#ark-2

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verbal wind
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it would be nice to see more realistic models

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the way the raptor holds its hands would snap its arms

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the deinon has the more accurate hand position, palms facing each other rather than down

stray elm
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It's not about realism, it's about looking cool.

verbal wind
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they arent mutually exclusive

sinful dagger
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Like pelagornis

stray elm
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Point isn't that these dinosaurs are direct copies of the ones millions of years ago. They are genetically different afterall.

sinful dagger
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Pelagornis is weak and gets scared all the time in the game but in real life, it was the biggest bird to ever exist that we know of and it ate sharks and large mammals

harsh spear
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if creatures were more realistic, you couldnt ride a lot of them because they would be way smaller

sinful dagger
verbal wind
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dilo would be twice or three times as big

stray elm
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That's accuracy, not realism.

ripe cedar
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I can't wait for when creatures actually have lives and dont just aimlessly wander around eating other dinos or being eaten(ark 2, I very much doubt asa ai is that different)

stray elm
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Realism would be more like 'if it could biologically exist realistically'

harsh spear
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definition says : the quality or fact of representing a person or thing in a way that is accurate and true to life.

sinful dagger
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Like monster hunter, sure it is fantastical but the animals in Monster hunter act like actual animals instead of flesh craving monsters that only has killing in its mind all the time

stray elm
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You forgot definition 1.
"the attitude or practice of accepting a situation as it is and being prepared to deal with it accordingly."

sinful dagger
harsh spear
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maybe they can be more realistic with ARK 2 but ASE already has so many fantasy elements that realism doesnt matter anymore.

sinful dagger
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Like use concepts from real life animals and apply fantastical characteristics/traits to them.

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And they already do that with animals like Argentavis in the game

stray elm
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Wait, nope, got it mixed.
The rex isn't even a rex in-canon. It's its own classification of tyrannosaurus called "tyrannosaurus dominium"
Which is a fictional version of it.

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Like it says in the note, reason why they call it a 'rex' is cause it's the closest thing that animal looks like, even though it isn't a rex from millions of years ago.

sinful dagger
stray elm
sinful dagger
sinful dagger
stray elm
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Right, so what's the issue?

sinful dagger
# stray elm Right, so what's the issue?

For me the issue I have with Ark is that some animals like the Pelagornis is just a terrible animal in the game tame-wise. I wish that they could use the real life pelagornis as inspiration (I know they do but it is only like the fact that it is a giant sea bird) and add more fantastical traits to it so it becomes atleast a bit better in game as a tame

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In the lore they said that the animals have been genetically modified to benefit the human so making it more viable in the game would make sense (I guess)

stray elm
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Ooooh, you just want the creatures to be better basically, right?
Traits that're loosly based off of their real-world counterpart.

sinful dagger
stray elm
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Okay, that makes a lot of more sense now.

sinful dagger
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So useless dinos in the game would become more viable

stray elm
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Which I do agree.
The pelagornis is fucking useless if you get a good leveled moschops.

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Hopefully with ASA only adding like 1-ish new creature per rerelease of the maps, they'll have time now to fixup older creatures instead of adding 6 every 3 months.

sinful dagger
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Like there are so many dinos that should be given a buff

stray elm
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As much as I loved pre launch ARK getting major updates every other month with new creatures, the actual creatures where sometimes hit or miss with usefullness.

stray elm
sinful dagger
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Like araneo, it is bassicaly a useless animal in the game but you can use regular tarantulas and spiders as a inspiration for giving it more fantastical traits other than things like it's big size. Which kraken's better dinos does, they give it a web bola attack and gives it the ability to climb walls

harsh spear
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well in ARK most creatures are useless and there isnt much you can do to change that. One idea i could think of is to add elements to the game kinda like Pokemon has, making certain creatures effective against others but less against some of a "type".

stray elm
verbal wind
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every dino has a use

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even if it's as a resource

harsh spear
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idk its just like, you tame 1 dino that is the most effective to farm each ressource, 1 best for mobility , 1 best for tanking creature and 1 best for meatfarm creature. Everything else is luxury and not necessary

stray elm
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Dodo's could have a mechanic that they could get fatter or skinnier depending on how much they eat.
Fatter they are, the more raw-meat they'll yield on harvesting. Making a group of fat dodo's the equivalent of going out on a meatrun with a Giga.
That, or just add something dumb/goofy that they have like 4x damage resistance to carnivores, but it doesn't really matter due to their low HP. And make it that all aggressive creatures will automatically go for the dodo first in a group. DesmoSip

sinful dagger
verbal wind
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if you limit yourself, sure, but every animal has a use

harsh spear
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there is a lot creatures that are simply outclassed by another creature

verbal wind
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yeah. like Carnos are typically your first bigger predator, then you graduate to allos and then the big boy rex

harsh spear
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so adding new creatures will always remove one that has already been viable. so youre not really getting anywhere

verbal wind
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i never said add new creatures

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i said the ones we have all have some use

harsh spear
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if your plan is to get rexes, you should do that first and not get carnos first

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thats how ark used to be in very early stages but todays ark is very different. you just go for the best tame first.

verbal wind
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once you've done the game once or twice, sure

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you know the tricks and can probably speedrun to rex taming after getting tranq arrows. i've done that myself

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i'm typically giga taming the second i unlock large bear traps and metal gates

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but first playthrough i was taming a carno after raptors because i was figuring things out and picking my way up the chain one step at a time

untold ingot
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New dlc dinos really do make old ones obsolete

harsh spear
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in old ARK days the creatures had more reason to exist, because it was way harder to tame the highest ones. f.e. quetzal took like 24 hours to tame. And you had no cryos to store them. so u had to have them out or build giant cages which are either limited by space or in danger

verbal wind
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tropeo makes me almost hate other flyers

untold ingot
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Ark hasn't figured out how to balance power status of new dinos compared to old ones

verbal wind
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having to hold w for five minutes while crossing the map is a pain in the butt

untold ingot
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Being able to cross the map in 5 minutes is a problem imo

stray elm
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Make the map bigger. RexFingerGuns

verbal wind
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from the get go yeah it wouldn't be a good thing

lime forge
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People seem to forget the value in immersion. If the maps were only filled with meta creatures the game would feel lifeless.

verbal wind
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but you don't want it to always take a half hour to get anywhere important

stray elm
verbal wind
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to each their own. i prefer removing tedium as you level up instead of heaping it on

harsh spear
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some see it as tedium, some enjoy it as an exploration adventure

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imo high moblity creatures are busted

verbal wind
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if i'm going exploring sure

harsh spear
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motorboats are a good balance point for max speed imo

verbal wind
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but if i'm going to farm metal i just want to go farm the metal

harsh spear
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old ark: building a boat to transport creatures from 1 place to another or fighting your way through the djungle whilst anything could go wrong.
new ark: cryopotting the creature while flying on a tek suit or bloodstalker or mana 10 sec across the map to your base.

verbal wind
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even on basic island eventually you got to the point where you could just march with your tough dinos and nothing could touch you

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or just fly with your quetz over everything which would take a decent amount of time since quetzals are slow af

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once you got to breeding gigas there was nothing that could touch you outside of caves or boss fights

harsh spear
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you could march with your tough dinos but the new one you tamed was always in danger. quetzal platform true, but like you said slow af and you still had to land and in pvp you are in danger

verbal wind
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i never got far in pvp because i like actually building bases

untold ingot
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I like it when games have more time spent out doing things than just spent in base. A good split is like 70/30, but in current ark it's like 10/90

harsh spear
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wyverns in scorched earth were a decent way to introduce a higher tier of mobility / meat farm creature because it would be stupid to get them as your first tame.

untold ingot
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Wyverns are too easy to get imo

harsh spear
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in crystal island yeah way to easy

verbal wind
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overall ark needs to be more intuitive i think

untold ingot
verbal wind
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as is you always need to use the wiki or other people who know how to do stuff

harsh spear
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having to feed them milk and grow from baby isnt easy especially on old ark days i think it needed like 7 days to grow fully adult

verbal wind
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because really, when raising wyverns who would think 'oh i need to tranq the adults for milk'

untold ingot
untold ingot
verbal wind
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because dragons are known for their milk =P

untold ingot
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I mean, maybe

verbal wind
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maybe on furaffinity

harsh spear
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i agree some things like this are weird. also that magmasaurus needs whale poo

untold ingot
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I think that because ark is majorly focused on knock out tames you would knock one out, find milk and then realize you need to get an egg

verbal wind
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or how to tame squid

untold ingot
verbal wind
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but it doesn't mention 'while it's grabbing something'

untold ingot
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I mean, it's not that hard to figure out

harsh spear
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chances are you find an egg first and wanna give it meat but it dies or you knockout a male and therefore see no milk. so i agree its not intuitive at all

untold ingot
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So what would you do to change it?

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I think it is intuitive, because that's how I found out about it

verbal wind
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then the tropeo requires you chain bola it, let it break free, bola again, then passive feed. otherwise the taming literally takes hours

harsh spear
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give an indication for the baby something where it says " need dragon milk "

verbal wind
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the stryder's taming is fairly intuitive i think

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it explains what you need to do

untold ingot
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There are only like 200 creatures in ark, and most of them are self explanatory

verbal wind
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a good bunch are KO tames

untold ingot
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I think top tier dinos should be less explanatory and therefore harder to get

verbal wind
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they should be more difficult, yeah

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but it shouldn't take using the wiki to figure it out

untold ingot
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Ven having varíence between dinos of the same species as to what taming method can be used would be a big win for me

verbal wind
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there's a taming mod that changes things up quite a bit. where you have to make baits to lure dinos in and gain their trust

harsh spear
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you would be a terrible developer to think that it makes it balanced by not being intuitive.

untold ingot
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High tier dinos should not be easy to get

verbal wind
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it even comes with a book you can craft that tells you what bait is used for what dino

topaz trout
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I’m new what do I do

harsh spear
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easy to get is not the same as being intuitive

verbal wind
topaz trout
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I have ark

verbal wind
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this room is chat about Ark 2 which isn't out yet

harsh spear
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it just walls off people that arent so much in this whole " i go to google and look it up " kind of meta

verbal wind
topaz trout
verbal wind
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go to that room

topaz trout
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Okay

untold ingot
verbal wind
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there's a difference between intuitive and difficult

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a high class tame should be difficult, but it shouldn't require out of game research

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that's not gameplay, that's homework

untold ingot
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Well, having varied taming methods per type would make lots of said outside research null and void

verbal wind
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one example is Hunters in Halo. they're big strong enemies, with a big shield that makes you think 'ok, probably shouldn't hit them from the front. let's go around their back'. you do that and bingo, weakpoint.

lime forge
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Learning that you can one shot hunters with the magnum is a groundbreaking experience

untold ingot
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Yes, but when you kill said hunter you don't become said hunter

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It's not as gamechanging

harsh spear
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i remember when we played genesis 1 during release days, noone knew how you could get magmasaurus at first. then figured out you have to hatch them in a really hot place ( thats intuitive ) but then you had to feed them space whale poo. and that part is not inuitive at all. so we actually had to wait until dododex had some new informations about this.

verbal wind
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hatch baby from 1 zone of the map, have to feed it with a resource from a completely separate area of the map you have to tp to in order to get

untold ingot
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They did fix that

tropic crag
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*Change

sour bane
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most of the time i just watch youtube videos to learn how to tame the new animals

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the dossier for the animals help but you need to tame one to get it's dossier or find it in the wild

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which sucks

blissful perch
blissful perch
blissful perch
lime forge
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There’s nothing in game that you actually need to use the wiki for. After a few hundred darts into the alpha raptor you’ll eventually figure out what’s up right?

blissful perch
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I’d have never figured out how to tame a large number of creatures without the wiki

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Drakes with nameless venom comes to mind. Biotoxin for eels. The above mentioned magmasaur mechanics. Rock golems (whichever was the first canon KO tame…maybe titanosaur) had a new and at the time unintuitive mode of being knocked out…

lime forge
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Same. Honestly there’s creatures I likely wouldn’t even know existed if I didn’t find them on the wiki and actually seek them out.

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I did waste well over 100 darts trying to tame my first alpha raptor too

blissful perch
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The world of ark feels full when there’s a variety of creatures. Though I do wish the ecosystem feeling was a little bit better but that’s just me

lime forge
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But in my defense it was an alpha so I figured it was gonna take more

blissful perch
lime forge
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What do you mean by ecosystem feeling?

blissful perch
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Creatures in ark largely mindlessly attack each other

lime forge
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Ah yeah. Easily one of the top 3 things I’d like to see improved in 1.5 and 2

blissful perch
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If you fly over a map, there’s almost always fighting whenever a carnivore is around. A healthy ecosystem tends to have short bursts of violence (at least for large animals) surrounded by periods of relative piece. Lions basking in the sun or wolves playing with their pups

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I’m expecting 2 to have some of this given the watering hole and herding dynamics are supposedly going to be baked in early

lime forge
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Yeah. I’d like to see carnos only being aggressive if their food is low or if it’s something territorial

blissful perch
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Territories would be a good touch. But on high pop servers where players define the map more than wild creatures idk how that’ll feel

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Selfishly, on singleplayer/low pop servers it’ll probably be awesome to see a rex patrolling its territory…perhaps scuffling with other rex over it. But (if accuracy is used) large territories mean very low creature densities

lime forge
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That would be epic.

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I’d also like to see wild babies

blissful perch
lime forge
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Bro what

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BRB

blissful perch
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Although I hope getting them isn’t as easy as just yeeting darts into their faces

lime forge
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There ain’t a chance in hell I’m gonna tranq, tame, and raise a baby all for a single tame.

worldly garden
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I'm wondering whether babies will start in egg form or whether they will spawn already hatched. Same with mammals.

untold ingot
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Hopefully both

untold totem
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Already seen happening with penguins and monkeys

lime forge
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The eggs kinda scare me. That just sounds like a crash waiting to happen.

sour bane
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honestly i hope drops are better in ark2

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getting a compass bp is getting old

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maybe if there was like a research table that you could learn bps permanently like structures by spending resources on them would be better than manually dragging bps from storage boxes all the time.And maybe Alpha creatures or bosses rewarded you with a special material that would make you learn 1 improved bp( like an ascendant longneck or sth) capped per player permanently on your character ,losing it only when you transfer to a new map.

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so if you get wiped you may keep some hard earned bps to help you rebuild

untold ingot
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I hope drops are a thing of the past and they don't exist

sour bane
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so no better saddles or weapons?

untold ingot
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That's not what I said

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Ark2 has a modular weapon armor and saddle system that allows for weapons to be different

sour bane
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o ok

untold ingot
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I would rather things be stronger based on the resources you use to make it, rather than some rng drop that doesn't make sense in the story anymore

sour bane
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like with crafting skill?

untold ingot
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Not really

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I don't want bps or crafting skill

sour bane
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ok i get it

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it's a view

untold ingot
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More of steel sword beats iron sword

sour bane
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your suggestion would be nice if there are a lot of tiers of swords , hence resources

untold ingot
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Ark2 weapons are modular. With millions of combinations supposedly. I don't think thst will be too hard to do lol

sour bane
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nothing is really set in stone right now

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i personally like getting cool bps from loot crates or cave drops

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it feels rewarding

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cause i'm sure that in the endgame where getting resources is easy without bps there would be nothing you couldn't make

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and alpha tribes would reach an inescapable power ceiling

steady hare
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I hope they completely overhaul the loot tables in ASA. They just don't make sense sometimes.

blissful perch
blissful perch
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Obviously big tribes will be better off than small ones all else being equal (more people > less most of the time), but the gear being used shouldn’t invalidate the game

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I’d rather loot focus on unique and quirky than “the same stuff you can already make but with 10x higher stats”

winged dome
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Maybe a handful of mods you can make off the bat, with more or unique ones found only as loot. That way theres decent framework for crafting, but also a big emphasis on exploration

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Conan kinda does this with Legendary weapon chests

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Could also open the way for more unique effects without being easily craftable/replaceable

sour bane
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i don't mind what system they have for looting i just hope that when exploring in their maps there are chests with loot that is worth my time of exploring or beating a cave etc

lime forge
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A skill that allows you to memorize blueprints would be cool

sour bane
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cause sometimes in ark now you go to a red drop and you get cable bps.. everyone learns how to make cables in the end pretty uch so why is there a cable bp in a loot crate?😞

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put some rifle ammo in them or sth or a rocket launcher with ammo

blissful perch
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I’d much prefer that stuff be in the mission system, so people can do that wherever

sour bane
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not a bad idea

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but people build in resource spawns anyway

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but i really hope there are npcs with missions

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that would be brilliant

true fox
steady hare
steady hare
untold totem
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Would love that actually as long there is a safeguard against duping tho
like if the secret ID matches, both can be eliminated

sour bane
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yeah imposing a limit on how many you can craft is not bad

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it promotes hunting for bps constantly making alpha tribes with mountains of bps weaker by forcing them to replenish them constantly

true fox
hardy plank
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Non scaling items like structures could have infinite, but gear could have a count limit? I also like the idea of being able to memorize a bp

steady hare
true fox
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I'm not familiar with Atlas

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Is that out? or still pay-to-beta?

steady hare
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Not sure how the current state is. last time i played it was 2 years ago. But it had some nice features that i wish ark would implement.

blissful perch
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But I like that it in essence scales the tribe maintenance based on tribe size

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I’d also love it to memorize BPs instead of having engrams points. Put BPs behind missions or other objectives as well as levels so it’s not just exp farm -> oops you can make anything

true fox
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ala Rust

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heh. Early access since 2018. wow

sour bane
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i don't mind the engram points but if i am going to get a prim bp or a structure bp i would like to be able to research it and learn it forever saving some engram points for all the new creature saddles that are hopefully coming to ASA whilst also making drops a lot more relevant

blissful perch
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I think engrams points are a bad system

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Their intent was to force you to specialize in a tribe…and imo there’s other ways to incentivize that. You can tell it was walked back when stuff like mind wipes and hex shop engrams points were released

true fox
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I don't mind the engram points, but the cost for items needs to be balanced.

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any games that forces tribes/groups is no-go for me

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That is why I dumped WoW

blissful perch
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I don’t mind forced groups, but it needs to be structured

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Forced tribes in a survival game is just weird, unless it’s a large nebulous faction system

true fox
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80% of the new content was for 1% of the player base, with 0.1% of the player base able to see all of the content

blissful perch
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That’s not world ending unless it’s gated behind money

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I wouldn’t mind having solo and group difficulties for missions though. Scale loot and difficulty accordingly so it’s net better to go with a group but isn’t strictly required

sour bane
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i would like to also see missions in like unlocking explorer notes for animals

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like kill and harvest said crature or observe it for 2 min or collect it's feces

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then you get the dossier and you learn how to tame it for good

untold ingot
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Either way, ark is just better with friends. Whether it's pvp or pve it just feels like 10000000% better when you can play with someone you can trust

harsh spear
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i dont even get what he means. you can achieve anything solo in ark. bosses are hard solo but still possible with good tames.

true fox
untold ingot
sour bane
untold ingot
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There is nothing in the game that you can't do solo except for maybe a couple of the melee missions on gen1. And you don't need those to do the boss

sour bane
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pretty much anything can be done solo but that doesn't mean tribe mechanics shouldn't exist

untold ingot
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My source, I have soloed every achievement, every boss and done every cave in all the maps as a solo.

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Doesn't mean the game is better solo

stray elm
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Solo alpha gauntlets on Gen1 are almost impossible without cheesing.

untold ingot
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Yeah, that's why I listed those before

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But you don't need them to do the boss

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For pve I would say that ark shines best in a smaller setting though, less people fighting over land claims

tropic forge
untold ingot
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I would think its pretty clear?

blissful perch
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For PvP tbh it almost feels like high density is better…a massive mega/alpha tribe ruling the roost with smaller folks biting at their heels if they slip. And some solos trying to survive. It’s a cool roleplay of an anarchic society

untold ingot
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I mean, I depends. Everyone says they like high pop, but the minute they lose one fight they quit

blissful perch
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That sounds a lot like PvP though? Lots of folks quit after realizing it’s not a traditional PvP experience and that getting your stuff up to par to fight takes time

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This is the only PvP genre where the cost of losing PvP is that you can’t readily reengage with the PvP. In perma death PvP you are restored in a few minutes and can return to PvP. In most other games you’re respawned in an “as is” state. Only in this genre are you tasked with grinding replacement gear and tames just to show up to a fight again

untold ingot
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Nah, it's a lot of kids who don't like losing

blissful perch
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I’d be shocked if the average age for ark PvP was above 20

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IE, I suspect many people across the age spectrum leave because a loss in the PvP is unbearable

untold ingot
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I would bet it is closer to 25 tbh

blissful perch
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Hmm. The RP community does tend to be older

untold ingot
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Pvp isn't an rp community...

blissful perch
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I mean…in a lot of ways it is. Especially if you manage an alpha and basically create a server wide “governance” in an otherwise anarchic system

untold ingot
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Um. No that's not really how it works lol

blissful perch
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There’s no competitive objective either. It’s a total sandbox experience. Pretty much whatever you want to be, what role you want to be, etc is possible

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-> roleplaying

untold ingot
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If ark pvp is role-playing than every video game in existence is also role playing.

blissful perch
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I’m going to state perhaps an obvious remark, which is that I’m not persuaded unless you provide some form of reasoning beyond an ultimatum or an extension to absurdity

untold ingot
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There is no more role playing in ark pvp than there is in cod or rust lol

blissful perch
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There’s no game design requirement enforced on players to participate in the actions they take in ark. No “you win” or “you lose” or alteration of the game based on your actions. You can’t close a server for example by beating the boss first, nor can you with finality “win” against another player

untold ingot
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Less probably

blissful perch
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Rust is the same as ark, I’ll concede that. It’s a feature of the genre

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But COD has game design that enforces a certain type of gameplay, and in doing so pressures players to act in specific ways

untold ingot
blissful perch
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Failure to get kills in team death match -> you get a “you lose screen”, you are rewarded less

untold ingot
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So you have shown that ark and cod have different objectives, not that ark pvp is roleplay

blissful perch
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Ark has 0 objectives

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PvP that is

untold ingot
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Doesn't make it roleplay

stray elm
blissful perch
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Correct, hence the PvP addendum

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PvE has objectives, which are the bosses on story maps. The gameplay has intro and outro cutscenes that encourage players to pursue those objectives

untold ingot
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And yet I would argue that pve tends to be more roleplay lol

blissful perch
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Go ahead then

stray elm
untold ingot
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No.

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I am just not agreeing with shifters statement that ark pvp is role-playing lol

ripe cedar
blissful perch
stray elm
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Oh yeah, hell no.
PvP is not roleplaying, it's about competative domination.

blissful perch
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Nobody makes the game that way is the point

untold ingot
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Everyone does...

blissful perch
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People roleplay in the anarchy system of PvP to their desires

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The lowest hanging fruit of which is “defend my stuff through any means”

stray elm
blissful perch
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See above

stray elm
blissful perch
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You can CHOOSE to do whatever you want. And people do. The ones who have the most hours though are the ones who dedicate themselves to the most dedicated roles…IE the role of infinitely defending their things from others through any means

blissful perch
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You’re in that instance roleplaying as the aggressor

stray elm
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Roleplaying is more improve-acting.
If you're just doing a basic PvP thing like defending something, unless you tie in-universe lore to the reasoning then it's just you defending something, no roleplay attached.

blissful perch
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I’d argue acting is not a requirement for roleplaying. You simply need to have the complete flexibility to, without alteration of the general gameplay environment, choose your actions and activities in an established game world to be roleplaying

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I don’t find roleplaying to always be explicit

untold ingot
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Use of the term roleplay implies there is a role you are trying to take. In ark there is not lol

stray elm
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You can roleplay in ARK, but that's kind of a rarety outside of heavily modded servers

blissful perch
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People take roles plenty. In tribal guild style environments, as solo trader or scavengers…you’re choosing a role and occupying it

stray elm
blissful perch
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Your playstyle is often altered by the role you select

stray elm
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So actually, ARK has the richest amount of roles you can form since you can be anyone from the 300,000 years of our history

blissful perch
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Roleplaying ≠ acting

stray elm
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It kind of does have some acting in it.

blissful perch
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It can, but it by no means must

stray elm
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Like when NakedZombo did his Aberration series and had an obession with milk just for that series, that was roleplaying.

blissful perch
harsh spear
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id say that pvp is the wrong place to rp in.

stray elm
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Right.
You're roleplaying as the Dragonborn whenever you play vanilla Skyrim. But you don't have to act like them.

blissful perch
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Most people roleplay as “themselves” and don’t act. They just gravitate to playstyles that suit them, and thus take on different roles

harsh spear
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unless its a unofficial server where the general community is aware about the server being rp related

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lets say you wanna be a farmer. oh here comes the guy with a giga destroying everything u stand for in an instant. there goes your rp.

untold ingot
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Like hang on, I am going to roleplay as myself for a minute

blissful perch
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I just find it hard to subscribe to roleplaying needing to be intentional...since role assignment in an open setting occurs all the time without any explicit intention

untold ingot
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Having a role does not imply role-playing

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The president of the United States has a role, but he is not role-playing as president lol

stray elm
untold ingot
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Roleplay: act out or perform the part of a person or character, for example as a technique in training or psychotherapy. Google's definition. If you have a different definition please share it lol.

blissful perch
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I was told not to use definitions, so I’m uninterested in relying on that

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You’ll need to provide me with some form of argumentation

untold ingot
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Using a definition to prove a point is a logical fallacy, but this whole debate is due to difference in definition of what roleplaying is. At least that's what it seems to me

blissful perch
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The debate here is that there seems to be disagreement about the application of definition

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But the end result is a fat “who cares”

untold ingot
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Indeed. I do not believe having a role means you are roleplaying.

untold ingot
stray elm
true fox
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There is nothing the internet likes better than arguing semantics

blissful perch
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Especially when the entire point gets lost instantly. Top level

inland juniper
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ARK 2 is gonna be the second ark game btw

gusty pivot
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i hoping that ARK2 is good, and worth getting

mint swan
inland juniper
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Ark 2 is probably gonna be a little weird to play, with lock ons, combos, blocks, special attacks,

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Are we supposed to block 2 ppl how we do with for honor?

inland juniper
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But if it is more story based

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I get it

stray elm
tropic crag
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I don't understand, since when was filling (aka, playing) a certain role in a game not roleplaying? Maybe I'm confused... but isn't that where the term RPG came from (which Ark very much is, in more ways than one)? 😂

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I think the major disconnect here is that one side is using the term right, and the other is taking it as "rp", like acting and portraying a character like in DnD or something

lime forge
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The RP in rpg does mean taking on the role of a character and does not refer to your role in any kind of group setting.

proud mist
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Is ark 2 comming to ps4 ?

winged dome
lime forge
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Not on launch. Probably not at all considering it’s not the next gen console

proud mist
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Ok. But thanks anyway

inland juniper
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I’m more excited for ark ascended

stray matrix
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Today

sour bane
# tropic crag I don't understand, since when was filling (aka, *playing*) a certain role in a ...

role playing means you are creating a character with tools given to you by the game to make you think that you look like a farmer ,emperor ,hunter or any role you can imagine,for example focusing your attention on building lots of crop plots and start farming veggies.The thing with ark is that you are tasked to do all sorts of things if you want to progress and in pvp you rarely get the time to roleplay as a farmer or sth because of the constant danger of other players.

tropic crag
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It is 1:22 AM and I could not give less of a shit rn, lol

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But I think you're still thinking about the word wrong, anywho gn

stray elm
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You had it almost right, but you don't pick from given tools. You make it up.
It's basically a more mature version of 'make-belief'

trim lichen
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Wouldn't say its more mature

trim lichen
sour bane
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yeah but you need guns to act as an outlaw or sth

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that's what i mean

blissful perch
blissful perch
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Though I wonder if there’s stuff that could be added from a purely “RP server” aspect that would be fun for them

winged dome
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That's what mods are for 👍
Some communities have entire overhauls for combat, skill systems, player and map mechanics. It's actually amazing how advanced and thought out some of them are - it's like playing a completely different game, but also a little sad that the vast majority of players won't even know they exist.

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But some more general stuff I'm sure everyone could enjoy in some capacity - more stuff like the Boss Flags, Taxidermy Stands, Artifact Pedestals and Trophy Mounts, tables and chairs, ect

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Help make GenericPvE/PvP Base #4827 feel more like GenericPvE/PvP Home #4827

blissful perch
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I feel like having a diversity of tools and weapons would help too

winged dome
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Definitely. One community had a whole arsenal of melee weaponry, each with their own reach, swing speed, damage, stats, and additional effects

blissful perch
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Would be nice to appeal to PvP with this sort of stuff. More siege weapons and manned turrets come to mind

tribal chasm
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it's one of those things like D&D, you are either really into it, or really not into it

blissful perch
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I sort of disagree. You wouldn’t PLAY ark if you didn’t want to be some sort of survivor in the ark universe

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There’s potential to add numerous tools and items to the game that encourage people to try different things and experiment with how they get their fun (regardless of how they interface with the game)

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Although a formal “RP server” environment where you create a persona and have additional soft rules imposed is of course not for everyone

untold ingot
split dove
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ah yes Peabrain vs Peabrain, truly one of the ark gamemodes of all times

untold ingot
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Whatever you say lol

true fox
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T minus 70 days until shutdown!

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Been familiarizing myself with the caves on The Island. Some of them are aweful tight quarters

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Even the thyla I raised can’t for through parts

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ASA should be a fun experience. I’m dying to k ow what they are changing from ASE

winged dome
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Pretty sure we'll have Cryopods at the start of Asc. They were changed from Extinction unique to learnable everywhere

blissful perch
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I’m very curious about asa balance

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But I’ll spectate for at least a little while…I’m really most down for ark 2

winged dome
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I got a lot of good hours out of Ark SE, plenty more with hopefully a revitalized cross platform community in Asc

blissful perch
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I felt my enjoyment slipping away as I got more busy

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It’s just so hard to have fun with ark unless you have half a day or more to play it imo

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I’m hoping future games can help that

winged dome
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Ark just checks too many boxes for me to ignore. Also very relaxing in the right circumstances

wanton pike
#

I wonder if they will make the island map bigger for Asa

stray matrix
#

Today

tribal chasm
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They are probably inspired from MTS to be honest, when they refer to certain balances such as caves and whatnot. Probably most cave entrances will become big enough to fit a stego... Originally the cave entrances were only small to limit dinos you could get in there, with cryopods this is an outdated factor now (obviously)

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I think it was genie himself who was testing variations for both Island + Center ice caves years ago, with bigger entrances being displayed (or multiple)

harsh spear
#

what did MTS do with caves ?

desert swallow
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I wonder if they'll do anything to make caves more challenging. Once you are on a dino the caves are a breeze.

rancid harness
desert swallow
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They do remove alot of challenge and planning in the game, both pve and pvp

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They were on to something when it comes to storage though, but shouldn't allow people to throw out dinos wherever

true fox
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We used to have cryo sickness. When you first unpod a Dino you could not do anything with him for a few minutes

rancid harness
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Like there are so many other ways to make dino storage simpler that don't take a fat dump on the core game. Make barns that store them in hammerspace. Being able to assign locations as "home position" for dinos would be ideal too if you could whistle "go home" like you can follow all or flier land

true fox
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Not I doubt they will bring that back. All it did was slow down the game

rancid harness
desert swallow
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Every pvp video. "Ok, I'm just going to toss out a stego in the perfect location to drain these turrets"

true fox
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Losing cryo would just mean people only used fliers and nothing else

rancid harness
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As if they don't already

true fox
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They use fliers for transport

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I use a variety of Dino’s personally

rancid harness
#

Just the image of a tiny human on a tiny ptera flying to the top of a mountain and then popping out a megachelon is ridiculous.

true fox
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My regular load is argies, basilio, Rex or giga, deino, wyvern, otters or shoulder pets, then anything specialized

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Rock Drake too

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It will be interesting to see how people adapt to only having Island Dino’s for a while

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Argie, Rex, thyla, basilio during my current island-only test

desert swallow
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Probably will put all dinos on island with space resource zones from genesis 2 built in, with genesis 2 quality drops.

rancid harness
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HAH

split dove
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At Asa launch we're only gonna have island and scorched map/creatures available

rancid harness
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Idek if scorched will be available initially

desert swallow
#

Don't feel like going back and re-reading stuff, but have they specifically said this?

rancid harness
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Pretty sure no

split dove
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They said island and scorched at launch in the announcement in cc 355

desert swallow
#

yikes, well it could happen

tribal chasm
desert swallow
#

We'll see

#

who is Vortez?

rancid harness
#

Yep, found it in 355, it's there.

#

Whether it stands true or not is up for debate though, this is Wildcard we're talking about.

#

Would have hoped they did maps in order of release.

desert swallow
#

Speaking of WC, why doesn't Vin Diesel use his millions to free Wild Card from Snail Games?

rancid harness
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Probably unable to contractually, or it just wouldn't be worthwhile

desert swallow
#

I would think even having Vin Diesel as owner would be better than Snail Games

rancid harness
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Maybe WC doesn't even want to be free

desert swallow
#

Sorry went a bit too far

true fox
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While I think they will do some cleanup on the maps graphically/ visually. And adapt to the new engine. I would be surprised if they made any sweeping changes to dinosaurs previously unique to other maps

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Ie no wyverns on island. Etc. maybe maewing? Id be surprised tho

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They have promised some QOL improvements. And they can turn various engrams on and off with no extra work, so no idea what they might do there. Will we have access to incubators for instance? Will be fun to find out

winged dome
ripe cedar
#

Hi

harsh spear
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why do they release scorched earth as the first non cannon. its one if not the most hated map

winged dome
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Uhh...
Scorched is canon 🤔

harsh spear
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i mean that its DLC

winged dome
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That's not at all what canon means, but sure

harsh spear
#

what does it mean? xD

winged dome
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Because it was the first DLC, and makes sense from a story point of view

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Canon in the context of Ark means that's where the story took place - the explorer notes and intended progression path

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Non-canon maps generally weren't made by Wildcard, and instead were adopted from popular mod maps containing no official story

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The Center, Ragnarok, Valguero, Crystal Isles, Lost Island, and Fjordur are all non-canon

harsh spear
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hm. but its weird how are they planning to convert the entire playerbase from all maps onto just 2 maps while 1 of them is hated.

winged dome
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It takes some to convert the rest of the maps

harsh spear
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i prefer any non-canon map over the DLC maps tbh. DLC maps always brought unbalance to the game. extinction element , genesis 1 even more element and hexagons, genesis 2 even more element, hexagons and free tek suits. or they are just not fun to play like aberration and scorched earth. though the island is probably my favorite map of all

winged dome
#

Non-canon maps have their own host of issues too 😂
People just choose to ignore them

harsh spear
#

and those are.. ?

winged dome
#

Rag had extremely easy to get Wyverns, and the easiest Dragon fight for unlock Tekgrams

Valg has easily farmable Broodmother for great and easy loot

Crystal Isles has mineable Element, 24/7

Haven't spent a ton of time on LI, or Fjordur, but I'm sure there's similar pacing issues that make Story maps mostly obsolete except Gen2

split dove
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how to be a free dlc map in some steps

1: steal the creatures and maybe a boss if you're lucky

2: take the biomes, resources and engrams

all you're gonna be left with is maybe some unique resource or 2, a creature, a boss and map design if you're lucky

winged dome
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Basically, DLCs may have brought imbalance to the game (feature/power creep) but the Non-story maps made those things even easier to get in the first place

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Story maps at least made you work for them.
Aberration brought craftable Element, Rockdrakes, and Reapers but each of those are end-map activities

Extinction Drops and Element veins need to be defended

Gen1 missions are some of the hardest content in the game

Gen2 also exists

true fox
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So technically Island and scorched will release at launch, Abb (Q4/23), Ext (Q1/24), Gen1 (Q1/24), Gen2 (Q2/24), Community created maps have no specific date other than '2024'

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per community crunch 356

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That lines up chronologically with the canonical storyline

split dove
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don't forget the new ASA exclusive canon DLC slated for Q4 2023

true fox
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Don't really have any info on that, so I didn't mention it

#

If you know something, please do fill in the blanks

vapid panther
#

Is there any more rumors avout the new DLC other than Arat Prime? It would be interesting to see a populated city with NPCs- a test for the AI for Aratai in Ark2

winged dome
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Everything we 'know' is purely speculation

true fox
#

I'm sure there are tons of rumors.

untold ingot
#

I doubt we will see human npcs in asa

rancid harness
winged dome
#

I hope Asc keeps Aberration flier locked and doesn't allow post-Ab fliers like Gasbags and Manas

rancid harness
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Gliders will always be enabled there, pretty confident.

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I don't necessarily like maewings being on Ab, but at least they aren't radiation-proof

true fox
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But… Abb is horrible for starting out because the beginner areas are so small, and the difficulty of leaving there is much larger. Therefore jerks pillar the area for miles

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So, that lack of movement also presents painful downsides. Especially with little to no admin engagement

winged dome
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Maewings I think are ok since there's not really a way (that I know of at least) to gain endless altitude while gliding

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Plus they don't have much in the way of offensive capabilities like a Drake ... sorta does

true fox
#

The speculation is fun, but the lack of info is disappointing. Doesn’t give me much hope of a timely launch

winged dome
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For Ark Asc? Or the new DLC?
We know quite a bit about Asc, have over two months before release window even opens

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Plus WC technically never gave a date for Asc launch. 'Shortly after Official Servers shut down Aug 31st' is still pretty vague

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Seeing as the Animated Series was supposed to be launched 'Early 2023' 😂

hexed crater
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for asa is it going to have seprate brand ne offical servers

winged dome
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Yes, no data will be transferrable between current Ark SE servers of any kind to new Ark Asc

hexed crater
#

great

true fox
#

That there might be a significant gap between shutdown and ASA is something people are unwilling to believe.

untold ingot
#

Well, they way the worded it sounded like they planned releasing it in August, but recently Dollie confirmed that thst may or may not be the case

blissful perch
#

I mean…it’ll happen when and how it happens

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People insisting one way or the other are equally baseless

winged dome
#

Yeah, just going off of latest dates. It'll happen when it happens

true fox
#

Yup, that was my point exactly. We just don't know

winged dome
#

I don't remember, been a while since I played on Valg but I do remember it dropping pretty good loot for the effort

untold ingot
#

The broodmother on valguero is just a world boss, not a tek boss. The loot has always been pretty mid

tropic forge
#

still a good place to farm black pearls at that time

winged dome
#

Way better pearls in the Squid Trench

tropic forge
#

sure but if you want fast batch whit little danger queen cave is worth

winged dome
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Viking Bay Euryptids 🤔

tropic forge
#

you would be surprise how many ppl avoid water

winged dome
#

Fox, do you kill the Queen for Polymer too?

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Mantis: am I a joke to you?

tropic forge
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i always use rag on ps4 to get wyverns really, on pc i actually start there my main base but i dint farm queen cave for poly cause i live next to the volcano so i always had walking poly next to my walls 🤣

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but dint last long cause at least that server would crash out of the blue and would take about 4 hours to beon again

winged dome
#

Ok, had me worried there for a bit

tropic forge
#

if only abberation could transfers at least all foot dinos i probably wouldnt need another maps for main base

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ab is just too much convenient map, beauty plus having almost all resources at hand to be farm so easily

untold ingot
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Ci has a black pearl spot that is harvestable by angler

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At least that's what my tribemates said when he brought back 20k in a 45 minute run

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He never shared the spot

untold totem
untold ingot
#

Lost island has the best regular pearl spots, by faaar

tropic forge
untold ingot
#

You can get like 100k+ from one spot on li with a stryder, takes like 15 minutes

tropic forge
untold ingot
#

Not as many as li, ci or rag

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Yeah maybe, but less people know the li spot

tropic forge
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well i never try whit a strider outside of gen2

untold ingot
#

Did they just not know how to put down battery heavies or something lol

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Yeah, I know how that goes, last tribe I was in would die every time they farmed metal, but then I would get on and could farm like a million and get 3 kills while doing it.

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Tribemates, they are overrated

rancid harness
#

Who needs friends amirite

tribal chasm
#

I did that recently on a friend's server as a joke (ie hiding in the forest) but forgot about parasaurs...not possible to hide as bobs anymore, even against people who aren't cheating.

untold ingot
#

Good tribe mates are good, most aren't good though

tribal chasm
#

Remembering those 10 tribemates in the 100 player* tribe who had their backs broken from carrying too much

rancid harness
#

🙏

true fox
#

The only person you can trust is yourself

worldly garden
inland juniper
south lance
#

going at mach 3 with 5 fps is not a good combo when turrets are around

chrome lodge
#

I hope we gonna have a gameplay trailer for ASA soon to maintain the hype

south lance
#

still about 2 months till itll drop

worldly garden
chrome lodge
#

I believe that the game launch is on August

blissful perch
#

Extremely unlikely to come out before the (at least assumed) august 31 ASE official server shutdown

split dove
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*august 31st

solar breach
#

ASA will be 🤷‍♀️

worldly garden
#

Yup, with the assumed date of 31st August it's certainly going to be a September release, even if it is the next day. My excitement is still high though! What I don't want to do though is start on The Island and end up doing everything exactly as I normally would... same old base location, same old tames, I wanna mix it up. Easier said than done! 🤣

split dove
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soon the only safe space will be where you first spawned with all the new dinos slowly spawning closer to the beach 🫣

tribal chasm
#

They have a real opportunity to slow down the game significantly, rather than everyone - bob or not, reaching endgame in a few hours after ASA is released. It would be nice to see risk reward, skill, progression or whatever brought back for the start. Obviously later xpacs make this difficult, but I don't see why they can't slow it down at first

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Imagine they released Diablo 4 and everyone could reach max level in a few hours, whether they had any skill or not - it seems like bad game design

blissful perch
blissful perch
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Note runs and being able to get exp for slaying your own babies accounts for a wildly silly progression scheme. Both should be heavily reduced if not zeroed

tribal chasm
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They have reduced gathering rates for resources of baby dinos (might be depending on how grown it is? Not sure) would be interesting if it was similar xp wise.
Ie a 1% grown baby Giga only giving 1% the XP of a fully grown Giga

blissful perch
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You shouldn’t get any experience for slaying a tame…since it can’t fight back

tribal chasm
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The ironic thing is, the example I gave is one of the few tames that can fight back (if enraged :P)
Either way yeah, but I wonder what could replace that meta if it was removed

ripe cedar
blissful perch
#

I assume they’d launch everything at once in September tbh

blissful perch
#

The replacement is commitment lol. Maybe some of the stupid high exp needs for post 100 levels can come down as a result

tribal chasm
#

I was going to say: at least then it would have a logistics issue -- having babies with 18000 health each, trying to kill them quickly before xp buffs wear off
but then I guess you could kill them with another tribe...still slightly tedious. Cryosickness babies obviously would work though, I guess it's not that tedious

true fox
winged dome
true fox
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I've got a note run down to <20 minutes with only a few tries. That gets me to mid 60s. Then I tame something to fly with, and a longer note run gets me to 74

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(it takes ~36 notes to hit 74, assuming you get to the next note before the xp buff drops)

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I like the note run xp, but it should be nerfed slightly. And maybe move the note locations so nobody is doing them on day 1.

blissful perch
true fox
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Agreed

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I just meant, you should get a good hit that first time you craft a raft, for instance

blissful perch
#

note runs should imo be entirely removed - they completely broke the experience and leveling system that was once relied upon for progression

true fox
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But perhaps, after that, it lowers a bit

blissful perch
#

now the limiting factor is tek grams and materials...you're SO far ahead on engrams compared to what you can actually make use of

true fox
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I'm not married to the idea, but its a thought. There should always be some crafting xp

blissful perch
true fox
#

That works

deft ember
#

hi

true fox
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You could probably come up with a reasonable formula. difficulty of getting resource * amount of resource, add it together for each resource, you have your crafting xp

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But someone else's idea about increasing the quality of the item the more you craft of it was very interesting.

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Someone crafts 1000 argentavis saddles is going to make a better saddle than teh person who makes 1.

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Not saying make blueprints useless, but you should be able to improve over time

blissful perch
#

I kinda dislike that

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I loathe material grinding too much to want to ask someone to craft 1000 expensive saddles to get a "good" one. I'd much rather have quality be consistent, but vary based on what is looted (ie a high quality BP makes a high quality item full stop - no crafting skill, no RNG after the fact)

tribal chasm
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If they removed crafting skill as a levellable skill, but rather had it as a passive thing you get from actually crafting items. Not sure I am a fan of that, but at least would be funny to see the tribe slaves (ie people who farm/craft for the tribe) getting something for their hard work

blissful perch
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possible. But tbh I'd FAR rather crafting skill NOT influence rng

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I'd certainly prefer it to be passive and improved as people craft things (and it not be possible to dump all levels into it with a mindwipe) [although this is now ark 2 scope]. But I want it to do things like increase craft speed, maybe slightly decrease craft costs for common materials, or be required to craft certain things

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for example let's say you NEED "level 30 crafting" to make a master craft BP or a flak chestpiece. The idea is that even if you get amazing BPs or level up too fast, you're asked to make sure you're crafting things and improving that skill to progress

true fox
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Two separate things

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BP still work, and you can still go that route, but if you spend a lot of time making something, you do get better at it

blissful perch
true fox
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I just think it would be a fun mechanic

blissful perch
#

I do worry that being able to circumvent looting (a risk taking activity) with basic grinding though means everyone will default to grinding and will ALL be maxed out

true fox
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not circumvent. you should never roll up on like master or ascendant via that method

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then megatribes would just sit home and grind

blissful perch
#

I think my suggestion above is a bit cleaner in that it still requires and rewards crafting stuff…but it doesn’t remove the benefits of looting

true fox
#

Who knows, with ark2 maybe they'll rethink the whole thing

blissful perch
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They I think are…if modular crafting says anything

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They’re I think getting rid of the 50k metal ingot crafting stuff lol

true fox
#

oh thank god

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I mean, there should be some significant requirements for massive things like tek cloning chambers

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but some of the requirements are a bit nuts

blissful perch
true fox
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But no tek tier at launch does not mean they will never consider it

blissful perch
#

They seem pretty sure. It’s a thematic choice

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Tek (like obelisks etc) is out in the environment in ark 2, but I think the days of running around in a tek suit are gone. We saw confirmed concept art of tek scrap, which seems to me like the direction tek is moving towards

true fox
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ok, we'll see

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Thats two unreleased games into the future 🙂

blissful perch
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I sincerely hope they don’t backtrack, as it would be a colossal error

true fox
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I have no idea what they will or will not end up doing. But ... this far out, all they have is a plan.

blissful perch
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They do seem to be focusing far more on melee weapons and primitive gameplay based on the confirmed concepts we’ve seen

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But it’s true that for now there’s no certainty of what precisely that’ll be in practice

true fox
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As long as they dont' completely bone it up, I'm sure I'll buy it

potent hull
desert swallow
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to be fair note runs are really only something people learn after a play through or two first. They do nullify the early and mid game competitively though.

blissful perch
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Even stumbling onto a 4x note can pretty much trash the early game

untold ingot
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It wouldn't be as bad if there wasn't a starting chunk of xp given.

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But I do think it should only be like 1. 25 or 1.5x

stray elm
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" We have an update coming to the ASA roadmap next week, so stay tuned! " 👀

verbal wind
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is that new critters i spy!

serene onyx
verbal wind
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that sturgeon looks cool

stray elm
#

Okay, so the Genesis-ship is confirmed to have modern animals on it?
Interesting

verbal wind
#

sturgeon date back to the jurassic

stray elm
verbal wind
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closely related to the coelecanth

stray elm
#

What about trout's?

fallow niche
fallow niche
fallow niche
verbal wind
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trout is a fairly broad term for fish, but one of the genera is more recent, roughly 10MYA

stray elm
#

Huh.
Fair enough

stiff dove
#

I just want ASA gameplay 😭

verbal wind
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perhaps next week

serene onyx
#

Something asa next week

stiff dove
#

: o

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ok ok

serene onyx
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I hope gameplay

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Or screenshots

stray elm
#

It's just a update to the roadmap, I doubt it'll be gameplay

ripe cedar
#

well that will probably mean more accurate release date so thats probably the most important part

serene onyx
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Hm

blissful perch
#

Three part fishing poles though seems pretty sweet

stray elm
#

Not gonna lie.
The coelcanth looks even more derpy then it looked in ARK-1

stiff dove
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i wanna see a gameplay video on both maps, or the creature spotlight for the SE creature since its ASA exclusive but im too hopeful

desert swallow
stray elm
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Hopefully they'll make fishing more fun and worthwhile.

serene onyx
blissful perch
#

Tbh more fun > more “worthwhile”

desert swallow
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update to roadmap for ASA

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I'm sure it's not coming earlier

serene onyx
#

Thats not a delay notice

stray elm
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Correction: 'actually' fun.
'More' fun would mean it was fun in the first place

blissful perch
#

Flashback to genesis 1 fishing agony

stiff dove
serene onyx
blissful perch
#

Ark 1 fishing was fine for…very basic old school games. Most newer games have a more involved fishing minigame

stray elm
ripe cedar
stray elm
ripe cedar
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not exactly good but oh well

desert swallow
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Make fishing like star dew valley, then it'll be fun

blissful perch
blissful perch
#

Sea of thieves imo has some of the best fishing I’ve played

desert swallow
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what was it like?

ripe cedar
#

give a man a fish and it will feed him for a day teach a man to fish and he will die of boredom

blissful perch
# desert swallow what was it like?

You tire out the fish by yanking the rod based on what direction the fish is pulling (which changes dynamically). Then you reel. Rinse repeat until caught

desert swallow
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I'm too old to be yanking my rod that much

stray elm
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I forgot the games name.
But there was a game that had the perfect fishing system for me.
You where able to control your rod, and move it around. But that'd do nothing at first.
Wasn't till a fish bit on and tried to take the bait away that you had to overpower the fish by pulling the rod towards you, until you overpowered it.
So....basically like real fishing.

stray elm
blissful perch
#

I typed it first tho so I’m in the clear

stray elm
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Oh no, you're fine.
Just funny we had the same mechanic in mind

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Don't think I got it from Sea-of-Thieves though.
Never fished in that game

ripe cedar
blissful perch
#

Weirdly I never did that in don’t starve

ripe cedar
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its fishing

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I mean I only did it for the pearl quest

stray elm
#

Oh my fucking god, it was Red-Dead 2.
Why was I having a brainfart on that?

ripe cedar
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yeah I would expect red dead to have pretty accurate fishing

stray elm
#

Anyway.
Red-Dead 2 has pretty much the same fishing system.

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Actually fucking fun doing. 🦛

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Well, as fun as fishing with a rod can be. Cause it's objectivly a slow but rewarding process.

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Okay, but can we talk about how fucking dopey the new coelcanth looks?

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"Didn't I do it for you"

ripe cedar
#

fish in general are just kinda like that

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unless they are badass deep sea fishes

desert swallow
#

beer and grenades can be fun

blissful perch
#

I’m surprised at the lack of alien fish

stray elm
blissful perch
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Sorry. I meant they aren’t shown

stray elm
blissful perch
#

I also really wanna see bothreolepus

stray elm
#

This also looks like a pond/lake, so alien-fishes might not be native to those areas and are only within the actual ocean

blissful perch
#

They could be the “global” fishing spawns for sure

split dove
#

Is the Exellia a real world fish?

stray elm
split dove
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Intriguing

stray elm
blissful perch
#

Well. They’re not bottom of the chain lol

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Aquatic food chains are pretty dang long

blissful perch
tropic forge
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stay tune for the upcoming ASA update, bet its gonna be a blast

stray elm
#

Delayed till 2024. 🦛

south lance
#

just keep waiting just keep waiting

tropic forge
#

until december wouldnt be bad

south lance
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im fine with it being released later

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i just want it to actually be enjoyable

blissful perch
#

I’m actually way more hype about the fishing concept art for ark 2 over the ASA stuff lol. The idea that there’s fish quality for example hasn’t been discussed yet

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There’s a lot of amazing stuff I feel is on the way

little herald
#

I am a sturgeon in ark 2 is crazy

desert swallow
thick tulip
#

new creature is an auto nanny?

little herald
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the features aren't confirmed

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its just the creature that's confirmed, all the features proposed are up to wildcard

thick tulip
#

still not stoked about it, just another dino imo

little herald
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eh i'm indifferent tbh, the creature options weren't that good this round

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the design was cool so we'll see

novel plank
#

Any discord group for selling dino?

lime forge
#

There’s a trade group out there somewhere

untold totem
hybrid pond
#

Is this really not going to have a first person mode? Or did I hear wrong

worldly garden
true fox
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"We have an update coming to the ASA roadmap next week, so stay tuned!"

lime forge
#

It’s probably the delay lol

tropic forge
tribal chasm
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nvm I see this has been discussed, my chat was scrolled way up

true fox
#

I can't wait for the delay announcment. I mean info!

earnest pulsar
#

Just speculating here. Do you guys think a different food / nutrition system is in the works? I wonder if Ark 2 would adopt a similarish system to Atlas wrt needing to eat different food types. Having a variety of fish may play into that. Thoughts?

winged dome
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Managing vitamins and getting penalized for not doing so was the worst part of Atlas, so hopefully not. Getting buffs from better quality foods or recipes is alright. Maybe nothing for just boring cooked meat or berries, but taking the time to make an actual meal could give healing/stam regen buffs or something

earnest pulsar
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That makes sense. And I agree with your thoughts. That was one nice thing about the food progression in Valheim. Though I don't really want main stats (i.e., HP) to be tied to food. I did like the soup buffs from Ark 1. Will see how that plays out.

untold totem
winged dome
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I just remember a lot of starter Islands not having all 4 vitamins available so endless deaths for 'poor diet' 😂

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Or food not going down fast enough to get vitamins without 'overeating' and dying

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Early Atlas was a mess

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But overall, most survival games do food really unrealistically. Who eats 12 steaks a day just to survive?

sour bane
#

will ASA have new weapons or tools?

winged dome
#

At launch, probably not. With new DLC(s) probably

sour bane
#

i hope the hitboxes with weapons are fixed

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cause sometimes they don't work

winged dome
#

Hitboxes are mostly fine, hit reg and bad net code are the issue

sour bane
#

true

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i hope they add a rocket turret with different rockets as ammo that are mainly anti flyer and cost less than normal rockets

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and automated not the mounted one we already have

lime forge
#

Just imagine Ark without piss poor hit reg.

cold swift
#

Question, is there an appropriate channel for questions regarding the new release of Ark Survival Ascended? I would like to inquire about the tethering feature and if it is going to persist in the new Ark.

winged dome
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We don't have a dedicated channel for Ark Asc, so until we do then here is probably fine. Or at least the mods usually don't care enough to send us to General 😂

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I don't think we have any updates about the Tether system yet

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So I'd imagine they'd be mostly the same until we hear otherwise

cold swift
winged dome
#

At least on Steam I know you can increase the Tether distance to pretty much whatever you want, its only really an issue for caves and Gen1 transitions, right?

sour bane
#

what's the tethering system?

winged dome
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If a player joins a non-Dedicated host, they're Tethered to the host can can't get too far away from they without being rubberbanded back

cold swift
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Yeah for some context I have two Steam versions and my family has a few Xbox's, we tried Steam and only Steam and Steam could play. Then we bought from MS Store and then we had the PCs hosting and the xboxes connected to the server. Then we ran into server / game versioning issues and it impacted play. Plus more work than what we ideally want to do.

I don't want to pay nitrado or any hosting subscription. I was just looking for something where me and the family could play, pick up when we wanted to play and then put it down. We also didn't care for playing on PVE servers where 100% of the map prevents building because of the pillaring / PVP with the raids

winged dome
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Best I can suggest then is maybe find an already hosted low pop Unofficial server - I don't have much experience with Crossplay though, so not sure how many there are available

sour bane
#

i really hope that ASA Ark 2 doesn't have those problems

blissful perch
cold swift
#

Yeah just a heads up if you want PC / Xbox to talk - on Survival Evolved its gotta be the Windows Store version lol. Found out the hard way.

@sour bane agreed, make it like MineCraft tbh

sour bane
#

i just hope Ark 2 is released on Ps5 on the next couple of years

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cause I don't want to buy ps6 when it comes out

blissful perch
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Ark 2 is supposedly coming late 2024 to PC…so it’ll be even longer for PS

cold swift
sour bane
#

and i can wait for Ark 2 but i hope that it runs SMOOTH cause Ark in it's beginning was anything but smooth ,especially on the pvp side of things

cold swift
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Yep i remember running naked through the forest being chased and bolaed by people / thrown in a wooden cage

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smooth

sour bane
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and that it has interesting mechanics that are not overcomplicated or require research out of the game as much as possible

sour bane
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getting grabbed 2 miles away

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half the game was get a ptera , level speed melee and c spin anyone you see

cold swift
#

people would drop raptors into my base and just laugh at me lol

blissful perch
winged dome
#

Simple to learn, difficult to master

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Like Valheim or Monster Hunter, combat is simple at first, but if you get into it theres a lot of hidden combos and attacks you'd otherwise never see

blissful perch
#

The gold standard

sour bane
#

complex is nice but sometimes games can get overcomplicated with their systems

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it is difficult to balance i think

cold swift
#

yeah i never got the quick commands for console for the dino actions, they use that wheel and on PC its so much easier to control

blissful perch
#

Complexity is only worth it if it adds something substantial

sour bane
#

yeah gigas should be a complex tame but have similar stats to their wild variants , and each tribe can only have a pair of them.So they would work as your tribe's best tame that you would need to use strategically , cause you only get to have 2

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because now they just replaced the rex as the main battle mount

cold swift
#

I hate them, I lost an argy because I couldn't get out from under it lol

sour bane
#

and maybe the taming process would require multiple tribe members so that there aren't many solo tribes with 2 gigas each

untold ingot
#

Gigas with similar stats as wild varients and a limit of 2 implies no breeding gigas, which means they would be weaker than the current bred ones lol

sour bane
#

wild ones have like 80k health minimum no?

untold ingot
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Health doesn't mean anything

sour bane
#

i don't think so

twilit hemlock
untold ingot
#

On a giga it makes no difference

sour bane
#

i just prefer the idea of having a big giga with bleed bite and tons of health that is used similarly to the titanosaur and isn't just a bigger version of the rex with a broken bite radius that makes everything else inferior

twilit hemlock
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I can see changing the way of taming to make it a little harder but making it non breedable and changing the main aspect is a biggg change.

Rex’s are still good and used for boss fights. Gigas are mainly only superior in open world pvp and maybe osds

sour bane
#

yeah my idea was meant to influence the pvp aspect of things

twilit hemlock
#

And I suppose pvp on sone specific base spots^

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I think revisiting the bite hit box to make it a little smaller so u can fight from behind and not get bit would be good. But giving it bleed would make it insanely strong

sour bane
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that's why i put a limit of 2 per tribe

twilit hemlock
#

And limiting to only 2 a tribe would ruin the breeding aspect of it and the taming needing multiple people would make it impossible for solos to get it

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Would be unfair to limit solos to not be able to tame. I could see just making them non breedable but I don’t think I could see the only 2 a tribe.

sour bane
#

The idea is that other big dinos can be used as battle mounts

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without the giga being far superior than anything else

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replacing any dino in a pvp fight scenario

twilit hemlock
#

I mean it’s definitely up there but I wouldn’t say it’s far superior than everything else. Look are charcs… and most fliers can counter it by picking the rider

sour bane
#

yeah charc changed things for sure

twilit hemlock
#

Velos can counter with a height difference.

sour bane
#

but i mainly mean ground mounts

twilit hemlock
#

It’s definitely hard to say they are far superior than every other mount. When a pt can counter it yk?

sour bane
#

cause yeah wyverns and pts

twilit hemlock
# sour bane but i mainly mean ground mounts

I mean it is the “alpha” predator so it should be one of the strongest. It’s a rare spawn and one of the biggest Dino’s. It would be silly to have a Rex that’s half the size be comparable

sour bane
#

i don't say a single rex should rival a giga i say maybe limit it's bite radius or make it non breedable

fallow niche
#

If ark2 has gigas

sour bane
#

yh i mean for ark 2 mainly

twilit hemlock
sour bane
#

cause now carch are here

twilit hemlock
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For non beeedable idk. Then charcs would also need to be non breedable and then get a buff.

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Them*

sour bane
#

yeah I'm just sticking with the bite radius i think

fallow niche
#

That's assuming any of that is getting added to Ark 2.

untold ingot
#

Gigas being nerfed to wild stat equivalents would basically make them worse than spinos lol

twilit hemlock
#

Just thinking on how it would be weird to have an “alpha” predator but it not be the strongest I could see them make it non breedable and give a bleed

real egret
#

is tek getting added to ark 2 or is it gonna be strictly prim?

sour bane
#

cause honestly it's only weakness is that it can be shot easily from far away and it's rage mode

fallow niche
twilit hemlock
#

I think they said they were going more prim than ark 1 as that’s what they originally envisioned for ark 1 but don’t think anything was fully confy

twilit hemlock
blissful perch
#

I remember there were issues finding the tweet

blissful perch
fallow niche
blissful perch
#

@split dove I trust you here

sour bane
split dove
#

idk if i can fish that one out, didn't know there was a tweet about it

sour bane
#

i hope in Ark 2 raiding or fighting with dinos has a lot of options

blissful perch
sour bane
#

yh i get it

blissful perch
#

And for the love of all things may mutation capping get a dirt nap lol

fallow niche
blissful perch
split dove
#

i thought that was from a community crunch

blissful perch
#

Could be

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Either way, I’m in favor of pinning it

nova sonnet
#

me when theres no capped suits in ark 2 😡

fallow niche
#

If it exists XD maybe we all just think it does

winged dome
#

Tek Mandela effect 😂

blissful perch
#

Nobody needs stats out the dang wazoo

twilit hemlock
blissful perch
#

Fair question - there should be a cap on the stats of things. But it shouldn’t be multiple times higher than the base value of the gear

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For example if flak is 100, the best available should be 150 MAYBE 200

untold ingot
#

The biggest issue is that capped flak is like 100x better than prim. There should be less of a discrepancy

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I would like to see base flak be more durable, and capped flak to be halfed in armor and quartered in durability

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But that has to be paired with an equivalent nerf to Dino stats, turret damage, and nerf to speed otherwisr it'll be worse than it is now

twilit hemlock
#

That would make sense

true fox
split dove
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no tek tier like Ark 1 yes, there will be a non functional tek scrap tier.

true fox
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source?

untold ingot
true fox
#

link?

untold ingot
#

I am at work, I don't have a link

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But given the recent trend of tweets not matching official statements take it with a grain of salt

split dove
#

this one for tek scrap

true fox
#

Oh, thats basically a blood promise.

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and not a throwaway comment

untold totem
#

and then there is the Scrap Tek Tier in the Rex Saddle and the Weapon/Shield reveal

true fox
#

Don't be silly, there's no tek at all, that quote says so

blissful perch
#

Appreciated. Thank ya

untold ingot
blissful perch
#

I can see the same name ascribed to an entirely different type of functionality. IE no more Jetpacks but maybe some other salvaged functions

true fox
#

My position is still: it’s just way too early to be saying anything definitively.

south lance
#

mechanical gliders with updraft mechanics

mental turret
#

Will they really come again with a Delay but now for ASA ? I am not sure about that they must learn something from the shitstorm from the last time , i mean what kind of marketing is it when they give us some exciting info for the next crunch and then is it only a Delay straight in our face.

tropic forge
serene onyx
true fox
#

From June 2021. That’s what everyone is hanging their hats on

serene onyx
#

Ok? Never asked for that smh

fallow niche
blissful perch
#

It’s a design philosophy question

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It’s as certain as WC saying any other ark 1 thing is or isn’t in ark 2. If you want complete proof, wait to release 🤷‍♂️

inland juniper
#

Ark 2 with tek would be a caveman learing to fly a plane

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What if there points on intelligence

untold totem
#

So... Technically it will work

winged dome
#

I'm pretty sure the Implant is there to help guide you to building/using things, thats how we can build Fabricators and shit out of stones and bits of metal

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So not necessarily 'caveman', but caveman with an instructor

stray elm
winged dome
#

At least during the survivor's story, maybe - but now that Helena Ascended and is actively guiding survivors through the Arks at least, its a reasonable theory

desert swallow
#

what does the implant do story wise?

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Gives you access to Siri?

winged dome
#

Or if it did work that way, it was less noticeable
Hence Mei's effortless learning of Tek

desert swallow
#

They should do an experiment and freeze someone for a thousand years and see how easily they adapt to new technology. I'm going to guess it can happen pretty quickly.

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Also need to remember, the more technology advances the easier end products are to use. Like a gun is much easier to shoot with then a bow and arrow for the first time.

stray elm
winged dome
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Translates languages?

stray elm
#

Just a translator, tracker for the Overseer, and with Helena's help it helps respawn survivors.

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Nothing to do with inventory shit.

winged dome
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Inventory interface is just a thematic game mechanic

stray elm
winged dome
#

Do we have proof it doesn't help in some way?
Do we know all the Tekkies can build a Replicator off the bat? Even if you use computers every day of your life, can you reasonably build one by hand?

desert swallow
#

using computers has nothing to do with building something by hand. Most people good with computers suck at building stuff by hand.

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You would think the implant has something to do with it. Like the Matrix kind of

untold ingot
#

Hey, I am good with computers and I know construction 😂😂

desert swallow
#

I worked for a military contractor as a software dev. Most of my peers couldn't use a socket wrench.

untold ingot
#

But yeah, there is no conceivable way that a survivor on an ark would be able to know how to make everything. Unless you buy into the idea that they were doing it for hundreds of years and remember everything

stray elm
#

If it did have an impact, they would've confirmed it in the notes by now.

winged dome
#

Just because something isn't directly mentioned, doesn't mean it absolutely doesn't happen

stray elm
#

When there's 5 years of built-up lore, and the implant has already been talked about multiple times in the notes. It kind of does.

winged dome
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It just isn't mentioned

stray elm
#

If it's important to building, then it would've been mentioned by now.

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What 'is' important in building though, are engrams.

untold ingot
#

It is notable that the rest of the survivors on the island prebob didn't have tek

winged dome
#

Ok, so tell me then how survivors were able to build guns on the Island - by hand

stray elm
#

Do you not know what an engram is?

winged dome
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Are Engrams Lore official?

stray elm
winged dome
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Link me which note specifically they're talked about

stray elm
# winged dome Link me which note specifically they're talked about

It's somewhere in the Gen-1 lore, but HLN-A states 'the Engramic-matrix'
Which is fictional, but basically it's the idea of a humans energy or some shit still being active thousands of years post-death, and you able to put that energy into another person, allowing you to share memories.

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What's his name from Gen-2 is a failed attempt of this if I recall.
Hints why he has two personalities in one body.

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Engrams are neurons that're dedicated for memory-banking. (which is real)
ARK's logic is basically forcing engrams into other humans, and so you share how to craft something if they did.

winged dome
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So the Implant DOES provide the knowledge to build and use things! Just like I said 😂

desert swallow
#

but wouldn't something like an implant be needed for that?

stray elm
#

The engramic-matrix is with the brain, not the implant

desert swallow
#

Then why do we look at our implant to look at this matrix

stray elm
desert swallow
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and it glows

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oh ok, we're talking about reality here. My mistake

stray elm
#

We're talking about in-universe

true fox
#

Are you talking about Rockwell?

winged dome
stray elm
true fox
#

Gaius Nerva?

stray elm
stray elm
desert swallow
#

So in the game they thought we'd just look at our implants when using inventory because of reasons?

true fox
#

Oh ok. Was worried I missed some more

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lore

winged dome
#

But I'd say its safe to assume we don't know the full extent of the Arm Implant's function. It is possible that it could be related to the memory implant and Engrams

stray elm
stray elm
winged dome
#

Just outright shutting down a theory because it isn't completely spelled out in the lore is why nobody really brings up theories in Lore Nerds anymore 😂
Because Experts™️ just immediately shut them down because it doesn't fit their narrow interpretation of the lore

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Theres so much more we don't know about the lore than we do - and its fun to theorize and think how things might be connected

desert swallow
#

to me, the implant would be something like the plug in port in the Matrix movies.

true fox
#

We do know the implant contains the homo deus record

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Which the name implies is like a download of, well, you

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It would also line up with the ability to transfer into another you on another world

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But there are huge lore gaps

sonic elbow
#

Biting my tongue rn

winged dome
#

So unless you can 100% prove that there is absolutely no connection between Engrams, Survivors building modern technology out of sticks and stones, and the Mental Implanted Memories/Arm Implant - is it a possible theory

stray elm
winged dome
#

Don't hold back - if you prove me wrong, I will leave this Discord forever

sonic elbow
#

Bro waht 💀

true fox
#

Could be. Who knows. It’s fake video game lore

astral token
sonic elbow
astral token
winged dome
sonic elbow
#

When people have theories and claim them as fact, that makes then ignorant.

sonic elbow
winged dome
#

You've literally shut my theories down that exact way 😂

stray elm
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And writers Reddit account.

winged dome
#

And I always state with intent - theories are THEORIES, not gospel

sonic elbow
#

If you did, then I wouldn't have shut them down. (I have no clue what he's on abt.)

stray elm
sonic elbow
#

Spit yo shizz brothas spit yo shizz indeed

true fox
#

I’m sure there is contradictory lore out there too, since it is written by multiple viewpoints

desert swallow
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From the wiki:

"Though little is currently known about the true nature of the device, it quickly becomes clear that the device is essential for daily survival on the ARK. The implant is involved in a variety of everyday activities for survivors, including accessing the Inventory, Crafting, Leveling, and unlocking Engrams. It is also involved in interactions with other alien structures and technology found throughout the ARK, such as Obelisks."

winged dome
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Thats mostly a gameplay function though, so I'd say not really relevant

blissful perch
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Dw guys, the real lore is that Santiago is Vin Diesel

desert swallow
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well actually that's never mentioned in the explorer notes and is only shown in the theatrical game play trailer and therefore is not canon.

narrow siren
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i dont see how yall can get deep into a conversation or argument. i jus start staring into space tryna turn it into scenes so i can understand it 😆

untold totem
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We should make a podcast or something

blissful perch
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I’m not sure how everyone managed to dodge this critical piece of the lore

mint swan
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Will you update ark mobile?

lime forge
worldly garden
lime forge
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Very nice.

south lance
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based

raven pulsar
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When will ark 2 release

molten bear
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next week

timid viper
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Any idea of Ark 1.5 will utilize more than 1 CPU core on the server 🙂 ?

untold ingot
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That is their plan

desert swallow
true fox
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I think you are being sarcastic but the pentium D was multi core…

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Core2 duo became the big thing in 2006

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i3,5,7 series in 2008

desert swallow
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yes, of course. It was lazy of them not to take advantage of standard hardware.

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or cutting corners, which ever way you want to look at it.

true fox
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To give them some credit it took game manufacturers a very long time to begin to thread. Compilers had to catch up, then game engines, scripting languages, etc