ark-2

[tropic crag]

We've gone about the conversation here before, but MMO to me is definitely 100+ players, easily

Which Ark 1 was only just capable of, by like a hair

But I wouldn't consider Ark 1 an MMO personally though, that was just to pull people in imo

[blissful perch]

It’s a soft MMO, because it does have tons of servers you can jump between

But what’s weird is that many people never interface with that and just play a single map at a time…and imo the game works better that way when you aren’t constantly jumping between maps

[tropic crag]

Yeah, there's something to be said for the "MMOs" that have sub-100 people playing, but have shards/separate servers and the like, it's certainly hard to put games like that into either category definitively

[blissful perch]

Also imo ark doesn’t need to be an mmo to work

[fallow niche]

@mint swan #735196255483068497.

[mint swan]

Ah sorry! my bad

[plain moat]

Ark doesn’t even work half the time, so call it what you will

[covert tapir]

the only time i can think of when ark doesnt work is reloading ammo xd unless you understand other things as not working

[blissful perch]

talking more about high level design there, but I assume you mean bugs?

[serene onyx]

Wdym doesn’t work?

Its works fine for me

[analog vale]

got early access lets go

[covert tapir]

🔫 gimme it

[analog vale]

||leave scene after spreading misinformation||

[split dove]

sigh ''files misinformation report''

[tropic crag]

You silly, believing Ark chatters ☝️ 🧇

[split dove]

🧇 ☕

[winged dome]

Don't believe Ark2 chatters, only YouTube is a reliable source
Be sure to Like, Comment, and Subscribe for more info, and ding that bell for more updates in the future!

[split dove]

we don't hate oceans, we just want them to be done well like gen 1 and not like any other oceans

[astral token]

???

[zinc gale]

I'd love to see pack/herd animals moving/flocking together more like irl.

[split dove]

Another area that we’re particularly excited about is the World Event system. Rather than simply having a more-or-less static environment with easily predictable or repetitive occurrences ala ARK 1, the new World Event system is designed to ensure that unique things are always happening around the world, whether you are there or not. Events include procedurally-dynamic scenarios like watering hole gatherings, wounded creatures, tracking the signs of advanced prey, stampedes, herds, defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges.

there will be herds and stampedes, and much more

the founders page has a more detailed description of some stuff from the steam page, while describing some stuff not listed on the steam page.

[inland oak]

yea so true this World event system thing sounds interesting

they said no Tek at launch atleast

[split dove]

there will be ''tek scrap'' tier, but there will be no useable tek like in ark 1

[inland oak]

yea which is nice I think my point of view

check the weapon concept Art looks cool

[split dove]

here

[inland oak]

cant put links here

check the CC previous ones

ofc spears

spears - pike

[split dove]

that was just to show what the component based crafting will be like visually

[inland oak]

yea it is

I like her

yea exactly

imaging that we need to steel her eggs to hatch xD

[split dove]

weakness

we don't know yet

[inland oak]

well need to be patient which I am very bad at

yea hope so

not yet

[winged dome]

🍻

[inland oak]

wait for 31st you might get some infor

[winged dome]

There it is 😂

[split dove]

not yet, but with the roadmap being shared on march 31st we could potentially have a release window, this will cover Ark 1, Ark 2, the animated series and Sotf

[winged bridge]

its not gonna be in 2023

[inland oak]

xD

[split dove]

ofc not for playstation

[winged bridge]

not even steam

[inland oak]

so that much trust we got in for WC? xD lol

[winged bridge]

i got no trust in companies announcing dates at all

and not only me

some youtubers even went to say it could be delayed years

i hopne not lol

[split dove]

ah yes, let's believe some sad Nooblets video made to try and keep his channel relevant

[inland oak]

I understand that pretty much but since its early access we could guess maybe December

[winged bridge]

if you listen carefully hes pretty much right

could be wrong tho

[inland oak]

ppl had changed they are thought after announcing ark1 UE 5

ppl guessing they will put more time on Ark 1 UE 5 than ARk2

[split dove]

i'm just gonna say for some of those still confused about the concept art. it's already been stated the concepts shown are done in-game and are to tease leading up to the gameplay.

[split dove]

it's still just the Ark 1 team working on it, iirc nobody from the Ark 2 team was sent to the Ark 1 team to help with it

[winged bridge]

concepts are nice, but its far from footage from the game like every other game does

[inland oak]

and you sure about that?

[winged bridge]

maybe they just plan on releasing concepts

[split dove]

it's just a engine upgrade, not like they are making another dlc

[inland oak]

true still but changing engine will cause lots of bugs

[covert tapir]

ocean was a blue desert

it needs to be an ocean

gen 1 ocean but more ressources and more alive

not everything in the ocean has or wants to kill you

[inland oak]

if they release ARk2 on June/july then we can see new dinos teasers on Charity Event

or Ark2 Gameplay on Charity Event xD lol

I love Ocean a lot

my few bases all near the ocean or on it

[covert tapir]

yeah because you need a breeding spot for the creatures not because ocean is a nice place to go to lmao

[winged dome]

Ark1 Player: Dips toe in ocean
Every ocean creature: "And I took that personally"

[inland oak]

why I like Ocean is, ofc breeding the dinos also, no need to put walls all over to cover up the base for wild dinos and no neighbors near also my dinos so safe

big problem is have to go far to get the resources

that big negative thing building on ocean

[inland oak]

yea exactly and

[covert tapir]

i hope no more gamma settings in ark 2

[inland oak]

yea if they fix water thing might be nice on Ark1 and

yea exactly they really should priority Ark2 but lets see how things goes

[south lance]

when did wc get 200 devs

i thought the team was always around 40 or smthn

[inland oak]

lol same thought

I had till this moment

[south lance]

the most recent number i think i found off some investment website was like 35

but that was also 2019 i think

[inland oak]

but they were advertising a lot

[south lance]

xd

[inland oak]

for Vacancy so they might got enough ppl

[south lance]

200 is a bit high

[inland oak]

because running few games need a proper team

[south lance]

i can imagine 60

[split dove]

some reasons why they're upgrading ark 1 to UE5

• to keep playstation players invested until Ark 2 is on playstation
• to keep people on old consoles around a bit longer until they upgrade
• to give the ark 1 players something nice

[south lance]

like 50 to 60

[inland oak]

yea PlayStation thing is true

since PS5 came they really want something from Ark1

[inland oak]

but I think more ppl = less work for company because if u finish just single play games and you can see in the credits how many ppl worked on the game and Game like Ark, there should be enough people to fix the bugs

[south lance]

yeah but how you gonna pay them

need to constantly release onto new platforms and drop new dlc

or get a loan

[inland oak]

Ark2 surely they planned for 2/3 dlcs already

well ofc they get helps to start the game

start the project I mean

[south lance]

just seems pretty risky

[inland oak]

end product will be always great

[south lance]

but yeah theyll get a stupid amount done if they got that many people

[inland oak]

if more people worked

yea

[south lance]

sure, but it could be great with less

[inland oak]

Ark on PC/Xbox/PS/Switch and what else?

[inland oak]

less mean more stress for employee

Pix Ark made from WC right?

[fallow niche]

No. Snail Games.

[fallow niche]

Just those from Wildcard.

[inland oak]

ah I see, ok thank you

[south lance]

not if you spend more time

[blissful perch]

#oceanDLC ≠ I hate oceans

What you described though is how to create the level design for the ocean…and yea a large volume of water on top of some sand is pretty easy. But if you want reefs, caves, any sort of terrain features or resources that does add work. Especially if it needs new assets that are intended to only be seen in the ocean. BUT, if ark 2 oceans are going to be up to par imo they need far more than that

A good ark 2 ocean, one id enjoy, would probably be enough work to be a DLC. It would require a retooling of the combat system to accommodate aquatic combat, an entirely new branch of resources, missions, tech/buildings, creature skills, events, creature behaviors and interactions, etc. I just don’t think all that is feasible for ark 2’s initial early access release. And I’d argue anything less will shortchange the oceans again

(Or will result in half baked oceans and terrestrial gameplay and lord knows I’d hate that)

[split dove]

a properly done ocean will imo always be better than any story map ocean that isn't gen 1. would you rather want a shitty ocean for the sake of having a ocean, or do you want a well done ocean like gen 1?

[blissful perch]

Gen 1 was imo the best ark 1 could do with an ocean at the time

Fjordur also has great oceans

[split dove]

we're mainly focusing on story/wildcard maps, as ark 2 oceans will be Wildcard oceans

[lime flicker]

I’m going to be focusing ocean bases this time around, I had cave bases and such on ark, but this time, I’m going aquatic

🧜‍♂️

[blissful perch]

#oceanDLC may make that dream so much better

[molten bluff]

We don't even know If we cab go aquatic though. Lots of talk about no tek in the future

[split dove]

no useable tek like ark 1 no

just non functional tek scrap tier items

[stray elm]

(and there's no promises that they wont readd tek in a future DLC. )

[past wind]

Id prefer they do the Atlas way. They released with a procedural ocean and after a while they revamped the ocean.

This way it would please both

TBF Ark without an ocean would be a bit disappointing to me

Oceans and caves are an important part of the ark gameplay.

[covert tapir]

well caves are confirmed and i bet theyll look sick and scary cant wait

ocean is just meh, i could live without one but im also terrified of it so

im biased

[blissful perch]

You won’t need tek to explore the oceans - you can easily imagine alien materials

[split dove]

or we make the diplocaulus return for underwater exploration, and make it have an actual use without scuba gear

[covert tapir]

yes gimme my diplo

[blissful perch]

Or tames like it tbh

[covert tapir]

i just want a moth and a camel so i can build a little cottage home

[blissful perch]

Again it’s not really the level design I’m worried about - it’s the mechanics

[past wind]

Yeah, release it even without proper mechanics, just the basics. Then revamp it. Atlas did it. It’s better to have oceans when first released.

[blissful perch]

Kinda disagree, hence the #oceanDLC move

Release it in a crummy state and people think it’s garbage and it encourages half assed development

Atlas literally doesn’t work without oceans lol, so yes it makes sense to a degree they did it the way they did. But ark 2 by no means requires oceans

[covert tapir]

why would they make it bad just to revamp it lol

thats just more effort for no reason

[blissful perch]

There’s value in concepting and testing but I think with something that’s SO different from terrestrial play (given the souls combat side) I agree Laser…why would they make it bad lol

[covert tapir]

tbh i dont know how souls like in water works

[split dove]

has it ever been done in dark souls or any other game using souls like combat?

[covert tapir]

🤷‍♂️

[lime forge]

Ocarina of Time

[blissful perch]

Frankly I’ve not seen it. There’s obviously aquatic combat but it’s tricky

[prisma pike]

Go play monster hunter tri

[oak atlas]

I feel like they're just saying it has Souls-like combat to get more people interested
I can't wait to see how buggy and broken those "Souls-like" mechanics are gonna be

[lime flicker]

5 business days for me I have the weekend off 🙂

[oak atlas]

@vital jetty They definitely need more ambient creatures. By that I mean creatures that just exist to make the game feel more alive and more real, like, not every creature needs to have some special ability or can be tamed, just add several types of fish, birds, insects, give a reason behind all those weird wooping noises we hear in the jungles on the Island rather than just background sound effects.

The ocean should have the most creatures to make it feel more alive, there just aren't enough in Ark 1 and it makes the oceans feel really boring and empty

I think you're right about making the oceans shallower, maybe they could have much larger coral reefs with heaps of different fish and stingrays and less aggressive creatures, maybe a smaller shark species or two just to give it some level of danger. But there should still be deeper parts with the dangerous stuff and the better loot

[past wind]

That’s my point, they released it without proper deep oceans. We could dive yeah, but pretty much limited to shipwrecks. I want an ocean, even if it means not many creatures populating it. Better than nothing. Also I believe an ocean is a given, I don’t think they release without.

Also, it’s possible to release a DLC improving it in the future.

[past wind]

I don’t know if you are answering to me, but I’m not implying they should release a bad ocean. I just any ocean. If they want to release it with a half complete ocean (not many creatures, caves etc), I would be ok with it.

I just think that makes no sense to release an ocean exclusively in a dlc

90% of the maps have an ocean and the oceanic creatures are nice.

[blissful perch]

I mean a DLC with an ocean map (be it a new one or an addition to the base ark 2 map) just makes the most sense

We’ve so far seen nothing about aquatic creatures or the ocean so I’m not so sure it’s a given (again, speaking only for ark 2’s initial launch)

[stray elm]

Again, I'm still wondering why so much preparation for a roadmap.

[past wind]

We haven’t seen much at all, actually.

[blissful perch]

But all we HAVE seen is terrestrial, and it’s possible that’s sort of what we’re getting

[stray elm]

Wouldn't the pteradons be aerial?

We also see Archa's for a split second in the original ARK-2 trailer

[past wind]

But it’s like 2 minutes of footage and 5 concept arts. But, anyway, we will see what their approach will be. Still think caves and ocean are a given.

[stray elm]

Well caves 100%, since we literally saw one with the Araneo concept art

[inland oak]

yea I really like to see caves and ofc might be few caves

[blissful perch]

Gotta land somewhere 😂, but yes point taken

[potent hull]

next week we will no more on ark 2 then we no now

pray wild card dos not leave us out to dry

[stray elm]

I agree with not leaving us dry.
But....I don't understand that first sentence.

[potent hull]

star war pray they do not alter the deal

and next friday the rd map

[ripe cedar]

Next week, we will know more about ark 2 than we already know.

[stray elm]

Thank you for being a translator.

[ripe cedar]

He spells words phonetically so probably easier to read it aloud

[lime flicker]

We know more about ark 2 next week

[tropic forge]

"While we put the finishing touches on the ARK Roadmap" what a joke 🤣 the way they said that feels like they made a ark dlc 🤣

[desert swallow]

They added a tree and maybe a stop sign

[potent hull]

or the roadmap is in the shape of a tree

[astral token]

That moment when your photoshop subscription has expired:

[drowsy hamlet]

How many months after the roadmap does it come out

[untold ingot]

We'll find out when we get the road map, that's kind of the point

[drowsy hamlet]

I can't wait okay I'm excited 😭

Been bored for months I need me a new game

😂

Not gonna lie if it's 3rd person only I'm scared it's going to be a shit game

[covert tapir]

like they said it will be

mods can make it 1st person they said

[drowsy hamlet]

Oh good

[covert tapir]

whatever they do they should stick to one perspective

either 1st or 3rd only

[drowsy hamlet]

Mhm

[covert tapir]

otherwise it will just be abused some way

[drowsy hamlet]

I hope its coming this year still but most likely not knowing them

A well will know pretty soon

[verbal wind]

the issue comes with how long itll take for 1st person mods

we'd need the devkit for ark 2 probably which could take a while

[drowsy hamlet]

Depending if the community wants it it happens pretty fast as a lot will try make it

[drowsy hamlet]

Yeah

[ionic meteor]

This makes me thing like wow this roadmap is gonna pretty big.. finishing touches? they're definitely cooking something good.

[neon meteor]

Why is everyone assuming the news are going to be big? You are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Don't assume anything. Practise patience. Take the news as they release them. Your worthless assumptions are based on nothing.

[hard hearth]

Problem its they dont have road map

They just lie and Ark 2 release its going to be 2025

[tropic crag]

Your math is a little off here

Megachelon and Moeder come to mind, but that's about it (because the previous three maps had no oceans, since they realized it wasn't important to the overarching story at hand)

[tropic crag]

They've said it should be pretty easy to make a FP mod pretty much day one, so there's that

[split dove]

let's do some quick maths, 9 out of 12 maps having oceans definitely equals to 90% (defo not 75%, but whatever we got to make ocean look more important)
spoilers: it isn't even a big focus on any map that isn't gen 1 tbh, just a ocean bc we gotta add a ocean sorta deal everytime.

[tropic crag]

People can be hopeful, chill homie. Now, if anyone here was saying something like "holy cow omg they said finishing touches that means it's going to be HUGE they may even just release the game right now" then sure, the response is warranted lol, but nobody here (at least, nobody that's demonstrably sane) has said that, at all

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the Gen 2 "ocean" and the Crystal Isles "ocean" are honestly not the best, if even oceans

Just feel tacked on imo

[past wind]

It wasn't a literal statement, just a metaphorical number to say it's relevant to Ark 1. But anyways, we will see what will be their approach. I Still think the Ocean is an important feature to the gameplay

[tropic crag]

We speak in facts here, boiiiii

No but seriously I was just moreso trying to point out the fact that the original storyline set of maps for Ark didn't require oceans at all to get their rocks off, and they were some of the best maps in the game (Aberration being, imo, the best map for overall map-feel and balance and such)

And it still ended up having some of the best/coolest aquatic creatures in the game, I mean, have you seen the karkinos or the lamprey? /hs

Really though, it did have some nice water areas, without necessarily having oceans, per se. Really a big fan personally of the crystalline bog that borders the red zone, very cool area and the biodiversity there was amazing

Not to mention the rivers, which were kinda nice (but did admittedly overspawn coel, for some reason, even occasionally blocking other spawns and being one of the weirdly best XP farm pre-Extinction)

[split dove]

ah Bioluminiscent biome my beloved (and sometimes hated)

[past wind]

I hate Aberration and Extintiction. The only map I really liked (and doesn't have an ocean was Scorched). So I'm biased here. LOL

[tropic crag]

HOW? Tf? You have lost good boy points this fine morning

[past wind]

But seriously, not having aquatic creatures would be a bit disappointing to me, because I think it's an importante feature. But, we will see.

[tropic crag]

Extinction I can understand, but Aberration? There's a reason why most maps going forward have an Ab zone, lol

[past wind]

Aberration is annoying to me. Once I got in there by mistake, you can imagine how hard it was to get out without a transmitter LOL

[past wind]

Yeah, because people hate aberration, but love a lot of the stuff it brought 😂

I mean, the map is annoying, but the content is amazing

[tropic crag]

Well, and that's why I added the bit about biodiversity on Ab, you should really go look at the crystal bog, it's got more water creatures than most people know what to do with

[vague bolt]

I would love to see a bioluminiscent biome in ARK 2, i like the natural lighting

[past wind]

Ok, let me rephrase then, I want aquatic creatures. You can call their habitat huge lagoon, I don't really care how we will call it.

[winged dome]

🍻

[tropic crag]

That's just a skill issue on most people's part, if you don't know where every drop on the map spawns, then you don't get to complain about the drops imo lol

[tropic crag]

And that's fair, and we've already had several convos about having rivers and lakes, even shores, but not necessarily an ocean if they can't figure out/make all that work from the get-go

[past wind]

I know actually. I played there for like 6 months after released. But it is annoying on a higher level when compared to the other maps. After you get settled is just fine like any other map.

[tropic crag]

We want quality over quantity, basically, when it comes to biomes

[past wind]

That's fine to me. But it's concerning if the planet is massive, but doesn't have a huge biodiversity.

Really, we have no idea what they're planning to release. It's hard even to conjecture. LOL

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[desert swallow]

The problem stems from people with nothing going there and being swarmed by raptors or ravagers every time they go to move. Most people can look up a drop point online and wait, but the wait can be quite long on aberration. I know it'd be just as fast to get some hide gear, a crossbow, and a spear and actually go from drop point to drop point and find one, but as an aberration veteran who has seen countless people requesting help, you have to agree it is a bit of a design issue that takes away from the fun and wastes players time.

[past wind]

Agreed

[tropic crag]

I mean, not really. The whole "can't move without being waist deep in ravagers" bit is always overstated, the spawns really aren't that bad. This is coming from someone who's done a no ridden dinos playthrough of the story maps. It's really not all that hard to get from the portal to a drop without encountering a single dino, you just need a parachute or two usually and to stay on the upper walkways if possible

Only issue then is not spawning literally inside of a basilisk, which I will admit is a major design flaw for the "easy" spawn zone, putting one of the harder dinos right smack-dab in the middle of it

But that's just Ark as a whole 😂

[desert swallow]

I love aberration, it's my favorite map, I personally love it and have no issue travelling on it. But the amount of people who get lost or stuck there points to there being a design issue. It can be overcome, but when you are designing something to get people hooked and for replayability, you don't want to make their first impression of the map dreadful.

Again, I love aberration and main it

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I suppose I could get that. But if you start Ark 1 on Aberration to begin with, you're kinda doing it wrong anyways 😅

[covert tapir]

i too love abbberation, do i know how to navigate it? no

and i take a basilisk at spawn over 30 violent scorched creatures every day

[desert swallow]

Aberration looks really really cool! People probably go there having no idea what they are getting into

[tropic crag]

And that's completely a them issue, not the devs' fault whatsoever, right?

[desert swallow]

well no it is a dev issue, because you don't want someone to have a bad experience.

If I were to do aberration, I would have a starting area with raptors at most, maybe a few carnos, and a terminal for getting off the map

[tropic crag]

But they made the choice to go to the map first, when the base map is the first one highlighted and therefore the one you should start on, no?

[desert swallow]

That would solve most of the problems with ab.

[tropic crag]

Again, I understand that the basilisk should not be in the starting area, by any means, but the rest of the creatures are fair game imo

[desert swallow]

add a way to get off the map in that area, and we're good

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, I suppose

And there is that drop just below the bridge, that's what I usually use

But I'm also really lucky apparently, because there's supposed to be sarco and piranha spawns there

[desert swallow]

I usually go to river that goes to blue zone, there's a cluster of 4-5 drops by that waterfall area. The river not filled with karkinos and spinos

If I'm stuck and naked and need to leave

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that's a good one too. There's one just up the river from there, in a little underpass, I use that one quite often if the one on the walkway up and to the right of spawn isn't there

Near the little metal spawn up there with the water in it

But yeah, here's hoping Ark 2 has actually properly labelled spawns and not just arbitrary "easy but not really" type spawns

[split dove]

''the bog biome would like to know your location''

[tropic crag]

Funny thing about that one, in singleplayer, Gen 1 actually had different spawn points for the biome, as in the kapros and raptors would be spawned further away from the initial spawn points. So it was the easy spawn, but still not easier than the ocean to be fair

[thorny bronze]

Is ark 2 third person only

[tropic crag]

As far as we know, yes

[prisma pike]

Fourth person only

[thorny bronze]

Ok

[tropic crag]

What would that even look like? I'm scared

[prisma pike]

Omnipotence

[ripe marsh]

i'm guessing like the sims type of camara

[prisma pike]

Y'know, everyone says that since there's no gameplay reveal yet then there probably won't even be ea this year but they forget that wildcard has a habit of revealing stuff then launching it like 2 weeks later

[split dove]

people also seem to think they have to reveal gameplay 1 year before launch, wildcard does like to drop gameplay closer to launch or 1-2 months before it drops.

[thorny bronze]

[blissful perch]

Imo the issue is that Ab was made as a wonderful stand alone experience…so the fact that is had to be shoehorned into the “everything has to be transferred” MMO piece of ark really ruined the magic

There are so many ways now to circumvent AB’s level design from other maps…it’s just frustrating to see my favorite map done dirty like that

[tropic crag]

Well, and if you just play it as intended, you never run into that issue, at any point

You can ascend from The Island to Scorched, then Scorched to Ab, then Ab to Ext, no problem

And even to the Gens too

Only when mechanics and such that are non-canon are introduced (like transferring back from Ext to Ab) does it pose a problem to have the transfer feature imo

[split dove]

First person was never even a essential part of what made the core of Ark, what made ark ark is the dinosaur survival experience it is.

[mental hearth]

Ohhh noooooo!
In Ark 2, 1st-Person-View has been abandoned, we get only the boring 3rd person view!
Source:
youtube watch?v=0Nk7FFNZcnI

[tropic crag]

Which is something I hope they take the time to fix in the UE5 update, it really is just a tickbox like flyers, but per dino afaik

[tropic crag]

Nice breaking the rules there, bud. And all for a stupid post, too

[glass lagoon]

Ark2 2024?

[tropic crag]

Great, who sent their followers to troll this time?

[glass lagoon]

I’m just asking if its been delayed

[split dove]

improving mechanics and adding new mechanics comes at a cost, losing first person isn't as big of a deal as people want to make it out to be. seeing as you're mostly using dinos wich are TPO unless you for some reason go first person on them, point being is that third person only for everything is better in the long run.
i bet some idiots wouldn't want change bc it comes at the cost of first person and autoclicker combat in a third person focused sequel.

[tropic crag]

You'd know the answer if you did a cursory google search, or checked the Steam page in the pins

But my apologies, I'm just used to large groups of trolls showing up all at once lately

[glass lagoon]

Just asking a question don’t need to be mean 🥲

[winged dome]

🍻

[tropic crag]

How is telling you where to find the information mean? Tf?

Kids these days

[split dove]

ark players am i right? ☕

[foggy badger]

I'm sorry to ask this but is the release date known by any chance?

[vague bolt]

First off: Nobody knows information, it's been on a TBA status for a while now, and the roadmap reveal is coming soon and also- May I remind people here by the first Ruleset section 1, 2 and 5 ? Thank you very much! 🙂

[winged dome]

🍻

[split dove]

still just 2023, we might know something more specific with the roadmap being shared on march 31st

[mental hearth]

Why stupid? I refer to information given on Youtube.

[worldly garden]

We've known since last June that it is 3rd person only.

[mental hearth]

Oh. I admit, i just learned it now, through that video.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, and you also circumvented the filter, hence the rule being broken in question

[mental hearth]

is that not an incredible loss, if 1st-personn-view is gone?

[tropic crag]

Not really, no

[worldly garden]

You should watch my videos then! 🤣 (yes selfish plug 😝 )

[split dove]

no

[glass lagoon]

If nothing has been shown it’s a bad sign that it’s either not close to being finished or they don’t want to show it I have high hopes but still worried without footage

[winged dome]

Oh look, its this exact conversation again

[glass lagoon]

I just arrive my bad if this just happened

[mental hearth]

Hmmmm, I don't know. For me, it is the First-Person-View that let's me imerge into the virtual world.

[glass lagoon]

Same

[split dove]

third person can also be immersive if done right, not every game has to be super immersive

[vague bolt]

Honestly, I would love to see what the third person can offer, first person got me spoiled with hit detection alot so I welcome all change at this point 🤣

[mental hearth]

Bluebyte's "The Settlers" ("Die Siedler") is 3rd-Person-View, but that is not really exciting.
I think, I will stick to Ark 1.

[glass lagoon]

True but nothing to prove it will be

[tropic crag]

There's plenty of games that prove this, you have but to look with your eyes and a source of internet access and you'll find them 😅

[covert tapir]

what

[tropic crag]

RDR2, Mass Effect series, State of Decay, etc etc

[covert tapir]

how can you compare die siedler to ark!??!?!

[glass lagoon]

Yes but I’m talking ark not anything else ark

[tropic crag]

That's... a rather shallow way to think, but ok

[mental hearth]

I want, that it is "me" to walk around in those virtual worlds. Not just a game character. If you understand, what I mean. I wonder, what caused the problems that forced the developers to abandon the great immersive 1st-person-view. and even delay any real gameplay previews.

[mental hearth]

How? Thrd-person-view. 😄

[covert tapir]

WHAT

die siedler is 20 years old

and a totally different game style

[winged dome]

Try playing a souls-like in first person and lemme know how that works for you

[vague bolt]

I'd like to believe the reason is "ShooterGame" but that might just be me being used to being able to 360 noscope and actually hit something 👀

[glass lagoon]

I really want to have high hopes but with the combat and only 3rd person it just worries me how we haven’t seen anything

[mental hearth]

And still, 3rd person view...

Like 20 years ago, as you self say.

[tropic crag]

Welp, I'm out for the evening, peace

[vague bolt]

"Souls-like First Person" yes I've seen that 🤣 doesn't work, causes massive inertia

[covert tapir]

that is not even 3rd person its just top down view

[split dove]

same with the new player traversal mechanics

[glass lagoon]

Fax

[winged dome]

You do know Ark2 is advertised as souls-like, right?

So thats the reason there isn't going to be first person

[mental hearth]

Well, I don't want to talk against Ark 2. All I say, is that I self won't go anymore for Ark 2. I will stick to Ark 1.

[covert tapir]

thats like saying ark 2 is gonna be like the game barbie puppy rescue cause it only got 3rd person aswell

[glass lagoon]

Yes and most people don’t like the idea of that with nothing to prove it’ll be good they will continue to be worried

[covert tapir]

like huh?

[mental hearth]

I am not a soul, but a player who wants to be immersed into a virtual world.

[blissful perch]

I’m torn between this being trolling or not

[covert tapir]

it better be

otherwise there is no hope for him

[blissful perch]

Does everyone know that all mounted ark 1 play is by default in third person? We all agree that’s pretty standard?

[glass lagoon]

No this is not trolling just worried for the game

[mental hearth]

I don't want autharitans feeling uncomfortable by my critical opinion, therefore I am leaving this channel. 🙂

[covert tapir]

yes

[glass lagoon]

Same when it’s released in 2040 they’ll see bye guys have a good day 😀

[blissful perch]

Me: is stunned by a comparison between apples and nuclear firearms
Chatter: I don’t want to make people uncomfortable with my take

My man the issue is that I don’t know how the comparison is drawn to begin a discussion lmao

[winged dome]

And nothing of value was lost

[covert tapir]

me when 2 people i dont know leave the chat :

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind new chatters…but the burden of legitimacy lies with the person who posts the hot take lol

[winged dome]

Remember, its not the people we've met lost, its about the clinks we've made along the way

[split dove]

this is a new lvl of stupid or low

[tropic crag]

Ok, so they were in on it together then, that's what that last quip spells out for me

Why so often must we deal with trolls? I just wanna discuss potential design mechanics 🥲

[split dove]

this is sadly the reality of the ark community and their sub-divisions

[astral token]

Me reading chat:
Me seeing your reactions:

I am surprised how y’all are so shocked

Spend a day in #general you will be shockproof until the day you die

[split dove]

we don't look into that cesfest called #general for a reason

[astral token]

Lifetime shock immunity id worth it

[prisma pike]

General is full of troglodytes

[astral token]

Idiots are transient, doom (and shock immunity) is eternal

[tropic crag]

General chat in most any discord is a death sentence

Woe be unto ye who walk there, etc etc.

[astral token]

not in mine

it kinda is tbh

[prisma pike]

The general chat in my discord would probably make half the people in this discord rage like a mf

[tropic crag]

I did say most, ones with just a few close friends are usually ok

[covert tapir]

get back to topic before Countrybee uses threatening peek again

[prisma pike]

I got ringworm on my leg today #ringwormsforark2

[astral token]

Understandable winks heavily at several chatters

[tropic crag]

OH SHI- uhhhhhh Ark 2 should have bioluminescent bodypaint that you can gather as algae in certain lakes

WHEW, there we go

[astral token]

Normally I wouldn’t say this, but…

[prisma pike]

You do not recognize the bodies in the water

Wait I misread that as putting on paint and pretending to be algae lmao

[astral token]

Mammal reveals for ARK II when

[covert tapir]

we have humans what do you mean

[astral token]

Pass

[prisma pike]

Never mammals < dinosaurs

[covert tapir]

didnt we see an equus skeleton in the araneo picture

or we still not sure what it could be

[astral token]

[prisma pike]

Inferior creatures

[covert tapir]

tbh mammals always ugly

[prisma pike]

Except the bat because that things op

[covert tapir]

pls no non story map creatures

[astral token]

[covert tapir]

no griffins no bats no nothingd

[prisma pike]

Cause the devs decided to put a FAT ASS box for its pick hitbox

[covert tapir]

deinonychus is ok cause its dinosaur

[astral token]

I wouldn’t mind a balanced Andrew and Demsodus tbh

[prisma pike]

I don't want fliers that pick shit

[astral token]

Desmodus shouldn’t be able to carry anything bigger than a Lystro

That too for a few minutes at best

[prisma pike]

Pt can pick an enforcer btw

[astral token]

You’re thinking of balance, that is not my point

I agree the balance sucks

Speaking purely from a design and creature variety standpoint

[prisma pike]

Picking things is boring from a gameplay perspective anyways

[blissful perch]

Me daily

[blissful perch]

I escaped general and never looked back. Sounds like I was lucky

[tropic crag]

That's why I eyed the statement, was very unintentionally worrying without further context lmao

[astral token]

You are indeed shockproof, my ground type friend 🫡

[blissful perch]

Oh snap, thank goodness

[astral token]

You would’ve become more shockproof, “evolved” one may say, if you’d never left

[blissful perch]

If I change my pfp to Vibrava you know I’ve lost my way

[prisma pike]

What about flygon?

[astral token]

Maybe one day you’ll be as shockproof as your great grandfather

[tropic crag]

He has to earn that one

[astral token]

Flygon is only his grandfather

[blissful perch]

Imagine skipping Vibrava. That’s like me saying I’m gonna be a solo alpha tribe with no tames or turrets. It’s blasphemy, it’s impossible, and it’s lunacy

[astral token]

His great grandfather was so good nobody exactly knows how he looks

[tropic forge]

🍿

[astral token]

Many make their own portraits in remembrance

(Great grandfather = mega flygon btw)

[blissful perch]

I’m getting popcorn for when Fox’s wild takes come, hold on one moment

Alright
🍿
Let’s hear it fox

[wide turtle]

Any announcements lately?

[tropic crag]

There's the announcements tab, but I don't know if I'd say that was created very recently

[winged dome]

🍻

[drowsy hamlet]

Same nobody can break the love for that map

[tropic crag]

She was definitely shown off pre-release, iirc it was during ExtraLife of the preceding year

[drowsy hamlet]

Mhm yeah hate that as well

[tropic crag]

Here's hoping that they take the opportunity to fix it with the UE5 update! 🙏🤞

(And that something comes up, causing them to have to wipe official MWAHAHA )

[split dove]

almost like every other story dlc either had no ocean or didn't focus more on water like gen 1

[winged dome]

Ab technically had the most water as a DLC until Gen1.
Scorched was a desert, and theres not much water in Ex

[split dove]

ocean my bad

out of the 6 story maps only half had oceans, and only gen 1 had new underwater tames, a underwater boss and bigger focus on ocean itself, same goes for the other biomes in gen 1.

[winged dome]

What point are you making?
Its true Gen1 had the most additions/improvements to aquatic gameplay, none of the other DLCs added anywhere remotely close to the oceanic additions Gen1 brought. He never said Gen1 is only oceans, just its the best example of a map with oceans as a major focus (being its own biome) instead of an lesser biome/afterthought

Thats a personal opinion, people are allowed to have those

And I agree - If oceans in Ark2's release are going to be like the Island's poor excuse for aquatic content, I'd much rather they leave it to a DLC with an actual ocean focus

[tropic forge]

🍿

[winged dome]

What statement my guy? Its literally just personal opinions? 😂

You have an opinion, I have a differing one - what else is there to get?

[astral token]

Gen 1 has some strong points, but you know the major negative?

Let me spell it out

Lack. Of. Biome. Connections.

[winged dome]

I'm not saying your wrong, no one is wrong when it comes to their own opinions

[astral token]

Implement that and your great land/water transition is destroyed

The inherent problem with water in video games is that when people think ocean, they think, mighty, blue, vast. Unfortunately due to memory and size limitations such a replica is not possible. Therefore the only way to do a proper ocean is in an isolated environment, where your whole map can simulate this, somewhat

I feel this is the reason many are asking for Oceans in a DLC

Look at all good ocean games, Subnautica, your favourite Gen1 Ocean, all are isolated oceanic maps

It gives a much fuller effect than contributing 10% of your map area into a steeply falling unreal ocean

[tropic forge]

this ended whit UE5

[astral token]

Not even UE69 can remove device limitations

Not everyone has sweaty 128 GB RAM gaming rigs

16 GB is only so much memory

[tropic forge]

but just made it possible to have bigger environments whit way less requirements

[astral token]

Not big enough, maybe make the 10% to 20%

[tropic forge]

lol ok

[astral token]

Ocean is already the biggest real life biome

[winged dome]

I'm not disagreeing that the Devs can make land and oceans well fleshed out in one map, but if they make it like the Island's poor excuse of an ocean then I'd rather forgo it entirely for a dedicated/focused DLC

[winged dome]

Which I already addressed and stated here 😂

[tropic forge]

dude just get in your head, ppl want to spend more money on stuff that should be on the original product

[winged dome]

Your point has been addressed and I shared my opinion about what I would like to see - what more do you want? 😂

Likewise, for complaining no one is 'getting your point', despite it being addressed repeatedly

Lets all just move on and get back to the real important stuff, like clinking

Not a clink, no longer interested

[blissful perch]

The Gen 1 ocean is also far smaller than the other oceans and reuses a TON of existing ark 1 assets and mechanics. Nobody reinvented the wheel making genesis 1 oceans. In fact the success may be related to the fact that it came out years into ark’s life

[blissful perch]

Thank you for highlighting the #oceanDLC talking point

Most of that knowledge sounds like it will NOT translate. Namely the combat system and the way events work (/the events themselves)

I’d say that alone is sufficient reasoning to suspect an ark 2 ocean will resemble ark 1 island ocean quality in terms of how lacking it would be compared to terrestrial gameplay

They’re substantially raising the bar lol. Their skill increased AND their ambition

They were stretching their ability to make the island seven years ago and seem to be doing that again for ark 2

Right, and they scaled up the project massively to match that

I would say it’s a loony take to argue ark 2 is a “safe” project: it seems just as ambitious as ark 1 was in 2015 when it came out. While that seems to be a WC approach that I take no issue with, it does mean that I’d rather they focus on their core gameplay (terrestrial) and then dedicate the time needed to make a clean, well built ocean DLC, rather than force it in at the last second before launch

[blissful perch]

Why? They made a new map and called it scorched earth and sold it for money

They could release DLC as added pieces to the large ark 2 map or as separate maps and it would be the same functional thing in terms of new content

And ofc given we’ve seen zero mention of aquatic combat, creatures, or mechanics…I’m just not so sure it’s being developed in parallel to the terrestrial combat and event mechanics

Right, so they made a paid DLC model. You think they won’t do that for ark 2? It makes sense to have a paid dlc model if you’re going to make huge content drops like ark 1 again

If they expand the map to include a massive ocean…I see that as identical to adding a new map

Just make sure it isn’t an actual ingame physical pay wall lol since that’s horrible design

Well hold on, ark 1 in UE5 is an entirely different prospect. That stuff has already been designed and built, it just needs to be recoded

Ok so if you want to change topics to ark 1 UE5 sure. But I doubt they’ll release that in pieces

I’m guessing it’ll be one big ue5 launch for the whole game

It is. You’re assuming oceans are intrinsic to ark 2, and I am not

False equivalency imo? One is an update to an existing game, and one is an entire branch of new content for a new game nobody has yet paid for

It’s like saying charging a fee to get optimization updates = aberration so it’s ok (or vice versa)

…uh that’s a pretty wild take

[astral token]

???

[blissful perch]

That’s like saying the genesis missions should be free because it’s a new function they pushed back because they weren’t able to add that complexity to the island

[astral token]

Did the game advertise FREE OCEANS WITH PURCHASE? i don’t think so

[blissful perch]

I’m asking oceans to come later because asking for them now is imo likely to be asking for a pile of garbage

Or it comes at the expense of terrestrial gameplay (the even worse outcome)

[astral token]

No1 mentioned making it a paid DLC?

Just it’s own separate map or equivalently sized area

[blissful perch]

I did lol. But to his example, it would be like the entire map of rag coming out as a paid DLC and offering exclusively new content

IE, like every other ark 1 paid dlc

[elfin pumice]

Wouldnt underwater combat be very similar to aerial combat? Pts are already confirmed

[blissful perch]

You’re assuming again the ocean is intrinsic to ark - which is an assumption

It’s not half the map not being done…the entire ark 2 map would come out at launch and it simply wouldn’t have an ocean

The new DLC would therefore be a NEW place to explore that comes out later, when WC has had more time to develop new mechanics and features

[blissful perch]

Probably not: since my suspicion is that air combat won’t have the same “all levels” environment and level design as an ocean. Events also likely wouldn’t have to be made explicitly for the skybox

As long as you recognize that’s a personal opinion and not a fact, that’s fine

[elfin pumice]

They would just need to make some tweeks to the aerial combat and use it as underwater combat

[elfin pumice]

Wdym by all levels? Altitude?

[blissful perch]

I explicitly state my assumptions…I feel like I’ve had to dig up yours my man

[blissful perch]

The skybox for fliers generally is pretty close to the ground - only the quetz in ark 1 really occupies the high skybox. So it’s way easier to design. That and ofc the sky is (assuming similar to ark 1) empty unlike an ocean

Yes? It’s all been about my argument in favor of a specific design approach. Since I’m not WC and can’t speak for them

You implicitly have assumed oceans are a default to ark and ark 2…which has resulted in the appearance of an argument that reads “I’m entitled to an ocean on launch”. I disagreed with that premise and thus pushed for #oceanDLC

[elfin pumice]

Even if the skybox limit is 5 meters off the ground, you still have to deal with altitude. And, if by empty you mean no obstacles, we could have very tall trees or mountains, or a flat ocean floor

[south lance]

oceans are a little cringe

its hard to implement a fun biome that has to be massive but cant be utilized without leaving it constantly

you need more underwater caves

small ones even, little ledges or whatever

just more places to go afk in

[blissful perch]

Empty in this case means no scenery that’s explicitly tied to the skybox. Your tree example is a grounded asset and the mountain is a terrain feature. Obviously they interact with flyers, but it’s not quite like the ocean

[south lance]

then you can justify making an ocean resource cycle that can be independent from land

and then you finally have a cool ocean imo

atm oceans are just a pearl and drop source

and some few good base spots

nvm, oceans are more or less comparable to current land bases

since even land bases require insane overhead now

[elfin pumice]

So how is the ocean "not empty" in this case?

[south lance]

though at this point youre interacting with the game as a whole and have bigger issues than the ocean being fun or not. Game stopped being fun at this level of consideration

biomes dont even matter much in ark besides as thematic guidelines to implement bases

[elfin pumice]

Immersion and creature variery

[blissful perch]

You need spawn zones at different elevations, different events and resources that spawn throughout those Z coordinates, possibly a way to force creatures to maintain a specific depth in order to maintain immersion, and a means to handle entirely seaborne combat (for example, in the air when your player is dismounted, they act identically to a player who jumped off a cliff rather than in an entirely new way)

[south lance]

arks immersion is either decent or nonexistent depending on the context of gameplay

arks got no immersion as far as multiplayer is concerned

not including dedicated worlds

and maybe certain specially modded experiences with highly regulated multiplayer

[elfin pumice]

My point is that theres no need to reinvent the combat mechanics as air combat will likely be very similar. All those other things arent that complex and arent a sentence to "garbage ocean" or neglected ground mechanics

[blissful perch]

You definitely would need to reinvent combat mechanics to meet the “souls combat”

My assumption is air combat requires a mount - aquatic combat does not. So you couldn’t reuse that piece

[elfin pumice]

From scartch yes, but underwater combat will likely be very similar to aerial combat, which is sorta confirmed by the presence of pts

[south lance]

do any soulslike games have 3d player combat

seems like all of them are ground combat usually

[elfin pumice]

I dont think two bobs will be able to fight properly enough underwater for it to have a separate combat system

[blissful perch]

I don’t know enough about the combat system to get to that level of detail

[south lance]

likely that the game is gonna be primarily tame based combat still

perhaps smaller dinos and players get their abilities upscaled to be more relevant so as to justify new combat mechanic implementation

[elfin pumice]

Humans arent agile underwater, so my assumpion is that we will only be able to lock onto the target and maybe do a short combo of basic attacks. No dodges, parries or anything like that

[blissful perch]

Sure, but even that would have to need an entirely new set of animations and behaviors

Since again in the air…you’re falling but it’s basically whatever you’d already need to make for ground combat

[tropic crag]

Mounted combat, sure. But we're talking about player skill based combat in a (almost) zero G environment, which is wildly different

Think Gen 2 space biome, but you have to implement a form (or lack thereof) of dodge, different attack styles, what weapons can even be used, etc.

[split dove]

just tie a rock onto your feet to do a dodge underwater, easy fix

[elfin pumice]

I dont think unmounted humans have enough underwater mobility to deserce a complex combat system like the mounted one

[tropic crag]

Now I want to be able to mafia people and tie rocks to their legs and dump them in deep lakes

Thanks for the mental image

[elfin pumice]

Id just make it like current underwater ark 1 unmounted combat

[split dove]

blame lotus for part of my current mindset

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure you could DO that given it looks like new weapon types are being added and they may behave entirely different from ark 1 weapons

[tropic crag]

Well, then what the hell do you do when you're underwater with no mount? These are pretty important mechanics that you're suggesting are just... simply thrown away with reckless abandon 😂

[blissful perch]

Well I concede we may define “garbage” differently

What Miettinen suggests would certainly work for a janky early access ocean…but that’s precisely what I’m trying to avoid lol

And it’s quite possible janky is preferred to nothing for many folks…but my fear is that it’ll be built janky and remain janky because people get used to it

[elfin pumice]

Dont go underwater with no mount? We cant even throw a proper punch underwater, how are we gonna dodge, stagger, parry or do decent combos?

[tropic crag]

Yeah, aka the whole point of contention here lol

[tropic crag]

Then how do we tame underwater creatures, or defend ourselves when our mount dies? We just have to suck it up, and not tame anything down there, making the ocean (functionally) useless? I thought that's what we were trying to solve...

[elfin pumice]

Im not talking about the entirety of ocean mechanics, im just saying that its not such big of a future project to make an ocean dlc as you say

[tropic crag]

Well, then how do we solve the issue at hand? Also I'll be back in like an hour

[elfin pumice]

My guess is an early passive tame like the dolphin. Oceans should high risk high reward, so if your tame dies, there shouldt be much left to do

Stay away from dangerous areas and come well prepared

[past wind]

I like the new stuff it brought, I like the rock drake. Also I think the rockwell ascension mechanics were relly nice back then. But I hate how annoying it is to navigate through it, the fact it has no obelisks (easily accessible), the nameless... etc

I'm not saying it's impossible to live there, it's actually pretty easy, like on any other map, once you get settled, but it's annoying to start there. Just to do simple things.

Extinction I hate because it made elements too easy to get.

the suggestions others give above would make aberration more friendly to the begginers. Like I've said, I went there by mistake (you know when you are changing maps and the game selects another map?!) and I wasn't ready to get out of there. It was annoying just to get out. LOL

[blissful perch]

To be clear - I agree an ocean can come out with the initial ark 2 launch. But I’ll be sorely dissatisfied with it unless it has a suite of features that I’m not sure can be developed outside the scope of a DLC. It has the potential to be an entirely new sphere of content. Or it could be as flat and mechanically behind as most of ark 1’s oceans

[past wind]

Can you enumarete what you would want?

[blissful perch]

I think I have? Unless you missed one of the chats. But I feel like you were there

[past wind]

I probably did

today?

[blissful perch]

No, some time ago

This isn’t a new topic - I’ve been in favor of a deep dive into improved ocean for a long time

[past wind]

I don't remeber. I just remember you saying you would like an ocean DLC, but I don't remember you say what you would want.

[past wind]

I hate to talk so much about it in here, but Atlas did that

it even has a submarine

but it came on a big update

[blissful perch]

Atlas by definition needed a janky ocean to start - since a pirate game needs an ocean lol. Ark 2 has no such requirement

[past wind]

Did you ever used the dev kit?

[blissful perch]

I’ve seen it, but the kit broke my computer

[past wind]

I never, but I heard people saying Arat is an Archipelago planet

If the map is really massive and the planet an archipelago, I guess it will have an ocean

[blissful perch]

It’s very plausible we get oceans, and it would be a misrepresentation of my argument to say I don’t expect or desire them

[past wind]

Sure, I've even rephrased what I want

I don't even need an ocean, if they give us a huge lagoon with aquatic beasts, I would be happy 😂

[blissful perch]

Yea you’ll see in the older conversations, and maybe where I DM’d you, that I’m talking in similar terms

[past wind]

I mean, under all those floating islands they can just put a huge lagoon with waterfalls

[split dove]

i even suggested letting the diplocaulus return for waterway and lake/lagoon exploration, that way it has a use in a primarily primitive setting.

[tropic forge]

"i even suggested " love this part, it crack me up in tears 🤣

[true fox]

Is release date still 2023 ish?

[blissful perch]

Trust me you’ll see this chat go bonkers if anything new came out about the release date

[mint swan]

ark 2 should have mantleing and sliding for better movement for the players

also no pay to play dlcs

[stray elm]

I'll agree on the first.
But hell no on the latter

[potent hull]

ho her think they need to make the ark rd map look like a tree

[split dove]

that's already confirmed, in this fun trustworthy thing called the store page

Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging!

[mint swan]

YAY

[split dove]

looking at the steam page can answer some questions you could potentially want to ask later on.

[split dove]

yes, for now it's still just 2023. but we could potentially know a more exact date/release window with the ark franchise roadmap being shared on March 31st

[potent hull]

there one questions it cant tell us and it is do we no if flobs a boss and wan is the game coming out

[split dove]

if we have a library arena i could be a boss, seeing as i mainly refer people to sources of knowledge

[potent hull]

sow the boss of knowledge in ark 2 good name for you lol

i can see it now players coming to you for news in side ark 2 boss fight lol

you kill them with the knowledge power

[untold ingot]

Continuing with the ocean rant, your previous talks about ocean mainly focus on having reefs or shallow sea. I want actual deep sea. If ark2 is on an archeapelago, then having a reef extending down the island drop-off is fun, but would have to be there on launch. I want the actual deep sea expanse. Just an endless amount of very deep water, with the ability to make sailing ships. While I am in favor of an ocean dlc after launch (adding new creatures ships and maybe biomes underwater) I believe that there has to be a big ocean on launch first

[broken flower]

I'd prefer it if the ocean was filled with spoons

Bc it would make it easier to drink

[untold ingot]

If they use Ue5.2 for procedurally generating terrain, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a big ocean at the start

[potent hull]

i say they need to have salt water just like are world dos

[untold ingot]

I mean, rivers flowing into salt water giving it an irl look with the colors mixing could be epic

[covert tapir]

lets start with realistic rivers first, that actually have a starting point and actually flow

[untold ingot]

I don't know how fluids work in ue5 yet lol

[broken flower]

I fully agree son

[untold ingot]

I mean, they said that rivers will flow

[covert tapir]

not the the island " im a river that goes into 2 directions with no source " typa river

[untold ingot]

Rivers better would be awesome, a better ocean would be absolutely amazing

If every river is like the canoe race, then it'll actually make using a canoe fun

[broken flower]

What's a canoe?

[split dove]

[broken flower]

Flabs is here

[untold ingot]

I want to see either European style ships, or even better Polynesian style boats for sailing the sea

[split dove]

i just want to be able to make a Polynesian spa

[broken flower]

Flobs do you like ark?

[untold ingot]

I don't know what that is, the image it brings to mind is a pineapple in water, but I am betting that isn't right

[split dove]

look it up Raq

[untold ingot]

A geothermal bunch of water pools in New Zealand?

Sounds cool

[split dove]

atm the closest you can get is building on those hot springs on rag

[untold ingot]

I don't see how you can make one though, it would have to be a hand built poi

[split dove]

a pool is a start already

[untold ingot]

Sulfur flats on ext lol

Those are geothermal

[split dove]

sometimes i forget extinction has them, as the only real thing you'd try to go there for are OSD's and like 2 element vein spawns

[untold ingot]

That's about all ext is good for tbh

[potent hull]

row row your bout down the water fall you die lol

[hazy elm]

Game coming out next year

[past wind]

Lots of games coming out next year. I bet there will be more than 3.

[potent hull]

or just one big game all are in side it lol

[winged dome]

🍻

[desert swallow]

2023ish? 2023 give or take a few years

[past wind]

Yeah, we all know, if they don't release today, it 100% means it's not releasing before 2033.

[civic kite]

i was jsut thinking

i woundr if we will have elemtn in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Not usable

[civic kite]

i cant think why the new planet (do we have a name)

becuase unless we brign it in the ship, or an asterold hit it like one hit earth

[desert swallow]

You don't know that

[untold ingot]

It's the most talked about topic in this channel other than tp only

[desert swallow]

I'm seeing a lot of ocean talk

but why will there be no useable element?

[untold ingot]

Because that is what the devs said

[desert swallow]

They said it's going to be more primitive

But to have element be such a big part of ark 1 and then just discard it and have it play no role in ark 2 would be kind of odd in my opinion. But neither of us can say with certainty what role element will play in the game.

[untold ingot]

The devs said it element (and maybe tek) would be sinister and dangerous

[stray elm]

Jesse confirmed tek is staying (which in turn means Element) within environments.

[rare heart]

Doesnt mean tek will be like ark one though

Will definitely still be the best tier though

I dont mind the idea of tek but the budget halo stuff was mid as hell

Design wise the scrappy tek on the rex saddle is far more appealing to me

[haughty ore]

Hopefully cryos don't exist

[blissful perch]

hard to say...but it did look that way from the concept art

[knotty ridge]

Honestly hoping its like primitive plus 🤣🤣

[tropic crag]

False, they said no tek tier of usable items, not no usable Element

[untold ingot]

Remind me how you have usable element, but no usable tek?

[tropic crag]

You can use Element to tame/transform the Ferox, no? No reason there wouldn't be other organic consumers of Element out there, or other things than just tek that use it to do things

[stray elm]

Element could also be used for very primitive gear, if melted.
Basically, a non-functioning tek-tier.

[tropic crag]

That's... not Element, at that point. Also, how would we melt it if we know the boiling point is far higher than most metals we can acquire? Unless of course it's a very poor alloy I suppose, but tek is always touted as space age metal lol

[stray elm]

Lava.

[untold ingot]

You don't melt things by boiling them though...

[stray elm]

Technically, the melting point 'is' also a boiling point

As if you melt iron for long enough, it will start to bubble.

[untold ingot]

Iron melts at 1510c, and boils at 2861c...

[tropic crag]

Melting point, boiling point, same difference

You get what I was saying either way

[untold ingot]

It's actually not, that's why it's a different word

[stray elm]

"In a technical sense, they're actually very different. But since you fuck with me Bruise, I'll fuck back"

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but I have to be a stick in the mud

[tropic crag]

I know

[untold ingot]

Apt description 😂😂

[stray elm]

I just realized how bad that last part sounds.
Welp, not going to edit it and have it as a mark-of-shame.

[untold ingot]

Tbf, using that word always sounds bad

[stray elm]

Well fuck, you're fucking right about me saying fuck in a wrong fucking bad way.

Hang on, what's my fuck count at.

YOOO!!!
4,442 results!!

[untold ingot]

Way too high for a healthy normal person

[stray elm]

Lets fucking gooo!!!!

My milestone is 5k

[untold ingot]

What if you reach it?

[stray elm]

Good thing I'm not healthy, nor normal. 🗿

[stray elm]

Then I will accept bans

[untold ingot]

That's the thing with bans, you don't really get to accept them or not lol, they just happen

[stray elm]

Don't you know?
If you say 'no' to being banned. They can't legally ban you.

[untold ingot]

That....

[stray elm]

It's like killing.
Someone can't legally kill you if you say 'no'

"Say 'no' to murderers!" -Spartan073003. 👍

[worldly garden]

👀

[tropic forge]

🍿

[astral token]

Don’t pop so much someday something you don’t want popped will get popped

[frank solstice]

when is ark 2 coming?

[vague bolt]

Simply put: To Be Announced

But assumptions are either late this year or somewhere around next year

[split dove]

atm just 2023, we might have something more specific with the ark franchise roadmap being shared on March 31st

[verbal wind]

🍻

[glass lagoon]

2024

[neon meteor]

2026

[glass lagoon]

Probably

[neon meteor]

(Fun fact: No one knows.)

[desert swallow]

The roadmap will make everything clear

[winged dome]

🍻

[neon meteor]

Only 5 more days until we know more (or not).

[winged dome]

I'm predicting release window for Ark1 UE5, Platform and date for Animated Series, and updated release window for Ark2, along with some more concept arts

And announcement of Ark: The Boardgame

[neon meteor]

The first 3 are practically guaranteed items. The last one came out of nowhere. ARK Boardgame? What?

[blissful perch]

Ark Xcom pls

[drowsy hamlet]

2035

Imagine what cinda games exist in that year 😳

That might be the end of ark2 and we get a ark3

😳

[ripe marsh]

ark tower defense when

[tropic crag]

Wait, you haven't played the hit tower defense game, Ark: Survival Evolved?

(Specifically PvP mode, but)

(Also I dare you to argue that PvP isn't just basically a tower defense game mode at higher levels, change my mind)

[ripe marsh]

nah, sounds lame

not enough darts

[split dove]

it can also be cave defense game

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, a fellow BTD enjoyer, welcome

Bloons when they hear about pop culture:

[ripe marsh]

monkey when darts :

[hazy elm]

No one is going to like primitive ark

we'll all still be playing ark 1

ripperoni

[tropic crag]

Very nice (totally original) take that has never been stated before and is totally not going purely for absurdist, generalist shock value

GG I guess

[split dove]

we both know they're gonna play Ark 2, unless they're still on old hardware or playstation 🤣
or they're just so in love with outdated stuff from Ark 1 and don't want a more quality experience

[lime flicker]

I’ll be on ark 2 lol

[tropic crag]

Same, I can only play the same thing so long, I love Ark 1 to bits but everyone in my community is getting a little bored with it

[split dove]

and as far as we know Ark 1 UE5 is just gonna be a engine and texture update, nothing new and the same old shit but prettier

[tropic crag]

Yeah. We will be getting a bit more playability in that regard, and also the rhyniognatha when it makes it's way to us

But I think those will just barely tide us over, like the carcharo did

[split dove]

every time i tried feeding it corpses and was almost done with stage 1 it would get brainworms and run away

[tropic crag]

Sadge, git gud I guess

[split dove]

the ai was trolling me ngl

[tropic crag]

Still need to make that clip for Mazzy, maybe I'll tag you when I upload it too

[past wind]

In that case, you can stick to this channel #ark-survival-ascended 👍

[potent hull]

to the player ho say they will not die in ark 2 you are lying we will all die

[split dove]

can't die if you never spawn in though 🧠

[past wind]

“You can’t die if you don’t live” - Bob, The

[near ether]

wow

deep words

[latent grail]

i'm not convinced this game will ever be released/finished

[peak bloom]

Me either

It promises so much great amd changing stuff

I just hope it goes alright when it‘s released. Really looking forward

[mint swan]

Ik bro I'm really ready to play it

[rare heart]

This game will def be finished eventually

I think the roadmap will “draw a line in the sand” so to speak

Ark 2 sounds genre defining if they actually do that stuff well

Which was kind of ark 1’s curse, iconic idea, subpar execution

The ai might be what makes or breaks it for me

[stray elm]

I think it could define 'a' genre, but generally I don't think they'd be able to pull of 'reinvent the survival genre'
They confirmed that the survival aspects aren't being expanded on as much.
Which.....then how do you expect to reinvent the genre, when the mechanics aren't even going to be much like said genre?
I could see it redefining possibly souls-like games, or the standard for AI's in video-games.
But I don't see the survival part

[rare heart]

At its best itll be a better monster hunter

[tropic crag]

Well, you still survive against the dinos, right? And it's still the primary genre of the game (I think), survival-craft

If they reinvent any aspect of the game, they could claim as such and have it be technically true

[rare heart]

Ark had enough survival aspects to be sort of filling

Basic but not the focus

Focusing in the combat and dinosaurs themselves is def the best route

[stray elm]

I kind of like how ATLAS is doing their vitamin system now, and I kind of wish ARK-2 would implement it.
Basically, instead of annoyingly killing you, which makes it kind of a pointless system. (then refilling once you respawn) it'll give you debuffs, or buffs, depending on how well you treat yourself.
And these effects will pass on onto your next life, so you don't lose the debuffs or buffs from them.

[rare heart]

As long as they can improve upon the man vs beast trope it can be pretty good

something about extreme pve is just captivating

Why early game ark is the fun part of the game

And why far cry primal felt much better than it actually was

[stray elm]

Oh, I agree.
I don't doubt ARK-2 wont succeed in the captivating part.
I just don't think it'll be as 'reinventive' as they want with the survival aspects

[rare heart]

I never mentioned survival aspects

just what they list on their steam page is defining

I guess i said genre defining but i think thats vague

because ark just kinda exists inbetween

[stray elm]

Yeah, when you said 'genre defining' I thought you where talking about how they're marketing the game to be 'reinventive to the survival genre'

[rare heart]

I mean in terms of the ai animals it does IF they actually can pull it off

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that's what I meant as well

[rare heart]

One flaw most of the games has but isnt really a clear issue is that the ai will break eventually lol

[tropic crag]

Also, yeah, Ark do kinda be one of the survival/farmsim/RPG/MMO/FPS/RTS/PVP/PVE/etc. games of all time lmao

Forgot to add farming, actually

And survival

[stray elm]

Eh, not interiorly.
If they have a system in-place for ARK-2 that wipes the creatures from maps regularly, then that would keep their AI fresh from breaking.

[tropic crag]

Fixed it

[rare heart]

Most games especially ark have those impactful moments because man vs beast. But they die once you see how predictable it can be

Same applies for any game even the new forest game,

[stray elm]

ARK-1's issue is that they only have wild-creature wipes whenever a event is starting up.
They wipe all wild-dino's then new event colors can spawn

[rare heart]

Wipes was not what i was mainly referring too but sure

[stray elm]

You said the AI will eventually break, no?

[rare heart]

Breaking i should say, i mean bugs, simplistic, no charm

[stray elm]

Ahh, I thought you meant like the AI starting to break after X-amount of time of existing.

[rare heart]

Newer creatures are better though

that too

Sure

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about wipes

Wild-creature wipes is one solution that helps this issue.

[tropic crag]

He means moreso players finding a way to "break" the AI, more or less, I think

[nocturne raptor]

Is ark going to be released on April or May

[stray elm]

OOOOOH!!

[rare heart]

yeah

[nocturne raptor]

Is ark going to be released on April or May

[stray elm]

We don't know

[nocturne raptor]

Alr

[rare heart]

Also the ai behavior once you stop and actually pay attention doesnt feel like its trying to be alive

Ark 2 sounds way more promising in that regard

[tropic crag]

I have no doubt we'll see stuff like that in Ark 2, 100%

[nocturne raptor]

Imagine they say they added an anti cheat and 10 seconds later a Chinese dude already has everything learnt and finished the game

[rare heart]

anti cheat notoriously has work arounds

[stray elm]

ARK-1's AI are the most basic of the basic for a game.

[rare heart]

If a game is poorly made theyll be a way

[nocturne raptor]

True

[rare heart]

Ik and for its staple being dinosaurs when you care to invest your time into it loses soul

[tropic crag]

Not only self preservation, but pack mentality, and possibly even deeper things like mutual respect, truces during hard times to benefit both creatures, etc.

[stray elm]

Their behaviors are 'walk for 5-10 seconds, stop, find new spot and walk again' until they see you, then it's 'see's player, walk towards player, attack player, if player is not seen for x-amount of time, continue wander.'

[rare heart]

Majority of tames being the same method xd

give it brain damage

[tropic crag]

But I may be thinking a bit too far ahead of myself, here 😅

[rare heart]

Far cry primal has the best animal jumpscares though

I need some of that, also its confrontation animations i need too

animals that actually fight instead of sticking their heads into eachother until one dies

said every dinosaur game ever

so baffling every dinosaur game cannot escape having the most simplistic attack systems to date in the modern age xd

[tropic crag]

I mean, there's some out there that are better, just gotta look for em

You go looking intentionally for garbage, you're gonna find garbage lol

[rare heart]

i mean my highschool life was playing the dinosaur games i found most of them

ark had a variety so it wasnt as bad

and also i wasnt forced to be a dinosaur for hours like others

Favorite game where you play as the monster ever was evolve

but then i just started playing actual real mainstream games and everything was fine

open world games are still my favorite with red dead, skyrim, and far cry primal being the top

Far cry primal i like because of its aesthetics, in the end it it a copy and paste as always because ubisoft

Ark 2 i want to be good because on paper sounds like something never really been done before

[rare heart]

Fr

[tropic crag]

Hell, Ark 1 was basically what I wanted from a current Turok game, more dinosaurs, less dino men 😂

But yeah, Evolve is great, sad it had such a poor post-launch support plan

[stray elm]

I'm depressed no new Turok game is out

Last one we got was shit.

Classic Turok is literally proto-ARK.
Tribal-man fighting against both dinosaurs and aliens.

[tropic crag]

I'm depressed that the last good one you can only get as an emulation of a gamecube version with 0 upscaling or texture/mechanical fixes

[rare heart]

Me when we literally cant get any new dino media thats actually enjoyable since at least jurassic park 3 (even then)

Oh wait no nvm primal exists

i lied

I guess i define something as being able to be enjoyed for most of its existence

[raw bobcat]

So is it safe to say that Ark 2 will be better optimized then Ark 1, therefore being "easier to run?" Ik a lot of newer games are more demanding but ark 1 was already at that standard, so if Ark 2 is better, will it be overall smoother?

[stray elm]

We have no idea

[raw bobcat]

hm ok, and on another note, what actually makes ark 1 so laggy? like everyone says it is unoptimized but How??

[desert swallow]

giant bases make things laggy

[raw bobcat]

i play single

[stray elm]

In short, the game's coding was intended for a much, much smaller game then it is today. And by adding update to update onto it, it keeps straining it. (also official servers are run by Nitrado, which just naturally have shitty servers)
They had intentions to go back and revamp the coding, but this was halted due to a lawsuit.

[raw bobcat]

and i dont think that necessarily has anything to do with it until u use that variable

[raw bobcat]

Andddd thats why the base game is actually decent and all the dlcs make it annoyingly large right

[desert swallow]

that's disk space, not lag though

[stray elm]

That's due to poor compression.

[raw bobcat]

Still fits under the "unoptimized" category imo

[stray elm]

You're not wrong

[raw bobcat]

I mean yea, no run of the mill system is gonna run it perfectly but i feel that if it was optimized Ark 1 would be much more popular

so is it just poor coding in general?

[stray elm]

Yeah, more or less.
A team that never expected the game to get this large, and the biggest game they worked on before was a tower-defense game.

[raw bobcat]

Ohhhhh so its a story of amateur coders making it big

thats cool

[stray elm]

Basically.

[raw bobcat]

i mean isnt it kinda true that ark will make even a 3090 lag sometimes

[stray elm]

Eh, I have a 3060 and I'm fine.

[raw bobcat]

i have a 3050 Ti but its on a laptop. still very smooth even with mods

not a big stickler on quality so i mean i run it on medium with some settings edited

[hazy elm]

This game better not be $70 with a battle pass

[winged dome]

🍻

[nocturne raptor]

Ark will charge random maps for it for 20 pounds each

U seen how expensive the maps are on ark1?

[stray elm]

They're honestly not that expensive

20$ USD is pretty standard for a full expansion.

[nocturne raptor]

Ye

Should see cod..... 50 fucking pounds for 4 god damn characters

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's fucking outrageous.

Or 50$ USD for a WoW expansion

[nocturne raptor]

Price, ghost soap and farah, all dem for 50 pounds.... Activision is losing it tbh

I think its 74 pounds when not in offer

[stray elm]

They've been losing it.

A video-game shouldn't be 70$ USD.
I barely believe a game should be 60$ USD, but I'll accept it if it's the launch price, and it'll go down

You know fucking Black-Ops 2 is still 60$ USD on steam?

[nocturne raptor]

That's stupid

60 pounds?

[stray elm]

I have no idea in pounds

Pound sterling?

[nocturne raptor]

Cod is 2 and half star rated, maybe cuz they charge ridiculous amounts for stuff that can be easily obtained

Activision needs to go back and check their xbox 360.cods.... as those were more successful then the cods they are releasing

[stray elm]

Black-Ops 2 is a decade old game.
No 10+ year old game should be 60$ USD, unless it's a remake.

[stray elm]

Sadly, that's incorrect financially.

[nocturne raptor]

😔

[stray elm]

Newer CoD's have made more money then their old ones.

[nocturne raptor]

They care about money rather than entertainment

[limber marten]

Just got an email saying steam is being sued for exact thing. Big class action lawsuit

[stray elm]

That is literally every AAA-studio

[nocturne raptor]

Ikr😂

[stray elm]

Where?

[limber marten]

Hang on I’ll ss

[nocturne raptor]

Deadass Activision make more money than nfts

[stray elm]

And that'd be Activisions fault, not steams.
Activision is the one that put on the pricing.

[stray elm]

Seeing how NFT's don't make much money, that's not saying much

[nocturne raptor]

Won't be surprised if they drive bugattis

[nocturne raptor]

True true

Tbh Activision is a joke

Despite the hate their game is still very popular somehow

[limber marten]

Couldn’t find the email I got. But I think this was one of the websites. The link I had was for this year not sure which this is

[stray elm]

If steam was being sued, it'd be all over the place on the internet.

[limber marten]

I had it on fb and tic tok popping up so wasn’t sure. I sent you the link you can check it up see if it’s legit

[stray elm]

You haven't

[limber marten]

That’s how I found it I didn’t randomly come up with that

[stray elm]

No, I mean you haven't sent a link

Wait, yes you have

I fucking hate this new Discord system that I don't see a number on my tab.

[limber marten]

Dmd you I’ll send you the video I seen too

Could be fake I’ve just been seeing it

Could be a scam to get accounts too 👀

[stray elm]

Yeah, honestly I think that's more likely

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t say that, but it’s certainly dated. For 2015’s standard the AI was pretty compelling

But I agree with the Pax take WC had: ark 1 is a massive prototype. So I’m extremely curious what can be built upon design wise for the next title

[split dove]

When we first released ARK: Survival Evolved in 2015, we had no idea how big it would eventually become. It was beyond our wildest expectations that 7 years later we’d be developing an eons-spanning narrative across multiple games, a TV series, and starring none other than Vin Diesel as key ARK hero Santiago. And yet here we are, together with our wonderful players who have stuck with the ARK universe through thick (RAGNAROK!!) and thin (FLYER NERF??), now having a canvas far bigger than ever before. That’s what ARK 2 is – the biggest canvas ever for primal survival experiences, a next-generation framework to play out your own survival stories.

Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right. So in 2023 on Xbox & PC Game Pass, we’ll look forward to seeing you all in this new world of primeval creatures and legendary heroes. Just keep an eye out for Vin – he likes to play on his Series X more than you might expect, and his skill at wrangling a Giga is unequaled…

[ionic meteor]

Flobs memorized the whole founders note at this point

because of how many times he had to post it here

[split dove]

i got this shit on standby copy paste mode, and most of the stuff i could write down based off memory. but hey, pasting it in here is faster.

[rare heart]

Vin diesal can fight gigas with his bare hands?

Cwazy

[inland oak]

because Vin Diesal have family and which is Giga dont have it lol

[rare heart]

Isnt he like fat now tho

Dunno tho

[jaunty fable]

It doesn't get more basic than ARK AI, sorry. Wander around aimlessly, neutral or always aggressive, fight until you die(only updated and added to certain creatures), run into/fly over water if being tranq'd. What else is there? It really does not get more basic 😂

[rare heart]

Ye

even in 2015

Some wii games had better ai

Which for ark 1 is an issue but the game had a lot to do (its just how you did it was the fun part) so its overlooked

[blazing mango]

i just hope we get some nice 3rd person animations

for ark 2

and npcs

for story/immersion

[split dove]

we already know we're gonna have hostile npc's with the Aratai (orc looking humanoids) that will act as the hostile PvE force wich alongside the creatures they will use. Whether or not there will be friendly npc people besides Santiago and his daughter we do not know yet

Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world.

we might know a more specific release window and more with the ark franchise roadmap being shared on March 31st (this friday)

[past wind]

The truth is just around the corner

[blissful perch]

Ark creatures had an aggro category (for example wild raptors don’t target wild rex), they currently attempt to seek a valid path to their targets rather than plot a straight line, they stay in pack formations with reasonable accuracy, some apply their buffs (easiest example is wolves) before combat, etc. I’m not saying it’s ground breaking, but it’s not like it’s the bare minimum

In 2015 I can’t really name a survival game with better creature AI that wasn’t either a sim or had like 3 creatures, with the exception of subnautica (which has a small number of unique and robust AI behaviors, but also has the sort of “group AI” that ark uses for aggressive, neutral, and passive)

Maybe the forest? But I’ve never really seen them interact with non player characters

[split dove]

scroll down to the founders note portion

[untold ingot]

Its a random walk into a mediocre pathfinding on an event call, it's not that impressive in ark1 tbh

It's better than Conan though

[blissful perch]

Agree it’s not mind blowing

Circular detection radius be like

[split dove]

No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures.

i'm just posting it here so i don't have to later when someone else asks

[untold ingot]

Hopefully the pathfinding is better, but even if it's not the other improvements will make it nice

[split dove]

For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!
that's all they said about creature mechanics that isn't ai

[glacial mural]

Yo digo que en Ark 2 los personajes no caminen ni corran cojeando

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The fact they mentiones this indicates something truly special if they pull it off

This fact right here makes me probably the most upset that every game where the main focus are its creatures really cant do dynamic combat in any capacity

Its all so souless

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funny thing is that is what sets ARK apart from the other games of the same genre

it's more soul less to copy Dark Souls with nothing to set it apart

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Ark 1? No

Ark combat has no soul other than a massive variety

Its all the same, static

[jaunty fable]

And that is why all the Souls clones(with nothing new) are quickly forgotten.

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name one survival game that lets you take control everything that is trying to kill you

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Far cry primal? Idk

Unique, not good

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that is not everything

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Your reffering to the concept, i refer to what actually happens

as much as i love spamming left click into the enemy

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this proves the point

hell even From Software themselves dont want their new Armored Core sequel be a souls clone and kept what makes the game successful

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True

Never argued that wasnt bland as well

What i like is the dynamic attacks

which isnt really done by most games, ESPECIALLY dinosaur games

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if they just focused on all that fancy smanshy "souls combat" with nothing for what makes ARK, ARK then it will fail like other souls clones just like ATLAS with hardcore RPG

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doubt theyd do that?

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may depends

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atlas was just kinda…. Shat out

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but in defense they implemented some cool features for an ARK clone

it's just underrated

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ark 2 sounds like a game changing game

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that's pretty much how marketing does

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Its pretty good

the combat portion is probably the most eye drawing

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meanwhile valve shows off their new mechanics for CS 2 as a trailer

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Dinosaur games try to have fun combat challenge (impossible)