ark-2

[tropic crag]

Cave meta hasn't been complained about as much as you think, the players have spoken, and they don't give a rip (as long as they own the cave lmao)

[blissful perch]

Same was true for fliers, but oh boy did that nerf improve the game

[tropic crag]

Ehh, just about everyone I know that played PvP had a "I was picked by a ptera going Mach 5" story, so pressing X to doubt

[blissful perch]

That quote doesn’t seem to me like a complaint. You could do the same right back to people

[tropic crag]

True, but it was complained about no less

[blissful perch]

It WAS broken, but people just assumed that was the ark standard

(Kinda like cave meta)

[tropic crag]

Cave meta isn't nearly the same as flier speed levelling, let's be real

[nova sonnet]

we already have flier speed levelling though (speedhacks :trollface:)

[tropic crag]

Flier speed was anywhere, anytime, for any reason. Cave meta? Just avoid that cave, EZ

[nova sonnet]

i just hope that they dont touch ratholes

except the illegal ones maybe

[tropic crag]

I hope they do just to spite you

[nova sonnet]

i dont see a problem with ratholes

[serene onyx]

No more rat holes

[tropic crag]

If you don't see the problem, you are the problem lol

[nova sonnet]

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT

[tropic crag]

Kinda cringe to be proud of being a stinky little rat tbh

[nova sonnet]

trying to raid a rathole in radiation zone on abb is like gouging your organs out

[serene onyx]

Rat holes suck

[nova sonnet]

i only play with my duo, we cant possibly live anywhere else

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, I guess

[nova sonnet]

you have to lose your honor and humanity in order to survive in this game

[tropic crag]

Duo PvP is unsustainable without glitches, cheats, or ratholes, and I'd like to see that rectified

[blissful perch]

Removing or severely nerfing cryos will be a major blow to caves and rat holes in ark 2. I’m fine to wait for that

[tropic crag]

Anywho, been a nice few debates, but TotK calls

[nova sonnet]

just hope they dont touch vindactur's infamous rathole :trollface:

KEEP THAT UNHOLY SPOT

[untold ingot]

Ratholes aren't an issue imo. Mesh spots are. And there is a difference between the two lol

[chrome schooner]

ratholes make the game more interesting

like bases get harder to raid

[blissful perch]

The reality of solo/duo play is that you need certain spots built into maps that let them hide out of sight of larger more dominant tribes

I’d prefer those spots be…nicer looking and appear a bit more intentional (let’s be honest in saying most rat holes look awful), but I think the concept is fine

Especially if cryos get a nerf so it’s harder to get big without a lot of space. Trading space for security however seems fine, but the space should be a bit more valuable imo (maybe one day would push people to open bases)

[open river]

I agree that ratholes are important for smaller tribes but aslong as cryos exist there will never be a reason for an open base ever again, it was much better before cryopods where cave bases were used to store loot and for breeding then raising would need to be done on land bases.

[winged dome]

Sadly, hoping for good aesthetic while in a PvP mindset is almost completely contradictory

[untold ingot]

Not really

[untold ingot]

The cave/rathole meta is not because of cryos, it's because of platform saddles and how easy it is to raid an open base offline

[open river]

true

what i mean is that caves are much easier to defend but before cryos existed there wasnt really a choice

[open river]

^^^

[untold ingot]

Online it's actually easier to defend a wall than a cave or rathole. But offline with platform saddles etc it's 3asier to defend a cave

[open river]

well in ark 2 i hope platform saddles arent as goofy

if tunneling is still possible then wildcard has failed us

[blissful perch]

It’s a map design thing - the rat holes themselves are ugly. I think that can be fixed 🙂

[blissful perch]

Old ark before cryos and breeding was more favorable to open bases. Imo it’s hard to say which specific thing forced people into caves exclusively

Your best platform tames used to only have 50k hp back then 😅. Less soaking potential

[open river]

yeah ik, ark bases from like 2015-16 are basically all open bases, hope ark 2 brings this back by nerfing caves and fixing things that shouldnt exist like tunneling and op lines

[winged dome]

If they were intentionally designed as Ratholes, then yeah. PvPers still gonna build like garbage in them though 😂
And then unintentional Ratholes are the worst of the worst 🤢

[split dove]

titans didn't really help with it either

[blissful perch]

Agree here - building will be ugly lol. But I want ark 2 to have intentional, well designed ratholes that look like…real hiding holes rather than mildly exploity places lol

[winged dome]

I can get behind that

Some of the caves in Ark1 Story maps look amazing

[blissful perch]

I think if ark 2 is gonna have ark 1 style official PvP? They better lean into it and accept that solos/duos need to operate out of the open in small secluded areas

[untold ingot]

The point of ratholes is that they are hidden, make them look nice defeats the purpose

[ripe cedar]

Well no most ratholes are ugly because they are unintended

[untold ingot]

The ones that are still around are for the most part intended

[velvet dirge]

yeah although I understand why pokemon errr I mean cryos are a thing (performance...) I do hope they release at least a pvp cluster without them. I just can't play cave anymore... Buff defenses/create some new ones but for the love of god let us live on the WORLD and have walls, towers that are effective and not 10 hours raiding or defending a rathellhole

[mint swan]

Agreed. I miss being able to live and see the sky’s in my base

[nova sonnet]

I miss waking up to any base at all.

i want to wake up from my sleep in my rathole rather than my bedroom

just me, my capped teksuit, and the thundering drums of war outside my rad radthole (they would come to fear me within minutes)

[blissful perch]

I think you’re missing the point. Nice here means “smooth textures and basic graphical detail”, especially on the interior (which you wouldn’t see from outside anyway). The entrances don’t need neon highway signs

[blissful perch]

I think the reality is “were unintended?” I feel like they’re an artifact of mistakes in map design, but WC noticed them and chose to keep them rather than remove them is my understanding

[untold ingot]

I'll concede that

[marsh timber]

😔

[harsh spear]

its weird to me that they decided to remove ratholes and make some caves unbuildable. but some stayed buildable while even having artifcats in them.

its like they started something good and stopped halfway

[untold ingot]

They didn't remove ratholes, and they didn't make caves unbuildable

[harsh spear]

they did. every map had ratholes and they removed 90% of them

[untold ingot]

They removed mesh spots.

Those are different from ratholes

[harsh spear]

i know cuz i always played during release times and there always were many strong ratholes.

not all of them are mesh spots. as long as they are considered strong , them get removed

but most of them arent even as strong as most caves are

[untold ingot]

There are still a number of really strong ratholes

[harsh spear]

i dont think so. which one do you think is strong ?

[untold ingot]

There is a really strong one on lost island, one on ab for starters

[harsh spear]

pls make all ratholes and caves unbuildable for asa pvp.

[stray elm]

That's if ASA has PvP.

I kid.

[harsh spear]

its always a huge imbalance for whoever gets it first. exclusive ressources, artifacts and best base defence while also having tons of space for breeding. its extremly difficult to compete against a fleshed out cave.

[south lance]

i mostly just care about the breeding tbh

cant interact with other players without being in their tribe or having dinos with a couple tens to hundred hours behind them

[untold ingot]

Pvp in ark is raiding. And yes you can successfully raid any location in the game

Unless they majorly nerf dinos I don't see cave building and ratholes going away. For ark2 sure

[blissful perch]

whispers mutations

For cave building and ratholes, you just need to nerf their capacity for breeding and they’re fine. You’d then be trading security for the space you need for breeding or other affairs. Although I’d hope to see more done in ark 2 to promote open bases

[south lance]

or you just find a friend to get you the dinos you need

[tropic forge]

i do hope they learn their lesson and actually separate pvp from pve rules and nerfs, to each one to their mode of playing

[gusty ermine]

Soo do y’all think Ark ASA will be delayed or not?

[tropic forge]

too early for that but sharing a drop and a tree dosent promise much

[winged dome]

Woah woah

Don't forget the smithy, cooking pot, and sleeping bag!

[tropic forge]

ho right forgot those

they better start sharing dino updates cause structures only aint enough to feed plus some scenarios of map and caves would be nice too

[thick tulip]

never forget the almighty cooking pot...teller of events...

[untold ingot]

When would they have learned that?

[nova sonnet]

wait

for the PVP PLAYERS in here

has anyone ever built in the elemental vault cave on abb?

an actual base with a wall and stuff, not just a tp for the artifact

[tropic crag]

That has nothing to do with Ark 2 lmao

[astral token]

[winged dome]

I'd imagine the constant radiation would get annoying after a while, and make breeding difficult

Plus, one of the few progression required caves where you can't get the Artifact on an easier map for Ascension - and one of the easiest Ascension bosses to do would make it a pretty big target

[nova sonnet]

rules are meant to be broken

[thick tulip]

Thats the exact opposite of what rules are meant for lol

[tropic crag]

I bet the mods would think differently

[tropic crag]

Tek forcefield makes the radiation go away, so kinda but not really

[winged dome]

Oh, does it? I thought that was just S+

Shows how much Vanilla I play 😂

[nova sonnet]

punished for an innocent discussion 😢

[tropic crag]

A discussion that no less breaks the rules...

[nova sonnet]

anything in rad zone is cancer to raid

[tropic crag]

Maybe read em some time

[nova sonnet]

a proper cave with a proper wall judt makes you want to pull ur tongue out through ur neck

[nova sonnet]

we’ve been talking here for ages

what difference does it make

SO THATS WHY I THINK ARK 2 will ne successful

now you cant do anything to me

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, the classic "in Ark 2" move

[desert swallow]

valid until 2033

[winged dome]

To be fair, most of this discussion is vaguely pertaining to Ark2/Ark Asc until Bee or some other mod threatens to wap us with a rolled up newspaper

[tropic crag]

I forget the part where asking if people built somewhere on a game that isn't released was a thing, but w/e lol

[winged dome]

Average Ark Chatter moment 😂

[untold ingot]

No, because that cave would be terrible to defend lol. It's 6x damage and there is no decent defensible position

[untold ingot]

You don't breed in the radiation, you have a second base for breeding

[winged dome]

But radiation gives the best chances for mutations. How else am I going to assemble the X-Manas?

[tropic crag]

It would be kinda funny if that were true, would make the maps with radiation more valuable

[winged dome]

Weather/environment affected breeding could be interesting, but I remember how Atlas tried it and overall is was just a hassle

[blissful perch]

It winds up being 1.) a waiting game and 2.) restricts where people build so they just clog all the spots

I’m ok with stuff perhaps making it a bit tougher to breed, but impossible winds up being what I said above

[winged dome]

Yeah, neat concept but could be awful if not done well or causes too much frustration

[blissful perch]

I’d rather have some sort of “breeding ritual”. For example you need to bring a certain creature drop to start the process

[winged dome]

🤔 Like a penguin pebble 😂

[stray elm]

That'd be interesting for more Apex predators breeding

Maybe a male and female rex have to go out hunting together to build up a 'bond' bar before being able to breed.

As if I recall right, there's talks of rexes being social animals.

[ripe marsh]

It's extremely likely considering all the factors

[tropic forge]

🍿

[winged dome]

Building tease looks awesome, love the overall style and hope the paints are customizeable

[ripe cedar]

i would say yes to that

[cinder solar]

There is a fucking parasaur in the teaser!!!!

[ripe cedar]

because ark 1 had very customizable painting for the most part

[cinder solar]

And it's the same size of not bigger than stego👀

[winged dome]

Ikr? Beeg Para, or smol Steg

[winged dome]

On canvases/signs, yeah. Most other structures were limited to just a couple paint zones

[ripe cedar]

it would be awful to paint stuctures if it wasnt color regions

i guess have an option for either

but if i had to choose one it would be regions

[winged dome]

Some sort of combination could be possible. Maybe for example we have a wall - paint regions could include base wall color, borders, accents, decorative flairs, ect - and each one could have a couple of drop downs for general sub-styles (Primal, Survivor, Family, ect)

Kinda like how most games have character customization tattoo prefabs

I dunno if I'm explaining that well

[tropic crag]

You could free paint structures, wat

Some structures were unpaintable period, though, something I hope to see fixed in ASA (looking at you, majority of the tek tier * shakes fist *)

[winged dome]

I thought the only free paintings were on canvases, war maps, signs, and billboards? Everything else was just zones (if they worked)

Like you couldn't free paint doodle a wall

[tropic crag]

You can, you can free paint dinos, saddles, anything you can normally paint

You can paint yourself, even, but only free paint

Unless you count hair dying I guess

[winged dome]

Free paint saddles? Those just have regions 🤔

[untold ingot]

So that isn't a new Dino laying down is it?

[split dove]

No, it's just a parasaur Raq

[untold ingot]

Did they already showcase that? I don't recall

[split dove]

No, at most as a part of the cave paintings in the teasers.

[untold ingot]

So it is a new Dino then

[split dove]

Yeah, also looks to be bigger than the Ark 1 Para comparing it to the ark 2 stego next to it

[untold ingot]

There isn't much detail to go off of though

But it's nice to see parasuars show up again

[winged dome]

Sitasauropholus

Dino emotes soft confirmed?

[untold ingot]

Could be pretty cool

The more animations we get the better the game will feel

[worldly garden]

👀

[blissful perch]

it would be cool to have actual "resting" dinosaur poses as well, although I know that isn't the focus of the image

[blissful grotto]

Why not just update the first game?

[astral token]

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 is a sequel to Ark 1, unless you're referring to Ark Survival Ascended. If so, Ark Survival Evolved is super outdated and they are doing an overhaul with upgrades on a new engine, for those that do not want to purchase/play Ark 2. The downside is that it is for new gen consoles only, but most games are doing that now anyway as older consoles are becoming obsolete.

[winged dome]

That awk moment when they are 😂

[verbal wind]

in some ways Ark never got out of alpha playtest

[nova sonnet]

add the elytra 🧌

[worldly garden]

They are updating it. 🤣 but if you mean actually update ASE, why do people insist on new updates on an aging engine?

[blissful perch]

Because it’s free GP

Remember - content should be endless and free

[prisma pike]

Poorness

I need me another 100 gb update

[astral token]

💀

[mint swan]

You mean that parasaur chillin there?

[blissful perch]

And the ankys

[vapid panther]

The size comparisons of the dinos was interesting. Maybe the smaller stego is a juvenile?

[untold ingot]

You mean the wingsuit that is already in?

[split dove]

Could be, parasaur could also just be larger in general in Ark 2 compared to Ark 1

[nova sonnet]

no, ELYTRA

[untold ingot]

You know that repeating a word does not clarify what you mean

[worldly garden]

Wingsuit > ELYTRA

[nova sonnet]

UR NOT REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[untold ingot]

Because ark >> minecraft

[mint swan]

Exactly

Ark is better than minecraft

[scenic pumice]

hey

[pearl haven]

sick

[silent sable]

I would love to see ARK 2 without any tek, at the time of its release

[winged dome]

Well, good news. Ark2 is going to be mostly non-Tek

Devs hinted at environmental Tek, I suspect maybe as scrap or story significance but not as actual gameplay

[split dove]

Gameplay wise we're getting a Tek scrap tier, hopefully just non functional fancy metal tier

[tropic forge]

i do hope there's more variant of the structures cause you cant build those buildings whit only those that are show on pic

[blissful perch]

Rocket jumping > wing suits. It’s the circle of life

[winged dome]

Probably are, these are likely just examples of the basic building pieces. I do wonder if pieces with multiple variants (different angled roofs or pillars) are their own separate item, or can be toggled/snapped dynamically from the base piece

[tropic forge]

i like the bend shape of the roof, so tired of boxes or triangle roof shapes

[winged dome]

Yeah, more variety is always nice from a creative standpoint. I was hoping for more of a Valheim building style (few number individual pieces, but can rotate and angle them a lot more freely)

[royal patio]

hi

[ocean tendon]

pls no fake snap points

[mint swan]

free ark 2 download

[thick tulip]

👆 Since we're all dreaming, I want $5 billion lol

[blissful perch]

Endless and free for all content. Nice try tho

Not free? Is scam

[mint swan]

free ark 2 download [NO FAKE]: before you can download it: you have to try one of these APPS:

[blissful perch]

Tomorrow

[rare heart]

Right now

[thick tulip]

no such thing as ark 2

jk, i am ark 2

[tropic forge]

maybe you get luck and get those skins plus land purchase and mount so no need to tame anymore

[wary reef]

[astral token]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

Basically this chat nowadays

[south lance]

hot and crazy suggestion

[ripe cedar]

well what else is there to do when we have already talked about most official sources to death at this point.

maybe a little troller perhaps combined with completely oblivious people who know nothing about the game

it baffles me that people on the forums still think its a singleplayer narrative game but hopefully when the gameplay trailer/ game comes out any of that nonsense will never show up again and I can finally have peace

[astral token]

Peace? It's a rare commodity in such times

[wary reef]

Peace was never an option, just an illusion

[smoky crater]

Is ark 2 rlly releasing this yr?

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 is releasing in 2024. Ark Survival Ascended is releasing in August of this year.

[smoky crater]

Uhm so what does ark survival ascended do is it an add on or??

[fallow niche]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

[idle scaffold]

does it cost money?

[fallow niche]

See links above.

[worldly garden]

In terms of the "package and costs" only refer to the second link.

[ripe cedar]

You could just say $60 instead of read the link, its not like the question is very complicated and just giving a direct answer is easier for both parties right?

[smoky crater]

So ASA is an early gameplay of ark 2?

[ripe cedar]

No

It is a remaster of the original ark survival evolved

It will have new content in the form of new creatures improvements to gameplay and also new dlcs down the line

[smoky crater]

Oh so ASE but more detailed?

[ripe cedar]

Yes

[smoky crater]

Oki

[ripe cedar]

And will have its own dlc and creatures eventually

[smoky crater]

Oh ok that’s cool I might get it

[ripe cedar]

You will be able to buy it for $60 later this year which will include every ark survival evolved dlc as a part of the purchase, asa is for people that dont want the more radical changes ark 2 is bringing while still wanting an upgrade to ue5

[smoky crater]

So there’s more customisation for ark 2 i hope?

[ripe cedar]

We have no primary source on that but yeah from what the devs are hinting it should have great customization

Asa will also have improvements in that department im sure but not to the extent of ark 2 im guessing

Could be wrong though i dont work for wildcard

[smoky crater]

Oh hmm

So the grey orc ppl are enemies?

[ripe cedar]

They will be in ark 2 not ASA but yeah, they will have their own tames as well to fight you with

Obviously wild dinos and other players will also be enemies

[smoky crater]

Do u think they will have campsites that would be cool

[ripe cedar]

We don’t know for sure they may be nomadic and not have formal bases or they could have their own bases that they primarily live in we really have no idea

Most ark 2 questions will be answered with we dont really know for sure

[smoky crater]

Ooo that would be cool tbh

[ripe cedar]

We still know so little about it

[smoky crater]

Yh true

Soz if I’m asking to many questions I’m just new to ark

[ripe cedar]

No its fine with me, i have nothing better to do than answer them right now

[smoky crater]

Wanna play asa rn?

[ripe cedar]

Its not out yet

[smoky crater]

Oh soz I meant ase

[tropic forge]

understand now why she post the link?

[ripe cedar]

First of all, i uninstalled it, second are you even on pc? Third if i was at my computer i would have better things to do than answer random ark questions

Wrong reply

Oops

[tropic forge]

lol

[ripe cedar]

Dammit bring in more noobs

I need to answer more random questions

[smoky crater]

Oh uhm I can ask more ig

[ripe cedar]

Lol

[smoky crater]

So have they said what time they’re releasing ark 2 in 2024?

[ripe cedar]

I think just late 2024 so definitely not the first half of the year, hopefully we will actually see gameplay in that time though

[tropic forge]

wasent by the end of 2024?

[smoky crater]

Hmm

[ripe cedar]

I meant not the first half

Ok there

Hopefully ASA servers will be stable enough to keep my attention for a while

[tropic forge]

btw green no need to rush whit info of ark 2 if youre planning of play it on PS

[ripe cedar]

Oh yeah thats true

[smoky crater]

Wdym?

[ripe cedar]

Probably wont be on ps5 until at least a year after initial release, i mean thats how it was for ark 1 at least

[smoky crater]

So only on ps5 not the ps4?

[ripe cedar]

Oh yeah if you have a ps4 you wont even be able to get ASA the whole point is that it is a next gen remaster

[tropic forge]

no its not confirm for ps yet probably due to time exclusive to microsoft deal

[smoky crater]

But will u get ark 2 on ps4?

[ripe cedar]

It will definitely go to ps eventually

[tropic forge]

ASA and ark2 for nex gen only

[ripe cedar]

No it would be ps5 minimum

[topaz shuttle]

Can someone pull up 1559

[smoky crater]

Aww

[topaz shuttle]

Gen 2

Fish cube

[ripe cedar]

Ps4 is 10 years old

Its hard to support hardware that old

[smoky crater]

Oop yh

[ripe cedar]

With a game like this

[smoky crater]

Alr I understand bc ark 2 will be a rlly good game

Do u think there’s gonna be more Dino’s in ark 2 tho?

[wanton pike]

Let’s hope it will… might be abandoned by our beloved publisher👀

[tropic forge]

damn i really wanna ask dollie a couple of question but even if she was able to reply now pretty sure she cant for the questions i have for ASA, not so sure i gonna buy it until their answer since they really major affect gameplay

[smoky crater]

Wait can we cross platform play ark with each other?

ASE

???

[ripe cedar]

Not ase

But asa you should be able to

[smoky crater]

Oh oki

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, let me abandon the one franchise that earns me any sort of income, very good

These people sometimes, man...

[ripe cedar]

[ripe marsh]

I hope not

[ripe cedar]

Yeah what even are dinosaurs, they are just stupid an dead why should they be in the game

[smoky crater]

Wdym the whole game is based on dinosaurs

[ripe cedar]

It means that the other guy made a stupid comment so i responded with an even stupider one

[smoky crater]

Lol

[ripe marsh]

I think you misunderstood what I said

[ripe cedar]

Do you mean total amount of dinos

[ripe marsh]

yes

[ripe cedar]

At launch most likely no

Really gonna depends on what they do with dlc

[smoky crater]

I hope there’s more passive Dino’s tho

[ripe marsh]

I'd rather less overall

quality over quantity sort of thing

[smoky crater]

That would be boring tbh…

[ripe marsh]

I don't get the whole tame this one creature for this one purpose and never use them again

[ripe cedar]

I mean yeah would be nice if each dino had some sort of usage but i mean thats never gonna happen people will min max the 5 best dinos and just use those

[ripe marsh]

hate that fr

[smoky crater]

What’s ur guys fav Dinosaur?

[ripe marsh]

Theri

[tropic crag]

As in, real life dino, or Ark "dino"?

[ripe cedar]

Spino and or megatherium

[smoky crater]

Ark

[tropic crag]

Ok then easily reapers

[ripe cedar]

Fav ark creature is rock drake

[tropic crag]

Fingers crossed they make it into Ark 2, seeing as how Dollie also is a reaper fan and has said she'd try to get them in 😂

[smoky crater]

Hmm k

[tropic forge]

reaper

[smoky crater]

Mines prob parasaur bc they can sense ig and it’s my first tame I’ve got

I’ve js got one more question

[ripe cedar]

Shoot

[smoky crater]

What’s the most powerful dino?

[tropic forge]

depends of the map

[ripe cedar]

For raw dps?

[smoky crater]

K

Uhm for ASE

[ripe cedar]

The dino that is best at doing what?

[smoky crater]

Like the most overpowered that can beat anything?

???

[tropic crag]

Kinda hard to say, not any one singular thing can really beat all the other creatures without fail, unless you mean like just letting the AI go at it youtube video style, in which case that'd probably be the King Titan lol

[smoky crater]

Spino or T rex?

[tropic crag]

That also depends on many factors, lol. Ridden, or AI? Saddles, or none? Water buff (for spino), or not? Biped stance (also spino), or not? It's not really all that cut and dry

But in most cases, spino

[smoky crater]

Alr

[tropic crag]

Easily more powerful and definitely faster

With water buff and stances

[smoky crater]

So spino is superior

[tropic crag]

Generally yes

[ripe cedar]

Do keep in mit does have less than 2/3 the hp of a rex though

So for survivability rex may be superior

[tropic crag]

True, but with the spino tlc and in most cases the spino wins, not too sure about the AI controlled spino though lol they change stance a lot for no reason it seems

[smoky crater]

What would win tho with max stats?

[tropic crag]

If you mean like max mutations on every stat plus earned levels into melee and max wild stats combined into the line beforehand, hard to say, idk the scaling for each dino in comparison off the top of my head 😅

[crisp heron]

anyone looking for tribemember or just simply wanna start together on any official/pvp realm? 🙂 (PC)

[ripe cedar]

I would probably hold off on looking for ark 2 tribe mates for a while

[crisp heron]

thanks PersonL, am not looking for ark 2

more for the current ark 😉

[ripe cedar]

Did you read the channel name then?

[fallow niche]

@crisp heron #735196255483068497

[crisp heron]

apologies! for missing that

am a discord newbie

[tropic forge]

that join discord since 2016?

[tropic crag]

💀

[ripe cedar]

I mean tbh if you had looked a little deeper you would notice that he only joined this server today so that is what he was referring to, still his fault for not reading channel names though

[tropic forge]

if you wanna look that way sure

[ripe cedar]

Clearly is what he is referring to

[untold ingot]

Ridden a spino is vastly superior due to faster speed, better maneuverability and better dps. Unridden a Rex is better dps and maneuver. It's a use case thing.

[smoky crater]

Oh alr

[blissful perch]

Couldn’t agree more. In fact it’s the underlying argument for #oceanDLC

[ripe marsh]

🤝 #oceanDLC

[mint swan]

Will ark2 only be pve?

[ripe cedar]

No

[junior spade]

Oh man an ocean dlc would be amazing

[harsh spear]

i mean genesis 1 ocean was beautiful, but the fps are really bad.

[blissful perch]

I always agree it’s time for an ocean DLC - though it’s for ark 2 not ASA that I’d like to see it

[tropic crag]

I mean, I'd be fine seeing one on both lol

Gives ASA a reason to have water tames

[blissful perch]

I can live with ASA having a wide variety of biomes for the last DLC. But my ark 2 stance is firmer 😅

[verbal wind]

gen 1 ocean was annoying. i remember at launch being constantly targeted by parakeet fish swarms

and there's so few places to build a base

especially since you're not allowed to use flyers or use a tek suit

[harsh spear]

bloodstalker works well. but yea ocean biome doesnt really have good base locations. only the underwater cave is decent

[tropic crag]

Y'all are joking right

[thick tulip]

ikr all im hearing is a lack of creativity lol

[tropic forge]

really depends on which mode youre talking about, for pve as tons of places to build even more whit the ocean platf

[verbal wind]

ocean platform is expensive

i found 1 place that makes for a good base location without it, allowing you to build a decent size home at the water level and have a decent amount of dry land

[tropic forge]

i made a base whitout land or ocean platf and found couple more just like mine then you have caves etc, btw a ocean platf aint that expensive

[verbal wind]

it is when you make the mistake of starting fresh on the map

[untold ingot]

If ocean Plat is expensive, you are farming wrong 😅

[serene onyx]

Ofc its expensive when you’re a fresh spawn 🤣 you have literally nothing

[verbal wind]

that's why I was looking to find a nice flat spot to build a wooden base to start with

[tropic forge]

guess you dont know the foundation trick

[untold ingot]

I am the foundation trick

I am going to be voted president of the hegemony, and my first law passed will be that potatoes cannot run for office

[thick tulip]

apartheid against potatoes? lol

[mint swan]

Who tryna play sum ark

[tropic crag]

Seeing as how Ark 2 isn't out yet, nobody, in this channel 😂

[gusty ermine]

I’m just waiting for ark ASA

Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed

[wanton pike]

I’m just hoping that before ark 2 releases, wildcard will cut ties with snail games 😁

Also I hope that when they will and if they will introduce more advanced up until futuristic stuff in to ark 2, that they exclude it from the first map that’s primarily focused on primitive gameplay.

[astral token]

Already confirmed

[astral token]

Highly unlikely

[ripe cedar]

Wait what are you responding to for each reply? Because it is the same message but the responses widely contrast each other

[tropic crag]

Looks like two separate messages to me

[ripe cedar]

That is true

I guess im starting to regret that lobotomy i got the other day

[tropic crag]

I was actually trying to articulate how to reply to Dutch's messages, but I couldn't quite process one for either message so I gave up lol

More or less though Ar0y is right about the second one, I'd say

Maybe post release, Microsoft will see how they did/do, and pick them up? I hope?

[wanton pike]

Yh I think so too but I do hope so hahah

[wanton pike]

Oh I missed that. Well that sounds great!

[untold ingot]

Hope not lol. I don't really want Microsoft getting its hands on ark

The best hands for wc to be in are its own

[wanton pike]

Don’t think they can financially.

Maybe Amazon? Idk lol

They weren’t so cash grabby with New World except with emotes and cosmetics, which is fair imo.

As long as it isn’t p2w stuff

[blissful perch]

I suspect that’ll never happen

[tropic crag]

Don't even have to have insider info to know that that'll never happen, lol

[mint swan]

Your opinion is as irrelevant as you claiming a cc was an April fools and thinking everyone else was “brain dead” for believing it

[blissful perch]

If one bad take was enough to damn someone we’d all be in deep trouble

[mint swan]

It wasn’t the fact that it was a bad take. It was the fact he was insulting everyone for believing it, when it was in fact true

[blissful perch]

can’t argue against the fact that the ark community is often fighting for the title of most jaded

[winged dome]

Oh look it this

[mint swan]

You must be his best friend or something because you come meat riding him the second I say anything bad about him😂

[winged dome]

Not really, you just keep bringing up shit that happened nearly two months ago - just drop it and move on

Its just fun to point it out each time - like another tradition 🍻

[mint swan]

I’ll pass, thank you for your recommendation though🍻

[winged dome]

Then the tradition continues!

[mint swan]

Whatever floats your boat

[thick tulip]

Can always tell who plays PvP and who doesn't just from these random chats lol

[sour zenith]

is this shit just pve

[astral token]

Get over it bro 😂

This man made a prediction because he couldn't get over how the crunch was. Now he's got over it. You're still hanging on, clinging with all your might, just let go

[mint swan]

Who are you? Not to sound rude, but just don’t recognize your name

[mint swan]

Also, as I stated above the problem I have wasn’t that he made a wrong prediction, it was the fact he insulted many people for having other opinions

[astral token]

Did you tell Dodomail? Instead of insulting him back

[astral token]

Probably because you’re new

Use the search function built into discord

[stray elm]

That's a dodomail situation

It's there for a reason.
If someone is being an unfunny ass, then report them.

Hell, I some times need to be warned to stop what I'm doing.
Cause I have a issue of 'if you're an ass to me, I'll be an ass to you 2-folds back.'

I admittedly have an issue.
But at least I'm aware of them.

We seriously need a ASA channel, cause this has turned more into a ASA channel then ARK-2 related.

[winged dome]

Someday maybe

[astral token]

August 31st

[tropic forge]

what you expect, ark 2 got delay at least 1 year and half whit ASA suppose to be release in 3 months whit no channel for it

[stray elm]

I expect a new channel for it to be made

[tropic forge]

i remember some moderator saying that was going to ask about it but never see anything else after

[worldly garden]

The #ark-survival-ascended channel will change to the ASA channel, I believe that is the current plan according to Dollie.

[stray elm]

Makes sense.

[blissful perch]

Tbh the two are linked

[worldly garden]

Sever the link! Out with the old in with the new!

[blissful perch]

I mean they’re linked (to me) because they both will contain balance changes and QoL passes

I think ASA will in some ways help define the floor of what’s possible for ark 2

[worldly garden]

I'm still hoping this new ASA 3rd person mode is a test of what ARK 2 will be like in 3rd person. Otherwise i'm not sure the purpose of a new 3rd person in ASA.

[blissful perch]

Ai Pathing, foliage, and building QoL also interest me

[astral token]

The AI pathing is actually pretty good

[blissful perch]

I’m curious about balance too…but I’m aware ASA is meant to have the feel of ark 1 so I’m not too optimistic about anything big

[blissful perch]

In ASE? It’s serviceable

[astral token]

ASA*

[blissful perch]

How would you know? Do you have an early copy 👀

[astral token]

I don’t

But I did get some news, my birds told me, as Varys would say

[blissful perch]

I’m highly suspecting improvements ofc

[next lotus]

Pre sure they just gonna rename the whole discord

[ocean sierra]

I hope they load in structures before creatures, so creatures do not fall thru buildings anymore :p

[dry flame]

I still hope beyond hope that Ark 2 is the proper dance/gacha/farming sim with NFTs that we've all been hoping for.

[ripe marsh]

don't forget the battle pass

[winged dome]

Depending on what's in them, I don't particularly mind battle passes. Something like Sea of Thieves where 90%+ of the season battle pass is free cosmetics/in-game reward currency to buy cosmetics ect is totally fine. Even the paid version is just a couple more cosmetics/bit extra currency. Or DRG where it's completely free and even missed rewards get added into general loot pools/established endgame grinds is totally fine with me

I can definitely see battle passes as a way to build towards new expansion hype, kinda like the mysterious note events done in Ark1

[tropic crag]

When done right, they're... ok. But when done wrong (most of the industry does it this way tbh), they're done VERY wrong

[winged dome]

I think SoT does it the best. Seasons run reasonably long and getting max level is easy to do. Every normal game action gives some progress, and it's not unreasonable to cap the pass in a few days of reasonable playtime

Plus seasons usually come with a theme or significant content update, ranging from a few new mission types or world events to a full blown new campaign or overhauled PvP system

[tropic crag]

I don't play SoT, so idk how that works or looks, but it sounds half decent at least

[vagrant mural]

In fact, as a player who has been playing Ark 1 for 7 years. I would prefer more playability for PVE in Ark 2

I'm thinking when I can officially go live

I'm looking forward to it

[blissful perch]

DRG is super good about it too

[winged dome]

My only critique there is individual levels take a couple missions (a couple hours) each so unless you play a lot then you're probably not getting a ton of levels. But thankfully all the rewards are thrown into the loot pool so nothing is missable

Once you get all the OCs then there's not a ton of incentive to run missions over and over aside 'number go up'

[blissful perch]

The daily season point rewards are pretty solid - as are holiday doubling ones. But I see the point

[south lance]

i wonder if missions will be revamped on asa

[winged dome]

I can't imagine by too much. Maybe some optimization and balancing but overall I'd bet they're probably pretty similar to ASE

[earnest jasper]

Hi friends

[wanton pike]

Hi friend.

[true viper]

Something I'm really looking forward to in Ark II, so far as modding is concerned anyway is repurposing the Orc code for friendly/neutral human NPC's

I hope ASA has the something like that too, or at least the ability to pull it off better than you can in the current kit.

[sonic elbow]

ARK II Battle Pass

Defecate, out your ahh

Booted up my PC,'cuz I need need

To get that ARK II Battle Pass

[blissful perch]

I’m interested in this…but I also hope it stays firmly in modding. I don’t want to have human friendly NPCs competing with the creatures that make ark unique

[winged dome]

Agreed. Framework for modding is fine, but imo Aratai should remain hostile

[thick tulip]

sounds like the thrall system from Conan, ~~aka slavery ~~

never ends well lol

[blissful perch]

I see the issue as theme based rather than anything else

The entire appeal of ark - what makes it unique and remarkable…is tied to creatures and tames. When you introduce generalist complex friendly AIs (such as tamed humanoids), you cheapen the intrinsic value of tames and risk harming the appeal of the ark series

[ripe cedar]

and having other players as human slaves is way more fun than npcs

[blissful perch]

I’m also very shaky on promoting things that incentivize solo rather than group/coop play

[mint swan]

Is ark ascended different than ark 2? (Stupid question probably sorry)

[winged dome]

Ark Ascended is a remake of Ark Survival Evolved in UE5, all current DLCs bundled with new creature(s) on every map, new features, and QoL updates - as well as at least one new DLC to be revealed

[verbal wind]

asa is a remaster, ark 2 is a sequel

[winged dome]

More than a remaster, imo. Remaster would just be UE5 upgrade

[left arch]

It's a remake

But that's just semantics

[untold ingot]

The issue is its things like that that made Conan be an 18+ game. And that does hurt games audiences

[untold ingot]

A Ue5 upgrade would be a port. Asa is a remaster

There is a lot that made Conan 18+

It's casual slavery is definitely part

It would if the other stuff wasn't there

Maybe. But it still doesn't really appeal to a general audience

[tropic crag]

Elite Dangerous has slavery and political sabotage and murder and such, and it's E10+... hmmmmmmmm... lol

[winged dome]

Port is Mobile/Switch

[tropic crag]

ASA is a remake, no more no less

[long nova]

this is not ark 2 but can anyone answer this
my max level for creatures is 180, what are the amount of level values can creatures be
how do i do the math for that

[harsh spear]

you can use dododex for taming. for leveling purposes creatures can be lvled up 73 times or 88 for X / R variants.

and the absolute max level a creature can be ( through mutation breeding ) is 450

theoretically it can be higher but as soon as you cryopod a creature above 450 you can no longer uncryo it and after a server reset all creatures above 450 get deleted automatically

[tropic crag]

That's only for official, and last I checked is definitely not something for Ark 2 still...

[untold ingot]

Yes, and if all they were doing for Asa was porting the game to Ue5, it would be a port, not a remaster

[tropic forge]

A video game remaster is a lesser undertaking than a remake – it uses largely the same game code but greatly enhances the visuals by adding various graphical effects, and increasing resolution and performance by taking advantage of modern hardware.

by definition, what they said ASA will be is more of a remake

[untold ingot]

Their terminology used is remaster

[verbal wind]

with some necessary upgrades

[ripe cedar]

I think Ark 2 may be rated M

I mean ark 2 was rated T i think so if they increased gore fidelity that alone would probably push it

[dry flame]

They'll probably wanna keep it to a T to have a larger potential audience. Conan Exiles' M rating pretty much damned it to also-ran status when the game itself is much better than that.

[ripe cedar]

Well steamdb says ark 2 has adult content = true so doesnt that mean it would probably be M

Well i assume the has mature content tag means the thing where you need to put your age comes up so probably will be

[blissful perch]

I see it more as a could be M

The trailer certainly had more blood than ark 1 did

[blissful perch]

COD has an M rating and seems to be working ok. It boils down to it being worth it…and imo ark’s audience being primarily Highschool/college age kids and older means an M rating would put it squarely in the “ok”

If the audience overlap was more with minecraft tho…where kids are a HUGE audience? M would be worrisome imo

[ripe cedar]

Ah man i guess if ark 1 wasnt m that means for a fact that ark 2 wont be, but can you explain why ark 1 steam db doesnt have the has adult content info.

[ripe cedar]

Ok, you want proof, it has vin diesel in it, so yeah probably will be rated M

[fallow niche]

But The Pacifier has Vin in it too and is PG 😂😂

[mint swan]

Do people actually pay attention to ratings on games? I’ve never paid attention, even as a kid so wonder how popular it is to actually look at that when deciding to play a game or not

[serene onyx]

Some people do including myself

Especially on the games that are expensive

[astral token]

Even as a kid my parents bought me all the wrong age rated games

Rating matters, especially for children

[split dove]

screw them kids, another one is born every minute 🚬

[astral token]

[tropic crag]

Judging by the amount of children found playing literally any CoD and most other M games such as GTA 5, I can safely say that no, most people don't give two shits about the rating on the game lol. If anything, an M rating makes kids want the game more than usual 😂

[astral token]

My parents always let it slide unless nudity was involved

Until I was around 16 then I had free reign

[fallow niche]

let's find a new topic

[astral token]

🔍

[untold ingot]

I mean, I want to play ark2 with my family. If it is an m rating, I'll stick with asa

Just for the rating

[mint swan]

Fair enough, guess it depends on parents. Mine didn’t care much about rating on games unless it contained nudity

[desert swallow]

My parents didn't let me play Ms Pacman. Pacman was ok though.

[thick moat]

What are we expecting tonight?

[untold ingot]

I would love to see the crops improved

[verbal wind]

i've said before, I would love to see crop berry bushes have different models

[untold ingot]

I've gone full pve recently and I want to plant something other than corn, carrots and potatoes lol

[verbal wind]

all my greenhouses have looked so dull

on the inside anyway

i should be able to make a garden or a shrubbery perhaps two shrubberies, one set a little higher with a path going down the middle

[winged dome]

Lemons! Citronol!

Or those yummy meat plants

[untold ingot]

Yes, when I want to plant pumpkins I'll plant a tentacle

[blissful perch]

I’d like the various crops to DO a bit more than act as a spoilable crafting ingredient

Free planting would also be amazing. Right now it’s so mid to plant outside, but it would be cool to have the feeling of actual agriculture rather than extremely confined hyper intensive greenhouses

[desert swallow]

We could put them in a box and you'd get hexagon points when you wake up in the morning. Some days you'll get a letter from mom with maybe a cake inside.

[blissful perch]

It would be cool to have a mail service, maybe a building off of the gasbags balloon stuff

[untold ingot]

There has to be a way to do this

[harsh spear]

i think for ark 2 taming should be more realistic. this whole , i make you sleep and then youre mine, is outdated.

Equu taming is the most realistic

[tropic forge]

tell us how realistic is to tame a dino, something that dosent exist for millions of years

[livid depot]

i think eggs found in the wild should be fertile and hatcable

[kind sphinx]

I think you should shut up

Jk

[tropic forge]

actually that aint a bad idea as for "taming", kill the mother get her egg/s hatch them and raise them but theres a problem whit that, im not seeing that manageable in multiplayer due to a couple of very basic reasons

[winged dome]

Why not? Theres a handful of egg-only tames in Ark1 and it works decently enough

[verbal wind]

a couple mods added wild eggs/babies for all dinos

[untold ingot]

I would recommend checking out the immersive taming mod. Between that, baby dinos, and eggs, I really think we would have a way better base taming method

But for baby dinos and eggs to work for normal stuff, the ai would need to be better to make it so not everyone cavln get a giga 5 minutes in

[verbal wind]

KBD also had it, and The Hunted made it so babies and eggs are the only way to tame things

[tropic forge]

can you imagen those so call "egg-only tames" being for all creatures, how in the hell wc could fit on the island or even if we talking about ark 2 having 15 species alone the map had to be huge to have a section of nests for each creature

[rancid harness]

If it were me I'd have locations be generalized, like "low tier herbivore nest" where it would be populated by a random dino from the pool of possible dinos, and would change every 15 mins or so. That way you could get any dino from the pool in one location, and it'd still be worth checking out multiple times for new chances at different tames. Kind of like Monster Hunter Stories.

That mechanic would facilitate migration of species, as well as change in the ecosystem and wildlife interactions playing around you.

[harsh spear]

you make dynamic nests. ( like beaver dams )

but egg only seems boring

[deft saddle]

Herbivores being passive tamed and carnivores being stolen from eggs and imprinted makes sense to me

Or just diversify the taming methods based on the dino

But that would take a long time

Guess smaller carnivores like compys or troodons could be passive tamed too

[tropic forge]

you guys dont get it, in single player having random nests spawning is fine but on multiplayer it dosent work, think about it, i speak from experience of official servers, theres more ppl whit bad intentions than rather good or even neutral, i lost count of how many drake eggs i had to risk to catch mid air cause some smart person found funny to drop them mid air so the nests would stop spawning eggs, wyverns same thing (cant even imagen how it is for pvp) than you have lvl stats etc, if nests are random spawn its possible to almost extinct a server of nests for a while until wc does something on that server, i like the idea and even makes more sense to start having tames by raising them rather k.o. them but in practice online that aint easy to manage on a free build game, theres a reason why wc started to make no building zones not sure about pvp but on pve that happen, how many "genius" decide they own a obelisk all to themselves or putting doors on caves so on, for that nest idea to work at least on official wc had to have real customer support not someone copying/pasting reply's and maybe in 2 months they decide to go to your server for 5min only

[tropic crag]

Jesus

[stray matrix]

Today

[astral token]

What about today?

[verbal wind]

easy enough to run a wipe of unclaimed eggs

i know Kraken included codes to run that would wipe all eggs now and then

[stray matrix]

Today!

[winged dome]

Easy enough fix with two quick changes. Nests are no longer static locations, and dropped eggs doesn't affect spawn rates

[blissful perch]

It’s true that whatever mechanic is chosen has a high liability for abuse

However…ark 1 also had very abusable mechanics in that regard that could be easily fixed in Asa or ark 2

The hunted’s more procedural nests for example would instantly resolve a lot of the concentrated issues ark 1 nests have

[untold ingot]

Fox does make a good point though. Not to mention that with a pt you could literally tame anything really really early game of it was egg only. That totally would kill the sense of progression

[winged dome]

Getting the egg along might just be the easy part - maybe stronger creatures require more steps for care and successful raising, maybe special dietary needs aside from 'raw meat'

[untold ingot]

Like what other dietary needs?

Ase's only dietary variety comes from eggs.

[winged dome]

Could be special blends of veggies, berries, mushrooms, meats from different sources, or trophy items like Spino Sails or Rex Arms, or any other new items added in Ark2 - the possibilities are endless, but ignoring these requirements will lead to a dead tame

Could also be a training phase for adolescent creatures, they'd start off weak and not always listen to commands but as you continue to ride and perform their primary function (gathering resources for Gatherers, hunting for Combatants, ect) they get better and better until they fully obey

And for stronger Combatants, that phase would only make progress with battling larger creatures. For example, Rexes won't learn much stomping on a Compy

That way, overall progression for getting a strong tame is shifted from 'ez steal egg' to 'oh shit, my young weak Rex needs to hunt some Yuty to prove its dominance and realize its potential'

[blissful perch]

Hunted resolved this by requiring certain nests to incubate eggs (that required killing larger creatures or getting more rare materials). Not to say it can be transferred 1:1 to ASA, but other solutions in that vein would work

You’d get tons of eggs with a PT…but would be unable to hatch them in the early game

[untold ingot]

The hunted worked because everything started at level 1. If that wasn't the case it would be ridiculously easy

Have you played the hunted with varying levels of eggs?

It is trivial, just grindy.

And having babies require a larger variety of foods to survive falls under the same category as to why the removed the original kibble system in the first place

[winged dome]

Notice, I specifically left out eggs as possible ingredients for that exact reason 😂

I definitely don't want a barn/parking lot of dinos solely for a kibble farm

Meat/Trophies can be reliably and realistically obtained from wild creatures. Technically eggs too, but then you're crossing into weird 'need eggs to have eggs' territory and who knows there that'll end. Hopefully just a big omelette

[tropic forge]

that would be extreme bad to had boss trophies to a baby feed table, again in single that aint a problem but when theres 30 ppl raising multiple babies that would end up really bad

[winged dome]

Added competition for trophies means more conflict. More reasons to raid a base for potential supplies/set up a trade deal. Endgame tames should be difficult to get while rewarding to have

And more people out hunting for trophies/training a young tame leaves more opportunities for emergent PvP instead of standing in a base, watching a progress bar go up

[tropic forge]

in pvp then yeh that would be great i can see even more ppl join pvp mode, you gotta see on grand scale when comes to multiplayer unless youre used to dominate an entire server

i cant see anyone that starts fresh on a 4 month old server and able to progress anything in pvp like that

but again im pve guy so what i know

[winged dome]

People with more time or a significant head start will always have a huge advantage - that will never go away

[somber void]

Will Bob be in ark 2

[winged dome]

Yes. Bob lives in our hearts and is therefore always with us

[blissful perch]

It’s trivial and grindy if you mutation stack too 😅. Hunted works best when you only get stats from working with your tame and getting levels

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer stuff like imprints or raising being more involved for this reason

[untold ingot]

I could see this for ark2, not asa

[winged dome]

Yes, thats why I'm suggesting it for Ark2 - I highly doubt anything is going to change with Asc

[untold ingot]

My highest hope is for a balancing of leveling, and fixing the breeding cap

[winged dome]

As far as Ark Asc, I'd be happy with a working cap on mutations. 20/20 max with no stupidly easy way to go around it and cap dinos

[harsh spear]

Id be happy if movement speed isnt a skillable stat.

[thorny totem]

Noooo
That's the best thing in the game lol

[harsh spear]

best thing? it completly breaks it. Pve is no danger. pvp is instant escape out of any situation.

how is that fun ?

a lot of tames are useless because you are just faster than them on feet

[thorny totem]

I dont play pvp, pve im happy i dont get mauled to death as soon as something sees me

[harsh spear]

thats why you use tames ?

[untold ingot]

So you like things to be really easy

[thorny totem]

I put almost all my points into it but animals are faster

[harsh spear]

its also anti new people. if you are slow af compared to others you cant compete with them in pvp at all

[untold ingot]

Not true

[winged dome]

Or at least a much lower cap/increase

Bit of zoomies is alright, but outrunning Raptors is silly

[harsh spear]

na im for 0 ( but higher base speed )

[thorny totem]

Like i said, i dont really pvp
The closest i get to pvp is when i kill my friends.
Im just happy i can get somewhere in a reasonable time frame and dont have to spend my time standing on w for ages

[harsh spear]

if you want to be fast you use tames... if you have movement speed skillable then one side always has the upper hand ( the faster one ). cuz other cant escape but you can escape.

[thorny totem]

Yes, having fast tames like bears is nice
But the ability to be faster (in pve) is so much of a convenience, I can collect my stuff faster, i can tame easier (come at me, a game is not better because its harder), or even just get around my base faster

[harsh spear]

yea right, cuz it makes sense that you can outrun a t-rex and shoot arrows at him

[thorny totem]

I understand why it could be a problem in pvp tho, but its kind of irrelevant for me. If someone is better equipped, ofc he's going to win, no matter the speed. If 2 equally equipped players fight, then again. Its their choice what to level up, something like health is gonna help in a fight just as muck as speed

[untold ingot]

Player speed is not really a problem in pvp. It is a problem in pve

[thorny totem]

yea right, cuz it makes sense that you can take multiple bites form a t-rex and survive
With your logic nothing should be levelable

[blissful perch]

It’s a problem in PvP not for balance reasons but because of issues that may be ASE specific like hitreg

[harsh spear]

you can take multiple bites no matter if you level hp or not. though id agree that scaling should have limits

hp is also broken cuz you can lvl it so high that you survive any falldmg

[winged dome]

Only because fall damage caps for players 😂

[harsh spear]

also for rocket runs tbh

[untold ingot]

Turrets will still shoot a guy running with max speed

Rocket runs are an issue with fast tames, unless you only have like 2 turrets and they have capped flak

[blissful perch]

The issue I refer to is relevant to foot PvP rather than turrets

[untold ingot]

Foot pvp has some issues way more glaring than speed lol

[blissful perch]

That doesn’t mean speed isn’t an issue that can be fixed extremely easily

Cap speed -> resolve some issues -> good choice

[blissful perch]

A problem ark has that idk how to fix is that dying is so miserable late game that the TTK gets absolutely nutty

[harsh spear]

agreed especially if they armor swap

[blissful perch]

Both hp statting and armor are to blame imo

[untold ingot]

Me uses turret, ttk is like 1 second lol

[blissful perch]

Melee TTK is insufferably long…in PvE it’s yet another blow to the balance of power

[untold ingot]

Melee ttk? Why are you trying to melee people in endgame?

[blissful perch]

Most wildlife uses melee?

[untold ingot]

You are talking Dino v Dino?

[blissful perch]

Also…and I won’t complain much because ark 2 seems to be fixing it…but foot melee in ark 1 is horrendous

[blissful perch]

Mostly wild Dino vs player

[untold ingot]

I mean, honestly thst would be fixed by balancing armors

[blissful perch]

Yes. I said the same 😂

[split dove]

what do you mean Shifter! autoclicker/cookie clicker combat is the best form of melee combat

It's so good you fell asleep while fighting a skeletal bronto once after all

[untold ingot]

Reduce the % gain per level on dinos (all stats), cap armor at 2x armor and 3x dura and reduce the damage turrets do and it'll play better

[blissful perch]

Remove % based leveling for Dino’s

Should be a fixed value off the base stat

[untold ingot]

Which is % based if it is based on the base stat

[blissful perch]

The base stat is a fixed value. Current leveling is % of the WILD stat total

The base stat is the same for all rex for example. The amount of hp gained per player rex level should be fixed the same way. It can be different from the gain per wild point, but it should be fixed (not scaled) based on wild stat distribution

[untold ingot]

Uh, current leveling is based on the base stat of the Dino.

[blissful perch]

…player levels are not

[untold ingot]

If you are talking the level 1 stat that's different

[blissful perch]

That’s called the base stat

People incorrectly refer to the hatch stat as the base stat ingame iirc

[untold ingot]

Base stats is what people refer to the stat of a Dino pre imprint pre level

[blissful perch]

Yea, that’s wrong 😅

[untold ingot]

It's the common nomenclature...

[blissful perch]

Likely because nobody refers to the true base stat. If they did, they’d likely call them both base stat

Regardless, I’m referring to the level 0 stat. An hp level inputted by a player should be identical regardless of the number of wild points you have on something

[untold ingot]

I would call it the 0 stat. Because that is different from base stat.

And going of the 0 stat, unless that gets drastically increased, for higher level tames it would make leveling a wasted mechanic

[blissful perch]

I’m going to pretend the development term “base stat” common to every RPG and game with this sort of mechanic doesn’t matter and just go with you. The “0 stat” is fixed, as should player input levels…but that doesn’t mean the input levels need to be extremely low

[untold ingot]

A better fix imo is to reduce the percentage and number of levels that can be added

[blissful perch]

That’s a bandaid at best

[untold ingot]

It's better than a useless leveling mechanic

[blissful perch]

Levels SHOULD scale down in efficacy as you have higher level tames. It’s worth a ton if you have low stats, and is harder to get and worth less at higher levels

[untold ingot]

Basing leveling off the 0 stat would render leveling useless

[blissful perch]

Extremely standard RPG design

[blissful perch]

It’s based on a fixed value like the 0 stat - it can be any value however 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

Taming a level 150 and having it already be maxed out on the time of tame is not standard rpg design

Imo a percentage is a better way to handle it. And it is more common in games to use. It just needs to be balanced better

[blissful perch]

It makes player levels more viable when stats are low, which is good for accessibility. Other changes, like perks, can be a driver for level ups in tames at higher levels

Moving away from stats being the end all of the RPG elements would be an S tier move

[untold ingot]

A mixture of the two would be ideal imo. But that's not going to happen in asa

[blissful perch]

Nah, then again if mutation stacking isn’t fixed tbh the rest of the convo doesn’t matter

At least not to me - since PvE balance will be ruined

[untold ingot]

I do think that stat boosting levels or skills should be included in addition to other perks

[sinful flicker]

when ark 2

[winged dome]

End of 2024

[thorny totem]

When ark 1 remastered

I really fucking hope I don't have to but that thing
I just bought the dlcs

[winged dome]

End of Augustish

[thick tulip]

When Ark Real Life

[dry flame]

When Ark 3

[tropic crag]

When Ark players discover google

[sharp otter]

In asa will there be a way to do some kinda data transfer or something

[winged dome]

Current Official Server saves will be made available for download to host on SP/Unofficial ASE at some point, but there will be no other data transfers available

[sharp otter]

What about on PS5?

Will that be later?

[blissful perch]

there will at no point be data transfer between ASE and ASA

[sharp otter]

Ok

[true fox]

Has anyone heard of the maps will be exactly the same, or if things will be moved around, changed?

In ASA I mean

[winged dome]

Far as we know, should be the same. There might be some tweaks, since Loot Drops are being upgraded - some of the Tek structures might be updated too

[true fox]

I figured they would have to be close since only Island and non canon maps are coming out

[split dove]

at launch it's just gonna be Island and Scorched, then Aberration and the new DLC in Q4 2023, extinction and gen 1 in Q1 2024, Gen 2 Q2 2024 and the free maps later on.

[winged dome]

Hopefully Scorched gets some love. The map meshes are pretty rough in some spots

[mint swan]

I’m intrigued to see what transfers will look like in the beginning. Disabled transfers for a few months between scorched and island, or allowing them right off the bat.

[winged dome]

My guess is full transfers. If you have Ark Asc then you have all the DLCs so no one would be at a disadvantage. Plus all the mechanics are known

Plus maps will be coming out a lot quicker than the original release schedule. One every few months as opposed to one a year or so

[rose bluff]

I’m really hoping the remaster is a considerably smaller file. 155gb for base ark was too much for a game I play solo so I uninstalled for Valheim as my survival fix and Switch Ark isn’t as good as Xbox (no fault to the devs there, it’s a platform limitation thing). I want Ark back on me Xbox! 😂😅

[blissful perch]

My ark file is almost 600GB I think with DLC saves and mods…it’s insane

[nova sonnet]

some pvpers have to buy 500gb ssd just to run their game smoothly

[winged dome]

All that storage space wasted since graphics are ini'd down to MS Paint quality

[short fulcrum]

Hopefully they add the ruins of rockwell manor and other lore related stuff to the island map

[winged dome]

We don't know how much time has passed since the events of the lore notes and our survivors. It could have been thousands of years, so unlikely anything more than the couple ruins we see would survive the ravages of time

[short fulcrum]

Yeah but the ruins on scorched earth are older than rockwells manor and the new legions base and are in way better shape

[winged dome]

Makes sense, deserts are great preservers. But anywhere with consistent rain and lush vegetation or occasional freezing temperatures will break buildings down a lot quicker

Basically, I wouldn't get my hopes up

[short fulcrum]

I know we can't expect everything
But it would be nice to see the island get a complete overhaul

[winged dome]

As far as 'starter maps' go, the Island is pretty great. Only part I think needs attention is making the ocean bigger - none of the Lore Maps have any significant aquatic content aside from Gen1, and even then its only present in one of the biomes

#OceanDLC

[short fulcrum]

An ocean tlc would be perfect for the center
Since the ocean is already deeper on it

[winged dome]

I like the Center, but really hope they get rid of the god awful lightning

[short fulcrum]

Also I wonder if the center, rag and val will get unique bosses in ASA

[short fulcrum]

The lighting will definitely be fixed since the devs are presumably remaking all the maps

[verbal wind]

and the water

the center is gorgeous but the rivers look like cellophane

[tropic forge]

center rivers are fine, some could be just a little deep but i dont see any point of changing their course they are really good infact center is a extreme gorgeous map, never see the last 2 free maps but before those there aint one map whit more detail than center

[verbal wind]

not the rivers that are part of the ocean, i mean like the running water on the mainland areas

they look like plastic wrap

[tropic forge]

ho you mean the grafic on the surface of the rivers

[verbal wind]

yeah

[tropic forge]

well its UE5 that should solve the problem

[verbal wind]

like the one flowing out from the cavern on the floating island

[tropic forge]

its a shame the free maps only come out after all pay dlc, how they release on ark 1 was more balance in my opinion, this way will force everyone on wc maps first and only after gen2 is out they will start to realese the better maps

[verbal wind]

on the plus side we're hopefully only paying 60 for every map included

[tropic forge]

i still have my reservation about buying ASA but i also have a felling ark 2 aint coming out until they release the last 2 new pay dlc cause those 2 aint for free in that price

[verbal wind]

i'm interested in the new story map

[tropic forge]

its 1 or 2 more dlcs?

[verbal wind]

i thought it was just the 1

[stray elm]

Snail stated 1 or 2, but Wildcard has only confirmed one so far

[tropic forge]

so yeah, i dont see then release ark 2 before that or those dlc's and will take at least 3 if not 6 more months after

[verbal wind]

it'll be a while

[winged dome]

With Ark2 coming at the end of 2024 and the first new Ark Asc DLC coming at the end of 2023, I'd expect a second DLC sometime around the middle of 2024 as a holdover

If they choose to

[tropic forge]

wait what? first new dlc for ASA comes before gen2???

[stray elm]

Yep

[winged dome]

Yep, announced in the Ark Asc re-org Crunch

[verbal wind]

most of the dlc has come out in june

[tropic forge]

is date confirm by wc?

[stray elm]

" We plan to release a new canonical-story expansion pack for ARK: Survival Ascended that will be available in Q4 2023. This DLC will feature four new creatures, which we’ll share more details about later this year! "

Q4 2023

[tropic forge]

than its after gen2 not before

[verbal wind]

so it could be december

[tropic forge]

Genesis Part 2 (Released by Q2 2024)

[winged dome]

😐

[stray elm]

Oh wait, you're right.
That's my bad

[tropic forge]

ho wait its 2023

[winged dome]

Preeeeeety sure 2023 is before 2024

[stray elm]

Wait

Nope, that's your bad.
Gen2 is Q2 2024

Actually, it's before Aberration.

[tropic forge]

my bad i only read until Q4 🤣

[stray elm]

Could be before

Ab and the new DLC are releasing around the same quarter of the year.

[tropic forge]

it makes no sense but since you have to paid for that dlc makes sense in terms of cash flow

[stray elm]

Like, they don't 'need' to make it release in correct order.
The DLC could be set whenever, or as a standalone DLC.

[tropic forge]

true can be just a random new map and nothing to due whit after extinction

[stray elm]

I think a lot of people will be disappointed if it isn't Arat-Prime, but we always have DLC-2 if Snail is correct.

[verbal wind]

i'd like to see arat prime

curious how they'd do it and what story is left on earth

maybe a last gasp by the element corruption/titans?

[tropic forge]

like what, right after crash on arat?

[verbal wind]

arat prime is on earth

on the dark side of the planet, opposite the side with Sanctuary

[stray elm]

Aberration shit could easily cause issues in that area.

[tropic forge]

i thought arat prime was that planet on ark 2

[stray elm]

That's just called 'Arat'

Arat-Prime is the launch-site of the Genesis-ship

[tropic forge]

hooo

[verbal wind]

kinda confusing

[stray elm]

Which Aberration (and Rockwell) crashed near.

[verbal wind]

is that confirmed?

[stray elm]

Yes

[verbal wind]

i thought when we saw the cutscene of rockwell laughing ominously it showed a part of the extinction map and lit up in daylight

[stray elm]

Aberration crashed near Arat-Prime, and Rockwell was able to quickly take his calamari ass to the site to upload himself to the ship

[stray elm]

That was Aberration....

Wait, in what scene?

Cause I'm referring to the Extinction alpha ending.

[tropic forge]

think its the end scene of extinction

[verbal wind]

one sec gonna rewatch

[stray elm]

Yeah, that was crashed Aberration

You literally see the purple obelisk, and the transmitters.

[tropic forge]

and same voice of rockwell

[verbal wind]

yeah, it shows crashed aberration

[stray elm]

Correct

[verbal wind]

i meant it showed it in the extinction area

and there are god-rays shining down through the clouds

arat prime is supposed to be on the dark side of earth

[stray elm]

You've ever seen a meteor crash site?

[verbal wind]

meteor crash sites don't have god rays from overhead sun peeking through cloud cover

[stray elm]

The environment isn't going to be pretty.
Now image that, but with something that probably weighs more, and has no form of stabalizing itself crashing down.
That's basically a non radiation-based nuke.

[verbal wind]

there's also still brush

[stray elm]

Brush that looks dead

[verbal wind]

and distinctly not burned

[stray elm]

Yet dead.
Extinction was rushed, you expect it do have that specific of details?

[verbal wind]

either way, the god rays from the sky tell me that's not the dark side of earth

[stray elm]

The trees are also dead

[verbal wind]

there would be no god rays in that case

[stray elm]

'Cause it's post-Earth rotation'

Kris, I don't know why you're debating about this.
Marc confirmed this years ago

[verbal wind]

ok

then the animators screwed up

that's what had me confused

[stray elm]

'Or'
Earth is rotating after the events of the ending, as seen in the same cutscene.
And now morning is showing on the dark-side.

[verbal wind]

that's awfully fast to start a tidally locked planet moving again

but retconning and all that

[stray elm]

Kris.....
We don't know the timeframe of when that section takes place after the original ending.

[verbal wind]

i mean, to me that implies it's roughly the same time

[stray elm]

🤦

[verbal wind]

the crash site is still burning

i'm not debating that it's near arat prime, that was my mistake because the cutscene was misleading

i'm just saying the cutscene was misleading

[blissful perch]

I admire the move for ASA but I’d not be doing my job if I didn’t note my # is for ark 2 😂

[blissful perch]

I think original extinction was also way darker, so maybe that trailer was made before the extinction map was made brighter and “sun scorched” rather than dark

[tropic crag]

The whole point is that the Alpha cutscene isn't in the same area as Extinction 😅

It's near Arat Prime, where Aberration is confirmed as having landed and the issue in question is purely a "why does it look like that" one, to which the answer could be like 50 different things

[verbal wind]

my guess is they had the cutscene made and then retconned around it

[blissful perch]

That’s kinda my feeling lol

I’m extremely interested in ASA extinction. I think it’ll both be the map with the most room for improvement in a remaster AND be a great showcase of OSD creature AI that might preview ark 2 event ai

[untold ingot]

Maybe the new dlc is the ruins of aberration

[still ingot]

Hello

When is the new animal coming out

[untold ingot]

It says in the announcements

[winged dome]

Does it? 🤔

[stray elm]

It does

ARK's 8th anniversary.
Which is June-2nd

[winged dome]

Ah gotcha, back in the Ark Asc update Crunch a while ago - thanks for the reminder

[glass lagoon]

When does ark 2 release?

[winged dome]

End of 2024

[candid tusk]

Hopefully

[winged dome]

Ark Asc is a remake of Ark1 in Unreal Engine 5 and a bunch of new features like crossplay mods. Releasing around late August of 2023

Ark2 is the sequel to Ark, set to release at the end of 2024

What else is there to get lost on?

[stray elm]

Look at the ARK-2 trailers

[winged dome]

No kidding ... seeing as it confirms everything you've asked so far on the Ark1 main menu

[verbal wind]

vin diesel plays santiago

[tropic forge]

check ark 2 steam page

[winged dome]

Ok?

[teal violet]

ark asa would be able on a both consoles generations? like I can play on it either on ps5 or a ps4?

[fallow niche]

PS5 only

[teal violet]

oh Im lucky then, ty

and the official asa servers will be crossplatform?

[ripe marsh]

yes

[ripe cedar]

I mean who knows, may have a couple non crossplay servers just in case

[sharp bloom]

there are already a good amount of games with crossplay on PlayStation

[rancid harness]

It just takes extra work to do full crossplay, so most games don't invest in it.

[rancid harness]

I would imagine this could be the case, especially if cheating runs rampant on a particular platform.

[wanton pike]

I can really see it happen that ASA is going to be a quick cash grab and that snail games is going to take the plug out of ARK 2 😅
I really wouldn’t be surprised at this point tbh

[untold ingot]

I actually doubt that lol. Snail usually is pretty well behaved when it comes to ark. It's kind of the only thing keeping them from dying lol

[blissful perch]

To use that logic - why cash out once when you can cash out twice

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, let me kill the one franchise bringing in any type of inco-

wait, haven't we been through this before? Lol

[split dove]

Begun, the clone topics war has.

[mint swan]

Not this again...

[harsh spear]

are u high ? well behaved? they are literally admin abusing official conquest servers

if theyre doing this in ASA or ARK 2 theyll in fact kill it quickly, official at least.

[mint swan]

Solution. Dont play conquest

[desert swallow]

I've never trusted a snail in my life, and I'm still alive.

[harsh spear]

makes sense that theyre owned by snail, since everything is delayed 🤣

[desert swallow]

And they are slimey

[untold ingot]

Conquest isn't a wildcard owned server. That's my point

[stray elm]

He's right.
Conquest is a Snail-regulated cluster, not Wildcard.

[blissful perch]

Official aside, (although obviously conquest ≠ official), snail has given WC a lot of autonomy over the ark series to our knowledge

Their influence on the game is minimal enough to be qualified as “well behaved” (though I wouldn’t call it as such)

[tropic forge]

ho really, so you dont know who's responsible for the world wide region unlock???

[blissful perch]

was that not WC? Could have sworn that happened pre snail

[loud dragon]

when does Ark 2 come out ping me

[winged dome]

Check Pins

[loud dragon]

ok thanks

[leaden lion]

I cant wait to punch the first dodo i see in ark 2

[winged dome]

[burnt bear]

Anyone know if Ark 2 will be on the game pass for XBox?

[paper coral]

Yes it’s supposed to be a day one game pass release. It’s a timed Xbox exclusive.

[harsh spear]

he said snail is well behaved when it comes to ark. conquest is part of ark official server. and they abusing them. so that statement is simply false. also i know conquest is owned by snail but you dont really have this insight as a regular player , only if you look it up in the internet.

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, no. They are defiantly not well behaved.

Also, I believe Wildcard has stated in their community-crunches with Conquest advertised that it's a 'Snail-Games regulated cluster'

"Conquest servers are being re-introduced for a new season by Snail Games"

So technically, you're correct on needing to look it up on the internet.
But I'd assume avid Conquest players would keep track of CC's to know when the next seasons will drop.

[harsh spear]

i think only the minority is looking at community crunches. so its bad that part of the official servers are corrupted

most dont even know

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, it's still bad.
But the knowledge without needing to do heavy research is there in their CC's.

As bad as this is.
At least TEA isn't part of normal official servers anymore, as they used to be a pretty big issue on those back in the day.

[harsh spear]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-150-new-conquest-servers-ark-digest-54-r924/

i think they dont even mention snail

[stray elm]

Bruh, that's from 5 years ago.

[harsh spear]

and ?

[stray elm]

Why are you showing 5 year old CC's if the drama is recent?

[harsh spear]

if they dont even mention that snail has control over those servers they are not transparent.

how can you know that upcoming ark servers will not be controlled by snail ?

[stray elm]

They weren't 5 years ago, sure.
But the latest CC of Conquest has mentioned it's owned by Snail-Games

[harsh spear]

which one ?

[stray elm]

Hang on

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-358-community-creature-voting-opens-r2084/

This one.
Conquest season-5

"a new season by Snail Games"

We also don't know the full behind-the-scenes with this stuff.
Conquest could've always been by Snail-Games, or it could've been originally from Wildcard, but Snail-Games migrated over to there after the drama on the normal official servers with TEA.

[harsh spear]

ok i see. did snail take control of those conquest server out of nowhere or was it clear from the beginning ?

[stray elm]

I don't believe we know.

All we do know, is that Snail runs them now.

[harsh spear]

but its kinda weird that if someone gets banned in conquest they are only banned in conquest not in other officials. i think this should be more clearcut.

[stray elm]

Cause Conquest isn't tied to the rest of the Official networks, I believe.

[untold ingot]

Conquest is snails answer for not getting admin power on 1x

[tropic forge]

no not at all, wc was the ones that lock certain regions until snail force their hands

[wanton pike]

They could do that too yh. Imagine them announcing ark 2 getting released in early access in 2025 😂 just so they can avoid compensating the customers after abandoning the game lol

[blissful perch]

Compensating…for what? Nobody paid any money for ark 2 yet

[noble epoch]

I can't believe they changed the price from 2 games for 50 quid to one for 60

[blissful perch]

I can. The community asked them to do that

Although it’s not quite that simple - you had to buy 50-60$ worth of ASA DLC in addition to the ASA/Ark 2 bundle. So the cost for “everything” is about the same, if not slightly better for buyers

[worldly garden]

People still going on about the roadmap that was like ages ago? 🤣

[untold totem]

Wat roadmap?

[astral token]

The one John Denver didn’t have when he wrote Country Roads

[blissful perch]

Always

Partly because nobody reads this stuff…despite it being written to answer questions exactly like that. Don’t YouTube folks also go into these on their channels? How does this not get to so many players 🧐

[worldly garden]

Well I even have people commenting to me about ARK 2 being 3rd person because they just found out. Surely these people hardly play ARK. 🤣

[blissful perch]

Guess so…just weird to see people who don’t follow news acting like that

Maybe that’s the new norm tho? You’d know better than I lol

[winged dome]

People being dumb is hardly new 😂

[blissful perch]

It’s the “I’m smarter than you without knowing anything” vibe. Then again I’m sure I mentioned Dunning Kruger 10 million times

[wanton pike]

Yeah not yet…. 😅

[desert swallow]

But one day they will right?! Crazy!

[wanton pike]

Nah I said imagine and that it wouldn’t surprise me. Because they have done it to other games and studios in the past. Indeed crazy!

[blissful perch]

They had a game out for preorder and never released the game?

[wanton pike]

No they made games in early access that you had to pay for and they abandoned it shortly after.

[winged dome]

I don't think theres actually any law prohibiting the owners of a game/service from influencing it in their favor. Its just a shitty practice that will lose customers and credability so most companies don't openly do this

RE; Blizzard and Pro-China BS

[wanton pike]

It actually kinda is @winged dome . You essentially buy the license to play a game and you have to agree to their license terms before playing the game, if they for example ban you without reasoning(any of the terms in the contract) and take away your right to appeal, than they’re acting unlawfully and could therefore be sued.
Not to forget that they are actually violating their own license contract for cheating in the game!

9/10 times though, nothing will be done against a big company for these kinda matters, but in this case with snail… maybe it is!
Especially due to the large effect it has right now, which is a absolute no go for wildcard, because they’re dragging them through the mud with them!

[winged dome]

But its a different branch of the main Official network, yes? So ... basically an Unofficial server that happens to be paid for and moderated by Snail instead of WC

You still have other options to play

Key word, was

[wanton pike]

Doesn’t matter, it is still part of the game that carry those rules with them

[winged dome]

Point stands - unless you specifically play Conquest, then Snail cheat/BS won't affect you. It has no affect on the mass majority of the players. Doesn't mean it isn't a shitty practice, but they're technically not doing anything wrong/violating any terms

[wanton pike]

But conquest is falling under their own license contract. Also it is still part of the official servers..

[tropic crag]

What part of "Conquest isn't official servers" is hard to get... lol

[blissful perch]

You pay for an early access game knowing there is a risk that development stops. Not to defend predatory corporate practices, but this isn’t anything new

[wanton pike]

Which has been the case for multiple games published by snail so hence why I said it. It definitely isn’t something new coming from snail lol

[blissful perch]

Sure, but it’s not a “scam”. It’s a disappointment sure, but on paper you buy an early access game AS IS

The scam is if they false market (IE have ingame trailers and screenshots for stuff that doesn’t exist) or never produce any product after people pay

[wanton pike]

@vital jetty I just checked on steam and wildcard themselves literally said that conquest falls under the code of conduct from their official network.

[blissful perch]

The CoC isn’t legally binding ofc

[analog hamlet]

ARK: Survival Evolved Conquest:

The ARK Conquest Discord can be found here: https://discord.gg/e25Pc2PysU

[wanton pike]

@blissful perch yeah but the moral of the story was that they’re a shady company. Not that they scam

[fallow niche]

Can probably move on from that in the ark 2 channel.

[blissful perch]

I’d say “risky” as it pertains to ark 2