ark-2

[pine basin]

Balancing to all platforms is even harder

[south lance]

im not sure how balancing differs on console

i never play console multiplayer

i could guess weapons that are aim dependent are superior on pc

[pine basin]

For pve it doesn’t matter much, but I think for pvp it’s harder to balance for multiple platforms.

[south lance]

but what would be imbalanced between console and pc

i hypothesize that since consoles arent as good at aiming, they should be inferior witu those weapons

but then they also often get auto aim

and idk movement wise if theres a big difference

i could imagine bugs could be problematic

[grim kestrel]

Method for cross play that has been pretty good is put a control type in the game setting which works for both console and PC. Xbox and PS have started getting the option to use mouse and keyboard.

So it would only recognize the selected input of controller or keyboard/mouse not both. And cross play is based on that setting.

[untold ingot]

If crossplay is dependent on console players using mnk, then they may as well not make it crossplay

[mint swan]

One thing I want to say from the Beginning is crossplay should be a option.Having both crossplat and non crossplat for official,not forced on to people for official!Crossplat I feel is one of those those things that sounds nice but when it comes time is going to be horrible (my opinion,I’ll try to explain without making it a console war,but rather just the focus on crossplat)….Mnk for one,obv there’s some advantages to that ..TSOTF had crossplat for abit and was removed by wildcard “for pc having unfair advantage” there words ..so why add that to ASA/ark 2? If wildcard claim pc has a unfair advantage please make it make sense🤔 on top of that some pc are able to get a lot better FPS,some people claim fps Matter a big deal ..In things like racing games it’s been proven if you have better fps you actually move quicker so some racing games have added fps limits or hardware limit/caps to make crossplat more fair ..if I’m chasing a guy in PvP and we both on the same speed wyverns it would be bullshit if a pc player could outrun the same speed tame due to a fps issue..so I expect its possible that pc may get something like a fps limit for the new arks..ini’s pc have like make grass and trees disappear.but console can’t all we get is prevviewmode…but back to just crossplat I expect more duping because of it,I expect official servers will be down a lot because of things like Xbox/win10 not getting a update on time as the rest of the systems…system related update bugs such as the one time PS legit got a update that broke there version of the game and made it to where people could shoot a fabi at metal/tek foundations and destroy them 💀imagine something like that happening for Asa crossplat (people say this won’t happen but I think it could)

[tropic crag]

Jesus

Yeah I'm fine with no crossplay but an option so we can choose who we want to play against/with would be nice

I imagine you'll still be able to toggle it in your server settings via Nitrado like we can currently

[grim kestrel]

Good lord what a 📘 but ASA will be on Xbox Series X, PS5, and PC which both have the capability to run at 60-120 fps so it comes down to people who are willing to play on a monitor for PS5 and Xbox X/S really.

Cross play in every game it implemented has always had a toggle switch that I have seen so it never forced. As well as both consoles and PC have been known to get controller or keyboard option in game settings now and days.

[harsh spear]

adding fps limit to pc wont make it more competitive because the main factor of performance is your 1% lows.

[tropic crag]

Many games force the crossplay, so uhhhh lol

[desert swallow]

I fear change

[tribal chasm]

To be honest I never really thought about it, but I am going to feel so bad if I am raiding/pvping people and they are on xbox, unable to fight back nearly as well as my PC tribe would

[hallow dome]

Hope ark 2 is good

[south lance]

performance differencrs are definitely likely to be an issue, idrk how devs will bypass that. If unsuccessful i imagine theyll abandon crossplat for officials

[south lance]

but if that aomehow doesnt end up as an issue idrk what problems arise between pc/console

[tardy spruce]

Lower fps doesn’t always cause slowdown

[mint swan]

It’s true most game do have option..but for ASA there making it sound as if officials will ONLY be crossplat. and yes I do know I’d have the option to go to dedi or SP to avoid it. But it would be nice if there had both types of Official servers and let the players choose .not forced into crossplat for official…also if things end up buggy and bad with cross it would be something to fall back on..performance issues aside that may or may not be a problem .there’s still things like a update coming out and certain systems not receiving it in time.making officials unplayable for up to a week possibly(we’ve seen this happen with win10/xbox) that might make people not want to play it as well

[tardy spruce]

I used to play on pc but now on PS and there’s not actually a big competitive difference

[tropic crag]

There isn't any difference for Ark, except for the fact that PC (particularly the Win10 version) is easier to cheat on. The usual big complaint is aim assist, which Ark does not have afaik

[desert swallow]

My kid plays fortnite on xbox and absolutely destroys most players including PC players. Don't underestimate the console peasants.

[tribal chasm]

The best pvp tribe I ever saw was guys from xbox, I know they can be skilled - absolutely.
However I may be out of touch here, are they using controllers? Or linking up a mouse/keyboard somehow

[mint swan]

Some use MnK ,you have the option

[winged dome]

Aren't the majority of Fortnite 'players' bots? 🤔

[tropic crag]

I love it when a cold war of which control scheme is better starts up, one of my favorite wastes of time

[tribal chasm]

I thought the general consensus is that for games like this, mouse/keyboard better, but then for games with uhh...idk, fighting games (Tekken/Smash bros) controllers 100%

[blissful perch]

Imo it all boils down to orthogonal movement being better for controllers and rapid pov movement being better for keyboard

[tropic crag]

Right on the first one, but the second one is hotly debated

Shifter, I mean

[winged dome]

Both can pretty easily set up a macro for cookie clicker combat

[limber vault]

hey, whats the official release date for ark 2?

[winged dome]

Late 2024 is the most up to date window

[limber vault]

okay thanks

[blissful perch]

Rapid pov from a mouse smokes a controller…not sure how that’s debatable

Micro control and flicking is also vastly superior on a mouse. I’m highly skeptical that’s essential in a game like ark, or even ark 2, but that’s imo fairly intrinsic to the hardware

[hard forum]

When are the releases dates for ark 2 guys

[graceful gorge]

.

[winged dome]

.

[south lance]

did you introduce them to ark yet

[desert swallow]

no I want my kid to grow up to be a well adjusted adult

[marble basin]

And youre letting them play fortnite

[winged dome]

As much crap as people give it, you can't deny Fortnite's success. Not my kind of game but it certainly is a lot of others'

[marble basin]

Not denying their success, but it still creates brainrot

[rancid harness]

Not any more than halo did

[pine basin]

You are doing it wrong then. No competitive FPS will lead your kids through a good path

[paper wasp]

Well you could say that for anything it’s all opinion, the way I see you can an easygoing player who wants to play for fun or someone who wants to commit to being better. Some people have that drive to be better.

[desert swallow]

Maybe, kids play mindless games. Always have, always will, Ark creates sociopathy though.

Deep down, we all know this to be true.

[marble basin]

Not denying that

[paper wasp]

Ark has single handedly given me trust issues

[south lance]

ive yet to lose empathic abilities playing ark

i must be the ubermensch

besides one dude i tek punched once ig

[paper wasp]

We all are empathetic we just don’t trust if the other person is too

Hence we strike first 💀

[south lance]

i trust them more than i trust my fps

[paper wasp]

Lol

[grim kestrel]

That the side effect of playing PvP

[south lance]

just be nice to bobs

[languid pasture]

i have a question, ark small tribes is online ?

[grim kestrel]

#ark-survival-ascended is a better place to get that answered, this is primarily for Ark 2 and ASA early discussions about what people may be looking forward to

[tame geode]

Looking forward to new release dates amirite?

It turns out Ark 2 is just a waiting sim.

[ripe cedar]

It could also turn out to be a dating sim

[winged dome]

I hope the menu music won't be an ear grating din

[stoic shadow]

is there an ARK ASA date and is it up on steam?

[winged dome]

Release window of October, no page on Steam yet

also you killed the rhymes

[stoic shadow]

It hope one could have your suviors mate to make NPC. that might be cool.

do yall think that would be cool

or would that be creepy

[ripe cedar]

I think having friendly human npcs somewhat goes against arks design of every human you run into being an actual player

[winged dome]

Is that really a design focus?

[ripe cedar]

Idk

Im just bullshitting

[winged dome]

Fair. For Ark1, it's kinda true

[ripe cedar]

I seriously doubt wildcard would add human mating though

[stoic shadow]

no shit

[winged dome]

I think it was a focus for Fallout76 or something until they started releasing expansions

[ripe cedar]

But wanted to give a reason other than keep ark characters virgins

[stoic shadow]

ark might turn into a ses pool. lol

[ripe cedar]

Sex pool

[stoic shadow]

my goodness can not even type right.

[ripe cedar]

What?

Pretty sure you meant cesspool

[stoic shadow]

🤣

[tame geode]

I think that WC actually made mating animations for all the characters including survivors. Someone had to take the time to key all of that in.

There are devkit vids of all that on youtube.

[cunning talon]

shhh

we dont speak of that

https://tenor.com/view/door-closes-closing-door-fierce-evil-look-evil-stare-gif-15984520

[grim kestrel]

Only in PvP, actually plenty of good encounters with people on PvE rather it official or unofficial.

[winged dome]

For sure, but PvP or PvE any human you see is actually another player

[ripe cedar]

Yet, you acknowledge their existence…

[tropic forge]

another CC another week of nothing

[winged dome]

That's what the community deserves 🤷

Every reveal so far has been met with hate and REEEEEs, so they don't bother showing anything anymore. It's kinda sad.

[tropic forge]

i dont think thats the case, i believe they are way over their heads in rushing ASA to meet some sort of deadline so little to none effort is put on CC

[grim kestrel]

That a perfect example of Zenar point

[tropic forge]

plus i dont think ASA will have another delay infact it will be release on oct no matter if is playable or not

[winged dome]

Calls em as I sees em

[desert swallow]

"Am I out of touch? No it's the fans who are wrong!".jpg

The moment you've turned on your fans, you've lost them. That's what's actually sad.

[blissful perch]

If your fans are being trashy, there’s no reason to bend over backwards doing what they don’t want

[desert swallow]

Counter point: Self reflection

[blissful perch]

That IS self reflection

Fans say they don’t want X -> you stop doing X

[desert swallow]

No self reflection would be asking yourself why the fans are asking that way.

Self reflection for wild card not us.

[winged dome]

By ... giving the players what they wanted? It's the community who backlashed against Ark2, wanting Ark1 but better - then we get ASA, yet the community continues to shit on every reveal and now lack of reveal

[blissful perch]

Fans for ark are toxic because the game has a built in toxic community segment

[desert swallow]

Let's say you were in Wild Card'

[blissful perch]

Fans flip flop because the fan base is large and frankly divided on what they want

[desert swallow]

's shoes wouldn't you ask why your reveals were not accepted and improve upon it?

[blissful perch]

A massive sandbox where people play in multiple (for often contradictory reasons) will do this

I would provide reveals if they generated positive attention. I would stop bothering if they did not

[desert swallow]

I would agree with you if people were complaining about a bad trailer, they literally showed a tree, bed roll, walls and a smithy, oh and stairs

[blissful perch]

especially if people don’t want to see reveals

[desert swallow]

and UE5 lighting that has been demoed endlessly in countless youtube videos

[blissful perch]

For ark 2 we had way more than that

Actual concepts of weapons for example

But it doesn’t generate any hype and people just kept complaining 🤷‍♂️. If it doesn’t generate anything positive, may as well dedicate the resources internally on the product and not bother with the early transparent communication

[desert swallow]

Community managers are not developers

[blissful perch]

In WC’s case they were

Cedric did coding for ark and doubled up as the manager

Dollie I believe is also doing double duty for the animated series and working on ark 2 game design

[desert swallow]

If that's true and that is truly how their company operates it shows why it's been this way for a few years now.

[blissful perch]

It’s been this way since launch. There was almost never a hard dedicated community manager…which is extremely common for indie studios

[desert swallow]

They aren't an indie studio anymore, haven't been for years.

[blissful perch]

As far as I can see they’re still staffed like one

[desert swallow]

yes and that is most likely the cause of a lot of their issues.

mismanagement

[blissful perch]

Certainly could be

Idk how their management structure works

[desert swallow]

Well from what you are saying their corporate heirarchy tree probably looks like the family tree from a small isolated town.

[blissful perch]

Likely. However that doesn’t change the reality that a large community and a large game often results in a drop in transparency

[desert swallow]

All I'm saying is they were faced with two choices at community backlash - do better or say nothing, they chose say nothing. Which is not going to win the fans back.

[blissful perch]

They never lost the fans in either case

The most toxic people on those threads are gonna instantly buy asa and continue to drop 8-16 hrs a day

[desert swallow]

Confidence is clearly eroding. They will drop those hours if it's good. If it's not they will be quick to drop it because of loss in confidence.

[blissful perch]

They can’t lol, they’re obsessed if not addicted. That’s the point

[desert swallow]

There have been many game IPs that have died out due to a bad sequel.

They need to nail it imo.

[blissful perch]

They need to decide if they’re dumping a large chunk of ark 1’s playerbase in Asa

Ark 2 needs to alienate some ark 1 players to succeed as a sequel, especially as it competes with asa

something has to be different enough to appeal to other people than the standard ark 1 crowd

[desert swallow]

I would think the goal of a sequel is to get all your fans to buy it.

[blissful perch]

The goal is to make similar or improved sales. It doesn’t matter who those are

[desert swallow]

Sure but your fans are the low hanging fruit

[blissful perch]

And they’re getting snatched up by ASA

if ark 2 is to be a hit, it needs to appeal elsewhere

[desert swallow]

Ark 2 will be years after ASA and can potentially ride on ASA's success

Do you know what stopped me from playing Super Mario World. Super Mario 3.

[blissful perch]

I just can’t see ark 2 retaining the same qualities as anything in ark 1 given what we already know

That will, by nature, alienate some people and bring in a group of people otherwise disinterested in ark

[desert swallow]

I think ark 2 went back to the drawing board personally. And I don't think anyone really has any clue what is happening with Ark 2

[blissful perch]

I disagree. I think it’s very clear on a high level what ark 2 will be

[tropic forge]

not back to drawing but they dont have to admit they were far from having something to sell

[blissful perch]

They were certainly far from a launch date

[tropic forge]

the problem is now for ppl waiting for ark 2 is that all hands are on ASA ence why nothing else even come up on CC

[desert swallow]

Either way, a lot can change in a years. Ark 2 is most likely being work and re-worked (at least I hope) into something great.

[tropic forge]

to be honest i believe that ark 2 as stop

for now until they get a hand whit ASA

[blissful perch]

Ark 2’s only hope is to shed some of the chaff ark 1 features like mutation stacking and broken equipment stats

[tropic forge]

to be honest i think ark 2 as nothing of ark 1 thats why they rush whit ASA

[blissful perch]

And focus on being an actual survival game that puts you in an environment that fights back while you’re playing the whole game

[blissful perch]

Certainly plausible

[tropic forge]

dont even think breeding was on the table for ark 2

[blissful perch]

I got no clue. They’ve carefully not discussed anything about that sort of thing in ark 2

[tropic forge]

but they way they give up all ark2 info so far i think the game would be something like new world but whit tames ONLY no breeding

[blissful perch]

Hmm, I see how you could think that

[tropic forge]

dungeons/missions stuff like that

[blissful perch]

But I haven’t seen any mention of a politics or faction system

[tropic forge]

yeh thats the thing, ppl when sough 3dr person only souls combat so on and start talk shit about it and was a lot and they dint have anything to show for it so long, i bet they sough it was a huge risk to show anything about ark 2 and when whit ASA

to implement stuff that will be on ark 2 and see the feeback

[blissful perch]

I mean…they showed us a ton of concept arts and information after they said 3rd person only

We saw the new fishing system, swords, concepts for some creatures, and the building/structure concept after they said 3rd person only

[tropic forge]

ho yeh but as ppl start to find out what would be ark 2 the more the news spread

[blissful perch]

Even as early as the first news about ark 2’s content people were making up weird rumors. The “singleplayer story game” one was nuts

[tropic forge]

yeh gotta thanks the baittubers for rumers

anyway i start to notice no news about ASA and the timeline is getting short ppl are starting to get "wild" and thats gonna be a problem whit the launch of ASA, i really hope they got their shit together and dont screw up the launch otherwise wc might get on serious problems

[desert swallow]

100% agree with you

[blissful perch]

I admire that statement considering it’s basically 100% certain the launch won’t be good

No MMO launch is good these days. Too many people spam join buggy servers and stuff breaks

[desert swallow]

what is with you and blaming fans other people. The companies should have their stuff together and not make buggy servers.

The statement should read, "Company X didn't do enough performance testing and QA to release a quality product much to the dismay of it's fans"

[blissful perch]

I blame consumers because they frustrate me with their insane expectations. “Do it fast” “do it cheap” “do it perfect”

[tropic forge]

i think you dont understand how ark 1 as being "forgiving" by their players so far, aint about day 1 its about all the shit ppl being dealing whit ark 1 so far happer on ASA

[blissful perch]

True that after say week 2 if the features are seen as crap that’s gg

[tropic forge]

ho crap "features" you mean new features they said they would do for ASA? you think it will be on launch?

[desert swallow]

Purchasing a quality product is not an insane expectation.

[blissful perch]

That’s not how it works now does it

[tropic forge]

gotta say after view and reading reviews of starfield i believe majority of ppl have low quality as high quality standers

[blissful perch]

Nobody actually enforces their expectations. They lap up Bethesda and COD and all sorts of stuff because what they actually want most of the time is imperfect content dropped often

[tropic forge]

well i just thought and gotta say this, if all island dinos "standard dinos" are exactly the same as ark 1 ppl gonna flip

[opal vapor]

When was the last time Ark 2 had any news

[wary trail]

When Gen2 dropped? Lol

[opal vapor]

I feel like they were talking about it more recently but ASA has become some special topic as if it's not just Ark reskinned

[rancid harness]

I think it's a special topic because it has the potential to be something more than just Ark: Survival Reskinned. There are many changes that could come to the game that could vastly improve the experience.

[opal vapor]

Then why aren't they talking about it

Or showing it? Why have they stopped showing us anything about their real new game 😂

[grim kestrel]

Besides the creatures that won from voting they have said would be added to the island, the rest are of course going to be the same dinos but they will look better being under the new engine.

The more important is it allowing them to figure out how certain things react under the new engine which will help polish Ark 2 more when it gets ready to launch.

Anyone who flips out over seeing the same dinos, I'd say let them flip out and bump them.

[lime forge]

Cause we’re a bunch of ungrateful fucks

[opal vapor]

Is that the problem?

The fishing thing was cool, but I'm pretty sure letting your publisher destroy your official server is a valid cause for disappointment across the community

[lime forge]

The publisher being Snail?

[tropic crag]

It's not even that, people in this community are just ungrateful little shitheads, simple as.

Every reveal was met with "Oh, that's it? Looks dumb anyways, probably not getting it" or "THIS ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED, WAHHH" or "wow a tree/rock/building model, lol good job" or something similar enough, not to mention they made a remake of Ark 1, something that the community literally begged them for 24/7, just to be met with more female dog-ing and complaining about it not being what they want (when you already know they're going to buy it, let's not kid ourselves here.)

It's stupid, honestly. The idiots on here that complain constantly are ruining it for the rest of us, and it sucks ass.

I wanna see more of the game(s) as much as anyone else here, possibly moreso. I'm one of the few people I know who actually has a lot of freetime and little to no obligations, so I'm sitting here waiting for the game like they are. But unlike everyone else, when it does come out I can drop everything and play the shit out of it like I did the first one, which were easily some of the best times in recent memory that I had playing video games. Anyways, I don't know where I'm going with this so thanks for coming to my ted talk I guess

[opal vapor]

I think you're mistaking my question for ASA, the ASA reveals were pretty crap considering the amount of time they predicted it would take them compared to the progress that's been shown

I'm asking about Ark 2, and I feel like if you're basing your comms strategy off of a few idiots in discord you have bigger problems lol

[tropic crag]

You were talking about Ark 1/ASA, though??? But ok, either way what I said pertains to both, so. And just to be sure, the idiots are not contained to simply discord, they follow the devs around complaining on Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, etc... Hell, they even complain in their own Survive The Ark forums, lol

[tribal chasm]

I wasn't expecting much to be released (as in info) until like a month/few weeks before the release. That's definitely long enough to have efficient hype-wait ratio

[tropic crag]

Which is the sane thing to do, but uh... yeah, already beat that horse 😅

[winged dome]

'It's not even that, people in this community are just ungrateful little shitheads, simple as.'

Aged well 😂

[opal vapor]

"ungrateful little shitheads" - people expecting fair business practice and accountability? nice

do you work for the government or something?

[winged dome]

No, you just proved his point immediately. Was funny

[untold ingot]

The fact that a reasonable expectation for Asa to be decent and different, and a concern that due to lack of information about it was completely shut down is kind of ridiculous.

Asa better be different enough to be worth the $40 that they are asking for it, at that price point it should be at least as different from ase as gen1 was from extinction. If it's not as a lot of people are rightly concerned, and it is just a re-engine then it isn't worth buying. People are concerned about that, and insulting them for it is not a great look.

[blissful perch]

Concern is one thing. Saying that a lack of explicit reveals of X or Y feature = a lack of accountability tho is a bit of a clown take. There’s nothing to purchase and thus nothing to take accountability for

completely different story if asa or ark 2 had preorders. But they don’t - so nothing can be bought and there’s not yet any contractual obligation for either party beyond trust (which…has never been very strong between WC and the community at large due to delays/whiffed promises/etc, so nothing new there)

[winged dome]

Whew, anyone else get deja vu, or are we having this conversation again?

[blissful perch]

I like to offer my two cents sometimes

[split dove]

i'm making my bidding deal at 3 cents

[winged dome]

Two and a 🍻

[tribal chasm]

I wonder if they called back old Gareth boy to write up some new music / variation for ASA

[split dove]

probably for the upcoming new ASA DLC, but i don't think any new music will be added until then

[blissful perch]

I hope so. They got him for ark 2 so I have to assume they’ll at least have thought about it

[untold ingot]

I mean, it would be one of those nice touches that would be good

[winged dome]

Some touch-ups would be nice, like actual Light/Heavy variants for Scorched, Ab, Extinction

But otherwise, don't fix what's already fire

[split dove]

wc watching Gareth making new music/osts: let him cook

[orchid stone]

haha ima bout to spend 60 dollars on a game that wouldve been 50 in a bundle

[astral token]

40*

[winged dome]

If you're paying 60, you're getting scammed

[orchid stone]

oh sick its 40 now?

[astral token]

ASA is, yes

[orchid stone]

lets gooooo

[winged dome]

Been 40 for a while. Early Adopter discount

Boy 'bout to make a big fool of himself 😂

[tropic forge]

yeh by the end of thismonth they give another two prices, one will be a change again for ASA and another for ASA+new expansion pack 🤣

[pine basin]

If they include a dodo plush, I’m in

[tropic forge]

naa those are for the extralive

altought snails could try to pull a cod and make a pre order mega pack for 200 dollar's whit random stuff for collectors

[pine basin]

200… nah… I’m good 🙂

[winged dome]

Depending on the goodies, I might. They try to pull a Bethesda with the Fo4 fiasco, no thanks

[tropic forge]

guess you guys dint read the "pre order" for a early access game 🤣 but hey since its gonna be the first in history Remaster/Remake game might as well be the first pre order early access game too 🤣

[winged dome]

There have been preorder early access before 🤔
It's called GoScamFundMe

[tropic forge]

not sure you can consider that term as pre order but now that im thinking about when you put money on that is kinda pre order a game to be build so 🤔

[winged dome]

There's also Buy-In Alpha access

[tropic forge]

that aint a pre order

thats just a extra to play sooner before others

[winged dome]

Depends how quickly the game is available for early Alpha access

[prisma acorn]

I'd buy ark remake for 100

Collectors edition

Been playing this shiz since it was only the island

[pine basin]

I have 13k hours in and wouldn’t pay that much 😂

I mean, I’m hoping ASA will be good (new engine, QOL changes, balancing work for pvp etc). BUT I’m not so confident they will succeed

Everything might change if they deliver what they’ve promised

[prisma acorn]

I'd pay 200 if they asked for it

I am gonna be paying 200

I'm buying it for my friends too

[tropic forge]

lol then ppl wander why games are crap for some time

[grim kestrel]

wonder*

[pure flame]

You're just a crazy person, go back to the asylum for the love of the Olympian Gods.

When you say 200, do you say in dollars?

[prisma acorn]

Yes'em

Cold hard usd

[harsh spear]

you do realize that snail is taking that money?

or at least a big chunk of it

id pay 100 if it frees them from snail lol

[prisma acorn]

And steam takes a chunk too. whenever you buy something, the people who made the product never get 100% of the money. Costs of doing business

[pure flame]

Bro, in my country this is a minimum wage.
Will you encourage them to charge such a price?

[pure flame]

No one cares, you published your stupid game knowing this.

now charge me for the game the price of a console in the USA and the price of a minimum wage in other countries, so you are just helping a thief who consequently prevents people from being able to buy the game.

No one would dare buy a game for 200 dollars and the company would have to lower the price if they really want SELL.

Furthermore, a large part of this money would be sent to wildcard's parent company, snail, if you know the slightest about this company you would know that all this money would go to them and they would suck the game to death.

[upbeat panther]

bruh

entertainment is a luxary item

if you cant afford it then you dont buy it its pretty simple

people defs would pay $200 for a game

[stray elm]

Entertainment is a luxury, but no game deserves to be $200 by itself.
$60 is enough to make millions to billions. And some of those products aren't even worth that price-tag.
Yes, video-games are a luxury. But artificially inflating prices doesn't make a game any more worth getting.

And while yes, video-games are extremely, and I mean extremely hard to make on a large scale. The fact that they're shipped digitally actually dwindles their pricing even more.
You can just make one product and ship it to millions, versus stuff like cars that take physical time and sometimes man labor to create on a mass scale.
Or even consoles, where they need to be physically created in the hundreds to thousands to be shipped to enough customers, versus a game that can be shipped with more or less the click of a button.

Yes, that game-developers like Wildcard rent from. Not make.
Data-centers can be used for more things then just video-games.

And even so, not all games have data centers since not all games are multiplayer.

If you can actually justify the cost for a single video-game to be $200 for the base-price of it. I'm all ears.

That wasn't the point of the topic.

Give me the cost breakdown of why a game should cost $200 to buy.

And don't deflect it.

[untold ingot]

There is no valid reason

[stray elm]

You're in the coding field, correct?
What do you think is required for a video-game to be $200 and for that to be acceptable?

Cause again, that isn't the point of the topic.
We're not talking about any 'current' games being $200. We're talking about what would justify the cost of a game costing $200.
Again, you're not getting the point.

[stray elm]

This is the original message I was commenting on.

[untold ingot]

Yeah it would be unacceptable

[stray elm]

What I'm saying, if that there's no realistic situation where a video-game should or would be worth $200 for the base-pricing of it.

[untold ingot]

The tech to make it doesn't cost that much

[stray elm]

People are already pissed some Triple-A games are going up to $70, let alone the theoretically pricing of $200. 💀

[untold ingot]

If the game had some earth shattering quality not possessed by any other game or technology ever made, than maybe.

But in the current market, the only reason for price markup is to line some rich persons pocket

[winged dome]

Making a game with a true VR experience along with all the gear would easily be a justifiable $200+

And not like crappy VR headsets, I'm talking like Full Dive technology

[lime forge]

Because it’s capitalism and people will pay it.

[stray elm]

If you can physically walk around in the game like some Ready-Player-One shit, and physically feel everything.
I actually think the equipment would still cost more then any games on that platform the game is using.

[untold ingot]

With the gear for that, sure

[untold ingot]

No, most people would not pay for it. That is also capitalism

[stray elm]

Right, and that's the topic.
No sane human would buy video-games anymore if they costed $200 for the base-price, pre-DLC and collectors-edition.

[stray elm]

Unless inflation hits hard and $200 is the equivalent of todays $60. Than video-games will become a dying hobby if the pricing went that high.

[untold ingot]

I get a kick out of people saying "that's capitalism" when talking about bad financial decisions. Like name one other monetary system that actually works lol

[vital jetty]

My biggest gripe with the $70 tag is that MOST games aren't worth the price in today's market. They're created solely as cash cows and not because they wanted to make a good game (obviously not all companies).

That on top of the fact that most sales aren't happening through discs anymore which does cut the cost down dramtically..

I understand wages go up as time progresses, but if the quality is only degrading with each game coming out, rather than remaining at bare minimum the same, why should I have to pay that higher tag lol.

[prisma acorn]

People spent 100 dollars for the collectors edition of Diablo 4 and that didn't even come with the game. You had to buy the game separately for 70 additional dollars. Also I'm talking about if they did a 200 collector edition with collectible goodies, not just the game lol

[untold ingot]

If inflation goes that high right now game devs will be beggers on the streets honestly

[stray elm]

Right, $70 isn't bad for a video-game.....

'When it's actually fucking worth it and made with everything a Triple-A team has to offer'

So yeah, like you said no game so far deserves the $70 tag.

Personally, I don't even think most games deserve the $60.

[untold ingot]

And it is 100% because of people like that that game companies in general screw over their player base. Because it's not about "how much is this worth" it's about "how much can we make people pay"

[lime forge]

Yep. That’s capitalism

[winged dome]

It's also easy to forget that despite $70+ pricetags, the time spent actually playing the game drives down the cost per hour to fractions of cents

[stray elm]

$70 USD is actually a recent tag.
Triple-A games have been normally $60 for the longest time.

[untold ingot]

No, that's corporations. It has nothing to do with the philosophy of capitalism

This happens regardless of your financial system

And because of that they will charge that much and get away with it

[winged dome]

Littered with micro transactions too

[untold ingot]

Well, cod got a wakeup call from their most recent game. They lost like half their playerbase because of stupid decisions and unfixed bugs

Tbh, I kind of expect that to happen with ark as well

[prisma acorn]

Yeah but they already made their sales and everyone who left will come back at the next game thinking it'll be different

Like every year

And every game

[untold ingot]

Don't get me started about that lol

[prisma acorn]

Is gta 6 even a thing yet? Are they not just re releasing gta 5 special anniversary goty edition?

[stray elm]

The leaked alpha footage was real

[untold ingot]

The fact that a crime simulator is so popular says loads about society, and none of it good

[stray elm]

Wait, are you really going to use what people enjoy as a 'entertainment' media to judge who we are as a society? 💀

[untold ingot]

Yes

Lol

[stray elm]

Do you also think violent video-games cause real people to do bad things?

Like, honest question

[untold ingot]

You remember that I am a science guy right?

[vital jetty]

Bg3 I'd accept as $70 (bought it EA so no idea if they went up to 70).

But that was also a non triple A studio who just loves making and playing games, go figure lmfao

[stray elm]

Yeah, and?
Is there actually studies showing to prove it right?

[untold ingot]

No, I have articles to disprove that lol

Basic psychology

[winged dome]

I think more people play GTA for the sandbox it provides than the story/planned crimes. It's about the mayhem

[stray elm]

I'd rather have an actual study than what a 70-year old man stated.

[untold ingot]

But it's also basic psychology that the community you surround yourself with molds the type of person you are.

[untold ingot]

Yeah I have those

[stray elm]

That's exactly what it's about.
It's why games like Minecraft are still popular.
Humans enjoy freedom.

[untold ingot]

The act of playing a violent video game has less of a violent effect on people than traffic

But it's the community it attracts and the toxic behavior that it promotes in it's multi-player

[stray elm]

And can they be countered by studies showing the opposite of games 'not' causing violence?

[lime forge]

I’m not sure that would be true if people playing video games online were within arms reach of each other.

[untold ingot]

I think you are misinterpreting me lol

Violent video games do not cause people to be violent

Violent communities cause people to be violent

[stray elm]

That's what I asked, and you said 'yes'

[lime forge]

Anything that causes anger and frustration causes people to be violent. Video games included.

[untold ingot]

But in gtas case, it's less the violence that's the issue, and more the lack of respect for people that is inherent in online multi-player games, especially those aimed at children

[lime forge]

The only difference is I can get pissed off and drag you out of a car, not through the internet

[stray elm]

There's also a hard difference between toxicity and violence.
You give a prisoner GTA5 and he can find it boring, as he prefers to just do the real deal.
You give a average GTA player a gun, and they'll wuss out of a real heist.
But they do breed toxicity, cause it's easier to convey your anger towards others than it is to keep it to yourself. And there's no real physical punishments on being an ass online.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, the issue with gta isn't some 1960s "video games cause violence" crap that is disproven 1829482 times over, it's the community it breeds and promotes.

I have the same issues with Facebook and twitter that I do with gta

[stray elm]

GTA is also specifically 'not' aimed at children.
It's rated-M.
Any child that gets ahold of the game either has parents that trust their child enough that they wont do anything in real life, or are just bad parents.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I try not to judge parents, but I kind of still do lol

Children's brains and psychology is not strong enough to deal with the kind of crap on the internet, and especially the kind of crap promoted by social media and multi-player games like gta

[stray elm]

Again, that's more toxicity than direct violence.
Personally, I see violence as what it means. Physical, not verbal.
Toxicity is verbal, not physical.
Again, if someone on Twitter insulted a dude and was toxic, and the insulted individual goes to their house and physically threatens them, the toxic person ain't going to do shit most of the time, cause they're not violent. (as in wanting to physically harm others)

[untold ingot]

I agree. It's not violence that is my issue. It's how accepting (even promoting) society is of absurd toxicity.

[lime forge]

Maybe you’re just sensitive

[stray elm]

Toxicity can be ignored, and with enough ignoring can be extinguished.
Violence, can't of course.

[untold ingot]

Imo it has very little place. Obviously I am not a stellar example, but that doesn't detract from it

[untold ingot]

Lol, yeah no not really

[untold ingot]

Toxicity is ignorable up to a certain point, past that point it should not be tolerated

[lime forge]

What point is that?

I need something quantifiable

[untold ingot]

I don't have an essay or study on that yet lol

But it should be too hard to do lol

[stray elm]

And that's fair.
GTA is just an anarchic game.
Honestly, I have no issue with it as long as that community stays within that game/game-studio.
That's what those developers encouraged for the past decade, this is what the results are.
As long as it doesn't bleed into anything else, it's fine.
Like Twitter and Facebook.
those are the two biggest social media platforms that have the most toxic asses on it. But they're more self-contained.

[stray elm]

Hacking a studio to get information about the next game is one step.

[untold ingot]

I mean, almost everyone actively on the internet is kind of a toxic dump of illogical opinions

[lime forge]

Yourself included?

[untold ingot]

Sending death threats to devs because of bugs in a game

[stray elm]

And to be fair, we all have those moments.
Again, it's a lot more easier to be an ass when you're not physically talking to someone.
And being an ass is one thing, it's in some peoples nature. But it's taking that toxicity to basically a Twitter level is where it's bad.

[untold ingot]

Lol, you are taking issue with what I am saying. Say what you want to say. I'm not going to bother answering that question.

[lime forge]

You just did

[untold ingot]

Yeah, 100%

[untold ingot]

Lol, sure

[stray elm]

Also, you can use this to judge or question me. But I did grow up on games like Left-4-Dead and GTA. But I personally am still a normal functioning human that doesn't act like an ass online 24:7 like most GTA players.

[untold ingot]

Come back when you have a point to make, otherwise it's kind of pointless

[lime forge]

You have so many illogical opinions it seems like you’re trying to be controversial

That’s my point

[untold ingot]

Point out the logical flaws in my opinions

[untold ingot]

I mean, sure. Doesn't mean I like it

[untold ingot]

If you have a point, make it. Because so far it just seems you don't like my stance, but don't have anything to counter it with

[lime forge]

This one right here

[untold ingot]

What about that

[pure flame]

I have an idea, what do you think we make a money vault to hire the same hacker who hacked rockstar and Microsoft with a Prime drive and a TV for hack wildcard and we finally can see what is ASA and ARK 2?
Peace would be established

bonks
(is a joke lol, and a stupid joke.)

[untold ingot]

Yeah, he wouldn't even try lol

[stray elm]

Haha, you may not wanna make jokes like that when they can be used in court, haha. : )

[untold ingot]

I am still waiting for goo to come up with where my logic is wrong lol

[pure flame]

The guy who hacked Microsoft had a temporary release from court and went to a hotel and managed to hack Rockstar in less than a day and now he's in prison, so there's nothing to do XD.

Either the US hires the hacker or Russia hires him.

[stray elm]

Anyway, I think a big thing on community toxicity is how the owners handle it.
Of course in cases like GTA where you can do anything, as long as you don't hack will breed toxicity.
But then you get situations like Left-4-Dead where the community are supportive with each other, due to the game itself breeding that supportiveness.

[pure flame]

It's not every day that someone uses a prime drive, a keyboard and a hotel television to hack in less than a day Mega companies lol.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I have never played left for dead honestly, so I couldn't say

I mean either way my stance is still kind of the same. If you are a kid, you probably shouldn't be playing public multi-player games

[stray elm]

Kind of a dead-ish game. But in the prime time of it, it was good.
Left-4-Dead is a game that encourages teamwork, and you literally 'have' to work together to survive. (with an overarching AI-director doing stuff to ease players into helping each other, and punishing players when they don't.)

[untold ingot]

Yeah, because if they did they would ruin their life. It's not for lack of capability

[untold ingot]

Honestly sounds pretty good.

But doesn't really change my stance

[pure flame]

One question, what generated this whole debate about toxicity in games after the 200 dollars discussion lol?

[untold ingot]

I get that people probably disagree with me on it. Luckily people are allowed to have their opinion, and I am allowed to ignore it unless they have pretty convincing arguments

[stray elm]

Honestly, I have no idea

[untold ingot]

This whole debate was generated from me liking to debate stuff

I mean, not really, but kind of

[winged dome]

I think someone mentioned being willing to pay more for ASA than $40

[pure flame]

Buh

[untold ingot]

I did tell them not to get me started on gta, so not really my fault

[pure flame]

U mean 200...

[winged dome]

Eventually got to that number, but yeah

[pure flame]

Bruh, Chat was dead for exactly 3 minutes.

[pure flame]

U want... OUR COMMUNISM?

[stray elm]

Damn, this channel msut be dying

[winged dome]

It's not deleted 🤔

[tropic crag]

It is on my end

Maybe I need to restart Discord, idk. I scroll up there, and the whole conversation is gone, last thing I see before 9:19 pm is Paddy's statement at 2:24 am

[winged dome]

Doink

Unless there was more

[tropic crag]

Sure enough, I can't see that, restarting real quick

Weird, discord be trippin I guess

[winged dome]

Yeah, stuff is kinda popping in and out for me too

[lime forge]

How you say no in Russian?

[winged dome]

Nyet? I think

[pure flame]

het!
WAIT YOU-
HOW YOU DENY ***OUR *** COMMUNISM???

[south lance]

its an issue with basically any pvp game that allows communities to develop in game imo

if the community develops outside the game its not as bad

[untold ingot]

Fair point

[south lance]

im not sure why, but that seems to be the case ime

like games with private rooms and stuff

ive seen so much creepy and degenerate shit come out of those rooms

in games like pubgm i dont see it as much or at least i dont remember seeing it as much

i think community servers and such are the biggest problem source for toxicity that actually affects society negatively

sure, they are also really important for actually forming healthy communities, but it also means degenerates can talk with each other and spread toxicity

plus in pvp theres the competitive aspect that can encourage mindsets that involve destroying opponents mentally which is a lot of the point of toxicity

and theres nothing devs can really do

only other players in the community

like teamkilling toxic players

or organizing hunts for them

it kinda works ime with 2 other games i used to play

[blissful perch]

I 100% agree with this. Thank you for saving me the typing lol

I also want to add that while violence in gaming doesn’t cause violent people, it does desensitize people to violence. That’s not a small issue. However, the news and the internet at large also do this damage…so idk if blaming games alone is fair

[tropic forge]

i call that bullshit, same principle whit guns, games dont make ppl violent, ppl are violent end of story, what makes gaming and internet more expose to toxicity is the simple fact theres no real consequences like irl when do go against the rules you might go to jail for it

that alone shows how we humans would be if there wasent any laws and everything was free for all, what happens online is just a tiny bit of what ppl would do if they dint have rules to follow

[blissful perch]

Experiencing death, injury, and other forms of violence at high frequency, even in the context of a fantasy setting…desensitizes you to violence. That doesn’t make you violent, it just makes you react less when you see or hear about it

The social atrophy that occurs from exclusively online social contact…and the effects of communities of those people is another entirely separate question that’s not specific to ark or any game. It’s a general thing

[south lance]

the apathy is the main societal effect

i dunno if violence itself is measurable from it

but apathy about everything seems super common in pvp gamers

[tribal chasm]

Ark PvP (outside of unofficial, arena type servers) is a war game, and inherently toxic on some level. Problems mostly occur with the little e-thug community that appears inevitably on every game when left unmoderated. Can't attack someone with legitimate means because, you will get targeted with various non-legit methods (aimbot/mesh/ddos). That's when it becomes really toxic.

The odd thing is most games have the means to easily tell this kind of thing / a single glance of their 'data' will tell them all they need to know. I don't know why they don't purge more often, hopefully in ASA/ARK2 they will be more intolerant

[south lance]

i still dunno what arks stored game data actually looks like, id hope that it isnt actually so simple to ban based on that data since the alternative is devs not really caring

like how would you know about someone meshing at a glance

[tribal chasm]

Probably the latter, but it's not just limited to Ark. Pretty much all games + lots of aspects of IRL suffer same issue.
I would like for the new games to have at least a few months of 'active' moderation though >.> shows they are serious about it

the old 'I don't care if they don't give a shit, but I would at least like for them to pretend they give a shit for a month or so'

[forest wing]

Any updates on the release date of Ark 2 or the remastered

[blissful perch]

Imo the issue for ark is that it’s a sandbox with a ton of moving parts

Ark PvP is what old minecraft PvP was before the community built managed gamemodes. Otherwise it was an anarchy sim

[grim kestrel]

ASA

ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation on Unreal Engine 5: w/Cross Play and Cross Platform Modding

The Island (Released at Launch in October)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

---

ARK 2
Coming day one to Game Pass
Console ● PC
No official release date ● Currently slated target for 2024

Cross-platform modding and next-gen tech
User-created Mods & Maps are now distributed across all platforms, including modded unofficial servers! Using Unreal Engine 5, new lighting systems enable photorealistic day-night cycle, with real-time generation of ambient lighting & shadows.

Best-in-class, third-person action
Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging! An emphasis on ‘Souls-like’ melee combat driven by player skill, with target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, and special attacks.

Dynamic alien world
Explore a mysterious world where events happen independent of your presence, and your choices to interact with these occurrences yield rewards or challenges. Hostile ‘Aratai’ hunt you riding tamed creatures, seeking to drive out human interlopers.

Rearchitected gameplay
Construct unique gear from distinct modules & materials to customize form & function. Progress on a skill tree filled with abilities, perks, & passives. Animals use dynamic pathfinding to maneuver around obstacles, and hunt by sight, sound, & smell.

(Ark 2 information come from Microsoft Xbox's website where they were given details to advertise.)

[forest wing]

ty

[stoic shadow]

sounds like WC has to clean thing up alot for ark ASA and ark 2. battle eye does not do the job.

[wild grail]

gonna put a anti cheat in the new arks?

[vital jetty]

Games of the survival Genre, as well as looter/shooter/extracting suffer from SO many cheat creators that some are able to bypass the system detecting them because they were designed well enough. You can also write the code differently than how it usually is, which will confuse the program as to not detecting it (this is a known method in hacking).

You can never truly protect against DDoS. there are ways to mitigate, and make it so if someone attempted they'd need to hit you with an EXTREME amount of Data to take you down, but it's never truly impossible. Though I believe they have stated the deal with Nitrado includes better DDoS protection, so we can hope it does just that.

That said the new coding practice they'll be implementing, and hopefully locked INI file will solve a lot of those issues.

UE5 should fix most of if not all the meshing holes, and so long as they design death barriers while creating the map, they should be better than your simple box barriers which aren't entirely efficient as we have seen, even after they implemented those.

[tribal chasm]

I am more refering to data though which is usually conclusive on it's own, but a human to verify quickly can go 'ok yeah that was defs a cheater' to avoid false positives

pattern based over time / account + ip logs etc

very few people in Ark are aimbotting for a 1-5% increase in 'skill' - unlike other FPS games where people might only slightly cheat/adjust to give a slight edge. Ark aimbotters are usually kamikaze/blatant

[vital jetty]

It isn't though. Like I said. There are ways to write the code so it doesn't become obvious, and the cheat system can't detect it because of it.

That would also mean they'd need something that track specific stats which they clearly don't have. and in an open world sandbox game like ark, there would be SO many things they need to track lol.

Just like duping can somewhat be tracked, but only to an extent, and depends on WHAT is being duped. IE tracking 5000000 stacks of element (at least before Gen Ext, Gen1 & Gen 2) was easier to tell someone was duping, as apposed to stacks of metal walls. Whereas every DINO has a unique Identifier, so when they have the same one a bunch of times..

Aimbotting only became obvious towards the end, or certain people not caring. Before, people on average would use it sparingly, or cycle between it. Or even set it to say chest piece to try and not be super obvious that they're beaming.

and one way to help with that is to NEVER let the game go on mega sale or free for a period of time, which is when the cheating issue in regards to aimbotting or extreme exploiting all of a sudden spiked tremendously.

And didn't steam relatively recently make is so changing where you live on steam doesn't give you access to SUPER cheap games? That will also help, as people won't be basically buying the game for pennies because of using VPNs lol

[lavish coral]

Wait, they won’t charge again for dlc maps? Good to hear

[split dove]

the only dlc map you will have to pay for on it's own is gonna be the new ASA exclusive one coming later on, every ASE dlc is included with the base-game for $40

[still fiber]

Will ark 2 have chef po?

[rancid harness]

Yes, bubblywums confirmed that po from Kung fu panda will be included in the ark 2 dlc "Rockwells Stovetop Stampede"

Available only on ios

[wild grail]

Is WC content with having every unofficial and official being ran by cheaters (only way you can actually compete) and the millions of exploits that don’t get fixed? Instead of cleaning the game up they add more surface area for cheaters and exploits 🤣

I’ve already come to the conclusion the new games will be the same

[blissful perch]

WC ASE officials are shutting down at the end of the month if that helps

[wild grail]

the devs are extremely lazy, that’s the real issue. They are probably out of $$ can’t blame them too much.

[worldly garden]

Oh yes so lazy that they made a game that has stood for 8 years. The nonsense that people are spewing these days. 🤣

[wild grail]

Yet they can’t fix issues that are 5 years or older? It’s only alive bc the community can make money off of servers.

But i guess adding a new dino will fix it🤣

[blissful perch]

The fix is to harshly pinch the scope of ark, which is hard to sell outside of official PvP

In ASE your choices are 1) no content for 1-2 years to fix bugs, and likely little to no content for the remainder of ark’s lifespan because of polish needs or 2) people buy and play ark as-is with more frequent content but it’s buggy

In ASA people are giving WC the chance to lead with better polish, since the scope of “new things” is smaller. But we’ll have to see

[tropic crag]

Don't try to reason with the clowns Shifter, you know this

Just like we know they're going to buy the new games anyways

Literally joined just to talk shit on a game that you know they play and are going to continue playing

Peak clown behavior

[split dove]

## addicts

[blissful perch]

Some people are just mad and need to vent - I like to give everyone a fair shake

[wild grail]

Never said I disliked the game and said the game itself is not the issue. I pushed blame on the dev team and the community, you are correct i will probably buy the new games as i really do like it. However, it is hard to deny sloppy work when u see it.

@tropic crag

[blissful perch]

Tbh the error was having official PvP as a gamemode with wildly insufficient moderation

If they weren’t gonna build the infrastructure to catch cheaters, they shouldn’t have offered the gamemode

[blissful perch]

We both know true peak clowns are the folks who blow in from incoherent town and post weird nonsense until they get banned 😂

[split dove]

🪷 ™️

[tropic crag]

Fair, but trying to 180 and say you didn't say things that you practically did as well as shit on one of the best developers in recent history takes the podium in my book. It's not WC's fault that the game has cheaters, either, so that's a delusional take at best. Any game has cheaters, Ark is just more susceptible because of it's long form persistence style of gameplay, not because the devs are lazy

And as for the sloppy work comment, what did you expect? It's an indie dev, making a game far outside their scope on account of gaining far more traction than they ever could have planned for, in today's industry. Ark turned out far better than most games released this decade, far better than the CoDs and Battlefields and other such drivel, and probably far better than anything any of us could make 😂

This is unironically one of (if not the only) scenarios where cutting the devs some slack is warranted

Actiblizzion, EA, Ubisoft? Nah, they deserve the flak, they're supposed to be pumping out quality work and not enforcing crunch culture, but they do, WC does not, and denounces MTX and crypto to boot

[split dove]

We’ll probably never do anything like microtransactions. We’re not very good at stuff like that, the free-to-play mentality. We’re good at bringing value to the game. We’re not good at micromanaging that value, trying to nickel and dime people. To us it’s too much of a distraction from developing a fun game. We just want people to always have all of that content. That said, we are thinking about, in the next few months, as the game approaches launch—we want to give people bigger experiences, not just content updates. We’ve talked about expansion packs we want to do.

For us an expansion pack is a huge thing. It’s not like, hey, here’s a couple more dinos. An expansion pack for us would be probably close to the order of magnitude of what the base game is, in a lot of ways. So we’re thinking about that. But again, when we do something like that, there will be a lot of value in that, just like there is in the base game. We’re not trying to do what some big publishers do, which is a unique position we’re in.

[tropic crag]

And honestly, I think them's some admirable words. I wish the industry could go back to like 2006-2012-ish times, when games released with enough content to be considered a game, and expansion packs/big DLCs were the norm, I loved that era for gaming

Shivering Isles for Oblivion, Borderlands 1 & 2, and the better CoDs (before it just became shovelware) like Black Ops 1 and MW2 come to mind

[rancid harness]

I'm just here for Terraria still being the best game on the planet after 12 years.

[tropic crag]

I dunno if I'd say that 😅 . I loved Terraria, but they gutted it imo after they removed all the console exclusive stuff and went even further than that and took out most of the cooler content to give us... pets. Wow.

Still a fun game, though, don't get me wrong. Certified hood classic, even

[rancid harness]

Let me just put this calamity mod here...

[tropic crag]

Lol, yeah that's on PC only, hence my issue

[rancid harness]

Rip the real struggle in gaming today

[tropic crag]

Also, not part of the base game so disqualified from the opinion of said base game

[rancid harness]

That ark 2 is working on fixing, topically

[tropic crag]

For sure, fingers crossed

I mean, Bethesda did it, of all people. I'm sure others can too

[rancid harness]

It's accessible entirely from steam. Calamity either qualifies as base content due to immediate access, or it counts as a separate game which would change my statement to Calamity is the best game on the planet.

Either way I'm here for it

[tropic crag]

It's not made by the dev, so it doesn't count imo

Is very cool though, or so I've heard

[rancid harness]

ASA is implementing cross platform mods right?

Neither was GarysMod or Half Life iirc

Yet here they are

[blissful perch]

The game being moddable is what makes it impressive - hard to credit devs for specific mods

[tropic crag]

And Gmod is considered it's own game, yes? So it has it's own thing

[blissful perch]

Terraria being so flexible? Huge W. Same for Gmod. But the actual mods themselves imo can’t be attributed to the vanilla devs

[tropic crag]

And the flexibility is considered when an opinion is formed on a game, for me

But it weighs far less than I think it seems to for me than for others, because most times I'm judging the game on it's own merits

[blissful perch]

Imo some games benefit more or less from being flexible

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[still fiber]

Yay

[wild grail]

If you want to take the easy way out and redistribute the blame, i suppose that works.

Or they shot for the money, kept the team small, and focused on what would get the most revenue. Which i have nothing against they are their own company and have no reason to answer to the fans. I applaud them.

[south lance]

we dont know what goes on in there fr

all ik is that a lot of decisions seem to cause friction between the wc devs and snail

since snail isnt used to actually keeping games alive iirc

who knows, maybe shi hai will develop some heart or smthn

since snail seems to be really shitty ill just put all the blame on them esp since theyll never see me complaining (too busy duping on official)

[pine basin]

How would you know that? They can’t say that publicly. I think people are assuming too much.

I mean, people decided snail is bad and Wc is good just because

They are both companies that need to profit from their business

People want to love Wc and its devs and decided the real evil is SG

[south lance]

its cause of rumors entirely

that i trust 100% for the narrative

[pine basin]

Yeah, I know, and that’s why I’m saying that above

[south lance]

but like the narrative isnt unfounded

[pine basin]

I don’t, TBF 😂

I believe it’s something in between

[tropic crag]

It's pretty obvious that there's some friction, seeing as how they made that statement a while back about MTX and crypto

[south lance]

unless you want to say that because something isnt concrete it cannot have happened

[tropic crag]

And, rather more obviously, Snail are very interested in that garbage

[south lance]

like several years of complaints about TEA, the mass ban, the fact that they have their own cluster separate from wc, that they suggested things that the ceo of wc shot down, etc

[pine basin]

The friction is inside WC actually, I don’t remember the name of the guy, but he’s more active on linked in and he’s probably the one more engaged on monetizing ark

[south lance]

the mtx thing i thought was from snail

[tropic crag]

It was, idk what he's on about

They're into that, and crypto, and Web3 and all that trash

It's been stated in several interviews and business thingies

[pine basin]

There’s this “WC founder” guy on linked in and he’s pretty enthusiastic about monetizing the ark franchise

[south lance]

you can do that without mtx

[pine basin]

Bald guy, don’t remember his name

[south lance]

did he want mtx?

[pine basin]

But by his words he wants microtransactions

[south lance]

huh

[tropic crag]

You're thinking of that other wacko, who afaik doesn't have much to do with WC aside from self stated affiliation

[pine basin]

I think the two against it are Jesse and Jeremy

[pine basin]

He’s one of the founders

[tropic crag]

He did suggest Ark movies though, so there's that I guess

[astral tiger]

how would microtransactions even work in a survival game

[south lance]

look at ark mobile

[astral tiger]

id rather not

[tropic crag]

They wouldn't, that's the point

[pine basin]

Ase actually had mtx

[south lance]

you provide items you need for survival in an ingame store

[pine basin]

But it was limited to 4-5 skins

The tek skins for consoles

[south lance]

in ark mobile this was almost every important item in gamr

[tropic crag]

Which you can get without buying by just spawning them in or owning the game's special edition

[pine basin]

Also, 99% of the unnoficial servers have mtx

[astral tiger]

yeee but that isnt wildcard

[south lance]

including imprint boosters, turrets with infinite ammo, ability to buy structures and foods in general,and some weapons with infinite ammo

a 2hko club equivalent that everyone ran and made flyer pvp really annoying

[pine basin]

I know, but you questioned how it would work on a survival game, i just pointed out it already works in some way 😂

[tropic crag]

Ark mobile is after all a mobile game, so that's expected

[south lance]

they didnt always have all the things i listed

it got progressively worse over tjme

pay to transfer, pay to resurrect dinos, or watch ads for either

[tropic crag]

...Because it's a mobile game

[astral tiger]

tbh if they made ark pay to win like that most people would probably quit

[south lance]

i dont think mobile games have that mecessity to degenerate into p2w

[pine basin]

They wouldn’t. Most of the player base is on unnofficial

[tropic crag]

Yes they do lol, mobile games are a scourge

[south lance]

ark mobile was perfectly fine playing as f2p for the first 2 years

[pine basin]

And most unnofficials run in game stores that you have to pay real money to get credits

[tropic crag]

*some

[south lance]

yes, you could still "p2w" but thats like saying story dlc is p2w

[tropic crag]

Not most

[south lance]

it wasnt ever necessary

arguably less so than even said story dlc in this game

[astral tiger]

yes but the charm of it is that you buy boosts on a unnoffial server with the idea that it supports the server and that its yk unnofficial it would be pretty different if it was a part of official or single player where the money just goes to wc

[pine basin]

I will rephrase it, most servers I’ve played have in game stores where you have to pay real money to get credits

[tropic crag]

I'm not going to go on a mobile game rant again

[pine basin]

Also, you can pay to get white listed

[tropic crag]

Then I'm sorry for you and the servers you chose

[south lance]

the issue is the biggest unofficials all have that problem

[tropic crag]

There's plenty that don't do that

[south lance]

you can find a 10 person unof with no mtx but the unofficials that get 200-500 players all have mtx

[pine basin]

Nah, I’m fine. I won’t pay for it, but the stores are there for the ones that want to pay. And believe me, they actually pay.

[astral tiger]

ye bc those servers arent free to run so they try to make some money with them

[pine basin]

People can also get credits by just playing and selling stuff to people that actually pay for the credits

[south lance]

ya

[pine basin]

Im not saying it is good or bad, just saying people won’t stop playing because of MTX

[tropic crag]

Sure, they usually take donations to keep the cluster running, but most unofficials out there don't have p2w like you donate and get a "free" level 1000 griffin

[south lance]

you can buy starter kits on all but outright p2w isnt as common

otherwise people would just play official and use player market

[astral tiger]

a lot of people would. ofc not everyone but a lot still wouldnt want to play with mtx especially on smth like single player or private servers

[south lance]

(where you literally do this)

there are ebay offers atm for eggs on console lmao

[tropic crag]

Whe

[south lance]

50 dollars for eggs

wyvern and giga

[tropic crag]

Oh, I was confused what the reply was for

[south lance]

theres technically more p2w on official than the bigger unofficials because of that market

[tropic crag]

That's rmt and is illegal and therefore should not be counted 🙂

[south lance]

ye but in practice its huge

[pine basin]

I wouldn’t be so sure. Seeing a lot of people paying for capped bps and capped creatures, I think people would still play.

[tropic crag]

Sure, but so is hacking

[pine basin]

Some would think it’s bad business etc. But the majority would still play it.

[south lance]

ya

idk how big purchasable hacks are

[astral tiger]

yes like i said not everyone would quit but a lot would theres just a lot of people that either dont have the money for it or just dont want to spend it on ark

[tropic crag]

Not gonna count hackers that bought their hacks as p2w transactions LMAO

[south lance]

ik on ark mobile some kid who knew programming made a couple thousand off hacks

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s what I think

[tropic crag]

Nor rmt, because that's unfair

[blissful perch]

But we all agree that’s not a monetization practice a developer can use

[south lance]

yeah, but without any attempt at significantly reducing it, its gonna feel the same playing said game as a real p2w game

[pine basin]

TBF, a lot of people already quit for several reasons, and there’s no mtx in ASE. Give or take, thinks would move pretty much the same

[south lance]

and the problem is that devs can probably get into all the bigger trading discords if they had the time

[astral tiger]

it does sound like smth ea would do tho selling people hacks to ban them so they have to buy a new account lol

[south lance]

i think the issue is theres no time to go after this trading

[tropic crag]

Because there's no moderation, sure

[pine basin]

Yeah, apparently people fail to see it’s already the reality of things for a while in ASE

[tropic crag]

Or at least not nearly enough

[south lance]

i mean the team in general is pretty small iirc

[pine basin]

It’s just the money doesn’t go to WC

[south lance]

its the worst form of p2w xd

[pine basin]

I’ve seen people selling bases/map spots 😂

[south lance]

but ut does mean some poor third worlder who plays ark can unironically make a living off it

base spots can go for like 5k

thats like annual salary in bangladesh maybe xd

[pine basin]

Or more… 😂

[astral tiger]

you gotta have some sort of brain damage if you actually buy that

[south lance]

people who play ark usually dont care

[pine basin]

You just have to have deep pockets

[tropic crag]

We all have, doesn't make it less against the rules (or less likely to be enforced in the next few games)

[south lance]

its like buying a collection of cars

[tropic crag]

In response to this

[astral tiger]

deep pockets... and brain damage

[tropic crag]

That's their secret, Cap

[pine basin]

People pay hundreds of thousands for a CS GO skin

[south lance]

i think anyone who can spare 10 hours a day on a game has the illness

[tropic crag]

Or just a really good job

[south lance]

see this is even worse cause at least the base spot can be played on

imo

[south lance]

cs remote jobs are crazy rn

[tropic crag]

The skin can be used ingame, really no different

Still cringe af though

[astral tiger]

ye but cs go skins are at this point basicly just like nfts and crypto

[south lance]

people had like 5 jobs together cause remote work offers the flexibility and you can do a half assed coding job

idk if thays still a thing since lockdowns essentially over

[pine basin]

I mean… I don’t know… for real. I don’t like to judge people on how they spend their money. I would not pay for things like that. I’d rather spend my money on other stuff. But you do you.

[south lance]

but rwmote jobs are probably still huge i think

[astral tiger]

oh i just love judging people

[tropic crag]

They are, at least here on the west coast

You know, where covid started in the US lol

[pine basin]

I think they will just be more important in the future

[south lance]

ider how that timeline played out

[grim kestrel]

Honestly the same could be said for people that make judgements about how people should live life probably have an illness.

[astral tiger]

you should drink more water

[south lance]

i just remember no school after March, a year of nothing needed to do, and then being forced back to school cause i didnt attend class online, and masks until 2022

and the toilet paper debacle

[tropic crag]

...And the gas in plastic bags, and the riots

[grim kestrel]

Interesting how you make a statement when you have no clue who I am or what I do.

[south lance]

oh yeah the riots existed

[astral tiger]

yes, that was the joke

[south lance]

there was also the cali forest fires

deep red sky

i wanna see that but id need to cause a massive wildfire first

[grim kestrel]

It would seem your discord name fits you with the post I have watched you make.

[south lance]

only saw an orange sun once in oregon

[tropic crag]

Honestly, Cali is always doing some shit, burning and ruining our air quality, coming up here and changing our laws, etc etc

[blissful perch]

It’s weird. Almost looks like a video game setting with how surreal it is

[pine basin]

See, this up there is more concerning than people selling base spots

[astral tiger]

is loony a insult in your language or smth?

[south lance]

i want to see that so bad bruh

[tropic crag]

It's cool, but then you start coughing and it's not cool any more

[grim kestrel]

Not at all

[south lance]

fair enough lol

[grim kestrel]

If I have to explain it, then it not worth it

[tropic crag]

You two, hush hush

Get a room maybe

[pine basin]

Back to topic

Ark 2 when?

[south lance]

the mods arent here yet so its fine

talk about politics or social issues

[grim kestrel]

Slated target is 2024

[astral tiger]

2077

[pine basin]

I was just kidding 😂

[tropic crag]

That was sarcasm, Joe 🤦‍♂️

Don't be so serious all the time

[south lance]

there is some realistic fiction setting where nuclear wildfires causes year round red sky across the world

metal asf

[grim kestrel]

#general is more suited for casual chatting

[south lance]

general is to complain about bugs

ark2 chat is for complaining about bugs when nobody in general responds

[pine basin]

I mean, the red skies would be the least of my concerns in that situation

[south lance]

and talking about wildfires

[south lance]

its entirely aesthetic consideration since this is literally apocalypse

[pine basin]

But it would be nice to have an ark dlc set just after the “big war”

[south lance]

what would burning element look like 🤔

[astral tiger]

ye true but there wouldnt be much to tame lol

[south lance]

thered be lots of mutated creatures because they need something for us to do

like corrupted creatures

[pine basin]

It would be extinction with steroids. For the good and for the bad

[astral tiger]

i imagine it would be a bit like burning magnesium lol

[pine basin]

Nah, just like extinction, it would have

[astral tiger]

ye but the creatures wouldnt be cloned yet

[south lance]

actually isnt the flame from tek suit burning element

or is that element just causing combustion of air somehow cause magic

[astral tiger]

my ark lore is rusty but why would there be dinos and stuff before the creation and need of creating the arks

[south lance]

idr the thermal properties of element

[pine basin]

Im pretty sure the lore is full of gaps

[south lance]

idr the timeline of ark development

[pine basin]

They never really explained everything

[south lance]

theres proto arks

and i doubt they could build much if the entire world was destroyed

[pine basin]

Hence why I was a bit optimistic about the animated series

[south lance]

the animated series will be canon if its good

[pine basin]

The entire world wouldn’t be destroyed

Some stuff would be savaged

[astral tiger]

ig the world kinda died off very slowly with the creation of arks happening inbetween

[south lance]

but how eould you launch a gen ship and a bunch of arks post war

[pine basin]

The planet would be “dead” but the tech and knowledge would still be there I guess

[pine basin]

Just like they did

[pine basin]

Hopefully

[astral tiger]

by building them and launching them into space ig

[pine basin]

They should focus on filling in the gaps of the lore

I guess they never said anything about colonies on other planets, did they?

They can always say there were colonies on Mars already, idk

[south lance]

arent there a lot of bits of info from hlna

[pine basin]

Hence why I think they should use the animated series to enlighten us

[south lance]

there was a huge amount of thungs i saw from tje wiki about random history

i dont wanna read all that again

[pine basin]

And there’s a lot of things in wiki that aren’t curated

[south lance]

but ye i hope the series provides a more cohesive and concise version

[pine basin]

The series would be an “from the devs mouths” story

But back on topic, what do you think about the fact they will still take a whole year to finish ASA lore wise?

I’d expect to at least to get the whole lore (aka dlcs) within a couple of months, not a year ☠️

[south lance]

honestly i dont think the lore was ever more than a creative guide

so i dknt think the developmental delays are a big deal for it

[pine basin]

I mean, the island isn’t my favorite map. It was nice back in 2015. Unless they are really planing a huge “rebalancing”, I don’t think I would spend a lot of time in ASA

The island in ASA with tek stuff isn’t really defying

[south lance]

i reread your message and am figuring i misunderstood what you meant, i also dont like island and wirh lack of transfers it makes wanting to play asa any time before like, ragnarok release seem a lot less enticing

they better have a shitton of servers at launch

[south lance]

does this include the latest new dlc top

[pine basin]

Isn’t the dlc coming 2024™️?

Next month we will just get The Island, then later this year scorched and so on, right?

[south lance]

ya

but you said over the course of a year

so like late 2023 to late 2024

[pine basin]

Yeah, I was expecting to get everything ASE related day one, you know what I mean?

[south lance]

ya

[pine basin]

And the new dlc being a 2024 thing wouldn’t be an issue to me

[south lance]

im excited for that kinda

i dont wanna play early on but i hope the devs rework a lot of things

not the dlc, the year long slow release

thisll be a chance for the devs to work out power creeping and maybe change a bunch of mechanica

since theyll now see what the game actually looks like with or without features since now the bugs arent an issue

[pine basin]

My biggest concern is they will repeat their failed recipe of balancing the game on the fly

[south lance]

and they have actionable hindsight

thats most likely tbf

[pine basin]

Releasing new content and having to balance everything afterwards

[south lance]

but theres a chance now that never existed to set the game up differently

since theres no progress to worry about, no old hard/software to tame

the limit is probably removing creatures

some maps have too many creatures that upend the game

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s another sensitive topic to me, some creatures not being there 😂

[south lance]

like fjordhawk shouldnt exist

imo

[pine basin]

I don’t care about this specifically

But what about the giga or carchar?

Or manas? Or shadows?

[south lance]

carchar probably shouldnt exist either but one or the other is somewhat integral to having some sort of meatrun dino

idk how else youd kill everything wuickly

rhino?

[south lance]

manas are weird

idrk much about them tho

only cases where you see them they are near level cap

true of other dinos, but i think mana actually needs to be significantly bred to be useful iirc

[pine basin]

Just as an example of mid tier creatures

[south lance]

the easiest balance solution wiuld be to just remove everything after abb i think lol

rebuild from there onwards

did people have any issues with balance back then?

i think back then the biggest issue was exploits

thats what i read whenever i see old forums, videos, reddit posts, and people who quit back then

but even now the only complaints i see from the majority is about exploits

[pine basin]

Im all in for a new balanced game, but past history of Wildcard makes me think their big changes are followed by disasters

[south lance]

and i dont think anyone thinks modern meta is good or balanced

[pine basin]

Im concerned they will rebalance the game on the fly AGAIN

[south lance]

i mean any balancing they do will be on the fly to some extent

but yeah i dont think they have a rebalance plan rn

besides testing the game witjout cryos

but like, you nee r the rest of the maps to really kn9w

[pine basin]

That’s another doubt I have, will asa have those? Day one? I’m not sure lol

[south lance]

i think dollie mentioned something about not having cryos at least until scorched?

[pine basin]

I didn’t see that, but it’s interesting

[winged dome]

Transfers yeah, I don't think anything has been said about Cryos yet

[south lance]

fuck

[pine basin]

Mmmm makes more sense

I saw them talking about no transfers for a while within new maps

[south lance]

yeah i dojt see anything about cryos from dollie in msg history rxcept that they are good for performance

the no transfers thing is gonna be really bad imo

[pine basin]

I mean, there other ways to keep the performance gains, without cryos, and without having all the cons of cryos

People already gave here, exhaustively, examples on what to implement the gains without the pains lol

Cryos hurt a lot the game imo

[south lance]

id be fine with the cryofridge remade as a structure that just stores dinos but you have to get said dino close to it first

so no pocket tames anymore

but no clutter either

[tribal chasm]

that would be fun IMO, at least until later xpacks

[pine basin]

Yeah, just like the transmitters work, but without the cooldown

[south lance]

also people still have massive breeding set ups with hundreds of dinos so idrk if cryos are super effective besides allowing people to keep more dinos

[pine basin]

Unnos usually limit the amount of Dinos one tribe can have on the ground

[south lance]

for performance i mean

[pine basin]

Like 100-200

[south lance]

yeah but i think base size already limits that by itself

theres a few caves with too much space ye but i dont think most can store several thousand dinos

did that used to be a thing before cryos?

[pine basin]

I mean, they could implement breeding inside the “new fridges”

[south lance]

that could be a thing too

since you just need to manipulate numbers

[pine basin]

Just cut the super op stuff we have with mods

Make it possible to breed inside, but not automatically

[south lance]

i dont trust the mods yet until i see them in game

i really want to see what the modders have been up to besides porting ase mods

they have been working on that right or do they need to do all that work post launch

[south lance]

sure ya

[pine basin]

I mean, for the base game. They could use some of the mods as a base. Just cut off the op stuff

[south lance]

tho i dont think thatll change much since people can essily just set a timer and wait

if you could only mate 2 dinos at a time in this system thatd also be somewhat balanced

[pine basin]

With mods you have auto breeding, mutations etc. cut all those off and we would be good

[south lance]

if you could mate your best male with all females breeding would be broken xd

1 to 80 females every what, 24 hours?

[pine basin]

That’s not really necessary, because we can breed 100s of females at the same time already

[south lance]

i didnt think the space allowed that

ig you could clone males tho

[pine basin]

Just keep the cool down and make it manual

[south lance]

but still thats a lot of space

like how do you set up for large dinos

[pine basin]

The need for space is just to make it harder for no reason IMO

[south lance]

its a balancing thing kinda

apprently it doesnt really work tho

[pine basin]

a machine that breeds creatures inside wouldnt hurt the game and help with performance

[south lance]

i thought max you could do st a time is like 10-20 per male

[tribal chasm]

Game design and balance, often things are intentionally hard to filter...like
imagine someone saying 'gees farming metal is so needlessly difficult' but then, otherwise, everyone has infinite eco

[pine basin]

The same machine. Just make the large Dinos use more slots

[south lance]

no i mean rn

like how do you currently mass breed gigas

from scratch

[pine basin]

But the game shouldn’t be a second job lol

It’s ok to be a bit easier

That’s why buffed servers are more popular

They could focus on more interesting mechanics

[tribal chasm]

they are popular for a week then die off because it loses purpose quick

[pine basin]

Rather than making breeding simulation or grinding simulation the main focus of the game

[pine basin]

They don’t, actually

[south lance]

i dunno if rates are super important

[pine basin]

At least not the pve servers

[south lance]

most servers last as long as it takes for people to get set up in bigger caves

[pine basin]

I know some that don’t see a wipe since gen 2

[pine basin]

That’s right for pvp

But I’m pretty sure most players aren’t playing pvp or official pvp

[grim kestrel]

Wouldn't say making the game easier is a solution. Both have their playerbase preference. There are people who like the grind of official, then there people who look for certain rates in unofficial.

[south lance]

its majority pve and solo but pvp is like 30-40% i think based on hearsay

[pine basin]

Not easier, but not focusing on breeding and grinding

Breeding and grinding should be secondary task, not so important and that shouldn’t take this much time

[south lance]

they should make pve a significant enough threat to give something for pve players to do

random alpha titan spawn on the map that levels everything unless defeated xd

[grim kestrel]

On a side effect of that is what keeps a balance. If just breeding and resource grinding was eased on, then the already mega tribes would just rise even faster than they do now.

[south lance]

atm they are basically as strong as they could be with the current population on offi as loe as it is

i think its been that way for years

even tho apparently everyone has done a 1v 200 base defense against a megatribe

[grim kestrel]

I don't play PvP and can see how making it reduced really wouldn't solve anything. It would be the same just more built up but you would still be just a vulunerable as you were

[south lance]

i think reduced breeding only means that people with under 4 hours a day can actually engage with combat without asking around for a kit across multiple servers in game or trying to find a tribe that doesnt self destruct or decay in a few days

[grim kestrel]

And reduced breeding means bigger tribes can do several times more than they could before. Hence keeping it more the same.

[south lance]

thats fine

the issue is needing to first join a big tribe in order to play the game

or being in a dedicated group that cares about grinding

which is hard, i know people that spent months looking for one

that means you essentially arent able to play the game for months on end

like sure you can fill quotas, but nobody goes to pvp to fill quotas lol

they go to pvp to fight

even one decent fight a week is sometimes more than you can get when stuck in the beginning stages of finding tribes

unless you want to just tame crystal wyverns and 1v5 on ragnarok with it

[tribal chasm]

Does Rust or anything ever have the same problem where uhh, a server is all 1 group

[south lance]

there are alphas in rust but idk if the situation is like what you mention

[pine basin]

Exactly, one of the things from Ark 2 they should implement on ASA is the pve threat

Being threatened by pve mechanics can be more interesting than hours and hours breeding and grinding

[south lance]

thats the problem with pvp atm

the actual game is still 80-90% pve grind

even worse than pve arguably since you cant even build anything cool

just endless turret walls and teleporters

[pine basin]

They should change it, grinding and breeding is boring af

Or at least change the mechanics for those

Ark is too much a clicking simulator on a second thought 😂

[south lance]

i literally burned through like 4 podcasts playing ark on weekends before my base decayed cause it was too boring to keep going

[pine basin]

90% of the time we are collecting resources or inside a base doing something really boring like crafting or breeding

[tribal chasm]

The problem I see is that PvE is not really about PvE, it's more playing 'peacefully'

[south lance]

i think most pve players would love to have something to figjt

i think the biggest cause for ark being mostly pve is that pvp has too much of a time commitment attached

which is why offlining is a common complaint

you can circumvent that by being with a lot of people, but even then youll have larger quotas to fill

you cant really save time in any case outside of being lucky with a decent tribe

a lot of people who play pve now used to do pvp early on

now they play fps separately and ark as a solo game

[tribal chasm]

Let's say it's 2017 and tek turrets just came out;
the opponent has a small turret tower with a few tek turrets/regular turrets.
To raid that tower without meshing, or an abusive-platform saddle build, you need to overcome a lot of hurdles.
Trike with a carefully positioned head placement, or a paracer with A LOT of vegetable cakes (cost investment)

and having to bring the dinos in the first place, etc. It acts as a natural defence mechanism due to filters (not tedium)

as opposed to nowadays when you can 0 iq soak all turrets with a stego*, infinite heal, passive xp is so fast you can auto-level dinos for 60 levels, expensive saddles are not expensive anymore...so you can get offlined at any moment

[pine basin]

I like a lot pvp, but lately I don’t have the time anymore to be dedicated to ark pvp, so I was really looking forward for the new pve mechanics of ark 2

The SHOULD try to implement it on ASA

not the aratai, but some kind of AI tribes

I don’t know

[vital jetty]

This just in, they're gonna implement it -- new release date 2028

[south lance]

thats true but idk if the trike soaking is significantly harder such that offlining is much worse now

and idk if offlining is really the issue for people

[pine basin]

Sad but true

[south lance]

i think its just that if you do get offlined that so many hours only to be halfway able to do anything you want

and to restart you have to spend again as many hours, and likely way more

and to prevent offlining you need to trust whoever is on your off hours

[vital jetty]

It's not as big an issue if they lower the mut limit to 40, 20 on each side.

Not the perfect fix to the breeding issues, but SIGNIFICANTLY lowers the ceiling that currently exists

[tribal chasm]

true they might 'fix' that in ASA, that will be quite the game changer

[south lance]

i could probably solo cap wyverns over the course of a few months playing only weekends if the mutation cap was fixed

[vital jetty]

and it helps with both the issue of New players not being able to catch up as quickly, as well as raiding taking more skill over afk soaking

[south lance]

which afaik is all you really need atm with current meta lol

[pine basin]

I know you think Ark is a tribes/teams but most people play alone or in duos

[south lance]

idk why lightning wyverns seem to have always been meta

idk any time where they werent

[blissful perch]

It would be a big deal to cut down mutations for sure

[south lance]

they might need a nerf

[vital jetty]

Most do not play solo or duo. Stop capping.

[pine basin]

Im not so sure limiting mutations would help those to do bosses

[blissful perch]

(No bias)

[south lance]

the people who play solo or duo quit very fast

[vital jetty]

and it's not a "think", the devs literally want you to play as a tribe lmao

[blissful perch]

Simply nerf bosses - since the alpha levels were made with capping in mind

especially alpha master controller

[pine basin]

I would more interested in changing the meta, new ways of doing boss fights

[south lance]

if you change the game, population demographics may change in step, and the general trend i see with sandbox pvp is groups of like 1-10 being the majority

[vital jetty]

A lot of bosses are still easy to kill with game knowledge, save for a few. I'd be fine if they kept alphas as hard as they are, just to see IF it can be done lol

[pine basin]

But that would be too much of a change for ASA I guess

[blissful perch]

Agree. That’s prolly ark 2 talk sadly. I doubt ark 1 fights are getting changed

[south lance]

in ark i imagine a lot of those groups just arent really allowed to survive unless they get good or become bigger

(join tribe or recruit more)

[pine basin]

Yeah, I do think so

[blissful perch]

I’m down for stuff like island, but Gen 1? I haven’t seen it with any success unless you’re well into stacked lines

[vital jetty]

Never did Gen 1 on main, only smalls where it's easier, but you could still "cheese" it with reapers/basilisks being buried that took the aggro of all the PvE.

[tribal chasm]

wait it's easier on smalls?

[vital jetty]

iirc they made bosses easier due to smaller group numbers

[tribal chasm]

didn't feel like that when I played, for any boss. I was on-off playing since the start of Steam PC smalls

[vital jetty]

I remember getting alpha gen 1 early on, while main servers with FAR better dinos and more players were getting rekt, unable to do it lol

[tribal chasm]

some bosses are harder with more players due to the adds, I think Rockwell Alpha is an example somewhat (more of those weird purple explosion balls come out)

or maybe it's just Gen1 that does scale, WHO CAN VERIFY 😦

[vital jetty]

Wouldn't think it would matter on Gen 1 though. God tier rhinos with a crap ton of people to insta kill everthing, as apposed to smalls lol. Could be entirely wrong though.

[vital jetty]

I can't see anything in the CC's around the time of Smalls being implemented that they did, so maybe they were just super bad lmao

[tribal chasm]

to be fair I never did the boss on smalls aside from with mutated rhinos, and the vids I did see 'winning' during gen1 launch were using buried dinos to cheese the boss

[vital jetty]

You could do it w/o burying, it just made it easier. My first time getting alpha done was only rhinos

Oh I guess you did say "launched".

Yeah, those people basically cheated, you could xfer over with reapers which wasn't intended, then the Devs made it so you couldn't do that anymore, giving them a ridiculous advantage until actual xfers were allowed lol

[junior wing]

Alpha Mc can be done SOLO ! 😄

[tropic crag]

If you're cheap, sure. If you're doing it legit? Not a chance

[untold ingot]

Skill issue

[stray elm]

Alpha MC can be done solo legit, but it's very, very hard.

If I recall right, alpha MC is the only boss to only increase health with difficulties.
Gamma is as hard as Alpha, cause the minions are going to be what kills you. The MC just has more health that you can shred threw quickly if you have a tek-rifle.
Basically, it's just a tad bit longer of a fight.

[floral fiber]

Is arkpoc in ASA? I don’t want to hop on an official server and be like the only guy not in a 50 person tribe…

[lime forge]

I would imagine it will be. It’s one of their most popular clusters

[odd holly]

any news regarding asa date or is it still in the dark for oct

[lime forge]

Still October

[manic panther]

How do you not get overwhelmed by spawning dinos

[lime forge]

Keep moving

[stray elm]

Don't be bad

[tropic crag]

It's not even that, your dinos all die to bleed before you even get to the last phase of the last form, that's why it's impossible solo

You need to have people feeding antidotes to the other tames, i.e. the other tames need to be ridden

Unless you cheese or glitch, or can hop between dinos unattacked, which isn't going to happen

[blissful perch]

I’m sure it’s possible solo, but it’s likely not possible solo without mutations

[runic nebula]

When does the animated series release?