ark-2

[winged dome]

Also, just me or is that Fab really small?

[snow silo]

We gonna talk bout sloped roofs being 45 degrees now?

[winged dome]

Not much to talk about, most building mods had them that way for ages

CKF, S+ and spinoffs, CORE, tons more

[snow silo]

Console now has them

[winged dome]

Better late than never 😂

[snow silo]

For sure

[desert swallow]

It's acute but we should try not to be obtuse.

[snow silo]

Triangle puns

Nice

[winged dome]

Just triangle? Might need to look from a different angle

[true fox]

I appreciate the artwork improvements but god. Please give us some kind of roadmap update!

[winged dome]

For all we know, everything is on track

[stray elm]

For all we know, everything could be off track.
Never hurts to give more updates on the actual development then just screenshots

[true fox]

"Everything is on track for our launch" would have been a wonderful line

[short fulcrum]

Large storage boxes will finally fit under one high walls

[trail trellis]

I hope we get a better way of placing objects

[true fox]

Mesh and snap points were in the April feature list

[trail trellis]

Oh nice

[tropic crag]

Typically when they say that, all they get is a few flag and poop emojis and a few million rants/complaints, so I can see why they chose radio silence on that front 😂

[ripe cedar]

With wildcards track record, unless they say they are on schedule, i will assume they aren’t, and like bruising said its not likely they would say that anyway so i guess, my thoughts are will probably have delay because thats how game dev works

[barren island]

What about ark mobile 2 launch is it real or fake news?

[worldly garden]

ARK revamp of ARK 1 is real.

[languid bluff]

What type of game will ark 2 be? Ive been hearing people say that it will be more like Horizon or Dark souls, etc etc.

[tropic forge]

something like that

[verbal wind]

ark but with less tech and different combat?

[languid bluff]

If thats actually the case, I am going to love it, same with my father ( who hates ark itself )

[tropic forge]

check steam ark 2 page to know more

[languid bluff]

alr

Ok so from what I am seeing, Ark 2 will be akin to a mix of Horizon and Far cry : Primal

[tropic forge]

anyway ark 2 as being delay for the end of 2024, next thing is ASA thats suppose to coming soon

[languid bluff]

mhm

[verbal wind]

just 2 months fingers crossed

[tribal chasm]

I would be disappointed if it was like 'everything pushed back 6 months' delay
The new building changes are interesting, I wonder how it will affect certain builds such as crafting stations/Gen2 space tunnel bases (where lots of stairs/pillars were used)

[desert swallow]

it will affect them.

1x1's and 1x2's in pvp will be a bit bigger

you can fit more inside, but might be a bit more noticeable.

[blissful perch]

Would be nice if PvE got 1x1, 2x2 etc wall sizes to play with

[mint swan]

will ASA delay same as ARK2?

[desert swallow]

yep 2025

[hard hearth]

They delay everything

[mint swan]

ok time for cut next investment portofolio

[tropic crag]

That's verifiably false

[true fox]

I don't think we have any idea what ark2 will be like, let alone enough to compare combat to another game

[harsh spear]

we know ark 2 will be more primitive and therefore making it more realistic how it would be to live in prehistoric times as a human and im a fan of that. i never liked all the tek stuff. imo it broke the game not just balance wise but also the immersion.

[winged dome]

How is it immersion breaking? Tek (Obelisks, Drops, Artifacts, ect) was in the game extremely early, and has always been a main point of Ark1's story

[harsh spear]

im not a fan of that either

[winged dome]

Not really answering the question

[harsh spear]

how is it immersion breaking ? because futuristic stuff doesnt mix well with prehistoric stuff

no, im looking at it as THE dinosaur game.

yea and im saying i dont like that part and im happy that they dont necessarily make that same stuff in ark 2

[blissful perch]

You can not enjoy the tek theme, but also acknowledge that the immersion of ark 1 is hardly broken by tek (this is my stance)…in fact tek is the backbone of ark 1’s lore and settings

NOT seeing tek of some kind might be seen as immersion breaking

[harsh spear]

if you think 3 glowing pillars justify flying on spaceships and shooting with lasercannons in an otherwise prehistoric world then sure

[tropic crag]

I wish the point was finished being articulated so that any one person could properly retort, that's what I think 😂

Oh, wait, I think I get it now, just the sentence structure is off

That still doesn't make sense at all though

[blissful perch]

It COULD have been like ark 2 - where the players operate in a post tek environment with primitive gear

But pretty early on it became clear that wouldn’t be the case…and I don’t see either option as immersion breaking

[tropic crag]

Yeah, basically the "prim plus is what the game should've been and I know this fact better than the devs" mindset you saw everywhere like 3 years ago

[harsh spear]

all people i talked to either didnt bother that tek was in the game or didnt like it, like me. Noone ever said, tek is the best thing about ark.

[tropic crag]

Nobody here is saying that, either...

Same here, I was in full support no matter where the game went

[harsh spear]

early on ? tek stuff came in the game pretty late.

[blissful perch]

2016 was it not?

[harsh spear]

the first thing that was game breaking imo was the tek suit. then later on came tek rifle, tek railgun and hover skiff

[tropic crag]

Nevermind the giant floating obelisks, or the strange implant in every player...

[tropic forge]

you do know tek armor was available before ark when official right?

[harsh spear]

no clue what youre saying

official release?

[tropic forge]

yeh tek armor was available on early access

[harsh spear]

pretty sure it wasnt. but if it was, i just never seen anyone with it

[tropic forge]

you might not see ppl using it cause to get element you had to do boss fights

ppl used to farm bosses for element

[harsh spear]

well i played ark pre official release

[blissful perch]

Balance breaking and immersion breaking aren’t the same. We all know that right?

[harsh spear]

for me its both. but im done discussing i feel like youre just here to argue for no reason but to argue

[blissful perch]

It’s broken balance for a Trex step to one shot any human sized player or creature. It’s immersion breaking that a wild 150 raptor can kill a low level rex in a 1v1

I’m just not sure you’ll like ark 2 then? It’s gonna have tek in the environment and the story

Element is the key piece of ark’s sci fi settings and story…it’s not going anywhere

[tropic forge]

wc already share info about refine a shield whit tek scrap

i had it 8 months before launch, bought when release on ps4

[chrome lodge]

I hope we see some ark on the xbox conference

[tropic forge]

dont hope much really

they share today a glypse of future games in UE5 and no ASA or ark 2 there, i just hope wc bring that kind of graphic in ark cause those games had a hell of graphics

[chrome lodge]

Trailer or gameplay for ASA

[chrome lodge]

Yeah

[winged dome]

I hope you realize Tek isn't immersion breaking because the 3 of the maps are Arks that are literally giant space stations in orbit above a post-apocalyptic Earth. Another map is a literal MMO simulation, and the last is a literal spaceship warping from planet to planet

[tropic crag]

Not worth it lol

[stray elm]

So the game shouldn't have the giant futuristic spires, nor the futuristic supply-drops?

[split dove]

just make the drops parachute dropped and make the obilisks giant ancient aztec spires, ez fix

[stray elm]

Ah yes, that wont fuck up anything at all.

[tropic forge]

to be that immersion nothing should exist not even humans just dinos 🤣

[wanton pike]

Just bring in fairies that will deliver magic boxes

[tropic forge]

meteors

[stray elm]

Hell, only a qurater of creatures will remain if we're only doing dinosaurs.

[winged dome]

Even less if they need to be from the same era

[tropic forge]

dont forget those dinos have to be realistic so i guess we end up whit map only 🤣

[wanton pike]

Or(serious this time) since the map is one big scrap yard with tek scattered around, create places where pieces of tek ships or something with loot drops.

[blissful perch]

It’s valid to say something like that is immersion breaking - for some folks it IS. Some people think it’s immersion breaking that there isn’t a multitude of meats available

What’s more weird is “it’s immersion wise ok to have tek in the world - I can suspend disbelief for that”

[tropic forge]

guess those ppl dint play turok

[blissful perch]

THEN say “but having tek on my body and using the element? Immersion dead”

[wanton pike]

Or seen Jurassic park

[tropic forge]

and jurrasic world almost ended like ark 🤣

there was some theories the last movies was dinos infuse whit guns

[wanton pike]

Yeah hahah

[wanton pike]

Oh god

[stray elm]

Think a lot of people forget immersion doesn't equel to realism.
An immersive game will make you feel like you're part of this world.
Whether the world is realistic or not doesn't matter. Cause you can find immersion in a high-fantasy setting.

[wanton pike]

To many sequels lol maybe they need to think about some prequels

[short fulcrum]

Anyone who thinks ark is a simple prehistoric dinosaur survival game hasn't played ark

[wanton pike]

True that. I didn’t get the point either lol

[tropic forge]

latest dino movie 65 was great and had guns in it 🤣

you know what breaks immersion if we going that path? a human killing a raptor or even worse a rex whit a primitive bow 🤣

[stray elm]

God I hope ASA gets rid of gamma.

[tropic forge]

theres a lot of things ASA needs to get rid of and yet i have the feeling none will happen

[wanton pike]

They need to get rid off the changing INI files on pc.

[stray elm]

That's already the case.

You can't change grahpical INI's on official anymore

But what they should do is make two separate INI settings that PvP and PvE are separately calling towards. Then we don't have to deal with one side needing to nerf something while effecting the other side.

@tribal chasm They had an official announcement stating you can no longer use graphical INI's on official.

But you can still do so on single-player.
Which is fine.

[tribal chasm]

Hmm ok thanks, I will try to find their posts about it

[tribal chasm]

Well I can't find anything about it officially, do you have a rough time estimate for when they said this?
Edit: ok on the 24th of Jan, under pc-patch-notes, Cedric posted about it.

[desert swallow]

Late to the party on this, but I think things will be more primitive for us (at least to start), but tek will still be a huge part of the story.

[tropic forge]

that happen a while ago, loads of crazy nuts when on a rampage crying for wc taken out INI, check around march

good question no clue

i remember wake up and this discord was on a rampage because of it 🤣

[ancient grail]

im excited

[harsh spear]

thats because youre expecting a release

but what if you didnt knew, you could not be disappointed

[blissful perch]

I think tek is gonna be front and center very early into ark 2. Much like starting on the island at level 1, I think we’ll see it’s influence very early on

[wanton pike]

Yeah I think so too, especially because they did say it will be primarily primitive.

[chrome lodge]

Maybe tek cave/donjon

[lapis fossil]

Could there be any News on Ark 2, Animated series or ASA in The Xbox Showcase??

[worldly garden]

ARK 2 very unlikely. The others, possible, but i'm not personally expecting anything.

[lapis fossil]

Omg, i usually Watch your videos, great fan man, thanks for all The Ark news and content

[worldly garden]

That's awesome! Glad you enjoy them and find them useful. 🧡

[sour bane]

i hope in ark 2 they rework the tree platforms so that they don't belong to any tribe that built them , so they're trible neutral and have no health bars so that the can't be destroyed.Then all of redwoods would be like tree platforms that you would have to destroy the bases on them to claim the platform for your tribe.

also maybe put a limit on how many platforms can be put on a map for latency issues.

[rancid harness]

Better yet, make it so you can cut down the trees with platforms on them xD

[tropic forge]

can you cut redwood trees?

[split dove]

only smaller ish redwood trees, not the ones you can put platforms on

[tropic forge]

so what this ppl on about???

[split dove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic crag]

Whe

[sleek ibex]

Does anyone think there will be ark at all in the PC Gamer show today or the Xbox, Starfield direct show today?

[harsh spear]

thats the most useless suggestion ive seen so far. are you suggesting that just so you can keep farming sap?

[untold totem]

those are Sap taps, not tree platforms lol

[harsh spear]

i know and you need tree platforms to access them

imagine you couldnt destroy tree platforms at some point the entire forest would be full of them and placed at bad spots . thats truely immersion breaking

[untold totem]

any form of spam is immersion breaking

tbh i want snap points for any platform, structure and saddle

[ripe cedar]

Well tree platforms are less viable because you have to defend not only from every angle but both above and below making it the single most open base option in the game

So make the platform itself invincible would remove half of the attack openings

[harsh spear]

how is that gonna improve anything ? its still a garbage spot to build your base on in pvp.

[ripe cedar]

well yeah but don't tell him that

[south lance]

just using yhe trees that exist on gen1 or in crystal isles is enough imo

thats how redwoods should be over needing tree platforms imo

just build on giant branches

imagine a map where you replaced all redwoods with those trees

thatd be cool

immense verticality

more than abberation honestly

[blissful perch]

I’d far rather seen trees with natural wooden spaces (like a dense canopy) that you could build on top of. Let the tree platform structure exist as is. I like the discussion point though 🙂

[sour bane]

the tree platform on itself isn't spacious for a main base but it would make a nice watctower for turrets with your main base being below.I just like the idea of a tree base .

and being able to destroy the tree platform ,hense your entire tree base, is making tree bases kinda obsolete no?

[untold totem]

People forget that ARK 2 is a sandbox game like ARK 1

Not everything is PVP focused

[untold ingot]

But it does have to be developed with pvp in mind as well

[wanton pike]

So no news about ark on the Xbox showcase event

[tropic forge]

nope

but startfield is coming on 6 of september so they better not delay ASA and give some real answer for some stuff

[blissful perch]

agree - I really liked the floating islands in the genesis 1 bog that are up in the trees...some biomes with a tight net of vines/branches that can be used to build upon would be really cool (and couldn't be broken)

that way, tree platforms would be available to pve and pvp folks (with associated risks), but you would also have some places in the game to build in the trees with less risk. Especially cool if tree platforms could be placed on large trees that are found in ANY biome, rather than redwoods (where the bulk of ark 1's tree platforms can be placed)

[true fox]

What game is that?

[desert swallow]

skryim and fallout meets no man sky

[stray elm]

Shit game + (if we're talking about Fallout-4/76) shit-game + shit-game on release.
That does not look good so far.

This is Bethesda. They're able to make their gameplay showcase better then the final product.

But as expected, nothing on ASA like some people where thinking we where going to get.

[untold ingot]

I mean they did say there would be nothing on asa

[verbal wind]

skyrim was alright. kinda short though

[stray elm]

I know, but people still thought so

[stray elm]

Story was shit.

[verbal wind]

it was lacking, yeah

i finished the main quest on accident

i didn't realize going to the place was endgame stuff, so i was surprised when suddenly ending cutscene

[true fox]

I enjoyed Skyrim and both of those fallout games but they were not play-for-years games like ark has been

[stray elm]

Like, they kind of are-ish

[desert swallow]

a lot of people played skyrim for years. It's one of the most successful games ever

[verbal wind]

it was successful every time it was released lol

[desert swallow]

that's generally when you make the most money

If it was crap why would people buy it again

?

[true fox]

For me, I mean. I’ve put plenty of hours into each. But I don’t revisit them that much

[desert swallow]

Same I probably put about a full 24 hours into it when it was released, haven't touched it since, but was impressed with it at the time.

[tropic crag]

Of course not, were you expecting it to? Bad move, if so

[split dove]

it's almost like the devs themselves said that we wouldn't get gameplay untill ''shortly'' before launch 🫣

[stray elm]

[true fox]

Game play and news don’t mean the same thing

[tropic crag]

Is never before seen gameplay not news?

[wanton pike]

What do you guys think about the top voted creatures for the creature submissions?

[tropic forge]

they all suck plus feels like kids submit them trying to cheat their ways in like the last bug, now this creature submissions are the real problem, outrages unbalances creatures

best part wc actually goes whit them

really makes me wander if ASA is actually an attempt to finish ark 2 and not what wc said of being so diferent style since you know they are the ones that are making the game for quite a while and only thought about it now????

[tropic crag]

Aside from homeboy's "wandering", I think there's some good ones in there, but still a few stinkers floating around that keep making it back for every vote * cough Gorgonops cough *

[left arch]

gorgonops is a neat little creature but it just has nothing going for it

[fast isle]

My grandkids will be so happy when I buy them ark 2

[frosty orbit]

Honestly, Ark ASA should have a season pass with some items skins / armor skins / buildings skins / dinos skins / emotes with a new currency called ''Ark Points'' which can be bought for real $

This way, they can have a bigger budget for the game and it's optional because it's skins, so, don't care if they make it

[jade trout]

Not everything needs a pass 🙃

[frosty orbit]

Anyway don't care, it's only positive if it's only skins

[blissful perch]

How about always available cosmetic dlc? Like deep rock?

[frosty orbit]

This is also cool

Or a system like Rust, you play, you earn an item sometimes in your steam inventory

[wanton pike]

I agree with most expect the season pass concept which will probably be overpriced knowing snail games and the ark points system that you can buy. Don’t want it to be a p2w game, the cosmetics are okay!

[wanton pike]

Yh I really don’t get what some of those creatures are doing in the top voting tbh

Makes you think that people have made alt accounts to get a vote in….

[rugged coral]

Fasalosuchus was a bait and switch. The concept art they used and the model they ended up choosing look nothing alike

[wanton pike]

I really wanted to see a bigger triceratops or ankylosaur in the top voting. More love for the herbivores would be nice.

[tropic forge]

Dreadnoughtus could be one but then ppl would go crazy asking stuff that in the end it would be a titanossaurus that would be permanent and breedable

[wanton pike]

Yh true or another hadrosaur would have been cool too

[tropic forge]

did you see what they put as ability for the honeybird or whatever was the name?

[frosty orbit]

Yeah I know and I'm not talking about p2w. Only cosmetics

And even if it's overpriced, it's only cosmetics, so, it doesn't really matter

[tropic forge]

problem whit that is next thing will be pay for land, pay for tames and so on, cause thats what snail games is praying to happen

[tropic crag]

You've seen the model!? How? Do you work at Wildcard?

[rugged coral]

…they released photos of it?

[tropic crag]

...That's concept art, my dude lmao

[split dove]

What did you expect from the ark community?

[tropic forge]

1st of april cc, remember that before calling others something else

[wanton pike]

1st of April seems sketch though lol

[wanton pike]

So a currency that you can buy that you can only use to get cosmetics?

I kinda want them to stick to hexagon points that you can not buy with real money, that can be used to buy all sorts of stuff.
I also want them to bring out a lot of cosmetics that you can only buy with real money. I know it is very money grabby but than it’s your own choice to buy the cosmetics and it isn’t forced.

[winged dome]

Oh look, it d-
Wait, you're not who I was expecting 🤔

[true fox]

Did snail buy wildcard?

[wanton pike]

Their services and their game only if I’m not mistaken. WildCard is still a company on itself

[true fox]

So they are like the publisher?

Thx

[wanton pike]

Yes they are the publisher

[frosty orbit]

Yeah but I'm talking, if they stay legit, only selling Skins / Cosmetics is good

[frosty orbit]

Could be cool, they can make so much skins for each tools / weapons and dinos. I'm sure that a lot of people would be ready to pay for that

[untold totem]

Nah I rather buy a DLC expansions

That also includes skins and a literal map

[frosty orbit]

Even skins for Cryopod for example and stations like the smithy, refining forge, etc

[frosty orbit]

Yeah but skins would be fast to make, easy to put in a shop and can contribute to more maps after, more budget

[untold totem]

DLCs are getting sale as well

[frosty orbit]

yup

[tropic forge]

remember the time that ppl actually complain about games having dlc's??? now ppl want to buy skins

[frosty orbit]

People complaining about dlc was like 20 years ago lol

[untold totem]

The reason they are in a financial dump because they give functional maps for free

Granted they are community built maps but that is too much effort for basically a mod map

[tropic forge]

yeh and looks now, ppl wanting to pay for skins, hell recently ppl pay 20 bucks to test a game before release 🤣

[frosty orbit]

Yeah but it's technically weird to just take the map of someone else, modify it a little bit and then putting a price on it

[untold totem]

Those DLCs back then are skin sets like the infamous Horse Armor

The only acceptable DLCs are story add ons like ARK did

[tropic forge]

mod maps and those community creatures should not be offical since their features is to have what their dlc's have ence less ppl will pay for them

i really dont get what wc is doing by allow free stuff to be part of the official game when is taking features from pay dlc's

[frosty orbit]

They could put them at a price, like for example $5
And they keep 10%, the guy that made the map keep 90%

[tropic forge]

yeh not gonna happen

youre forgetting snails cut

[frosty orbit]

Studio Wildcard have no rights or what

[untold totem]

You gonna love game publishers psychology use people's FOMO to gain more cash

How do you think I stopped playing Conan after their battle pass update

[frosty orbit]

the battle pass was pay to win ?

[untold totem]

Same with "limited skin" market

What I love about ARK is basically buying an entire chapter of the story rather just some skin

And they are getting cheaper as time progresses so I can't complaining about how expensive a $30 DLC is when Steam Sale exists

[frosty orbit]

But they can do both lol, the Conan Exiles battle pass was not even pay to win, so, I don't even know why would you care about that

Their artists can make some skins

[untold totem]

I hate FOMO

Fear
Of
Missing
Out

Like I just said, I stopped playing Conan for that reason

I don't like gamedevs that use mental psychology just to gain bucks

Granted ARK is Stockholm Syndrome: The Game but at least you don't pay for that

[frosty orbit]

If you don't love the battle pass then you don't buy it
and if you're interested then you buy it, not really that complicated

even if there is some ''Fomo'' it's only some cosmetics, literally if you buy it, it's your personal choice

[untold totem]

It is complicated if you are talking about addiction especially shopping addiction on top of gaming addiction

Personal choice be damned if that "limited edition" skin will be gone forever

Least forget we have kids taking parents credit card money for skins

Since skins are cheaper than full functioning DLCs

[tribal chasm]

I'd support it only if it went towards something benefiting the player (ie better moderation, or updates :P)

[untold totem]

At this point It is better to not have official servers

That is technically what an unofficial server will do

[frosty orbit]

Naaaah, Official Servers for the win

[ripe cedar]

No officials would be awful for pvp at least

[split dove]

yh let's waste resources on a minority of the playerbase

[untold totem]

Yep

Official L

[ripe cedar]

As bad as officials are most unofficials are even worse in one way or another

[untold totem]

I mean... Look at conquest and official before that

[ripe cedar]

Conquest is manage by snail games

So its kinda different to other officials

[tribal chasm]

1000's of players having fun in 1 cluster, vs barely 10 people on a server, with inconsistent mods/rates/stability o.O it doesn't compare

[ripe cedar]

This guy gets it

[untold totem]

Most "bad unofficial" are PVP servers anyways

[untold totem]

I rather be with my friends than kids that inside, bully, and cheat

And the best thing about sandboxes

You can do whatever you want

[ripe cedar]

Whats your point?

[untold totem]

The point being is that "fuck official"

And fun is subjective from person to person

[ripe cedar]

Dont those two statements kind of go against each other

[untold totem]

I mean if relentless cheating is their definition of "fun" sure I guess

[ripe cedar]

I think having active servers with mostly consistent rules and rates that last throughout the games entire lifespan is a good thing but i guess if you think the more lackluster moderation compared to some unofficials makes them not worth it then that is up to you

[untold totem]

The funny thing is most of it are unofficial, non-dedi, and SP that keeps the game going

Even if WC pulled the plug on official

There will always be private servers aka unofficial and non-dedi

[ripe cedar]

Maybe on console unofficials work but on pc 99% are deader than a doornail

[untold totem]

I guess you never been on a YouTuber run clusters

[ripe cedar]

Too many mods

[untold totem]

Plus not everyone wants to play with strangers anyways

[ripe cedar]

Then they dont have to

You seem to be really defensive and think that i want everyone to play the game exactly the same way and that i think nobody can enjoy unofficials when thats not true at all

[untold totem]

Well now you know why you think "most Unofficials are dead"

Only a few wants to play with vanilla settings with no mods

Mods are the only thing that keeps this game running for 8 years

More than your typical game

[ripe cedar]

Ok and thats why i like officials but you seem to want 0 official servers which i am saying i dont think should be the case

[untold totem]

Yet you want active moderation which is what unofficials have that official dont

[ripe cedar]

I want more active moderation but i dont think that having to go to unofficials is worth it most of the time

[untold totem]

If a say a server does have admin abuse

People will just easily jump off and move to a better one, promoting better and fair moderation

[ripe cedar]

Well depending how much time you put into a server if something happens and you need to change for whatever reason you cant really transfer progress between unofficials like you can on official so if you want more consistency and less risk of your server shutting down unannounced then you can take that risk on unofficials

[untold totem]

Official cannot even keep their paid admins to do admin job compared to unofficial admins that are majority volunteers

[ripe cedar]

You seem to consider moderation as the main thing that would make someone consider a server and guess what some people have different priorities for what they want in a server

[untold totem]

Since ASA and ARK 2 will have console mods

I doubt official will last since the demand for modded content is still there

See the ARK Additions creatures being suggested in the votes

The reason being official has consistent population in consoles because ARK 1 doesn't have the ability to have mods (legally)

[compact zinc]

do we have an estimated time for ASA release?

[frosty orbit]

Around August 31

[stray elm]

End of August is the closest we have

Official will shut down soon around the same time

[compact zinc]

oooh i didn't know its gonna be so soon, i thought 2 years more at leastt
thats a nice surprise tho

hope its gonna be optimised tho 💀

[tropic forge]

just gonna ask you two things, who as the biggest transferable community, unofficial or officials? whit that tell me who's the minority?

[untold totem]

WC already stated than official is the minority in the crunch

Plus I noticed the migration from official servers to unofficial especially the PVE side of the community

[tropic forge]

yeh now after so long plus announcing ark 2 and now ASA who's gonna keep playing on a doom server?

[tropic forge]

again whit all these news for sure, hell i quite before gen2 open transfers

[untold totem]

I am still playing

There are some people who prefer the old

How do you think "dead" online games are still going

Unofficial Servers, that is why

Hell ATLAS is still going despite being a "dead" game

[tropic forge]

it gets to a point officials have to go off no douts there hell wc pulling 8 years was bit much but selling a online game that you have to rent your server to play it its almost the same as putting subs on the game

[untold totem]

Non-dedi servers still exist

[tropic forge]

and mods aint for everyone cause almost most mods are in a way of cheating

[untold totem]

If you think mods are "cheating" then you don't understand how sandboxes work

[tropic forge]

sure

[untold totem]

Official doesn't mean a "defacto" or "the right way"

It means it's just run and backed by the devs

[tropic forge]

teleport resources that a dino just farm that dint stand in the inv for more than 1 milisecond, teleport anywhere, unlimited sap and soo on

[untold totem]

And?

[tropic forge]

that was so many mods that my brother had on is pvp server that i barelly join and stop playing

[untold totem]

People play their way

That is what sandboxes are

Hell even SP has boosting sliders

[tropic forge]

and thats not cheating? 🍿

i quit

[untold totem]

It is not if it's approved by the server

The only that is "cheating" is exploiting and loopholes

Again official is not the "proper way" to play

[untold totem]

Just play a linear game with restricted rules with no private/unofficial servers

That is the literal opposite of a sandbox game

[tropic forge]

i guess then the game its wrongfully build than, whats the point of having any rates for farming breeding building, it should be everything done as you wish by pressing a bottom whitout 0 effort

[desert swallow]

They have admin commands to do that if you have admin access.

[tropic forge]

unofficial rent ppl have a lot more than admin command, they have complet control over the server and its their rules their friends the only amount of servers they wanna pay to make a cluster and the final decision when that ends

[blissful perch]

I do tend to, in conversations like this on, point out that minecraft is a stupid popular sandbox with 0 official servers

[tropic forge]

but between have to play under someone's mood or to pay subs to have rules and a just game for everyone i rather pay subs but in the end might just skip that game 🍿

[tropic forge]

and? i dont play minecraft but if i wanted to buy it and see there's 0 offcial servers and the game is build to have team work and not playing solo i rather not buying it

[blissful perch]

Ark doesn’t mandate teamwork anymore 😅

That was true in 2015-2016 perhaps

[tropic forge]

everything is made for team work either pvp or pve, dont try to compare sp to official

[untold totem]

Valheim has 0 unofficial servers yet it is still going

[tropic forge]

valheim i kill every boss whit very little dificulty

[untold totem]

Conan barely has known official servers (because tbh that game is a kink sim than a PVP game)

[untold totem]

They are adding difficulty sliders now

That proves that there is no "the right way" in a sandbox game

Plus ARK 2 is getting rid of the survival bit, means no longer be restricted by hunger or thirst

[stray elm]

The point in a sandbox is to play your own way.
That's literally the marketing definition of what makes a sandbox game.

[ripe cedar]

They never said this

[untold totem]

I recall they said that in extra life

[ripe cedar]

I bet that ark 2 will have eating and drinking

[ripe cedar]

They said that the survival elements would be limited so probably just eating/drinking and environmental hazard like heat and cold

[untold totem]

Basically no change at all?

[ripe cedar]

Well yeah ark 1 already has very basic survival elements, it was probably to temper anyone expecting them to go all out on hyper realistic systems

[stray elm]

Jeremy on stream confirmed they're toning down the survival aspects

[blissful perch]

They explicitly stated the retention of food and water

I heard it as WC not including the cringe vitamin system

[untold totem]

NGL I like GS change to the system where balance vit = buffs rather than over or under = death

[ripe cedar]

Also maybe make food rarer than berries literally everywhere and 1 dodo giving 1000s of hunger points per kill

[untold totem]

There is nothing wrong with berries tbh when the cause of that is hunger and thirst rate is too fast overnight

People can survive longer than that without eating and drinking

And would go faster if you want to recover health and stam naturally

[desert swallow]

eating and drinking in games will never be realistic. "You have died from malnutrition". "You have died from scurvy".

[tribal chasm]

Man you'd have to try pretty hard to die of scurvy on Ark, with all the berries around

[desert swallow]

True, could add some toxic berries to kill you randomly

[formal relic]

Unofficial > official

Hopefully we’ll get some info if they’ll release unofficial servers right at ark asa startup

[true fox]

I had not seen that. Source?

[true fox]

Part of that is active level though

Running and fighting are huge energy drains

[tribal chasm]

I have fond memories of the early days, running up the mountain in Island's South Zone 2, to mine metal. Any time I would run up or down it, I would be out of water (plus the mountain itself was 'hot weather'). Unfortunately once people get to the dinosaur stage, this is removed almost entirely

[silver lantern]

Yo just dropping in to ask, do we know if tek will be as prevelant in ark 2 as it is in ark 1 and (presumably) ASA?

[winged dome]

Less Tek and more of a primitive focus in Ark2, though that can change in later content updates

[tropic forge]

bwahahaha i just talk about this dino today https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/topic/690110-introducing-dreadnoughtus-the-terrestrial-battleship/ and how over op ppl would made him 🤣

[split dove]

people still vote based on how stupidly op the suggestion/vote creature is presented first instead of what it actually looks like lmao. i thought people learned their lesson with the Dinopithecus gun suggestion from the vote vs what Wildcard ultimately gave them as final abilities when it got added.
but then again, the ark community isn't known for wanting to maintain balance or making smart decisions

[untold totem]

That is the truth

The sky shrimp doesn't have the "sky tuso" part of the suggestion lmao

[blissful perch]

Spend time in an ark chat and you’d cry too. It’s inevitable

[untold ingot]

It's memes that win creature votes, that's my take

[true fox]

I think it’s power combined with “cool factor”

[blissful perch]

Charchar disagrees

[true fox]

People have opinions

[south lance]

faso didnt have memes behind it

that was entirely how cool it is

which is fair

the only issue is that so many new creatures would be better as tlc

[untold totem]

it's either memes or getting all the abilities as possible ala "PVP ability bingo" even if it's not realistic to the creature

[sour bane]

i really hope that when they add new creatures in ark 2 they don't overcomplicate their taming methods cause some of them in ark are just not that fun.Like the dinopithecus or the amargasaurus have way too many steps.I remember when the thyla got released it was a standard knockout tame , nothing wrong with that.

or find ways to tame like the equus or andrewsarchus which are alternative fun ways to tame.

[stray elm]

Kind of wrong when they're pretty boring to tame.
But I do agree that the Dinopithicus is comically overcomplicated for how shit it is.

[blissful perch]

I look forward to ark 2 never using KO taming

However, the complexity of a tame needs to be paired with an increase in…the tame method not being buggy or downright miserable. Removing taming effectiveness for example would help

You can make stuff like amarga taming revolve around “don’t let it die” instead of “don’t let it take damage”…which makes sense given you’re supposed to FIGHT with it

[fast isle]

I don’t want to be running back and forth from a carnivore waiting for it to get hungry

Ko taming didn’t make sense but it was effective

[frosty orbit]

Ko taming is just better in general, you can tame multiple dinos, you can pick them and put them in a cage, you put Kibbles / meat / berries in their inventory and then you go tame something else and etc etc

[fast isle]

Exactly

Just hope they keep some things the same. Ark was fine it just needs balancing and bug fixes

A lot of it

So glad tek is removed

[frosty orbit]

I agree that the mid game is probably the best

Being in metal armor is fun, being in Tek armor is just overpowered

[fast isle]

And annoying… bola became ineffective. And to get nets to have a fighting chance in pvp I have to buy another map

Yay p2w ark

“Buy genesis get tek from drops and 3k element in 30 minutes from the element biome”

[cold path]

Or just play on no import servers

Import is fundamentally stupid

[tropic crag]

That... is literally KO taming lol

[fast isle]

Being attacked…

[tropic crag]

You didn't say being attacked??? Unless I missed something completely

[blissful perch]

I should have elaborated. I want standard passive taming gone too

Make the taming engaging the entire time, and make it shorter but harder to execute

[split dove]

I'd rather put 10-15 mins of actual effort into something more engaging and challenging then "down/feed it and afk for x amount of time" like we currently got

[eternal condor]

So when is ark 2 coming out?

[blissful perch]

End of 2024 is what we know

Tbh - just wait for the announcements channel to tell you. No use relying on anything else since it’s imo a guess

[eternal condor]

Ughhh hopefully soon

[blissful perch]

ASA hopefully this fall

You good?

Most people don’t harp on the exact same thing every time someone says something

Same critique I have of everyone whipping “minority of the playerbase” commends everywhere. TASTE.FUL. USE

[split dove]

[split dove]

I do keep that one saved for special use

[lunar finch]

@mint swan If you have an issue with someone, block them. Move on, please.

[wanton pike]

I just hope they will allow raiding everyone in PvP ❤️🤙🏼

[tropic crag]

... You can raid everyone now, though?

[harsh spear]

imo they should do 1 of 2 things:
a) build more caves in maps so enough tribes can have a base spot
b) make every cave unbuildable

[mint swan]

I will totally do that

[sour bane]

severely limiting caves and ratholes could provide with a more open base building experience but more chaos too

[thick tulip]

i wish titanoboa or basilisk could constrict...why is that not a thing yet

[tropic crag]

While there is descendants of the titanoboa that are classified as constrictors, there is no evidence to suggest that they themselves did so, but as for the basillisk... idk man lol

Not to say they couldn't make titanoboa a constrictor, to be fair

[harsh spear]

its kinda obvious that titanoboa was a constrictor, big snakes are. and titanoboa was the biggest ever. smaller ones are the venomous ones.

kinda weird they gave it venom

[tropic crag]

It's not that it wasn't, there's just little to no evidence that the real world titanoboa was, in fact, a constrictor. Most of it's remains are discovered with fish bones, actually

But the Ark titanoboa is a hodge-podge of various extinct snakes anyways, so

It should be like, 4 times it's in-game size too 😅

[thick tulip]

grappling mechanics aside, lol i feel like "historical accuracy" doesnt matter all that much...i mean, the dilo was based off Jurassic Park dilo lol

[tropic crag]

That's what I was saying, with this

[thick tulip]

truth be told, i just want to strangle a rex with a basilisk XD

[tropic crag]

It's a game, they can make the giga 2 foot tall if they wanted and have it be canon 😂

[tropic crag]

That would be a sight to see, to be sure!

[vapid stratus]

Guys i heard multiplayer servers are gonna close soon because of Ark 2 or something. Is it real ?

[tropic crag]

Official servers for Ark: Survival Evolved are closing, but not because of Ark 2. That honor goes to Ark: Survival Ascended, a remake of the first game in Unreal Engine 5 with improvements and more coming in August

[vapid stratus]

Oooh i see thanks a lot

[tropic crag]

And to reiterate; it is only the official servers being taken down, unofficial will be unaffected in any way

Np mate 😁

[vapid stratus]

Thank you

[split dove]

if you want to be absolutely sure your source is 100% true you want to use all official Wildcard sources/sites

[true fox]

• coming after shutdown of ark1 on 8/31 so probably not august but hopefully close enough

Unless you are interpreting “shortly after” to mean minutes and not days

Sources: community crunch 355&356

[tropic crag]

As far as we've been told, it's coming in August. I can't really in good conscience tell someone something that isn't true, until proven untrue 🤷‍♂️

[true fox]

Where did it say coming in august?

356 days shutdown of ASE on 8/31 and ASA “shortly after”

[split dove]

Crunch 355 ARK: Survival Ascended is a next-generation remaster of our beloved ARK: Survival Evolved, harnessing the power of Unreal Engine 5. It will be released on Xbox Series S/X, PC (Windows/Steam), and PlayStation 5 by the end of August 2023. The base game will include The Island, SOTF, and all the “Non-Canon” DLC maps (which will be added to ASA over time).
first bit of text about ASA

[serene onyx]

Look through the crunches ….

[tribal chasm]

They have to nerf stegos if they want outside bases (or caves with stego sized openings) to be a thing.
Trikes, Reapers, Box Paracers were the only things that could really soak tek turrets before, and very inefficiently...
Now any bob can throw a stego and have a hard time dying / easy to heal them up too

idk it's a lot more than stegos tbh, it's going to be very chaotic and easy to raid outside of player-capped servers

[tropic forge]

isent that the 1st april cc? cause the second is diferrent

[tribal chasm]

Remember element will be hard to obtain too so, 1 stego going to soak so much tek for free

[true fox]

I did and 356 says servers shutdown 8/31 and ASA 'shortly thereafter'. I have no references for 'released in august'.

[true fox]

Flobs, then LATER crunch 356 says

[serene onyx]

Only officials are shutting down

[true fox]

"This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch."

[serene onyx]

You gotta read them better

[true fox]

which is newer than your quote.

356 updates their previous plans in 355, which you quoted

If you have newer information, please share, otherwise, 356 stands, which says shutdown is 8/31, before ASA launches

[serene onyx]

Yes of OFFICIAL

[true fox]

IF you interpret 'shortly' to be 'minutes/hours' and not 'days'

[serene onyx]

not unofficial

[true fox]

We're only talking about official

unofficial goes nowhere

[serene onyx]

Could be any

[true fox]

no changes to that, sp, etc

[serene onyx]

Yeah

[true fox]

356 says shutdown 8/31 and then it after. While I hope that means 8/31 knowing WC i dobut it. But now we're ust arguing over the semantics. Lets wait and see what actually happens

[molten jackal]

Ark 2 = bad

[tame hornet]

🤓

[molten jackal]

😭

[winged dome]

Oh shit, my man must have some insider info for such a definitive take

[serene onyx]

Wait how you know? Share the info you totally have

[molten jackal]

No sex update

[serene onyx]

😨

[desert swallow]

Someone make a 10 minute youtube video about this!

[molten jackal]

Ong, I'm disappointed

[desert swallow]

Wild Card is just like having kids. A constant source of disappointment and embarrassment.

[rare merlin]

Lmao

[storm vortex]

When is the real ease date of ark 2 and will it come out on console

Release

[worldly garden]

End of 2024 for PC/Xbox Series S/X.

[stray matrix]

Today

[thick tulip]

Elon Musk recently got approval for human brain chip installation trials. i wonder when Ark Neural Interface will be released lol

[ripe cedar]

Never

[stray matrix]

Today

[sour bane]

honestly wildcard needs to figure out what mechanics they're gonna have going forward because i don't really understand some of their game choices.Like there are many shoulder pets in the game and you can't really do anything with them ,they only really attack things at very close range.Imagine being able to throw a vulture when mounted on your dino or a microraptor to dismount an enemy player.

with a simple attack command and not having to dismount your dino throw the pet and then attack command.

[winged dome]

You know thats already a thing, right? At least on PC - Pressing R throws a shoulder pet while mounted

[tropic crag]

I didn't wanna say it lol

[winged dome]

I may have accidentally yeeted a Bulbdog or two into molten Element trying to grab a cool screenshot and pressing R by mistake

[tropic crag]

Bulbdogs for the bulbgod

[sour bane]

on ps4 too?

[winged dome]

Dunno, but probably. I don't play controller

[blissful perch]

Controllers having fewer keybinds is always a problem for games like ark that benefit from them. It’s a console L

The PC L is that we can’t move orthogonally lol

[untold totem]

Accessibility L as well

I made do using the keyboard for non-gameplay stuff like emotes and chat

Tbh the Sky Shrimp is the absolute limit on what I can do on the controller given how too much you can do with it

It doesnt help that I have to use a different input for grabbing things aside from wyverns and Tropeo on jet mode

[true fox]

Most of the shoulder pets are for non combat uses.

And those uses can be awesome. Otters are great for artifact farming for instance

[harsh spear]

no its just not ready. releasing is like turning in the paycheck. they wouldnt be to lazy to do that.

[tribal chasm]

If small tribes is not a thing, I hope they can at least somewhat address the megatribe situations - either by allowing people to Boost servers to the point of an obnoxious amount of players (like 500 players), or adjust raiding/defending mechanics so it is designed for say 100 players (players online = turrets more damage/health) or something lame like that

Make it like other games where mechanics scale up with the more players you have :^)

[tropic forge]

something tells me they are not gonna make a single change in many of the gameplay problems

[blissful perch]

Not for asa

The entire point is to make asa similar to ark 1

[true fox]

I want you to be wrong, but this is WC

[nova junco]

Any bets on how long asa will be delayed until? 😂

[tropic forge]

knowing wc my bet is "soon"

[serene onyx]

A month or 2 probably

[nova junco]

I'm going to say it's dropping sometime Nov through Christmas if they actually do all the stuff they want to. Good chance it's released on time but then has the exact problems of ark 1 and no new balancing

[tropic forge]

Dynamic navigation mesh and creature pathfinding overhaul (AI pathfinding)
Photo Mode
Nvidia DLSS
Dino/Baby Management QOL
Wild Babies
Snap point improvements (new snaps, logic improvements)
Character creation & customization improvements
Cross-platform Multiplayer & Full Blueprint Modding (I know we mentioned this before, but we’re serious, it’s happening on PC and Consoles at launch, and we’ve got it working internally with Overwolf technology – this dramatically changes the nature of the console experience).
this was their top priorities on 356 cc regarding to ASA, do you really think balancing anything its gonna be done?

[nova junco]

Scroll all the way down on the post

New content, QOL improvements, balance, and gameplay changes, including but not limited to:

I would be stunned if they managed to put even half of the stuff in

[blissful perch]

A surprising amount of the list isn’t too hard on paper - it’s likely been done by mods or WC in test builds already

[tropic forge]

yeh thats why i mention their top priorities, dont think they gonna do much more just enough to sale or at least thats the felling cause they are only showing crap for the eyes nothing else so far

[nova junco]

Same problem we had with ark 2, it's about to release and all they show is assets 😂 wonder why

[tropic forge]

you call it assets i call it pictures

we dint even sough them moving

[nova junco]

That's true. On the fabricator picture it should be sticking thru the stairs but it's not. hmm 🤔

[hallow berry]

is ark 2 going to be like terraria 2

“Ah yes just one more FINAL UPDATE and then we done”

“Ah yes just one more TRULY FINAL UPDATE and then we done”

“Ah yes just one more ACTUALLY BEING FR guys plz FINAL UPDATE and then we done”

“oh what ark 2? We were planning on adding a resin mantis with generating armour and alien-esque reproduction ”

[stray elm]

Well, unlike Terraria-2 we actually have a storepage/in-engine trailer for ARK-2

[hallow berry]

yea ik

I was just making a mental connection to other games who won’t release their second and graduate from indieness

[winged dome]

No, no, seriously! One ultra-final-mega-serious-last-update-ever

[sour bane]

the code needs to be cleaned too ,12 gb for rhyniognatha and it;s bugfixes update is anything but optimal

[wanton pike]

AI can do that for you

Lol 🤪

[storm vortex]

What do you mean

[true fox]

I don’t think sky giga itself is taking up all 12 G

[verbal wind]

i imagine there are other unrelated things added

we all know ark is an unoptimized mess

[harsh panther]

holla

[drowsy hamlet]

Hopefully the remake will actually be better

Would be nice if it ain't 180gb

Uhh I mean 240

Or was it 500 I honestly can't remember

Honestly all structures already been done mostly, drops are remade and no idea how many dinos but I think the might delay a week but mostly the can make it

Mhm will see the still have what 2 months?

I'm not expecting months of delay on this tho

I mean on the day it's supposed to come ill be most likely on vacation so don't really care lol

[ripe cedar]

Is like 130 no dlc 550 with all dlc

[drowsy hamlet]

Dammmm

Yeah I have all

If we can drop that to 200 or less would be nice

[worldly garden]

They didn't change models. Fabricator is size 1.0 in engine, but when it is in game it is expanded to 1.3. This is why it was smaller in the reveal.

[desert swallow]

so now wildcard is just making up magic numbers and putting them in their game. curious. 🤔

I really don't understand getting all worked up over the fabricator. Did people really want to see the old fabricator sticking through the stairs? Did they feel that it proves it's clearly an arranged scene, when it is clearly an arranged scene?

[winged dome]

I'm more hyped about the bed slippers 😂
Hopefully won't need a mod or something for small details like that anymore

[desert swallow]

A pile of dirty clothes on the floor would add to the realism

[worldly garden]

I think it's more about people seeing it as not a true representation of the changes and that the devs are hiding what ASE really looks like. I can understand why people made a bit of a fuss about it, but at the end of the day it hardly matters.

[true fox]

August.

[true fox]

Certainly would if it were my kids room!

[dry flame]

Okay, but hear me out:

What if different types of metal and wood this time around?

Instead of just "metal" or "wood" we get "gold" "copper" "iron" "tin" "hardwood" "softwood" (or alien tree names IDGAF).

[south lance]

ark2? i mean maybe

but ultimately all thats gonna do is change how many resources need to be farmed

you can exploit that to force exploration, tho it might also make farming more tedious

[dry flame]

Proper balancing of recipe requirements can reduce tedium.

It would also help reshape exploration. At present in Ark 1, the best course of action is to take over the area with the MOST resources, since most resources can be found in multiple places. If, say, iron could be found commonly but gold for electronic circuitry (or some weird alien sacrifice ritual IDK) were only in a couple of places, you've got some PvP hotspots.

[winged dome]

Atlas kinda tried this, different islands/regions had different specific resources (Soft Wood, Hard Wood, ect) but they both count as 'wood' for the sake of crafting. Better quality blueprints would require multiple types of specific resources to craft, making exploration or trade required to get the different kinds of resources needed

I think it would be interesting for Ark2, especially with component based crafting actually having meaningful impact on the stats/abilities of items

Maybe resources taken from a specific biome will give bonuses while in that biome - stealth bonuses, durability, ect - so customizing equipment based on the biome you're exploring will be worth it over using catch-all 'meta sets'

[true fox]

I’d be interested if you could do additional work to a base that would decrease decay time

But make it very hard to do on a large base

To encourage smaller bases

Like this is steel clad poly siding over hardwood. Each panel is an hour or two of real work but doesn’t decay for 60 days

[true fox]

Doubt they would do it though

[untold ingot]

I like this idea, maybe there should be an alien tree that you have to harvest and then use to extract new resources

[untold ingot]

Yes, but then all the bobs complain about gatekeeping, because apparently raiding a resource spot is too hard

[ancient grail]

hola

[dry flame]

God I hope SotF takes off and caters to that crowd though.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I do like some casual pvp too, but some people take it to a ridiculous extreme lol. Like why play pvp if you don't like pvp

[blissful perch]

Some people like combat and don’t like feudalism roleplaying

[ripe cedar]

Sotf and actual ark pvp arent even close to comparable

[blissful perch]

Gotta remember official PvP is ultimately an anarchy (or at best feudal) system that has combat. It’s not a combat centric experience from a mechanical “what are you doing” perspective like even sotf is

[dry flame]

Right, which is probably where most of the disconnect is with regard to those that don't want to raid resource spots. They're just meant for a different form of PvP than what standard Ark offers.

[blissful perch]

It would be cool if resource raids didn’t involve extremely prolonged turret soaking -> slow pushing -> ages long sieges

But it’s probably a better idea to just make a new format that’s faster paced

[untold ingot]

It doesn't take that long though, unless they are online

[ripe cedar]

Then offline raiding would be even easier

[blissful perch]

…ideally PvP takes place online

[ripe cedar]

But thats mainly a smalltribes problem i guess

[blissful perch]

😅 otherwise it’s PvE with extra steps

Sure, i agree there’s a balance to be struck. But you can imagine a world where resources that are very limited have some other feature (say the interior of the genesis 1 volcano) that makes them unviable for an established base. Or have some other means of restricting the size of an outpost so the PvP is a bit more fast paced than normal

[untold ingot]

Honestly that's what pvp is lol

Pvp is mínimaxed pve with occasional fights

[blissful perch]

Tragic since PvP could be so much more if WC doubled down on getting players into fights. But it’s too expensive to die in ark so that’s out the window lol

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I would do the same when I was at that point

[blissful perch]

Correct

[untold ingot]

Usually if you don't have a massive offline timer you don't get wiped

Well, I usually ran solo, so it was harder to do

Yup, for sure. But I still fobbed resource spots and did online raids

[tribal chasm]

How is it for people in Europe to fight on US servers (or vice versa)? As an Aussie for example I literally cannot bola/comp bow/fab sniper moving targets, weapons take longer to reload...list goes on. I can't do the big honorable pvp fights in this game like people want, I am forced to use 'lame' winning tactics instead

[harsh spear]

it depends, if they are closer to EU, you can get around 100-150ms ping so its decent and you can do most stuff but in pvp you are always at an disadvantage.

[nova junco]

Flamethrower goes brrrrrr 🔥🔥🔥🔥

East coast US not too bad but west coast to Europe is a lot worse I think

[harsh spear]

but in ARK servers vary very heavily. I can find a better NA server than a EU.

[nova junco]

Yeah I feel like some of the server locations are wrong lol

[harsh spear]

hard to tell, there is many things that could impact the server stability

[nova junco]

I remember having had better ping in Europe server than people actually in europe

Which makes no sense

[harsh spear]

okay thats weird, though the reason could still be that those other people have less bandwidth than you.

[nova junco]

You can make the ping spike if you have a massive cave built out or something and all of the pieces are snapped together by just picking up a ceiling

Among other methods lol

[harsh spear]

i remember when just farming berrys with bronto it would lagg the server and people told me i could get banned for doing that , though i was just playing the game

[tribal chasm]

I see, thanks for the responses
yes it's a shame certain legitimate actions in Ark 1 can cause such server troubles. They should probably sort out chainsawing sheep, bronto berries, transferring slotcaps into exomeks/replicator etc

[nova junco]

I was just farming berries I swear, I didn't know my tribemate was also rocket running that base 😂

[harsh spear]

if people lagg the server they usually do it to duplicate. And its a shame there is people doing this in the background for years. I hope stuff like this gets fixed in ASA though i have my doubts cuz ARK is such a stacked game with all kinds of interactions.

im not sure if its still a thing but it definetly has been for a long time.

[nova junco]

There was a dupe you could do with transmitter like within the last year but idk if it was fixed. Probably not lmao

Ark would be such a solid game without all the cheating and a little balance for pvp 😔

[harsh spear]

i agree. though in ARK's defence, there is cheaters in pretty much every popular game right now.

cheating in general has become a bigger problem in recent years, not sure why.

i think the only way to prevent cheating is to do it like WoW does, by having active moderators spectating suspicious behavior from the playerbase

[stray elm]

Cause advancing technology for cheating is faster then anti-cheat softwares.
Watched a video about it, and was interesting

[nova junco]

People realize there is money in it I think. People cheat and sell their stuff for real dollars. Really grindy games make it worse because people with lives are willing to pay to keep up. There's a lot of money in it

[sonic elbow]

Fortnite Battle Pass

[blissful perch]

A big foundational reason for why I want ark to speed itself up, especially for PvP

Lotta folks probably feel pressure to RMT just to get their foot in the PvP door…something imo that could be resolved with some game design changes rather than a 🤷‍♂️ approach

[blissful perch]

Mat gathering is sped up. Breeding lines and getting RNG blueprints is not

I understand theft and trade are options, but the worse/newer you are the more vulnerable you are to bad trades or RMTs as you’re way to get “in”

[hallow berry]

No

[nova junco]

Agreed the power gap is huuuuuuuuuge from someone just starting and someone with a bunch of time on a server. It wouldn't be as much of an issue but most of pvp "skill" is just having the better tool for the job in this game

[desert swallow]

that's why a lot of competitive survival games have seasons with wipes

it's the nature of a survival game

[nova junco]

Capping breed lines at 20/20 on both sides for pvp would be a good start. No more stacked mutations. Then just give creatures a buff when fighting bosses based off of the number of melee and health mutations they have so you don't have to rebalance all the bosses

[desert swallow]

wouldn't stop you from being wiped while you are offline.

[nova junco]

Maybe it would if they couldn't use God stegos and God flak lmao

[desert swallow]

they'd just use paracers and trikes and use a few more of them

[nova junco]

It would be a step in the right direction

[desert swallow]

People were draining turrets before god stegos came around.

The main problem is raiding favors the attacker

and all defenses are static. And static defenses are dumb

[blissful perch]

pretty easy to rebalance bosses for ASA...it's a new game after all

[blissful perch]

not wrong

[blissful perch]

offline raiding favors the attacker - online it favors the defender. Especially with ark's cave meta where defense is stupidly easy as long as you don't get soaked lol

[desert swallow]

right, but who raids when someone is online

[blissful perch]

so true

[winged dome]

Exactly the point and part of the imbalance 😂

[desert swallow]

I would say a good game design would make it so you don't need someone online 24/7

that's not healthy

[short fulcrum]

I hope that wildcard add the pvx servers from mobile to asa

[blissful perch]

i kinda support the idea that NO game should encourage round the clock attention to itself

lotta people buy drugs and lose their money gambling too

doesn't mean i have to support it

no i don't think it is. It plays into a phycological weakness, and is extremely easy to get addicted to

[desert swallow]

video game addiction is an addiction like any other.

[tribal chasm]

I have said the solution to this, it's how cross-arks and small tribes worked before cryopods
you have to add logistics and prep to raiding again, there is a reason why you saw 1000 bob bases around the map

[desert swallow]

destroys lives

[tribal chasm]

and people can go offline that way too, the maths and logistics is off to the point where, someone has to really be dedicated / skilled / prepped to raid you

not impossible...only caves were impossible back then (or certain cliff bases)

[desert swallow]

Sounds like you want an easy game.

"I am a smart person"

[nova junco]

Right but they are obviously not going to redesign the whole game lol

[blissful perch]

for ark 2 they easily could and already are

[desert swallow]

you tagged me first with the exact type of comment.

if you can't handle it, don't dish it out

[blissful perch]

it's just not true?

not every game applies constant pressure on players to return to it - for example if I close COD, I have no fear that someone will delete my progress when i eat dinner or go to sleep

[desert swallow]

Sure the second is mean, but you are claiming something is a false equivalency just because it applies to all games. When the entire premise started with good game design should not promote being online 24/7.

[blissful perch]

people get addicted to cookies - does that mean people trying to avoid exposing others to heroin are using false equivalency?

[desert swallow]

Without getting overly personal, you are defending this like I've seen people who are addicted to video games justify their behavior. Including myself in the past.

ok

[blissful perch]

i assume you're aware that games can wildly range in how addictive they are...and games that STRONGLY encourage or (in ark's case) threaten you to be aware of it at all times are certainly more addictive than others

[nova junco]

I meant for asa, it is sounding like ark 2 will be completely different

[desert swallow]

No I said you are doing what people who are addicted do. They try to minimize, or say "Atleast it's not this" or "atleast I'm not doing that" or "This is worse than what I'm doing". I don't know you at all, and only base that comment on what you are saying right now.

"You can say that for ALL games, not just survival ones, which need base monitoring. So yes, it is a false equivalency, as you're trying to say it's only equal to a specific genre /because/ of needing 24/7 monitoring." Is an example of minimizing the addiction that ark can cause.

[untold ingot]

What is going on lol

[desert swallow]

I say to someone. "Hey man, Ark is really addictive, you should tone it down a bit" And I know this isn't how the convo went with us. But then that person says "That's true of all games, everyone does it, what's the big deal?"

I just hope ark 2 doesn't make 24/7 necessary and offline raid protection is thought through.

[tribal chasm]

They can't really do offline raid protection or 'peace time' without shutting down servers for that duration

ie 'this server will only be up between these hours per day'

[desert swallow]

ya wouldn't say it's impossible, but it needs to be core to the game and not an after thought

[blissful perch]

the idea of a companion app made me wince for this same conversational reason

[harsh spear]

not true. raiding always favors the attacker. its just a question whether you as the attacker has enough offensive ressources to be able to succeed. but you need fewer ressources to attack than to defend

[blissful perch]

people need LESS reason to mentally focus on a video game

[untold ingot]

It is never necessary to be online 24/7

[untold ingot]

Um, raiding does not favor the attacker lol

Raiding in ark is heavily on the side of the defender.

[desert swallow]

Sorry the context of this was to have someone in your tribe always on

[untold ingot]

If there is 40 people in your tribe why is this a problem?

[desert swallow]

it wouldn't be if you have that many people, you could be pretty casual in that situation.

[harsh spear]

f.e. if someone is tek rifling your turrets on genesis 2. it costs them basically nothing. dinos losing hp to turrets costs nothing

[untold ingot]

Tek rifle doesn't hit from out of range of turrets...

They have to be within turret range for the tek rifle to work. And if that is the case then it's not because it's in their favor, it's because you either can't defend or can't build

[tribal chasm]

nervous monkey meme with the 20 different ways people could tek rifle without getting shot by turrets

[untold ingot]

If a base is built wrong

Or they are already in

There is a reason people use tek rexes lol

It is pretty indesputable that raid defenses is in favor of the defender except in the cases of huge skill discrepancy or equal resource allocation

[harsh spear]

we agree to disagree

[untold ingot]

For an online raid?

I would call major skill issue on that lol

[harsh spear]

u can easily fly with hover skiff and put gasbag on front to soak turrets and fly away if its low health. and u get the hp back for free. bullets are expensive

[untold ingot]

Offline yes, against a bad base spot

Online, not a chance lol

Skiffs have no hp, it takes like 6 shots to down then from full hp

[harsh spear]

ur probably in a 30man stacked tribe and never experience how to defend a base solo

[untold ingot]

Nah, I have 8k hours of pvp, 6k of which was as a solo on smalls and unofficials

I have defended solo against tribes of 30 people and won.

[desert swallow]

skill issue on their part

[untold ingot]

That also

[blissful perch]

One would argue that’s mandatory to lose a 30v1 😅

[harsh spear]

who said 30v1

[untold ingot]

I mean, I was using mantis before mantis were good

[untold ingot]

Me

[desert swallow]

I'm thinking they tried the Mongolian horde method of lighting campfires at night to make their army look bigger than it actually is.

[untold ingot]

Lol

It's not hard if you have a better setup

They were probably a beta full of bobs tbh

[desert swallow]

was it like Bruce Willis in Nakatomi Plaza?

[untold ingot]

Dunno what thst is

[desert swallow]

Die Hard

30 thugs raided the tower and he killed them all

80's movie. Action movies back then were even more unbelievable then they are now. But the good ones are still pretty great

[nova junco]

Until like 2 Tek turret shots miss the gasbag and blow the skiff up instantly haha

[untold ingot]

Fr

[nova junco]

You can Tek rifle hatchframes and stuff but you have to los the turrets. Unless they are just dumb and put them on medium or something 😂

My favorite way to raid is whistle attack arthro style on survivor only turrets

[tribal chasm]

That reminds me, single player testing vs real server testing is very different
all the small things raiding wise will have to be re-tested for 1.5
The 100 of small things are unlikely to be caught when 1.5 launches...will probably be very easy to raid others

[harsh spear]

ikr.. thats why i said ASA should have a beta test. If there is some stupid exploit which is very likely, then that stuff will remain in the game or they have to wipe which would also suck.

[nova junco]

Exploits wouldn't be that bad, but for some reason ark devs have a "we are never ever wiping official servers even if there is sketchy stuff going on" attitude. A beta would be a good idea lol

Official should have been wiped multiple times after all the stuff and duping methods they fixed

Pve servers I could see staying up forever but these competitive pvp servers need to be wiped when major stuff happens

[harsh spear]

i remember when you could tame bloodstalkers easily by just letting them suck you to death multiple times and do the last bit of taming progress with blood ... then they fixed this and suddenly you had to only use blood which then turned down the taming effectivness so hard that you would need a lot of mutation breeding to get the same stats. but the people who tamed them earlier had the juicy stats.

[desert swallow]

Who needs QA when you have players

[halcyon dirge]

@harsh spear i think everything you said just said is proof of a skill issue and you have not experience a big enough tribe to learn different metas

and now i get banned

gg admins

[south lance]

i think the issue is when the average player gets wiped faster than they can reach end game

or any level of competitve play

so they need to be inducted into groups of people who know stuff

and most of them have quotas and minimum hour requirements

which is a slog

basically requiring 10-30% of your week devoted to ark

and in those cases its not doing anything fun for the most part

there isnt really a bulleted list of how to get everything you want in a very very short amount of time that casuals can access either, since yeah you can bypass all the above garbage by knowing how to play

you just have to ask a bunch

or these bits of info exist online, but its not mentioned enough, so most people never get them

[untold ingot]

Watch YouTube, and play boosted unofficials to learn. Or join a beta

[south lance]

most unofficials are way too resource and gear lenient

[south lance]

the beta part is what im referring to here

and the youtube part is the most efficient

for some reason most people who play games just refuse to use youtube tho

its kinda where the sentiment of having better in game resources to learn the game comes in with a lot of games ive seen

[untold ingot]

It's a good place to practice...

[untold ingot]

It's pvp, if they don't do their research they are going to lose

[south lance]

yeah

but whether ultimately their ability to learn how the game works is technically in their hands or not doesnt really change that these players do quit

at least more hardcore forms of pvp anyhow

idk what the ratio of players between highly boosted unofficial pvp and lower boost/official is

and both are probably dwarfed by pve/solo

[lime forge]

Fireballs for Ark 2.

[lime forge]

Cap

[untold ingot]

Taming method of fasolosuchus sounds kinda cool

[winged dome]

Sand Shark Croc

Equus x Explosive Demolition Derby

Except the other cars are rocks

[true fox]

Fireball solves everything

[tribal chasm]

Maybe they can meet you in the middle, and allow thrown torches to set things on fire

[verbal wind]

so we get a Dodongo

[winged dome]

Y'know, now that you say it ...
It kinda is 😂

[lime forge]

God damnit. Now I gotta beat Ocarina of Time again. Thanks kris.

[verbal wind]

lol

it even kinda looks like one

swims through the sand, you KO it by driving it into a hard surface after stunning it with explosives

[lime forge]

It does haha

[frosty herald]

Will it be pvp servers on ARK 2?

[winged dome]

Yes, why would you think there wouldn't?

[ocean seal]

The dossier says you have to be quite mental to try… and I am quite mental

[blissful perch]

Wildly incorrect chat

[winged dome]

Hey look, another channel ignoring post!

This one sounds extra dubious

[tropic crag]

I can't tell if they're insinuating that they buy Steam accounts (which is highly illegal) or they're just asking for someone to play with (which isn't related to this channel's topic at all)

[serene onyx]

Sorry?

Huh

Wdym L buy

Make your own steam and get ark

[fallow niche]

[serene onyx]

[tropic crag]

It's not like it'll be useless to buy in a few months anyways, or isn't on sale all the time regardless 😅

[serene onyx]

True

[stone canopy]

Ark 2 releasing within the next decade? Seems unlikely

[winged dome]

More likely than you think

[tropic crag]

Free pc check (had to complete the meme)

[mint swan]

Already beaten it 3 times

[lime forge]

That’s it?

I beat it more than 3 times on every platform it’s available on.

[shrewd cairn]

dude whens ark 2 gonna release :/

[pearl fiber]

Is ark 2 coming to PlayStation or Xbox and pc only

[lime forge]

Xbox and PC only as of now. I’d imagine it’ll hit PS after EA is over but nothing official has been stated.

[lime forge]

Man it was supposed to release in 2022, 2023, and now it’s 2024.

[mint swan]

I can beat the first gohma boss in under half a minute

[rough gate]

In my opinion a rushed game isn't a good game

[lime forge]

Well fortunately for you and your opinion “rushed” is the last word anyone would use to describe Ark 2s development

[olive escarp]

Yea but the longer they take the better it will be

[lime forge]

That’s debatable

[worldly garden]

Not necessarily. More time doesn't mean better output, I mean more time is more time for new issues.

[olive escarp]

That’s true

[lime forge]

Imagine how much spaghetti code they could make with this extra year haha

Fantastic way to look at it GP

[untold ingot]

Too little time makes a bad game, too much time doesn't make it necessarily better. The best code is what is written relatively quickly and efficiently. It's like trying to write a perfect essay. Spending a year on it might not be much better than spending a month on it

[frosty orbit]

Better this way 👍

[true fox]

I wish they had planned ASA launch a bit better. Waited until they had something ready to release or at least show us. Then announce shutdown with some overlap. This messed up limbo of half abandoned half diehard ark1 players is depressing

Also, Happy Fathers Day!

[tropic forge]

imagen those that quit when they announce ark 2

[blissful perch]

Die hard ark fans need a break 👍. I think this is good for everyone

[frosty orbit]

We need a DLC in ark Ascended in which the entire map is underwater, no cap

[blissful perch]

Ocean dlc for ark 2 at minimum 😇

[true fox]

I bet some did. But a shutdown is way different than announcing a far-in-the-future sequel

[true fox]

Never!

[true fox]

You mean Subnautica?

I bet you could do an ark map underwater. You would need to have shallow area and some method of regaining stamina

Some early game scuba like things. Maybe a mask that gives you air but only in a few feet of the surface

[blissful perch]

Diplocaulus could actually be useful

[frosty orbit]

Aberration for example is only a cave
This DLC could be only underwater, you spawn with a weaker Scuba. All the spawn will be at the top of the water and for the end game you need to go down

[tropic forge]

i did, why should i continue to invest time on something that had timer bomb, but none would predict what follows, having this schedule is different for sure but still like you said they should get their stuff ready to release instead of rushing to release news that they cant support and dont have any clue when its ready

[blissful perch]

I instead see you spawning on small islands (like Gen 1) or on a beach biome on a couple small flat islands…and the massive bulk of the map is underwater

Lots of shallow waterways like swamps, mud flats, reefs, etc as well as shelf biomes that lead into deep abyss biomes and open ocean

[sour bane]

i would like to see a map that is a huge island cluster that you need to go from island to island to move around but also have a deep underwater system with many caves and like some early game tools that can work like early game scuba or sth .

Nothosaurus would be a perfect fit there too if it's fast and can dive well

[blissful perch]

Genesis 1 basically, but bigger

[sour bane]

and the islands aren't just big pillars with nothing in them

[blissful perch]

Hmm. I dunno. I kinda would want the land masses on the ocean map to be unviable for building

They should really only exist to spawn on and get the bare starter basics

[sour bane]

yeah that's a view maybe have no flyers too apart from pelagornis maybe so you can't just go everywhere without a hassle and have the majority of resources underwater with maybe a few metal nodes scattered in the surface

[tropic crag]

Genesis 1 ocean biome but more shelfs and other things like Shifter said, but anything above water or close enough to it to matter is unbuildable as it's the starter zone (and also it's a whole map with engrams and dinos and the whole shebang)

[sour bane]

yeah that is pretty nice but i prefer like an archipelagos map that is a island based (not the map) and underwater too

[blissful perch]

The center is pretty close to that, though the aquatic biomes are a bit left behind by ark’s development

[manic panther]

I’d like a nomadic map, where you have to travel to progress, and only dinos that walk.

[untold totem]

basically any map with flyers, cryos, and teleporters disabled

[true fox]

Imagine surface space. But non buildable except maybe campfires etc

[true fox]

Underrated map

[sour bane]

maybe they will do a dlc for ASA or Ark 2 with unique sea gear and animals like they did with Abberation

A sea boss is overdue..(apart from Gen 1)

Also it sucks to constantly have to look out for jellyfish near the surface ,maybe they're better off in deep waters

[blissful perch]

I proposed that sort of thing!

[tropic crag]

I think a map that has no flyers and is just... a normal map? Like Gen 1 but not specialized biomes? Would go over very well imo

For ASA or Ark 2 tbh

[untold totem]

Basically just Ab

[tropic crag]

...But Ab is beeg cave tho

And is a specialized biome lol

[untold totem]

Same with Gen 1 tho

[tropic crag]

No, and I want to flay the person who keeps propagating this ideology

[blissful perch]

This guy

@manic panther. We chatted about a nomad focused map and experience for a DLC

[tropic crag]

That's... what I said, is it not? I want a map that isn't specialized biomes, unlike Gen 1/Ab, to have the no flyer rule. I.E. , The Island, or The Center, or even Rag, but with no flyers (as an extremely basic example)

[sour bane]

Cool😀

[sour bane]

The oceans of ark need a major overhaul though cause apart from deep waters and maybe the swamp the only real threat is a slow shark and an obnoxious jellyfish

or eels

which also suck

[blissful perch]

you are totally correct - it's why I want an ocean DLC for ark 2

I don't want the same attention ark 1 gave to its oceans! I want a massive, DLC level overhaul to how oceans work and how they play

[sour bane]

that could make the game 100% more diverse in the future

if you take in account all the applications

[blissful perch]

agreed. But I fear that people want ark 2 to launch with an ocean...which given the sheer amount of new mechancis and content that is promised on land means to me the oceans would be kinda half baked

(thus, a DLC I proposed should be considered, and #oceanDLC was born)

[sour bane]

yep I'm all about that

i hope they go with the approach on adding more tiers whith ark2 as the game goes by up to like a fabricator type tier and not lock the best tier behind bosses like they did with tek

[blissful perch]

i hope instead of adding more tiers they add more content within each tech tier

or "sidegrade" tiers

for example a special smithy type or something...same tier, but new stuff

[sour bane]

they are gonna start with primitive no?

[blissful perch]

it's primitive period - not just to start

[sour bane]

that is their main focuse in ark 2 i've heard

[blissful perch]

that's correct that there is no tek tier and likely nothing modern

[sour bane]

yeah so hopefully they add more modern stuff in the future

cause how is the game going to grow?

[blissful perch]

yea I think that statement applies to ALL of ark 2

[wanton pike]

I wouldn’t mind them adding more modern to futuristic stuff in ark 2, but I think they should keep that to the expansion maps and exclude it from the map arat.

[blissful perch]

unless each DLC is adding regions to the existing map

even then, I really don't want to see the tek tier return

jetpacks just ruin the survival feeling for me

[tropic crag]

Primarily*

[blissful perch]

didn't they recently say something about no modern guns either?

[wanton pike]

I don’t mind them upgrading and expanding the map. Just hope they will add another map then, that allows modern stuff, and start doing upgrades and expanding on there.

[blissful perch]

i'd prefer it stay on ASA personally

[wanton pike]

Adding the modern stuff will probably be something for the far future then anyways

[blissful perch]

yea probably end of ark 2's life even in the "worst case"

[wanton pike]

You’d be bored of Asa by then, especially because it’s actually the original ark, but in a different and nicer looking coat lol

[blissful perch]

I won't really be playing much ASA in all liklihood, especially if they keep breeding based progression

but a lot of folks who are very into modern weapons and tek? I think ASA will be a great place for them

[wanton pike]

Yeah true, I’m more in to the primitive style of play

[tropic crag]

Not to my knowledge, but perhaps idk

[untold ingot]

They do keep saying that the game isn't for everyone, so my take is that the people who want tek tier to come back will be in the group the game isn't designed for.

Wc is making the game they want to make, which is always better than making the game they think the community wants

[median creek]

O I think that I found myself a cheerleadeerrrr

[true fox]

It’s way way way too early to be saying with any reliability what ark2 will or won’t be

Remember nobody was rolling around in tek gear when ark1 launched either

And ark being a simulation has always been the story line. And it continues to be the story in ark2

[untold ingot]

I mean, we can say what they have said with reliability. Especially the parts that they keep emphasising

[untold ingot]

Lol, what. Only gen1 was a simulation

[true fox]

Yup. Haven’t even launched 1.5 yet though…. 🙂

Have you beaten tek cave yet on Island?

[untold ingot]

.... Yes, on foot

I have also read all the notes. Only gen1 was a simulation

[serene onyx]

Only gen 1 was a simulation

[stray elm]

Only Gen1 was a simulation

[true fox]

Perhaps I should say artificially created environment. Not a literal simulation

[untold ingot]

I mean, except for ext you would be right, but artificial and simulation are not synonymous

[gilded night]

Ark 2 is the biggest scam of the Century.

[winged dome]

Seeing as its not even purchasable yet ... Yeah, if you paid for it already then you got scammed 😂

[lime forge]

It does kinda feel like WC is just fucking with us at this point

I’m just waiting for Dollie to come in here like “You guys believed Ark 2 was a thing? We got you good you fuckers!”

[shrewd cairn]

Why is that

At this point jll give up dude
They sre not gonna release the game anytime soon

Also i noticed Ark 2 doesn't have a workshop which is bad news

[untold totem]

most games announced then got cancelled regardless

it ain't scam if you didnt pay

[hoary spindle]

When is scheduled release 🙂

[harsh spear]

end of 2024

[lime forge]

2022,2023, 2024.

[hoary spindle]

2025?

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t be surprised at this point.

[true fox]

Given it is still under development, it technically does not exist yet

[winged dome]

Why is that bad news? Theres already confirmed cross platform modding support, just not through the Steam Workshop

[shrewd cairn]

Steam modding is easier usually
But lets not worry about that
Lets worry about the fact that ark 2 is not coming anytime soon as it seems like

[worldly garden]

Can it actually have a workshop when it isn't released yet?

[winged dome]

Pretty sure no

Steam Workshop is a barebones mod support platform rife with issues

[shrewd cairn]

I mean if it had workshop it would show on steam store page so

[worldly garden]

My point is, does the workshop tabs show if the game is not yet released?

[shrewd cairn]

Yes

Also they said that they wanted to change the modding system from steam workshop to nexus or a exclusive modding website

[winged dome]

So again ... why is no Workshop an issue?

[worldly garden]

Don't recall them mentioning Nexus. All they've said is they will be using Mod io. But there's doubt on that now anyway.

[ripe cedar]

From what i have seen, it isnt

I mean why would they use mod.io and overwolf

[winged dome]

I don't think Xbox has Steam support/integration

So there is need for an all-platform mod distribution system

[ripe cedar]

Thats not i dont think territory thats just a straight up no it doesnt

[winged dome]

I know nothing about controller platforms 😂

[ripe cedar]

Microsoft would never allow mods like steam workshop because steam workshop mods are always free

Also are the console veraions of ase even compatible enough with the pc version, idk

[calm sleet]

Viva españa q ayer gano una nation leage

[true fox]

Not sure what that has to do with ark2 but ok

[high ibex]

Can we all agree to not buy ASA or ark 2

[true fox]

No

Gonna buy both probably

[worldly garden]

Nope, gonna buy it instantly. Life's too short for crying over video game stuff.

[stray elm]

Nope

I can agree on not getting ARK-2, but I will be getting ASA if it's good

[true fox]

I'm just kind of surprised you think going onto a channel about ark2 and telling people not to get ark2 would work

[chrome lodge]

Do you now if they improve the procedural map creator in ASA ?

[ripe cedar]

they are removing it

because it would be way too much effort and still have worse results than hand crafted maps most likely if they did try to improve it

[high ibex]

I just don’t think it’s a good idea to support ark devs with arks current state

Game is buggy

Worst pvp meta we’ve seen (net rifle)

Producer abusing servers and studio wildcard

I believe it’s not the best idea to buy ASA or ark 2 especially because they are forcing people to buy ASA to even play ark 1

[split dove]

for sure man, ''everybody is being forced to buy it''

This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch. Despite ASE Officials representing the minority of players on ARK.
ASE will still be available to play for those who choose to; that includes multiplayer through unofficial/player-hosted sessions, the endless amount of mods on the Steam workshop, and all the game content as you currently know it. All of that is going to remain.

[tropic crag]

Which is funny, because mod tools are going to become practically the same things

[true fox]

If we don't support studio wildcard, don't they go out of business?

[worldly garden]

I support Wildcard to the moon and back. Yeah they've made mistakes, bad decisions and stuff, but I've had 8 fantastic years of ARK, and I hope more to come. Their publisher is an unfortunate situation, but that doesn't stop me supporting ARKs true developers, WC.

[tropic crag]

A little bit lmao, fella doesn't seem to know the difference between publisher and developer

[true fox]

Then there are zero dinosaur games

[split dove]

i wouldn't really say zero, maybe zero dinosaur games like Ark to put it better

[tropic crag]

Zero good dinosaur games that aren't for children, to be sure

[true fox]

I was thinking arklike, yes.

[tropic forge]

no one is forcing you to buy ASA in matter of fact no one force you to buy ASE in the first place, its all a matter of choice, so make your choice to buy ASA or ark 2 or not, either way makes little difference cause its the very choice that everyone as to make when comes to buy a game

[gilded night]

It's Just Ark 1 With Better Graphics

[stray elm]

It literally isn't if you've actually done research on it, but keep on saying that.

[gilded night]

I've Watched 1 YouTube Video About Asa

[fallow niche]

Everything is explained in these-

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

[stray elm]

Ah yes, a YouTube video that's going to capitalize on the current hate-trend on it, instead of giving actual information.

ASA is fundamentally different from ASE.

ass?

[gilded night]

Ye

[stray elm]

Don't worry, the people mad about ASA and also think it's 'Ass'

[gilded night]

Yeah I Mean I Hope It's Not Ass

[stray elm]

I doubt it will.

At least they're actually adding shit to it, instead of a 60$ repay for a next-gen version of literally the same game that Rockstar pulled.

[gilded night]

Bruh The Server I Always Join Has 40 People Its Never Had That Much

[verbal wind]

it's Ark 1 with better graphics, QoL upgrades, better AI for dinos, a reworked building snap system, and some new wild dino changes

plus crossplay across every system that can run it and mods for everyone

[stray elm]

And modding support for every platform

[stray elm]

Oh wait, you've already said that

[south lance]

betting that mods will carry asa from the first year onwards

[desert swallow]

mods carry most long term games.

[south lance]

ye but i dont have faith in the base game being fun enough beyond the first 6 months

not enough mechanics are known to be completely overhauled yet

[inland juniper]

I do have faith

If it’s anything like the first game, I’ll have fun for years to come, especially with new maps, and mechanics, and new items and stuff, it’s gonna be fun

[sinful dagger]

What if they made some Dinos and other animals a bit more realistic?

Or changed some dinos like Parasaur to become more stronger and replaced the Parasaur's original niche and gave it to a new dino