#ark-2

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thick moat
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i hope the next asa teaser is something more relevant than some tools or structures, like humans or dinos :D

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since they are takin a while for the next one

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hope not lol

winged dome
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'Step on me harder, daddy~'
-Shag Rug

tropic forge
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what a shit creature for ab that chimera spider was the only one that made sense for the map aside the op abilities, -1 for ASA, it just keeps building up

tropic crag
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We literally don't even know what it'll do, don't be a drama queen lmao

hexed grotto
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ASA could be interesting

tropic crag
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But I am a smidge disappointed we didn't get one of the cool spiders, I will admit

hexed grotto
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I think it depends on if it comes with the patented Wildcard bugs on release

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But a better graphic game that’s smoother would be great

tropic crag
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My goddamn g key is failing, how does that even happen? None of my other keys are acting up...

short fulcrum
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Araneo tlc

tropic crag
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I also wanted a spider, I think they'd have fit astronomically better tbh. But yeah, it is what it is, I for one just look at the creature and see it's potential, not what abilities were presented (even though some can be neat and rather interesting, but I don't consider them for my vote)

umbral vine
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quick question, what would be stopping the people dropped onto the planet (what is the name of the planet btw) from getting to tek/metal tier quickly? cause they were previously in the genesis simulation, which i can only imagine they'd keep their memories of the simulation

stray elm
umbral vine
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that actually does make a lot of sense, though isnt element suppose to be an adaptive material? like couldnt it absorb the impact or is it more like a multi-tool where it already has the adaptive nature programmed into it

stray elm
umbral vine
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fair, based off the trailers as well it seems like we'll be set right after the crash

stray elm
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Which makes more sense, since they're already geared up.
If it was directly after, they'd still be struggling.
But they seemed mostly fine, until the Aratai's showed up.

umbral vine
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yeah, i'd imagine if we were set right after it wouldn't end well, i also can imagine that some of the genesis people didnt survive then

stray elm
# umbral vine yeah, i'd imagine if we were set right after it wouldn't end well, i also can im...

Oh defiantly.
We see at the ending there's hundreds of thousands of pods dropping down.
And where I can't say exactly the mathmatics of it, it seemed like we only saw a small portion of the rings spewing out drop-pods.
Which, if this is 'all' across the ring, would allow for literally 100k+ survivors to possibly drop.
Though, a lot of those people are probably dead by the time ARK-2 takes place.

lime forge
umbral vine
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yeah id imagine thered be a lot of survivors cause just that one little room at the beginning of gen2 had like 50 people and it seemed like that couldve held a lot more people, though if there is winter on arat then that'd probably kill a lot of people as well for first or second year

umbral vine
lime forge
umbral vine
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i think helena/the one who waits at the end of extinction said that the arks would purge the element from the soil

umbral vine
stray elm
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It'd allow Wildcard to focus on the broad story, while the players themselves form the different civilizations.

umbral vine
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i think it'd be cool if there was a system like dying light 2 with the systems and reputations

stray elm
umbral vine
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yeah lol

humble talon
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Ich werde das nie spielen, lol, ich bin zu festgefahren, um eins zu spielen

lime forge
humble talon
lime forge
# humble talon Why?

They say it’s the only way they can moderate. Plus like everyone here speaks English,

humble talon
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I try

south lance
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gl

humble talon
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?

granite lichen
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gl

waxen nebula
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I just wake up today and looking for ark 2Bob

eternal wigeon
waxen nebula
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I blame vin diesel evil_g

lethal ravine
karmic orbit
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When ark 2 coming out

split dove
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as of now they're targeting end of 2024, could always change

potent hull
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🔥

proper tangle
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@karmic orbit

karmic orbit
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yeah

proper tangle
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Don’t expect to see ark 2 before 2025 at the earliest

mint swan
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Ark 2 will never beat Ark 1 best game ever ez

eternal wigeon
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People keep saying it should perform better

But we shall c 🤷‍♂️

short fulcrum
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Depends
Because it will definitely be more graphically intense
But it also should be better optimized

untold ingot
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It will have nanite and lumen. For lower tier systems it is possible to have a lower fps, but it should be a way more visually appealing and consistent fps

misty kraken
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it wont

ivory wolf
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Когда арк 1.5 выйдет? Мне сказали в сентябре но я всегда думал в след году вместе со 2

scenic rain
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Xbox

lime forge
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Pc

scenic rain
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Ok

fading echo
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.

dusky acorn
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Is ark to free if so where is it avalible?

lime forge
dusky acorn
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oh ok thx!

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Do u know the price?

rancid harness
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🍻

winged dome
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No, no - we can't do that anymore. People get upset over emojis 😂

blissful perch
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I imagine it tho

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Hey @twilit sky can I request a “soon” emote of some sort? It’ll unironically answer 90% of the questions here

twilit sky
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You can dm dodomail if you have one ark related made to request XD

blissful perch
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I just want to ask less specifically, because I can’t send gifs

twilit sky
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Haha true that

blissful perch
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I don’t have one in mind…but it would prevent me from going insane seeing the same questions and not having a one stop emote answer

twilit sky
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They only like to add like original emotes

twilit sky
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I’ll mention it to the admins maybe they can come up with something

tropic crag
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Yooooo that unironically would be a godly emote for this server and channel in particular

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Just
Soon™️
But as an emote and maybe stylized a bit

winged dome
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May I suggest

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BEEG SOON

winged dome
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Or animated Soon, but its formed like the Ark 'A'

blissful perch
short fulcrum
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Soon...

nova sonnet
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cant wait for the next concept art

tame geode
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It's gotta have the ™ in it.

mint swan
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🐱

south lance
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🐶

winged dome
thick tulip
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🐮

rancid harness
astral token
tropic crag
plain orchid
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One eternity later

keen dragon
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I apologize if this has been asked already, but will we be able to transfer our dinos from ARK:SE into ARK:SA?

eternal wigeon
keen dragon
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Damn.

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But thank you.

runic sluice
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Im hearing that ark 2 is going to be like a souls like type of gameplay. Don’t you think they would ruin the game

eternal wigeon
runic sluice
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Are they changing how the gameplay works ?

eternal wigeon
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Don't know what you mean
ARK Evoled and Ascended will be very similar in gameplay cause it's a remake/remaster

ARK2 is a separate game that will have more changes

runic sluice
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Although ari had a story line it’s completely open world and everything

eternal wigeon
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No clue
There could be a campaign singleplayer story or open world etc

We don't really know much this far out

We are limited in knowledge on Ark Ascended gameplay set to release in October

runic sluice
eternal wigeon
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Ark2 is just out of the question I'm saying

runic sluice
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Ahh ok

eternal wigeon
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They could change anything they say this far out

runic sluice
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I can always count on you king

south lance
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roll and block already exist its just strafe and right click on shield

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ark character speed is most likely going to be way higher than whatever exists in ark2 is my bet

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else the movement mechanics would be way too much

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swamp fever roll under crouch spot

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220% movement speed

split dove
# runic sluice Im hearing that ark 2 is going to be like a souls like type of gameplay. Don’t y...

if you want to know what it's gonna be like it's best to look at the store page for general info shared at this point rather than taking the word of some people that can overexaggerate the basic description of the mechanics. yes there will be souls like combat for players, alongside better traversal options and a third person only perspective and more. the only souls like gameplay so far is the combat wich will just be inspired by Dark souls combat and not a copy paste into a ark setting Bob.

winged dome
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It'll be nice having more than 2 buttons for combat 😂

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Though I'm sure some of our PvP friends might get overwhelmed

split dove
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you don't like autoclicker combat? oh right that's for non skilled players

south mortar
blissful perch
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the gameplay DOES look pretty different

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combat revolving around inputs rather than stats for example is a pretty massive change

true fox
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All we have is cinematic footage so far.

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So pretty much just still speculation

blissful perch
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There’s pretty clear commentary on certain game features

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How it actually looks and plays I agree is largely speculation however. Though we have seen some concept art that arguably is soft confirmation of some things (like the stego or scrap tek)

winged dome
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Not sure what you mean, the Devs haven't gone back on anything as far as Ark2 goes, except the release date and possible bundle with Asc

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We know the combat will be different/updated and there won't be a focus on Tek - everything else is pretty similar. Base building, taming, PvP, open world ...

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Now the specifics of those mechanics might change, but they're still present in some capacity

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I wouldn't go nearly as far as to say it's a completely different game with no relation to the prior

tropic crag
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... Except the things that they said that we've come to believe are core to the game/IP (as Zen said, base building, taming, etc.), which we have to take at face value because if they aren't included, the game is dead on arrival, lol. Those are pretty much guaranteed

lime forge
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Obviously the Ark 2 gameplay is gonna be exactly how I’ve pictured it for the last 4 years

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Oh no. It’s concrete

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EXACTLY how I’ve pictured it

tropic crag
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Clearly you didn't read what I said then, because if the game doesn't have those core features, it's DOA, annd there's no way in hell that WC would do something that stupid

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They won't simply remove building, taming, breeding, etc

winged dome
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I guess I'm not understanding your argument Ber. Of course we haven't seen gameplay yet, but I'm not seeing where the devs have lied and completely changed what the vision of the game was

tropic crag
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Idgaf what you "think it will be", it's obvious what (some of) it will be from a glance is my point, they give us anything less than those core tenets and it's career suicide

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So is the Earth catapulting into the Sun, to be fair...

winged dome
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A fair few things are concrete. There will be base building - we've seen concepts and how it might look. Of course there'll be taming - we've seen some of the creatures and saddles we'll use.

Now the finer mechanics of those are still shrouded in mystery, but I can guarantee you'll be able to make a Rex your friend and ride on its back to monch stuff

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Until we see more gameplay, I wouldn't worry too much on the concreteness of confirmed mechanics/systems. Overall they're there, just trust in that until we see more

tropic crag
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How is that a fallacy? Lol. If anything, assuming another companies actions could dictate the outcome of Ark 2 is false equivalence

winged dome
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Worrying enough to argue with some strangers that whats shown isn't concrete...enough 🤔

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Gameplay and concrete will come when it comes. Until then theres no sense worrying about it. It either will be or will not be the game you want it to be

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Because you're frankly not making sense 😂

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We know theres a lot of information that we just don't know about the game

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But there are things we do know. They might look slightly different from the concept art we've seen, but thats concrete enough for me to know a system (taming/building, ect) is in place

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The details aren't concrete, but the presence of the system is

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And thats good enough for me until we get more info/gameplay 🤷

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Ok, show me the fact
Whats completely different from what they've shown/said?

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You're pointing out a fact - ok, where is it?

tropic crag
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...So, there's no fact, got it

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Cyclical talking is fun

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Can you reply to the fact and @ me? I must have missed it

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I'm asking a legitimate question, though?

winged dome
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So, let me get this right
You're concerned that the final game will not be how the devs say it will be/how concept art shows because that information is not concrete - Ok, thats easy to understand. Lack of confidence in the devs/difference in vision for how the game should be.

But you're also able to understand that things might be different and thats ... also ok?

What is the argument here?
What is the point you're trying to make

Explain it like I'm 5 because I truly don't understand what you're trying to say

tropic crag
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Liteally haven't been trolling at all either so that's an unfair thing to say

winged dome
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Also the devs are liars apparently and have changed the game? Despite knowing and understanding the game might be different from the concepts. Explain that one to me too

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Ok, I see the root of at least my confusion
Human Element
Is that a game or something? Because I thought you meant like the actual human element of Devs chatting openly about a game

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Google tells me it is a game, a cancelled one at that

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Ok, so your whole point makes a lot more sense now 😂
Funny how just one or two misinterpreted words can throw off a whole meaning of a statement

tropic crag
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I took that as like, Element, from the game lmao

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Very strange name for a game, also completely threw me for a loop

blissful perch
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I think we disagree here about what concrete is about. At the time of information release, stuff like the stego and weapon concept arts ARE concrete. It means that there WILL be a stego in ark 2 and there WILL be modular weapon crafting - at least that’s what currently exists in the ark 2 that’s being developed

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It’s not hard confirmation that it’ll be in the product we play, but it’s concrete news of what WC is currently planning on/is currently making. That’s kinda all we can ask for this far away from the release date

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I’m interested in confirmation of concrete things that are planned for development “at the time the news came out”, because that’s…where ark 2 is right now. Nobody knows what ark 2 at release is like, but WC sure knows what they’re working on 😅. Seeing concrete information about the “draft” is pretty cool. The final product and concrete facts about that will come close to release…because that’s when stuff is final.

rancid harness
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Just cuz they know what they want to do doesn't mean they can 👌

blissful perch
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Correct. However, it does give us insight into their development, which I find valuable for its own sake

winged dome
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That's mostly how I see it too. Concept art shows us what the devs are trying to accomplish, there might be some differences in the final product but the overall concept is there and that's good enough for me

lime forge
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They’ve only announced a very small portion. We haven’t even seen the concept art for fireballs yet.

blissful perch
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If I see concept art for fireballs I will experience a day of reckoning

blissful perch
sacred glade
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On ark ascended and ark 2 there will be good anti cheat or with good moderation or its will be abandoned so we will buy a game with full cheater and therefore play unofficial and for the shot if we buy a game it is to play these game mode ??

winged dome
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We don't know yet what sort of anti-cheat measures are planned for either

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But always assume if you're playing the least populated game mode then you do so at your own risk

blissful perch
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The gamemode in most dire need of moderation and greatest incentive to cheat will be the most risky

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Until you see those resolved, I’d be cautious about getting either if my goal was official

bold fable
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Hi

winged dome
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Officials also likely has the worst servers/players to moderators ratio, so stuff tends to get missed

winged dome
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I think it's getting more to the point of what constitutes 'concrete' confirmation, which is open to individual interpretation. The Stego concept art -in my opinion- concretely confirms there will be a Stego in Ark2. Exactly how it looks, how it behaves, ect is not concretely confirmed since it's just a concept art - but for me it's concrete enough to know 'Stego gonna be in Ark2' and that's good enough

tropic crag
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Yeah, they won't just show a creature planned for the game and not put it in, that'd be the biggest blunder since Halo Infinite not having multiplayer on launch

blissful perch
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The whiff here is that when I say “concrete” I mean “concrete at the time of the news”

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As of the day it came out as concept art, the stego was planned AT THAT TIME for ark 2. That’s as concrete as you can get at this stage

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Someone made a product (and was paid) that showed a game feature that WC intended to add at the time we got the news. Is it for sure to be in ark 2? No. Is it still a concrete piece of insight into development? Yes

wispy sierra
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rare occurence of a discord argument ending respectfully, very based

thorny slate
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Does anyone know if we will have Ark2 (For Sure) by Christmas 2025?

wispy sierra
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no

winged dome
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2025? Probably, but we don't have concrete confirmation evil_g

thorny slate
winged dome
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Current release is expected late 2024, so I don't think they'll need another year

astral tiger
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Idk early 2025 is def possible

winged dome
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Hopefully, but time will tell 🙂

blissful perch
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I’m down for this stance

fallow niche
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We don't know

tame geode
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Not sure, but I know some peeps made a forum post to try and get the devs attention to add smalls servers on launch.

umbral vine
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is there any further idea of the skills and such that are talked about in the games description?

winged dome
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Nothing but speculation

nova junco
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Am I missing something or is there no new ASA info since June 30th? Why do I feel like it's going to be delayed again lol

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"We intend to keep showing you guys progress on the visual changes between ARK:SE and ASA in the lead-up to the game's launch."

tropic crag
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...Are the creature votes not good enough or something?

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Looks pretty ASA to me

worldly garden
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Of course the creatures are ASA news, but it's pretty clear what they mean by new ASA info based on the quote they showed.

Also with other crunches saying stuff like "Keep an eye out on future Community Crunches because every other week we'll be revealing new assets so you get an artistic impression of what "Remaster" means in ARK Survival Ascended." doesn't really help when they go a whole month without anything.

harsh spear
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im still concerned that snail employees gonna have admin powers in asa servers since they havent said anything and keep promoting conquest as if nothing has happened

wanton pike
winged dome
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Don't play Official then 👍

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Or at least any server set that specifically says 'not monitored by Wildcard'

harsh spear
tropic crag
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There's also nothing saying that official is run by Wildcard in the game, your point?

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And regardless, the assumption that they will be allowed to do what they do now in ASE but in ASA is a poor one, as it's already been stated that Wildcard won't be putting microtransactions or the like (requests I'm sure have come at the behest of Snail, at some point) in the games, and I doubt the refusal of concessions stops there

nova sonnet
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a month is too long

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give us a tek suit v2!!

winged dome
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Y'know, something that always kinda bothered me about Tek Suits in Ark1.

Why are they rusty/crusty around the seams?

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Just let me be clean and shiny futureman

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Federation Suit is clean though. Literally and design wise 👌
Good looking futureman suit

thick tulip
nova sonnet
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black and purple suit 🔥

winged dome
tropic crag
winged dome
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Yeah, the spikey design is neat too. I prefer the smoother Fed but they're both pretty good (minus the rust)

tropic forge
untold ingot
blissful perch
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Hmm, the initial thing she’s referring to isn’t visible anymore

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But I’m not shocked at the lows the gaming community has decided to stoop to

winged dome
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Not even just gaming, people online with any shred of anonymity can get toxic as hell

rotund violet
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what is snail games and why are people trash talkin them

split dove
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snails that game duh

tropic forge
winged dome
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Publishers that acquired Studio WildCard a while ago. Chinese company. They tend to try and acquire IPs and shamelessly rip them off for cash grabs

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See: PixArk

eternal wigeon
rotund violet
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I see now

winged dome
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Only reason that pertains to me 😂

Oh also, I guess they had an Insider Dev working with an Official tribe who would ban/wipe other players trying to raid the Dev tribe

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Was it just TEA, or also NO NO NO? I don't remember but both had enough drama for me to recognize the names

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Enough players complained, so WC split the servers and created Legacy Official, which is moderated by Snail

eternal wigeon
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And conquest

royal egret
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Bruh asa will be on early access until 2024 so better getting ark 2 direct

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And no new dlc for asa

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I mean story dlc

eternal wigeon
split dove
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Ark 2 is also gonna be a early access launch title, wich alongside the signed limited timed exclusive deal Wildcard made with Xbox is why Playstation will get it later

royal egret
eternal wigeon
royal egret
eternal wigeon
royal egret
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I bet it will be delayed

desert swallow
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That's like betting the sun will come rise tomorrow.

winged dome
split dove
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his source is clickbait youtube videos

eternal wigeon
fallow niche
# royal egret I heard same but the latest site says nothing about it bro they also removed man...

Could read the information yourself and check it out beesmile2

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-368-asa-roadmap-update-asa-comparison-and-more-r2126/

winged dome
stray elm
untold ingot
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Well, short walls were removed so there is that

winged dome
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Railings 🤔

royal egret
fallow niche
royal egret
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But they dint mention either that's what other games do and say SoRrY wE dInT hAvE tImE FoR iT

fallow niche
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Why would they mention something if they didn't remove anything..? I'm mildly confused.

winged dome
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Just Ark Chatter Things™️

royal egret
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Bro read the features they dint mention some of the old ones in New

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And mentioned the rest

winged dome
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...
B-

Because if it's an old feature...

It's not new.

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🤦‍♂️

royal egret
fallow niche
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They're only going to mention new features for a new game. They likely won't mention old content in ASA while they're giving roadmap and ASA updates.

royal egret
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The things they said before are not mentioned some of them are removed and yes they are new features that's what I mean

fallow niche
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What things?

royal egret
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Just check ur self bro

fallow niche
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I don't know what to check because you're being very confusing and not giving any examples of content.

royal egret
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Open the one they said 1st then second then third see how slowly things they are removing

fallow niche
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They're not removing any of the new features. Each link is an update to add or rephrase the dates involving ASA.

split dove
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my guys brain went extinct alongside the dodo

royal egret
fallow niche
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That's...not how that works 😅

winged dome
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Maybe he's from the future, warning us about what's to come 😂

split dove
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the future of asa official players?

winged dome
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Not just complaining about things in the present or the future, now they've figured out to complain in the past!

hardy barn
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So when is ark ascended being released i forgot

winged dome
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Most recent date is October

gaunt bluff
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prob november 2025

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followed by ark2 in march 2033

winged dome
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Oh man, that's a good one!
Come up with that yourself?

nova sonnet
nova junco
mint swan
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I mean, I wholeheartedly expect ASA to be delayed again til next year

tropic crag
worldly garden
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Wildcard have never explicitly said "timed" exclusive, they have only ever said "launch" exclusive. But pretty much means the same thing.

tropic crag
mellow coyote
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ark 1 is so bugged so hopefully ark 2 isnt

tropic crag
worldly garden
tropic crag
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Thanks, I must've missed that the first time

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Well, that's good to know for the PS players I guess

lime forge
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Jat specifically said “ASA is releasing in October”

bronze elbow
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When will ASA be out to buy?

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oh nevermind

bronze elbow
lime forge
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🫡

thorn jackal
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Ark 2 will be in mobile ? 👀

worldly garden
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Nothing confirmed on that yet.

thorn jackal
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Ok thx

nova sonnet
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i'd love to see the pegomastex in ARK 2

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i think that would be really cool!

blissful perch
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Only if I get my seagulls

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Seagulls >>>>> pegos

lime forge
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Fireballs or nothing

short fulcrum
thorn jackal
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2026 ?😅

nova sonnet
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no amount of backlash or deleted messages (why?) will change my mind.

blissful perch
split dove
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🔫 disappointn

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he shall pay for his crimes of extisting

nova sonnet
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shat ap

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you will NOT SLANDER the best creature in the game

thick tulip
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Guess you guys never got RKO off a wyvern by a microraptor before lol

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Bravest little assholes ever smh

blissful perch
blissful perch
winged dome
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Pegos you at least have a chance to get your stuff back. Once a Seagull takes it, it's gone.

blissful perch
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But the seagull only takes food, and it does so after circling you, cawing, and then coming in. If your food is on your tame -> no theft

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It also has the most optimal hitbox in the entire game, which renders it nearly immortal

winged dome
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Any consumables, and entire stacks at that. Fertilized eggs, MedBrews, Kibble, stacks of Narcotics which for some reason don't knock it out - all forever gone as soon as it touches you

blissful perch
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It’s the ultimate beach troll

split dove
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should've just placed a auto turret around you wherever you go smh

blissful perch
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I would never argue it’s a well intentioned lad. The seagull is pure troll energy

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However, that may in fact result in the seagull being the most accurate to life creature in the entire game

fallow niche
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Meanwhile in ark

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blissful perch
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This will need to also happen in ark 2

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Beaches should be endgame, and seagulls should be the final boss

split dove
mint swan
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@tropic crag you're right. I keep forgetting they are doing one map and creatures and all at a time. Idk, I hope it comes out in Oct. but I still expect to be delayed again. WC delays like crazy 😂

tropic crag
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Honestly, they have delayed a few things in a rather erratic manner, but not really that much or that many things though, I think that's one of the few misconceptions in the community that I just don't see the reason for

winged dome
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Afaik aside from Scorched which was pretty short from teasers to release, every major release has been delayed at least once. Some multiple times

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Handful of the early access patches were delayed too, but that's understandable since the game was still fresh and developing

blissful perch
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The issue imo is the obsession over release date

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People need to learn to chill out and not take time off for this imo 😅

winged dome
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Furreal, but WC could also keep dates close to their chest until content is actually ready for release

nova sonnet
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i don't care what wildcard does, so as long as cheating problem goes away

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have no reason to get pissy about ark 2 delay when no one knows what it look like 😂

winged dome
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Ark2 for example was revealed way before it probably should have been

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Then we got a year and a half delay

nova sonnet
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zero gameplay too

winged dome
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I don't mind waiting, but it is a long time to wait

blissful perch
tropic forge
blissful perch
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I meant players obsess over it

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You already see how many people BEG for dates and information here

winged dome
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Scorched was a pretty ideal release, discounting the controversy of DLC in an Early Access state. There was only a week or two of 'Mysterious Mysteries' teasers, then the reveal trailer was the same day it released

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I don't really remember people begging for info or dates, but that was also before Discord was really a thing. Had to use Reddit 🤢

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But if a date is given, then missed (repeatedly) then people get understandable upset. Also, people expect more information as the expected date gets closer. It's a lose-lose situation if deadlines are missed and/or content isn't ready to show

tropic forge
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old school work like a charm, magazines only talk about games about to pop and there was never a game mention to come up in the following years, but whit internet that start to change little bit but whit early access and the triple A companies starting to tease whit a pic of the new game of theirs to comes in years not month's that become trend which is why this happens now

winged dome
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Imagine having to pay for a subscription to see new upcoming releases 😬
Sounds like an EA (the company) thing to do

tropic forge
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well i already sough ppl paying to play test run

winged dome
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I meant like EA the company

tropic forge
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wait youre not joking?

winged dome
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They would if they could get away with it. But the backlash would be horrendous, plus kinda hard to do now with information being so readily available and content sharing being nearly impossible to control

blissful perch
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EA never cared about backlash

pine basin
tropic forge
winged dome
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A fantasy

tropic forge
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damn i petty ppl that dint play games that were good and whitout problems

tropic crag
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No game has no problems, even Pong had issues at times

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To think otherwise is foolish

winged dome
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It took Final Fantasy 8 games to get the Magic Defense stat to actually do anything 😂

untold ingot
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I mean, every game has problems. If you played a game that didn't, it's because either you viewed it's problems as features, or you didn't play competitively enough

tropic crag
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Or didn't play enough period

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As this does apply to singleplayer games as well

blissful perch
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There is ofc a question of defining problems as issues of polish or design, but I suspect that’s another classic ark semantics debate I dunno if I want to dive into

winged dome
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All I know is ASA better keep those square trees

south lance
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sp games can be bugless

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effectively anyhow

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but then youre comparing 50 hours to 5000 hours gameplay

tropic crag
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Not functionally, but yes you can run into 0 bugs in a given playthrough, sure

south lance
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ya

tropic crag
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Then there's the issue of if you think/mistake a bug for a feature, etc etc

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I used to think that becoming a werewolf vampire lord hybrid in Skyrim was an intended mechanic 😅

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Turns out, I just happened to glitch it perfectly

south lance
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a lot of exploits become features

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its what makes vanilla minecraft continue to be a thing i think

tropic crag
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True and real

south lance
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ultimately all that matters is whether they are enjoyable

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shooting people through walls vs exp farm

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the former is a real mechanic tho in a lot of games xd

eternal wigeon
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An exploit that's a feature in ark for example is the "double grapple" glitch

Allows you to drag someone over weight cross map
Can even fly them with a Drake or griffen, old school, no tek needed

In pvp, people have used it to rocket run into walls/structures flying themselves in

untold ingot
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Grapple glitching is absurdly broken

eternal wigeon
untold ingot
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Doesn't mean it's not absurdly broken

thick tulip
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cant decide if "ghost walls" on raft is a feature or a bug lol

untold ingot
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Ghost walls?

thick tulip
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when the raft is in motion, things pass right through the walls

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including the abovementioned ichthyornis lol

untold ingot
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It's not really anything

winged dome
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I think that's more of an engine limitation than a bug

thick tulip
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prob

untold ingot
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I mean the issue of dymanic mesh shows up in basically every game ever made

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Look at cod for example, it's a billion dollar game, and you still clip through structures sometimes

potent hull
# tropic crag True and real

do you think when asa leves early access will they resets the servers or no i her cross platform will not be in asa way it is in early access

winged dome
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Dunno

main vigil
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i didn't expect the yi qi concept art this weekend, that was fast

winged dome
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Wording of the post suggests the Devs are going to be tweaking its abilities a bit from the original submission

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But that's a fine looking Floof

winged dome
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December for transfers/Scorched Earth

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Actually, I might be wrong on the no-crossplay

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Dunno why I thought it

tropic crag
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I was pretty sure the crossplay was tied to the transfers too, but idk I don't really care enough to have memorized it lol

thick tulip
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I thought Yi Qi won the poll

winged dome
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Guess they thought YiLing sounded better

thick tulip
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Lol but it's wrong tho

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Don't understand lol

winged dome
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Doesn't matter that much. Floofy raptor boi in Aberration

thick tulip
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The terms were a real world creature and there's no such thing as a Yi Ling...

fallow niche
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Yes I've got the screenshot for confirmation Zen, lol

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I saw the 👀

winged dome
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I was going to ask for a link to the post because I'm lazy, but that works too 😂

fallow niche
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Screenshots are quicker for me lol

winged dome
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I try to keep out of cesspool General as much as I can iseer

fallow niche
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pepeshrug happens

tropic forge
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its just me that find more interesting the clip of fusion dinos rather that stupid creature that as nothing on ab???

winged dome
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Try again

desert swallow
coarse root
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Hi

untold ingot
untold ingot
winged dome
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I'll take your word for it, this channel is generally pretty chill

chrome lodge
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Where can I find the submission for the yi qi ?

proper mango
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what will happen to ark when ark 2 comes out

lime forge
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Um. Remember what happened to black ops 1 when black ops 2 released? Probably the same thing.

untold ingot
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Asa is specifically designed so that it can run in tandem with ark2. Ark2 is not an ark1 replacement

chrome lodge
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Why I don't have the permission to watch the submission it's a bug or it's normal ?

lime forge
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Plus need so many posts

remote knot
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Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

lime forge
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Breh

chrome lodge
lime forge
stiff jungle
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will ark 2 have dino sex

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i want hav secs with dilophosorus

tight egret
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Will ark 2 have PC and ps together?

winged dome
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No confirmed Playstation release at this time

loud moat
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will there be ark 2?

polar hearth
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Expecting way more delays on Ark 2 so wouldn’t be surprise it’s late 2024

blissful perch
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@winged dome I think it’s time for verified

winged dome
thick tulip
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my issue is: Yi Qi was a creature IRL...there is no such thing as a Yi Ling. the real creature was voted in so why change it into a fake creature when all other submissions were real things

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makes no sense to me

winged dome
thick tulip
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then why not change its abilities to make it more realistic

winged dome
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I think the submissions guidelines was it had to be based off a real creature

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Not meaning it had to be 1:1

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We also don't know the abilities of the creature yet, the wording of the Crunch post seems to suggest they'll be tweaking the abilities

thick tulip
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if they change a community voted creature, there is no reason to add the "real world" requirement to submissions

winged dome
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Eh, whatever.
It's a fantasy dinosaur game, I don't think it really matters that much what a creature is called

thick tulip
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bc it limits submissions for no reason

thick tulip
winged dome
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End of the day, we're still going to get 20 lion/cheetah submissions, dozens of 'holy crap that thing is overpower's, and a couple Dumb Ducks

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All with their submitters begging for votes and flooding channels

thick tulip
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yeah, i'm not leading the "cows in Ark" charge anymore lol just crossing my fingers for Ark2 🤣

tropic crag
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...That's not how ranked voting works 😅

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It's a ranked vote, so the "tier list" some call it in the vote is used to determine your ranking of the creatures, aka if you put the yi qi first, it will be your number one vote and will be counted until it gets eliminated (if it even does), then the next creature is your number one until either it wins with the new vote count or is also eliminated, does that make sense? I'm not an expert mind you, but I'm preeeeeetty sure that's how it works

winged dome
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I think that's how it works 👍

tropic crag
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Understandable lol, I didn't get quite what a ranked vote was when they first introduced it tbh

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But now that I do, I carefully place my votes so as to not get the gorgonops (i.e., put it at the bottom every time 😂 )

split dove
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all my homies hate the gorgon

tropic crag
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All my homies hate gorgon too 😤

main vigil
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whats wrong with the gorgon?

tropic crag
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It's just not interesting, literally the same issue as the Yi-Qi. If they make it have some crazy ability it didn't have or make it bigger than it realistically was/change the name slightly, everyone complains. If they don't do those things, and just have it... smell low health creatures, and maybe also sense explorer notes/hidden creatures such as purlovia (an ability that imo ASA purlovia should have, not the parasaur), then everyone complains still. It's a lose-lose creature and allows very little innovation or cool game design 🤷‍♂️ .

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Yi-Qi actually has some neat suggested abilities, though. Wasn't my number one, not even top 5, but I'm interested in what they do with it at the very least

split dove
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prime example being the dinopithecus, everyone voted for ''hahaha funny monkey with guns'' and look what we got

tropic crag
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Wholeheartedly agree, the abilities should be completely ignored by the voter imo. They may take the abilities for the official creature, they may not. So why fret over something that isn't a guarantee? The creature itself, however... if it gets voted in, it more or less looks how it should, most times even cooler

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Lmao, would definitely vote for that

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Center is THE map for a water adjacent tame as well imo, maybe an amphibian creature that works similar to the ferox (and also sings sea shanties 😂 )

winged dome
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Gives Yuty Courage buff to players
Bard Shoulder Pet 👍

tropic crag
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I lived on a raft on The Center 805 for like the first year of the game 😅

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Same, here's hoping we get that back, if only for a short while after ASA release

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I definitely don't miss raising things just inside the cave entrances, tbh, but that's moreso because of the raise times back then

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Taming my first spino in the iceberg under green ob was horrendous

nova sonnet
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try not to vote big OP carnivore challenge (LEVEL: IMPOSSIBLE)

winged dome
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To be fair, the Rhyio was medium sized until the devs hit it with Gamma Radiation and made it massive

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Hopefully they don't do the same with Faso and Yi -
Faso should be like ... Carno sized. Yi, maybe a bit smaller

blissful perch
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Try to pose a herbivore that isn’t either broken or an actual cow (level: impossible)

winged dome
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Gigantoraptor ... he big 😂

split dove
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i'd say having another creature help you with raising dinos (something that already takes some time) is kinda broken for not having to afk as much more likely 😂

winged dome
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I didn't even read what it does, isn't that basically already the Maewing?

split dove
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iirc it's also supposed to help with raising dinos. yh basicly meawing but big herbivore chicken

winged dome
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🤷 lame creature for lame map

split dove
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Once matured to adulthood, your tamed Gigantoraptor will happily look after any of your tribe’s young creatures, nurturing them and teaching them how to fight. It can even use its call to help you find orphaned baby animals out in the wild. If you bring those orphans home, then your Gigantoraptor will happily add them to its brood.

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perfect fit for rag 🤣

astral token
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Giga Raptor might be good, with wild babies in ASA

blissful perch
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🤦‍♂️

split dove
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it's quite easy actually, removing stat breeding and keep colours only

blissful perch
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The mechanic is bad y’all - making it take less time and automating it won’t fix it

split dove
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i sure hope they change breeding heavily for ark 2

split dove
blissful perch
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Just because I know doesn’t mean I always remember lol

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Ofc people will do the same for ark 2…but hopefully those folks are after a different experience

winged dome
split dove
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i sure am after a new and refreshing/better ark experience 👴

blissful perch
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I want the best part of ark (the scrappy survival part) to be the entire experience

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Ark 2 sounds like it could do that for me

split dove
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from what info we have right now, that seems the way Wildcard wants to go with Ark 2

winged dome
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Hope so. Breeding should give imprint bonus, and that's it. I like my number increases as much as the next guy, but that's all it needs to be

split dove
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Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right.

split dove
verbal wind
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if they can make any bosses more skill based than numbers based that would be great

split dove
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i just want to fight a boss or anything without putting on a autoclicker and going to sleep while the tanking hp goes down

verbal wind
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all ark bosses are easy if you have big enough numbers, and some are painfully easy with the right dinos

winged dome
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Kinda hope different bosses have different drag weight (or similar Ark2 mechanic) limits. Not just 'hur durr, Rex against everything'

I want a boss specifically for smaller tames, ect

verbal wind
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like after meg tlc Moeder is easy with 14 wild tame megs

split dove
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hehehhe bleed dmg go brrrr (this is a cry for balance help)

winged dome
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^ me with my Deinons on current playthrough

verbal wind
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MCC was the most interesting boss fight

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too bad it was on the worst map ever

blissful perch
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Hold up

split dove
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he ain''t wrong

blissful perch
#

Genesis 1 was excellent if you pretend many things don’t exist

winged dome
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Like the landmarks
oh wait

verbal wind
#

like the missions

blissful perch
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Many of those missions weren’t half bad

verbal wind
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and having to tp between sections of the map

blissful perch
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I loved yeeting dodos for example

split dove
#

like the biome transitions

oh wait a minute

verbal wind
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some of the missions were alright

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it's the fact that you have to do practically all of them to do the boss that sucks

winged dome
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Having to do each mission on each difficulty is what sucked the most. Huge TLC if doing Alpha gave credit for Beta and Gamma too

verbal wind
#

yes

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so much yes

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still a problem on gen 2

split dove
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ah yes masochism strats, do the worst one first and smash your head in approven

winged dome
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And take away the stupid damage reduction on X dinos

verbal wind
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doing the higher difficulty should automatically unlock the easier ones

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also the gen 1 mission areas blocking building

blissful perch
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I also wish missions were better tailored for certain challenges

verbal wind
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because you didn't want to build in half the fucking map anyway!

blissful perch
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Gen 2 kinda got close where it didn’t allow a billion tames in code red…but as said above I really want to see a raptor size class mission

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The problem is that mutations totally ruin balance…so you need floods of stupid high level creatures to pose a remote challenge to people

verbal wind
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gen 2 did a lot better in allowing you to access missions from any terminal

blissful perch
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Factor in capped gear and it’s even more cancer

split dove
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that wouldn't be as required if gen 1 brutes didn't take 80% less dmg on alpha lol

verbal wind
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i had a giga that curbstomped gamma and beta brutes

blissful perch
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But that’s required to test people with capped tames

verbal wind
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then i got absolutely destroyed by alpha brute

blissful perch
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That’s the lame thing

winged dome
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Haha... Yeah, Brutes are a problem ...
Me cheeseing with a Basilisk

verbal wind
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the alpha missions require you to mutate to a high level

blissful perch
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The creature is identical in all difficulties, and you gotta do the same stuff. You just need way higher numbers for alpha so it’s time to grind mutations? 😶‍🌫️

verbal wind
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or bring an army of deinon/allo/thyla to bleed it to fuck and back

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or hell, bring in a carch since that thing is basically a giga but better in most every way

blissful perch
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I have to give my respect to WC for introducing bleed

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I’d be in a really hard place seeing 300k hp mutated tames and trying to figure out how to try to add something that can hurt them based on %max hp

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Since obviously I can’t just delete people’s tames or remove the tank role from the game

blissful perch
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Unrelated, but do we think tames and wild creatures will also be able to mantle?

winged dome
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What is mantling, anyway?

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Like ... parkour? Or using coverings/layers? Both could be applicable 🤔

split dove
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A mantle is when you push down on a hold and bring feet up to meet hands. A classic example of mantling is at the top of a climb when you need to pull yourself onto the ledge.

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can't wait for my rex to rip it's muscles trying to mantle on the volcano 🤣

blissful perch
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Having tames hop/climb up things

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I’d also love more actual climbing. Being chased up a tree and through the canopy by a thyla for example would be pretty scary

winged dome
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Maybe. Framework from Deinonychus climbing is already kinda there, shouldn't be too much of a stretch to adapt and improve

blissful perch
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I certainly see it as possible…but idk if it can be a bit less painful and more smooth

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I’ve also never once seen a deino climb AFTER anything…but I’d be horrified watching one scale a cliff after me

winged dome
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Yeah, wild creatures just ... forgetting their abilities exist is kinda weird 😂

blissful perch
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Having the ai use abilities (and do so a bit more smart than “use instantly when off CD” like wyverns do) would be a pretty sweet step up

pine basin
pine basin
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Maybe the new engine will be able to cope with that

winged dome
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Drakes are the only one of that list that continue to climb when wild. Thylas and Megalania always drop and stick to the floor once aggroed, and never leave it after

blissful perch
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Bugs/ai pathing is probably why they don’t have those creatures use it

pine basin
pine basin
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But they are limited because of the engine

winged dome
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At least for full surface climbing, the AI is there. Drakes do it

pine basin
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My whole point was about the “they forget” part 😂

winged dome
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Megalania: paraWhat

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Gotcha

pine basin
blissful perch
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But these are also passives. We don’t for example ever see wild drakes using the pounce

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Imagine getting deleted by it though 😶‍🌫️

pine basin
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We should have more of those TLCs during the ASA lifecycle

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That way older creatures wouldn’t look so outdated

blissful perch
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Asa…IS the TLC

pine basin
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And they’ve decided to release it as an early access tittle

winged dome
pine basin
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Which means we will have new and better creatures

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And older and outdated ones

split dove
winged dome
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I've had one slam my Drake from below and push me up with it once. Dealt like 7k damage 😬

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Those chain hits are nasty

split dove
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drake the true dps king from ab

winged dome
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I remember getting into an argument with someone on why Drakes have crazy DPS, I loaded into single player and took down Alpha Brood in 2 pounces 😂

nova sonnet
#

ASA ext dino should be affiliated with the oil / sulfur regions of the map

split dove
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you really expect people to vote for something that fits the map? they're only voting based on how broken/unbalanced the creature is presented as, unlike what it looks like bc the abilities can always be changed by Wildcard (Dinopithecus funny gun monkey)

tropic crag
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Would be neat if the creature were fitting though, as that's the one biome/zone that really doesn't have a specific creature (aside from the corruption forest or whatever it's called, but I wouldn't hold my breath on a tame existing there uncorrupted tbh)

winged dome
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I just want a tameable Defense Unit. That's the rollyboi we need. Forget the Motoball or whatever stupid pill bug was suggested for Ab.

tropic crag
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All the robot creatures should have a craftable or tamable variant ohno_h

winged dome
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Bonus points for letting us use it to play Mek Futbol/Soccer in Sanctuary Park

blissful perch
winged dome
#

Viable Mechanic play style 🙏

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Let me love my machines

blissful perch
blissful perch
winged dome
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Not in a single hit, mind

blissful perch
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Well yea but pouncing is broken and can chain hit for no reason lol

winged dome
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But if they get the right angle and the knock back pushes you back into their pounce path 😬

nova sonnet
keen dragon
tropic crag
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I think that's the Ark 2 carno, not the ASA one 😅

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(They're talking about ASA just to clear things up)

blissful perch
winged dome
#

New Saber looks like something actually worth using

iron radish
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(with Tek dinos included at least(

winged dome
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Yeah, but I want rolly bois to add to my collection

quiet escarp
#

I hope ark 2 is awesome and allows for tribes of all sizes and fun pvp without having to worry about offline raiding

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Like maybe straight orp is not the only option but being able to store stuff in a character ☁️

winged dome
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Eh, there'd need to be limits on how much stuff can be uploaded, and for how long. Otherwise alt accounts could just store everything valuable indefinitely

blissful perch
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I can imagine a world where cryo fridges are replaced with a tame UI that in essence stores stuff per character…and it’s linked to the one who did the tame so you couldn’t eZ circumvent with alts

winged dome
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Maybe not just tamer since then you couldn't trade or raid for tamed creatures. But a bonding period or something could work to switch ownership and allow transfer/uploading

pine basin
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Of course it all depends on how long ASA’s life cycle will be

blissful perch
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Ahhhh

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My hope is ASA releases all the maps, the final DLC, then slowly closes development in favor of ark 2. But that depends on the success of both games

tropic crag
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My question then is, what's to say they aren't already TLCing dinos in the process of making ASA? I think that'd be a no brainer, but idk

split dove
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can't wait to see the UE5 anky model doing it's demonic ragdoll in ASA

blissful perch
tropic crag
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Well that's just silly lol

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Why TLC them if they do it in the process?

blissful perch
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He’s thinking (perhaps correctly) that WC will power creep the ASA creatures, or make improvements in AI/complexity such that TLC is needed

split dove
tropic crag
blissful perch
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If asa lasts as long as ASE, that’s 8 years of development…a lot can change and/or improve in that time. Maybe TLC will be needed for some asa stuff by then

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He’s not saying TLC of ASE creatures shouldn’t happen ahead of ASA’s launch. He’s just saying that more TLC during ASA’s life would be good

tropic crag
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The only thing I can see happening that makes a TLC of any base ASA creatures past the already-basically-guaranteed TLCs in the works make sense is the new creatures in the new DLC being poorly balanced, but I have faith that won't happen and they'll find niches for those creatures to fill and not just give them better versions of base creature's abilities

blissful perch
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Hold up

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We have yet to see…first pass balance being flawless 😅

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It’s an unrealistic expectation for anyone (WC included) to get it right without some level of revisiting

split dove
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  • removed stat mutations
tropic crag
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Sure, but if it is, why TLC it for no reason? A minor stat tweak wouldn't count as a TLC in this scenario by the by

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By TLC, I mean like the previous ones (either major stat changes or entire reworks/remodels)

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Not entirely sure what they mean by a TLC, to be fair

blissful perch
split dove
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if only disappointn

blissful perch
tropic crag
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Right, especially with all the other, imo more important work they have ahead of them

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Just get ASA out in it's entirety, then focus on balance stuff (barring any crazy busted glitches/duping/cheaters)

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Rather have the whole metaphorical content slab laid out to look at and get feedback on than just one or two maps/dinos/whatever else not meshing together well and having everyone in an uproar about it

blissful perch
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I mean TLC really only makes sense if the creature is basically worthless

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Saber and areno imo are the two most in need for ASA launch, but maybe there will be others at launch that need similar love down the line

tropic crag
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Saber is honestly fine, besides maybe taking it out of the game as it's unnecessary 😂 . The one creature I really think deserves a TLC is the plesi, that poor thing is actually functionally useless and uglier than sin to boot, the araneo could do with a little boost too I guess, gotta say I do love the little guys and them getting included in the breeding TLC was a step in the right direction

blissful perch
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Saber is, of the old raptor/saber/direwolf trio, by far left behind with nothing going for it

tropic crag
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And I know sabertooth tigers are like... iconic to the genre, for some reason, but it's useless and no amount of tweaking besides an entire rework, redesign, and functionality pass would do it any justice or make it different enough

split dove
blissful perch
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Spiders are a best example case of “built as a wild cave tame and not a player tame”

tropic crag
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I used to use spiders for a few things, but yeah mostly useless even after the breeding TLC, but at least I can make them look good? Also, the Aberrant araneo still breed out normal ones, last I checked... hope they fix that, at least 😅

blissful perch
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Uselessly slow when ridden, downright useless stats, and the only ability (a slow) still isn’t enough for the spider to catch anything lol (except maybe a default speed player)

tropic crag
split dove
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give me my spooder-spider goddammit

blissful perch
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Onyc is the partner in crime useless tame

tropic crag
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Onyc is actually useless, araneo have the web slowdown ability

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Onyc don't even give rabies to enemy players when tamed any more lmao

blissful perch
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Onyc at minimum fly behind you while you ride something useful 😅

#

But they are without a doubt useless. No question there

tropic crag
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I do hope they TLC at least the plesi though on the way to ASA, it is the most useless tame 100% and I think we can all agree there

blissful perch
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Plesi is hard outclassed

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But it IS a tame. Onyc, areno, and saber are flat out useless

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Tame a raptor (it’s easier) and you outclass all 3

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A plesi hits as hard as a…rex right? Carno?

tropic crag
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No unique abilities, and is just a filler tame. I think that weighs it as more useless than any of the others tbh (AND it's a water tame, to boot 🤣 )

#

Onyc still has armor break (although is outclassed by arthro hard), and araneo has the webs and armor break iirc, saber I concede is functionally useless aside from like... increased chitin gain, woooooooo...

blissful perch
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The plesi has a platform saddle

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That’s…pretty unique

tropic crag
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So does mosa

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Lol

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Which, imo, is easier to tame

blissful perch
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If you can find one. Plesi spawn rates are higher on the island at least…I keep finding Garbo mosas there

tropic crag
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Plesi neck hitbox go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

blissful perch
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The aquatic tame hitboxes in ark are flat out horrendous tho, can’t deny that

tropic crag
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I never have that bad a time on the island, but maybe that's just me

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It's tusos that are near impossible to find there, at least good lvl ones

blissful perch
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But solidly outclassed ≠ worthless. I’d be crapping myself if I was swimming and someone stepped up with a plesi

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If I saw a spider or a bat, I’d laugh

tropic crag
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Until they slow you and break your armor, sure

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Plesi just doesn't have the oomph to do jack squat

blissful perch
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A bat is so slow and useless…and takes additional ranged damage…that if you find a way to have trouble with it that’s on you

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Same is true of a spider 99% of the time, since if you have eyes you can see it moving at 0mph or it’s thrown out of cryo…by which point you can leave before it’s even mounted

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A plesi is a fast water tame of enough size and damage to at least exist. It’s powercrept something awful, and it’s certainly in dire need of TLC. But it’s not downright useless

tropic crag
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Onyc and araneo breed out in half and one forth the time respectively, and are meant to be used in groups, to be fair

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Besides, if you're using araneo as anything more than a turret, you're doin it wrong lol

blissful perch
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Tamed bat swarms is a meme the likes of which I never expected

tropic crag
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It works ridiculously well 😂

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Especially in cave bases or tight corridors, for obvious reasons

untold ingot
tropic crag
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If you are just playing off the meta and not actually having fun playing PvP, you're doing it the wrongest RexFingerGuns

desert swallow
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Did you know the araneo is a source of raw meat and chitin, and can also be used as a taming buddy!?

blissful perch
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I just can’t quite accept plesi is worse than areno and bat

tropic crag
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And that's okay, to each their own

untold ingot
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I mean, it would be pretty easy to accept that all are terrible if you got into a fight with anyone

desert swallow
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There isn't much on water that can be better done on land

untold ingot
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Although, at least on a plesi you can get away if they aren't on a tuso

desert swallow
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unfortunately

thick tulip
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dont think bat+spider were meant as tames, only cave baddies

distant epoch
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When ark ascension comes out?

blissful perch
tropic crag
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Sure, they weren't originally tamable, but there also weren't many dinos in the oceans originally either 😅

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As of full release, both of these statements became false

desert swallow
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how it was in early access is how it should be. Make ark great again.

verbal wind
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who says ark stopped being early access?

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still feels like it is

blissful perch
# verbal wind who says ark stopped being early access?

WC said it kinda is lol. When they said ark 2 was what they wanted ark 1 to be. I think the founder note also made mention of ark 1 being a massive prototype…which I’ve been echoing for a long time lol. It just looked like it when each DLC a new big thing was added, and old stuff was sort of left to figure itself out

desert swallow
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By that logic every game is early access isn't it? Fortnite - Early Access

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Constantly changing, ever evolving, billions of dollars in revenue or in arks case millions and millions

blissful perch
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You can release new content without doing it in the same…ambitious low polish fashion as ark did

desert swallow
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ok but that's an attack on wild card. Ark is in no way early access still. You are usually pretty logical, you know this deep down, search within and you'll know it to be true!

split dove
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When we first released ARK: Survival Evolved in 2015, we had no idea how big it would eventually become. It was beyond our wildest expectations that 7 years later we’d be developing an eons-spanning narrative across multiple games, a TV series, and starring none other than Vin Diesel as key ARK hero Santiago. And yet here we are, together with our wonderful players who have stuck with the ARK universe through thick (RAGNAROK!!) and thin (FLYER NERF??), now having a canvas far bigger than ever before.
Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right. So in 2023 when it launches on Xbox & PC Game Pass, we’ll look forward to seeing you all in this new world of primeval creatures and legendary heroes

blissful perch
# desert swallow ok but that's an attack on wild card. Ark is in no way early access still. You...

While there’s no debate that ark 1 is out of early access…it doesn’t really shake the feeling of being in a prototype. Can’t really explain it. Also want to say it’s not intended to be an attack per se to say what I did. It’s not wrong, it’s just a bit strange to keep pushing really ambitious ideas out into ark and put a lot of polish on the backburner. Especially since early access ended years ago

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I think this partly because ark was built on an understandably shaky foundation that stemmed from its early history…low budget but amazing idea with tons of really impressive ambition. With a fuller team and a deeper dive/budget to iron out a strong foundation for ark 2 (and maybe asa), I think it’s going to make ark feel different

tropic forge
blissful perch
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A lot of people speculate. Feel free to quote me as often as you’d like

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Already we’ve seen a lot of careful thought about what makes ark tick, and how it can be expanded upon in ark 2…and how certain things were carefully rejected because they don’t fit

desert swallow
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Every sequel or new version of anything is always approached with, "we have an opportunity to fix what we did wrong in the past" This is not unique to Wild Card.

tropic forge
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but will be unique to wild card if they screw again massively

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and something tells me they even realize that how much they screw up to come up whit ASA

desert swallow
tropic forge
# desert swallow lol no

sure will, it will be a new meme, "wildcard, the company that says gonna do better and ends up making even worst"

desert swallow
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not saying it won't be pointed out, But it won't be a unique situation.

blissful perch
tropic crag
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Or things being delayed, for that matter 🫢

blissful perch
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But I see ark 2 as more than mere “fixing”. I see it as a careful dive into what ark the series IS

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I see ark 2 as not a clone sequel but as a new game that could cut a lot of ASE chaff and focus on expanding the creature/survival elements that ultimately act as the centerpiece of what ark is

desert swallow
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Well I hope you are right about that.

blissful perch
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Me too 😅. As we all know here, launch day will tell us the most about all our discussions

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Although I kinda hope we get confirmation on ocean vs no ocean ahead of release so I can adjust this # in my name lol

blissful perch
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Sorry what the heck is this

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You mean you want to be able to code mobile games to play within ark 2?

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Or code things within ark 2?

tropic crag
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, idk about that one chief...

split dove
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I would never want that in Ark as a whole,let alone a more primarily primitive survival based Ark 2. Keep that Sim City crap out of Ark SantiagoScowl

long spoke
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Actually that sounds very intriguing

untold ingot
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Yeah, I don't see that happening

split dove
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Sure hope it doesn't

untold ingot
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It is completely possible, but would not lend itself well to a game like ark

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Ark does not attract the crowd that would appreciate a feature like that tbh

ripe marsh
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finally, i can play ark inside ark

untold ingot
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It would be more attuned to like a space Sim game or something

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Um, having Java code in rust would not be great either lol

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Think different genre lol

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Ah, yeah, I wouldn't recommend that either

blissful perch
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A “tablet UI” to access features is not the same as the suggestion

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This is more like minecraft redstone or the computer mods that let you code a game within a game

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In primitive focused ark 2? There’s…not only no thematic reason to do that, but it’s a sink of resources into a feature that is completely outside the survival genre

split dove
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Primarily primitive survival

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But Ark is already Sci fi

blissful perch
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I like the sci fi settings just fine

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My issue is that the most fun I have in ark is before I get a longneck rifle…and that part just kept getting shorter over ark’s lifespan

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And the “end game” just kept getting longer and more important

untold ingot
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Things cost too much endgame imo

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It should take marginally linger to farm, but the items (bps) shouldn't cost so much

blissful perch
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Two points here for sure. I think the early stages of ark have the most…surviving. And the combat is scrappy. You don’t need expensive ammunition or gear, the creatures are all a threat (from the raptors to the rexes), and I’ve loved doing things like duck beneath a rex and watch it attack the carno that chased me across the beach

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The second thing is “having stuff” and imo that can still be difficult and time consuming without it being a repetitive and tedious effort

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Gaining resources should scale down in effort as you progress (which is standard in survival games) instead of up like in ark…where you gather faster but you need way more materials as you progress. Instead, just make gathering/farming easier over time, and have the challenge come from actual challenges, be they missions/dungeons/events/bosses/etc

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Not sure what you mean

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But that’s backwards design if by infrastructure you mean progression

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You can try to scale the resource needs better by tribe size, but ultimately that’ll just fragment tribes into informal groups and resolve nothing

south lance
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the thingwith minecraft is it runs easily

blissful perch
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Alpha tribes will always exist in a game like ark, because that’s the closest thing to a win condition

south lance
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ark is already really heavy on pcs

blissful perch
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Once you become an alpha and own a map, you “beat” everyone else who occupies it. At least until you get wiped lol

south lance
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you can have a lot of competition on server if the maps bigger snd people cant traverse it as easily

blissful perch
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I’ve proposed wipes and actual end conditions (that also end in a wipe)…because imo it’s the best way to accept alpha tribes while giving people a more fair chance

south lance
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the size of the map would be used to effectively protect people building up essentially, forming significant competition or ending up with a larger alliance

blissful perch
south lance
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player slot cap is fine imo the issue is the map is too small

blissful perch
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Here

south lance
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something the size of 2 or 3 gen2 and the fastest dino you have is a galli, that would be impossible to control

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imo

blissful perch
south lance
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except for the largest tribes

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most megas need like 300 people

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i mean you can cap a server sure

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youll never beat a mega from doing that

blissful perch
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Now it’s true that nerfed fliers and transport (and especially nerfed cryos) means solos and small tribes can survive better around an alpha. But imo that’s not gonna stop the alpha from existing or anything. And maybe that’s ok

south lance
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but youll at least be able to transfer in enough shit to play a bit, maybe a week or 2

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better than literally instawipe

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i mean it just needs to offer space for competition within server

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youd need to handle population cheese some other way

blissful perch
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Map size is a factor of transport as much as it is physical size. If it’s impossible to scout and wipe the map regularly, alphas can exist alongside other smaller tribes more normally

south lance
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ya

blissful perch
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It’ll still be a “one king” situation, but it’s perhaps far less oppressive

south lance
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this would lock all progress which is bad. Some xoordinated group can basically make all that progress worthless by taking over the cluster

blissful perch
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Some really cool and creative solutions also include nerfs to flier scouting (for example a thick canopy that blocks bases built under it)

south lance
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trolls and sweats dont care

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you cant transfer character or stuff from cluster

blissful perch
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The design does need to accommodate for sweats. Can’t avoid sweats in a game like ark

south lance
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that means effort lost

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then the cycle repeats

blissful perch
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^until you get ark official now, which is basically only sweats and trolls

south lance
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theres no stopping it, thats why ark official clusters are so dead rn

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crossark i believe is the name

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rarely hits 10 players a map ime

blissful perch
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Frequent wipes can help, but ultimately it boils down to how the content works in ark 2

south lance
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wipes just force further coordination i think

blissful perch
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If the content is more heavy MMO and it’s meant to not be repeated a lot, wipes make 0 sense

south lance
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the wipe is a bandaid solution to power progression being insane in this game

untold ingot
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Official should not wipe

blissful perch
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Official should be built around wipes or not wipe

south lance
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i think no wipes

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it preserves the sandbox nature

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the game is less about becoming a speedrunner then

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its about choosing something that kinda fits in the player meta

untold ingot
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Wiping official removes the only unique quality it has. If it wipes, people will just go to better designed unofficials lol

south lance
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technically thats also restrictive, but less so compared to the competition of wipe

blissful perch
south lance
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i just refer to the freedom of playstyles

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you can live in a bob hut on official more easily than a popular wipe server

untold ingot
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Personally from my 8k hours experience I don't think the game is such that a normal decent player can't have a go on official

south lance
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i used to see them all the time last year, havent played in a while tho

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official has a lot more potential due to how many servers are available

untold ingot
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Its not that hard to get the tames and items needed to survive

south lance
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theres always somewhere you can hide at

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some are yea

untold ingot
south lance
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smalls is weird

blissful perch
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Unless he corrects me, sounds like he’s saying alphas aren’t an issue to solve

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Official PvE and PvP are confirmed for ark 2. I suspect they’ll be similar to ark 1

south lance
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id be cool with something like valguero stitched to lost island

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thatd be a massive map alr, dunno if its bigger than gen2

blissful perch
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Like I said, as long as an alpha can’t regularly wipe the entire server, cross ark transfers become less essential

south lance
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youre trading megatribes in the current style for raid parties that cap clusters

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atm you cant cap all of official

blissful perch
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But idk if people want to stomach slower transport, scouting, and tame access to do that

south lance
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you could cap a cluster to own it tho

blissful perch
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The idea is that it would be functionally impossible to wipe people faster than they can build back in the spots you already checked/wiped

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Or it’s so irritating to wipe people that it’s only done if someone is a major threat

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That’s always gonna be the case in ark PvP. The biggest tribe(s) runs the show

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Arkpoc?

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I don’t see why you’d do that over a formal wipe people are aware of ahead of time, but to humor the idea, are you thinking of this being every X months?

untold ingot
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... I really don't like the rhetoric behind needing to wipe alphas

blissful perch
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So as arbitrarily chosen by admins? That’s a big oof. I do not trust admin judgement that much lol

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WC should be the only official admins

untold ingot
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Essentially it boils down to "I want to penalize the higher skilled players because I don't have the same skill level" either that or you don't have friends

blissful perch
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The issue with alphas is really “I can’t do anything because I’m oppressed by a tribe with way more people and resources”.

south lance
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alphas dont usually end up being assholes except if they need to be to survive

untold ingot
blissful perch
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As I said, you can’t avoid an alpha in ark PvP as it exists

south lance
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a lot of set up players literally give bobs tames on 1x

untold ingot
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You can't avoid an alpha in any pvp game

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I don't advocate for joining official in 2023, but that is mainly due to the cheating

blissful perch
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You easily can. It’s called not allowing endless snowballing of resources and people. You can’t play overwatch and have a 20v1

south lance
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i think you just need to cap the end game progression to make it fair

untold ingot
south lance
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no more 1200 dura flak

blissful perch
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You can get dunked on by someone better, but it’s not the same type miserably oppressive experience of getting wacked by a tribe who farmed up for months before you arrived and gave you a hopelessly low chance of getting your bearings

untold ingot
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That doesn't happen on ark

blissful perch
untold ingot
blissful perch
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I’m proud of you. But that’s not the norm

south lance
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its fine to have quality and loot drop stuff but >5x primitive quality is too much i think

untold ingot
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It's a skill gap. Obviously of you are new, don't try to tangle with the alphas, but you are hardly limited

blissful perch
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If lots of people consistently quit and disengage, it’s no longer a skill issue. It’s a game design issue

untold ingot
south lance
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500-600 dura cap, fixed mutation cap, thats basically all you need

blissful perch
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Luckily we aren’t talking about smalls

untold ingot
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We are talking official

blissful perch
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Yes. Flat official

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The basic PvP and PvE formats

untold ingot
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Smalls is official. Even on 1x, the only thing limiting you is having a tribe

south lance
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alphas can just split tribes to make safer bases and ally

untold ingot
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Literally get recruited into a tribe and you will have no issue

blissful perch
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The amount of structures and tames…across the servers?

untold ingot
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"Let's penalize players who are more skilled or dedicated to the game" sounds great 🙄

blissful perch
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He’s saying you can dodge your proposal by having 100 informally allied players each with their solo stuff

untold ingot
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I am not. I generally play as a solo, and I can still survive on 1x and smalls lol

south lance
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the hardest working players alr are in tribes due to meta pressure

blissful perch
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If there’s 100 established solo players though and no alphas, should they still be punished?

south lance
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people acc share on smalls for example

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get 6 people online 24/7

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sometimes team too

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you just need the average bob to be able to obtain stuff they can fight with and youre golden

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resources are fine as is for that purpose, not too hard to craft most bps

blissful perch
south lance
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dura is what matters

blissful perch
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Taking 0 damage from an attack feels so damn bad lol

south lance
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armor doesnt really matter too much beyond a couple hundred

untold ingot
blissful perch
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In ark 1 yes

south lance
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dmg formula iirc is dmg* (100/100+armor)

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it gets small enough at 400-500 that you can just use med brews

blissful perch
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In ark 2 with a mildly better healing brew or potion system you do NOT need stupid high damage blocking

south lance
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but upon breaking that resistance is gone, youre dead

blissful perch
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Have high dura armor with synergies and abilities makes combat better. Then you can sustain combat with items rather than extra kits

south lance
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sure, but they also have tbe most play time

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the average person in a large tribe probably plays 3x as much as a dude on a raft

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thats not hard, resources arent expensive in game

blissful perch
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Ultimately you have to cater to 16 hour a day players with a game like ark. That’s what it’s built for

south lance
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i mean you would need to make base building harder to make that relevant

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that could work

blissful perch
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Combat taking longer is one thing, but it should be more mechanics based and less hard stat based

south lance
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keeping things for months is required in this game

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thats how you hit stat cap

blissful perch
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Locking people in their bases maintaining them is horrible game design. You want people to be enjoying the game out in the world

blissful perch
south lance
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i mean the actual one thats like 255 rn

blissful perch
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Ark 2 IS a new game. Third person only, heavy focus on melee combat, confirmed dodge rolls and parries…combat is gonna be more mechanics based

south lance
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ark2 just needs to be bigger and everything else just needs to not be exploited via shitty game code

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i think thatd fix it

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plus the cool new stuff, but thats a given

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i just want a bigger map

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3p is meh

blissful perch
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I want a bigger map in practice, not a bigger map in just physical size

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Genesis 2 is a HUGE map. But it feels tiny because they added maewings that make every map feel trivial

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As I keep saying, you don’t need a stupidly big map for that if the low hanging fruit of “remove or nerf tames that make travel nearly instant” is available

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What people want is the perception of a huge map

untold ingot
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I mean if the cave meta is still a thing, you do need a stupidly big map with lots of caves

eternal wigeon
untold ingot
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I mean, with the current ark design yea

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A lot would need redesigning

stray elm
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That sounds....a bit odd.

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At that point, wouldn't it be better to just have the tek-teleporter?

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The tek-teleporter is already confirmed to be getting smaller in ASA.

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So you want a portable-item to be able to teleport into players bases?

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The 'why' part can be fixed by other means.
And as cool as this sounds, I can see how people could get creative and use this for meshing.

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That's just called 'get good at PvP.'

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Base-spots are an issue though, I do agree.

jagged parrot
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still more land based

stray elm
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If nothing helps against alphas, than how will this help?
If people from other tribes can go inside of this pocket-dimension. Than that's no different than having a raft-base or a cave-base. It just has an extra step to be a bit of a inconvinance for the alpha tribes.

keen dragon
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Hm, I have a question...

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Are ARK: Survival Ascended and ARK 2 the same thing?

untold ingot
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No

stray elm
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ASA is a remake of ARK-1.
ARK-2 is a seperate title.

keen dragon
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Ahh!

stray elm
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Why what?

keen dragon
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So let me see if I understood correctly...

ASA will be included in our purchase of ARK 2, right?

untold ingot
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What

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No

stray elm
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Not at all.
ARK-2 is already controversial in the community due to how different it seems to be.
If ARK-2 fails due to this, than they have ASA to fall back on.

keen dragon
stray elm
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Honestly, ARK-2 sounds 'eh'
ASA sounds much more promising than ARK-2 does.

keen dragon
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Personally, I believe ARK:SA will still be successful.

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It's literally what the entire community has been asking for.

stray elm
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Fuck it. 🤷‍♂️

keen dragon
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An ARK 1 but improved.

stray elm
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They also have two dev-teams working on ARK-2, so it could be made.

keen dragon
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I'm hopeful for ARK:SA.

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I'm gonna save up to buy it. happy

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Survival Ascended.

stray elm
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Than what's the point of having ASA?
The whole point is to not change too much features of the original game in ASA, cause that's what ARK-2 is for.
If they cancel ARK-2 and put all of those features into ASA, than both will flop.

untold ingot
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Have you just not read the announcements

stray elm
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That.....what?
Game-engine isn't going to fix game-designs people don't like.

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🤦

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No, I'm not.
I'm reading. RexFingerGuns

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And yes, you're kind of mistaken on this take.

untold ingot
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I would suggest reading the announcements on it then, or at least the steam page

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Ark2 will be very different

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Which problems, and because the community is a bunch of toxic, rude and downright nasty individuals whenever they say anything

stray elm
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ARK-2 is basically (from what they're describing) ARK + Dark-Souls.
People don't like this idea of having souls-like combat in a ARK title.
The fact also ARK-2 is going to be primarily primitive is also a turn-off for some of the community.
ASA is to keep the parts of the community that hate souls-like combat, and the primarily-primitive aspects of ARK-2, happy.
If they cancel ARK-2 and put all of those features into ASA, than that would defeat the purpose of making one half of the community happy.

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We don't know, but all we've seen is swords, shields, and spears.

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So more like 'tribal' primitive.

untold ingot
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Rust is not fully primative

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What

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Gigas are hardly technology

stray elm
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That has nothing to do with primitive-technology.

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Rust has firearms, which aren't really primitive.

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Nah, primitive as in 'no modern stuff to help with QoL stuff'

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The souls-like combat for ARK-2 actually interests me personally.
But, I kind of want nothing to do with the 'primarily-primitive' gameplay of it.
To me, ARK wasn't meant to be 100% tribal themed. It was suppose to be about players advancing rapidly through the different Eras of technology.
So if ARK-2 stays primitive for the 7+ years of its lifespan, I have no interest in it. And so I can fall back to ASA that's roughly the same as ARK: Survival-Evolved.

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Yeah, that sounds about right.
If ARK-2 flops, than why update it when you have ASA?
And if ASA flops/dies-off, why update it if you have ARK-2?

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Tek-dino's aren't tied to gameplay mechanics.
I mean if they don't add stuff like firearms, modern technology like incubators, or fridges. Stuff like that.
If I want a primitive-survival experience, I'd just go play Valheim.

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Like, who the hell cares if two separate games have totally different communities?
This happens all the time with IP's that have multiple titles.

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That'll happen no matter what.
Every IP has this issue.
Hell, there where people who hated Halo-2 and stayed with Combat-Evolved when that came out.
There's people who hated Mass-Effect 2, and stayed with the first game.
You can't control this. Everyone has their own opinions.

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I mean, they literally started development on Asa to run in parallel with ark2. Wc is big enough to run two games at once lol

stray elm
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Not at all.

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Asa is a remaster, ark2 is a redesign. They are completely different

stray elm
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ARK-2 is a separate title, seperate setting, seperate mechanics.

untold ingot
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Alright, you should code it then. Ark2 takes way more work than ada

stray elm
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People liked atlas lol

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Also, what are your qualifications for making statements like that lol?

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Yeah, but not because people didn't like the game

stray elm
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Mostly due to poor management, not enough updates that're worth it, not enough funding from Snail-Games, not a lot of marketing, etc.

untold ingot
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The ones on the order in which they should proceed

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Have you ever made a game, or product?

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That is true, but we saw that ARK was successful even due to the shitty coding.
What made ATLAS fail was what I listed.
Basically, it was made to be a quick cashgrab and it died as a cashgrab. Instead of dying as a actual video-game.

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All depends how much Snail-Games is funding Wildcard.

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Not sure if he published anything. But I believe he stated that he's been a coder for like....5-ish years?
Maybe 10, I can't remember.

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@untold ingot How long have you been a coder?

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🤷‍♂️

untold ingot