ark-2

[tropic crag]

Most modern games that aren't designed to be hard and arduous have simple and short tutorials for new things you haven't encountered yet, I don't see why Ark should be any different

They usually have that little toggle in the options to turn it off or reset the tutorials so they pop up again, too

And I know it's not the same genre (so don't go rabid about it, please), but Baldur's Gate 3 handles this exact feature quite well. I think Ark would benefit very much from a similar thing, if only to explain the mechanics that can't be inferred by the context or aren't readily apparent

[rancid harness]

Lol Baldur's Gate 3 is a whole other can of worms.

Amazing game, but very unfriendly to newcomers if you don't have previous experience with Divinity Original Sin 2, or DnD5e

[winged dome]

Baulder's Gate is pretty well established as 'DnD, the videogame'

[rancid harness]

It literally is

No establishing necessary

But BG3 is a complex situation

Because it's Divinity 3 with a DnD skin on it.

Did you play Div2?

Cool, so you're able to see all the very well repurposed Div2 mechanics?

My biggest annoyance is the prone condition, which doesn't confer disadvantage to ranged attacks like in 5e, and there being no option to go prone.

No cover system like in DnD either

[tropic crag]

Using the same engine ≠ it being a different game than what is written on the box, lmao

[rancid harness]

Ignoring the engine underneath the game doesn't invalidate the claim lol, it just makes you look ignorant.

[tropic crag]

Really quickly wanted to address this as well, that's the thing; Dark and Darker's mechanics are all investigable and easy to figure out on your own, some of the harder taming methods and mechanics of Ark (like how to toggle attachments on guns, or zoom the tek rifle scope) are not explained or intuitive enough to discover on your own whatsoever.

[tropic crag]

There's no proper duck and cover system, but being behind things does reduce your chances to get hit, so it's essentially the same thing if we're being real

[rancid harness]

Lol what do you mean "let them"? Do you think they asked to make a DnD game? Quite the opposite, they were approached by Wizards and asked to make one because Div2 was successful.

[rancid harness]

Nah, it's just full or zero cover

They factor in high and low ground, so that's sort of the same

[tropic crag]

That's verifiably false

[rancid harness]

But you cant crouch behind something for partial cover

Verify my falseness please

[potent hull]

I think lobster dino look good and i hop when you kill it it drop lobster meat not just meat

[tropic crag]

I played for several hours last night, and had a lower chance to hit on creatures standing behind a small box than I did on one in the open (at the exact same distance apart) 🤷‍♂️

[split dove]

we don't need the tf2 uberchage ripoff lobster Blades

[potent hull]

for asa

[tropic crag]

Don't know how else I can tell ya

Just because it doesn't have a UI or a button press to go into it doesn't mean it isn't there is all, it's just contextual and automatic afaik

Either way, I don't know why people seem to go feral nowadays when ya mention BG3 lol 😅

[rancid harness]

They approached them with DOS1 lol

Then they proved they could make incredible experiences and Wizards came back and were like "hey we would really like it if you could make a thing"

When I call it Divinity 3, I do so because it's not Wizards game. It's Larian's game. I dislike WOTC, but Larian has used their brand to create something amazing.

But that brand is just that.

Their next game would've been amazing with or without the name "Baldur's Gate"

If anything it's out of respect that I say Divinity 3.

[tropic crag]

Their merits alone have gotten them a fair shake in the industry, sure. But it being specifically a Baldur's Gate 3 means a lot more and attracts a lot more attention than if it were just Divinity 3, you know what I mean? Ignoring the systems they share (which aren't excessively numerous) and the mechanics (and engine) they share, it's not nearly the same game as it would've been if it was infact just Divinity 3

That's all I'm getting at

That and the fact that taking someone else's world and making a game in it is leaaaaagues harder than simply making another in your own in-house developed setting

[rancid harness]

That's focusing on their reach and influence, not the quality of the game.

Of course they're gonna get more attention

But the quality of game they put out does not rely on the brand they have access to.

[tropic crag]

Reach and influence effects the quality of the game, does it not? If Ark 1 had 15 players on launch week, would it not have been a very different game in the end?

Minus the various feedbacks, mechanics (breeding), and suggested creatures from the playerbase, which wouldn't have existed otherwise

[rancid harness]

Affects*
Are you saying that if everyone stopped playing BG3 that the game would suddenly be worse?

Games as an evolving service, sure.

Ark's been in development for how many years now?

[tropic crag]

If everyone collectively didn't show interest in BG3, it would've been a worse game, yes

[rancid harness]

Yeah if they didn't finish the game?

Like what scenario are you trying to push?

Either they don't get the support initially and the game doesn't release

Or the game comes out and it's a finished product

[tropic crag]

You and I both know it's a lot more in-depth than that, come on 😂

[rancid harness]

Also do you want picture proof that boxes don't impose partial cover?

xD

But in all seriousness

Talk me through the depth between the release or scrapping of the project.

Explain it like I'm 10

[blissful perch]

I completely agree tutorials are not the blanket answer

[tropic crag]

Either way, my statement being about the reach and influence of the game changes little, it's far and above a different game than DOS3 would've been and took a lot more work than it would've if it were just that, and with that, I take my leave, Monopoly calls

[rancid harness]

Quitter.

But also enjoy Monopoly.

Love that game

[blissful perch]

Nothing makes me laugh harder than a satire of flagrant capitalism meant to be unfun becoming a highly marketed product

[rancid harness]

Fr

I actually hate playing Monopoly.

Worst boardgame on the face of the planet.

[nocturne spindle]

Do you guys think ark 2 will come in 2024 or will the delay it again

[rancid harness]

They'll delay it again, calling it.

[nocturne spindle]

Monopoly is fun sometimes

[rancid harness]

Might even scrap the project if they go under here soon.

[nocturne spindle]

I like buying one of every property and refusing to trade until someone flips the
Board out of rage

[blissful perch]

I think it’ll come out the day it comes out

[rancid harness]

They've got an animated series that they haven't put anywhere yet, got half a game made (ark 2) and are pushing out a remake to try and fill in the gaps.

[nocturne spindle]

Also do we know if ark ascended is going to be on gamepass

[rancid harness]

Not looking like it to begin with.

I bet it'll be on gamepass after a time.

[nocturne spindle]

Yea ark 2 was supposed to be on it so I’d assume they would add it

[blissful perch]

I’d wait for release week to see about gamepass for ASA - since you’ll know pretty easily when it’s out if it’s on gamepass

The simple truth for WC is you won’t know when it’s out until you can click “download”

[tropic crag]

Back real quick as we're waiting for the 6th person, but yeah we play with multiple of the home rules turned on, it goes by in like 30 mins to an hour at most, fast paced fun with the homies

[rancid harness]

Ok that sounds better lol

Not familiar with home rules

[fluid pond]

Ripped OFF

[hoary steeple]

I am not banned

[tropic crag]

[lost stone]

Wait this dropped?

[stray elm]

Nope

[lunar light]

LOL NOT DROPPING vin dieseld to many pixels on forehead

[vocal matrix]

can anyone from Studio Wildcard explain why a lot of people don't like the idea of Ark 2, myself included. It looks like it won't reach the same level as the original game.

[lime forge]

You want the developers to explain to you why you don’t like the idea of game?

This community is fuckin wild

[snow hearth]

Why are they pushing out DLC’s when they could just be working on ark 2 bruh

[lime forge]

What dlc?

[split dove]

hear me out and i know this might sound crazy but there are different dev teams in wildcard for Ark 1 (ASE and ASA) and Ark 2 development

[split dove]

Some people don't like change and want to stick with Ark 1 and are buthurt Ark 2 isn't ''Ark 1 carbon copy in UE5'', so after a portion of people said they don't like it Wildcard started making ARK Ascended ..... wich those same people also moan over even after Wildcard made another game to please both sides of the community.
Ark 2 has the potential to be a more engaging and more refreshing take on Ark as it keeps the basic essentials (Taming, Survival, Exploring) while trying something new (Component-based item crafting/Dynamic World events/Advanced template building and sharing/Sensory-based creature ai/Opposing PvE forces and more) based on community feedback from Ark 1 as Wildcard wants to make the game they actually want to make.

When we first released ARK: Survival Evolved in 2015, we had no idea how big it would eventually become. It was beyond our wildest expectations 7 years later, and put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right.

[blissful perch]

ASE = prototype. Let’s see what WC can do with the money that prototype raised

[winged dome]

Actual Ark Chatter moment

[desert swallow]

Hi! Thank you for your question. I'd like to address your concern. You are feeling the way you do because the concept of change is triggering an anxiety response. Epinephrine is being released into your system that causes the symptoms of anxiety, such as asking this seemingly illogical question on a public channel. There may also be a serotonin imbalance at play here. There are things you can do that will ease the discomfort from anxiety you are feeling. Theye are:

Exercise
Yoga
Meditation
Avoid caffeine

If your symptoms continue please see a doctor. Remember you are not alone in how you are feeling, but I hope I was able to explain to you why you feel the way you do.

[winged dome]

Also possible resolution: watch YouTuber reviews so they can make an opinion for you if thinking for yourself is too hard

[blissful perch]

There are people who won’t understand this - and I worry about them

[nova sonnet]

need... more... concept... art...

[drowsy hamlet]

it's not 2030 yet

[feral echo]

any way to host games without lagging

I have a good pc but I lag when hosting

[tropic crag]

You're hosting games in Ark 2? How'd you get ahold of a copy? 😂

[nova sonnet]

☹️

[split dove]

His dad probably works at Wildcard

[lime forge]

What specs

[feral echo]

i5 10th gen
rx 5700 xt
500 gb ssd

[lime forge]

Ram?

[feral echo]

16 gb ddr 4

but when I try to run crystal isles on tethering 1000 for my friends its a issue

my fps is like 40 then

and I cant seem to find a solution anywhere

[lime forge]

Your cpu is pretty much bottom of the barrel when it comes to recommended specs. May need to turn your tether down

Could also consider renting a dedi

[pine basin]

Also needs more ram. Hosting Ark demands a lot of ram. Even more for you as you aren’t running a dedicated host. You are hosting and playing.

[potent oar]

i cant waite for 2025 so i can play ark2

[nova sonnet]

2026*

[desert swallow]

Why wait?

Step 1: Go to space.
Step 2: Approach Speed of light
Step 3: Land back on earth where time has past faster relative to you.

[astral token]

This is way too revolutionary

[untold ingot]

I was doing this last week

[south lance]

just run a lot

[tropic crag]

passed*

[split dove]

let it slap dolphins out of the water to kill them

[tropic forge]

like i said another shit creature about to join ark

theres one that only abilities make a little since

[untold ingot]

Smerf

[velvet jacinth]

yes i agree

[tropic forge]

Nothosaurus is the only one that makes since for the entire ark maps due to abilities

but if i had to choose i rather choose none and pull another draft or better yet let devs make their creatures since you know... they are selling a game, making money so on

none of the new creatures that will be on ASA makes zero sense so far

[tropic crag]

[south lance]

id like rex to be the strongest dino too

[brave tiger]

when it come out

[south lance]

nobody knows

[brave tiger]

gta moment

[south lance]

fr

wonder if the ultra graphics alone are worth asa honestly, plus some bug fixes and number changes

i think they are

[brave tiger]

idk how i managed to figure out how to tame an animal in 30 minutes with no youtube videos and getting the game minutes before. i need to be in harvard

[tepid ore]

I dont give a damn about abilities, im sick of fantasy bs, so orca or shark 2.0 for the win

[south lance]

i just want stuff i can play outside of the center

[tepid ore]

Do we know if asa is going to have the same rates as ase? Or will they revert them back to what 1x used to mean?

I feel like they’d have to revert them, and change explorer notes to yield no exp bonus, cause like whats the point of even putting effort into prim gear textures when everyone would be level 100 in a few hours like you can currently

[desert swallow]

Agreed, they are building from ground up they said, that would probably include resource harvesting balancing as well.

ark was always a job

[south lance]

just use the most popular light boosted rates

resources are fine tho

its the getting a dinosaur thats annoying

idk about original 1x resources i just mean now

only thing i think is annoying is getting metal smelted cause ref forge sucks

that could work

[tepid ore]

I’d uninstall and refund if current rates tbh

I think if you cant handle old official rates you belong in community servers

[south lance]

i think taming just needs to go up

[tepid ore]

I disagree

[south lance]

even just afk pressing e on a crystal wyvern is really boring

at least finding metal nodes is almost a conscious task

and you cant just abandon the game like when cooking/smelting

you have to be online the whole time

[tepid ore]

I quit after extinction and have only played a little after, i dont give a fuck about crystal wyverns

You got more than that with an anky

Yeah, you did

Nah

[south lance]

structures could cost more

[tepid ore]

Like 35-75 maybe

[south lance]

ye not too much idk

[tepid ore]

Current rates are like 150-200 i feel

[south lance]

what dmg anky tho

i think mobile is a direct port from 2016 and that gets anything from 10 to 200

or maybe 300 idr

[tepid ore]

Idk actually current rates, havent played hardly any since a couple months after extinction

Extinction brought about cryos and manas, both of which ruined the game for me

My whole selling point on asa is to experience classic ark again, even if it is only for a few months

[south lance]

i wonder what player count for a given number of daily hours looked like

[tepid ore]

I dont even care about the graphics, thats just a bonus to me

[south lance]

like average daily hours per player over the last 7 years

[tepid ore]

Ik back in like 2017 and 2018 i went hard, totally no lifed the game

When manas were introduced and ruined air pvp, and cryos ruined ground strategy and pvp base building; i quit

Maybe when they’re introduced this time it wont hurt as bad with the nerfs

Maybe

[south lance]

i mean people are gonna be able to cap it by the end of 2024

[tepid ore]

Cap it?

Get it?

[south lance]

450 with min maxed stats

[tepid ore]

Oh

Yeah, probably

I may or may not be playing by then

Again, my selling point is to finally experience real classic ark again

Even if only for a short time

[south lance]

i thought they ran a classic pvp cluster but it had net guns and stuff so people didnt like it

[tepid ore]

Yeah

Fuck net guns

Honestly fuck like 70% of the stuff added with and after extinction

[south lance]

that seems to be consensus from what ive seen

people want 2018 ark

[tepid ore]

Island, Center, Rag, and Abb are the only valid maps

And schorched

Scorched*

I almost forgot scorched cause i played it so little

[south lance]

why not valg

it did release after extinction

[tropic forge]

theres a really big chance for cryos to be at launch otherwise servers gonna be dino cap again whit no solutions

[tepid ore]

Its a new game, this is their opportunity to change dino cap logic, plus ue5 is less demanding than ue4

[untold ingot]

Um, it's actually more demanding

[tropic crag]

Your elitism is showing

Probably tell people not to save scum in singleplayer games too, huh?

[astral token]

💀

[drowsy hamlet]

it's fine mate ark survival Ascended can most likely handle them dinos

no more cryos whoop whoop

back to the good old days

[stray elm]

Ew

No cryopods.
Going to have to haul creatures across the map. Gross.

[drowsy hamlet]

never done that before? it's the real way ark was made 😁

[stray elm]

I did it for the 3 years the game didn't have cryopods, and it was shit

[drowsy hamlet]

😂

[astral token]

Meanwhile Dino Storage users: 🕺🏽

[drowsy hamlet]

I hope they adding that mod as we have more settings on that

[nova sonnet]

JUST REMOVE net guns

[nova sonnet]

here we go with the reactions again 😄

nets is bad!

[worldly garden]

You mean reactions on posts that have nothing to do with ARK 2, I wonder why you'd get reactions for that. 🤔

[nova sonnet]

NET BAD

[blissful perch]

Nets are a symptom of ase’s questionable combat system

Since most combat is spamming LMB, stuns and slows are a major component to gameplay

[split dove]

and it can still be negated by arks classic cookie clicker combat

[blissful perch]

Well, behind stats ofc lol

[blissful perch]

Well. The meme of stuns is that the “combat mechanic” means something can’t act at all..,

It’s the same issue with bolas

[split dove]

besides those combat mechanics basicly everything else can be done by just spamming leftclick to

idrk if there are any creatures that can only do dmg by using secondary abilities and not directly left clicks

[blissful perch]

Well my point is that those stuns play into the left click combat

If your only way of blocking hits or exploiting openings is to force them into existence by essentially freezing your opponent in place motionless

That’s simple combat in a nutshell

[split dove]

true, let's pray Ark 2 changes that aspect of ark combat

[blissful perch]

Supposedly it’s a centerpiece of gameplay, for players at least

Idk how tame/mounted combat will work - that’s something im a little more worried about

[south lance]

tbf this is lowkey also the asa channel

[drowsy hamlet]

it will but to worse ways 😂

that's why nobody cares about it anymore 😂

[winged dome]

It's not that nobody cares, it's that release is so far away and we only have vague ideas of what combat will actually be

There was tons of speculation early after announcement, but after two years of very little info, the conversations stopped or people moved on

[tropic forge]

theres some ppl on this chat that wants mortal kombat combos so they can stop complain about left click. 🤔 wonder why they havent change left click to a letter of keyboard that way they wouldt complain about left click 🤣

[pine basin]

TBF at this point I’m not even sure the game will be released

[winged dome]

There's also some who don't have the mental capacity to press more than one button

[nova sonnet]

net... bad...

[drowsy hamlet]

all I heard is 3rd person so they can add shit fighting mechanics and we ending up with ark2 fortnite stile 🤨

[split dove]

must've been one hell of a misinformation vid, might want to check official Wildcard sources next time

[mint swan]

I think it will come sooner then we think like maybe 1-2 years ,since ark 2 partnered with Microsoft to be a “game pass exclusive” type thing depending on there deal couldn’t they force em to release like nitrado doing with ASA?

[winged dome]

Then you might want to do a little more research before complaining

[tropic forge]

so you want to take over those ppl that have mental incapacity to your advantage??

[drowsy hamlet]

mate about what there legit 0.000001% information about ark2

all they said is 3rt person

[winged dome]

Souls-like combat is incredibly far from Fortnite

[tropic forge]

and souls like combat

check steam ark 2 page, its all there anything else its only theories and conspiracy

[split dove]

my guy never botherd to look for the ark 2 store page/steam page. just believed one conspiracy theory and rolled with it without checking for confirmation

[winged dome]

Hopped on that BattleBus, and didn't even thank the driver

[drowsy hamlet]

I checked it just been a year already forgot half 😂

will see what comes in 2030

[winged dome]

Hoping dino pathing updates makes pack hunting and caravans not complete ass, stopping every 3 steps when a follower gets stuck on a rock

[blissful perch]

visible confusion fortnite combat = souls combat?

[astral token]

This should be a thing in asa itself

[split dove]

• Dynamic navigation mesh and creature pathfinding overhaul (AI pathfinding) ASA

[blissful perch]

We have to see what that means in practice

I’d also love to see less of the “creatures stuck in each other” issues

[left crane]

is survival ascended gonna be ark 2

[split dove]

no, it's the UE5 remaster for Ark 1. Ark 2 is gonna be the sequel to Ark 1 that's gonna be it's own thing compared to Ark 1

[nova sonnet]

i did this yesterday ☠️

tusos in carno water part

but u can bite them with thylacoleo

no i’m referring to the cave on carno island

it has a water tunnel that leads to the main cave

[tropic forge]

damn good answer you know it

[nova sonnet]

no please not the cryopods

i need those

[pine basin]

The thing is, WC doesn’t have 2 years to deliver it (my opinion, of course. Based on today’s situation). That’s why I have doubts about the release.

Apparently they are out of money and struggling to develop the game. I’m not sure there would be a line of investors just waiting to fund their project for another 2 years.

[nova sonnet]

oh

the underwastle castle ruins by blue ob on Ragnarok!

i’ve… built… there…

[pine basin]

Also, Microsoft might have the right to force them to release, but I’m not sure they have a product to release.

We will know better in October IF ASA is really released by then.

[split dove]

iirc the 4 million Asa and nitrado thing was bc Snail didn't pay the last few bills for Ase server fees was it not?

[worldly garden]

Yes there was more than $1m outstanding from Mar-Jun. But I also wouldn't say they are struggling to develop the game. Where is the evidence they are struggling? Yes they are still learning UE5 but I wouldn't call that struggling.

[split dove]

the whole industry is still learning UE5 as well, so not a Wildcard exclusive thing either

[blissful perch]

Grasping how businesses handle capital isn’t always intuitive. And more importantly, it’s not always reflective of what product launches will look like to yank one figure and claim knowledge of internal operations

[pine basin]

The situation based on their financial statements. Apparently they aren’t in a good place right now (financially).

About Microsoft, didn’t they have a exclusivity deal? And this deal probably has a possible release date, and WC is probably legally obliged to comply with that date.

[pine basin]

The postponements and their few words about it make me believe they are having issues. And the fact they can’t share more is also concerning.

And yeah, a few days ago I’ve said everybody is having issues with UE5. It is too new. My fear is WC might not have the funding to keep it going.

And again, that’s my assessment of the situation, not a fact per say.

[worldly garden]

Pretty much 90% of ASE's DLC were delayed, some several times, but they never struggled with development.

Also WC don't share gameplay early, they always hold it until close to releases. Not sure why people don't understand this but instead compare what WC are doing to other companies.

[astral token]

75% is a better number

[tropic crag]

60%, and that's my final offer

[worldly garden]

tbh i just threw a number in there 🤣

Yeah, I mean people act as if the fact there's no gameplay means really bad news, when they don't bother to look back at WC's history to see this is no different to how they've done it before. People just too eager to moan.

Nope, vote is still going till Monday

[split dove]

sure hope that fox doesn't win

[worldly garden]

Probably get Yi Ling dossier.

What fox?

[split dove]

the Miracinonyx

[pine basin]

Yeah, sure. But they had the base game selling pretty well. Also the time and money needed to develop a dlc is way lower. They had the time back then.

Now it’s different. I don’t Ark sells like before. They have their daily costs + development of 2 games (ASA and Ark 2). This why I think they aren’t in a good place right.

Of course if they release ASA in October and it is a huge success, the situation changes.

[tepid ore]

Good.

Cryos belong in solo and community if the server operator choses such

Cryos ruined all large scale strategy, and base building on pvp

[untold ingot]

Evidence of this? And don't say loans. Elon musk had billions of dollars and still got a loan to buy Twitter lol

[pine basin]

In some of the statements they were reporting losses

The last financial statements

[untold ingot]

That's a given, because they haven't sold a dlc in awhile

[pine basin]

And that’s on what I’m basing my assessment

[untold ingot]

Fair

[pine basin]

But again, just an opinion. I don’t have much knowledge on that matter

[desert swallow]

Companies can show losses in a given year. We have a family business where most of our revenue has been going towards a project for growth.

Gotta spend (and borrow) money to make money.

[pine basin]

Yeah, sure, but they are getting money from Nitrado to keep their business running. It just doesn’t look good (IMO). I’m saying they are done, just saying I think they are close to a breaking point.

ASA might be a make it or break it milestone for them (again IMO).

That’s the issue when you have a company with a single product and while develop a new product your sales have dried up.

Not just WC doesn’t seem to be in a good place, but SG isn’t either.

My assessment with little to no info 👆of course the reality of facts can be different. I’m just a little concerned because of the above

[tepid ore]

Cryos are objectively bad for the game

[formal loom]

Yyyyyyyyyyy

[pine basin]

Agreed, but they’ve also helped the game. 😂

We need a solution in-between

No cryos to transport, but we need something to store the creatures

[tepid ore]

The only way they’ve helped is with performance and dino cap. Both of which they’ve had the opportunity to fix with asa

[pine basin]

Also the size of the bases.

[tepid ore]

Transport should be done as a convoy, cryos take away a large amount of strategy and need for map knowledge

[pine basin]

We now have super compact bases because of the cryos

[tepid ore]

I see this as a bad thing, big bases is a good thing

[pine basin]

Agreed, that’s why I’ve said we need a solution in-between

[tepid ore]

No one builds beautiful extravagant bases anymore, and cryos are single handedly to blame

[pine basin]

No it’s not. It’s too demanding to keep them:

[pine basin]

And that’s good

[tepid ore]

I disagree

[pine basin]

Servers are cleaner

[tepid ore]

The two main reasons i used to play ark was for the large scale combat strategy and base building, those were the two things i mainly enjoyed.

Cryos took both of those from me

[pine basin]

That’s not true tho

[tepid ore]

It objectively is

[pine basin]

It ended with the big bases

But the big battles are still happening

[tepid ore]

Cryos took away the need for big bases outside of ratholes, everyone bases in ratholes now and you’re hurting yourself if you dont.

I dont do mega tribe large battles

[pine basin]

Just end with the ratholes without bringing back the need for huge bases

[tepid ore]

I mean like the battles that would happen between like 10-50player tribes

[pine basin]

I don’t want the brontos/paracers walls back to the game

[tepid ore]

Ends cryos and the ratholes will no longer be able to be done

[tepid ore]

I do

[pine basin]

Get rid with the cryos but create a machine to store creatures

[tepid ore]

Added to scouting and the ability to take guesses on how experienced a tribe was

[pine basin]

That’s fine, but I don’t so we will have to agree to disagree

[tepid ore]

No creature storage

No pokeballs

Cryos ruined the game.

[pine basin]

You will probably be disappointed tho

[tepid ore]

Lol, how so?

[pine basin]

They’ve hinted a “new creatures management system”

[tepid ore]

I take that as change to groups and whistles

Nothing to do with cryos

[pine basin]

Most here don’t, me included

We think it’s probably a machine to store creatures

[tepid ore]

I mean, thats creature management…

[pine basin]

Even atlas has those

[tepid ore]

Unfortunately

Atlas is also a dead game

[pine basin]

Different opinions tho

[pine basin]

Not because of that. It died way before that actually

[tepid ore]

Well, yeah

[pine basin]

Also, if you ark to thrive, we need something to store creatures

[tepid ore]

Constantly wiping your servers for a little player boost will do that

[pine basin]

The old way isn’t good

[tepid ore]

The old way is the only way.

[split dove]

pretty sure the new creature management system is for Ark 2

[pine basin]

But it’s not

It’s been 5-6 years since cryos were added

We could say the old way was there for just a minor fraction of the time

[tepid ore]

Almost 5 years, november 2018

With extinction

The update that made me quit

[pine basin]

No no

[tepid ore]

I’ve had enough time for this opinion to marinate, you will not convince me otherwise.

[pine basin]

Cryos came way before that

[tepid ore]

No, they didnt

[pine basin]

They did

Let me look for the date

[tropic forge]

for a pvp guy to complain so much about cryos makes me wander if you know about cryo pvp debuff

[pine basin]

I stand corrected

It was the other tek stuff that came first (transmitter, replicator etc).

[tepid ore]

I have no problem with the early tek stuff either

[pine basin]

But still, for the most part of the development cycle we have cryos

And I hated the 2016 bases 😂

[tepid ore]

I loved 2017 bases

[pine basin]

In 2015 things were more manageable

[tepid ore]

Massive forts were amazing

[pine basin]

I pass

[tepid ore]

Where people could put passion in their bases

And they werent a competition of who can function out of a smaller rat hole

[pine basin]

I don’t miss playing at 10 fps

And all the time consumed just to keep the bases running

[tepid ore]

You keep failing to comprehend that thats an optimization issue that should be fixed with asa

[pine basin]

With 50 different generators

No thanks

[tepid ore]

Why were you using 50 gens

Just wire better

[pine basin]

Like I’ve said, not just the fps

But there’s a limit on how much you can optimize the game

[tepid ore]

Upkeep isnt an issue if you build correctly, performance shouldnt be an issue, what else do you have?

[tropic forge]

someone thinks UE5 its gonna make magic 🤣

[tepid ore]

And ase was extremely inefficient, lots of room for improvement

[pine basin]

10s of thousands of structures + 100s of creatures will lag no matter what engine you use

[tepid ore]

Thats an ignorant take

[pine basin]

Ase os extremely cpu bounded

Cpus haven’t improved that much

[tepid ore]

Its not a hardware issue

[pine basin]

They can’t make asa totally multi-threaded

[tepid ore]

Its a lazy dev issue

[pine basin]

It’s tho

You can’t make everything multi-threaded

[tepid ore]

Im done here, this is a waste of my time

[pine basin]

You can have 32 threads, but not everything can be calculated on multiple threads at the same time

Biggest hope on those cases is the GPU frame generation

Dlls 3 and FSR 3

There’s a limit on how much Wc can optimize it

[tepid ore]

Holy shit you are dense🤦‍♂️

Im not doing this argument for the third time

[pine basin]

Please, don’t go to the ad hominem arguments, let’s keep it civil

[pine basin]

That’s fine then

[tepid ore]

There is no ad hominem, i’ve explained this already and you cant grasp it, so im not doing it anymore

[pine basin]

Anything aiming the interlocutors is ad hominem

But what’s the issue with keeping a civil discussion?

[tepid ore]

No issue

[pine basin]

We can’t just disagree and that’s fine

[tepid ore]

Im not using it as a means to insult, you are just being objectively dense

[pine basin]

Again, I’d prefer we focus on the arguments

[tepid ore]

Clearly there is a lack of focus given the fact i’ve explained that point three times

[pine basin]

And I’ve already said we have different points of view

[tepid ore]

There is no points of view regarding the room for improvement in optimization from ase

I think everyone who has ever spent more than 20 minutes in the game can tell you its one of the most unoptimized games out there

[pine basin]

There is tho. All complex games I know, with lost of structures and creatures have bad performance because they are cpu bound

Devs are all saying the same thing, there’s a limit on how much they can improve

[tepid ore]

Well, duh

[pine basin]

Dlss 3 is the only light in the end of tunnel so far

[tepid ore]

You’re talking about frame gen when were talking about the background

[pine basin]

So, why every mmo or super complex games have poor performance? All devs are lazy?

[tepid ore]

Not every and not all

[pine basin]

Starfield is struggling to run at decent fps on the consoles

[tepid ore]

Bethesda is a lazy developer too

They choose bandaids over fixes

[pine basin]

Can you give me examples? Complex games with good performance?

By complex I mean lots of AI

[tepid ore]

Any developer that chooses bandaids over fixes for core issues are lazy developers

The cryos are a bandaid

Not a feature

[stray elm]

Like, a lot of npc's or a lot of really good npc's?
That makes a difference.

[pine basin]

each wall on a Ark base is an “AI individual”

[pine basin]

Yeah

[split dove]

it's almost like there are cases where some stuff just isn't able to be fixed and a bandaid is the only option to lessen the severity of a problem

[pine basin]

Lots of NPCs alike

[stray elm]

Okay, so their intelligence doesn't matter. We're talking about numbers, correct?

[pine basin]

I mean, every wall, every plant on Ark is an “Npc”

[split dove]

the number mason, what do they mean?

[stray elm]

A lot of games have that.

[pine basin]

Kinda yeah, but having in mind they plan to improve on the ai for Ark 2

[tepid ore]

Yes, ase was a dumpster fire too hot to extinguish. I would imagine that any good developer would be taking the opportunity of rebuilding from the ground up to perform an overhaul on optimization, especially regarding stuff that couldnt be modified previously

[pine basin]

So there will be more calculations to the cpu

[split dove]

Ai and base building for Ark 2

No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures.

Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team.

[stray elm]

Right.
But if we're talking about games with lots of AI's at once without taking into account of how smart they can be, than you can see games like the Total-War series that can hold hundreds of individual npc's on a single screen.

[split dove]

that's ..... that's why Asa is being made for the people not interested in Ark 2

[stray elm]

While any large amounts of....well anything will impact performance. I believe it's mostly the intelligence of the AI that's going to be what eats the cpu.

[pine basin]

That’s an example where my cpu gets hammered hard and fps go south really quickly

[stray elm]

Really?
I run just fine, and I've seen many others able to get a solid 60fps

[tepid ore]

Exactly! And thats why we should see serious performance improvements that yield cryos no longer a necessity, right?

[stray elm]

It does also round down to the indivisuals specs.

[pine basin]

Microsoft flight simulator and their racing simulators are also examples of cpu bound games

And dlss 3 was a huge change for those

[stray elm]

Right, and bigger larger games are going to expect better specs from their customers.

That is sadly the major downside of gaming as a hobby.
You, the customer, have to advance your specs enough to run the game you desire to pay. Which can be an expense.
But we can't have better games without striving for something more.

[nova sonnet]

if ur living in a rathole ur trading off space for security

without cryos u really cant raid them

cryos are fine the way they are right now

and cryo cooldown and debuff is a thing

[blissful perch]

There’s good discussion to be had about cryos being bad for ark 2 - though I’m unsure about saying so objectively without more insight on how the game’s combat and pacing works. But for asa…am I crazy to think cryos are a day 1 addition? They seem pretty integral to the playerbase Asa is appealing to

[stray elm]

Dollie stated awhile ago that they're contemplating if they want to remove cryopods until Extinction. To give the 'old days' feeling back.

Personally, as someone that has been with this game since early-access launch, I'm probably one of the few here that will say that early-access ARK was shit compared to what we have currently.
Admittedly the official space is at an all-time high for how hectic it is due to all of the DLC's. But seeing as everyone will be getting all legacy-DLC's for ASA in the base-game, the actual balance issues are surely to be lowered.

[nova sonnet]

what i would like to see from ASA is a cluster that’s exclude maps, engrams, and tames after extinction. It’ll be 2018 Ark all over again🥺

[tepid ore]

Ark 2 seems like its moving entirely away from cryos and tek altogether based on how much emphasis we’ve seen on primitive gameplay

But asa, cryos bad

[blissful perch]

It was good in some ways and bad in others

Maps like the island felt big, which was good, but so many other things were high key broken or flat out unfun

[tropic crag]

Best outcome, true classic servers for the masochists to play on, away from the rest of the playerbase

The Center was abysmal to caravan dinos on, for one 😂

[tropic crag]

Citation; ex-alpha of official The Center 805 (old official), tribemate to Moonchild (who owned the 2nd best giga line at the time, that I had to ferry across the map on several occasions)

I was younger at the time, and probably thought it was fun, but yeah no that was a horribly unfun timesink that I wouldn't wish on anyone, at least not without current dinos/structures

[blissful perch]

Maps were the best part of the early access

But yea you reread correctly - my biggest issues with early access ark were the horrendous taming speeds, movement speeds gone rogue, fliers being disgustingly OP, etc

[blissful perch]

Commercial server host = only server host?

Possible, but I straight up don’t know

[tropic crag]

That's just people having a discord for their ASA server and "donations" (extortion) for free shit in said server, not really pertaining to other hosting services per se

[blissful perch]

“Not prevent monetization”

[serene onyx]

Bruh

[blissful perch]

That means you can monetize your unofficials

[tropic crag]

Right, but that only has to do with them, not applicable if there is other server hosts like Gportal

It's still very vague, I think intentionally so

[blissful perch]

It says “self hosted” servers in there

[tropic crag]

Commercial could mean just official, for all we know

[blissful perch]

It looks pretty clearly to be exactly that to me from what was just posted

It MIGHT mean nobody else can host through a commercial vendor though…but idk if there’s a console component to that

“Of your self hosted…” is what I’m reading

[fallow niche]

It's confusing 😕

[blissful perch]

Which does confirm that unofficials can be run off dedicated machines at the very least

[winged dome]

So, why not a dedicated machine ... from a rented company? 🤔

[blissful perch]

But no commercial hosters like gportal will be allowed for asa

Reading the whole crunch, it looks like personal machines = aok

But stuff like gportal etc we won’t see, as that’s all going to be through nitrado

I’m glad WC noticed the confusion and updated us on this in the crunch

[tropic crag]

Really shitty if true

[blissful perch]

Looks like that’s pretty much final

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's what the document said in any case

[blissful perch]

Imo the document was unclear about private machines

[untold ingot]

I didn't see it as unclear

[fast isle]

I hope we’ll be able to have single player with no tether in ASA and ark 2

And the ability to host your own server with a couple of friends

Without having to use up a whole device

[winged dome]

All of those are possible in ASE, so likely yes

[potent hull]

i hop if the lobster win or the snail win i hop they drop there meat and not just the normal meat we see in asa

[tropic crag]

There was a snail in the vote? I thought it was a hermit crab 😂

[potent hull]

sam thing

[worldly garden]

snail is nothing like a crab lol. Now if you said same thing for snail and slug you'd be a lot closer.

[nova sonnet]

you know what would be even crazier

If those servers were hosted on the 2018 version of ark

so pre nerf manas

and 2000 durability armor

[tribal chasm]

They could go a long way by adding some filters or difficulty back into the game.
I am bored of people getting everything day 1, infinite eco+dinos+levelling easy...
How many times do you want the game to be 'it's day 1 of wipe, let's get on our tek stegos + tek rexes and raid this base' it's just ... where did the risk reward go in this game? Or any difficulty?

[nova sonnet]

thsse servwrs will fix that problem

every task that has previously been made simple by the Genesis DLCs will not revert to its original difficulty

have fun farming element on 2018 ark

or breeding/farming resources

we'll have to use our brains again

[tepid ore]

Yes please 2017 or early 2018 ark. Before extinction ruined everything

[nova sonnet]

extinction is fine

[tepid ore]

I disagree

I vehemently hate cryos and manas

Both made me quit the game

[nova sonnet]

manas have been nerfed into oblivion and cryo is nice QoL item to help smaller tribes

you should be worried about the later DLC's

[iron sequoia]

Cryos are a huge timesaver
Hopefully there is a version of them in ark2

[tropic forge]

cryos not only save nights of sleep as they also save server performance for those that storage dinos in cryos

[nova sonnet]

they make raiding easier too

some spots are unraidable without cryos

like "FUCK YOU" level of unraidable

[timid wigeon]

H

[blissful perch]

they just need fewer hard bypasses like note runs and all-access taming that's not tethered to progression. If you needed (in ark 2 that is, since this whole idea imo isn't in scope for ASA) "taming skill 2" for medium tames or something, or a dossier unlock via interaction with a creature...suddenly this stuff takes longer in a fun way

[tribal chasm]

I kinda like the path they have gone down for tames since Gen1, the unique methods for taming are nice

[blissful perch]

Unique taming is good for sure - but I’d like another step of requiring some form of progression for certain tames

The most simple was the old school leveling (IE pre notes) helping people understand what an early or later game tame was based on saddle level requirement

[desert swallow]

Counter point: Most areas are easily raidable because of cryos. like "F YOU" level of raidable.

[nova sonnet]

TRY RAIDING ISLAND ice cave without cryopods

or rad rathole

good luck

[desert swallow]

so because a few areas are hard, we make everything easy?

Those areas were raided before cryopods. It can be done.

Raiding should be hard. It takes people days and months to build up, and as it stands now it can be wiped out in a few hours at most.

[true fox]

So I'm a bit confused. Are officials still being turned off on 8/31?

I assumed that the release delay meant more time on official?

Time to reread rhe relevant crunches

My bad: "second will happen during the week of the Official Network Shutdown in September."

I guess this is a save test run

[nova sonnet]

before cryopods people didn't have full knowledge of building

if you were to remove cryos now, GOOD LUCK RAIDING

and i am talking from an official server standpoint, no one farms there

everyone dupes, at least from a tribe standpoint

removing cryos would just benefit those tribes and make surviving harder for the smaller tribes

they are necessary to keep most players sane

i do not want a "WAKE UP AT 4 am to imprint 😂 " scenario to happen ever again

or a "bro they're sniping all of our fucking tames"

[last cloud]

FELT

[south lance]

need to be able to offload tames

[tropic forge]

you gotta understand when someone tries to make a point that cryos are bad they most likely dont play on officials and if you go debate thats where you wanna play they will make a fuss too because of that

[last cloud]

THEYRE not exactly bad

But they ruined the fact you had to@somewhat be decent at the game to save ur tames

[last cloud]

Cryos have pros and cons but personally I miss the primitive PvP side of ark and tame sniping is one of those things you gotta deal with

Just like@nowadays you gotta conform to people throwing 30 stegos in ur base when ur offline and then running away

[tropic forge]

thats the life of pvp

[mint swan]

Caves are suppose be redone in ASA but we don’t know what yet ,it could mean making them unbuildable,could mean increase structure dmg even more,or maybe even just making entrances bigger/rid of crouch

[pine basin]

No really a save test, more like a different save point. People can choose to start their new servers now instead of waiting until the end of September

[desert swallow]

When someone talks about cryos being bad it's not because of storing tames (there should be other ways to do that), it's because of being able to toss out anything at will at any time without any planning or forethought. It takes the survival out of a survival game imo. And for what it's worth to you, I played official before and after cryo pods. And yes I used them because otherwise you wouldn't be able to compete. Didn't think it was great for the game though.

[true fox]

Cryo sickness made them a little less unbalanced

[tepid ore]

This, but also storage, cause being able to scout what other groups had was kind of nice

[nova sonnet]

that hasn’t changed

“OMG BRO they have so many cryofridges!!! We should raid this”

[pine basin]

They should just take care of the storage part and get rid of the cryopods. And the game will be much more balanced. And it is apparently what they will try to do. Creatures storage is a must, but cryopods made things too easy.

[blissful perch]

Storage is pretty critical to long term gameplay

It was a little stupid how much space you needed for old bases just to have stuff sitting around. And the clutter was downright irritating (if not ruinous to server and client performance)

[pine basin]

True. I don’t want this back.

[winged dome]

Deploy anywhere Cryos are more accurately the problem. Storing tames and pausing timers is fine, but popping Gigas out at a moment's notice has got to go

[blissful perch]

Nobody with a memory wants no dino storage imo…on anything but a top line rig or a quiet SP server you had 5-10 fps next to big bases lol

[split dove]

pokemon go: dino survival edition pack

[winged dome]

That's why I'm a fan of the config options in mods. Can restrict popping out tames to within-tribe/ally build radius

[blissful perch]

I think that should be the standard ngl. Although I don’t know how to fix aquatics to be more fun

The only time I really value the pokeball stuff in a good way is that everyone doesn’t need a slice of beach to store their aquatic tames

[pine basin]

Transmitters did that before cryopods

[tropic crag]

How the hell you gonna know how many cryofridges a tribe has if you haven't raided em? Lmao

[pine basin]

Render bug

[tropic crag]

Or meshing, I guess

True, point made

Hell, even ini helped to let you see through shit sometimes

[untold ingot]

Literally just go near their base and turn off your wifi... Has been a thing for ages

[nova sonnet]

not every base is a big fucking metal box

K mode to see inside cave

[tropic crag]

Maybe on PC, Xbox you do that and the game closes. People tend to forget the differences between the platforms

[tepid ore]

I dont give a fuck about loot, i like a good fight

[nova sonnet]

so you’re a tame sniper💀

you’d get a good fight regardless

[south lance]

loot lets you fight better

[nova sonnet]

“admins, send in Human - Lvl 82”

[south lance]

unironically sometimes

with a netgun no armor

actually it was kinda funny in hindsight

[nova sonnet]

send him in wiith a fabi and 2k bullets

surely nothing suspicious

[south lance]

dont forget the gaming chair

[nova sonnet]

speed wyvern too

CAPPED SUIT iNCIDNET

[untold ingot]

Can't forget what you never learned

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[tepid ore]

Why would someone who wants a good fight snipe tames? Thats like the polar opposite

[potent hull]

if the lobster wins for asa i can see you sing the song from family guy rock lobster song lol

[brittle parrot]

I down for the lobster anything that give me lots chitin

[untold ingot]

Chitin is a useless resource

[potent hull]

and hop it drop losbter meat sow wecan mack lobster roll in game

[brittle parrot]

😛 lobster meat 🦞

[tidal pumice]

bro that water thing with the base on it looks sick tho and super useful

[blissful perch]

It was pretty rough based on searching for drops or hoping the obelisk was close to water/unguarded though…

[pine basin]

Yeah, I know. I just think there are other ways to do it without cryopods.

[blissful perch]

there probably are - but I'm struggling to think of what they would be

outside ofc a more mmo style tame manager that has a "summon" system, where you store X tames in a personal cloud and can only summon them in specific areas (say, areas owned by the player or areas that are not within X distance of a hostile player)

[nova sonnet]

because that's how you provoke people into coming out

i mean nobody has land bases anymore xD

just... leave cryos alone!!!

you should be concerned about specific tames INSIDE the cryopod

meta is stale

L wyv is the only thing you see

please buff rock drake 💀

[pine basin]

Transmitters. Just put a transmitter in the pond you want your aquatic creature.

Transmitters aren’t perfect, but they can work on them and improve their functionality

[tropic forge]

transmitters from S+ thats what i always wanted on officials for the simple thing of dino list compose of dino specie/lvl/location, it could had save me a couple of wasted thousand hours looking for dinos

but to use transmitters as a bank to store dinos thats extreme wrong and risky

[mint swan]

ASA and Ark 2 to have 3rd party accounts does it bother you? Seems like most if not all games that are cross platform require 3rd party accounts for it to work.for me it doesn’t bother me one bit,but I see alot of people paranoid about them and review bombing games because of it

[manic panther]

How do you do ice cave without cryo pods?

Currently redoing island preparing for ASA, main issues are finding high level theris, trapping yutis and ice cave (big cold cave) and Rex bp

[tepid ore]

Because of cryos, which is the issue

[steel valley]

As far as I remember the hard ice cave was done by using crossbows and grappling hooks. You can stay on the celling and shoot the dinos from there or ideally avoid most of them

use two crossbows to swing form hook to hook as far as I can remember

[manic panther]

Really enjoying early game

[steel valley]

My concern would be the high tear fur clothing. I mostly found that in the SE desert drops. Maybe you can find some in underwater drops or cave drops on the island??

[manic panther]

Thinking normal fur, brews and otter

[steel valley]

Yeah same here. However finding high lvl dinos on the island is a pain.

Oh I didnt know about the otter 👍 Also I hardly ever used brews

Can you get a megatherium in the swamp cave without the cryopod?

[manic panther]

Oooh, no

[steel valley]

Waaait.. We used frogs to get the cp in the early days omg

Omg finally frogs become important again. With so many ppl looting and blocking beaver dams on top

[modest sail]

anyone know when ASA is going to available to download? as i cant see it on steam but can see ark 2? TIA

[steel valley]

Probably early october if it lanches in october

Imagine making your way to the obi with 18 rexes because no pods.. Ppl will build bridges and streets lol

[thick tulip]

convoys used to be meta

[steel valley]

I really hope there wont be a soft launch for the youtuber faction. Every spot on pve would be taken when all normal folks get on

Yeah convoys like in the old video where you see stegos going up the vulcano? Sadly that was never a thing really because shit got stuck on every rock

[blissful perch]

Ok, but how does that resolve the issue I stated of “how do you make it so you don’t need a slice of water/beach to build to use aquatics”. And how would that work in ark 2, a game with no tek, and I presume nothing like a tek transmitter?

[steel valley]

Well without tek (no transmitter, transporter or cryopod) you simply can not get your aquatic dinos from the ocean to a lake. They spawn in the ocean and stay there. Afaik ppl used to upload and download aquatic dinos on the red obi on the island

Thats where land-water dinos like frogs come in play. Or sarcos

[blissful perch]

In ASE yes. Which is why the question I’m posing is “how would WC ADD SOMETHING NEW”

[steel valley]

After a while the cryopod and every other tek thing will drop eventually

[blissful perch]

I sure hope not

Ark 2 is meant to be primitive. It would be a bit of a betrayal of that expectation imo to add the tek tier back at a later stage

[fast isle]

U know asa

The bugs r gonna be fixed right

Not all of them obviously but some of them right?

[blissful perch]

Some for sure

Lots of bugs stem from limitations in UE4, so off that bat that’ll help

[fast isle]

The ones I want the most are meshes and no reg 🙏🏼

Getting stuck in the mesh is the most heart breaking thing

[blissful perch]

No reg fixing would be…imo nothing short of required to make PvP not garbage

[fast isle]

I was stuck in a hole on small tribes for a whole day

Stuck in a falling position mind u

So I couldn’t even move or jump

And by a miracle a phiomia fell in and I could punch it so I die 😭

[blissful perch]

Stuck spots being fixed would also be great. I think ark 2 having a mantling system would be even better

[fast isle]

They have climbing like Conan

I hope climbing isn’t that easy tho

Like it should bite a decent chunk out of your stamina

On Conan you can basically climb anywhere and it’s a bit op

And climbing player builds also an issue

[blissful perch]

I think the game can be built around it and it can work well

[fast isle]

Yeah for sure

[steel valley]

ah I meant ASA sry

[blissful perch]

Also mantling ≠ hard climbing

[fast isle]

Also do we know for sure no tek in ark 2?

Is there also gonna be no turrets and metal structures?

[blissful perch]

A tweet that says “what’s next for ark 2? Not tek that’s for sure”

As well as promises of things being primarily primitive. We ALSO saw scrap tek swords though, so it’s not like the world is tekless

[fast isle]

It’s gonna get added in as a dlc map (I hope this joke doesn’t bite me in the ass)

[fast isle]

Yeah cause it’s mostly ruins and stuff

[blissful perch]

God I hope not. But other people say that too. It’s not clear what’ll change too as ark 2 continues to get more content

[fast isle]

Me personally

I think primitive plus is how ark should be

Minus all the extra steps

Like making skinning knives and all that etc etc

It’s a bit arduous to do all of that stuff

[blissful perch]

I think a lot of tek’s qol is good. But I strongly dislike the Jetpack and the tek suit…

And ofc cryos being pokeballs haha

[fast isle]

This.

[fast isle]

No cryos is gonna take me back to the og days 😭

[steel valley]

cryos need to be instant in pve or gone all together

[blissful perch]

This is the stuff I love though. More of a monster hunter carving feeling would make ark 2 so damn good

[fast isle]

Monster hunter world is an elite game

Fatalis is easy 😤

[fast isle]

Skinning isn’t too bad but there’s a whollllle lot of extra steps

And it makes it way too hard for any solo players

ESP cuz prim plus is run by huge tribes

Well it was before it randomly broke

The idea of using ur dinos to defend ur base rather than a turret is also much nicer to think about

[blissful perch]

Elite and has one of the best resource, crafting, and progression systems I’ve ever played

[fast isle]

The only issue is how will raiding work for example breaking stone and stuff

Just blasting a Dino from afar with weapons while it can’t hit you

Will there even be a way to kill a tamed giga in a primitive only world

Lots of questions you gotta ask

Cause I don’t think a primitive bow will be doing much damage

[blissful perch]

I pray gigas are severely nerfed

[fast isle]

Well I guess they’ll have to be

No wooden bow is gonna destroy a giga

[blissful perch]

But damage and armor also need dire changes in ark 2. The stats are way too high

[fast isle]

Very true

But that’s because the mutations have gone too far

No good armour = instant death

There’s so many features that make the game good and bad at the same time

I’m really thinking about it now though

[steel valley]

In the early days only big tribes had gigas. And once they came for you you were pretty much toast kinda unbalanced

[fast isle]

How could you possibly kill a giga with primitive weapons

No metal and guns or compound bows

It’s basically impossible unless you make them have like 10k hp

[steel valley]

You dont. Ppl used to be on the hunt for who would tame a giga on the server and sabotage tames by dmging the tame

[fast isle]

That’s so much cooler imo

I think what ark has been doing recently is they’ve been releasing a lot of dlc maps and types of tames for the players who don’t play on big tribes

For example the fjordhawk, gen 1 and 2

Those type of maps and tames which are just made for solo players on pvp servers

And I think they need to place more value on actually being in a tribe

The biggest tribe being the rulers of a server and people going to try and sabotage them

[steel valley]

I cant tell. I stopped playing pvp 2 years ago I also never played on gen 1 or 2 aside from getting the meawings

[tribal chasm]

Scorched came out relatively quickly, fire hurt most tames

[fast isle]

I also just realised all the mega tribes are gonna be reset and unless they reform very quickly someone new will probably rise to lower

[tribal chasm]

Oil jars were 'noob friendly' and could kill most tames very very quick

[fast isle]

I don’t own either map

[steel valley]

Oh yeah we had big battles with fire arrows

[fast isle]

Oh yes

Fire arrows that’s how you kill a giga

Fire arrows for sure gonna be meta

[steel valley]

there is something wholesome in setting an enemy bronto on fire

I remember when ppl bred brontos for pvp lol

[fast isle]

Taming brontos with rockets

😢

[blissful perch]

Stats across the board need rebalancing

[fast isle]

I haven’t even tried that does it still work

[fast isle]

The game needs to be about dinosaurs again 💀

[steel valley]

Brontos? You mean rock golems

[fast isle]

What the hell is a reaper king bro 😭

[blissful perch]

It needs to be about dinosaurs, taming, and most importantly imo surviving

[fast isle]

I could have sworn you could tame brontos with rockets a long time ago

[steel valley]

I mean wtf is a tek Wyren

[fast isle]

Bro they can break turrets

It doesn’t even make sense to me

[blissful perch]

So much of ark is just safely grinding materials, and so little is about getting out of a jam or escaping wildlife and starvation

[steel valley]

I really home ARK 2 will be about prim gameplay

[fast isle]

Watch an official pvp video and it looks like a fortnite event

[blissful perch]

That’s the promise Steve - it says the game will be primitive

[naive sigil]

i 100% agree, not more of this alien tek flying around with railguns and shit

[fast isle]

It fits into the lore of the game but it really didn’t have to

[naive sigil]

Its not even a survival game anymore

[steel valley]

I think they need to kill letting ppl lvl walking speed. Try playing with normal walking speed and many things suddently make sence

[blissful perch]

I think tek worked well with ark 1. But that’s ark 1. Ark 2 should be able to stick to the primitive

[steel valley]

Cant run from sabers or raptors or rexes

[fast isle]

It’s just about making more unbalanced items which come from dlc maps so the sweaty people buy all the new maps to keep getting more op items to kill more people

[blissful perch]

You’ve identified one of the many things I constantly highlight as “broken” in ark 1 haha

[fast isle]

This is so cancerous

[naive sigil]

Absolutely, power creep is a big issue

[fast isle]

Bro raptors are the most common thing ever

[blissful perch]

It boils down big time to unbalanced stats though

[fast isle]

Running into a raptor every 2 seconds makes the game unplayable

Dude I tried to tell my friends to play ark and they already give up within 15 minutes because they have no idea how to play

[blissful perch]

Capped tames, capped BPs, movement speeds that can be used to instantly escape anything is just as cancer as flak so strong you take 0 damage for 10 minutes

[fast isle]

And they can’t be bothered to just try a little

[steel valley]

No man. I played pve island for the last few days and you can avoid them or shoot them as soon as you are ready.

[blissful perch]

The only threat in PvP is players, and I resent that. It should be PvPve

[fast isle]

Spawning in is horrible

An allosaurus a rex all of them can catch you

And all of them are so common in certain areas

[blissful perch]

I’ll die on a hill that the best part of ark is the beach Bob part

[steel valley]

its not. maybe in the snow biome but else its your good old survival progression on the beach. Leave the notes be and dont lvl walking speed for a better ark experiance

[fast isle]

The biggest enemy in pve is the bosses w#

Which I can just cheese with a. Shotgun and an oversized kangaroo

[blissful perch]

The biggest enemy in PvE is having a real job and not having time to wait around mutating tames for alpha master controller

[steel valley]

Pve is more about no loosing all your invested time every 2nd week

[fast isle]

Bro I just scammed people on pvp for my top stat lines

[naive sigil]

because its supposed to be a SURVIVAL game, nowadays you just spawn gen 2 with tek, onepunch a few dinos, farm a few thousand element with your fists, like its not the same game i bought 8 years ago xd

[fast isle]

Let the people in highschool do the mutating for you

Then raid them and take it from them

Or offer them 50k cp for 13 top stat lines and run Away

[blissful perch]

It’s still bad design to have anyone be stuck doing that imo

[fast isle]

Scummy but I’m not grinding 50k cp or mutating my tames 1.8 billion times

[steel valley]

lol or your dont play pvp

[blissful perch]

And ofc once you GET the lines, oops the game is broken

[fast isle]

Yep

I quit the game after having 1165 on pop

[steel valley]

stopped 4k hours ago and never looked back man. That pve is lame is an excuse pvp players use

[tribal chasm]

Oh yeah, I would be interested in seeing an 'Ironman' mode for Ark -- imagine each tribe can only breed with their own dinos (tribe based imprint kinda)
You can clone/obtain lines from other tribes, but never breed with them

[fast isle]

That’s só stupid

Like scientifically

[blissful perch]

I’d much prefer a complete and utter rework to breeding so it’s not the single most common activity (by time) of an ark player

[fast isle]

I think going out and taming to find the best pop was so fun 😭

[blissful perch]

If you looked up “what’s someone doing in ark”, breeding is by far the highest. And that’s so damn lame lol

[fast isle]

Mutations could be entirely removed in terms of stats

[steel valley]

I did this the last 4k hours on pve. Tamed everything myselfe. Had bossrexes and shit. Not the over op ones but still respectable stats

[fast isle]

And colour mutations could be left in

That would be cool I think

Another thing they could do is just make mutations like extremely rare

Like they are irl

[steel valley]

I want the old kibble lines back. Someone remembers those??

[fast isle]

Yep

[blissful perch]

Nooo. That’ll be so much worse lol

[tribal chasm]

me too somewhat, I did mostly in early small tribes, I think it has potential

[steel valley]

You had to have a pair of every dino to progress pretty much. It was cool

[fast isle]

Realistically a mutation that produces a benefit is so rare

[blissful perch]

Stupid rare just means it’s worse for anyone “newer” to breeding, and it’s miserable to just force more eggs before a mutation happens

[tropic forge]

just why? you want that baddly 20 kibble farm whit 13 diferent species to lag server?

[blissful perch]

It also adds nothing appreciable to the gameplay experience

[fast isle]

Dude land bases are so damn cool

I wish I could still walk around and see them

[blissful perch]

I’d rather enforce a sense of progression without the…dubious benefits the kibble system required of having tons of everything sitting around laying eggs lol

[fast isle]

I remember back in the day ppl used to build next to each other in the beach and be peaceful 😭

Another memory of ark when I was reallt bad was after getting raided on the beach I found the ice cave and built inside it

Then a bunch of guys came and joined my tribe for fun

[steel valley]

Well it gave you a reason to tame dilos. 80% of dinos are not even looked at anymore. I think that is sad

[fast isle]

Logged off and I came back the next day to a full base with turreys and a tek rep with 23 members in the tribe

[fast isle]

So true

The only dinos u really really use rn

[steel valley]

Cave building probably has to jump over board for pvp to be good again

[fast isle]

Are stegos gigas and wyverns

[blissful perch]

In ASE it’s because 1) leveling up is broken as shit via note runs 2) lots of tames are power crept out of viability 3) some creatures just suck as tames like the aforementioned dilo

[steel valley]

just like in pve. no cave building and thats that

[fast isle]

Note runs are so necessary sometimes it’s yet again just another qol upgrade for people@who don’t have much time to sit around dying while trying to level up

[blissful perch]

I would like a progression system that actually has “early” and “mid” game tames that are meant to be used by people who are progressing

[fast isle]

But then again ark 2 could fix that because everyone is going to be low level again

[steel valley]

I just liked that you had to tame x before y somehow. Not just go to valguero and get deinos and thats it for kibble

[fast isle]

However knowing the ark 1 community ark 2 is gonna be full of toxic people and no lifes who play 18 hours a day and take over the entire server

[blissful perch]

A massive issue with the gap between starting and months or even years established players is also a huge problem. Which is why I keep pitching 3-6 month wipes haha

[fast isle]

Nobody wants 6 months of their data wiped

That’s why ark poc exists

Also yet again if Ark 2 is done correctly you can make it so starting out is much easier and hiding ur base is also easier

[blissful perch]

Many people are ok with that. But you can’t build a game around slowly and painfully amassing progress and THEN wipe it lol

I’m not psycho enough to think that’s wise

[fast isle]

Ark poc was probablt the best thing they ever added

Unofficial carried my final days of ark

[steel valley]

poc?

[blissful perch]

If ark 2 progression is paced around wipes, it’s easy to see a world where it’s the standard

[fast isle]

After I’d given up getting top stats then going offline for a month

Unofficial made me happy

[steel valley]

Whats ark poc?

[fast isle]

I could play for 6 hours and get a decent base with turrets up

[fast isle]

Arkpocalypse

Wipes every 30 days

[blissful perch]

The alternative ofc is what’s actually happening - long term permanent servers, with what I pray is better balance between established and starting players and a more long term progression system

[fast isle]

The thing is I think it’s a play time reward thing

Play more = win more

[steel valley]

it is 100% on pvp

[fast isle]

U know what I really really really would like to see

[steel valley]

thats wy I started on pve and played at my own pace

[blissful perch]

What I like about sotf is that it’s skill rather than time spent per day

[fast isle]

In unofficial they host king of the hill events where people fight to claim a spot by a certain time

That would be so cool on ark 2

But with different events not just koth

[blissful perch]

I keep pitching event based PvP but I keep getting angry people saying “how dare ark PvP have a purpose”

[fast isle]

Or an arena fight would be so fun

[blissful perch]

I’d love to take part in 1 of 2 tribes working as defenders or attackers for a massive server wide siege war

[fast isle]

Allying with tribes to raid would be fun as hell too

[steel valley]

Wipe based ark like rust would mean you play 18h the first 3 days. That sucks in my eyes

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 being built around event based PvP is what I pitched. Since permanent “standard” PvP was confirmed by Dollie

[fast isle]

What would you suggest for pve events

I don’t see many opportunities except for tame the most amount of X within Y time

Actually I’d like to see a thing where like

[steel valley]

I would like some world events like in Fallout 76 where you can activate the powerplant and then you get power on certain spots on the map.. Like.. cool down the vulcano so ppl can go in and get eggs or so

[fast isle]

A certain high level Dino will spawn at “here” on “this server” and then people can go and contest to fight for it

[blissful perch]

World events ≠ event based PvP, which I’ll blame myself for not being clear. I’m extremely uninterested in “standard” PvP because frankly I lack the time and patience for offline raids

[fast isle]

That’s being tek again

[blissful perch]

But I’d probably try PvP more seriously if it was easier to enter and exit the gamemode on MY pace rather than “my stuff is gonna disappear while I sleep”

[fast isle]

Less focus on futuristic stuff = more fun

[steel valley]

No cooling the vulcano could be made through dinos

[fast isle]

Hide in a tree in the swamp

[fast isle]

Trust me you will never be found

[steel valley]

Or doing X that has effect on a certain spot on the map for many ppl

[fast isle]

I’ve hid in a tree in the swamp for 3 days before

I had all my top stats on me

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m talking about playing ark once a week vortex

[fast isle]

I’d probablt survive 3 weeks in that tree

Seriously it’s so funny how nobody touches swamp trees

[blissful perch]

Genesis 1 bog is underrated tbh

[fast isle]

I’ve been on ragnarok with 60-70 players on it

Small tribes hardcore pvp and I sat in the swamp@tree for a full 24 hours and some

[steel valley]

Rag swamp is nice. Can even hide a raft base

[fast isle]

Came back on still full pvp and I was fine

The tree I was hiding in is also uncuttable

So I grapple to the top and there’s a secret invisible platform u can stand on

I prone and it’s over

Go on rag small tribes sort by players and look how many are on it

[pine basin]

Upgrade the transmitter so it can store water dinos in the new creature management system they are talking about. Or just create another structure, I don’t know.

[fast isle]

There’s always about 60-70 players

On the main pvp server

[blissful perch]

Sorry to not be clear - it’s not me saying “you come up with it”, it’s me saying it’s tricky to come up with a solution that isn’t tek

[fast isle]

Oh my bad

I meant hardcore as in people were going at it

For hours

I haven’t ever tried hardcore

[pine basin]

Sure it is. I just hope they find a way.

[fast isle]

Too scary for me

Primitive plus was so funny

I used to crawl under spikes and into tiny cracks in bases

Then weave past plant species

[steel valley]

ah good job on clarifying. Nobody played hardcore after the first few months I think

[fast isle]

Died at least 30 times

[blissful perch]

Hardcore arkpoc could work

[fast isle]

Yeah because imagine ur level 100

[steel valley]

And you lost all your dinos

[fast isle]

And u blue screen on the beach

And some random comes and kills you

[steel valley]

one life would be cool.. restart a lvl 1 but the dino thing is bad

[blissful perch]

But yea…ASE isn’t stable or fair enough to want to have one life on that lmao

[fast isle]

Crash for the pc users out there

[fast isle]

Literally, I’d die to a mesh bug

I’ve genuinely been meshed into the ground by a sarco once

[blissful perch]

If progression wasn’t so much damn waiting I’d play more of that too. I hope ark 2 takes the tedium out of ark

I want tames that make me sweat, not tames that make me snooze

[steel valley]

Drops used to push you under the mesh. It was an exploit

[fast isle]

That’s the thing tho

Just adding things for qol

It will eventually lead to a bad game

[blissful perch]

You can add difficulty without something that requires sitting around longer

[fast isle]

Imo the game should be focused on having big tribes because irl if ark was real ur not surviving outside of a tribe

[fast isle]

True

Man I really hope kishko makes a return to ark 2

I just want to see him try it

[blissful perch]

I’ll always advocate for difficulty to come from actual…difficult stuff

[fast isle]

That’s so true

Taming a giga with tranq arrows and a bow rather than grinding to get an op longneck

[steel valley]

A tribe was always the go to in pvp. Expect from when servers were without transports outside

[blissful perch]

Waiting around isn’t difficult. It’s just annoying. It makes you not want to engage with something sure, but not because you’re debating if you’ll live, but because you’re debating between something dull and not fun and NOT sound that lol

[fast isle]

I have school and stuff too

so I can’t always be on ark

[blissful perch]

I stopped using traps and it changed my fun for the game instantly from “it’s so damn boring” to way more exciting

[fast isle]

Yeah that’s insane

I remember taking a quetzal with a tapejara

Or a griffin

Now people fly up with a tek suit and net it

[tribal chasm]

No trap = dino gets killed, runs off cliff, arrows can't hit properly because of bad hit registration etc

[blissful perch]

Real homies remember doing that from Argi talons

[steel valley]

Traps? For taming?

[blissful perch]

If you’re not managing the tame well, sure

[fast isle]

Frl

[fast isle]

Torpor run

[tribal chasm]

grapple and argy and whistling to tame a quetzal is fun not going to lie

[steel valley]

You cant lift dinos in pve so traps for taming are standart imo

[fast isle]

Tapejara is so much more fun bro

Latching onto a redwood tree

[blissful perch]

I always use the torpor run to trick the creature into running into a cliff face or rock

[fast isle]

So true

Like they keep adding these power creep maps to make solo players lives easier but it ends up killing the game because who else gets these op weapons? Big tribes

[blissful perch]

Traps are standard because they’re consistent, safe, and easy. But that makes taming boring as shit. You just need materials to KO and hours to waste sitting around. If I want to sit around, I’d watch tv or enjoy myself some other way

[pine basin]

I mean, that wasn’t funny. I think they can find better ways to make it harder and also more interesting

[fast isle]

I like interactive taming a lot

The carcharo taming idea was so original

Whoever thought of that needs to be listened to more

[steel valley]

You can always tame multible dinos at a time

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s better, but they can work on those too

[blissful perch]

“Do the exact same safe, consistent, and boring thing…but multiple times”

[pine basin]

I mean, they are introducing wild babies to ASA

[blissful perch]

It’s true I’m not afk, but it’s not scratching the gameplay itch I opened ark to scratch

[fast isle]

Stealing someone’s kid 😂

[pine basin]

Also, I’m not sure what ark 2 new system are coming to ASA

[fast isle]

Yeah man it really doesn’t work irl

[tribal chasm]

Look at Runescape for example, the exciting boss becomes very repetitive anyway after the 50th time. Sometimes you wish it was more brainless

[blissful perch]

They’re standard because they work lol. I’m not mad at it, I just think it’s crazy boring

[pine basin]

Well, the Chinese dino steal things I guess

[fast isle]

On paper it looks great “hey look you can either be in a huge tribe and work together or you can be solo and still make it” but in reality it’s “hey we made it easier for you to level up and get somewhere but now everyone else has it too so good luck defending for yourself, also if you don’t buy the new maps screw you”

[steel valley]

They are standart on pve because you can not for the love of god place spikewalls anywhere due to pillar spamming..

[blissful perch]

Really depends on what the fight is. RuneScape isn’t what I’d use to market an “exciting boss”, given that whole game is built around largely afk and tedious grinding

[pine basin]

The ASE taming system is pretty much boring

[steel valley]

pvp taming with spikewalls was cool tho. Had to watch the tame. Guard it

[pine basin]

And they know that, hence why they tried to diversify

[blissful perch]

Agreed, since the most exciting part is downing a creature outside a trap (for most stuff)