn=1&fp=2&see_lz=0&post_id=150195470617#!/pide80810cc7cd98d10ed80e90d673fb80e7aec9089/pn1

[opaque breach]

Oh I think I know what that is

[subtle mango]

https://youtu.be/msjZTXATgXo

it's been over a year since this

[dusty pecan]

Oh trust me... I know

It reminds me to much of the p60. To close for comfort.

Both handhelds i want most... Afraid for none of them to Release in the end

😓

[lilac heart]

Soon it will be two years. It's normal for Miyoo 😎

[bronze forge]

It has to age on the shelf like fine wine

But like… one of those wines you open and maybe realize the whole batch is contaminated and unusable by the time it’s ready

[subtle mango]

just like the A30

[cloud crystal]

i forget this existed ngl

[timber spindle]

calling it now

cancelled like p60

[nimble portal]

bullshit

you think they saw how the 35xx sp sold a shit load of units and went "welp, pack it up bois"

they literally did a new "leak" the same week it came out

[timber spindle]

its ok. i understand the copium

[nimble portal]

let me put it like this

if miyoo doesnt do this, they are fucking stupid

[timber spindle]

doggo chooses not to believe because if comes, then doggo will buy one of each color

[subtle mango]

By this similar logic they'd see how the RP3 sold and release the P60

What chipset was the P60 using, was it the Helio P60 or am I thinking about something else

[onyx shoal]

I went ahead and bought the 35xxsp. Hard to turn down a handheld that has zero complaints and instead wait for a potential device that may or may not have glaring flaws

[tacit star]

They're smart to not release it right now, even if it's near ready. It's incredibly likely the software is going to be very bad out of the box, and they'll get ripped apart in another Miyoo vs Anbernic series of reviews on YT.

Maybe they were counting on a ton more SPs exploding and then they'll sweep in and try to save the day.

...as a happy SP owner, that was joke. 🫠

[onyx shoal]

What Miyoo vs Anbernic reviews? Do most prefer the 35xx to the Mini? I love my Mini, though a clamshell makes more sense for an ultraportable

[tacit star]

I'm referring to the 28xx and the A30.

If Miyoo had the flip out right now, it'd probably be a repeat.

Interesting hardware elements but poor chip optimization and no CFW options at release.

[subtle mango]

the CFW for the 35XXSP ATM isn't stellar

[nimble portal]

the helio p60 was likely cancelled for the same reason every other p60 device was cancelled: the p60 is a shitty chip that overheated easily

[nimble portal]

well the thing is that the miyoo flip is by all official info we have, a 3566 clone, and infact the last "leaks" show them straight up having an option to boot emulation station from within the miyoo UI

it WOULD have good options for CFW within weeks

before the device gets to people's hands, unlike the h700 which is only now getting more CFW attention

like 5 devices in

[subtle mango]

kinda for real, I thought the H700 would've gotten all the CFW attention real quick

but only after the 28XX has it really got a curve towards it

[torn marsh]

Uh what are you people talking about, the H700 got cfw attention a while ago, this stuff just takes time. Once it gets mainline support things will go faster

[timber spindle]

you must believe

in 6 button, 1 joystick clamshell device

[opaque breach]

with stacked shoulder buttons and neogeo pocket stick in place of the D-pad

[subtle mango]

and a built in hotpocket heater

[timber spindle]

add the dual screen too

[nimble portal]

ehhhhh i disagree, it took a long while to get going because most devs just refused to trust anbernic after all the shit they pulled in the past.
around the 35xx h things started to pick up imo

[modest surge]

the h700 cfw hasnt changed in months besides shut to sleep lol

knulli and muOS have been roughly the same progression wise and knulli arguably saw most progression 2 months ago

[winged bear]

the xx+ released like a month before the xxh and those were the first two h700 devices

it pretty much got cfw as soon as it could, taking into account it was an all new chip

[dusty pecan]

i would ideally want one in a color that arouses as little suspicion as possible

that way i can leave it on my desk at work ; P

[pale gyro]

Just read through the last week or so of comments. Some strange theories. Still no info on when it releases.

[nimble portal]

someone just asked support and they moved it to july :P

which guarantees nothing, this is the third time they movee the date

[pale gyro]

My count is 8 if we go off ali express "support"

[nimble portal]

wait fr?

[pale gyro]

Over the past year. Yes

[tacit star]

Do you think the A30 spooked them to not rush, or do you think they're kind of indifferent to that sort of thing?

[wind osprey]

i think they were gonna take ages to release this regardless

if the a30 had been a hit we would be saying "why would they release a new device when they have a hit in their hands?"

miyoo isn't anbernic

[tacit star]

Do you think that might have factored into the P60 never getting released? They found a "hit" with MM/MM+ and community support with Onion and just rode that wave?

Focused on V2/3/4, and keeping up with demand, while A30, Flip, and P60 were barely touched?

again, no idea how big Miyoo is compared to other companies

[wind osprey]

miyoo is small in comparison to say, anbernic

i mean, shoot they have issues keeping stock of all their products

[chilly thicket]

No I think the helio p60 was just a shit SoC and they were wrong to ever try and use it

Which interestingly enough is kinda also true with the a33

[winged bear]

what's the thing with miyoo and junk chips though

[torn marsh]

They are cheap and a small company

[chilly thicket]

I want a p60 but with a t610

[winged bear]

p610

[nimble portal]

yeah but they released a device with it, maybe they had misplaced confidence in it working on a smaller device lol

[chilly thicket]

The a30 completely as is would’ve been a perfectly fine device in like 2021

Just got delayed until it was already obsolete

[winged bear]

what's with the watermelon, pope?

[winged bear]

bon appetit

[warm basin]

🦴🍎🍵

[chilly thicket]

In the era of steam decks, ally X, lenovo legion go bananas aren’t big enough for scale anymore

[winged bear]

lmao

[bronze forge]

Plantain for scale

[dusty pecan]

Or a sd870+

Except, not the sd888 please

[subtle mango]

I'd take the T610

[dusty pecan]

What about the dimensity 1100 or 1200?

Those would be real nice

[subtle mango]

if they run cooler than the T610 then sure but the thermals are the concern

[dusty pecan]

But surely performance has to be important, too?

The d1100 is the soc on the retroid pocket 4 pro

So performance would be great

Ps2, gamecube etc

A pocketable system that can emulate those well was always a dream of mine

[subtle mango]

that would be super neato but I don't think they'd be able to tame the thermals in the size they were going for without active cooling

the D900 would totally be tamable

[dusty pecan]

youre probably right

[nimble portal]

more than it burning your hands? no not really

[shadow star]

If even the 35xxSP gets hot then anything stronger than that will be a hand warmer

[chilly thicket]

It doesn’t get hot

It gets barely noticeably warm

[shadow star]

Oh, I thought Russ said it does get noticeably warm in his impressions video which is not great for such a weak chip

[dense oar]

Maybe on really demanding games, but for what it excels at no it doesn’t get hot

[opaque elm]

Agreed. I don't notice major heat so far. I wouldn't use systems that would majorly tax it anyhow.

[wind osprey]

ive been playing FFIX with a lot of Fast forward and don't really feel it getting noticeably warm

[soft gorge]

Dank pods mentioned 🗣️

[bronze forge]

Really? I feel it on just about anything PS1. It’s not like a concerning temperature or anything, but definitely slightly warmer than my hands.

And my hands tend to run a little warm if anything by default, so it’s not just that.

[dusty pecan]

Chips can be underclocked, undervolted and cooled passively.

Where theres a will, theres a way

My tablet can passively cool an sd870 at maximum cpu and gpu clocks constantly with entirely passive cooling

Lets just have it run at 70% of that performance and it would already be awesome performance

More so still with even more modern chips

Im sure we will eventually see ps2, gamecube etc in a small pocketable form factor

[dark oracle]

I know there are powerful mobile chips that doesn't throttle ever, but those aren't coming to handhelds any time soon lol

best we'll get for now for balancing performance and thermals is D900

[dusty pecan]

Which is already pretty damn cool, if you ask me

I just wish more handhelds werr using it already

[sullen vine]

Did this just get cancelled? Miyoo the abortion master

[nimble portal]

why would you think that

[sullen vine]

No news

[nimble portal]

that doesnt tell you shit

[sullen vine]

Link to something that tells me shit?

[nimble portal]

from 2 days ago

[sullen vine]

Good work errand boy, Imma let you know if I need anything else

[nimble portal]

no thanks

[winged bear]

what a nice exchange

[proven jay]

realistically speaking i guess that we need to count 1 month from the first video-production image, like for the a30
1 month-1month and half is very little time imo

[royal sandal]

It very well could just get pushed back again.

[proven jay]

i honestly think that the customer service guy doesn't have a clue of when the handled will drop 🥲

[nimble portal]

no not really, first video of a prototype was months ago

[proven jay]

yeah, and was a prototype indeed

[nimble portal]

https://x.com/miyoomini/status/1792466525774852255 most recent one was last month

Miyoo Mini Stock Alerts (@miyoomini) on X

Miyoo flip dual system switching

Miyoo mini plus: https://t.co/mThPVdq3sz

Miyoo a30: https://t.co/rXJ4bYAfRV

#miyooa30 #miyooflip #miyoominia30 #miyoomini #miyoominiflip #miyoo #miyoominiplus

Twitter · May 20, 2024, 8:04 AM

[proven jay]

i'm talking about video or at least image of the finished product

[nimble portal]

it shows the lid closing system and emualtion station

[nimble portal]

oh by the time we get those by miyoo, they are in reviewer's hands usually

[proven jay]

with the a30 we get first this

then around 1 month later the handled dropped

i expect something similar with the flip, not a shadow drop or anything, and less than 1 month seems unusual and too little time

[nimble portal]

as i was saying, by the time we saw this image, it was already in the hands of some devs and reviewers

we had pics of the review units already

[proven jay]

if you notice start and select they have still the wrong writing, for that reason i don't think is the finished product

[nimble portal]

i think thats a mould defect and they might not be able to fix it :P

[proven jay]

yeah, i know, is for that reason that i'm saying that we should wait something similar and then start to count 1 month

[nimble portal]

ok fair, i thought you meant official images

the leaks are not really leaks just FYI, its a miyoo employee responding on telegram

[proven jay]

someone from the onion team that is in contact with miyoo stated that the telegram/twitter guy doesn't really work for miyoo jfy

[nimble portal]

wait fr? huh

so they are real leaks?

[final oar]

Bro gets paid(?) to yap on twitter and telegram?

Yap and cap? Fr?

[proven jay]

i think is more a simply error

[proven jay]

guess they are out in china and this guy just post it

[nimble portal]

i know, im saying they cant fix that easily now that its on the mould

redoing those is expensive and fixing them is hard

[proven jay]

eh

#1104358896929349653 message

[icy gust]

are they really keeping that color pallete?

[lilac heart]

Nope

[vocal grove]

Its colored to show the different parts of the device

[bronze forge]

Yeah it’s just a CAD view. It looks like that so the modeler can tell where one part of the assembly ends and the next begins.

I hope it really ships with a stars button though

That’s awesome

[unreal vine]

Would it be so bad if they did?

[bronze forge]

I don’t think I’d get one, I’m really picky about having dark colors around my screen to minimize perceived bezels, but I’d be so happy if they actually just released one like that

Bubblegum Flip

[proven jay]

I'm honestly more curious about the size, apparently it supposed to be smaller than the 35xx sp

[inland brook]

I would die for the bubblegum flip with a stars button 😂

[teal peak]

Even the renders have the stars button 😅

[ember laurel]

miyoo should release it as limited edition

[vocal grove]

Anything miyoo releases is limited edition

[tacit star]

Definitely. My A30 is the hottest device of the year! 🥵🥵

[frigid arrow]

Let's hope it's not too long before this appears. RG35xx SP has been really well received, so they'll want to start getting this to reviewers soon.

[night raven]

All my hope is gone, crushed by the weight of the last year of silence

[bronze forge]

It’s Miyoo, never have hope until you see a post that you can buy one right now at like 2:30 a.m. so everyone else is too asleep to snipe you.

[dusty pecan]

is the A30 being sniped?

[bronze forge]

I think the ones from their official store are because they still only put out like a couple hundred at a time.

Idk if they’re easier to find from third parties

[dusty pecan]

but why is anybody even buying them?

[bronze forge]

I kinda like the way it looks personally. I’m not buying one, but I bet a lot of people don’t get any further than that before they just click buy.

[chilly thicket]

If I were a reseller I’d be very mad at miyoo for expecting me to be able to move the a30

[tacit star]

Miyoo should have never shipped the A30.

I bet it really impacts their Flip launch, if it ever launches.

That said, like most of these things, all it takes is a glowing review from Russ to bring the hype back.

[bronze forge]

If it’s half decent, there’s instantly going to be so much more demand than supply no matter who they’ve burned in the past

[tacit star]

Yes, back to 2am release tweets.

[bronze forge]

Just “clamshell with sticks” is enough to forgive so many sins

Like the x18s. People tried so hard with that thing lol

[tacit star]

The Allwinner A33 is the 8th Deadly Sin.

I hope it's released and I hope it's great.

I won't buy one, but I'm eager to see it and I think Anbernic does well with competition. Just don't care for sticks personally.

You have to imagine powkiddy is working on a clamshell, no?

With the influx of RGB30 and 20SX $$$, I'd be shocked if they weren't looking at the flip hype and trying to refresh the V90.

[bronze forge]

I’d love to see them try dome switches this time

[frigid arrow]

Just wait. Powkiddy will pull a Crazy Ivan and put a D900 in a V90 shell, just because they can.

[tacit star]

Ha! D900 with 1:1 720p screen.

I think after the Cube we're about to enter the Frankenstein era of handhelds

See what sells and mash them all up.

[frigid arrow]

Lots of potential options still

Do a 6 button device capable of doing all of Saturn and N64.
Do a cheap touchscreen device for affordable DS.
Do a dual screen or portrait display for DS/3DS/arcade.
Do a powerful clamshell.
Do a clamshell with a keyboard, a more powerful less silly/enthusiast Pyra.

[chilly thicket]

I’m down for the 6 button Saturn/n64 one, the powerful clam, and the portrait one

[tacit star]

I think a 4:3 N64 themed Anbernic handheld has to be coming soon.

Possibly with the joystick being set in an octagonal well.

[winged bear]

they already have the cardinal snapping so no r&d to be done there

[chilly thicket]

I'd buy an n64 handheld from retroid before I'd buy it from anbernic because you know the retroid one will have a better stick

[proven jay]

i was about to say "can you just buy a 3ds for the second one?" and noticed that in the last couple years the 3ds skyrocket for some reason.
I bought mine from cex for 70 quid, n3ds

maybe a flip handled with touchscreen can be a good middle ground for the ds and 3ds

[opaque breach]

Until EVERYTHING about the 3DS can get fully replicated, I don't see a point in dual screen handhelds being priced anything higher than the current 3DS market price, but that means I won't appreciate any dual screen handhelds in the near future at all. I don't like myself for feeling this way.

[ember laurel]

sorry i just had to

[opaque breach]

By EVERYTHING, I mean actual glassless 3D, the entire 3DS firmware, motion sensor and all three cameras, the whole shebang

[tacit star]

Oh, I LOVE the A30. I use it almost every day. But I won't recommend it to anyone, really. And I don't think Miyoo should be selling them without first fixing the software.

[ember laurel]

I know, I just like the screenshot d:

[subtle mango]

the clash of name and statement

[tacit star]

I'll defend the device, not Miyoo!

[ember laurel]

the a30 didnt ask to be born

its just making the best of it

[tacit star]

It's a troubled adolescent.

[subtle mango]

we let miyoo cook the A30 for like 2 years and what came out of the oven was a piece of crap

[tacit star]

I think they forgot to turn the oven on.

[subtle mango]

so it got moldy

[chilly thicket]

This is me with the rgb10max3pro

[subtle mango]

I'm still baffled that Miyoo let the A30 go like "yeah this is good enough"

[subtle mango]

oh man that's another handheld that had so much potential

[tacit star]

I think they got cocky when they saw the 28xx.

Or scared and just wanted to unload whatever stock they had.

[ember laurel]

maybe some higher up said 'we gotta compete with it'

[shadow star]

tbf, they probably didn't even want the kid in the first place but all their friends were having lots of kids so they were pressured into it

[subtle mango]

they totally got spooked when the 28XX was shown off

[ember laurel]

i doubt the engineers wanted it out in its current state

[subtle mango]

and then the XUmini is coming too so that really puts miyoo on the back heels

[tacit star]

I really think the A30 frame and buttons with the 28xx guts+ WiFi is what I wish we got from either company.

XUmini looks good, though!

[subtle mango]

I'm waiting for the Xu Mini because that chipset is good enough for a good chunk of N64.if the software allows for what I'd need for it

[tacit star]

I had a high school teacher who gave a lecture on the titanium lacrosse shaft. It was the best thing for consumers, but the worst thing for manufacturers. Once you bought one, you really didn't need another.

I think about that all the time with retro handhelds.

They don't want to give us the perfect device.

[subtle mango]

that's the mindset with all product categories

[tacit star]

💯

[subtle mango]

hell there's a theory going that companies make newer appliances to lesser standards now so that people will more frequently have to go get a new one

[tacit star]

It's like MacBook's insanely high price for soldered on RAM upgrades.

They don't want you to future proof.

[ember laurel]

yea as far as im concerned its not a theory its just business for them

theres no law saying they cant, therefore they do

[subtle mango]

sadly

[ember laurel]

the eu thing was a pretty big win though

[subtle mango]

remember when TVs would last eons

[chilly thicket]

Is it “soldered on” with apple silicon? I thought the memory was on-chip (which is also the direction intel is going for laptop chips starting with lunar lake, and does have real advantages…)

Or do you mean the old intel MacBooks/standard lpddr?

[subtle mango]

the old laptops probably

[chilly thicket]

(Which is also standard now in laptops lol)

[subtle mango]

fucking sadly

[chilly thicket]

Slotted ram does have real downsides though and realistically what percentage of laptops with ram slots ever actually had the sticks changed out?

[subtle mango]

usually never for most users, but damn the option would be nice

[chilly thicket]

Luckily we have options like framework now

[subtle mango]

like if I could chuck more ram into my cheapo chromebook I'd be buying more ram all the time

[chilly thicket]

But yeah including slots in 100% of laptops for <5% of users was not the ideal solution

[subtle mango]

probably not all the time but fuck those low end chrombooks are held back by that low ram

[chilly thicket]

Yeah chromebooks are a wasteland

[tacit star]

Yes, the M2's RAM is mounted on the chip, I think.

[chilly thicket]

Their primary users are not computer literate which makes it hard to justify internal upgrades

[subtle mango]

and yet chromeOS can add linux apps?

the platform is really confused

[chilly thicket]

Hard to sell a more expensive model with more ram to school kids/parents who don’t even know what ram is

[subtle mango]

hopefully Framework will release a more mid range chromebook option

[chilly thicket]

It’s really targeted to institutional purchasers like schools where you have a small cadre of professionals managing a fleet of machines for clueless users

I imagine individual adults picking out their own chromebook for personal use to be the minority on that platform frankly

[subtle mango]

it's hard for adults to size up to the thousands of middle and highschoolers who are forced to have em

[chilly thicket]

If lenovo made a decent budget one with a nipple mouse instead of a really shitty trackpad I’d get one just for DOSBOX X

[subtle mango]

I've had a couple lenovo ones and they were great

the biggest pro being killer battery life

[chilly thicket]

Boot straight into a win98 se install on an emulated pentium 2

[subtle mango]

I think the biggest issue with chromeOS is just, there's no software to bridge the gap between windows machines and MacOS machines

yes I know I'm one of those fucking weirdos who wants chromebooks to be good

[chilly thicket]

Yeah high end chromebooks kinda became irrelevant when the m1 MacBook Air was actually great for casual computer use

Cheapest MacBook they sell will be an endgame laptop for most casual users who just want to do homework/watch YouTube/check email

[tacit star]

Mid-range Chromebooks aren't bad. Can't beat the battery life.

[chilly thicket]

Not without going MacBook anyway

[subtle mango]

my ideapad 3 could go all day easily

[chilly thicket]

Arm supremacy

[subtle mango]

I think it had a 5k mah battery in it and a Celeron 4120

[tacit star]

I'd love to see mac bring back a more budget laptop.

[chilly thicket]

More budget than the base MacBook Air?

It already goes pretty cheap

[subtle mango]

~~that'd require them to stop being cunts ~~

I say that but I love my iPad

[tacit star]

Yes. I can't justify buying a MacBook Air for my kids, so they got a Chromebook.

[subtle mango]

I wouldn't be able to justify it for myself

[tacit star]

But if Mac had a iPhone SE of MacBooks, I would have done that

[chilly thicket]

I spent way too much money on a MacBook Pro this year. Debating whether I would’ve been happier with an open box lenovo legion go, a new phone, and a miniPC server

[tacit star]

Like their old plastic shelled lower end laptops.

[chilly thicket]

Weren’t those around the same price the cheapest air is now?

[tacit star]

Nothing beats a MacBook Pro.

[subtle mango]

the most I'll spend on a laptop (if I wasn't using it to make money) is $600

[chilly thicket]

I thought the old plastic MacBooks went away because they were able to get the air cheap enough that nobody was buying the plastic ones

[subtle mango]

it was probably more for company image

I remember the iPhone 5C got blasted for having a plastic body

[chilly thicket]

I liked the 5c, unfortunately I wasn’t due for an upgrade at the time (had a 4s)

I’m on a 7 now lol

Waiting for the SE refresh

[subtle mango]

waiting for the SE4?

[chilly thicket]

Yeah

[subtle mango]

I'm due for an upgrade this year

[chilly thicket]

I want usb-c but don’t want an expensive full iPhone

[tacit star]

Probably if you account for inflation. I kind of remember them being 699-799 at some point. With the metal chassis being 999+.

I want the SE4 to still be tiny, but the rumor is that it won't.

[subtle mango]

I'm waiting till summer sales to nab myself the new Moto G Stylus 5G 2024, that name fuckin sucks

[tacit star]

I want a small phone. Less than 5in.

[chilly thicket]

I want that too but nobody makes any

[subtle mango]

I've been infected by the phablet virus

[chilly thicket]

Apple even got rid of the mini

[tacit star]

Yup. I think they are out of that game.

[chilly thicket]

I like the idea of a folding phone once they mature more so I can get a phone that unfolds into a tablet

Instead of owning a phone and a tablet

[subtle mango]

I'm waiting for folding phones to not be $1k+

so maybe 10 years

[chilly thicket]

Yeah

[subtle mango]

also waiting on Motorola to do the book style folder

[chilly thicket]

I could maybe justify 1k since it would replace both my phone and my tablet.

[subtle mango]

I can't justify spending that much on a phone

even if it does replace my casual tablet

the laptop price limit also applies to my phones, so thank God motorola has agressive pricing

[tacit star]

okay... hear me out...

Instead of a folding phone... Miyoo Flip w/ slide-out keyboard and SIM card. 😂

**just trying to keep it topical to the room.

[chilly thicket]

I would 100% buy a GBA SP style clamshell where the top half was a whole phone

[tacit star]

like a square-ish screen?

[chilly thicket]

4:3 or square

I'm just picturing tiny phone on top, controls on bottom

as long as that actually worked as a phone

especially if I can use the gamepad to navigate the phone

[scenic hull]

the galaxy Z flip is like halfway there 😄

[chilly thicket]

yeah just replace half of the inner/main screen with a controller

this but the controls need to be real instead of a touchscreen

[scenic hull]

would also buy it yeah

[ember laurel]

unironically based

[tacit star]

I'd buy.

[chilly thicket]

might be hard to get a phone with a gamepad built in that still is as water/dust proof

[tacit star]

I'd want it to come from a respected hardware manufacturer.

Like a left field "N-Gage" play from Logitech or something.

[chilly thicket]

lenovo legion phone

[opaque breach]

They said respected

[tacit star]

I really just mean I don't want the ANBERNIC 35XX SP PLUS SIM

[drowsy kindle]

As a 3D stan I also want this

[opaque breach]

I actually really like using 3D, but only the eye-tracking one and not with too much depth

[frigid arrow]

Yeah. Plus it's nice to have one console for lots of stuff. And better screens. And various quality of life improvements you get with emulators. And, well, those old 3DS's won't last forever...

[chilly thicket]

plus 3ds looks nice upscaled

[frigid arrow]

This scene has ruined consoles that specialise in one or two systems for me.

I'm not a person who has or wants loads of handhelds. I only have two right now (big x86, pocketable ARM). So I now look at a handheld and just expect it to do loads of systems well to be worth it.

3DS just feels like, only runs a few systems well, screen awful quality, awkward firmware, DOA.

I guess I am the anti-nostalgia at this point. I just want modern convenience to run fun games.

[subtle mango]

The 3/DS line is one that I'm perfectly fine going back to original hardware for

[frigid arrow]

Let's be blunt though, in a lot of ways, it doesn't hold up to modern standards. Because it's not a modern console.

No shade against the 3DS. Obviously great for its time.

But we got options now

[topaz swift]

options with 10x less battery life 🤔

[night raven]

Buying and modding a 3DS and Vita was the best investment I ever made

Still the best way to play those libraries over a decade later

[frigid arrow]

I'm meh on 3DS now. But Vita, yeah, other than a small proportion of the catalogue it's not even close.

Modded Vita isn't bad even if you ignore the Vita games and just use it to emulate stuff.

[proven jay]

modded 3ds imo is pretty nice

particularly the new one
but i also like a lot the 3d feature

[haughty dune]

Options that cost 10x as much, don't fit in a pocket, and the bottom screen where a lot of classic DS games live is smaller than an XL.

[proven jay]

i just would like better screen available like for the gameboys

[haughty dune]

Can finally play Virtual Boy proper without making my eyes bleed.

[proven jay]

yeah, stuff like that, you can't do it anywhere

zelda a link between worlds or super mario 3d, you can play them flat, but they where made with the 3d effect in mind

[frigid arrow]

I meant that pic more to show the awful (by today's standards) screen quality, rather than that particular handheld.

[topaz swift]

i know i know

dont worry ;))

[proven jay]

same stuff with some game for ps vita, tear away, gravity rush and similar are made for ps vita and you can notice thst

at the moment would like to see a retro handled that can do pretty much all the other portable consoles, i guess that if this miyoo one doesn't drop this year i will just take the anbernic one for Christmas
but after that i don't reckon to buy anything else

[haughty dune]

How good the 3DS XL screen looks is going to depend pretty heavily on the game. If you're playing Phoenix Write or Professor Layton it's going to look beautiful. The only game I found myself wishing for a higher res screen was Xenoblade.

[ocean sage]

how is this channel still going lol

[proven jay]

did you ever use the regular 3ds? the screen resolution is the same of the xl one, so more dense

[frigid arrow]

Screens are about more than res.

[haughty dune]

Nope, my V90 started gathering dust as soon as I got it because even with glasses it starts to hurt trying to play on a 3" screen.

[frigid arrow]

You know the Swamp of Sadness in the Neverending story? This channel is like that, sucking in all hope.

[frigid arrow]

Man, that scene.

Who puts death by depression in a kids movie? Seriously 👀

[proven jay]

why the horse was depressed

[frigid arrow]

Maybe horse had dreams of being something more than transportation.

[summer garden]

Where are you now

[dusty pecan]

Is it released yet?

[dusty pecan]

😭😭

[dusty pecan]

Im severely bored

Miyoo you let me down!

I was supposed to be playing with my stealthy flippyboy at work.

I wasnt supposed to be staring at a wall! I was mesnt to play Tetris on an easily hideable, low-key handheld

What happened to you Miyoo? You used to be cool

[frigid arrow]

McNuggets Fried Chicken McDonald's Gameboy Peripheral Toys Tetris Handheld Console

https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ezs4j4J

[dusty pecan]

"Stealthy" as in people might actually think im holding an oversized nugget in my hand? 😅

[dusty pecan]

😋

[raw sentinel]

Powkiddy V90 exists

[dusty pecan]

I know, but it just doesnt feel right to go for an older product when the new ones are just starting to hit the market

[bronze forge]

Duct tape two v90’s together. We’re always saying we want a cheap Linux dual screen clamshell on this Discord.

[haughty dune]

[dusty pecan]

😭

[chilly thicket]

its called the v180 because when you see it you turn 180 degrees and walk away

[bronze forge]

Vamoose 180

[timber spindle]

Its been cancelled

the sooner you accept this

the sooner people will be happy and move to the next big thing

mcuh like the p60

[subtle mango]

https://tenor.com/view/darn-gif-26434577

[chilly thicket]

the p60 I'm mad about because there is no alternative from anyone else

the miyoo flip doesn't need to happen anymore because the 35xxSP is good

[subtle mango]

someday we'll get a P60 alternative

[dark oracle]

tfw I have one and still want this

[subtle mango]

same

but I just want all the clamshells

[steel turret]

on top of the helio p60 issues that plagued it, 4" (or rather, 3.97") 800x480 screens are kinda weird ngl! from what I can find, they're either rotated, archaic, or cost-prohibitive. While I do think that these issues (especially with the old ones) may not necessarily be dealbreakers, this represents another potential hurdle that would also affect a hypothetical alternative

or just get max zhou jealous of the p60 somehow, he'd find a way to make it work

[subtle mango]

a 4-4.5" screen with the T610 would be pretty run for a small PSP machine that could probably scale GBA really well (for those proper scaling nuts out there)

[steel turret]

while the t610 is performant and 4.3" screens do seem easier to source than their 3.97" counterparts, I would await this concept after the advent of the RK3576 - the t610's HDMI output on the 2S seems to be a retroid-specific solution, barring any other manufacturers from avoiding an rg505 situation, but a new RK chip would potentially enable many different players, especially as retroid seems less and less interested in the lower end of things.

that said, we have no idea what the thermal profile of an RK3576 would look like in such a small chassis, especially with its older architecture and larger number of big cores. If not the RK3576, an A/T523/527 or even an S905X5 / S928X(?) may be able to suffice, but the lack of hardware support from their respective birthers would be worrying. This segment has already been explored by powkiddy and odroid with chips from those companies, and the dismal situations they had to contend with arising from allwinner and amlogic may discourage others from giving it a go.

[subtle mango]

holy wall

[steel turret]

sorry (⌒⌒;) (⌒⌒;)

[subtle mango]

I think the general goal of a handheld like a P60 successor (best word I could find for it) would be solid PSP performance with some Gamecube and PS2 on the side

do we have a release window for the RK3576?

[steel turret]

It's been released, but it hasn't found its way into any handhelds. Mekotronics, one of the first adopters of the RK3588, has put it in one of their PCs(?), so I do believe in its eventual coming.

[subtle mango]

even if we get a SBC with the chipset that'll help us understand the chipset

[steel turret]

This is true, but the pocketability of a handheld with the appropriate controls to handle gc/ps2 (excluding the pressure sensitive face buttons bc that's just a tiny bit silly) may be compromised by triggers the p60 prototypes didn't have iirc. This could be partially rectified by the tmhf07 dual action tactile switches found in many handhelds made by the portabilizing community, which would enable sensitive yet inline controls.

[subtle mango]

the pressure sensitive buttons was the weirdest "feature" of the PS2

[steel turret]

people were clamoring at radxa for making the rock 5c lite an RK3582 instead of an RK3576 so they + others are more likely than not aware of the demand

[subtle mango]

I wish both was an option

[steel turret]

i'd say the RK3582 is much easier to incorporate in an existing board design like the rock 5c because it's pretty much an RK3588 but less (even pin-compatible!). new designs, which do tend to take time, would be required for an RK3576 board.

[subtle mango]

because isn't the 3582 just a cut down chip and the RK3576 a new chip?

[steel turret]

this is true to the extent of my admittedly paucal knowledge

[subtle mango]

I presume the 3582 is the budget model with less IO controllers on board and maybe some slightly cut down performance, I haven't looked into it myself

[steel turret]

it has a disabled gpu and 2 a76 cores

[subtle mango]

does the 3588 have more A76 cores?

[steel turret]

it has 4

[subtle mango]

ok

so the six other cores for the 3582 are A57 cores?

[steel turret]

no it only has 6 cores total, 4 are a55

[subtle mango]

oh

that potentially could be problematic for certain emulators

[steel turret]

the lack of a functioning gpu has led me to write it off with a heavy heart

[subtle mango]

it's probably for specific implementations and not a general purpose thing

[steel turret]

i'm sorry, I don't follow?

[subtle mango]

the chipset is more meant to be applied in certain places unlike the 3588 where you could put it just about anywhere and it'll work great

[steel turret]

oh yes ofc! i mean to write it off for emulation handhelds, where it may get outclassed by chips much cheaper than it

[subtle mango]

yup

and I think the dimmensity chips are coming down in price so they might have an upswing in popularity...for the android fans

[steel turret]

and if not those then genio chips are also an exciting development, many come with Linux support. on top of that, their display out seems to be quite sufficient!

[rotund ember]

RK3582 is RK3588 minus the GPU and with less CPU cores

RK3576 seems almost like RK3399 with two more A72 cores and a better GPU, let's hope it doesn't draw more power than that one

[lilac heart]

https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-happy-dance-gif-18982959

[sterile atlas]

WHAT?!

[rotund ember]

That was cruel and unusual

[subtle mango]

So in two weeks it's either gonna be released or canned

[shadow star]

They ain’t gonna can the one product that even Anbernic is having trouble meeting demand for

[subtle mango]

they're either making a ton of units to meet demand or they're struggling to get their FW working

[frigid arrow]

They did say they were aiming for a July release, right? That window starts in two weeks...

[subtle mango]

they've been pushing the release goal back for a while now

for a bit it was April

the last news we got was that they're in the last legs of testing and such, and that was like early may

[frigid arrow]

Aye, retrobreeze did a video based on a mock up of it over a year ago now.

Miyoo are the anti anbernic. Announce and then just go into hiding

[subtle mango]

then there's MagicX where they've been showing us all the progress and taking feed back from the community

can't wait for the XU mini

they Miyoo will show like one or two things then go radio silence

[bronze forge]

If the hinge is good enough for bigfoot, it’s good enough for me.

[shadow star]

So September, got it 👍

[shell wraith]

"expected" is the keyword here lol

[night raven]

It just keeps getting moved back

[nimble portal]

dont do me like this

[onyx shoal]

At the end of July:
Miyoo: "It is expected to release tomorrow."
The next day:
Miyoo: "Today is today. It is not yet tomorrow. Please wait until tomorrow."

[subtle mango]

Expect it to be canceled and be surprised if it comes to be

[proven adder]

see you July 2025

[subtle mango]

Alrighty, just remember I'm bringing jello Salad to the cook out that year

[fleet gyro]

GTA 6 before release

better later if they are perfecting it

[timber spindle]

before it gets cancelled