ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

hello, santiago and meeka?

there will certainly be some npcs

[lavish sparrow]

some

[mighty lion]

They might find a way to keep cryos

[lavish sparrow]

not generic story farmer characters complaining that their 7 year old daughter was kidnapped by some goblins

[simple elk]

Ark 2 is looking more primitive so probably won't have cryos

[lavish sparrow]

not really

[untold ingot]

If it's an immovible structure sure, but I really really don't want mobile cryos lol

[mortal kestrel]

I think cryos can stay if you can only have a certain amount of cryo'd dinosaurs or something

they are great for reducing lag from your amount of tames, but it does take a lot of danger out of ark when moving bases

[mighty lion]

We discussed it with bluestone

[left arch]

We don't even know how the tribe system or PvP will work in the first place
It may be impossible to even lock down an entire map just based off of some arbitrary limit anyway
We have no idea

[lavish sparrow]

Also imagine a server with rust level player count support

that would need a huge map

[mortal kestrel]

oh that could be cool

like a dino storage obelisk of some kind that can "upload" dinos into it, not unlike transfering

[untold ingot]

You talked cryos with bluestone? I must have missed that

[lavish sparrow]

wait ark devs actually come on here?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[lavish sparrow]

thats actually pretty nice

[untold ingot]

As long as you can't carry around gigas

[mortal kestrel]

people with black and dark purple names work at wildcard

[lavish sparrow]

oh godf

blue ob nightmares 😦

having fun bloodstalker pvp then someone pocket gigas and ruins it

although half the time it just means a free kit for me and -1 kit and -1 giga for them

[untold ingot]

This is why the need to remove cryos lol

[lavish sparrow]

No

actually yes

idk my brains split on the idea

[mighty lion]

@untold ingot I believe it was another discussion tho

[untold ingot]

Ahh

[lavish sparrow]

What would be cool is if there was a secret location that was randomized where you could find a secret sword that is good

[mortal kestrel]

tbh this brings me to another thing I want to see in arkII

not necessarily the removal of gigas, but more so the concept that a dinos size scales its relevancy... the bigger a creature is in ark, the more impactful it tends to be (brontos for berries, gigas, rexes, titans...)

I dont want to be able to tell how strong a creature is relevant to other creatures just by its size... so I am hoping dinos will each have their own kind of special attacks and combo stuff that we players will have too, so most dinos will be useful in some way

[untold ingot]

Well, if they make a permanent structure "stable" instead of mobile cryos, I have no issue with it.

[mortal kestrel]

same

granted, thats as long as we have some tames we can use to carry other tames

otherwise moving will just be straight up tedious and annoying

[untold ingot]

I wanna see gigas gone too lol

[mortal kestrel]

I want to see the implimentation of them gone

[mighty lion]

@untold ingot read what I'm replying to in this reply lol

[mortal kestrel]

I find it dumb that they get nerfed so hard when you tame them

[untold ingot]

The idea is that it is tedious to trek an entire army of soakers/pvp Dinos so thst bases actually can get a chance to build up

[left arch]

I don't think their is going to be electricity of any kind and it doesn't make sense for cryopods and the like

They specifically stated a primitive survival game

Electric engineering isn't primitive

[untold ingot]

Well, there absolutely has to be a way of storing unused tames lol, that's why cryos were introduced in the first place

[mortal kestrel]

well to be fair, damage will be much more relevant in arkII, with the potential for location based damage, combos, and skills

I dont quite think armies will do the job anymore

[untold ingot]

Doesn't matter what the changes are, more people and more tames will win 90% of the time lol

[mortal kestrel]

I want a dinos power to depend on how much time you spend actually using it, so its a personal investment of time for each one

instead of just "I sat in a metal box for a year now fear me"

[left arch]

Well realistically there doesn't
You can set up a food trough at base and have them all feeding
No need to carry them in a Pokeball

[mortal kestrel]

I personally believe in quality over quantity

[left arch]

Your basing this off ark meta
Which won't exist in ark 2

Because we don't know anything about ark 2 gameplay

[mortal kestrel]

not that it matters much with arkIs systems

but we know arkIi will have entirely different systems, so meh

[untold ingot]

Lol, yeah, have 20000 dinos out moving around and see what that does to your server. No there has to be a way to store them so that the server doesn't get overloaded

[left arch]

But that's the point

[mortal kestrel]

yeah ^ hence me saying I want it for performance purposes

[left arch]

If you can't keep up with what Dino's you are taming than don't tame them

[untold ingot]

As do I, it doesn't change the fact that in pvp the side that has more resources will probably win the fight

[mortal kestrel]

not really no, its just an annoyance on pve servers

[left arch]

And once again we don't even know of you can tame tons of Dino's

[lavish sparrow]

Wait so nintendo switch is getting a huge optimization update would it also come to ark 1 pc?

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see why we wouldnt be able to

[untold ingot]

I am thinking you have never played official before lol

[left arch]

We don't know enough about ark 2 to say we should have a magical Dino storage system

[mortal kestrel]

no switch isnt managed by wildcard

[left arch]

Yes

[mortal kestrel]

and pc ark cant be optimized without a recode

so not likely to happen

[lavish sparrow]

Which is whats happening to switch

[left arch]

They said all the changes coming to switch are coming to all other versions

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[untold ingot]

Unless they limit the number of tames per tribe to a ridiculously small number there has to be a way lol

[mortal kestrel]

because switch is much smaller

[lavish sparrow]

switch is getting a recode yet it isnt even the majority of the games playerbase

All platforms have performance issues

[mortal kestrel]

because again the recode isnt being done by wildcard

[untold ingot]

It's getting a port 🤣, not a recode lol

[lavish sparrow]

it already has a port

[mortal kestrel]

because switch again isnt managed by wildcard

[left arch]

And all platforms are getting the changes
They said this when talking about the changes

The switch gets the changes first
Then the rest of the platforms

[mortal kestrel]

I thought that was just referencing the scorched earth ascension cinematic?

[lavish sparrow]

ah ok

honestly sounds about right

[left arch]

I will read over it again later but I thought it said plural

[lavish sparrow]

ark on switch is actually awful

[left arch]

Like multiple changes

[lavish sparrow]

also would it be possible for crossplay?

[mighty lion]

" primarily" primitive

[lavish sparrow]

the reason theres no crossplay is because of differences in the game and console having some things pc doesnt

[mortal kestrel]

actually no

[mighty lion]

Dr. Stoning a generator is primitive

[left arch]

Or tames could be infinitely harder to get
Or breeding could be an entirely different system and take longer
Or the meta could just not be about have hundreds of soakers

[mortal kestrel]

the reason there is no crossplay is the differences in coding, as ark is native to pc

[fallow niche]

Did they mention ark2 being on switch?

[mortal kestrel]

no

[fallow niche]

Oh rip

[mortal kestrel]

just pc and xbox

[left arch]

There is no reason to assume it would work with ark 2 to be able to store Dino's

[lavish sparrow]

Honestly switch is a super weak console

[fallow niche]

Unfortunate

[lavish sparrow]

it would hardly run

[untold ingot]

Yeah, those ideas won't really work long term lol

[mighty lion]

And a mobile game version of ark 2 ( from job posting)

[mortal kestrel]

I certainly hope breeding will be different

it should exist only for imprint and for colors imo

[mighty lion]

Breeding for muts is what set ark apart for me

[mortal kestrel]

arkII will likely have crossplay between pc and xbox considering consoles will have mods too

but playedstation depends entirely on sony

[lavish sparrow]

my friend has a ryzen 5 3350g using integrated graphics can get an experience identical to breath of the wild on the switch on his pc using Cemu

[lavish sparrow]

I mean its basically a no at this point

its too late to suddenly bring a port to playstation and have it come out on release date

I'd rather there not be another delay

[mortal kestrel]

its a piss poor progression system that encourages nothing but sitting in a metal box for a year for "progression" rather than actually interacting with the world

[mighty lion]

Might as well be pokemon without stat muts. Training for ev values and breeding shinys lol

[lavish sparrow]

I do wish wildcard would show a tiny amount of gameplay

[left arch]

My point is
Is that while ark 2 is the same game at its base it's having many changes from the first to gameplay
So we can not assume that it is going to be the same style of mass taming a bunch of Dino's and putting them in a breeding farm for a few weeks to get hundreds of soakers

[lavish sparrow]

same

breeding for muts is the only reason to mass breed

[mortal kestrel]

Im saying later on down the line assuming the game even ever releases for playedstation

[lavish sparrow]

not happening

[mortal kestrel]

mutations should only affect colors in arkII, not stats

[mighty lion]

That's your opinion, others it's a competitive arms race to get a better tame. I've never spent my entire playtime breeding and I've held stats well above market

[lavish sparrow]

they would have to still bring constant updates

[lavish sparrow]

but then that eliminated a huge part of pvp

breeding for muts for higher stego health higher giga melee etc

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt call sitting in a box for a year staring at timers "competitive"

its just who can do the moms basement impression the hardest

[lavish sparrow]

Also I wish wildcard would make it possible for people to alter the lighting engine in ways similar to minecrafts shaderpacks available for optifine and sodium

[mighty lion]

Again, that's not reality

[lavish sparrow]

It could lift pressure off of wildcard to release features like Ray Tracing

[mortal kestrel]

thats an unreal limitation tbh

[lavish sparrow]

I mean

[mortal kestrel]

ark is on a custom version randomly

[lavish sparrow]

reshade exists?

[mortal kestrel]

Im interested to see the lighting in arkII, unreal5 has lots of pretty options

[lavish sparrow]

better have RTX

[mighty lion]

If people dont want stat muts, I'm sure they'll have custom official servers, like they do in ark 1

[lavish sparrow]

I would give all my money for ray tracing

[left arch]

It will almost certainly release on PlayStation down the line
Just not on initial release because PlayStation doesn't allow early access titles

[untold ingot]

You can call it whatever you want, but it is essentially the same as countries funding defense and weapons lol, it is very much an arms race lol

[lavish sparrow]

S+ hatchery

[mortal kestrel]

[lavish sparrow]

S+ nanny

[mortal kestrel]

oh thats funny, comparing ark to countries now

[mortal kestrel]

those are mods, that is different

Im talking about official

[lavish sparrow]

I mean the conflict between ukraine and russia is like 2 ark tribes fighting

[mortal kestrel]

ah yes, bombing children

nice ark combat

[lavish sparrow]

I mean ark pvp players would happily joke about that

[mighty lion]

The only time consuming thing was looking through babies for muts. People dont wait on timers unless afk, we set phone timers 5 minutes before lol

Dododex op

[lavish sparrow]

Wait what about the idea of territory

[mortal kestrel]

I dont think that idea even exists tbh

outside of maybe slot capping servers

[mighty lion]

How would you.implent this practically?

[lavish sparrow]

I'm not 100% sure honestly

maybe snap points?

small structures people fight to take over

points of interest

[mortal kestrel]

have flags with a radius that you can build in

and the area in that flags radius is protected

meanwhile non "flagged" builds are exposed

[lavish sparrow]

You guys played New World?

amazons shitty MMORPG mess of a game?

[mortal kestrel]

that would be a basic territory concept imo

[mortal kestrel]

who?

[lavish sparrow]

?

new world, the game

it has a territory system

[mortal kestrel]

to be fair, new world flopped more so due to bots, bugs, and poor development decisions and less so the game itself

[lavish sparrow]

you fight at outposts and try to capture a zone basically while trying to fight off other players defending

[lavish sparrow]

yea and the performance is terrible

1050ti gets 30fps on lowest settings 1080p

rtx 3070 gets an unstable 60fps on max

but the territory system isnt terrible

[mortal kestrel]

new world is a full loot pvp game focused on player vs player

[lavish sparrow]

the pvp aspect of territory isnt bad

[hollow vortex]

I want to buy an arc server from Discord, do you know where?

[mortal kestrel]

what does this have to do with arkII?

[lavish sparrow]

nothing

[mortal kestrel]

exactly

[lavish sparrow]

Also I'm curious about the minimum specs

and also the linux support

[left arch]

Well it's running on unreal 5 so if they do well then it should be pretty reasonable

Like a 1660

[lavish sparrow]

lol definitely not

that would be fucking insane

I cant imagine it running any worse than ark 1

unreal engine 5 also is more optimized than ue4

the same thing on ue5 will be better than ue4 I'm pretty sure

[left arch]

Yes

[lavish sparrow]

the limits of eu4 lie in the performance impact of a lot of features

[left arch]

I know
But they are also going for way more fidelity because of that

[lavish sparrow]

Yes

Meaning they better have good performance solutions

[left arch]

Because they have so much more headroom they can include much more in terms of detail
Bringing the performance back down

[lavish sparrow]

Look at apex legends, open world game with decent graphics

runs at more than double the fps of ark 1 while looking better

[left arch]

Apex legends also has extremely muddy textures and a tiny map

[lavish sparrow]

but the overall product isnt bad

it lacks a good implementation of ambient occlusion

ambient occlusion is the only reason ark 1 looks any good

[left arch]

No the graphics are still nice but aren't as good as ark 1 nor does it have to run nearly as many background processes

[lavish sparrow]

I said decent graphics

the graphics are quite clearly different, its hard to compare

actually I think its up to the map design and not the games graphics

good developers can mask muddy textures with amazing world design

elden ring for example pretty bad graphics but amazing world and boss design

[stark ice]

Tiny map? Have you played any map other than the original

[left arch]

Yes

[lavish sparrow]

yea

[left arch]

They are pretty small

[lavish sparrow]

apex does NOT have a tiny map

[stark ice]

Then you’d know they aren’t tiny 😂

[lavish sparrow]

olympus is the smallest map

worlds edge is pretty big

storm point, as shit as it is, is pretty big

[mighty lion]

I'm down for locations to hold that give tribes boosts like 2x breeding, resource gathering, etc

[lavish sparrow]

the problem with that is the constant competition

maintaining it will be like a job

[mighty lion]

Pvp baby

[lavish sparrow]

also anyone know if ark 2 will the turrets + soakers raiding shit ark 1 has?

[left arch]

But anyway this is off the topic that we were talking about
Ark 2 had extra headroom for performance because of ue5 but I'd also going for a lot higher level of graphical fidelity
So based off of modern graphics cards
The 1660 is a generation behind
Is mid to low level and would be a completely reasonable minimum or recommended spec in our current day and age

[mighty lion]

I dont need it all the time, we dont know what PVP will be like yet, but we are free to speculate

[lavish sparrow]

Would be nice to have some kind of sneak peak though

5 months until 2023

halo infinite had its open beta 4 months before release

[mighty lion]

November 5th, extra life stream is our best hope for a sneak peak

[lavish sparrow]

eh thats quite a long wait for just some gameplay footage

[left arch]

They are a lot smaller than arks maps
Which is what I was talking about
Because we were talking about the performance from each game and I mentioned how the maps in apex are smaller and don't have as much of a performance impact

[stark ice]

Ark is NOT A BR

You can’t compare the two

[left arch]

I know that
I am not the one who brought it up

[stark ice]

They are different genres

Comparing them is menial

[left arch]

You can still compare the performance and understand the difference

[stark ice]

They performance of ark is terrible

[left arch]

Okay

[stark ice]

Lagging every few min bc they can’t blend terrain

[left arch]

Please read back what we were talking about
Because you are just parroting

[stark ice]

And the mesh is horrific

[left arch]

We are not in disagreement

[lavish sparrow]

not by much honestly

[lavish sparrow]

agreed

apex has amazing performance

although anything above 200fps is stuttery as shit

[mighty lion]

We can hope a will be fixed with the new game

[mint swan]

Halo doesnt launch in early access or game preview like had been announced for ARK 2

[stark ice]

Honestly I don’t imagine ark 2 will be any better if they continue to do things to their community like post laughing emojis when people express problems and ways to fix it 😂

[lavish sparrow]

lol

[mint swan]

Who doin that

[left arch]

Apex has amazing performance cause it is so much simpler
Ark is also terribly optimised but apex as a benchmark is kinda useless
It has a reasonable sized map
Barely any NPCs
Has basic hit recognition and so on

[lavish sparrow]

If you payed any attention to ark 2 posts you would see it has some really great idea's

[left arch]

Who have you seen being rude
Point me at em

[lavish sparrow]

I havent seen any proper gameplay though so my expectations are that it will perform similarly to call of duty or something

[stark ice]

ark devs when any console player points out anything wrong with the game 🤔

[mint swan]

I call cap tbh

[lavish sparrow]

🧢

[stark ice]

You can call it but it’s happened to me and many others

[tropic crag]

Pics or it didn't happen bud

[lavish sparrow]

ye

[stark ice]

What are we 5? Do your own research

No rudeness

[lavish sparrow]

idk I doubt ur much older though

[mint swan]

If you have any examples please DM them to me, that doesnt sound like how we want the team engaging with the community about their concerns.

[tropic crag]

So it's cap then, gg

[vestal elbow]

Will Ark 2 have the same kind of dino transferring?

[stark ice]

Ur right, 22 is really close to 5. My bad

[lavish sparrow]

Maybe act your age and you wont have people calling you a child :0

[tropic crag]

I sure hope not

[lavish sparrow]

22 year olds dont usually go into this channel simply to hate wildcard

[stark ice]

I’m not hating anything

[lavish sparrow]

ye u are

[stark ice]

I’m offering insight

[left arch]

He's trolling
Gimme a sec to get my anti trolling device

It's called a wood chipper

[stark ice]

Trolling 😂

[lavish sparrow]

.

[vestal elbow]

Same, after Aberration i took a break until just this week and the game has been miserable getting back into. Its like a game that never wipes and someone who has been playing the entire time will always have this massive advantage.

[tropic crag]

[lavish sparrow]

well no one laughed if that was the reaction you were hoping for

[stark ice]

there is no trolling happening bud

But you do you boo

[mint swan]

Have you considered trying one of the seasonal server types

[stark ice]

Good night 🥱

[tropic crag]

S'why I don't play PvP on servers I don't run, with good rules lol

[left arch]

Some pretty useless insight
Don't quote anything
Just asking me to "trust me bro it's happened to me and many others"

[vestal elbow]

Not sure, i have a lot of trouble in server selection finding populated servers in NA. For 100k people playing (according to steamcharts) it seems so empty. Unofficial is lifeless.

[lavish sparrow]

finding a good ark server is hard

and finding good tribemates is a nightmare

[stark ice]

You aren’t capable of doing your own research? I can’t hold your hand on the internet

[lavish sparrow]

look for a tribe someone dms me I ask their age they are all 13 with 100k hours on console

[tropic crag]

Then dm Blue like he said with the evidence of your accusations so they can be dealt with, don't just complain here, it's literally useless, we don't care lol

[mint swan]

Seriously though, please DM me with any examples so I can get it looked it.

[lavish sparrow]

he probably doesnt have any though

[left arch]

If you make a statement, to supposedly provide insight, and you want someone to believe it
You explain it properly and support it with evidence

[stark ice]

I wasn’t complaining? You turned it into that

[lavish sparrow]

"you started it"

[left arch]

Imma stop talking
Getting a lot of brick wall feelings from this

[lavish sparrow]

People cant help but talk shit sometimes

always gonna be shitheads like that in this world

[stark ice]

Okay 😑

You were just shit talking

[lavish sparrow]

dude no one wants you here you bring negativity so just go away?

[stark ice]

Guess you’re one of those people too

[mighty lion]

🤷‍♂️

[tropic crag]

Dude's first message was complaining about the devs and how they treat the console community lmao

[left arch]

I understand that wild card fucked up arks development in a few ways
But they have never been rude to their community
They have been one of the best developers when it comes to actively taking in feedback and just chatting with people

[stark ice]

No it wasn’t lmao

[lavish sparrow]

you are lingering around trying to start controversy in an ark 2 debate channel

[tropic crag]

🤡

[stark ice]

I’m responding to you’re responses, bc I’m 5

Stop and I’ll stop, or we all 5 round here

[winged dome]

Block and move on 🤷

[tropic crag]

If that isn't a complaint, then you are not fully developed in the brain region

[lavish sparrow]

You literally joined and started complaining about how poorly optimized ark is

[vestal elbow]

@mint swan Is there a better way to search for servers outside of the game? Cause when i filter by players only 9 servers show above 30 players (online) for NA. Seems really off for the amount playing unless people dont play that much pvp.

[lavish sparrow]

I replied to your complaint

[stark ice]

That wasn’t my first message 😑

[stark ice]

This is tho

[mighty lion]

Most are waiting for ark 2

[tropic crag]

Oh boy, the semantics arguing, I meant in this series of conversations 4head lmao but go off I guess

Get blocked

[left arch]

Anyway
Ark 2 performance should be a lot better
If it isn't we riot
And overall I'm exited for the ability to play at least 30fps on a game that doesn't look like play dough

[mint swan]

Just try some, memberlists are only ever a snapshot not a reflection of 24 hours or a weeks activity. There will be peaks, offpeaks etc.

[stark ice]

Ooh noo some internet stranger blocked me 😭

[tropic crag]

His discord bio too 😬 sounds more insufferable by the minute

[lavish sparrow]

@mint swanyo will ark 2 have some kind of ingame reporting system?

I dont like playing official because half the time I get railed by cheaters

[stark ice]

Have a look again😊

[mint swan]

I assume so, ARK 1 has one, but its not an area I am involved in, so I wouldn't be informed at this stage of pre-release development

[blissful perch]

Are the ark 1 and ark 2 teams entirely separate??

[lavish sparrow]

no

devs are set certain areas of the game to work on

[winged dome]

Battlemetrics is usually pretty good. Or Steam forum advertisements, but those tend to be hit or miss

[mint swan]

battlemetrics wont show epic players either

[blissful perch]

Idk if they may have dedicated ark 1 staff. It’s not unheard of

[left arch]

Bro really using gay as an insult in 2022 as if people care
Like nah dude I just love kissing the homies good night

[stark ice]

You’re right people don’t care

[lavish sparrow]

GUYS

[stark ice]

So why you over here stemming the situation

[lavish sparrow]

block and move on

[mint swan]

You should both really stop engaging with each other. Move on.

Folks are allowed to have complaints and concerns.

[mighty lion]

I wonder if the aratai villages will produce anything unique or useful

[blissful perch]

What if Aratai do beer runs ☠️

[left arch]

Normally Dev teams will be split between games and then further between areas of development
So bluestone is simply not part of the team that works on community engagement for ark 2 or whatever

[winged dome]

Probably. My guess is a lot of the new critters will be really hard to tame without something the Aratai do/produce. Since the Ark1 creatures were all bioengineered to be domesticated

[mighty lion]

1 giant primitive distillery lol

[left arch]

Thralls like Conan exiles
I just LOVE tying people up and making them work my mill
It doesn't make me feel bad at all I swear

[mighty lion]

Im hoping the knowledge points come into play

[left arch]

Vodka

[mighty lion]

Ngl, having NPCs do work does sound nice

[blissful perch]

You mean requiring knowledge points to unlock creatures to tame? Cause that’s cool

[winged dome]

Yeah, a research system for new creatures would be pretty cool

[tropic crag]

Broooooooo, what if you gotta do a mission where you trail the Aratai as they go to tame some new alien creature, to learn how they do it? That'd be sick

[lavish sparrow]

Wait anyone have any speculations for what the blueprint system will be like?

[tropic crag]

^^^

[left arch]

I like this idea

[lavish sparrow]

farming areas for item blueprints

[mighty lion]

They've stated missions to unlock the points like " track creature to its nest", so I'm hoping

[lavish sparrow]

technology remains stuff like that

[left arch]

All ark 1 creatures
Within reason
Are already tameable because you already know how but all the new ones you have to learn from the natives

[blissful perch]

I do think those creature events would be SICK

[mint swan]

a payment/mercenary system would feel more ethical(?) lol

[left arch]

Si

[lavish sparrow]

@mint swan Just curious would there be other more basic creates like maybe just foxes or generic animals in

[blissful perch]

Ethics? In my dinosaur game?

[winged dome]

Soo... Prisoners with jobs!

[left arch]

I always treat my dinosaurs with the utmost respect and never sacrifice them to the pits

[mighty lion]

I agree. "defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges"

[left arch]

😩

Sorry I just lose fluid to good dynamic events

[blissful perch]

It would be cool if it was an alternative taming method

[mighty lion]

I'd be down to periodically provide them with something they want in exchange for them performing trivial tasks.

[lavish sparrow]

wait will ark 2 seriously be 3rd person only?

[left arch]

Yes
With the new style of combat and movement it makes the most sense to be third person only

[winged dome]

Maybe different events give different bonuses? More taming affinity for a species, or unlock more types of food used to tame picky eaters. Also short term bonuses on top of permanent unlocks for repeating events so they're still handy to do for your preferred species

[lavish sparrow]

eh thats kinda a bummer for me

I was hoping for some form of first person

Ark 1 has gunplay and pvp in a dinosaur world so theoretically what would be stopping the crafting of those items in ark 2?

[blissful perch]

5 lines of code

[winged dome]

You can still shoot in third person

[left arch]

I don't really care about the third person camera until I see it in action

[lavish sparrow]

yea but what about scopes

iron sights

I feel like advanced pvp wont get much focus in ark 2

[wispy sierra]

you can still zoom in thrid person as well, many games have a way of doing it

[lavish sparrow]

yea ark 1 you can zoom in

pins post says third person only though

[left arch]

The game is centralised around the primitive aspect
Plus who do you know can go from rocks in the dirt to industrial engineering
That takes a long time and humanity hasn't had that time on their new planet yet
The arks and implants were essentially giving people the knowledge and the ability to make more modern technology from scratch
If you take away the controlled environment it makes story sense to not be able to make anything but primitive

At least not until much later

[lavish sparrow]

much later

see whats a progression system if you are stuck with the starting technology for the whole game

ark 1 wasnt primitive only, far from it

[blissful perch]

Lateral progression bb

[lavish sparrow]

I'm hoping later progression will have more advanced technology

[winged dome]

You can upgrade them. Using different bow limbs to increase arrow velocity or impact - different armor types to offer better protection

[tropic crag]

Doesn't mean scopes are out of the question, most third person shooters ala GTA 5 have scoped view even though the game is third

[left arch]

Ark 1 wasn't primitive only because you were in a controlled environment designed to train humans
Ark 2 is on a hostile alien planet
Progression isn't only on the technology you use
It's also in character abilities, stats, what Dino's you tame, etc

[lavish sparrow]

Yea but GTA isn't an open world pvp/pve survival game

Yes but what about the planets in the sky in the trailer?

[tropic crag]

Doesn't matter, it's still a third person perspective game with guns, is it not?

[left arch]

From the sound of passive abilities and so on it sounds like ark 2 could have more in-depth progression than ark 1
Even if it isn't progression of technology

[lavish sparrow]

they are habitable planets by the looks of it, whats stopping there from being humans monitoring from up there

[left arch]

We have no idea if they are habitable, what of they have a hydrogen atmosphere

[lavish sparrow]

well then whats the point of it being there

fancy sky?

[winged dome]

Because at the end of Gen2, ||the ring descended and dropped it's human cargo on Ariat before crashing||

[left arch]

Atmosphere, intrigue, because it looks cool

[tropic crag]

I'm 100% sure I can safely say there are no humans there lmao

[tropic crag]

Potential dlc locations as well, I hope

[lavish sparrow]

its unnecessary though

in all honesty I would prefer a clear sky without them though

personal preference of course

[blissful perch]

Technically “clear” skies don’t exist

[winged dome]

Why be in a sci-fi space setting if you can't see four planets at once? 😂

[left arch]

Thats like asking why abberation had glowing blue flora
Ugh I don't know it looks cool?

[blissful perch]

Our sky just looks clear because it’s THICC and blocks our vision of the other planets during the day

[lavish sparrow]

But other planets signifies that the map on ark 2 is tiny compared to it

[tropic crag]

Not really

[left arch]

And it very well might be
What if Arat is actually a large moon around an even larger prime celestial body

[lavish sparrow]

Also the cinematic at the end of gen2 bossfight

[tropic crag]

Quite the contrary in fact, we are on a planet, the maps will most likely be bigger than any maps we've gotten before

[lavish sparrow]

Yes but being able to see ruins of technology and 2 giant planets in the sky possibly signifies that they werent the first advanced beings there

[left arch]

I am interested in how they do the border of ark 2 map
Because in ark 1 it was cannon and wasn't some invisible wall
But ark 2 we won't have the arks wall

[left arch]

Planets exist
In space
Seeing them from the ground is cool
Doesn't mean anyone's been there

[blissful perch]

Extinction had those beacon pillars

[lavish sparrow]

yes but the planet in the sky is absolutely massive

[winged dome]

Maybe something like Extinction's Pillars of Death?

[lavish sparrow]

which probably means that the planet ark 2 is set on is orbiting it

[left arch]

So is Jupiter

We don't see little green men on Jupiter

[lavish sparrow]

@left arch

ark 2 is based on a planet orbiting 1 big planet possibly signifying that it has more of a meaning than it just meaning sky deco

[left arch]

We don't know that because we have no sense of scale
It shouldnt be that close if we were orbiting it

It shouldnt be that close at all but we suspend our disbelief because it looks cool

[lavish sparrow]

look at the size of Earth when on the moon

[blissful perch]

The moon looked massive from early earth btw

[left arch]

Ark 2 is primitive based because humanity can't just rocket through the technological tiers of advancement in a few months and you need time to get your bearings
A planet or moon in the sky does not mean we are orbiting it and does not signify something more or the ability of space travel

[lavish sparrow]

look at the pins in the sky

[lavish sparrow]

there is remains of technology though

[left arch]

Ours
Humans
The lifeboat

[blissful perch]

Ok but it could also be primitive because WC wanted that?

[lavish sparrow]

There are remains of huge tech structures

[blissful perch]

Don’t be baited into thinking a dev team is trapped by lore

[tropic crag]

I don't think I understand the point you are trying to get at, why does the planet matter so much? And yes, there is crashed bits of the ship/ring we came there on, so what? Please enlighten me

[left arch]

There very well could be alien advanced technology and it would be cool to see down the line if the decide the ark story goes there
But we haven't seen any

[blissful perch]

Classic argument that lore means it doesn’t have to be primitive

[lavish sparrow]

knowledge. they know about gunpowder possibly, meaning they know about the creation of guns

[blissful perch]

Here’s the cool thing. Gameplay > lore

[lavish sparrow]

of they went from tek to nothing do you not think they would try and go back to tek?

[lavish sparrow]

I'm trying to judge what the gameplay will be like based on the lore

[tropic crag]

No, because Santiago knows what tek can do, and doesn't want that again

[blissful perch]

And I’m saying don’t bother lol they said primitive focus and that’s that

[lavish sparrow]

then whats the point of ark 2

[tropic crag]

That's not a good idea, imo

[left arch]

Who says they have the ability to go back to Tek
Santiago doesn't want to because he has a terrible relationship with it
And not all the survivors would actually have an understanding of it

[frank tinsel]

I feel Ark 2 would be Conan Exiles: Dinosaurs

[lavish sparrow]

just a regular survivor living and achieving nothing?

[winged dome]

We also don't have a very good idea of how much time has past from the end of Gen2 to Ark2. At least 10 or so years is my guess since Santiago has a daughter and the Arks had no children as far as we know. We also don't know how quickly Arat's flora and fauna can reclaim unmaintained buildings/ruins

[blissful perch]

Survival IS an objective

It’s not like ark 1 was any different at the end of the day. Your goal was to survive and the bosses were not interested in you succeeding

[tropic crag]

Humanity surviving it's own extinction is the goal lol

[left arch]

The goal of a survival game is survival
Any extra story bits like a final boss and so on would come down the line

[mighty lion]

It stands to reason if future dlc explore other heroic figures than Santiago, more technology will be allowed

[blissful perch]

My guess is that tek of any type will be exclusive to missions as a very special thing you use

[lavish sparrow]

yes but for the player wheres the enjoyment in just eating drinking and surviving

eat drink sleep repeat

[blissful perch]

Sort of like the exo Mek with the big laser for rockwell prime

[lavish sparrow]

but how would they access that?

[winged dome]

Exploring a new world. Taming creatures. Fighting with other humans for superiority

[tropic crag]

Good question, that will be answered when it comes out

[blissful perch]

We’ll be told when it happens? That’s the magic of inventing lore

You…make it up to suit what you need

[lavish sparrow]

Look if theres competition between tribes theres the will to get an advantage over them which will drive people back to tek

as much as they want to avoid it not everyone would want to avoid it

someone would try achieve tek again

[tropic crag]

That's probably going to be a plot point, yes

[lavish sparrow]

which means the others would be left behind

[wispy sierra]

progression. get bertter dinos, better base. it's what ark 1 singleplayer's all about. it wasn't that much based on a larger goal until ext and genesis

[left arch]

In ark 1 it was caves and artefacts and then the bosses and ascension
Or at least that's how I always found my goal
But we aren't sure what ark 2 is going to have as a goal
And looking at the snippets we know if gameplay won't allow us insight into that

[lavish sparrow]

so they need to catch up

[lavish sparrow]

ark 1's singleplayer is so basic though lol

[tropic crag]

Someone wanting to go against Santiago's wishes

[lavish sparrow]

its just survival game with dinosaurs

rust with dinosaurs except it performs better and has better mechanics

rust is fucking terrible in terms of mechanics

[lavish sparrow]

YES which will drive people back to tek

[blissful perch]

…rust is superior ark in every way but the tames

[lavish sparrow]

what I'm saying is the lore will make it impossible to avoid tek

[stray elm]

The plot of ARK-2 seems to stem around rediscovering who you are after getting amnesia. Santiago's relationship with his daughter. And the natives of the planet trying to kill us for crashing on their planet.
That's the plot of ARK-2 from what it seems like.
Seems like a solid enough plot to stay in a primitive era. 🤷‍♂️

[lavish sparrow]

uh no the game runs like shit the movement is shit

[blissful perch]

Dude the lore can just say “oops the element no longer wants to be made into tek” and that’s the end of tek

[lavish sparrow]

arks movement is insanely basic but at least its better than rust

[mighty lion]

I have a feeling some of us will be disappointed and others over joyed when we finally get a good look at ark 2, but for all different reasons

[blissful perch]

“You need homo deus to operate tek and there aren’t any around here”

Whoops tek is now dead

[lavish sparrow]

yea I think I'll prob be disappointed by the third person souls like combat

[blissful perch]

Faaacts.

[stray elm]

That's basically every game

[lavish sparrow]

third person souls like combat in ark? that sounds fucking terrible

everything I enjoyed about ark 1 pvp thrown out the window

[left arch]

I think it sounds awesome

[tropic crag]

Maybe to you, Ark 1 combat was ass

[lavish sparrow]

but there was something to enjoy about it

[stray elm]

Not really

[tropic crag]

"Oh boy, time to left click some more"

[lavish sparrow]

you seen souls pvp?

[stray elm]

I despise the combat in ARK-1 honestly.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it's engaging and fun lol

[lavish sparrow]

its so repetitive you just spam roll and use cheesy weapons on elden ring

[blissful perch]

No regging in singleplayer still has me shaking

[stray elm]

I've watch Conan PvP that's also souls-like, and that shit looks badass and fun

[wispy sierra]

you could put a weight down on LMB, go and eat lunch, and come back and it would be the same result as you sitting there

[left arch]

Conan combat is awesome
It would work really well in ark

[stray elm]

If you spam shit in Elden-Ring. Then you've obviously never played it before, or you must be shit at it.

[bright terrace]

only 3rd person view = Fail
souls combat = Fail

[blissful perch]

What failed with Conan? It seems to be mechanically superior to ark across the board

[lavish sparrow]

souls combat works for fromsoft games

[tropic crag]

Way to be open minded...

[wispy sierra]

because it's so much less repetitive to sit there and bite a dino for 20 minutes

[lavish sparrow]

each dino has 1 purpose in pvp

[bright terrace]

[tropic crag]

The devs breaking their promises, pretty much

[wispy sierra]

yeah and ark 2 will also feature that.

it's the player combat that will be soulslike not the dino combat

[tropic crag]

You like that?

[stray elm]

You do know 'souls combat' is just a zing word for "combat with lock-on, rolling, and heavy and light attacks?"
Other games have done it.
Again, i've said it before. Conan's combat system is souls-like.

[lavish sparrow]

each dino has a role that you often need to achieve much

[tropic crag]

Not true, the dino combat is also revamped

[blissful perch]

We actually don’t know how the tame combat will work. Perhaps we’ll have more movement and combat moves beyond primary and secondary attacks that are bite or “special move”

[left arch]

Ark 1 combat is extremely basic and repetitive
With each input you bring in for a new action in combat you exponentially make it more interesting
Dodging, light attack, heavy attack, blocking, parrying
Its a lot better on paper than ark 1

[wispy sierra]

yeah but not soulslike. how would soulsiike dino combat even work

like, a rex dodge rolling

[stray elm]

Wait a fucking minute.
Are you thinking the combat will be souls-like against human x giant dino?

[bright terrace]

yes

[tropic crag]

I'd prefer if dinos had more than one use tbh, one use dinos are dumb

[blissful perch]

Side step hop dodge, akin to the bowgun little dodge hop

[stray elm]

I'm 99% sure the souls combat is specifically for human x human combat.

[lavish sparrow]

well I meant they have at least one use

[wispy sierra]

yeah it would trivialize the entire progression if you could just dodge roll all the giant creatures

[winged dome]

I know it was mentioned somewhere that bites and damage will affect creatures. Maybe they get debuffs if you damage their legs or whatever and such

[tropic crag]

We'll have to wait and see

[left arch]

Why wouldn't that still happen in ark 2

[blissful perch]

Yea idk if that’s visual or real hit zones but that’s an interesting idea

[wispy sierra]

exactly, what does that have to do with ark 2

[mighty lion]

How does souls like combat work against bosses?

[lavish sparrow]

dark souls

[tropic crag]

The dino combat is also being changed, it said so on the store page iirc

[lavish sparrow]

ark 2 strives for realism something which dark souls is terrible at

yes I will slash something in the foot 100 times and then it will die

[wispy sierra]

it's based on timing and carefulness in souls games, instead of ark's boss fights which are big damage checks

[stray elm]

I don't think it did.
Either way, i doubt it'd be souls-like combat for a rex.
I can't imagine a rex rolling. xD

[tropic crag]

If I can't get good enough to one on one a rex, I'll be upset

[left arch]

Controversial opinion but I think dodge rolling a Rex would be awesome
So long as a dodge doesnt give you I frames and just moved your hitbox quickly

[stray elm]

Blood loss exists.

[mighty lion]

Then I'd assume you can dodge certain dino moves. Probably not a giga though

[blissful perch]

I support and have always agreed with this opinion

[wispy sierra]

that or very few iframes

[lavish sparrow]

I dont like the ability of immunity frames in ark though

[bright terrace]

people are going to be dodge rolling in to the mesh watch out 😂😎

[lavish sparrow]

look at ark 1's hit reg

with a pump or comp for example

[stray elm]

If i stab someone's foot 100 times with a toothpick, especially on major arteries. Then you're going to start bleeding out.

[mighty lion]

Give me immunity frames, I'll give you an invincibility glitch

[lavish sparrow]

see

[bright terrace]

you mean god mode.

[left arch]

I want no I frames whatsoever
I frames are too easy to exploit, I prefer something that requires actually thought and foresight to pull of instead of dodge rolling at the last second of any attack

[tropic crag]

Doesn't need to be a 100% certifiably roll style dodge, it can be a sidestep

[mighty lion]

Tomato tomato

[lavish sparrow]

same

wait the legend zelda botw?

combat like that?

[stray elm]

"Slide to the left. Slide to the right.
Cha-Cha, real smooth"

[stray elm]

That's souls-like, so yes.

[lavish sparrow]

no

please can you just

not classify anything with a sword and dodging mechanic as souls like

[blissful perch]

I frames are not the source of most invincibility exploits…usually it’s cutscenes

[stray elm]

Lock-on, dodging.
Sounds like a simplified version of a souls-like combat.

[left arch]

Just look at Conan exiles combat
That's the same style of combat and it would work great in the ark setting

[stray elm]

That's souls-like though.

[mighty lion]

So assassins creed combat

[tropic crag]

Skill based combat is called souls-like, are you new to this?

[stray elm]

Yep

[lavish sparrow]

shooting, running, not realistic must be a fortnite-like game

[mighty lion]

Let me quick draw a bow in close range

[stray elm]

Yep

[lavish sparrow]

but we don't classify apex legends as a fortnite-like game

valorant ticks all those boxes but isnt anything like fortnite in terms of combat

[tropic crag]

Sure we do

[stray elm]

Oh no, i do.

[tropic crag]

Battle royale lmao

[mighty lion]

We do though

[lavish sparrow]

why though?

[stray elm]

It's a battle-royale

[lavish sparrow]

just call it a battle royale game?

[mighty lion]

All are pubg rips to me tbh

[lavish sparrow]

fortnite is mechanically shit

[tropic crag]

No, because Valorant is like CS:GO

[lavish sparrow]

it is literally reskinned CS:GO

with abilities

[tropic crag]

Nothing is original, everything is ___-like, get over it, come watch tv

[stray elm]

And the souls-like system has been butchered to an extreme amount that anything with 'lock on and dodging' is souls-like.

[lavish sparrow]

nothing is original then dark souls isnt original?

capcom? devil may cry?

[stray elm]

Nope.
It's based off of one of their older games

[lavish sparrow]

dmc-like game?

[tropic crag]

Nope, not the first game with skill-based combat

[lavish sparrow]

guess metal gear rising is a dmc-like game because it has ranking

[stray elm]

Yep

[tropic crag]

DMC isn't even the first one with skill-based lol

[lavish sparrow]

exactly

[tropic crag]

So nothing is original and calling it ___-like is just an easy comparison

Not like Ark 2 is literally Dark Souls: Dinosaur Editon

[lavish sparrow]

if it was like that I would definitely not buy it

[tropic crag]

Just a good descriptive word to get the point across

[lavish sparrow]

Personally souls combat really isnt for me, its way too janky

fromsoft mechanics are basic

they are effective but basic

[tropic crag]

Then Ark 2 might not be for you, or it might because they do it well, who knows? 🤷‍♂️

[lavish sparrow]

I mean I hope wildcard has learned from ark and can actually develop an item that doesn't have spaghetti code

also ark 2 better not be named shootergame.exe

[tropic crag]

I am sure they have, the dev team is much larger/experienced than they were when it was 7 people working on a indie dinosaur game

[lavish sparrow]

wait how many they got now

[tropic crag]

Idk, a lot

At least more than 7

[stray elm]

I believe like 20-30

[tropic crag]

Way more than that, a simple google search says there's at least 60

And that's just at the Bellevue office

As of 2016

[stray elm]

Ah

[tropic crag]

And they're hiring for a lot of positions too, so they're getting bigger as well

[mighty lion]

I hope we have more unique resources tied to animal, similar to whool or fur

[past pivot]

Ark/Monster Hunter

Or Ark/Dayz

[left arch]

ark/monster hunter

[stray elm]

You know, the more i think about it. The more i unironically want the new loot-system to be raiding Aratai camps.

[thin torrent]

remove tek.

[stray elm]

[lavish rain]

Tell me you didn't read the post without telling me you didn't read the post

[lavish rain]

So, reverse OSDs?

[stray elm]

Basically

[lavish rain]

Not a bad idea actually

[mortal kestrel]

ark is just a rust clone

obviously I dont really believe that

[lavish rain]

Oh boy your intentionally trying to spark a war

[mortal kestrel]

just saying that just because something is the same genre doesnt mean its a rip

Ark Souls II

[stray elm]

You're telling me ARK isn't a rip-off of Minecraft?

[mortal kestrel]

damn maybe it is, they have similar mechanics like eating food and laying in bed

[lavish rain]

Oh fuck

[ripe cedar]

Bro i cant believe real life ripped off minecraft

[mighty lion]

Real life ripped off sims obvi

I want to know how many people went to ark to get their turok fix

[sick hound]

literally

[fallow niche]

@autumn frigate #ark-survival-ascended

This is for ark2

[autumn frigate]

oh sorry

[abstract birch]

I really will laugh so hard if they add something similar to Tek at some point and it only has another name.

I will feed on all the salty little tears.

[untold ingot]

They'll call it teq

[lavish rain]

From?

[lavish rain]

I'd laugh harder

[abstract birch]

The ones the crying cause of it XD

[lavish rain]

So all the people who said remove tek

[abstract birch]

Yes, cause ohh evil SiFi stuff

[tropic crag]

🙋‍♂️

[abstract birch]

But I allready can see the ones crying cause there will for sure be Alien/Fantasy creatures.

[hallow wasp]

^

[stray elm]

Which is still ironic.

[tropic crag]

I mean, they put in the Tek bow for gods sakes 😂

[stray elm]

I love tek, but i can admit it's place isn't what makes ARK.
But giant alien/sci-fi like ancient structures have 'always' been in the game.

[abstract birch]

It is. It is even Ironic to complain about the SiFi/Tek stuff in it cause Ark allways had it.

[wanton pike]

I do believe they will get there eventually. Just hope they will make some maps so that it won’t allow tek to be transferred.

[lavish rain]

I'd be ok with that

...as long as it's only pvp

[hallow wasp]

If Ark 2 is prim pvp I will marry it

[abstract birch]

Which would be the best solution IMO, don't make stuff transferable to older maps only up to newer maps.

[wanton pike]

For pvp ofcourse and unofficial may allow it

[stray elm]

Have you not read the steam page?

[abstract birch]

Unofficial could get an option to allow it on servers or not.

[hallow wasp]

No. I have never seen anything about ark 2 except the trailer with ogers

[stray elm]

I wouldn't say "don't allow 'everything' from newer maps to not be transfered"
I'd just say "only things that'd break the flow/theme of the map"

[wanton pike]

It only be fair right

[lavish rain]

Pve I better be able to take my teksuit to the first map

[tropic crag]

If they make it an option you can change for PvE (I don't want my players playing the map as unintended) then I can agree to that

[stray elm]

There's a second trailer that confirms it's been delayed till 2023. And it has a steam-page now.

[wanton pike]

Yeah exactly

[untold ingot]

Things need to be transferable lol

[lavish rain]

Right, just not stuff that dosent belong

[abstract birch]

Native cratures to the lower maps all fine but not the newer creaturs that come with that new map or items like for example if it ever happens a Fabricated sniper, Laser gun or whatever (examples only)

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I don't see that being a good thing, especially for pvp

[stray elm]

I'd say the limitation should be 'only if it breaks the balance of the map'
If they add a new shoulder pet that doesn't do anything. No need to 'not' allow it to be transferred.

[abstract birch]

Like if there is a rex you can transfer it up and down but of there is laser cat that is teleporting around it should not be transferable to a map that for example has 90% dinos only and the cat would break the balance there

[untold ingot]

That is all great for a pve standpoint, but would make the early maps waaaaay to strong for pvp

[stray elm]

So, correct me if i'm wrong. But as long as you can transfer to server to server normally on the same map, like you currently can do. What's the issue?
Servers are always going to be eventually taken over by a major tribe. That's kind of why you server-hop. 😅

[untold ingot]

Like if you want ab maps that only ab vatients can transfer to I am all down for that, but don't limit transfers to forward only. Limit them to map only

[abstract birch]

It is more about some items and special creatures only.

Like if a later map has space suits and Laser guns you yould not be able to transfer that, but your stone pick can still be transfered downwards.

[stray elm]

That's what i more thought.

[untold ingot]

That is totally different from a forward only for new things

[stray elm]

You can't transfer a Shadowmane to the base-game map lets say, cause it doesn't have them.
But DLC 1, 3, and 4 have Shadowmanes naturally. So you can bring your shadowmane from any of those maps.

[untold ingot]

I just think the forward only idea is a terrible idea, especially for pvp, and it'll make people annoyed with pve too. You'll have to pack up and take everything to a new map every new dlc, or you won't be able to use new stuff

[abstract birch]

We were talking of certain items and creatures only.. so a old map stays primitive for example and does not get tainted by more modern stuff.

[mighty lion]

It would create legacy fortress servers.

[untold ingot]

So in order to preserve memories of an old map you make life inconvenient for everyone?

It's a bad idea unless it's for like a private cluster or sp or something

[abstract birch]

Other option would be to have certain items disabled in clusters.

[mighty lion]

Though I'm not opposed to limiting titans or similar creatures to the map they are from ( if they even have those)

[stray elm]

I think the Aberration approach is the best, personally. Cause that's kind of what i've been saying.

[untold ingot]

It'll literally kill of the old servers for pve, and make old servers too strong for pvp

[abstract birch]

That was best yeah, only beeing able to transfere creatures there that are native on the map.

[mighty lion]

Pulling a titan on some built up Bob's on an island server never really felt fair

[untold ingot]

Well, yeah sure

[stray elm]

And if all maps apply this, then it'd give nearly every map its own meta

[untold ingot]

But then again the island already had the titanosuar lol

[abstract birch]

Correct and with items, depends a bit I guess.. If they are well balanced then even newer items are not even an issue.

[untold ingot]

I would be down for this type of thing, to a degree

[abstract birch]

Cause to be fair, you will have to keep people engaged with new stuff or the game will get boring and no need to get new DLCs at some point.

[untold ingot]

It would all depend on how mutations are handled, but that would equalize for the most part for transferable creatures

[abstract birch]

Random mutations (besides color) should not be a thing if you ask me.

[untold ingot]

Skill tree mutations would be okay, but not Stat mutations

[mighty lion]

That sounds good in practice, but really makes those server fortresses. The biggest dupe server on xbox ( an abb) was only wiped because the meta changed

[untold ingot]

A capped Dino line should be one bred to have a maxed out skill tree, not a huge amount of any stat

[abstract birch]

That at least would limit it way more.

[untold ingot]

Yeah this is the biggest issue lol. By severely limiting transfers it really gives a huuuge buff to dupers and early megas

[mighty lion]

Then play a custom official server where that's specified

[abstract birch]

Random stat mutas are one of the biggest flaws Ark has.

[untold ingot]

I think if pocket cryos are never a thing, quetz platforms stop being a thing, then it fixes most of the issues I have with ark

[mighty lion]

Thats your opinion. In others It's one of the biggest things that sets it apart from other games and a draw to many people.

[abstract birch]

That sounds way better and you even could limit that with a dino can have a max of X skilltree mutations. Then you still have them but they are not that OP like they are now.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it would take work, but a good line would be no different from a tamed Dino that someone spent 50 hours leveling

[abstract birch]

Breeding in general. You still can breed but no need to do it in that extreme extend.

[mighty lion]

Ngl, the mutations is what got me playing in the first place.

[untold ingot]

Well, no matter what way you look at it, mass breeding will be a thing in pvp

[abstract birch]

And a lot of people only breed for mutas cause you need it, especially in PvP.

[untold ingot]

Whether there are mutations or not lol

[mighty lion]

I've seen people dedicate themselves to getting op anglers and dire bears in PVP, though their only use is farming

Hopefully we'll see on november 5th, so we can stop arguing about mutations lol

[abstract birch]

If they want a more balanced game, random stat mutas should be not a thing.

And the game will need another Endgame than breeding IMO.

[untold ingot]

Tbh, for the pvp side the endgame isn't breeding lol, that's the midgame. The endgame is declaring server wars and stuff lol

[mighty lion]

Ark isnt a single instances PVP match where everyone maintains the same balance. Time is progression and mutations are a major way that time can be used to get advantage.

[mighty lion]

True

[untold ingot]

There has to be some feel of an arms race, breeding does that pretty well. If ark2 goes another route that is more than breeding or farming materials than that would be cool too

[abstract birch]

Not the same balance but all cry about tek beeing so OP.. super bred dino lines are way way worse.

[mighty lion]

I'm mean cryers typically didnt adapt the changing meta.

[abstract birch]

And you need some race to be better but also it should not be something that consumes your whole life.

[untold ingot]

Uh, a guy with a tek bow can shred a capped wyvern in very few shots lol. Yeah tek is waaay op lol

[mighty lion]

Exploits and meshing are the only thing I'd see reason to cry about.

I think the tek power balance thing is why they made it so easy to get in the genesis dlcs

[abstract birch]

As is Flak if you take the cost-gain advantage.

[untold ingot]

That is the idea of tribes lol. Ideally you are in a tribe that works together so you don't always have to be online

[abstract birch]

But a lot of things are simply badly balanced in Ark

[abstract birch]

WHich is the idea but practically it does not work that way.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I have been in tribes where it does work that way

[mighty lion]

Well it's obvious that the devs skipped the counter balance day in game design class. But they use OP dinos to promote dlcs anyways before the inevitable nerfs

[abstract birch]

I have seen tribes that demand you to be online 24/7

[untold ingot]

The issue is usually people who are leaders of tribes don't actually know how to lead, and have unrealistic and unreasonable expectations

[untold ingot]

I quit dl because of that lol

[mighty lion]

Those tribes burn people out

[untold ingot]

There is a reason some tribes are huuuge and some are small fries

The difference isn't finding more no lifers, it's having good leaders

[mighty lion]

True

[untold ingot]

Arks issue with tribes is that the leaders aren't really elected for skill, but rather through just making a tribe and getting bobs to join

[abstract birch]

XD

But true

[untold ingot]

The tribes I have been in that had elected leaders for their leadership abilities worked 10x better together and we got further than the ones that were just a Bob trying to take over a server

[mighty lion]

I've seen people suggest alot of changes to the tribe system that could be solved by finding a better leader

[untold ingot]

I'm not saying that it has to be done that way, but you can find tribes where they actually have a good setup and leadership

[untold ingot]

Most issues really lol

It is a little hard to find actually good leaders though

[mighty lion]

We've absorbed a few tribes who had bad original leadership and it's mostly rampant selfishness.

[untold ingot]

Yup, usually that's what it boils down to

[mighty lion]

Like the idea of doing stuff as and for the tribe as a whole is foreign

I do hope we get a more in depth tribe management system

[untold ingot]

Thinking they have some hold or authority over peoples irl life is a big issue too lol

[untold ingot]

A way to depose a leader with a 100% vote, would be nice lol

[mighty lion]

Lol might needs some restraints on that due to insides

[untold ingot]

That's why 100% would need to be a thing

[mighty lion]

Including the leader?

[untold ingot]

Excluding the one they are demoting

It probably would fail as a system, but could be an idea to try

[mighty lion]

Hmm if an insider is an admin he could kick everyone else and then vote, or if it requires more than 1 vote he could kick everyone and recruit a few friends.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, kicking people should take more than one person approving it lol

It should be harder to kick people

Honestly, ark doesn't have an amazing tribe management system. I would be happy to see anything improved on that front

[sour kestrel]

Me 2

[mighty lion]

One of the worst insides I've seen was a dude was promote to admin to grab something, waited till everyone was off. Kicked everyone, handcuffed the leader. Leader tried to transfer a dupe in thinking it would get him out of the handcuffs ( he was a bob in charge of a 90 person tribe) and it of course kicked him and gave full ownership to the insider.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, things like that shouldnt be possible

[mighty lion]

So I hope they make it so you can manage the tribe while handcuffed or include tribe management in a companion app.

[untold ingot]

Kicking people should take like 2-3 admins to approve, and you should be able to access everything to manage the tribe from a ui seperate from the inventory

I would like to see tribes carry over to new servers, and just hide the home server info, but I feel like people wouldn't like that

[mighty lion]

Idk, emergencies happen when you're the only admin on.

[mighty lion]

Would allow instant floods

[untold ingot]

True. There isn't really an easy solution

[untold ingot]

As in?

[mighty lion]

Currently you need to recruit in a server which takes time. If tribe transferred, you could just go solo, place a bunch of beds and cap a server instantly when its low pop. Without any hints you had it planned.

[untold ingot]

That happens anyway, I don't see how it would make much difference

[chilly osprey]

Maybe make another rank, for trusted members, that requires more admins to kick.

[mighty lion]

I think floods would be more common

[untold ingot]

That's a good idea actually, I hadn't thought of that

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I don't know that they would be. Especially if there are no cryos and fliers are nerfed. It would take a lot more time to mobilize a large offensive

[mighty lion]

Could probably just apply that to admins

[mighty lion]

Good chance we will have cryos in some form imo. And who said fliers are nerfed?

[untold ingot]

We need wildcard to talk to one of the big tribes leaders to figure out what ui would be best for managing tribes lol. Because honestly I am not a tribe leader. I just want to see it better

[mighty lion]

I'd rather them do a poll

[untold ingot]

No one yet, but I am hoping. Without pocket cryos it would take longer from spawn in to invasion, so it would be a good thing imo

I would love to see a poll a day for ark2 stuff

Or a poll a week lol

[mighty lion]

Yah but cryos are probably the biggest qol update to ark 1 and before them crouches were stupid OP and people left their tames out, causing larger loads on servers.

[untold ingot]

True, which is why a stable structure or something would be a good fit, that gives the value of cryos without it being broken

The crouch issue is a seperate problem that I think requires a seperate solution

[mighty lion]

Certain base locations simply arent viable without cryos too. You can justify that cryos dont require tek at all.

[untold ingot]

Well, imo if you can't get to it without cryos, it's not a spot that should be built in lol

[mighty lion]

If you truly wanted to limit cryos, you could make them single or dual use

[untold ingot]

I still don't like the ease that you can transport Dinos with them though. It's one of the main things stopping people from building up in ark1

[mighty lion]

It allows new players to build in tucked away locations and build up. Reduces the load on servers, and from the sounds of things traversal is going to be crazy in ark 2 and tedious to walk tames

[untold ingot]

If it takes longer for people to scout a large map, then it won't be as necessary to find a place to hide lol, you can just go somewhere far

And having a permanent structure that you can load Dinos into and out of would do the same for lag reduction as cryos do

[mighty lion]

Yah, but could you destroy the structure and consequently the tames?

Sounds the same as transmitter

[untold ingot]

Hmm, yeah I haven't thought about that 😅

That would be probably the biggest concern

[echo vine]

Raq

Ur a bob

[untold ingot]

There can be a case made for that lol

[rotund burrow]

I pray every night that the snapping system will be decent in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Well they are redoing the entire building system

[rotund burrow]

I hope we can see what it will look like soon

[untold ingot]

I have high hopes for it

[mighty lion]

The layout saving system is interesting, I cant wait to see how it's done.

[echo vine]

I just want a clean game, no meshing and I'm happy

[lavish sparrow]

Ark 2 = fortnite

🤓

[lavish rain]

Don't be scared be worried

[lavish sparrow]

I loooove fortnite

Because it's easy to make fun of

[mint swan]

That's actually an interesting way to view fortnite 🤔

[lavish sparrow]

It's such a bad game

RTX looks worse than the game without it

Graphics bad, mechanics bad

[tropic crag]

CLANG nooooooo moooooore Fortnite (back to Ark 2)

[undone mason]

first half of 2023 to dec 29

[blissful perch]

…so anywhere in 2023? I’m skeptical it’ll come out before June or so

[undone mason]

ig so

[winged dome]

Teeeechnically during the Xbox Showcase, 'all featured games are set to release by June 2023'

Whether or not that holds true ...

[split dove]

''in the next 12 months'' nvm i didn't read June

[winged dome]

And the showcase was in June, right?

[split dove]

yes, June 12th

[blissful perch]

You and I are both holding X to doubt. I can feel it

[winged dome]

Hey, I'm pretty confident Ark2 will be worth the wait

[blissful perch]

Same here, but I expect a hellofa wait

[split dove]

gives more time to upgrade tbf

[blissful perch]

Maybe I’ll get a 3080 👀

[winged dome]

Yeah, might need to upgrade my rig soon

[split dove]

maybe i'll replace my 1050

[ripe cedar]

4000 series coming quite soon

[blissful perch]

ooh ill wait for that to get a 3080 then

[ripe cedar]

Yeah im in the market for one too my 1080 has done good work though

[exotic parrot]

Is ark 2 gonna have pvp and raiding

If not i aint playing it

The pve in ark 1 is so bad

[mighty lion]

"the PvP survival genre" .. pvp is legit the genre of ARK 2

@blissful perch " attempt to build their own creature-aided civilization" what are your thoughts? I think this implies more than just base building with dinos

[blissful perch]

that's a really good question. On the one hand I'm thinking RP "civilization" and on the other hand I wonder if that means more autonomous gathering/industrial tames and buildings. I think Aratai could fit into that model, but they just as easily could only be a PvE threat

[exotic parrot]

Ark 1 completely failed to balance anything pvp related and barely fixed any bugs, it felt like the game wanted to be pve rather than pvp

It felt like it wanted to be about exploration and wonder, and those aspects ended up being the crummiest and least appealing

Everything about ark 2 I've heard thus far gives me the impression that they want to completely focus on pve

After 900 hours ark gives me the overall impression of a game the developers were forced to care about

I might be wrong but thats just how i feel

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't say complete focus on pve, but the large majority of ark players do play pve

[exotic parrot]

I just really really really hope that they make the game less broken

Ive lost so many tames to anti meshing and crashing and shit

[untold ingot]

A lot of that is due to the engine

[blissful perch]

The game was clearly never made to be a competitive PvP experience

[exotic parrot]

Exactly what i was trying to say

[untold ingot]

Uh, usually the only place where you die to anti mesh is the tek cave, unless you are actively trying to mesh lol

[exotic parrot]

I hope for ark 2 they gaf about the pvp side and balance stuff

[blissful perch]

You can have fun PvP without intending the game to be a competitive PvP experience tho

[exotic parrot]

Lava golem cave with desmodus happens a lot

[mighty lion]

Balancing as far as tames go was never part of the equation. They have fixed a massive amount of bugs, but far too many reoccurring issues with transfers and such. Hopefully the new engine will help alleviate that

[untold ingot]

Ah, could be lol

[blissful perch]

But yes, it became clear to me that ark 1 was a draft game, a place to test features and mechanics before another game came out that better captured what worked and what didn’t

[untold ingot]

Hmm, not sure I would call it a draft, they did spend 7 years on it lol

[split dove]

more like a blueprint

[exotic parrot]

Its worrying that they are spending their budget on vin fucking diesel

[blissful perch]

A draft for a big scientific paper can take a very long time: a draft doesn’t mean it wasn’t hard work and a lot of effort

[mighty lion]

Yah im hoping for more interconnectivity and uses for tames. Maybe base locations matter for more than defense and autonomous NPCs can do things for you if you provide a living space. I wouldnt be opposed to having cattle creatures that passively provide resources

[untold ingot]

Well, that is true lol, I get your point jaja

[blissful perch]

I think an expansion of dung beetle style tamed would be amazing. But I do think having tames like velos and expanding on that to maybe have something amazing we haven’t talked about…such as dino patrol routes would be great

I think a lot of people forget tames are NPCs to a degree

[untold ingot]

There might be human npcs as well

[mighty lion]

True

[untold ingot]

As long as they aren't the ones offering random missions, because I kind of hate that about other games lol

[mighty lion]

I'm hoping for a little bit of dinotopia in ark 2, ( functional civilization where dinos all have key uses)

[blissful perch]

I’d love that

[untold ingot]

I feel like a lot of people wanted that, especially the pve community lol

[blissful perch]

It would be cool if there were more biologic resources. For example harvesting silk from moths and spiders, feathers from dodos, or perhaps shearing your mammoths

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I don't know how well shearing a mammoth would work lol

[exotic parrot]

I think if ark 1 simply balanced the op/broken stuff for pvp, removed transfer timers, fixed all the bugs/upgraded to another engine, fixed meshing, actually stopped Xrayers, and really cut down on all the waiting for timers and cooldowns, actually balanced and limited mutations, and made efforts to make the official servers more playable for small groups the game would be like the best thing ever

[blissful perch]

That’s a tall order

[exotic parrot]

Yeah i know

[blissful perch]

Namely the “simply balance X”

[exotic parrot]

I dont think it will happen im just saying thats what would make the game great imo

[untold ingot]

Uh, transfer timers need to be a thing for pvp lol. If anything they could be longer jaja

[blissful perch]

And making small groups work in a sandbox game. I don’t know if any game has cracked the code for making that work

[mighty lion]

Remove timers and you have duping again

Which is a nightmare if you've lived through that

[exotic parrot]

I dont know anything about the duping issue

But having less of a timer when your not in pvp would be reaaaaaaaaaaaaally nice

Ive spent like 5 irl hours just sitting there waiting total probably

[untold ingot]

That too, it also stops people from just transferring out with all their gear the second you start to raid

[mighty lion]

Dupe wars. Imagine everyone having unlimited max tek suits and meks, just soaking everything in them and bum rushing towers non stop. Because that was ark reality at 1 point.

[exotic parrot]

When my clan starts getting raided we just throw everything important on a weight tropical wyvern and go hide it

[untold ingot]

I mean, ark pvp is not a fast paced game lol. If that's what you are looking for, it's the wrong genre

[blissful perch]

It could be faster paced, and perhaps would be more fun if it was

[exotic parrot]

It just feels too slow

[blissful perch]

But it’s true that in ark 1 it’s about persistence more than anything else

[untold ingot]

Well, that's because it is slow lol

[mighty lion]

The servers save every 15 minutes, so people would just transfer out and roll servers before the save. ( though this isnt the dupe war trick)

[untold ingot]

With gen2 though it is a lot faster

[blissful perch]

I think there’s a sweet spot between hard enough to feel like progression is worth something…and so long that you feel paralyzed by how annoying it is to do anything

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I think anyone who actually has played pvp recently would say that it is extremely easy to progress now lol

[exotic parrot]

This guy only spits facts wtf

The shifter guy

[blissful perch]

Welcome to my role in the ark 2 chat 🧠

[untold ingot]

Shifter is the brains of the operation 😂

[exotic parrot]

How many hours yall got

[mighty lion]

It's in the years

[untold ingot]

I think i am closing in on 3k hours, but 4 years lol

[blissful perch]

For PvP i really think sea of thieves has the best model for sandbox PvP. I’m not sure how to make that work in the context of ark, since I think ark’s progression really matters to the PvP and perhaps should matter.

[untold ingot]

Sea of thieves works really well for a fun experience that is self contained. Ark is just too much to do in the same way though. Either everything would have tk be given to you, including tames, or you wouldn't be able to experience any of the gams

[mighty lion]

Regionally unique resources + dino assisted civilization... hmmm

[blissful perch]

I think shorter but more challenging taming processes and resources being abundant but not excessively so could work

The goal is to reduce time rather than skill

[untold ingot]

That sounds like sotf, and that game kind of flopped

[blissful perch]

It would be very interesting to have player progression save on logout and have the PvP revolve around two types of players. 1.) players who are in round the clock tribes that have permanence in the world via their bases and 2.) players who progress during a session and log out expecting to lose their permanence on the world

[untold ingot]

Hmm, well to be fair that already exists 😂

[blissful perch]

This way the “round the clock” players would in essence be a part of the world that session players could try to fight after an extended gearing up period

[untold ingot]

I don't think that would really appeal to what people are used to from ark1

[blissful perch]

The goal is to appeal to more players while not removing all ark 1 PvP players

[winged dome]

How to reduce time?
Make mutations much less effective, and reduce crafting costs. That way farming (for expansion or replacement) is still kinda necessary, while bigger tribes that have dozens of players online around the clock don't have a massive advantage that basically blocks out newer competitors

[blissful perch]

Remove stat mutations. Search my name and the subject and you’ll see my reasoning

[untold ingot]

I am in favor of saving one kit and a few Dinos per person, but for it to be ark it has to be a persistent world

[winged dome]

Not against removing them entirely, but some benefit to *long-term breeding would be nice. But nowhere near as powerful as it is now

[untold ingot]

We have already talked a lot about mutations. Having mutations pick a random skill from a skill tree imo is the best option. But reducing crafting costs will only give larger tribes more of an advantage lol

[winged dome]

But it would help to reduce time investments for smaller tribes and solos too

[untold ingot]

There really is not way to remove the advantage from large tribes. Nor should there be lol. There should be things implemented to help small tribes grow, not things to try and make large tribes ineffective

[untold ingot]

At the cost of making it easier for large tribes too. It's not really a solution

[winged dome]

Eh, maybe I should keep my mouth shut then, haha.

Full disclosure, I despise PvP in Ark. I get why some people like it, but it's not and never will be for me

[untold ingot]

I mean, we are always looking for new ideas, so if you have some say them

[winged dome]

I stick to RP servers xD

[untold ingot]

They are just going to be debated lol. There is a pretty diverse group of players in this chat who all have different visions of how they want the game to be

[blissful perch]

I think the truth of the matter is that the game is a sandbox where people are free to change things how they want it to be. However I try to encourage people here to discuss what they expect official to look like, even if they don’t expect to play it (where applicable)

Since official is what WC is going to have available on release and where many players are going to experience the game

[untold ingot]

Yeah, only a few things from the plethora of things we discussed are even relevant in a single player world lol

[blissful perch]

I mean mutations is a horrible mechanic for balance even if you make the rates insanely high so you get them quickly

[winged dome]

Agreed

[blissful perch]

But yes we do talk often about PvP and PvE, and for those topics I try to keep things relevant to official settings since it’s the common ground

[untold ingot]

Mutations as they are now are bad lol. I see no issue with skill tree mutations

[blissful perch]

I think skill tree mutations is the right direction, but like stat mutations it can go too far if it isn’t capped or limited correctly

[mighty lion]

Ark Pvp isnt meant to be a single instanced balanced PVP match where both sides are equal though. Time effort should matter

[untold ingot]

I mean, official is where they balance things, so it would make sense jaja

[blissful perch]

I don’t disagree that this point is what separates ark from SoT

However I can’t think of another sandbox that really makes PvP thrive like SoT does. There’s something clean about it that I wish ark could take inspiration from without throwing out what makes ark PvP appealing

[untold ingot]

50% or something like that of the skill tree would be cap I would think. To still force some leveling

[blissful perch]

50% of a 200 skill tree is a pretty massive deal. The caps should be low if it’s skills or stats imo

[untold ingot]

Yeah it is, but it should be. A lot of people enjoy the arms race feel of ark

[blissful perch]

I think sadly the breeding arms race is what should stay in ark 1

[untold ingot]

Obviously not everyone, but there has to be something revolving around mutations that feels that way lol

[mighty lion]

Alot of PVP player will be disappointed if the breeding arms race goes

[blissful perch]

I think the question is how to capture that feeling without it being such an (imo) miserable mechanic for gameplay and for balance

[untold ingot]

Breeding will still be a thing. If it gears towards improving a line or just making a Dino factory it won't make much of a difference to the little guys

[mighty lion]

Now if they expanded the mutations system from a simple binary method ( mutation or not) that might be something

[untold ingot]

? How would that work

[blissful perch]

I think there are many directions to take for capturing the “progression arms race”

It doesn’t have to be mutations or beeeding, and it doesn’t have to be anything we’ve seen in ark 1 (although there’s tons of room for change even with existing ark 1 mechanics)

[untold ingot]

Well, yeah, but having a number of aspects the force that give the feel to a tribe that they are a progressing community

[blissful perch]

Right; the goal is the feeling

[mighty lion]

I'm generally confused by peoples ( miserable mechanic comments). You get eggs, put them in an incubation area, set a timer and do watever you want. Sorting after hatch is the only really time consuming thing.

[blissful perch]

I just want to make sure we’re clear about that…the goal is the feeling rather than an attachment to mutations themselves right?

[untold ingot]

And I feel mutations is a natural way to get that feeling lol

[blissful perch]

Like if another mechanic existed that provided the same feeling would that be fine?

[untold ingot]

Depends on what it is

[blissful perch]

The feeling of “endless” progression and arms race against other tribes that are at end game

The sort of “fight for the top”

[untold ingot]

Well, no one feels like it is endless, as testified by the people who come in here and say the cap needs to increase lol

[mighty lion]

I'm just trying to do my pea plant cross breeding sim in ark lol

[blissful perch]

I’m trying to capture a feeling I don’t crave or desire so I apologize if I’m missing anything or not understanding

[mighty lion]

Cap was too easy to hit imo

[blissful perch]

Ok if there was a complex genetics system I would lose my mind and throw out any criticism I had of breeding

My life would be dedicated to it instantly

[mighty lion]

That is what I want, but people have told me it's too complicated for ark

[untold ingot]

Hmm, well I would like that too, but how would it work?

[blissful perch]

It’s probably slightly off from what the primary design objectives are

But idk if you played minecraft with the bees mod Frieza? I spent years immersed in that

[mighty lion]

I havent

[untold ingot]

I have never played minecraft with mods lol

[mighty lion]

Punnet squares, but more complex. Although I doubt phenotypes would be in ark 2