#Tri-brigade Fire king

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cinder folio
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not even lethal

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and they undid the damage from the garunix

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this game is taking forever

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plot twist

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game 2 it became mikanko

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oh god it's 60 card amazoness mikanko

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well game 2 was incredibly dissapointing

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ha-re with equip pass. i got duster in my open

drowsy horizon
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Go to 1:20

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So I'm not crazy

solid rampart
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i mean you’re entitled to do you

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i’m still against the idea

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but i am considering cutting tenki entirely

cinder folio
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this video reminds me that nerval at 1 is fine which means ideally you don't need almiraj since you're less likely to draw it, though almiraj still enables kitt

shell wind
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I wouldn't cut almiraj because you still need it for some FK combos

cinder folio
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true

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watching the video is making me realize how much space i give up to put spoils engine in

shell wind
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He also doesn't play circle nor burn rigth?

polar pilot
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There is one burn in there

shell wind
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oh nice

cinder folio
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the more i look at it in this build, the more circle is a winmore card

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it's very nice in some situations, but unless you hard draw it, you're already doing well if you search it

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lol, of course the list is 41

drowsy horizon
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Yeap not needed, I cut it

cinder folio
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i mean of course you don't need yeap crendorKappa

drowsy horizon
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Cutting 2nd nervall, I tried it and somehow I still drew the 1 of and not being able to go thru Tri plays from deck that's was enough for me to reconsider but let me know how it goes

cinder folio
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almiraj fixes that slightly

drowsy horizon
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I opened my 1 nervall now I'm normal summoning it for Almiraj...this duel has gone terribly so far 😂

cinder folio
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gotta put that light-heart back in too i guess

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to be fair, almiraj is for fixing hands with kitt

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even in tri it never did anything for nerval

drowsy horizon
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Just played a mikanko who was using this

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Got to use revolt to special summon 2 monsters for free that stayed on board, then popped one with Kirin lol

cinder folio
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Wait...wouldn't revolt not be activatable without a valid set or targets?

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To activate a card you must be able to resolve the entire effect

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But I guess as long as one legal combo exists, you don't have to pick it...it just has to exist

solid rampart
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i love circle too much to cut it

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it just lets you loop back into a kitt or fraktall

drowsy horizon
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I mean that's cool but is it necessary

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That's why some consider it win more

solid rampart
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necessary no

cinder folio
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that's what leads to hard cuts when optimizing

solid rampart
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how about 2nd nerval?

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i am in favor bc it allows you to grind harder with your tribrigade engine

drowsy horizon
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We discussed above, I think its necessary

cinder folio
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i'm like 50/50 on it

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the only real odd thing in the video is rangbali

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like i get that he's useful

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but he doesn't particularly synergize

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i've been debating on and off all day if i keep spoils package in the build

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that's 5 slots i could fill with non-engine and a bit more engine

shell wind
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I would 100% cut ranbali before the second nerval

solid rampart
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im siding rangbali

cinder folio
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that's justifiable

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the one thing i don't like in that guy's list is the true lack of backrow hate

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like just duster

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wut

solid rampart
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actually 1 rangbali never comes up

solid rampart
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im finding myself struggling with 3 main things

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centurion, branded bystial, and shifter

cinder folio
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locals list today:

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1-2 T_T

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lost to just well timed handtraps and mediocre hands

tidal quartz
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Hello does anyone have issues with the tri ratios?

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I'm here to shine wisdom cause I'm bored

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Here are the basics, wanted engine not needed, only 1 garunix is needed, heatsoul engine is a must, 1 nerval is horrible even post side, zealantis is a real thing and I guess that's it

cinder folio
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all of this sounds completely opposite of everything we've experienced playing it the past week and a half 😛

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except the wanted not needed part

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also dd crow is being played a lot more because of this deck (fire king in general, not this variant) instead of bystials like before, so having a backup garunix is useful

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i legitimately have no idea why you'd play zealantis in this version other than purely because it makes a dead apo useful for more atk

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but if you hit the point where you can zealantis you're probably already winning without it

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i legitimately have no idea how the heatsould stuff works

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i guess it lets you draw into stuff

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but legitimately how are you making heatsoul in this version? linkuriboh + sunlight?

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i guess also ip

cinder folio
tidal quartz
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I have not been following

drowsy horizon
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Yeah I'd be interested in Heatsoul combos pretty happy in my build though feels pretty solved, haven't changed it just been perfecting play and siding patterns. 1 flex spot in the ED and 2 flex spots in the main. Side will change commonly

tidal quartz
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I've been testing it for more then a week and a half

cinder folio
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like i'm open to new info

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but i need more than just a pile of statments that's the opposite of all the stuff we've learned XD

tidal quartz
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Zealantis is not a win more card cause it's a piece to provide better combos

drowsy horizon
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People like 2-3 Fraktall 2-3 Kitt 2 nervall 1 Kerass 2 revolt.

tidal quartz
drowsy horizon
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1 revolt*

cinder folio
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i explained it 😛

tidal quartz
drowsy horizon
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Typo

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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it's wild in a pure tri list

drowsy horizon
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And I thought portal was talking about the Facebook guy

cinder folio
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nah

tidal quartz
drowsy horizon
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He was saying all these statements like diabellestarr is bad, 1 Garunix 3 sanc etc

tidal quartz
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Sanctuary is literally better then the entire wanted line

drowsy horizon
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Yeah but 1 thing I noticed in this build, card advantage/economy is way lower than the pure variant. The wanted draw helps alot especially when you're gonna have to put a card back for Revolt

tidal quartz
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That is the exact opposite

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Wanted is very susceptible to everything, neging more the plusing at the end of the day

drowsy horizon
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Not when you send Tenki

tidal quartz
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Now that makes is just die to droll

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But yes it does feel good

drowsy horizon
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And being able to put Tris in GY without Fraktall eff and before using your NS is big

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We die to droll anyways

tidal quartz
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Fraktall is the best card vs droll, reason to why it should be a 3 of without discusión

cinder folio
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literally the whole deck

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the only card that doesn't is opening sanctuary

drowsy horizon
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Tenki when you have combo without normal summon in hand, aka field spell and a fire is either have droll or lose

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Cause if I search out the arvata you're not winning lol

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If you Fraktall and search then get drolled you're still not getting Revolt

tidal quartz
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What line is tenki+sanctuary+fire?

cinder folio
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stuff

tidal quartz
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But you still have an interuption

cinder folio
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ok

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normal ponix

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droll

tidal quartz
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Not like every other card in the deck

cinder folio
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what now?

drowsy horizon
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We need to map out the field spell lines, those are my preferred cause you don't commit anything

tidal quartz
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My point exactly why fraktall still gives you an interuption post droll

drowsy horizon
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I'll usually bait out everything then go field spell

drowsy horizon
tidal quartz
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Yes secuencing correctly is a must in every deck

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Why?

cinder folio
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there's no sequencing normal ponix to avoid droll

tidal quartz
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What are your ratios to lose?

drowsy horizon
tidal quartz
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Yeah but to what he states there are ideals for other interactions

drowsy horizon
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I'm saying if you Fraktall first play, dump Kitt nervall add Fraktall. Then droll. You're most likely losing

tidal quartz
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You have a 50% chance to opening 2 non engine with 12, fraktall as a first action should provide at most 50/50 3 interuptions post droll

cinder folio
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how?

tidal quartz
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How what

cinder folio
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you can't search revolt, sanctuary, or garunix

tidal quartz
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2 non engine plus frak is 3

cinder folio
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how the fuck are you making interactions?

drowsy horizon
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The 2 negate apo, or Sp Knight, or rugal and other 4 probably aren't going to cut it. No revolt, no access to FK monster unless you opened up. You can commit further to board if you have Tris to maybe get a DDL as well but from my experience of playing Tri for the last two years that's not consistently powerful enough

tidal quartz
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You build the deck to draw them if you don't your losing either way going second

drowsy horizon
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Yeah in theory

cinder folio
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there's also the fact that we're ignoring: wanted dodges droll

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it gets you ponix while never risking droll

drowsy horizon
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Doesn't always play out that way, droll is a back breaker plain and simple. That's the case for all Tri variants lol

tidal quartz
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Then what? Add sanctuary get drolled?

cinder folio
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same difference in the other hands without it

tidal quartz
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Your not playing around it you're still losing to the same thing

cinder folio
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you're just losing another way

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like you're saying we're wrong, while being equally wrong

tidal quartz
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Even worse then just normalling ponix cause you use another card

cinder folio
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not if the send was kitt

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it really depends

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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you're losing to droll here

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how is that different?

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"oh i have more cards in case i don't get OTK'd into the sun next turn"

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big whoop

tidal quartz
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I'm making 1 card have value as an interuption post droll you are losing 2 cards for no value

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How is so difícult to understand that 1 interuption is more then 0?

cinder folio
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because your example is also 0

tidal quartz
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How is Fraktall eff 0 interuptions?

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Do you even know what Tri is?

cinder folio
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what are you producing? a 2 negate apo?

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tri is a deck that searches revolt and sometimes makes apo or DDL

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i've played tri since it came out

tidal quartz
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Dragon lords and SP are still cards that can be made with 1 fraktall

drowsy horizon
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Not without other cards in hand

tidal quartz
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If you frak to add a Kitt you have ddl and follow-up

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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most other cards that aren't non-engine require other cards to do something

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that's how this deck works

drowsy horizon
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Both DDL and Sp Knight at the same time or you're saying either or

cinder folio
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he's not wrong

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it's both

drowsy horizon
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Right, yeah I acknowledged that above that's not enough

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You know that's literal the entire aim of pure Tri brigade right?

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That board is not enough

cinder folio
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normal a tri, banish 2 for ferijit, summon tri from hand if you have, link fraktal and ferijit for sp, other tri make ddl

tidal quartz
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Like yeah with just frak you can make both

cinder folio
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if you don't have another tri, you make bearbrum, banish 2 to summon a tri

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same result

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so yes

cinder folio
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i was still typing

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😛

drowsy horizon
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That's another Tri as well

cinder folio
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ya

tidal quartz
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But I'm specifically saying that one frak no other cards is still 1 interuption post droll

cinder folio
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one of the ones sent of fraktal

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you summon it with bearbrum 1st effect

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then link bear and fraktall for sp

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the tri you summoned from banished makes ddl

tidal quartz
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Not like that but yeah

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Since SP does block your zone

drowsy horizon
cinder folio
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it is better than nothing, but you likely had to get rid of any chance of follow-up you had if they beat it, but either way you were screwed

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oh ya

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summon with new tri first

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then sp

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or apo with 3 mats

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i do see it now

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i've just been focused on using tri as an engine for fire king, i forgot about normal tri plays

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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last time i played tri before this i had 0 fraktal because spright tri

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tbh, it leaves you in a spot where if the other stuff in hand is like garunix + new kirin you're well off

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make sp and leave a fire on board

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make garunix one of the discards

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then on the next turn you summon kirin to summon garunix, then destroy kirin from deck to revive and pop a card

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there is one opinion i'm curious to see what you answer

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how many tenki?

tidal quartz
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Now to the other thing in question sanctuary/ island > wanted engine

cinder folio
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i mean i get it

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but from another angle

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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it's 5 slots that could be 3 non-engine + 2 engine

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we have a love/hate with tenki here

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it's real good but makes us die to droll sooner

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though that video from earlier today makes a good point

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if you're dying to droll then tenki didn't make that worse

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whereas spoils does

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since it costs 1 card extra

tidal quartz
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The deck does die to droll but it's a necessary evil to maximize on the best Tri, have Virtually 4 Arvata (ponix + Arvata best pure fire king combo) so 3 imo is best

cinder folio
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it recovers 1 random card from the draw

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but that doesn't 100% make up for it

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since if you didn't wanted and in both situations you got drolled

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in the hand without wanted you have 1 more card

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i've been very close to cutting spoils engine since friday

drowsy horizon
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I like 2, I'm not starting my plays without preferably since it plays into Droll , and I don't want to see multiple

cinder folio
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i think 2 tenki is valid

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especially if you need space

tidal quartz
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The best thing about Tri is that multiple are not as bad since you have the put back option

drowsy horizon
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Not starting my plays with it*

cinder folio
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i feel like spoils is you really need a benefit besides ponix

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and we can't play ash and flamberge really

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we could, but that's 2 more slots we don't have

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and they have 0 synergy with tri

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btw, can you show us a recent list?

tidal quartz
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If youre not convinced in a theoretical approach I also tested wanted engine due to it in theory looking really good, but in practice it was horrible for me losing multiple multiple games and really starting a win streak after cutting it

cinder folio
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i feel like every game i did well was one where i didn't have any spoils stuff in the open

drowsy horizon
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That's my list, initially when I was on rescue ace I was top 100 then fell to 2000 something with Tri fk. Today I hit 600s again. The ranking doesn't matter but I've been winning more consistently

cinder folio
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i think increasing past 40 helps with the issues wanted causes

tidal quartz
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I'm currently 900+ rating

cinder folio
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but i don't want to do that tbh

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i can't stand DB ranked

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the most i ever did it was goat and that was insufferable enough

drowsy horizon
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I'm on Dueling nexus db has too many cancerous players

cinder folio
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i'm using omega with chat disabled

tidal quartz
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Yeah kinda harsh, was an hour waiting for judge today cause of another fk player wanting to shark me haha

cinder folio
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just look at dire's tweets lately about trying to play generaider in db

drowsy horizon
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This deck is OK though it's not tier 1 I think

cinder folio
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hell no

tidal quartz
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Tri king imo is the best version of fk

cinder folio
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results say otherwise

drowsy horizon
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Yeah I don't think so either, it plays harder into Droll and runs less non engine

tidal quartz
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You have to keep in mind that the majority of fk players are playing pure

cinder folio
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i think the ability of the pure + spoils version to run a million non-engine is super good right now

tidal quartz
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And the ratios really hit harshly if not played correctly

drowsy horizon
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It may be better going first

cinder folio
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generaider obviously just too strong

tidal quartz
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I got clapped the other day by one

cinder folio
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it's wild when it works

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the new level 8 runick helps a lot

tidal quartz
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Indeed hahaha

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Wasn't it 9?

cinder folio
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or 9

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ya

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forgot the generaider level

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it makes sense, they're related story-wise

tidal quartz
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But I didn't finish my clarifications hahaha

cinder folio
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true

tidal quartz
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There's a niche interaction that some cards have, that made Kash one of the best decks

cinder folio
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i feel like kash just did well because macro + big monsters with oppressive effects

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but ya

tidal quartz
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Being annoying to remove from board letting the deck try again next turn if interrupted

cinder folio
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stuff like prospy banish ntiss/garura then attaching them to later detach is big

tidal quartz
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Wanted engine doesn't do this, if stopped in anyway you can't try again next turn

cinder folio
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wanted itself is a way to try again if you draw a new one

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but i do get it

tidal quartz
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Fk do have this interaction reason number 1 to why sanctuary/island is better then wanted

cinder folio
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until february it's basically up to player skill and deckbuilding which variant is better

tidal quartz
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It's a pseudo way

cinder folio
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in february it's spoils

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0 debate

tidal quartz
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Tri also provided this niche interaction in some way

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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bonfire add populus is insane

drowsy horizon
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Idk the GY effs are pretty cracked lol

cinder folio
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and on top of that the link 3

drowsy horizon
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Add a level 1 fire, or draw a card. I think I will lol

cinder folio
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bonfire is full combo

tidal quartz
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For heatsoul and zealantis Im the guy that made some YouTube shorts for these combos and posted them in Facebook groups

cinder folio
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huh

tidal quartz
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It's better to see the combo it speaks for itself

drowsy horizon
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You the 1 Garunix guy

cinder folio
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in tribrigade duelists? or a fire king group?

tidal quartz
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I commented that somewhere and also said it here

cinder folio
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do you have a current list btw?

solid rampart
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i like the heatsoul line

drowsy horizon
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In the comment he sakd he was keeping it under wraps lol

tidal quartz
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Not really wanting to provide it due to the hours put into it, respectfully

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Yup

cinder folio
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i get it

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but in general i think hiding lists is dumb, no offense

solid rampart
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that’s so real

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i don’t see the point in hiding it from fellow plebians

tidal quartz
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I get it, but in the city I live its normalized to not put in the work and ask for list and I've had several people just message me for various list for different decks and it's something I've grown to hate hahaha

cinder folio
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for me i see it as just hurting the community to not share info

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like if you have some super secret tech

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like the thing where pak had crossout for yeap

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i get it

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but ratios are just math

tidal quartz
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I share info happily but the list is hours of work and giving so many hours for free is painful

cinder folio
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i mean it sucks

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but that's how it goes

tidal quartz
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Math, reasons, testing, etc

drowsy horizon
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😂 😂

cinder folio
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tbh, unless you win a ycs with it

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who cares?

solid rampart
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this is probably a bad time to tell you i don’t even like the zealantis line that much

cinder folio
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like the info could help others

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i'm not trying to be mean about it

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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the only thing i'm missing here is this: are you just testing alone? or is this in a testing group of good players?

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because i find a lot of people find something that happens to work well enough for them

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but isn't actually correct

tidal quartz
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I'm testing alone cause I'm also kinda bored of the players in my city

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There not bad just bored of their gameplay

cinder folio
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that kind of thing keeps you from finding problems

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like you can just be ultra tailored to the DB environment

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but that's just 1 meta

tidal quartz
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That would be of a more non engine thing

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Different people different meta

cinder folio
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not true

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if you encounter different interactions that affect ratios it matters

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like 1 garunix

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if you encounter 0 dd crow

tidal quartz
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Reason to why I'm db for a day I had to play 3 cosmic in main thanks to Schmidt's win

cinder folio
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why would you fear it?

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the moment you lose your garunix to crow it might be over

tidal quartz
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Already had it banished, not drawing the card that's useless with my secondary engine is more important than having 2 in the case of a single card

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I even banish it in some combos cause revolt brings it back

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The only thing that has me thinking on changing in my current list is ddl and the second ferjit for a link 3 and access

cinder folio
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rugal is useful sometimes

tidal quartz
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Never has come up for me tbh

cinder folio
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the revive to put a fire on board helps

solid rampart
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ddl is cool but i rarely make it

cinder folio
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ddl is really good if you're already running tenki

tidal quartz
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I make it in moments where I couldn't kill for an extra interuption haha

cinder folio
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the funny thing about the video earlier is still rangbali

tidal quartz
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I've practically already gave my list with everything that I'm saying

tidal quartz
cinder folio
solid rampart
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and your insight is highly appreciated

cinder folio
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oh i can get a very general idea of your list minus the full ED

solid rampart
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i need help with the ED it’s a madhouse in mine

cinder folio
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mine from today is okish:

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2nd sp feels overkill

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i get the uses, but this deck doesn't need them as much

solid rampart
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true

cinder folio
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the dharc is neat but hard as fuck to summon

solid rampart
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how is dharc for you?

cinder folio
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never used it

solid rampart
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lol

cinder folio
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i've yet to use hita either

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same with typhon and ding

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but i get the uses for ding

solid rampart
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hiita is cool sometimes

cinder folio
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hiita is explicitly good for the mirror

solid rampart
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ding is nice in certain matchups

cinder folio
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or at worst summon ash to climb

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but then again

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climb to what?

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i'm not using access

solid rampart
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real

cinder folio
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btw i had cut access because this deck has no issues going for otk

solid rampart
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do you ever struggle to otk

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that’s fair

cinder folio
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you summon a ton of big guys

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banish with shuraig

tidal quartz
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Fr heatsoul is a must

solid rampart
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i need a 2nd shuraig

cinder folio
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yes

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you do

tidal quartz
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You just stated 3 cards that could be cut for heatsoul line

cinder folio
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btw

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almiraj?

solid rampart
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2nd shuraig?

cinder folio
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i think they meant the charmers

solid rampart
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i’m playing linkuriboh and anima almiraj

cinder folio
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i feel like having a way to convert kitt into something is needed

tidal quartz
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Almiraj alone is only good in a hand like sanctuary/handtrap(not ash)/tri beast(not fire)

cinder folio
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in bad as hell hands

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it doesn't fix nerval only hands

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but it lightly fixes kitt ones

tidal quartz
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That's why nerval at 2 is a must

cinder folio
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well even with 2

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if nerval is your only relevant thing because almiraj

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it's a problem

tidal quartz
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Yes but drawing the one of invalidates your entire tri engine

cinder folio
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ya

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i only cut one because of wanted

tidal quartz
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3 is just horrible hahaha

cinder folio
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i'm fully off it in this build because of the convo

tidal quartz
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I consider the best Tri line up to be frak 3, Kitt 3, nerv 2, kerass 1, revolt 1

cinder folio
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ya

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it makes sense

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my new main is coming along:

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i like the one-of crow because it's searchable

tidal quartz
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Same

cinder folio
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heatsoul line is heatsoul, sunlight, linkuriboh?

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i need to watch your shorts

tidal quartz
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Yes

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And we'll almiraj

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Well*

cinder folio
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uh

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how?

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heatsoul needs 2 attributes

tidal quartz
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It's part of the combos

cinder folio
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oh

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on top of the others

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ok

tidal quartz
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Normal Ponix make almiraj pop fire in hand

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Yeah thats in another playlist

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Pure fire king combos haha

cinder folio
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ya, i need to learn those

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i've come at this from a mainly tri angle with basic learn as i go fire king stuff

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i hate how nothing lines up, imma fix that

tidal quartz
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Nice thing to keep in mind is that after understanding the basic fire king lines you'll know when it's best to send Kitt of off garunix

solid rampart
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im putting crossouts in for my list

cinder folio
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i usually just do it if i have kirin in hand tbh

tidal quartz
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One combo I didn't put but I'll add later is just sanctuary/island plus any fire

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Makes apo + revolt

cinder folio
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now with more alignment:

tidal quartz
cinder folio
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i mean if you don't have sanctuary as well

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since at best fk stuff provides bodies and a pop in that case since no xyz

tidal quartz
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Yeah, you basically have my main just the last card we have a different idea towards

cinder folio
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?

tidal quartz
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Garunix

cinder folio
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ya

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i like it at 2 because it helps with otk and weird stuff

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and simultaneously tenki is ok to me

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but 2 is fine with 3 fraktal

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i feel like drawing garunix is nice going 2nd

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like an ideal hand is garunix + 1-2 fires + sanctuary/island if you want to otk into a weakish board

tidal quartz
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Yeah it's nice but the fact that it holds 0 value in a Tri hand doesn't even make me consider

cinder folio
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kerass discard garunix 😄

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but that's about it

tidal quartz
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I already play 3 cards that are just bricks when only drawing Tri I don't want 4

cinder folio
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i get it

tidal quartz
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Oh and sky burn too, but it's to good hahaha

cinder folio
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and tenki is arvata, which is excellent in tri hands as if the tri hand has fraktal you don't NS

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sky burn lets you dodge imperm going 1st

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that alone is worth it a bit

tidal quartz
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Yeah I've done that once only but it's satisfying

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Oh and the issue with card advantage also gets covered with zealantis línes

cinder folio
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it's like a worse version of the floo quick play XD

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but also it's ridiculous removal on you opponent's turn

tidal quartz
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It's so good in pure I'd play 2 tbh

cinder folio
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btw, spellbound has been cool the few times i've drawn it

solid rampart
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i like it too

tidal quartz
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It's a cool card

cinder folio
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i love that it hoses floo

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any deck that can play shifter is my mortal enemy at this point

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and floo can loop shifter

solid rampart
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fr

tidal quartz
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Got shiftered the other day and 2-0ed him

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Let him know what the better birds are

cinder folio
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i'll try 1 garunix

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outside of my saturday locals (if it even happens) locals are dead for 3 weeks

tidal quartz
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Yeah the holidays

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Well I got to get going tomorrow I have an interview

cinder folio
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yay for working at home

tidal quartz
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Good luck in testing and locals hope my ideas help

cinder folio
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i get to roll out of bed

tidal quartz
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Me too

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Hahaha

cinder folio
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except i have to drive my gf to work some days

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whatever, 4 more days before 2 weeks off

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time to copy my list to nexus so i can practice during work XD

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edo is basically my deck builder, since it's the easiest to copy from to other spots

solid rampart
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that makes sense

cinder folio
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ydke button then ctrl+v for omega

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on nexus and book you import the ydk

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best part of omega:

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i use rush duel frame for the big version

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it's funny omega doesn't use the link layout from the dub, it's basically the same

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i should probably get to be at this point too

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i'll do a bunch of testing with that list tomorrow night i guess

void charm
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This was a very interesting conversation lol

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I like the idea of heatsoul!

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More cards in hand is always good

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I also think we should strongly consider crossout to avoid death by droll

solid rampart
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ive also been testing crossout

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it also helps with imperm, which is a lot harder to punish

void charm
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How did you make space?

solid rampart
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this is my list

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i had to make a lot of concessions

void charm
# solid rampart

U could probably cut 1 arvata to get the 3rd crossout if you wanted

solid rampart
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was thinking that

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but i was wondering if i even need the 3rd tbh

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still testing

void charm
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Yeah, let me know please. My time is really limited right now so i cant do much testing myself for awhile

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@tidal quartz going through your heatsoul replay, why does kirin go back to your hand after?

solid rampart
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sunlight wolf im guessing

gleaming sluice
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Gold pride will go with goblins right?

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Wrong channel to ask I guess lmao

solid rampart
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lol

cinder folio
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Huh, apparently I have been given a role because I talk a lot about the tri version

tidal quartz
void charm
tidal quartz
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I remember having a misclick in one but no it's always kirin

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Since you don't need Ponix in hand cause heatsoul is already the fire you can pop with kirin

void charm
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Here is the link to what i am talking about

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Maybe it was just a misclick

cinder folio
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So um, I guess I'll defer to you guys when there's something I don't know about to help with stuff

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I feel like this is a good excuse to finally getting around to writing a Yugioh deck guide/breakdown. I did always complain about the lack of written yugioh content.

drowsy horizon
cinder folio
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Still the best username

polar pilot
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Do we have a place to find replays for combos etc. I feel like I'm not using my engines well enough. Like at all.

drowsy horizon
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Yeah I tried watching some the other day, it's just not my style

shell wind
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The deck is really versatile in its line,same cards can go to differents endboards

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Like Fraktal+ponix

polar pilot
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I'd say I made rugal revolt with eternity setup a lot last Saturday. But I don't know if I could have made different board by using my resources better. It's like I'm usually using the engines side by side and not together. Also trib I think I could do more. Like I never made things like ddl to supplement my board even if I'm sure I could have. Ofc I have no specific hands I can tell you

cinder folio
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Vagabond posted some yesterday

polar pilot
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The curse of the giant thread. Bad search.
Can we get the thread made into a full channel so we get functions back and make threads inside here?

cinder folio
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One thing worth trying if you're not used to it is to give yourself a tri-only hand and try out the limits of those

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I think they're planning on something like that

polar pilot
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I'll test around. Inexperience is huge for me right now. Especially since I'm not a seasoned trib player either.

cinder folio
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That makes sense

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I've gone from lyrilusc tri to pure to zoo, back to pure, spright, now fire king

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Forgot the brief attempt at branded tri in the middle there

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Back before verte was banned

polar pilot
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Huh. Zealantis I see. Interesting

cinder folio
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I need to learn those combos

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I sorta took this deck from a tei-brigade perspective without knowing any fire king stuff other than the basics

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Literally normal ponix, sanctuary, island, Garunix kill barong from deck, pass

polar pilot
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That is my current knowledge checkpoint too

cinder folio
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I didn't know anything more complicated with the links

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I think I'm gonna attempt to write up a guide

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Not sure I'll be able to this week, it I'm off 2 weeks for Christmas

polar pilot
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You think just getting flamberge ash and the normal snake spell is wise good right now? Even if I don't want to get wanted

cinder folio
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Not sure, might be a better question for the main deck room

polar pilot
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Tru

cinder folio
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But I think they may not be worth if you won't be able to get bonfire

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Bonfire makes Populus insane

polar pilot
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Well I might be able to get bon but not bon plus wanted plus witch plus Promethean

cinder folio
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Get what you can now

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I know flamberge went up recently

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But honestly ask in the main deck building room

polar pilot
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Ye

cinder folio
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I already have everything for that build so far, I super lucked out on my wanted pre-orders

polar pilot
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Sold my wanted from preview event to get sp lol

cinder folio
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Worth it

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SP is more versatile

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I'll probably be bothering people here for ideas and proofreading for the guide whenever I start it

polar pilot
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The zealantis stuff is very interesting in vagabonds vids. The fact that you can link of shuraig while preserving the body is something

cinder folio
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Never written one before

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The other use technically is linking off apo if she somehow survives

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Somehow

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I feel like most people normal and attack over out of spite

shell wind
shell wind
polar pilot
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So far it looks like a nice tool for building the big boards. The frak trib Tri type combo from vagabonds videos is insane.

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What sold me on the deck as a whole was when I got evenlyd on Saturday and I flipped revolt, got shuraig kept him then in MP 2 Kirin in hand enabled pop 1 banish 1 with follow up. Felt like a genius

shell wind
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Yeah, evenly do not kill us

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You can also keep Apo if you want,you trigger Revolt at the start of the Battle,get Kitt to hand and if It was a bait,you can still trigger Omen with Kirin

polar pilot
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Endboard was rugal set imperm island sanctuary revolt.

shell wind
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Then yes,keep Revolt for the banish hahaha

polar pilot
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Jeah there was no reason why I should have revolted in response to evenly. Still won that one tho

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Anyone knows how to deal with Horus?

shell wind
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Try to otk them if given the chance

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Always remove the one that recovers 2 cards first

cinder folio
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Btw, I love how because I'm the one that spoke up, I became our representative XD

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Just gives me a reason to learn more sooner

void charm
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it is super nice some people are willing to record and help like that, but at that point, why would you post something that isn't done exactly right to help the most people?

drowsy horizon
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Banlist

polar pilot
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Nothing changes for us I think? Second pank for side maybe

drowsy horizon
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Tcboo at 2 that's it really

polar pilot
#

1

drowsy horizon
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Yeah my bad

void charm
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our deck here doesnt change at all, we are 100% the same

shell wind
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Yep

void charm
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i'm decently active in the infernoble sever....they are a wreck. I feel bad

drowsy horizon
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Lol they shouldn't be surprised

void charm
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isolde kills the whole deck, a more fair hit would have been connector. It isn't like that deck was killing it

cinder folio
#

T_T

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literally hit dolphin and maybe pb

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that's all it took

void charm
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it does suck. Some of those people in there are completely in shambles. I feel bad. I enjoyed that deck but skill level was too high for me at the time i wanted to play it. Required too much time to get mastered which i still don't have until really february

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deck was really cool though

shell wind
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They got like 2 events to enjoy the deck and then bum

polar pilot
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Didn't they have a non Isolde line anyways and did the Isolde one for baiting imperm?

void charm
polar pilot
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Then I've been lied too

void charm
#

now the deck has to function through angelica, which is not nearly as strong and if you can stop angelica, it ends. and even if you let angelica go, it isn't nearly as strong.

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maybe the chefs over there can cook

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but right now it seems completely joever

polar pilot
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The fact they can't free send ring and p blade anymore is big I guess

void charm
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i think we are going to see a lot of people joining the server now

cinder folio
#

i'm sad about infernoble, but i look forward to brewing it in master duel now i guess

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i have this deck as a backup, also dlink

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so i'm sad, but fine

void charm
#

i like this deck more than infernoble. It helps that the learning curve is halved bc I have a lot of experience with Tri and love playing with them

cinder folio
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i like decks where i sort of just figure out a combo as i go

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this, infernoble, dlink, branded

void charm
shell wind
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I've thinking and reading the sheet found in the FAQ about the main combos of Pure/Diabel FK and i though that we could make something similar, so i started another Sheet to documents the combos with DB replays:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XGCakwaKaJRErdDUsfDvV7ok-Rh8r08NPwWsK-VVGqQ/edit?usp=sharing

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Feel Free to edit it

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I will add more combos tomorrow

cinder folio
#

there's a thing i've seen some others do in replays where you tupe in the chat during the game you record to explain stuff, not sure how much we need here, but its nice when stuf needs clarifying

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i want to attempt to write a guide, and having combo links to point to will help that process

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that way i can focus on explaining the deck and the card choices

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no idea if i'll be able to have the energy to start until the weekend because of work >_>

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but i have 2 weeks off at least

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only 3 days away

shell wind
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hahaha

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I put some comments in the replays during the Standbay process

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So it is clear what i'm doing

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I will try to document all the combos that i made during my games on omega/edo/paper

cinder folio
#

woo

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i need to go watch those shorts vagabond posted yesterday at some point

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i still find it funny that i'm the person picked to represent us

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i am basically half the posts...but i also post like 3-5 things at a time

shell wind
#

I also try too focus in either 2 card combos or 1.5 as 3 card combos are not "common" enough to keep in mind when choosing the deck

ocean galleon
#

I wanna try TriKings

cinder folio
#

you've come to the right place

ocean galleon
#

Any good starting decklist or skeleton?

solid rampart
#

#Yugioh_Neuron

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this is an example list

void charm
#

If i somehow dont have a linkuriboh do i even bother with heatsoul

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And sunlight wolf

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Idk how i dont have 1

solid rampart
#

nah that entire combo is cuttable

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i see a lot of videos of people on higher tri-brigade counts

polar pilot
#

Hmm. Wat is the best thing to do if you hard open garunix with ponix?

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Normal ponix get sanc and fki pop ponix get Kirin special garunix pop kit? Barong wouldn't really get me far right? Get me arvata for next turn but I still have garunix on field doing nothing.

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Wait no. Now I have a trib in hand and Kirin. I don't want to discard him for kerass or I will not have him next turn

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Assuming the rest of my hand is like all imperms

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Just 3 mat apo set revolt?

solid rampart
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3 mat apo and revolt is my go to end board

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and if i can get the hyang garunix online

polar pilot
#

Well it is a good endboard if you also have interaction in hand. Too bad this line can't get hyang online too. Need a Tri type

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Or am I missing something?

shell wind
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Diabell + Garunix is both 3 Mat apo and the FK set Up

polar pilot
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Well. I don't have a month's rent lying around so that isn't going to happen 🙂

shell wind
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I dont have wanted neither

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buuut

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I have 3 Diabell

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😂

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As combo porpouses

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It is the same

shell wind
#

I do not know what to cut to get space for linkuribo

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Without it the Heatsouls line do not work mostly

polar pilot
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Linkuri is required for heat jeah.

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Zealantis stole my heart. This is where I am right now. I don't know what to put in the last few slots (pre banlist) for Friday. Also not so sure about the beast warrior ratios. Maybe a second arvata for a tenki?

shell wind
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Umm

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Because of droll and ash i usually like to play 2 Arvatas yeah

polar pilot
#

If you have gas normal arvata and go trib combo is very nice

shell wind
#

Yep

polar pilot
#

Swapping a tenki for arvata might be right I think.

shell wind
#

Also sometimes you want to have 2 arvatas to pop 1 from Deck from garunix

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And still have the other

polar pilot
#

I still haven't wrapped my head around arvata yet. The revive reads cool but I haven't found a way to use it turn 1. Is this just a turn 3 thing?

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Ideas for the last few slots? Don't own any spellbounds

shell wind
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ummm

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Maybe bystials?

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I dont know, tear is not gonna be relevant

polar pilot
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Oh this is the last locals pre banlist. So tear running rampant is very possible.
Buuut I have no druis. Only 1 magna 3 baldrake

round zenith
polar pilot
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Thanks. Hopefully i get some good opportunities on Fr to play. Sometimes they cut the tournament short BC of very dumb reasons or I get non-games

drowsy sleet
#

I’ve seen some people run 2 sanctuary so you could cut one of those

tidal quartz
tidal quartz
polar pilot
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Understandable. Still very useful and inspiring.

tidal quartz
#

I can still go for a longer video to have both resources and maybe add some audio, but I don't mind the feedback I've always done combos for several several decks and topped multiple times in regionals I legitimately believe I have decent information that can help people top events, hell my super heavy samurai list made it to second place in MX nationals this year

drowsy horizon
#

Friend went 5-0 with a list he threw together Sunday at one of our larger locals, list was just thrown together too. But he's a really good player, don't think the lists matters too much. The build is pretty flexible I feel

tidal quartz
#

There are things that aren't flexible aka blatantly incorrect like 1 nerv, or 2 kirin, 2-3 arvata

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The tri engine is kinda frágil on its numbers, using it mainly as consistency to get into the fire king combo is worse then playing nadir, but actually using it as a secondary engine is the way to go

drowsy horizon
#

It's moreso knowing how to play it, I feel

tidal quartz
#

Yeah knowing the end bards with any hand is just a cheat code for the deck, since it can vary

shell wind
#

Also a lot of hand con go way diferent ways

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Like, ponix + fraktal

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You can treat fraktal like a fire

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or try to push for tri

drowsy sleet
tidal quartz
cinder folio
#

I'm gonna test some tonight, didn't have time yesterday. I saw the combo with zealantis and I guess it makes sense for that more limited hand

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But you can also just go for SP, but block the arrows annoyingly

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I'm sold on heatsoul purely on the fact that it gets you an extra card to put back for revolt of bearbrumm

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Well shit

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Ok I saw the last combo on the list

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I'm sold on zealantis

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@tidal quartz I don't get the point of activating zealantis at the end of the last combo

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It just lets you move zealantis effectively

tidal quartz
#

Thanks was sabot to ask

cinder folio
#

I realized you were on mobile so I linked it

tidal quartz
#

Yo put it in a position where it's colinked with apo

cinder folio
#

Oh

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I forgot zealantis does something else

tidal quartz
#

Yeah it quick eff pops for every colinked

cinder folio
#

So up to 3 in this combo

tidal quartz
#

Mention that on the side for the sp,zealantis and on this one I think

tidal quartz
cinder folio
#

When you say sp there, you mean standby right?

tidal quartz
cinder folio
#

This stops people from walking over apo as well ideally

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Without zealantis there people just bait apo once then summon a 1700+

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I'll practice and test tonight then

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I'm not sure if I have Saturday locals this week since it's close to Christmas, same for next Saturday. Guess I'll see

tidal quartz
#

Yeah it's good to have so many layers in these combos

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And since they are unknown cards they'll usually just go to BP so for the first weeks it's free games out of lack of knowledge

cinder folio
#

That's the main appeal to the tri build, less space for non-engine, but varied disruption

shell wind
#

As you can banish any threat

cinder folio
#

Best thing that happened at locals once was they had storm for my island, sanctuary and set revolt. I used revolt in response and protected island with sanctuary

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Then I got my Shuraig banish when I summoned kirin

polar pilot
#

The fact that shuraig banish is on bbw summon and not just his own is sooo good

shell wind
#

That why i like to play rugal

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You can use Revolt in response to backrow removal without losing the banish

cinder folio
#

we got a list!

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not the same as what we've been testing, but similar ideas at least

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the 3 nerval is...a choice

drowsy horizon
#

1 Garunix

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Yeah the list is flexible like I was saying just really need to know how to pilot it

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Know what endboard your hand makes

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Good general non engine

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And side for what you're worried about

vocal knot
#

Top 8 with no diabell PogU

cinder folio
#

I agree with vagabond on no spoils in this build

drowsy horizon
#

My friend who went undefeated didn't run it either, but I also think he doesn't have it. That's most likely the case with most people who play this deck, they come to it with budgetary reasons in mind

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But it doesn't need it

cinder folio
#

I have it, and have basically had a bad time most times I accessed it unless the rest of my hand was non engine

drowsy horizon
#

I think if you run it you have to go over 40 just no way to run it and enough non engine

cinder folio
#

It also just doesn't do enough

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If you get it and ponix it's basically neutral

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Those slots could have been anything else in that case

drowsy horizon
#

IF

polar pilot
drowsy horizon
#

I agree with that

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I agree with the if you open wanted and Ponix, not the thing about the list

drowsy horizon
#

Also the event only had 100 players and it's still kinda new so people aren't playing against it optimally. But yeah I would cut some Tris, but again my friend ran similar and did well too. The tri provides a solid base and fallback

sage shale
#

2700 comments

#

Holy fuq

cinder folio
#

Welcome

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A lot of them is me posting like 2-5 shorter posts in a row

polar pilot
shell wind
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I usually tend to go more for the FK side of the deck if posible and extend with tri

ocean spruce
#

my isolde is dead

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and i came here

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i wanna play some birbs

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🥹

drowsy horizon
ocean spruce
#

this deck is very cheap for me lol

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i just need tri and fire king core

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oh and tenki etc

ocean spruce
solid rampart
#

yeah thats been the problem for me, idk if i should approach the deck as a fk deck with a tri engine or tri deck with a fk engine

solid rampart
cinder folio
#

i feel like if it's fk with a tri engine, just play fk or fk spoils

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or fk nadir

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which is terrible

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oh wait

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you said the reverse

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i mean i guess

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but fk requires a lot of cards to truly benefit

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what goes out for zealantis?

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i want to try it

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it's either typhon or ding it feels like

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@tidal quartz opinions? (if you're awake, no idea on time zone)

solid rampart
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i say dingy

cinder folio
#

i'm proud of how much i was able to make parts of the deck line up

shell wind
#

ding 100%

solid rampart
#

bro fr youre putting in work

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thats how you earned your role

cinder folio
#

it's even more aesthetic in omega

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nah, i earned it by being talkative

solid rampart
#

omega ui is so nice

shell wind
#

Tri already has non destruction removal in shuraig, ding is not necesary

solid rampart
#

designated yapper

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yeah i think the destruction protection would be the more useful effect

cinder folio
#

i literally saw skarlon meming about the @ everyone from the admin, so i came to post in that room about how the tri deck is actually a worthwhile budget option

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and boom, role

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look at how clean that lines up

shell wind
#

Could you post this as a Duelinbook link?

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That way i can put it the sheet

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: D

solid rampart
#

i think you can just copy the ydk and import it to db

cinder folio
shell wind
#

Thanks!

cinder folio
#

ok that's annoying though

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it's linked to my actual deck list

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one sec

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ok, i renamed it and made a copy so i don't edit it by accident, link is the same

shell wind
#

Perfect!

shell wind
#

Oh wow

cinder folio
#

it's a neat site

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i found it through the budget deck master posts back when those were being made

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i think duelingbook is more visually appealing

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the price breakdown is neat though

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most expensive card: sp

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2nd most by 85 less? typhon 😛

shell wind
#

S:P cost almost as all the deck together

cinder folio
#

sp is somewhat replaceable

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use donner

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not the exact same

shell wind
#

You can play Donner/unicorn

cinder folio
#

but what can you do?

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yo, ddl is up in price

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wow

shell wind
#

Yep

cinder folio
#

i've had one since lyrilusc tri

shell wind
#

wow 11$ in TCGplayer

cinder folio
#

ya

shell wind
#

But only 3€ in cardmarket

cinder folio
#

3rd most expensive card in the deck XD

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btw, if you don't own spellbound and it's cheap, get them

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they're really decent

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not every meta fits them

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but they're nice

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it's worse dbarrier that works going 2nd

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if you encounter a lot of floo, unchained, or other fire kings, it's not bad

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opponent triggers sanctuary: spellbound

solid rampart
#

how necessary is the heat soul line fr

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bc i want space for doom eagle

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and its between that and hiita

cinder folio
#

if you want to do it you need heatsoul and linkuriboh, otherwise cut both i guess

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hiita is really good

shell wind
#

Even Sunlight

cinder folio
#

oh ya

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sunlight too

shell wind
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3 spaces

cinder folio
#

hiita is good just because ash blossom exists

solid rampart
#

yeah

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and bc you can take other ppls hiita and make appo

shell wind
#

It is good in the "mirror"

solid rampart
#

yes

shell wind
#

you can joink a Garunix

cinder folio
#

steal an 8

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also steal literally garunix

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get the effect on special

shell wind
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Link into S:P or any other link-2/3

solid rampart
#

usually s:p yeah

cinder folio
#

i'm just trying this version out to see how i like it

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if i have locals saturday i get even more practice

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was just clearing some dailies in md first

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been playing bystial runick

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it literally feels like bullying playing that deck

solid rampart
#

that deck is actually

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nuts

cinder folio
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you slowly dwindle away all their shit, then by turn 10 when you finally get a battle phase you have 4 bystials on field

solid rampart
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so much recursion

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yeah

cinder folio
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i would play it in paper...but i only have 2 quem T_T

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also i feel like in person i'd fuck it up

solid rampart
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do you need need the 3rd?

cinder folio
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MD lets you be so precise with responding

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probably not

solid rampart
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i think youll be fine if you practice

cinder folio
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it's just a very good opener

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ya, but also i have this deck

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and i have 1-2 locals a week

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MD lets me try out tons of other stuff

solid rampart
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we have 3-4 locals a week

cinder folio
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i mean

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we have like 10

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but ones i go to there's 1-2

solid rampart
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bros not of the grind set mind set

cinder folio
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no

solid rampart
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lol i only ever go to 2 too

cinder folio
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i'm almost 33, i'm not busting my ass to win a few packs

solid rampart
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thats how i feel at 23

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now that most of investments go hit

cinder folio
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locals schedule as of 4 years ago, it's mostly accurate:

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montreal has a lot of card stores

solid rampart
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oh you're in montreal? thats cool

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do you guys get french cards

cinder folio
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yep

solid rampart
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are they euro print?

cinder folio
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most stores don't carry them XD

solid rampart
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rip

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so sad

cinder folio
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it's basically big box stores

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for stores that sell singles its not worth it, even for pokemon

solid rampart
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damn

cinder folio
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people want english cards so they retain value

solid rampart
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is that just bc the american market is so big?

cinder folio
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ya

solid rampart
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i see

cinder folio
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i did very much want to get my infernobles in french to be on theme

solid rampart
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that would've been nuts

cinder folio
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italian also technically valid

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as they're based on the italian story about france

solid rampart
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i want to have more foreign cards

cinder folio
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i feel like it's easier to get them for mtg

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i think because people love weird versions of cards for commander

solid rampart
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yeah you have to buy on ebay if you want them

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tcgplayer sometimes has them, thats how i got my leinkuriboh

cinder folio
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someone at my locals has all spanish gold rare eldlich cards

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when they were expensive i had to buy evil hero malicious bane and evil hero adusted gold in german

solid rampart
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oooo

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thats nice

cinder folio
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i made a little double-sided laminated card with the details in english to keep in my deck box

solid rampart
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oh thats sick

tidal quartz
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Funny enough I've never played a regional with TRI brigade even though I've played all versions of the deck

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First time in January

solid rampart
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let’s go

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i’ve never been to a regional

tidal quartz
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I've topped with, salad, math, tear and unchained

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Let's make it 5 with TRI King

solid rampart
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oh damn you’re just like that

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shooting for 5 😳

tidal quartz
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Or is it 6 I think I topped twice with salad due to how long it lived hahahaha

solid rampart
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that’s sick

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any tips

tidal quartz
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For specifically?

solid rampart
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i guess deck building/ longevity of this variant

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also how good is heatsoul package

tidal quartz
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I usually have a way to building every deck, kinda basic honestly, cut the bricks, if you cant break a board with engine play 12+ non engine, if you can play 9, always exploit the one card combos and work your way up from there it always clears your way on cards that are bricks and cards that aren't

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This variant I feel it's good up until February

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I saw a Tri win some event recently in ocg so I might give it a try either way with princess

solid rampart
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ok that makes sense

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thanks

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do you have a link to the ocg list?

cinder folio
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Luckily I don't need to do the regional as I got my invite

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Top 4 OTS championship a month ago

solid rampart
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let’s go

cinder folio
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1st place played that cyberdark exosister list

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I was on spoils infernoble

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I forgot to ask about judging the regionals though

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I still haven't gotten to judge an event yet

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opponent NS dolphin in branded to clear ash

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realized they're fucked:

solid rampart
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poor fellow

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in branded?

cinder folio
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my board before mirrorjade gy effect nukes my board

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shuraig to add crow XD

round zenith
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Portal are you doing regs on the 6th?

cinder folio
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nah

solid rampart
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why not make garunix xyz to reborn

round zenith
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Ah damn, I saw you were in MTL, was going to say wassup if I saw you

cinder folio
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doesn't mirror send?

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ah shit

solid rampart
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no

cinder folio
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you're right

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oh well

round zenith
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Mirrorjade destroys in ep

cinder folio
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i should know this

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i'm waiting for them to retribution the branded fusion so i can crow it

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i might go, i'm not sure

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kirin kit barong in hand:

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end board

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took the screencap before setting obviously

solid rampart
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it’s beautiful

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the deck is so fun

cinder folio
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lol, normal albaz, negate, battle, shuraig

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surrender

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game 3

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i win?

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oh no

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deployment for dolphin

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come on

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my hand is hot ass now

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basically need to draw amazing or talents gets me 2 good cards

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i'm baiting so hard here

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they used an effect

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bless

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talents steal mirrorjade

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make xyz

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ooof

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gy effect of rindbrum to summon albaz, make new mirrorjade with stolen mirror + albaz T_T

solid rampart
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well that is tough