ark-2

[untold ingot]

Something like that

[split dove]

uhm no lol. that was the work of another gen 2 character called Nida, she made a quick ejection sequence but didn't have the chance to use it before presumably being killed by Rockwell. HNL-A uses that sequence in the final cutscene.

[vague bolt]

Ahhh that actually makes sense, I knew it was one of the survivors in the notes

[split dove]

Santiago just helped with other stuff on the ship before Rockwell came into the picture, santiago was stored in stasis after dying and only came out of stasis after the ring had ejected and started to drop pods onto Arat. he did make the Tek stryders we can tame and the events that Genesis Santiago experiences happen before the story on the Arks, as at that time the colony ship was helping make the ark stations before going off looking for a habitable world in space.

[vague bolt]

I had expected as much as Santiago da Costa having Engineering aptitude like Santiago Camacho

[civic kite]

thats my understanding of it yes

[mystic stream]

whens ark 2 up

and any1 know the price#

[civic kite]

hey sorry im a tad confused is the person you play as in gen 2 santiago or is he a helena like chacter being only seen in the lore ark 2 not withstanding

[covert tapir]

ever heard of google

[mystic stream]

its shi

[covert tapir]

we dont know anything

[mystic stream]

says nothing

said 2022

[covert tapir]

you play as you

the story already happened

most of it at least except for the ship crash and rockwell destruction in gen 2

[civic kite]

so santiago was already on the new planet

when your killing rockwell?

[winged dome]

🍻

[split dove]

currently just 2023, we might have a more exact date with the Ark franchise roadmap dropping on March 31st

[split dove]

no, everyone including santiago started dropping to the new planet after we killed Rockwell. during the cutscene the eden ring detaches and starts drifting towards Arat while the colony ship, rockwell and the rockwell ring blow up. after that we get the cutscene of Santiago waking up and dropping down to Arat in his pod alongside the other survivors and the events of Ark 2 start sometime after that.

[ionic meteor]

Something tells me, this is the easy part

[split dove]

''freaking dies upon crash impact''

[ionic meteor]

I mean the way santiago is just leaning on window.. he's not gonna survive that crash realistically speaking lol.

[split dove]

he's lucky if there's a backup ''clone for emergency crash situations'' pod in that dropship as well 😂

[civic kite]

Thank you

So Santiago is an npc like person like Helena

Or the outhers

[untold ingot]

Santiago is going to be Kelvin, but not brain dead

[blissful perch]

God I hope not

[civic kite]

Kelvin?

[blissful perch]

I hope Santiago has near zero relevance to “normal” sandbox play, and instead is only active and relevant in missions/story things

[blissful perch]

Sons of the forest npc helper

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that would be ideal

[blissful perch]

I’m very much interested in building my own ark progress. Always have been

[civic kite]

Ah I have not yet played want to complet the first game first

[blissful perch]

I like doing something myself solo then feeling like I can collaborate with others…feels like I earned the right to make it easier lol

[past wind]

Hence why I would like to see some kind of scalation (solo vs tribe). But I don’t know if it’s possible or how to do it.

[blissful perch]

Eh I’d argue it’s not needed to do it that way

[past wind]

Scalation: the more people doing anything, the harder

[blissful perch]

You have to do the reverse anyway. If you don’t incentivize groups, they don’t form

It takes effort to collaborate and trust people - and that effort needs payoff

[past wind]

I guess there are other incentives, outside pve.

My vision for scalation would work only for pve aspects

Like bosses, missions etc

But other aspects of the game would incentive groups

[blissful perch]

Ahhh. Yea anything instanced should be scaled in reward and difficulty to playercount

Similar to monster hunter or deep rock

[past wind]

Yeah, kinda like that

[vapid panther]

There will be a roll back and it will be like he never crashed to start with

[tardy onyx]

I wonder how those weird "evil" humanoid creatures will be implemented with the fact that they can tame their own dinosaurs. (I forgot what they are called)

[split dove]

''Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world.''
They're basicly gonna be the opposing force in PvE, sort of acting like semi pvp encounters for players to survive against in addition to the dinos, other prehistoric creatures and possible native alien life on the planet Arat.

[desert swallow]

I found this:

''Hostile 'Aratai' will also tranq you and drag you into a cage, you then may be transported to their base where they will handcuff you to a chair and collect your feces for fertilizer, thus forcing you to create a new character."

[split dove]

imagine if a ark 1 pvp player became a heavy influence in the dev team ☠️

[oak atlas]

My tribe is the mighty Ark Empire, these "Aratai" will know only destruction and pain when we arrive

[untold ingot]

Day 1 you'll be running around screaming being chased by a short aratai on a dodo

[oak atlas]

@untold ingot Well, I guess that all depends on whether we can transfer stuff from Ark 1 to Ark 2 hahaha

[untold ingot]

You can't, it's a new game, not a dlc

[split dove]

still baffles me some people actually think we can transfer stuff between 2 different games

[untold ingot]

It is baffling

Imagine they allow it just to troll, and everything gets set to a baby level 1

[split dove]

''deletes ark 1 gigas and everything with a ark 2 version''

[oak atlas]

I mean, other games have allowed your stuff to be carried over between instalments
Destiny for example
I don't think Ark II will I was kind of joking but I wonder if characters might in a way, maybe your levels can stay or something depending on what system they use for progression

But it seems like Ark II is gonna be completely different in just about every way so idk

[desert swallow]

Let's create brand new content and allow everyone to skip a big chunk of it.

[untold ingot]

Destiny works that way because it is 99.817% pve

[split dove]

Different doesn't always mean bad, a good sequel should always try to improve and add onto what the first one did. some changes like new combat, better traversal mechanics, new world events system, better creature ai, component based crafting and more are big improvements compared to their Ark 1 versions. some of these features alone are what sell me on Ark 2 likely being better than Ark 1.

[untold ingot]

In a pve shooter where the difficulty is basically the same you can port chars

[lime flicker]

I will be amassing my forces come day 1, storming the aratai stronghold with my army of otters

[split dove]

i'm just gonna leeroy jenkins my way trough their camp with a skull club

[lime flicker]

I feel like we’re underestimating the aratai and they are fully immobilized lmao

[split dove]

the aratai shield set had metal, while the survivor set had wood as it's main source. they might clown on us ngl lol

[blissful perch]

I’m wondering if they tame stuff in the wild or if they spawn with “allied tames” they just then mount

[untold ingot]

They probably Spawn in with allied stufd

[split dove]

my assumption atm is it might be a bit of both. most ''camps'' could have spawned allied tames, while they might tame them in the wild as well.

[blissful perch]

I assume as much too, but it’s possible they go the extra step

[desert swallow]

I'm thinking their patrols will be less armed, while their bases will be tough to conquer.

[blissful perch]

They may even have tiered bases where higher tier bases have better geared Aratai and stronger tames

[astral token]

We have another OP armour tho

Not tek thst is out, I am talking about ||plot armour||

[mint swan]

Hmmm Aight where’s my battle ax and spino we going to waaggghhhhh

[lucid gate]

Honestly, until we see gameplay, I am concerned. From the way they described it, Ark 2 sounds more like Conan Exiles than Ark. Maybe it's just me, but I feel a sequel should improve upon the good things about the first game, as opposed to re-inventing the wheel. I really hope Ark 2 doesn't throw away everything that made Ark 1 so good. A lot of games have made that pretty obvious mistake.

And the art looks great, but the fact we're seeing concept art as opposed to actual models has left me wondering how far into development the game even is

[mint swan]

Same but we will see once the road map comes out

[lucid gate]

Not to mention the fact PS5 is going to be completely excluded at launch, which is a platform that makes up a pretty sizeable portion of the playerbase for Ark 1

But that's another can of worms entirely

[covert tapir]

that is playstations fault tho

[frozen ice]

honestly curious if ark ai will fight eachother, like in ark 1 gigas and rexes chill cuz they got the same ai type, would be hella cool to see apex carnivores fighting eachother

[elfin pumice]

Yeah same, i dont like how all carnivores team up to kill you once they see you

[verbal wind]

i like how some mods have added hunger meters to predator aggression. if they just ate they won't charge after a new meal for a bit

[split dove]

The concept arts shown are already done in-game, it's just to tease before they show the gameplay. they're not really forced to give you anything but yet they do, even if it's not in the way you might want. with the roadmap coming on March 31st we might know about general time windows/dates for gameplay, more teases and release. the new combat, player traversal options and other improvements/additions were very much needed compared to their ark 1 versions (cookie clicker combat, flash speedsters and static world events)

[untold ingot]

3 days til what?

[split dove]

the roadmap is being shared on the 31st, you know that right?

[untold ingot]

We get nothing in 3 days

[inland oak]

yea I know

[untold ingot]

You can't troll the master trolls 🙄😂

[inland oak]

then you dint see the twit

[untold ingot]

What twit?

[inland oak]

roadmap I mean

nice!

[untold ingot]

The road map is the 31st.that is not in 3 days...

[wanton pike]

Yeah, she will be 10 years exactly in her grave and she is going to be dug up.

[worldly garden]

You making no sense. 🤣

[tropic crag]

Yeaaaaaah...

[broken flower]

Hype!!!

[worldly garden]

no

[tropic crag]

He tagged in his buddy, oh great 😑

[broken flower]

I'm confused?

No roadmap at all?

[tropic crag]

Almost boutta call the mods to delete this stupidity

Just throw the whole conversation away

Useless

[broken flower]

Where?

[broken flower]

You ain't got connections like that 🥱💀🙄

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah?

[twilit sky]

Keep on topic

[broken flower]

Bros actually that guy 💀

[twilit sky]

[broken flower]

Fair enough

[tropic crag]

[split dove]

☕

[broken flower]

In all seriousness tho, what is actually on the roadmap?

[astral token]

A map of roads

[broken flower]

Release dates to ark 2 and the series?

[astral token]

Roads taken by WC

[split dove]

Ark 1, Ark 2, the animated series and tsotf

[astral token]

Those roads will be mapped

[twilit sky]

It’ll tell us this most likely

[broken flower]

Ark 1 is already out silly 😂👍

Bros decades late

[twilit sky]

The ue5 update for ark 1

[broken flower]

I see

[split dove]

imagine not knowing what's coming next for Ark 1, you silly sausage. i might just scoop you idiots up, cook you and up the average iq in here

[broken flower]

I'll have you know I've been contacted to work on ark 2 and can permanently blacklist thee

[split dove]

''i know someone at wildcard 🤓''

[broken flower]

I'd speak with higher respect, flobes

[astral token]

Proof?

[split dove]

i have no need to step down to your lvl of negative iq.

[broken flower]

You you really need proof??

Bro had to retype his message 💀

[astral token]

Actually now that you say it I know you’re lying so no thanks

[split dove]

Proof?
Source?
Maidens?

none

[broken flower]

My blacklist grows larger 😈

[astral token]

My source is that I made it the fuck up points rock launcher

[tropic crag]

Bro had to use the same unfunny joke over and over again because he's just a troll who's been bested 💀

[broken flower]

Nah I'm soloing this 3v1 easy 🙄

[split dove]

i'm fighting the dumbest of all dummies over here Jack

[astral token]

I’m sorry we’re fighting you??

Sorry we don’t fight people who have less than average IQ

[split dove]

he's schitzo like lotus it seems

[tropic crag]

By derailing the conversation again, after having been asked to stay on topic by a mod? Ok buddy lmao

But GG I guess

But not the typical GG, this one slightly different, as it stands for a classic saying in the gamer community; git gud

[broken flower]

Aw, one sec, my mansion needs tending to

[lime flicker]

We as a community are blacklisting you to the aratai tribes to live the rest of your days

[astral token]

RIP

[split dove]

toss him into the conveyer belt to decompose

[lime flicker]

lol

[broken flower]

Boogeyman you're in need of a paper bag

[tropic crag]

You're in need of a brain

[astral token]

Yeah looking at your messages is too cringe something to cover my eyes is needed

[split dove]

we'd need to go subatomic for that one chief

[broken flower]

My bad...

Hahaha

First actual good roast tbh

Thoughts on ark 2 roadmap?

[astral token]

We give thoughts only on things which exist sorry

[broken flower]

Eh?

[astral token]

We’ll review the graphics design intricately when it drops don’t worry

[astral token]

My point being how are we supposed to give thoughts on something ehich we don’t know about💀

[broken flower]

I think flabs was dropped

[astral token]

???

[broken flower]

Flobs, Mt bad

[lime flicker]

I feel like the roadmap will have all the estimated release dates except ark 2, just a feeling

[astral token]

Quit drugs bro it’ll end up ruining you

[split dove]

he's already off worse then Lotus ever could be

[ionic meteor]

TBA

[broken flower]

Who's lotus?

[astral token]

You but with a positive IQ score

[tropic crag]

That does bring up an interesting point, I wonder what medium the roadmap will be presented in... just a simple picture? A whole video presentation? A guided stream with irl interactivity, like ExtraLife?

[bold juniper]

Lotus, boy I love smoking lotus on Conan

[astral token]

A video or img is my guess

[tropic crag]

Eh, idk about positive, maybe a net zero IQ

[split dove]

might be revealed in this crunch

[bold juniper]

How y’all feel bout big spider

[split dove]

good

[tropic crag]

Good point, didn't think about that tbh

[broken flower]

I hope flobs finds it in his shower

[bold juniper]

I like spiders

[ionic meteor]

Just an image I think, although I would love for them to do a stream discussing the roadmap.

[bold juniper]

Australian moment

[split dove]

you'd need to find your dad first, i will show up eventually if you become even more of a ark chatter

[bold juniper]

[split dove]

i'd find a waffle in my shower before i ever see a spider there

[tropic crag]

I do too, always wanted to make an araneo army, but even after breeding buff they're still weak af without mod or stat assistance. Really quite excited to see how they function in their new (cool as fuck) form

[bold juniper]

[astral token]

Instead of dying like u he’ll tame it with some spoiled meat probably

[bold juniper]

Swarm lord, command an army of tiny spiders

[tropic crag]

(He's Belgian, dat's de joke)

[bold juniper]

Oh so he baths in syrup

[tropic crag]

YEEES

[split dove]

you uncultured idiots

[bold juniper]

Whilst sitting on the ceeiling

[broken flower]

Bro spelt uncultured wrong 💀💀

[bold juniper]

You could shoot a web that immobilizes then have the tinies eat them

[broken flower]

And had the word idiot next to it

Edited the message and still got it wrong 🤣

[bold juniper]

It’s like stuttering your argument is now invalid

[broken flower]

That's what I'm saying

I'm glad we agree

[tropic crag]

Very observant! Here's a cookie! 🍪 Or would you like a gold star, sweaty? ⭐

[bold juniper]

I don’t make the rules I just enforce them

[broken flower]

I'd prefer the cookie

Sweaty 💀

[bold juniper]

I’d prefer a star, you know how much value I could get selling its resources

[tropic crag]

It's the way I spell sweetie, because most of the time it's sarcastic anyways

[broken flower]

I see

What type of cookie btw?

I'd like to review my options

[bold juniper]

Raisin

[broken flower]

Nahhh

[bold juniper]

Oatmeal

[tropic crag]

A mud cookie

[broken flower]

Whattt

This is horrible

[split dove]

as much as you deserve

[bold juniper]

🪦

[tropic crag]

Anywho, this is getting off-topic again, aka useless to converse in. Buh-bye for now, my sweats

[bold juniper]

🧠🪦

[broken flower]

I'd choose oatmeal

[split dove]

that one is 20 years out of date

[broken flower]

Damn

Is the gold star made of of real gold?

[split dove]

no, depleted uranium

[broken flower]

These rewards for my service aren't the greatest

[ionic meteor]

What has this chat become 💀

[broken flower]

Ikr 🙄

[astral token]

nebberrz trying to prove he has a brain and failing

[split dove]

this is what happens when ark chatters get in here

[broken flower]

All flabs doing if you ask me

[split dove]

can't even spell my name after our convo smh

[broken flower]

Flabs, maybe open a box of chill pills 🥶

You're getting heated

[split dove]

[broken flower]

Guys a got a distinction on my mock exam 😀

[blissful perch]

Had someone breached general?

[split dove]

pretty obvious

[blissful perch]

Oof. Try mentioning that ark 2 is confirmed PvE only with no official servers

That usually causes a short circuit meltdown and a return to containment

[split dove]

i can't wait for Ark 2 to be a pve only story game, perfect for the normal people here. We just keep the people from general pvp and official in the mental asylum called Ark 1

[winged lagoon]

e

[winged lagoon]

I'm to poor to buy ark 2 I'm just staying to play first ark

[split dove]

what platform do you play it on?

[winged lagoon]

You mean country

[split dove]

no like playstation, xbox or pc

[winged lagoon]

Pc

[split dove]

Ark 2 is gonna be a early access title, so it should normally cost less than a normal $60-70 game

[winged lagoon]

did you know that I got ark for free

Becouse it was once for free on steam

And epic

And I got on epic and steam

[astral token]

Yet you’re giving $10 a month to discord

For 6 months spend $3 instead of $10 in discord and you’ll have enough money probably 👀

@fallow niche this is getting very tiring

[broken flower]

😢

[fallow niche]

Keep it on topic and sfw

[astral token]

Speaking of we actually haven’t seen any hadrosaurids or maisaurids for ARK II

[blissful perch]

Parasaur was in the cave art

Therefore it’s confirmed as ark 2’s final boss

[astral token]

Fr

[worldly garden]

Speaking of bosses, I don't think the Island bosses will be returning.

[split dove]

first we need to kill the trike sub-boss to summon it

[astral token]

Not as “bosses” probably, there will definitely be some draconic species, and we alr saw big spooder

[worldly garden]

the spider is the Araneo though, just different.

[astral token]

As I said not exactly as what they were but definitely something older players will relate to

[turbid ingot]

Strange question but do you know if they will have a simple save button in solo game play for ark 2?

[blissful perch]

I hope that if they do it’s as minibosses

I’d prefer formal bosses be something we haven’t seen before

[fallow niche]

We don't know yet

[brittle coyote]

I'm having a hard time understanding how updating the mechanics of ARK to make it more unique and dynamic as well as make it feel more challenging and complex somehow not make it ARK? Wildcard has access to a new generation engine, more resources, and a better understanding of code now. Why wouldn't they utilize that to improve the gameplay, create more content that the community wants, while also moving onto something that feels new but still true to the realm of ARK? You guys are getting better quality, better mechanics, better creature AI, and not to mention loads of more content that is still true to the lore of ARK. I'm super excited with where ARK II is taking us, and honestly, I don't care if some of the ideas seem "simular" to other games because "simular" doesn't mean exact copy. Plus, a lot of ideas and concepts summarized for what is coming with ARK II is stuff I have seen being demanded by the community to be put in ARK over and over again. Personally, I think Wilcard is taking into consideration the communities wants more than players give them credit for.

Anyway, vent over. Lol!

[covert tapir]

who is waffles

[split dove]

🔫

[split dove]

some people also fail to realise why first person view isn't included. i'm sure they tried to add first person, but they likely couldn't implement it as well compared to TPO due to the new player mechanics being more suited to third person only. but no, wildcard should obviously include first person even if it doesn't work to please the whining people that don't want to use mods or want to adapt to change and improvement.

[blissful perch]

I do think one issue here is that some folks don’t seem to understand that cutting first person was not a technical choice but a design choice

It was possible to add first person, but it didn’t work well with the design and gameplay intentions for ark 2. I think folks on both sides of that debate whiff on this point

[split dove]

it's obviously a design choice, but as we've discussed multiple times they likely tried to add it first but it didn't end up working out 😅

[jaunty fable]

You thinking in terms of being able to have multiple save games on the same map?
Because the save button is simply the exit game button right now.

[lime flicker]

I like third person more lol, but just an opinion

[split dove]

i'm not super bummed about losing first, as the other improvements make it worth it imo. all you would basicly use first person over third in Ark 1 would be aiming/shooting and building mostly.

[jaunty fable]

I think a lot of people are looking at ARK 1s third person mode and thinking that's what the game is going to be like but it'll be different.
In ARK you literally can't tell how far forward your spear is reaching in first person 😅 it's not a third person game. But take any other third person game with a proper camera angle and actual combat(not swing until the thing in front of you dies) and it feels far better.

[split dove]

🙏

[tropic crag]

Which were already eluded to as being born from the Broodmother in their dossier, sort of, but

[jaunty fable]

And then they lived on, leaving mommy behind, getting families of their own 😃

[tropic crag]

I do agree that we'll most likely not see the OG bosses, at least not exactly as they were, if at all

[jaunty fable]

I'm pretty excited for boss fights in ARK 2. Having played Monster Hunter World a lot. Any of the bigger monsters could be a boss on its own in any other game.
Imagining the Brood, MegaP, Dragon, Manticore, having such active fights 😳
If anything modders could have fun with them.

[worldly garden]

Yeah considering the Araneomorphus is the last remnant of an ancient power that suggests the actual broodmother won't be in it in any shape or form, and possibly the other bosses. The Araneo will just be a close but small resemblance.

[tropic crag]

For sure

[untold totem]

Broodsmaller

[past wind]

TBF I hope the old bosses and their metas are gone for good 😂

I want something more complex than that (not meaning harder to beat, but just more complex than autoclicking).

[tropic forge]

so by your definition an fps is autoclicking?

[vague bolt]

I dunno about that but, Gen1 boss had me crap my pants in panic and running marathons for 3 things at the same time alot 👀

But I do agree for one thing, I would love that if there are boss encounters in ARK 2: full of lore and cinematic transitions

[past wind]

I never played cs or cod with an autoclick. But I played Ark a lot using autoclick. From farming to beating the bosses.

[past wind]

Gen 1 and Gen 2 bosses are good indeed

Im talking about the other bosses, on the other maps

[tropic forge]

did you solo bosses or were you the leader commanding most dinos for freebies or tribe?

[split dove]

only pre-genesis boss that was a bit complex and unique was Rockwell

[vague bolt]

Yeah but lets be real, when ARK began they were kinda an indie company 🤣 look at them now

[past wind]

Both. Just autoclicking until they die.

[tropic forge]

well if we are talking about island bosses than yeh kinda dragon still aint just stop and click from beginning till end

[past wind]

True, I forgot about Aberration. But that was ascension, not a boss per say

[tropic forge]

hard to believe that on ascensions and gens

[past wind]

Im talking about the bosses, not ascensions

Ascensions are good

[tropic forge]

well you cant say manticore is autoclick

same whit crystal queen

[past wind]

It is tho

It lands and then autoclick spam

[winged dome]

🍻

[tropic forge]

ho when it lands, what happens if dosent want to land and time runs out?

[past wind]

Autoclick with a pump

[tropic forge]

than fps for you is autoclick

[past wind]

No, it’s not. Ark is

[tropic forge]

you should try play cod or any fps game whit autoclick

[past wind]

When you pvp, riding a dino, it’s autoclick

Farming is autoclick

Bosses are autoclick

The Ark meta is autocliking all around

[tropic forge]

humm pvp=autoclick? 🤔

[past wind]

Basically yeah, unless you are on foot.

[tropic forge]

that sounds a lot of aim bots but i aint a pvp guy so yeh

[past wind]

Not at all, aimbot is completely different

Im talking about general aspects of the game

It’s too much repetitive

But, well, I don’t like

If most of the gamers like it that way, well, keep it that way

Im just saying I would like it differently

[vague bolt]

I was a huge fan of the missions in Genesis, and I would love to see a variety of them in ARK II, something to keep me distracted and occupied during the resource acquisitional sprees 🤣 \

Just don't ever bring back that horrible horrible canoe mission from Gen 2, if I were to see that in ARK II, immediate screams of "No" followed by realization and at last- acceptance

[split dove]

seems that the world event system is gonna be the replacement in Ark 2, we might have quests/missions from Santiago as well.

[tropic forge]

or races it was hell

[tropic forge]

fine whit that as long dosent pull a "Another settlement needs your help, I'll mark on your map."

[cobalt orchid]

Dodo saddle

[rare heart]

A megalania that doesnt suck or is reduced to caves

[tropic crag]

Honestly, megalania could stay out for all I care, as long as we get rock drakes or an equivalent

Pretty useless once you get drakes or any other wallclimber dino

[rare heart]

I dont see rock drakes coming back in the base game though idk

[tropic crag]

I'd hope most of the popular creatures would be base, and that the base roster would be at least double that of Ark 1 by the time the game releases, so

[rare heart]

I doubt that if the animals are supposed to have dynamic combat and behaviors

1 was able to poop out dinosaurs in early access so fast because they added atleast 1 borderline unique ability to each.

[tropic crag]

Well, sure, I guess

[rare heart]

Not saying that dlc dinosaurs wont be in base game but i doubt the roster will be near ark 1’s roster count at launch

IF the creatures are designed how they are advertising it….

[tropic crag]

They've already said something along the line of the starting roster being about 60 creatures or so, iirc

@split dove , pull that shit up (please)

[split dove]

you guys, the launch roster will be six sick

idk when in the stream it was, and i don't want to rewatch it for that

[rare heart]

Oh so there was an actual roster?

[tropic crag]

An estimate/rough number, yeah

Pretty sure, at least

Was that PAX or ExtraLife or what @split dove ?

Kinda wanna look now

[split dove]

Pax west? the stream from september

[rare heart]

So not a roster just a estimation

[split dove]

i'v looked on their twitch and i'm not seeing the pax stream anymore

[tropic crag]

It'll be on their youtube, twitch deletes VODs after a few weeks like the piss babies they are

[split dove]

just 3 clips, but none regarding the potential dino count

[tropic crag]

Hmmmmmm

I'll keep looking, it's bound to be somewhere

[broken flower]

will coelacanth be in ark 2?

[split dove]

-__-

[rare heart]

Now that is a forgettable creature xd

[broken flower]

its my fav dinosaur

[tropic crag]

May be on another channel, like one of the people who recorded themselves streaming WC's stream

[rare heart]

i hope it gets to be an actual coelocanth and not a schooling feeder fish

[lime forge]

They didn’t even say how many would be on the roster. It came up and the dev talking about it started to say something that sounded like 6 and then caught himself.

[rare heart]

I mean tbh 6 makes some sense if somehow the ai and the dino kits are actually that dynamic

For an early access game that is

[tropic forge]

reapers huu huu

[lime flicker]

We need swamp fever strain #2

[rare heart]

We need tape worms in ark 2

[lime flicker]

except make it extremely hard to get the disease, but once you do you become super mutant and have alien abilities

[split dove]

hmm let's see: Rex, Raptor, Carno, Dodo, Anky, Brachio, Stego, Araneo, Pteradons, Aratai and the plant lizard, definitely more than 6

[rare heart]

Who said those were in at the start

[covert tapir]

what

[tropic forge]

would be wierd showing them on trailers and concept arts just not to have them

[split dove]

that's some Ark player logic at it's finest

[covert tapir]

if you think a release with 6 creatures is something ANY game you need to restart your brain xd

[wintry urchin]

Nah most forgettable is Archaeoptyerx or the Ammonite

Or maybe pachy

[tropic forge]

got a better one

[wintry urchin]

Which

[tropic forge]

the diplo something, that lizard that gives air in water

[wintry urchin]

Diplocaulus or whatever?

[tropic forge]

the flat head lizard 🤣

[wintry urchin]

I see those and think they're funny, and they're memorable

[tropic forge]

almost no ark player remembers then 🤣

[rare heart]

Not memorable in any capacity

[covert tapir]

its adorable

if it lived outside of the swamp maybe people could make use of it

[rare heart]

Those dinos like arch, diplocaulus, and ammonite are just subjected arks early access shitty creature factory

Onyc? I guess too

[tropic forge]

ammonite aside from being a thing in scientific community was also to give that rage dart

[wintry urchin]

Onyc are annoying as fuck though so people remember them

Like the leeches and ants and such

[rare heart]

Arent you able to tame onyc…. Or has that been long removed

[wintry urchin]

I wanna say u can but they're useless

[tropic forge]

but the flat head lizard only gives meat hide and after tame a way to breath underwater so almost no one give a crap about that lizard

[wintry urchin]

Can't ride them and like tamed megalania they don't give the debuffs

[split dove]

all the concept art for creatures shown has revealed to already have been done in-game, they just give the art itself to indicate what it will look like before the gameplay is shared.

[tropic crag]

The onyc do keep the armor break feature after tame, so they're good for using as an ambush tame inside a base (or, they were, back in the day)

[ionic meteor]

I rewatched it recently, he did say "s-" like you told me, it could also be 70 or 60.

[split dove]

timestamp?

[ionic meteor]

not exactly that timestamp but around it.

[wintry urchin]

I dont think that would ever actually work in pvp

At least not these days

[ionic meteor]

1:33:35 in raas's reaction video

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it used to, but eventually people wised up about it

[wintry urchin]

Net guns were invented

[tropic crag]

That too

Did onyc get included in the breeding TLC? I can't remember. Also, hope that the desmodus makes it into Ark 2 over the onyc either way lol

[broken flower]

I'd leave ark 2 a bad review if they didn't include the Coelacanth

[tropic crag]

I'd leave you a bad review if it were possible, but like Ark 2, that tech ain't out yet

[broken flower]

When will ark 2 come out?

[winged dome]

🍻

[fallow niche]

2023, but we may know more when the roadmap releases on the 31st/1st.

[tropic forge]

lizard plant sounds more real compare to that roadmap

[rare heart]

Item creatures i cant wait

I need a shoulder pet snake

Where i gotta use a flute to tame it or some bullshit

[desert swallow]

sounds like bullshit

[tame hull]

Ark 2

Ark 2

[tame hull]

🤯

Now you got a idea what ark 2 is gonna be like, your welcome.

[winged dome]

People quoting themselves and repetitive nonsense?
Yeah, actually sounds about right

[rare heart]

Erm sounds like fricking awesomeness actually 😎

I like it when shoulder pets have an actual fricking function

[tardy onyx]

The Ark 2 steam page says that the combat will have special attacks, I wonder how this is going to affect PVP

[bold juniper]

I wish we could post gifs

Specials can be alt attacks, like Conan has four diff combos you can do

Katana and sword also have a fifth special attack instead of kicking

[tardy onyx]

Katana? Since when?!

[bold juniper]

Katana goes into a standing point and charges a attack, an audio q happens at full power

But special attacks aren’t bad they creat diversity for weapon combos so that they ain’t super ez to predict and readable

[split dove]

it's gonna affect it by combat actually taking skill and not being ''whoever spams the most wins''

[untold ingot]

Unless the q dagger spam is a thing lol

[untold totem]

People go for left click spam anyways once they have the meta tier components

[past wind]

Assassins Creed like combat system, I like it. For real.

At least I think it’s better than Ark 1

Instead of spam click the mouse, we will have to use other keys and buttons.

And that’s not sarcasm, I really think the current system is 💩

[tropic crag]

Fricking

That is all

Carry on

[stray elm]

'Fricking frick!'
'Why wont you learn, that your actions have consequences!!!'

[tropic crag]

Love sonic kid, so funny

[potent hull]

is it next week yet lol

[blissful perch]

@tropic crag TLDR me pls?

[jaunty fable]

We shall see. Elden Ring meta builds are a thing. You certainly don't win by spamming light attack 😂
Plus, Wildcard can easily change spamming to be far less effective if it turns out to be the most effective 😅

[blissful perch]

Spamming is usually easily punished by any sort of block parry or dodge mechanic

Obviously a single meta build is boring, but it’s a different sort of boring from combat being mechanically boring

[stray elm]

Tell me you don't play souls-games without telling me you don't play souls-games

[verbal wind]

i've been playing souls games for years and have not mastered the shield parry

but my block and dodge game is strong

[lime flicker]

Not sure what I think about the vid uploaded by “complete games” 2 days ago. Making it seem that WC scrapped ark 2 to switch it back to 1st person lol.

[untold ingot]

If spam click is a thing, it is the meta lol

[stray elm]

For simple enemies, sure.
But pull that shit on an experienced player, or a boss, then you're gonna get your ass wooped

(I know this the hard way)

[potent hull]

sow ho building a ship in ark 2 day one to go back home of the new home planet

[untold ingot]

I mean, I found out that Conan has a function with daggers that you just q then click spam and occasionally do dodges. I used it and deleted one of the second tier bosses

[stray elm]

Conan is a great example of what a souls-like in survival games are.
Not a great example for balance.....

Daggers are broken in Conan

[untold ingot]

True, but it's the one I have experience with, so I have to use it as a baseline

[stray elm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough.
But I meant more like pulling that shit in Dark-Souls 1.
First boss, did that and it worked.
Second boss, instantly fucking smashed my ass into the concrete after I tried to pull the same shit.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I have heard that ds is quite skill based. It all would depend on how good the combat system is whether ark2 will be like ds or conan

I think somewhere in the middle is probably ideal

[verbal wind]

souls games usually have a learning curve

it's easy to hit a wall, especially in DS1 and Sekiro

[untold ingot]

Not super easy, but not super difficult either, because ark isn't a sp game that you can continously reload

[rare heart]

Red dead first person is cursed idk

[stray elm]

Which is what I hope Wildcard takes into account.
When they say 'souls-like' combat, I hope they don't just do what Conan did and just have the mechanics in there. But actually balance the gameplay with said mechanics.

[untold totem]

Meanwhile I got bodied by my friend who weild a great sword while I use daggers

[stray elm]

Honestly, if ARK-2 is a survival building/taming version of Elden-Ring, I'll be happy.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, the balance is necessary, but the skill gap can't be quite as high as a legit souls game

[untold ingot]

I have never played elden ring, (mainly because cost and I don't like the art style), but I want ark2 to be a better Conan, which I think is the same basic thing 😂😂

[stray elm]

Fair.
Which is probably why the skill-gap should be scaled for PvP situations.
But they could get away with the 'Git Gud' attitude for the PvE elements.

[verbal wind]

let's hope it's more balanced than Conan. i've heard that the bosses are simple enough but doing them solo can take forever because they expect the dps of like 5 people

[stray elm]

Basically imagine what you know about Dark-Souls, and slap a open-world and a horse into the gameplay. (with minor stealth system)

[untold ingot]

Pve players on ark are way less try hard than in a souls game, so that could be an issue if they go with a full git gud perspective

[verbal wind]

Elden Ring is fantastic btw

[stray elm]

Yeaaah.
Weapons in general are just odd in that game

[untold ingot]

I have seen videos

[verbal wind]

i dunno if it's just experience but it's easy to learn the basics and a very fluid system

[untold ingot]

Conan is literally afk simulator for bosses

[stray elm]

Honestly, I just want that mentality with bosses.
Beside the CMC, they're all so fucking easy in ARK-1

[verbal wind]

cmc was more intense and fun than i thought it would be

[untold ingot]

With bosses and caves and loot areas 100%. But fighting a raptor or basic aratai should not feel as rough as a ds fight

[verbal wind]

from videos i watched it looked like a clusterfuck

[untold ingot]

It was by far the best boss fight in the entire game

[verbal wind]

too bad the rest of gen 1 couldn't be that good

[stray elm]

Honestly, Aratai camps should also be like that.
Random Aratai's should be easy-ish. But if you're invading a camp, that shit should be hard.

[untold ingot]

I mean, if gen1 got a remake to gen2 mission quality i think it would be

[untold ingot]

Yeees, but maybe not souls level hard

There needs to be a little more room for error

[verbal wind]

souls isn't hard per se, it's just unforgiving

[stray elm]

I still like the idea of having the loot-crate system as a raiding system.
Having to wipe out different tiered camps to get different tiered loot.

[stray elm]

Biggest moto for the games. "Easy to learn, hard to master."

[untold ingot]

It had little room for error, and it expects you to get rolled over

[verbal wind]

yeah

you will die time and time and time and time again

like ark

[untold ingot]

Ark shouldnt expect you to get rolled over by everything, because that would make pvp absolutely terrible

[verbal wind]

i never really cared much for pvp so I couldn't say what would or wouldn't make it better

[stray elm]

Took me like 15 tries till I was able to beat the first boss of Elden Ring.

[verbal wind]

took me a few tries

[untold ingot]

If your pvp fight gets stopped because a raptor walks in and 2 shots you, that is bad design

[verbal wind]

the one boss i actually got stuck on was Malenia

[untold ingot]

Yeah it shouldn't be that bad in ark2

[stray elm]

Yeah, I agree.
More like 10 tries

[verbal wind]

15 tries should wait until endgame

[untold ingot]

I am thinking more like 2 or 3

[stray elm]

5

[verbal wind]

and hopefully not as punishing as a boss wipe can be in ark 1

[untold ingot]

Ark in terms or resource and kit is more unforgiving than ds games

Losing a boss fight 15 times in ark is a way bigger setback than in a ds game

[verbal wind]

ark boss fights encourage you to go overkill

[untold ingot]

At least as I understand it

[verbal wind]

i like how the easiest difficulty can more or less be done with wild tames if you know what you're doing

[untold ingot]

The prep for a single ark boss fight, (from having lines and bps already there) can take like a week minimum on official, if not more. From raising your army to farming saddles. If the game expected you to fail 15 times, that would be waaaay to much

Ds might be skill based, but it doesn't expect you to spend a week in prep after every failed attempt

[verbal wind]

yeah, it's meant to be more fast paced. but because Ark is a building game too it expects you to grind and have downtime

[split dove]

Actual tinfoil hat moment lmao. Why would they add first person back when they said mods can do that. They won't change their design choice for a few people. It's also not scrapped as it's being shared/discussed on the roadmap later this month.

[untold ingot]

I mean, yeah. But that same grind makes it so it has to be less unforgiving in the skill based combat area of gameplay

[blissful perch]

Categorically false

[untold ingot]

Lol, what

[blissful perch]

It was not easy for me (first time souls player) to figure out any of the mechanics outside of combat. Primary reason I dropped the game

[blissful perch]

Ugh I read PvP

[untold ingot]

You gotta give me more context here lol. If you are saying pve ark players are try hard, I would say I have never met a try hard pve player

[blissful perch]

I’m reading backlog so it takes a second 😎

[untold ingot]

People play pve because they don't want to tryhard

[blissful perch]

Well see above - I misread

[untold ingot]

All good lol

[thorn willow]

Bruh wtf Ark 2 is delayed till 2025 they tweeted it out THATS SO SHIT MAN

[split dove]

Is your source the sad lying clickbaiting Nooblets?

[untold ingot]

You follow the wrong tweets

[split dove]

Average -31 iq ark chatter moment

[blissful perch]

What’s the tweet? I need to see the chaos

[split dove]

Fake news

[stray elm]

Fake.

[south lance]

goofy ahh

ark2 is releasing tomorrow

[split dove]

No no, it's releasing on March 31st

[south lance]

wait i forgor i need a twitter account to be correct

its actually releasing on april 1st because its gonna prank everyone ( intense gaming addiction)

[blissful perch]

yea, hence the chaos

[split dove]

Popcorn?

🍿

[split dove]

Goofy ahh ark chatter moment

[split dove]

"We're actually releasing Ark 2 tomorrow just to prove some of you dummies wrong"

[south lance]

"but i hate all these half finished buggy games!!!"

oh no, the bugs are a feature we kept just for you

games finished

completely

[lime flicker]

What do y’all think the preorders will be called

[stray elm]

I hope none

I don't recall any early-access game being pre-ordable?

[lime flicker]

Oh idk I was assuming

I’ll be preordering if it is available

[stray elm]

I'd rather not

I'd rather actually see gameplay footage from other Youtubers before buying the game.
I pre-ordered both Fallout 76 and Mass-Effect: Andromeda.
Never again

[lime flicker]

Oh yeah yeah I need to see gameplay first too, hoping it’s soon. My last preorder was anthem 😭

[lucid gate]

Never said it was anyone's fault, just that it was an unfortunate fact.

[rare heart]

I never preorder open world story games

Like idk the content is always rather unappealing

Unless its multiplayer or those genres

*not those genres

[molten haven]

How do I kill a carno in ark? It be killing my tames 😭💔

[rare heart]

Gun

Idk

Any weapon?

from a high place?

Wrong chat?

[rapid sun]

Wait is Ark 2 gonna release in early access like ark?

[stray elm]

Yes

[potent marten]

When Ark2 show?

[stray elm]

2039

[oak atlas]

I know everyone's excited for Ark II but I'm really not expecting anything special
WildCard don't exactly have the best track record

[potent marten]

Some guys said will show on 31th March

Really?

[untold ingot]

I mean, they doo. Most releases are on time or fairly close. It's just a couple major ones that have delayed

[untold ingot]

Check the #766826918803800074 channel.

[stray elm]

Who's everyone?

I'm 'looking forward' to ARK-2. But I'm nowhere near excited.
Need actual gameplay and a definitive release date for me to feel that.

[winged dome]

🍻

[winged dome]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Lot of what the devs have described sound good, but some things I'm a little concerned about until I see some gameplay or know better how mechanics interact with each other

[oak atlas]

@untold ingot I'm not talking about delays, I'm talking about actually releasing complete games that aren't broken on release. WildCard have yet to prove that they can do that.

[tropic crag]

So have like, every other game company these days, lmao

Besides like the Hogwarts game team, I guess

[lime forge]

Nah man. Literally every developer launches flawless games except wildcard

[untold ingot]

They have 2 games lol

[haughty ore]

said no one ever

[tropic crag]

Another thing too, they released it (Ark 1) in early access intentionally, knowing they wouldn't be able to complete it and have it be good without at least some player feedback. Besides, those games turn out better than most anyways, they usually implement player ideas and interact with their community a lot (which is good btw, you want that and is a sign of a good developer)

[lime forge]

Hogwarts kind of sucks. Once you get past the nostalgia and look at the gameplay and story it’s self it’s subpar at best.

[tropic crag]

Eh, it's fun imo, but I also like skill based combat

[lime forge]

I definitely wouldn’t consider the combat skill based. Even on the highest difficulty the game is obnoxiously easy. Ffs they give you a spell that kills anything instantly. With talents it’ll one shot every enemy in the fight.

[untold ingot]

I would guess that's why it's sp only lol

They are trying to profit off hype and nostalgia, not good gameplay

[tropic crag]

I think it's fine, but either way this is faaaaar off topic

[lime forge]

I’ll care when Bee yells at me for it, and not a moment sooner

[broken flower]

I heard a rumour that coelacanth was the next ark 2 concept art to be shown

[covert tapir]

considering coelacanth could get to MASSIVE sizes i wouldnt be mad

ok i just read, not as massive as i thought but like 2m

[verbal wind]

still a big feesh

[blissful perch]

I think it’s a good game for casual players. But from my brief experience yes I think it’s too easy for a seasoned gamer

[worldly garden]

👀

[blissful perch]

Would love to see more ancient fish like Materpiscis or xiapthactus

[split dove]

They are showing the Ark franchise roadmap on March 31st, included should be Ark 1, Ark 2, The animated series and TSoTF (survival of the fittest). This could include dates/release windows for stuff like gameplay, more teasers, release. Alongside with news about Ark 1's UE5 update, the animated series platform and release date of season 1 and potentially season 2.

[broken flower]

Will they release my urge to tape my thumbs to my chest and pretend I'm a t-rex?

[blissful perch]

Imagine needing tape to mimic one of the most impressive carnivores to ever live

[broken flower]

It's helps with the immersion

[lime flicker]

lol

“Rawr”

[broken flower]

Still waiting on that paper bag boogy

[lime flicker]

I plan to use this face to spread fear among the aratai

[broken flower]

Vin diesel ain't gonna be letting you into his family 💀

[desert swallow]

You don't choose your family

[broken flower]

Do we have a problem Jordan 🤨

[tropic forge]

🍿

[covert tapir]

you dont choose your relatives but you choose your family

[broken flower]

Laser you're now officially in my family

[covert tapir]

well i choose not to be thx

[broken flower]

That's not an option

My son

[mint swan]

Can someone give me a summary of their thoughts on ark 2?

[past wind]

They who?

Everything we know is pinned in this very channel

[mint swan]

I love the passive aggressive ark community

Jk. ok but you could also entertain me

[past wind]

Seriously? Passive agressive? How so? Maybe you were expecting a passive agressive response. I was legitimately asking you whose opinion you were looking for. “Their opinion” is players opinion, devs opinions?

[mint swan]

Don’t take me seriously

[past wind]

Like I’ve said, there’s not much info so far. We are now waiting for the roadmap

[mint swan]

No jokes attached though, I wanna know more about how resource gathering and taming plays out

[past wind]

No info about that so far

[broken flower]

If coelacanth is in ark 2 = good, if not = bad

[mint swan]

Heh

[twilit sky]

We know wild animals will be able to track us 😭

It seems like it’s gonna be a much more intense survival game which I am excited for

Like starting ark all over again the first days that we wish we could all get back XD

Where nobody knows how to do anything and you die 1000 times trying XD

New tames more scary than troodons, that TRACK you 😂

[south lance]

potential for the scary tames to be fun rather than annoying

troodon are not fun

[tropic forge]

remember those words when they track you and get stuck on a little rock 🤣

[split dove]

it's gonna be more intense for sure, but they said survival itself won't be more intense. maybe similar to ark 1.

[rare heart]

If thingss can track you theres probably tames you van use to hunt ppl down

Probably wolves or something

Sabers realistically might be the scariest thing when ur on foot

[winged dome]

Not much to think about aside from feature speculation which has been going on in this channel for the past 2 years since the initial reveal. You'll probably get more opinions when we have gameplay reveal or actual mechanic details

[split dove]

speculation on new stuff that hasn't been shared on the steam page/founders note

[winged dome]

I'm probably most interested how material-based crafting is going to work, along with building system tweaks for a forced 3rd-person perspective

[split dove]

we already kinda got a look at how it's gonna appear physically, but we don't know how matching it will change it more.

[rare heart]

I want creatures that are supposed to be cool to not absolutely blow in the new game

[winged dome]

Exactly, thats why I'm keen to know more about it

[rare heart]

Its probably like monster hunter but without the upgrade tiers

And then you can switch parts in and out which is not mh

[split dove]

we don't need blueprints and crafting skill again, component based crafting with rarer resource should be the only way to make something a little stronger with a small capped amount like 20% max.

[rare heart]

Id prefer trees honestly

So that we can actually have specialists like a dynamic world/society

Instead if just having some soup erasing my entire brain and i can then learn whatever i want

in a multiplayer sense

Or pvp i guess

More or less id say have that for skills and not combat

Combat skills shouldnt be unavailable if you decide to specialize in a craft because then it would get boring so quick

Cant be efficient at using a bow if i put all my skill points into being a blacksmith. Plz no

[south lance]

mindwipes are neat kinda

well

id like as little variation between players as possible tbh just to make the hassle of switching between playstyles less annoying

mindwipes are pretty simple way to do that while keeping the whole stat customization thing for the rp

[rare heart]

Sure

[winged dome]

I do like the idea of having to specialize, but don't like being able to reset said specialization easily though Mindwipes. Hopefully Ark2 makes it more involved to swap stuff around, but still has the option to if you want to

[rare heart]

Ye

Wouldnt mind resets if it was somewhat difficult to do

Or possibly, have mindwipe tonics but you dont get the points back and have to relearn everything xd

Not like how ark does it but like actually start back from 0

[winged dome]

Combat, building, and taming should be completely separate systems though. Specializing in bows shouldn't leave me without the points to get tames/better structures

But I can't bow and master melee trees, for example

Ideally you'd have enough combat points to master a tree or two, and maybe some extra points for general use. Trees being Armor/Shields, One Handed Melee, Two Handed Melee, Ranged, Stealth/Survival

[vapid panther]

Theres a concept out there that you can unlock the basic skill with just experience. But to unlock advance levels of that skill you need to use it or complete quests. Id like mindwipe to loose the advance level parts and you have to do the quest again and use the skill for a while. Kind of a blend of engram and tree.

[mint swan]

👍

[split dove]

Gain both experience points from gameplay, and knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges, to progress along a massive skill tree filled with new active abilities, perks, and passive benefits.
there's also gonna be ''knowledge points'' wich could be required to unlock advanced stuff that we might not be able to get in the skill tree.

[blissful perch]

Surviving is more intense - the survival elements are not? I think I’m readin you right lol

[split dove]

yeah, the survival world/gameplay wise is gonna be more intense, but for like player centric survival mechanics won't be much more intense

forgive me, i haven't had a lot of sleep and have been busy the whole day 😅

[past wind]

If think what he meant is about basic needs. Like vitamins (Atlas). They've specifically said they don't want to make it more complex.

[split dove]

it's mainly just gonna be more intense against the creatures

[past wind]

Yeah, I mean, it's one the things I hated a lot on Atlas

[blissful perch]

It was actually a huge relief to hear that at Pax

[past wind]

It's interesnting in the beginning, but than it's just annoying to have to collect and prepare specific foods to stay alive 😂

I mean, I don't do that in real life, Why would I bother to do it in a game?

[blissful perch]

I was not down to farm essential dietary fiber every 19 minutes to avoid my character struggling to poo

[split dove]

we'd basicly turn into Lotus with all the pills/vitamins lmao

[past wind]

Exactly, that's too much in a game. I mean, if they changed the mechanics to something like a boost instead of basic needs to live. It would be acceptable.

Like: keep your vitamins ok and will get +5% speed, +5% health etc

[blissful perch]

At some point a game is a sim and at some point a sim is just real life

[tardy onyx]

With all the floating islands in the trailers, wont most ground tames be useless? It doesn’t seem like you can reach them without a flier and you don’t have that cryo stuff to spawn them wherever you like

[past wind]

But needing to keep the vitamins in the right levels all the time to just survive, was annoying

[blissful perch]

Depends. Humans were waking on the one in the trailer, and some of the floating landmasses have clear ramps behind them

[split dove]

players will have a lot more traversal options so it's not limited to fliers i think

[past wind]

Sure, but that's too much.

[astral token]

We’ll have to see how the new magic bullshit plot device works

[blissful perch]

But a flying area of the game much like a fully aquatic one opens up a lot of cool gameplay

[astral token]

Personally I like magic bullshit plot devices, not evne joking

[split dove]

aroy, no

[astral token]

You all know it’s gonna happen

[split dove]

Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging!

[astral token]

ARK I had element, ARK II will have something

[tardy onyx]

It does seem like fliers will be a vital tame though

[past wind]

I hope in 3-4 years

[astral token]

A magic bullshit plot device is almost 100% guaranteed, I’ll be very surprised if there is none

[past wind]

not right after the release

[blissful perch]

Ideally fliers are only viable in the floating regions - and severely handicapped elsewhere

[past wind]

In 3-4 years we will want new stuff

[astral token]

“flying”

[past wind]

But I hope they've learnt what no to do with tek

[split dove]

you can probably climb up there, just saying

[astral token]

Maybe

[split dove]

give them the ocean treatment 😂

[astral token]

But I’m placing my bets on magic bullshit plot device

[tardy onyx]

That’s probably where the other movement options like climbing come into play

[blissful perch]

Compared to ark 1 fliers that’s a major handicap lol

[split dove]

new movement options will make vertical movement less reliant on tames or tools.

[nocturne spindle]

Anyone else hyped for ue5 on ark 1

[split dove]

same Ark 1 so no

[tardy onyx]

They are dinosaurs though, not modern birds. I think they are like a closer to mid game tame

[quasi wadi]

Guys i got question if ark 2 drops will ark 1 be deleted or no

[nocturne spindle]

No

[split dove]

no

[quasi wadi]

Ah good

[split dove]

this isn't overwatch 2

[quasi wadi]

Bc i was worrying

[tardy onyx]

I think it really depends on what kind of prehistoric birds your talking about

[split dove]

where'd you even get that from? -__-

[past wind]

Youtube

[quasi wadi]

Ye

[blissful perch]

Flying reptiles are not dinosaurs - but that’s also entirely separate from their gameplay function 😅

[split dove]

🤦‍♂️

[past wind]

Don't believe youtube, you're welcome

[split dove]

only believe official wildcard accounts/official sources

[winged dome]

🍻

[past wind]

I think he's saying today's birds = modern dinosaurs

[blissful perch]

To be fair there were very few animals period that could do that

[past wind]

Well, I beg to disagree, there are a few leaks here and there. But we should always take them for what they are. 😂

[blissful perch]

And very few if any animals today can take one bullet let alone dozens 😅. Gameplay trumps realism

[tardy onyx]

I’m not saying that any prehistoric bird can take on anything, you just made it seem as if they aren’t very useful in the PVP aspect

[past wind]

TBF it should be that way. I love Assassin's creed, imagine it being reallistic?

[blissful perch]

I’m sort of against it for ark

[past wind]

Birds are weak in real life, and as for a good gameplay in Ark, they should also be weak

[tardy onyx]

It is a video game though

[blissful perch]

Imo what should be weak is the air -> ground combat system

It’s less about “birds” and more about the fact that it feels unfair to have one sided combat

Fliers, if equal to grounded tames, will always crush their grounded counterparts in terms of usage and utility

[past wind]

Do you think birds (anything that flies) are strong on PVP?

[blissful perch]

Skiff seems pretty strong. As does the maewing, some of the wyverns, and (historically) owls and manas

[past wind]

Because I don't. They are pretty much ok nowadays. BUt they kill exploration and survival aspects.

[blissful perch]

Before the flier nerf it was non negotiable that flying was the only way to play

[past wind]

Pseudo fliers yeah I agree. But the real fliers are ok.

[past wind]

Agreed. Im saying today.

I think flyers as of today they kill more the survival and exploration aspects.

[blissful perch]

Again other than the skiff and maybe some wyverns most fliers seem to be manageable

[untold ingot]

Fliers make it so there is no open world pvp thsts doesn't have a pt or something involved, unless there are turrets

[past wind]

we just fly above all the dangerous stuff

[blissful perch]

PURELY from a basic pvp balance stance though

[untold ingot]

Being able to pick makes any flier stronger than any land creature

[blissful perch]

Although again maewings function like fliers by moving faster than anything in the game can react…so it’s basically the same as flying above everything

[past wind]

Yeah, but today there are so many counters that I wouldn't say they are OP. They add interesting features on PVP.

Like unmounting a giga rider

[split dove]

any flier that can pick has less limits to what land based creatures that can pick have.

[tardy onyx]

I think that if the fliers are too weak, they have no proper use besides transportation. And while that is one of their proper uses, you should be able to stand a chance against something. I’m not saying that a flier should be able to tank anything, though.

[untold ingot]

Fliers make all pvp either flier pvp or endgame pvp. There is nothing in the middle

[past wind]

That's a glitch actually

[untold ingot]

Their only proper use should be scouting

[split dove]

they should be limited to a support role

[untold ingot]

Currently they are the farming/open world pvp meta

[past wind]

What do you mean by tank quetzal? You meant the amount of life it can get?

[tardy onyx]

Support as in escape? Or somewhat used in fights.

[past wind]

Because I think they nerfed a lot already

[untold ingot]

Fliers ruin fights

[past wind]

I remember when my quetz had almos 200k life

now they can't get that amount anymore

[split dove]

they basicly shouldn't be jack of all trades as they are now, they should be limited to scouting only

[past wind]

far from it

[lime flicker]

I never had a quetz

For some reason everyone likes killing boogy ):

[past wind]

But a good nerf for flyers should be totally get the platform saddle from things like a quetz

[tardy onyx]

You got a point there

[past wind]

99% of the issues with quetz are because of their platform

[untold ingot]

I mean, I would take issue with their weight

[past wind]

That also, but I mean on PVP

[split dove]

picking also should be heavily nerfed and be more like tropeo/bloodstalker, where you always have a chance to escape without having to need the specific 4-5 tools that can get you out.

[untold ingot]

I mean on pvp too

[past wind]

We have hovers, the poor quetz isn't even that used anymore

[split dove]

no wonder Santiago hates tek

[untold ingot]

That doesn't matter much. Take away skiff, and people will still use quetz and argy to farm

Fliers dominate farming, fighting, and catapult everyone into endgame. They need substantial nerfs

[past wind]

I get it and I agree, Im just stating they might have just let it stay because there are more op stuff nowadays

[untold ingot]

In ark1 yes

[past wind]

For Ark 2 I would definetelly nerf fliers more

[untold ingot]

In ark2 no

[past wind]

Stamina, weight, life etc

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't nerf stamina, just picking and weight

[past wind]

Stamina nerf = not being able to fly the whole map without needing to get to the ground

[split dove]

they also should be less easy to get, and more towards late mid game

[past wind]

That also

They should promote land based creatures and tools more

[split dove]

lvl 35 or 37 pte saddle and you're safe from everything unless you make a fuck up

[untold ingot]

Well, if the map is big enough, that won't be an issue imo. The map will be large enough thst it'll be impractical to fly around the whole map

[past wind]

We will see. It's hard to talk about balance without knowing some of the aspects of the game

We don't even know if "crios" will be a thing

I mean, not the real crios, but something that will replace it

[untold ingot]

Tbf, it would be good if ark is more like rust as far as bases go. You can claim a spot and be strong in it, but you can't exclusively lock down an entire server

[split dove]

we sure hope not, as they hopefully learned and took feedback from it

like our ''stable structure'' idea

[past wind]

Me too. I would like a claim system.

If they copy and improve the Atlas system, I would be happy

You can even charge pepole taxes on your land LOL

[untold ingot]

I don't know the atlas system

[past wind]

Basically: There's PVE zones (Freeports), Outlaw lands (you can't claim, but there's pvp and you can build), and the rest (you can claim land, and let people build inside).

On claimable lands, there's more options than just alliances. It's more complex than the ark system and I like it.

There are taxes, communal buildings etc

[untold ingot]

That could be cool

[past wind]

You can let other people build inside and just protect the land together

[untold ingot]

My main issue with ark is that structures are tribe owned 😂

[past wind]

Yeah, Atlas has a more complex system. It's good actually.

[untold ingot]

It makes sense to me to have locks be tribe owned, but a fence foundation?

[past wind]

I don't remember how exactly we did it, But I remember having settings for a lot of stuff, and being able to turn things communal

Also, anyone can claim your land, and if you don't protect it, the claimer gets it all

[untold ingot]

I think everything but locks and claim flags should not have any owner

[past wind]

Yeah, I remember having lots of settings

[untold ingot]

Defenses should probably be tribe owned, but things like foundations and walls shouldn't be

[past wind]

That's another topic that's hard to discuss about LOL

I'm not sure they will implement an auto defense system

[untold ingot]

There has to be some sort

[past wind]

Yeah, but I'm not sure what and how

In Atlas you need an weapon + NPC

And NPC could just riot if not enought food and not being paid

[untold ingot]

I honestly don't think it matters. It has to be ranged (hopefully isn't as spammable as turrets)

[past wind]

"Dogs" would be interesting 😂

[past wind]

But my major grisp with turrets isn't really they are spammable, it's the fact they don't miss a shot

I need a defense system that can fail

But of course, other nerfs should also be done for the attack features

We won't have C4 or grenades ( I guess)

Yeah, when I said "dogs" is something like that. An improved "turret mode".

[covert tapir]

tbh atlas with animals sounds hella fun till you have to sail to other islands

i could see it being fun for 20 minutes

[past wind]

Sailing was nice also, the real issues were they never cared much about balance, fixing glitches and server lag.

If wildcard is working on the Atlas features and improving them, I think they might get it right

But, let me give you one example that made sailing a nightmare: in Atlas you get old, because of that you have to go to the Fountain of Youth. The problem is the grid where the fountain spawns is always full of people (it changes grids with time) and the rubber banding kills the experience

If only they worked on fixing it, it wouldn’t be a problem

Atlas had a lot of potential. It’s theme (pirates), a lot to explore, complex pvp etc

[untold ingot]

My issue is how cheap they are and how spammable they are, and the fact that you can use batteries in them. Having random open world turret traps with battery heavies makes everyone pvp scared

[past wind]

Also the bosses were amazing. It was like the “World events” they are proposing to Ark. The bosses spawned on the map and people went together in huge parties to kill it.

[past wind]

That’s true. But nerfing the 100% accuracy rate they have would also be good.

We won’t have c4 and grenades on Ark 2 (I guess) so auto defense shouldn’t always hit the target

[untold ingot]

I mean, yeessss. I think slowing the projectile velocity is a better thing than reducing accuracy

Plant x have 100% accuracy, but slow velocity so you can dodge

[untold ingot]

But it will need to do lots of damage on the dinos that deal damage to structures. (And I am hoping that that is the raid method)

[past wind]

Sure, I'm sure every change needs to be balanced with everything else.

[limber marten]

Wonder what the offline defence will be. Like how we’re have turrets now

How we going to raid with no c4 or rockets 😱

[covert tapir]

wdym you get old lmaoo 😂

you get forced to go to a location that is inevitably full of people?

what if you die of old age? is it a character reset

[tropic forge]

🍿

[azure mist]

hey can someone

please explain how is ark 2 going? im trying to understand

[split dove]

#766826918803800074
They are showing the Ark franchise roadmap on March 31st, included should be Ark 1, Ark 2, The animated series and TSoTF (survival of the fittest). This could include dates/release windows for stuff like gameplay, more teasers, release. Alongside with news about Ark 1's UE5 update, the animated series platform and release date of season 1 and potentially season 2.
we could get a release date/release window for Ark 2's gameplay, launch and more teasers. but don't worry with the concept arts shown, as those have been stated to have already been done in-game and the concepts are being shared to inform what will be in Ark 2 and what it will look like before the gameplay, as the teasers are leading up to the gameplay.

[past wind]

Leaked roadmap:

• Ark UE5 update: It's happening
• Ark 2: soon... -ish
• The animated series: Just around the corner

See you all on the next roadmap update.

J/K

[split dove]

don't give them ideas

[past wind]

I'm helping anxious ark players not overhyping it

[lime flicker]

8 more days 🫣

[split dove]

i was just saying what will be included on the roadmap and what could possibly be discussed from it

[mighty lion]

Well we know of it was being released next few months there wouldn't need to be a road map. Hopefully it's gameplay footage, early acces access, and full game release timelines

[mighty lion]

Oh I didn't see the 2023 part, I'd still be surprised though if it came out in the next few months in the road map

[copper echo]

If ark 2 comes out before my brothers birthday my brother will get it for his birthday

[split dove]

Seeing as it's a early access release it could happen.

[potent hull]

yes early access release of the game name after flobs call Adventure of flobs lol

[past wind]

You are contributing to Ark players anxiety

[rare heart]

I want

Far cry primal mauling animations

When you get super low, if you get caught in certain attacks you just get eaten

[lime forge]

Why you always in here trying to kill excitement

[grand oar]

When does it come out

[winged dome]

🍻

[astral token]

????

[tropic forge]

damn just watching unreal 5.2 demo ufff wildcard better deliver those grafics

[stray elm]

Most likely the version they're using, which is either 5 or 5.1

[tropic forge]

well 5.1 comes whit the foliage update which they gonna use im pretty sure of that and that alone as insane graphics, 5.2 its other stuff like character design

[stray elm]

Quality of the update isn't what I mean.
It's the practicality of switching to a different version in mid-development.

Cause they'd most likely would have to transfer their 200+ assets, blueprints, etc, to the next version. (maybe, I don't 100% know the differences between switching from minor versions to major updates. I just know that switching between UE4 and UE5 is a pain)

[tropic forge]

i dont think you need a major work out on these updates, and they said sometime now they move ark 2 to UE5

[stray elm]

Did they confirmed they 'moved' it, or just are working on ARK-2 within UE5?

[tropic forge]

but 5.1 its a must due to foliage and rendering of bushes trees etc

i remember they saying they move ark 2 to UE5

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, if they 'have' to switch I'd say go for 5.1.
But at that point, you should just go for 5.2 since it'd be no less painful

[stray elm]

I believe this would be before even 5.1 came out.
So, it's probably just 5.0

And honestly, I'm fine with it just being on 5.0.
Cause if they really wanted to, when the game comes out of early-access, they could try to port it to the newest version of Unreal. (so like 5.7 or some shit like that)

[tropic forge]

or they release it from ea to official whit no changes like ark1 did 🤣

[stray elm]

Actually, I think ARK did switch like, a single minor version ahead when it came out.

Like, it was such a minor version that it was a nothingburger.
But like.....effort I guess?

[tropic forge]

i dint notice a single change from ea to official release same problems same everything at that point, only difference was a matter of time cause server was running fine due to very low structures and tames but after 1 month back to same old 🤣

[stray elm]

To be fair, launch ARK is a lot more stable then released ARK.....
Again, not saying much, but it 'was' an improvement.

[tropic forge]

but whit UE5 seems to open to a very large amount of stuff on insane giant map so will see

[stray elm]

Engine Unreal

[untold ingot]

Most basic stuff ports fairly well between Ue5.0 and 5.2. It would require revamping maps, but that might be something they do later

The procedural generation for map making could cut down on hundreds of hours of dev time

And they don't have to make their own generator either, it's built in as far as I understand it

[haughty ore]

Can't wait to have even lower fps due to all the more detailed graphics

[tropic forge]

i agree we should have stop on 16bit that was enough progress

[lime forge]

‘Camera pans to Steve Irwin hiding in a bush’

Here we have a rare specimen, and she’s a beaut! This is a wild Ark fan in its natural habitat. They’re easily identified by their sarcastic and passive aggressive comments about Ark 2 and Wild Card developers. This one specifically seems to be complaining about improvements being made to the game, as it obviously prefers the broken and subpar quality of the first Ark game. We’re gonna stick around and monitor it for a bit, perhaps we will get lucky and another will show up, sparking a rivalry between the two, which will no doubt lead to a heated display concerning their opinions on 3rd person only compared to first.

[untold ingot]

I mean, that's the thing with Ue5. Lumen and nanite are so efficient, that even my potato pc runs them well

I was playing around with a 10 million poly item yesterday with Ue5, and it was able to move smoothly, even with particle effects around it, while my computer couldn't even load the file in ue4

[tropic forge]

and i have a pc that could make games but i dont have knowledge for that 😢

[lime forge]

Just as we hoped for a second wild Ark fan has appeared… He came right out the gate with a sarcastic comment directed towards the first Ark fan who’s since gone quiet. Perhaps he knows he’s beaten and doesn’t wanna risk the challenge. But for now it seems the newcomer is the dominant of the two. Likely far more experienced at arguing failing points and not paying up on bets he lost. I may try and sneak closer for a better look.

[haughty ore]

That's a funny copypasta lol

[lime forge]

Aw crikey, I’ve been spotted! Now this is a dangerous situation… the best thing we can do is maintain eye contact, and slowly back away. Ill also mention an opinion I have while doing so. Any opinion beside their own will enrage the Ark fan, sending them on a tangent and distracting them from your escape before they begin verbally attacking you as a person. Never turn your back on a wild Ark fan, they’ll take it as a sign of weakness and you’ll be mobbed before you know it.

[haughty ore]

These are a pretty interesting read, write a couple more if you want

[untold ingot]

Me neither lol, I just started learning ue

I know the basic concepts, but it my computer couldn't run Ue4 with anything really

It can't even load into the dev kit for ark lol

[haughty ore]

If they went for an ocean like sea of thieves that would be pretty dope

[prisma pike]

Barren and empty?

[lime flicker]

lol

One week bois !!

[haughty ore]

Graphics wise

[ionic meteor]

I don't why I got a very strong feeling this is whats going to happen 😅

happened many times before

remember people hyping ark 2 info at the extra life but we were disappointed

[untold ingot]

Ark2 is not going to have sea of thieves graphics 😂

[untold ingot]

Wc never said that they were going to give ark2 info at extra life. They did say we'll see into in the roadmap

[blissful perch]

It was a fair expectations we’d see something at the WC hosted WC event though

No promises broken, but that WAS a pretty normal place to expect something

[untold ingot]

I mean, maybe? The focus on the event wasn't on the future of ark though, it was a fundraiser for children's hospitals

[haughty ore]

one can wish

[untold ingot]

I mean, you can wish, but they already said it won't be

[haughty ore]

whered they say that

[blissful perch]

The content of the event is ark focused…don’t split hairs with me

[untold ingot]

When they said the game is cinematic in quality

[blissful perch]

You can also see the ingame asset trailers, the concept art, etc…and none of it has the sea of thieves style

Not to say I’d be upset if ark 2 pinches some features from SoT. Would love to see SoT fishing for example over ark 1 fishing

[haughty ore]

Maybe graphics was a bad word to use

how the waves and water looks might be better wording

not the cartoonish aspect

[untold ingot]

Ue5 has that by default

[blissful perch]

My hope is that ark 2 launches without a formal ocean

[untold ingot]

You actually have to tell it not to do that, at least as far as I am aware

[untold ingot]

If it launches without an ocean, I'll organize a formal protest that makes the Bob zone underwater

[ionic meteor]

Technically yes because jeremy said in the pax west stream we'd see something about ARK2 next stream which was extralife, that right there was the main reason people hyped that up.

What i'm trying to say here is to manage your expectations because we never did so last time 😅

[untold ingot]

I mean, I keep up with the news. I feel I have fairly reasonable expectations

[lime forge]

I’ll back up said protest

[blissful perch]

Dw, l will counter organize a #oceanDLC movement that verbally attacks WC in order to get future ocean content but sneakily supports not having it at launch

[untold ingot]

Ark need ocean

It's as vital as having rocks

[lime forge]

You been spending to much time with lotus

[blissful perch]

I played ark day 1 and no you don’t 😂

[blissful perch]

I think you may have…my attacks are all verbal 😂

[split dove]

we ain't storming wildcard hq unlike those madmen

[blissful perch]

*that. It’s one lad

[split dove]

knowing the ark community there's easily 1000 like him

[blissful perch]

Either way I’m going to keep working on #oceanDLC

[untold ingot]

I want actual oceans at the start

[blissful perch]

I’m not down to see content short changed because wc is working on 2 completely different sets of mechanics and assets for EA launch

[lime forge]

#oceanatlaunch

[verbal wind]

oceanbosses

[split dove]

if you want oceans at launch don't expect them to be gen 1 quality, but instead island ocean quality ☕
the only time ocean was a bigger focusand it turned out better

[blissful perch]

You mean base island quality

[split dove]

yeah

[blissful perch]

With 3 fully aquatic tames and practically nothing else

[haughty ore]

have they said anything about how big the maps would be compared to ark 1

[blissful perch]

“Massive”

Not super descriptive lol.

[tropic crag]

IIRC, roughly two times Gen 2 was the slipped comparison, but I could be wrong

[blissful perch]

Raq out here seething if that’s true

Man wants the 100x genesis 2 super map that can can hold W for six days to travel

[untold ingot]

I mean, ue5.2 can easily do it

[haughty ore]

maybe they're taking a much larger scale approach to ark 2. They got the MMO tag but seeing as every multiplayer game slaps it on it dont mean nothing

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 had the MMO tag lmao

[haughty ore]

yeah thats what im saying, every game puts that tag on nowadays

even POE has it but its not really an mmo

[tropic crag]

Yeah 😕

[haughty ore]

my definition of mmo would be being able to see hundreds of players at once

not in a instanced hub area

[tropic crag]

I mean, some/more games nowadays do have more than the standard amount of players required for a non-MMO game (usually around 30-60)

[ripe marsh]

#teamoceanDLC

[lime forge]

Same