Sony PlayStation Portal (Discuss in #sony channel)

[harsh oriole]

I think people expecting to put anything in it that way better start by working on an IRL Bag of holding

Because you ain’t getting really anything of power in the backend of the Portal

It’s way too thin to hold anything but the bare minimum it does

unless you plan on giving it a wart or stuff

But I feel like that type of mod would make a device most people see as stupid already look like the smartest product on the planet in hindsight lol

[subtle pebble]

This device would be perfect for browsing Dreams.

Too man people don’t understand just an accessory .

People who have no intention of even buying a PS5, same as PSVR2 on PC mod, they just want the cheap goods but say screw that if it means needing a PS5.

It is like a grand version of this.

Way better versions of back buttons existed well well before Sony launched this one, and they even were less bulky. But Sony made theirs anyway.

Also not forgetting their other niche products like this one for the disabled,

Even something like the PS5 Camera too.

Nice product for niche needs.

[jagged estuary]

Could you link an example? I bought whole DS4 and DSS conversion kits, because they help prevent cramping pains from playing claw, but the one I tried to build ended up disabling my DS4 controller.

I just played the Resident Evil VILLage Cloud demo on the Switch Lite… Verizon FiOS… the graphics looked good, BUT it was really hard to aim because it would almost always overshoot. I experienced practically the same with Sony’s first-party Remote Play app (just found out about MirrorPlay for iOS, haven’t tested it properly yet). So IF the Portal plays like those examples, you wouldn’t want to play any precision games on it (FPS genre, platformers like Celeste, racing games).

However… in the past, I played a demo of Crysis II on the GaiKai service (waaaay long ago, GaiKai was purchased by Sony!), and The Witcher II and Sniper 4 on GeForce NOW, and on those two services I found the FPS and action games to feel entirely playable 99% of the time. So here’s hoping the Portal “Feels” like that!

[harsh oriole]

MirrorPlay is pretty damn nice, if for no other reason than the ability to force bitrates,and lock the stream to 360/540/720/1080p + 30/60 fps on PS4 Pro/PS5

It’s the same person who developed PSPlay for Android, but it had to be de-branded to deal with Apple’s Stupid App Store Policies

(Hence the MirrorPlay naming and bordering-on-parodical face buttons on the app icon)

[subtle pebble]

I have used Rise and Dawn the extreme rate ones on PS4 and PS5…they both come in two button or 4 button. Now DataFrog sells some too but they have macros which is a no no if you want to be fair in Speedruns and competition and I think some games can detect macro use.

I also have had one fail on me but my fault and uninstalled it.

Which one did you have trouble with?

Also the front mic of the PS5 controller usually just breaks off but who needs that anyway 🤣

They are a little tricky to install you need to know where to fold the and what piece to cut off depending on model number of controller.

Actually wait a minute. I asked EXtremeRate and they have a new model dropping for PS5 very soon.

It is the same as this one their newest on Xbox.

But this is one I had on my controller till I borked it.

New ones dropping for Sony will be like this

And the Data Frog ones are seem okay, but they have macros so is cheating if you use them.

And this was my PS4 eXtremeRate ones. Ignore the battery pack.

[jagged estuary]

You ASKED? my hero!

Honest admission time: I got an Extremerate full shell conversion for my DS4… I forget which model, but it changed the ergonomics too and I was pretty excited about it. The controller worked before I started on it too, and I took photos of my entire process in the hopes of making a video discussing the process. But… no signs of power once I got it put together. I used to repair Apple phones (followed their training), so I thought I was pretty meticulous and careful, but when I failed I was too embarrassed to follow up on it.

But their products are really cool. I am sad my sample is broken, but I don’t know how I would prove the Extremerate was defective since I can’t undo it now.

[serene dew]

https://youtu.be/myo05m_-03o?si=1RUnN8vgt4zQUDDr

Sam should annihilate some more handhelds

[dim maple]

I used to watch him so much, I forgot he existed

[subtle pebble]

This is what I mean about media putting PlayStation into people’s minds with this seemingly mediocre product just before Starfield drops, good or bad they love the attention. PlayStation 4D Chess moves.

Also do you notice a literal starfield in Sony’s promo images? 🤣 it’s obvious what they’re doing.

A portal to the stars, but what might that be 🤔 what else is trending, yes it’s No Man’s Sky’s newest update and the biggest advancement for PSVR2 ever for the game which you need a PS5 to also play.

[jagged estuary]

No Man’s Sly

[jagged estuary]

I think this happened with all my subscribers 😂

[vernal shard]

Most of the time the more I look at a handheld it will grow on me a little. Not with this one.

[rain rock]

Soo....is anyone here actually going to buy this?

Not in a maybe if I see it on sale later sort of way. But for full price?

[warm atlas]

If I had a PS5 I would tbh. At this point I'm going to wait till they release a decent bundle with a PS5 and this together.

[sour zodiac]

i think that depends on screen quality and if they do anything to improve the streaming experience

i can do chiaki on steam deck which has the pro of having back buttons, but the screens not great and the streaming quality is so-so

the backbones seemed decently successful at $100 and if you got that just for remote play then this for $200 seems reasonable

[sour zodiac]

all of their color options are space themed

nova pink, cosmic red, midnight black (guess thats sky themed), galactic purple, starlight blue

also similar sorta sparkly star stuff that the UI generally has

[jagged estuary]

That’s what I thought too… I’ve had a galactic purple since before Microsoft acquired Bethesda.

[subtle pebble]

I call the PS5 theme brown…was a bit disappointed in it at first.

PlayStation also has PS Stars collectible system now. And I guess Astro Bot😅

If you factor in it’s a legit spare controller too, that is almost half the price of 200 value for a controller. Not sure you could only play with the Portal as your main controller and be happy about it being so wide, but it’s possible, could even (same as PSVR2) probably not even have the PS5 connected to any TV and that is your only screen.

[silent silo]

Launching November 15th, according to a video Sony just posted: https://youtu.be/NmgOWKQj5-Y?si=QSnsx0Nb52QK__RP

[harsh oriole]

Yep.

[calm atlas]

so we got a price and release date now but do people here care enough about this for a channel?

seems like it would be an obscure device to me

which seems weird considering this is coming from a big company but this is more of an accessory than a handheld after all

[summer phoenix]

There’s already the #841722663960707143 channel

Maybe just leave this thread up until it’s actually in consumer hands then if it gets modding instead of just using it as a ps5 controller it should probably get a real channel under corpo console

But if it’s just a PS5 controller and nothing else I doubt there will be enough discussion separate from PS5 discussion in #841722663960707143 to warrant a thread, let alone a channel

[silent silo]

Yeah, it can't hurt to keep this thread up until then, just on the off chance the specs surprise us all and there's a way to turn it into something decent. I'm not expecting it, but maybe it'll be a pleasant surprise for once.

Like, I'm sure we'll know before it releases what the specs are, and that'll tell us all we need to know.

[harsh oriole]

It's marketed and advertised as an Accessory, and the leaks we got a few weeks ago point to a nearly empty internal footprint, I doubt there's much at all to mod.

So yeah,
Pre-launch: leave this up.
Post-launch/when more info on the hardware shows up: discussion can migrate to #841722663960707143.

[jagged estuary]

Makes me think that the PlayStation Classic wasn’t all that bad of a device… Sony probably secured their computer chips and started designing well in advance of launch, and they knew that PAL rom versions would run at full speed on the old version of the PlayStation emulator they were using. They might have started designing it when they heard of the Nintendo Classic.

PSC ended up being my first experience with emulation (besides Bleem!) 😂

[analog siren]

The PS Portal is up for pre-order for $199 (ships Nov 15)

https://retrohandhelds.link/PS_Portal

[timid ether]

ehm

[cinder owl]

Bro

Wut

[calm wind]

Are you buying one?

With it costing $250 here, it's an even tougher sale. I decided to skip it because of the anticonsumer practice of removing Bluetooth.

[analog siren]

Yeah but I'm not happy about it 😂

[zenith venture]

41 screws lol

[subtle pebble]

yeah so many screws hey. I just pull the fan out and vacuum that and the dust ports if it needs a clean.

[bleak vale]

Yep I took it apart 3 times

To do the liquid metal replacement

[subtle pebble]

Portal Max

[jagged estuary]

Heh, you’re right!

[dry crescent]

Wake me up when they attach a dual sense to the sides

[calm wind]

The excitement for this device is staggering

I wonder if they'll sell half a million units, my bet is a no

[dry crescent]

Here’s hoping for firesale where they’re cheaper than standard Dualsenses

[subtle pebble]

Imagine using one with a broken screen as your main controller.

Keen to see people turn it into two one handed controllers.

Basically what I thought the PSVR2 controllers were going to be.

[dry crescent]

People will deny it, but Wii U pad was one of the greatest controllers of all time. That width just does something.

[jagged estuary]

Never tried it 🤷‍♂️ My main concern would be holding something with more weight

And you know there’s a false correlation between a console being successful and having a small controller!

[subtle pebble]

I had a PS4 controller I removed the rumble weights from was so light.

[jagged estuary]

Yeah... I imagine a controller with the linear haptic engine from an iPhone would be much lighter than the rotating "rumble packs" in the DS4 and older + all Xbox controllers with rumble.

Come to think of it... did the Xbox 360 support rumble? Like, at all?

It's been awhile since I used the controller 😅

[calm wind]

Yep

[heavy pumice]

360 controller has pretty strong rumble

[subtle pebble]

The new Xbox controller is going to use the rumble for speakers too. PS5 could do this but has the actual speaker instead.

Actually works great on cyberpunk some things use the speaker but I wonder why they did not utilise the lights on the controller as well.

[ancient kindle]

Nobody is watching the controller while playing. At least I am focusing on the screen. Every lightshow drains the battery even more.

[subtle pebble]

I may watch my controller when it is immersive…you don’t need to look at it anyway. It can be out of side vision or reflecting on TV itself. Cyberpunk could have done well. The moment the speaker sounds is simply electronic buzzing and stuff too it’s subtle but cool detail.

Something like a electronic light show during the electronic buzzing I envision. The controller itself is our connect to the technological side of a cyberpunk gadget in a way.

The red and blue flashing during police cases in GTAV is another cool one and n a dark room would have subtle effect on a reflection and surrounding area you do not need to look at the controller.

I think Borderlands games like 3 matches weapon manufacturer colour with light on the controller.

Another great small detail I love for games not everyone will use is when the devs add music to the menu when highlighting the game.

That said this Portal device will be in your hand and you will be looking at it. So the lights could be even more additional factor of small value to gameplay enjoyment. The devs themselves need to program it though.

[ancient kindle]

True. For the portal I am with you.

[jagged estuary]

Firmly under “speculation,” and it would pretty much doom the Q, but how many would Sony have sold anyway? How often was the Vita used to stream PS4 vs play native/local games? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mzfpG3GqDoc

[subtle pebble]

All I know is that Twitter account always mocks up fake images.

Twitter now has a monetisation program so many accounts go brrr with spam.

[serene dew]

Potential early talk

2030 here we go

They saw the xbox handheld wasnt funded lol

[subtle pebble]

Just discovered cyberpunk does this too.

[jagged estuary]

I was honestly disappointed more games didn't take advantage of the DS4 trackpad, or the pretty good gyroscope that's been in Sony's controllers since the PS3. Some games use the left and right sides as different buttons, and of course you can use the trackpad (and gyro) for typing, but I guess other devs looked at the last Killzone game and decided it was a gimmick not present on other consoles.

[subtle pebble]

Which game was it where you swipe up to throw the grenades was that Killzone ShadowFall?

[fierce quail]

https://www.minigamecore.com/handheld-game-consoles/project-x-handheld-game-console-4-3-inch-screen-mp5-player

[warm atlas]

Playtsation Portal 'hold my beer' version

[fierce quail]

Same chip as the Powkiddy x39

[jagged estuary]

Ayoo, it even has HDMI output XD
It’s a bit more compact too. But it doesn’t seem to have Android, so I doubt it can stream PS5

[subtle pebble]

PolyStation Potty

[late jacinth]

Sony Playstation Portal Mini Pro

(pro, because it can emulate, the non-pro versions cant emulate)

[vast gate]

Canadians, here you go: https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/09/29/sony-playstation-portal-handheld-269-dollar-pricetag-pre-orders-live/

I ordered through Best Buy personally.

[summer phoenix]

$269 CAD is not that bad but I still think this is pretty niche

[blazing steeple]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJT5DJ16?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_49B6BK5MW84R2C4KXDB4 up on amazon too

[bleak vale]

almost half the price of a gcloud

makes it much more compelling

[wide portal]

Except it only streams PS5

[jagged estuary]

Did you feel like you had to?

I guess you might be able to write it off as a business expense

[vast gate]

Review, return

Or I have a friend that wants it

[jagged estuary]

Ah, good thinking!

Sorry if my reply made your phone ping in the night 😣

[subtle pebble]

Technically that includes PS4, PS2 classics etc.

Word is we may see PS3 emulated games on 5 but not sure.

[jagged estuary]

Does it though? Unless a game was remastered and ported to PS4/5, it would need to be cloud streamed from PlayStation Plus Premium (or whatever that tier is called), and the Portal product description explicitly states it won’t do that. The games have to be installed and running off your PS5.

Don’t ask me WHYYYYY, lol, cuz I don’t know.

[subtle pebble]

Plenty of emulated PlayStation 2 games can be bought on PS4/5, no streaming needed. (Some PS1 ad PSP too)

I guess they are ported, but they are just emulated with no changes really all the Jak and Daxter games for instance.

[balmy lotus]

You still need a ps5 console. PS portal is not a standalone device to play sony games. I do not see a lot of hype for this.

[subtle pebble]

I know, it is clearly advertised everywhere as a “remote player”

As someone who owns and only really games on a PS5 it seems fine by me, but I will not be buying one though, maybe in future preowned.

It’s not meant to be hyped either I imagine.

Is anyone hyped about the new earbuds, or that 300 dollar Edge controller, probably even less.

They’re kind of literal props to support PS5 console, sadly seemingly similar to PSVR2, which I own and just play Synth Riders on it.

[jagged estuary]

I'm actually pretty hyped about the new Playstation heaphones. I'm not sure the fullsize, over ear headphones will meet my snobbish comfort desires (if you like any leather/protein leather/pleather pads, you're already less snobbish than me, haha!), but both use Planar Magnetic drivers and they were announced right at the same time Sony announced they were purchasing the boutique audiophile company Audeze, where Planar Drivers are their specialty, with a rich powerful sound. I also hate Bluetooth audio gaming... but the Sony link actually seems promising, I would totally use the dongle with my PS5 and desktop PC! Lossless wireless audio, imperceptible audio lag (which I'm sensitive to)? Take my (nonexistent) money! Add to that, Sony's own audio team has impressive design chops, though typically I find them TOO bass strong (many people love them specifically for that) the Sony WM1000X series have been THE active noise cancelling headphones to buy for several generations.

I kinda would rather get the Audeze Maxwell over the Playstation over ears, due to Audeze's house sound and the tuning options of that wireless gamer headset, but the Playstation over ear headset is cheaper. The truly wireless in-ears may be more comfortable for me, also I think they look kinda cool.

[harsh oriole]

Exactly

I’m actually really more excited for the Pulse Explorer Buds than anything else

I already Daily Drive AirPods Max because Apple’s ANC and Transparency modes are best in industry, but I don’t like having to use them wired with my DualSense on PS5

also, they’re actually bad for PSVR/PSVR2, despite being super comfortable

Too Sweaty.

The new earbuds with PSVR1/2 are like the perfect Use Case IMO

[jagged estuary]

Apple’s ANC is good, but I think Sony’s is more effective. Sennheiser’s is a little less effective, but I don’t feel that extra pressure and soreness build up at all.

That’s a bit subjective, of course,

[harsh oriole]

My brief time with Sony’s ANC came from a defective InZone H9

And, well, simply put after researching it, apparently it’s a relatively common issue with the XM4 ANC

Which the H9 use internally

And the Transparency just wasn’t as good

Which, like, maybe I’m weird but with my Maxes because they’re so comfortable and the Transparency mode is so good my ears very rarely are uncovered lol

As seen by my PFP

[jagged estuary]

But if you get the new player station TWS, I hope they manage to impress! TWS typically have weaker ANC than full-size headphones, but their ear plug nature helps a lot regardless (especially with higher pitched noise, the higher the freq the harder it is for ANC to be effective)

[harsh oriole]

Yeah, the ear seal of in-ear-earbuds can help with making a mid ANC good

[jagged estuary]

You look mostly happy! So that’s a good sign

[harsh oriole]

Lol

I don’t smile, bad teeth 😅

[harsh oriole]

I don’t believe that’s real

That’s as unbelievable as those photos of dogs or cats spelling things out when you squint

😂

[jagged estuary]

There’s a lot of midjourney-style glitches in the matrix if you look close enough. Windows and railings extending into the sky, two people with a total of only three legs, wobbly road paint, etc.

[harsh oriole]

Lol admittedly I didn’t look at it beyond the trollface

because it was enough to dismiss as not-real

[jagged estuary]

I often have some thing or other on my ears

Lmao, I thought it would only do 3 across and show a “+6 more” in the last box 😅

By the way, I believe I saw Joey’s Retro Handhelds say he was going to preorder/buy a Portal for video review. So, we’ll look forward to that.

[calm wind]

Is that Final Audio in the second to last photo?

I'm curious about their more reasonably priced models

[jagged estuary]

It is

[calm wind]

D8000 Pro was the best headphone I ever heard

Like better than Susvara easily

I never heard HE-1 yet, though

[jagged estuary]

It’s pretty exciting. Quite bulky, but by the point you’re trying those you’ve accepted that point 😂

[calm wind]

But like daaaamn, I cried listening to one of my favourite songs on the D8000 Pro 😂

[calm wind]

Oh yeah the D8000 Pro was also HEAVY 😂

Which model is it in the photo?

[jagged estuary]

Uuuuh probably not a D8000 there, that was enough years ago that I forget 😅

I used to go to CanJams all the time for Dekoni Audio, and as you can imagine a company that makes pads ends up having many headphones on hand. I left when one of the three founders (and IMO heart of the company) left to work for Etymotic/Westone, but just last month he went back. Tal was fun to work for!

So, now you see why I’m ok with the PlayStation portal having a wired headphone out jack > Bluetooth 😂

[jagged estuary]

It’s awesome to bump into someone else who tried a boutique headphone like the D8000 Pro!

[calm wind]

Oh yeah I was DEEP into the audio rabbit hole, had like 10 different headphones and 40 pairs of IEMs 😂 So it's awesome to talk to someone who doesn't think I'm clinically insane when I mention "$4500" and "headphone" in the same sentence haha

Nowadays I reduced my collection to just my Sennheiser HD600, Final A4000 and Moondrop SSR

[jagged estuary]

I have not tried a Moondrop IEM or headphone, please forgive my shortcomings 🙏

[calm wind]

Hot take here but most of them aren't very good, just popular 😂

[jagged estuary]

I’ve got an HD 660S2 on my desk right now, I’m trying to see if I can get back into the reviewing game.

[calm wind]

I tried Quarks, Quarks DSP, Chu, SSR, Aria, Starfield, Blessing 2, Blessing 2 Dusk, Variations

Only the SSR and Starfield were good haha

[calm wind]

Oh damn, that's one I haven't heard! It's so prohibitively expensive here, almost 3x the price of the HD600!

[jagged estuary]

#742753724786540617 message

[balmy lotus]

https://gamerant.com/playstation-portal-preorder-sold-out/

Topic on RH podcast later today.

[jagged estuary]

Could indicate the Supply from Sony, and their expectations for how many they would sell around the globe.

[silent silo]

Yeah, just because it's sold out in some places, it doesn't mean they started off with that many to begin with. It's a good way of trying to build hype, but without actual numbers, it's meaningless.

That article is especially bad, since its premise is "More than 40 million PS5s have been sold, therefore this accessory will sell a million units quickly!"

That's...not how sales or logic work.

[calm wind]

Sega MegaDrive sold 35 million units worldwide, therefore the 32x addon is bound to be a runaway success!

[harsh oriole]

Honestly even if they sell 1-2 million it’s going to be a runaway success for what they’ve positioned it as

Lol.

[candid moat]

ha, 1 million

I'd bet the aya pocket air sold more than this

[bleak vale]

I anticipate a spike in sales

Once they announce that ps streaming will work with this thing

Rn they announced it only for ps5 consoles, but there's clearly no point in that. It's almost definitely for this

[jagged estuary]

You mean streaming retro PSX games?

[bleak vale]

Nah they recently announced streaming ps5 and ps4 games to ps consoles

Then said more info to come later

100% they put that on portal

https://blog.playstation.com/2023/10/11/ps5-cloud-streaming-launches-this-month-for-playstation-plus-premium-members/

[subtle pebble]

Scalpers probably.

Knowing it may not sell well also, maybe, draws them in since it becomes scarce, collectors will want it even if they do not use it.

[subtle pebble]

But streaming does not work in lots of areas, all Australia etc.

Or did that change?

[jagged estuary]

Download in Down Undah! 😂

It’s a very true and real thing that broadband and streaming aren’t available everywhere, not to mention server infrastructure etc. Even if you have access, distance can affect the quality of the experience, for example Mint Blitz is a really talented Halo content creator, but he has latency problems playing on North American servers (I believe he’s from Australia, but I could be wrong).

[subtle pebble]

yes no servers around, so we never got PS Now. And top tier PS Plus is nerfed.

[jagged estuary]

At least you can sympathize with Retro Game Corps.

[subtle pebble]

Imagine if portal works with hacked PS5s? PT on Portal etc.

I imagine they thought of that and blocked the access to lower firmware PS5, though IDK

Can we add this channel to non “rumor_mill” channel?

[jagged estuary]

I still have PT installed on my PS4 pro… what a bold move, for a project that was killed almost immediately by Konami once they realized what it was, it still influenced a horror game renaissance!

[subtle pebble]

Same I have it in my PS5 too…just sitting there apparently day one PS5s it works too.

But they have a mod now for it to run at 60 on PS5.

[jagged estuary]

Oh sweet! It didn’t run on my PS5 at all when I migrated my data, lol.

[subtle pebble]

DriveClub too which is a dream.

[jagged estuary]

I played a little of that when it came out… didn’t get too deep into it. I do think people are frothing at the mouth for a 60 FPS Bloodborne on PS5 (and any other platform they’re willing to port to…)

[subtle pebble]

Yeah that is a mod also.

Seems an easy way to get a moddable PS5 is try to find a new in box Horizon Forbidden West bundle.

[subtle pebble]

First unboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9vmFhWQGGM

[dim maple]

I’m excited. I’m excited. Granted I know it’s intended purpose

[jagged estuary]

Fair enough; knowing it’s intended purpose and advertised capabilities is probably the best way to be excited about it 🙂

[dim maple]

I mean I got kids so tv is in use or im too lazy at end of day to sit kn the couch

I do feel like there will be people who didn’t know it’d just for remote play

At least at launch

[late jacinth]

Now that i looked at it a little more, i noticed, that the stick are on the bezels, and maybe a little on the screen. So if you using the stick, it may be a little/more annoying, imo for some pepole.

But at least, it doesnt have front camera hole/island.

[zenith venture]

Wait did you get yours already?

[vast gate]

Nah not my picture

[zenith venture]

So do we know if this thing has android in the back end?

[vast gate]

From everything I've read, you literally can only do playstation streaming

Can't even use bluetooth headphones

And I don't believe you can do local streaming (source?)

[low rose]

If they had it do cloud gaming (even if it was locked to PS only) and allow the ps5 to be used separately, id easily upgrade my ps+ membership. It only being a ps5 remote screen is what kills it for me.

[subtle pebble]

Pretty sure it is based on Android TV. As Sony also recently made an officially remote play app for Android TVs which is probably the same as Portal.

Also since it uses same sticks as PSVR2 controller, stick covers will work. The sticks on PSVR2 are pretty good for small sticks, hard/impossible to DIY replace and also can get drift.

Hoping they add updates to Astro’s Playroom to add a level for PSVR2, and Portal.

(With that collectible Sense, VR2 and Portal models to put in the Labo museum room, I guess they can’t do it all since new PS5 model exists now too, there is a little room left in there though if they hang from ceiling)

[grim aurora]

I’m buying mine at $99 whenever they hit that

No rush at all

[jagged estuary]

The product page says it can ONLY do local streaming and remote streaming of your ps5, last I checked they explicitly said PS+ Premium cloud gaming was not supported.

[vast gate]

Okay so it can actually do local streaming?

Cause I was struggling to find that

[jagged estuary]

Just to check… what do you think is local streaming?

All the product page stuff talks about how WLAN streaming will be better than remote streaming, because you can’t rely on public WiFi to provide high bandwidth/low latency (but that’s an option too).

They don’t say WLAN though… just local streaming. But they are talking about intranet.

[jagged estuary]

As a reviewer, would it help you out if I found where it’s mentioned for you?

[vast gate]

Yep, intranet, like Moonlight. Or using Psplay does, local. Not using your ISP internet ever. Let me check again, maybe my simple google failed me.

I assume it does this, I mean it has to

[jagged estuary]

Second picture on the product page 🤷‍♂️ https://www.playstation.com/en-us/accessories/playstation-portal-remote-player/

[dim maple]

Ooof. Roughly steam deck size. And I’m still not sure what the gaps between the screen and dual sense is for

I guess maybe easier access for the touchpad stuff

[vast gate]

Second picture contradicts

Either way, I'll know when I get it

[zenith venture]

This is literally the only reason why I ordered one

Too much mystery with this thing

[jagged estuary]

How? It says home WiFi is best, but remote is possible with caveats of potentially worse experience.

I liked that it goes into detail

[vast gate]

Because the writing sounds as if it's using actual internet

Even at home

[zenith venture]

Lol I wouldn’t put it past Sony

[jagged estuary]

What part reads like home is using internet, not just WLAN?

It seems pretty clear to me. Sony repeatedly emphasizes that the home WiFi will give the best experience, and when they mention that playing over the internet they always include the caveats of potential quality differences, and list minimum and recommended data speeds. Network speeds aren’t mentioned until talking about “also be played wherever you have access to broadband internet WiFi with at least 5Mbps…”

The “also” denotes alternative to me. But the 300Mbps and up typical of WiFi internal communications since WiFi 802.11N will probably be faster and smoother (more reliable)

The mystery to me is if the latency will be as poor as the official Sony Remote Play app, which was essentially unplayable for me with any game requiring timing or aiming at moving targets.

By the way… Sony did not delineate here if it recommends 15Mbps upload as well as download, BUT for the record Comcast will only be able to cast video out from your house at up to 5-6Mbps even if you have their BLAST! plan (no relation to Sega Genesis), so Comcast XFINITY customers I would recommend ONLY getting a Portal if you’re ok with using it at home, not on the go, until you get a good internet provider.

(Comcast supports like 250Mbps download, sometimes more, but the gameplay video would need to be uploaded from your PS5 if you’re playing outside your house, at which point you would be bottlenecked by Comcast’s 5-6Mbps maximum upload speed for any tier of their service speed. Comcast knows this is lackluster compared to other carriers like FiOS, so they make it very difficult on their website to see what their upload speeds are, but I can tell you as an ex-customer that it was inadequate for hosting Twitch or YouTube live streams).

[dim maple]

Im going to laugh if this can’t connect directly with console like a phone can. Like if it’s legit in the same room and it says “searching via internet”

[subtle pebble]

When does the powering on embargo end so we can see more.

[balmy lotus]

I can't wait to see your video where you rip it apart to see what's inside. 🔥

[zenith venture]

Nothing is inside

[balmy lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/frustration-me-cute-hamster-gif-15049505

find out it is powered by a hamster

[loud umbra]

Rat powered

[dim maple]

This is either going to be the most helpful purchase I’ve made for gaming, or the most money wasting

[jagged estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-carribean-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-jar-of-dirt-gif-5235618

[subtle pebble]

That’s a nice jar.

[weak wagon]

So most reviews are saying it’s basically the same as remote play on phone/tablet + dual shock controller. 😅 we knew that. But i was expecting some potential unique features but doesn’t look like it does.

Mine arrives this week 😅 so guess we will see how it feels in hand if i keep it

[dim maple]

Yikes

[weak wagon]

Unless it feels amazing in hand. I will probs return it. I only considering keeping it as i got a heavy discount on it

[dim maple]

This def sounds returnable. Remote play on phone / tablet isn’t great

Phones are all around awful. I think tablet depends on which one

[weak wagon]

Yeah nearly all reviews are saying its same experience

[dim maple]

Granted it’s been a while since I’ve tried, I’m just wondering about the pressure sensitive triggers. Like in Spider-Man 2 where it really counts

[weak wagon]

Thats why they say its same as DS controller with a phone. As you get those features doing it that way

So if you own a ps5 + Controller and a smartphone. You have everything needed essentially

[dim maple]

I’m still open to this. But we shall see if it pays off or if I have $200 more for Xmas gifts

[vast gate]

It's a worse experience than your phone and tablet since you can't use your own Bluetooth headphones here

And you're locked to a single platform

[weak wagon]

Agreed, it does have 3.5mm but i get your point.

These will do well on 2nd hand market i think. Like i say, i only went for mine as i got it discounted. Hard sell at current price

[dim maple]

I just want to see if streaming quality is any better if connection is direct.

Without having to occupy my phone

[vast gate]

Hm, it's only wifi 5?

Google failed me

[dim maple]

Like let me play Spider-Man 2 lying down while directly connected to my PS5 with minimal lag

[vast gate]

Verge says wifi 5

Which is kind of embarrassing if so

[dim maple]

I’d be forgiving of that if they let you play off of PSPlus

I love the backbone but I’d rather not drain my phone

[dim maple]

Yeah… google is too big for its own good

[weak wagon]

A-lot of reviews complain about lag

[vast gate]

Not shocking at all, it's using a worse wifi chip lol

[weak wagon]

I have piss poor internet, so expecting to return this 😅

[vast gate]

Psplay works perfectly in my house, the official app is worse and this device has a worse chip

It's like they didn't even try with this device

[weak wagon]

Reviews say it requires internet connection. So imagine its not using local wifi to stream

[vast gate]

Yeah that goes back to my initial confusion

We'll see when mine arrives I guess

[weak wagon]

Yeah looks like its not a direct connection.

[dim maple]

Then this will instantly be a return

[weak wagon]

Yeah my internet is rubbish. So yeah 🤦‍♂️

[dim maple]

Mines not bad. But I can play remote play from a laptop for better quality and direct connection

The PS5 screen just looks so weird on a Mac

I also have an elgato capture device if I can just figure out how to stop the preview in OBS from being so dark

[dim maple]

When they won’t let you cancel…

[frail cave]

Someone is working on a BSP-D9 controller https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/16hg6o4/comment/k0di2kd/

[dim maple]

The one thing that gives me hope is how there are software updates. So what’s preventing Sony from adding more features

They could’ve easily just had a “out of the box is what you get” deal

[vast gate]

IGN says you can't connect to wifi that requires a browser

[weak wagon]

Doh! No using this in starbucks then 😅

[weak wagon]

Same. Just went to check my order and cant cancel now. So will play for a few days and think about returning it maybe

[dim maple]

Yeah. I’m kinda thankful I can’t so I have no choice but to give it a shot lol

I’m not gonna get it here only to go to my local Best Buy and return it haha

[weak wagon]

Can always live in hope of homebrew

[dim maple]

I also just grabbed another PS5, the slim one.

[weak wagon]

If this got moonlight……just sayin

Problem i have is my Logitech g cloud is just too good

It does all my streaming needs 😅

[dim maple]

Except PS5 lol. That’s why I got this. I don’t want to drain my phone battery using backbone. And using a tablet seems meh

Not as handheldable

[weak wagon]

Yeah. Same reasoning for my purchase really

[dim maple]

But even in the same room if it’s gonna be super laggy then it’s a return

[weak wagon]

Same. Should know that day 1 hopefully. My ideal use for this is when the wife wants the TV 😂

So i can just carry on 😂

[dim maple]

My idea use is when my son is on the tv or when I just want to lay down after a day and not boot up the actual PS5 even though I have one with a g-story screen attached

[trail forum]

https://youtu.be/lEkSOAxrMAQ?si=x2rF1DTrRM8x6VSO

[mental spoke]

What a weird device lol

Seems like psplay/mirrorplay works better?

[vast gate]

I've found psplay to be better than the official app personally

[mental spoke]

Both Xbox and ps5 official apps suck so bad lol

I’ve been loving local streaming before bed on xbx play though. That shit rules

[vast gate]

Check out xbplay instead of xbxplay

But yep

[mental spoke]

Seems like people differ on which they like

But since xbxplay works for me I’ll just play that lol

In any case, I can’t see getting this even if I had a ps5

Decent screen though

[vast gate]

I can't remember why I went xbplay, I think it was the local 360 game support from my series s, xbxplay doesn't have that right?

[mental spoke]

Like playing 360 games? I’m pretty sure Xbxplay does, just need 1080p set not 720

[vast gate]

Yeah 360 games locally off my series s (so not xcloud ones)

That's cool then!

Oh it's the opposite! It doesn't do xcloud!

[mental spoke]

Oh yes lol

I think it’s remote only

[vast gate]

Gotcha okay makes sense, that was the reason

On the portal subject

I see the use case for PS5 only peeps

But I still don't think it's the best option

[mental spoke]

The video said it was using PlayStations official backend for streaming

So definitely not

What Wi-Fi chip does it have?

[vast gate]

Wifi 5 apparently

According to verge

[mental spoke]

Dam I heard the battery sucks too

Wow this thing gets blown away by a ton of devices

[vast gate]

Four hours

Holy moly

[mental spoke]

Fucking lol

This thing blows

[vast gate]

Here's the problem

The competition in this price range isn't good either

[mental spoke]

I’d consider real competitors at that price to be a phone/controller and a used/on sale gcloud

And I would still take those

If you could find a way to get psplay on the portal then you have a fun time

[vast gate]

I don't disagree, but for an actual handheld separate from your phone and controller, there isn't anything

Abxylute is closest

[mental spoke]

The abxylute isn’t real, it can’t hurt you

[vast gate]

G cloud used is still not something lots of people can just buy

Haha

I wish the Odin base stayed at $240

[mental spoke]

Actually does Odin base or lite carry Wi-Fi 5 or 6?

Wouldn’t be a bad option either, just switch sticks

[vast gate]

Good point

It's wifi 6

[mental spoke]

Yeah that’s really good

[jagged estuary]

I got a floor standing tablet stand 😂

[royal tide]

will your abxylute's review come out soon?

[vast gate]

Oh I did that already

[jagged estuary]

Wi-Fi 5 is more than enough though. It supports MIMO, over a Gigabit/s of transmission speed, etc. 1,100 Mbit/s can carry a 1080p video stream at 6Mb/s several times over. So WiFi 5 shouldn’t be a limiting factor, it’s just not turned up to 11. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac-2013

[jagged estuary]

I’d rather use full size DualSense sticks, haptics, etc, but of course I also would like the Odon 2’s on-device power for emulation. Bit of a price difference between these too, right?

[vast gate]

He meant the Odin Lite, it's $199

[jagged estuary]

Buuut, if the Portal has the same latency problems as Sony’s mobile app, I’m out.

Odon? What’s Odon? 🤣

I had a dumb moment.

[mental spoke]

No I agree, however, psplay is well above anything Sony has put out. And thus anything that can play psplay with WiFi 5 and above will be better

[jagged estuary]

Or MirrorPlay for iOS.

I should finish setting that up and try it out now 😂

[vast gate]

They didn't make any latency changes, so the portal will function the same as other devices, but worse cause lower wifi spec

It was tested in a video IIRC

[mental spoke]

Yeah same thing lol

[royal tide]

oh yeah , I just missed it , thanks

[jagged estuary]

Just got MirrorPlay/PSPlay working with my iPad/PS5 for the first time. Still can’t play competitive FPS, but maybe it’s enough for Spider-Man 2?

Significant point was that the PS5 was on the 2.4 GHz WiFi, not wired.

[vast gate]

Yeah that's going to hurt you

Even 5ghz would be better if you can swing that

[grim fog]

waiting for the eventual firesale of these and still not get one

[jagged estuary]

Yeah, but I really need to sleep, closed today and I open in the morning 😅 Hard to unwind when you think you hear one of your managers dismiss someone as a “boomer” and a pile of other things throughout the day.

[jagged estuary]

Ey, if I can get my iPad playing FPS games, I ain’t looking back!

(But low key, I’m actually really interested in that Sony link wireless audio, it’s quite a step up from Bluetooth)

[grim fog]

i just dont get what sonys play is here

because this is even lower than i thought

i do want to see the insides of one though

especially the chip

[jagged estuary]

I think the PSP was a big success for them (at least in Japan), while the Vita did not catch on like they expected. I think they’re also super proprietary because they’re afraid of losing control of their game licensing income?

So, they did something different from the Vita, to their credit we don’t have to re-buy games or use proprietary storage media, but they really must believe in their remote experience even if we don’t see it.

It really bugs me that I now have to basically choose between connecting to my best screen (OLED 4k 120Hz HDR), hard wiring into my router in my home office (cheap 1080p IPS display) to get good handheld results, or moving my router & making the rest of the house have to pull WiFi from the basement.

So, I almost hope that hardwired connection still isn’t worth it 😂

[vast gate]

You should add an access point upstairs

[jagged estuary]

The Router/AP is currently upstairs; I’m thinking my PS5 is using the 2.4gHz band because the 5Ghz doesn’t reach downstairs, and if I’m just using a mesh network I’d probably still end up with 2.4GHz anyway.

[jagged estuary]

Unless you mean, like, a 5GHz AP right above the PS5?

[vast gate]

At that point you'd just hardwire

[jagged estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cody-ko-crazy-woo-haha-holding-a-drill-gif-25609385

[vast gate]

The AP I meant is the hardwired ones

Could use moca adapters if your house has no network drops

[jagged estuary]

Holes in the floor 😂 (I put a hole In the floor so I could extend the router upstairs).

I’m unfamiliar with Moca adapters. Like, power socket to Ethernet thingies?

[vast gate]

Lol yes the redneck engineering works too

Moca actually uses the coax output

Most houses are wired for coax for tv's

[jagged estuary]

I had the Verizon guy do it for me, thank you very much 😂

[vast gate]

So you do one adapter near router, one near where you want an AP

And it converts coax to Ethernet

Works so much better than power over Ethernet

One step down from actual network drops imo

[jagged estuary]

Hmm, I trust Coax more than I trust those power line adapters.

[vast gate]

Night and day, I've had both

The power ones are awful

Coax ones are stable and high throughput

[jagged estuary]

My first paycheck can’t come soon enough (and it’s not going to be that big, sadly)

[vast gate]

A cheaper route if you're lucky and don't use a home phone, check if your phone lines are cat5e

If they are, congrats, house has wired internet already

[jagged estuary]

Thanks for teaching me something tonight. We have 1 coax poking out from our kitchen vent, I’ll have to see where else it’s routed.

[vast gate]

Swap the faceplates and you're done

[jagged estuary]

I don’t use a home phone… I’ll have to check that too XD

[vast gate]

Lots of ways!

[silent silo]

Have any reviews done a teardown of this, or been able to say what's inside it? I doubt it has much going on in terms of anything, but it'd be neat to see if there's anything salvageable about it.

[analog siren]

Ah looking forward to picking up my pre-order when I get back

[dim maple]

I have a PS5 on wired. So that should be benefiting for this right?

Unless it takes a direct correction in same room

I’ll try mirror play as well

[jagged estuary]

The signal must go to a router first. There’s some speculation whether it needs to go through the Internet too, but I doubt it if you’re on the same network (my MirrorPlay app works even though mine’s not set up to work over the internet). But yes, hardwired PS5 to a router is best, plus 5Ghz WiFi to your handheld.

[dim maple]

Hmmm. If it goes through router anyways yeah I’ll connect to hardliner ps5

I just got a SlimS5 to attach to a portable screen, hr still not always in the mood for that

My existing remote playing is a blurry mess. *this isn’t the hardwired one

[vast gate]

lol that internet warning top left is a dead giveaway there

[dim maple]

Yup.

[vast gate]

Portal shipped, wonder when it'll arrive. Maybe tomorrow.

[dim maple]

Best Buy had mine ready for shipping today. But 0 movement on UPS

And even they say Thursday eta

[dim maple]

LMAO https://youtube.com/shorts/eKnx9hCAA7k?si=1h2QErJEH1tWC_N1

[dim maple]

And now UPS says tomorrow. Thank goodness

[jagged estuary]

Faster than the game throughput?

[late jacinth]

So this is how they make the Portal...

[dim maple]

Apparently PS direct missed their mark and a lot of shipments from there are claimed to be arriving Thursday now

[weak wagon]

It’s arrived!

Setup time

The screen is actually really nice and crisp

Good speakers too

[balmy lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[dim maple]

I got mine!

[weak wagon]

https://youtu.be/BIsuC-EX2Oo?feature=shared IGN review mirrors my thoughts on device

Such a nice screen

[balmy lotus]

the comments on the video are hilarious

[dim maple]

It’s great for what’s advertised, but should’ve been more. Simple

And with FW updates, it could be more

I don’t think Sony has said they have ruled out new features in the future right?

[dim maple]

Respectable. Considering the dualsense on its own has super small battery life

[vast gate]

https://twitter.com/TDeckverse/status/1724892736418144670?t=UlmmB-paDuIalF04rrPMTw&s=19

I wonder

[dim maple]

This feels way better than it should

[subtle pebble]

Can we please get this channel moved out of Rumor Mill.

[subtle pebble]

What is the audio like?

[dim maple]

Incredible

For a handheld

If it wasn’t for the occasional stutters I would think I was playing on a super powerful handheld

So I can’t say I’d recommend for super accurate things like online fighters

But I’ve actually been playing Spider-Man 2 like so many promo images depict and I’m doing well

[mental spoke]

If you could toss psplay on that it would be so nice

[subtle pebble]

Could you see if you can use it in couch two player just as a player 2 controller.

I think if there was that use case, it could have extra use too for those who just have one normal controller.

Awaiting a tear down tomorrow. One YouTuber is getting the heat out to pull the tablet apart.

[grim fog]

wow

it uh

uses a sanpdragon 662

thats uh

wew

its like...when you didnt think it could get worse

it does

[dim maple]

It’s clear they have no intent on opening it up so it doesn’t need anything fancy

I think at most we can hope they add PS+. That’s it

[warm atlas]

Just discuss it in #841722663960707143 . No need for it to have its own channel. Will probably close up this thread soon.

[rocky nacelle]

only 4,5hrs battery life for something this big that basically just plays video? 😦

So would I be able to play my ps games on train with mobile hotspot with this thing?

[jagged estuary]

If your PS5 is hardwired to your router, your home internet provider provides at least 15Mbps upload (Comcast can’t), and your hotspot can keep a stable broadband signal throughout your train ride… then probably. Best to test using PSPlay/MirrorPlay on your phone while riding the train, just to see first what the connection is like.

[rocky nacelle]

Ah, that's a great idea...thx

[grim fog]

comcast can

https://www.speedtest.net/result/15515985352.png

that said comcast really needs to increase the upload rate

its insane that im basically at gigabit but throttled to just 24mbps

You can get better but that requires you to go to their gigabit fiber plan and that one is insanely priced compared to it's competitors

[dim maple]

Yup. I ditched comcast right away when I could and got FIOS

[grim fog]

Comcast has me by the balls...

Can't go att... Can't go FiOS... And Google has effectively canceled their plan for fiber here

[pastel plaza]

Same here, our city is a beta test city for Comcast. I have gigabit cable as well fiber isn't an option here from any provider. And our local government paid Comcast to block other internet providers for another 10 years.

But I pay way more than average for gigabit cable cause it's the only option

I pay 125$ a month and my speeds are identical to yours

But literally no other provider will come to my house.

[grim fog]

my problem isnt theres no other provider... its the options are far worse than comcast

[vernal shard]

This why also. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/att-and-comcast-finalize-court-victory-over-nashville-and-google-fiber/

[sinful flicker]

Man that is shitty. Google Fiber is a dream here.

[dim maple]

Is this even possible?

[grim fog]

absolutely

[vast gate]

Some quick thoughts:

• whatever "software" they made for this took like 5 seconds, PSPlay makes this look like it's the unofficial product
• yep, some issues with how they're adjusting the image, it has a ghosting effect + pixelation compared to other devices
• screen looks nice when not being pixelated
• speakers are absolutely awful so far
• setup was easy, much easier than PSPlay is, so it has that going for it

Otherwise, literally feels like a tablet sandwiched inbetween PS5 controllers.

[vernal shard]

This is for Sony Fanboys that only use official products. There are so many out there. Just not in this space.

[grim fog]

Like I said I'll wait till they firesale them and probably still not get one

[subtle pebble]

I’m waiting to see if these hit pre owned market, if the screens last. Maybe look in EB Games next year and see if they have ones to look at make a very good second controller at least.

[subtle pebble]

Are the speakers basically just two of the dualsense speakers, those are not great at all.

Also annoying they make voice chat come out of the speakers if you don’t have headphones, you can hardly hear anyone.

Reminds me I need to check YT someone was going to pull the tablet apart.

Found it. #841722663960707143

Continued discussion there since this channel is getting archived/removed.

[dim maple]

Logitech G cloud gets its own thing but not this?

[warm atlas]

I mean, yeah. It can't even be used for emulation, so there won't be much to talk about once the intial already tepid hype dies down.

[subtle pebble]

Good use for Virtual Photography
https://fxtwitter.com/theagentofdoom/status/1725104524216697297

But I guess a phone does this too

[warm atlas]

Sony PlayStation Portal (Discuss in #sony channel)