if u wanna get personal
#Miyoo Flip
night raven
winged bear
then start buying handhelds
lofty cedar
Greater comfort, better sounds etc are also functionality, not simply form
winged bear
not having sticks that jam into my pocket or that can potentially drift is also functionality
night raven
then start buying handhelds
argue the points, not my buying habits, what in the hell does what i own have anything to do with this convo
lofty cedar
This is a flip, they won't jam in your pocket
winged bear
yeah, but then it matters for other form factors
winged bear
argue the points, not my buying habits, what in the hell does what i own have an...
i don't need my handhelds doing everything is my point, i already have a few others that can do stick games and don't want them in a tiny gameboy
night raven
Greater comfort, better sounds etc are also functionality, not simply form
greater comfort? the sticks are RECESSED your hands will be in the same spot regardless if theyre there or not. it effects NOTHING.
Sound? what the hell are you even on about, how does sticks effect the audio lmao. the speaker is the same and in the same spot regardless, its a mono front facing speaker.
night raven
i don't need my handhelds doing everything is my point, i already have a few oth...
ok cool. you want the aesthetics of the gba sp which is my argument
lofty cedar
Have you seen the pictures, they are not flat to the unit and sound was somebody else suggesting that they could use the space for another speaker, which would count as function not form too
winged bear
ok cool. you want the aesthetics of the gba sp which is my argument
no, i want a clamshell without sticks
just like i want anything that doesn't play ps2 to not have sticks
night raven
then buy the ANBERNIC
winged bear
if it exist
lofty cedar
Personally, the way I hold these smaller verticals, my hands will be fine, I just objected to your declaration that it was purely form vs function when that wasn't the complete case
winged bear
i'll probably buy both, but i hope the both have no sticks
night raven
both are vaporware
night raven
Personally, the way I hold these smaller verticals, my hands will be fine, I jus...
if they wanted to completely redesign the thing sure, which is unlikely to happen.
the miyoo mini was mono speaker too
lofty cedar
given their history, it's quite likely that they won't even release it
night raven
the speaker location on the mini flip is great specifically because its in the center of the device, if two speakers were put where the sticks are your hands would cover them most the time
i do agree tho sliders would be better for clamshells
the retroid pocket flip sliders were great
chilly thicket
you want the mono speaker on a gba sp clone
you don't want stereo speakers where the sticks are
the v90 has speakers there and it sucks
the real clambernic vs miyoo ergonomic debate is the gba sp style angle on the ABXY on the clambernic vs the perfect diamond on this
jaunty storm
the v90 has speakers there and it sucks
in fairness that is like 30$ 😅
probably not the best spekers in a 30$ devise
chilly thicket
in fairness that is like 30$ 😅
yeah I just mean I'd rather have the single mono speaker out of the way
night raven
Perfect diamond everyday, there's a reason why it's industry standard
chilly thicket
depends whether you're primarily gonna play GBC/GBA and want the correct angle for A+B at the expense of good X+Y placement or if you want the good layout for snes/ps1
I'm in the latter camp especially since the res isn't good for GBC/GBA anyway (640 x 480 again lmao)
this miyoo flip tbh looks like the perfect pocket ps1 handheld (and ps1 has the best retro game library of all time anyway)
arctic surge
Please have sliders if you're gonna include analog controls. That way it won't interfere too much with the dpad and buttons.
dawn stream
I wish Mikyoo went the anbernic way and just released 10 variations of it
ripe nacelle
Please have sliders if you're gonna include analog controls. That way it won't ...
This guy is just saying things to anger people
rough breach
This guy is just saying things to anger people
What, I like sliders on flip devices
ripe nacelle
This question has been addressed like 30 times
The sticks are recessed
The will not interfere with the dpad and buttons
Like whatsoever
rough breach
Meh I'm not focused on that, I just wanted to state that I like sliders
ripe nacelle
Me tooo
rough breach
They're underutilized
ripe nacelle
I bought the rp flip and I grew up with a new 3ds
rough breach
They can be on more than the 3ds and the rp flip
ripe nacelle
Rp flip is no bueno btw
rough breach
What do you have wrong with it?
ripe nacelle
The sliders are at a weird angle so you get diagonals when you want to go straight down.
It's just a minor annoyance but I've had other problems
First of all the hinge broke :/
rough breach
I had those problems with my 2ds xl
ripe nacelle
And then the battery pillowed up
rough breach
My original 2ds not a thing tho, it was a dream
Oh damn yikes
Yeah call retroid about that
ripe nacelle
I did
rough breach
Did they replace it or something?
ripe nacelle
I'm supposed to send it over but I haven't had time yet
But yeah they are taking care of it
ripe nacelle
The main annoyance was just that weird angle for the sticks
I would recommend just hacking a new 3ds
The "new" models are okay at emulation
rough breach
Telling you, they're underused
dawn stream
my RP flip's sliders are just fine
I like how they aren't sticks.
Should have been brave and just made them dpads.
dark oracle
First of all the hinge broke :/
retroid customer service will honor warranty on hinge issues, you should reach out to them
ripe nacelle
I did
They sent me a new shell but it was a pain to swap
I just would rather not have to do a shell swap
keen shard
Still really wanting this, but am increasingly sure that it wont
final oar
Why cant we have the best of both worlds where we have recessed sliders that you have to jam your thumbs down into to move around
Or put holes in the screen for the joysticks to sit through
dense oar
Honestly I would love sliders, but you’d likely need to to be much more horizontal for it to be comfy
shut otter
Another day of no new flip info 
chilly thicket
It’s Saturday and months before our last informed target date
shut otter
It’s Saturday and months before our last informed target date
What was the last target date?
chilly thicket
May wasn’t it?
shut otter
I have no idea, last I heard was april but that was a month or two ago 😂
onyx shoal
New image of the Flip just dropped. Check it out
rough breach
always wanted my palms to cover the screen while I play
how has nobody thought of this design yet
dusty pecan
🙏 a company behind r3xs makes a v90 knockoff with 3326
someone has any contact with that company? would drop em some ideas lol
night raven
Vaporware
subtle mango
I'm amazed non of those companies have even attempted making a clamshell
lofty cedar
Some would want a more recent design to ripoff before trying one and the more reputable ones probably have doubts about getting the hinge right after the problems retroid had with theirs.
light zenith
humble silo
Gosh this is the most hyped one for me and no rumors for so long
timber spindle
I'm amazed non of those companies have even attempted making a clamshell
no more clam shell............unless its for DS
and 2 screens
subtle mango
and costs nearly a grand
timber spindle
and costs nearly a grand
its ok. let me sell my kidney
subtle mango
I just want a RP Flip mini with something like the T310 or up to date equivalent
timber spindle
I just want a RP Flip mini with something like the T310 or up to date equivalent
with dual screen.
then yes
timber spindle
I have my hacked 3DS' for that
No. Not the same
subtle mango
too bad, I ain't spending that much on what is gonna be a software nightmare if you're not using windows
the most I'd spend on a X86 handheld is maybe $700
timber spindle
too bad, I ain't spending that much on what is gonna be a software nightmare if ...
Normal 3ds or xl?
rough breach
I just want a RP Flip mini with something like the T310 or up to date equivalent
I just want another microsoft duo phone, or for some other company to make a microsoft duo esque device
dual 4:3 displays 😍
timber spindle
I have my N3DSXL and my base 3DS, and a 2DS I need to hack at some point
But if you have a flip device with dual screen that works properly.....you need a n3dsxl, base 3ds or 2ds
In fact it would be a true all in one
Speaking of which I need a new3dsxl
keen shard
Im still rocking my n3ds, though would love a flip version of the Miyoo+ just to carry around.
ocean oracle
lofty cedar
Hopefully if miyoo do finally get round to releasing the flip they won't be that lazy with the controls, a purple variant should definitely have white controls not a grey dpad and skittles
keen shard
I would be happy with a generic black at this point so long as they actually release the thing.
lofty cedar
Same here, while I also had a regular gba, the sp hits the nostalgia harder
chilly thicket
Hopefully if miyoo do finally get round to releasing the flip they won't be that...
These are just fan art
edgy bobcat
keen shard
Same here, while I also had a regular gba, the sp hits the nostalgia harder
Also feel much more confident just tossing a clamshell into your pocket, throwing it in a bag or a purse, heck just leaving it in your jacket pocket. Its compact, and the worry that your going to scratch the screen goes away.
proven jay
I'm the only one that find nice the idea of use the clamshell also for the hdmi port?
opaque breach
Hopefully if it had some GPU
The original SigmaStar chipset was not something you'd drive a media center with
dark oracle
supposed to have rk3566 instead of the chip in the mini/mini+ so there's that
keen shard
I would be happy with the same specs as the other miyoos if it meant the thing came out.
dark oracle
on one hand, onion, but on the other hand, I'd really prefer being able to fast forward snes/ps1 rpgs
chilly thicket
on one hand, onion, but on the other hand, I'd really prefer being able to fast ...
Imagine if this leads to onion for 3566 devices though
subtle mango
Best Case Scenario
timber spindle
dual screen retro device when
lapis token
2030
chilly thicket
dual screen retro device when
When people stop using Android for anything worth more than $80
lapis token
Let me understand you want devices like 35xx with android & Odin 2 with linux ???
lofty cedar
seems more likely to eventually get a foldable than a dual screen device really, but they are obviously going nowhere near the handheld market anytime soon
lofty cedar
Let me understand you want devices like 35xx with android & Odin 2 with linux ??...
I'd assume he just means that android sucks on two screens, look at how many issues the surface duo had
lapis token
Dual screen DS & 3DS, don't they work good enough on wide screen devices?
I would love to have 35XX DS but i want it to be cheap. as long as emulation works flawless doesn't matter Android/Linux
chilly thicket
Let me understand you want devices like 35xx with android & Odin 2 with linux ??...
No just need custom Linux firmware to make a good two screen retro handheld experience
In an ideal world we would be using linux on all these handhelds rather than a cell phone OS
subtle mango
I'll just stick with my DSi, 3DS and N3DSXL for my dual screen handhelds
keen shard
Yeah I have a DSlite and new3ds so not crazy into a probably very expensive and niche device to emulate those systems. I mostly just want the miyoo flip for a daily driver handheld and am getting increasingly antsy about whether or not it will ever come out.
timber spindle
I'll just stick with my DSi, 3DS and N3DSXL for my dual screen handhelds
i heard the n3dsxl can run ps1?
timber spindle
When people stop using Android for anything worth more than $80
why wont people already do this.
chilly thicket
why wont people already do this.
Mediatek/unisoc are shitheads is the TLDR
Who break GPL on their BSP kernels
subtle mango
isn't it they don't have open kernels for people to dev with?
chilly thicket
Yeah, but they’re required to have open kernels since the kernels they are using are Linux based
So until they get sued hard by the free software foundation or something nothing will change
subtle mango
it seems we're just waiting for people to get the 3588 software really going before we start seeing actually powerful linux handhelds
well I guess there's the Allwinner chips but those are around the performance of the T618
chilly thicket
the future is very uncertain atm between arm getting better at running x86 software vs x86 chips getting more efficient
I think the current situation of using android TV box or smartphone chips will eventually pass
subtle mango
Android TV boxes have just stagnated for so damn long
timber spindle
it seems we're just waiting for people to get the 3588 software really going bef...
waiting patiently for 3588 device, either pk, gf or op
chilly thicket
Either we get better ARM ultrabook chips that run full mainline Linux or windows for ARM, or we get x86 chips that are cheap and efficient
subtle mango
waiting patiently for 3588 device, either pk, gf or op
I'm waiting for the RP Flip 2 with either the D900 or D1200
timber spindle
I'm waiting for the RP Flip 2 with either the D900 or D1200
no point unless dual screen too kekw
subtle mango
ok nerd
chilly thicket
I’d buy a flipS that uses the t610 even as long as it used the 2S dpad instead of the flip 1 and was slimmed down (ditch the fan, use inline shoulders to let the screen open further and be even more pocketable)
subtle mango
that'd be sick too
timber spindle
ok nerd
you know you want this
then you can play DS, 3ds properly on a retro handheld
chilly thicket
I don’t know if I do want a dual screen handheld unless it’s x86
subtle mango
I prefer the 2S dpad but I like the flips psudo anbernic Dpad
chilly thicket
I feel like I would want that second screen to have a use outside of NDS/3DS
subtle mango
then you can play DS, 3ds properly on a retro handheld
looks at my hacked DSi and 3DS, yeah sure
chilly thicket
So it would have to be a device I’d actually want to multitask on
subtle mango
that's what I'd use it for more TBH
have youtube or something on the bottom screen and then game on top
chilly thicket
Yeah, or vice versa
timber spindle
looks at my hacked DSi and 3DS, yeah sure
but you have 2 devices. With what im proposing, you would have 1 device
chilly thicket
Honestly if somebody other than ayaneo made the ayaneo flip I’d probably bite
Like if it were the steam deck 2 with a full steam input tool for making custom touch controls for the bottom screen and the clamshell form factor I’d buy
subtle mango
but you have 2 devices. With what im proposing, you would have 1 device
nah I'm good
timber spindle
altho the second argument is to refer to shelf full of devices
timber spindle
nah I'm good
ok. now put a 3080 into your pc
subtle mango
nah fugg off
timber spindle
3080 is cheap now
subtle mango
don't got PCI4.0 support
chilly thicket
I’m happy with my 4060 tbh
subtle mango
my 2060 is doin just fine
timber spindle
I’m happy with my 4060 tbh
what did you upgrade from?
chilly thicket
what did you upgrade from?
A 2070 super with failing thermal paste
So 20%-ish better benchmark with half the wattage and thermals that are actually functioning
subtle mango
good show
timber spindle
meanwhile sits here with 4080s and wonders why im still disatisfied
subtle mango
the rat race
chilly thicket
the secret is that I’m still happy with 1080p/60fps
I did just get a g-sync monitor that goes up to 180hz max though
subtle mango
the rat race kills all who join
chilly thicket
But everyone I know who is constantly struggling with constant GPU upgrades are trying to go higher res than 1080
subtle mango
1080p/60 on my 43" TV is honestly my favorite part of playing games rn
timber spindle
the secret is that I’m still happy with 1080p/60fps
my monitor is 1440 240hz
maybe im cpu bottlenecked
mayhaps i get a 7950x
chilly thicket
Maybe, I’m running a 5800x
subtle mango
or software bottlenecked
chilly thicket
Anyway, we’re way off topic
subtle mango
WHEN THE FUGG IS MIYOO GONNA GIVE US MO' INFO
chilly thicket
Where’s my miyoo clamshell RPG machine
subtle mango
YA
timber spindle
WHEN THE FUGG IS MIYOO GONNA GIVE US MO' INFO
when you accept dual screen flip from miyoo is what you want
subtle mango
this damn dog is being a dork again
I'll accept that when the software to optimize it is there
which.....probably ain't gonna be any time soon
timber spindle
this damn dog is being a dork again
this doggo is saying what you all wont
now excuse me while i play fetch with a ball
subtle mango
maybe a tiny oled screen for a battery level
but a series of three LEDs would be a beter option for that use IMO
chilly thicket
What this needs is a better res for gba than 640x480
The 960x640 in the ayaneo flip lower screen would be perfect for something like this
subtle mango
there it is
ripe nacelle
The 960x640 in the ayaneo flip lower screen would be perfect for something like ...
Ayaneo Mini?
keen shard
Seeing a lite version of Batocerra that seemingly runs on the 35xx H, that and a hypothetical Onion OS 2.0 would be really nice for the flip...assuming the flip ever comes out.
subtle mango
always gotta persume that this might be vaporware
timber spindle
always gotta persume that this might be vaporware
this is why i chose to believe this will be dual screen
subtle mango
that's some stronk hopium you're huffin
timber spindle
that's some stronk hopium you're huffin
if its vaporware
who the heck cares lol
i can hope for anything
subtle mango
I'll hope for your happiness
timber spindle
and give me a dual screen miyoo flip, with a screen that does 3x GBA
timber spindle
it's been fixed since October
but its not my door
subtle mango
what you crave won't make you happy
timber spindle
i crave a proper DS device
that can does DS properly
and play PSx
and arcade
oh and a 4090
timber spindle
why do you think i keep wanting a dual screen retro device
subtle mango
you crave different things believing that it'll fill some void in your soul that you can't identify
trying different things like "maybe this'll do it"
timber spindle
trying different things like "maybe this'll do it"
i do not do that
now let me buy that RP2s in clear green. Should have picked that color first. but nooo i had to do clear black
subtle mango
the clear green is real spiffy but it's not true jungle green
subtle mango
it's more on the blue side than the yellow side
timber spindle
i will be comparing the rp2s clear vs 35xxh
and keeping one
then pray for this device to work
timber spindle
mostly because clear colored plastic makes me nostalgic
oh yea, thats partly the reason why i keep coming back
subtle mango
I'm glad that these companies are making more transparent designs
timber spindle
need a proper atomic purple device tho
subtle mango
yeah none of the companies have gotten it quite right
Anbernic is the worst one IMO
timber spindle
AYN odin1 too light, odin2 alittle closer but not there, i dunno what Anbernic is doing, Retroid is okaaaaaaay
subtle mango
Miyoo I think was like a bit too redish
timber spindle
miyoo had one?
subtle mango
yeah the MM+ came in a clear purple
timber spindle
oh real
subtle mango
it's better than Anbernics but still off
timber spindle
what is the best attempt so far?
subtle mango
probably Miyoo from what I've seen in person
from what I've seen on screen probably the grape RP2
subtle mango
the RP3+ came in clear purple?
timber spindle
yea
subtle mango
I don't remember that one then
timber spindle
subtle mango
oh that looks better
timber spindle
it just need to be alittle lighter from the second pic
and maybe slightly brighter
subtle mango
I love colored buttons
timber spindle
i would have liked the 2s to have black buttons too
timber spindle
I love colored buttons
couldnt ever since the pain incident made it harder to press down lol
subtle mango
the RP2S uses proper colored buttons
I think Retroid learned from the mistakes of the RP3 painted buttons
timber spindle
the RP2S uses proper colored buttons
Did they
Well that's one thing in their favorites
But will they win me over the anbernic???
subtle mango
I'm waiting for Retroid to make the next flip
timber spindle
I don't think they will
subtle mango
damn
subtle mango
sadge
subtle mango
or D1200
subtle mango
after playing my 3DS so much and then getting the X18S that clamshell bug bit me good
timber spindle
Too close to Odin 2 base
timber spindle
after playing my 3DS so much and then getting the X18S that clamshell bug bit me...
X18s is good? Or bad
subtle mango
it's a mixed bag
subtle mango
I feel the unit I got had modified button membranes from what people were reporting from because they feel nice
the Dpad is kinda bad but I find it usable enough
The Sticks are those weirdo knockoff Vita sticks that were on the OG RGB10
timber spindle
Oh real
Then the retroid flip would have been a perfect one
Why didn't you get that one
subtle mango
the shoulders feel like analog but they feel good
I got a retroid flip
again the bug bit me good
the larger screen is really nice on the X18S
subtle mango
tho my flip has a broken L1 button
I have a work around by binding the M1 button to L1 in emulators
I haven't spent much time on the RPflip tho so I can't really speak about the controls
timber spindle
tho my flip has a broken L1 button
So your dream would be a flip2 with better controls?
Retroid laughs in broken L2 on rp4 pro
subtle mango
a slider handheld?
timber spindle
Yea
subtle mango
that'd be sick
timber spindle
And it would be easy to engineer
subtle mango
A handheld the size roughly of the RK2023 but with like a 5 inch screen
timber spindle
A handheld the size roughly of the RK2023 but with like a 5 inch screen
Right? Tell me people don't want that
subtle mango
maybe spec wise give it a RK3566 but give it 4gb ram so it has more to actually work with
timber spindle
maybe spec wise give it a RK3566 but give it 4gb ram so it has more to actually ...
I'd actually want a t610 at a min at that stage
Coz it would be a psp machine
subtle mango
fair
T610 with 3 or 4gb ram
because PSP doesn't need more than 3gb in most cases unless you're going ham upscaling
timber spindle
because PSP doesn't need more than 3gb in most cases unless you're going ham ups...
But you want the higher ram coz android
subtle mango
3gb on my RP2S has been more than enough for even gamecube
PS2 is where it gets a bit dodgy
timber spindle
I dunno......android bloat can be very annoying
subtle mango
3gb is fine
subtle mango
you can have the 64gb of storage
timber spindle
you can have the 64gb of storage
Can I have dual screen flip too
subtle mango
two cookie?
subtle mango
how about we have the 4gb ram in a higher speced version with 128gb of storage
timber spindle
I will take that compromise
subtle mango
then the 3gb 64gb model will be $20 cheaper
timber spindle
then the 3gb 64gb model will be $20 cheaper
Oh so that's the intent
subtle mango
cheaper model for me , the cheap bitch
subtle mango
why $164 USD?
timber spindle
D1200 will be 4/128 and 220
subtle mango
ya know what..fair
timber spindle
why $164 USD?
Coz first flip was 154 I think? So 164 is an increase but you get less ram and storage compared to flip
And a more powerful chip
subtle mango
SD cards are cheap as chips now tho
timber spindle
Eh you think retroid will consider that
subtle mango
you only really need that on board stoage for your emulators and maybe some apps
maybe a small handfull of android games
timber spindle
Hmm I think we just gave retroid their new idea
For a slide
And a sequel to flip
Now who do we tell to pass this idea to them
subtle mango
we better get review units for this
timber spindle
Instead of dpad on top
subtle mango
do the KTR1 thing on have that as an option
timber spindle
No way retroid will do that lol
subtle mango
we can dream
timber spindle
we better get review units for this
Oh heck yea
subtle mango
and I'd make the most awful review ever because I'd keep rambling off
timber spindle
I'd listen to it
Shows the passion
Mine will be very simple
Dpad on top? No? Fail device. End review
subtle mango
ramblin' Dar and Focused Rii
timber spindle
Not focused. Only care about one thing LOL
subtle mango
one track Rii
though looking at Retroids track record it's not likely for it to be Dpad bottom
timber spindle
Yea I'm surprised the 4 pro is dpad on top
subtle mango
I think they just felt that most people want the dualshock layout
timber spindle
Pr maybe there isn't anyone else but them doing that on higher specced systems
night raven
Xbox is literally dying and people think their controller layout is good
It was never good
D-pad on top for life
subtle mango
I like the feel of the Xbox paddles, but I like the dualshock layout more
night raven
We in the gang wars now, it's violence on sight
Don't let me catch you out after dark
subtle mango
ok there bucko
ain't it past your bedtime?
(please read those in a goofy mocking voice)
subtle mango
They started it
timber spindle
And we all move on happy
timber spindle
They started it
And the bigger man is the one who walks away first
night raven
I just felt like saying some goofy shit and he thought I was talking to him for some reason
timber spindle
And the even bigger man realises dual screen flip is what we want
subtle mango
once the software is there
timber spindle
In case people didn't realise. I'm being sarcastic/mockingn too
subtle mango
how about just more clamshell devices around?
timber spindle
I just felt like saying some goofy shit and he thought I was talking to him for ...
Oh it's on now. You don't make a fool out of me. Now I look dumb for trying to clear a non existent fight
night raven
We're all on the same side here, the d-pad on top gang
Save the violence for the ones that deserve it
The Xbox layout infidels will be cleansed from this Earth
subtle mango
AYN wants left stick on top tho
timber spindle
AYN wants left stick on top tho
This is why we go to war with them
subtle mango
you're outnumbered Ayn
timber spindle
"enters Ayn discord"
subtle mango
Besides not being OLED
honestly at that pricepoint it not being OLED was weird
timber spindle
I was ok with it
As I thought they needed somewhere where they can save money as the 8 gen 2 was still newish
And probably still quite expensive
I think they were trying really hard to hit a certain price point
subtle mango
ODIN 2 ULTIMATE FOR $499 WITH AMOLED DISPLAY
timber spindle
~~ODIN 2 ULTIMATE FOR $499 WITH AMOLED DISPLAY~~
Better be metal too
Coz gen 2 can get toasty
night raven
I think they just have a massive hard on for 6-in screens since all three of their devices had it, and there's no 6-in OLED screens
subtle mango
doesn't the thing have active cooling?
timber spindle
doesn't the thing have active cooling?
Imo not as effective as it can be
timber spindle
I think they just have a massive hard on for 6-in screens since all three of the...
Probably couldn't source 5.5 OLED coz it was bought up by Arthur and max
chilly thicket
Nah, it would look bad for the odin 2 to have a smaller screen than the odin 1, even if it did mean OLED
timber spindle
Nah, it would look bad for the odin 2 to have a smaller screen than the odin 1, ...
im like 99% sure peeps wouldnt mind a slightly smaller screen for oled
@subtle mango random question about the N3dsXL
have you ever tried psx on that
and how well does it run if you did
timber spindle
I haven't tried any emulation on my N3DSXL
im tempted to buy a n3ds just to do psx
and say it can LOL
subtle mango
go for it and report back
timber spindle
go for it and report back
Checked the benchmarks. It goes for around 30fps. Not worth
But the additional CPU power for 3ds is welcome
digital field
lilac coyote
keen shard
Well that suggest if official that at least the flip will be just the miyoo flip, not something cumbersome like the miyoo mini plus flip… if it ever comes out
spark girder
chilly thicket
The news:
“Hello Cancelled shakes hands”
timber spindle
Miyoo flip when
do we even know what chip it would be or screen aspect or anything?
tawdry obsidian
Rk3566, patent drawings and prototypes seem to show a 3.5 inch 4:3 display
night raven
Vaporware
timber spindle
Vaporware
let me dream drew
if it doesnt come i will buy a 4090
to replace my 7800xt
covert frigate
Oh wow wow its real
subtle mango
proof?
subtle mango
News can be it's obituary
lofty cedar
You'd hope that meant positive news as why would they hype up a cancellation. 😄
subtle mango
They have a populated graveyard
subtle mango
282
probably dozens of others that we don't know of
maybe a slider idea
or a landscape MM+
hell maybe a P60V was in the works and got canned
subtle mango
they had a fully working prototype of the P60
Miyoo works in very strange ways that aren't known to us nerds
lofty cedar
the p60 would seem like a simpler device for them to release, no hinge issues to overcome
subtle mango
and if they slapped it at the right price point they'd for sure make a splash
lofty cedar
It was higher spec than an mm+ wasn't it?
lofty cedar
Should have taken a leaf out of anbernic's book and reworked it into an mm+ H instead
subtle mango
fugg off nerd
timber spindle
fugg off nerd
why so mean to animals
subtle mango
this doggo is a picky little shit tho
timber spindle
this doggo is a picky little shit tho
this doggo is not picky
this doggo just knows what he wants
subtle mango
if Miyoo made their Android ROM right, there'd be little issues
subtle mango
he needs his .003 frame times for perfect pressing of the RetroArch FF hotkey
with modern android builds the input lag/delay is no worse than an RF wireless controller
timber spindle
he needs his .003 frame times for perfect pressing of the RetroArch FF hotkey
doggo needs the perfect inputs for speedruns. So need good no accidental diagonal dpad too
which the RP2s suprisingly is pretty good
subtle mango
using a handheld for speedrunning is a bad move right there
timber spindle
using a handheld for speedrunning is a bad move right there
it was before emu happened
i still challenge that era to this day
most do on console or emu now
subtle mango
aren't the categories split for ones using emu and real hardware?
I know DK64 does this
timber spindle
yea it is
i use to do real hardware
but since my gba died
and my psx died
i do on handheld. as its closest to owning a gba
subtle mango
fair I suppose
subtle mango
I've seen GBAs locally go for around $60-$80
timber spindle
not where i am
subtle mango
unmodded tho
well I'll message you when I go to my local shop next and they have GBAs
subtle mango
ooF
lofty cedar
gba is about half the price of a 3ds over here
chilly thicket
My guess is whatever killed the miyoo p60 was the same thing that made nobody else use the p60 - some type of chip availability or software support problem
As for the 282 I think they delayed (or cancelled?) that to do this first/instead
keen shard
I've come to the conclusion with zero evidence that Powkiddy has some level of say in what Miyoo can put out as they are selling the mini plus and dont want a miyoo flip to compete with their own v90.
Is that at all realistic? Probably not.
BUT I WANT A VILLIAN TO BLAME FOR NO FLIP!!
solemn silo
Does miyoo usually include screen protectors? Is it plastic or glass?
dawn stream
all of the ones I bought had protectors
they seem to be made of some sort of transparent material.
night raven
The villain is miyoo
dawn bone
I’ve never received a screen protector from them
opaque breach
Does miyoo usually include screen protectors? Is it plastic or glass?
Likely plastic, but I think it has some special stamping applied to it. Don't be amazed though, any phone can have one like this.
dawn bone
all of the ones I bought had protectors
Did you buy directly through them on ali? I thought it was only third party sellers that usually include them (for miyoo, ik other companies do sell/provide screen protectors)
Or maybe they do for the + as I only have minis and idk about that
opaque breach
So I bought both the Miyoo from a third party seller and the RG35xx+ from Anbernic's own store. Both have screen protectors
The bigger question is does anyone here NOT screw up applying these?
radiant burrow
The bigger question is does anyone here NOT screw up applying these?
I sometimes get it right. I usually don't take off the factory plastic until I'm ready to apply. Just to minimize dust
sullen vine
[Rumor Mill]
"MIYOO Mini Flip" (clamshell design) ETA—April 2024
Update courtesy of u/Kooky-Poem-7658
timber spindle
they said that a few times
first it was august or something last year
then october
heady relic
fading anchor
The bigger question is does anyone here NOT screw up applying these?
I messed mine up as well
radiant burrow
Don't know why people keep asking them and posting it. Waste of time. They just give the same response with a new month every time
proven adder
then they cancel it
worthy kettle
will get hyped/interested when a reviewer got one in their hands
solemn silo
How hard is it actually to make a handheld?
It can’t be that hard if anbernic is releasing one every few months
lofty cedar
It is probably hard to drag themselves away from the money fights they keep having the mm and mm+ profits
blazing prawn
How hard is it actually to make a handheld?
Lol, it's not like just walking to radio shack and buying some parts then assembling.
If they actually do testing, products take a while to get into production.
lilac heart
Miyoo P60 enters the chat
onyx minnow
https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-donald-duck-swimming-in-money-gold-coins-gif-1665...
Sorry had to reply with that 😅
jaunty storm
You know if miyoo wants a easy to make handheld shape why not make a handheld based off of the gba?
dawn stream
it's easy to make a handheld
but getting the funding to actually sell it?
that's hard
subtle mango
Software is also another hurdle
blazing prawn
Easy? I mean if you are a company that already makes handhelds, sure.
blazing prawn
In April when they officially cancel this and talk about that for a year then cancel that too
elfin patrol
Miyoo never talks about unreleased handhelds
Everything is always patent filings, leaks, and people asking them questions on AliExpress chat
elfin patrol
but getting the funding to actually sell it?
Do you mean designing a handheld is easy and getting the funding to manufacturer it is hard?
chilly thicket
People latch on to handhelds that have never been actually announced, make up dates they want them to release, then get mad when they’re late
opaque breach
People latch on to handhelds that have never been actually announced, make up da...
This honestly
Until Miyoo has a public announcement, nothing counts as official. Patent fillings might be close but it's still hit-or-miss.
worthy kettle
a patent filing counts for "they are thinking about making this" at best
timber spindle
Dual screen flip when
pale gyro
Waiting on info. Been 4 weeks since I seen anything new.
fickle patrol
I've said this before in here but I think Miyoo is probably a very small company and it's probably just not worthwhile for them to bring a new device to market as long as the mini plus is still selling well
Especially since they self-market these things now
lofty cedar
The obvious counterpoint to that is that even a small company needs to be prepared for new releases, if they wait until the mm+ stops selling well then it will be far too late for them
fickle patrol
Yeah ofc and I guess they're probably close enough to being ready
Well ready with something anyway. Might be the 282 first since it's a simpler design
lofty cedar
I'd also suspect that you are overstating how small a company they actually are, this is not a ktr or gameforce few people in a shed situation
fickle patrol
Yeah it's not DIY but it's not like Anbernic size either. Probably comparable to the company that makes the RGB stuff for powkiddy
arctic surge
Wonder how many products they have in the pipeline. I just want a more powerful v90 with better controls and overall build quality.
opaque breach
2 at best
dawn stream
I would even be happy with just the V90 but good build quality.
twilit sun
ive thought that a rugged portable makes sense. it can take a tumble and be fine.
timber spindle
Dual screen miyoo flip when
subtle mango
alright head for break the quota was met
timber spindle
alright head for break the quota was met
Doggo demands dual screen retro handheld
subtle mango
Not higher wages and universal health care?
timber spindle
Not higher wages and universal health care?
worthy sacrifices for dual screen handheld
subtle mango
this doggo is out of line
timber spindle
3566 according to patents
subtle mango
it joins the ranks of yet another 3566 devices
timber spindle
make it dual screen and be unique
opaque breach
make it dual screen and be unique
Actually 3 screens might be a neat idea
One screen exclusively for terminal logs
timber spindle
Actually 3 screens might be a neat idea
oh i support this
but some people wont
side eyes Kalim
opaque breach
https://the-portable-monitor.com/en-hk/blogs/news/advantages-of-gaming-with-3-screens
Something along the lines of this, just at 3.5 inches
chilly thicket
why stop at 3?
night raven
https://the-portable-monitor.com/en-hk/blogs/news/advantages-of-gaming-with-3-sc...
I love crazy Microsoft flight simulator setups
I will never be as hardcore as this man. Transforming a room of his house into a shrine for one game that he plays for thousands of hours
chilly thicket
That’s pretty much what league of legends players do except instead of multiple bespoke monitor stands it’s just a 2008 gaming laptop with the loudest fan of all time sitting on top of a badly dented Walmart dinner table
sullen vine
Crazy how setups like these can now be replaced by something like a Bigscreen Beyond and be even more immersive.
lofty cedar
give it time and a lack of oversight and even those will be replaced by brain chips instead. 😄
toxic heath
Crazy how setups like these can now be replaced by something like a Bigscreen Be...
They can't, technology is still not up there (yet)
sullen vine
Is it because of resolution limitations on the bigscreen beyond? It can display in 6DOF though.
One thing I'm curious about is what makes spatial video so immersive, I think more than higher resolutions spatial video is the next frontier.
Sorry, we've gone off topic lol
toxic heath
No it's just about the limits on the actual visors, people really prefer having less hassle to play, sitting and playing is much better if you have the space and money to make a rig like that
If it was much better, lighter, better res ect it would take place for sure
idle flower
With all the new messages since I was last here, I thought there was definitely an update somewhere
timber spindle
With all the new messages since I was last here, I thought there was definitely ...
im sorry. its mostly me demanding a dual screen flip
tawdry obsidian
The P60 channel was the exact same
keen shard
20% expecting it to come out any day.
10% demanding other things and arguing about why that won’t happen
20% here to watch that go down with popcorn in hand.
50% hoping it comes out but not bothered one way or another.
That’s my breakdown anyway
subtle mango
No that's pretty accurate
night raven
I wanted this at first, now I think it's vaporware and I'm just here to meme
empty cedar
I just can't imagine those sticks being comfy there but at the same time the clambernic is in limbo
Shoot maybe I'll just get a v90 lmao
keen shard
Shoot maybe I'll just get a v90 lmao
That’s pretty well where I’m at. A clamshell is the best balance for me between decent screen and pocketability and while I would like a miyoo mini level device quality and spec wise I’m to the point of buying a v90 and calling it a day
subtle mango
if I see a red or yellow V90 pop up in the marketplace I'll probably jump on it
jaunty storm
who wants to bet the retroid flip 2 comes out before the clambernic or miyoo flip? 
dawn bone
there is a non-zero chance none of those devices come out
subtle mango
why you gotta do that
subtle mango
who wants to bet the retroid flip 2 comes out before the clambernic or miyoo fli...
I'd probably preorder that
timber spindle
if I see a red or yellow V90 pop up in the marketplace I'll probably jump on it
just buy it from pk?
subtle mango
I could but hey I'm in no major rush
timber spindle
I could but hey I'm in no major rush
i just feel at 40ish dollars
it can be an impulse buy
honestly, im suprised they havent done an RK3326 v90
dusty tree
I'd probably preorder that
Same, honestly have loved my Retroid Flip.
Though TBH if anyone makes a small windows clamshell through using a lower power processor or something I'd probably just use that
vocal grove
I LOVE CLAMSHELLS
timber spindle
vocal grove
pulsar reef
This is still not coming right? XD
pale gyro
What is the last AE update from a unofficial source?
twilit sun
Lets flip this around
This is NOT coming out. They have moved on.
Lets all talk about this fan fiction handheld clamshell
vocal grove
Whats your guys dream handheld device
timber spindle
Lets all talk about this fan fiction handheld clamshell
So....3 screen clamshell with 3588
And 12gb ram
timber spindle
Whats your guys dream handheld device
A rollable handheld
worthy kettle
not a clamshell, but a foldable handheld. foldable twice
for ultimate pocketability
empty cedar
Whats your guys dream handheld device
the anbernic rg28xx that'll be in development limbo until the heat death of the universe
opaque breach
Whats your guys dream handheld device
Small CRT + magnifying lens + good reflector. It will be a portable electric dynamite in my hands but it might as well be.
twilit sun
not a clamshell, but a foldable handheld. foldable twice
"How many folds do you want?"
"How many times can you fold a piece of paper?"
lofty cedar
7
sullen vine
What if they do release it but it folds horizontally
opaque breach
What if they do release it but it folds horizontally <:kek:993736782845845504>
What about 4-dimensionally
lofty cedar
that'll teach them. 😃
vocal grove
Any updates😢
empty cedar
Until we hear it from the horse's mouth all we can do is speculate
final oar
if they dont release the miyoo flip in 48 hours im putting my money where my mouth is and buying a v90
gilded wasp
if they dont release the miyoo flip in 48 hours im putting my money where my mou...
Buy the V90 now because it’s not getting released anytime soon.
vocal grove
The handhelds spreadsheet says april
opaque breach
The handhelds spreadsheet says april
That's what the customer service front said, but take that with a grain of salt
Apparently back in October, some folks asked some Anbernic customer service members if there was gonna be an upgrade model from the RG35XX, the service folks said no, the folks ordered the RG35XX only to realize they had been screwed over when the RG35XX Plus came out November.
dawn bone
They also said they’d have news “soon” on the flip 2 weeks ago
Unless I just missed the news, nothing official has been announced
keen shard
Im honestly pretty well convinced this is cancelled or else in development hell at this stage.
vocal grove
It better not be
subtle mango
my hopes are low as the soil at this point
though if it does come to be, I'll be preordering
subtle mango
They'll lose a ton of community respect if they do cancel at this point
vocal grove
They first said November, then December, then January, then February, and now march or april
subtle mango
if they flop this, they might get chucked into GKD levels of trust
vocal grove
It’s probably stuck in development limbo
subtle mango
I'm gonna guess it's the software that's doing their heads in
vocal grove
They should give a development unit to the people who make onion os
Ive never had a miyoo device
subtle mango
These companies are very fickle when it comes to getting the community to help with software
I want to say it's more a pride thing for them
dawn bone
I mean there’s still the possibility that onion doesn’t come to the flip, is it basically confirmed that it would be a different chip?
subtle mango
it's the 3566 for this one which is Miyoos first time using this
dawn bone
Thought it was that, I just can never remember the numbers
subtle mango
it means we have a clamshell that can play a lot of N64 and DreamCast which is pretty damn nice
opaque breach
With sticks maybe
And likely readymade EmulationStation solutions right around the corner
In fact if they were lazy technically they wouldn't need to program ANYTHING and the devicetree and the power management chip routine would be "meal ready to eat"
timber spindle
it means we have a clamshell that can play a lot of N64 and DreamCast which is p...
Can play but not perfect
No buy
Unless dual screen
subtle mango
it's good enough for me
opaque breach
Kirby 64 and Smash worked
timber spindle
I'm actually seriously impressed by the 35xx+ and h actually
subtle mango
as long as I can boost the Vram to 208mb I'll be fine
timber spindle
I'm shocked these are so cheap and can play DC pretty well
And I hate anbernic
DOA2 60fps no frameskip
Then we'll talk
subtle mango
you'll be waiting for a while then kiddo
timber spindle
you'll be waiting for a while then kiddo
Doggos kid will continue the wait
I have taught him well
subtle mango
no it must be doggo themselves who will wait
timber spindle
no it must be doggo themselves who will wait
When I go. Doggos kid will continue the wait
subtle mango
that's fair
chilly thicket
if they flop this, they might get chucked into GKD levels of trust
They should be after the MMv4 screen res bait and switch tbh
timber spindle
They should be after the MMv4 screen res bait and switch tbh
Bait and switch? What
chilly thicket
Bait and switch? What
When they brought back the MM as the v4 they were still claiming it was a 640x480 screen when it was really a 750x560 screen they were driving at 640x480 so it was always double scaling and blurring shit
Onion 4.3 luckily fixed it so that it can run games at 750x560 so it isn’t double scaling but it still is a worse res for everything but GBA
Now that 4.3 is out I might pick up a v4 again specifically for gba but it was a big deal at the time
timber spindle
Now that 4.3 is out I might pick up a v4 again specifically for gba but it was a...
2.6 3x sounds nice i dunno how anyone can pixel peek that well
854*480 3x 4.4inch is where its at
chilly thicket
854*480 3x 4.4inch is where its at
What handheld has that?
I have an 854x480 handheld but it’s 5”
timber spindle
I have an 854x480 handheld but it’s 5”
i was meaning the RGB10 max series with that 5Inch screen
my bad
soz
vocal grove
it means we have a clamshell that can play a lot of N64 and DreamCast which is p...
Dont forget some ps1 and psp😏😏
I downloaded legally purchased some psx and psp games because i realized i didn’t have any
timber spindle
I ~~downloaded~~ **legally purchased** some psx and psp games because i realized...
receipt or proof of transaction?
vocal grove
subtle mango
I ripped the Spyro games and xenoGears off of my PS3
twilit sun
its IN the computer?
vocal grove
This thing is dead with the p60
visual reef
vivid crater
visual reef
timber spindle
Dual screen mini flip when
opaque breach
I want a VR Miyoo
sullen vine
hybrid wave
Dual screen mini flip when
I’m ready to auto-buy the first dual-screen handheld that’s $200 or less
Whoever gets there first gets my cash
timber spindle
https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353
hope is what drive people forward
So quad screen mini flip when
hybrid wave
So quad screen mini flip when
Yeah bwoiii
dusty pecan
i would wait some week or two, then berate miyoo on their ali shop profile
edgy bobcat
So quad screen mini flip when
I heard the Miyoo Mini Origami wouldn't arrive until October
timber spindle
I heard the Miyoo Mini Origami wouldn't arrive until October
Too late I want 10 screens on my flip now
edgy bobcat
Too late I want 10 screens on my flip now
oh the Dodecahedroid?
twilit sun
We will all settle for vr with a block of wood in our hands
sullen vine
I heard the test only has obe question. Will it exist?
empty cedar
Schrodinger's clamshell
jaunty storm
at this point the retroid pocket flip 2 will be out first
empty cedar
Metroid Prime 4 is gonna hit shelves before the MMFlip does
twilit sun
Half life 3 will be a launch title
timber spindle
we might get left 4 dead 3
subtle mango
Team fortress 3 will be active by the time they announce the release date
twilit sun
Ill watch the Elder Scrolls 7 announcement trailer on it
lavish widget
worn flax
April of 2025
opaque breach
I'd rather not ask 'em
I'm not surprised if they put up a REPORT/BLOCK policy if users ask about speculated "leaked" stuff
vocal grove
Wasn’t this thing supposed to be released in November or something 😭
opaque breach
Customer support can't really say anything about anything that actually matters unless it's about the products that ARE being sold and serviced
So constantly poking them about unannounced upcoming products, in my opinion at least, doesn't work and only dissolves "trust" that wasn't even founded to begin with
empty cedar
have a big ol pinned message in here saying "we'll get it when we get it"
vivid crater
Wasn’t this thing supposed to be released in November or something 😭
It's never even been confirmed as real
vocal grove
Well customer support acknowledging it is confirmation its real. Its just never been announced
loud quartz
If it's announced around April to May when will it come out, June?
lavish widget
If it's announced around April to May when will it come out, June?
July bruuu
twilit sun
ya in my view it has never been pushed back or delayed because its not even announced. We are peering in through the window speculating on its progress then getting impatient. Its fun to discuss though lol. Hell powkiddy may skid in in the last moments and release the v100 before the other (apparent) two.
chilly thicket
yeah, just a bunch of people harassing a sales rep about R+D they have nothing to do with, making up 'release dates' for a completely unnannounced product then getting mad that it's 'late'
jaunty storm
so who wants to take bets on what clamshell comes out first miyoo, anbernic, or retroid?
chilly thicket
Anbernic are cowards and will never make one
if they were gonna make one it would've been two years ago to fight the v90
retroid I think fucked up the flip and dunno if they are gonna try again especially after the RP4 launch QC problems
jaunty storm
I guess we can also throw ayn in the ring as a wild card
chilly thicket
my money is on miyoo just not gonna happen overnight based on a timeframe somebody has bullied a sales rep into speculating on
chilly thicket
I guess we can also throw ayn in the ring as a wild card
I believe they basically told Joey "lol no" when he asked
the only potential wildcard I see for somebody beating miyoo to a clamshell retro handheld (not x86) is if GPD decides to do another android device
jaunty storm
after the wait for the p60 and the wait for the miclam I can't say I have much faith in it coming out any time soon
lofty cedar
if they were gonna make one it would've been two years ago to fight the v90
It probably didn't make any sense back then, but they presumably want to build out the XX range further and stuff like a clamshell or a 1:1 seem like obvious candidates for them to do so
pale gyro
Nothing new in here ever. Miyoo I hate you.
rotund ember
the only potential wildcard I see for somebody beating miyoo to a clamshell retr...
If we're talking sub $100 devices the bigger wildcard would be TrimUI
I'd take that as an excuse to buy a TrimUI, actually. Their shells and buttons look pretty nice to me
keen shard
Got a trimui smart a week ago and really like it, good build and buttons. A flip from them would be cool
timber spindle
Doggo demands his Miyoo Flip
shut otter
Surely they'll announce it soon-ish, I'm sure they can see the hype for it online.
timber spindle
^
arctic surge
I hope it's soon. And at least Dreamcast performance.
lofty cedar
Only rumours of a faster chipset for this one have been rk3566, so dreamcast would be bordeline
Probably the reason for the delays, miyoo are scared of the thought of using a different chipset and not having the cushion of onionos to promote their device
arctic surge
I'd take that as an excuse to buy a TrimUI, actually. Their shells and buttons l...
Man I love my TrimUI devices. They can take a beating. I keep one in my glove box so it's being jostled constantly yet still works fantastic (minus some scratches which you can't see during gameplay).
rich plover
its gonna be interesting if this really is a 3566 with arkos not doing new devices and jelos dropping 3566 support. probably still gonna get some dev love i would hope but maybe not from the usual rockchip suspects
lofty cedar
You'd think that a safer option for them would be to just reuse the same chipset as the other two or jump all the way up to an android chipset, just the former would drive sales as mm/mm+ owners would buy it for the new form factor
rich plover
yeah idk they're not gonna get repeat business that way tho. they're just gonna wind up competing with themselves for the same entry level market i think
but yeah idk they keep taking too long to launch these new more powerful systems they tease lol. if the miyoo mini horizontal came out closer to when they first teased it, it could have done well but idk now. same with the p60 which i really wanted to be real
chilly thicket
its gonna be interesting if this really is a 3566 with arkos not doing new devic...
My hope for this is onionOS getting ported to other chipsets
rich plover
honestly i think thats unlikely or at least gonna be messy cuz onionos is kind of built on top of the stock firmware.
chilly thicket
On a pocketable handheld I want something with a quick mode script like onion or minUI over an ES firmware
rich plover
its not really a true cfw
chilly thicket
Yeah I think miyoo is gonna make a stock firmware for this
That hopefully onion can run on top of
rich plover
yeah true
chilly thicket
There’s also the option for something like the minUI for rgb30, which runs on top of a cut down fork of jelos
rich plover
onion coming to other 3566 devices would be really cool actually lol. not sure id personally use it but its good to have a beginner friendly os recommendation
im a weirdo in the sense that i kinda like running different firmwares on all my handhelds lol, makes them feel unique
chilly thicket
I definitely use different firmwares for different use cases
If it’s a handheld I’m playing in 5 minute intervals at work my priorities are different than if I’m playing on the couch for two hours
rich plover
yeah fair
idk ive kind of fallen in love with muos the more i use it lol. i like minimal aesthetic but not minimal featureset so its kind of the best of both worlds
chilly thicket
This as a clamshell definitely falls into the former, so I want light weight, fast boot, quick shut down, etc
rich plover
yeah i like lightweight fast boot quick shutdown but i also like still having access to full retroarch configs and a broad set of cores. so minui isnt really for me
chilly thicket
Yeah, onionOS for me is a good middle ground between an ES firmware and minUI, but obviously it only exists on two handhelds
ArkOS is great with the quick mode script, theRA for rg arc has it too now
rich plover
yeah muos is also only on two handhelds right now lol. it doesnt quite have a full quick mode equivalent yet but in other ways i think its a good midground between es and minui
chilly thicket
I’ll give muOS a try once/if it comes to Arc
I don’t own anything else it runs on
rich plover
its relatively new and afaik isnt forking anything existing but its already pretty solid. and i like its design philosophy
opaque breach
Yeah, onionOS for me is a good middle ground between an ES firmware and minUI, b...
The big part of OnionOS is all the apps they managed to cram in there
The menu UI is all inherited from stock
chilly thicket
Yeah honestly the menu UI is borderline irrelevant beyond being serviceable for getting into game, the gameswitcher is the star
opaque breach
I guess we can also throw ayn in the ring as a wild card
Ayn is high-end Retroid, same company
opaque breach
idk ive kind of fallen in love with muos the more i use it lol. i like minimal ...
For Miyoo, you have Allion as a similar solution. Onion, Allion and stock are based on the same software framework so to speak so they can share the same bunch of new apps like GNU music player and FFplay (The latter is quirky because Onion preloads a shell and Allion acts like it were launched with RetroArch)
dawn stream
Is it confirmed Retroid are Ayn or is it just a very solid theory?
vivid crater
They both deny it.
languid sundial
They are not, they have the same parent company though - Moorechip, so they share software and some hardware (like sticks for example)
But also, apparently its similar situation with Miyoo and Trimui
dawn stream
Is powkiddy also in that Miyoo and Trimui situation?
Cause it's weird how they appear in their store
lofty cedar
maybe powkiddy just want to improve the overall quality in their store? 😄
opaque breach
Is powkiddy also in that Miyoo and Trimui situation?
Powkiddy is very different. They're very active resellers of all kinds of other handhelds ranging from Famiclones to Android units, while havingg their own brand
chilly thicket
They are not, they have the same parent company though - Moorechip, so they shar...
I don’t think this is even the case. My understanding is that retroid is owned by moorechip, ayn is independent but I believe contracts out manufacturing to moorechip (none of these handheld companies are big enough to have their own factories… other than moorechip so they’re all being made by third party OEMs other than the brand that is owned by a third party OEM - retroid)
Most of these companies do design + sales while contracting out the rest, powkiddy’s lineup is all over the place because sales is basically the only unified “powkiddy” thing and has multiple independent design teams - like all the “RGB” stuff is one team, etc
(And the waters are further muddied by them selling some handhelds that aren’t even powkiddy branded from miyoo and trimUI)
fickle patrol
Yeah although they have sold powkiddy branded versions of devices from both miyoo and trimui as well. Powkiddy contains multitudes. There's also a branch that sells camping equipment in China
It seems like they're focusing more heavily on the RGB-team devices lately though and have kinda abandoned a lot of their old product lines, like the budget X series stuff they used to sell
From what jdewitz has said I think there was a new manager that took over at some point & that was when they switched focus
The RGB "team" as far as I can tell is really an independent company but I guess they have an exclusive contract with powkiddy to sell their stuff
Anyway sorry to anyone who saw this channel light up and came in thinking there was flip news & it was just me rambling
vivid crater
I think everyone sensible gave up on there being any flip news about about 3 months ago.
fickle patrol
yeah just forget about it and one day you might be pleasantly surprised when it pops up on their store
empty cedar
We'll just get it when we get it lol
pale gyro
Fake predictions on this. I say it releases it August. With no information about it.
timber spindle
^
loud quartz
At this point i believe the Clambernic will come out before this, probably with the same specs of the RG35XX Plus and H.
chilly thicket
hard to decide what's less likely to get good firmware between an h700 or a 3566 at this point
onyx tiger
I wonder if the clambernic will have quality issues
Miyoo has the gameboy style hardware down, I hope theirs releases first
night raven
All clamshells are vaporware, because we can't have nice things
chilly thicket
timber spindle
isnt this just the X18s
timber spindle
so...............^
chilly thicket
yeah, a non-vaporware clamshell
chilly thicket
that one is vaporware again
subtle mango
bish I got one right here
chilly thicket
yeah try to order another
subtle mango
that's not what the phrase means tho
dawn stream
who knows, maybe Nintendo are really releasing that rumored Clamshell Switch this year, and that would be the flip of the year.
subtle mango
what isn't rumored for Nintendo?
chilly thicket
who knows, maybe Nintendo are really releasing that rumored Clamshell Switch thi...
unless it gets jailbroken I'd rather have the x18s
proven jay
who knows, maybe Nintendo are really releasing that rumored Clamshell Switch thi...
Really?
worthy kettle
that sounds like trouble yo be had
jaunty storm
Also why would Nintendo put out a new switch model if the silicon design for the switch 2 has been done for years?
keen shard
Because they’re Nintendo? These are the people that made 3ds revisions into the switches life, and released the DS a few years after the GBA as it’s clear successor, lied about how it was a new third pillar for their business, then retired the GBA
worthy kettle
also their fans will eat it up no questions asked
dawn stream
They want games to be finished when the Switch 2 launches
There have been rumors of a switchs that's even smaller than a Lite https://www.sammobile.com/news/nintendo-switch-mini-micro-pocket-patents/
coral lichen
Pocketable switch with oled 720 p screen PLEASE!!
keen shard
also their fans will eat it up no questions asked
Where’s that meme of James Acastaer saying, “never have I been so offended by something I totally agree with!”
jaunty storm
I think Nintendo software sales is on the decline
modern delta
chilly thicket
I think Nintendo software sales is on the decline
sullen vine
They want games to be finished when the Switch 2 launches
Imagine the 'pocketable switch' is actually a clamshell with 3DS sliders.
dawn stream
I am imagining
vocal grove
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nintendo-reportedly-patented-a-dual-scr...
They always need some bs gimmick
Just give us a ds with nintendo switch specs
lavish widget
Reléase June confirm
vocal grove
Reléase June confirm
Source?
worthy kettle
solemn silo
proven jay
Price?
elfin patrol
Yeah June is confirmed. Still waiting on which year 
timber spindle
Yeah June is confirmed. Still waiting on which year <:thonkmatt:5942314929436753...
June 31st 2024
subtle mango
looks at calendar HOLD ON A MINUTE
raw sentinel
It was confirmed to be December. The year is still TBD
#1101304832276562012 message
subtle mango
I have a stronk feeling that they were over confident that they were gonna have it out before 2024
dawn stream
Another shelf device. 
idle flower
https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/2cUk62d7Jh
opaque breach
vocal grove
Finally some news🙏🏻🙏🏻
proven jay
Are two different devices lol
onyx minnow
Lol did Miyoo put that music on the vid? 😂
opaque breach
Lol did Miyoo put that music on the vid? 😂
Likely not, just the reuploader
twilit sun
im so conflicted
worn flax
Stars
chilly thicket
some guy on the other handheld discord is claiming this doesn't use a 3566 after all
claims the full specs leaked on QQ but refuses to share his source
worthy kettle
chilly thicket
https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-a...
this would be my guess as well, but the video shows the current miyoo OS running on it?
lofty cedar
If they have opted to stick with the same as the mm/mm+ it is probably sensible, a 3566 won't open up enough extra to give up Onion OS on their part
Of course the obvious question then becomes, why even both with having sticks on it
chilly thicket
it still appears to have two SD card slots but it could be a prototype shell
and dual sticks are for ports and ps1
dark oracle
I love onion as much as the next guy but selfishly I hope this doesn't stick with that miyoo mini chip. My biggest gripe with my MM is not having the performance headroom to really fast forward snes/ps1 rpgs
modern siren
https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/2cUk62d7Jh
what the fuck is this dpad
come on miyoo, you have an amazing dpad already, use it
lofty cedar
A clamshell needs to close, there's only so much recessing they can do to fit in dpad and buttons
dark oracle
the bilibili video title is " 翻米快来了？3566直接起飞！" which I can't translate but implies it still has the 3566 chip
rotund ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lofty cedar
That colour scheme looks a bit haphazard
proven jay
Is the Rice ready?
meager sky
That colour scheme looks a bit haphazard
Maybe just testing parts… hopefully
proven jay
Lol ahah
lofty cedar
You'd hope that was the case, that black would actually work well with the green for buttons, switches and dpad
twilit ledge
Oh god, I already feel cramps just from looking at those sticks
visual reef
I'm choosing to optimistically translate this as Let's go, 3566 coming soon!
late field
I'm calling cloners to clone it before miyoo release
lofty cedar
go for the twofer and predict what will be the r number of the clone
late field
p60 also has videos you know
subtle mango
Rip P60 you had so much potential
chilly thicket
I love onion as much as the next guy but selfishly I hope this doesn't stick wit...
I'm also hoping it's 3566 or so
for the same reason
plus ports
onionOS with portmaster 👀
like imagine playing stardew valley on this
pale gyro
that's what I like to see. but, this is miyoo so they like to post videos of handhelds that never make it to market