Help Translate Modrinth!

[dark parcel]

unless there is for some reason a common word for that in other languages, I would likely leave that untranslated

[scenic girder]

instances.updater-modal.warning.web
instances.updater-modal.warning.app
couldn't these two be the same string but with an ICU tag?
Their content is essentially the same

[dark parcel]

seems better as two strings

depending on the language they may be formatted differently based on the word there

[scenic girder]

-# (there's just one changing word and that's what ICU is for?)

[dusty pivot]

What is it with having three different sets of translations today?

Also,where's this used?

[ebon sun]

its not out yet

top left @dusty pivot

[dusty pivot]

So it indicates the current version you have installed?

[ebon sun]

yes

[dusty pivot]

Okay, then the translation I made should work

[jolly kayak]

This is one of those "general" thingies, whats the rough context of "items" here?

[scenic girder]

i took it like a "no results", like instances.updater-modal.no-versions

[jolly kayak]

I translated it similarly to "No entries"

[scenic girder]

in italian it has been translated to "There's nothing" [here]

[scenic girder]

What is the Screenshot category? (on shaders)

[dark parcel]

for super high fidelity shaders designed only for taking screenshots and not to play with (because it'll likely run like a slideshow)

[dusty pivot]

Not gonna lie, that makes screenshot an awful description

Just call it Slideshow

Makes more sense and is imo more in line with the "Potato" one

[scenic girder]

just call it "apply this and your house will go on fire" smh

[dusty pivot]

"Makes PC cry" or "Sad PC"

[scenic girder]

the opposite of a potato pc is a quantum pc

[dusty pivot]

Quantum Tech

[scenic girder]

or just calling it "for screenshots" or "screenshot-only"

[dark parcel]

eventually categories should have descriptions

[grand silo]

v{version} is weird when using it with versions like mc1.21.11-0.8.4-neoforge

[ebon sun]

That's not what's happening

in that example it is what the mod author has put

The version name is v1.6.1.1

[grand silo]

cobblemon doesn't use v in version names

[ebon sun]

It's just a design example

It's not 1:1

[grand silo]

i mean this Update to vmc1.21.11... here should probably be replaced with Update to mc1.21.11...

[ebon sun]

It's just a Figma design, the actual impl doesn't do this lol 🙂

[grand silo]

well it's on crowdin

[ebon sun]

The PR is quite outdated btw the stuff that's in main is just the component layout

Oh wait

Uh

My bad lol, will fix that

[frail seal]

the guidelines say that you "enable a language for both the app and site when it reaches 80% completion."
may i ask how you're doing this? like is there an option on Crowdin for this, or are you checking it manually?

[ebon sun]

Manual

[grand silo]

where are tag.loader.mrpack ("Modpack"), tag.loader.datapack ("Data Pack") and tag.loader.minecraft ("Resource Pack") displayed?

[royal basin]

강여우 (gangminseoggFox) is likely using machine translation or AI translation.

[scenic girder]

either that or they know a whole lot of languages

[frail seal]

that would be six already!

[jolly kayak]

People active in these languages should look at the translations

[scenic girder]

a prodigy?

[dark parcel]

on versions that support any of those loaders

[glossy plume]

@ebon sun

[scenic girder]

Just wondering what the "Cursed" tag is meant to be used on.
I see it applied on regular mod libs

like why would these two be in the "cursed" category
and how should we even translate this tag to begin with

[rapid prairie]

It's intentionally ambiguous.

The three main meanings it has been used for are "Horror", "Experimental", and "Humorous"

[oak fulcrum]

Oh yeah, "cursed" is slang here, it means "out of place" or something.

[frail seal]

We initially translated it as "ambiguous" literally, then we went for "oddity"/"quirky"

[scenic girder]

Yeah there are many ways "cursed" can be read as

[scenic girder]

We just now changed it to "Grotesque"
-# as that's a movie genre which allegedly fits all 3 given descriptions of "cursed"

[fleet tangle]

Is it meant to be like this? https://crowdin.com/editor/modrinth-platform/12/en-da?view=comfortable#3474

Also, maybe look at #1404516213689811004 message

[royal basin]

I reverted the Traditional Chinese translations by "강여우 (gangminseoggFox)" due to numerous errors.

[fleet tangle]

He should just be banned

[warped spindle]

Can "instance" be translated as "installation"?

[dark parcel]

it would really depend on the language. they are close but I wouldn't necessarily say the same in English

to me, instance more clearly implies a separation of data while installation sounds like a technical term for the actual software installed

[frail seal]

Installation is the term the Minecraft Launcher uses for "instance"

[ebon sun]

Dealt with

[oak fulcrum]

maybe

[oak fulcrum]

Did Modrinth just skip a refresh? I’ve changed a translation and it hasn’t changed in 5 days

[scenic girder]

the category translations haven't been applied yet either

[scenic girder]

would it be alright translating the former option as "Automatic"?
some browsers do use that term

[rapid prairie]

"Sync with system" is preferred for clarity reasons but if that would be too long or unwieldy then "automatic" is fine

[scenic girder]

it wouldn't by too much, was just wondering. ty for the reply

[scenic girder]

friends.heading.active
Does this string show when a friend has a minecraft session open?

[oak fulcrum]

It's the heading for the section in the Modrinth App's friends list that displays your friends currently using the Modrinth App

[scenic girder]

Oh I see, thank you

So should the string be translated in a plural way or in a singular way?

[oak fulcrum]

Plural

[oak fulcrum]

Oh wait Modrinth Staging did refresh, the translations are there

[ebon sun]

We don't have automated prod deployments

Staging is automatically updated though

[scenic girder]

each time someone updates a string?

[oak fulcrum]

No 💀

[scenic girder]

:)

[jolly kayak]

Every monday at 6 am

[dark parcel]

those are slightly different though because they may not necessarily have different data and only use a separate directory if you make it so. Modrinth App instances are entirely separated

I won't speak for any other languages because some may not make such a distinction but others may make a greater distinction

we also use the term "Installation" within an instance's settings I believe

[oak fulcrum]

6 AM of what time zone dude

[ebon sun]

8am UTC

[oak fulcrum]

Oh so 9 AM where I live
Nice

[jolly kayak]

Also for me xD, no idea why i thought 6 am utc

[oak fulcrum]

6 ⤵️ 9
Yk
I forgive you

Lol

[jolly kayak]

Also germany?

[oak fulcrum]

France

🥲

[jolly kayak]

Ahh I see

[frail seal]

Next pull <t:1770624000:F> (<t:1770624000:R>)

[scenic girder]

timestamp for reference: <t:1770019200:t>

[scenic girder]

-# how do we always have the same ideas

settings.applications.button.add-more where is this used on?

[dusty pivot]

What exactly is a "Thread" in the context of a PAT scope?

Also, do we really need translations for the example.com URLs?
I'm pretty sure barely any language requires those to be translated...

[oak fulcrum]

They’re part of the string ‘cuz you gotta move it around in certain languages
You don’t translate them lol

[scenic girder]

?
-# i don't think rtl would make much of a difference either

[oak fulcrum]

Okay that’s weird.

[scenic girder]

i mean some languages may have their own example.com versions they may use, but...

[dark parcel]

probably a bad description. but it lets you access the project's moderation thread

[scenic girder]

a.k.a. support?

[dusty pivot]

That doesn't really help too much honestly...
I'll just leave it as-is as german afaik also uses Threads

[jolly kayak]

I used "Beiträge" for this

[dark parcel]

it is a text thread where the moderators will message you concerning your project such as upon review or on takedown

i dunno how to describe it further

if you don't fully understand what something is I would skip translating it

no translation is better than a poor one

if I were to change the English one I'd likely change it to like "Project moderation messages"

[frail seal]

"Conversations"?

[scenic girder]

-# administration

[scenic girder]

How much is the i18n coverage now?

[jolly kayak]

They have this handy script inside the monorepo

[scenic girder]

damn since last time we got 7% more

[jolly kayak]

progress

Yay I got contributor role

[scenic girder]

Nice

[dusty pivot]

Doesn't seem to provide info on per-language coverage?
Which may be a bit more useful to know than the general number I would argue.

[jolly kayak]

This is just for checking if its implemented

[dark parcel]

yeah you should be able to see translation progress on crowdin

this is for coverage of the Modrinth codebase that is translatable

[royal basin]

I don't think this is right

[oak fulcrum]

Yeah, it does that
And also if "Find a modpack. Now it's a server." isn't on two lines, Rinth goes floatin'

[grand silo]

you can try using the word joiner after 託:

使用 Modrinth Hosting 託⁠管你的下一個伺服器

[royal basin]

Why is the string on the left the same as the one on the right?

[scenic girder]

How is the date displayed on settings.applications.created-on?

[jolly kayak]

It uses toLocaleDateString() for the {date} field, which is provided by the browser: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Date/toLocaleDateString

[scenic girder]

yes but is it displayed like "01/02/12", "12 march 2035", "a year ago" or what?

[dark parcel]

shows like this I think

[scenic girder]

The string on crowdin is "Created on {date}", so it can't be this

I still think it would be better to have our own "relative dates* strings btw.. the ones given by the browser, at least for the Italian language, are rather inconsistent..
Like "2 days ago" is translated as "l'altro ieri", having the article, but "last month" is being translated as "mese scorso" and having no article (which would be required for the string)

I don't know if there's any ICU tag we can add just for this occurrence (when "last" appears in the string)

[frail seal]

afaik ICU does not support relative time

[scenic girder]

it does-ish
there's the ::relative-* tag

-# but I haven't managed to make it work properly on online ICU testers

[frail seal]

do you have docs? i didn't find nothing

[scenic girder]

the docs are a mess tbf

https://unicode-org.github.io/icu/userguide/format_parse/datetime/

[dark parcel]

oh it is like this

[scenic girder]

Oh, nice. Ty

[dark parcel]

was on wrong page

[dark parcel]

the intention was the left was supposed to be localized in your selected language while the right would be in the language itself but that's clearly broken

or maybe the other way around

[royal basin]

^ Previous screenshot
Also, it was using browser's i18n instead of "Language Name Strings"

[scenic girder]

@dark parcel (sorry for the tag)
couldn't the releative days have the number always showing?
it would solve our "articles problem", at least
(changing if the date style must be short or long doesn't change that the article would me missing in italian, apparently)
non-numeric is fine when the string is used by itself, for us, not when joining with other strings (as it happened)

[scenic girder]

i saw them being used in the analytics page of a project, where it lists downloads by countries

[royal basin]

hmm
werid

[fleet tangle]

Is the last one suppost to be {type} or {count} here? https://crowdin.com/editor/modrinth-platform/12/en-da?view=comfortable#3474

[grand silo]

i've created the PR for this: https://github.com/modrinth/code/pull/5293

[scenic girder]

-# maybe there could be an extra "toggle string" on crowdin if to enable the "always numerical" option or not...

-# also mese scorso which uses two words and 1 mese fa, the latter is shorter than the former for italian as well

[dusty pivot]

Where's this used?

[scenic girder]

What is {name} in strings like app.modal.update-to-play.update-required-description?

[dusty pivot]

Probably the name of the shared instance this seems to be

[scenic girder]

app.modal.update-to-play.added-count
also strings like this should be translated with masculine in mind or feminine? or it varies?
Who's the subject?

[dusty pivot]

I cannot see where this is a specific gender. It's simply a count of updates, adds and removals

[scenic girder]

unfortunately Italian doesn't have any genderless alternatives
e.g., for "updated", translation would either be aggiornata/e or aggiornato/i
-# but i will be using the {count, plural, ...} ICU tag instead of placing the slash

[scenic girder]

This header doesn't have a string on crowdin yet

[oak fulcrum]

{count, plural, ...} doesn't work on strings that don't have {count, plural, ...}

[scenic girder]

well,
then that's not good

[oak fulcrum]

I think "aggiornate" is good enough

You're mostly gonna have multiple mods updated and you don't like "aggiornata/e"

But then if you update one mod it's gonna be bad 🤔
-# are we really gonna have a moral dilemma over one word

[scenic girder]

"1 aggiornate" is the equivalent of putting an s at the end of a singular noun

-# like "1 mods"

[oak fulcrum]

That's what I just said
Either we do aggiornata/e or we comment an issue on the string??

[scenic girder]

i mean if i'm not mistaken i got told ICU tags would work anywhere, so...

iicr we used an icu tag where there were none and it displayed correctly?

[thorn laurel]

#1404516213689811004 message

@claude fix this

[oak fulcrum]

Yeah you're right actually

{count, plural, one {# aggiornata} other {# aggiornate}} it is

[scenic girder]

yeah it's what i used

[dark parcel]

can just skip for now, it’s not currently used

anything you don’t recognize can be skipped

focus translation efforts on the parts of the UI that are released and commonly used

[scenic girder]

#1404516213689811004 message like this missing header then

[dark parcel]

yeah, not all of the site has been converted to be translatable yet; it’s an ongoing effort

[scenic girder]

-# i mean it was weird seeing every other header being translated except for that specifically

[dusty pivot]

Hot take:
Only push string that are actively used?

[dark parcel]

that’s not really possible

all translation strings in the codebase get pulled in automatically, the extractor has no way of knowing which ones are being used in production or not

[scenic girder]

and the process of adding those to the extractor is manual?

[dark parcel]

anything that is written to be translatable is extracted

[scenic girder]

I see

[thorn laurel]

Can we have more specific context info on Crowdin, at least for some of the ambiguous strings?

[scenic girder]

someone has to get "hired" for that i've heard.
btw, sometimes i add the context in the comments of the strings that lack thereof

[dark parcel]

we'll do a context sweep at some point in the future

we're currently massively rewriting large portions of the codebase and making the designs more consistent and that may involve completely changing/adding/removing various keys so it doesn't really make sense to go through and take a bunch of screenshots that will be outdated soon

[dusty pivot]

It was more a suggestion to only add the strings to source when you actually push changes to publish/production.

[dark parcel]

that's not really possible because that would mean we write the code in a translation-unfriendly way and then rewrite it to be translatable later

[grand silo]

here are new modals in the dev build:

[storm wraith]

why cant korean language be used in production? is it because it hasnt been 100% translated?

[dusty pivot]

Iirc once it's past 80% is it used

[storm wraith]

hmm... what problem?

[weary acorn]

they have to be manually added. i'll open a pr in a sec

[weary acorn]

live on staging now, with a few others!

[storm wraith]

Could it be that the Korean language isn't visible in your region? Below are screenshots from other people living in Korea.

[weary acorn]

it will take a while for the changes from staging to be applied on the main site

[storm wraith]

okok, thanks!

[fleet tangle]

Does anyone know how often they check proofreader applications?

[jolly kayak]

Not super regularly afaik, usually all applications are checked at once, bringing a wave of new proofreaders

[scenic girder]

report.back-to-item
I just noticed this string and the comment left.
Can we get an ICU tag for this, for any of the possible values of "item" and when plural and not?
Would (help) fix the nouns problem for latin languages

[fleet tangle]

Ah ok, thank you

[thorn laurel]

The Chinese Modrinth landing page contains runts; they can be eliminated by setting the CSS property text-wrap-style( MDN ).

Traditional Chinese also has runts

[scenic girder]

This could be added as a PR

[scenic girder]

Would something like {item, select, versions {...} projects {...} other {...}} work?

Honestly all strings from report.* and containing {item} have this problem...

[grand silo]

yea, use {item, select, project {project} version {version} user {user} other {content}}

[scenic girder]

Ty

[scenic girder]

What about the plurals though?
The string goes by like "Back to versions"
should I add that case as well?

report.could-not-find
report.question.content-id
report.report-item
report.already-reported-description
Is {item} in these any name or still version, project etc?

[grand silo]

no it's "Back to version"
{item} is always singular in these report strings
i'll make PR adding {item, select} later

[scenic girder]

Is this a different string then?

[grand silo]

yea it's hardcoded

[scenic girder]

nice

going to include the plurals in the ICU anyways just in case...

[ebon sun]

Just vibecoded a tool to help a bit with context

Would something like this help?

Can properly impl if so

[jolly kayak]

Looks nice!

Would definitely be helpful

[ebon sun]

Okay, will spend 20 mins cleaning up and make a PR

[frail seal]

This looks awesome!! Do you think this could automatically generate a screenshot around the bounding box and upload it as context to Crowdin?

[ebon sun]

not worth the time tbh

this should be okay

its just a feature flag

[jolly kayak]

How will it handle stuff in non-acessible pages like /moderation?

[ebon sun]

I dont think you need to care about translating that (we are probs gonna remove i18n for the admin/moderator only pages)

lol

or do you mean project pages

[jolly kayak]

Moderation stuff is also on crowdin, but i also mean stuff like some random tax id input in a specific modal that isnt acessible

[ebon sun]

ah right, there wont be a clean way to access that unfortunately

[jolly kayak]

Okay, but i mean thats expected

[ebon sun]

@jolly kayak If you want to try it out; https://github.com/modrinth/code/pull/5313

https://git-abade8ff-frontend.modrinth.workers.dev/

[jolly kayak]

Mhm. cant seem to acesss the tool using ctrl + shift + .

Probably some german keyboard layout junk

Lemme see

[ebon sun]

You have to refresh after enabling the flag

go to /flags

[jolly kayak]

Ahh, its just a flag

[ebon sun]

after the flag you can do CTRL + SHIFT + .

[jolly kayak]

Ahh, no keyboard layout junk after all

[ebon sun]

lol

[oak fulcrum]

What are flags how do I enable them

Oh nvm

found it

[ebon sun]

Click modrinth logo 5 times in footer, then go to /flags

or it's in the user dropdown asw

This inspect tool is also in the app

will likely be avail on next app release, or if you clone and run pnpm app:dev

[jolly kayak]

Works great! The debug overlay doesnt work for some ui components, but doesnt really matter since the label and stuff still shows

[ebon sun]

yeah just live with that ;p 😄

[jolly kayak]

For being vibe-coded (at least before cleanup) this works really well

Or was it a broken mess before?

[ebon sun]

was pretty stable before

just quite messy

i just deduped alot of it and fixed some styling problems with the panel

[jolly kayak]

Which llm did you use?

[ebon sun]

opus 4.6

[oak fulcrum]

Which flag is it

[ebon sun]

bottom of the list

i18n debug

[jolly kayak]

Isnt that expensive af xD?

[dark parcel]

vibecoding is great for the things that you normally couldn’t justify spending a day on

[ebon sun]

yep

[oak fulcrum]

I don't see it, nor on Staging

[ebon sun]

?

its not merged yet

[jolly kayak]

I stopped using antrophics models after a 50 dollar bill, switched to glm 4.7 by z.ai, probably steals my data but well, at least its 6€ / month

[ebon sun]

just in preview

[jolly kayak]

I mean the cost is somewhat justified if compared to how much an engineer costs, but im just a student so china models for me

[ebon sun]

$90 a month no regrets

trialing the $200 a month version under a deal just for this month to see if its worth it

I think i'll stick with the $90 one tho

[dark parcel]

yea 200 is a bit much lmao

90 more justifiable if it saves at least a few hours a month

[ebon sun]

discount brought it down to $100 a month so its worth it for a trial ig

[jolly kayak]

Just gotta wait till the bubble bursts

Dont even know if that will be a good thing or a bad thing

[oak fulcrum]

I don't have the i18n flag

[jolly kayak]

Should be at the very bottom

[jolly kayak]

Click on the modrinth icon 5 times, it will show the current commit in the footer

[oak fulcrum]

Okay, then?

[dark parcel]

you need to use the preview link sent above

it’s not on prod or staging yet

[jolly kayak]

It shoud lead to a commit by imb11

https://git-abade8ff-frontend.modrinth.workers.dev/

[oak fulcrum]

Okay now I see it

OK IT WORKS

[scenic girder]

"vibecoded"

[oak fulcrum]

Should copy code by ctrl+clicking or something

Oh wait

You can reveal keys inline 0-0

[ebon sun]

Off by default cos kinda jank

[oak fulcrum]

indeed

it tends to go out of the screen

[scenic girder]

Kinda nice but now we need a tool to preview crowdin translations before staging/production

[oak fulcrum]

You can
With Inspect element

[scenic girder]

surely but you have to type everything manually

[oak fulcrum]

Or copy paste duh

[scenic girder]

and some inline menus are hard to be translated with inspect element because they appear only on mouse hover

[oak fulcrum]

Oooh

[scenic girder]

yes in that case i have to fiddle with tab and keyboard shortcuts jank but my point isn't this

[warped spindle]

Are these strings used in the context of something similar to

"This can:

-Read collections
-etc
..."
?

I.e. these are not instructing the user to do the action, right?

[oak fulcrum]

Staging is a LITTLE broken right now.

[jolly kayak]

Cloudflare errors ftw

[jolly kayak]

Yep, basically "capabilities"

[oak fulcrum]

OMG Thank you for adding context, I translated these two 😭😭

[dusty pivot]

In fairness, the path/translation key does afaik mention "loader", so it should be clear from that

[oak fulcrum]

Yeah I forgot to read the key :)

[scenic girder]

-# why are those strings on crowdin if they shan't be translated anyway? I mean maybe translating "Geyser Extension" (extension for Geyser) and "Vanilla Shader" but that's about it? other than "(anything) pack"

[dusty pivot]

Loaders can have a regional translation. Or the name/word they have has a corresponding character(set) in another language like chinese

[dark parcel]

makes sense to me to just leave it up to translators to do what feels appropriate for their language

[scenic girder]

project.follower-count-tooltip
in the english string both cases are plural?

[oak fulcrum]

Yeah I noticed, that’s weird

[dark parcel]

yeah I guess a bit of an oversight

[dusty pivot]

I'm tempted to make a joke about you just wanting to support plurality... but that would probs be too much

[oak fulcrum]

It's <t:1770631200:t> why hasn't it refreshed even on staging

[jolly kayak]

The bot just creates a pr, still has to be manually merged

And even then its only on staging

[oak fulcrum]

but its not on staging either

[ebon sun]

Staging should be building now, for context @oak fulcrum

• Every monday, a pull request is made automatically by our CI which contains the translations made in the previous week
• This is merged into the main branch manually, which in turn updates staging - staging is a bit broken at the minute due to some infra changes that are happening, so for now you should use the deploy URLs on the PR branch

https://git-6679ab63-frontend.modrinth.workers.dev

[oak fulcrum]

OKAAAY tysm

[scenic girder]

um?

talking about the slider at the bottom

[oak fulcrum]

Maybe the text’s a lil’ too long

[scenic girder]

I mean sure but it shouldn't be happening anyway if those are flex divs?

the slider should be the one pushing the text away (through basis), not the other way around...?

[dusty pivot]

Not related to MR, but seems crowdin had a small upate on their UI (mainly the save button and char/word count)

[oak fulcrum]

I noticed

[scenic girder]

I noticed that too,
thought my crowdin was loading an older version at first

[warped spindle]

Not sure if it's related to this update, but whenever I'm returning to the Crowdin tab after a while on another tab, I'm suddenly on the project deletion menu, even if I'm not a manager of the project, it's scary 😳

[weary acorn]

and yet they can't let proofreaders vote on strings. sigh

[warped spindle]

Well, yeah, they are meant to be the ones who approve strings.

[weary acorn]

on the polish translation our most active translators are proofreaders. the approval guidelines expect us to ideally approve strings with a set amount of votes

[frail seal]

In Italian we're lucky @scenic girder isn't a proofreader /j

[weary acorn]

voting is convenient for saying "hey, i prefer this translation over the other one, but i want to get more thoughts about it"

not being able to do it as proofreaders is kind of a wedge in that. it's infeasible to discuss every string in-depth on discord and it's annoying to not have that discussion held on the translation site itself

[warped spindle]

Yeah it is somewhat funny that even Minecraft is less strict when it comes to approvals than that of Modrinth, judging by how a lot of the proofreaders approve things

And in the case of the launcher, only approved strings appear in the launcher

[weary acorn]

minecraft has the benefit of having a much larger community of willing translators - translating is niche, and i'd wager most people aren't even aware that some of the programs they run in general contain volunteer translations that they can join in on

for every one million users/players, there will be ~300k who aren't from an english speaking country or are otherwise capable in some other language, ~10 who are interested in and aware of translations, and then they are split among the languages they speak in descending rarity

[scenic girder]

well really I don't aim to be
one or two proofreaders are enough

then if anything I just tag you for edits :)

-# which is better compared to making them of my own without confronting someone else

also I guess it would be cool for crowdin translators to get a special badge on their modrinth profile?
-# only the ones who got at least a bunch of strings approved
so people know who to blame for bad translations

[oak fulcrum]

Good idea ngl

[warped spindle]

Though it is admittedly a pain that I cannot vote as a proofreader because a lot of Indonesian translators really prefer unadapted borrowings over translated terms when it comes to recent technical terms, especially after a certain dictionary entry went viral. I can't really do anything except for waiting, approving or deleting my translation then resuggesting it so that it appears on top

Sure, translation should be about understandability, but if users understand the English terms more, at this point they should just keep using it in English.

[frail seal]

cannot add reactions in #dev-updates ?

[oak fulcrum]

I can't wtf

[scenic girder]

I can? I see yours too

[oak fulcrum]

Yeah now that there are reactions I can click the emoji to add one

But I couldn't before

[grand silo]

that's probably restricted to contributor role because i can

[oak fulcrum]

OOOh lol

[warped spindle]

I am starting to be more lax when it comes to this (I've changed all instance of peladen with "server"), but I'm not keeping basic terms with well-known translations like "user" or "e-mail" in English.

[scenic girder]

The rule of thumb is,
Translate where you can,
adapt when you must.

If 90% of people get more from the English counterpart than the translated one, then that's the way to go.
It's a localization, after all

[scenic girder]

mmm

[grand silo]

i mean this button here

[oak fulcrum]

When a role exists absolutely nothing stops you from clicking it to add it too for some reason

If there's no role you can't add one there

[scenic girder]

Oh, that

[warped spindle]

Of course, but for the most part, a lot of these terms are just English words respelt according to Indonesian orthographic rules (like keyboard→kibor), are already in the dictionary (like server) or are something that people know what that means anyway, even if the English word is more used in daily speech (like unduh for "download" or daring for "online", which are of course already used by many softwares). What I won't do is to use the English terms without adapting it, unless if it's a trademark or an abbreviation.

[scenic girder]

-# in italian most English terms regarding computers just got borrowed over and are the exact same. (computer) mouse -> mouse, computer -> computer, client/server -> client/server..."

[warped spindle]

I mean, yeah, it's almost the same for us, except that we do respell them according to our orthographic rules when necessary.
Computer→Komputer
Client/Server→Klien/Server (there's also the aforementioned obscure calque peladen for server)
Mouse→We do have a translation for this (tetikus) but it's barely used and there's no "adapted borrowing" equivalent of this word (something like mous or mos) unfortunately.

Even then, people should be able to guess what tetikus means anyway, because it's a partial reduplication of the word tikus, which means a mouse or a rat. The only complaints people have with this word is mostly along the lines of "it sounds awkward/ugly".

[scenic girder]

i wouldn't really bother using a barely used word unless it depicts exactly what's meant to depict

[next spire]

Hello, wtf is "Kitchen Sink"? Where is this used hahaha

[scenic girder]

Check the note left by me on that string

[oak fulcrum]

In modpack categories

It's slang for lots of variation

I think

[next spire]

does not seem to be one there?

[next spire]

ah

[scenic girder]

-# not to be confused with a literal kitchen sink

[next spire]

ah sorry, I had accidentally pressed out of the comments tab, I am new to crowdin

[oak fulcrum]

I'm new too lol 🙂

[scenic girder]

no biggie
oftentimes context is left there, so do check them out

[next spire]

I had somehow ended up on the terms page instead haha

used comments previously

[frail seal]

not your fault: crowdin's ui is designed for efficiency, not for user friendliness lol

-# and sometimes even the first does not seem to apply

[next spire]

Who is Babric

[oak fulcrum]

Loader

[next spire]

There is actually something called Babric? wtf 😭

I love it

[oak fulcrum]

Mod loader I think

@next spire try this it gives context
https://rinth.notion.site/crowdin-guidelines

[next spire]

I haven't gotten the update yet

[oak fulcrum]

Isn't there a pop-up asking to reload when you launch Modrinth App

[next spire]

Oh, I need to restart for that? Will try

[oak fulcrum]

And it’s not modrinth.com it’s a different website

Lemme look for it

https://git-abade8ff-frontend.modrinth.workers.dev/

[next spire]

thx

[scenic girder]

although there are different UI layouts selectable

[royal basin]

Fabric for Beta Minecraft

https://babric.github.io/

[ebon sun]

It's on modrinth.com now 🙂

[scenic girder]

auth.sign-up.subscribe.label
would it be fine calling this a newsletter?

[royal basin]

Modrinth logo for different countries/regions

[oak fulcrum]

oh wow thats a lot

[scenic girder]

Would be cool if these were used as badges on your profile or here on discord

[frail seal]

where is discord dave :(

replaced by vlc's evil clone

[scenic girder]

clv

[scenic girder]

These strings still have to be added, right?

[frail seal]

If the new locale inspector doesn't show up there, then not

[noble sandal]

heya, soo i have sent a request to be a crowdin translation proofreader, when should i expect a return (i sent the application 20 days ago)

[edgy copper]

uhm is this a good place to report on text overflow inconsistency due to a slightly long translation?

-# ill send for now :<, there’s only one

[scenic girder]

What's this bottom navbar? I don't have that

[royal basin]

It on mobile

[scenic girder]

well yes I could have figured that one out

on my device it doesn't show, does the viewport have to be smaller?

[royal basin]

Maybe?

[scenic girder]

I see it now

Hmm we have this problem too

[fleet tangle]

When was the last wave of proof readers accepted?

[fleet tangle]

Maybe needs a fix. project.error.loading

I see people have mentioned it 6 months ago

[oak fulcrum]

Oh yeah

There’s no space

[royal basin]

Just wondering, how did you take the screenshot?

[frail seal]

its because the message starts with :

[oak fulcrum]

Ah ok

[fleet tangle]

ShareX and a image effect

[scenic girder]

When selecting a language different than English, the download count gets to NaN?

[oak fulcrum]

lemme see

does not do for me

[scenic girder]

weird

[oak fulcrum]

probably a small bug, try refreshing?

[scenic girder]

Still NaN

[oak fulcrum]

dang

[scenic girder]

Is it a problem with the Italian translation? The ICU tag is right on crowdin

[oak fulcrum]

no i selected italian too

[scenic girder]

Huh

[scenic girder]

It's supposed to show 43k to me

[frail seal]

can you repro with a download count <1K?

[grand silo]

perhaps, the # converts the count to a number, but count is not a number, it's a string: "123", "1,234", "1.2k", "1.23M", so the # can only convert numbers between 0 and 999
use {count, plural, =0 {Nessun} one {Un} other {{count}}} download instead

[scenic girder]

Unlikely

@frail seal Just in case can you approve just having {count}?

[frail seal]

exactly what I suspect, seems like the octothorpe casts to a number

it's called a "number sign" after all (;

[fleet tangle]

Is it just me, or does https://modrinth.com/plus not have any strings we can translate?

[oak fulcrum]

yeah it doesnt yet

[scenic girder]

not yet
-# there haven't been new lines to translate in almost 2 weeks now

[fleet tangle]

The /plus has been there for a while

[scenic girder]

We're still missing some strings from the mod pages, eventually the plus landing page will be added on crowdin as well

[weary acorn]

there's a pr to make some stuff on the settings page translatable but prs seem to have stalled as of a few weeks ago

[jolly kayak]

I would guess its probably because the team wants to finish the server project stuff first

[weary acorn]

yeah, that's what i'd assume lol

excited to see it!

[jolly kayak]

Yee, couldnt resists to peek into the branch and server projects look fire! Wont share it here tho, would kinda be a jerk move

I mean of course the repo is public but just sharing stuff from branches that are being worked on wouldnt be fair

[scenic girder]

header.category.minecraft-server-meta
"Meta"?

[scenic girder]

tag.category.roleplay
How does this differ from RPG?

[brisk sandal]

Is this correct? can not?

[grand silo]

this "server instance" is an instance shared by a server to players who want to join the server

[weary acorn]

an RPG server is something like wynncraft (or in common server list tagging parlance anything with mcmmo/levellable skills, honestly). a roleplay server is something like avalore

[oak fulcrum]

We don't get strings for a month, boom, 128 new

[scenic girder]

You got me,
I don't know nor have played in any of the two servers

[weary acorn]

we are the translatorlings please feed us

[dusty pivot]

Is it fine to leave out the {..., plural, ...} stuff if the translation has no real difference between 0, 1 and multiple units?

Not that it breaks something...

Also, what should onder understand with "Creator Community"?
Like servers focused around or made by a Content creator? A server made by a mod(pack) dev to show their stuff?

Same for "Gens"

[frail seal]

yes. crowdin might cry but leave its weeps unanswered

[frail seal]

no, it's just all mod creators as a whole. like when one says "the English-speaking community", the group of all people who speak English

[frail seal]

likewise, if you need an ICU tag (that's what that thing is called) in a string that doesn't have any, you can add it to the translation.

[scenic girder]

It's just unfortunate that crowdin doesn't let you test the extra icu tags you implement, so it forces you to use other online tools to test

[ebon sun]

You're only getting started

Wait for the end of the week when the content stuff should be arriving

[scenic girder]

We're being fed after a month
Hooray 🎉

[jolly kayak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-woman-Vi1YAP4jJen4I

[scenic girder]

tag.category.pokemon
Is the kissing accent on purpose?

[rapid prairie]

On the key yes, on the translation no

[oak fulcrum]

YES!!! THEY FIXED THE STRINGS!!! 🎉

[dusty pivot]

Uh... I assume german (switzerland) was removed?
Because I no longer see it in the project

Nevermind, wasn't logged in

[scenic girder]

Crazy how there's italian (italy) and not italian (switzerland)
(differences between the two languages are minimal)

[dusty pivot]

(Just like german and german (switzerland) tbh)

[scenic girder]

why are these two different variables?

[dusty pivot]

Asked this in the project itself

[scenic girder]

also i see there isn't really a way to include both the type of the variable and the operation (select, plural...) in a single tag

[fleet tangle]

The reason is costs

[scenic girder]

i was talking about the icu tag

[fleet tangle]

Oh, I was reading #1404516213689811004 message

GG

[ebon sun]

Is there many differences between German and Swiss German?

If not I think it might be worth disabling it to allow another language in that's being requested

[scenic girder]

oh there i just meant in the string lines, not language on crowdin

[fleet tangle]

Is there an eta. for when proofreaders applications are read?

[jolly kayak]

Afaik mostly "Helvetisms", words which dont have anything to do with german, or slight grammatical differences. Don't think there are that many differences especially with the strings of a modding platform

[grand silo]

count is a formatted number like 1,234, 1.2K, 1.23M
countPlural is a raw number if it's less than 10000, or a formatted string if it's more

A formatted number is treated as other if it can't be converted from a string to a number. So I've added the new variable because numbers like 1,001 should be treated as one in Slavic languages

[edgy copper]

Q1: How can I test countPlural, that is would within Crowdin be possible? Wanted to see the effects of it turning into formatted past 10,000 and if it selects the correct number type and results in correct format.
-# .
Q2: When can a formatted number be inconvertible?
Q2.1: Are numbers like 2.7M convertible? The language that I’m translating, Filipino, would expect one…
-# number whose digit ending in anything but 4, 6, or 9. If 1,239 gets formatted into 1.2K, it should now read as 1,200 and be treated as one; would’ve been other otherwise
…here, normally, for correct format.

[oak fulcrum]

Well Crowdin can visualise ICU tags
At least now it can IDK

[grand silo]

Numbers above 10,000 are compact (10K, 1M) and match the other branch
I can make countPlural to be 1 for numbers above 10,000 in Filipino. Will that work for your language?

[edgy copper]

Sure, yeah, since it will be compact it should be fine 👍

[orchid goblet]

Are they removing translated strings or are they adding new ones or am I just going crazy?

[oak fulcrum]

They remove translated strings to replace them to fix errors in them

Like ”5mb”
They finally changed it to “5 MB”

[scenic girder]

project.recent-plays
Does this count same users who clicked the button twice or more, or are only different users counted?

[jolly kayak]

This is only counted when you actually launch into the game, and you can can only submit five verified plays per day

[scenic girder]

by the same users or different users?

[jolly kayak]

Same user

[scenic girder]

oh alright thank you

[jolly kayak]

I actually contributed to this, as there wasnt really any verification for this. It now uses a trick in minecrafts api to first join an imaginary server on the client and then verify if the player is in that server on the backend

[scenic girder]

So the end user connects to two servers, one being only for the check?

[jolly kayak]

The user doesnt actually connect to the server, it just tells the minecraft api (which only handles authentification for servers) its joining an imaginary server

First approach was sending the session token to verify, but that was just a bad idea from the start, its basically just the key to your account

[ebon sun]

enjoy the new strings lol

https://tenor.com/view/bees-deltora-quest-bee-meme-deltora-quest-gif-21153737

[frail seal]

WE FFFFEEASTING GOOOOOD TONIGHTTT!!!!!!

[oak fulcrum]

Holy crap 204

[jolly kayak]

[oak fulcrum]

1009 words 💀

[dusty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-blank-stare-really-what-eyes-gif-39788415241667671

[jolly kayak]

Lots of duplicated strings, not really a problem because of crowdins tm tho

[scenic girder]

content.confirm-deletion.delete-button
tell me you're the most localization-unfriendly string without telling me

[ebon sun]

Some of the ICU is tricky, apologies lol

Was the only clean way without having like 2-3x strings

[scenic girder]

for Italian in particular there's just no way to have both singular and plural in the same string

because things like "modpack" we translated as "pacchetto di mod", and its plural is "pacchetti di mod".
it's only the first word that changes, and through that ICU we can only append.

[ebon sun]

You can modify the ICU as long as the input variables are kept the same

e.g the final string doesnt need to be strictly the same structurally

as long as it works logically the same

[scenic girder]

still, for us at least it would be required that the plural or singular variant is used because we can't change the output at all...

Anything that uses the singular variant by default would sound wrong with anything different than a 1, no matter how we arrange the text to be

[ebon sun]

@scenic girder Why not just Elimina {count} {itemType}

[scenic girder]

Elimina <plural-requiring number> <singular noun>, yeah...

wouldn't work

[ebon sun]

hm okay

[scenic girder]

unless the string was like
Delete {count, plural, one {# {itemSingular}} other {# {itemPlural}}}

but then some other languages would require in-betweens, but...

content.page-layout.empty.hint
hmm even here,
some items can be masculine or feminine, but there's no way to differentiate

unless {itemType} there is always plural..?

[dusty pivot]

just fyi, your example misses a bracket after itemSingular.

Actually, there's another missing at the end too?

[scenic girder]

fixed
-# if it mattered..?

[dusty pivot]

Probs not.
But it's never wrong to have accurate examples

[scenic girder]

So far the ones I'm not able to translate right now are:

• content.confirm-deletion.delete-button

• content.confirm-deletion.header
  Reason: we don't append a letter to define a plural
  -# btw, how do strings like content.selection-bar.bulk.disabling work? do they always use the plural or singular noun or they change based on the progress?

• content.page-layout.empty.hint
  Reason: no way to tell if {contentType} is a male or female noun, unless the variable is always set to be plural - in that case we can just omit any article

• content.selection-bar.selected-count
  Reason: no way to tell if {contentType} is a male or female noun

the male/female noun thing only applies if {contentType} can be either shader or mod, though. If it can't be, then I should be able to translate the last 2 strings mentioned

but either way, why don't put {contentType} in an ICU select tag?

[oak fulcrum]

emergency variable situation

“Played {time}” 😭

[jolly kayak]

Yeah, the app update was pushed before the new translations came in. Will fix itself with the next app update

Its already {ago} on crowdin, but wasnt pulled yet

[scenic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1022256229403344917/1482173877806305432/Schermata_20260314_012853.png?ex=69b9493d&is=69b7f7bd&hm=20d5494d9d9f78da4b648923a4556c4fac888e1a21386123e16425b98de3e747&

Would it be possible to have the fake server names translateable too?
not really required but it would be neat

[orchid goblet]

Can they stop doing that? Its very annoying having to translate many strings twice

[dusty pivot]

Yeah, the project also has a lot of strings that I can only see as duplicates, as I doubt any language would have a different wording for them in a different context.

[oak fulcrum]

In my opinion keeping ‘5mb’ is more infuriating than having to translate it twice

But okay

[orchid goblet]

Not at all

[scenic girder]

You have Translation Memory from crowdin
just click the correct string and save

[orchid goblet]

How can I see which strings have translation memory?

[scenic girder]

They appear at the bottom of the page when you click on a translation, if there are any

many times crowdin itself fixes some strings automatically so you just have to click and save (like fixing the amount of spaces or punctuations if any changed from the memory)

[scenic girder]

Actually, yes (we don't have a word for changelog - so it's based on context)

[full mountain]

By the way, Crowdin has a feature for changing strings without deleting all previous translations, but for some reason, our strings get deleted and re-uploaded every time

[warped spindle]

Yeah, in the Minecraft project, a string gets updated without having to delete the previous one

[scenic girder]

How would that work in the editor?
Do updated strings show as ones that have to be translated or does crowdin not tell?

[warped spindle]

It shows up in the activities tab if a string was changed. I'm not sure if this is automatic or done manually, but approved strings usually get unapproved by Mojang whenever a string is changed so that it would be noticeable in the editor

[scenic girder]

Hmm
I'm not in the Minecraft project personally
-# maybe I should ask if I can join just to see how some translators there translated stuff more easily, but I don't think I'll get approved just for that - seeing how many already are in the project

[full mountain]

Isn't the Minecraft project open?
https://crowdin.com/project/minecraft

[scenic girder]

not really

[full mountain]

Wow, I joined a long time ago, and back then everyone could join this project

Or does it depend on the language?

I don't think so. I can open the editor in Italian.

oh

[dusty pivot]

Yay.... Having to re-add all the translated language names is sooooooo much fun......

[scenic girder]

What does Crowdin want today in particular? (I just reopened it)

[jolly kayak]

Modrinth really added all the languages for servers xD

[scenic girder]

are we sure they're all? 👀

Apparently the download button when selecting a version this way doesn't get translated

[warped spindle]

It was restricted because of vandals

The Minecraft Launcher project remains open to all, but only approved strings end up in the launcher

[oak fulcrum]

guys if the new strings are unfriendly
found a way

only problem: QA check doesn’t approve
lol

[scenic girder]

or just add a : before the tag so you avoid having to use articles

pretty sure those strings are used standalone too

[warped spindle]

As if they matter lol

I've been using Crowdin for years I don't even bother with QA checks anymore

[oak fulcrum]

same theyre so dumb lol

[warped spindle]

Sometimes they are useful when I accidentally omit/add a punctuation or accidentally typed an extra space but for spelling I always ignore QA checks

[oak fulcrum]

they underline anglicisms even though most of them are just how you say it 😭

[dusty pivot]

-_-

[scenic girder]

Lucky number

[jolly kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/old-people-pressing-buttons-old-people-gambling-old-people-gif-7532496304787656770

[fleet tangle]

Crazy

[scenic girder]

We're being fed like crazy

[jolly kayak]

This should probably be updated to link to support.modrinth.com

[dark parcel]

actually that whole key is a yikes

missed that in my review

links and formatting shouldn’t be in the translations

[jolly kayak]

Btw is this intended, since the key is settings.authorizations.empty-state?

[ebon sun]

Yes

[scenic girder]

Context of settings.billing.next?

[jolly kayak]

Will this get fixed tho? Im pretty sure I have never authorized anything but this has been there since forever lol

[ebon sun]

Probably not for a while

It's very low priority

[jolly kayak]

Makes sense

[dusty pivot]

Idk... knowing about the stuff that's authorized on your account should imo be a high priority.
Least you want is a sudden scam going around abusing this, and nobody really noticing because they can't even check if an app they authorized is turned malicious.

[scenic girder]

@oak fulcrum is it really worth adding the preposition before the name of the region, seen that they're used as tags?

[brisk sandal]

This is passed directly as a string to the description of the ConfirmModal component and will be parsed as markdown, so I kept it as is.

[oak fulcrum]

oh shoot

wait would icu tags fix it

wait is it really that bad

[grand silo]

you can probably translate it like Server hosted in this region or Server hosting region: {region}

[scenic girder]

-# (for the first time luckily it isn't a problem with Italian as we have the same "in")

[scenic girder]

It would only if the passed string is a key instead of the name, which it isn't

[frail seal]

settings.account.security.password.description.set: "Set a permanent password to login to your account."
What's a permanent password?

[scenic girder]

I guess a 2fa code is a password that isn't permanent

or just saying "don't set any temporary password like ilikedogs123"

[ebon sun]

Accounts dont need a password if they use an SSO provider (google/github, etc.)

[scenic girder]

For content.selection-bar.selected-count, would this monstrosity of an ICU tag work?

{count} {contentType, select, mod {mod {count, plural, one {selezionata} other {selezionate}} plugin {plugin {count, plural, one {selezionato} other {selezionati}} datapack {pacchett{count, plural, one {o selezionato} other {i selezionati}} other {progett{count, plural, one {o selezionato} other {i selezionati}}}```

{count} {contentType, select, mod {mod selezionata} mods {mod selezionate} plugin {plugin selezionato} plugins {plugin selezionati} datapack {pacchetto selezionato} datapacks {pacchetti selezionati} other {{count, plural, one {progetto selezionato} other {progetti selezionati}}}}``` or something like this?

As I've read, contentType is like (mod|plugin|datapack)s? or is exactly app.instance.mods.content-type-project

[scenic girder]

And as far as I see, itemType is 'project' | 'version' | 'user' | 'unknown'?

If what was just stated is true, then those 3 strings aren't as untranslatable as I thought... unless itemType or contentType contain spaces, which ICU can't handle.

[scenic girder]

This string would become ICU Elimina {count} {count, plural, one {{itemType, select, project {progetto} version {versione} user {utente} other {progetto}}} other {{itemType, select, project {progetti} version {versioni} user {utenti} other {progetti}}}}

[oak fulcrum]

Yes it works

[scenic girder]

Huh

[scenic girder]

@oak fulcrum does this work?

[oak fulcrum]

After using this thing yes it does

[scenic girder]

i mean yeah sure I tested the ICU too, just not inside modrinth. I was asking that

[oak fulcrum]

OH IDK

idk if thatd work

lemme look

[scenic girder]

For both, really. I just looked at the comments left on crowdin and at the code and saw that those variables have a list of possible options and they just so happen to be both lowercase and without spaces

hence how I made those 2 icus

[oak fulcrum]

selezionati works

but

progetto becomes progettos

[scenic girder]

which of the 3 ICUs I sent?

[oak fulcrum]

idk if thats a real bug or if modrinth needs to refresh again

uh the one that is being used

ig

[scenic girder]

which one

the website isn't updated to use the strings I just put in

[scenic girder]

so the main website doesn't use these yet

[oak fulcrum]

this isnt valid

[oak fulcrum]

this should be

[scenic girder]

Yeah the first ICU I sent was just a test, it's the second that should be working

I have no way of testing currently though

[oak fulcrum]

this is the top translation right? it should be working
maybe modrinth just didnt refresh yet
did you put it after monday?

[scenic girder]

yeah, I put it yesterday

[oak fulcrum]

then thats it
next week im sure itll work

[scenic girder]

Can we have the Unicode Shift symbol for when the Shift key is mentioned? Here in Italy how the key is called varies on the keyboard (sometimes Shift, sometimes Maiusc and sometimes just a symbol)

[frail seal]

context: content.inline-backup.shift-click-hint

[oak fulcrum]

the closest one is ⇧

[frail seal]

yup

[scenic girder]

That symbol is called "shift" for a reason (that's the symbol used) ⇧

[frail seal]

the unicode symbol is called upwards white arrow
-# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_key#Labeling

[royal basin]

Why is "Modrinth Plus" used here instead of "Modrinth+"?

[dusty pivot]

The key makes me assume it's related to billing stuff

So it's probs more accurate to have it say Modrinth Plus instead of Modrinth+ in that place

[dark parcel]

i’m not sure, it should probably always say Modrinth+

[scenic girder]

I mean, Google+ was often called Google Plus too

[full mountain]

I just sat down to translate the strings that have been added over the past few weeks. Why is {contentType} so translation unfriendly?😭
We have project-type.project.lowercase, project-type.project.capital, dashboard.collections.label.projects-count, profile.label.projects, but for some reason, in these new strings, instead of using the existing translations, we have a hardcoded "s" for the plural...🤦‍♂️

And, by the way, I see that the app only uses “project” - even if the profile contains only mods, it still says “project”. So why is {contentType} even there?

[scenic girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯
Check the comments for those translator-unfriendly strings, I, with the help of @frail seal and another comment (I forgot who posted that D:), checked the code and saw those values can only be determined ones that just so happen to be lowercase and without spaces...

so I wrote some ICUs for those that may happen to work but I have no way of testing

[oak fulcrum]

I stole his and put it in the comments check them

[scenic girder]

even if the ICUs don't work, they fallback to project anyway, do they'd be safe-ish to use

[frail seal]

I asked in the comments and someone said it's intended

I don't really understand how though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full mountain]

I think I'll wait till Monday to see if it works in your languages

[scenic girder]

I mean.. if you wait 'till Monday you'll have to wait 'till the next Monday to update your strings 🤔
(and the ICUs fallback to project anyway, so, even if they don't work...)

may as well try, if things don't go it will be project (in your language)

[full mountain]

I'm not rushing to reach 100% as quickly as possible, I'll wait. There are still many languages on Crowdin that haven't even reached 90%.

[scenic girder]

-# (our bad for being almost at 100% approval percentage again)

[scenic girder]

@full mountain congrats on the 100% translation 👀

[happened live as i was checking on crowdin]

[full mountain]

thx
I thought it would take longer

[scenic girder]

once you translate one line, the others come naturally
it's the fun of translating

[full mountain]

Yeah. Especially if you've already translated that string three times😅

[scenic girder]

excactly

more often than not when they don't have an alternate version based on context

unlike changelog (to us)

[frail seal]

six strings for modpacks, one string for this monstrosity

[scenic girder]

-# i was so tempted to make the first one different just to have 4 different translations of the same string but i preferred "quality" over being silly-

[scenic girder]

lmao

[frail seal]

we want to apologize to the whole Modrinth team, you knew better than us, lol
-# we had to change a string because the context required a shorter word. we are now thankful that the string has been duplicated after being critical

[scenic girder]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[fleet tangle]

How do you know if they have accepted your proofreader application?

[scenic girder]

you become proofreader and you can no longer vote on translations but only approve them

[grand silo]

you were probably talking about collection.label.projects-count which has completely different context

[weary acorn]

there are so many duplicates of "add password", "input password" etc in the new strings

maybe it could be worth it to roll these up to a "generic password/email/whatever prompts" ui module?

[scenic girder]

Some are labels, the other are hints, hence the two different strings (if some languages may want to change either but not the other)

[brisk sandal]

Separating them provides more flexibility

[weary acorn]

oh wait i thought that was duplicated buttons in separate flows. it's actually the button and the header

my bad, nevermind then

[ebon sun]

https://github.com/modrinth/code/pull/5621 - will deduplicate alot of the content tab and files tab stuff

I think around 60 duplicates will be cut from memory

I dont have access to the Crowdin at the moment to change the string updated logic to not wipe them - not going to be able to for a few weeks

[scenic girder]

Hoping duplicate strings that have been translated differently don't get affected

[ebon sun]

https://github.com/modrinth/code/pull/5621/changes#diff-7ffb6db49c56023d84f8bd1502f72265e86548dd29dc0c36772ce26865e933ea

The deduplicated strings ^

[scenic girder]

I see (those are quite a ton of changes in that pull)

[ebon sun]

Yeah lol, files tab in app, worlds tab refactor

quite a large update 🙂

[scenic girder]

@oak fulcrum strings should have updated in the website, can you help me check if the ICU tag there works as intended?

[oak fulcrum]

it still says «progettos»

[scenic girder]

maybe that part didn't get updated then...?

unless the s gets applied after the translation of the string

[oak fulcrum]

i have a theory and if it is correct i swear to gosh

nope ok its not an update missing

thats weird

«selezionati» is alright but

[scenic girder]

There's no way "progettos selezionati" would generate through this ICU though

{count} {contentType, select, mod {mod selezionata} mods {mod selezionate} plugin {plugin selezionato} plugins {plugin selezionati} datapack {pacchetto selezionato} datapacks {pacchetti selezionati} project {progetto selezionato} projects {progetti selezionati} other {{count, plural, one {contenuto selezionato} other {contenuti selezionati}}}}``` (it's the current one used)

so clearly that string is still using an older version? have you tried force reloading the page maybe? (Shift + F5 afair)

It would seem like it's using the first translation that was ever suggested for that string

[oak fulcrum]

thats REALLY weird and idk what to do abt it

[frail seal]

yes, you suggested that translation ~12h after they pulled the translations
-# https://github.com/modrinth/code/blob/3c3cde19089ef1d05e368e0bf87b69c9b190d7cb/packages/ui/src/locales/it-IT/index.json#L414

[scenic girder]

The ICU was left 7 days ago
tag.category.creator-community
This string 5 days ago, but this updated string is used in the website but not the ICU

-# so either something weird is happening or it's Daylight's cache

[dusty pivot]

Another day, anohter hundreds of lines to translate...

Not gonna lie, I feel exhausted

[dark parcel]

modrinth big these days

[dusty pivot]

I honestly consider to discontinue de_CH simply because I'm the only translator there and such big waves makes me lose interest

Alternative would be some way to automate it, as it's simply the same as german with grammar changes

[ebon sun]

Disabling it would save us a bit of money lol

[dusty pivot]

Imagine paying for a translation service instead of self-hosting (jk)

[scenic girder]

Omg

Overfed

[ebon sun]

https://tenor.com/view/f1-f1-movie-f1-the-movie-celebrate-lets-go-gif-7629809493611063539

[scenic girder]

app.world.server-modal.placeholder-address
Can this be translated or is this to leave as is?

[ebon sun]

Safe to leave as is

[scenic girder]

I would just have translated "example* as "esempio"

[ebon sun]

You can

up to you

[dark parcel]

example.com is a reserved domain by IANA so maybe best to just leave it as that

maybe should not be a translatable string

[dusty pivot]

example.com and a few other tlds

I think example.net is one too

example.com, example.net and example.org

[scenic girder]

Not example.com, I meant example.modrinth.gg

[grand silo]

'{name}' variables are escaped in the new strings. You should write ''{name}'' instead

[scenic girder]

(or replace with " or «» if your language doesn't use ' as default - as it is in our case)

files.upload.drag-and-drop.drop-to-upload
another instance of a string bad for translators?

unless we somehow know what {type} can be

[jolly kayak]

I thought curseforge demanded that functionality like this was removed, or was that just specifically for cf cdn links as modpack overrides?

[ebon sun]

This is Modrinth hosting

We don't lock people into Modrinth

[jolly kayak]

Ahh I see

[jolly kayak]

Wait did modrinth hosting always support content from other providers?

[ebon sun]

Only CF but it's hidden away as it's not entirely stable

And it's quite literally just for server packs

[jolly kayak]

Must be a pain converting between modrinths formats for stuff like modpacks and how cf does it right?

[ebon sun]

Server packs aren't standardized on CF

They're literally just a bunch of jars and a server jar + configs afaik

[jolly kayak]

Mhm okay have never looked into that

[scenic girder]

what's {fileType} in files.upload-dropdown.file-uploads?

and what's {type} in files.upload.drag-and-drop.drop-to-upload?

files.operations.extracted
is size a number or does it contain "MB" / "GB" etc?

[full mountain]

✨ « » ✨

[scenic girder]

aren't those used for quoting a speech/text?
-# as far as i've learnt

[full mountain]

In Ukrainian typography, these are the only correct quotation marks

[frail seal]

Italian does that yeah, but it's different for other languages

-# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Summary_table

[scenic girder]

Just saw 1518 is translation-unfriendly as well

[grand silo]

It seems the new files.upload-dropdown. strings are from a component that is no longer in use? (FileUploadDropdown.vue)

[scenic girder]

@oak fulcrum could you check on that string now that it's Monday again?

[oak fulcrum]

progettos

HOWEVER

there is an update
i downloaded it

progetti 🎉

[scenic girder]

Oh, hooray

Does it work for the other types too? Or just project(s)?

[oak fulcrum]

idk how to get them

[civic nova]

I’d like to translate Modrinth into Bangla. Can anyone please add it to the Crowdin project? My username is PixelatedLevel

I cant ping

[scenic girder]

currently, to reduce costs, languages are limited to most widespread

[dusty pivot]

Shared it on Crowdin but share it here too:
The string files.conflict-modal.overwritten-label has 2 main issues for me:

1. The word "overwritten" is in the past, but the context shown (Thanks jerozgen!) shows it more to be the future? Like the displayed UI seems to be more a confirmation screen BEFORE you perform the overwrite, not a summary of what has happened.
2. The word is hardcoded to be at the front, which with its past tense makes it harder for some languages to translate without sounding wrong. a placeholder for the file path would be great to have here.

[jolly kayak]

Strings using {contentType} (e.g. content.page-layout.empty.hint) just use the content type string and add an s to the end, which doesnt work in most languages

English works since "Project" + "s", but for example in German it becomes "Projekt" + "s", even tho the plural should be "Projekte"

Maybe it would be better to just use project-type.project.plural here?

[ebon sun]

<@&997710629630652426> Would it be possible for you to put any strings which are badly set up, e.g like the above, into this megathread so we can keep track? https://github.com/modrinth/code/issues/5734 Thanks!

[jolly kayak]

Yep sounds good!

[scenic girder]

It's supposed to be a summary like the changelog of a modpack

Removed - modname 
Updated - modname```
so for me it wasn't an issue to follow the same rule

[scenic girder]

for this string for now I'm just using a monster ICU which seems to work lmao

[jolly kayak]

But the s is still added right?

[scenic girder]

The ICU filters that out

[dusty pivot]

Yeah, but the formatting it has makes it look odd... Like it has no dividing line line your example.

[scenic girder]

This ICU, to be exact

[dusty pivot]

And the UI is before you actually perform the action, so a past tense makes not much sense

[scenic girder]

I mean, just check the image left in the comments of that string? It does have it

The distinction of the two strings is pretty clear, had no issue translating to Italian

Wouldn't Überschrift: Mein Mod work?

[dusty pivot]

I don't see it that clear

The white for the path could just be highlighting it be for me

[scenic girder]

How did you translate the Added/Removed/Updated strings of the same context?

[dusty pivot]

And having it in past tense doesn't make sense, since that UI seems to be before you actually do overwrites

So having it say "overwritten file" is weird

Where "overwrites file" is clearer

[scenic girder]

It's a summary of what happens after you click the button, so both would work...?

[dusty pivot]

I just feel like future form fits better as past just sounds like as if it already happened

[scenic girder]

Maybe for this context in particular yeah. In the modpack changelog, the update already happened

[dark parcel]

changelogs are pretty much always written in past tense, because the changes happened in the past

[scenic girder]

Is the box of the changes that will happen after the user presses a button something that happened in the past? 🤔

[dark parcel]

the changes to the version you are updating to happened in the past

it is the answer to the question "what changed in version x.y.z?"

the answer would be past tense

[scenic girder]

That menu appears when extracting a file though, as I happen to understand

[dark parcel]

hmm

[scenic girder]

"extract summary"

[dark parcel]

might be an error then since this modal is used for mrpack changelogs too

[scenic girder]

Can it ever happen that there a project gets the overwritten tag instead of updated?

[austere forge]

who punged

[dusty pivot]

.

[ebon sun]

Its not

That modal is still seperated

It's just the UI design that's mimicked (need to deduplicate in the future)

[dense parcel]

Oh gosh I have to look through the translation files because English upside down is not on the translator website thing that I forgot the name of

[scenic girder]

crowdin

[fair gust]

absolutely, will do this asap

[dense parcel]

thanks

[lapis stirrup]

sure

[civic nova]

huh? Bangla is 7th most spoken language isn't it there?

[full mountain]

Most of the languages that were removed earlier had been on Crowdin for quite a while. If your language had shown some activity during that time, it wouldn't have been removed🤷‍♂️
We all had the same chance of staying in the project at the beginning, my friend

I think that over time, many languages will get a second chance, but for now, that's just the way it is

[scenic girder]

I'd wait for the whole website to be translated first, all the strings to be fixed etc..
then focus on adding more languages

[jolly kayak]

Might be pretty impossible tho since some languages barely have any activity

[scenic girder]

I meant modrinth, not us

[jolly kayak]

Ahh yea, thats fair

[scenic girder]

the whole website isn't translated yet, many likes are still missing and some have errors in them that make them incompatible with translations

-# hence the pinned message

[jolly kayak]

Theres pnpm scripts coverage-i18n to check

Thats seems a bit very low tho

Idk how accurate it is

[scenic girder]

how are we still at 26%...

Like sure all the news page and all the projects, but other than the Modrinth Plus page what more are we missing? 🤔

[jolly kayak]

Im pretty sure its per-file

So probably a bunch of components with very few or just 1-2 strings

[dense parcel]

Can that list what the strings are and what file they are in?

[jolly kayak]

Yep, using the --verbose flag

[dense parcel]

wait would that automate getting a list then?

[ebon sun]

Yes, plan is when I have some free time to chuck that verbose list into an LLM and just get it out of the way

[scenic girder]

What would be the benefit of doing that?

[dense parcel]

so you have a list of a lot of text that pnpm sees as not translated maybe?

[ebon sun]

Saves us like... hours of going through each component by hand

[scenic girder]

Would an LLM be able to parse all the files and adjust them all correctly?

[dark parcel]

yeah this is the type of pattern matching they excel at

since there's no creativity just applying a process over and over

thousands of times

[scenic girder]

I see
(so like if they were running a regular script on every file?)

[dark parcel]

basically but one that automatically adjusts itself as needed for various edge cases

[scenic girder]

TIL about the word glossary
nice

[scenic girder]

My first two glossary adds I did by mistake though, but I can't delete them

[weary acorn]

i don't think that's good lol

[rapid prairie]

huh?

looks fine for me

[jolly kayak]

Its up for me

[jolly kayak]

Wait no, the crowdin project itself is acessible but the error happens when opening the editor

Did modrinth forget to pay the bills lol?

[rapid prairie]

@ebon sun

[ebon sun]

Uh

It's being looked into

I don't have access

[dusty pivot]

lol

[scenic girder]

works fine for me now

i can access the italian editor

[dark parcel]

yea we ran out of strings. upgraded for now but might cut a few inactive or not-super-necessary regional variants

[scenic girder]

-# and maybe to start using more ICU tags for some strings

[dusty pivot]

I would be fine with de_CH being one of those candidates

[rapid prairie]

swiss german, finnish, serbian, and thai will be cut

[scenic girder]

How many strings would the cutting save on?

[rapid prairie]

a few thousand

[fleet tangle]

"Only a few thousand" xd

[honest forum]

When bar language 🙃

[rapid prairie]

Barbarian? Lol

[honest forum]

Bavarian 🙂

[elfin agate]

Viennese is fun

[scenic girder]

Can {verb} in servers.listing.notice.pending-change be replaced with {verb, select, downgrade {downgrade} other {upgrade}} like the other strings?

[ebon sun]

Pins!

[scenic girder]

oh, right.

[scenic girder]

@oak fulcrum
servers.listing.notice.pending-change

The source string is supposed to be USA English yet here there is 'favourite'

you left the comment on the wrong string?

[oak fulcrum]

huh

no i didnt

[scenic girder]

what's the message supposed to mean then?

[oak fulcrum]

its the right string

[scenic girder]

oh i pasted the wrong key but meant that message, yeah

[oak fulcrum]

can you not see the string says 'favourite'

thats not US english

it should be

[scenic girder]

ah, bruh. noticed it now lmao

[scenic girder]

you can probably put it here

[oak fulcrum]

done

[jolly kayak]

ICU straight from hell

[scenic girder]

-# as if mine wasn't worse

[jolly kayak]

Is Italian even more complicated?

[frail seal]

comparable. I think @scenic girder was referring to this other ICU string #1404516213689811004 message

[jolly kayak]

Ahh I see

[frail seal]

you'll notice it nests two tags - contentType and count

just like this one tbf

[jolly kayak]

But at least icus make it so you can put things like articles in them

[frail seal]

ICU gets the job done 90% of the time, i just think a clearer format could hypothetically exist

something closer to real code maybe

[jolly kayak]

For example the language disclaimer uses a string with a placeholder for the platform, which doesn't work in many languages where the article changes between "app" and "website"

[jolly kayak]

Yeah icu is fine

[frail seal]

that actually happened in italian

[frail seal]

we ended up just using platform iirc, instead of making the distinction

[frail seal]

even if it was only ternary expressions

count > 0 ? "{count} selected" : count = 0 ? "None selected" : never

[scenic girder]

actually i was aiming to make this even more of a longer icu in italian

because rimanente/i changes depending if any singular value is a 1 and the rest is 0,
but then i just decided to make the e/i vary depending on just the {second} value

[frail seal]

(count > 0 ? count : count = 0 ? "No" : never) + getType(type) + "available"

Like, a format that allows you to define macros, to combine strings, to assert that a variable cannot have certain values, etc

kinda utopic but one can dream lol

[elfin agate]

ejs does this (mostly)

[placid mango]

Hello! Could you add the Catalan language? It's a language spoken by 12 million+ people in Catalonia, parts of Italy and France, and in Andorra.

Can't ping due to automod.

[scenic girder]

many languages have been removed because the montly costs of Crowdin have been getting high, so languages that are (gretly) similar to others won't be included for now (catalan - spanish)

[placid mango]

if you were to say that to anyone in catalonia you'd probably get shot haha, but yea i understand

[elfin agate]

if the reason is really that crowdin is expensive, perhaps modrinth could self-host something like weblate instead?

[dark parcel]

weblate is pretty horrible sadly

[frail seal]

@ebon sun I noticed that Crowdin has introduced a new native Style Guide feature:
-# https://support.crowdin.com/style-guide/
You might want to consider moving in the guidelines that are currently on Notion.
That feature also allows language-specific guidelines, and probably you can assign us proofreaders as editors for our respective langs.

[royal basin]

What's wrong with Weblate?

[weary acorn]

no translation memory, only one string editable at the same time, poor search features

very, very slow

[potent skiff]

hmm

[weary acorn]

i've used it a bunch because prism uses it and it really does suck

we have to ressurect loqui, trust

[scenic girder]

tbh crowdin is fine for me,
i saw some users using a self hosted crowidn business thing,
wii hacks guide uses it

idk if it would cost more or less

[dusty pivot]

Modrinth gives us an entire word to translate.... We're getting spoiled guys

(jk)

[scenic girder]

Fr???

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-slicing-bread-mickey-mouse-gif-22832013

[dusty pivot]

the fact I saw this cartoon as a kid...

[oak fulcrum]

technically three
ha

[scenic girder]

a word of 3 letters

[frail seal]

have you seen how expensive that word is?!?!! be grateful we're getting money spent on us

[scenic girder]

-# i nid to find out y pokimon cardz r so exPENSIVE! Computtor-
-# - Dexter

[ebon sun]

You guys are not prepared for the server panel i18n pr

[scenic girder]

-# how many strings are that-

[edgy copper]

me falling behind @-@

[edgy copper]

for editing strings, wont Zen mode allow the similar columnar editing on Crowdin?

-# it seems my message with link to official weblate docs seems to have disappeared(?), anyway xd
for search, both seems to have what I needed (filter state, source and translation matches)
could check docs see what is missing that Crowdin has
-# Searching - Weblate 5.17.1 documentation

-# yeah no, addng link gets deleted xd

There’s a page about its (Weblate) Translation Memory, which I just learned just know…
-# i cant link so deal with it /silly
-# Translation Memory - Weblate 5.17 documentation

[edgy copper]

considering Zen mode now available, I find the paging on Crowdin slower

[dusty pivot]

Why do you write so much in small text? It's a bit odd to read tbh

[edgy copper]

it’s a me thing sorry xd

[dusty pivot]

understandable. I have a habit of writing a lot of text with ... at the end

[edgy copper]

i think I often use it as notes or when placing links since they get big (esp for mobile)

[dusty pivot]

I'm a bit lost on what "All Years" means...
Like last/current year or all years combined?

[ebon sun]

It's analytics

So all years is just every year you have data

[weary acorn]

shouldn't that be "All time"?

[ebon sun]

All years [combined]

[ebon sun]

Yes, but not really a point in changing it when the entire analytics stuff is being refactored atm

[scenic girder]

-# so what was the point of adding it on crowdin?

[ebon sun]

someone made a pr ;p

lol

[scenic girder]

-# Giving us more work to do just for there to be no work to do /j

Speaking about the new lines added, the strings that talk about adding a Discord link to the project... must it be Discord or any other social the project chooses to use?
giving more platform options may be a good idea

[oak fulcrum]

app.creation-modal.installing-modpack.description
Ok why is this a string 😭🥀

[scenic girder]

it's the best string we could have got
so easy to translate, too

[dense parcel]

I think the translation is app.creation-modal.installing-modpack.description

At least translating from English to crowdin string id

[dusty pivot]

Not necessately a translation-related issue, but creation-flow.modal.setup-type.instance.description has this:

An instance is a Minecraft setup with a specific loader, version, and mods.

This implies that an instance always has mods, which may not be true here. An instance may either be one with just the loader, or just vanilla itself, even if importing from other launchers.
So this line is kinda misleading here.

[scenic girder]

An instance is a Minecraft setup with a specific loader, version, and, if present, mods.

-# idk

[elfin agate]

maybe with this phrasing "if supported" or something like that would be better, as "if present" is just redundant for "with"

[royal basin]

Using the word "Upload" in content.page-layout.upload-files feels a bit off since nothing is actually being sent to a server. "Import" might be a better fit.

[ebon sun]

We're actually in the middle of doing another design iteration on the content management page as we're working on linking app instances to upcoming Modrinth hosting instances, still quite far ahead though but I'll note it down

[jolly kayak]

Are there any plans to add MT's like DeepL to the Crowdin project in the future, or is that not currently being considered?

Would make translating so much more convenient, especially for short 1-2 word strings where a machine translation could simply be accepted as the correct translation