All we really get to see from her is her defensive magic 
#Frieren fakemon concepts
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normal pier
hmm
Länge also doesn't really say much about what her magic could be
we could do like whimp out as main ability and prankster as secondary
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Whimp out fits the theme pretty well
Golem rescues her
“Prankster” could be seen as a “shes being underestimated and nobody expected her to move first” or something along those lines
“Cry out” Länge shouts for help and all her teammates get a big increase in speed 😭 😭
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well it could also just be her magic is super useful but she doesn't really get to use it cause she is scared
we need to go a bit on a limb
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I’m the most knowledgeable on Länge by a long shot and even I have trouble giving her cool things 
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I mean i could see star things
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well it could also just be her magic is super useful but she doesn't really get ...
She’s doing all that studying for somethin + star theme + she’s oddly observant
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as Länge means "distance" or "measurement of distance" and stars are far away????
observant?
we could do something with Analytic
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I based it off two panels and my coping
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not that it is a particularly good ability
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Being a prankster + whimp out user is interesting I think
normal pier
you can't do both
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Since it makes whimp out actually usable
normal pier
I do think it doesn't really fit her theme
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you can't do both
gen 8 begs to differ
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Frierenmon powercreep 💔
I mean could give her a lunala like ability based off the golem
Speaking of edel should totally be a trickroom user
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I did stick trick room on Denken already
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Fits the “golem is protecting her” theme
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I did stick trick room on Denken already
Well you can’t only have 1 TR user else it becomes hard to counter
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not like it's a big part of her character
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Well she doesn’t have much character in the first place
normal pier
main things I would go off of is stars, fightful and analytical
normal pier
and whimp out as a gag ability does work for that I think
dunno if we than try to build a usable kit around that or pick another ability
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There was an eject button whimiscott set back in the day 
Just obviously she can’t also have prankster so she’d need to have high base speed
normal pier
ye
I think you could make whimp out usable on some way
but I dunno if that really is what we wanna go off of
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I’ve used eject button myself a few times but it’s mainly best on weather users
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let's think more star based
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Golisopod despite first impression never made much use of it
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Golisopod despite first impression never made much use of it
cause it's slow mainly
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Fairy types kinda fit stars best I think
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I get the ideas was “use first impression, leave, use it again” except it’s a bug type move so it sucks
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if you attack first than switch out, it is quite good, but otherwise it's really not great
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Iirc golisopod only ever had a niche up to like RU and then never saw any serious use for VGC
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I get the ideas was “use first impression, leave, use it again” except it’s a bu...
first impression is pretty good and bug is a valuable attacking type to have
but U-Turn is just everwhere so you don't really need more
plus pollen puff
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The downside of it being a bug type move is that golisopod is bug type
normal pier
all things non bug types use
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Though water/bug isn’t the worst typing in the game
normal pier
I did suggest reducing the learnability of U-turn to buff bug types
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Pretty decent actually
But yeah if Länge has a rip-off whimp out she needs high speed and some good moves
I could see a star themed tailwind being good
normal pier
anyways
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Baby doll eyes too
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we can also just stick every star move on her
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moon blast, swift, lunar dance, lunar blessing
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100% she’s a special attacker though
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100% she’s a special attacker though
I think this whole thing will have a lack of physical attackers
normal pier
no Z moves pls
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There’s a lot of moves you could argue it’d be easy to make star themed though
Winds move for instance, just call it a solar flare or some shit
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no Z moves pls
What do you mean you don’t want Länge using Light That Burns the Sky
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What do you mean you don’t want Länge using Light That Burns the Sky
I think trying to make a good whimp out kit is the best we can do
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Moonblast, tailwind, baby doll eyes, all the star moves including swift (that aren’t Z moves)
I’ll go through the other status moves
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prolly not all
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I think lunalas special moves are a good fit
ah
not lunala
cresselia
lunar dance and lunar blessing
but moongeist beam is prolly not a good fit
substitude is prolly fun
fits and you could try to make something where you get below 50% using it and switch to an ally
oh wait
that doesn't work
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There cosmic power, lunalas, crafty shield, fake tears, topsy turvey maybe you could give her the screen moves and misty terrains
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imagine you would give buffs to whoever switches in with whimp out
and you have belly drum
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So baton pass but an ability
Could be good
Give her Geomancy 😭 😭
I mean if extreme eeveeboost eevee could make it work…
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let's not have Okry make some new abilities
baton pass has been good in many formats
tho usually on tankier pokemon
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I could see a whimp out screen/tailwind user being useful
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ye
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Fake out would be good too but doesn’t really fit her theme
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yea, don't think it would fit
there isn't much in the way of "measurement" based abilities in pokemon
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I think going with tailwind/screens/the lunar moves would be fine
Moonblast is already such a good move she isn’t gonna have issues with being useless offensively
I wish pokemon had a physicsl version of electro ball where more speed = more damage cause imagine Länge Laufen
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did I make a kit for Laufen even?
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Probably not but I imagine she’d be a very fast dps
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hmm, I think I already have made too many electric types
but Laufen should def have speed boost
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Blaziken 2
Def physical attacker
She could work as a fighting type 🤔
Vacuum wave is a priority fighting move iirc
But special so nvm
Oh wait Mach punch exist
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high jump kick
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Real and true
Stille should have minimize and Mach punch and absolutely nothing else
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any secondary type sticking out?
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I was thinking fire but not for any specific reason tbh
Just that it seems like it’s hard to find good fire type fits in frieren
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Fern should 100% be a normal type
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actually he may already be Fire fighting
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Wirbel steel type maybe
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but I think I also didn't wanna make him a Fire fighting type
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There’s also fighting/flying but that fits stille more
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Wirbel steel type maybe
????
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wirbel is like the easiest flying type in existance
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Who would be ground type
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hmm
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Edel could be a ground type acrually
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Land should be ground type
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Psy/Ground
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Psy/Ground
I try to avoid Psychic, cause it is very much a type a lot of the mages should/could have
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Would sense be a steel type since her hair is like steel
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I try to avoid Psychic, cause it is very much a type a lot of the mages should/c...
Yeah but edel in particular fits psychic very well
It’d be a crime to not have her as one
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ye
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What would ubel be
I feel like she should have dark as a secondary typing
Steel/Dark maybe with that one ability that buffs cutting abilities
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steel is also a very used type I would like to avoid
yea i think I made stark and eisen both steel
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Eisen should be ground type imo
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I made him steel fighting if I remember correctly
and the only type he should 100% be is steel
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Scharf should def be steel type since it’s his own gimmick
But for ubel it’s weird
What other type fits “cut a shit ton”
She’s GOTTA be dark type at least
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I think she could honestly just be dark mono type
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Who’s gonna be bug type 😭
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hard type to fit on anyone
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If you wanna get super specific and niche maybe draht with his threads
But that’s all I can think of atm
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hmm could fit ye
I think demons might be the best stop
but I also thought about making all of em dragon type
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Maybe all the sages are dragon type
And lesser demons get the less cool types like bug
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well all of them dragon type fits cause Frieren is Ice type
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Bug is weak to ice isn’t it
normal pier
no
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Idk I never use bug types
normal pier
bug is honestly not as bad as people make it out to be
but it's a bad type stuck on pokemon with bad stats
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Bug type Pokémon usually just have shitty state
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It’s also offensively pretty bad
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people think it's a good type
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So many things resist it
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Dragon got hard nerfed by fairy
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but dragon type pokemon are usually overstatted
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But resisting the entire holy trifeca will never be a bad thing
normal pier
pre fairy they where fairly good
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But resisting the entire holy trifeca will never be a bad thing
that is kinda the only redeeming thing about dragon currently
cause it has one of the highest non restriced BTS's
thats why
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I used for anti psyspam a while ago using a weird set
Terra dark specs snarl will just one shot any psyspam comp turn 1
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talking about psyspam
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Lot of turn 1 wins but wasn’t useful outside of that
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I was thinking making Edel a semi Indeede could fit
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Oh definitely
Psy terrain /trickroom/follow me all work for her theme
Just really really disruptive
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did you read my builds btw?
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Maybe methode could be an offensive trickroom user since they both got the hypnosis thing going on
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I’ve been Quadra tasking omfao
normal pier
^^
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Is int a replacement for speed
normal pier
yea, but I think there it's not a hard association
I would go with ghost for her first and foremost
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Definitely something physical like
Rock/ground/steel hell if we need bug types she looks like a fuckin spider so maybe ghost/bug
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Qual could be another dark type
Lugner water (?)
Linie normal maybe since all the mimicy Pokémon tend to be normal
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There's also dual types...
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And then all their secondary types whatever you want the demons to be
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Linie normal maybe since all the mimicy Pokémon tend to be normal
Linie is the easiest "just make it ditto" case
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Could make the smaller demons flying types since those are weak to ice and they do mention demons being the inventors of flight magic
Or just all dragon but dragon type Pokémon tend to be like the psuedo legendsries
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Linie is the easiest "just make it ditto" case
There’s also a surprising amount of copycat moves
Fuck it give her metronome
Serie too
Serie vs Serie metronome only
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She could sketch metronome but
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I gave Serie sketch
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It’s funnier if she just has it by default
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no serie is def not ok
was kind of the poit tho
Serie: Normal
-Abilities: Terashell
-Attacks: Sketch
[can learn every TM]
[Hp: 70, Atk: 100, Def: 60, SpAtk: 170, SpDef 170, Int: 100]```Serie BANNED from tournaments (lore accurate)
Richter is definitely an EQ spammer
I kinda forgot what genau does but do we allow manga stuff in this or no
Season 2 is around the corner
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JANUARY BABYYYYY
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we do go off manga stuff here
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Falsch could be another ghost type
Dark fits his theme too
Maybe some sound based moves
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:O
Stark should be a Dragon Rock type!
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:O
Stark should be a Dragon Rock type!
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Kraft could be like
Pure fighting
normal pier
how is that correlated to him in any way?
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Lernen would be rock type surely
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how is that correlated to him in any way?
Well
He fucked up a dragon, he got dragon strength
And he was cutting a mountain in half-
He's the only one who ain't use magic so like
Gotta get creative with him
normal pier
Well
He fucked up a dragon, he got dragon strength
And he was cutting a mountain...
you aren't what you are good at destroying usually
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Frieren should have Multitype as her ability (if yall is doin it)
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Genau dark/flying maybe
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you aren't what you are good at destroying usually <:UbelWheeze:1196077243458400...
Oh you ain't a sword type?
(rip Liz's sword...)
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Either way if you ever need hit or miss ideas just ping me Pokémon used to be my whole life
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PRIDE AND JOY MY ASS
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Either way if you ever need hit or miss ideas just ping me Pokémon used to be my...
Oh I'm still into it
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I don’t play it as much anymore but I still watch it
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sure
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If anyone should be Arceus, it SHOULD be Frieren, icl
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Arceus fits HoTs or the goddess more tbh
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Serie could be like Silvally... Or vice versa, idk
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Arceus fits HoTs or the goddess more tbh
...
Wait we see them-
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He’d definitely be like Serie where he’s just blatantly OP
The frierencord restricted Pokémon list
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Laufen could be a flying type... It's about things dat fly, but also speed and wind
So
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The frierencord restricted Pokémon list <:Frieren3:790429364570423346>
Serie, HotS, goddess, demon king, stille
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Denken could be a Fire Flying type because there ain't no Light type
(most of my knowledge is Frieren TCG stuff, I don't remember these mfs-)
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Make demon king Yvetel and goddess Xerneas
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YES.
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Denken could be a Fire Flying type because there ain't no Light type
There’s a bunch of kits in pins
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I do think sharpness fits ubel better than no guard
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I do think sharpness fits ubel better than no guard
Could be her hidden ability though
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Intrepid sword might fit someone like Revolte better
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I
Have
No clue who it is
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See now
I could Google stuff and make my own personal brain kits
But like
I'm also at the beach rn-
MY PHONE GON DIE-
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I’ll probably make a big list of good types/abilities in my own opinion for characters we haven’t done yet in a bit while I do stuff on the mc server
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(I'm at 50...)
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I’ll probably make a big list of good types/abilities in my own opinion for char...
Smort
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Starting naturally with Länge
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...
Man I ain't remember dat mf-
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Destroying your netherrack tower as we speak
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NO NOT MY THINGY-
it's not even my actual base- it's meant to be a template-
What I actually wanna make is hella big
But
It won't fit at spawn and cba
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@normal pier color change could fit Linie too if we wanna make her a bit more unique than just ditto
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She’s my daughter and she’s best girl
Also Fern is best girl what do you mean...
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Rn I’m tryna figure out what ability would fit Qual
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Is he the demon one?
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The first one they fight yeah
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Dark Ghost...
I'm feelin Dark Ghost
(I say like I'm actually involved in makin dis shit-)
Why
Am I here-
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Intimidate, levitate, magic guard, slow start if wanna be funny, are on my radar rn
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I'm feelin Dark Ghost
Definitely dark type yeah
Hamster wants the demons to all share a type
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Intimidate... Yeahhh...
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Which makes sense
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They all share dark
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Preferably weak to ice so like dragon or flying
My idea is to make the sages dragon, the lesser demons flying
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Aura is Dark Psychic with an ability like Steelworker but for Ghost...
MMMMMMM I mighta cooked
She got ghost controlling magic
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It’s gotta be annoying af
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I just
Pebble
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Minimize roo
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Gg
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I think if I remember correctly Zamazenta is the boy and Zacian is the girl
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They both have nothing...
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Ham stille should have wonder guard it’d be funny
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Ham stille should have wonder guard it’d be funny
that would be indeed funny
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Flying/Fighting has enough weaknesses where it wouldn’t be that annoying so naturally it should get minimize
I’m still on Qual ability tho
normal pier
They both have nothing...
This Pokémon has slumbered for many years. Some say it's Zamazenta's elder sister—others say the two Pokémon are rivals
Slow start would fit with him being a statue but as an actual ability…
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Slow start in general is booty cheeks icl
:O
WAIT
WHAT'S THE DEMON THAT WAS WITH LINIE
I FORGET HIS NAME
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that legendary pokemon don't have a discenable gender doesn't mean they don't actually have one
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He should be like Zoroark
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Lugner? Or draht
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I think it's Ludwig, yeh
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that legendary pokemon don't have a discenable gender doesn't mean they don't ac...
and if they are genderless boy would also be wrong 
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Dammit-
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and if they are genderless boy would also be wrong <:MachtTea:959520718649954325...
...
ZACIAN IS A GOO BOIII
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Slow start would fit with him being a statue but as an actual ability…
Frieren is already Slow start
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FUCK YEAHHH
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Frieren is already Slow start
W h a t .
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Qual slow start might fit better
Honestly stark slow start fits too because this man doesn’t fight for 10 years and then one shots them
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Wait
Laufen should get speed boost
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Ya ham mentioned that
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I’d give Qual levitate but I gave him flying/dark type
So levitate would be a bit pointless
Intimidate maybe
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Why not just pure Dark?
fallen flume
So the demons share a type
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Frieren: Ice/Electric
-Abilities: Truant, Slow Start
-Hidden Ability: Levitate
-Attacks: Blizzard, Aurora Veil, Snowscape, Freeze Dry, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Thunderbolt, Discharge, Electro Web, Charge Beam, Thunder Shock, Thunder Wave
[can learn every TM]
[Hp: 70, Atk: 90, Def: 55, SpAtk: 155, SpDef 135, Int: 95]
What in the Arctozolt...
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Shadow Tag?
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Linie could have trace as well
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Shadow Tag?
not a bad idea
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We do need a shadow tag user
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HAHA
I DID A SMART
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Ooh! What's his kit, atk or special atk?
I was thinkin huge power
(I have a list of all the abilities on Bulbapedia rn)
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I was thinkin huge power
I don't think Huge power is something I would hand out to anyone here
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Too op?
fallen flume
Pure/huge power usually go on really weak Pokémon for a reason
normal pier
oh btw, talking about you liking Zacian a lot
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?
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Qual shouldn’t be weak so it doesn’t fit him I think
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Himmel: Flying/Fairy
-Abilities: Sharpness
-Hidden Ability: Intrepid Sword
-Attacks: Sacred Sword, Aero-Ace, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Slash, Cut, Spirit Break, Dazzling Gleam, Charm, U-Turn,
[Hp: 70, Atk: 155, Def: 80, SpAtk: 90, SpDef 70, Int: 135]
My main
:)
Kraft could have inner focus... Monk don't get affected by no intimidation, hehehe
The water betch could have a buncha abilities
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Kraft could have inner focus... Monk don't get affected by no intimidation, hehe...
good idea, if we had an intimidate mon to begin with
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Tbh, I'm just goin down the list-
Anywho, Qual could have pressure
So could Frieren
...
Who's fat-
Edel could have keen eyes, I see it, I see it
Kraft could have guts?
I am
saying too much-
My baddd...
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I’m doin the aura arc demons rn
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I just didn't really have much to add anymore
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Lugner is def a water type right
Kindve a bulky water type who can heal himself but do damage too
Maybe water spout
Since in the anime he heals himself a lot but isn’t really like super bulky so high hp but low defenses
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Kindve a bulky water type who can heal himself but do damage too
Kindle...
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All the demon flying types could be replaced with dragon/whatever we want demonst o be
I made aura poison type cause it kinda fits her? Psy works too obvi but we dont have any poison types yet
We could give Aura Falinks signature move too
No Retreat
No Retreat aura sounds cool af actually
Since she does kinda do that in the anime with "I either win instantly or lose instantly"
Im prolly done for now tho
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Dragon type makes more sense
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My only objection is I think the sages should have dragon so their extra cool
And then regular demons get flying because theyre still weak to ice + demons in frieren invented flight
Either way works tho tbh
Imo it’d make sense if holy magic was fairy too
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@nimble bone @normal pier just throwing ideas at a wall
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<@600707283097485322> <@322761815165632512> just throwing ideas at a wall
yeye
I mean that is what I did as well
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Throwing ideas at a wall is fun 
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ye
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I do like my aura kit a lot with no retreat ngl I just wish there were more abilities like parental bond
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uuh I did some pretty cool fake Legends of Runeterra cards a while back I am fairly proud off
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Yeah I’ve done a shit ton of custom dnd/pokemon kits 
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dunno if you have any clue as to what any of this means, but here I wanna show em off
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Yeah I’ve done a shit ton of custom dnd/pokemon kits <a:HYPE:1174015326778822769...
I just play Pokemon dawg-
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custom kits for anyrigng r cool idgaf
This project in particular is pretty fun though
I like it more than tcg
Can’t wait to make aura Toxipex but less annoying
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actually there is something to be done with Toxipex signature ability
hasn't really been used propperly by any pokemon
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Which one?
Crits while opponent is poisoned?
You just bunker then venoshock and win
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Could work with aura
“Poison” being her scales of obedience since there isn’t really a specific ability for confusion unfortunately
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Could yall do like
Custom abilities?
For stuff dat don't exist tho
We ain't need no "hero-like aura" dat gives x3 attack
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We ain't need no "hero-like aura" dat gives x3 attack
no we do not
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Could yall do like
Custom abilities?
ask Okry
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poor Okry getting perma pinged
nimble bone
I am doing custom abilities
Imma be so real
I am not using the default typings
I made some custom typings
nimble bone
ill add more
it doesnt have to be actual races, i just wanted to call it something other than types
normal pier
hmm I guess
nimble bone
natures
nimble bone
yes bc im lazy
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aaah
nimble bone
and the "Type" confused me
and basically yeah
i am adding custom abilities as well
nimble bone
it can be renamed later
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it can be renamed later
well not really if you go with race before
doesn't translate well to some elemental system
and the whole purpose of the elemental system is to have everyone be more distinct
other than all humans having the same weaknesses
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I was thinking while writing
I am not quite sure
character like Stark are hard to fit into an elemental system
nimble bone
right now, characters and moves have different set of typings. characters have the race typing and moves have the affinity typing
its kinda weird how i did it
but wait
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and Frierens magic is only loosely tied to elements anyways
nimble bone
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I mean we can nail down a base damage type of "physical" and "metaphyical" or "magic" I guess
nimble bone
what would metaphysical be
normal pier
magic basically
I mean it would be interesting question if magically throwing a rock as someone counts as physical and thus gets blocked by physical resistance
nimble bone
the character stats are Atk, Def, Magical Attack, Magical Defense, and Speed
nimble bone
https://github.com/TheOreoTM/friemon/blob/main/src/lib/characters/Aura.ts here is an example of a character
if it helps
nimble bone
i didnt balance anything yet
normal pier
I know
I just thought it was funny how that is fairly pathetic stats in pokemon terms
nimble bone
true
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Länge stats: 2000
nimble bone
why not
normal pier
nimble bone
but lange has a 50% change at the start of the match to fall asleep for 5 turns
bc she is silly
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Stille wonder guard is mandatory I fear
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Yeah I was thinking edel gets psychic terrain
Lugner drizzle
My Lugner idea is basically just tanky kyogre but weaker now that I think about it
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Basically what im tryna say is, think of whatever you want ill try to add it
but its pokemon so one pokemon shouldnt be able to carry the entire team
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I’m a certified doubles no lifer
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🏔️ Ambient Magic & Terrain
Environmental conditions that fundamentally alter battle rules:
Ambient Magic Examples:
- High Mana Field: All techniques cost 50% less MP
- Anti-Magic Zone: Only physical attacks work, all spells disabled
- Chaos Storm: Random technique effects each turn
- Time Dilation: Speed stats doubled/halved for all characters
Terrain Effects:
- Lava Fields: Fire techniques boosted, but all characters take burn damage
- Ancient Ruins: Defensive techniques enhanced, offensive techniques weakened
- Mana Springs: Characters regenerate MP each turn
- Void Rifts: Random techniques get reflected back at caster
🎯 Hazard & Battlefield Control
Persistent effects that create spatial strategy:
Hazard Placement:
- Poison Clouds: Deal damage to characters in specific positions
- Ice Walls: Block certain techniques or provide cover
- Mana Drains: Continuously reduce MP in affected areas
- Lightning Rods: Redirect electrical attacks
Positioning Strategy:
- Formation Bonuses: Characters in certain arrangements get buffs
- Range Mechanics: Some techniques only work from specific positions
- Area Control: Control space to limit opponent options
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ok, this seems fairly removed from pokemon already
nimble bone
what exists right now
nimble bone
ok, this seems fairly removed from pokemon already
people wants custom mechanics
wanted*
normal pier
I mean fair
normal pier
hmhm
fallen flume
I don’t think we should go too complicated though
normal pier
btw, I think we should prolly just go with individual weaknesses I guess
nimble bone
i want the game to be close enough to pokemon that anyone can get in, but also have custom mechanics
nimble bone
btw, I think we should prolly just go with individual weaknesses I guess
lets do that
are we using the default typings?
normal pier
you nail down different types of damage and categorize them as either Physical or magical
nimble bone
bc otherwise we have to use the default moves and thats just a pokemon game with a frieren skin on it
normal pier
ye
nimble bone
makes sense since there arent that many characters
nimble bone
moves are already categorised for magical and physical already btw
fallen flume
If we do custom abilities Lugner could get Blood Rain that’s just drizzle but cool and edgy and red
normal pier
moves are already categorised for magical and physical already btw
ah actually yeye thats better
normal pier
I was thinking of making a rock for example always physical, but it makes sense to have element and damage type different
nimble bone
it would be category: Magical but properties would be physicalBased
normal pier
so the attack can be a rock attack that is physical or magical
nimble bone
the category is just to trigger some characters abilities and consume mana
normal pier
and if Stark is weak to rocks, but has high defense he is gonna take more from a rock that hits magically
nimble bone
stuff like that
normal pier
the category is just to trigger some characters abilities and consume mana
elaborate
nimble bone
instead of a PP system for moves, there is one big mana pool for a character
and that is deducted
normal pier
oooh
nimble bone
thats the main difference from pokemon
normal pier
nah I was thinking in a totally different direction
fallen flume
Mana for magic users, energy for physical users
normal pier
that was why I was confused
nimble bone
if a user doesnt have enough mana then the attack is weak or unable to connect
normal pier
Mana for magic users, energy for physical users <:Frieren3:790429364570423346>
stamina I guess
fallen flume
Maybe holy magic users get their own thing too
normal pier
magic users might also use stamina tho, but that may get too convoluded
so let's not
normal pier
Maybe holy magic users get their own thing too
I think simplicity is also not a bad thing
nimble bone
Maybe holy magic users get their own thing too
this is the current solution for holy magic
fallen flume
I mean the only difference it’d make is any specific moves that effect mana
normal pier
can't make it too complex
fallen flume
Wouldn’t make sense if “mana drain” drained a warrior or priest for instance
nimble bone
basically just has a holyDamage property
normal pier
this is the current solution for holy magic
yea and than you can just make someone weak to holyDamage for example
take like 50% more damage or so
nimble bone
Wouldn’t make sense if “mana drain” drained a warrior or priest for instance
that can be an ability for priests
fallen flume
Certain moves like Zoltraak could just be by default super effective against any demon
normal pier
much more like a normal rpg in that respect
nimble bone
Certain moves like Zoltraak could just be by default super effective against any...
it already is
nimble bone
normal pier
And every demon
nimble bone
the destruction affinity
normal pier
huh since when?
normal pier
all of them?
nimble bone
nah
nimble bone
demons are weak to destruction affinity
so basically thats why i added the affinity system
fallen flume
I just assumed so since Lugner mentioned it
nimble bone
and races
fallen flume
Demons at least know what Zoltraak is and how to “counter” it (they didn’t counter SHIT)
normal pier
I just assumed so since Lugner mentioned it <:Frieren3:790429364570423346>
if I remember correctly demons are too prideful to learn any magic other than their own
nimble bone
lugner moment
fallen flume
Aka basic offensive magic versus racist elf magic
normal pier
not the demon killing zoltraak
none lived to tell the tale 
fallen flume
Grausam my goat
Anyways lmk when you solidify a system so I can adjust Länge and the aura arc demons
nimble bone
ham what do u think rn of the current system
normal pier
ham what do u think rn of the current system
I think it is good except tying weakness and resistance to race
I think making them character specific adds divercity
normal pier
I think it is good except tying weakness and resistance to race
or well affinity in your case
so yea thats what I would propose to change
nimble bone
Easy enough
normal pier
you could go 2 ways with Zoltraack there
either give every demon a weakness to it's affinity type
or
just make it do extra damage to any character that is a demon
nimble bone
Isn't that basically the same thing
normal pier
it is
nimble bone
The first one is what's happening right now
normal pier
ok
I thought the last one might be easier to implement, cause you don't have to add it for every new demon
nimble bone
If I give a character the demon race then it's automatically weak to destruction magic (zoltraak is a destructive magic)
fallen flume
I mean tbh you could have a race type/skill type so someone like frieren would be elf + magic or laufen human + mage/warrior. if you want more variety could make specific skill types like Great Mage for frieren and Serie
normal pier
If I give a character the demon race then it's automatically weak to destruction...
well my proposed change was to not make weaknesses based on the race
nimble bone
I see
safe ravine
I’m a certified doubles no lifer
Blueberry Academy...
normal pier
so not every human is weak to earth affinity, that was the idea
fallen flume
Then you could just make race only be affected if it specifically says so in the move and rely on the skill types for normal weaknesses and whatnot
nimble bone
I would have to check in a move execution for specific targets then
normal pier
I mean if it's too much of a change already, nvm
normal pier
best to make it concrete what I was thinking of:
const Aura = new CharacterData({
characterName: CharacterName.Aura,
cosmetic: {},
level: 60,
races: [Race.Demon],
baseStats: auraStats,
resistances: [literally nothing lololol]
weakness: [Earth, Destruction, HolyMagic]
});
Sages should probably get their own race type I think
normal pier
and during a damage calculation, you basically check if the affinity of the attack matches with any weakness or resistance, and adjust the damage accordingly
so basically if you make Zoltraack a destruction spell and add destruction to the list of weaknesses of any demon, they will take more damage from it
but you could also say that Zoltraack is a special case, where it checks for itself if the race of the target is a demon, to add special extra damage
that was my idea
nimble bone
```
const Aura = new CharacterData({
characterName: CharacterName.Aura,
...
This is nicer
Alright
I understand now
normal pier
ye, I think I was being a bit confusing how I described what I meant
normal pier
that way you can make characters have more individual spread of resistances and weaknesses
nimble bone
I sent the technical character kit creation file and normal character kit creation file links at the top
So u know what u have access to
normal pier
I sent the technical character kit creation file and normal character kit creati...
wait lemme pin those
wait, I can't pin, could have sworn I could in this thread
nimble bone
wait lemme pin those
@hasty rock 
hasty rock
What do I need to pin 
hasty rock
https://github.com/TheOreoTM/friemon/blob/main/TECHNICAL_CHARACTER_KIT_GUIDE.md#...
Anything else 
nimble bone
https://github.com/TheOreoTM/friemon/blob/main/CHARACTER_KIT_GUIDE.md
And this
normal pier
## 🏔️ Ambient Magic & Terrain
**Environmental conditions** that fundamentally a...
this would also be nice
cloud trail
thorny saddle
oh shoot i forgot about this thread
safe ravine
Hah
wanton vector
Lange is basically magikarp except she doesn’t evolve
nimble bone
damn thats crazy
fallen flume
Lange is basically magikarp except she doesn’t evolve
wanton vector
Nice bird
safe ravine
I love the "can learn every tm", she just like Mew fr
nimble bone
Current Plans
- Add Mega Evolutions (idk what to do about normal evolutions, and idk if that is even possible)
nimble bone
@normal pier any ideas for the specific weaknesses of characters?
normal pier
<@322761815165632512> any ideas for the specific weaknesses of characters?
I don't have time atm, I'll come back to it later 
nimble bone
yea ofcourse no ruch
safe ravine
Swords Dance really gonna break the game... Basically everyone is special, so Himmel and Stark and basically all the non wizards say "haha, punch" 90% hp gone
normal pier
Swords Dance really gonna break the game... Basically everyone is special, so Hi...
being special does not mean weak physical defense
safe ravine
It usually does
normal pier
plus being able to hit the opponent hard doesn't mean they don't obliterate you back
normal pier
It usually does
sure, but so does being a strong attacker mean weak special defense
safe ravine
...
Who would build a physical attacker with special- what are we talkin about here??
Special attack Gallade, like...
normal pier
lastly, this is shaping up to be quite different to pokemon, so you shouldn't apply pokemon logic to this
normal pier
...
Who would build a physical attacker with special- what are we talkin about h...
sorry, special defense
safe ravine
lastly, this is shaping up to be quite different to pokemon, so you shouldn't ap...
...
Well fair enough
safe ravine
sorry, special defense
I mean yeah, I guess there's a few
Can't think of any from the top of my head, but still
normal pier
I mean yeah, I guess there's a few
same with special attackers having strong defense
safe ravine
That's even rarer than a phys having good spc def
normal pier
I am not so sure about that
safe ravine
That's even rarer than a phys having good spc def
We got like
Metagross and most of the pseudo legends do be tanky fucks
It's 11 pm... Bed times...
normal pier
We got like
Metagross and most of the pseudo legends do be tanky fucks
Metagross is much more invested in defense than special defense
aside from goodra all the other pseudo's are generally equally invested
normal pier
<@322761815165632512> any ideas for the specific weaknesses of characters?
well what kind of types do you have for magic?
nimble bone
well what kind of types do you have for magic?
https://github.com/TheOreoTM/friemon/blob/main/src/lib/types/enums.ts I just added some random ones rn bc i couldnt think of anything good
