#Miyoo Flip

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empty sandal
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I don't want sticks 😭

dark oracle
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sticks vs no sticks in a clamshell handheld is the ultimate form vs function debate

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it was covered in one of the RH podcasts not too long ago lol

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as for me? I'm on team sticks. function over form baybee

chilly thicket
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I would play doom, stardew valley, etc on this, so I'm team sticks

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Plus mapping right stick to dpad to play SNES RPGs with one hand while eating with the other

empty sandal
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Holy crap. I really never put any thoughts into it tbh. 😆 what y'all said makes sense.

Both of you, @dark oracle and @chilly thicket make really good points.

Dammit y'all made me a stick boi 😆

dark oracle
night raven
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I'm definitely a function type of guy as well, the sticks don't get in the way at all and removing them doesn't change anything about the device other than removing options, it's fine to prefer the looks without the sticks but I find that to be really vain

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Realistically I'll buy whichever clamshell actually exists, both are vaporware right now

chilly thicket
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My biggest concern is the angle of the abxy on the anbernic looks like it’s gonna suck for any system but gba

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Picture how awkward holding Y and pressing B is gonna be on it

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Vs the 45 degree angle to do that on the miyoo

night raven
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I think that image is just a prototype, some dude threw it together in like 20 seconds on Photoshop

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I don't believe for a second it would come out like that

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But yeah I completely agree with you, the abxy buttons on the clambernic is a deal breaker

subtle mango
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I think Anbernic got enough backlash on that to double back on that potential

pale gyro
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Miyoo what is up.

dusty pecan
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don't hold your breath on the flip

pale gyro
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Never will. Just want to see if this or the anbernic comes out first.

tawdry sparrow
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neither will come out, dont need to worry about what would be the better.

naive valley
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😦 don’t tell me the truth. Lie to me

raw sentinel
rotund ember
twilit sun
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wew

subtle mango
rotund ember
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Yeah, I don‘t know what that is really worth at this point, but good for them, I guess

dusty pecan
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OK Im really confused with Miyoo at this point

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what is a deal with them? no manpower? no factory?

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the only thing they can produce, since PocketGo v1 is MM+

vivid crater
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Miyoo mini, they ran out of blackberry screens to use.

dusty pecan
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also cant they be a bit more outright?

  • yes, we have ran out of screens. we dont know if the production starts again, were looking for a different solutions (V4 screen hello)
  • yes, P60 is cancelled (they should tell this 1 year ago)
  • yes, we have (list some problems preventing flip/a30 from being released), we cant specify the release date at all
vivid crater
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These companies are generally not great with communication to be honest, not just Miyoo.

copper scaffold
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As someone mentioned once before, we are getting impatient over a device they haven’t even announced yet. It’s not really “delayed”

orchid grotto
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Ok for march but for 282?

sleek bridge
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yeah i don't think their message replies count for anything

vivid crater
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I think it's just time everybody accepts the facts. The V90 is the greatest 4:3 clamshell of all time, and can never be defeated. You buy it, you sell it, you assume something will beat it. But then nothing does and you just buy another one.

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4:3 clamshell power will forever be stuck at "a bit more than the datafrog".

dusty pecan
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not like there was any 4:3 clamshell other than v90

vivid crater
dusty pecan
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funkey s was 1:1, x18s, retroid flip were both 16:9 i think

dusty pecan
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SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY outrage

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I haven’t gotten a Miyoo yet but I’ve been eyeing them and now they might be launching one with a GBA SP-style design? I WANT IT guramad

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I DON’T CARE THAT THAT IS LIKELY THE WORST STICK PLACEMENT EVER, GIVE IT TO ME NOW

dark oracle
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well you're gonna be waiting until march now. at the very least

lilac coyote
tawdry sparrow
vivid crater
neon tiger
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Yea this one needs to be added to the collection

sullen vine
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Which one will get released first, Covid24 or Miyoo Mini Flip?

twilit sun
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which makes more money?

raw sentinel
night raven
radiant burrow
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Aren't going to see a flip 2...maybe ever lol

elfin patrol
raw sentinel
cloud crystal
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😭

fierce jacinth
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istg if it takes longer to come out imma cry

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its all i want

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a better version of the v90

pale gyro
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March, over 90 days away.

winged bear
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v90 or wait 90

pale gyro
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v90 is horrible btw

winged bear
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yeah i had every other console from that series, they sucked

tawdry obsidian
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The v90 was awful and I loved it

winged bear
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would have been acceptable without the annoying power off procedure

tawdry obsidian
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Really want this or the clambernic

winged bear
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i like the clambernic better but that one seems more vaporware atm

tawdry obsidian
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I'd call this more vapor since Miyoo is making it

dusty pecan
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v90 is a thing of a past

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with CPU that cant handle SNES and devices two tiers above it for the same cost, no reason to care about it

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which is saddening bc still no SP like device

elfin patrol
midnight rune
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Clamshells are what's going to make me break my promise to not buy any more handhelds.

raw sentinel
fierce jacinth
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Earlier than I expected

raw sentinel
vivid crater
vivid crater
vivid crater
raw sentinel
dusty pecan
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R35S/R36S was sometime ago for 37

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im not sure what this x6 thing is capable of, if its v90 tier, then it too bc its 25 usd

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on aliexpress i dont see any non-scammy offers below 37 usd

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on powkiddy website:

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no thanks

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even if this 30 bucks is not a hallucination, i would still prefer sth that doesnt require black magic rituals to run chrono trigger at full speed without gfx glitches or corrupted sound emulation, has a nes emulator that doesnt randomly enable ungodly frameskipping, has no screen tearing, and can run some 3d ps1 titles

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(btw, i dont even mention 🐸, that is cheating)

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p.s: anecdote != fact

inland brook
dusty pecan
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pfff nice render

chilly thicket
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excited to see the colour options

winged bear
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damn

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finally

quick bluff
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pls tell me this isn't real cause that miyoo logo on the top shell is HUGE

pale gyro
chilly thicket
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I assume that's a fan render

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the logo aligned that way will be upside down when you actually use it lol

inland brook
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Found it here ! This person seems to always have early infos about every handheld before all of us lmao

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chilly thicket
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If the dpad on this is as good as on the MM+ it should be a slam dunk

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More pocketable because clamshell and actually more comfortable by having the dpad and abxy further from the bottom lip of the device

quick bluff
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but the logo 😭

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gonna have to slap a sticker on that

inland brook
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Im surprised to say that but i really love the logo

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I don't like empty surfaces on handhelds lol

cyan magnet
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Whenever this finally comes out, it's going to live in the same pocket as my car keys.

sleek bridge
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wow that looks really nice

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so did the actual physical P60s that some people held in their hands

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they literally have to fully release a device to make it real at this point

dusty pecan
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or put up preorders

chilly thicket
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I don’t think they’ve ever really done preorders

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Just drop a few hundred units on aliexpress on launch day

dusty pecan
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idk, looking at that vertical mini (supposed to be out now) it doesnt look bright

lilac coyote
vale mantle
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Can anyone share the link to their real store on AliExpress? Lots of clones being sold

dusty pecan
dull vault
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Will this have day 1 custom firmware because of the RK3566 in it? Idk how that works becaise I've definitely seen devices where you can load up custom firmware day one, but I've also heard the rg arc probably won't be getting custom firmware and that uses the 3566

rotund ember
shut otter
# inland brook

it looks like they may be cloning the GBA SP dpad, so... maybe they're going with dome switches? (hopefully)

hollow reef
willow dust
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Do we know the size of the flip?
I wonder if it is smaller than miyoo mini when it is folded

rich plover
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if the devs get review units it might have day 1 tho

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if any of them like it enough to support it lol

vale mantle
chilly thicket
royal vapor
late jungle
vivid crater
dusty pecan
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k, with a coupon

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still there are taxes

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so for me it would still be 38-39 usd

vivid crater
dusty pecan
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poland

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i know the screen and dpad will be worse on that then on v90, but the rest should be better - fully playable snes and ps1, especially with cfw

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sadly, not clamshell

hazy heart
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I would totally buy one of these, clamshell is the ultimate form factor

unreal vine
dry light
# inland brook

why even bother with analogue sticks if that's where they have to put them 😩

dusty pecan
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I’m just interested in a decent 4:3 clamshell device 👀 the sticks existing at all is just a bonus

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If the Anbernic clamshell had a t618 and a metal frame, I’d be over the moon

vital badge
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Wish the original renders were correct

drowsy kindle
chilly thicket
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Indigo pls

quick bluff
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is this real cause i would buy it in a heartbeat 😭😭

jaunty storm
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I would like a kyogre on a blue shell personally

drowsy kindle
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It's from that miyoo twitter account

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They also said there is a miyoo mini drop tonight

worthy kettle
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i wouldn't mind the black one either

chilly thicket
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I’m happy with a US snes (two tone buttons, not skittles), the miyoo “grey” that’s more of a nicotine stained beige with the black and purple buttons, or gba indigo

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I don’t want something super plain like black or white but I don’t want something as flashy as a transparent shell with skittles buttons

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The in between is chefskiss

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An NES or OG famicom inspired colourway would also get me hard

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Actually I just realized the black one has the green accents not skittles buttons

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I like

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Probably would still pick the MM grey over it though

idle flower
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Don't see any pinned messages, is there a confirmed chip for this yet?

radiant burrow
idle flower
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Ah okay nothing confirmed then. 3566 would be interesting...

flat ginkgo
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Bold move releasing a Fakichu model.

chilly thicket
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They said they may not do that one due to copyright

raw sentinel
idle flower
marsh kindle
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Not a fan of that logo on there

dark oracle
idle flower
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Ho boy I might finally purchase my first device since 2022

dark oracle
hardy creek
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Finally a solid upgrade to the v90!

worthy kettle
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let's hope it comes to fruition

vital badge
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That is bold

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Hope it goes ok for them

hollow reef
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Black looks good with the green accents.

eager bane
worthy kettle
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i wish we had an official posting to go off of

sacred wren
dusty pecan
onyx shoal
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Does this have any confirmed dimensions?

worthy kettle
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i don't think we have any official confirmation yet. only supposed leaks and messages from support iirc

dark oracle
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you can approximate the size of the device yourself by comparing the sizes of the ports

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I believe RetroBreeze did just that. the posts about his mockup are pinned

chilly thicket
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Yeah it is basically exactly the same size as a gba SP and/or powkiddy v90

sacred wren
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But with a 4:3 screen, right?

chilly thicket
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Yeah

dull vault
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We were so close to perfection

haughty dune
chilly thicket
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The shell is v90 sized but with much smaller bezels

ripe nacelle
ripe nacelle
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Dang it

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No more stars

sullen vine
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*SP form factor

covert frigate
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This having 3566 is appealing to me as it's almost likely someone will come up with a EmulationStation OS for this.

elfin patrol
onyx minnow
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So Horizontal is march now?!

chilly thicket
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Maybe they realized nobody asked for the horizontal

drowsy kindle
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Or they want to beat anbernic to the punch

onyx minnow
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If it was going to release in March, i dont see how it is suddenly ready, i wouldn’t expect it to release in Dec. But happy to be proven wrong

proven adder
sleek bridge
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horizontal was weird anyways

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like it'd be fine to have i guess

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but that's about the most excitement i saw mustered for it

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most people who wanted something small had way more of a use case for the mini

eager bane
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the fact that all these handhelds keep going for GB style'd devices rather than gba sp is crazy to me

onyx minnow
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To be honest, the horizontal looks a bit naff, not a fan of designs i have seen. Rather have flip over that. Maybe the horizontal will go the way of the p60 😅

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They do need to release the patient colorway though. That would be amazing 😂

vivid crater
onyx minnow
idle flower
twilit sun
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Seems a no brainer to postpone another horizontal for the comparatively unsaturated clamshell design.

pale gyro
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still not out?

idle flower
dusty pecan
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Man I wish companies used the 3ds analog stick for devices like this.

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If the limitation is up to games that do not require R3/L3 then something flatter makes more sense.

pale gyro
chilly thicket
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They’re great hotkeys too

pale gyro
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Ape Escape!

dusty pecan
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I don't remember the PS1 having a button press on the thumbsticks.

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Oh well its been too long since I've held a PS1 controller with analogs.

radiant burrow
sleek bridge
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i think most people were pleasantly surprised

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like it's obviously gonna have deficiencies versus a stick, but they got incredibly close

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and the benefits to portability are great

worthy kettle
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wish we had anything official to go off of, at this rate i might get a rpi in an advance sp shell

chilly thicket
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most racing games used L3 and R3 to like honk the horn or look behind you lol

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I forgot that a bunch of PS1 racers used analogue stick for acceleration and braking since they only had digital shoulder buttons

dusty pecan
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No I get the point of the stick being used.

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But the button press on the stick I don't remember it being used heavily.

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I can't even remember if the sticks had a button at that time.

chilly thicket
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they did

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used to crawl in ape escape, used for shooting in tomb raider 3, used in racing games to look backwards or honk horn, etc

dusty pecan
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Yeah I mostly played FFVIII and IX during that time period.

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I wonder how deep they're going to make the flips analog sticks they lookin kinda tall.

hollow escarp
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i hope the hinge isnt as bad as it looks

raw sentinel
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Anbernic just dropped a new video for a new device no one asked for and here we are drooling over design mock ups with no price tag….

empty cedar
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Down horrendous dawg

raw sentinel
near hollow
covert frigate
radiant burrow
idle flower
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So i have been showing my gaming friend these retro devices since 2021, and every time he said he is not interested, or its cool to use for a few days but he cant see himself using it over his phone which is always on his person.

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I just showed him the Miyoo Flip and it's the first time he's said holy shit, i want that, link??

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I FINALLY GOT HIM

proven adder
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shame it won’t be released until next year 😂

idle flower
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I mean next year is like 12 days away haha!

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I read they aimed for march but now are prioritising flip over the horizontal device, so could be late jan? Early feb?

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I'd want a metal version and I'd be so happy

potent ivy
subtle mango
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probably will be dropped for another project that also won't released

chilly thicket
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New miyoo mini maximum, 8” 4:3 screen vertical with s8g2

subtle mango
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project canned after three fully working prototypes

sleek bridge
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next miyoo will ship with a short so that it destroys the entire device when you power it on

empty cedar
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Next miyoo is just a pipe bomb

subtle mango
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the Galaxy Note 8

nova plume
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Another day, another time I come here to check if this is official yet 😦

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Just release this miyoo

pale gyro
cyan magnet
idle flower
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Basically a Galaxy Fold right? 7.8" 4:3 2K OLED

chilly thicket
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Lmao true

last orchid
onyx minnow
last orchid
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Holy 💩 now it is tempting 😄

onyx minnow
last orchid
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Nice. I only don't like the PSP1000 screen, it doesn't really have a nice picture..

sleek bridge
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no bluetooth is a bit of a shame

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just having a small earbud and this tiny device would be a great combo

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wired should always be there, but the smaller the device, the less i want to add wires to the equation

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it's strange though- i want the next retroid flip to be bigger after playing PS2 games on it, but i also look at the miyoo flip and wish it could run PS2

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i guess it's because of how my GBA SP and PS2 nostalgia line up

chilly thicket
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What makes you think this won’t have Bluetooth?

haughty dune
sleek bridge
digital bison
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Instant pick up

tacit steppe
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Too good to be true

dusty pecan
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Yo I might 3d print that’s rn

night raven
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Missed opportunity to make the sticks red, matching the cheek blush

tacit steppe
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It isn't just me!

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This thing seems to be appearing on people's feeds

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The rumor is too good to be true

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Please add clicky buttons like on the GBA SP 😭

modern siren
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If they can have some colors from the gba sp

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I'm buyin

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Cause so far, not a fan of these colors

tacit steppe
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I would get the Pikachu

radiant burrow
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I'm all over that black/green

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Almost match my plus

tacit steppe
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W

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Love the skin

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Pretty buttons

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Actually gonna need a skin for my black variant

radiant burrow
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If only I'd applied the screen protector better. Trying to not let it bug me. Haha. Applied same one to both my kids devices. No bubbles.

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But I love that they are matte and cover the whole screen. Stock ones I can't deal with

copper scaffold
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I applied one perfectly to the RGB30 I sold. Took two attempts at the one I kept and I’ve still got a tiny hair under it

radiant burrow
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Hate tiny hairs 🤣😡

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Guess I should have done it in the bathroom.

radiant burrow
# tacit steppe W

Bought a dyed red one from a gentleman here. On its way. Have transparent black button full set coming to put in that one. 🤘🏻

tacit steppe
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Oh sweet

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The buttons are nice on the transparent black

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I'm just not too much of a fan of transparent colors. Not that I dislike them, I just prefer regular colors

radiant burrow
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I flip flop on my preferred shell. I think I just sometimes get bored of solid shells and switch it up for a device. I want to own every miyoo mini plus though. Not sure why I feel the need. I just love them. 😅

onyx tiger
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Miyoo flip is just the perfect version of this handheld

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Can’t wait for the release

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Gotta say sliders wouldn’t be so bad either

chilly thicket
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If this gets onion ported to the 3566 I’ll be in heaven

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Especially if that means onion getting portmaster and/or onion on the RGB30 too

tacit steppe
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If there is a Miyoo Flip. There will be Onion assured

rotund ember
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Not until devs actually say so

tacit steppe
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The Devs devote themselves to bringing compatibility to Miyoo though

rotund ember
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But yeah, if Onion actually comes to this, I might consider buying a second RK3566 device

rotund ember
tacit steppe
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It's actually one of those things they constantly are willing to update

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And if there is a Flip. Onion for it would be in its alpha stages and make its up way up

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The Devs are looking forward to releasing more updates as well

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They even have their own website now

copper scaffold
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Supporting a different chipset is a whole different game than updating Onion to support the minor variations in the v1-4 OG Mini and the Plus though

tacit steppe
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It may take time but will happen

rose pendant
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That’s a weird phrase to use. And also seems presumptuous.

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But I get your point.

tacit steppe
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I'm not wording it right but it seems like Onion OS is gonna carry forth with supporting Miyoo consoles

rose pendant
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It would definitely be awesome. But they all do this in their spare time, so it’s never guaranteed.

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First step is the Miyoo Flip actually getting released 🤣

tacit steppe
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It isn't presumptuous either. I'm not assuming but from what I noticed the OS is probably only gonna be exclusive to Miyoo consoles

tacit steppe
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I'm gonna get 2 at the same time lmao

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Those leaks have been circling around feeds of various people, including YouTubers

rose pendant
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You wouldn’t be the only one. Especially with how Miyoo likes to release stock in batches.

tacit steppe
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I normally ignore such kind of content

rose pendant
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Yeah, the horizontal Miyoo P60 leaks circulated for a while too before it was revealed it was basically scrapped.

tacit steppe
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Maybe scrapped for the better cause

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I really think Miyoo should stick to DMG smaller form factors

rose pendant
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Hopefully that was the intention.

tacit steppe
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Including flip form factors

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Vertical flip handhelds

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And now these rumors and leaks are lurking

rose pendant
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I’m personally not a fan of verticals. So a horizontal version of the MM+ would be cool for me. But a Flip is even better because it handles better than DMG style vertical.

tacit steppe
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They're having me curious cause it looks amazing

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It's not easy to hate on a GBA SP form factor

rose pendant
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Just hope they release good colourways.

tacit steppe
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That's technically your perfect console. You don't even need a carrying case

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Fits perfectly in the pocket

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You don't have to worry about screen damage or button mashing (inside pockets)

rose pendant
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Agreed 100%.

tacit steppe
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I got really frustrated once when this one kid ran into me and hit my left pocket which had my Miyoo in it

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In fact, he did it another time. It was frustrating cause I take care of my handhelds and treat them as my own

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Thankfully, no screen damages

chilly thicket
# copper scaffold Supporting a different chipset is a whole different game than updating Onion to ...

Onion technically is a front end that runs on top of the device firmware so it’s impossible to know how much work it will be without knowing whether the stock firmware will also be able to support onion running on top of it (and how much tinkering it would take to make that happen) or if the onion devs would want to do that (rather than fork a different Linux build to be the framework they run their front end stuff on top of)

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MinUI is the same, which is why when you use it on an RGB30 you technically install an extremely cut down version of jelos on card one to then run the minUI front end on via card two

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So onion may want to go that route - put a minimalist firmware in sd 1 so that your onion card in sd 2 can be portable (so you can share the same card with a miyoo mini)

copper scaffold
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Or (the point I was trying to make) they may decide it’s all too much work and not support the Flip if it’s a different chipset. It’s a different level of unknown right now than the variations they’ve supported so far.

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We just should be more conservative than saying “it may take time but it will happen” and using the words “devoted to serving” when we’re talking about other people’s free time.

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I’d love Onion on this thing, it’s absolutely the strength of the MM line for me. But I won’t assume until the actual devs say anything

idle flower
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Interesting

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I assumed if its an rk3566, it'll likely get the cfws that are available for devices with that chip set

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I also assumed I'd just be able to take out the sd cards from my 353 and throw it in there

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If this device ever comes to fruition, that is

lavish widget
lavish widget
idle flower
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We won't know until the device and specs are confirmed, I think it depends on the ram? I'm not sure

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353V is dual boot but 353VS is not, same chip but different ram, which is why I assume it depends on ram, but idk

sullen vine
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Is this something that Onion OS can do?

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chilly thicket
chilly thicket
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so you'd need an ES based firmware like batocera, arkos, jelos, etc

sullen vine
chilly thicket
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the anbernic one is a ???

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since it's probably the same h700 as the 35xx+

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while the miyoo is 3566

idle flower
sullen vine
idle flower
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I think people are too attached to onion on Miyoo. If it's a 3566, just use what already exists and has been getting polished for so long

idle flower
chilly thicket
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I dunno, I want a quick boot and load type firmware on anything that's a pocket device

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so minUI, arkOS, or onion

idle flower
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So ArkOS likely then, for this, with that chip

chilly thicket
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I don't want to wait for ES to boot then navigate ES if I'm just playing the same game in 5-10 minute intervals

idle flower
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I recommend arkos over jelos these days

chilly thicket
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I prefer jelos on my larger/more powerful devices that use standalone emulators

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but for an every day pocket handheld arkOS quick mode is life

idle flower
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Same but too buggy these days

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I think I need to switch over my 353M to arkos and try out quick mode

digital bison
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Common Miyoo show us the flip officially!

rotund ember
idle flower
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Ah amberelec, still my choice of cfw on my 351MP

onyx tiger
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amebrelec was a great experience for my 351m

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however nothing will top the easy of use of onion os. Really feels like a firmware made for on the go handhelds

idle flower
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Yeah but ES based cfw are pretty

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We should hope the device is real before cfw talk haha

subtle mango
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just keep dreaming

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it may be all we get

brazen parcel
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351 is the OGAmbernic?

earnest gull
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it's the first one that really caught on, but other devices preceded it, like the 280 and 350

rotund ember
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Yeah, Anbernic sure has been making device before 351. There's also RG300 and Revo devices (hardware GBA clones)

modern siren
#

Anbernic was Revo?

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Damn, that's cool, I remember the whole K101 pro era

rotund ember
#

Well, at least Max Zhou (Anbernic's CTO) seems to have been involved with Revo

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If you look at his Baidu posts, he used to write a lot about K101 and the cancelled hardware DS clone

sour mango
#

Interesting

dusty pecan
#

but before that, RG300, RS-97 (yes), RS-90 (also yes), Revos

#

I wonder if there is nay connection between Anbernic and Subor/Coolbaby

rotund ember
#

Would be funny if it was Souljaboy that made Anbernic turn their attention to Western resellers

#

Almost exactly 5 years ago

dusty pecan
#

ah soulja boi flooding US with chinese ewaste.... fun times

vivid crater
#

Shipping with roms.

I mean, I know rappers like to boast about breaking the law. But that's a fairly unusual way for a rapper to break the law.

rotund ember
#

I think he got a cease letter from our Mario overlords eventually

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So the entire thing was not too smart

vivid crater
teal marten
dark oracle
#

this is a clamshell device after all so I don't know if there would even be a solid enough cover that also wont stop the device from closing properly

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you could also physically remove the sticks. if the sticks here are like those in most other retro handhelds, they should have ribbon cable connections

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or better yet, accept that you're not the target audience and buy the anbernic flip lol

radiant burrow
idle flower
#

I'm kinda glad there's one of each to give people the option, but this still hasn't been confined yet has it?

near comet
#

so a gameboy advance sp form factor? I dig it

modern siren
empty cedar
#

That horizontal's never happening huh lol

idle flower
wide trellis
#

There will be an anbernic flip with no analogs??

modern siren
wide trellis
raw sentinel
radiant burrow
raw sentinel
radiant burrow
raw sentinel
#

Oh I was talking about the Horizontal with @empty cedar

empty cedar
#

I'm hype about the clambernic but with the 35xxh dropping its even further in limbo

radiant burrow
radiant burrow
raw sentinel
#

Yeah I’m surprised they did NOT already drop a video for the Clambernic

#

LOL

empty cedar
#

Literally all it has to be is a 35xx (no plus) in a clamshell and I'm sold

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Because I don't like these sticks on the miyoo flip they just look uncomfortable

dawn bone
#

It might end up being my first ambernic device if that happens, but I’ll probably still buy a miyoo flip

#

All depends on cfw though so who knows

night raven
#

Onion OS beats all

empty cedar
#

You would think with how vital good cfw is to a device's sales these companies would tighten up their stock OS game but oh well

#

Community efforts deciding the life of these handhelds is wild when you think about it

night raven
#

They are in the business of easy and quick money churning out new hardware, software development is neither easy nor quick

empty cedar
#

Get a quick buck from the people that don't know better and maybe make some more money if it gets good cfw lol

dusty pecan
#

to make a good cfw, some must have the source code. normal (or half-normal) companies share the src code. with anbernic case, this doesnt happen ||unless you are black seraph||

radiant burrow
#

doesn't happen with retroid either

pale gyro
#

Retoid shares after a while.

radiant burrow
#

What exactly is awhile? lol I know turtle did some stuff with the 2. Never really heard after that. I know he did lineage for the 3 as I put it on mine but there were issues because he didn't have source. Either way they don't need cfw as badly as other companies do. I just like options.

modern siren
#

retroid is different because they actually have a good build ootb

radiant burrow
#

Agreed. I just wish they'd share so we could have custom options. Some people may never use it. Some people would.

#

Anbernic losing community support will really hamper their ability to move units, as they don't give 2 shits to actually deliver a good os lol

modern siren
radiant burrow
#

If I loved garlic I'd be all over the rg35xxh but onion just feels so much better.

elfin patrol
#

We've never seen a polished version of Garlic like Onion but Onion has been in development for much longer and has multiple devs

#

But I agree, I never enjoyed Garlic

radiant burrow
#

When I used a 35xx I spent more time trying to find an option I enjoyed than I spent playing. Gave them all away haha. With MM+ I'm happy with onion and so spend more time playing

#

But yeah. Garlic isn't as mature and that makes a difference

jaunty storm
#

Is this out yet?

chilly thicket
#

It was a limited run, you missed it

twilit sun
jaunty storm
#

Well maybe next year

haughty dagger
#

I love my og 35xx. Garlic is great on it. Yes it's not as good as Onion in some areas . The better ergonomics of the 35xx make me choose it over my Miyoo most of the time.

idle flower
#

I love the 'maybe next year "comments like it isn't Dec 30 😂

final oar
#

Next year is always next year no matter the date

radiant burrow
idle flower
#

I'm hoping the Miyoo flip only gets arkos / jelos and nothing else, so I can sit back and watch people erupt over the lack of onion os on a 3566 device 😈😈😈

haughty dagger
radiant burrow
#

It'll get better. Black seraph is a wizard.

radiant burrow
idle flower
radiant burrow
heady relic
idle flower
radiant burrow
dark oracle
#

I'm still excited for this device but I advise everyone prepare for the very real possibility onion os isn't coming to this device lol. I don't recall the onion devs commenting on this let alone promising anything

#

ark os is kinda nice actually. I can see myself settling with that

scarlet hazel
#

I am even prepared for the possibility that they unfortunately cancel the device altogether. Hopefully it won't happen, but oh well, Do we have an approximate possible launch window, or is it still in limbo?

dark oracle
#

the latest launch window is gonna be based on the launch window for the horizontal device. it's now expected to release earlier than that

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#1101304832276562012 message

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so March or earlier is all we have to go off of right now

idle flower
chilly thicket
#

ArkOS would probably be my preferred firmware on this

#

Quick mode for RA and portmaster

minor burrow
heady relic
#

Gaming lol

#

We tweak, we tweak amd we tweak

#

Then the next device is released

digital field
hazy heart
#

These designs look great

#

The twin sticks, are we expecting higher level performance from this where you would need those sticks?

chilly thicket
#

3566 so it’ll play quite a few ports, fair bit of n64/DC/psp

idle flower
#

If it gets dual boot, perhaps there's a chance Gamma os will appear too

chilly thicket
#

I doubt this would get the touch screen/emmc/extra ram you would want/need for android

dusty pecan
#

imho and experience with the RP2+, Android games and PC streaming aren't awesome on a 3.5" 640x480 display. Minecraft was alright though, didn't feel like a compromised experience.

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The sticks in this form factor are not going to be comfortable for extended game play sessions, but they would probably be fine for short session retro games.

#

personally I would rather not have sticks, because I never play any sticks games on the "pocketable form factor" devices that I own. Sticks just get in the way on horizontals and look truly fugtasitically ugly on verticals. imho of course 🙂

chilly thicket
#

Doom!

ripe nacelle
idle flower
idle flower
night raven
#

Flip 2 is going to beat this to market and make me not care about it

#

They really are taking their sweet ass time

idle flower
#

Don't think that'll matter an awful lot. Retroid will be an android device with a 16:9 display. People want a good smaller flipping device with 4:3 display and ideally linux i assume

#

They can take another 6 months and I bet everyone will still buy it, and they know this.

scarlet hazel
#

However, I wonder if the Clambernic would cut their market share if they release first

idle flower
#

Now that is more likely to happen, and all of the people who really dont want thumb sticks will wait for anbernics anyway

modest wedge
#

I hope they are sliders instead of sticks.

twilit sun
#

Maybe making it rugged would set them apart. Makes sense for a portable imo

ripe nacelle
#

That's fine though because I'll probably just swap em' out for some hall sensing sticks.

#

Although I'm not sure if they make them in white

modern siren
#

just slap some white ksilver sticks

radiant burrow
#

if they'd use the retroid flip sliders I'd get it

chilly thicket
#

I would like to see those sliders on a non clamshell tbh

dawn bone
#

Was the flip the first device with those sliders? Idk of anything that used hall sliders with clickable l3/r3

radiant burrow
#

It's the only device with hall sliders and l3/r3

chilly thicket
#

I have no idea where that part came from

#

But I’d love to see it on a vertical as a way to add analogs to a vertical without it being awful

radiant burrow
#

it came out of nowhere. who know's if we'll see it again, but I wish we would for pocketability purposes

chilly thicket
#

(RP1S wen)

radiant burrow
#

I liked them, but I liked the sliders on the 3ds too

#

If the miyoo flip used them that wouldn't bother the people that don't want sliders as they would be out of the way

chilly thicket
#

The miyoo flip STICKS won’t be in the way

radiant burrow
#

Speaking for myself here, obviously, otherwise I'll probably get the anbernic

chilly thicket
#

They’re fully recessed

radiant burrow
#

I don't like em

#

sliders would be perfect

chilly thicket
#

It’s fine to dislike them as a purely aesthetic preference but I promise you they will not get in the way

#

I have never had a fully recessed analog actually get hit accidentally - I do still find they make the device slightly less comfortable to pocket but the clamshell alleviates that concern here

radiant burrow
#

depends on how you hold it I guess. I know I would hit them with how I hold devices

#

holding a gba sp right this second, id definitely hit them

#

Imagine both thumbs. Not sure how others hold it. Lol

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Just found this in a drawer a week ago. Don't even have a charger. 😅

chilly thicket
#

The sticks are fully recessed so unless the underside of your knuckle is pressed against the upper shell I don’t think it would move the stick

#

But also the SP does that weird not 45 degree angle for A+B that forces your thumb more vertical than it would be on this that has the standard diamond

radiant burrow
#

My knuckle does rest on that area under the buttons exactly where you see it. Same with dpad. But I guess for some it woulnd't be an issue. To each their own. That's why we will, hopefully, have 2 different devices by different companies. Believe me when I tell you I'm a miyoo fanboy and would rather have a miyoo than an anbernic. 🙂

unreal vine
arctic surge
#

Happy New Year folks. Any new info on this or the clambernic in terms of test devices in the wild or any other tidbits?

idle flower
#

Nope

ripe nacelle
#

If this launches with an H700 its an instant buy

radiant burrow
#

For people that want a clamshell it's an instant buy even if the hardware is the same, probably for miyoo fans as well

unreal vine
#

If it plays up to PSX either for miyoo or Anbernic I'm onboard 💯 percent.

#

Don't need another handheld. Don't care. Clamshells are awesome and the most portable.

ripe nacelle
#

Amen

radiant burrow
pale gyro
#

Wasn't this going to launch on the 1st or was that a different handheld?

radiant burrow
#

I think this was going to launch like 100 times...and still might...in 2025

tawdry obsidian
pale gyro
#

What is the E6?

tawdry obsidian
#

Some weird console that started pre-orders a bit ago, then cancelled them

#

#1168386197605855313

pale gyro
#

Oh the wish steam deck lol

covert frigate
dusty pecan
#

I would go for a 3:2 screen ratio if it were an option. GBA has such a great catalog of games.

chilly thicket
#

Gba is one system I don’t love any of my current handhelds for

unreal vine
dusty pecan
#

With a 3.5 inch 4:3 display you get almost 3.4 inches of 3:2 content, which is a lot bigger than the 2.9 inch display on an actual gba

chilly thicket
#

Yeah, I’m fine with a 3.5” 4:3 size wise but 640x480 is a mediocre res for it

#

I would actually love a stickless 3” 720x480 pocket horizontal

unreal vine
#

That's probably the biggest appeal of the Analogue Pocket for me

#

the sexy screen

#

don't care that you can play your carts on them

dusty pecan
#

GBA is giant and nice looking on my X55's 5.5" 720p screen. Doesn't fit in my pocket though.

chilly thicket
#

Honestly at this point I’d take a 3.5” 480x320 like the 351p as long as it was a modern handheld with a good looking screen and good firmware

empty cedar
chilly thicket
#

I’m fine with buying a handheld that is only for GBA as long as it’s good at it, affordable, and pocketable

winged bear
dusty pecan
#

A slightly wider GBA SP chassis could house a 4" 3:2 screen at 3.3" wide. For a pocketable GBA device that would be my ideal, but any screen around 3.5" would be fine.

winged bear
#

i really like the idea of a big sp

#

maybe rgb30 screen even

dusty pecan
#

GBA is Approximately 8.4 × 8.2 × 2.44 cm (3.3 × 3.23 × 0.96 inches) (wikipedia) so there is room even in the original size to get more screen realestate with the tiny bezels like on the other Miyoos

#

That said, I am unwilling to pay Analogue Pocket prices for it, so... take what i can get lol

unreal vine
dusty pecan
pale gyro
#

there is always this

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unreal vine
dark oracle
#

yeah it's called the slate

#

I can at least kinda understand that

tawdry obsidian
#

Better ergonomics probably

pale gyro
#

Its from The Retro Future when he made good content.

unreal vine
pale gyro
#

Hands too big try this

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Want some thing higher up

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dusty pecan
#

whoah that unfished solid brass one looks crazy. Not my style, but imagine pulling that out on the bus

empty cedar
#

Speaking of SPs how do y'all feel about the v90? Figured it's cheap enough to be a "sure why not" purchase

pale gyro
#

Need a extra screen why not

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empty cedar
#

Oh nah not the SPDS

pale gyro
#

None of these server a purpose. But they are fun

dusty pecan
empty cedar
#

Is the q90 the tiny game gear or something else

modern siren
#

yeah

#

wait no

empty cedar
#

Oh that

modern siren
#

I was thinking of the Q36, my bad

#

this thing dogekek

empty cedar
#

That one lol

#

Honestly if they make that 1:1 vertical and it's cheaper/easier to get than the Pocket that's gonna print money

chilly thicket
#

I like my q36 for what it is lol

winged bear
#

i had a q20 and i couldn't even give it away to a friend for free

modern siren
#

it can't not be cheaper than the pocket

chilly thicket
#

I went with the yellow too

empty cedar
#

I love my rg nano so tbh that in a horizontal? I'm game

dusty pecan
#

I got the clear one, as I was even less of a fan of teal. I really wish I had gotten a yellow V90 instead

modern siren
#

pocket is 219 USD (not special edition) with ~40$ shipping, a 1:1 vertical would prob be like 70$ or so dogekek

#

not to mention, the chinese handheld would actually be in stock

empty cedar
#

Yeah I'd be sold

brazen parcel
empty cedar
#

It just kills me that Analogue looked at the Pocket's availability issues and went "Y'know what the consumers need right now? Limited edition colors."

modern siren
dusty pecan
#

the AP colors are even kind of boring, with the buttons being the same as the chassis. What's wrong with a little whimsy? If Miyoo released the wacky pastel colorway in that one render, I would get it just so it makes me smile when I see it.

modern siren
#

iirc that was just a render to show the different parts

#

would be odd to make it an actual color

#

just give me a pure white model dogekek

#

like that R33s thing

dusty pecan
#

pull out my pink and teal (bleh tbh) game machine in public and embarrass my teenage kids .... "Daaaaaad.... Jeez!"

unreal vine
night raven
empty cedar
#

Masters of their craft

dusty pecan
dusty pecan
dawn bone
#

One day

#

Theoretically

#

Possibly

#

Maybe

dusty pecan
#

When you wish upon a star

dusty pecan
#

I should really help everyone out by ordering a MM+, because day that ships will be day they launch the MM Flip (Murphy's Law)

empty cedar
#

Sounds like my luck fr

ripe nacelle
chilly thicket
subtle mango
#

that can be said about all the companies

empty cedar
#

Anbernic pulling a Nintendo never marking anything down

versed shard
hollow reef
# ripe nacelle The 351p is amazing for gba

Agreed. It's a shame that Anbernic is delusional and charging so much for them when they are over 2 years old and themselves are offering more capable and less expensive options.

empty cedar
#

it's sale or secondhand if you want it cheaper

#

tragic

dusty pecan
#

H700 is like ATM7039 or SSD202D - completely closed src, developer unfriendly

dusty pecan
#

Still not a good price considering its specs vs similarly priced devices (their own RG ARC is $2 cheaper), but it's a lot cheaper than before.

pulsar reef
twilit ledge
#

Thats a powkiddy v90

pulsar reef
#

But what miyoo has to do with it?

tawdry obsidian
#

The CFW for the v90 is called Miyoo, not 100% sure why

dusty pecan
pulsar reef
#

Mmm I see

#

Thanks guys!

tacit steppe
#

People are talking about these rumors on Facebook

#

The GBA SP form factor

#

With the sticks

#

I think it might be a leak

last orchid
#

It's a leak for like a half of year or so... The thing is nobody believes it until we have it in our hands, and put it on the shelf next to our P60!

dusty pecan
#

the flip form factor is the most durable, with the exception of hinge issues (looking at you DS Lite), but the GBA SP also has a certain visual appeal to it too.

#

GBA SP combined with OnionOS and a 3.5" screen chefskiss

tacit steppe
tacit steppe
last orchid
# tacit steppe Yeah but many people are still talking

of course, because everybody wants it. |t took over a year (maybe longer), before there was an official statment that P60 is cancelled, and ppl stopped to talk... But considering there are rumours about clambernic too, I truly believe we will see at least one SP-like this year...

#

And I don't mean new V90 color 😄

onyx tiger
#

Please no more V90s

teal marten
#

There's at least a couple p60s out there...

heady relic
#

Lies

wintry lake
#

It's truly a shame we don't get the conventional miyoo mini dpad on the flip

#

Potentially Onion-os, that dpad and clamshell would've been so good

flat oriole
#

meh, sticks

shut otter
#

I messaged miyoo on aliexpress and it looks like the flip isn’t dead yet 🥳

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dawn bone
#

I just wonder when this’ll be released

#

They haven’t said anything specific other than they’re working on it, right? Or did they say like early 2024 is their goal

shut otter
pale gyro
#

I would guess late February after CNY. At lease that is my hope

lime pollen
#

How can we show support for this? I would love a flip version of my mini plus running onion!

last orchid
#

It certainly looks like they are developing handhelds just for fun, as they don't release them afterwards. Like I get it, P60, probably did't have enough chips or screens, but you would guess they learn from that.. Yet A30 nowhere, Flip nowhere, P60 neverwhere...

dusty pecan
#

they are going to become even more of a joke then gkd/anbernic

#

or powkiddy

#

rumours about A30 go around since a year and a half

night raven
#

Yeah I've moved this device into vaporware in my mind, this company has only really released one device with a minor revision, there's no guarantee it'll ever happen

chilly thicket
rotund ember
#

Also the Bittboy

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#

I see some people also reference PocketGo S30 as Miyoo, but I think that’s just because the first two PocketGos were sold as Miyoo in China (no idea who actually makes those)

#

Come to think of it, the “cancelled” A30 is kinda similar to the original PocketGo

#

Like, same faux speaker grill, same shoulder buttons and start/select

#

Kinda like RG503 shares a lot of DNA with the ancient PAP-3

pale gyro
last orchid
pale gyro
#

I am fine with nothing.

languid sundial
chilly thicket
#

The a30 hasn’t been officially cancelled yet just deprioritized compared to the flip

radiant burrow
flat ginkgo
#

Where's the new Gizmondo?

dusty pecan
solemn silo
#

I through it was rumored for march?

rose pendant
#

With Miyoo, I’ve learned to not fully trust their timelines.

covert frigate
#

If this is real I wonder if a Emulation Station fork will get sorted such as TheRA, Ark OS, Jel OS etc. as the chipset is common

visual reef
#

The ArkOS dev loves pocketable devices, so this seems like it would be up their alley.

twilit ledge
#

But that would require them to release the flip, gl with that :p

subtle mango
#

remember, this might end up in Miyoos office trash

dusty pecan
#

at this point i would only get hyped for this if I see RGC is having it in is hands

near hollow
#

fun fact of the day: Miyoo Mini Flip are still a rumor...

unreal vine
#

That's not fun

potent ivy
coarse gull
#

Well, 2023 was the year of verticals. Hope 2024 will be the year of clamshells.

ocean sage
#

"year of clamshells" starting to sound like "year of linux desktop"

sleek bridge
#

here's to another year of luigi

twilit sun
#

If so, who will get the pearl vs the patrick award. The best and worst of the clamshells lol

warm basin
radiant burrow
warm basin
scarlet hazel
#

It was rumored for March, and noooow

#

In February they'll say it's expected in May, I'm telling you =))

covert frigate
#

Trying to stay positive at least they are saying it's still coming

rotund ember
#

They just delay the release by a day whenever someone posts a WEN gif or a P60 joke.

Nobody knows how that system works, so there's no way to turn it off

worthy kettle
#

i'll get hyped when there's an official announcement

#

and good reviews that follow

dusty pecan
#

Just say the truth, no factory wants to manufacture that

#

At least before 2025

scarlet hazel
#

What do you mean before 2025?

#

I honestly think they're just using the carrot on a stick, and we go on and on. Don't know if we'll get the Flip this year, if at all, unfortunately. Kinda prefer the Anbernic way of coming up with new stuff like "Hey, this is what we're selling now, to be released next week"

#

I still think Powkiddy should improve on the V90 design and just make a new clamshell, but part of me thinks the V90 is just a bought handheld with a logo on it, and not necessarily a Powkiddy design. Whomever built the V90, they should make the V90 3.5 or maybe V90 4.0 😂

covert frigate
#

All I want is a V90 that's a more powerful with emulation station front end

vivid crater
#

With the new beta 2.0 firmware, Yoshi's island is running at 45 - 50 fps on the V90 now. Maybe they can improve that when the 2.0 firmware gets to it's official release version of 2.0

So it may get to be the clamshell to cover 2D systems after all, just through force of will by the community 😄

pale gyro
# scarlet hazel

This is basically how the P60 went also. I don't believe any Miyoo product is real until I have it in my hands.

scarlet hazel
#

Inb4 "The Flip is canceled for the Miyoo Swivel"

subtle brook
#

Man this thing refuses to exist.

#

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was supposed to be the next device after the OG MM.

scarlet hazel
#

Isn't that the P60 or whatever? Is the Flip that old?

rotund ember
#

Nah, I think the Flip was first spotted last spring

#

Technically it was just a patent drawing, and we've been obsessing about it for months

#

People have been freaking 3D printing that patent drawing

#

Hell, a preview for a 3D printed patent drawing of a device that we still don't have after 8 months

worthy kettle
#

yep. hyped over smoke pretty much

scarlet hazel
#

Weren't there some pictures of an "in the works" prototype some time ago?

ripe nacelle
#

Yup

dusty pecan
#

swapping crusty f1c100s with rk3326s would make it perfect

#

and to be honest your theory about v90 not being a powkiddy device is possibly correct - i saw the same device with different brandings

#

on banggood it was sold as "anbernic s-200" iirc

#

some people got one with "64-bit" branding (lmao f1c100s is a 32-bit cpu)

scarlet hazel
#

I remember seeing it sold on Amazon as "Anbernic's 64bit game" at some point, and instead of "Powkiddy", the logo just said "64bit"

vivid crater
#

Pocket Go, Bittboy, V90/Q90 etc, they are all more or less the same thing.

dusty pecan
#

from the CPU standpoint yeah

#

but some hw details make them different

#

screen sizes too

#

btw whoever sells these show REALLY cut the price is half to 20 usd

#

sf2000 is somewhat close in performance to this, m17 however bad is one tier ahead, r3xs turds with rk3326 also get routinely sold for 40 usd

twilit sun
#

Ya i would buy these as gifts if they were cheaper

twilit ledge
#

v90 is still faster and overall much nicer device than sf2000

dusty pecan
#

of course it is, but rockchip devices almost caught up

#

and in case of r33s, while it was available, it was cheaper

vivid crater
#

V90 selling point is being a clamshell really.

The fact there is still nothing more powerful than it for its price is a bonus, but not a massive deal.

If some random clone jank occasionally beats it before they crawl back to whatever zero warranty AliExpress hell spawned them, that's fine.

The V90 was there before them. The V90 will be there after them.
Long live the V90.

night raven
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They're dropping the ball hard here. Even if this thing does come out I probably won't care by then

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My hype has shifted over to the RP Flip 2, since miyoo doesn't want my money

twilit sun
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may end up being true

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if they put RP4 in a clamshell, that may be my next purchase...

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if they want me to buy this, release it Q1

ocean sage
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clamshells are hard to make

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if I recall correctly it took Retroid something like 2 years from concept to release with the flip

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highly likely that Miyoo underestimated the complexity of making one

last orchid
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But V90 is right there, it's cheap, yet sturdy and works. Couldn't they just copy something for once? 😂 Just make a new pcb with better chip and keep everything else. If PK can do it with such a cheap yet quite functional "toy", why can't they ?

dark oracle
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I was half joking when I suggested that the "game console" brand should clone the v90 but now I'm dead serious

chilly thicket
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retrododo testing the flip

last orchid
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Btw I may have a totally naive view of these things as I have made or designed exactly zero handhelds in my life, but people who are behind minis, and couple other cool functional prototypes, should have the experience to figure it out. Can't be that difficult considering how many clones of rgb20s we already got 😀

idle flower
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As realistically, if this device is real and comes out in April may June time, you probably are still going to get it 👀👀

pulsar reef
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I dont want a big device like the RP flip, Im specifically looking for a damn GBA SP!!!

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It is probably not going to be released tho

languid sundial
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Why such a negativity here? Probably it just takes longer to design and engineer it, im sure its coming because t looks like miyoo prioritizes it,

lofty cedar
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Surprising that their horizontal one didn't show up, that'd be simpler engineeringwise than a flip after all.

drowsy kindle
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Is it true that it won't have RTC?

lofty cedar
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Nobody really knows anything beyond miyoo's intention to make one at some point

covert frigate
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One think I'm a bit confused about is sticks that go in meaning less space for battery. They could have had sliders leaving more internal space in the device

lofty cedar
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plenty are not keen on sliders, so they will have had to work out what they thought would sell more devices, a bigger battery or better sticks

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Think, I would prefer the no stick and a bigger battery option instead really

covert frigate
pulsar reef
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I want the directional analog sticks like the N64 controller 🤓

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That would be funny to see hahah

lofty cedar
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just a little bit sub-optimal for a flip. 😄

pulsar reef
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I wanna grab it like an idiot, like you would grab the N64 controller XD

idle flower
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It's fun coming in this chat just to see people asking "is this here yet" when the previous message on the chat is someone complaining it's still not confirmed

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I wish more people scrolled up a little bit before typing sometimes...

vivid crater
wintry lake
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but 3:2

quick bluff
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one of these days we'll get a beautiful 3:2 screen with integer scaling for GBA

vivid crater
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And until then..... V90

pulsar reef
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V90 is kek

vivid crater
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I wouldn't disagree. Great fun though.

ripe nacelle
quick bluff
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that's just a 2x bump, I'm talking like 4x 😭😭

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in fact I'm BEGGING for a 4x scale to happen one day

ocean sage
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RG552 does 7x, how's that?

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or alternatively the Miyoo Mini v4 does 3x iirc

near hollow
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a reminder and a fun fact of the week: Miyoo Mini Flip are still a rumor...

that is all, have a good day everyone.

chilly thicket
winged bear
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you can do 6x with not too big borders on the odin/odin 2 screen

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at 1080p i just do full screen with lcd shader and don't think anything looks bad though

idle flower
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Isn't that like 1620x1080 or something

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If it was cheaper and more available, I'd definitely have one

quick bluff
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yeah but it's not integer scaled gba

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i got 3 requirements:
high res
integer scaled gba at 3x or above
not heavy

idle flower
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@quick bluff Can it not integer scale gba 3x?

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I figured at it's resolution, it can do 6.75x integer scaling, and at that resolution, the scaling wouldn't matter really

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I really doubt a better gba device comes out... Unless they find a really good 3:2 display that's around 4" and is high res

winged bear
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"6.75x integer scaling", lmao

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that's not integer by definition

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but yeah, at 1080p i don't really care for integer, it will look good regardless

quick bluff
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if I could get a killer deal on a kt-r1 I would definitely consider it, but price wise it just doesn't make sense, I'd rather get a modded gba

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I think about getting a modded gba a lot of these days

winged bear
last orchid
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Would be interesting to know where is the ppi/scale multiplier threshold when the non-integer scaling becomes (almost) not noticeable.

ocean sage
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well the difference between 6.75x at 1080p and 7x (Odin vs RG552) is practically microscopic

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so at very least at 1080p you can safely not care about integer scale, possibly at 720p as well

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but to be completely honest, integer scale is overrated

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GBA on a 640x480 display with keep aspect ratio + bilinear + normal 2x filter (or normal 4x if the system has the juice) looks totally fine for day to day use

last orchid
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normal 2x and 4x are downscaling filters? Otherwise I don't really like how bilinear filters look especially on lower resolutions. And it depends on the game but to me it is noticeable like rbg30 with 3x integer vs VGA screen 2.6x. Especially on texts. Less visible with pixelation filters. But would have to try the filters you mentioned..

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Surprisingly enough, on Trimui Smart which has smaller 2.4" but QVGA it looks quite well to me...

quick bluff
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honestly, I'm just nit picky but it helps to be this way since it prevents me from dropping more money on devices that are only almost what I want

daring veldt
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normal4x + lcd grid v2 is pretty close (On 640x480)

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although not everything can run lcd grid v2 it seems

idle flower
idle flower
last orchid
# idle flower same... i had one but gave it a friend years ago when i got an anbernic

I modded mine, with the LCD screen, and new buttons. The problem is that the rubber membranes you get on AX these days are sooo stiff it's pretty uncomfortable to play 😦 I tried several 'kinds' they sell there but they all seem to be similar and way worse than original... So for me it is more comfortable to play on DS Lite if I want the og hw, or emulation handhelds (with benefits of saves, ff etc.). With minUI it's actually even better, because I can use the sd card as it was a game cartridge, and rotate multiple devices as I want...

idle flower
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I never modded mine myself, i have a friend who does it for fun, but for me the buttons are quite small. i only had it for the nostalgia but its just easy using a dedicated emulation handheld these days. especially with filters and upscaling most importantly for me, save states and FF

quick bluff
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sometimes i think about picking up a nice gba macro since they're usually cheaper than modded gbas

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but i wanna play gbc carts lol

wintry lake
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I bounce between RGB30 and IPS backlit GBA I Have

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for gba games.

For my usecase I try to separate games that NEED save states for me and ones that are more live action or have built in sleep or not as hard to stop playing and pick back up.

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Save state games and RPGs that appreciate FF go on RGB30

Rest go on GBA with flashcart

wintry lake
covert frigate
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I think this is taking too long to come out and it made me reconsider this and pick a 35XXH as my ultimate pocketable handheld

covert frigate
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I'm assuming the size difference of Flip and 35XXH and Flip won't be much difference with Flip being thicker but shorter

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One advantage on not going vertical or flip is the option to play vertical games on a horizontal by its side. With Flip that would be awkward to do and the screen is way too small on a 3.5inch to play in standard orientation

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I just want a pocketable emulation station device and batocera is in the works for 35XXH

last orchid
worthy kettle
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since it's all rumours from what i recall and no official announcement i doubt calling it "promise" is quite an overstatement. and no i don't count "potentially random support person telling me x" as anything official. that's probably just slightly more reliable than "my grandfather's cousin works at nintendo and he said..."

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then again, i don't know much about their inner workings, but unless i see an official announcement or anything of that sort i wouldn't bet on it

dark oracle
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yeah I'm disappointed with their customer support responses over the past months but notice how careful they are with their wording

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they always respond with "expected/planned to release in xxx" instead of "will release in xxx"

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they are never sure 😂

worthy kettle
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probably because all they know is vague info themselves

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they're just support staff afterall

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like

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i work in QA and do customer support as well when stuff comes up. do i know about apps/features we're working on? yes, at least partially. do i maybe even know when they're meant to release? maybe even that, but can i make any sure prediction or assessments of that? hell no

lofty cedar
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Would you even be able to give out that information? even heller no, for many companies that would be a sacking offence

worthy kettle
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that as well, unless they're explicitly told to give a guesstimate

dark oracle
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somehow miyoo customer service is willing to give out info like this lol

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that was from about a year ago though

proven jay
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For the flip anyway I would not hold my breath, they didn't show not even an powerered on test version

lofty cedar
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I'd expect an XX Flip before any miyoo one tbh

last orchid
# worthy kettle since it's all rumours from what i recall and no official announcement i doubt c...

Indeed "promise" is a bit of a stretch, and you can go all "lawyer" at me, but the message I wanted to sent was that imo it is simply not worth waiting on anything from Miyoo right now, especially not something that we haven't even seen a decent prototype of yet. The experience with other models has shown, that you could be waiting a very long time (or it may get cancelled completely like P60 which was teased and kept leaking for over a year). Support is part of your official communication channel whether you want or not, and is not customer's fault if they provide fuzzy or wrong information. And that's what I was saying, that even if they keep saying "almost, it is around the corner" I will not believe it anymore until I see it in stock...

worthy kettle
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my stand is also that people can overhype themselves about every nugget of information they can get no matter how invalid it may be

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but i agree the support shouldn't be saying anything about anything that is still in development

ripe nacelle
last orchid
last orchid
# ripe nacelle

I have seen this one, but can't say much from this pic. Compare to A30 where the first gameplay video of a unit that looked like it could be pretty close to finished was shown when? Last summer? Maybe even sooner? And yet still nowhere to be bought.

ripe nacelle
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Still a prototype though

last orchid
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I guess they are just a very small company, and can't push all in parallel, which is a pitty as so far everything we saw from them looked good to me..

covert frigate
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Ive come to a realisation a Flip device isn't even more pocketable. The added thickness makes it less pocketable. The best form factor in my opinion is the RG35XXH or RG353M. Just put on a screen protector if worried about screen

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Then you also have the added bonus of vertical games playing sideways

proven jay
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Imho the flip is interesting for the clamshell design+hdmi+Bluetooth
A retroswitch

dark oracle
last orchid
covert frigate
dark oracle
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the rp flip was definitely less pocketable to me in the end because of the thickness, but gba sp and ds lite thickness is perfectly fine

last orchid
dark oracle
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a new trimui s would be awesome though

covert frigate
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The 353M felt like pocketing a small size smartphone I even managed to have both my phone and 353M in the same pocket if I wore joggers

last orchid
dusty pecan
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I hope the color scheme in the mock ups is real. I’d love to see a handheld decked out in different pastel colors haha

lofty cedar
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Clearly the next flip should be this one.

rgb30-flip-would-this-be-a-hit-v0-i1wivcejr7ec1.webp
winged bear
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rgb30 max flip pro 3

dark oracle
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you know what, I'd buy that

tawdry obsidian
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x86 parts in a shell that small would be an amazing idea

heady relic
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The 15 second battery life would be amazing

lofty cedar
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While the handheld was a bit shite, the previous powkiddy clamshell's hinge was decent wasn't it?

chilly thicket
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Yeah loads of complaints about the v90 and x18 but the hinges seem sturdy

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A clamshell RGB30 would be fire

subtle mango
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Imagine if they put the speakers besides the screen like the DS line

chilly thicket
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That would allow for more inset/ergo stick placement

dusty pecan
winged bear
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it fuckin sucks

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screen may be durable but looks horrid

solemn silo
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I’m still debating about the joystick

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Like if it should have joystick or not

rose pendant
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Sliders make the most sense if anything.

twilit sun
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its kind of similar to the placement of the dpad on other devices. If the device can do twin stick well it makes sence to have the stick on top, but if its best for dpad games, dpad should be on top imo. So this would really only need decent sticks if it does stick games in any significant way

chilly thicket
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I figure the sticks won’t get used a ton here but it’ll be nice to have them for ports, one handing rpgs while eating lunch (right stick = dpad), and maybe playing some n64

wintry lake
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I honestly would LOVE rp flip style sliders, with clickable L3/R3. Feels best of both worlds for these devices. You keep pocketability for non clamshell devices. You give joystick enjoyers an option, and a less obstructive option for those who dont want them

lofty cedar
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Feels like a solution that only really serves those who don't want them since they are so far less than what those who would want them would like

dusty pecan
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when sticks are so close together they make a device look ugly. It's not that they look like eyes or boobs, they're just aesthetically unappealing. The ratrio of stick diameter to surrounding chassis also plays a role, as the sticks on the 405v look much less offensive than those on the 353v, despite the sticks being the same size. MM Flip sticks look goofy, but onion os + 4:3 clamshell is still a win.

rough breach
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:)

night raven
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Gross

night raven
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The identity of the device is GBA SP size and ratios, and ultimate portability so it cannot be made larger. Having access to sticks provides a greater ability to play more games and removing them wouldn't provide any tangible benefit besides aesthetics.

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In short, people that want no analog sticks are fine with wanting that but it doesn't make any logical sense

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In a perfect world two models would be available one with and one without, but if only one model is to exist it better have analog sticks. If it was a dedicated GBA device it wouldn't need them but if it is possible to play platforms that require the sticks then it should have them

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Although arguing over sticks is pointless considering the device is vaporware

lofty cedar
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If the design results in sticks that are so poorly placed that you wouldn't be able to use them even though the system technically supports higher systems, they are utterly pointless to include though. The general functionality of the device could actually be reduced by them if they made the use of the dpad and buttons worse, so it is not so simple as adding more stuff equals more functionality.

night raven
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no, the dpad and buttons would be in the same location regardless

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whether the sticks are usable or not is subjective, as with most things. theres nothing subjective though about not having sticks, if you dont you cant play games that need them

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its fine to not like them or want them, but stop making arguments the device would be better without them

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its an illogical argument and simply false

lofty cedar
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If the sticks mean your hand position is less comfortable and they are in such a position that you wouldn't readily be able to use them then it is simply not false that their presence had made a device worse

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In the case of the flip the leaks indicate that they are so recessed that you probably wouldn't notice them, but the blind assertion that more is automatically better is a flawed one.

rough breach
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I just don't see someone ever using this handheld for a game that uses twin sticks

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dualshock layout would prolly work best

lofty cedar
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that's probably the closest approximation to the leaked flip as they are more centred than the dpad and buttons

empty cedar
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I'd much rather it have sliders than sticks imo

night raven
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the recessed sticks do not effect your hand position in any way shape or form. you would hold it the exact same if they were gone

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im not implying "more is better" on every handheld, we are talking about the miyoo flip

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in this case, yes sticks are better than no sticks

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except for cases where the user prefers the aesthetics of no sticks, which is subjective

lofty cedar
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Think about your hand position, if your hands are coming in more from the sides then you will avoid the sticks, if you hold it a bit more vertically then the sticks could get in the way, making the primary usage of the device worse.

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How recessed matters on a design too, in the pictures they are not flat to the device

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We might as well drop this since we clearly won't change the others opinion, which is what both are, rather than one being facts as you seem to think.

night raven
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Bro your hand position is the same with (recessed) sticks which these are and HAVE to be because its a clamshell

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your hand literally goes over top of them

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if the sticks were above the shell youd maybe have a point, but that would be poor design

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and isnt really possible with a clamshell, because the screen has to close

lofty cedar
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Wow, you are seriously desperate to try and get the last word on this, just accept that people disagree with you on this point

fading anchor
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the sticks look like shit lmao

winged bear
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agreed

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who wants an ugly handheld with sticks if they don't need em to play gba

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not me

dusty pecan
# night raven Functionality over aesthetics always

In the case of inexpensive nostalgia-driven retro handhelds, I disagree. Unless you want to keep buying them, it's important to have devices that strike an emotional chord with you for their purpose. Obviously it can't be a piece of junk that doesn't play games well, so beyond that all you really have are looks, size/purpose, and the number of supported emulators/games. That's why the MM+ and RG35xx are so popular despite not having any sticks and also why the ARD-D doesn't have sticks.

dawn stream
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I own a RPFlip so I seriously have no reason to be playing PSX or higher in this hypothetical Miyoo Mini Flip

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I barely even play my MM+ anymore, only for Pico 8 and GBA

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If I get a MM Flip, it will be to replace the MM+

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For me a better "functionality" use of that space where the sticks are located would be some extra buttons for hotkeys/remaps

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or better speakers

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There's a lot you could use with that space to optimize functionality without adding sticks that would be mostly unused by me.

dusty pecan
night raven
lofty cedar
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Certainly looked that way when I suggested we drop it, since neither side was going to agree with the other and you opted not to do so. facepalmpicard

chilly thicket
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Sticks on this will see heavy use at my place if it really is a 3566 and it gets cfw that supports portmaster

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Also right stick to dpad mapping to play snes/psx rpgs while eating lunch with my left

dark oracle
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sticks vs no sticks argument still going strong huh 😄

night raven
dark oracle
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I said my piece already so I have one thing left to say to no-stick peeps

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#1169059294919012494

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that is all

night raven
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its purely a function vs aesthetics debate, end of story

lofty cedar
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There have been numerous examples given where omitting them improves the function

night raven
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wrong

winged bear
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right

dark oracle
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this is going nowhere doggylol

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just wait till peeps get their hands on their devices (if that's any time soon lol) and see what we say

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then you can gloat as much as you want if we happen to be wrong and the sticks make our hands cramp minutes after using them

night raven
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thats not even the point

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it doesnt matter if our hands cramp

dark oracle
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hmm idk what the point is then lol

night raven
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removing them does nothing, it would be the same size with less functionality

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the dpad and buttons would be in the same spot

dark oracle
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ah gotcha

night raven
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in changes nothing except now you have no sticks

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functionality vs aesthetics

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aesthetics nerds trying to find bullshit reasons why no sticks is better is sad and weird

dark oracle
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yeah I've been saying since the very beginning this was a form vs function debate

night raven
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just buy the anbernic guys

winged bear
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why do you want fuckin sticks when you already have 10 other handhelds with sticks that do literally the same thing

dark oracle
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if you're gonna keep debating just keep it classy lol

night raven