Ubel Defence, or Discard buff

[zinc dawn]

8 def, and the only way to improve it is discard. This paired with 90hp and high recoil make her very squishy, and her main wincon being a very early kill or late sorganiel, which I suppose is the point of her gameplay, but it feels a little overdone. Then again, her winrate is ok, but that’s largely because people here are kind enough to not immediately pick Denken after they realise they’re facing me, Mr no.1 Ubel main. A move that gives defence or a general defence buff is my suggestion, but you’re all more creative than I.

Alternatively, discard could be made to give buffs dependent on the quality, number and empowerment of the cards you give up. I’m not too sure of the balancing around this but I thought I’d throw it in the air.

Another thing, I don’t think a gimmick like graze would work on Ubel. She’s supposed to be squishy, this suggestion is just so she has the a chance against DoT where you can’t waste all your defend moves again Javelin or the tornado (Waldgose?).

[summer wraith]

It's tough cus you both want to make sure it's not overkill but also make sure it doesn't make her not who she is as a character

There are 2 paths we can take with this, either to make it so any character's worst matchup is 40/60, or to just ignore that and make sure everyone has around 50/50 WR, and introduce counterpicking into the competitive meta

though granted the latter is much easier

like, we can make Ubel hit less hard while increasing her defense, but does that make her lose flavor as who she is?

One consideration I do have is to remove her stat boosting from hitting a miss on shield, and maybe give additional temp DEF on Slow Down, for example

[zinc dawn]

Maybe, but defend pops up often and that’s quite a bit of temp defence, especially since it’s one of the few moves you can already do during slow down.

[summer wraith]

alternatively we can update it so she can still perform surehits after getting timed attack hit'd

[zinc dawn]

Counterpicking will probably result in less maining. Not saying that’s a problem at all, I wouldn’t mind playing something that isn’t Ubel, but whether you want it is your call.

[summer wraith]

so basically just doubling down on her hyperoffense essentially

[zinc dawn]

Offence is the best DoT defence :)

[summer wraith]

it would be easier from a balancing standpoint at least, without losing the flavor of what makes a character that character

[summer wraith]

lmao

on the other hand proper balancing does feel like a fun creative exercise

It's tough cus Ubel still has decent WR and is still competitive, so any change to her might throw off balancing completely one way or another

For now I'll put the idea of making end-of-turn attacks count for sure hit on my board for ideas to change her

even then she still loses badly to laufen so

but that one's at least not too one-sided, and lauf's getting nerfed a bit next patch anw

[zinc dawn]

Maybe her defend or slow down can have a small amount of permadefence, not a lot, but enough that one of Fern’s pouts doesn’t immediately disable her defensively (is the pout the one with the defence debuff???)

Either way, what did you think of the discard buff idea?

It will have to be done carefully not to screw over Laufen, or we could just not buff speed altogether.

[summer wraith]

Discard buffing further than it already does would be tough

I think Discarding itself shouldn't be made to be so much stronger than your cards

I'll look to make Ubel still be able to surehit against multihit attacks next patch (but also disable her ability to gain stats on hitting into shield) to see how much that changes things

[zinc dawn]

Maybe make a testing channel where people get the patch early, ranked is disabled, but winrates are still tracked?

[summer wraith]

We do have that

but that's only opened after tournament