The Last Patch - Changes Discussion and Suggestion

[gusty osprey]

So I'm planning to implement 1 balancing change tomorrow. Seeing how dominant Fern is, I think I'll nerf her Concentrated Blast

From 7 + 3xB to 6 + 2xB
@cursive ocean

Oh, I'll have to update Mana Concealment wording too

[simple cave]

Sein buff

[gusty osprey]

Wedneday ✅

[simple cave]

Preferably to his healing

[gusty osprey]

Poison Cure 10 > 12 would be fun

[cursive ocean]

Uh probably 8 + 2xB

[gusty osprey]

while retaining the 90 HP lim

[gusty osprey]

Sounds good

[simple cave]

Maybe beer too.... Maybe his passive heal as well.......

[cursive ocean]

Beer maybe if it’s still lacking

Passive no

[gusty osprey]

maybe everything............. /j

[simple cave]

Maybe have his health be 110.......

[gusty osprey]

so true bestie...

[simple cave]

Real shit!!

[cursive ocean]

Also Last Patch

[gusty osprey]

I have been wallowing a bit since my priorities have shifted crazy so I can't support it officially myself personally

But obviously there's still quite a bit of work on the balancing front, which follows with testing, so I thought of doing a small change a day to keep the discussion flowing, alongside real time testing as well

[stone roost]

Quick push as many Aura nerfs as possible

But yeah if you’ve confirmed a change and don’t have the time to change two lines of code, feel free to ping, dm or whatever and I’ll have a crack at it

[gusty osprey]

I probably will need to cus I'll be out for a bit for the next 2 weekends lol - thank you!

[burnt wren]

I'm going to hurt you

[marsh spoke]

Kraft

[gusty osprey]

Maybe?

Dunno if I have the energy for more than 1 character

[real wraith]

KRAFT KRAFT KRAFT KRAFT

:)

[tawny wharf]

maybe one day

[burnt wren]

@gusty osprey Irreversible now halves HP gains for the opponent

Recoil included (gotta make it seem fair)

[gusty osprey]

Isn't Irrever already like really good?

[burnt wren]

Nah

It's actually kinda weak

Since she can't buff herself well enough she gets outhealed easily

[turbid willow]

Red will kill you-

[stone roost]

It is, it and the barriers are Flamme’s entire kit basically

Soul is good if you’re smort

[ebon sonnet]

frieren becomes immune to both restraint magic and hypnotic compulsion

[turbid willow]

That’ll be such a bad matchup then

Methode won’t be able to do anything

[ebon sonnet]

methode can look at her closely, thinks she's cute, gains +5 atk every time she uses it

[real wraith]

WILD btw, look twice, +10 attack, pierce, kill

[turbid willow]

…

Maybe for the next turn

[cursive ocean]

I don’t even know what to say to that other than that’s just BS

[gusty osprey]

I think Edel needs the -3 ATK but also having -3 ATK, 2 redraw and highest empowered card costing more for just 5HP cost feels like a lot

I wonder if it should be -2HP per turn instead for a total of -10HP over duration

or a straight immediate -10HP cost instead

[turbid willow]

I mean her clear mind is pretty much her only way of healing so maybe the -2?

With the straight ten it does pose a more immediate risk for her tho

[gusty osprey]

mmhmm. -2 at turn end would be more synergistic for a character all about stalling controlling and surviving long

I'll note that down

[burnt wren]

Or so you say

[gusty osprey]

[ebon sonnet]

Could be interesting if clear mind heals for forced discard x 1 after returning to highest hp in the last 5 turns

Which makes early game easier and means it doesnt heal ridiculous amounts at the end (although it still can with enough discards)

[turbid willow]

Huh how would it- unless I’m reading it wrong

[ebon sonnet]

Gets cooked by multiattacks for the first 4 turns, heal to full

[gusty osprey]

Wait, what's the arithmetic on this? It's currently healing for

FD x 2?

[turbid willow]

Wait how does that heal for full then?

[ebon sonnet]

heal to highest hp recorded in last 5 turns + 1hp per forced discard

[turbid willow]

That’s stupid- you can use clear mind once every 5 turns then

To basically stay on full health always

[ebon sonnet]

turn count can be decreased

so like if edel was at 50 hp for a long time, they would heal back to 50 + amount of forced discards

[turbid willow]

It still doesn’t rlly make sense feels like it’ll make edel way too strong

[ebon sonnet]

its better than edel having 60 hp and holding it until low hp only to heal to full immediately when it gets low

means you need to keep your hp decently high throughout the game

[turbid willow]

Still it does sound quite powerful

[ebon sonnet]

currently base 10 + 2x FD

[turbid willow]

You can just use clear mind more and it’ll be very frustrating

[ebon sonnet]

you cant just use a card more thats not how discards work

well unless its on 0 active cards

it could be just 3 turns before

or 2 even

2 turns makes sense

[turbid willow]

Yes you can when edel usually just holds her clear minds for a rainy day

[ebon sonnet]

gives edel more strategy like waiting to heal after a big attack or use immediately to recover as much hp as possible

[ebon sonnet]

so maybe heal to highest amount 2 turns ago and 1x FD is more reasonable

[turbid willow]

Okay that’s reasonable

Multi attacks will be quite annoying for her tho

[ebon sonnet]

she already has telekenisis buff

[turbid willow]

Yeah but imagine taking 10 damage for a couple rounds

[ebon sonnet]

still heals for a lot if the clear mind was changed to this

[ebon sonnet]

then 3 turns is also an option

but that feels too strong

[turbid willow]

It’ll make edel so much more susceptible to multi hits

[ebon sonnet]

edel has a block too

[turbid willow]

Maybe it just seems rlly like one away or another

[turbid willow]

So you want her to block then clear mind

[ebon sonnet]

2 x FD is also an option

so heal to highest amount 2 turns ago + 2 x FD

[turbid willow]

What if she doesn’t get her clear mind as well

Imagine she had a massive hit

Didn’t get it for a couple turns

[ebon sonnet]

2xFD is how it currently is and that is already super strong with heals to full without needing the base heal

[turbid willow]

So you’ll just make her even stronger-

[ebon sonnet]

then she dies like she would now if that happened

we need to playtest it to see what happens and its just a suggestion that may not be implemented

[turbid willow]

Yeah ig

It also depends on how hard it is to implement hopefully it shouldn’t be tho

[ebon sonnet]

I feel like it may make edel late game less annoying

if its at 30 hp and only heals another 30 instead of to full

and 10 less heal if clear mind is used consecutively

[turbid willow]

In late game it’ll still be rlly annoying

Like even 1 x forced discard can be a lot

[ebon sonnet]

its supposed to be strong or edel will die 😭

[turbid willow]

Yeah but it wont rlly change anything in the late game

[ebon sonnet]

its not supposed to be game breaking

[turbid willow]

Huh I don’t get what you want to do with this then

[gusty osprey]

This sounds a bit too over-engineered

If we want to force it so that she has to use it in a more strategic manner, how about making it a heal-over-time effect?

Heal 5HP + FD / 2. At the next 3 turn ends, heal 1HP + FD / 2

So it would heal for in total 8HP + 2FD but spread out

[tawny wharf]

Edel is already so squishy so heal over time is a massive nerf

[gusty osprey]

truu

[tawny wharf]

Let's just see how this patch plays out

[gusty osprey]

mmhmm

[turbid willow]

I think Edel’s attack loss is a lot- I’ll probably have to see tho

[ebon sonnet]

Ideas for edel:
Clear mind to 12hp + 1 x FD but sets ability counter to 0 (better at the start but requires more strategy as edel will lose priority next turn, potentially dangerous in late game)

Weakened applies -1 to all stats if in active hand and another -1 if not removed, then remove from deck (since it is the 'weakest' of her status cards, would be better against multiattackers where temporary debuffs are not enough + its currently bugged to permanent atk decrease yet shes still losing)

[gusty osprey]

I like that Clear Mind rework a lot yeah. Very clear risk/reward to it

I think Weakened being a bit weaker compared to the other status card is fair however. I like to think it's more situational

[marsh spoke]

Kraft

[ebon sonnet]

Lol I was thinking it'd be funny if linie was the next character to be adjusted if there was no balance change today, breaking the chain.

[gusty osprey]

Actually good one

[gusty osprey]

I wonder what kind of Methode rework/adjustment would make sense

I think making Restraint's risk higher would make sense, i.e. Serie's barriers HP cost

For example, having her DEF be halved during the duration of restraint magic, or just a simple DEF-4, so it feels less oppressive when Restraint is up

since as it is as long as Restraint is up it's hard to do anything. At least with Serie you can kinda gauge when an attack might be coming, but Methode has so many ways to punish whatever it is that you do

Usually, you have 3 possible options: Attack, Util/Stats/Heal, Shield. During Restraint, you effectively only has 2, Util/Shield, which makes the read game way easier as Methode

I'll try to apply a DEF-4 thing during Restraint duration and see how that feels

[gusty osprey]

@burnt wren What do you think of making Aura more consistent?
So like, my idea is that

• Rusted Blades: HP-2. ATK+2. Summon 1 Swordsbearer platoon. If you have no swordsbearer, HP-2, ATK+2, summon an additional Swordsbearer platoon.
  Similarly for the other troops.

Basically slowing down Aura's summoning speed to make her less domineering, but when she's down (empty troop), she can summon more stuffs at a higher HP cost

[burnt wren]

What is this 😭

The troops themselves aren't the issue in most cases

It just becomes hard to knock them down sometimes

And only 1 platoon is crazy weak

[gusty osprey]

If it's already hard to knock them down then probably +4 stats +2 troops per card would be tough to follow up on

Plus this change would mean Aura loses less HP per card use so it should make her live longer too

[burnt wren]

Her HP loss is irrelevant compared to what she needs to be viable

She has no way to attack without her troops

[gusty osprey]

idk it could be fun

[burnt wren]

Aura's gonna become unviable 😭

As I was saying

Aura's troops are vital to her kit

Because, unlike other characters, she doesn't have attacks and buffs

She just has her troops

Which are both attacks and buffs

[stone roost]

What's the status on all the reforms we planned for her last season?

[gusty osprey]

I honestly don't recall most of it cus there was so much discussion on it 😭

I have only implemented the Auserlese change

but not sure what to do about the troops

[stone roost]

It's a little late for me rn but I'll try and scrap together a summary. I might have to send pings out to red, starlight and cactus to make sure I got the details right.

[gusty osprey]

Would love to give it a read and implement!

[burnt wren]

The troops are fine

Listen

She is at her weakest right now

She is balanced

[stone roost]

We're revamping her my guy, not nerfing her. To stop her from getting rolled against early pressure and allowing her to be defeated at all late game.

I'm pretty sure we touched up on this afterward but I can't really find it.

@burnt wren @cursive ocean What did we add to this apart from renaming the block?

[burnt wren]

I think we removed one Rot instead of those 2

Because Starlight misunderstood something

[stone roost]

I thought those 2 flooded her deck tho

[burnt wren]

One Rot and 1 Retreat I think

[burnt wren]

There are only one of each

[stone roost]

Oh yeah

And to think I made fun of them for that and still forgot

[burnt wren]

🥀 💔

[stone roost]

So was there anything else or was that it? I'll wait for red's response too before I submit it to Hexa.

[burnt wren]

I feel like 1 Retreat and 1 Army Brace is better

One of her Retreats gets changed

[stone roost]

Could've sworn there was another buff, or was that the Auserlese (yes I learned to spell it) buff that was already implemented

[burnt wren]

Probably one of the several iterations of her initial AS

[stone roost]

That doesn't really solve her getting victimised by big damage if she still only has two blocks.

[burnt wren]

Well, that doesn't need to be fixed

Edel gets rolled over by Aura

Aura by Frieren, Serie and Ubel

Sense by Ubel

[stone roost]

Not really, that one's fun for me. It's somehow possible to proctor Ubel.

[burnt wren]

I know

Everyone has a chance to win

But I'm just talking about the average match-up

I've won with Aura against everyone I think

[stone roost]

Not a chance, I mean that one is legitimately 50/50 or maybe 70/30 at worst

[burnt wren]

Even just straight up kill her

[stone roost]

I don't think her rolling and getting rolled is fun for anyone. She's already tough offensively, I really think the block instead of the rot will give her a slight edge against the ones you mentioned, and a bigger edge against Sense and Fern.

[burnt wren]

Well, yeah

I'm just saying

She's balanced now

In fact

She's still slightly above average

People just can't play her well

So her WR tanks a bit

[stone roost]

That's more due to her having auto-win and auto-lose matchups. Sure there's a slight chance for everyone, and sure other characters have those auto-outcome matchups, but I think it's a bit egregious in her case.

(Also I'm planning to pick her up if the revamps go through and I DON'T want to get fried by a single Mana Concealment)

[burnt wren]

Nah, you're going through the grinder like I did

Oh

My Aura is the character with the most points at the moment

[gusty osprey]

What does it mean to remove the AS buffer altogether?

But if it comes to it needing to find some way to protect her army specifically then... hmm....

I find it hard to find a way that makes sense for her character

a thought

[real wraith]

Personally, all I think is that her shields should give less defence

Like, if all people is worried about is how hard it is to kill her, make her start with random soldiers at the start instead, make it harder to build up the defence

That does make her much vulnerable tho...

One shield and one random at the start

Boom

[stone roost]

So you know you have to wear through her AS to hit her troops? Just getting rid of that entirely pretty much. Each troop has 5 AS and no more is built. Essentially, 10 damage would take out one troop, 20 damage would take two and so forth.

[real wraith]

So give each unit hp?

[stone roost]

Pretty much. Stops them from being immortal late-game and stops them from getting melted early game since they can't build AS.

[real wraith]

Das actually dummy smart
:D

[burnt wren]

Her DEF is nowhere near the issue

She gets 20 DEF at most

Well, she gets 10

And reaches 20

[burnt wren]

Aura Rot acting weirdly at negative HP

[gusty osprey]

Interesting math

[gusty osprey]

I still don't think I quite get it... isn't that the same thing rn?

If you hit her for 10 she loses 1 troop

[burnt wren]

Hexa is so out of the loop 😭

Yeah, you need to hit for 10 to deplete 5 AS

But to knock down a troop all you need is 0.1 AS less than Troop Number × 5

Well, for Aura, I mean

So if you have 4 Troops, you need 20 AS, and if you get hit and end up at 19.9, you lose 1 Troop

That's why a +1 Shallow Slash from Ubel takes out 1 Troop

Because it deals exactly 22 damage

[gusty osprey]

Right, so instead of as it is if you have 4 troops you just need to bring Aura down to < 20AS, she will have 3 troops

Is the idea that we should do it so that if she have 4 troops, she won't lose 1 troop until AS hits 15?

[burnt wren]

Yeah

[gusty osprey]

That would help her early game yeah, but not sure how that would help other players against her since it feels like that'd make it harder for others to take down troops lategame

but ig we can balance that later

[burnt wren]

That's why Meme proposed the AS cap

[gusty osprey]

Oh, so an HP cap basically

An issue I do have is that once she hits her cap, the 7 troop summoning cards would essentially become deadweight, unless if we go with this, it would add another layer of hand management to have Heartbreaker/Guillotine on hand to clear your AS cap when necessary

Which could be fun

[real wraith]

I mean yeah, but an AS cap could probably ruin how she plays too, cause of the fact that the cards being rolled randomly is a problem for unlucky people

[gusty osprey]

I mean we certainly can just try it out ig

[real wraith]

Like, imagine you wanna use guillotine, but you only get soldiers

[gusty osprey]

so seems like there's that idea of a cap, versus the idea of nerfing the soldier cards and having it work stronger when your army is depleted

[real wraith]

Ngl, Meme's idea of every unit should have separate hp is cool, but I also know it's a buncha work

(I know nothing about coding)

[gusty osprey]

Plus how would you be able to target specific unit. It could become the case where each unit only has 2,3 HP, then she summons a new unit, then that's another 5HP unit you have to chew through first

In terms of targeting, if we make it so the opponent always targets the oldest army first, then that would be no different than how it is now

[real wraith]

Fair enough

[burnt wren]

Just scale it up to 15-20-25 more than her necessary AS

[burnt wren]

@gusty osprey I'm being so for real right now, you need to change back what you did to Aura

She has become literally unusable

[gusty osprey]

For every whiny complaint with no back up argument, I'm nerfing her even more

• Define unusable
• Recognize the issue she has (having too many 30/70 and 70/30 matchups) and say how to resolve it

[burnt wren]

Hexa, I literally did provide an argument

It's in the main channel

But if you want me to repeat it

First

Her stats cannot go over 18

If one reaches it another gets pushed down to 16

She cannot have more than 10 troops

And once she reaches her maximum even 1 damage will knock down one Troop

What Meme proposed was not this

It was an AS Cap close to her current necessary AS

Which is different from a straight AS Cap

And her 30/70 and 70/30 match-ups

[gusty osprey]

"reverse the change" is not a viable suggestion. It's just saying "make her as hard to balance as before again"

[burnt wren]

If you had implemented Meme's 2nd change alongside what be proposed it would lower the 30/70 match-ups

[gusty osprey]

Tomorrow probably

[burnt wren]

While the 70/30 match-ups are just a quirk of a game like this

Which will happen in literally any game

[gusty osprey]

More like 90/10

[burnt wren]

And happens even to other characters

[burnt wren]

Reverse the change and implement the one we actually discussed

Is what I meant

Or just leave her as is

It's like Sein

Incredibly difficult to balance simply due to her mechanic

Sein with his HP and Aura with her AS

If you want to try the gradual change you tried with Sein you would need to tweak different things

Like, lowering her HP by 5

Or 10

[gusty osprey]

The other change basically changes it so that when she has 4 troops, instead of her losing 1 troop at <= 20, she loses troop when <=15 instead, so it really isn't that different from a flat +5 AS buff

[burnt wren]

Or implementing an AS Cap that is 10 higher than her necessary AS

[gusty osprey]

I can raise her cap to 60, which would be pretty symmetrical since her HP is 60 anyways

[burnt wren]

Hexa, the cap cripples her

I'm not joking

Like

Hear me out

She has 10 AS she needs for the 2 Shieldbearers

And can use another 4 total

She can't even use her full deck

[gusty osprey]

So she gets a maximum of 9 troops, and would need to use Heartbreaker/Guillotine etc to control her AS resource

[burnt wren]

Hexa, -20 AS, removes all your Troops of that kind and a Recoil of 8

It's one of the harshest moves in the game

[gusty osprey]

So we can make it less harsh

[burnt wren]

Hexa

Did you play Hexa recently?

[gusty osprey]

No.

[burnt wren]

I'll play against you right now and show you how badly it will go

[gusty osprey]

nah I'm good

I'm on vacation rn

[burnt wren]

And use Guillotine to "regulate" my AS

[gusty osprey]

I'll do some change tmr. Just not a reverse

[burnt wren]

As you think people can do

[burnt wren]

Hexa, the cap should be implemented with the rest of the things simultaneously

But still

What you've been doing to Hexa is constant changes

And the issue with that

Is that I'm essentially the only one playing her

And, if you were to check my account, you would see that I'm really good at her

Same as Paup with Sein and and Meme with Ubel

And what that causes

Is a skewed WR

Like, Linie has received an unconditional buff and still has 0 wins

While Sense is the same as always and has a 70% WR

What I think should be done is a new command which shows who won using what character against who using what character

[tawny wharf]

There sort of is

/tcg-player vs-character-record

The playership is probably too low to get accurate stats yeah

[burnt wren]

But it should allow you to see using what character

[tawny wharf]

It does

[burnt wren]

Sorry, didn't notice

[gusty osprey]

I'll say it's because I'm burnt out on doing changes for the game, so the only way I'm able to work on it is work a bit on it everyday instead of in long sessions like I do before

[burnt wren]

Oh shit

Sorry

I got confused

I meant to say Aura

[burnt wren]

I have no issue with that

In fact, that's better

[gusty osprey]

Which is why I'm not doing all changes at once

Just tell me what singular change you want to see next and I'll consider it

[burnt wren]

Yes, I get that, but Aura is a character who is barely balanced as is

[gusty osprey]

Just not something as boring, bland and uninspirational as a reverse

[burnt wren]

Right now the only issue

Is me playing

And not many other good players playing against me

I don't think I've played against Starlight, Artemis, Meme, Segantion and Red in at least 1 week

[tawny wharf]

@burnt wren you do have a suggestion that's not just a revert right? You suggested a different kind of cap?

[burnt wren]

Yeah, the revert is just a temporary thing, because the nerf she received doesn't work on her

The cap should not be a straight cap

But rather one that scales with her minimum

So, something like 10 AS above her minimum

Or 15

Simply because at one point knocking down her troops just isn't feasible

[gusty osprey]

What even is her minimum?

[burnt wren]

And doesn't make sense

Simply because she doesn't have buffs

Like other characters

While someone like Fern can reach 20 on all stats in at most 15 turns

Aura reaches 18 on most stats

Maybe 14 for DEF

Well

No

20 and 16

Due to Fallen Empire

Which, if the characters get knocked down, means that she loses her only way to attack and do any reasonable amount of damage

Simply because her stat gains are reversible

[gusty osprey]

Starlight suggested making it so she gains a bit more so she gets a permanent buff

i.e. "-2HP. +3ATK +5AS summon 1 sword. If you have no sword, -2HP, +1ATK +5AS summon 1 more sword"

[burnt wren]

The cap would mean you have 30 damage you can take before losing so many Troops that you can't do anything

[gusty osprey]

so you get at least +1 in permanent buff per card

[burnt wren]

I swear, this will go so badly

[gusty osprey]

So a minimum AS cap?

[burnt wren]

I'm not saying this because she'll be average or anything like that, but rather that she will end up worse than Sein

[burnt wren]

?

Oh right

I didn't answer this

[burnt wren]

By minimum I mean Number of Troops × 5

[gusty osprey]

So if she has 4 troops her AS will never drop below 20?

Wouldn't that mean there's no way to get her AS to go down?

[burnt wren]

?

Oh no

I mean minimum AS that she needs

So 10 for 2

20 for 4

And so on

[gusty osprey]

Minimum AS for what?

She needs for what?

[burnt wren]

To mantain her Army

[gusty osprey]

Okay, so the current mechanic is that she has a maximum AS cap. Do you want a minimum cap or something?

[burnt wren]

No no no

I agree with the AS cap

As she is a bit stronger than some other characters

(I still believe that if I were to stop playing her she would drop to 52% or so)

[burnt wren]

But what I believe should be done is not a Cap that she reaches

But rather a Cap to keep enemies in range of her Army

[gusty osprey]

So if she has 2 troops, she can't overheal her AS cap basically

[burnt wren]

Well, not exactly

If she has 2 Troops

She wouldn't have 10 AS

But rather that she can't go beyond like 20

[gusty osprey]

Makes sense

[burnt wren]

Unless she gets some new Troops

In which case it gets pushed to 30

Oh, Fallen Empire

Now the cap will be 55

And so on

[gusty osprey]

It makes sense. I just don't know if there's a good way to communicate it through ability text that won't make it overcomplicated

[burnt wren]

And this should be implemented with the whole Troops needing to lose 10 HP thing

[burnt wren]

Aura is already complicated, just have it be a gentlemen's rule

Or just

[Old Aura Ability description] Her AS cannot exceed her current necessary AS by more than 10

Or something like that

But make sure to code it so that the AS Cap change gets implemented during the turn

[gusty osprey]

I kind of want to tinker with the idea of making Guillotine/Hearbreaker less punishing more

[burnt wren]

Nah, they are crazy powerful

[gusty osprey]

Since number changes are easier than mechanic changes

[burnt wren]

Like

[gusty osprey]

Making them have smaller numbers is easier than forging a new ability mechanic

[burnt wren]

Guillotine hits harder than a Last Page if the conditions line up

[tawny wharf]

If AS is capped to how many soldiers you have and each soldier scales with that, it definitely would make her weaker early game which is the goal right

But a side effect is that now army cards are better relative to other cards because they give multiplicative bonuses

[burnt wren]

What?

Only Swordsman damage depends on that

(Swordsman × 2)+(ATK-Opponent's DEF)

[burnt wren]

But her kit is not one based on attacking with cards

She doesn't have the cards to kill someone like that

Guillotine is a finisher

Heartpiercer is in case an opponent gets crazy high DEF

Like Sense

And Stolen Valor is if you need to heal up instantly

I feel like the issue is that you are thinking of Aura as a normal character

When she's a completely different archetype

[gusty osprey]

idk

i think I'll just

stop

i wanted to continue to work on the game because i want to support the community

but if everytime i make a change, i just get hit with this kind of ferocious, slap in the face

I'm on vacation with my friends right now and my mind is just stuck on this, instead of being in the moment with my fellows

why do i even continue to work on this when it's so thankless anyways

i get nothing from this

any step i take, I don't receive constructive comments to build towards something better

just a stream of slaps in the face

I'm tired. Why do I even continue to work on this when all I get is this

even when I release Kanne & Lawine I'll receive several @'s about oh how overpowered, how broken, underpowered, hard to understand, too easy they are

Why do I even bother. Goodbye

[burnt wren]

Hexa, I didn't say this to insult you

I'm sure everyone appreciates the work you put into this game

[burnt wren]

And you should enjoy it, we can go for a few weeks with no changes, we always did

[burnt wren]

And I thought that all my yapping would be taken as intended, that being suggestions on how to render Aura more usable while still being defeatable, not as an attack on your person

[burnt wren]

I don't think anyone's going to complain about a character's difficulty or simplicity, and most people who say someone is underpowered or overpowered usually say it as a joke, with only a few actually meaning it

The only reason it happens so often with a character is that you introduce a new variable in a close environment and just stirred everyone into a frenzy

Like when Aura was released and she kept changing so often it was as if you were fighting a completely different character every time

Nobody blames you or Steam for a character being too strong or weak

This is normal in each and every game that has characters like this one

[stone roost]

I think I've confused you and cactus slightly lol. I don't mean a hard cap, I just mean AS doesn't increase past 5*troops.

It'd make shieldbearers less useful tho as they can only "heal" existing troops so maybe we should add something to those.

Oh you did the cap, uhhhh

We'll try this if the AS cap doesn't work I suppose?

[burnt wren]

It doesn't work

[stone roost]

In or against Aura's favour?

[burnt wren]

Against

Troops get one-tapped

Once you reach 10 Troops you are fucked

[stone roost]

I don't think the original idea will stop the one-tapping (in fact, that was an aim) but there won't be a 10 troops thing, the AS can be as high as you want, given you can maintain the troops.

[burnt wren]

Yeah, I know

By one tap I mean losing 3 Troops when hit by a strong attack

[stone roost]

Oh once you're reached 10 troops? Alright that should be fixed by the original idea. If that's implemented three troops will only be lost with >=30 damage

[burnt wren]

Yeah, I know

Basically what the Cap is now is a hard 50 AS Cap

Which limits you to 10 Troops

And 20.2 damage will kill 3 Troops

While what we thought about is a (Troops × 5) + 10 AS Cap

So it scales

[stone roost]

I don't think we had the +10 (then it would take 30 base damage to take out a single guy) but everything else tracks

Also I thought we got rid of the 0.x damage

[burnt wren]

What?

The half damage?

[burnt wren]

In my opinion Aura was okay earlier

It's rare that she ends up with more than 10 AS than what she needs

It's like slashing Sense's DEF gain because she can end up with 40 DEF by Turn 20

[burnt wren]

Tea Party somehow having an HP cost of --5, so +5

[marsh spoke]

hey can we get an aura buff, her stocks are in Great Depression freefall rn

thank

[burnt wren]

I mean, I agree, but this wasn't a good match-up for you

Let me show you a normal one

[burnt wren]

@tawny wharf I feel like the 2v2 should allow you to Sorganeil your teammate to stop stuff like Mental Fog