ark-2

[west stream]

ark 2 take to long hahaha

me at 2020 : wow ark 2 at 2022
me at 2022 : well its 2023 dude..
me next year : another delay

[lapis fossil]

That doesnt work like that mate

[formal flower]

Resizing/Retexture?

[lapis fossil]

Man, Ark 2 is completely made with unreal engine 5

[formal flower]

How does that have in any way to do with what my point was

[lapis fossil]

They cant use unreal engine 5 if Ark is made with unreal engine 4

[formal flower]

No shit, but i said they can rescale and reshader the Giga lol

[ripe marsh]

funny thing is rex is no longer feathered anymore

[abstract birch]

And it is supposed to have Lips. The Ark 2 Rex is far from beeing accurate.

Clueing some "feathers" on the dinos makes them not accurate. The Raptors look more like the pyoraptor from JW than more accurate Utha Raptors.

But I also doubt WC is going for super accurate dinos, only more realistic looking.

[tight glade]

Speculative.
There is evidence that suggest that Tyrannosaurus has light feathering on its back and tail, but there are two Dinos in Ark now that are related to T. Rex that have said feathering, those Tyrannosarids being the Yutyrannus and Megalosaurus.
And even in the more recent discovery of Moros Intrepidus being possibly the smallest Tyrannosaurid that does have evidence of feathers.
We can use this to theorize that Tyrannosaurus did indeed have some form of Feather coverings on its body. Just not the sheer amount on the Rex in the Game Awards reveal.

And I went full nerd, great-

[ripe marsh]

Yeah, I'm very well aware of that speculation but most paleontologists, as of right now, have concluded that T. rex was simply too big to have any feathers, and even if it did it would be very similar to hair on elephants. I'm not dismissing the possibility of feathered rex returning, but simply stating the current consensus. Also Megalosaurus is not related to T. rex. Always go full nerd :P

[tight glade]

Ok, you got me on Megalosaurus, but Yutyrannus is possibly one of the other good examples of feathering in the Tyrannosarids. I just think Moros is the best example.
Also I do agree, the Rex might’ve had smaller feathering along the previously mentioned parts of its body. And for once I can say Jurassic World actually has some form of sense and put plumage on the Rex.
Along with other feathered Dinos that we will never mention because of the absurdity of the size of some…

[ripe marsh]

Yutyrannus would be a far better example, despite being distantly related, than Moros due to how small it is. Tyrannosaurids are prob as big as they get for feathers, could be wrong tho.

[mortal kestrel]

time for feathered argentinasaurus

[tight glade]

More likely quills on sauropods, not straight feathers.
I actually doubt that sauropods could have feathers, but that’s me

[mortal kestrel]

I was jesting

I do agree, more quills than feathers

[royal nebula]

I mean idc about accuracy when we don’t even know what’s accurate when it comes to what dinosaurs looked like irl, they probably looked really different then what we think they did anyways

[willow anvil]

the dinos are not supposes 2 be accurate they literally said that these dinos have had thousands of years of evolution and thats how they look like now

[abstract birch]

That is what I said if you had read two sentences further.

[tropic crag]

Speculative zoology is quite ingrained into the IP, don't know why they'd stop now, it's a big part of Ark lmao

[plain jackal]

I hope in Ark 2 you'll be able to look up at the Halo ring looking thing or find the ruins of it (Just my speculation is that the ring we see at the end of Gen 2 is another lifeboat for Dinos and Humanity since it would make sense to link it to Ark 2 due to the trailer)

(Plus the explosion at the end of Gen 2 could've damaged it due to the debris hence why its either crashing into the planet shown in Ark 2 or malfunctioning hence why there's dinos on said planet.)

[untold totem]

they should really double down on that instead of.... orks

[tropic crag]

They... are... the Aratai are about as speculative as you can get, they're literally a species native to another planet

Not much more speculative you can get aside from whales living in space, which they've done 😅

[mighty lion]

Do you guys think tameable titan-esc creatures have a place in ark 2?

[untold ingot]

Considering their use in Ark1, I hope not

It forces people to build huge turret walls, and I am hoping for other kinds of defenses

[untold ingot]

And they seem to look and act like orcs lol. I feel a bit more ingenuity could have been used lol

Lol, I get that, I want to see less of it though lol

Well, if mutations get changed and there are no titans, then it shouldn't be too hard lol

[south lance]

Mandatory cave base meta

I fucking hate seeing cave walls all the time

[mighty lion]

We added different defenses for titans. I've even seen spiral stair case spam on fen 1 bases, where titans aren't allowed

[south lance]

Spiral stairs are for titans?

Can they not damage them or something

[mighty lion]

Cave raids are fun if they don't have a crouch. Those walls are like money signs

[south lance]

I just dislike the sameyness

[mighty lion]

It just takes a longer time for them to destroy and slows their advance

[south lance]

Huh

[untold ingot]

They are better than walls and fence supports for blocking titans

[blissful perch]

I think the titanosaur is a good example of a titan that works as a raid boss tame but isn’t so oppressive that it ruins the meta. But perhaps I’m misremembering what it used to do before extinction

@mighty lion @fiery wedge did either of you play with the titanosaur and have feedback?

[untold ingot]

Well, have you ever defended against a titan?

Lol, they are broken jaja

With a metal box around the person nothing can really touch them, and they can demo a whole wall in like 20 seconds jaja

[blissful perch]

I've seen extinction titan raids but never a titanosaur raid

[fiery wedge]

Titanosaurs are meme tames lol

They're pretty useless

[mighty lion]

Titanosaurs fell out of favor in PVP really early on. The time it took to tame, set it up, and walk it to an enemy base ( cryopods dont work on it) just wasnt worth the static 230k hp. I've only seen it used once myself.

[untold ingot]

They are useless now, early on they were op. And it's the early on that I am worried about in ark2

[mighty lion]

Yah, I'm fully expecting certain new dinos and even some of the old reworked ones to be broken early on.

[graceful stone]

I just read it’s Xbox exclusive. Guess I got another year playing Ark1

[mighty lion]

It will probably be exclusive for a 1 to 2 year period

[untold ingot]

Soundels terrible. My condolences 🤣🤣

[pallid flax]

I guess doing every map again wouldn't hurt

[mental plume]

yayyyy

sorry but yayyy the only let down is vin being Santiago

[lapis fossil]

Ark 2 being an Xbox exclusive for a long period of time would be terrible, The dont win anything doing that, in Fact, they win less money than if it wasnt

[stray elm]

Isn't really their choice

(Also, Brub said it's Xbox exclusive which is slightly a lie. It's coming out for PC and Xbox)

ARK-2 is coming out in Early-Access, and Sony allows only a year of Early-Access on their platform before they take the game off.

[tropic crag]

More a general Microsoft exclusive, since they will have it on Windows PCs at launch iirc

[stray elm]

And steam

They've confirmed steam if i recall.

[tropic crag]

Ah ok then nvm didn't see that

[abstract birch]

You can allready see it on steam, so most likely ^^

[stray elm]

Oooh, right

We're fucking dumb.

[tropic crag]

It's mostly just not gonna be on PS, because Sony dislikes early access lol

[stray elm]

Which is what i stated.

[tropic crag]

True

I don't think Nintendies has an EA program so that kinda sucks, otherwise it might've been planned

[stray elm]

Ye

But they should probably focus on their three (now two) biggest platforms to test the game on first.

[lapis fossil]

Pls dont Tell me that, i have always been from play and i cannot buy a Pc or a Xbox 😩 Ark is my favourite game of all time, i need to play Ark 2

[abstract birch]

You will need minimum of a PS5 anyways when it comes out on PS.

[lapis fossil]

Yes, i have a Ps5

[abstract birch]

Then you might simply have to wait longer than Box/PC people

[lapis fossil]

Well, i just hope it isnt much long

[abstract birch]

At least you will have PC and Box people as beta tester and you can have a look if the game is still what you like.

[tropic crag]

Well then you're set, just gotta wait a year for them to iron out the bugs/smack all us xbox/pc users with the bugs 🤣

[stray elm]

Hey, you'll at least get a more stable version of the game. And a year-or-two worth of videos to know if you'd actually want the game or not.

[lapis fossil]

1 Year is waaaay too much time 😩😞

[tropic crag]

I know, I wish exclusives and console wars weren't a thing 😔

[abstract birch]

A year is not that long and it might even be longer. No one of us knows by now.

[lapis fossil]

I want that game no matter what, Ark is my favourite game BY FAR and i have played +200 games

[stray elm]

Then buy a PC if you're so impatient.

[lapis fossil]

Yeah 😞

[stray elm]

Yeah, same.
But (i doubt it) what if it doesn't even feel like ARK anymore?
Don't be one of those pre-order suckers that don't research the game heavily.

[tropic crag]

Never pre-order til the very last second, most companies will let you refund if it isn't paid way in advance 😎

[lapis fossil]

To be honest unlessyou play Pve, Ark doesnt feel like it was (it is still my favourite game and i love playing it), but i am gonna be sooo happy if i get to play Ark 2

[abstract birch]

What I allways say is out of experience, best wait until the game is released and then have a look at it in Vids and reviews and then decide if it is still the game you want.

[stray elm]

I've only pre-ordered 3 games my whole life. And i have yet to regret any of them, since i actually bothered to research and wait for gameplay first.

[tropic crag]

If you're really unsure about the game then defo wait until after release, unless there's like mad pre-order bonuses

[tropic crag]

I've only regretted three pre-orders, heh 😅

[stray elm]

Which if anyone is interesting.
Dying-Light 2, DOOM Eternal, and Elden-Ring where the only games i've pre-ordered.

[abstract birch]

Yes, also you will not really miss out on anything important if you don't preorder.

I did regret a bunch of preorders I made.

[lapis fossil]

I havent preordered any game in my life but, if i can preorder Ark 2 for ps5, i will do it no matter what to be honest, i just love it

Also, i havent regreted any game i have bought so🤷‍♂️

[lunar finch]

You'll be waiting awhile since it won't be available on PS at release. 😄

[lapis fossil]

Thats what we were talking about a moment ago 😞😞

[tropic crag]

Most times, sometimes there is something unique that you will never get another way, trust me... it sucks not having the lifetime dlc pass for Elite: Dangerous, lol

[lapis fossil]

Its depressing and pointless ☹️

[lunar finch]

I'm happy to preorder games because I'm going to buy them as soon as they release otherwise, anyways. Lol

[stray elm]

Tell that to Sony

[abstract birch]

That are the super special preorder bonis but even for that I did regret some of my preorders cause it was a waste of money and the bonis then did give me nothing XD

I rarely preorder now and often not befor I have seen a big bunch of gameplay

[lavish rain]

Pre-order the deluxe edition of ark2 and get all Vin diesal movies and future Vin diesal movies in theaters or DVD FREE for life/j

[abstract birch]

[mighty lion]

I'd preorder for some exclusive skins

[mental plume]

whats the pre order bonus

[lunar finch]

We have no idea about any of that yet. 😄

[tropic crag]

We're just talking about pre-orders in general lol

[tepid briar]

pre-order bonus should be
season pass
200 ark coins
Free exclusive tek rifle (only for those who pre-ordered)
Battle-pass
5 2x exp redeemable-coins

😈

[untold ingot]

Except none of those exist in ark lol

[lavish rain]

That's the point

[untold ingot]

I get the feeling I just wooshed myself again lol

[lavish rain]

Yep

[lavish rain]

Why

[abstract birch]

[lavish rain]

Why those emotes jamie

[abstract birch]

cause it is cringe lol

[lavish rain]

It's called the Vin diesal deal

[lapis fossil]

[lapis fossil]

Playstation 😩😩😩

Whyyyyyy😩😩😩 you would win more money if it was in Playstation ,The community of Playstation loves Ark,

Lets se me if he answer but I doubt it

[fiery wedge]

Probably because PlayStation barely even allows early access titles.

[ripe cedar]

Same reason it was on xbox a year before ps4 with ark 1 yeah

[tropic crag]

It's Sony's fault, read past Bluestone's comment 😉

Or, well, more recently lol

[lapis fossil]

Why is it Sonys fault?

[tropic crag]

Read until now from here, I'm too tired to explain lol @lapis fossil

You were even there for part of the convo, so I'm guessing you didn't read it all

[mortal kestrel]

meh, its ironic that playstation peeps complain about getting excluded from things

considering their library is like 90% exclusives

[blissful perch]

Then again I wouldn’t mind if ark had been console free…it’s a time and development burden I’d like it to have avoided. But I guess that ship has long sailed

[lapis fossil]

I didn’t say that isn’t unfair either

[mortal kestrel]

same shifter

but eh

[mighty lion]

Is it much of a time difference to make an xbox port compared to a pc port?

I'm sure the income/ perks they're getting from being a console exclusive is significant and helping development.

[stark ice]

So when is it coming out? And can we preorder now?

[untold ingot]

Uh, going from a pc game to an Xbox is a lot harder than going from an Xbox game to a pc game, especially if they are porting to steam or epic

[mortal kestrel]

^

[fallow niche]

2023, no pre-orders yet.

[mighty lion]

I hope they make an ark 2 special edition xbox

[stark ice]

Doubtful

[twin cave]

oh no, im gonna see this on r/woosh

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I do that a lot. They should have a channel about me

[blissful perch]

It has to be economically viable to happen but you have to scale down a PC game for consoles (maybe a bit less now with next gen consoles) and run parallel development versions which slows things down

I think Xbox is getting much closer to PC which may ease that…but I haven’t seen PS taking a similar path

[tepid briar]

I just need
1 droplet of gameplay footage
It's all i am asking for

[fallow niche]

We have trailers in the pins

[twin cave]

feel this ngel

[quartz turret]

FYI even if Ark 2 gets on PlayStation it will not have mods

🙂

PlayStation HATES external assets

[ripe cedar]

Mod.io says it works on playstation

[fallow niche]

https://mods.io

[rotund burrow]

I hope the dinos get better ai

And pelagornis gets a remodel

[mint swan]

In ark 2 the Ai will be smart

[rotund burrow]

Did they say that or something

[ripe marsh]

yeah

check pins, there's a load of info there

[rotund burrow]

Dino souls

I hope we can have at least neutral relations with the aratai

I don’t wanna be forced to fight em

[mighty lion]

They are a hostile ai force

[mighty lion]

"Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world."

[rotund burrow]

I know but still

They’ve probably lived there a lot longer than we have

[mighty lion]

Yeah they're native, would be cool if aratai in different regions were more advanced technologically.

[rotund burrow]

I just wanna chill and be friends with em

[mighty lion]

Maybe there will be a skill tree perk that allows that

[ripe marsh]

Yeah, kinda hoping for that too

[worn valley]

If in any way possible I could get a hold of one of the devs I have a pretty good idea for Ark too

My ideas hard to type out so if one of the devs or someone that knows one of the devs to maybe put this idea in if they could call me

[analog hamlet]

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[blissful perch]

My guess is that there’s events with them you can avoid if you wish to be peaceful

I assume there’s also a more “defensive” AI for them…so if you don’t hunt them down or harass their settlements you’re less likely to be attacked

[mighty lion]

But can I wholesale drop them into enemy camps ... that is the question.

[tropic crag]

This isn't an issue now, you are right

[tropic crag]

Skyrim and Fallout 4 players will remember that.

Lol, like a telltale game

[worldly badger]

Scorpion needs a buff

[tropic dune]

wsp

[mortal kestrel]

Im rather certain everything is getting a remodel

the rex in the trailers looks awesome

[mortal kestrel]

psst we've come to talk to you about your tames extended warranty

[abstract birch]

You should have told them that in reality the Rex in Ark2 will look like Barney

[mortal kestrel]

pffft

nah, a sharp tooth from the land before time

arkII is just the land before time the game

[whole parcel]

ark 2 is going to be a disaster because we haven seen actual gameplay and it launches next year

[oblique horizon]

A lot of games don’t release a gameplay trailer until a month before launch.

[ripe marsh]

additionally, It will be released in EA again

[stray elm]

Didn't it take Elden-Ring till the last year of its development to show gameplay footage?

[mint swan]

Logan makes a notable point, ARK 2 will release in early access/game preview

[mighty lion]

Games that release gameplay footage too early can get steam rolled in reviews, especially since we as fans are supercritical and over analyze. I'm sure you remember halo infinite's initial gameplay vid

[mint swan]

what if the dinos all look like original live action sonic!!

[stray elm]

oh no....

[mint swan]

if i didnt have guests i would sit on photoshop for that lol

[mighty lion]

I'd die

[royal nebula]

Would be a Horror game 100%

[chilly osprey]

Then the same ploy of suddenly making them better could be pulled.

[abstract birch]

all with human Lips and mouthes ? XD

[mint swan]

of course, how else would one design a deenosaur

[abstract birch]

Helena.... I am affraid !

[mint swan]

[lavish rain]

Chat revive: there will be diesal gasoline in ark 2 because of Vin diesal

[tropic crag]

Diesel*

[mighty lion]

Imagine us making compression engines for the sake of a pun

[lavish rain]

I see it happening for the sake of a pun

In Vin diesal of all people

[tropic crag]

Diesel*

[plain jackal]

Ark 2: Every single person is jacked up 2x more compared to Ark 1

[royal nebula]

I mean our survivors in ark 1 when max level are basically beyond peak physical strength for a human lol

So double that we would be pretty strong

[plain jackal]

Should've typed it better

2x More bulky in Ark 2

[royal nebula]

Oh Jesus lol

I do want more character customization tho from the start

Enough for everyone to be unique

[grave python]

are troodons confirmed for ark 2?

[blissful perch]

No

[royal nebula]

I hope duel wielding weapons is a thing

And it changes the move set

I’d definitely do duel short swords or something

[tough mortar]

That would be nice

[minor prism]

Man I don’t doubt ther is guna be something way worse than a troodon in ark 2, u know the devs find shit funny like when they jam a turkey in with a gigas bite 😂

[blissful perch]

If I have to do anything as irritating as a troodon tame I’m gonna be a bit sad ngl

[barren kestrel]

will ark 2 be realistic

or a kiddos paradise like ark 1 with spaceships

[gleaming olive]

wtb ignore in ark...

[plain jackal]

So Ark 1 Genesis Part Two is the link between 1 and 2 so probably will be realistic then not realistic down the line

[barren kestrel]

great another tek paradise, will see the day of an ark that emphasizes realism over arcade-type game

[abstract birch]

Ark 2 is on an Alien planet and will have Aliens.. sadly no full realistic dino game.. sorry for you.

And it involves Vin Diesel.. so watch his newer movies and you know how "realistic" they are (sarcasm).

[lavish rain]

ark 2 has no tek though?

[lavish rain]

Don't know what your talking about with realism, that's simply not arks thing

[mortal kestrel]

dont forget googly eyes

[abstract birch]

XDD

[mortal kestrel]

hmm yes because dinosaurs are realistic

[abstract birch]

And otters with otterly faces

[barren kestrel]

last i checked they were

[abstract birch]

Yep humans living with dinosaurs is totaly realistic...

[mortal kestrel]

look we all know you are old as dirt

but most of us werent alive when dinos were okay

[barren kestrel]

the sarco is still among us

[abstract birch]

As were the obelisks and the implant in your arm till the beginning

[abstract birch]

Oh and were are the rexes and Brontos ? Didn't see any lately.

[mortal kestrel]

damn look at all those pteradons alive today

[abstract birch]

Expecting Ark to be realistic is like demanding the avangers to stop having superpowers.

[barren kestrel]

extinct last i checked

[abstract birch]

Also.. Alien planet with... cough realistic Orcs and flower alien lizard..

[mortal kestrel]

damn look at all those realistic aliens

xenomorph-chan is that you?

[grave python]

the sarco is still where???

[barren kestrel]

I would go to the doctor if you seeing pteradons in the sky

[barren kestrel]

mostly swamps

[mortal kestrel]

idk I dont see any myself

[barren kestrel]

in florida theres alot

[abstract birch]

As I know these are aligators

[mortal kestrel]

if a crocodile is a sarco, then an anaconda is a titanoboa and a great white is a megalodon

[abstract birch]

Yeah and my chicken are Rexes !

[barren kestrel]

and an Eve is a 🥚

[mortal kestrel]

hey

I am not an egg, Im an Eve

[lavish rain]

Go bruising

[tropic crag]

Sarcosuchus are not alligators you nonce

They may be ancestors to them, but you know what else has a saurid ancestor? The chicken. No shit. Go look it up, you'll be surprised.

[abstract birch]

People have a ton of Rexes nowadays and eat their eggs 😉

[mortal kestrel]

trueee and you know what? we humans also have a fish ancestor

so humans are now fish

[tropic crag]

Yup, we are fish

[abstract birch]

I allways knew you are a fishy one...

[mortal kestrel]

uwu

no Im a slime

[tropic crag]

And you know what? I can do ya one better, not only are we all fish, but we and every other living being on the entire planet Earth was once bacteria foaming out of a vent in the ocean bed. So, there, now we're all just bacteria 😤

[blissful perch]

Ark’s always avoided being hyper realistic because hyper realism sucks fun out of a game like crazy

[mortal kestrel]

agreed

[empty grail]

Just cuz we have human ancestor don't make us fish

Maybe u not me

[south lance]

Youre a fish! Blub blub!

Its all over your DNA!

I throw you in the ocean and you swim, see!?

[mighty lion]

Funny thing is with the latest scientific renderings a hyper realistic rex would be a chonky boy and baby -> juvenile -> adolescent stages would look wonky as hell.

[south lance]

yeah people always seem to underestimate how fat dinos could be

probably cause of shrink wrapping style that stayed around for half a century in pop culture

at best it might apply to pterosaurs

not dinos but ye

reminds me that i gotta binge prehistoric planet

[ripe cedar]

Especially if they are just sitting around your base eating all day

[empty grail]

Ok

[mighty lion]

Cant wait to see what base defense looks like

[untold ingot]

If it's all electronic turrets I am going to cry lol

[tropic crag]

Hmm...

[mighty lion]

I would like some non plant or animal based automatic turrets

[untold ingot]

How would that work?

If it's not electronic, not plant and not animal, that doesn't leave many options lol

[past wind]

Atlas has npc controlled cannons

It’s a “manned” gun, but controlled by AI

I think Wildcard will have to trade tek/electronics for NPCs

[mighty lion]

^ that like maybe ai controlled crossbows. Though we are forgetting that " primarily primitive" does not mean "entirely primitive"

[mortal kestrel]

I hope we will have a building tier similar to s+'s glass in arkII

[south lance]

Traps could be cool but idk

I prefer aratai guards

[untold ingot]

I personally hope it does lol

[south lance]

Imagine a compound with 300 aratai guards

Cant just mow everyone down with a rex cause they use ballistas and harpoons n shit

Have to do a proper siege or maybe sneak in and disable everyone

[untold ingot]

If ballista actually did realistic damage they would be good for defense lol

[south lance]

Would be cool if you have to somehow "train" aratai too

[south lance]

Hopefully they do

[untold ingot]

Like it doesn't matter if it's a trike or not a ballista or cannon to the face and it'll be dead lol

[south lance]

Tbf that applies to most explosives too

All dinos should be fully incapacitated with 3-10 c4

Or a rocket to the face

[untold ingot]

Well, I am hoping not to see c4 or rockets lol

[south lance]

Yeah

Maybe gunpowder explosives at best

All this hinges on hp bar based health system

Rather than like, complex hitboxes

Also the whole realism thing

[untold ingot]

Uh, there will be a hp bar system, even if there are multiple lol

[south lance]

Dont care 😎

Im gonna differentiate both systems

With whatever i called them

[blissful perch]

I’m very curious if the “hitzone” based combat aspects are purely visual or if it matters where you hit something

[blissful perch]

Rip ballista. I do think it would be cool if it was viable to be in a manned turret

[mighty lion]

Sounds good in theory, but 1 shot mechanics get boring fast and typically get changed due to player complaints.

[untold ingot]

Well yeah, so make it 3shot

[south lance]

They better be expensive shots

Unless the dinos they aim to hit arent meant to survive that long

Like if a ballista is trying to stop a charging dino from breaking a wall

Basically same scenario as using fast dinos to run into turret walls

[untold ingot]

Well yeah, I am hoping they focus more on people having to strategically attack than just sit on a stego with a rocket launcher

[mighty lion]

Well I hope defensive structures with the new expanded building is more complex than " 3 shotting all dinos". I agree ballista and such should do more relative damage than they do in ark 1

[untold ingot]

Lol, and I hope there are no auto turrets lol

If the melee is all close combat, and there are ranged turrets it kind of defeats the purpose lol

[south lance]

I kinda hate turrets

If its even kind of possible there will always be a nolife willing to waste 4 hours soaking

Each section of the base

[mighty lion]

I like turrets because they allow for me to be offline and let me know if someone's been close. If someone is spending 4 hours soaking a wall, they probably dont know what they are doing anyways.

[south lance]

Thats the thing tho, they dont need to know what theyre doing

[mighty lion]

That's an easy defense then

[south lance]

Yeah if youre online

[untold ingot]

Hopefully there will be other ways to defend bases

[south lance]

I wish there was more to base offense

[mighty lion]

Why not both?

[untold ingot]

That don't require advanced technology items lol

[mystic dome]

well, if everything is primitive, then the defenses will not be as advanced cause the attacker will be no better off. thatch and wooden walls would be difficult to break into unless it's massive dinos or siege weapons right? still kind of interesting how they go about it.

[south lance]

Both what specifically

[mighty lion]

More defensive and offensive items

[south lance]

Like im fine with limited auto turrets

[untold ingot]

I would rather 12 types of plant defenses than having auto turrets again

[south lance]

Yeah more offense and defense overall would be nice

Id like more options in general

[mighty lion]

Might work if some are not susceptible to flame arrows

[south lance]

Flame arrows shouldnt exist in the same way

[mighty lion]

Flame arrows are pretty damn primitive

[south lance]

At least dont make them able to destroy all plants given an hour

They should exist just not able to do the same stuff

Maybe make it so they are better for killing dinos ig idk

Rather than making them the prim equivalent of a tek rifle by allowing them to destroy prim structures

[mighty lion]

Hmm it would be cool if you could use flames to destroy pathways in the game .. since we will be doing parkour and vine travel

[south lance]

Maybe yeah

Well

Depends on whether those paths are super meaningful in the first place

Maybe if things like trees become useful base spots

[mighty lion]

True

[south lance]

Id love to live in trees tbh

Sad that we dont have many arboreal base spots in game

[mighty lion]

With with farther render distancea, you could actually build decent cliff and tree bases

[south lance]

At least not many viable ones

I hope its not just one option to make a massive platform base

I wanna make a tiny treehouse

I think crystal isles jungle trees allowed for this

Though there wasnt many spots to build on

[untold ingot]

Uh, flame arrows only make sense against structures really lol

[south lance]

If they need to be destructive to structures make them expensive

And/or somewhat difficult to effectively use

Shouldnt be able to just craft 500 and go to town on a base

Especially if ark2 is primitive

[untold ingot]

Ooooor, have a new function to allow for dousing plants with water so that flame arrows don't work against them, with a 6 hour cooldown between when you soak them and then arrows work

[south lance]

Thats could work sure

But then what would even be the point of flame arrows

Since they probably wouldnt be useful for 90% of bases

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I dont think fire arrows in general should exist, unless you had to throw oil on something for them to actually burn stuff

it just doesnt make sense to have them

[untold ingot]

Flame arrows would work for bases that are offline too long

[south lance]

Fair

[mortal kestrel]

maybe?

[south lance]

As another option its ok

[mortal kestrel]

but make that timer like a week at least minimum

[south lance]

I just feel like they should have more utility than just that

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping to be able to make some, like, celtic themed houses

[south lance]

Though with ark claiming to have a ton of variants of items and stuff maybe it wouldnt be a big deal to have a ton of items only have a single use case

[mortal kestrel]

I think the variants will be more to give attributes to the stuff you craft

it would be great if everything used modular crafting to some degree to affect its stats

[south lance]

Did they confirm stuff like varying types of wood

[mortal kestrel]

but I know my first goal in arkII will be making obsidian weapons and tools

and no pray, we know basically nothing about modular crafting other than that it exists

[south lance]

Welp guess its to be seen

Man i cant wait for extralife

[mortal kestrel]

sameee

Im hoping we get some basic gameplay trailers

like, at least 20 seconds would be great

[south lance]

Ye

Well i wouldnt overestimate how useful gameplay footage would necessarily be

[mortal kestrel]

I want an idea of how parkour works, as well as combat and building

[south lance]

Im hoping for a mechanics show off

[mortal kestrel]

yeah same

[south lance]

Ye like about the parkour n stuff

Mainly how combat will work

Cause thats the biggest thing im worried about

[mortal kestrel]

I want foot combat to be intricate enough that if I had the skill level I could take on a rex and win

but not so simple that I can just roll my face on the keyboard and kill anything on foot with ease

Im also curious on weapon variety, and if weapon types will play a role in the attacks they can perform

[south lance]

Depends on how tames work

But yeah id like more options available to foot combat besides run or gun

[mortal kestrel]

well we know arkII will have locational damage on tames

so that will make it more interesting

[south lance]

It will?

I didnt know if it was confirmed anywhere

[mortal kestrel]

yeah it was

let me see if I can find it

[south lance]

Steam page?

[mortal kestrel]

"Construct your weapons and tools from a range of distinct modules to customize their look and functionality -- millions of possible combinations enable you to craft your own unique gear! The specific materials you choose will further affect the appearance of your items, with multiple options of resources found in unique regions of the world."

I wonder if that last bit means we will have multiple wood types depending on where we live

[south lance]

That last part could mean anything really

Such applies to ark1 as is

[ripe cedar]

Not really

[split dove]

can't find anything with the locational dmg on the steam page, i think it's part of the dev post in that community crunch

[south lance]

Theres various regions where you get specific resources in ark1

[blissful perch]

It says something akin to “watch creatures flinch where you hit them”

[mortal kestrel]

here we are

" For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit"

[ripe cedar]

Its not part of any official post as far as im aware, just makes sense with the new combat system

[mortal kestrel]

from the website post

[mortal kestrel]

it is, yes

[south lance]

So more complex reaction to damage

[mortal kestrel]

which would mean there would be locational damage of some sort

[south lance]

That could be interesting since it implies a more complixated hitbox

[blissful perch]

It only means there’s a visual difference

[south lance]

But that visual will be dependent on a complex hitbox

[blissful perch]

We don’t know if there will be hitzones like monster hunter that actually do anything versus a more graphics/immersion thing

[ripe cedar]

I say we still dont have enough info on basically anything

[south lance]

Which offers the avenue for locational damage

[mortal kestrel]

yeah thats what I am saying pray

[blissful perch]

Yea it would definitely be the blueprint for hitzones but those aren’t confirmed yet

[south lance]

Like, a trex might get stuck trying to crunch through another dinos back or neck but obviously it shouldnt have any issue biting off the tip of a dinos tail right

Unless stego but ye

Oooo i wonder if you can bite, grasp, and throw dinos

[untold ingot]

There isn't anything confirmed about more complicated hitboxes but I think most people want them

[south lance]

More complexity is the name of the game 😎

[mortal kestrel]

"Gain both experience points from gameplay, and knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges, to progress along a massive skill tree filled with new active abilities, perks, and passive benefits."

I find this interesting

we have two types of points confirmed here for the skill tree

[south lance]

I wonder if knowledge points are just rehashed engram system

[mortal kestrel]

that would mean our engrams would be tied to what skills we have then

[blissful perch]

Well they said there’s a level up/exp system and a knowledge point system…so I do think the engrams system is getting the boot

[mortal kestrel]

it would be interesting if, say to learn weapon types, you'd have to learn blacksmithing skills

[south lance]

Idk feel like you can make a pessimistic case that engrams are basically a crafting tree

[untold ingot]

It sounds like a normal xp/engram mix, but could be cool if they remove Stat level ups and use the skill tree instead

[mortal kestrel]

I imagine thats what is going to happen

[blissful perch]

The engrams points system is uh terrible

[untold ingot]

Technically yeah, but currently it's not much of a tree

[south lance]

Ability based system

[mortal kestrel]

it would be weird to have stat boosts ontop of skills

you'd become immortal in no time and would need little skill to survive

[south lance]

Its definitely not much and i kinda hate it all things considered so i hope its revamped

[blissful perch]

Yea it looks like experience comes from doing stuff and knowledge points is a mission specific unlock

So I’m wondering if knowledge points have a separate tree from “normal” level ups

[mortal kestrel]

"Target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, special attacks, emphasizing player-skill-based action."

dodges plural has my interest peaked... multiple dodge types then? and Im especially interested in these special attacks

since they list both staggers and special attacks, I think it could be assumed a special attack isnt merely just a heavy

[blissful perch]

I mean maybe different dodge animations for different weapons but I’m holding X to doubt that there’s “different” dodges

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love if each weapon archetype had its own dodge animation

[south lance]

Im fine with dodge based on the direction you look in

[blissful perch]

Ew, strafe dodges pls

[mortal kestrel]

I'd want a forward dodge and a backwards dodge at least... we have a lock on system so purely a forward dodge will be bad

[south lance]

Have that tied to a/d+dodge button

Or just have dodge direction be based on wasd

[mortal kestrel]

I think dodges should be done based off the direction you are moving when you press dodge

[south lance]

Yeah

[south lance]

Just remembered this was shown in announcement trailer so maybe in game hopefully

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[south lance]

I mean its literally how karkino ability works

Grab atk which auto holds and then throw

[mortal kestrel]

"Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging"

swinging sounds fun for parkour

[south lance]

I hope you can maintain velocity with proper combo of swing/slide etc

[mortal kestrel]

it would be neat if attacks had a momentum modifier

[south lance]

Depends on attack

[mortal kestrel]

so the faster you are moving, the more damage you do

[mortal kestrel]

trueee

maybe reserve it for heavy/special attacks

[south lance]

Or surprise ones

[mortal kestrel]

eh, nah that inheritantly doesnt make sense

[south lance]

Like if you leap off a cliff to jam a spear into a dino it should have massive damage compared to normal

[mortal kestrel]

if you are running at mach 10 you are hardly going to surprise someone

[south lance]

?

Just do it from behind

[mortal kestrel]

they'd hear your footsteps though

[south lance]

Too quick to react

I dont mean like run up

I mean like if you swing from across a canyon or some shit

[mortal kestrel]

the whole death from above thing could be pretty cool

it would make swinging super strong though if it was just limited to airborne attacks

[south lance]

Well things to swing from would probably be in short supply

This is mainly just an example tho

Could be anything that allows you to get exceedingly fast

[mortal kestrel]

I do think a stealth modifier for attacks would be neat

I just dont think stealth attacks should have a momentum modifier

[south lance]

Like lets say youre on a pt and you jump off to hit someone

[mortal kestrel]

pteradons would be loud as hell, no stealth there

[south lance]

The stealth is in the speed

[mortal kestrel]

thats not stealth though

[south lance]

Not technical stealth

[mortal kestrel]

they'd see you coming

[south lance]

Again, from behind

I dont think stealth should just be sneaky jungle man in the bush

[mortal kestrel]

they would still see you coming

aint no one going to hear loudass pteradon wing beats and not take notice

[south lance]

They arent necessarily loud

Its no wyvern

[mortal kestrel]

they are though

[south lance]

Plus jungle ambience quieting your moves

[mortal kestrel]

its a membrane thats catching air with no feathers to break up the air as it clashes with the wing

there is going to be loud noise regardless

[south lance]

You might hear it if youre paying attention

[mortal kestrel]

let me expand on what I mean

stealth attacks should have a modifier... like say you stabbed or shot someone before they noticed you

but attacks with a lot of momentum should have their own separate momentum modifier instead, and it should override the stealth modifier instead of stacking with it

the problem with stealth is that I dont think players should have a stealth modifier, since the attention of a player cant be accurately gauged

but dinos, sure

[south lance]

Purely mechanically sure yeah

Idk how exactly youd implement stealth tho

As a mechanic*

[mortal kestrel]

against dinos it would be easy, since its already confirmed to exist anyway

"No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures."

[south lance]

I mean more against other players

If thats not supposed to apply then fair

[mortal kestrel]

thats what I am saying, players just shouldnt be stealth attacked

[south lance]

If dinos are viable for base defense then this could be cool

[mortal kestrel]

maybe players can have a backstab modifier like dark souls bosses?

[south lance]

Like just roaming around using their AI to defend a base

[mortal kestrel]

meaning if you attacked a players back then they take more damage

[south lance]

Idk feels cheesable

[mortal kestrel]

player combat is already going to be pretty cheesable tbh

considering player v player conflicts will be purely skill based

[south lance]

Maybe

Still wanna know what these new mechanics actually look like

[mortal kestrel]

Im curious about the specials

I want to be able to throw my weapons

[hybrid cargo]

The trailer is so perfect

[mental plume]

can u throw a pick or a axe

[south lance]

Didnt santiago throw his axe at an aratai

In announcement trailer

Ill check ig

[mental plume]

probably

idk

[mortal kestrel]

yeah he did

I want to be able to make a belt and stock it with throwing daggers

[untold ingot]

As long as they are useless against most Dinos lol

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt they would be any less useless than any other throwing weapon

I'd use my throwing daggers to inflict status effects

[untold ingot]

Any throwing weapon should be useless against a big dino

[south lance]

He did

[blissful perch]

backstabs again work better in a pve game

backstabbing people's tames or other players is gonna feel cheap at best and downright miserable at worst, depending on ping

[mortal kestrel]

true

[stray elm]

I don't know man.
People used to take on mammoths with throwing none-stop spears back then.

[south lance]

Yeah and mammoths are extinct now

No more fun spear throwing at big hairy mammal

[blissful perch]

ancient spears were also kinda nuts

[south lance]

Were they tho

[stray elm]

They're gone

[untold ingot]

I mean mammoths are smaller than Dinos, and knives are smaller than a spears lol

It would take a whole herd of hoomans to take down one mammoth too

[mighty lion]

Or fire and a steep cliff

[untold ingot]

True

[rotund grail]

Give us some leaks on ark 2 game play .

[mortal kestrel]

we will probably see it around extra life

[mighty lion]

Probably

When they say " far bigger canvas" I hope they mean atleast 4x gen 2 size

[blissful perch]

bruh massive maps only matter if they have stuff in them

genesis 2 was big but it felt so bland because it was large and forgettable. Give me foot maps that are smaller in sq km but larger in feeling

[untold ingot]

It was only really forgettable because of the tek suits and lack of texture

I actually much prefer gen2 layout compared to something like rag where every 3 feet is a new biome

[south lance]

Honestly i still think larger maps would be better

[untold ingot]

Big open fields and massive forests make sense for dinos

And make both pvp and pve better

Since there is more room per person

[south lance]

A giant redwoods biome with more microbiomes within it would be neat

[untold ingot]

Yeah, something like vals, but bigger

[south lance]

Rather than shoving a tundra, desert, jungle, grasslands in 20 sqkm

Valg was made pretty well

[untold ingot]

Yeah

For biome balance it is probably the best

[south lance]

Ye

I think the only thing it might have used was more hiding spots just to chill in

Couple more caves n shit

Slightly bigger abb zone

Since it was basically just 1 big circle or 2 around 1 or 2 pillars

Otherwise favorite map

If scorched earth was bigger id like that too

[untold ingot]

Scorched tagged south of a giant mountain range 5x 5 the size of rags mountains, and a rainforest tagged onto a huge ocean would be nice

I just want it to be a huge map. The bigger the map the better it is for multi-player lol. Even if the pve sp groups don't like big slow maps jaja

[south lance]

I think if fjordur and all its mini maps were stitched together thatd be the optimal size for the map, then just cut off most excess biomes and compensate by adding a large ocean and an abb zone

[untold ingot]

Make it big enough and hard enough to get around that alphas can't totally lock it down jaja

[south lance]

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

[untold ingot]

Honestly that is like 1/3 the size that I want it to be lol

Even if most of it looks mostly the same

[south lance]

Id also want bigger but idk if ark could handle it

[untold ingot]

The point is having room

[south lance]

I love exploring on foot but it only takes about 2 hours to explore the entire map with wing suit and an occasional grapple or 2

[untold ingot]

Ue5 is a lot better than Ue4 at that lol

[south lance]

Ok really like 4 or 5 but you can do it in 2

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they play their cards right they could design it so that there is more space in a multi-player server than an sp one

[south lance]

Hopefully ye

[untold ingot]

The longer it takes to explore the map, the easier pvp will be to build up and get stuff in

[ripe cedar]

Preformance wise client side yeah but i would still be somewhat worried about servers

[south lance]

It makes it easier to play casually

[untold ingot]

The servers will run easier depending on how efficient their code is

[south lance]

Not worrying about a single scout finding every single 1by1 on the server in an hour

[untold ingot]

Yeah, and making it so they actually have to trek across the map again would make bases safe

You could live on the same map as a mega and be just fine

[south lance]

Ye

[untold ingot]

They wouldn't have enough man power to lock a server down

[south lance]

Thatd be the biggest way of making pvp accessible outside reducing grind

[untold ingot]

Reducing grind actually doesn't make it accessible lol

[south lance]

Eh ig practically it still needs a couple other things

[untold ingot]

Wether grind is increased or decreased the mega to smaller tribe ratio of gear remains the same

[south lance]

Still would allow a bob to at even touch what ark has to offer on an official server

Oh i dont mean that the power decreases with grind, i mean theres people who never experience an ounce of what ark has cause of time commitments

[stray elm]

I don't know why you'd play on a official server for your first time, instead of playing Single-player and trying out the game.

[south lance]

Like you dont even get past bob stage cause the only obvious route to progression takes a while (you can cheese but average player doesnt care enough to find out how)

[south lance]

A lot about arks appeal to many people is the multiplayer

Since like tribes and everything

[stray elm]

Pretty sure it's the fact it's a dinosaur taming-sim.

[south lance]

Plus generally the only way most people get how the game really works is via experienced players telling them how to do X or if X is possible

I doubt most go to yt unless theyre really committed

[south lance]

Yes but a huge part of the game is tribes

[stray elm]

Right.
But we're talking within the point of mind of a new player.
Why would a new player care for stuff like tribes, when that wasn't the marketing point?

[south lance]

Im saying that theres marketing related to that

I think one of the most popular ark clips used in vids of people talking about the game is a bunch of people on raptors and a rex fighting

Generally most trailers also include multiplayer stuff

People building and raiding and whatever

[untold ingot]

Well, if people join for the pvp, then they will head to a pvp server, where they can make friends and join a tribe

[ripe cedar]

It is the first button on the main menu and people may find all of the sliders for settings a bit daunting

[untold ingot]

There should be a seperate page for changing single player settings lol

[empty grail]

When I first joined ark I saw mega tribe videos and all they're dinosaurs, so me. I was worried about tribes

[tropic crag]

Let's be real, the primary draw of Ark is the dinosaurs, full stop. In almost no other game that isn't like 10+ years old these days do you get to ride a rex, spino, allosaurs, and all the other things Ark has to offer, let alone in a survival setting

The accomplishment felt on that first rex tame was godlike

That is the draw of Ark

[mighty lion]

I mean genesis 2 is the largest map, but the use of space and lack of viable PVP base spots kind of ruined it. I did enjoy how large it was, but hopefully there will be more diversity in ark 2.

But the bigger the map, the easier it is for Bob's to build unnoticed.

[spiral kernel]

can we also have more confirmed dinos

[mortal kestrel]

I want a showcase for combat and parkour

not a big one, just like 10-20 seconds is fine

[south lance]

id like at least a minute

it cant be that bad

[stray elm]

Wish CraigBrown still could leak stuff

[mighty lion]

109 days till extra life buds

[mortal kestrel]

Im not expecting stuff that long until the game is closer to release

it would be awesome to see trailers showing off mechanics as the games release date draws near

[south lance]

Its not that long tho

[autumn frigate]

wdym

[mighty lion]

108 days until the annual wildcard extra life live stream, which we hope will have sneak peaks at ark 2. Though sneak peeks are not garunteed.

[autumn frigate]

i cant wait what date is it do you know

[mighty lion]

Should be November 5th, that's extra life's gameday

[minor prism]

What’s the most we had from that? was it x8 😂🤔

[lethal cosmos]

How doe I download ark 2

[tall badger]

go 10 years into the future and u will maybe be able to download it

[lethal cosmos]

How do I build timemachine?

[spiral kernel]

speaking of that, when is ARK 2 coming to ps4?

[onyx bone]

Probably never

[spiral kernel]

thats what it feels like

[ripe cedar]

It will not(probably) ps5 most likely, just might take a bit

[chilly osprey]

Large amounts of gravity, so black hole exposure.

[ripe cedar]

Gotta go fast

[winged dome]

Imagine discovering a way to achieve near relativistic speeds and using it to generate time dilation to play a dinosaur game sooner 😂

[dense glacier]

Sure 👀

[winged dome]

I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't do that ...

[blissful perch]

If you had tech like that surely you could skip to ark 3

Or just go back in time to actually pet a dinosaur. A far more amazing outcome

[lime forge]

The outcome is death

[blissful perch]

I’ll die 100% if I means I got to touch a dinosaur

I almost cried touching one in VR

[lime forge]

Fair enough

[mighty lion]

Time dilated zones could be a cool mechanic. Like specific areas where rates are increased

[hoary scaffold]

add sex

[untold ingot]

It's a lot easier to skip forward in time than it is to go back in time lol

[long nova]

Everything else seems like very good improvements but the souls like combat is still not sitting with me particularly well.

[stray elm]

Why not?
Conan is able to do it well. Just needed to be refined a bit more.

[lavish rain]

That's Step (shifter i forgot what number we were on)

[stray elm]

Step 69:

[lavish rain]

No it's step 13 I checked

[stray elm]

[lavish rain]

Why

[lavish rain]

Don't think it really has with anyone

[untold ingot]

It could either be really good, or really bad lol

I kind of see it as the way they are implementing crossplay. Because there is no way Xbox and Playstation can compete with pc if it is just snipers in pvp, so they add something that console can do just as well

[minor prism]

Man some people don’t want cross play at all, once that comes into play and your paired with pc players then that’s when all the cheating starts happening lol

And you ain’t ever ever stopping pc cheating 👍

[fiery wedge]

Like 99% of PC players on ark are cheaters

Especially on windows

[spiral kernel]

can they add calamites into the game

[stray elm]

If the ants come back in ARK-2. I want them to be fucking tamable.

Allow me to make a ant colony, goddamn it!!!

[spiral kernel]

also some more hadrosaurs

[untold ingot]

You think ini editing is cheating too?

[fiery wedge]

Technically it is

[untold ingot]

There are more cheaters in the windows version than the steam version for some reason

[untold ingot]

That's what I say too

[fiery wedge]

But when I say cheaters I mean bot and esp

[fiery wedge]

There's literally no anticheat on windows

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I wouldn't go so far as to say 99% cheat with bot and esp

[fiery wedge]

Yes they do

[untold ingot]

On steam it's probably closer to 1/100

[fiery wedge]

I have literally only met 1 PC player who doesn't cheat

[untold ingot]

Or even less

Well, you have sort of met me lol. I don't even do ini stuff

I did nearly get banned though, but that's just because I hit some crazy snipes jaja

[fiery wedge]

I've been told I bot because I hit 4 headshots on a suiter once lol

I'm just like, yeah yeah yeah bot on console

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's honestly pretty easy to convince people you are cheating, all you have to do is hit shots

[fiery wedge]

My mates been told he's speed hacking on a wyvern because we shadowmane buffed him and he killed a guy boosting away lol

[untold ingot]

Yeah, a lot of the hackusations I have gotten is just because people don't understand the game very well

I got told I was cheating because I had an r reaper on the island 1 hour into wipe once lol. It was really funny, but a loooot of people were mad jaja

[fiery wedge]

Bro I got spun by a dude on an Astro and he was spamming lock on shots onto players and some admin said that lock-ons target players lol

[untold ingot]

Well they used to, not anymore lol

[fiery wedge]

This was like 2 weeks ago

[untold ingot]

Yeah

But I still wouldn't go so far to say that 99% cheat lol

I really do hope the anticheat is better, and ini settings aren't accessible

[fiery wedge]

Why not? There's no anticheat and most servers have trash ass admins.

[spiral kernel]

how do you spell ark 2's planet? is it arat?

[split dove]

Yup, Arat

[spiral kernel]

k thanks

[untold ingot]

Mainly because that isn't what I have found

[fiery wedge]

Aren't you steam?

[untold ingot]

Well yeah, but the anticheat on steam isn't any better

I would say that 99% use ini, which o consider cheating, and most megas, or alphas on smalls have a pet aimbotter or two

[stable coyote]

a

[undone mason]

3rd person only 🤮

[untold ingot]

Old news, moving on

[undone mason]

yeah

[clear venture]

Would u be able to play ark 2 in first person

[blissful perch]

…no? Doesn’t it say exclusively third person?

[clear venture]

O really ?

I hope that there is gonna be a mod that’s gonna change that

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure it says so on steam. If not, i think it says so on the dev post

They said it’s a possible mod to get first person

[clear venture]

Oh thank you very much

Have a nice day

[gilded vessel]

When is year and month ark 2 going to come Ik there’s still lots of work just excited

[blissful perch]

2023. No further information

[weary viper]

So in about 8 months

[blissful perch]

I suspect Q3 release

[mighty lion]

12/31/2023 is their current deadline. If they release sooner than that, great, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[hallow wasp]

Is ark 2 out yet

[stray elm]

Bruh

Look above.

[lavish sparrow]

anyone else think ark 2 will perform worse than ark 1's performance on gen2

with the delays ark 2 is getting it better perform better

[weary viper]

Heh

They don't HAVE a chance after ark 1

[mighty lion]

Read the pins. They are optimising it to perform better with larger player builds and server loads.

[lavish sparrow]

fps wise?

Souls like combat in an open world survival game?

honestly doesnt sound like it would work

wait will there be RTX on ark 2

[mighty lion]

This is all we got atm: "Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team".

[lavish sparrow]

honestly I have a feeling wildcard are being intentionally vague

they utilized a very early version of ue4 and ark 1 was a mess

early version of ue5 now and they are being vague?

I'm not expecting much

if the game has a good RTX implementation though all my criticism dont matter im a sucker for RTX

Honestly if they are claiming to be redefining the survival genre why did they describe their combat as souls like? The combat dark souls uses shouldn't be used as a general term for a game that's trying to redefine something

[mighty lion]

Yes, they are being intionally vague

[mighty lion]

It's legit just a buzz word

[lavish sparrow]

intentionally vague as a way for building up hype and so people speculate but still

the problem with soulslike combat is dark souls games have janky mechanics

for what it is the mechanics are far from perfect

the games? sure they are very good but dark souls has a unique combat system not a perfect one

[ripe cedar]

By rtx you mean it will have good lighting?

[lavish sparrow]

no I mean RTX

Ray Tracing

[mighty lion]

They are drawing inspiration from many games. "Dark souls like" is a generalization .. it wont be a carbon copy

[lavish sparrow]

a lock on system kinda kills it for me though

no gunplay? I'm kinda a pvp player although I dont play ark 1 pvp cuz everyones toxic af

gunplay with lock on mechanics? yea no

[mighty lion]

"Fundamental advancement of lighting systems enables a more photorealistic day-night cycle, generating real-time ambient lighting & shadows within both natural and player-constructed environments!"

[lavish sparrow]

ranged weapons dont have lock on

but the ranged weapons are so janky

imagine gun mechanics in a soulslike combat setting

[mighty lion]

Toxicity is part of the charm

[ripe cedar]

Anyway if you are playing a game for the gunplay you probably shouldn’t play ark

[lavish sparrow]

good gun mechanics are something like apex legends, call of duty (as much as I hate to admit it) and battlefield games

[lavish sparrow]

I'm not playing it for the gunplay

but for me I love pvp

but I'm not a huge fan of primitive pvp

[mighty lion]

Early game PVP is fun

[lavish sparrow]

how long does it last though

[mighty lion]

Like 3 weeks

[mint swan]

Ark2SpecialEditionPlaystation plzzzzz

[lavish sparrow]

no earlygame pvp lasts like 1-2 hours

[mighty lion]

Lol

[mint swan]

[untold ingot]

Wait, primitive pvp lasts 3 weeks lol?

[lavish sparrow]

by 2 hours people have indi forge and farming tames

if they sweat

[ripe cedar]

I like melee better than ranged its just ranged weapons are super op usually in comparison in both games and real life

[lavish sparrow]

1.5 hours getting pt's and farming tames not pvping you never get a chance to pvp properly

the only pvp you get is competition for the shit you try and tame

[mighty lion]

That's still early game

[lavish sparrow]

i mean look at apex

to kill a player you usually need to empty a whole mag

[untold ingot]

I mean, if you look for it, you can find it

[lavish sparrow]

yea but theres nothing to gain

progression in ark 2 better MEAN something

so the difference between 1 hour of grinding and 2 is big

[mighty lion]

I swear if you dont read that first pin

[untold ingot]

Sure there is, making grenades takes like 3 minutes, taming an arthro is almost as easy.

[lavish sparrow]

I literally have it open

[mighty lion]

Skill tree op

[lavish sparrow]

I mean I don't think ark 2 would be better if it ended up like rust

[mighty lion]

I mean current ark grinding is insanely fast, it was definetly not that way when ark came out

[lavish sparrow]

The base concept of ark 1 is so good its just executed so poorly

[lavish sparrow]

thats because wildcard are desperate to milk ark 1 of all the money they can

so they stamp community made maps on the games marketing and release several paid dlc maps

[mighty lion]

What's the standard rate 4x original? Plus you have all the qol updates for stacking and op farm tames like the stryder?

[lavish sparrow]

OP farm tames like the stryder are obtainable from the start, theres no gap

getting tek means something, you get the engrams and thats not stopping you

[untold ingot]

Everytime I see someone say something like this I get a kick out of it lol

What are they supposed to do, give you thousands of hours of work for free?

[lavish sparrow]

no

thats not my point

They released a £15 dlc in the fucking beta

1 year before the game released

then ab and ext

I'm not saying they are bad maps and not worth the money

I mean they werent worth the money

until wildcard adjusted the pricing for everything

Wildcard has creative, talented devs

[untold ingot]

Lol, ab wasn't worth the money? It's the most popularly sold map ever

[lavish sparrow]

£15?

3 £15 maps then genesis pass for £35 originally

[mighty lion]

Abb was such a boon for tribes when it came out

[lavish sparrow]

thats £80 for DLC alone

thats as bad as cod

Abb only really serves as a farming map in pvp nowadays, half the dino's are disabled

[mighty lion]

I'd pay $140 for ark 2 plus season pass any day

[lavish sparrow]

so the best means of travel are bloodstalkers or drakes

[lavish sparrow]

seriously?

[mighty lion]

Yep

[lavish sparrow]

not everyone has that money

Just because you would pay half the price of an xbox series s doesnt mean others can

[untold ingot]

Then literally get a job lol

[lavish sparrow]

half of ark players are under 16 lol

[mighty lion]

Alot of deluxe edition Titles start at $120 and I dont play them nearly as much as ark

[mighty lion]

Current player

[lavish sparrow]

thats like saying "get a better job if you have a problem with rising gas prices"

[lavish sparrow]

thats activision + ubisoft + EA

do those companies have a good name? FUCK NO

[untold ingot]

They price the dlc at the price that it is so that they don't go bankrupt and can support their workers. If you want to play the game you gotta pay for it

[lavish sparrow]

Where have they mentioned this?

[mighty lion]

• 2k

[lavish sparrow]

They are incredibly vague about their monetization

[mighty lion]

I'm sure they made alot of money off skins too

[lavish sparrow]

Ok what I'm actually curious about is what size the ark 2 map/maps will be

[mighty lion]

Largest ever apparently

I'm hoping for 4x gen 2 size

[left arch]

We have no idea

[lavish sparrow]

because ark feels so small once you get fliers

[lavish sparrow]

Honestly even then you can cross from one side to the other in 5 mins with tek suit which you spawn with

wildcard removed any kind of purpose for most essential tames on gen2

and on top of that it made farming absolutely frickin easy, tek punch and chainsaw = slot cap of wood

[mighty lion]

It's faster just to buy wood

[lavish sparrow]

u mad?

[untold ingot]

It's basic business lol

[left arch]

I always got way more wood from an axe than a Tek punch

I like gen 2 a lot
Was a very nice little map

[lavish sparrow]

wildcard arent the size of activision though

or ubisoft

[lavish sparrow]

thats not the point

[south lance]

Tek punch is just faster also aoe

[mighty lion]

Mission cheese my friend, 2.5 mil points buys alot of wood

[untold ingot]

Yeah, which is why things cost lol

[lavish sparrow]

tek punches allow infinite travel

[lavish sparrow]

why would you waste that on wood

buy cementing paste or something actually hard to farm on offi

[mighty lion]

I mean, just buy everything

[left arch]

I never used the shop system because everything was so easy to get on gen 2

[lavish sparrow]

exactly

progression is incredibly easy

[mighty lion]

Except metal, store was way too expensive

[lavish sparrow]

getting from beach bob to alpha only takes maybe 3 days

[lavish sparrow]

yea the balancing is terrible

[mighty lion]

They wanted to do as much qol as possible

[lavish sparrow]

500 points for ele? way easier just to farm it lmao

[mighty lion]

Well that's for raids on gen 1

[lavish sparrow]

no what wildcard needs is to use the brains of at least 1 their developers when introducing features

[mighty lion]

We hope for a beta test

[lavish sparrow]

raiding on gen1? no one raids on that map way easier to raid other maps

u need skiff to raid good base spots, no flyers

tek suit pvp is fuckin boring

[mighty lion]

That's my favorite map to raid

[lavish sparrow]

I doubt people on xbox use their brains when building their auto turret bases

[left arch]

If they were trying to milk the game for everything they can they would put tons of micro transactions and battle passes in it like any other online live service game
Buy they don't
They sell extremely well priced large expansions

[lavish sparrow]

And i image they build on pillars

[left arch]

That's not nearly milking the game

[mighty lion]

That's rude

[lavish sparrow]

is it entirely wrong though? No offence but console is majority children/teens and most of them aren't the smartest of individuals

[mighty lion]

You have people who are inexperienced and are easy wipes and you have others that are more difficult like any platform

[lavish sparrow]

PC are tryhards who have 5000000 hours on the game

[mighty lion]

That's ignorant

[lavish sparrow]

I said majority

not all, I am well aware there are good reasons to buy a console and that the console community isn't devoid of intelligence

But consoles give great performance for low cost, the xbox vs ps war gives consoles more attention and theres also social status

[mighty lion]

I've definetly had more player in their 30s then below 18 in my experiences. Unless you count Bob's. Majority are in their 20s

[lavish sparrow]

people might get a console to play with their friends, to play exclusives and much more but in the end a lot of the platform are casual players or younger players

[lavish sparrow]

yea but a lot of ppl in their 30's I assume play relatively casually

god my brain aint working today

[mighty lion]

They typically neglect their children and we have to tell them their wives are more important than a videogame. So I'd say they dont consider themselves casuals

[winged dome]

I love all these broad generalizations with absolutely no data or proof 😂

[lavish sparrow]

oh lol

[mighty lion]

We've had several occasions where we had have interventions, ark is addicting.

[lavish sparrow]

It isnt my intention to insult console players

But I grew up on a console, moved to pc and same with many of my friends

PC's arent the most user friendly especially considering how much of a bloated mess windows is

[left arch]

Ark was the first game I got over 1000 hours on
Still the only

[lavish sparrow]

pc's expensive not most user friendly, console better value and easy to use
which one would you pick

[winged dome]

Doesn't matter what you *play on if you pull 'facts' out of a Phiomia's exhaust port

[lavish sparrow]

geometry dash was mine 😁

[left arch]

True culture

[lavish sparrow]

I'm making assumptions

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong with facts and figures, I dont get offended by being proven wrong

[fiery wedge]

Yeah on shit ass dedis maybe lol

[lavish sparrow]

?

[fiery wedge]

?

[left arch]

Nah consoles are definitely a bigger thing for families than PC

Majority of players on a console will be teenagers and children or their parents

[lavish sparrow]

^

In the end though console doesnt have metal gear rising so instant 0/10 for me 🙂

anyways off topic my bad

[fallow niche]

Let's not ask if others are stupid thanks

[untold ingot]

That's not really how it works lol

[fallow niche]

Plus bring it back to ark2

[lavish sparrow]

ye my bad completely forgot stuff

my brain small and dumb

[fiery wedge]

He's spouting shit that ain't true lol

[fallow niche]

No need for name calling or asking. Thanks.

Back to ark 2

[left arch]

We don't know much about ark 2 at all
You asked about map size but we don't actually know

[mighty lion]

So anyways ark2 pc and console exclusive. Better performance, bigger builds, more items, more ways to get around, primarily primitive. Regional unique resources. Base Layout system .. etc

[lavish sparrow]

Well exploration is one of the best parts about games imo

[untold ingot]

I expect it to be at least gen2 size lol

[mighty lion]

They say it's the largest canvas ever

[lavish sparrow]

I'm hoping for something that isnt easy to scale

[fallow niche]

I hope it's not island size

[lavish sparrow]

Also why arent they bringing it to playstation?

[untold ingot]

It needs to be like 8x the island size

[left arch]

It doesn't necessarily matter how big it is
Nor should it be 4x gen 2 map
It matters how a map is designed
How you get around the map
What populates it

[lavish sparrow]

isnt that literally excluding a large portion of their audience?

[mighty lion]

Founder statement said largest canvas

[untold ingot]

Because it's easier to release on Xbox, and Playstation is giving them grief

[fiery wedge]

Because PlayStation doesn't allow early access most the time

[fallow niche]

Oh where???

[mighty lion]

You are right, 8x which a variety of unique interesting regions

[lavish sparrow]

fair, sony are fucking annoying

their policies suck

[untold ingot]

I want an island sized area that is just grassland but like tall grass

[mighty lion]

Second paragraph of the actual statement : " That’s what ARK 2 is – the biggest canvas ever for primal survival experiences, a next-generation framework to play out your own survival stories."

[fiery wedge]

That'd get boring after taking 30 steps in lol

[lavish sparrow]

Honestly I dont care if its 4 times bigger or the same size as gen2 because in the end the only thing I care about is variation in the environment

if they just repeat the same environment throughout the entire map its just so boring

[fallow niche]

I can't tell if that means the map though tbh

[left arch]

We gotta be realistic here
If a map is too big
Than it becomes barren
They can't populate it with enough interesting locations or put enough care into it

[fallow niche]

Canvas could mean whole layout

[fiery wedge]

Canvas doesn't mean map? Just that it has more potential.

[lavish sparrow]

but imagine a map that big with interesting locations and tons of variety

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I really doubt it would be island size

Im personally hoping for something at least ragnarok sized at minimum, considering ue5 has a larger limit for map scale than ue4

Im also hoping arkII will have a lot of abby and crystal isle vibes to it

[mighty lion]

I'll agree that it can be a broad statement, but realistically they'll go bigger

[untold ingot]

It better be bigger than rag lol

[lavish sparrow]

Ye I hope they dont have ugly af element water shit

[fiery wedge]

Yeah, logically they would but it's still broad.

[untold ingot]

I want some realistic scale environments lol

[lavish sparrow]

also I hope the game doesnt have rendering issues related to objects rendering in front of water and fog and stuff

[left arch]

Of course it would be cool
But maps like that don't exist in games most of the time
The best maps in any open world video game are normally more compact or come from a massive studio like rockstar games with 8 years of development and 600 developers

[mortal kestrel]

Im also hoping the maps wont have noise pollution in them

loud af waterfalls, random ringing sounds with no source (Im looking at you floating islands biome in CI)

[lavish sparrow]

but red dead is more of a story driven game

its more of an rpg open world experience

I think

[mighty lion]

I'm thinking of maps that have 10 + tribes vying for supremacy. Larger maps mean it's easier to hide, less resource competition and harder to lock down a whole server

[mortal kestrel]

arkII will be somewhat story driven as well

[lavish sparrow]

I personally havent played it so I dont know

[mortal kestrel]

though probably not to the extent of red dead

[left arch]

I know
I was using it's map as an example cause its excellent

[lavish sparrow]

no npc's though

[mortal kestrel]

also arkII will also probably be an rpg

[untold ingot]

This, they need to remove cryos though

[mighty lion]

I'd say we still had small bases popping up on our gen 2 map for a month after transfer because it was so larger and people could hide.