Miyoo Flip

[crimson meteor]

Action games, I just use my DS4

Would really like a souped up dualscreen handheld as well. This has 4:3 ratio so it's pretty nice.

[chilly thicket]

I don't think I need a second screen but I like clamshells for protecting the controls and screen in my pocket

[crimson meteor]

Anything can be a clamshell if you have a 3d printer and the electronics knowhow

[chilly thicket]

lol

[subtle mango]

Facts

And don’t mind an unknown amount of prototyping

[chilly thicket]

I looked at making a mintypi at one point way back

before you could just buy retro handhelds off the shelf (and back when rPIs were a reasonable thing to buy)

whole thing built into an altoids tin as your case

[crimson meteor]

Kinda wanna try a clamshell rg35xx

Probs not possible with how the board is...

Big ol cluster of resistors right in the middle

[chilly thicket]

I'm hoping anbernic makes that themselves tbh

they have to know there's a demand for clams

and that demand is from people that want to play donkey kong country, not people who want to play upscaled god of war

so hopefully they do a modern v90 equivalent and not a competitor to the retroid flip

I want an SoC powerful enough to fast forward on PS1, being able to play n64 full speed (no good rpgs for n64 so I don't care about FF there), and as minimalist of an OS as possible to quickly boot/shutdown/save/load/etc is my goal with a retro handheld

would rather use an x86 handheld like a deck/ally/gpd win mini etc for GC/PS2 and up than mess with android personally

though if the flip gets its hardware and software issues sorted out (cracking hinges, sleep fix bug, no home/back buttons, etc) that is tempting form factor wise I just wish it were thinner (why the stacked analogs on a clamshell t618 lol)

this miyoo flip looks perfect

as portable as my v90 but hopefully at the quality of my 353VS

so I can replace both

probably a better dpad than the 353VS

which does lightly fail the contra test when the mini+ I owned for a hot minute did much better

just couldn't justify owning both and found the mini+ was a step down in ergo from the VS without actually being small enough for me to want to jam it in a jeans pocket and feel good about it

https://youtu.be/msjZTXATgXo in case anyone hasn't watched this yet

actually smaller than the v90 which is wild

I hope the battery isn't terrible as a catch

so far the only dumb thing I see is the power button being on the side

I hope it doesn't work while the thing is closed

honestly would prefer if there were no power button and instead it just used opening/closing the cover as power on/off

[empty sandal]

I can't decide if I should be annoyed by this or not. The V90 is very small.

But I am really excited for this device regardless

[chilly thicket]

its a bigger screen if that's what you're concerned about

and better control spacing too

rather than wasting the entire bottom part of the device for speakers

[remote heart]

Speaker 🤣

[chilly thicket]

the v90 has two

oddly

I don't think stereo speakers like 1" apart really give you directional audio

so I actually prefer the single speaker between the sticks that the miyoo flip or the 353VS has because you're way less likely to cover/muffle it compared to the gameboy style corner speaker of the mini/35xx

[rotund ember]

Doesn't seem to be that much smaller to be concerned

[rich plover]

yeah... i wish start and select were higher tho

seems weird to have them way down away from the dpad and buttons

[chilly thicket]

True, though looking at the speaker grille on the render I think the speaker they’ve chosen would not fit between the sticks to have them trade places

That blank spot in the very middle of the 3D print correlating to the speaker location

God I’m just getting more hyped for this thing daily despite already owning a 353VS with the exact same SoC

[subtle mango]

I'm getting hyped daily and I don't have any experience with this SoC

[chilly thicket]

It’s basically endgame if you want Linux and gba/ps1 and down with some n64/dc/psp

Haven’t had to tinker at all with ps1 on my 353VS and that’s probably my main nostalgia system

I had an NES/SNES/GBC before that but the PS1 was the first system I had during a time in my life where I had enough spending money to actually build a decent game library

[rich plover]

yeah its like, enough power to upscale ps1 and run decent shaders on everything below it but not quite enough to nail n64/dc/saturn/psp (but enough power for a lot of those games to be totally playable)

[chilly thicket]

yeah, I tested like four psp games so far and 2 of them worked flawless with zero tweaking, one required a single setting change due to a known bug, and the other will not work period

but I didn't try any heavyweight action or racing games

the two that worked flawless were disgaea and prinny! can I really be the hero

the one that needed one text rendering switch was metal gear ac!d 1

the one that did not work was metal gear ac!d 2

[remote heart]

Mine had only one inside

[willow dust]

My first impression is v90 and mini flip is same as GBA SP,
It seems they all have tune the size a bit?

[chilly thicket]

yeah, the GBA SP is a little bigger than the v90 which is a little bigger than the miyoo flip but they're all quite close

[oak glacier]

I want this so badddd

[tawdry sparrow]

Btw, what you guys think how much ram will it have?

[crimson meteor]

It better have 1gb

[chilly thicket]

1gb is the “correct” amount for a Linux only 3566 if they want to make sure it’s compatible with everything other 3566 Linux setups are (portmaster, etc) since that’s what the rk2023, 353vs, 353ps etc have. Some 3566 devices have 2gb but those are only ones that use that extra ram to run android

I don’t think that extra gig would do anything for you in Linux

[dark oracle]

maybe more ports? didn't do any research on that though

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I don't think any RK3566 device has less than 1GB

Now, seems like Powkiddy uses faster memory than Anbernic (the only logical explanation why they are slightly faster)

That would be better than the extra RAM

[chilly thicket]

True

Faster ram = might do slightly better gpu wise = might get a few more frames on marginal systems (psp, dreamcast, n64, Saturn)

[rotund ember]

Yeah, seems that way #🐈│retro-game-corps message

Haven't seen anyone dive any deeper into that though

Damn, can't help but think that the horizontal Mini is really unnecessary at this point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRg5Si-5tCk

[tawdry obsidian]

I like it a lot, bittboy successor or a 280m plastic version

I don't NEED it since I picked up a 35xx but it's nice

[rotund ember]

Just seems like one more hurdle before the Flip gets released.

If it were Anbernic — well, they make a new device every month, no biggie.

But with Mini it would be a miracle if they released just one new device, let alone two.

[rich plover]

yeah the mini horizontal (if the old specs are true) is gonna be a weird inbetween of the regular miyoo mini and flip in terms of specs but if its cheap enough i can see it filling a good niche

[chilly thicket]

is there a SoC revealed for the horizontal?

[steep dust]

The niche I think the horizontal fits in is probably just "I wanted a miyoo mini but wide instead of tall"

[chilly thicket]

I think if it’s the same chipset as the mini/mini+ it’ll also be cheaper than the flip by a decent margin

[rich plover]

Like months and months ago it was supposedly the same soc as pocketgo s30, some allwinner chip

Idk if it's still that

but if it is then it can do alittle n64 and Dreamcast so that justifies the stick a bit more

[proven sonnet]

RGB10 Pro is still the best GBA handheld IMO!

[remote heart]

I actually have an rgb10 pro shell and screen but I haven’t swapped yet because I like the yellow shell haha

[subtle mango]

That or the RG351P

[chilly thicket]

honestly kinda hate that all the 'best GBA handhelds' have analog sticks

where's my 35XX but for GBA

[subtle mango]

In Anbernic’s recycling bin

[chilly thicket]

or a 3:2 miyoo mini

[subtle mango]

They have forsaken all 3:2 screens

The only person who has not forsaken the 3:2 is Nil

[chilly thicket]

for reference, rgb10 vs 351p vs ktr1

[subtle mango]

Maybe PowKiddy because they have some weird lower end handhelds with 3:2 screens

[chilly thicket]

I hope the screen in the KTR1 winds up in something linux based someday

[subtle mango]

Kinda same

I just mostly want 3:2 to be more common

[chilly thicket]

yeah, a 3:2 linux clamshell with higher screen res would be the dream, but I'll settle for 640 x 480 4:3 😉

[subtle mango]

I’d be fine with a mid resolution 3:2 screen

But I’m not picky about resolution most of the time so that’s probably why

[chilly thicket]

640x480 is just not a great res for GBA

like it's ok

but it's not amazing

[subtle mango]

Depending on the game it’s either ok or eh

The screen used in the 280V/M works pretty damn well for GBA scaling

Also a minor bit of vertical stretching works pretty well

[rotund ember]

I wonder if RK3566 is enough to run mgba with rewind on in all titles

You do have to resort to gbSP on RK3326 in some titles

[subtle mango]

Yup

[remote heart]

Yea the analogs are ridiculous. This is also part of why rgb10 is best with only one low profile analog. I’ve considered removing it and 3D printing a press fit cover also

[chilly thicket]

yeah that would be tempting to me as well

[remote heart]

It’s alright. It’s better than 480x320 is for snes

[chilly thicket]

I don't mind the analogs on the flip since the clamshell means they don't hook in your pocket

[chilly thicket]

oh yeah 640x480 is great for all n64/dc/ps1 and down home consoles

[burnt crag]

I don't mind having an analog stick for gba because it's good for top-down games with 8-directional movement. Minish Cap, Golden Sun, Mario&Luigi, etc. all feel better playing with the stick imo

[rotund ember]

God those stories about RP Flip having fragile hinges are heart-breaking to see

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/140556a/flip_update/

[chilly thicket]

Yeah it never pays to buy the first batch of any of these handhelds it seems

I hope this one turns out ok

[steep dust]

The V90 had okay hinges yeah?
I feel like this was mostly a matter of weight

[chilly thicket]

I don't think the weight is what's wrong with the flip

I think the hinge pin is too big for the slot on some units (presumably tolerances too wide)

but yeah the v90 hinges seem solid

the v90 despite feeling really really cheap from a plastic texture perspective I have no real complaints about from a durability perspective

honestly my main complaints with the v90 are screen and SoC, and this addresses those

I'm a little worried about how big/small of a battery we're gonna get here

Maybe this will get some of the other firmwares like dot/min/finUI and onion off of the weaker SoCs and onto the 3566-verse

[elfin patrol]

Miyoo will have to have some sort of OS. I wonder if they're going the emulation station route or porting MainUI over

[tawdry sparrow]

And that it will has removable battery or not.

[rotund ember]

I think GKD managed to fit 3000 m*Ah in their Mini+

That's less than the 353 series with their 3500 m*Ah batteries, but still not bad

[chilly thicket]

I would take larger over easily swappable any day

I'm not gonna carry around a bunch of 1000 mAh nokia batteries for my v90

not when literally any of my handhelds will charge just fine off a usb power bank

if I'm replacing a battery that will no longer hold a charge that's a benchtop repair where I'm fine to remove some screws and cut a couple wires

[rotund ember]

Yeah, IMO the swappable batteries are a very weird use case

Like I can see myself charging a few of them in preparation for like a flight to another hemisphere or something. Can't think of any other instance where that would be practical

[tawdry sparrow]

What if they are using (rechargable) aaa or a23 type of batteries 😱.

[chilly thicket]

with a built in charger or do I now have to have two sets and a wall charger?

a simple built in rechargeable battery cell seems to just be the simplest thing

[tawdry sparrow]

No, i tought you can charge it without taking out. But i wrote it because i think its funny, maybe interesting to think about it.

[chilly thicket]

I think you'd need 3 x AA to get up to the voltage of the 35xx/353vs type systems (maybe even 4 just to be safe) and then you're looking at a much heavier and bulkier solution than a pouch cell and around the same capacity

100g of battery weight at that point

[subtle mango]

yeah just let me pack a medium small battery bank with my handheld to "increase" my battery life

like a 4k or 5kmah bank

[chilly thicket]

yeah, I've been thinking about getting a carry-on backpack with a dedicated battery bank pocket with a little hole to thread an usb cable through

[subtle mango]

get one of those retractable USB cables and you're pretty much set

[chilly thicket]

as is I just bring a steam deck, a retro handheld, and an ipad with me when I fly across canada

I'm not gonna kill all three during the trip

[subtle mango]

The steam deck is the most likely to have low battery

depending on what you're playing

[chilly thicket]

yeah, that's just it - do I want to play elden ring for approx 2 hours then switch to a crossword on the ipad or the 353VS, or do I want to play an n64 game or an indie title for 6

[steep dust]

I play indies on my deck, runs 5-6 sometimes 7

I understand part of the appeal is being -able- to play Elden Ring but it just ain't worth it to me

[chilly thicket]

yeah I just realized the last time I was able to get 6-ish hours out of rogue legacy 2 I even had wifi turned on for no reason

might've netted me an extra 30-60 mins without that

[subtle mango]

I think I nearly got 7 hours of StarDew Valley running on the deck at 3 watts

[chilly thicket]

yeah, can't wait to see the next chip that comes out that can actually go that low for x86

I was hoping the z1x would be that but alas

it is not as modified from a 7840u as I hoped

as is I think I actually can get slightly longer battery life from my deck than my 353VS if I'm emulating n64 or psp

[warm basin]

Curious how the hinge on this will do
After the RP Flip has been going for some people

[chilly thicket]

If it’s an SP style one like the v90 I would hope it’ll be fine

The v90 hinge is solid at like 1/5th the price lol

Given I’ve also seen cracking around dpads and the air intake I don’t think the problem on the flip is actually the hinge

Just garbo plastic

That being said I’d kill for an aluminum clamshell in this form factor

[remote heart]

There is a boxypixel metal sp shell now 😎

[warm basin]

Imagine the weight of that top half

[rotund ember]

We really need to figure out a way to dare Anbernic into doing this or something

[chilly thicket]

I’d prefer not anbernic

They’d just pick some random obscure chip for no reason and never share kernel sources

Like they did for the 35xx

But you’re probably right that nobody else is really doing metal shells

[remote heart]

It’s a shame mrgc went away

[woven badger]

There is a company who make metal shells for things, always sell out fast and always expensive.

I am not sure they ever sold the miyoo mini metal shell but that looked awesome.

[limpid eagle]

I have an RP3+ and it runs PSP flawlessly

[chilly thicket]

?

What does that have to do with this?

[limpid eagle]

Oh wow. I was responding to a message from a few days ago it looks like, my bad haha

[topaz swift]

Happens to me too all the time 💀

All good

[chilly thicket]

if this is what we think it is (functionally identical to an anbernic 353vs/ps but clamshell) the screen won't be the greatest thing in the world for psp but a fair bit of that library will be playable

like the psp was 480x272 and this is 640x480 so you won't be integer scaling it, but you won't be downscaling it either

the big thing is whether you're ok with functionally a 3.2" display for psp

by the time you add the letterboxing

[wild flower]

I saw a picture of this and immediately thought of the mock up for the flip.. I hope they do go with a whacky color scheme.

[dark oracle]

no news for nearly a month? absolutely unacceptable. it's bad enough that this device doesn't exist yet

I need to speak to the CEO of miyoo

[subtle mango]

this is bog standard for Miyoo

[dark oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-gif-19768362

[subtle mango]

if we had a dollar for the amount of handhelds that have become vaporware from Miyoo, we'd have like 5 dollars

[chilly thicket]

so far it's what? the mini horizontal, the larger horizontal, and this for rumoured/announced stuff that hasn't appeared?

and then miyoo mini and mini plus that are available

so as long as at least one of the three announced/rumoured devices makes it to market they're over 50%

[subtle mango]

The P60 which from what I remember was supposed to be like a RK3566 handheld around the size of the RG280M

[dark oracle]

that's a different thing, the p60 was an android handheld with the helio p60 chip

we don't talk about the p60 no more

[subtle mango]

I still dream of compact power that great

the best I got is the RGB10

[dark oracle]

most peeps settled with the rp3+

[subtle mango]

that's a great handheld but not super pocketable

[dark oracle]

either that or they preordered the kt r1

yeah I get that

[subtle mango]

The RGB10 formfactor is being slept on so hard

Rk3326 power in a handheld a smidge bigger than the RG280M

[chilly thicket]

so the p60, the 282, and the flip are it for leaked but unmade miyoo devices?

282 probably coming once/if they are able to get the OG mini as a regular stock item and still have 2.8" screens left over

the flip they're still iterating with controls and casing

but uses the readily available 3.5" screen

[subtle mango]

The venerable 3.5" 480p screen

[chilly thicket]

I mean it's perfect for anything but psp/gba

and it's not that bad for gba

[subtle mango]

it's fine enough for GBA but not ideal

PSP ehhh depends on the game and if you're willing to stretch the screen a bit

3:2 with a smidge of screen stretch is far better for PSP

[chilly thicket]

yeah, I'll letterbox a few PSP games on my 353VS

highly simple/stylized stuff like patapon for example

but overall for PSP I think I'd rather resort to a larger widescreen handheld like the OGU or the steam deck

whereas GBA on the 3.5" 640x480 is 'good enough' that I'll not reach for the OGU or the steam deck just to get a better picture

[subtle mango]

I wish the OGU had better CFW for it

[jaunty storm]

so what would even be battery life of something like this?

[subtle mango]

presuming it's at least a 3,500mah battery, maybe a high end of 6 hours

6 or 7 hours depending on the game you're running and screen brightness and sound volume and ALL SORTS OF VARIABLES THAT MAKE MY HEAD TURN TO SIDEWALK MUSH

[jaunty storm]

what about doing something like gba without sound and mid to high brightness as a variable?

[subtle mango]

probably 5 and a half to 6 hours depending on which GBA game

it'd be good battery life for sure

and depending on the firmware you might be able to use a power saver mode to get even more pokemon grinding or general RPG grinding

or me binging Shining force for like the eighth time

[chilly thicket]

yeah it all comes down to how big of a battery they can fit in

but I expect the screen/speaker/SoC to have basically equivalent power draw to the 353VS

and the VS has 3200mAh and it's always lasted me plenty

[subtle mango]

yeah I haven't had any issues with the 353V

well besides UNOS not having a universal brightness hotkey but that seems to be a CFW thing that's not entirely exclusive to the 353V

[jaunty storm]

still sad miyoo hasn't put out a small horizontal handheld in a while

[jaunty storm]

also a thought just occured to me do we think this devise will come out?

[rotund ember]

I don't think even Miyoo knows that

[jaunty storm]

thinking about it I wonder why a gba sp form factor instead of a ds lite form factor

[tawdry sparrow]

I guess, because Miyoo is known for small, and cheaper devices; so its maybe cheaper to manufacture smaller devices, or they found rk3566 stock for cheap?🤔 And want the crown from the v90. I think. Or maybe, so pepole wont ask for a second screen. And the hinge will last longer.
Or maybe all thing i wrote.

But i really hope they can get this under 70-85$. So hopefully i can buy it for under 110-120$ after shipping and taxes😬.

[jaunty storm]

thinking about it the gba sp form factor is kind of small

probably wont be the most comfortable devise to use

[subtle mango]

it is possible that it won't even come out

[dark oracle]

we don't need that negative energy in here

[chilly thicket]

The gba sp form factor or the ds lite form factor both work for me, but ds lite would probably be widescreen and then you want a chip that can do full psp

DS lite form factor with the amlogic chipset like the max 3 or OGU would be amazing tbh

The clamshell psp sony never made while also playing up to some gc/ps2

[rotund ember]

Yeah, if this were DS-sized, I'd rather it could play PSP really well

[chilly thicket]

Yeah, “rp flip but doesn’t look like it got stung by a bee and with pocketable shoulder buttons” is my ideal form factor, preferably running Linux

But as is this miyoo flip would replace all my 3566 and below handhelds while being super pocketable

It would easily obsolete my q36, miyoo mini (maybe not that one because it’s good for one handed use), miyoo mini+, v90, and 353vs

It wouldn’t completely obsolete my OGU because the OGU does psp/n64/dreamcast/bit of gc/bit of ps2 and has a widescreen but every other retro handheld I own is either weaker, less pocketable, or both compared to the miyoo flip

[tawdry sparrow]

*With better hinges, that doesn't stick out.

[jaunty storm]

from what I heard the retroid pocket flip has shell problems

[chilly thicket]

Yes

That and the massive shoulders are why I haven’t bought one fwiw

When it was announced they were doing a clamshell I was initially excited because I love clamshells and I currently own zero android devices so I wanted to try some android native games

Minecraft on handheld for instance

[willow dust]

ds lite/dsi shell with a 16:9 screen suitable for psp would be super amazing for me

rp flip is a bit thick , and the hinges problem make me not going to play it in some tough situation though my hinges don't have any crack on it currently

[chilly thicket]

yeah, oddly thick plus those massive stacked shoulders on what is meant to be a more pocketable device than the 3+

odd design choices

honestly it would be fine even if I'd prefer a bit thinner if they just switched to inline shoulders

[jaunty storm]

miyoo if you are watching please make a modern ds lite

[chilly thicket]

I think they have enough unreleased skus as is lol

[steep dust]

Unfortunately android games have like, terrible gamepad support

Sometimes those that have it don't even recognize basic drivers

And some games that are ports of normal controller games, don't have gamepad support

[jaunty storm]

that is part of why ayn making a key mapper for the odin was a useful feature

[silk sentinel]

this looks so cool 😆

[wintry lake]

same

its why my 351p doesn't get as much love as it could

[wintry lake]

how much dc do you get on OGU?

[chilly thicket]

I haven’t tested extensively but I’d expect most if not all dreamcast to run great on the OGU

It’s roughly equivalent to a t618 device in terms of what it will emulate, but it’s Linux instead of android

It is a kinda quirky device in many respects so I don’t think I would recommend it unless you’re looking for a cheap device to hack/tinker on

The max 3 looks more like “what if we did the ogu but for gaming instead of tinkering?”

But obviously no reviews on that guy yet

[wintry lake]

hmm hmmm good point

[pale gyro]

Need some news for this come on miyoo

[warm basin]

Flip is being shelved temporarily so Miyoo P60 development can continue

[ember jasper]

Seriously?

[warm basin]

Nah I'm just joking the P60 isn't real anymore

[abstract mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-missing-gary-lonely-tears-spongebob-gif-14460070 it's still real to me...

[warm basin]

I'm sorry for your loss

[pale gyro]

When will this come out? Figure it out miyoo

[elfin patrol]

Miyoo's probably mad we even found the patent images

Now they have to endure endless questions about a prototype

[wintry lake]

far too late

[frozen mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-force-unleashed-force-unleashed2-your-feelings-for-her-are-not-real-they-are-real-to-me-gif-21341063

Made me think of this lol

[pale gyro]

Hurry up Miyoo

[subtle mango]

remember children, it might not even come out

[ember jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-youre-right-youre-right-agreeing-right-correct-gif-15580706

but a man can still dream

[chilly thicket]

if miyoo doesn't make this somebody will

the manufacturers must know we want a better v90

[dark oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tobey-maguire-please-dont-say-that-no-why-gif-20145774

maybe it's time to reach out to miyoo again for an update lol

[jaunty storm]

I still want a ds lite form factor emulation devise

I have adult hands

[crimson meteor]

I wonder if DeWalt make a shell...

[tawdry sparrow]

Someone made a pretty good DIY GBA SP "clone?" kit, although, this doesn't have joystick, and only has l1 and r1 triggers.
It can either has rp zero 1 or 2, and it has 2 more buttons (X and Y), but as i saw in his website, you need to make that 2 holes yourself(if you want to use that 2), but you can get a cheap aftermarket shell on Aliexpress or other site; and you may need to solder the rp zero 1/2 to the controller board.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/14zexz1/another_project_i_recently_completed_a_gameboy

You can find his website, youtube in his reddit acc., and he has some more interesting projects.

[chilly thicket]

That would be good. The RP flip but inline shoulders and skimmed down a bit would be an amazing form factor rather than wearing space marine pauldrons and looking like it was stung by a bee. Would definitely prefer a chip with Linux support though.

[fickle patrol]

you'd think powkiddy would realise if anyone. the V90 must be one of their most popular devices

what i didn't realise until i went snooping around patents recently is that the RGB line, RK2023 and the V90/Q90/Q20/Q36 all seem to come from the same design/engineering team which is separate from the ones behind powkiddy's other stuff (X line etc)

so basically all of powkiddy's linux handhelds except the X55 were from this team

you'd think they might put two and two together and come up with a clamshell RGB device at some point

[chilly thicket]

A clamshell max 3 would be hype

[rotund ember]

Never would have thought the same people made all these devices. They look pretty different (not a lot of common design traits, etc)

[fickle patrol]

i definitely see some common threads between them, like q90 to rgb10 to rgb10max is a pretty clear progression. max 2 was more of a digression shapewise but kept basically the same layout from the max 1. q20 and rgb20 both have that famicom look

i'm not 1000% sure on this part but i think they might've been the same people behind the LDK devices too. Q90 looks a hell of a lot like a rounded off LDK landscape

RK2023 is the one that really seems like an outlier from the pack to me (but maybe that was intentional to distinguish it from the RGB line? idk)

[rotund ember]

Maybe you're right. I try to think of real outliers, and all I can think of is X stuff (X18, X28, etc)

[remote heart]

Rgb10 rebirth please

[subtle mango]

^

if we got an RGB10 with the RK3566 I'd preorder near instantly

[delicate cloud]

I heard rk3566

Insta buy

[chilly thicket]

like with a 3:2 screen?

I think that's the only downside (if you're obsessed with GBA) to the rk2023

[subtle mango]

give me 3:2 over 4:3 every day

[chilly thicket]

I'd agree on horizontals (not verticals because I don't want them wider) and only if the screen res is still good for 4:3 stuff

like 720x480 would be a straight upgrade from 640x480

but 480x320 is not amazing

I'd take 3:2 on a clamshell like this too but frankly I dunno if I trust miyoo to pick out screens anymore

I think 480 vertical res is the last time you get an integer scale for both 240 and 160 vertical res for a bit though

960 would be the next but that seems rare

then 1440

[subtle mango]

I just prefer 3:2 for versatility with better PSP framing and some 16:9 scaling

[chilly thicket]

True, I’m all for it I just don’t want to go back to 320p to do it

[subtle mango]

I'm used to it at this point with how many dozens of hours I've put on both my RGB10 and RG351P

[wintry lake]

Which do you prefer?

[subtle mango]

Depends on what I'm playing

For games that don't need two joysticks, the RGB10

For N64 PSX that needs or really benefits from joysticks, 351P

[remote heart]

The rgb10 is god tier. I wouldn’t say any 3326 devices are good for n64

[chilly thicket]

The miyoo flip with dual sticks and a 3566 is a handheld actually worth playing ocarina of time on though

[subtle mango]

you'd be surprised how much performance you can get out of it when you have more options for tweaking

[pale gyro]

Hurry up Miyoo!!

[subtle mango]

you might jynx it by saying that

[remote heart]

The compromises in accuracy are not worth it imo.

[subtle mango]

aye fair enough

[wintry lake]

Mine is currently on a plane heading to me

[remote heart]

Get a vita analog stick also

[pale gyro]

this is just like the P60 never going to happen.

[subtle mango]

yup

[pale gyro]

P60 or Flip comes out first? Come on Powkiddy hurry up

[ember jasper]

this isn't powkiddy

[elfin patrol]

Ignore Lash

They're doing some light trolling

[pale gyro]

They sell Miyoo mini plus on their site. Sounds like powkiddy to me. Just a sub division

[ember jasper]

no miyoo is owned by retroid to make low-end devices

[pale gyro]

They all owned by the CCP!

[ember jasper]

all chinese companies are, on some level

[pale gyro]

Miyoo made the Rk2020 and now powkiddy makes the rk2023.

[ember jasper]

source?

[pale gyro]

Just common knowedge.

That Miyoo made the RK2020

Maybe Powkiddy stole the name?

[fickle patrol]

yeah i don't think there's a connection between the 2020 and 2023

[chilly thicket]

its literally just 'rockchip' and the year

[fickle patrol]

i've seen the patents for both, 2020 was filed by miyoo and 2023 by the same people that designed the RGB series, V90 Q90 etc

powkiddy just sells the mini plus because its popular. theyve always resold other companies products

[chilly thicket]

Surprised they haven’t made a mini plus competitor

[rotund ember]

Just cloning it would be pretty on-brand for Powkiddy

[chilly thicket]

Have they done that to anyone but hardkernel?

The elephant in the room for all the hardkernel clones is that hardkernel is not a Chinese company

[rotund ember]

Anbernic, two or three times, depending on how you count

[chilly thicket]

So there’s an element of “they probably won’t try to sue us in China”

What anbernic devices has powkiddy outright cloned?

[rotund ember]

RGB20S runs vanilla RG351MP firmwares, AFAIK
Not sure how close the RK2023 is to 353 devices, but pretty close as far as I remember

And then there is GKD Mini Plus running a butchered JELOS/ArkOS/etc mix from 353 devices made by Powkiddy (the software part, not the device)

[chilly thicket]

Aren’t the rgb20s, the 351p, etc (and basically every other 3226 device) just an odroid go clone?

I was under the impression that if a legit ripoff occurs between two Chinese companies there is actually legal action that can be taken (and has been with powkiddy taking down rgb20s clones)

[rotund ember]

I'm going just by software compatibility, which might not exactly be enough for the lawsuit though (especially since RGB20S looks nothing like RG351MP)

[chilly thicket]

So the software compatibility thing I don’t think matters unless you actually ship with someone else’s software (they can’t patent using a specific chipset; a specific screen, etc)

I think the onboard firmware with the MM+ chipset would be the main barrier to creating an actual clone (that is compatible with onionOS)

Since you’d have to steal miyoo’s firmware which I think would be a no

[rotund ember]

Yeah, that'd be fun to watch

But I don't think there is a single Linux device from Powkiddy where they've actually had to even port a firmware to a new chip, let alone make a new one.

So if they wanted to make a Mini clone, that would probably be the way to go about it.

[chilly thicket]

I guess they could do a hardware clone of the miyoo 1:1 parts wise with their own shitty firmware and stock OS on it knowing you’ll just flash the miyoo firmware and onion

[fickle patrol]

V90/Q90/Q20 were miyoo (ie, bittboy/pocketgo) clones

Q36 is a funkey s clone

[rotund ember]

Come to think of it, didn't some of those Miyoo clones actually show the Miyoo logo at boot?

[chilly thicket]

I don’t think they do on stock

That’s the splash for the miyoo CFW

(That you should be using on your v90 as a user)

[fickle patrol]

my v90 came with nxhope stock

was a super early one though so i don't know if they ever changed it

[rotund ember]

Ah, you're right

That's from RGC review for the 2022 black edition

[chilly thicket]

Yeah my v90 that was bought just a few months ago (though not the black edition) came with the NXhope boot logo

[fickle patrol]

which was the open source cfw that steward made for miyoo consoles originally

[chilly thicket]

Was it modified at all?

[fickle patrol]

dunno, maybe for screen compatibility

[chilly thicket]

Most open source licenses let you straight up use that software on your own hardware as long as it isn’t modified (or even if it is as long as you share your modifications)

Like the q36 mini to my knowledge is perfectly compliant

While the RG nano isn’t

Even though they both ship with funkey OS

Well

Not perfectly compliant

Since the q36 mini should’ve come with a license document

But other than that compliant

[fickle patrol]

did they release sources for their modifications then? or is it literally just such an exact clone that they didn't have to modify it

[chilly thicket]

The q36 runs funkey CFW etc all just fine as is

No modifications

While the nano uses different enough parts that it needs its own customized version of funkeyOS (which anbernic should have provided source code for)

Honestly anbernic should’ve just kept it 1:1 compatible like the q36, but maybe the parts were no longer available in their needed quantities

I guess then they couldn’t have done the dumb clock + mp3 player gimmick

Would’ve saved drum some grey hairs though

[rotund ember]

Who?

[chilly thicket]

He makes the CFW for the funkey

He has had a frustrating few weeks dealing with the closed source anbernic fork to make his stuff work on the nano

For what probably would’ve been one day of tinkering if they shared source

And I think it still isn’t 100% (I think to make the usb-c audio work he had to give up the ability to do usb file transfer)

[pale gyro]

anyone watch the show "flipping out with Jeff Lewis?"

[pale gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-worried-emoji-drama-gif-24999384

[tawdry sparrow]

Linus Tech Tips just made a video about it (with other weird phones).

[pale gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-lewis-flipping-out-gif-10897806

[wild flower]

I saw the image of that video today. Made me lol

[hard gate]

I really would love anything in this form factor (that's better than the V90 or whatever). I can't believe there's such a gap between the V90 and the Retroid Pocket Flip.

[chilly thicket]

and the flip isn't even an SP form factor

[subtle mango]

it's a chunk bigger

still very portable

[chilly thicket]

Closer to an OG DS in size though so it’s night and day compared to the v90 or this miyoo

[shell wraith]

Hurry up anbernic

[crimson meteor]

Imagine if that's the rg35xx+

Surprise we were making an SP

[shell wraith]

HURRY UP ANBERNIC

[pale gyro]

hurry up

[fickle patrol]

hurry up data frog

[night raven]

hurry up panasonic

[elfin patrol]

Hurry up Sega

[chilly thicket]

This is one product category I actually want Powkiddy to hurry up on

The v90 is solid for its age and price just need a newer and somewhat higher end version

[night raven]

An SP form factor Android handheld that can play up to Dreamcast N64 and PSP is definitely something I'm interested in and it's weird nobody has made one yet. Fact of the matter though is there's been zero information on this product so it's basically vaporware and I've tucked it away in my mind as something that'll never come out

[chilly thicket]

I think android is gonna require a spec level to compete with other android handhelds that would be prohibitive in terms of fitting a large enough battery/thermal problems

If it’s not a chip used in a 353 or smaller device before there’s probably a reason for that

[night raven]

I would take a t618 at this point, good enough

[chilly thicket]

I think battery life would be pretty bad jamming a t618 into a gba sp shell

Like realistically you aren’t getting more than a 2000mAh battery in there tops (same size as the OG miyoo mini)

While the 405m has a 4500mAh battery

[night raven]

I doubt I'd ever want to play long hours on such a device as long as it can last a good say 3 hours that would be good enough

[jaunty storm]

Really you don't think a 3,000 mah battery would fit I a gba sp form factor?

[chilly thicket]

I dunno, I think it would be pretty tight

The 3000mAh pouch battery in my MM+ is quite a bit bigger than the battery in my v90

And then thermals have to be considered

[jaunty storm]

The funny thing is the ds lite battery is tiny and modern reproduction batteries for it is 2,000 mah

[chilly thicket]

Yeah you can get pretty small 2000 mAh batteries

[night raven]

3000mAh would be plenty

[jaunty storm]

Still waiting on the ds lite shaped miyoo handheld

[night raven]

I'd take the chip used in rp2+

Good enough for ultra portable

[chilly thicket]

Maybe even the one used in the rp2s, it’s a t618 that’s downclocked so in theory it shouldn’t be capable of producing that much heat or battery draw

Still if they could fit a 3000mAh into that shell rather than a 2500 or less that would be impressive

[jaunty storm]

what they need is 2 small 2,000 mah batteries

[chilly thicket]

Personally I would rather just get a PS1 and down chipset in such a small form factor

Once you move up in power I’d rather just move up in size and basically make a better RP flip that’s DS/DS lite sized but hopefully without the dumb giant analog triggers next time (and a hinge that doesn’t self destruct)

Since then I’d want the wide screen for android native games and psp

[rich plover]

to me i think for a form factor like that, saturn and dreamcast are still really nice to have. lots of great 2d games or otherwise arcadey pick up and play experiences on those

but i dont care about past that. i wouldnt want to play ps2 on something in sp form factor yeah. but i do personally think going a little past ps1 is still a pretty good value add

[night raven]

Dreamcast and PSP is nice to have

[night raven]

Powkiddy hurry up (more likely to get one from them over miyoo anytime soon)

[pale gyro]

I love that the “hurry up” meme is real now

[marsh kindle]

Just found out this exists. I am very excited.

[dusty pecan]

welllllll not yet, about "it exists" part

no release date, complete radio silence from miyoo

them having a record of two vaporware devices

[rose pendant]

Also them currently selling jank versions of the Mini.

[chilly thicket]

Yeah that killed any hype I had for this

Honestly done buying handhelds that are brand new until the problems are well documented and hopefully fixed

[marsh kindle]

True! I'm holding out hope though

[elfin patrol]

Yeah ignore the negative Nancy's here

[dark oracle]

anyone reached out to miyoo for information recently?

[chilly thicket]

They just say “debugging”

Same with the a30 or whatever

[night raven]

I have negative faith in miyoo ever releasing this, I just want someone somewhere to make a Game Boy Advance SP style device

[chilly thicket]

v90

But yeah something more up to date with a spec bump would be good

[night raven]

Powkiddy is like the LJN of handheld companies, their best devices are often mediocre with a few flaws and their worst devices well...

[ember jasper]

well, which is better:
Nintendo's worst handheld (Either GBA micro or Virtual Boy depending on how you think about it)
or Powkiddy's best handheld (RGB10S or v90 or x28 or whatever, depending on who you ask)?

[chilly thicket]

I would take the x55, rk2023, v90, q36, rgb10, rgb10max2, rgb20s, and maybe the x28 all over the virtual boy

my list for the gba micro would probably be smaller but the q36, x55, and rk2023 would still be clearly on top

actually I dunno if there is a single powkiddy handheld I would trade away for a virtual boy if I wasn't allowed to then sell the virtual boy afterwards lol

I'd definitely pick the gba micro over any of the weird old powkiddy e-waste products with no CFW like the x51/x39/x17/a20/x70

but anything that runs arkOS/JELOS/FunkeyOS I'd take over the GBA micro

[dusty pecan]

? what do you mean?

also how can anyone literally think gba micro is the second worst nintendo handheld

when it has the best GBA version, compared to literal trash og non-backlit GBA was

vitual boy and old 2ds were easily worst

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I never owned the Micro, but I imagine having a tiny GBA must have been magical at the time

Kinda overshadowed by PSP and DS, but still cool

And yeah, my MM+ should come in a couple of days, really hope I win the QA lottery

[dusty pecan]

ah, quality assurance

miyoo mini was easily the best handheld i had (bc painless OS)

rg35xx isnt as good as mm was

[chilly thicket]

I find the og mini hard to recommend with the screen res nonsense going on, how fragile it is, and the worst shoulder buttons ever. The MM+ is an easy recommend and I basically tell anyone looking to get into handhelds to start there now.

[steep dust]

The word "exists" is doing a lot of heavy lifting right about now

[rose pendant]

Apparently the newest batches of the Mini are using a different chip and screen. The screen uses a different resolution and makes things look odd. That’s what I read in the channel.

[chilly thicket]

Yeah it’s a 750 x 560 screen that is only being fed a 640x480 signal so it’s a little blurry

[potent ivy]

This the actual Mini or the +?

[rose pendant]

Actual Mini.

[potent ivy]

Ok phew

Makes sense with the lack of OG screens

too bad

[dusty pecan]

interesting

like official mini knockoff

[chilly thicket]

yeah the fucking around with the OG mini re-release has downgraded the miyoo flip from a day 1 buy to a "definitely wait for reviews"

for me

[dusty pecan]

reminds me of micro genius famiclones - they were going progressively worse with each revision

and they were 1. literally better than famicom in some regards 2. crazy popular

[potent ivy]

Maybe, the Plus went off fine

[chilly thicket]

Yeah, so now they’re batting 0.500 instead of 1.000 with their current offerings

Which to me says wait for reviews on a third

[dusty pecan]

at this point any gba sp-like device will do

v90 deserves to die peacefully

[potent ivy]

Oh Im no fan of Miyoo and ad definitely not telling people to preorder

[dense oar]

Wym

[potent ivy]

Its what we just talked about

#1101304832276562012 message

[dense oar]

Oh gotcha

[pale gyro]

miyoo trying to take over for powkiddy?

[potent ivy]

Low bar

[pale gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/low-expectations-gif-19977996

[ember jasper]

i was going by sales

o2ds outsold the micro by a ton

9.68m vs 2.42m

w/ the vb at .77m

[flat ginkgo]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[pale gyro]

Any new information?

[grizzled belfry]

What’s Miyoo’s batting average for releasing things they tease so far? 1/3?

[chilly thicket]

Have they actually teased any of the stuff people complain about them not releasing? This one was discovered by somebody trawling through patent documents

[jaunty storm]

Kind of a shame miyoo can't produce a new handheld even if their life depends on it

Would have thought they would have put out a new device at some point by now

[rain vapor]

I just browsed the list of upcoming handhelds on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7Cy4rJQeyusEUzTNQzhoTYTU/htmlview# and the only one i'd buy is the miyoo flip. there's a couple I'd happily accept to review, but I aint excited about anything we know about.

[rotund ember]

It probably doesn't depend on it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Hell, not too long ago I've seen a bag review video on YouTube that talked about the Mini

Their reach still seems to transcend anything on this Discord except for the Steamdeck

[chilly thicket]

The flip is the only upcoming handheld that I think would be a concrete improvement over my existing devices for daily driver status

Since right now I fluctuate between a 353vs (anbernic dpad and shoulder buttons suck, the shoulder shelf in particular makes it significantly less comfortable in my pocket) and the MM+ (just not quite beefy enough, no sticks for games that warrant it like 3D PlayStation platformers)

Miyoo quality controls with a 3566 in a clamshell to be more pocketable than either of the devices I’d be replacing? Yes please.

It would even replace my q36, which is what I keep in my pocket right now when I don’t want something as bulky as the MM+ even

[rotund ember]

Frankly after getting my MM+ I don't know what "miyoo quality control" really means

1. the included screen protector is smaller than the screen, which I heard is just the norm on these
2. the bottom of the screen does not sit 100% firm. If you tap on it, you will hear it kinda clicking against the shell, so it's simply not attached there. So I think after a while it will unglue itself and I'll have to use some double sided tape to attach it properly — much like I've seen in numerous posts on Reddit ever since MM+ came out
3. one of the buttons has an extra dot of paint on it, but this is a small nuisance compared to everything else

I've heard that the screen glue issue was a thing on rg35xx as well, but don't know if it still is

That being said, I really enjoy the coating on the shell (mine is the smoker's DMG color) and the D-pad. Not for the accuracy, but for the tactile feeling

[steep dust]

I think it really JUST means control feel

and nothing else

But I've heard worse things about the MM+ compared to the MM so maybe it was just a bad production in general

[rotund ember]

It really does feel nice in the hands, that's actually my favorite thing about the MM+

[chilly thicket]

the MM+ has a tiny bit of creakiness to it from how they've fitted the screen but I think other than the first batch they haven't been falling out anymore

I keep mine in my pants pocket all day most days

the screen protector unfortunately needs to be too small because of the stupid rounded display glass

I do wish they had the slightly inset screen like the 35xx/353v, makes the screen protector perfect on those

but yeah

the controls on the miyoo are just plain better than my anbernic device despite the anbernic being signifcantly more expensive (353VS)

[rotund ember]

I'm surprised at performance though

I already played a bit of Neo Geo, Sega CD and SNES with rewind on, and haven't had any issues

Like yeah, if you turn on the FPS counter, it won't be 60FPS all the way, but I don't notice slowdowns or (more importantly) sound stuttering

Gradius Galaxies on GBA required switching to gbSP, but even RK3326 needs that

[chilly thicket]

yeah my only real performance complaint with the MM+ has been not amazingly fast 'fast forward'

which does make it a less good JRPG machine for me

[elfin patrol]

Buy a full sized screen protector and you'll see why the included one is smaller. The edges of the screen are curved so a full sized one will have a nice air gap around the entire edge of the protector

The screen in the MM+ only has tape on the top so the bottom does move a little

[rotund ember]

Oh, okay. Yeah, wouldn't realise this is normal

Is there like a plastic tab or anything that's holding the bottom part in place?

[elfin patrol]

you can see some of the tape peaking out up top

[rotund ember]

Ah, so on the bottom there's just nothing to attach the tape to

And the thing that holds the bottom in place is basically the screen cable

[elfin patrol]

No there's a slot in the front

It drops in

[rotund ember]

Ah, got it, thank you!

[chilly thicket]

So it can’t fall out the bottom but isn’t glued on tight either

Just flexes a little when you press on it

That sounds right to me

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I take it back, those are just kinda weird nuisances

[pale gyro]

Still want this

[dark oracle]

don't we all

[hard gate]

I don't want it anymore. I don't even care. So, if Miyoo released it right now, I wouldn't even care at all.

||Reverse psychology.||

[crimson meteor]

It's not coming out, it won't fill a particular niche, it won't be affordable, it will be closed source...

I don't need it

[pale gyro]

MIYOO

ᵏᵉᵉᵖ ᶦᵗ ᵈᵒʷⁿ, ʲᵃʸ

[ripe nacelle]

I would disagree with this because I grew up with a ds lite and the flip form factor mixed with the two led lites on the side gives me huge waves of nostalgia. I have the retroid pocket flip and have been disappointed because of the bad hinge and the USB port only works at a certain angle. This device also has a HDMI port which is one of the reasons I bought the flip. I am hoping that this device has a reliable hinge so I can play Dreamcast and N64 games on my CRT again.

[tawdry sparrow]

"um, actually... "

[ripe nacelle]

Yup I'm a nerd

That's why I'm on this discord server

I'm a retro enthusiast/Nerd

While I was admiring the patent files I noticed this

[tawdry sparrow]

Oh, cmon miyoo..., and how no one noticed yet... 😆

But now, i want a star shaped button for the start button.

[night raven]

This is the only lower power Android device I'm interested in and it will never come out and I'm sad

[rotund ember]

You're just arguing with a joke, sort of

For months now people have been coping with the Miyoo Flip by saying that it won't come out

[ripe nacelle]

So what your saying is people are trying not to get their hopes up.

[rotund ember]

By constantly hanging out in a thread about this device, yes

[ripe nacelle]

Good point

[pale gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-gif-19367699

[ripe nacelle]

Oh no.

I've been exposed

[fallow dawn]

mutated hands made that typo

[crimson meteor]

You disagree with my joke?

[ripe nacelle]

Heh yes

[ripe nacelle]

Nah I'm just as excited as everyone else

[crimson meteor]

I'm just trying to talk myself out of being excited for it tbhlol 😄

[karmic vine]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-josh-wood-coach-josh-gold-star-gold-star-gif-25330659

[pale gyro]

Miyoo is that “X” that makes a bunch of promises so you take them back. Just to found out nothing has changed. Yet, you still feel heartbroken. Like my Mom the cycle continues. ||My Mom married three same guy 3 times||

[raw sentinel]

Dang, hurry up and make this Miyoo

[tawdry sparrow]

Miyoo's answer(real): Nuh-uh

[pale gyro]

Let’s get it started Miyoo

[chilly thicket]

It has been started, we’ve seen prototype shells

[pale gyro]

Wait there. I thought it was just the tender?

[rose pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-happy-surprised-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-gif-5362501

[pale gyro]

Looks like the pi zero SP.

Don’t see any sticks in this picture

[chilly thicket]

pi zero sp has a different indent around the buttons

[pale gyro]

True. Not saying the pic is one. Just looks like one

[chilly thicket]

yeah, the pic does match the render

just can't see the bottom part where the sticks would be

[pale gyro]

I don’t really want sticks on this.

[chilly thicket]

I don’t think I’ll use them myself, except maybe to map right stick to dpad and play rpgs one handed

But being recessed and a clamshell at least they shouldn’t get in the way

[ripe nacelle]

I'm probably going to use them for Dreamcast and N64

Anbernic really needs to make a clam shell

[chilly thicket]

3566 is not really up to my standards for dc or most n64 personally

But then again to make it run on a clamshell I might be willing to tweak and get OoT and MM running

But yeah you ain’t playing rogue squadron on this

[subtle mango]

challenge accepted

[ripe nacelle]

What about jet set

[chilly thicket]

no clue

haven't done much dreamcast on the 3566

[fallow dawn]

the 64-bit Flycast retroarch core basically makes most/all dreamcast playable(leaving out some horrible performance stuff like Q3A) on my r35s(rk3326) at full 640x480.

the 3566 is much stronger, so it should be fine

V-rally is the best dreamcast game to test first since it's open-world rally racing with a high draw distance.

[pale gyro]

I played BK on a 3566 just fine. Sure it will not run all N64 but I would 90% of the games.

[chilly thicket]

BK?

[fickle patrol]

burger king

or banjo kazooie

[chilly thicket]

ooooh

yeah banjo kazooie

sounds good

I have played it on my 353VS as well

a few graphical glitches

mainly on those transition screens where the screen breaks into puzzle pieces and flies away

instead of properly printing the frame to the puzzle pieces they're just black

might just be the core I picked

[fickle patrol]

yeah iirc that effect is quite taxing to emulate properly

so might be something that just has to be sacrificed to get decent performance on these devices

[warm basin]

I read BK as Burger King
I'm too corrupted

[pale gyro]

I had zero errors in game like that.

[chilly thicket]

do you know which core you used?

on the 3566 I usually default to the mupen rice standalone

which I think is a low accuracy high performance core

for BK maybe that's overkill

[pale gyro]

I don't know for sure. I was using a old Jelos build day one build for the 353v. So, whatever core is used in that.

[crimson meteor]

I struggle with that effect in not64 as well.

The Wii most probably has weaker performance than low to mid handhelds nowadays though. Can't even run ps1 properly, but n64 is fine...?

[fickle patrol]

i'd guess there's a house advantage in the company that actually made the n64 writing an emulator for it

plus iirc nintendo's n64 emulators are basically per-game optimised

[crimson meteor]

I'm not sure that not64 is made by nintendo. The virtual console games, certainly.

[fickle patrol]

oh sorry i missed that you were talking about not64

i guess its just a matter of optimisation targeting that specific hardware

[rich plover]

back when i had a hacked wii it struggled pretty hard with some harder games but maybe advancements have been made. the hombrew emu used to be worse than just playing vc versions for some games

i think i was using wii64 tho and not64 is supposed to be better

[dark oracle]

I need this thing to come out already so I can replace two (maybe three) handhelds I own

miyoo mini, rp2+, and maybe rp flip

[vivid crater]

Replacing the Flip with this is like replacing the 3+ with a miyoo mini.

[dark oracle]

I bought the rp flip moreso for the form factor rather than the power

I'm having a blast playing widescreen psx, psp, and some android games on it but I'm willing to give that up in a pocketable size for one less handheld in my collection

[vivid crater]

Funkey 2 smol?

[dark oracle]

funkey 2? there's a 2nd one?

[vivid crater]

Ahem, allow me to rephrase

Funkey too smol?

[chilly thicket]

Yeah I’d replace my MM+, 353vs, and v90 with this if it existed

[dark oracle]

yeah funkey is a novelty handheld

[vivid crater]

Actually, forget I asked that. I paid zero attention to the miyoo mini, as it doesn't seem to exist.

I didn't realise it had a 3.5 inch screen, I was assuming it was way smaller. As that doesn't sound very "mini" to me.

[dark oracle]

oh yeah I have the og miyoo mini

the one with the 2.8" screen

I love this handheld but if it were any smaller it would be a novelty handheld. it already is to some people

[vivid crater]

Oh, I agree, smallest I would go is 3.5inch, 35xx, mini plus, etc.

I'm confused now though. If this thing has the same size screen as the mini plus....why is it not the miyoo mini plus flip?

[fickle patrol]

i don't think it has an official name

[vivid crater]

EVERYTHING I KNEW WAS A LIE

[dark oracle]

yeah the only official name we have right now is the codename which is just "Miyoo 355" according to patent documents

[fickle patrol]

yeah and all their patents have similar codenames which they never actually use for release

incidentally their code-numbers use a similar scheme to anbernic so 35 is the screen size ie 3.5 inch. but the last number just seems to be sequential, it doesnt indicate the chipset

[chilly thicket]

yeah who knows what they'll call this

this is supposedly a different SoC than the MM(+) so probably not miyoo mini SP or anything

[vivid crater]

I'm actually more interested in this than I was when I thought it was smaller. A clamshell with a 2S/35XX sized screen? Sounds borderline useable.

[ripe nacelle]

Same

[ripe nacelle]

Also same

[pale gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/where-melody-pedras-dina-shihabi-archive81-what-spot-gif-24970798

[lilac coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[pale gyro]

we need you flip

[crimson meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/some-people-were-still-skeptical-mr-sujano-some-people-were-still-doubtful-some-people-dont-believe-in-that-some-people-are-not-convinced-gif-26278957

[pale gyro]

Only flip can save us

[ember jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-sooning-soontm-midsizedonkey7-nowhere-gif-12050318

[native flame]

WHERE IS IT

[empty sandal]

I want this thing and I want it now!

[neat prism]

If I don't get this soon I'm gonna flip out

[ripe nacelle]

I see what you did there

[crimson meteor]

Hmmm

[chilly thicket]

there we go, I was sure we'd seen the rest of that shell before but my google fu came up blank

still mad this is 4:3

instead of 3:2

[zenith root]

same, it was the perfect opportunity for the definitive GBA machine

at least the scaling won't be as bad as it is on the V90

[elder violet]

Oh is a prototype out already?

[tawdry sparrow]

This was about 3 months ago...and still nothing...

[chilly thicket]

Tbf this product has not been announced at miyoo at all

Just some leaked prototype shots and people trawling patent applications

[willow dust]

just thinking if there will be any video output
its seems v90 will have video out in the MiyooCFW 2.0??

[last orchid]

Miyoo horizontal/A30 got much further than this (even videos of what seemed to be finished device) and it's still nowhere, not even announced, so I'd not get my hopes up...

[pale gyro]

Miyoo! is this real. Blink once for yes.

[tawdry obsidian]

They keep saying it's real, but they also insist the P60 is coming eventually as well

[ember jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-sooning-soontm-midsizedonkey7-nowhere-gif-12050318

[chilly thicket]

The p60 I’m actually interested in still

Not a lot of options that compact for android

[tawdry obsidian]

I don't like compact android

Want a bigger screen for touch input

[empty sandal]

Damn them for dragging their feet and teasing the hell out of me.

[last orchid]

imo there is also lack of a decent 3" horizontal handhled (with good chip and not monster bezels like Q90 )

[chilly thicket]

Give me 3” 720x480

Somebody

Anybody

That screen, no sticks, candy bar. The real miyoo mini killer

[last orchid]

No, give it to me first 😂 But seriously. Rg300x is big for the screen (plus incredibly dim). Q90 monster bezels, mediocre chip, rg280m is aging and heavy(metal), what else.. The smallest after that is og rgb10 maybe? And that is a big jump...

[chilly thicket]

yeah there's not a lot of small handhelds these days

[jaunty lava]

I still don't understand why they don't release the P60? But I wanted it like two years ago. But this flip also looks cool. Just release them.

[chilly thicket]

the wild thing with the p60 is that its still relevent today if they can get the price right

its a roughly equivalent chip to the t618 performance wise (maybe a touch weaker but shouldn't matter outside of a few gc/ps2 games)

and the p60 would be the smallest most pocketable 16:9 device I'm aware of while actually being able to play psp

[fallow dawn]

Nah. We have the rp2s. No point

they created a market window, missed it, and someone else filled people's expectations

[chilly thicket]

the p60 is a widescreen

and pocketable

the 2s is 640x480 and not

not even close to being equivalent products

actually the supposed leaked res puts it at 5:3 but you know what I mean

if they're actually able to do an 800x480 4" screen in a sleek pocketable candybar format and it runs PSP it'll be great

[last orchid]

Even price can get itself right over time, but it never will if they don't release it already. Even for higher price it would still find many buyers!

[pale gyro]

what is this mythical handheld you speak of?

[chilly thicket]

It definitely does not currently exist - just wishing it did and not understanding how the rp2s could possibly be a substitute lol

[jaunty storm]

how does 520g compare to other handhelds?

like a odin, switch lite, switch, and the steam deck

[chilly thicket]

Steam deck is like 660?

[visual igloo]

cool color names for this handheld i think are

birthday cake (default)
crimson red
azure blue
golden yellow
charcoal grey
electric indigo

[empty sandal]

Does birthday cake color resemble the render?

[potent ivy]

Just a reminder to anyone who doesn't know, those colors are just there to show what parts are different, that's not an actual color scheme

It's a patent thing

[chilly thicket]

I would buy that patent colourway though

[worthy kettle]

same

[night raven]

bro just destroyed everyones hopes n dreams

[tawdry sparrow]

Noooo, i wont accept this... this, this just cant be true...

[potent ivy]

[visual igloo]

yes

[empty sandal]

That's what I figured, but I was hoping with such an odd color name as birthday cake that they would surprise us 🤣

[chilly thicket]

It should come with little sprinkle stickers

A little candle sticker where the power LED is the flame

[lean ridge]

As someone who used to own a phone that has a helio p70 (which is actually just a slightly faster p60), I can tell you it's not just a touch weaker, it is weaker by a fairly decent margin

But hopefully the strides in development for Dolphin and its forks and as well as Aether should allow it to do better than expected (but still way weaker than the t618)

[chilly thicket]

I mean personally I don’t really care if it’s worse for GC/PS2 as long as it can still do 1x psp as full speed across all of the library (or even all of the library minus like 3 of the most demanding games)

[ember jasper]

how can you say the rp2s isn't pocketable?
the switch lite is bigger and i pocket that easy

[chilly thicket]

I wouldn't pocket a switch lite either

[worthy kettle]

"pocketability" is a measurement i always find funny, when i watch retro game corp and his pockets are like at least 3 times the size of mine 😂

[chilly thicket]

For me I have fairly large pockets footprint wise but a device covered in protruding sticks and triggers is never going to be pocketable

While a device with recessed sticks and inline shoulders can be up to vita sized and still be pocketable personally

For example - I find the max 3 more pocketable than the 353vs because despite the bigger footprint it’s flat and thin

Though the max 3 is pushing it. Any longer/wider and it would stick out of my jeans pocket

[jaunty storm]

Any news on this handheld yet?

[elfin patrol]

Nope

None from Miyoo at least

#1101304832276562012 message
There's this photo

[last orchid]

I can see it when it finally arrives people just storming the store and it will be MM all over again..

[subtle mango]

it depends if Miyoo can get it out in a timely manner

[visual igloo]

could we discuss what to expect given the button layout and what exact chipset could it have possibly? there is really nothing like this in a gba clamshell size with so much controls

[raw sentinel]

I really wish they’d give us an official status update on this

[visual igloo]

i’m thinking RK3326 chip or any rock chip. i’d drop my oem gba sp for this handheld if we get smooth gameplay with n64, dreamcast and ps1 games

[night raven]

id like confirmation this thing is even going to exist, pretty sure its just leaked patents and people getting hyped and theorizing

[tawdry obsidian]

People have messaged Miyoo and they've claimed it's happening

[night raven]

hmmm ok

[ripe nacelle]

Isn't that what happened with the p60 though?

[chilly thicket]

If you ask they’re still making that one too lol

[dusty pecan]

I think it was rumoured to have a 3566

[dusty pecan]

If you ask them they still claim to release the p60 in the future 😅

[chilly thicket]

I hope they do tbh

it looks like a good shell

800x480 5:3

super pocketable

[dusty pecan]

still likely 1.5 years since it hits the market, if only

[ripe nacelle]

*sigh

I wish you weren't right

[subtle mango]

Their prototype labs are just a supply closet with some better lighting

[last orchid]

Well they are doing a pretty good job considering the videos of P60 and the smaller horizontal I forgot the name of...

[chilly thicket]

Oh the m30 or whatever

[last orchid]

I don't understand how you can bring the prototypes to such an advance phase when it looks mostly done and production like and then just bury it..

[subtle mango]

If it's the one that's a MM but a horizontal, miyoo is just praying to find a new source of 2.8 inch screens

[chilly thicket]

I don’t see the appeal of that one at all

Lets take a MM but make it horizontal and then add a stick nobody asked for

If they dropped the stick and made it just a tiny bit wider they could put a 3” 720x480 screen in there and I’d be all over it

[subtle mango]

I mean a horizontal MM would instantly have better ergonomics

[chilly thicket]

true, but I feel like the plus kinda fills that niche? I got an OG mini specifically because it was narrow enough to play RPGs one handed

its my SNES RPG backlog destroyer

[subtle mango]

The plus just allows for that same nostalgic shape but not be limited by the screen

if I had the A30 or whatever it was supposed to be called, I'd probably use it more for RPGs

I loved the form factor of the RG280M but the metalness of it made it uncomfortable

[jaunty storm]

I wonder why no retro handheld use those new gba upgrade screens

[chilly thicket]

I would love it if I could get anything decent with one of those 720x480 3" guys

stick that on a stickless tiny candy bar handheld and I'm sold

[subtle mango]

Can't get them cheap enough for the amount they'd use

that's my guess

[chilly thicket]

they wouldn't be buying the assembled kits, just going straight to whoever it making the actual screen in those kits and getting their own package

which is probably a digital camera screen anyway that just happens to work in a GBA

since there's no shot that GBA upgrade screens are getting a custom LCD

and digital camera view screens are the only source I can think of for mass produced appropriately sized 3:2 screens

[subtle mango]

are cameras being produced that much anymore?

[chilly thicket]

yeah

in fact I think they're having an odd rennaisance

[jaunty storm]

I mean Sony still make alot of cameras

They can be alright web cams

[subtle mango]

I just got the cheap webcams from Walmart and they work for what I need them to do

especially so when I get my 3D printer setup going and need a print cam

[jaunty storm]

Well guess it depends if 720p or 1080p is sufficient for you, some people want 4k

[subtle mango]

1440P is what I got with the two I got

[jaunty storm]

I think the tech youtubers tend to use Sony cameras like dlsrs as webcameras

[subtle mango]

I mean Tech youtubers are trying to maximize everything most of the time

[jaunty storm]

That is correct

[subtle mango]

and then people who try and pursue this as a hobby or get started get discouraged because they don't have the biggest bestest shits

[empty sandal]

Ok I'm just going to have to give miyoo a call. I need this now.

[subtle mango]

they'll deny it's existance

[ripe nacelle]

Wait why haven't I heard of this yet?

Oh wait...

What's the difference between the miyoo p60 and the m30?

[chilly thicket]

p60 = android (mediatek p60) 800x480 5:3 4" horizontal

m30 = linux (this is assumed, might not be true - they showed a saturn game running on it but the fps was not great so it might be a 3566?) 2.8" 640x480 4:3 horizontal

[raw sentinel]

So how did it go? I’m about to pass out from holding my breath

[last orchid]

I like horizontals more, it's more comfortable to hold for me. And I would like to have something really pocketable of Trimui Smart size but with 2.8-3" screen, which this A30 seems to fullfill. I mean if the trimui smart had 2.8 ( sort of dingoo A320 evolution) I would probably only need 2 devices (that and something much bigger)

[last orchid]

wait, that's actually a great idea, those screens are around, I put one into my modified GBA. So they could drop it into Powkiddy A30 body (yes, also A30, but this one is a weak gba clone) together with better chip and decent price and it would be bonkers!

[empty sandal]

Lol I forgot I don't speak Chinese 😁

[raw sentinel]

go download a legal copy of Chinese, and make sure you get the right BIOS too.

[empty sandal]

Lmfao

[pale gyro]

do we have other infor beside this same pic over and over again.

[chilly thicket]

No, Miyoo has not even announced the device

Just a leaked photo and patent trawling

[empty sandal]

The damn thing is going to have a 6800U in it by the time it releases. The chip will be so old.

🥁

[chilly thicket]

If it’s a 3566 as rumoured they’ll have to wait another two years for it to be as obsolete as the chip they’re using now in the MM+

[winged bear]

if they release it in two years for 60 bucks and a 3566 i won't complain

[subtle mango]

yeah

if the price is right the 3566 is perfectly fine

[ripe nacelle]

When do you think anbernic will release their first clamshell

[winged bear]

i don't think they will make one tbh, dunno why i think this

maybe because i think of anbernic as really pragmatic

[ripe nacelle]

Yeah ur right.

They've been making chocolate bars for a while now

Idk

[winged bear]

they are in a quirky moment right now so who knows

[chilly thicket]

I wish they would

[ripe nacelle]

It would be nice to have a available clamshell with anbernic's build quality and competitive pricing.

An*

[winged bear]

i think they saw the rp flip hinge drama and that turned them off

[chilly thicket]

I think with the added power/thermal demand of higher end chips clamshells are gonna be the only way anything more powerful than a t618 fits in my pocket

[ripe nacelle]

Good point

[chilly thicket]

And for me if it doesn’t fit in my pocket I may as well use x86 imo

I realize that doesn’t apply to everyone

[winged bear]

they would also need sliders that they've never used, unless they did an rg35xx class clamshell

[chilly thicket]

You can definitely do recessed sticks instead of sliders

The x18s uses recessed sticks, the mini flip render is recessed sticks

[winged bear]

i'd be happy with that, yeah

maybe the small vita sticks like the trimui

[chilly thicket]

I just hope someone uses the extra real estate of a clamshell to do 6 action buttons for sega and n64

And arcade

[winged bear]

i guess they will say what the rg arc soon

[chilly thicket]

That would be wild if it were a clamshell

[ripe nacelle]

I kinda like sliders tbh

[winged bear]

well, you could call the powkiddy a13 a clamshell

[chilly thicket]

Yeah, I would love an a14

But it definitely wouldn’t be pocketable

It would just be me finally giving up on believing I’ll take the time to build an arcade cab

[ripe nacelle]

I grew up on a 3ds so I was super excited about the original aya flip

[karmic vine]

Does anyone really make a good clamshell? Doesn't the RP flip have issues with the hinge?

I feel like adding moving parts is just a QC nightmare, and these companies aren't big enough to really rigorously test them.

[winged bear]

apparently rp flip hinge issues are fixed now with improved plastic

[karmic vine]

Oh that's good to hear. I'm kinda thinking about getting a t618 device, and I'm one of the weird people who likes sliders.

[elfin patrol]

They also added some support to the hinge as well

[rotund ember]

Found on another Discord, kinda love it

[twilit sun]

So the aya flip is vapor?

And not a ton of updates about the 355 eh?

[winged bear]

i think the aya will release but right now it looks like a flop

doesn't look appealing at all compared to a gpd

[ripe nacelle]

Yes

The best one so far is the powkiddy v90 imo

I have the retroid pocket flip and it's a mess

The hinge is all over the place

[winged bear]

does anyone know if the x18 ever had hinge issues?

that would be insteresting, being powkiddy

[chilly thicket]

I don’t believe it has had hinge issues

Powkiddy seems to know how to make a good hinge

[winged bear]

damn, powkiddy pls make flippy 3566

with rgb30 screen

thanks

[chilly thicket]

Beeg sp

[winged bear]

basically a cd jewel case

[chilly thicket]

Lol not quite

Those were 5.6” x 5” - equivalent to a 7.5” diagonal

So if they did make a cd jewel case handheld with a 1:1 that could probably go up to a 6.5” screen

[winged bear]

aw man now i kinda wanna play on that

would be really bottom heavy so it wouldn't feel weird

[ripe nacelle]

Do you know why anyone hasn't implemented rca out through the headphone jack?

[chilly thicket]

Probably because nobody has screens that accept rca in anymore

[ripe nacelle]

Hih

[chilly thicket]

Or are you just looking for rca audio?

[ripe nacelle]

*huh

[chilly thicket]

At which point 3.5mm to rca cables exist and don’t require the hardware to explicitly support them

I assumed you meant rca video

[ripe nacelle]

Well cfw 2.0 for the v90 is supposed to have video out through the headphone jack

[chilly thicket]

Yeah I have no idea why the firmware devs would bother with getting that working

But it’s technically supported by whatever ancient chip is in there

[ripe nacelle]

It would make it soooo easy to connect to a crt

No adapter and no finicky HDMI port

[chilly thicket]

I doubt the $35 handheld with no support for external controllers is gonna see a lot of crt action

[ripe nacelle]

It will for me

Anything that seamless is a win 4 ne

*me

[chilly thicket]

Have you looked at the mister fpga?

[ripe nacelle]

I haven't heard of it

But I'll look into it

Eh...

I for the price I would like some Dreamcast

It seems kinda expensive

[winged bear]

fpga gaming is always pricey

[ripe nacelle]

Yeah and I didn't see rca

[chilly thicket]

there's an analogue I/O board for it that uses VGA

[ripe nacelle]

Plus I like the idea of using the same handheld I use on the go for gaming at home

[chilly thicket]

I think hdmi with a dongle for your CRT on a nicer handheld that also allows you to use other controllers is probably gonna be a better experience

the v90 is ancient at this point

can't even do all snes games full speed

[twilit sun]

This flip cant come out soon enough. My extra dream is for it to be a little rugged (can take a bump or two)

[karmic vine]

I suspect it's somewhat due to the size. Smaller device needs a less robust hinge, but they also have a very chonky design, so could make the hinge pretty big

[rotund ember]

Raspberry Pi does that

[sacred wren]

Precisely! I got a froggy sf2000 for this purpose but it can’t even play NES at full speed 🤦‍♂️

[rotund ember]

And I think Xbox 360 used to do it in some revisions, because the Xbox adapters are mentioned in some manuals on how to get analogue video from RPi's audio jack

[chilly thicket]

The x18 hinge apparently is good too though and that’s even larger than the flip one

[ripe nacelle]

I have a pi 4 so I'll have to try that

[rotund ember]

https://wiki.batocera.org/batocera-and-crt#a_v_composite_cable_raspberry_pi

[ripe nacelle]

Daaaaang

[empty sandal]

Idk where you got your 🐸 because mine emulates PS3 at 4x resolution and it plays so well I don't even need a second thumbstick.

😉

[sacred wren]

I probably got the 4bit version instead of the 4k.. damnit 🫠

[tawdry sparrow]

Now, we need to spam powkiddy channels too, to make a new (and better, stronger) clamshell, (with inline shoulder buttons imo); and a 1:1 screen would be interesting, maybe RGB30F.

[empty sandal]

Lol it's ok we can download additional pixels now 👍😁

❤️🍻

[last orchid]

You could still use something like LDK. Not clamshell but has around the same power as V90, no screentearing, with RetroFW2.0 runs pretty well, and has TV out over rca/3,5mm jack... And you can definitely use it for playing in ghe train, 2,6" is not that small... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005812792141.html

[last orchid]

It emulates so well you don't even need a screen!

[empty sandal]

I love my data frog 🐸

[last orchid]

I wish I could say the same, but my eyes got burned out from the inability to regulate brightness intensity... 😀 Something I think it needs even more than cfw...

[karmic vine]

Data clam when?

[raw sentinel]

ohhhh data clam! love it~

[tawdry sparrow]

This means MM Flip may come out this year? Hope we can get it for Halloween or something.

[night raven]

God I hope so, this is the only other Android device besides Odin 2 that I'm interested in

I would probably load this thing up with nes, sms, genesis, snes, gameboy and gameboy color and gameboy advance, probably the entire library because why not. Then I would load up a whole bunch of ROM hacks. I probably wouldn't put any 3D systems on here and leave that to my Odin.

Maybe ps1

[dark oracle]

ps1 all the way for me

except for the games that look way better widescreen hacked

but there aren't a lot of those

[night raven]

Yeah I would probably just put a few PS1 games, whatever I can fit on a 1 TB SD card. If I did that I'd have to handpick the other libraries I wouldn't want to waste space with shovelware

[dark oracle]

1 tb might be a bit overkill haha

[night raven]

Basically I would only want a 1 TB SD card with this thing I wouldn't want to use multiple SD cards that would defeat the purpose of being portable, so whatever I can fit on there

[dark oracle]

I like how you responded quickly like you knew what I was gonna say 😆

[night raven]

Yeah just to clarify I mean one terabyte for all the games, not just PS1

[dark oracle]

I see, even so I'm thinking disc based systems beyond PS1 is where rk3566 would start to struggle anyway

I managed to fit around 100 ps1 games on a 64gb card for my miyoo mini and that includes a bunch of multi disc games

[night raven]

This thing would be perfect for PS1 and under, even if it could play more I'm not sure I would on such a cramped form factor. You really want to play games where you can jump in and have a good time in like 15 minutes or so

Hopefully soon we get affordable 2 TB SD cards

[chilly thicket]

Yeah there are some N64/DC/PSP/Saturn games that can run well on a 3566 but it’s a lot pickier

[night raven]

Saturn would be really cool on this, but I hear it's one of the more demanding emulators

[dark oracle]

yup it sure is

[still belfry]

each time I see this thread get 30+ new posts, I get hopeful again 🥹

[night raven]

Haha same, people really want this device

[dark oracle]

finally we have something to be hopeful about this time around

or maybe not because nittrx is the new cn_play

[chilly thicket]

Honestly I dunno if I care that much about this anymore - I’m kinda over the 3.5” 640x480 screen and I have no concerns pocketing my existing handhelds - I kinda got over feeling like I need a clamshell for that

[still belfry]

cn_play was such a troll

[chilly thicket]

A gba sp clone should have a screen that integer scales gba

[still belfry]

true, a 3.5" VGA screen is nothing special. Would be amazing if it can be a little bit higher res

[chilly thicket]

720x480 even would be just as good for everything that is good on 640x480 while also integer scaling gba

[dark oracle]

totally get it. as for me I'm getting this to replace other pocketable handhelds I have

[chilly thicket]

If it’s gonna be 4:3 960x720 integer scales an absolute crapload of stuff

[dark oracle]

the miyoo mini is still the handheld I use the most so it would be perfect for me to get a handheld close enough to its dimensions

[chilly thicket]

Basically anything the 3566 runs well integer scales to 960x720