ark-2

[tropic forge]

plus another unique creature

center would be perfect map for a water wyvern and the perfect place for it would be on the flooting island right below itor even around the walls since its a circule of waterfall

[winged dome]

Nah, we don't need yet another wyvern variant. New water creature could be interesting since the Center has the megadeep ocean

[blissful perch]

I stg if I see another wyvern variant

[thick tulip]

i would love to see some of the late-release creatures revamped into older maps

sino belongs on Center lol

[tropic forge]

kinda true, its very deep but lack something like they need it to had something to do whit that water creature than

[harsh spear]

thats also pure speculation lol. what makes you think ark 2 doesnt match player expectations when we havent seen anything yet besides concept art ?

[desert swallow]

I started it off by saying it was pure speculation

[harsh spear]

oh ok i thought u are refering to the message before you

[desert swallow]

Have they said anything about the center?

[untold ingot]

Not yet

[gusty ermine]

I don’t think so, but I my guess is Asa will be delayed.

[desert swallow]

ok, that would suck if they did drop it

I just assume any date WC gives will not be hit these days

I'd rather them do a good job then rush it out, just sucks they said they were going to shut down official servers probably before they are ready

[gusty ermine]

True but on the other hand they will shutdown official servers so idk

[gusty ermine]

Have you seen the videos of “Greg Coulthard” you can search it up on YouTube. He by him self did some ark on unreal engine5 and to be honest it looks great

[desert swallow]

I have seen it. I'm hoping they modernize the island and scorched earth maps too. They are a little dated

[south lance]

real life creature again so rest assured no wyv

[harsh spear]

i hope they do some rebalance for creatures , f.e. its stupid that you can get wyverns as your first tame on crystal island but on scorched earth its the hardest thing to get

though thats probably the only broken tame..

[south lance]

idk ark has enough time sinks

cwyv is just an accelerant on a game whos early stage badly needs accelerants

[harsh spear]

it doesnt need accelerants at all. if you just powercreep pteranodons and other flying creatures with wyvern it makes part of the game feel useless.

gen 2 is imo a good example how accelerants break the game. there is 0 difficulty in the "survival" part of the game

btw i feel like a perma death mode would be kinda interesting to bring back survival vibes

[untold ingot]

Um, I think ark has too many accelerants in the early stage

[tribal chasm]

My friend is doing this right now, too many ways to die randomly for Hardcore to ever work properly. Server randomly lagging, dinos appearing from mesh, game deciding you are dead after completeing a boss. Let alone if it was PvP as well

Yeah I am hoping with ASA they can start the game off slow again, with the power creep/accelerants coming back in with each xpac instead.
Although I have a feeling it won't, probably will be level 105 first hour, all bosses done, massive bases and thousands of dinos day 1 again. 🥱

[untold ingot]

On official it will 100% be that way

[harsh spear]

yea i guess youre right, in gen 2 there is also some spots where you die instantly without a reason cuz the game thinks you are meshing

[untold ingot]

To have a really good hardcore mode, ark would need to have a really good single player, which unfortunately it does not

[blissful perch]

To have any hardcore, you need the game to work as intended ☠️

[harsh spear]

i think they should either enable a global bed cooldown or remove the bed-timer entirely since you can just circumvent it via bed stacking

ark is the only game where death often is progress ( meat farm, getting to spots quicker, getting health back ) kinda stupid imo.

[verbal wind]

not the only game

in Halo co-op you can get full up on ammo and hp by killing each other a few times

[harsh spear]

ok but u get the point

[verbal wind]

i get the idea for pvp, but it would really hamper pve or sp

having to sit and wait to respawn for even 30 seconds would be agonizing

[harsh spear]

the timer system for pvp feels stupid in general. the more you die, the longer the timer takes. and you can sometimes avoid it by killing yourself. and if you wanna defend your base solo its just not a fair system

cuz others can die more often than you can

[true fox]

I think that is why they are slower drops than the DLC maps.

Speaking is early game skips, I found a path to 64 using notes I can do in <30 minutes on an empty map. Then I grab a low Ptera quick. I’m then perfecting a run to 74 (Rex saddle) which takes a longer because the ROI on note levels drops significantly after mid 60s

Should be able to have a max/near max level rex under me by the end of the first release day. (Not in game day)

If they nerf note runs or move the notes it will make it quite a. It harder

[desert swallow]

If you want to slow it down, don't do a note run and just play it casual. Most every game has a speed run.

[true fox]

105 on day 1 would be tough if not impossible

note runs and alpha kills can only take you so far so fast.

assuming the xp chart remains unchanged

Gamma bosses will probably be downed quickly by just a horde of players on 1 dino each with shotguns

[tribal chasm]

It's not impossible, people do it regularly on Arkpoc/Small Tribes/Unofficials/Conquest etc. Usually level 100+ easily. Ie Titanosaur kills, crafting certain items.
Ark 1.5 and 2 would be nice to feel the progression rather than jumping straight to endgame -- yes I know I can limit myself or play my own server, but ...

[fallow niche]

Discord is having issues, disregard people that look like they're spamming the same message over and over please 💛 https://discordstatus.com/

[true fox]

I was kind of surprised by that happening. Thanks Rizzo

[south lance]

i consider everything between thatch up to getting capped gear and tames early game

if you exclude the last part then sure eaely game is absurdly fast, and my main issue is "mid" game

[untold totem]

There is no "mid game"

Only Bob game and End Game

[blissful perch]

Most players do seem to identify what used to be the entire ark progress system as “early game”

It’s a failure in design to have the mid game simply not exist and the late/end game be a tiny portion of the engrams/levels available to players…and the bulk of it is RNG drops and mutations that can be stolen and lost

[desert swallow]

I've always felt this is because once you get into the air you are pretty much untouchable (pve). Progression happens very fast after that.

If they put some actual danger in the air, this would be a different story.

It's also one of the reasons a lot of people have a hard time with aberration when new to the game.

[ripe cedar]

Yeah but idk how you would do that, you would want the danger to be exclusive to air to not nerf land based transport as well but then im sure you could just fly a bit closer to the ground but still easily out of reach of ground dinos

[desert swallow]

People get nervous flying through the red woods right?

could add pteranadons that knock you off your mount if you aren't careful

[ripe cedar]

Getting knocked off your mount is way different to being pinned by a thyla

[desert swallow]

it's a danger in the air

[ripe cedar]

Kinda i guess

[desert swallow]

Or, make flying late game and costly to achieve

that could create a mid game

[ripe cedar]

Well how?

[desert swallow]

not sure, cost of saddle I guess. Lore wise you could say the saddle needs to be light enough that they could still fly

introduce some kind of resource for it, I'm not going to be able to solve the problem obviously.

[blissful perch]

Require a level 100 saddle -> no early hand flying

Especially if you mandate someone has to be at the level of the saddle to ride the given creature

(In ASE terms it means you can’t ride a PT below level 38)

[ripe cedar]

38

[blissful perch]

Add a flier that works like a leed does - it targets airborne players and forces them toward the ground. Or a weather event that’s near constant in certain biomes that grounds fliers/ variably occurs but again only targets airborne players

If you want a mid game though what you really need is actual leveling (IE you can’t blow through 60-80 levels in an hour with no corresponding progression) and a need to make use of the previous level’s tools and resources

[ripe cedar]

Maybe wind currents that make flying in certain directions inconsistent/ near impossible at times so fliers can be faster but are not consistent

I dont see how else to really limit them in terms of travel besides that because a leeds like predator would be too rare just like actual leeds, not that that is a bad thing for leeds or like i said just means flying a bit closer to the ground to avoid it which you cant do as easily with rafts because they operate 2 dimensionally

I guess it would just exist to punish new players who wouldnt know how to avoid it yet

[untold ingot]

How about both, as well as adding collision to fliers.

If you run your pt into a tree it should hurt the pt

[ripe cedar]

Thats not a bad idea actually but knowing ark the server will lag and suddenly all of your flyers just instantly die

[untold ingot]

I mean, yeaaah, let's do that

[ripe cedar]

Ok im not saying killing all flyers wouldn’t improve balance but do we really want to add another way to get ‘arked’

[untold ingot]

I mean, it wouldn't totally prohibit using fliers, but it would severely nerf them. And make them less of a major part of the meta

[true fox]

Imho it is experience with the speed tricks and game mechanics that shortens the mid game. They could fix that but I don’t think they intend to make any big changes for ASA.

[blissful perch]

There IS no mid game. For ASA the only way to fix it (because I suspect they’re correctly not gonna overhaul until ark 2) is to remove note exp buffs

[true fox]

Maps with wild wyverns have that. I always thought with a certain level of damage to a Dino they should eject you. If a tame ptera is zipping around and attacked by some argies he should chuck you at 50%

[untold ingot]

They do intend to do big changes.

[true fox]

Yeah. Scale notes. Have them be like 20% of your current level. Or just give you ten minutes double XP

[blissful perch]

The raw exp gain? Scaling them means they’re insanely good for late game player so idk about that

[true fox]

I’ve got a L65 note run down to like 20 if I don’t waste any on speed

[true fox]

Scale then flatten at 50-70 someplace

[blissful perch]

The double exp gain should be 0. If it MUST exist as a mechanic, maybe have a brief 5 minute double exp when you collect all of say Helena’s island notes

The game was balanced around 1x official exp gains (which are now 2x across the board)…so notes just shatter that

[true fox]

Double Xp isn’t bad if you take away the flat XP gift from the notes

Then you would get a note, then go do something to earn xp like fight. Then Back to next note

[blissful perch]

For current note runs perhaps. If you nerf the flat exp I assume people will instantly pivot to farming off the double exp

[true fox]

Yeah but farming in this context IS playing

[blissful perch]

It’s a better outcome I agree. But it’s not good enough imo

[true fox]

Literally 😉

I’m just thinking of what they could implement fast without a ton of time investment. Things that require a lot of Dev time are just unlikely for ASA.

[blissful perch]

I always prefer playing the game (see my mutation comments), but I still am of the belief that keeping the 2x exp gain for all notes (or 4x) means people still slingshot way ahead of the leveling system

It’s pretty dev easy to implement what I said

[true fox]

ASA is at its heart a relatively low effort way to fund ark2 development

I don’t think 5 minutes of 2X does that much slingshot wise but agree to disagree:)

[blissful perch]

5 minutes times the number of notes? Kinda feels like a lot ngl

[untold ingot]

I mean the stuff they have shown so far doesn't look low effort lol

[untold ingot]

You can reach lvl 105 on 1x in less than an hour using notes. Yes it makes a big difference

[winged dome]

Cool, do that 382 times and you'll hit max

Not counting the times to get Ascensions, all the Runes and Notes, leveling a Chibi, ect

Er wait, wiki graph only goes to 180

Pretty sure we can go higher with SE Ascension now

[tribal chasm]

205 is the max level now yeah

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Leveling

[winged dome]

Ah, thank you
*913 times more 🙃

[blissful perch]

Keep in mind at 105 you’ve already obtained almost every engram unlock in the game

You can consider all levels after 105 to be similar to prestige levels

[tribal chasm]

I don't know if when they originally made Ark, they intentionally made the game balanced like that, or if it was a happy little sandbox accident

[blissful perch]

Note exp gains came after the engrams were made if that gives you a sense of what came first

[tropic forge]

not really, you need more to use tek bow and another thing i cant remember now

[split dove]

no

[untold ingot]

Past 105 only tek grams matter really. Unless you wabtnastrodelphis. Doesn't change the fact that it is endgame. Levels past that are only to extend endgame on official

[blissful perch]

pretige levels often unlock endgame gear

the entirety of the basic content is available by level 105, and level 105 is criminally easy to reach without needing to use the vast majority of the engrams and resources you can make use of along the way

[untold ingot]

The issue imo is that endgame resources are available in raw form and easily obtainable. It should be harder and it should be combinations of stuff to make them

[blissful perch]

It doesn't help that end game resources are basically all forms of the same singular resource (element)

I suppose there's also black pearls...but it's also a raw resource

[untold ingot]

Poly too

[blissful perch]

poly is a fabi resource

[ripe cedar]

Organic poly isnt though

[untold ingot]

Used in every endgame bit of gear

[blissful perch]

metal is used in most of them too - i disregard for the same reason

there's really only two explicitly endgame resources...and they are gathered the same way you gather everything else in the game

[untold ingot]

I don't see the logic of saying black pearls are endgame and disregarding polymer or crystal lol

[blissful perch]

there is no "tier 2 harvester" requirement

are black pearls a standard requirement for fabi crafting?

[untold ingot]

But that's besides the point anyway

Point is, it's too easy

Making it harder to get said resources wouldnt fix the issue either

[ripe cedar]

But how would that actually change anything

If you need a tier 2 harvesting thing

[blissful perch]

definitionally? Yes. Element and black pearls are the "end game" core resources. Similar to how electronics and poly are core resources needed in fabi crafts

If you need a tier 2 harvesting tool or tame to access tier 3 resources, it would at the very least create a system of early/mid/late game resources that's a bit more stratified

[ripe cedar]

Poly is a fabi tier and tek tier crafting resource not just one

[blissful perch]

sigh

[ripe cedar]

It is used in basically every recipe as opposed to black pearls

[blissful perch]

most games use lower tier resources in higher tier crafts

see metal as an easier example

[ripe cedar]

Ok then why do you need black pearls for camera

[tribal chasm]

If we look at Black Pearls from when Tek was just coming out, it was pretty well designed honestly. A filter, tier 2 requirement being that ... you had to either go deep underwater (scuba) or take on Deathworms, which was essentially a miniboss as well. Lots of dead sea scorpions and/or deathworms just to afford 1 Tek item.
Where as nowadays you have so many ways to easily obtain them, a long with increased rates (20 deathworms for 1 tek replicator, vs 1 or 2 today)

[tropic forge]

if you take out the mod maps that become officials only gen dlc that made black pearls easy to get, before that you only get them by killing tusos or on ab map on the bottom near the drakes nest

[desert swallow]

killing trilobites for hours on end.

also easier on ab

[untold ingot]

I mean, the ab red zone isn't too had to get them in either its really just scorched, center and island that it was a challenge

[true fox]

They way they wrote the announcement makes it sound like the non canon dlc maps and island will come out at the same time? Hard to understand

[tropic forge]

i understood that mod maps actually will come after all canon dlc's but whit the new creature for rag that made me thinking thats no the case

[untold ingot]

Um, they didn't say anything about when the noncanon come out

I assume they will be iterative tbf

I bet rag first, then Val, then the rest. Its hard to say

[true fox]

Let me get the crunch article I’m referring to

So 356 said island and scorched at launch

I could have sworn they swapped that around but I don’t know

[untold ingot]

It's always been scorched and island at launch

[true fox]

All the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

Not at launch but at some point in the following year

After they pivoted from the asa plus ark2 plan

[true fox]

356 has the schedule, unless there has been a newer update that I can’t find

[untold ingot]

Where did they get the schedule...

[true fox]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

Looks like they sets giving themselves a few months per map

[slender garden]

Someone tell me if I'm wrong here, but Ark 2 and Wildcard should seriously consider updating the baby growth timeline. Instead of most creatures hatching or popping out as a miniature version of their adult form, having distinct models for baby, juvenile and adolescent forms. It is a huge task and would take a lot of time, but for the majority of creatures including trike, stego and many more, I believe distinct models would take the game to the next level. Wildcard could maybe take inspiration from the Prehistoric park series or even the trailer, where the baby trike can be seen at 1:35, and in the official season 2 trailer where what looks like a juvenile iguanadon can be seen at 0:02 and a baby sauropod at 0:40. Also the baby pachycephalosaurs at 0:49. The baby rex can also be seen in alternate videos. I would love to see this change in Ark 2 as i think it's a little late for Ark Ascended but I'd love to know what other people think

@drowsy ibex @unkempt wing @fickle flame

if you could @ me if you have something to add to this idea so I can see it that would be awesome

[thorny totem]

Is there any hope that wildcard can get rid of snail games? Or are they just trapped forever?

[desert swallow]

Tell them to go stand by the stairs?

[desert swallow]

They kind of already do this with creatures like Reapers, so doable, it just depends on how behind schedule they are.

[true fox]

Snail games?

[ripe cedar]

Baby dinos actually do use different models, they just arent too different to the adult versions

Its more noticeable on some than others

[true fox]

Given the lack of info I don’t have my hopes up schedule wise

We were doing ASA conspiracy theories in game chat. Fun one was “what if there is no shutdown, they’re just releasing asa and keeping the servers but they wanted to trick the ebay crowd into quitting

[blissful perch]

@ ing the devs is just lmao energy

[true fox]

Yeah I can’t they would look at that. They’d get it constantly

[harsh spear]

i agree that pteranodon saddle engram should be at like lvl 80+

[slender garden]

yeah there are some creatures like even the beezlebufo i guess? but i dont know the whole baby growth timeline has always seemed odd to me

[slender garden]

yeah but for the most part, they look almost identical to what a scaled down version of the adult is, and dont show growth like the trike, which would be born without horns and would grow them as it reaches maturity

the trike is the most obvious example for me

same with the stego

[untold ingot]

I mean, of all things they could work on, making new models for every baby Dino is probably not high on the list

[slender garden]

thats a good point, however, i believe that the big things bring players to the game, but it's the little things that make them stay

[untold ingot]

This is true. But again, for little things to keep people staying, baby dino models arent the highest on the list lol

[tropic crag]

Maybe in singleplayer, definitely not in a server

[tropic crag]

I have all of them, and still can't get several engrams, so it's still not possible to get every engram technically either way

Not to mention the fact that they cost like... 750 million hexagons or some shit to get every last purchase of them, since they patched the 5 in 1 glitch way back when

[blissful perch]

Unlocked here means you have access to them via mindwipe

[tropic crag]

Well, that's a bit of a silly criteria honestly then 😂

That's still not every engram in the game, though. Once you hit the appropriate level and have enough points to spare, of course you'll have the ability to get the engram

But the ability to and having them unlocked then and there are not the same whatsoever

That's one of the reasons I hate servers with auto engrams, point management is part of the game as intended and if you take that away you lessen the experience, imo

It can get monotonous when you're at the end though, but don't feel like rebuying what you need after a mindwipe or whatever, so I understand why people use it

Maybe if you could save a build for your stat points to go into before you mindwipe, it would be more manageable?

[jagged delta]

do we know when ASA will come out?

[orchid holly]

End of 2023

I think

[jagged delta]

ok! ty

[true fox]

The last announcement says august whenever ark1 sunsets

[tropic crag]

Meh, everyone in official PvP, sure, but nowhere NEAR "everyone"

Not to mention, you have to put points back in every time you mindwipe to craft a BP (if you do that)

[tribal chasm]

A shame they have to be linked in the first place, I wonder if they are able to reset levels without resetting the engrams

[tropic crag]

And vice versa, perhaps... which will most likely be a mod at some point I imagine if no one makes it before I figure it out with ASA lol

Should be simple enough with UE5 and a cleaned up codebase I'd hope

Anywho, gn all

[winged dome]

Incorrect.
Latest date is end of August 2023

[blissful perch]

Not sure how it’s silly when talking about progression tiers. Everything at level 60 or level 80 is available for players to choose from - thus it’s all at the same tier. If you can hit level 105 you have conceptual access to everything at or below that level

[stuck vine]

Does anyone think that ark dlcs will become free after disabling official servers and moving to ark 2?

[blissful perch]

Point management was intended to force people to work in groups and use “primitive” BPs. In practice, it was annoying and ineffective, which is why engrams points are readily available in the hex shop and why mindwipes give you another shot at engrams

[worldly garden]

August 31st, but expect it early September.

[true fox]

not until later in the game. early mid, it is..

[true fox]

2 characters, 2 accounts, 2 computers. 🙂

[true fox]

With the caveat we're talking about WC here.. 🙂

I expect we'll not get a more accurate date until well after august 1

[winged dome]

Thats why I said 'latest', not final 😂

[true fox]

I was kind of surprised to see there are only 2 useful engrams from scorched that I want. (preserving salt and chainsaw)

[winged dome]

Fire arrows used to be amazing, still decent but not as great after the nerf a long time ago

[blissful perch]

The salt vase goes hard tho - I love the design and the sound of opening it to this day

[true fox]

Honestly I just odn't make salt until I intend to use it, so....

assuming xfers even are enabled and work right after release I'll still probably hold off until post chainsaw to xfer over and grab those engrams

Scorched can be neat, but starting there isn't that fun.

[desert swallow]

preserving salt is a great resource to have, even doubles spoil time in your own inventory.

Really useful on official for things like prime meat and mutton

[trail zenith]

Dark souls combat is gonna be SOOOOO much better than what we have, I'm gonna solo a giga

[desert swallow]

You Died

[harsh spear]

wouldnt be suprised if they said in august that its gonna be released in december

[desert swallow]

I would be surprised if they announced that before august

[true fox]

Given their operating speed i was somewhat impressed they claimed such a quick date in August

Of course that was April 7, so..

[timber talon]

cant wait

[true fox]

It is 80s arcade game “boss combat”. Learn the magic button order technique to win. Practice. Apply

[blissful perch]

Learning an enemies tells is about as interesting as PvE combat can get.

It’s usually the situation in addition to the enemies present that makes it interesting

Compared to ark 1 combat or in general is what i always ask. Because ark 1’s combat is basically spamming LMB brainlessly

Right, because the combat is determined solely by stats

There’s no diversity in outcome based on mechanical inputs

Engagement decision making imo is not really what I’m describing when I say ark 1’s combat is one dimensional

And it’s not really that strong of a design either - when you commit, it’s often extremely hard to disengage…so the bulk of the interesting gameplay revolves around one dimension (when to engage) of possible consideration

If the souls combat works (if)…you could have both engagement and disengagement as viable considerations and tactics, on top of a mechanical layer that exists for players while in combat

Hard in other games is still possible. In ark you usually just die with your ass facing the aggressor

(If you can even turn around)

If it’s not a real choice, the mechanic isn’t there

No basically competent ark player bothers to consider disengagement (on most creatures anyway)

In OW there’s tons of ways to disengage

Entire sets of hero abilities revolve around breaking up the other team and creating breathing room

I would hope you’re considering that my statement was a purposeful oversimplification

[blissful perch]

This one anyway

The point was that there’s almost never a reason to disengage in ark because your only reward is looking like an idiot. It’s a non option

If you’re on the aggressive giga, just move forward and bite lol, it’s not hard

No different then the bite exchanging that took place prior

If you’re ahead and the opponent is “disengaging” by slowly moving backward, you just slide right on in and cinch the win

That’s right. Otherwise, you die trying to disengage

I generally have them just fine, so I’m not sure what the issue is

I’m reading a scenario and providing a counterargument that indicates a crippling lack of complexity in engagement dynamics and combat mechanics

Is that not the case?

The linear distance is less important than the functional separation between aggressors

No…I’m complaining there’s one dimension of consideration

There’s tons of ways to select when to engage. But disengaging is often a false choice

You’ll just get caught by whatever is attacking you most of the time

Leaving at that stage is something I see as an important part of the engagement calculus…whereas disengaging to me is predicated on already being in combat

[trail zenith]

It's better than the shit we have

[blissful perch]

No?

Its like having two rex attacking each other, and the outcome is almost always that one of them dies. There is almost never an “escape” outcome

[trail zenith]

You have the worst takes

[blissful perch]

I’m certainly convinced you’re struggling with a hypothetical

If your turrets are in a rat hole and can’t be retreated to for example

So a scenario in which two rex exist without a turret wall to back into simply doesn’t exist to you

Well I guess I’m wrong on that. I’ll have to find another way to describe how grimy and unappealing the lack of disengagement tools in ark 1 feels beyond outcomes. Perhaps the fact that there’s no real dodging, LOS blocking, etc? Eh who can say

[nova sonnet]

all of your arguments will be proven invalid by the sentient 150 Reaper Queen that learnt how to get under the mesh

[untold ingot]

I mean, right now fights last mostly on who gets the drop with a flamethrower lol

[worldly badger]

What kinda turrets u got cuz the turret wall on my old base would tear up that rex

[untold ingot]

Is your base a crouch spot? If not the rex tears up your base

Shifter doesnt play pvp, I think he is more concerned with the pve side of combat

Right. I kind of quit before gen2 really took off

[tropic crag]

Objectively false, citation; Elden Ring being game of the year last year or whenever and selling as well as it did

[mint swan]

Uh oh, bruising’s typing. Everyone prepare for him to disagree with you just because he’s always right

[tropic crag]

Great attempt at a strawman, but we both know there is more to a game than just one feature

[candid whale]

yo will ASA just be the same but without the errors that ASE has?

[tropic crag]

Objectively false, but you're able to hold that opinion if you like

[mint swan]

No matter what, bruising will insist he’s right

[untold ingot]

Classic brusing statement. Disagree with something and give no reason for it

[mint swan]

Gotta love it

What’s even funnier is that he blocked me but still responds to me LOL

[tropic crag]

Gotta have the fan club clowning around, wish people could find something better to do with their time than harass someone on the internet like children, but it is what it is 🤷‍♂️

There is combos, you may not use them, but they are there. I'm out though as I don't see any way to resolve the issue at hand here

[short fulcrum]

Still alot more complex and interesting than arks current combat

[mint swan]

Harass someone? What do you call what you were doing April 1st?

[untold ingot]

?Just April 1st

[mint swan]

True!

He’s consistently hypocritical, but instead of using his critical thinking skills, he just reacts with clown emojis. Oh well, we’re the children though

[dapper niche]

So as a very new player that has gotten his fair time of play in , altho most of my views are going to be broad and surfaced, I feel like that is if not the primary issue that ark should solve , and I am going to be as objective as possible.

[tropic forge]

dude do like me, block any fanatic troll and move on

[dapper niche]

Starting on ARK my first map was Freljord , I read over the attributes for player and there are some I believe hold no reason, for example ;

Stats:
Oxygen stat : Allows you to swim faster in water and breathe for longer underwater.. This isn't necessary , unless there was a water map the 2 given traits for investing in this perk could easily be split amongst stamina and movement speed, after all. Swimming is movement. Food & Water are the next 2 traits I want to quickly take a jab at , which yes it is a survival game however this was very badly done the water and food drain is very fast with no way of slowing it down, if the trait was here to compensate for that it should somewhat lessen the drain on top of adding +10 points to the stat , If only to give a reason for early game investment in said points without it being a complete waste when Health, Weight, Stam and Speed take such a large role of importance in the game.

Furthermore,
there are other surface issues that overall affect the ability of the player to enjoy or immerse themselves into the game such as;

Non-Dino Combat
The Aiming on the weapons is very inaccurate, specially with a dart gun I have spent a lot of darts where it hit the dino, but it did not count this wouldn't be so crucial to the game as it is if the meele combat and even harvesting animations weren't so sluggish and unsatisfying , I am happy to hear they are going to try a souls like combat system because lets be honest.. ark doesn't have a combat system , when Minecraft has a more in-depth combat then ark, is when you realize.. yeah maybe any kind of combat system added onto ark would be a great addition.

Weight
It must be really hard for the developers to properly stabilize a weight stat in a game or even to decide how crucial a companion will be , I can understand that their deals was to make it as mandatory as possible to tame a dinosaur, however this leads to a ridiculous amount of walking back and forth early.
P1

[tropic forge]

its the ones that you barelly or never touch 🤣 although i always put points on food and water but again im a pve guy

[untold ingot]

This is great approach imo

[untold ingot]

As far as the nondino combat, the weapons are actually very very accurate. Too accurate imo. The issue is hit reg, not accuracy.

[south lance]

isnt only shotgun actually random

[untold ingot]

They are hitscan and there is no bullet drop. Bows I am okay with though

[south lance]

and ig AR but i dont think anyone uses that

[dapper niche]

P2
Weight-Building
Although I am going to be continuing about weight for a little, I am also going to involve building in this topic because I believe they come hand in hand.. building a base with the already non-responsive building system provided by ark proves to be a task by itself, however carrying the pieces with you and running back and forth ends up wasting a lot of time, If the weight of building pieces we're to be reduced noticeably it wouldn't impact the game in a negative way, and it would also make base construction a much more smooth experience.

[south lance]

and with shotgun its not that random either

[dapper niche]

I lost my train of thought, I was going to add something else..

[blissful perch]

In fairness, food and water ARE silly stats

Hit reg is also horrendous

[untold ingot]

I would be fine relaplacing food and water with a 3 tier skill that just makes it better.

[blissful perch]

“Survivability”

[untold ingot]

Yeah something like that. Or throwing it in with fortitude. Food and water in ark is very temperature dependant anyway

[blissful perch]

It’s basically the poor man’s environmental hazard lol

[south lance]

it should not deplete so fast

[untold ingot]

I think it should deplete 3 times an ark day. Or roughly every 20 minutes

[blissful perch]

It’s what WC had to make cold and hot biomes harder lol. Hp loss and food/water drain

[south lance]

its entirely qol

[untold ingot]

It offends the sensabilites of pve players.

[dapper niche]

I'm glad you guys agree with my statements ^^
My goal here was not to attack the game, but to enforce what I hope will change with Ark2

It's not about difficulty, its not difficult to keep food on you and keep drinking water, but the drain is unrealistic

and that in my opinion can be quite immersion breaking

[south lance]

true thats the one area food actually does something cool

[untold ingot]

Bruh, most people here just relentlessly attack the game. The fact that you gave reasons and such for what changes you want already puts you a step ahead lol

This is true. Healing should not be related to food imo. For people or dinos

[blissful perch]

You should also have rapid hp drain when lacking food or water. I’m talking no oxygen fast

[dapper niche]

The flaws I see in the food and water stat, is that they are currently useless, I am somewhat of a believer that every trait should leave you nail bitting "Alright.. so which one should I pick next".

[south lance]

nobody has 1000 food stat

but the heal is great

med brews for the cold

[blissful perch]

Med brews should also have a CD lol

Capped armor also has stupid temperature resist. Praying that’s gone in ark 2

[south lance]

i think its fine i hate debuffs

[blissful perch]

My biggest gripe with weight is that it completely cripples some tames. Namely raptors and terror birds

[dapper niche]

How much of your base will you probably have built before you have an exomek

sure..?

[untold ingot]

There are loads of ways to handle heavy weight loads. Probably the easiest is just do beta rockwell and get tek suit

[dapper niche]

None of the changes I hope to be in Ark 2 are critical, if you've noticed they are all basically quality of life changes

that old players will be fine or used to

but will highly affect the experience of a new player

[blissful perch]

It’s time to change the mold

ASA is for people who want ASE again. Ark 2 is for people who want to see something new

[untold ingot]

Ark should be inaccessible to new players. It should be impossible to learn and have 0 qol stuff

[dapper niche]

I'm going to basically buy both

Although.. it was kind of a sucker punch to have bought every single DLC and the season passes about.. 1 month ago

to find out I'm going to have to do that again in 2 months to keep playing it..

[blissful perch]

ASE is gatekept just fine

When you spawn, you need to clear the entire alpha tribe in consecutive 1v1 matches to reach level 2

[dapper niche]

Jesus christ

[untold ingot]

Picking up rocks needs to be a level 5 thing, and should require tools that are inacessible until you get rocks

[blissful perch]

Welcome to Ab if you spawn in the wrong spot lol

[dapper niche]

I've had my fair share of suffering thus far

[blissful perch]

Well. Old Ab anyway

[dapper niche]

first map and I picked freljord, out of all the areas I chose to base in the snow region

I choose pain.

Ye I think ?

[blissful perch]

I feel like he’s horribly misspelling Fjordur

[dapper niche]

it's 1 of their DLC maps

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH ye Fjordur, that .. wow I messed up.

Freljord is league of legends 🤣

[desert swallow]

Probably would have won, but jungle diff

[winged dome]

Oh look, it this

I mean, you're the one bringin' it up all the time ...
T-the April thing, not his meat ... r-right? I mean, whatever you do with your time is your time h-heh

I'm just keepin' the tradition alive 🍻

[tropic forge]

🍿

[untold ingot]

I mean, if people didnt like you because you were right all the time it would be one thing. But this is another lol

[astral token]

What the hell is going on here.

[untold ingot]

People dont like bruising apparently

[astral token]

That's not new, this meat rider is 💀

[untold ingot]

Cant for the life of me figure out why

[shell echo]

Is it fjordur

[stray elm]

Yeah, I wonder why. 🦛

[pearl bramble]

Will ark acended be on Xbox one x game pass

[stray elm]

No, it's for next-gen only

[pearl bramble]

😭dam ok I’m guessing ark too is like that as well

[stray elm]

Yeeeep

[pearl bramble]

Does that mean we r losing official even tho we can’t access the new stuff ;-;

[stray elm]

Yep.
Sucks to suck to be on last-gen.

[astral token]

🦛

[pearl bramble]

True I was told Scorpio addition Xbox X was good and could run new gen games I guess not xD

[stray elm]

That's a hippo moment 🦛

[stray elm]

Nope.
It can run last-gen (or at the time of release, current-gen) games with better performance and graphics, but that's about it.
Basically a soft upgrade Xbox-One

[pearl bramble]

Ahh ok

[stray elm]

Series-X/S though is next-gen.

Which Series-S's are decently prices last time I checked

[stray elm]

Yeah, if you don't mind used ones, a Series-S is around 250$ to 300$ USD.

Or around 500$ USD for a Series-X

[pearl bramble]

That’s expensive oh lord

I might have to save for a long while

[stray elm]

Yeaah.
Might wanna just get a Series-S if you're not interested in getting the full specs that a Series-X has.

Oh, and also Series-S's don't have disk-drives unlike the X.

[pearl bramble]

If I’m upgrading I’m going for best addition

[formal sandal]

we

[pearl bramble]

XD

[formal sandal]

ily

[pearl bramble]

What are disk drivers

[stray elm]

The slot you put disks in for them to play a game, if you have a disk-game

[pearl bramble]

Oh ye then def x bc I got disk

[stray elm]

Just then I can help you, do you have any form of income?

[pearl bramble]

sweats hah no xD I wish I’ll have to do chores for my fiancés family or smth bc I don’t have a car and we r pretty far from places so I can’t walk to a job

And I’m in Texas so economy is bad atm

If u know any easy online jobs I do those I want to play new ark bad xD

[stray elm]

That's just American as a whole.

[pearl bramble]

True

[stray elm]

Could learn software stuff to get jobs online.
Like learning how to do 2D or 3D animations and getting commissioned.

Wait, do you have a PC?

[pearl bramble]

I tryed that but it crashed my pc bc my cpu is old af and so is my gtx it’s 770

The specs r too old for even unity

[astral token]

I have run ARK on

• 8 GB RAM
• HDD
• no GPU

Low 30 fps

[pearl bramble]

What’s HHD

[stray elm]

Hard-Drive-Disk

[pearl bramble]

Ooohh

[astral token]

Hard Disk Drive I think

Not sure

[stray elm]

I mean animations in like Blender

[pearl bramble]

I haven’t tested if it run blender I’ll def try it in the morning

It’s late tho so i gtg but Ty for the advise and lettin me know, I shall have u ark 2 goodnight lol

[untold ingot]

HHD is hybrid hard drive, HDD is normal hard drive

[worldly garden]

People asking what HDD is in the context of PC specs makes me realise how old I am. 🤣

[warped seal]

Do we get tek stuff in ark 2 ?

Or it is just tribal

Stone age stuff only

[tropic crag]

Mostly primitive is practically all we have to go on, aside from no usable tek as per a statement on Twitter iirc

[dapper oak]

Mannn why is there no first person in ark 2!!

My bad if people already asked this. But just a question

[harsh spear]

imo its too easy to disengage in ark. everyone who goes for pvp plays on high mobility stuff like bloodstalker & manas. and with those you can easily escape. the only way where you get to kill anyone is if they are bobs and are just farming and dont have access to tek suit. on gen 2 f.e. you can never kill anyone

[tribal chasm]

yes and even if you fabby someone tek suitting away, the bullets desync/don't register

[harsh spear]

its sad that the most kills you get in ark are from your turrets and not from skill based decisions

in before someone tells me that placing a turret is a skill based decision 🤓

[harsh spear]

i feel like for pvp the entire stat-system could be scrapped. I get what they were trying to do here with being similar to MMOs, but it just doesnt work for the PVE and PVP being activate at any point. It only missleads people into statting the wrong things and being unhappy with it until they realize the meta ( some weight, some hp and a lot of speed ). It would be more interesting if you had something like masterys, on or off. Not this min/maxing every stat and have total imbalance in everything.

[blissful perch]

What would a mastery toggle…do?

I do support the reduction or removal of stat based progression

[tribal chasm]

Maybe for Food/Water they could have done what the custom foods do somewhat, ie increase the amount of food / water you get from the consumed item

The stats worked better in the old game, they haven't aged well since all the new updates/features.
Think -- it's early 2016, you are in the 'swamp', running around in some cloth/hide armor, bows and arrows, and maybe a few spears, killing mobs for resources and xp. Nearly all the stats would have helped back then - even crafting speed to help you craft arrows, bolas, sleeping bags etc on the go.

Lastly using your Oxygen example, in the South Zones on Island there was a few silica pearls / oil nodes underwater which would otherwise be unreachable (without going very far North in the map).

[blissful perch]

This is the gameplay that drew me to ark…and what was fun lol

I’d like to return to that in ark 2 - a gameplay environment where spend more time as the Bob you were always meant to be

[blissful perch]

It would be great to get on a new tame and not think as my first thought “now I need a female and a day to breed before I can use this” but maybe that’s wishful thinking

[calm raven]

not needing to breed for 100s of hours to be able to finish the game proper would be an improvement to everyone’s lives

[tropic forge]

damn the more i read the more of impression i have that some ppl are playing the wrong game, until when someone gonna said the correct move for ark is to remove the creatures??? guns already being ask to be remove permantly, staying bobs forever guess thats up to each person skills its only missing the removal of creatues begging part, cant wait for that day 🤣

[blissful perch]

Thank you for understanding

[blissful perch]

People who played original 2015 ark ARE playing the wrong game if they play it now, and vice versa. It’s two different experiences. Which is why I’m glad wc is making two different games

[tropic forge]

you dont need mutations on dinos if you have a group to do the bosses, i did alpha dragon whit 1st gen deers while others use rexs to kill pteras and dimorphs but the damage to the boss was done whit shotguns

[tropic forge]

tell me when was breeding had?

[true fox]

Pre-incubator, maewing, etc. on real 1x

there was no Ark Smart Breeder

I don't know about 'hard' because I began playing shortly before the release of gen1

[tropic forge]

try to raise a giga whitout crypods and maewing, that should give you a felling how it was like before

[ripe cedar]

Late 2015

[tropic forge]

i try to find when breeding was had but only thing i found was a reddit about it of some ppl complain about the timers vs others being fine since they would get results, and that was made on 23/11/2015 so about 6 months since realese of ark so that wasent much time even more at the very beginning of early access

[ripe cedar]

And mutations were added in 2016 i think

[true fox]

I forgot pre cryopod

which means if you wanted to imprint you had to stock everything

[tropic forge]

it means if you wanted to imprint you barelly sleep, problem aint about stocking since back then ppl had kibble farms, every tribe had ence why cryopods were made and kibble tree was change

thing was about 18 different kibbles you need back then if not mistake

[true fox]

fwics only the ones you see now

[tropic forge]

now, you just buy it from the hexo store

[true fox]

meh, generally don't play the hex maps much.

got what I wantd on gen2 and moved on

[blissful perch]

I think it (mutations) was first introduced 2016? For a few creatures

[tropic forge]

dont think so cause that reddit ppl were talking about more strong dinos but i dint read much but i do know when it came to ps4 6 december of 2016 it had mutations already so even before ark when official and had functional tek there was the breeding mechanics whit mutations so you dint play much time whitout that barely few months at the very core of the beginning of ark early access that was it afterwards it was normal and devs made the whitout the need for mutations to do the bosses, island is dualble whit non mutated dinos although i dont thing tame ones are enough need that imprint boost, aberration you can do it on foot if need it whit tek armor and cactus brod, extinction the 3 titans, gen 1 reapers, gen 2 again reapers but in alpha solo its gonna be hell to do it since the all ark vibe is to do team work not solo

now on pvp mutations whit ppl that thing they pay the server and own the server so they can do whatever they feel like yeh mutations play a big part in that power hungry trip for sure but that aint mutation problem its on wc making a pve game whit pvp mode that dosent work at all, timers for everything are insane and too much work to have some kid/troll destroy it because its fun

[blissful perch]

Iirc breeding was rolled out in iterations over time

[untold ingot]

I mean that is what pvp is about these days. I think before server transfers it was more chill, but even then it was only because resources were harder to find

[tropic forge]

survival of the fittest its the only vial option i can see as ark pvp, fast pace action, that way the losers wont feel that lost months or years of hard work and sacrifice to be online dealing whit the insane rules that wc sets as normal for official servers

[harsh spear]

ark pvp pre transfer was enjoyable imo

[tropic forge]

plus pvp always brings an unrival unforgivable toxicity that drags everyone on it

[untold ingot]

I mean, most people don't lose bases that lasted months, and after months of pvp (especially wipe pvp) you get bored and want to move on anyway

[untold ingot]

Toxicity isn't inherent in pvp

[tropic forge]

sure, well let me thing, ho yeh last time i play new world that chat wasent toxic at all, let me thing what last the last thing i remember a pvper complain, "y'all bunch of fxxxxx, too scare to do pvp, this game is dead, theres almost no ppl to do pvp" and thats from the most recent game that i play that as pvp mix whit pve

[untold ingot]

Pvp mixed with pve is the most toxic form

I have never played a pvpve in ark that didn't have a ridiculous amount of toxicity

[tropic forge]

and what you think ark is, the only difference is that as separated servers for pve and pvp but since its a pvp game it will bring that toxicity into to it, lost count on how many times sore losers' from pvp came to pve to grief others that were playing friendly help the server so on, where do you think the pillar pandamic came from in pve?

[untold ingot]

There is toxicity in pve too lol

[tropic forge]

of course, its call RMT but thats a diferent story, other times its just playing stupidity and greedy

[untold ingot]

But no, I don't think pillaring in pve comes from pvp players

[tropic forge]

ho no it was us pve ppl that start pillar everything to protect and have less pain on enjoying our time while we play, cause waking up joining the server to find global chat in panic cause some pvp that lost everything join our server to place foundations everywhere it wasent fun for us

[untold ingot]

Pve pillar to protect "their" space from other pve players.

[tropic forge]

no that was the first step, placing pillars around the base and if the base is open air placing pillars inside too so no one could grief us but later that "protect their base" expand to protect their territory (resources, meat runs, not letting others build in render distance) so on

everyone that play ark as fall in many mistakes thats why they are call Bobs but you only stay a bob if you dont learn from your mistakes

[untold ingot]

That isnt an issue solely because of pvp players lol. Pvp players in pve show up for like a day or 2, and then move on. The impact is minimal. Pve players are the ones who do that to each other.

Toxicity isn't inherent to game mode. It's something everyone does in online games

[tropic forge]

maybe that happen to you but one of my servers on early access stay whit foundations like if was pillars for 2 months, barely had anything to farm or kill

i really have to disagree, when a game i only pve you barely have anything toxic maybe some clown time to time but a clown aint a troll

tell me if ark was only pve you think there would be cheats like aim bots? maybe cheats for resources but that already exist whit duping but very few to none would spend their time looking ways to mesh for sure

ho and i almost forgot my favorite, ddos gotta love pve servers clusting whit pvp and their stability when that pvp server is getting ddos

[untold ingot]

... If the game was totally pve there wouldn't be a desire for aimbot... That's kind of a pointless argument

[blissful perch]

Cheating in PvE does have less immediate impact on other players though

The only loser most of the time with something like PvE aimbot is the cheater tbh

[untold ingot]

If the argument is that we need to switch to only pve to combat cheating and toxicity, that's a dumb argument.

[blissful perch]

Nah. My arguments revolve around PvP needing to be more accessible and frankly more content favorable

Most PvP YouTube content is just plain boring to watch, if it’s even going up in the same year it was recorded in

[rancid harness]

Smaller stakes?

[untold ingot]

I spend 24 hours on official pve last month. The entire time every time I knocked a Dino to tame it, or started taming anything, someone with a capped mana would come by and kill whatever I was taming. A pvp player on official pve would not have a capped mana. The guy was dumb though and left his mana, so I got it killed, found his server number and led 5 titanosuar into his base lol

[blissful perch]

Possibly. Or more of your progression being tied to your character so it can’t be stolen. I’m fine with large stakes in regards to materials and gear…but progression stakes I’m less happy about being “vulnerable” when offline for example

[tropic forge]

that cant be right, last time i play once a dino is k.o only that player can kill it other way to go around it is to pull a bunch of wild dinos that will aggro to that ko dino

[untold ingot]

Leading a wild Dino to a knocked tame is still griefing

[tropic forge]

now if youre trying to tame a normal dino lvl 15 on a server thats getting dino cap i can see someone going there to kill it, thats one of the toxic parts of ark pve, got only worst whit those box box ppl

[untold ingot]

The point is that griefing is not pvp unique.

[tropic forge]

no but got to pve cause of many reasons, like i said if a game is only pve it will have less toxic ppl, but all im trying to say is all this talk about primitive only no breeding so on its only cause affects more pvp but again pve ppl gotta pay for the sinners

[untold ingot]

Lol, what

[tropic forge]

cant see the big picture fine lets move along

[untold ingot]

I disagree with your big picture

[tropic forge]

ok

[untold ingot]

As of now, I have yet to see a change in the game for pvp that negatively affected pve

And on the toxicity topic, take this discord, the most toxic regular is bruising, and he is a pve player lol

In any case the toxicity in pvp is generally self contained. The only time it overlaps is over discord lol

The issue of toxicity is an issue of online gameplay, not gamemode

[tropic forge]

flyers speed nerf, after flyers stam nerf (cant regain stam while in the air whit the player stand on it, origin pvp, wc " to prevent players to live n the sky", many land dino nerfs, cryos for a while had the same nerf as the pvp, crap cant remember more

[tropic forge]

not sure he is a pve player but im sure he is a fanatic troll, never found one until him

[tropic forge]

i dont find the toxic on pve games only as i find on the pve/pvp mix games

[untold ingot]

9kay, so regarding this, explain to my why fliers shouldn't have been nerfed in pve? Especially considering that they flew so fast that things couldn't render...

[untold ingot]

It's more contained on pve games, doesn't mean it's not there

[tropic forge]

first, wc refer that nerf as a problem to turrets not able to target certain flyers, pretty sure that aint a problem on pve and second yes some flyers ppl would put too much speed on it a.k.a pteras and wyverns that buildings woundt render or ppl would get stuck inside of bases due to that problem but dint need that hard nerf on the pve side like locking speed stat , as for the stam nerf i at least never see someone making a base on a quetz, there was no reasons plus there was no cryos so it would make hard to have tames save whitout a base

you have to admit there wasent a single nerf done due to problems on pve side it always was from pvp side causing problem and exploid them

[untold ingot]

I am going to disregard the first point because it isn't relevant to pve.

[untold ingot]

I think a lot of the "pvp" nerfs benefited pve.

[tropic forge]

not really, at least i dont see it how

[untold ingot]

And going into ark2 for pve (because I quit pvp) I would actually love to see more of those pvp nerfs for pve.

[untold ingot]

As it sits for pve you need a boss army, a cave Dino, and a flier, and that's basically it.

The game doesn't benefit from that.

Fliers on pve are still too op imo

[blissful perch]

It’s true though that a game where cooperation rather than competition is encouraged generally has less toxic players

[tropic forge]

well thats how you objective the game, theres a reason for open world sand box, there aint story line to follow or narrow path to follow you make your objectives and play your way of the game, if you only want a boss army, cave dino and a flyer its up to you

[untold ingot]

It isn't a good enough reason to remove a pvp game mode, especially when they rarely overlap

[blissful perch]

Agreed, though that’s fox’s argument rather than mine

[tropic forge]

they absulutly overlap cause wc dont make adjust or balance for pve its all for pvp but still pvp keep complain and pointing fingers to what should be remove while pve ppl that stay longer on the game and play for much more time get forgot and put on a conner

[untold ingot]

Again, give me am example

[tropic forge]

i never use it but manas, one of the most nerf creatures right before of gigas, wyverns stam i cant recall for sure but i think at the begining of the ps4 they had more stam, well this aint great exemple since it was on pve side the problem happen but the dino grab, they could deny flyers and even the land ones but denying tusos the grab that its a main for for them to heal was deny on pve but not on pvp but again not good exemple, think drakes were nerf too, tajas were nerf when walk grabbing or whatever its call when they land on a wall a certain point they made it to loose stam and more faster damn i know there was many more but yeh thats my memory limited

[untold ingot]

Flier carry on pve was removed because it was a pve problem

[tropic forge]

no you cant grab whit land dinos (megas) or using tuso grab either maybe some more cant recall

so not only flyer carry

[untold ingot]

That is a pve balance changed

Not a pvp one

[tropic forge]

like i said that wasent a great exemple but yet that nerf was in place before tuso came out and they dint change the way of them to heal

[untold ingot]

As for Manas you can't seriously tell me that they shouldn't have been nerfed

[tropic forge]

i have no idea i only ride one once and never again i dont like does flying wolfs

so no clue how much they were nerf aside from others complaininig

[untold ingot]

So your example of pvp nerfs that affected pve are 2 that should have happened anyway, and 2 that are pve only

[tropic forge]

so you miss wyvern stam nerf tajas nerf drakes nerf that i manage to remember and kept the one i said it wasent great exemple and manas that were so nerf that pvp players still cry about it

[untold ingot]

Pve players cry about i8

And the flier Stam nerf was one that I included as should have happened anyway

[tropic forge]

barely see anyone on officials complaining it, they mainly use them for quick trips and for looks 🤣

[untold ingot]

I never see people on official complain about the nerfs lol. I do see people on arkpoc complaining that they still need to be nerfed

[south lance]

pve just needs more mechanics

and less stats

[tropic forge]

but the way you say you mean they have done by correctly locking speed stats making certain flyers useless right away, before nerf ppl qould pay same if not more for a good quetz insted of a wyvern after nerf quetz were only for base paint and since there wasent crypods that time ppl dint even had the corage to kill them it was just garbage on the conner of the base

[south lance]

stat cap needs to hit hard asa/ark2

also like, if the servers were nice you could go further with stat cap and mechanics

hitreg and other garbage kinda validate overpowered gear

[tropic forge]

pve needs its own balances and gameplay separated from pvp and since like rizz says pvp are so civilize i still wish pve cluster should be separated from pvp cluster for performance issues

[south lance]

maybe yeah

but the issue seems that pve just wants to get broken dinos to make qol better

[tropic forge]

whats broken in pvp dosent means its broken in pve

[untold ingot]

I am not saying pvp is civilized. I am saying that I can't think of any pvp nerfs that actually negatively impacted pve balance

[south lance]

broken doesnt exist in pve

because ultimately pve wants to bypass a lot of the work that ultimately is just tedious

[untold ingot]

Flier speed, Manas and such were way to overpowered for pve, and flier carry in pve was a pve problem

[south lance]

honestly it kinda proves that ark at its core is a boring game because of the farm reqs

it needs a better pve experience that isnt just trying to turn the game into creative

[untold ingot]

I am of the opinion that a major amount of things should be nerfed in pve.

[south lance]

otherwise why even play multiplayer

i dont think a nerf is enough

nerf would slow down pve at most

[untold ingot]

A nerf isn't enough, but it still is needed

[south lance]

but thats evidently not what 99% of pve wants

and i cant blame them, the game would be such a slog with a nerf like that

[untold ingot]

A nerf to speed and fliers, and a reworking of loot items and a general nerf of breeding would be a start

[tropic forge]

flier speed wasent overpowered on pve what youre talking its pve almost none as turrets and the ones that have aint for players or tame dinos puffff its better having slow useless quetz than have something thats ussefull ok

[south lance]

imagine having to spend 300 hours just to be able to build efficiently because you now have to breed up what you could originally tame

[untold ingot]

Super speed across a map and the ability to completely disregard any danger is like the definition of overpowered

[south lance]

flyer speed was qol

the base game combat is not fun enough to justify engaging with it all the time

thats why flyer speed isnt broken for most pve players

it fixes a problem mainly, not dealing with the tedium of bite spam

or the tedium of going around a dino you cant kill

[tropic forge]

so by your definition flying is op in general cause the only thing that attacks on the sky is wyverns the rest dosent attack you or barely flies a.k.a argies so on

[south lance]

if you want yo force pve to engage with the pve combat, the pve combat needs to be fun enough

[tropic forge]

that even aint the real problem, its pve no one its looking for rat holes, everyone is looking for big flat planes to build huge bases which many times those bases close walking paths

[south lance]

or if you want them to engage with ground exploration, that needs to be fun enough too

[south lance]

that seems more server specific but idk

like even pvp theres entire sections of tje map structure spammed away

or tps every couple meters

[tropic forge]

its official not all ppl care if you can walk by or not or even you have to cross the other half of the map to reach your base on foot its pve ppl aint afraid of building in open air

thats why i said "pve needs its own balances and gameplay separated from pvp and since like rizz says pvp are so civilize i still wish pve cluster should be separated from pvp cluster for performance issues" its totally diferent way of playing the game

[south lance]

eh

[tropic forge]

but i can see even ark 2 gonna be pvp focus again screw the rest, you know the rest that will still play while the pvp players quit after being crush over and over

[south lance]

?

[tropic forge]

you will see

[south lance]

maybe

[blissful perch]

It’s a false issue imo. ManyPvE players want op stuff…until it makes things so easy the game falls apart and they quit

[south lance]

but the issue is that the base game already is absurdly easy to get by

its mostly just time sink that makes it "hard"

like all the resources you need to do something are online

[desert swallow]

That's what missions were trying to solve

but they need better combat, which hopefully ark 2 will have

[blissful perch]

If you strongly nerf BPs and mutation stacking it helps. As Jordan said, spicing up combat and equipment/gear/tame variety would probably be enough to get us to the finish line

I think properly locking flier gameplay into a niche that has more fleshed out elements would also help. Weather/predators/etc, similar to the oceans having a separate host of considerations

Another element I haven’t talked to death and think should be brought up is a total rework of caves. Creature spam should not be the primary difficulty knob

[untold ingot]

Not exactly. My issue is that it is too easy to get and too easy to use a flier. In almost every other game that they have fliers they are harder to use and more vulnerable

[untold ingot]

I don't know how this myth started, but the ark devs as not pvp only focused actually. Most recent changes actually cater to the pve more.

[untold ingot]

I completely agree with this. Hopefully that gets reworked with the new ai

[blissful perch]

PvE has a way higher ROI, so it makes sense

[untold ingot]

It does. But wildcard does do really well at seperating the modes imo

[true fox]

I don’t think you balance pvp and PvE by making them follow the same mechanics

[untold ingot]

In what sense

And which mechanics specifically

[true fox]

So I’m officially 24h of gameplay into my Island test runon official servers. Lvl 88. One thing I noticed is that Island still had the old level skew so finding max level Dino’s is going to be very very hard in ASA. I’m expecting I’ll have to tame a lot of females and beg whomever gets lucky with a good male for breeding

[blissful perch]

Breeding

[true fox]

Argies Pteras etc are all easily obtained.

Rexes are sparse. High levels are nonexistent

[untold ingot]

That isn't a pvp vs pve mechanic though if that is what you were trying to emphasize

[true fox]

Fastest flyer is ptera so I’m expecting to start a high steam breed line just to go fast

[true fox]

No separate conversation

[untold ingot]

Ah, okay.

[true fox]

Just a general comment about the balance issues people were discussing. Right now Ark1 mechanics are mostly the same for o PvE and PvP. I think they should not bother trying to maintain that and go for the right set of rules for each environment that helps balance that style. Make sense?

[untold ingot]

You'll have to be more specific. What set of rules exactly, and how would you justify doing that?

[true fox]

Like a no flyer zone might exist on one but not the other

[untold ingot]

Why would that be a thing

[true fox]

Just a made up example.

Balance is very very hard an I am no expert and not about to try to take it on

Especially since I don’t play PvP

[untold ingot]

Well, don't make up an example. Having them be different for arbitrary reasons is a waste of dev time and file size

[blissful perch]

It would be interesting if for example PvE had across the board different breeding rates or something

Or had things like no bed timers

[untold ingot]

I think pve breeding rates on official should be longer if anything

[true fox]

Not for arbitrary reasons. I’m suggesting that they have a lot of settings built into existing (and likely future) servers that can help with balance

[untold ingot]

On pvp of someone has too many dinos, you just take a giga and get rid of them. In pve someone can have a ridiculous number and there is nothing you can do about it

[untold ingot]

Okay, give an example

[true fox]

Yeah shifter that is what I was suggesting. They can take a look over settings and make some more informed choices about default settings. Going to a “new” game gives them time to rethink older default settings with an established player base that might have benefited from previous settings

[true fox]

No thx.

Anyway, I think it will be really fun to see what they decide to change or not. I’m excited to play it either way

[untold ingot]

The only reason I ever see pve players ask for seperate settings is because they don't like nerfs on ridiculously op tames or mechanics like the mana or flier speed leveling. If someone can present a legitimate reason to further diverge the ruleset I would love to see it. But if avoiding nerfs is the reason I can't take it seriously

[true fox]

I’m trying to decide how far to take my Island experiment. Whether I actually breed and try a boss or just call it once I’m set up and ready to do that.

It’s fun right now, but the slog through mutations is long and painful sometimes

[stray elm]

PvE and PvP communities on official have always asked for separate balancing.
Both modes have different playstyle, and so when a creature gets nerfed for one side, it usually hurts the other side since it was fine on said other side.

[untold ingot]

On official? Just do the gamma bosses. You won't have time to breed a good line

[true fox]

Gamma I can likely do with some first gen imprints

[untold ingot]

I mean, give an example of that. Where one mode was actually hurt by a nerf for the other

[true fox]

I’ve never done tek cave by myself though

[stray elm]

I'd say the Mana stuff back on Extinction that was meant for PvP balancing, and I believe Titans where also nerfed for OSD's for PvE, making them weaker on PvP

[true fox]

And I’ve not seen a single wild giga yet

[untold ingot]

Manas needed a nerf for pve. Titans also needed a nerf for pvp

[stray elm]

Mana's didn't need a nerf though on PvE.
Making them so useless against any titans is kind of shitty.

[untold ingot]

Them being so op that they could solo anything in the game was justification for a nerf in pve.

They don't have an endgame taming method. They shouldn't be endgame tames

[stray elm]

Correct, and I'm not saying they 'shouldn't' had nerfed them.
But they nerfed them in total like, 3 times. And now they're kind of dogshit.

[untold ingot]

I mean, not really. They are still one of the fastest dinos in the game, and they can still deal a ridiculous amount of damage.

They just can't solo the bosses from fresh tame anymore

The only thing thst makes them bad rn is that in pvp they can be netted. In pve they are still very strong

[blissful perch]

Shorter timers and lower max creature caps

[untold ingot]

And with the issue of server cap?

[blissful perch]

Server cap is its own can of worms. Not sure how to best fix that

As for balance - an example I can think of is cave building

The extra damage is kinda pointless or downright weirdly harmful in PvE, but in PvP it’s critical. (Though I’d prefer cave building be disabled in all artifact caves)

[true fox]

A lot of default behaviors suck

form a tribe, be the only one in it. disband the tribe... all the structures you built are now owned by... nobody

[blissful perch]

Well that’s crap in both formats lol

[true fox]

yup

[untold ingot]

That is why I think high timers is needed

[untold ingot]

Isn't cave building blocked in pve?

[tropic crag]

If all you're going to do is talk shit, leave my name out of your messages. Thanks in advance

[desert swallow]

bruising likes to grief on pve official while being toxic AF here.

[tropic crag]

One small issue, I am never touching official ever again in Ark 1 lmao

I run my own cluster, no need to play in that particular cesspool that is official

[desert swallow]

seems like something a griefer would say

[tropic crag]

I've been had, code red, code red

I do a little trolling to/with my players, as a treat

[mint swan]

What’s your cluster so all of us can make sure to never join it?

Oh no, more clown emojis!

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure if it’s only artifact caves or if it’s all caves. Been too long since I touched official PvE (the only format that would actually do that lol)

[untold ingot]

Don't worry, you know I am done with you lol

[south lance]

wouldnt this be an issue regardless on servers owned by single megas for months at a time

like the amount of breeding you can get is still enormous, i think lower interval just means you have more culls to even it out

plus cryos decrease load on server by an immense amount

[untold ingot]

There is a tribe limit and a server limit. A tribe can't hit server limit, so this isn't an issue on a single server owned by a mega. It's almost exclusively hit by pve servers

[south lance]

theres a tribe limit?

[mint swan]

In terms of tames, yes

[south lance]

i mean even if there is, pve would have already had this issue years ago

the interval just changes how fast you reach it

unless youre imagining like, 99% reduction

[south lance]

it must be massive

[true fox]

I think it is like 500 or a thousand or something

The officials server ini is out here someplace if you want to look

[untold ingot]

They have found it. If you try to tame a Dino on a server that is tame capped it'll say that

You can just look in your inventory, it says it there

[south lance]

sounds like something youd be better off just reducing number of dinos per tribe over rather than increasing breed interval over unless you want an increase of like 10-100x

[winged dome]

Kinda why I hope Ark2 has some sort of dino storage, or way to breed dinos without having them out in the world all the time. I hate dino parking lot bases

But that'd probably have its own host of issues to over come

[untold ingot]

I mean, I don't have strong opinions on it since I probably won't play official. But it is something to consider

[untold ingot]

I can think of a couple ways that would be problematic. You would be able to turn it into a lag machine if you were allowed more than a couple in an area at a time

Breeding or producing in a storage slot isnt a good base game mechanic imo. It's better left for mods

[south lance]

or just have breeding outside in large bases

and store dinos in stables

[untold ingot]

That's my take on jt

[south lance]

ye

[winged dome]

I fully admit, I'm spoiled by mods 😂

[tropic forge]

youre nuts 🤣

[untold ingot]

I mean, you could read the rest I said about that before taking things out of context

[tropic forge]

by the time i reach the end i forgot what was the context of youre saying that, was about server dino cap?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[untold ingot]

Also this

[tropic forge]

no, breeding timers are already way high, too much demanding of your time for like gigas mosas basil's when they cant feed themselves, if i, that dont work can barely keep up on raising them whitout cryos those that work dont even try they just buy them full grown at extreme prices or RMT,

the solution is what wc did whit cryopods, but, they fail whit or the idea wasent just a fix to something but still was out of control,

the cryopod should be follow whit the reduce amount of dinos per tribe outside then again for pvp that would cause more problems i guess only be able to have 30 dinos to attack but im not pvp so no idea there, but, the main problem and why not reduce the amount of dinos per tribe is on the mechanic's of mutations and rng of getting a mutation,

so by the time cryos came out it was way too late for that, plus theres the RMT ppl that would go around that very easily by making a new character, new tribe, allied themself's and have more dino cap for breeding,

by the way even whit 350 dino tribe cap if not mistake ppl still do that on officials so it wont be a problem for those that make a living of ark but,

then you could say wc could lock steam id so a player not able to make a new character on the same server to try go around the tribe cap, but then there is the free game offer like happens on epic, on that moment one person can own a million of copies and all that effort would go on waste

PS( had to edited the text cause trolls were coming of the caves)

the problem of the breeding bases its the same of the kibble farms that use to exist and was solve by simplify the process and make it less need of huge amount of dinos to just standing there to lay eggs, i believe the same can be applied to breeding

[mint swan]

aint readin allat

[worldly garden]

🤣

Learn paragraphs.

[elfin pumice]

Not a single period

[tropic forge]

hell no, consider lucky the text aint in caps

[worldly garden]

Don't complain if no-one bothers to read it after you spent all that time typing it. 🤣

[tropic forge]

well its there explaining everything dont care if ppl read or dont

[pine tiger]

I aint reading allat 💀💀💀

[stray elm]

I ain't reading all of that.

But I'm glad for you.

Or sorry that happened.

[tropic forge]

it seems i touch a lot of nerves in that text 🤣 🍿

[pine tiger]

Didnt even read it tho 👽

[mint swan]

Oh look, another unfunny joke

[tropic crag]

I wish

[mint swan]

Same

[tropic crag]

(And I'd be much closer to death but)

[mint swan]

Hey i got no beef with you im just makin a joke

[tropic crag]

Nah, not talkin about you man

[mint swan]

Lol

[tropic crag]

You're good lol

[blissful perch]

Since we’re on the subject of bait, I’d love to be able to craft baits and catch a greater variety of actual fish (or even some loot unique to fishing)

I wouldn’t mind a spicing up of the fishing minigame either…I think sea of thieves has an awesome one

[tribal chasm]

The fishing in Ark 1 was very messy honestly. A fun feature, but also so many issues ie -- honey glitching/turning into a 'cheat' looking item. Having to make weird sunken gateframe rafts to trap a fish, or else you would constantly snag tiny useless fish that depleted your rod's durability. Or requiring a tribemate to come 'punch' the fish to fix it after it would inevitably bug out.
Then without a raft/trap, you were subject to PvE coming by, or the fish insta-killing itself when trying to run away...sigh

Point being if they wanted to add more features to fishing, it would require polishing up I think

[blissful perch]

What do you think about fishing not catching actual fish mobs?

In many games there are “fish” that can’t be interacted with, sort of like ark’s tropical fish schools, that show good fishing…then a fish “appears” for fishing players and gets hooked

That way you don’t have to be irritated with the actual coel/salmon creatures and their spawns. It also makes spear fishing and rod fishing more distinct and imo a bit more…idk rewarding? Especially since you could make it so rods catch stuff you can’t just see and stab with a weapon

[tribal chasm]

True, that could work, but I did enjoy spyglassing and going 'oo a 2.x fish', if they can somehow add a similar thing to that

[blissful perch]

I know in SoT you could see the shape/color of the incoming fish that appeared before it hooked, so you had some time to appraise if it was worth catching

Is that kinda what you’re asking about?

[winged dome]

Visions of inevitable Hunter's Call grind...
-Shudders-

But seriously, SoT fishing is pretty alright. I do like that theres local fish variety, special spawns, and most require specific baits. Having a side activity is fine, but having a fleshed out side activity is even better!

Haven't done much of it, but Valheim has a similar idea, and fish even give you renewable biome loot (which would otherwise theoretically eventually disappear from a world since most resources don't respawn)

Plus the added bonus of a reliable food buff source, which in Valheim is acually pretty important

[desert abyss]

Random feature request # 24... a way to pet/interact with each tame like we already have for a few but for ALL. I want to show my spino or tuso my appreciation damn it

[vapid panther]

I think its New World that has fishing holes. Some are riskier to fish at so have better loot. And they eventually get fished out for a bit The map shows which spots are good at what time. Makes it so fishers have to trek to remote areas when the fiah are biting. Gear and skill make a difference in quality too.

[vapid panther]

Those were the days!
Maybe it won't happen, but they already said there will be more event type situations. Making fishing holes could cut back on server processing while adding another layer to gaming styles.
But i agree that overall, gameplay balance is the biggest issue they face.

[tropic forge]

i rather have new world fishing i find it better

and alpha mosas too would give asc rod and yeh i actually got asc rex bp but was low armor like 100 below but still it actually would made you think on going for a fish trip but after nerf screw fishing on ark

[untold totem]

I like SoT and Valheim's fishing as well

[blissful perch]

Why? I don’t see much to indicate that

In fact I see the rolling events system as support for fishing being just as dynamic. Refining the loot pool isn’t an impossible lift either to ensure it works smoothly

[celest grove]

Will ark 2 have option to let you create saves and better saving options

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I'll agree to this, I just don't like handheld cryos

[tropic forge]

gotta catch them all 🤣

[true fox]

How long before we get an update on ASA that isn't 'here's a picture of a tree' ?

[worldly garden]

The last few updates weren't pictures of a tree.

[true fox]

were there more recent updates with data than 356?

[worldly garden]

nah, were just getting assets for now. Probably won't see anything different before August.

[true fox]

Mesh&Pathfinding, Photo Mode, DLSS, Baby Mgmt QOL, Wild Babies, Snap Points, Character cosmetics, and x-platform MP, and Blueprint mods

[worldly garden]

Why are you listing out the features?

[true fox]

Thats all we know. And we knew it on April 7

hence, I wonder when we'll get more than just artwork re-renders.

[worldly garden]

Probably in August.

[true fox]

sad but seems likely

Given the lack of updates and it not yet even appearing in various game stores, I'm not optimistic for august

[worldly garden]

That's because crossplay doesn't exist for those platforms, not until ARK Survival Ascended is released.

[blissful perch]

I think even something as simple as making fishing loot primarily benefiting fishing…such as getting better gear for fishing or catching more rare fish…I think that’s a good start

[true fox]

The only way you can get a fishing pole thats not engram is to kill a deep sea alpha of course

So much fun "Ark Logic" 🙂

[dry valve]

As far as those features for ASA that were released back in April - What does Photo Mode mean?

I'm guessing its the feature from ARK Mobile. I found this online: Photo Mode is a feature in ARK: Survival Evolved Mobile. Overview Photo Mode allows the survivor to take photos in-game using a free camera. The survivor can choose from 5 different filters: anime, vibrant, noire, retro, invert, and black & white. The survivor can also adjust light level, shadow brightness, and color saturation.

[true fox]

community crunch 356 is basically all we know

[worldly garden]

I think it's going to be a much more advanced camera mode than what's on mobile. I'm hoping it will mean no more need for Nvidia Ansel.

[dry valve]

Agreed 🙂 It will be awesome if its all part of the main load in instead of having to chose that Nvidia Ansel option at start.

[harsh spear]

classic ark nerf instead of reducing the ascendent bp rate they make it entirely useless.

[blissful perch]

A rare fish could substitute for a rare resource - there’s certainly a model where that works

It could also be a trophy item used for some cosmetic purpose - there’s easy value to that as well. Fishing need only serve a function…it doesn’t need to be meta

[true fox]

Sky giga nerf incoming

[serene onyx]

Yes

[untold ingot]

Its probably a replacement for k mode that won't mesh

[untold ingot]

I mean the fishing for chibis was a great idea. If instead of default survivor skins you had to fish for them it could work

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with that - it certainly beats the cooking method lol

But I agree with the root concern - it can’t compete with bulk harvesting of readily available resource nodes that drop way more way faster

[tribal chasm]

Depending on how they can handle duplication glitches in 1.5 and 2.0, it could have been cool to have something like ...
A situation where you can get items slightly over the regular item caps, such as a weapon that could reach 350%, or a saddle above 124. Not as a blueprint mind you, just as 1 off, slightly advantageous item

[untold ingot]

Well, my hope is that it's a replacement of it

And that seems likely

[untold ingot]

I mean, if the caps are severely nerfed I could get behind this

I know it is a different thing...

I have a basic hope for it though. An orbital camera that doesn't mesh. That's all I want

[winged dome]

Hopefully building and snap point adjustments will improve this

[tribal chasm]

I'm talking like, you use up an entire Alpha Tuso quality fishing rod, catching large fish, getting nothing
and maybe every 2-3 rods, you might get a single, random ascendant quality weapon/saddle that is above the usual cap. A lot of effort for a measly 350% fab sniper, or 150 armor saddle.

I was just thinking about how Fishing could have a gimmick to it in 2023 :p

[jade trout]

Praying for Ark 2 gameplay in the summer game fest 🙏🙏

[blissful perch]

I dunno, I think that’s a shallow way to make it better

I think a unique loot table or unique draw to fishing OUTSIDE normal loot tables is a better approach

A unique resource or a unique cosmetic would be best imo

[winged dome]

Extremely unlikely since the Devs stated there will be no Ark2 gameplay in 2023. Ark Asc gameplay, maybe

[jade trout]

Bruh

[untold ingot]

You get that overcap gear is not measly right?

Overcap gear, especially for a sniper or important saddle is actually broken

Also that would lend to "that guy got lucky fishing, so now he wins every fight". Which isn't a good way to structure an aggressive pvp mode.

Especially since they are trying to go more skill based in ark2

[worldly garden]

Not even ASA gameplay either.

[nova sonnet]

when is ark animated series coming out??????????

[boreal marten]

Never it seems

[tribal chasm]

I don't think so personally. At least, not when it's a single item and as rare as this, for an activity nobody does in 2023 to begin with.
Officials are already full of spawned in / duplicated gear that is well beyond the normal obtainable means. Usually Apprentice/Journeyman gear with high durability. Likewise, Genesis 2 released blueprints at the start which were ridiculous, and later still could be over-capped. Unless they changed the no-grind icon bps, you can still get 400% weapons and 150 armor saddles for some dinos.

It's a Risk-reward thing, it's rare enough that nobody will want to use these things aggressively, and even defensively would be risky to use

[winged dome]

ASA is much more likely than Ark2 at least, but I wouldn't expect either

[true fox]

roadmap silence is not encouraging

as is no appearance on steam or game stores

still, more time to play old ark1

[worldly garden]

Yeah but considering they've said multiple times already they will be showcasing gameplay shortly before release then people shouldn't be expecting it before August.

[true fox]

I'm expecting a pretty ark1 with a different suite of Wildcard style bugs. I'll still probably be happy

prettier, i should say

[worldly garden]

If ASA is planned for 31st August, which currently it is, how would July be considered "shortly"? Also it's exactly what they did with ASE, the gameplay went out like a couple of weeks before release.

Yes I said people shouldn't be expecting it before August (the gameplay) because ASA is currently planned for 31st August, therefore July would not be considered "shortly before release".

You've clearly misunderstood the discussion at some point.

Yes and then you said " "shortly" shouldn't mean the Month of." Therefore as ASA is releasing in August that is why I was saying July would not be considered "shortly" (considering you said it shouldn't mean the month of. Everything i've said makes sense to me.

[tropic forge]

ASA its not planned for 31st august, 31st august is planned for officials of ASE going offline

no they said after ASE officials shotdown ASA will be avaible shortly after, check cc if you want

[worldly garden]

They said ASA is end of August, then they said officials will close on 31st august shortly before ASA launches. So that's what i'm going with.

[tropic forge]

they aint gonna take down officials and next hour put ASA for sale 🤣

infact you should expect a delay on ASA not sure if officials will still going down

was that the last cc of ASA or the 1st of april?

[worldly garden]

Why is it so difficult to understand? Currently they have not said a specific date.

In the first Roadmap they said ASA enmd of August.
In the revised roadmap they said official servers will sunset on 31st August shortly before ASA release. They did not say or change anything about ASA releasing end of August.

Therefore logic dictates that currently the planned date is 31st August.

It's likely to be September, but they made no reference to that at all.

[true fox]

He is correct. The cc356 quote is:
"
This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch"

If 8/31 is shutdown date we should not expect ASA until September. They provided no context or definition of "shortly"

Shortly could be December or it could be September 1. 🙂

Hence my comment the other day saying last roadmap was April 6. Maybe provide an update?

[worldly garden]

I also wouldn't be expecting them to shut down official servers with "shortly" being 1 or more weeks later.

They would want the gap between official servers as short as possible.

[tropic forge]

dont wast time they really thing one hour after officials of ASE wc gonna launch ASA

[worldly garden]

You are the only one that has banged on about it being 1 hour.

[tropic forge]

if you want to go that way youre the one banged on 31st of august 🤣

[worldly garden]

Because that's what WC have said and indicated. I'm not putting words in mouth like you are.

I mean you are the one that came in here intent on making a scene.

[tropic forge]

🍿

[true fox]

I quoted CC356. Do you see a date in a newer CC regarding ASA release?

[true fox]

I sure hope so. But I am guessing the shutdown in advance is so they can reuse the servers for ASA. That likely means reinstalling redoing storage and databases erc

I have not read anything implying new server hardware

That would be great but I'd be surprised

[worldly garden]

It makes sense that some of them will be reused because if they weren't they wouldn't necessarily need to shut them down before ASA launches. But new hardware would be much better.

Also we don't know yet how many servers they'll be setting up for launch, considering there will only be Island, Scorched and tSOTF.

[true fox]

Given we pay no ongoing maintenance or support fees I'd be frankly stunned if they spent money refreshing hardware

I mean, I absolutely hope so. And I'd love to see ASA show up a day or two after.

But...I'm realistic 🙂

[true fox]

I can have higher operating costs

which is why we refresh server hardware

I do datacenter stuff for a living

However, IIRC, they are not doing the capex for servers, its being contracted out

[true fox]

Lot more cloud compute choices for them than 2015

[true fox]

gives me more time to practice for ASA on Island.

boy, rough map the spawns are so low level all the time

[true fox]

Maybe calibrate local cave entry to how difficult the cave is?

At this point, who knows 🙂

[tribal chasm]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Unbreedable_creatures
I really wish this had a subcategory for dinos you can normally obtain, like, I am not sure they should classify something as unbreedable when it cannot be normally obtained anyway

Or does 'more breedable creatures' mean the new dinos they are going to be adding in 1.5?

[ripe cedar]

max level dinos are 1/500 spawns, its kinda crazy

[tribal chasm]

nice, true that would be fun

Well I say fun but...fun for the clusterfk / current status of Ark. 'Sure, why not'
It is a shame risk-reward is being removed from Ark at same time, it's all infinite eco/dinos

[blissful perch]

Capped dung beetles 😂

[nova sonnet]

I hope they buff the giga it feels really underwhelming right now…

[true fox]

wild dino levels massively favor 5-25

there's a google sheet, but I'm not allowed to link that?

[ripe cedar]

no, pretty sure only links aloud are those to the official ark webiste and maybe the wiki

I mean makes sense beacuse people could easily post malicious stuff

[untold ingot]

A giga feels underwhelming?

[untold ingot]

On the island and scorched yes. It's completely different distribution on rag and later maps

Level 5s are actually rarer on rag than a max level

[fallow niche]

Here, I'll share it since it's just those.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1f-MXGoKH0i_XRUQ0OrZ2r1KRFRFnzZdlv1Fj5jvjV6I/htmlview#gid=0

[true fox]

thx rizz

[fallow niche]

Yes this is the reason

[true fox]

I understand

[tribal chasm]

thanks 😮

[fallow niche]

Yw

[rare heart]

There was 0 chance ark ascended or 2 is in gamesfest right?

[untold ingot]

0 chance

[rare heart]

Yeah thought so

[untold ingot]

I was just repeating it lol

[ripe cedar]

level 5 on rag is impossible I thought, isn't min 15

[untold ingot]

Dunno, maybe

All I know is that rag has a really weird distribution

[true fox]

15 should be lowest possible on rag or center

[true fox]

Of course you can always send one over from another server

[ripe cedar]

Or breed one

[desert swallow]

or admin spawn and forcetame.

[nova sonnet]

cant do that on official 🤣

(unless pocket dev moment)

[mint swan]

Is ASA news expected at summer game fest?

[winged dome]

Seeing as SGF already happened and there was no news ... I'd say no

[mint swan]

There’s still more through this weekend. The 11th is the Xbox showcase

[true fox]

Not expected

[winged dome]

It's possible, but pretty unlikely. Expect nothing and never be disappointed

[harsh spear]

if you expect nothing, you'll also never be excited.

[untold ingot]

I get excited about nothing. It means naps are possible

[desert swallow]

If you nap forever, you'll never get excited or disappointed.

[untold ingot]

Yes

But since napping forever isn't viable, you do get excited when you can

[desert swallow]

Conversely, if you are disappointed, then it happens, then you get excited.

I call this Ark-2 Discord's Law of Excitement

[untold ingot]

Just always be dissappointedwhen it happens and excited when it doesn't. Problem solved

[winged dome]

Ah yes, the inverse hype theorem

[harsh spear]

you cant expect to not see something because it implies that you already expected it

[harsh spear]

but then youre excited for what happened in that moment and not because you expected it, which is my whole point.
i said "if you expect nothing, you'll also never be excited." in response to zenarkenstin, because not expecting comes at a cost, even though you cant technically not expect something.

[wanton pike]

Great discussions here as always 🤙🏼

[winged dome]

Normal upcoming game forums: Where's the hype!?

Ark2 forum: What's the hype? 🤔

[tropic forge]

who's the hype?

[untold ingot]

Replace that with you'll never have premature excitement.

Because being excited about something that will happen is different than being excited about something that is happening

[harsh spear]

funny thing is we in germany have a word for that which is called Vorfreude. it translates to anticipation. but if you translate that back it means expectation xD

[untold ingot]

Translation is never a 1:1

[true fox]

This is the way

For everyone getting their hopes up fir ASA in August I'd just like to remind you ark2 was announced in 2020 before the pandemic hit hard

[untold ingot]

Why?

[tropic forge]

youre about to be crucify here

[untold ingot]

I don't see what the relevance of thst is

[worldly garden]

It's easy for ASA to get pushed back considering the target date is the last day of August. Even if it comes out on 1st Sept people will scream its delayed. Surprised people are even bothered with delays now, it's just a way of life. Accept it and focus on the positives in life.

[harsh spear]

na not for every game studio.

ive seen people taking days off from work so they can stream ark on launch day only for it to be delayed 1 week before it wouldve launched

[blissful perch]

I see this as an absolute win

[blissful perch]

Agree - although I do think adding pressure to adhere to deadlines isn’t always a negative…there needs to be some level of accountability

I don’t enjoy the often heated and frankly toxic approach the gaming community takes on the issue, but there’s some value in the sentiment

[untold ingot]

They don't usually do pre-orders. So what are the accountable for?

[worldly garden]

Don't need to take days off work when you work from home full time! 🤣

[untold ingot]

Bruh, gotta run it in like that

[blissful perch]

It’s not legal - it’s PR accountability

If your word is worthless, that’s not good

[untold ingot]

It's a delay. Not the end of the world

[blissful perch]

In terms of the product yes. But a repeated lack of delivery on deadlines paints a negative image and negative trust

Do I really care when ark 2 or asa comes out? No. It should come when it’s ready, and idc how long that takes. But I’d strongly prefer wc simply not provide exact dates if they can’t meet them. It’s a setup for whiffed expectations with their consumers, which leads to damaged trust and a myriad of questionably essential PR troubles

[harsh spear]

i think they should do a closed beta for ASA, i have the feeling that there is gonna be a lot of bugs and exploits. ( cuz ive seen ARK and Atlas launch )

[blissful perch]

They likely already have that

I suspect 0 people talking publicly here tho are in it

[tropic forge]

no they dont 🤣

dont know why ppl still think they make private betas

[winged dome]

Didn't one of the Crunches mention working with popular modders to ensure their work transitions to Asc in time (or shortly after) launch?

[blissful perch]

…because they do?

[tropic forge]

sure, it as being proof whit the releases of dlc's and new creatures either from dlc or vote ones

[blissful perch]

You don’t think it’s playtested?

[tropic forge]

not by commum folk aka ark players

tested by wc themselfs for sure but barely

[blissful perch]

I think there is a closed group who will (and/or is) testing the new game that will not be part of the normal patch cycle testing

It’s not like wc can ask the average player to do play testing anyway - map knowledge for example translates directly to advantage, and idk how you’d trust that lol

[tropic forge]

its ark 1 in UE5 what knowledge is to uncover??? plus whit that way of thinking why offer ark 2 beta at all?

[blissful perch]

I’m just saying an NDA or basic screening would need to happen lol. Which would mean “not the average player”

The average player prolly can’t be trusted to keep things quiet lol

[tropic forge]

you know about a game call perfect new world?

[tribal chasm]

Well I know a few games which don't care about this, World of Warcraft is considered 'competitive' for raiding but they let people test them beforehand.
Wildcard already releases maps as soon as patch is out, people with slow internet or far from server can be hours late to join

[tropic forge]

diablo 4 got pay for ppl to beta test the game for them 🤣

[blissful perch]

I think Valorant also has a beta period where people can sign up and play the beta

[tropic forge]

i did first beta of perfect new world

[winged dome]

Uhh... So did WC with Ark1 😂

In fact, we're still beta testing it

[tropic forge]

and i dint see anyone chatting what happen on that beta on discord

[untold ingot]

An actual beta tester wouldn't be chatting in discord about it

[tropic forge]

thats what i always said about ark 1, it never got official release just new servers 🤣

[winged dome]

Exactly, they would most likely have a NDA

[tropic forge]

i had to click some terms i i dint care to read them 🤣 so i dont know if any was to NDA or whatever

[winged dome]

You'd know if you were under NDA

[tropic forge]

but anyway i at least never see wc posting for close test of anything

[blissful perch]

I doubt they’d publicly post

[winged dome]

Probably reaching out to partners or trusted people, like partnered modders. Two birds with one stone

[blissful perch]

When I did a closed beta test I was specifically reached out to in a private fashion

[untold ingot]

Why would they?

[tropic forge]

by the way i almost forgot to mention wc dint charge extra buck for testing their game plus game price so dont confuse ea whit pay to test

[blissful perch]

Man misses joke in real time? @winged dome confirm if joke

[tribal chasm]

I don't think Ark has ever had the integrity as a game to be too worried about these things, they are doing better nowadays but I mean...
you could report issues all you wanted in the past, either took months/years to fix.
As long as the main game is stable, they can decide then if they care about the Ark 1 problems

[winged dome]

Joke confirmed

[tropic forge]

how so? one cant be compare to the other

[tropic crag]

Fox Moment™️

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 imo was a test drive of a game concept that blew up. ASA and ark 2 will carry the torch as ark 1 falls into its grave

[desert swallow]

deep in more than one way

[ripe cedar]

I wonder how messed up the ragdoll will be when ark 1 dies

[winged dome]

Anky, but more fire

Harvesting the corpse only provides Raw Salt from Official Players realizing no data will be transferred

[ripe cedar]

Only so much more time to pillar the whole map

[blissful perch]

What shattered my mind was SP and unofficial players asking about data transfer

[ripe cedar]

Why?

Do you really have that high of standards for the average persons reading comprehension and critical thinking skills

[blissful perch]

Yes

Next question. I have unrealistic standards for people 😂

[true fox]

Well it is a chat for a game, some may be kids who don't have the critical reasonaing to understand why SP->MP transfers would never be allowed

[blissful perch]

It’s not SP -> MP, it’s people asking about why SP ark creatures (many of which are modded) can’t be transferred cleanly into ark 2

[true fox]

asa info in cc

not much...but pretty pictures

[winged dome]

I do like how the Stone structures look more brick like as opposed to roughly stacked stones

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it doesn't look like the completely reworked everything. Look at forge and fabricator, but some things have been redone in detail, like the aircon

I hope it's not an ingame screenshot though, because the thatch looks too clean

[dapper niche]

In cc?

[winged dome]

Forge looks updated. Cleaner, stones are stacked in a more organized and less angular way

[dapper niche]

Where?

[untold ingot]

Um, look at it again. The stones are exactly the same

The difference is the lighting which makes it look cleaner, but it is the same

[verbal wind]

i love how the thatch stuff looks

it was always so ugly in ark 1

[winged dome]

They're a bit cleaner, not much, but there's differences

[verbal wind]

better definition

[desert swallow]

I can see the countours of the forge. Sexy.

[winged dome]

Ark1 thatch is a love/hate relationship with me. I do like the primitive rugged look it provides and can make great accent pieces if used properly, but I always hated how it was a half set. No triangle foundations/ceilings, windows, ect

[untold ingot]

The model is the same. Shading, shadow and lighting is different making it look cleaner, but they didn't change the model

[winged dome]

Agree to disagree