made barong into typhon
#Tri-brigade Fire king
solid rampart
how is one garunix
cinder folio
lol, they took the bait, i revolted for ferijit
they used it instead of typhon to make mirror
i'm so dead
but it was funny
i mean i've played one game
solid rampart
😂😂😂
cinder folio
and i used revolt to get garunix back in gy
we'll see how i feel
not sure what i'd cut for the 2nd
maybe fraktall
cinder folio
it mainly comes up in beatdown or if 1st is banished after revolt
cinder folio
literally 1 game XD
cinder folio
i'm currently on turn 6 of game 1 against labrynth red dragon archfiend
T_T
rip, had a risky fraktal hand and had to go kerass for 4, imperm
other cards were tenki (got 2nd fraktal) druis, droll, talents
funfun
solid rampart
what does zealantis do for your endboard except let you search with shuraig
cinder folio
<zealantis>
arctic isleBOT
<zealantis>
Limit: TCG: 3 / OCG: 3 / MD: 3
Master Duel rarity: 
Ultra Rare (UR)
Type: 
Sea Serpent / Link / Effect
Attribute: 
WATER
Link Rating: 4 ATK: 2500 Link Arrows: ⬅⬇➡⬆
cinder folio
it has a 2nd effect
just used it to nuke my opponents 😛
opponent summons mo ye
i imperm mo ye
tale as old as time
rip
2-0
i feel like swordsould is super dead to fire king
it's basically make the level 10 going first or lose, even then
ocean crest
Went 4-1 at locals with Fire Brigade
cinder folio
i only have 1 honest question? why would you run 2 kerass?
even in normal tri lists that's questionable unless it's pure
ocean crest
I mostly netdecked it was my first time
cinder folio
light-heart doesn't do much, replace with almiraj
it lets you convert kitt into smaller combo
ocean crest
Matchups were salads, fire king snake eye, crimson structure, centurion, 60 card lab.
Lost to 60 card lab.
cinder folio
it doesn't do much of anything
it was a desperation card when i started using it in tri spright
ocean crest
It would have come up
But I got skill drained
But yeah I’ll have to retool
Decks fun as fuck
cinder folio
it's ok in tri spright because you can convert kitt or kerass into elf/sprind
here it at most gets you ferijit
there's too little ED space for it
if you're set on it replace linkuriboh for almiraj
cinder folio
current list i'm testing in omega after a bunch of discussion:
cinder folio
ex everything tri player here XD
birds, pure, zoo, spright
branded
the branded one didn't last long, it was so clunky even with verte
the only things i'm skeptical on in my list is the 1 garunix, and the heatsoul package
i've yet to try the heatsoul combos
cinder folio
ip is nice
the issue is it basically only exists to make SP in this list
which tbh is a good play
ocean crest
I mean yeah there are times I did a full combo and I say a line to make 2 appo charge and I:p
ocean crest
But I made 4 appo
cinder folio
this is the playlist i'm referencing to try this list: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeftmPG9EBg_iLBS57gIZi_7VsRZQK7HD
even if you don't use zealantis or heatsoul, it'll give you ideas on sequencing
ocean crest
Wait how did zealantis move down xD
cinder folio
<zealantis>
arctic isleBOT
<zealantis>
Limit: TCG: 3 / OCG: 3 / MD: 3
Master Duel rarity: Ultra Rare (UR)
Type: Sea Serpent / Link / Effect
Attribute: WATER
Link Rating: 4 ATK: 2500 Link Arrows: ⬅⬇➡⬆
cinder folio
they shortcutted the banish and just moved the cards
ocean crest
Oh I see
cinder folio
putting it into co-link enables the other effect
the nice thing is if you have revolt that's up to 3 pops in battle phase
cinder folio
i'll attempt to answer questions, but the videos were made by vagabond, the OP of this thread
oh man
ya
cinder folio
it's great if you also have sanctuary ya
just summon a fire to pop to protect island
the only time you want island leaving the field is if you do it on purpose 😛
void charm
current list i'm testing in omega after a bunch of discussion:
Garunix at 1 kinda scary
polar pilot
I miss rugal in there. And I agree that single big bird looks scary. But we do have revolt to recycle him in worst case. I'll stick to 2 tho I guess.
cinder folio
Like I said before, I'm testing stuff out, and it's one of the things vagabond suggested so I thought I'd see how it went
void charm
Like I said before, I'm testing stuff out, and it's one of the things vagabond s...
How dare you test things? The sheer nerve to want to help figure out the deck! Why i outta
merry spire
Fire King Consort Ulkanix
Will this card be useful for us?
And how could a deck profile with this card look like?
woven rover
What does rugal do for the deck? Like his purpose I guess?
drowsy horizon
Recursion, bad hands, link climb to access code
merry spire
Damn i got ignored
shell wind
Fire King Consort Ulkanix
It is wierd
Unlike ponix or Fraktal It is not a starter by it's own, but combined with any Fire it is a extra ponix
worn harness
So what does zealantis do? Is it just a way to get to ponix?
merry spire
@shell wind but Chances are high to draw at least one extra fire
drowsy horizon
Battle trick and helps protect SP knight
drowsy horizon
<@303654280290631680> but Chances are high to draw at least one extra fire
I'm excited for it
shell wind
It Will be like Moye in swordsouls i think
cinder folio
So what does zealantis do? Is it just a way to get to ponix?
people need to read the 2nd effect of zealantis
merry spire
@drowsy horizon how would you adjust ur Deck?
shell wind
What i'm not sure It is if we Will run the OG garunix
cinder folio
but other than that, yes, it summons over shuraig in 1 card instead of doing a link 2
also i found out my other place i go for locals has no locals the next 2 weeks T_T
shell wind
It is a brick but gives us an extra body that can make a board wipe
cinder folio
so online testing for me
so play raigeki
(yes i know its searchable)
also
it's an incredibly slow board wipe
shell wind
I mean with Ulkanix
cinder folio
ah
drowsy horizon
<@186588157179985920> how would you adjust ur Deck?
I'm not sure yet
shell wind
She specials him from deck after being destroyed by island
cinder folio
i dunno
i feel like her main effect is good enough
summon to add any fire king, kitt, or fraktal to hand
it would actually give us a good normal summon
actually, ideally you normal this with kitt in hand
pop kitt, add ponix
though that's ulkanix + kitt + tri type
wait
if you add ponix in this case it specials itself
cinder folio
then you search for sanctuary, you can link ulkanix and ponix for ferijit
shell wind
Any combo of ponix + anything is her + anything
cinder folio
it makes the fire king pop awkward
shell wind
But she cant work by herself
shell wind
Yep
cinder folio
link garunix and the other for ferijit
ferijit summon kerass/fraktal (whichever you added) then banish 2 for bearbrum
3 mat apo + revolt + sanctuary setup
btw, that discussion last week of which winged beast we would summon off simorgh link if it was ever unbanned?
her
like if simorgh survives to end of opponent's turn, at end of their turn summon her
shell wind
Oh yeah
cinder folio
the issue: she's not coming out for a long-ass time
drowsy horizon
Probably gonna throw Zealantis in and test. Not feeling the heatsoul and almiraj though dont wanna commit to those
cinder folio
almiraj is worth running alone if you can fit it
for hands where all you have is normal summon kitt
it gets you to 3-4 mat apo
if 3 it's with revolt, if 4 without
wait no
both are without
correction, it can only produce 3 mat apo, i'm dumb. and that requires another tri-type monster in hand for kerass
i forgot almiraj is a stupid cyberse, so it can't contribute to the apo
if you're willing to discard 2 cards it's 3-mat apo with revolt, but then you're at 1 card left in hand
which gets put on bottom of deck when you add revolt 😛
worst 5-card combo ever
realisticaly if the hand is something like kitt + arvata/barong/garunix (hopefully not garunix if you're running 1) you: NS Kitt, Link to Almiraj, Kitt send Nerval, Nerval add Kerass, kerass special sending the other guy. kerass banish 2 for ferijit, ferijit does nothing unless you have a 3rd XD so pray you do, summon it, 3 mat apo, and draw 1 put one back, 2 cards left in hand
the more i think about it, the less likely i think it's possible for this hand to occur
you need 3 tri types in hand...one of which is kitt...and you can't do any other combo?
i guess in that case almiraj alone is only really great for follow-up turns when your gy is stocked, or these ultra specific bad hands
(and this kind of quality rambling is how i got to be 50% of all posts in this thread 😛 )
solid rampart
look at our designated yapper go
cinder folio
i did the math it's actually like 46% ish
also we passed 3k posts when like a day ago we had 2k
solid rampart
i need to start running the calculations
i was hoping we had a resident math major in here to do it for us
cinder folio
the issue is you can't search by thread, just the whole #1147839359689695273 forum
but i've maybe posted like 1 time in another thread?
i'm a compsci major, i make computers do math sometimes
solid rampart
it’s your time to shine lol
drowsy horizon
Yeap that's why I don't run Almiraj ha
Cause it's like, I'm able to play, technically, but at what cost lol
solid rampart
yeah ns kitt into almiraj just feels bad
cinder folio
it's kinda just setting up for if you don't die more than anything
add fraktal instead off nerval, pray you don't die
with that explanation alone, ya cut almiraj if you don't have a specific plan for it
cinder folio
scroll above my ramblings to see some discussion on that
but yes
that card is at least 6 months away
shell wind
If you play Heatsoul you need It 😔
I Will test It tomorrow
It is like 4 slots,without it we have that 4 slots free
drowsy horizon
It is like 4 slots,without it we have that 4 slots free
Yeah that's my problem. Like which will come up more Heatsoul or the extra utility of those 4 slots?
Heatsoul and Sunlight wolf aren't bad. Just the other 2 it's like ehh
cinder folio
the main use of heatsoul is the same as in any deck tbh, card advantage
though on top of that, for us it's a fire on field to pop for kirin
drowsy horizon
Right, even in Race I didn't go into it often though
Matchup dependent i feel
Hold on, what 4 cards do we need for it? Heatsoul, Sunlight, Almiraj and?
Linkuriboh?
next kelp
current list i'm testing in omega after a bunch of discussion:
is the crow searchable ?
shell wind
Yep
Omen can search any tri-type with level equal or lower of your tri-type banished
In really looong games i was able to search a Kirin with its effect
shell wind
I usually play him
Easy access to Accescode
It can give you some endboards
Also the revive effect allows to use revolt in better spots
cinder folio
The real argument is space
Accesscode is cuttable because the deck craps out big monsters
shell wind
In fact
In order to play heatsouls i cut it
The list that i will play tomorrow
Ferret is in the side to be a time card
I found it a bit better than Fenix+Scatter
As if you have like 5 min, the standar combo is really short
So you can set up a good field with apo
And during your op turn if they try to go to battle you can pop one monster plus you do 500 of burn
Also you can recicle it with arvata
So it will be poped again and will do 500 of burn again
Also works for time going second better
As it is a breaker + burn
polar pilot
Rugal imo is vital for when you eat a handtrap and can't get to apo Bc of that. He revives any Tri type and if it survives til the end you get it back to hand too
Ferret imo has the big disadvantage that you need you opponent to have something and destroy it as well
shell wind
Yep
polar pilot
Slot efficiency is an argument tho. But relying on your opp to do anything is always bad. Also getting into your mp with a minute on the clock happens to often
shell wind
But if you go to game 3 even it is like 10 min left it is worth
Yeah
I have to test it
cinder folio
just be me
time rules aren't real
they can't hurt you
(i hate playing cards for time)
had the best game 1 against centurion
lost the coin toss, had kirin, arvata, garunix in hand. i summon kirin destroying arvata, garunix summon destroy kirin from deck, kirin summon arvata, pop primera
game 3 they spend the whole turn fucking me over as i keep interacting with the board i made (even forced me to use sp to banish itself and zealantis since they had cosmic for island)
they did all this stuff, ending on only SP (they used fenrir and king of the swamp as material) then the moment my sp and zealantis returned they surrender
tidal quartz
I see the shorts were referenced again, I was gonna do the long video today but got carried away with some Orcust and infernoble combos hahaha
tidal quartz
Rugal imo is vital for when you eat a handtrap and can't get to apo Bc of that. ...
I don't see a scenario where rugal applies, you usually just make sp and that alone baits BP and you live a turn
cinder folio
i've yet to remember to try heatsoul combos when practicing (mainly because i forget how to do them/when they come up), but i will say converting shuraig into zealantis alongside sp has been neat
i feel like it vaguely loses to reading
then again if someone reads it and reacts because of that, it's done something
zealantis + sp is a funny combo because it solves the built in issue sp pass has: NS go to battle, kill SP
now they go to battle...and zealantis pops the monster
does using sp to banish something and itself turn off zealantis? sure! but that SP wouldn't have done anything if they just went to battle and killed it
(if you also have revolt set that problem is solved since you can co-link shuraig to it)
void charm
i love this deck, like a whole lot
gleaming sluice
love this deck, hate droll and lockbird
void charm
trueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
drowsy sleet
Normally I’m not a huge fan of “I play on your turn” decks, but this deck more so just sets up your interruptions on your own turn (and not too many to begin with), it doesn’t actually play on the opponents turn like Floo.
drowsy horizon
Which matchups is Zealantis preferable to Apo?
I guess something that lives or dies on monster presence
tidal quartz
Which matchups is Zealantis preferable to Apo?
Zealantis purpose isn't to replace apo, if you have the apo line it's apo always, zealantis is a combo piece to blend Tri a FK easier
drowsy horizon
Ok so the Fraktall + Tri type combo if you had another card in hand you would end in Apo?
So I guess Zelantis lines are a fallback when you have minimum hand
I think 2.5 card combos as they call them, would be helpful to illustrate too. So Fraktall, Tri beast, anycard
Cause in the Fraktall + Tri combo, usually I skip the zelantis and go into Bearbrumm, then summon Ponix
Most Tri combos have the ".5" because it's assumed you have a card to put back for Revolt since that's usually the aim. These are helpful tho when the situation arises
tidal quartz
Most Tri combos have the ".5" because it's assumed you have a card to put back f...
Yeah all combos that return for revolt are essentially a .5 combo
cinder folio
the funnier thing is the heatsoul ones, where heatsoul provides the .5 technically
but i still for the life of me can never remember when to heatsoul
tidal quartz
Cause in the Fraktall + Tri combo, usually I skip the zelantis and go into Bearb...
I assume your going for the sp line here that gets revolt, only issue here is that revolt is easily outed cause SP blocks the emz
tidal quartz
but i still for the life of me can never remember when to heatsoul
You heatsoul when you normal Ponix and have a fire in hand that's the only situation haha
cinder folio
makes sense
i get people cutting the heatsoul stuff for other things
i've yet to get to do heatsoul stuff to decide myself
but it ultimately is 4 slots
we've tried figuring out excuses to keep almiraj without heatsoul and came to the conclusion that the hands where you would be able to do something with almiraj are so rare, and basically produce apo pass
cinder folio
you need 3 tri types in hand...one of which is kitt...and you can't do any other...
this was the main conclusion
tidal quartz
I can't stress enough on how bad it is to cut it, if you don't open Tri and only open fire king your end board is horrible since there is no end board hahaha
cinder folio
the heatsoul stuff?
or almiraj?
it's fair, since fire king only hands that aren't just ponix + barong end with garunix on field + sanctuary setup
which blows
or just sp
tidal quartz
Which also blows, cause committing to an SP is means you didn't pop your Ponix, means you have nothing to pop for sure for kirin and if you're even in this situation you could've plussed so hard by just going heatsoul
cinder folio
makes sense. i feel like the main weakness a bunch of us have is we're coming at this deck from the tri-brigade perspective, not knowing a lot about fire king combos
in the end if we want to actually blend the two we need to learn both, since hands can produce just one half of the deck sometimes
(the funny thing is in my example hand you can possibly do tri stuff)
tidal quartz
That's mega neg hahaha
tidal quartz
Per say no heatsoul and Ponix+fire in hand
cinder folio
you can set up tri stuff for next turn
ns ponix for sanctuary, island pop barong for garunix
garunix destroy kitt
tidal quartz
Barong in this case does help a lot, making it easier to get kirin in the loop and you get a fire off of revolt
cinder folio
add back fraktall to have follow-up for next turn, or a fire to destroy if needed
i'm trying to think of what else could be done
because technically you have 2 tri types to make ferijit in that case
tidal quartz
The line is make fer summon Tri make bear apo for 3 revolt and 2 in hand
cinder folio
sounds right
cinder folio
i feel like on average any decent hand makes apo + revolt minimum
zealantis is there for when you can't to accompany sp to make sure she doesn't die to BP
tidal quartz
i feel like on average any decent hand makes apo + revolt minimum
That's the cool thing island + any fire is revolt apo
cinder folio
also i feel like any decent hand where you also draw revolt going first feels like magical christmas land
for those that haven't heard that term from playing Magic:
In Magical Christmasland, variance is always on your side. You will always draw the cards you want, and your opponent will never have an answer to your plays. If something is nearly impossible in reality even if the stars align, it's guaranteed to happen every time in Magical Christmasland.
tidal quartz
Hahaha I get it now
cinder folio
it's the trap a lot of people fall into when deck building
"but if i get this exact hand in this exact situation, this one card choice is valid!"
tidal quartz
Yeah reason to why I commit more to the percentages
cinder folio
that's how we got the super weird optimized infernoble lists with 1 copy max of the main deck names, and 6 equips max
it felt bad
but they worked
drowsy horizon
I assume your going for the sp line here that gets revolt, only issue here is th...
Yeah that, or Rugal
cinder folio
if you go for rugal over sp...
like
i get the uses for rugal, but if you could instead do zealantis + sp
drowsy horizon
I can't stress enough on how bad it is to cut it, if you don't open Tri and only...
This is the best endorsement for Heatsoul someone has said here
drowsy horizon
I don't think it's that bad Rugal in that situation. Cause in the combo you're popping Barong, bringing it back next turn with rugal to Pop with the Kirin isn't that bad
Yeah SP usually better but thats if you don't need to immediate access to your Revolt
Like if you want to use your Omen banish on something like a Spell/Trap
Making SP, you're zone blocked until they decide to let you
cinder folio
i feel like that's very matchup dependant
drowsy horizon
It is
cinder folio
but yes
drowsy horizon
i get the uses for rugal, but if you could instead do zealantis + sp
I'd rather have Revolt
cinder folio
i guess the main thing is you'd be doing zealantis in a case where you can pop ponix to have a guaranteed fire in hand for kirin
but also yes
or wait
drowsy horizon
Revolt to me is my break in case of emergency
cinder folio
i'm mixing combos up
drowsy horizon
It does way too much to forgo, just for a Zelantis and SP
drowsy horizon
i'm mixing combos up
Ahh i see
cinder folio
i feel like the perspective you have is like what i said before
it comes from a tri-first perspective
but doing the zealantis stuff lets you go into fire king, in hands where you'd normally just go rugal
tidal quartz
Deck already has like 3 forms of followup, going for more follow up with rugal is just unnecessary
cinder folio
rugal is basically the best card for pure tri going 1st
if you can't apo
but we have an entire other half of the deck
i do have to say
the 2nd combo in the playlist its debatable if you could go for rugal over sp + revolt
your only interaction to protect sp is kirin -> garunix -> kirin gy effect to pop the threat
then if they keep going without you being able to use SP you have to xyz losing the sp
then again...rugal does almost nothing here
it just lets you summon shuraig earlier
i like how in these conversations with myself i present the devil's advocate stance...then slowly disprove it
i'm not doing it on purpose 😛
tidal quartz
If they normal to out SP and you Garunix line to pop almost no deck has a non trigger special to pressure again, unless it's Kash and yeah 2 Fenrir might out the board by itself in any other case you just use SP to banish the monster you summoned with kirin from gy and SP to dodge your own nuke
cinder folio
i feel like the main use for rugal is for accesscode climb
drowsy horizon
it comes from a tri-first perspective
You get fireking by linking the omen, not the Zelantis tho
drowsy horizon
Deck already has like 3 forms of followup, going for more follow up with rugal i...
Rugal is just to ensure I can revolt
Most times it will be SP
cinder folio
the moment you get revolt you can't do fire king stuff
tidal quartz
And if you summoned Ponix with kirin and added sky burn that's most likely game already cause that's sky burn in dp into Ponix back to hand that very standby and still a sp banish if they try something funny
drowsy horizon
But I value Revolt over FK stuff but that's just me
drowsy horizon
Revolt is 3k body, 1 banish, and a search
cinder folio
and that's ignoring the rest of the field
drowsy horizon
Then another search
tidal quartz
Rugal is just to ensure I can revolt
Honestly I'd rather use something like due little chimera in this case if you really want the followup
drowsy horizon
That's 2 follow up, a 3k body, and a banish
cinder folio
and if the 1 banish isn't enough?
cinder folio
ok, but the fk stuff is one additional interaction...one of which is a board wipe
drowsy horizon
Honestly I'd rather use something like due little chimera in this case if you re...
The free fire body to pop isn't bad
cinder folio
duelittle is funny
i've yet to figure out what to do with it, but i have one in case we figure it out
drowsy horizon
ok, but the fk stuff is one additional interaction...one of which is a board wip...
I mean I guess, if you need the board wipe, I'm usually interacting with my opp where they're getting dwindled down resource wise
cinder folio
and this is where matchup stuff matters most
if you have a slot to put rugal, and it comes up enough, do it
i feel like if you have another fire to use for kirin in hand then sp is better, but if you don't then rugal is better
i think that's probably the main decision point if you have the options
drowsy horizon
My fave rugal target is barong
cinder folio
oh for sure
drowsy horizon
That's what I pop most commonly
I'd love to fit heat soul, but imma just ensure my Tri ratios and pray lol
cinder folio
heatsoul is nice specifically because you get to do revolt without -1
and you get an extra card before popping it for kirin
i also realize the 2 heatsoul combo shorts can also end on 3-mat apo + revolt, but then the kirin in hand is dead if you don't have a fire in hand
tidal quartz
Idk rugal is just so bad imo, even pitknight in this situation is so much better
cinder folio
pitknight underated card of all time
literally one of the best parts of playing tri spright
tidal quartz
pitknight underated card of all time
Hard to find it's use but it can work really well in a lot of situations
But not as much to actually want it haha
cinder folio
can you believe it's a tcg world premiere card? it's so good
drowsy horizon
I've done some combos where I didn't get a barong search but I had kirin. I gotta identify all these niche scenarios cause then I can quantify how likely they are to occur and then make a more informed decision on the ED.
drowsy horizon
But not as much to actually want it haha
Yeap I found the same. I wanted it to work so badly lol
cinder folio
btw, i wish we had an excuse to play tri-brigade oath
drowsy horizon
I want my Tri spright end board
cinder folio
we get all 3 types on field so easily
drowsy horizon
Ip Pitknight revolt
drowsy horizon
btw, i wish we had an excuse to play tri-brigade oath
In the Tri cord, there's someone who was making it work
cinder folio
the issue is it uses up the send off kitt
drowsy horizon
Never even a fan of Oath, it's neat tho
cinder folio
i want roar to be good so badly
i feel like if nerval said tri-brigade card instead of monster it would have been so much better
(also because roar is the only way to make the link 5 remotely playable)
next kelp
You guize have tested it more than me, how good is the deck competitive wise ?
If we assume optimal FK to be tier 1
Where does this variant land ?
drowsy horizon
Tier 1.5
next kelp
Hot
drowsy horizon
And people in the Atlanta area are on this way more than Pure, but the results have been Pure mostly but I do think this variant may be better. I'll know for sure if I test pure
cinder folio
realistically we're about the same or slightly better or worse than current pure
drowsy horizon
This seems more resilient, versatile, and has stronger boards
next kelp
This seems more resilient, versatile, and has stronger boards
Pure has like 17 handtraps
next kelp
But I don't like to go normal ponix and non engine
drowsy horizon
You need to see it though, I like how Tri engine gives you access to non destruction removal
cinder folio
as of phni there's no contest, snake-eyes spoils fire king will be the best
next kelp
Tri engine prolly has a decent ceiling but u get blown out ez
next kelp
I'm personally very much behind the concept of fuck it we ball
drowsy horizon
If you stop field spell in pure, what do they do just hand trap and non engine and hope to live?
next kelp
U can always extend somewhat id say
If u have a kirin
But idk
Tbf, if u look at centur ion they fold to a single veiler
But they have so much room
Non engine isn't usually pressure as much as engine can be but
It's guaranteed interactions that are more difficult to play through
If u can immediately start over next turn, it's good enough
cinder folio
being able to run super poly in pure is a big deal too
next kelp
Yeeeee
next kelp
To be honest, in a format where super poly is super relevant there are some slots u can cut from tri variants no?
Fenrir is also playable in tri, some test hands look a bit tricky room wise
But maybe going second its enough
drowsy horizon
I side Fenrir, sometimes the combos can play into nib 1 summon too early with Fenrir but that's just me
merry spire
so tri fire king is inferior to other variants? I already had a tribrigade deck and ordered the fire kings cards : (
drowsy horizon
It always was viewed that way, it was the budget alternative
merry spire
damn, thought its at least on a similar lvl since both engines work great together
drowsy horizon
I mean I think it's comparable as said above
merry spire
hope it will get stronger in the future. also the artworks kinda fit together:P
next kelp
I don't think it's that much worse if it is
And you could mos def compete for top 1 at locals wit it
drowsy horizon
It topped a remote regional, only 100 people but bigger than a locals or case tourney
cinder folio
right now it's fine compared to regular
as of phni snake-eyes build will be far more powerful
merry spire
and i guess snake eyes is expensive, isnt it?
I stay with tri fire since i am a budget player and just hope that we get somethign in the future
cinder folio
and i guess snake eyes is expensive, isnt it?
Take a look at the coat of wanted
You need 3
Also 3 bonfire from the upcoming maze set, which is 1 of 2 good cards in that set right now
Also we're betting Populus and Promethean princess will be secret rare in phni
merry spire
oh, thanks for motivating me to stay with treibrigade:D
drowsy horizon
You gotta love the brigade when they're up and when they're down!
merry spire
actually i hated them because i spent for the first time much money on a deck
and then..
they got ALL reprinted
Finally they shine again with fire kings so i jumped on the train
next kelp
Whenever u buy stuff that costs money u can't get sentimental with it
U have to move the cards early enough not to neg
void charm
Went 2-1 tonight, only lost round 1 bc i opened only handtraps both games. Absolutely zero gas. When i had gas i beat lab and memento
polar pilot
I grew a little and never made rugal yesterday (except once for an access code when I had enough damage to win anyways). Now I consider cutting him. But for what
cinder folio
i didn't get time to practice at all last night, but then again i'm off for 2 weeks now, so i have time 😛
drowsy horizon
What is the line for Heatsoul?
void charm
What is the line for Heatsoul?
I got a linkuriboh yesterday but i def dont have little knight so idk if i should even try this line
I think appo + revolt is stronger than heatsoul draw 2 + revolt
drowsy horizon
Well Vagabond was saying it was the only thing you can do if you open all FK and no Tri so I thought the line was FK exclusive
shell wind
So you are likely to draw card you already used
void charm
Well Vagabond was saying it was the only thing you can do if you open all FK and...
That video is literally vagabond’s tho
drowsy horizon
Cause that clearly uses Tri monsters when in chat he said theres a combo without them lol
drowsy horizon
You heatsoul when you normal Ponix and have a fire in hand that's the only situa...
Here it is
drowsy horizon
I can't stress enough on how bad it is to cut it, if you don't open Tri and only...
Also
shell wind
Any combination of ponix+Fire in hand,is heatsoul
void charm
Any combination of ponix+Fire in hand,is heatsoul
But isnt that true for apo as well
shell wind
Yep
void charm
So why make heatsoul?
void charm
You can get to apo only tri as well, did it last night thru an imperm. Hand was 2 kitt, nerval, frak, kerras
drowsy horizon
Ok so Ponix + Fire is heatsoul. But I feel Ponix + Kitt + Tri type can be more than what that combo ended on. Maybe it's more of a proof of concept?
As opposed to being optimal
void charm
Frak to dump kitt, dump nerval, go get another frak.
Normal kitt, banish 2 to try to get bearbrumm. (Impermed.
Special kerass, dump other kitt. Do it again, get to bearbrumm. Link all 3 for apo and get revolt
void charm
Certain matchups I guess
What matchup does it make sense to draw 2 instead of 3x monster neg? If we can do apo AND heatsoul then we are in serious business but i dont think we can get there
drowsy horizon
Maybe like Branded
Something where you need HTs
Idk
I was trying to see what the point of Heatsoul was, yesterday Vagabond said its if you have no Tri plays, then I look at his combo and see Tri monsters
void charm
Quick side note, is lava golem in the side too cute? It IS a fire 🤔
I also dont know what to take out of the extra for all of linkuriboh, heatsoul, and sunlightwolf
Rugal, 1 garunix, light-heart?
Or now we are back to even if this is even worth it
tidal quartz
Kinda read though the majority of questions
Through
Ponix + fire for a tri line is 2.5 so if you want apo + revolt you have the same amount of interaction but different obviously and 1 less card in hand
Any other line with barong/Arvata/kirin + ponix is 3 interuptions instead of 2
And with the recent release of 5 steal card in the format I consider it to be even more valuable to have a quick pop in hand
But yeah it's also matchup reliant like if you know apo is ftk vs the match then go ahead
drowsy horizon
Thanks, clears a lot up!
tidal quartz
This other playlist has the combos without tri
drowsy horizon
So Ponix + Fire is the bare minimum for Heatsoul, anything else you have is icing on top so to speak
tidal quartz
So Ponix + Fire is the bare minimum for Heatsoul, anything else you have is icin...
Correct
cinder folio
You guys are missing that in some of those combos you don't get a fire back to hand to use with kirin as well
Heatsoul is better than just leaving ponix or something on field for that, and making apo means you've cut off access to kirin in a FK only hand
I would post my list again, but my internet died
So I'm stuck on my phone
void charm
I just dont know how to make the appropriate room in the ED, and if i need little knight for this
cinder folio
Don't need 2 XYZ Garunix, don't need goddess, don't need light-heart
polar pilot
You think swapping rugal for let's say an pit knight earlie might be interesting? Or is SP already filling the role there
void charm
Went 2-2 today. Lost to lab and pur.
drowsy sleet
How are your locals doing tourneys still? Nobody showed up to mine yesterday 🥲
cinder folio
They cancelled today because it's busy shopping day
They sell board games and such so they get really busy with last minute shoppers.
void charm
How are your locals doing tourneys still? Nobody showed up to mine yesterday 🥲
I live in chicago, lots of people to play
merry spire
Airborne - how is airbone with 1 of Brotherhood of the firefist raven? U can target even phoenix, summon raven and grab a fire formation tenyi
You can even Trigger raven again with revolt
cinder folio
kinda winmore
why bother playing it when you could just draw tenki or fraktal instead?
there's already so little room
merry spire
Hm i am playing it currently and like it.
1 raven, 2 Airborne. Nerval is at 1 currently since u can recycle it back with revolt and its unusable for airborne. Still have place for 9 handtraps. And if u need to destroy Just a fire card hes also a good target. And u get tenki twice with him
tidal quartz
If the deck was missing consistency it would be an option, but it's not, raven is basically a Kitt with extra steps
I would even say that you can cut a Kitt for a raven to have a more versatile hand when comboing letting you get to 4 in gy for a omen banish a lot quicker, that's the only upside, airborne on the other hand is a 2 card combo card that provides horrible synergy with ponix and nerval, Ponix being on of your most powerful normal summons this basically negs its value at least 33% of the time
But again this plays into droll which is already a problem, but situations in which Kitt would lose to droll this loses harder, and Kitt hard draw to gy filled with TRI beast just overwhelmes ravens value
Yeah just in theory and checking quickly Kitt combos Kitt holds the same or more value
So again sounds cool only if you where missing consistency for decent boards
mild shuttle
Does anyone have a good/successful Tri fire king list?
round zenith
I think technically the only topping list so far is this one
https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/tri-brigade-fire-king-410743
mild shuttle
Thanks
void charm
That list is strange but cannot argue results
cinder folio
i mean you can
tidal quartz
Would've won if he played heatsoul and 2 nerv instead of 3
Fr fr
Question for content, do you guy prefer a recording of a replay in db or a recording of the combo being done? Replay is only clicking on the next play and we'll the other is just going card by card clicking on the declare and opening extra and opening main etc
void charm
Would've won if he played heatsoul and 2 nerv instead of 3
i just cut the heatsoul thing because i just couldnt understand when i'd want to do it over apo. Went with adding back ding, adding accesscode, and a unicorn
tidal quartz
At the end of your day it's your deck and what you're most comfortable with so all good
cinder folio
Bc it did
You can top with sub-optimal lists.
it doesn't mean the list is bad
but it still can mean luck was involved
i was on the other side of this argument in the infernoble discord
"well this list topped a regional, how is it bad?"
we kept seeing lists ignoring all the improvements we'd worked on over time, stuff that lead to the ratios pak ran for the first ycs he brought it to and topped. but despite being sub-optimal, and playing stuff we'd long since cut, they still topped
cinder folio
At the end of your day it's your deck and what you're most comfortable with so a...
this was the answer we always settled on in the infernoble discord "we're telling you what's optimal, but it's your deck"
next kelp
Are there any other decks involving tri than this one rn ?
shell wind
Spright
polar pilot
this was the answer we always settled on in the infernoble discord "we're tellin...
We should pin this message 😄
void charm
this was the answer we always settled on in the infernoble discord "we're tellin...
I dont think it was the consensus that heatsoul was optimal
shell wind
Usually the Heatsoul line gives you a 5 card hand + a pop + board wipe
In pure/diabell where you can play like 15 non engine,5 cards in hand means that most of them are handtraps
This version plays at most 10 non engine
So It becomes worse
So an Apo play can be more meaningfull
void charm
I think you hit the nail on the head, apo just makes more sense for this version of the deck. You still end on 3 negs, revolt, sanctuary online, garunix in grave, and kirin in hand.
So i took those ED spots that the heatsoul package takes and added more power to kill on turn 3
shell wind
Yeah
cinder folio
I dont think it was the consensus that heatsoul was optimal
Not saying it is or isn't
cinder folio
I think you hit the nail on the head, apo just makes more sense for this version...
the issue with this is if you have no fire in hand because you didn't pop ponix for example, then how does kirin, garunix, or sanctuary do anything?
you get stuck in a spot where the only way to get a fire is revolt and using the nerval to add kitt/fraktal to hand, but now instead of that card being follow-up, you have to destroy it for kirin
cinder folio
This version plays at most 10 non engine
speak for yourself 😛
although 2 of mine are talents
i do agree that the heatsoul stuff is optional
but i am rather sold on zealantis
cinder folio
i do sometimes miss 2nd garunix, but i find that by the time it matters you're either winning or losing XD
i'm just trying it out
shell wind
Playing Diabell makes normaling arvata a stronger play
Yeah
We have to test
I also play 2/2 on field
cinder folio
i just found that spoils engine just made the deck worse funny enough
very often i'd draw it...and ponix
shell wind
Yep
cinder folio
at which point it just goes +0
shell wind
Atleast there you can add sun burn
shell wind
Ahh
If you go to the tri brigade route you usually dont need the sanctuary
But Yeah
cinder folio
it's better to have both
that's kind of the point of the heatsoul ones
also heatsoul gives you your free card for the bottom when you get revolt
gleaming sluice
You guys think it's possible to throw 1 ash 1 populus 1 flamberge 2-3 oss in the Tri variant post PHNI?
gleaming sluice
What makes it bad? 5 of those cards are nice to hard draw and lead to tons of extension
cinder folio
but what synergy do they bring to this version of the deck?
regal heath
void charm
🎊
remote halo
Is it possible to run tri fire without kitt, and Apo? Even if it makes the main deck more consistent ect? Or is pure the better way then
void charm
Kitt is the card that links the 2 archetypes. Apo is what your end board if with revolt. If you don't want to play those, then I'd say you should play pure.
remote halo
Okay thanks! I just thought bearbrumm could special summon the banished Ponix thus making it more consistent
cinder folio
#tri-brigade-theory
tidal quartz
My god I'm finally getting into the tri fire king decklist and boy it's a 20 min rant 😵💫
cinder folio
Enjoy everybody and happy topping
post this in #tri-brigade-theory so i can pin it
and also so you have the credit
solid rampart
yeah bro
next kelp
I'm lowkey feeling 2 kerass
cinder folio
reminder that #tri-brigade-theory exists now
next kelp
Oh mb lmfao
ocean spruce
hi!
merry spire
Hi
cinder folio
@ocean spruce @merry spire conversation has mainly moved to #tri-brigade-theory
ocean spruce
noted