Miyoo Flip

[velvet beacon]

I see, thanks. I understand open source software. Was more wondering if Miyoo realized Onion’s devs potential and hired their team on

[elfin patrol]

Hiring an international dev team seems unlikely

[opaque breach]

An ideal solution would be a donation (one-time or long-term) and maybe early evaluation boards, but without strings attached. Or, the Chinese business way, which means invitation to a hearty dinner with select liquor, and boom, business established.

[vocal grove]

Hoping for a summer release🙏🏻🙏🏻

[subtle mango]

I'm just hoping for a release at all

[harsh ibex]

March 2025

[sacred wren]

3025

[lofty cedar]

The cfw devs do this stuff for their own interest, so probably more than just money, getting better access to both hardware and software would be a bigger deal to them. Look at the situation with gamma and the 556, he was interested to work on the device, but due to there being no means to create an unbricker he couldn't do so.

[lavish widget]

July the safest

[dusty pecan]

have there been any news on the flip?

[worthy kettle]

no

[wispy heart]

It's pretty amazing news; we're all still digesting it. If you scroll up in the channel you can see that no one wants to talk about it out loud.

[rotund ember]

Because we're all busy playing our Flips that are now sold out for the next 5 years.

Just quickly jumped in because mine's charging right now

[dusty pecan]

noooo 😭

awww, what a darn shame

[subtle mango]

You mean the retroid flip?

[pale gyro]

YES

haven't seen a Ali text responds in weeks.

[dusty pecan]

is that a good sign?

[pale gyro]

Zero of them have come true. So far

[dusty pecan]

Oh okay... 😓

[lilac heart]

Not so soon friend!

Still debugging!

[lilac coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[dusty pecan]

if i had eleven wangs id be cocky too

🤷‍♂️

[timber spindle]

Where my flip device!!!

[dawn stream]

Just buy a V90

[vocal grove]

“I want an iphone”
“Just buy an ipod”

[chilly thicket]

just buy a steamdeck and pretend it's a clamshell

[keen shard]

Buy a Saturn and pretend you took a trip to the planet

[subtle mango]

Go get Culvers and pretend you got tacos

[torn marsh]

You can actually fold any handheld if you are strong enough

[final oar]

You can actually screw a hinge into the back of any phone and it'll work perfectly

[dusty pecan]

i know the miyoo mini never got a large-scale metal housing version, but i do hope the Flip does

Thinking about just throwing something solidly metal naked into my jeans pocket is absolutely ideal for what i need

if push comes to shove and a metal version gets released later on.... i may just gift my plastic version and move over

🤔 ❤️

[lofty cedar]

Doubt they will bother tbh, it adds a fair chunk to the price and these are budget devices

[dusty pecan]

true, but there are always plenty of people willing to pay for it

[lofty cedar]

not to mention that clamshell is already sturdier

[dusty pecan]

at least always have in the past

[lofty cedar]

plenty seems like a stretch

[dusty pecan]

ive seen quite a few metal anbernic ones

more than ive ever seen people show off the plastic ones

[lofty cedar]

some will be willing to pay, but just compare the price of the 405m and 405v, that shell added about $30-40, the rp2s it added $50, those kind of amounts would be too much for a sub $60 device

[dusty pecan]

id pay that, i really think metal would fit perfectly

maybe brushed aluminium or brushed black anodized steel?

that would look sweet

[lofty cedar]

I'd like them to fully commit to that black and green colourrway that has been in the leaks, you can leave the sticks black but the dpad and all the buttons in green would be nice

[dusty pecan]

yeah, that would be neat!

an SFC or DMG colorway would be wicked too ; 3

[lofty cedar]

the white with skittles looked tidy too

[dusty pecan]

hm? hadnt seen any like that

[lofty cedar]

somebody needs to do indigo with white controls on some device tho

https://droix.net/blogs/en-gb/miyoo-mini-flip-what-we-know-so-far/

[opaque breach]

Old school camouflage color might be a good addition

[dusty pecan]

Kanye West got a camo DS phat from nintendo as a gift

[dusty pecan]

the pikachu one is cute!

id never go for that one, but i like it

[dusty pecan]

nope, i got it wrong, it was 50 cent

[lofty cedar]

eek, uglier than woddgrain

[dusty pecan]

honestly, i dont mind it, may be related to it being super rare and super valuable tho ^^;

[final oar]

Would be good to play brain age while in the loaders seat of an abrams

[timber spindle]

i can put two steam deck together

[umbral pendant]

My monitor and my Deck can become a clamshell if I squint hard enough.

[winged bear]

or if you bend the deck hard enough

[lofty cedar]

Anything can be a clamshell ... once

[keen shard]

Technically my Lenovo Loq16 laptop is a clamshell… just a tad to big and has a tad to poor battery life to fit in a pocket and be used all day for gaming.

[dusty pecan]

just watched russ's a30 review

its nuts that its such a clear step down from the mini

now im actually worried the flip is gonna be a dud, too

😓

I dont think i'd still want it if it struggles with SNES games

[lofty cedar]

it must be a bad os, the mm/mm+ on stock don't struggle that much and they have a weaker chipset

[dusty pecan]

yeah, could be

[lofty cedar]

could be complacency on their part, anbernic have been hammered for the XX firmware and have worked quite hard to improve it, but miyoo has been given a free pass for ages due to onion os

[dusty pecan]

yeah

but the dpad is bad, too

which is just... not great

[opaque breach]

(XX stock UI still has a lot of old issues that make it worse than the stock Miyoo UI imo)

[rotund ember]

Someone (maybe Russ, actually) made a good point that original Mini also tweaked the dpad/buttons with subsequent revisions

Like it wasn't that great from the start

[worthy kettle]

Russ at least mentioned that miyoo tends to do revisions

[lilac heart]

This is what happens when you killed the Miyoo P60

[rotund ember]

Don't worry, it will take them just five more months to fix the d-pad they already fixed before

Then they can get to their favourite pastime — debugging the Flip

But seriously though, every other post on /r/sbcgaming is about the A30 review from Russ, it's crazy

[chilly thicket]

Slow news week otherwise?

Like what else do they talk about on there besides the latest device? A few people try to trick noobs into buying the ktr1 from a dodgy reseller (the reseller being one of them who will do it without disclosing that it’s his store) and get shut down by people who know better, RGC reviews, and wishful thinking about a sub $100 ps2 handheld that somehow has full size sticks, analog triggers, a 5” 4:3 screen, and a massive battery while remaining pocketable

That’s basically the sub

[winged bear]

you forgot people having issues with their r36s

[chilly thicket]

I try to forget 'powkiddy but the great value brand version' stuff exists tbh

just buy a miyoo mini plus you animals

or a real rgb20s instead of a fake one

[winged bear]

me too, it's kinda sad cause there really seems to be a pretty high failure rate

although maybe it's user error

[lofty cedar]

when even mr nice is dunking on a device it has problems

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I think the only one he didn't like even more was the PK Max3 Pro

[chilly thicket]

X18s is the most negative I’ve seen from him

[lofty cedar]

he's been dismissive of others for different reasons like the XX 2024 due it being pointless, but there's even been some powkiddys where others were counting how long they'd last between resets that he still found positive comments for

[winged bear]

i mean he wasn't really that critical of this one

we just learned to read between the lines

[lofty cedar]

for a device that ticks so many boxes such small, horizonta and miyoo, it didn't do well with him

[winged bear]

yeah definitely, i could tell

but i don't think he has such a bad opinion on it

[lofty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-angry-gif-5711502

he basically did a video that could have been the above gif. 😄

[dusty pecan]

I still, unironically, love the design of the p60

The design cues taken from the psp 3000, the slightly dented inwards space for the buttons and dpad, the simple and functional slim housing

It was just such a cool design

[dusty pecan]

cool design, killed by rp3(+) and other t618 devices

[rotund ember]

Was it supposed to be 3:2?

[rotund ember]

Oh wait, it's 5:3

Hmmm, if priced $100ish and it could play PSP well, I think it could still do well, actually

If the DMG one had the same plastic and dpad as my DMG MM+, I'd very likely buy one, it's just very nice to the touch

Not seeing the PSP cues though

[dusty pecan]

I was secretly hoping theyd just stashed the design, waiting for the right moment/chipset to bring it back

[dusty pecan]

Zoom in on the buttoms. See how that round spot is slightly concave?

The psp 3000 did the same

I seriously love that aspect of the design

[rotund ember]

Weeeelll that's really subtle for a device that otherwise screams DMG

[dusty pecan]

The dpad is the same way. Slightly sunken in

[dusty pecan]

True... but i think it makes it look so sleek

[rotund ember]

Damn. Back when it was first teased, I didn't really care for Android stuff, so ignored it, and now I'm slowly moving through the five stages other people went through years ago 😄

[dusty pecan]

Heh, i know exactly what you mean!

I spent so much time lusting after the odin 2 and now that i finally have it i really want a smaller, more compact companion handheld to go with it

Something that i can keep in my pocket or maybe even my office desk without arousing to much attention

I could imagine that a flip would just blend in with the clutter of modern office life....but id STILL want something with the looks of the p60 😓

... Its okay. I can stop anytime i want... 😐

[lofty cedar]

While one device that can do everything is a nice aim, I do like the narrower focus of this device for that niche, another for something else

[dusty pecan]

Yeah! Exactly

No chance in hell would i EVER get away with playing the odin 2 at work

But.... the flip?? Oh yeah. Totally.

[lofty cedar]

I just ordered a 28xx and while it won't be heavily-used, it will live in my jacket pocket so I always have the option

[dusty pecan]

A handy little tetris machine 😊

[brazen parcel]

tbh i am waiting for gogamesgeek to get 28xx as i have discount there that could lover it below ali 😄

and will probably grab it to replace Model S as backpocket device

[lofty cedar]

only two devices I have ordered without having a niche for them were mm+ (already had 35xx+) as I wanted to try onion os and an mm just because

[brazen parcel]

i got MM+ by accident 😄

and after trying

i just sold it and came back to 35xx

[rotund ember]

Oh yeah, I got MM+ fully knowing I don't like verticals, just wanted to try Onion

[lofty cedar]

it's odd, there's not a huge difference in size, but the slightly taller 35xx just feels more comfortable

[brazen parcel]

as i found out it felt too fragile and ultimately found out that i mostly play outsideof wifi anyway anf not into ahcievemntts

[brazen parcel]

that too , totally

[rotund ember]

I feel like it's just a bit overrated when compared to other Linux CFWs (a lot of stuff it does is just a workaround for hardware limitations), but I really like devs' attention to details

[lofty cedar]

oddly, I might find the mm more comfortable due to it being so much smaller you have to adjust how you hold it, whereas the mm+ is big enough you try to hold it like a normal vertical

[rotund ember]

Like they did a night mode recently (reduced blue light) — no other CFW really bothers with stuff like that really

[brazen parcel]

yeah in my case it would be Funkey S 😄 ... its just so novelty kind of device

[lofty cedar]

it'd be really nice if the onion guys were unleashed on a more capable chipset

[brazen parcel]

and probably would be the gkdpixel too .. if the EVA colour ever is available ... i would probably grab it just for that

[lofty cedar]

even the surrounding dev support is impressive when you have stuff like that desktop tools app for updates etc

[rotund ember]

Yeah, improve networking stuff (better scraping, faster file transfers), add portmaster (basically the other crown jewel of Linux handhelds), and it becomes something incredible

Oh, and working BT audio

[lilac heart]

Welcome to the club 🙂 Me too!

[dusty pecan]

At least im not the only one then ; 3

The d900, the p60 shell and id already be a happy camper

I personally wouldnt even need the big d1100. D900 would be more than enough for me

[chilly thicket]

d900 might be a bit spicy for a shell that small but honestly I would love a small flat pocketable candybar that can actually run PSP well

p90 but with a t610 even

[lofty cedar]

nobody is going to make another t610 device, it would have happened by now

[chilly thicket]

g99?

I guess that's gotten really cheap

[rotund ember]

I mean, there’s basically two other companies who could’ve done a cheap Android device — Anbernic and PK

[lofty cedar]

It feels like anbernic don't see the point, that midpoint seems to have vanished at this point outside of still selling existing stock of t618

I guess if all their stuff is either comfortably low end or t820 you would avoid the chance of somebody opting to pick that $100-120 kind of device over the $150+

While some might step up from the budget to mid, their bigger concern would probably be not getting stuck with dearer stock where power is one of main selling points and thus it has more of a sellby date

[chilly thicket]

They started the t820 gen on the top end with a 5.5” OLED

The rest of the t820 devices will be cheaper and obsolete the t618 stuff when they come later

[lofty cedar]

You'd still expect the cheaper ones to be close to $150 as well though, outside of perhaps the later 3rd one

[chilly thicket]

We’ll see

[rotund ember]

Yeah, technically not a lot of sense for them to make a T610 if they still sell T618 devices

[timber spindle]

p90?

[chilly thicket]

cancelled miyoo project - by all reports cancelled because the SoC was an absolute mess but the shell looked 🔥

that's a 4" 4:3 screen

so that would be a super pocketable psp/gba machine if you could get it with a more normal SoC

[torn marsh]

Why can't it be real

[timber spindle]

i thought they only had a P60

[chilly thicket]

oh I mistyped maybe?

yeah, p60

[timber spindle]

thats why im like............THERES A CANCELLE p90????

that would have been dope

[final oar]

Bullpup v90 with the screen in front of the controls when

[lofty cedar]

while cancelled it could stil show up eventually, at their current rate of release, probably about 2028

[dawn stream]

they can recycle the ideas behind the shell when the time comes.

[lilac heart]

More like 2030!

[soft geode]

I think its time to upgrade the V90 with a better battery, the new firmware, and whatever else i can squeeze out of it

[ocean sage]

boggles my mind that powkiddy doesn't see what we see

but I don't think they know how close they are to greatness

[lofty cedar]

they haven't worked how to fit a 3566 in it, so have no interest in updating it

[subtle mango]

I'd take a 3326 at this point

[lofty cedar]

Nah, it's their sacred mission now, they must put all the world's supply of 3566 into handhelds

[timber haven]

I recently got a color e-reader running android with a 3566 in it, this after telling myself 'no more 3566 devices' 😂

Funny what else it's found in, there's some crazy expensive DAP powered by one as well

[topaz swift]

I found one inside of a commercial display that’s supposed to show you slideshows and ads ;))

[timber haven]

lmao that definitely takes the cake

[soft geode]

Honestly if they just added wifi for potential cloud saves and retro achievements and branded it a v91 I'd be so happy

[drowsy kindle]

I don't get how powkiddy dropped the ball by not releasing a v90 2

Maybe the v90 still sells too well?

[chilly thicket]

supposedly they are well aware of the demand for updated clamshells (both the v90 and the x18s could use improvements) but clamshells are hard

[empty cedar]

v90 mk.II is an insta-buy for me

[lavish widget]

Dead 😦

[soft geode]

Dead?

[torn marsh]

[subtle mango]

after the semi flop of the A30 this probably got shunted to the backburner once again

[opaque breach]

If A30 launches in June, then the flip will probably be September

[subtle mango]

presuming they work all the kinks out

[torn marsh]

P60 my beloved

[subtle mango]

Never forgetti

[edgy bobcat]

If the 35XX Flip has the same chip as the Plus/H and can do Batocera or muOS right out of the gate, then I think I can let my hype die down for this one

[final oar]

I think the 35xx flip will have the same chip as the 28xx

A h700 in a little clamshell would be nuts

Either that or the real reason they made the 35xx 2024 was to keep the old 35xx chip for the flip

I'd want the miyoo to have the better chip though so those sticks don't go to waste

[lilac heart]

I'm so happy that A30 is doing horrible! Miyoo this happens when you killed the P60 🥹

[opaque breach]

If the P60 were as whatever as this

[dusty pecan]

whats exactly happening with a30?

[timber haven]

It's mediocre out of box & people who didn't order one are mad

[final oar]

Whether we ordered one or not is irrelevant to it being a subpar launch

[timber haven]

It's relevant to the amount of whining about it. As if it's the first handheld to launch with a spotty d-pad & crappy software.

[final oar]

Some of it for me is schadenfreude because I see plenty of people put miyoo on a pedestal

[topaz swift]

Miyoo gang will rise up again when they port onion os and the greatest selection of games known to mankind to the rk3566 platform for their flip

[onyx minnow]

Miyoo be like

[jolly sequoia]

it's a little deceiving but it's not an horrible launch. Main issue for Miyoo is the competition with the RG28XX, on which they are losing at the moment. They already said that they will fix the dpad, and even if there is no CFW at the moment, the OS is far from horrible, actually I always though that one of the reason Onion was so great is that the stock OS already had good foundations compared to Anbernic ones.

[onyx minnow]

Mirror your thoughts, but that screen needs to be fixed in a revision, its so dim. Thats really my only gripe with a30, rest is easily resolved

[rotund ember]

I mean, it's a new device (and every device launches with QC issues) and it's a new SoC (so software will take time)

I don't see the point of A30, but I don't think this is an especially horrible launch

[subtle mango]

wait is the A30 a new SoC?

[topaz swift]

Yes that’s why there is no onion is on launch

[rotund ember]

Well, it's not the one they used before, so yeah, it's new for them

Otherwise it's ancient

[subtle mango]

is it a "better" SoC?

[rotund ember]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

Like it does have a GPU for a change

[subtle mango]

so PSX will probably get a decent boost, someone run the MediEvil test, that game runs terribly on the MM

[rotund ember]

Also an RTC

[subtle mango]

pokemon fans are happy then I suppose

what else uses RTC, all I know is pokemon

[rotund ember]

No idea, actually. I mean, no console of that period had an RTC, I think?

I do suppose A30 could be useful to make Miyoo and CFW devs make their code more cross-platform?

[chilly thicket]

They said they would fix the dpad but then they shipped 400 units without fixing the dpad… what are those people supposed to do?

They also said the MMv4 was 640x480 and didn’t admit they’d sourced a weird non-standard res screen until after they’d taken a bunch of people’s money so I wouldn’t trust anything that comes out of their mouth over actual reviews tbh

People get mad at miyoo because they expect better from them than they’ve done lately

[topaz swift]

All good

The A30v4 will be great

[rotund ember]

Really sucks for those 400 people, but tbh that sounds like nothing in Miyoo volumes

[chilly thicket]

Literally their 400 most dedicated fans who were willing to buy in the middle of the night without hesitation and then they get knowingly faulty dpads for their troubles still doesn’t leave a great taste in my mouth

Especially after the MMv4 resolution bait and switch

It basically just means you can’t trust any miyoo product until months later

[timber haven]

My guess is their fix will be a spacer, which, while not ideal for the customers, is cheap & easy to send out to those who want to install it themselves. The majority of those 400 were likely aware of issues prior to ordering or at least prior to shipping (when they could still cancel).

[chilly thicket]

They stealth dropped the 400 with no announcement the night before reviews dropped, presumably because they knew they’d be a hard sell after the reviews

[timber haven]

They stealth dropped them an hour before the 28xx sales went live, probably more to do with that

[rotund ember]

I mean, it's Miyoo. Half of those are likely scalpers

Which sucks too, because then you'll never know which batch you're buying from

[chilly thicket]

I hope the a30 gets good eventually for everyone that needs wifi on their micro but between the MMv4 launch and the a30 launch I definitely have gone from mega hype for their clamshell to waiting for batch 3+

[timber haven]

Think it was 1 per customer iirc, should have limited scalpers, they were up for a few hours too

[rotund ember]

Honestly, "never buy from the first batch" is just a rule of thumb in this hobby

Doesn't absolve these companies, but what are you gonna do, really

[timber haven]

Yah, honestly this is par for the course

[chilly thicket]

Sometimes you get screwed by waiting though when they do firmware breaking silent revisions on later batches (both anbernic and powkiddy have done this) and you don’t wind up with the same unit the firmware devs got.

[rotund ember]

Oh yeah, Anbernic loves their V2s

[chilly thicket]

Powkiddy is on like silent v3 or v4 on the x55 lol

[rotund ember]

I think Powkiddy actually make their subsequent revisions better though, no?

With Anbernic it's usually changes that don't benefit the end user at all

Apart from I think rg35xx silently getting a bigger battery at one point

[lofty cedar]

They have mediocre stock os, a new chipset so cannot simply onion their way past that issue, they have numerous qc and technical issues and they chose to go head to head against a device that is noticeably more powerful and more crucially is actually in stock. The only way their launch could have been more horrible is if the things burst into flames on use.

[rotund ember]

I mean, it took Onion six months just to make a stable release for MM+

And I'm not saying Onion devs are lazy or something, they just have to actually make a lot of stuff from scratch to hack around Miyoo's stock firmware

It's not like Rockchip devices where you have extremely mature ES (that already has all the necessary features like scraping, etc) and don't actually have to implement all the features from scratch

So A30 will likely take a while to mature, that doesn't seem surprising

[chilly thicket]

I’d like to see the onion devs work on a more platform agnostic firmware for modern chips over the allwinner a33 if they’re looking for a new project tbh

TrimUI smart pro even

But yeah obviously community volunteer devs can work on whatever they like

[timber haven]

GKD pixel =\

[lofty cedar]

h700-compatible onion would be nice

[timber haven]

4 cfw for the 28xx before launch & the pixel doesn't even have 1 fully functional one. Onion devs have units now. Nice hardware, shame they truly squandered that launch & the software is hot garbage

[chilly thicket]

The problem is both onion and minUI run on top of stock kernel and drivers and the stock kernel and drivers on the pixel are bad

[timber haven]

They're working on their own kernel

So hopefully onion goes platform agnostic in the future

[lofty cedar]

even with the other issues, the a30 launch would have been improved immeasurably with a decent amount of stock. shortages whether fake or logistical ineptitude might have worked in the past somewhat, but the overall market has moved on since then

[opaque breach]

Wonder how the DongShan Pi thing is going
Basically a learner's dev board based on the same chip the Miyoo Mini Plus is based on

Also there's the Banana Pi with A33 SoC

[rotund ember]

IIRC the chip in MM is actually supported by mainline

Huh, fun fact — turns out, Sigmastar (the company that makes the chip for MM) is owned by Mediatek https://www.linkedin.com/company/sigmastar-technology/

[lofty cedar]

so it is their fault?

[topaz swift]

I wanna shoutout the broken triggers on my pre ordered rp4pro 🔥

But at least they are covered by a 2-year warranty

[solemn raptor]

Calling the A30 dpad faulty is not accurate. I can upload a video of me hitting a bunch of shoryukens in a row if you want. It's not as tight as the miyoo mini plus dpad but I still think it's fine. I wouldn't recommend it to people who specifically play a lot of fighting games but it's otherwise a completely fine and generously-sized dpad for the device

Hopefully miyoo learn from this before the flip comes out since the dpad on that is likely to be even more recessed on the flip

[radiant burrow]

Retroid is definitely a company I'll never pre-order from again. Seems every damn device they do since the rp2 has quality issues they have to fix through warranty

[dusty pecan]

Absolutely this. Having OnionOS on the H700 series of handhelds would be an absolute godsend. Which isn't to say that Knulli, MuOS, and MinUI are anything to sneeze at—they're all lovely—but OnionOS does have some features that keep me going back to my Miyoo Mini Plus even though I don't like the hand crampy ergonomics and dim screen nearly as much as the more comfy ergonomics and brighter screens on the H700 devices.

[modern delta]

I guess I'm just lucky lol

My RP2+ and RP3+ were both solid

[radiant burrow]

I have also won the lotto with the rp2+ rp3 and rp3+ but so many people didn't and it's kind of ridiculous the shit they don't find prior to release. One day you and I will not win the lotto at the rate they go. You'd think they would have learned their lesson but nope...RP4 shows they'd rather inconvenience their customers with warranty replacements than just do quality control prior to releasing that shit.

So I'm happy to just buy from marketplace when people sell their fixed units lol

[dark oracle]

yeah after the rp flip I'm never preordering from retroid again

[radiant burrow]

I'm glad I had cancelled my pre-order

mainly because the render of the watermelon was nowhere close to the frosted shell they actually made

but then all those failures rolled in

[modern delta]

On the flip side

They nailed the red on the RP4P

[radiant burrow]

YES! Agree. I only want one for that reason

[dusty pecan]

My RP3+ is easily my all time most used handheld and I've never had any issues with it, though I did wait until they fixed the screen tinting, fan curve, and triggers issue to order an RP4 Pro. I've had my RP4 Pro for a couple months now though and have zero complaints, it's definitely become my new favorite handheld and everything just works as expected. The fan is just about silent on the Smart profile for playing GameCube and PS2 so I'm happy ^_^

Retroid is rather notorious for botching their launches, but unlike a lot of other companies they actually take the time and do the work to fix the problems with their devices instead of just pumping out a new device for you to buy (cough Anbernic cough). I'm a big fan of Retroid, though I always wait until a few months after a new device launches to pick one up so they can iron out whatever problems they failed to catch at launch, cause you can almost count on there being some issues with the first batch lol

[lofty cedar]

Interesting to see different impressions, for me my rp3+ was my most forgettable device, ergo is substandard, additional buttons were badly placed and screen was meh. Only real thing it had going for it was the power and as soon as that was surpassed by other devices it basically obsoleted mine for me.

[frigid arrow]

Yeah, but if you pre-ordered a 3, flip, or 4 pro...

It's sort of 50/50 whether it comes broken with retroid. Best just give them a few months after launch. All they tend to offer is a screen protector worth a few dollars and a relief to fomo for preorders anyhow.

An RP1 sold on UK eBay. That thing was supposed to be horrible, but it was 20 pounds, and I was tempted for the laughs.

But still, I would never use it.

[lofty cedar]

an updated model rp1 would be quite interesting

[final oar]

Best to give literally anything a couple months after release

[radiant burrow]

Didn't need to do that with the Odin 2. 😅

[final oar]

Hindsight is 20/20

[hasty fiber]

The Odin 2 has some screen issues with some of their units - a line appears across the whole screen

[frigid arrow]

RP1 with shoulder buttons, touch screen and a T610 would genuinely be the best N64/Saturn machine out there.

Alas, the RP1 was very far from T610 power.

[frigid arrow]

I dunno, I remember the base models swap memory issue being a pretty big deal at the time 😄

[chilly thicket]

yes, another convert to my rp1s wen cult

[delicate cloud]

What's the word hummingbird

This thing still alive?

[timber spindle]

Flip out when?

I'm running out of patience......I need a 3566 device for ports!!!!!

[lilac heart]

Not this summer ⛱️🌞

They need to fix A30 first and then milk it for two years!

[timber spindle]

This thing better be dual screen and perfect ds emu

If it takes that long

[chilly thicket]

We’re gonna get another flip from retroid, at least one powkiddy clamshell if not two, and at least one anbernic clamshell if not two first

[final oar]

MagicX will also release a ds lite

[ocean sage]

if only

honestly at this point I don't care whether Miyoo delivers as long as somebody does

[lilac coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[dusty pecan]

When is this coming out 😭😭

[elfin patrol]

Probably a Tuesday

But no one has figured out which one

[dusty pecan]

At least we have a day

[dusty pecan]

I would be absolutely shocked if Powkiddy didn't release an updated V90 this year... which will only support an utterly broken version of JelOS that crashes if you spend more than 2 minutes navigating the menus to select a game to play and the speakers randomly make shrieking noises at you.

[soft geode]

I mean if the miyoo cfw just added wifi support for the v90 I'd be happy, at least for syncing saves

[twilit sun]

does v90 have wifi capabilities?

[subtle mango]

not to my knowledge

[frozen tulip]

device release

never

[soft geode]

I'm looking at a series of dongles to make it work, it's not like it's something I need all the time, kinda like the wireless adapters for sp

[modest vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-like-to-purchase-this-bradley-hall-im-gonna-buy-this-i-want-to-have-this-give-me-one-of-this-gif-26203281

[teal compass]

it lives

[subtle mango]

we'll see if they can deliver or delay

[vocal grove]

It seems a summer release date is likely

but that is just speculation

[subtle mango]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-just-my-theory-marques-brownlee-thats-simply-my-opinion-thats-just-my-thoughts-gif-2899202784284193743

[dense oar]

I mean considering the a30 actually dropped I’d imagine this one does too

[torn marsh]

P60

[dark pawn]

FliP60

[lilac heart]

Final test after two years and then cancelled

[lofty cedar]

That's been the default reply for a while now, not that it matters anyway as will be more complicated to make than the a30 and as such will launch with 20 of each colour.

[subtle mango]

Nah it'll be 10 of each

[lofty cedar]

Nah, they managed 40 or 50 of each colour on the a30, they might scrape together half that for the flip

Unfortunately for them, anbernic will counter by having actual stock in their stores

[chilly thicket]

Given how rough the a30 was and it still got shipped imagine how jank the p60 was to actually get cancelled.

[pale gyro]

after the A30 should I trust Miyoo sitll?

[elfin patrol]

Ok r/sbcgaming

[final oar]

Don't trust companies at all

[dense oar]

This is some gold though

[opaque breach]

The equivalent of
"Are there people who still don't think rationally?!"

[subtle mango]

You guys thought rationally?

[lavish widget]

Real?

[pale gyro]

Well thank you.

just not as harsh as what Joey and TD said. #🔥│upcoming-chat message

[radiant burrow]

No one beats Joey when it comes to trashing a device they don't like. It's pure gold.

I love when a device comes out he doesn't like. I can watch those videos on repeat.

[final hare]

A30 is the Xbox One of Miyoo

The one bundled with Kinect

[jovial sapphire]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MiyooMini/s/kzKfM3yvW3

[tall zephyr]

this is only way ..... better cpu... i want buy A30, it is same as mini plus ... today i buy RG28xx ...

[pale gyro]

Ali express messages. Must be ture.

[ocean sage]

only source of info to this day

[pale gyro]

You call that a source? We shoukd had this handheld 6 months ago if that's a source.

[drowsy kindle]

That's the same chip as the rgb30?

I sure hope not cuz I hate the battery management with that chip on my RGB30

[umbral pendant]

Yep, that's the stinker.

[chilly thicket]

yup, same as the rgb30, rg arc, 353vs/ps, rk2023, rgb10max3amateur, etc

[pale gyro]

353m

[chilly thicket]

yeah, just tried to stick to mentioning other non-touch 1gb ones lol

though I guess the arc D also is 2gb with touch and an EMMC

[vocal grove]

Its their only line of communication

They have nothing else

[pale gyro]

Is it? Do you work for miyoo?

[vocal grove]

No

Do you?

[soft geode]

That would be the best, people asking this poor person on the "official" store for updates when they really have no idea because it wasnt the right place to ask.

[night raven]

Well there's no better place to ask

[vocal grove]

^

[opaque breach]

So it means there's no place to ask at all. Which really is understandable.

[dense oar]

I want to see both reviews now

[pale gyro]

I don't watch 'reviews' much at all. I will play the youtube video. Make a comment and like. But hardly pay attention to what is being said anymore.

[dense oar]

That’s fair, moreso cause I imagine them to be entertaining since they had an awful experience

[pale gyro]

I like TD in text. His character is too much for me. Most reviews now are just copy and paste to me. The knowledge of the handhelds is what is said daily in Discord.

[dense oar]

I’ll get off this topic so I don’t flood the flip channel, but I will say that TDs rp2s review is the best piece of media I’ll likely ever see come out of this hobby

[twilit sun]

The competing anbernic device is looking imminent

[subtle mango]

Clamshell fans are eating good this year

[empty inlet]

This year? Optimistic

[subtle mango]

I mean just with Anbernics offering we'll be eating good

[topaz swift]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-roy-mustang-mustang-roy-sad-gif-12080741

v90 fans after the mm flip and xx sp drop

lil bro finally gets retired

[twilit sun]

Shoulders of giants or something

[subtle mango]

The V90 walked so the Miyoo flip and 35XXSP could run

The V90 will always live in our hearts for it's strange legacy

[topaz swift]

actually

[twilit sun]

Honestly if the 2.0 firmware works out the bugs, its ok as a stocking stuffer or something.

[topaz swift]

for the price

its still looking nice

[twilit sun]

I was considering buying a few for gifts but i need to see the new firmware and try stuff out

[subtle mango]

around the $30-$40 range it's good, but if Anbernic or Miyoo goes for the $50-$65 price point it'll be really hard to justify the V90

[twilit sun]

Would suck to have to tell people to not be excited etc.

Ya the v90 should have had a price decrease a while ago imo

[topaz swift]

they go even cheaper with crazy sales too

[subtle mango]

I'm just going off what I was seeing earlier today

[dense oar]

Should have had an update

Easiest layup of their life

[subtle mango]

V90 with H720 when?

[ocean sage]

Idk what's this miyoo flip you guys keep talking about

As far as we know it's just the 35xx sp in the game for now

[subtle mango]

hopefully Miyoo pushes to fight back

[lofty cedar]

they won't have stock to fight back with knowing them

[subtle mango]

they probably will stll be fully focusing on the MM thinking that people want six each

[ocean sage]

well, they have the A30 mess to clean first

so in that regard they are disadvantaged against Anbernic

[dense oar]

For these two releases they really kept tripping on their own feet

[lofty cedar]

they are entirely disadvantaged outside of onion and it isn't on a30 or this eventual flip

[dense oar]

It seems like they are not very organized, meanwhile anbernic is a well oiled machine comparatively

[vocal grove]

I dont like how chunky the bottom half looks, also the horrible logo

Hopefully the a30 flop doesn’t stop them from making the flip🙏🏻

[ocean sage]

they removed the logo

[dawn bone]

Define “removed”

They toned it down a lot seemingly but it’s still there in recent videos, at least as far as I’ve seen/can tell.

https://youtu.be/E9z4pP3QtBs?si=GK4SUBWjsoShl0_X looks like this has older images mixed in, but you can still see it a tiny bit on the one that he opens and closes

[versed shard]

Look at the 35xx sp in the back

[dawn bone]

Last I’ve heard is just used backlight so it shines only when open. Look at 1:20ish in the vid and it’s very faint

But those are closed

Only recent images/vids I’ve seen of the back with it open/on show light shining through for the logo

It’s off topic to this channel so I’ll stop but I was just curious if this has changed

[dense oar]

I’d be amazed if you can get a light to shine through that

I’d have to check dates of everything. Haven’t seen them do it on recent ones but they didn’t try to show it off too

[lofty cedar]

Hopefully everyone going eeww at the first leaks due to it made them drop it as a fucking stupid idea

[dusty pecan]

why is it so super thicc?

Badonkadonk

[lofty cedar]

to make room for a hefty battery, it is only about as thick as the base of a vertical

[dusty pecan]

oh lawd she comin

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fat-let-me-in-gif-13890630

[night raven]

Really hoping we have at least a 3500mah battery

Less and I'm going to be disappointed

[delicate cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-comic-book-guy-shocked-surprised-stars-gif-15214876

I still have my rg35xx
They are really making a SP clone now?

[dense oar]

#1169059294919012494

[delicate cloud]

Thanks

[timber spindle]

i still want this more

3566

20% more power than the h700

gimme gimme gimme

[timber spindle]

i dont even care about dual screen anymore

just release this

[timber spindle]

its final test indefinitely. probably coz they are doing the same test but not changing the things that would affect the outcome, so its just the same result on repeat

and them asking: WHY YOU NOT WORKING

[lofty cedar]

zero evidence of the gap being anywhere near that big

[elfin patrol]

Doesn't make Doggo wrong

A55s should be 18% more powerful than A53s

Might not translate to real world gains in this specific application

The G31 GPU in the H700 is also a lower end GPU compared to the G52 in the RK3566

To me the biggest advantage to RK is possibly being able to cram ArkOS on this

[night raven]

I'm still looking forward to this more, for the more performance and the analog sticks and the possibility of onion

But if they don't hurry their ass up, they're going to completely miss the window

[timber spindle]

peeps arent gonna buy this if they already got the SP unless they hardcore like us here

[night raven]

At the end of the day I'm only buying one or the other, and I'm definitely going to skip the launch window so I can check out reviews and make sure everything's fine with the device

Basically they got about two or three months after the 35xxsp comes out, if it's not on the horizon by then I'm just going to buy the other one

I suspect just like the micro devices though, these are going to come out within weeks of each other

[timber spindle]

this has been waiting since 2023 now

[night raven]

It wouldn't even surprise me if they were both done sitting in warehouses somewhere

[dusty pecan]

The colorway options are a lot more appealing too, if ya ask me.

[elfin patrol]

We have no idea what colorways this will have right?

[chilly thicket]

We saw a kinda slick black one with green and grey controls

[vocal grove]

Im starting to doubt a summer release date

[umbral pendant]

This year's or next's?

[vocal grove]

Any release at all tbh

But we’ll have to wait and see

[wary cape]

Miyoo is allergic to dual joystick device

[lofty cedar]

or competent chipsets or competent stock levels

[timber spindle]

day 1 of asking for miyoo release

[elfin patrol]

Day 1000*

[modern delta]

Day "I stopped counting"

[lofty cedar]

Even when they ship, you still have x amount of time until they have adequate stock, unless you risk their first batch blues.

[timber spindle]

Day 1001*

[proven adder]

reminds me of this dude

[jaunty storm]

Do we think this is coming out?

[torn marsh]

They will launch 200 beta units when the anbernic comes out

[lofty cedar]

they'd have to be soft in the head to go for that failure of a launch plan again

[torn marsh]

They got so much positive press coverage from the RG28XX vs A30 comparison videos

[dusty pecan]

mm+ got them way too careless, thinking that people would consoom any kind of turd coming out of miyoo

it can be seen with a30

[arctic surge]

Miyoo really screwed up doing the A30. The thirst is for a GBASP form factor, not another small handheld.

they could've probably beat Anbernic to the punch if they didn't have to work on the A30

[ocean sage]

All they had to do was to reuse the same chipset as the mm for both the a30 and the flip

but alas, they chose to shoot themselves in the feet

[vocal grove]

They used random leftover parts they had to scrape together the a30

Now they need to find other parts to scrape together and make the flip

[opaque breach]

Do you think this has anything to do with the old pocketgo s30?

[tacit star]

Still waiting for them to list 300 half-baked units over the next few days to keep up with Anbernic.

...and get roasted in YT reviews.

[subtle mango]

and self sabotage their device by doing so

[night raven]

💀 $58 35xxsp 💀
Here lies Miyoo, died by their own hubris

[chilly thicket]

how many failed launches in a row do you think they can do before there just isn't a miyoo anymore

[tacit star]

One more.

The Flip.

CFW options on the XX line are very good. I don't think they'll be able to compete any more.

[chilly thicket]

I'm waiting for muOS for my 28xx but it looks real good

[tacit star]

Excited to see some added MinUI packs.

I'm waiting for "literally anything" for my A30. 🤣🤣

No regrets, though. Love that device.

[rotund ember]

Tbh I'm sure once they drop another 500 units, they'll sell out in minutes

[proven adder]

I was discussing this miyoo situation with someone who is not into the scene and they said it sounds like the original people sold the brand name to someone else

[tacit star]

I'd believe that.

Wonder how connected these people are... like, is it possible that Miyoo "talent" went over to Anbernic and some company just bought the Miyoo brand and failed to complete the existing in-development hardware. 🤷

[torn marsh]

Or they just got lucky once

[unreal vine]

My votes on this option.

[night raven]

This better have membrane d-pad and buttons to differentiate it

[hasty fiber]

Yeah the reason I sold my rp2+ is because of the stuff buttons. Not gonna ever get another device with stiff buttons - was a chore to play

[dusty pecan]

is it possible to buy, as a company, another company?

in mainland china

[tacit star]

🤷‍♂️

I'd imagine if Miyoo wanted to sell the brand, all stock, and in-dev devices to a buyer, they could?

[dusty pecan]

the brand yeah

the company's assets though

[sterile atlas]

its been about a year since the first text on this group thingy dropped

will we even get the flip?

is it...even gonna get released?

[proven jay]

still debugging :shakehands:

[chilly thicket]

hello cancelled :frowning face:

[proven jay]

actually

still doing the final test :shakehands:

[solemn raptor]

What are the odds that miyoo is even aware that the rg35xxsp is about to release?

[scenic hull]

101%

[night raven]

Pretty sure they intricately plan device release dates around each other

To think they aren't aware, is pretty hilarious

[solemn raptor]

Well you would think they would at least communicate some sort of timeline for the flip before the rg35xxsp drops since every single 35xxsp sold is a sale lost for the flip

They don't even need to announce a timeline really, just a few new official pics would do

[winged bear]

it's just not ready

better have a decent device than another bad launch

[solemn raptor]

I mean, sure that's how WE feel but I think they would rather be sure that they make money on this thing theyve been working on for like two years now

[silk meadow]

the sticks held them back. if they went no sticks it would be launching /s

[winged bear]

the mm+ released after the 35xx and that had no issue selling like hotcakes

[solemn raptor]

That's true but I'm sure they didn't view that as an ideal scenario

[winged bear]

well they can't change it now

either rush another shitty launch or develop a good device

[solemn raptor]

I get that it's not ready for whatever reason, just drop some new info or pics to give people pause before buying a 35xxsp

thats all im saying

[winged bear]

i dunno who that would stop

[silk meadow]

mm+ was bc of low volume release hype. now its finally more available probably sold more this year than last

[solemn raptor]

I think plenty of people would hold off on a 35xxsp if they got a feeling that the same thing but with analog sticks was realisitically on the horizon

[night raven]

They seem to provide almost no communication, I get the vibe that they don't think they compete with anybody

Not just analog sticks, but potentially membrane buttons, potentially onion OS, as well as a more powerful chip

And possibly more interesting colorways

I'm not in a hurry and I'm not a day one buyer, so I'm going to wait and see if this thing gets announced anytime soon

I'll probably give it till July or August

[silk meadow]

a mini sp from miyoo mini parts tho 🤔

[solemn raptor]

The clicky and shaky buttons in russ' rg35xxsp impressions video def put me off

[tacit star]

So many people claimed to have cancelled their A30 orders after Russ' video was released. Hard to ignore that signal and they likely don't want to repeat it.

In a perfect world, we'd get functional Miyoos with sticks and Onion OS and Anbernics with no sticks and a few CFW options at comparable prices so we could choose.

[winged bear]

can't see the flip competing in price if they keep the 3566

it would be the cheapest 3566 by a good margin

[night raven]

As long as it's double digits and not triple digits that's all that matters

[tacit star]

I wonder if their biggest holdup rn is software and optimization.

I have the A30. It feels awesome. My screen brightness is totally fine. Button size is great. Joystick is great (though it's weird you can't click L3.) My only gripe is no headphone jack.

It's an outdated chip, but still handicapped by some really amateur firmware and optimization.

I wonder if they just don't have the talent to work on that side of things.

[timber haven]

The a30 feels like ewaste compared to the 28xx

[tacit star]

Where would MM / MM+ be without Onion?

[tacit star]

Couldn't respectfully disagree more, but my opinion is based on what I want to play on it.

[timber haven]

You have both?

[proven jay]

the 28xx maybe is too small, but is really nice from the design aspect

the a30 it's pretty chunky

[tacit star]

I picked up both, yeah. If it ran MinUI or a MinUI equivalent and didn't struggle to play PS1 and below, it'd be fine. It feels so much better to me.

But the heat, battery life and performance makes me wonder if they just can't get things right on that end.

[proven jay]

i have the impression that the a30 is made with scraps that they got

[tacit star]

It's an old inefficient chip, for sure.

Sad that they stuck with it. Wasn't outdated when they started development, I bet.

[proven jay]

pretty sure that the original design was with replaceble faceplate,

[tacit star]

28xx buttons are too small for me.

*too small for me to prefer

All that to say, I'm going to bet the Flip (like the A30) has the potential to be a great device, but might fail on the software side. A lot of folks really are enjoying Anbernic's stock OS on the XX devices. A30 stock is so bad.

[covert frigate]

I wonder if Flip will be thinner than the SP

The SP from Anbernic is too much in the thick side

[vocal grove]

it appears to be

[delicate cloud]

Definitely will be, which is why I'm waiting for this than the rg sp

[opaque breach]

If only they somehow have Android dualboot...

Which will probably be feasible
The on-board flash RG353p can be reflashed
And this thing with a single card slot will probably have an on-board flash

Let's just hope it's 32GB instead of 32MB...

[delicate cloud]

Miyoo flip has sticks
That and size against the RG35XXSP

Now the ultimate test is software

[winged bear]

size?

[delicate cloud]

It's slightly smaller than the rg35xxsp

Well slimmer imo

Rg35xxsp looks cool and all, but they kinda destroyed the sp aesthetic with huge dpad and buttons and the inset are not the same as the gbsp which I loved

[winged bear]

and miyoo didn't ruin the aesthetic with two sticks? lol

having the same screen and comparable chipsets, they should come out pretty similar in size

[delicate cloud]

Actually I'm impressed someone designed what I was gonna mod eventually with a GBSP type emulator

[opaque breach]

where'd you get that info?

[delicate cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/forward-pass-nrl-one-eyed-gif-13887139

These eyes

[opaque breach]

the big question still remains
Will they correct the STARS button's spelling?

[winged bear]

maybe in v3

[delicate cloud]

Then again pictures tend to be of different sizes depending on lenses used

This is thin

[dawn stream]

If the miyoo flip can really be thinner than the 35XXSP, even when it has those sticks, that would be pretty impressive.

[winged bear]

i doubt it

comparable chip, sticks

they would have to make the battery smaller i suppose

[delicate cloud]

Chipset comparable?

[chilly thicket]

the miyoo is 3566, which is actually a bit more powerful than the h700 but also has some quirks around battery management

[wicked gorge]

If I scale the Flip’s design renders to be the same width as Ambernic’s SP, it’s almost the same thickness. Slightly thinner, but not skinny.

[ocean sage]

crazy that all it took was one botched release for people to start calling Miyoo dead

meanwhile if Anbernic fumbles a handheld people just shrug shoulders and look forward to the next one

[torn marsh]

That's because Anbernic releases a new one every week

And they are an established company

[delicate cloud]

ArkOS on a flip tho!!!

[shut otter]

Well it would help if Miyoo released ANY official information about the flip. (that wasn't just support replies) At this point I'm just as confident that this thing is releasing as I am that it's getting canned, Miyoo is never clear about these things. I'm not a fan of Anbernics business practices but at least they're fairly consistent with their releases.

[chilly thicket]

I do love arkOS but muOS also looks great (haven’t gotten to try it yet, waiting for the 28xx release since I don’t own any 35xx)

[delicate cloud]

I'm all for MuOs as they have a huge community with a lot of good commitments and contributions

[ocean sage]

muOS > ArkOS IMO

[delicate cloud]

ArkOs on the 503 was my favorite

[chilly thicket]

there are definite benefits to emulation station

there are also definite downsides to emulation station - namely boot time which I care a lot more about on smaller pocketable devices than on larger ones

[dusty pecan]

Personally I'm really happy with Batocera. It's like ArkOS, but more stable since you can tinker around with Retroarch settings and configure them to your liking without random things breaking or the OS trying to override your customizations ^_^

[vocal grove]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this doesn’t release, im losing hope

[subtle mango]

With Miyoo, keep expectations low

especially after the mid release of the A30

[hushed field]

Which will have a better chip? RG35xxsp or the Miyoo flip?

[vocal grove]

RIP p60😔

[subtle mango]

never forgetti

[subtle mango]

the 35XXSP might have killed the Flip so we might want to contact the undertaker

[hushed field]

Why?

[subtle mango]

they're gonna have to compete with price heavily, and hopefully fix issues that may have carried over from the A30 like that Dpad

[radiant burrow]

The SP won't impact miyoo releasing their products. If they actually are going to release it they aren't going to throw away the time and money put into creating it because anbernic released something.

Anbernic is just as reliant on the community saving their devices as miyoo is. lol

[subtle mango]

I'd say more so because the MM is just meh without onion

the screen is the best part, everything else is just fine or subpar

[radiant burrow]

Anbernic devices are trash without the community saving them too lol.

[subtle mango]

Anbernic has much better hardware compared to Miyoo, at this point I don't care about them to buy a MM+ or A30

[hushed field]

I love my mini’s and pluses because of onion!

[radiant burrow]

I agree. I have no issues with my hardware on my mm or mmp. They are superior to the 35xx, imo, which is why I gave away my 35xx and still have my miyoos. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[subtle mango]

I hate the controls, they're wayyyy too soft

[radiant burrow]

Waiting on an A30 but I'll reserve my impressions of it for when I have one

Ah, that's fair. I like them but that's just me. To each their own on how buttons feel. That's why I'll always grab a device instead of letting reviewers make my decision for me. Everyone has a different preferrence, especially when it comes to how the buttons feel 🙂

[subtle mango]

the shoulders and triggers are so soft I can never tell if I pressed them

[delicate cloud]

Sticks vs no sticks? Hmm 🤔

[subtle mango]

that's my only hope for if the MMF comes to be

[jaunty storm]

I prefer no sticks on something this small

[radiant burrow]

For instance I really want an SP but Russ showing how hard they are to press gives me reservations, but there's always marketplace if I don't like it haha

[subtle mango]

we need Ape Escape certification

[radiant burrow]

Oh, totally agree. Sticks on this size device...ugh.

I couldn't even use them on the rgb20sx, which is why someone else owns it now. On an even smaller device with them even closer together...

[subtle mango]

with this I'd want them for N64 because this chipset can get quite a lot of N64 running good depending on emulator and settings and all that shiizzzz

[radiant burrow]

Makes sense. I just know I don't have enough aleve to use the sticks on this. Really the only reason I want the SP more, but I'll probably get both. The SP is chunkier than I would have hoped

[subtle mango]

I'm gonna get both

that nostalgia is singing to me

[radiant burrow]

Oh I'll be putting in my order for the SP on the 17th for sure 🙂

transparent black, guessing you're going silver?

[subtle mango]

Blue

I had a metallic blue GBASP growing up

[radiant burrow]

Ah nice! They all look so good honestly, except maybe that beige retro thing. But I'm a sucker for transparent especially black

[subtle mango]

that DMG color is just...why

[radiant burrow]

beige color with the wrong colored buttons...

[subtle mango]

my only complaint is that none of the models have skittles buttons

[radiant burrow]

Yeah, they should have ditched that beige nastiness and done one with skittles. Luckily you know sakura will release some...depending on how hard it is to tear down.

[vocal grove]

ETA prime seems to have done fine in his video

[radiant burrow]

Ah, didn't watch it. I was guessing it wasn't hard to tear down

[subtle mango]

if they gave us a SFC version instead of the DMG I'd considering buying two and making a franken handheld

[radiant burrow]

But some anbernic devices are a bitch, like the 505 and 405, at least if you wanna do buttons

[subtle mango]

the only thing I've gone and done to my 505 was print and add the better stacked shoulders and triggers

best mod to do for that thing

[radiant burrow]

I did the sakura psx buttons...I'll never open one of those again haha

Basically have to gut the entire shell for it. It sucks

[subtle mango]

yikes

I can't remember if I've done an extended teardown on any handheld

most times I've just needed to take off the back plate to get to what I've needed

[solemn raptor]

I don't know why, I'm almost always disappointed with anbernic colorways. Some are bad, some are just slightly off. The transparent black and blue sps do look a lot better in videos than in photos on their site. Will probably pull the trigger on one of those unless miyoo feels like communicating literally anything about the flip in the next 24 hours

[jaunty storm]

Does saying don't exspect one for a while count as anything?

[night raven]

I'm not convinced this product even exists TBH. All we've gotten are patent renders and customer support replying to customer questions

[winged bear]

it does exist, we've seen pictures and videos

the question is if it'll ever come out

[night raven]

There's pictures and videos of vaporware too though

[umbral pendant]

Source: Miyoo made it up.

[winged bear]

i definitely prefer anbernic's approach

couple weeks of rumors, some pics start popping up, week after that russ has one at his door

[umbral pendant]

We've known about the SP for a while though

[night raven]

Miyoo on the other hand, they gaslight and blue ball you for years making you question whether it even exists and then one random day they stealth drop 300 units and you were asleep or at work and you miss it so now you can't buy it for like 3 or 4 months

[winged bear]

that was kinda the exception

28xx and cube pretty much came out of nowhere

[rotund ember]

556 was teased for over a year, and it was a D1200 handheld originally

406 has been teased for longer than that and still hasn't been released

But generally, yeah, their teasing cycle is a lot more consistent

[lofty cedar]

28xx had leaked documents quite a while before it was confirmed to be a real device

[rotund ember]

I suppose patent leaks are not necessarily leaks — they could be public and easy to find if you speak Chinese

[modern delta]

.... Petition to rename this to Schrodinger's Flip

[night raven]

pokes the flip with a stick

come on do something

[crisp peak]

is this comng is year

[wind osprey]

nobody knows

[timber spindle]

Could be this year

Or next

Maybe the Year after

Or they might cancel

[wind osprey]

at this point they're better off taking their time and making sure the device and fw are great to avoid having the same issues the A30 has

maybe work with the onion folks directly and ship it with that

[timber spindle]

We all know we gonna flash rocknix onto it

So for us it's not a huge issue if fw is bad

But for those who aren't or don't know how yea I see it

[shut otter]

If they waited till the end of this year then released the Flip with even better design and quality than the Miyoo Mini + then that'd sound pretty great to me. I just hope they don't wait all that time just to release another A30 quality product.

[chilly thicket]

I am now very skeptical of miyoo’s ability to fit a 3566 and decent size battery into the smaller clamshell form factor they patented especially after a carve out for sticks

The 35xxSP looks a little hot and full and that’s a larger shell, no sticks, and a somewhat cooler chip

[umbral pendant]

Hmm, good catch with the sticks.

[tacit star]

I bet we see a Powkiddy V90 successor before we see the Flip.

I bet we see an AYN Odin 2 Mini Flip before we see the Flip.

[crisp peak]

it'll be fine, trust.

it can run at god forbid 80c and still be just fine

[warm cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ripbozo-rip-bozo-rest-in-piss-packwatch-james-worthy-gif-6906351621115625331

[chilly thicket]

The a30 really turned the community against miyoo pretty hard lol

[radiant burrow]

I still want an a30 😦

[tacit star]

My A30 has become my bedside device. It's not a great choice when you compare it to the 28xx, but for what I want to play, it's been great.

I won't defend Miyoo, though. They shipped a "beta" device.

[chilly thicket]

Bedside devices are nice. Mine is a 405v

[lofty cedar]

Deservedly so, they showed they learned nothing from the mm/mm+ and delivered flawed v1 hardware, no onion and thought they could still get away with the limited batches nonsense that worked back then.

Anbernic have announced, released and started to ship a new device since the 28xx and miyoo still hasn't managed to produce more than that initial 200 devices yet. Being generous, perhaps they halted production to deal with the hardware issues first, but probably not.

[tacit star]

I think two or three years ago, it was okay for devices to be "shitty until tinkered with," but I don't think that expectation stands anymore. Even powkiddy devices feel relatively solid out of the box. I don't think Miyoo leveled up here, and it makes me skeptical of the flip.

[tacit star]

I also think they'll do something illogical, like not wire up L3/R3. The A30 has no L3 functionality, and it's wired that way.

[proven jay]

you can click it, but is not hardwired the function?

[tacit star]

Yes, it's clickable but not wired for any function.

[proven jay]

dude.

🥴

[dense oar]

Lmao

The more I read on the a30 the wilder it gets

[tacit star]

Definitely not wired like a normal stick.

[umbral pendant]

Holy

[tacit star]

And no proper headphone jack. 🤷‍♂️

[dawn bone]

Which is wild on a micro device meant to take on the go

Does it at least have Bluetooth? I can’t remember, I don’t think it does but not sure

[dense oar]

It would’ve legit been better for miyoo if they just canned the a30

[wind osprey]

More and more in glad I went with the 28xx

[tacit star]

I mean, there are worse handhelds out there, so I wouldn't say they should have canned it. I have both and I play the A30 more. It's quieter and comfier for me. Screen is fine inside and my d-pad has grown on me. I think it really depends on what you want to play on these.

But it's clearly an unfinished device using an outdated inefficient chip, so they're not building any goodwill.

I also prefer Return of Jafar to the original Aladdin, so to each their own, I guess. 🤣

[chilly thicket]

yeah however they wired it to not have L3 leads to a short in any replacement sticks lmao

[final trout]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-24935909

[opaque breach]

What's that stick supposed to be actually

[opaque breach]

NO bluetooth
The only wireless chip in there is RTL8188FTV used in several Wi-Fi USB dongles

[timber haven]

It literally melted the stick. I think they have ground wired up to where L3 should be & that causes a short in anything but the stock sticks.

Someone else tested & confirmed with both k-silvers & gulikit.

[dawn bone]

[wind osprey]

What a bad way to design it

[subtle mango]

Sadly another bad mark on the a30

[modern delta]

wtf

why

[cunning tiger]

does the a30 not have an l3?

[chilly thicket]

Nope. The stick clicks but it isn’t wired to anything

[cunning tiger]

are they manually scratching the path on the ribbon cables of switch sticks. idgi

[chilly thicket]

Yeah I dunno what they’re doing

[lofty cedar]

they are obviously speedrunning becoming a hated manufacturer

[lilac coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[torn marsh]

I will forgive them if they make a P60 with G99

[bronze forge]

By the time they release it in 4 years would you still be excited about a G99 though?

[chilly thicket]

By then his anbernic version with an s8g2 will be 16 months old

[opaque breach]

You alluding to that new Ayaneo thing? Probably their least outrageous thing lately

[onyx minnow]

Emulation station switching

Wish they would get rid of the big logo

[muted swallow]

God I love that we're in a new age of clamshells

[winged bear]

are these new videos?

[onyx minnow]

Yes

Just posted by miyoo

[winged bear]

guess they gotta do something about the sp release

[onyx minnow]

That massive logo is

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[winged bear]

still looks like a prototype though, something about the plastic

[winged bear]

they better not have the balls to release it like that

anbernic caved at the end with their ugly ass light up gamer shape

[onyx minnow]

I hope not also. Its nasty

Does look very plastic and flimsy. I hope final product has better shell

[winged bear]

the shape does look nice, just wish there were no sticks

[vocal grove]

The anbernic one already exists

Im glad they’re developing this BECAUSE it has sticks

[timber spindle]

ITS STILL ALIVE

[timber spindle]

@subtle mango

[vocal grove]

Looks like the exact same location as the previous videos lol

Also no green buttons for some reason

[onyx minnow]

Probs miyoo office

[tall zephyr]

so.... no onion, potecial problem with flip, potecial in stock problems... another RK3266-RK3566 clone with jelos clone .... i thing anbernic wins fight with 28xx and 35xx sp ....

[muted swallow]

I think the flip is supposed to have the 3566 chip if I'm not mistaken

[winged bear]

3566

[tall zephyr]

... like rgb30, but miyoo use max 1gb ram not 2gb ...

[timber haven]

after the a30 i dunno, it's definitely got that nasty cheap plastic feel to it..

[winged bear]

should be a prototype still

which doesn't say much good about it releasing soon

[onyx minnow]

Get ready for broken hinge/shell posts all over reddit 😂😅

[muted swallow]

This and they would have some random shaders that would cripple the performance like in the a30

[tall zephyr]

no onion no miyoo ...

[tacit star]

In that Mario 64 clip, did closing the device do nothing?

No sleep? Nothing?

[shut otter]

considering the sound cut out completely I imagine it went into a pseudo "sleep" like the RG35XXSP can go into

[umbral pendant]

RGB30 runs on 1GB, only dual OS RK3566s get 2GB.

[tacit star]

I'm happy with how the SP is looking, and I really hope the Flip ends up being a competent device for people who want sticks!

The more options available to people, the better. Just make L3 and R3 clickable, please! 🤣

[rotund ember]

Does RGB30 have 2GB RAM?

[umbral pendant]

Nope

[tall zephyr]

no, it can be looking nice on paper... 😜

I'm very disappointed with what miyoo did with the A30. Maybe the next version will be better. But I don't want to wait for a unicorn but then get a pony...

I was waiting for the A30 and couldn't even buy it in the end. Because when sales for Europe were opened, everything was already sold out. And I'm glad... I bought a 28xx as my first anbernic... Everything works perfectly.

[rotund ember]

Weirdly enough, seems like TrimUI is the only Linux handheld manufacturer who figured out proper sleep mode

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1cukxk1/the_trimui_smart_pros_sleep_function_is_really/

No hacks, no "quick shutdowns", just regular sleep with single digit daily battery drain

[tall zephyr]

sleep mod is overrated

[rotund ember]

Of course, unless we're talking about a portable device

[tall zephyr]

im ok with "sleep mod" on onion or 28xx, if i use device in 5 minutes is it on, then save progress and go down ...

best sleep mod .... battery live more than year ... 🤣

[rotund ember]

I mean, PSP did sleep mode 20 years ago IIRC

These days I'm fine with sleep mode on my Arc, but that's under Gamma

[winged bear]

the trimui is really insane at that, one of the reasons why it's one of my most used i because it's always on

[twilit sun]

How does the rp3+ sleep compare? The battery doesnt drain too fast iirc

[winged bear]

sleep in android devices is always good

i keep them all on all the time

the surprising thing is that the trimui can match them

[twilit sun]

I guess that has something to do with being meant for phones?

[crisp peak]

sleep is problematic tbf im pretty sure it also relates to firmware

so its tricky

[chilly thicket]

That hinge design is not the SP style

It’s one piece all the way across held on both sides rather than the half and half hinge that works so well on the gbaSP and v90 (and hopefully 35xxSP)

[winged bear]

oh yeah, i missed that

[chilly thicket]

This is more like an NDS hinge I guess

Or the RP flip?

[winged bear]

oh dear

[chilly thicket]

It might be strong enough just by virtue of being a short hinge tbf

Even if it was built identical to the rev 1 flip less length = way less potential lateral force when operating

[night raven]

It looks like a completely different hinge design, for better or worse

[rotund ember]

Yeah, that's the weird part. I think people expected mainline to make sleep better on RK3566, but so far it sounds like it's actually worse than on stock Anbernic build (not to mention Android on the same device)

[night raven]

I know people have really turned against Miyoo but I'm still hoping this device comes out and is awesome. I would really prefer to have sticks so I can competently play N64, DC and PSP. I'm also wanting other color options.

[tacit star]

I want both devices to be awesome.

SP and Flip

[rotund ember]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-pre-order-preorder-new-game-gif-22435537

We need a GIF that says "never buy from the first batch", but this one will have to do

[night raven]

😆

[tacit star]

I've never seen that. 🤩

[night raven]

If you pre-order you're part of the problem, if you buy batch one you're part of the problem, if you breathe YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM

fookin hell Tommy, don't scare the poor lads

[rotund ember]

You're not part of a problem, you're just beta-testing for the rest of us

Nothing wrong with that

[night raven]

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it

[empty cedar]

A noble job

[muted swallow]

Yeah, I think the logo is staying

[wind osprey]

yuck

but nothing that a magic eraser may not be able to fix

but still

[tacit star]

My favorite part is "don't worry" 🤣

[jolly sequoia]

It's saying that what is displayed on the mockup is a prototype, and like the ugly light arrow of the 35XXSP pre-launch videos I don't think it will stay.

[empty cedar]

I think if we're loud enough it won't make it through to the final unit

Or it really is just a prototype thing who knows

[modern delta]

I mean if it was me and I was prototyping I wouldn't bother with the silkscreening but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle mango]

maybe they're using the prototype shells to test and make sure the silk screening is working?

[dawn bone]

The question is does miyoo care enough/listen to the community? There’s no direct contacts with them afaik for the general community

[empty cedar]

No clue if I'm being honest, just saw that the tacky logo on the 35xxsp didn't stick so I'm hoping

[silk sentinel]

How limited do you think this will be on launch lol

[dawn bone]

Do you think there will be a launch at all?

[silk sentinel]

I just hope it's not as bad as the a30

Will definitely need custom stickers for that logo

[subtle mango]

if this releases it's gonna be on bated breath

[dawn bone]

Miyoo really lost a good chunk of their good faith with the a30

[modern delta]

Yea

[subtle mango]

oh yeah

I mean it taking around 2 years to make didn't help it either

[dawn bone]

And it was still rushed in the end with the fw

[subtle mango]

YUP

and no headphone jack for some baffling reason

[timber spindle]

Who the frig still use headphone with a jack

[subtle mango]

normal people

[radiant burrow]

I have headphones in the cases for all my handhelds and I can tell you how many times I pulled them out to use them with my handheld...0

[subtle mango]

for me that's at least 3 times a week

[radiant burrow]

For you no headphone jack sucks, I thought I would use headphones but I never do. I just play at low volume if necessary

but since my gf likes to watching shitty tv shows like 90 day fiance in bed she can feel free to listen to my retro gaming in bed

[naive valley]

People who aren’t worried about getting mugged

[subtle mango]

What

[ember laurel]

bluetooth:
go to bluetooth menu
start pairing
wait
connecting

wire:
plug in

[subtle mango]

also cheaper

[proven adder]

the bluetooth on these low end devices usually has lag as well

[chilly thicket]

BT headphones suck

[willow dust]

BT headphones not good for rhythm game

[jaunty storm]

I wonder if the rg35xx sp can do bluetooth low latency audio 🤔

[chilly thicket]

probably not low latency enough

but it has a headphone jack

[jaunty storm]

oh I meant for my bluetooth dac

it can do low latency bluetooth audio

[rugged geode]

Plus if I drop it the wired headphones help me catch it before it hits the floor. It's insurance really

[opaque breach]

rk3566, no sticks

[opaque breach]

it seems to be using an android codebase for whatever - i need some explanation

[vocal grove]

Just buy the rg35xxsp at that point

The systems that would benefit from the extra power would be useless without sticks

[modern delta]

mmm good wired set of headphones?

on a budget please

[bronze forge]

Buds or over ear?

[modern delta]

IEMs

i know people like to throw moondrops and salnotes

[subtle mango]

KBEars KZs

or the KZ ZSN Pros

around the $20 range and sound great, also properly modular

[bronze forge]

These would have been my exact recommendations also. I’ve had a pair of each. KZ was better, KBEars were cheaper

[subtle mango]

comrade

currently you can get the KB Ear Storm (like the KZs but with a smidgen more bass) for $16 after a coupon on Amazon

[timber spindle]

normal people now use bluetooth

[subtle mango]

jokes on you doggo, I'm autistic so I'm not normal

[timber spindle]

clearly you never had good bluetooth headphones

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-burn-parks-and-rec-chris-pratt-gif-2693723001935437012

[subtle mango]

we ain't paying $100+ for that shizz

[timber spindle]

so am i. and i use bluetooth headphones

[jaunty storm]

By good Bluetooth headphones you mean something over 200$ for the sound of a 20$ wired option?

[subtle mango]

this is why I pay at max $50 for a pair of wireless earbuds

[timber spindle]

i dont mean you buy a pair of good headphones just for a handheld =="

a good pair last you ages for most things

[subtle mango]

yeah I'll just get my IEMs for anything and everything

[jaunty storm]

I have not had wireless headphones last that long for me

[subtle mango]

the longest I've had a set of BT earbuds last was 2 years, and for BT headphones 6

[timber spindle]

this better be 6 years

and not 6mins

[subtle mango]

years

and the pair of cheapo Onn walmart wired earbuds I bought like a decade ago are still working just fine

[timber spindle]

also......im in the minority that plays all my games with no volume

i.e. no sound

[subtle mango]

depends on the game for me

classic NES or GB games I most times don't care to hear the game

[timber spindle]

whats an iem btw

[subtle mango]

like this

[timber spindle]

arent these earphones

[subtle mango]

that hoopy part goes around your ears

[subtle mango]

neither is your mom but I listen to her all the time

[timber spindle]

sorry, call me dumb for this

but seriously arent these just earphones

[timber spindle]

also i dont have a mom

[subtle mango]

in what part are you not understanding?

[subtle mango]

wait....then who was I talking to last week

[timber spindle]

not my mom

i never had a mom

🙂

[subtle mango]

Doggo is a nemekian

[timber spindle]

and yet doggo likes eggs

is doggo a cannibal

[subtle mango]

you're not eating Nemekian eggs right?

[timber spindle]

if its an egg

i'll eat it

[subtle mango]

so potentially a cannibal

[timber spindle]

well, no matter how much i look at these, they look like normal wired earbuds/earphones. i guess im confused why they call these IEMs and whats the differnce

[subtle mango]

I personally don't know the difference besides the shape and hooping around your ear part

[bronze forge]

It’s been 15 minutes all I did was eat some pizza, what on earth happened in this channel

[subtle mango]

LMAO

[torn marsh]

Audio nerds happened 😵‍💫

[timber spindle]

also Dar_kalim was talking to someone they think its my mom

but just realized is not my mom coz i odnt have a mom

[subtle mango]

And the doggo is a Nemekian

[timber spindle]

perhaps a cannibalistic nemekian

[subtle mango]

that too

[bronze forge]

😶… I’m happy for you or sorry that happened

[subtle mango]

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/what-are-iem-headphones

this Article should help the doggo

[timber spindle]

doggo cant read

[subtle mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-22596911

[timber spindle]

since when do doggos ever read

we bark

[subtle mango]

how have you been communicating with me this entire time?

[timber spindle]

speak message

and i write via voice

[subtle mango]

use a text to speach app for the article

[timber spindle]

i just bought a pair of IEM

from ali

lets see if they are any better than the buds i currently have

[subtle mango]

what pair?

[timber spindle]

KZ EDX Pro

[subtle mango]

ok one of the good brands

[timber spindle]

it was the cheapest i could find

[jaunty storm]

Myself I have the salnotrs zero 2

Hard to go wrong with 20$ items with good reviews

[timber spindle]

or would you suggust this for me? or the KBears KZs

[subtle mango]

either or is fine

they both have a V profile to their sound

but not super heavy

[timber spindle]

they on ali

or?

[jaunty storm]

Oh I am not sure I got mine from linsoul

[timber spindle]

coolio, i found the 1s but not 2s

[jaunty storm]

They were running a sale when I was shopping

Saved like 4 dollars I think

[subtle mango]

also a bit about the IEMs you can make them wireless because they have modular cables and connectors

[jaunty storm]

There are those wireless things for iems

But I have a Bluetooth dac so that seems uneeded

[subtle mango]

fair