ark-2

[untold ingot]

By allowing fliers to have a pick mechanic it already forces that

[south lance]

thats because current pick mechanic is implemented poorly

[untold ingot]

Why do you think flier taming isn't a thing in sotf?

[south lance]

again, theres 0 risk to flyers

because the alternative is to completely rework flyer stats

way more overhead

[untold ingot]

By having fliers able to pick it forces you to play the flier meta

[south lance]

esp cause thatll require further experimentation

[untold ingot]

Wihlth fliers able to pick consistently, it makes ground combat with dinos impossible

Unless you have turret coverage

[south lance]

thats my whole point tho, its not supposed to be nearly as consistent

and the thing is that all im doing is scaling back the only viable option flyers have to even interact with combat

[untold ingot]

You only suggested adding a 1hit kill option to rexes

[south lance]

your way would remove flyers completely outside of support roles

[untold ingot]

Flier should be support only lol

[south lance]

flyers already are low hp usually

this allows them to continue being support tho

[untold ingot]

Wyvern be like

[south lance]

while also giving a high risk combat option

thats rewarding

[untold ingot]

Against a rex, thereby forcing you to use a Rex or a flier

[south lance]

wyverns are special case tbf

[south lance]

the rex still wins 9/10 times

[dim goblet]

@drowsy ibex
Just saw in the Xbox Gamepass view for this year that Ark II will be "Xbox Launch Exclusive". Could you just clarify whether that also includes Steam ? (Not asking for the date, just whether it will release at the same time on Steam and Microsoft Store)

[untold ingot]

Wyverns as a special case are like 10 out of the 20 flier varieties lol

[untold ingot]

It's on the steam page, yes it includes steam

[south lance]

if youre a good enough player you are just given another unreliable option to play with

[dim goblet]

Oh, okay. Great! Was scared they’d abandon us Steam players for a second.

[south lance]

sure, but them being tanky dps flyers is unlike how most flyers beinf considered here operate

we are talking about picking mechanics, not dps from flyers

[untold ingot]

Wyverns pick too lol

[south lance]

yeah

[untold ingot]

Are they also getting one hit by rexes?

[south lance]

they are op and only brought in line because the rest of the game is op

they arent what im talking about tho

[untold ingot]

I am talking about fliers. That includes wyverns

[south lance]

the standard here is low hp low commitment flyers with pick mechanics

[untold ingot]

And argies, and pts and quetz, and tape jars, and whatever aliens get added

[south lance]

you may as well include astrodelphis and manas and everything else too

[untold ingot]

Yes

[south lance]

picking isnt even the most op mechanic then, most of combat dinos in game dont pick

[untold ingot]

Every variety of flier

[split dove]

when you see ''xbox launch exclusive'' it mostly refers to the console side of things

[south lance]

stalkers are even more prevalent than flyers

[untold ingot]

Because of their easier pick mechanic

[south lance]

wyverns are mainly used for dps from what ive seen

lightning wyvern + dismount tame

[untold ingot]

Lightnings yeah

[south lance]

they arent used because they can pick tho

[untold ingot]

Because there is usually turret coverage on the ground

[dim goblet]

Yeah but I figured since Ark does not belong to MS like other Xbox Launch exclusive games, it could be different this time

[south lance]

that doesnt change their dps abilities especially since their range is like a body length

[untold ingot]

A lightning wyvern against a giga with no turrets will 10/10 pick

[south lance]

sure

[untold ingot]

And I don't want turrets everywhere lol

[south lance]

and it has effectively infinite stam to do so

[untold ingot]

It's the lamest form of pvp

[south lance]

ya

efficient and accessible tho

[untold ingot]

Making it so fliers can't fly isn't the style of game I want either lol

[south lance]

scouts arent usually a fun thing to do if you cant engage in combat

the alternative is to make flyers beefy

but this would also require high stam

and now you have the whole travel issue

[untold ingot]

Scouting is something that needs to happen though

Picking is not

[south lance]

and this isnt to mention that scouting is its own problem that makes servers easily dominated

by single groups of players

[untold ingot]

Scouting with cryos yes

[south lance]

who can just spend 2 hours looking for people starting up

[untold ingot]

Get rid of cryos, and nerf flier weight and it's not a huge problem

[south lance]

why are cryos the biggest boon for scouting

shit like maewings and manas can get basically anywhere important on a given map

without cryos, you just have to use flyers and grapples

[untold ingot]

Cryos let you turn a pt into a stego or a giga lol

[south lance]

itll increase the time, but the main issue is gonna be the flyers ability to traverse the whole map in minutes

[south lance]

that is separate from scouting tho, you can still always raid someone once you found them, just that without cryos its a bit slower and harder

[untold ingot]

Make the map really big, and don't have 10 buildable spots

[south lance]

but eventually theyll always be wiped because they were found

thats a possible solution yeah

cap flyer speed to what argies or pts are now

[untold ingot]

It's pvp, people are going to get wiped.

[south lance]

its how fast thats the issue usually

youll always eventually be found unless you build a glorified storage unit

[untold ingot]

You shouldn't be able to roll up with a full prefab fob immediately though

Rn it takes 15 minutes from finding a base to having a fob built. And raiding started

[south lance]

but people should have at least enough time to actually defend against an attack from someone whos been set up for months

[untold ingot]

And that is only because it takes 15 minutes to transfer

[south lance]

transfer of structures is a big issue

[untold ingot]

The best protection should be staying hidden

[south lance]

and war room supplies

[south lance]

thats ideally what reduced scoutinf capabilities will help with

[untold ingot]

That's an issue because staying hidden rn involves ratholes to which there is a limited number

[south lance]

you can also go far by making ini uneditable

making render work better so trees and rocks function as cover

idk how ratholes will work in ark2

i think the ratholes that exist now are originally accidental and due to how map creation works atm

i could be wrong tho

[untold ingot]

I have a bog tree on official that I built for a yeah, had 10k dinos and every Dino line in the game, as well as an absolute ton of gear. No turrets no defenses of any kind. And no one found it scouting

[south lance]

and there are a few purposely built ratholes admittedly, but these are rather contested

[untold ingot]

It's not even a rathole. Just a normal one.

[untold ingot]

Ratholes get made 6x or they get patched. It's not a mistake anymore

[south lance]

yeah theres also a couple caves clearly meant to act as ratholes

rather than large bases for large tribes

stuff with actual assets inside it like creature spawns and crystals and stuff

[untold ingot]

That is why scouting now is an issue. You scout 10 or 15 common spots per map, with a prefab fob sitting in upload or whatever. And then you go to the next map and do the same

[south lance]

but i think the game wasnt originally built with ratholes in mind

[solar turtle]

What y'all discussing?

[south lance]

atm how to make it possible for people to build up on a server owned by an established alpha

[untold ingot]

If everyahere in the map was viable, and the map was bigger than gen2 by 4 to 16 times, without cryos, then it would be totally fine to not nerf flier Stam, because it would take considerably longer than an hour to scout a server

[south lance]

sure

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am discussing how to balance fliers but yeah that too

[south lance]

yeah

i would like fewer larger maps, with fewer corresponding servers that were higher quality

it makes the available experiences greater since you eventually hit a critical size where more than 1 major fight can happen on a server

[untold ingot]

With a bigger map, and a removal of the cave/rathole meta there is no reason to nerf a fliers ability to scout

[south lance]

and by extension, far more smaller fights

atm theres usually only 1 or 2 fights on a given server

[untold ingot]

Because there's usually only one or two established bases, because there are only 10 or 15 viable ones lol

[south lance]

yeah

but even open world pvp, people just fighting each other mid farm and stuff

theres not usually much of those happening, and travel speed is so immense that the whole map becomes the arena

i would like more parallel unrelated raids happening tho

[untold ingot]

Rn maps are so dead that you can literally farm the entire blue zone with a stryder and not meet anyone lol

[south lance]

yeah lol

thats also partially because theres too many servers and some maps dont have enough reasons to bring players there

[untold ingot]

And that's because there need to be more servers, because there are only 10 viable spots lol

[south lance]

loot like bps and higher quality items should be more dependent on drops

drops shouldve had way better loot to encourage more open world pvp

extinction has this but osds usually involve several people (not required, just happens)

[untold ingot]

The issue with that is once you get the BP for the loot, you no longer need to look for bps lol

[south lance]

thats true

maybe bps shoupd have use limits idk

and then standardize bps more, have a smaller range of qualities

so you arent stuck looking for literal weeks for a bp

[untold ingot]

Higher tier items should be based on higher tier resources that are limited

[south lance]

they kinda are but theres too many easy farm techniques

and a lot are gatekeepable by alphas

the whole tp system for instance

and turreting off certain parts of the map

though the latter is kinda necessary for the sandbox nature

[untold ingot]

Lava golem cave is usually not builtable, and you can't block osds

[south lance]

its not always a thing

[untold ingot]

The people who camp those are not alphas either

[south lance]

its more about farming spots for resources

less about bps

and missions on gen2

[autumn vortex]

Has there been any news on ark2 as of late? Last I heard its gonna be released for ps5 last, gonna have prefab building structures like from The Forest, to be released in 2023, and have a few similarities to Conan Exiles gameplay

[south lance]

we are gonna get a road map this month

[autumn vortex]

That sounds interesting

[south lance]

everything else is just the concept art and some info thats been up since last year

[untold ingot]

In either case flier stamina doesn't need to be nerfed given a removal of cryos (and by extension cave meta) as well as a nerf on flier weight and a nerf or removal of picking

[rare heart]

Expect the roadmap on the 31st

I think only genuine birds need a grab

The new ptera kinda looks a little more accurate but who knows

[autumn vortex]

When you said roadmap you meant of ark 2, ark1 or just both?

[rare heart]

2 I believe

[split dove]

if you want to know what gameplay will fully be like, best to look at the steam page

[south lance]

i thinj its for the whole franchise

[untold ingot]

All inclusive

[autumn vortex]

Roger

[south lance]

but ark2 should be a major part of it

given that ark2 is like the most important development by wc atm

[rare heart]

Ark 2 fr just sounds like monster hunter but open world on the steam page

[split dove]

i think animated series will be release date for season 1, streaming site and possibly news on season 2

[rare heart]

What is its streaming service

[south lance]

its crazy how the series hasnt dropped yet

not wc fault iirc, still tho

fuck their streaming service lol

[split dove]

🤨

[south lance]

🤨

[rare heart]

What is it though?

[south lance]

dunno

[rare heart]

Hopefully hbo max 😎 they tend to have the most bangers of last year and this year

[south lance]

just know that if the series is done, the main holdup is from the service

[rare heart]

Except the one

[split dove]

no hbo max, put on something accessible worldwide. i ain't in the mood to third party something to watch Ark bc HBO isn't in my country

[south lance]

stream it on ark website

[split dove]

[south lance]

get some whales to fund the lost passive viewer revenue

tell them theyll get a cool skin for it

[rare heart]

Idk what else id be on though

[south lance]

first and last mtx in ark history

[rare heart]

I feel like a show for ark might be too corporate in its publishing since its well known

[south lance]

most shows have this risk

everythings owned by a billionaire

or partially owned

[rare heart]

Wildcard (but idk about who owns wildcard) is based in the us so who knows

Or i guess in this case whoever made the show

Theres like an 70% chance itll go to streaming if they want a lot of ppl to watch it i mean thats just how tv is now

Really hoping the roadmap doesnt just say when ark two will drop and hopefully provides more content for the games future

[untold ingot]

If it gives a release date thats enough for me lol

[winged dome]

🍻

No official PS release plans yet, purely speculation

Only PC and Xbox confirmed

[potent hull]

the roadmap will be all about family and raqkaaq lol

[untold ingot]

Why will it be about me?

[potent hull]

i was joking

[wet bobcat]

is ark 2 out? was seeing all over facebook.

[verbal wind]

another round 🍻

[split dove]

Facebook 🤮
imagine believing anything from facebook, and no it's not out yet. We might know a more specific date then 2023 with the roadmap being shared this month.

[wet bobcat]

cant help it im at work. 12 hours shifts. so dont really have time to look. unlike yall. sorry

[verbal wind]

google is your friend

facebook is not

[winged dome]

🍻

You had enough time to check FB, and hop onto Discord and ask, when it literally takes 2 seconds to check the Announcements page in the same Discord server 😂

[covert tapir]

some people here i swear 🧠

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2 !!!!

[mint swan]

I'm so excited

[desert swallow]

is today the day they give us a release date?

[winged dome]

🍻

[potent hull]

we do not no

[past wind]

Today is the day they will say the roadmap will come someday

[untold ingot]

I heard it from a confidential source that the are launching a space shuttle loaded with fireworks programmed to show the gameplay trailer

[potent hull]

10000 years later till not her lol

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, I forgor it was Friday

[lime flicker]

🙂

[tropic forge]

maybe its saturday cc

[fierce violet]

Yo

[untold ingot]

They are delaying it because lotus is excited about it

[split dove]

now we need to make sure Lotus hates it so they get it out sooner

[tropic forge]

10min or 1h10

make sure you count down

[verbal wind]

every time someone asks, they push the release date back another day

[tropic forge]

ho man thats like 3 years delay now i think 🤣

nice try!

[stray elm]

"The ARK roadmap is just around the corner" so I assume either next, or the one after that CC.

[split dove]

same

at least they mentioned it

[desert swallow]

Around the corner is relative. Around the corner on the same street? Around the corner on a long street that extends to a different town?

[potent hull]

is ether coming next week or when flobs and jordan say it coms out lol

[split dove]

they're gonna hand deliver it to my house in Europe for the grand some of $399.99

[potent hull]

dont for get the tax you need to give them the flobs tax lol

[split dove]

i'm on tax evasion

[past wind]

I’ve called it.

Soon ™️

[split dove]

at least it was mentioned, compared to last weeks

[potent hull]

next week or week after that

[rare heart]

I want to believe a lot of games do things on spring break but they dont so

[tropic forge]

damn so much information it blow my mind

[past wind]

We have 3 fridays left. Any of them will do it

[tropic forge]

"Depends on the definition of 'soon'... soon-ish/soon" by jeremy stieglitz

[mint swan]

😦

[blissful nest]

Two things ARK 2 could add that would make it a good game (at least IMO.)

• More underwater variety - ARK 1's oceans are...boring, that's the reality, the only real things they have going for them is grinding resources, majority of the time you'll never head there unless you're planning to beating the bosses, then you'll have to go through the pain of the "easy" underwater cave and the brutally hard underwater cave, and the fact that there are almost 20 mainly underwater creatures, that's why I think that Arat should have more oceanic variety, ARK 1 has pretty much around 20 underwater creatures (not counting variants, no I'm not going to bother counting.) and that is counting tameable and untameable creatures on the game, which is why I think that ARK 2 should have a lot of marine fauna, as Arat is an alien planet with alien fauna so that could be whole new window of possibilities for underwater creatures, as well as more type of underwater flora other than algae and the usual floating coral in the bottom of the deep sea, perhaps like floating Sargasso, or a Aratian version of Muschel Megalodon.

• Balance between Aliens and Dinos - Don't have more dinosaurs than aliens nor vice versa: ARK 2 takes place in Arat, an alien planet, however since dinosaurs were introduced to the planet it'd make sense that the dinosaurs killed the aliens that weren't strong enough or capable enough to survive, take for example the dodo bird, it was killed by the animals brought by the Dutch, so it'd make sense for the Dino-Alien ratio to be 1 Alien in every 1 dinosaur due to competition, from a lore perspective, it'd make sense, and it'd also help the people who don't one to have as many aliens on ARK 2 (not me, I geniunely love the idea of aliens on ark, lol)

[winged dome]

Holy wall of text

[blissful nest]

Eh, it's just things that would make ARK 2 a better game, imo

[lime flicker]

What are these aliens people keep talking about

[tropic forge]

dude you dont even have a gameplay clip and youre already talking about balance ufff cant wait for chat when gameplay comes out 🤣

[stray elm]

The Aratai's

They're the humanoid guys you see in the first ARK-2 trailer

[untold totem]

space orks

[blissful nest]

Brother I just talked about stuff I wanted to happen, it's a suggestion. And with balance I mean not over saturating aliens, lmfao

[prisma pike]

Wdnc

[stray elm]

Nah, I want me aliens

[blissful nest]

Me too, tbh

I just said that for the people who don't want as many aliens

But fuck, even if we have more aliens than Aratai, we need a glorified Manta

[stray elm]

ARK is the only franchise that's still alive that's a sci-fi dinosaur series with other entities other then dinosaurs.

[blissful nest]

BIG manta, can have like 4 people in it, it's fast and BEEG

[stray elm]

The last good one of those I can remember was Primeval.

Primeval was a fucking sick show.

[tropic forge]

lame cgi but still good show

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, shit CGI.
But the story and the universe was dope as fuck.

[blissful nest]

Gorgonops vs Future Predator = Pitbull named 'Princess' vs Sugar Rushed toddler

[rare heart]

Aratai are just like… brutes other games seem to always make

It works though i guess

Orcish beings in a sci fi world are always a go to

[mint swan]

There like alien cave men

[lime flicker]

That ride dinosaurs

[split dove]

Perfect mirror images of the players

[lime flicker]

Watch in the road map ark 2 was pushed to 2024 lol, I’ll be a bit annoyed, I get it tho, I’d rather have a better game but … still annoyed

[mint swan]

Idk Microsoft is pretty strict on release dates, I mean aint it coming to xbox and gamepass first right

[potent hull]

steam to

[mint swan]

Yeah alright, I doubt it'll be pushed more than a year I'd get like end of 2023 or the holiday season

[tropic forge]

🍿

[mint swan]

But ig well have to wait and see

[blissful perch]

Over ark 2’s life perhaps I’d like these

But I’m strongly opposed to ark 2 launching with an ocean at all let alone a hyper complex one

[desert swallow]

Remember when Trump said he'd show everyone his health care plan in two weeks during his whole presidency. This feels like that.

[blissful nest]

I meant water diversity as a whole

[mint swan]

I wonder how the story might work I'm guessing we'll get something more Direct than notes cause of events around the map and if we'll have different story maps how that might work too

[blissful perch]

I’m down for as few fully aquatic creatures as possible on launch tbh. Get an ocean DLC where WC has time to figure out ocean souls combat and build up a strong set of aquatic biomes and creatures

I think the terrestrial environment is gonna take up too much of WC’s effort (rightly so) for them to give oceans the care they need

[desert swallow]

Oceans are pretty boring in real life too

There's really not much in the middle of the ocean, towards the coast can be interesting.

[blissful perch]

Shallow seas are some of the most biodiverse places on earth. But I agree most folks falsely think the open oceans are just as populous

[tropic forge]

did you know that us humans know more of space compare to our oceans?

[rare heart]

I think since were on a massive plant or moon or whatever i think regional dlcs would work fairly well now

with like snow, ocean, and like maybe a floating island avatar ripoff who knows

Desert? I guess but not really because then its just scorched earth

caves too seem iffy because then theyre just copy pasting stuff possibly

[potent hull]

and i still cant believe is not ark 2 tack

[untold ingot]

I mean, no, but sure

[untold ingot]

Desert is iconic in ark lol

[potent hull]

sow is water

but will they have fresh water and salt water in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Nearly every free map or mod map has a desert, excluding center and stuff made by nekatus

Desert is iconic lol

[potent hull]

but will they and both fresh water and salt water to ark 2

[astral token]

Unknown and unconfirmed

Also this planet is similar to earth

It’s not earth

We already know there’s some magic bullshit substance at the very least

[potent hull]

i am not on drugs

[astral token]

Because the islands float

And it’s not due to fucking gravity Vinny walks around normally there, so do the brachis

[tropic forge]

a simple explanation, could be magnetism that keeps those islands float

[potent hull]

is magic you no never say is not true lol

[tropic forge]

everything is magic until having scientific prove 🤣

[astral token]

The magnets would have to be insanely strong

Magnetic force is weaker than electric forces in general

And at that kind of distance (we can’t see the ground below in the trailer), it’d be tough

[tropic forge]

easy, alien magnetic bumm

[astral token]

That goes into random bullshit magic territory🤣

[mint swan]

Caves might be very special saying we see one jn the first ark 2 trailer, so they could be very alien and good for environmently storytelling
I wonder how ends might go like will there be one at launch and if so what are the bosses

[tropic forge]

now to be honest, its possible, hell if some british is making metal living organisms on a lab in real live having a huge boulder floating in the sky due to magnetism distortion aint so far fetch

[rare heart]

Ye but for me at least i would include it in a base map to made a warmer environment

and have caves be its own thing in the base game too

And have most of them be like… actual caves instead of mazes

Unrelated: I at the least think oceans should be one of the few to pick from obvious choices should 100% be a dlc

[tropic forge]

dont care if base map as ocean or dlc just ocean as long is well done and more lively compare to ark 1

[rare heart]

Fair but i say ocean because it has the capacity to be its own game entirely lol

[tropic forge]

that would be too much i think, you would need a story for that, than a whole new set of building not only just a few high tec ones, it had to be like if humans had mutated to live in the water etc, that alone would be very much sideline from ark 2

[rare heart]

Ye

A whole other game lol

Arks ocean is so big because its so barren in its landscape and functionality

[tropic forge]

could be a spin off, and ark malfunctions and land on another nearby planet just outside of our solar system 🤣

[rare heart]

If the ocean had more realistic elements in its creature ai, or simply how building works? Insane difference

creatures that actually breach out if the water….

well, the ones that could def breach but die instantly instead

[tropic forge]

theres quite a few aquatic organism that can endure in land a bit of time besides dont think theres a single aquatic being that would die instantly well aside from ark 🤣

[mint swan]

Alien oceans and creauters

[tropic forge]

im still waiting for my aquatic leviathan class boss

[mint swan]

Moder

[rare heart]

An actual whale

leeds are cool but… idk dont have the same vibe to me

Basilo too

A big cat and a whale are my top wants

Or just make saber smilodon

Cat means a pantherine…. Saber is not a pantherine.

I dont think it is at least

[untold totem]

basically an alpha leed

people who made these kinds of creatures in the votes want a rideable boss

[tropic forge]

moder a leviathan class boss??? what is a normal boss for you? a dodo size?

[tropic forge]

naa i always wanted a giant serpent like at least the size of 2 to 3 thusos combine and one of the special attacks would creating a giant whirlpool

[rare heart]

Just have livyatan

Meg sized whale

More or less… mega orca

i didnt vote for it that one time because it was indeed too big

I think more creatures need to be toned down in their size rather than upscaled

idk how to feel when regular ass dinos toenails are bigger than 8 people

they also make the map feel puny and id rather have maps feel spacious, feels more livable and immersive

when its really not

[verbal wind]

Moeder is one of the largest creatures in the game

[mint swan]

Next to king

[verbal wind]

so id call that a leviathan

[untold totem]

plus ARK 2 is in a different planet, we dont need those plain earth creatures anymore

[rare heart]

I mean…. I wouldnt be too surprised if there were more dinosaurs than aliens

ark creatures are basically vermin

[untold totem]

creative creature and gameplay wise, its for the best

[verbal wind]

once we get the game i hope to see some comparison before and after all the invasive species we bring

[rare heart]

ye

Ark feels like a reverse avatar

[verbal wind]

it would be cool to see dinos and some alien trying to occupy the same niche

[rare heart]

or…. Still avatar

same concept as avatar except humans appear at least in the trailers and concepts that they are way less advanced than they were before

[distant fractal]

i kinda want like a a storyline with events evreyone has go through and some side stough

[untold ingot]

I don't want a storyline lol

[autumn vortex]

Will ark 2 run on ue5?

[untold ingot]

Yeaj

[mortal kestrel]

I want to see a gunblade in arkII tbh

[mortal kestrel]

yes this is confirmed

[mortal kestrel]

if arkII does have story that directly affects the player

it will likely be through the world events that are briefly mentioned on the steam page

[verbal wind]

i'll take guns with bayonets

but we can leave that final fantasy stuff to final fantasy

[nocturne raptor]

I just noticed something

Don't rush the devs, let them build ark2 so no mesh holes can be seen within 10seconds of loading in, and no flying gigàs or brontos

[tropic forge]

you really thing its the ppl on this chat that will rush devs 🤣

[nocturne raptor]

Ye

[astral token]

🤣

[split dove]

this is one of the few civilized chats, basicly every other chat is full of the insane people

[astral token]

laughs in performance issues

[wispy sierra]

*relatively civilized

[ruby spoke]

this is controlled chaos

[desert swallow]

Space is unimaginably massive, even if we were to just explorer a cup of water in the ocean it would still be more than we've charted in space.

Now if you were to say we put more effort into exploring space than the ocean, I would agree with that.

[vapid panther]

If story line is going to be more blatant, I wonder if Santiago's tribe is gonna be a friendly NPC group? Could bring in mini quests, ingame trading, extended lore, etc.

[tropic forge]

yes santiago will have a npc tribe that will ask for your help to get better stuff, once done that he will start raiding you for the rest of your stuff

[blissful perch]

that statement applied to the moon: it was "we know more about the surface of the moon than we do the bottom of our seas". I'm not sure that's even true anymore though

[blissful perch]

insane take. Story sure, but you could have islands or caves like genesis 1 ocean...or any number of alien methods to stay underwater for longer. You don't need any loony human mutations

[tropic forge]

i was imagining more of a habituated in the water building a house whit coral a whole new set, like i said before could be a spin off

[blissful perch]

Oh that’s pretty…wildly not what ark 2 would probably do

I mean houses out of marine materials sure, but I suspect they can’t poach subnautica or have us be some weird aquatic species

[tropic forge]

i only come up whit that idea cause the other guy, its way too far from what wildcard wanna do i think

[vapid panther]

They won't raid... they'll just tax us to death!

[rare heart]

Im saying shrink the normal kaiju creatures down so the map feels that way

mostly ocean because ark 1 has so, many, goddamn animals in each cubic centimeter of the water

I think just the fact a dino is “big” loses its charm relatively quickly the more you play

At least thats how it is for me

[blissful perch]

Big has to matter

In ark 1 a ton of stuff is big but it’s no different than a smaller creature beyond the stats

[south lance]

^

[blissful perch]

Really large creatures that are rare and have distinct impact on the map and in your tame roster would be amazing

[south lance]

preserve the wonder

make all big creatures passive tames btw

once a big creature is spotted everyones wanna get to it but only some people will have the extra resources to do a ko or more conplicated and resources intensive taming technique

yk whatd be cool

if wild dinos could be better than any bred dinos but these are reeeaally rare or hard to obtain

its sorta like the whole taming bosses thing on extinction but somewhat more of a function of rng and more accessible

basically make alphas tameable and have their stats eclipse bred dinos

combined with inevitable reduced spawn rates and thisd be a cool mechanic i think

[blissful perch]

Imo “titan” sized tames would be entirely split from normal tames

It would be awesome if, for example, a titan sized tame was near invincible from normal damage but had an entirely different set of weaknesses (if you remember our conversation about traps/tethers and the like to hold down a huge creature for a while)

[south lance]

maybe not titan sized

or actually

depends on the creature sizes in game

[blissful perch]

I mean “titan” as in a size class, not to confuse with the ark 1 titans

[south lance]

ok fair

[south lance]

this could be cool

but i think something more like, taking control of a titan would be neat as well

so titans are close to unstoppable, perhaps absurdly slow, but you have to defend against both immobilization and people trying to get into your pillbox to take the reins of the titan

assuming titan class creatures alrrady usually take the effort of multiple peopl

that or you have automated defenses

and the titan itself isnt impossible to solo tame

may or may not bring up the idea of being able to steal peoples tames, or certain ones at least

maybe certain tames are dumber and able to be stolen while others are smarter and know who their owner should be

imprinting also would make certain tames possible or impossible to steal

[dense jungle]

Market system would be dope

[untold ingot]

Pls no market system lol

[untold ingot]

If stealing uncryoed dinos is a thing, it should require using the owners implant, otherwise it would probably be too easy

[split dove]

that would make more sense instead of just going ''yoink, you're mine'' tbh

[untold ingot]

Otherwise you just sneak into someone's pve base and steal all their tames lol

[south lance]

it would require a tame like procedure in some cases

you couldnt just go mount a creature and ride away

but the whole steal system would be a lot more complicated than just that too

[untold ingot]

If it doesn't require something really hard to get, it will be so toxic and dumb that it won't work lol

[south lance]

itll be harder for certain dinos and easier for others

[untold ingot]

Taming isn't hard, especially if the Dino is tamed and not moving

[south lance]

its the time issue with that

[untold ingot]

Time issue is not an issue when someone is off for a day, or even 8 hours

[south lance]

say, youre taming a dino for 5 minutes straight plus some other things

you shouldnt be able to so easily access their dinos

automatic base defenses are still a thing as an assumption

while they are offline and not in use

its when they are going outside and leave their dinos unattended

[untold ingot]

Having to build a gigantic base that is enclosed for every pve Bob is excessive

[south lance]

depends on the dino

if you have a titan as outlined above, then thats fair

the whole point of larger base structures is to house larger dinos

[untold ingot]

No it doesn't, you shouldnt be able to just claim someone's adult Dino lol

[south lance]

which are correspondingly more powerful and require more upkeep

you should be able to gain access to the work of people who are much more powerful but are being really stupid

the system is basically supposed to make unskilled alphas unable to easily keep super powerful tames

[untold ingot]

If it is a creature of a titan class(like a desert titan) I could see something like that. But that cannot happen for most tames.

[south lance]

itd be dependent on the dino

[untold ingot]

I don't even want titan class dinos lol

[south lance]

like smaller, predatory travel dinos wouldnt have this mechanic

[prisma pike]

We call that killing tames

[south lance]

killing isnt enough

[untold ingot]

Anything that isn't a boss type creature shouldn't have this mechanic

[south lance]

plus if you could so easily kill some of these dinos then theyd be worthless

[prisma pike]

You're delusional lol

[south lance]

eh

maybe

the idea is primarily for boss type tames tho yeah

[untold ingot]

Personally I don't even want tames like that lol

[south lance]

i like the concept

though it doesnt need to be something quite the same scale

[untold ingot]

I don't lol, I find the concept unbalanced lol

[south lance]

unbalanced how lol

[untold ingot]

How is taming a titan not unbalanced?

[south lance]

like, ok, you have an issue as betas in a lot of locations are unable to defend

this is moreso meant for larger tribes to fight each other

[untold ingot]

Anything meant for large tribes will invariable be used more agaisnt smaller ones lol

[south lance]

so such a mechanic basically ruins anyone unable to either fight back or move out

though the titan class dino shifter mentioned above need not be exactly like the titans we have in game rn

[untold ingot]

Having a titan in the game requires 2023 ark type bases

And turrets

[south lance]

yeah

so we dont use those exactly

[untold ingot]

I am against having 2023 type bases

[south lance]

scale back everything, make these titans just be properly implemented large dinos

brontos that are actually hard to kill for instance

[untold ingot]

Then why have a steal mechanic lol

[south lance]

these are still analogous to titans

they just cant wipe a base in a minute

[untold ingot]

If they can't and turrets aren't the primary defenses, then then will be useless lol

[south lance]

you extend minutes to an hour or 2, make then extremely hard to kill with most dps

its just slowing the game down basically

you still have to deal with these with a lot of force

[untold ingot]

I don't see how that slows the game down lol

[south lance]

?

[untold ingot]

Invincible titan class creatures only speed the game up lol

[south lance]

because they can take out a lot in a short amount of time

its not because they have a lot of hp

its purely their own dps

[prisma pike]

What

[south lance]

?

[prisma pike]

How does that slow things down

[untold ingot]

Titan class creatures are a bad idea imo. I don't want to see anything giga size, or titan size, and I don't want to see a repeat of ext

[south lance]

im slowing things down from ark1 standards

im not adding this thing to slow things down compared to a normal ark2 raid

[prisma pike]

I'd rather die than play anything slower than ark 1 raids

[south lance]

the whole point of this is a force multiplier, but its not like this means your base is gone in 20 minutes

[untold ingot]

Ark1 raids against well built bases take hours and hours and hours. They don't need to be slowed down lol

[south lance]

provided no online defense ofc

if theres online defense then the raid time gets way more complicated

and thats where you find your issue with ark1 raids being days on end

[prisma pike]

Cause there's too much cc

[untold ingot]

Either you give it dps against structures, or it's not worth using. If you give it that, you force the game to 2023 standards for bases

[south lance]

online defense would need to change too, im not sure how tho since any offensive tactics and defensive tactics can be used with raids or defenses esp with fobs and stuff

how much of raid time is extended by people being able to rebuild walls and repair/refill turrets

is this significant basically

[untold ingot]

I don't enjoy turret pvp, I don't want to see it return

[south lance]

or is raid basically about making sure they cant get past the first wall

[prisma pike]

Depends on the spot and how well the tribes defending

[south lance]

and the next couple are helpful but not super significant in comparison

[untold ingot]

Titan class dinos forces turret pvp

[south lance]

i think there could be alternatives but we dont know what base automated defenses could look like

cause no matter what you need automated defenses on any base in ark2

that or just stay hidden

[prisma pike]

Plant x lol

[south lance]

turrets are just the most obvious implementation for this

besides like, aggressive dinos

but whether thats useful will be dependent on the extent of dino AI

[untold ingot]

If it's plant x, and dinos are significantly nerfed as far as mutation and saddle armor, then that works. Because you can't just rock up everywhere with a stack of 100 turrets to raid, it takes prep and time

[prisma pike]

My 160k hp stegos are balanced idk what you mean

[south lance]

so the main issue you have is that turrets are basically just pure dps?

and you want turrets that scale back the dps and have other ways of making it hard for raiders

[untold ingot]

No, the main issue is that with turrets (especially battery turrets) literally ALL pvp is just pushing turrets and spam. It's not a fun way to pvp

[south lance]

why would this not change with plant x

[prisma pike]

True

[south lance]

you still need to destroy the plants

[untold ingot]

Because plant x are not easily replaced and take time to grow

[south lance]

its just far more easier and less about having a stupidly high hp tame

or maybe not easier, just less about having these insane tames atm

[untold ingot]

It's a better option than instant turrets, and would force some pvp outside of turret pvp lkl

[south lance]

yeah true

[prisma pike]

What if they could be potted

[south lance]

esp since they arent instakills

but they have other cool mechanics like no heal and slowdown and poison

[untold ingot]

🤢

[prisma pike]

True

[untold ingot]

Potting plant x would literally turn the game back into turret capture simulator

Or turret camping

It's a really not fun way to play lol

[covert tapir]

plants vs creatures

who needs zombies anyway

[south lance]

so should most bases have a system where if something is destroyed, its generally impossible to rebuild mid raid

what about repairs too

[untold ingot]

Basically yeah, imo

If people can't just plop a turret fob down, why should a defender be able to easily repair?

If they can't have easily placed turrets, just push them off

[split dove]

can't really argue with that, it's actually filled with them. you can see that they play it with how they speak lol

[untold ingot]

Maybe. My idea isn't really a hard set "I want this". What I do want is pvp that isn't ALL turret pushing like it is now

If turrets are easily spammable, then it wont

Okay, give me your idea how a raid will work then lol

[blissful perch]

I think it'll be tough enough with the immobilization techniques tbh lol

[blissful perch]

again I can't stress enough that the topic of my idea is SIZE classes, not functional titans. I just mean something very large

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2!!!!

[blissful perch]

the titan can do 0 damage to structures or other creatures tbh and just be used as a mobile base (or some other utility role)

[untold ingot]

Youll have to clarify. Do brachies count in your titan class?

[blissful perch]

they could? Depends entirely on their mechanics rather than their actual size

the point is that they would be closer to an environment in combat rather than a combatant

[covert tapir]

how will taming a brachio work? wrong answers only

[split dove]

you shove berries up it's butt

[covert tapir]

ill start: you gotta clean its toes to gain its trust

i had a dream about that

[untold ingot]

I don't really want anything larger than a brachi tbh

[split dove]

the only thing bigger than a brachi should be a boss at most tbh

[untold ingot]

Of the boss is a large brachi, sure

I would rather the bosses be smaller and have to fight them on foot mostly lol

[covert tapir]

you guys think there will be a boss in game when it launches

or they come with time

[split dove]

they could have one at launch if it's like genesis brute versions of like Aratai for example, there's gotta be at least a Aratai king or a few super jacked ones

[dense jungle]

Villages so u can kidnap all the kids and enslave them and hold for ransom

[untold ingot]

How to say you are a sociopath without saying you are a sociopath lol

[split dove]

average ark pvp players be like

[blissful perch]

huge bosses are fine in souls combat

but obviously not all bosses could or should be massive

kinda also boils down to how "souls like" the mounted combat will be

[covert tapir]

maybe there will be bosses for melee and for creatures

like a small ass cave where the player gotta fight a mean arati

and after that the big creature appears and the your tames will assist you aswell or some stuff

[lime flicker]

Watch the aratai do shadow magic and can mind control your tames 🫣

[split dove]

seeing as they didn't mention it in the crunch from last week it could be likely

[untold ingot]

They are going to drop it on an obscure Twitter account on midnight Tuesday so no one can see it 😂

[south lance]

when we gonna go fight the whole moon because it happens to be a massive singular conscious entity

or rather its consolidated avatar

or maybe you just nuke its core

[split dove]

they know we're trying to find patterns, so they're just gonna release out of nowhere to spite everyone trying to figure out when it's coming

[south lance]

true

[split dove]

i got a better idea, we steal the moon

[south lance]

i dont think anyone can even make any patterns from their info drops tho

thats what we are doing anyhow

colonizer moment

[split dove]

we colonize the moon to use the moon rocks in our food recipes

[south lance]

we grind it into a powder and snort it

[winged dome]

Goopify moon rock to use for Portal-friendly surfaces

[mint swan]

Guys
We blow a hole through the moon

[west hound]

We are the moon

[south lance]

the moon was the friends we made along the way

[mint swan]

Is ark 2 gonna have the same pvp style or do I have to press Q to do a special attack if so I’m not buying it

[near crypt]

is it worth starting on ark 1 still

[astral token]

Yes

[split dove]

basicly current ark 1 fighting but with more skill required and combos to use, bc the current cookie clicker combat is boring enough to make you fall asleep. if you think current ark combat is engaging you're not real.

[astral token]

Skill issue guys will obviously hate this👍🏽

[split dove]

we didn't clip it

☕

[blissful perch]

You wouldn’t be able to tell I fell asleep because it’s the same as if I was awake 😂🧠

[limber gust]

whens it coming tho

[split dove]

atm just 2023, we might have a more specific date with the ark roadmap around the corner coming this month

[winged dome]

🍻

[astral token]

I crave that email inviting me to the alpha test (if there is one going on)

[past wind]

Of course there is, but not an open one.

[tropic forge]

i really hope wildcard wise up and stops using players to test their stuff cause always it will be faulty as hell, outbalance glitches etc

[stray elm]

That's up there of one of the dumbest takes I've heard here.

[tropic forge]

ho really 🤣

[astral token]

People are needed to give design/gameplay feedback as well

Not just mfs trying to fing exploits and glitches

[split dove]

You most likely won't get a release date for the roadmap, you will just get the roadmap.

[untold ingot]

A road map without dates would be a pretty poor roadmap

[astral token]

A road map without dates is a good road map, not a good roadmap

🛤️ 🗺️

[strong lava]

How long till ark 2 comes out

[lime flicker]

No date yet, a “roadmap” is being released this month by wildcard, I’m hoping there will be some news in there

[blissful perch]

It’s fine if the road map has no concrete dates. As long as we can see the general list of planned things that’s a start at least

[split dove]

i'd be more down with time windows for stuff, so they can showcase it whenever it's ready instead of having to push things back.

[winged dome]

🍻

[vernal glen]

🍻

[strong lava]

🍻

[strong lava]

🍻

[past wind]

I just hope they cover the whole franchise on this roadmap, with at least release windows. If they choose to leave any of the products out It would be underwhelming.

By that I mean they need to cover Ark 1 on UE5, Ark 2 and the animated series.

[winged dome]

They should, seeing as they called the Roadmap 'for the entire Ark franchise'

[past wind]

Yeah, for that reason I hope they cover it all

At least one important info for each of them

[potent hull]

do not for get info on how to find alpha new home on ark 2 or show us a map of the hole planet

[untold ingot]

They want to?

I think that's kind of the point

It could also be that they have funds that are locked into ark1 that they can't use for ark2 because business, so they decided to do ark1 Ue5

I mean, businesses don't usually have full fluid access to funding lol

They can't just use it anywhere

Yeah I guess so. I don't know details and they haven't really said much about it

Yeah, it's kind of horrific to do. But they did say the switch port helped them line it up better

[past wind]

My guess is, they’ve seen Ark 1 is still pretty popular and they don’t want to let it go just yet.

Maybe the costs to update the engine aren’t so high at all

[winged dome]

All of the assets should be transferable, just need to update and recalibrate the mechanics

[potent hull]

i hop to see a ark 2 full map of the planet we will be on to no were everything thing is

[winged dome]

Granted, thats still probably a lengthy process with Ark1's spaghetti code

[past wind]

TBF, Sony and Microsoft just extended their licenses to have Ark 1 on their online services (ps now and game pass).

So I guess it’s still profitable

[potent hull]

lol

[past wind]

Im just connecting the dots: they know Ark 2 isn’t for everyone, some people are already done with Ark 1. Why not keep both as long as profitable?!

[winged dome]

Was it stated somewhere that the UE5 upgrade was going to be free?

[tropic crag]

Yes, iirc

[winged dome]

Nice. Even if it was paid, I'd probably still grab it to check it out and help support

[covert tapir]

how would they even make it cost money?

it changes the whole game no? they cant just force them do buy it

like ue4 and ue5 couldnt play on a server together

no?

[vapid panther]

I see it as WC wants to keep PS and old consoles interested in Ark until they upgrade their systems. Its the proverbial candy in the window or free advertising.

[untold ingot]

This isn't entirely true. Ark1 is still profitable

[untold ingot]

No, Ue4 and Ue5 could not play on a server together in my understanding

I don't know the figures for it, but it's still really profitable

[blissful perch]

Might be for ark 1-2 compatibility for future possibilities

[untold ingot]

There was a livestream where they talked about it.

[blissful perch]

I’m thinking of something like a creature asset being brought over or a map or something rather than a direct port

[tropic forge]

hey guys, lets go back to topic, when ark 2 comes out, will roadmap be delay and can someone post the lizard plant pic pls

[winged dome]

Ark2: Ab2 🙏

[past wind]

AB 2 could be:

1 - A system of caves under the whole planet of Arat where the "AB surface" should be Arat's inner core.
2 - A moon closer to Arat where it's impossible to live on the surface. And where some of the genesis creatures fell.

[tropic forge]

as long it as flashy colors dont care if is in the moon or the planets core

[past wind]

I'd would prefer a system of caves, connection the radioactive inner core of the planet, than onether planet/moon

for Ark 2 I don't want transfers just to go to other regions/planets

[ionic meteor]

Based off recent concepts and what they said about ARK 2 being primarily primitive then the second possibility is very slim, I'd bet on caves for now.

[tropic crag]

Would be really cool if we did eventually go to the other satellite of the gas giant that Arat orbits, assuming that it isn't it's own planet and the gas giant is the satellite lol

Actually no, regardless of whether or not it's its own planet is what I meant to say 😅

[past wind]

But jeremy and jesse confirmed some kind of enviromental tek, which could mean obelisks and things like that. But, yeah, I'd rather see the first option.

[ionic meteor]

Its not out of the realm of possibility though, they could do a future DLC where you 'somehow' go there using scrap obelisk or idk.

to go to the other moons

But world building is very important so that'll be a lot of work to do.

Speaking of world building I'm not sure if wildcard will do this but I figured it'll be very neat if they go crazy with world building and go elders scrolls-style world building where you'd see the humans living on arat naming the arat continents and region's specific names, and the world map be very 'inaccurate' same as earth's map back in the 1800s and see it become accurate throughout ARK 2's lifespan, a nice attention of detail would be very cool.

[left carbon]

Probably no incubators perhaps no maewing. Hand feeding babies again 😆

[past wind]

There's that: "There are too many other areas of fundamental changes in ARK 2, whether it’s the new opposing-force ‘Aratai’ who have their own tames, the new Creature Management & proper World Map systems"

"proper World Map systems"

Which it's still to be explained

[ionic meteor]

Wait.. how come I never noticed this 🙂

I always thought it was 'World Event systems' or thought it referred to that.

[past wind]

there's both

different features, I guess

[untold ingot]

8 mean there are dynamic world events

[split dove]

Another area that we’re particularly excited about is the World Event system. Rather than simply having a more-or-less static environment with easily predictable or repetitive occurrences ala ARK 1, the new World Event system is designed to ensure that unique things are always happening around the world, whether you are there or not. Events include procedurally-dynamic scenarios like watering hole gatherings, wounded creatures, tracking the signs of advanced prey, stampedes, herds, defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges.

[untold ingot]

I'm pretty excited how they implement that

[past wind]

after that, on another paragraph:

There are too many other areas of fundamental changes in ARK 2, whether it’s the new opposing-force ‘Aratai’ who have their own tames, the new Creature Management & proper World Map systems, the advanced component-based item crafting that enables players to choose exactly what their gear looks and functions like from millions of potential combinations, or the revamped build system which provides innumerable more building options and enables saving & sharing of build templates – or, or…well, there’s just too much to go over here! You’ll get your first preview of the ARK 2 gameplay down the road, and we think you’ll like what you see.

[split dove]

if you need anything from the founders note or steam page, i'm basicly a goddam librarian at this point

[left carbon]

Just reslly hope its not scripted play and is open world like last or oof

[untold ingot]

It's 2023, it'll be open world

[past wind]

Alaready confirmed it will be an open-world sandbox game

[left carbon]

Would hope so just some of the wording

[ionic meteor]

Like I haven't read that a million times due to the recent drought of information, yet I never noticed 'World Map systems' 😅

[left carbon]

Think will be realm transport since last three had it and cave scene?

[untold ingot]

Only fjordur had realms?

[left carbon]

well gen1 hlna and fjordur sry

😆

[untold ingot]

Gen1 was a simulation, ark2 is not

[past wind]

both needed it

[ionic meteor]

This might be the 337th time I read this, I'll probably end up reading it again to check for something I missed because I'm an idiot sometimes.

[past wind]

both had like parallel worlds

[left carbon]

From minimal footage hard to say i guess

[past wind]

Man, it's already confirmed Arat is a moon

not a simulation

[left carbon]

Cool

[ionic meteor]

Wait it is? I always thought the opposite and that blue planet being a small water world, I guess they're taking heavy inspiration from avatar.

[past wind]

Let's say it's half confirmed it's a moon. Because it's on the ark 1's Dev Kit

[left carbon]

I just assume from running in the cave a perhaps new mode of transport may become available bit could just be preview magic.

[ionic meteor]

ark 1 dev kit? what does it say though?

[past wind]

It's like the Arat is the moon from the gas giant

also the planet is a huge archipelago (lots of islands)

it's half official because it's not public

so they can change it

[blissful perch]

I think it would be a cool ending to ark 2…use an obelisk at the very end and fight a moon boss

[tropic crag]

Hell yeah, RoR2 style

Here we come, Mithrix

You OP bastard

[winged dome]

Fight the Moon, but like Majora's Mask moon

[potent hull]

flay me to the moon

[cold locust]

So apparently there was a comment made by Wildcard ceo on LinkedIn sometime ago where he was quoted saying "Ark 2 is in development, TV will be announced with a partner and out shortly, and we are embarking on something which has NEVER been done in the 50 years of video games (at least we don't think it's been done...). The future can not be any more exciting for Ark and Ark 2."

[ripe cedar]

ok

what about it?

[cold locust]

I don’t have a LinkedIn account so can’t confirm. But what do you think he’s talking about?

“Never been done”

[ripe cedar]

uh

probably nothing

[cold locust]

Hmm I think that’s been done before so that can’t be it.

[ripe cedar]

well, not really worth speculating about and if it is really that crazy will be reveal next week or 2 on the roadmap

[cold locust]

This channel has only ever been speculation.

[ripe cedar]

yeah, just because there is a lot of it, doesn't make it any less pointless

[cold locust]

You’re boring.

[ripe cedar]

I've been here too long

[cold locust]

Makes sense

[ripe cedar]

I saw the birth of this channel and will most likely see its end as well

and there has probably been <10 somewhat decent conversations in that entire time

[cold locust]

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

[ripe cedar]

ok

name more than 1

[cold locust]

Discussions on the map size, the benefits of how unreal 5 renders polys and the possibilities it gives to ark 2. Off the top of my head anyway. I’m sure there were more cause I’m not on here 24/7. Oh and of course speculating on what “NEVER been done in the 50 years of gaming” can mean

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2 !!!

[tropic crag]

The CEO in question talks out his ass a lot, don't take anything from LinkedIn at face value, either lmao

[winged dome]

🍻

Why would you think its solo based, when its advertised as as PvP? 🤔

🤦

[tropic forge]

its not advertised only as pvp, it starts whit single player, MMO, online pvp, online co.op

[winged dome]

Its not even a weekly update though, its literally on the start screen for Ark 😂

Ever since Ark2's announcement, its been advertised on the title screen for Ark1 that 2 is going to be PvP

Its been there for like 2 years

[tropic forge]

do a quick search on that guy's name and you will get whats going on

[winged dome]

Effort

Realize, we've been answering these dumb questions nonstop for 2 years now because people aren't smart enough to read the information thats literally right infront of them

[tropic forge]

im pretty sure some are just fake acc's that remember to come here just to ask 🤣

[winged dome]

No

[cold locust]

Do you know what Ark is?

Go watch a YouTube video on the first game. It will give you an idea.

[summer lake]

Is there release date yet or estimate

[winged dome]

🍻

[cold locust]

No

[worthy void]

think of it as rust bet a million times better with tames to dinos and much more fun experience

[mortal kestrel]

ark has never been solo based, and in fact until genesis came along, the mechanics of the game actively discouraged solo play

the only people who solo in ark are either people who suck so bad no one wants them, or people who just know how to do everything and dont need the help

[mortal kestrel]

supposedly this year, but with arks ue5 update being revealed, I have my doubts

[summer lake]

I built new PC as mine was 6 years old. Still going strong but new demanding games like ark 2 I needed something better sure. Just got my new build done over the weekend. Should handle anything no problem

[sonic elbow]

Entirely untrue.

I know that for me personally, I prefer a solo experience compared to the allegedly broken and admittedly toxic multiplayer scene ARK has.

Not everyone wants to deal with other people.

[mint swan]

Not their point. You cant deny that ark is group based. Just like overwatch for example, you play in teams. If you dont talk to each other you probably play worse rather than with communication. And yes, soloplayers are entirely welcome but tribes are one of the core mechanics

[hard trellis]

I just don't like playing with people, let me try dumb impossible challenge alone XD
(... Like, beating bosses using a slingshot and not allowed to use tame when my thing is taming and breeding XD)

Also, all the time I tried to play online it was toxic and my friends don't have ark or the occasion to play at the same time than me

So yeah, even if it's a second thought like for the first one, I do hope we'll get at least a single-player option at one moment

[mortal kestrel]

it really isnt untrue, and is infact quite the opposite

just because you're socially awkward like 90% of the people online does not dispute the fact

[mortal kestrel]

I feel like arkII will be even more reliant on groups than arkI is, while at the same time being more solo friendly

we are getting the ability to climb everywhere, actual parkour mechanics, and even a dodge roll, so we will definitely have some tools at our disposal for surviving alone

[blissful perch]

SP is also for folks unable to be in groups due to time constraints (and ofc is the only way to play offline)

[south lance]

it isnt actually hard to get into a tribe with 0 social skills so its not really that thats the issue

i got into a mega despite literally never using my mic

[sonic elbow]

?? Just because I don't want to deal with assholes raiding me online, I'm socially awkward??

Are you delusional?

[south lance]

people avoid tribes because theres a lot of rules and people doing weird shit and also quotas

its just a bit of a silly take

[sonic elbow]

I've watched PvP videos where people have had to up and leave their everyday lives just to get on and defend being raided.

[south lance]

the commitment is massive up to a point

[sonic elbow]

And even in PvE you have to resource micromanage a LOT from what I know.

[south lance]

id say the time commitment curve peaks around like 5-10 players

after that it can increase or decrease depending on tribe

solo is definitely the lowest possible tho

you can play an hour a week on 1x solo cause quetz bases

[south lance]

actually nvm

its generally just upwards and then it plateaus

theoretically you can also put in next to no work if youre in a big tribe but theyll probably just kick you

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

[south lance]

your take

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

[south lance]

👍

[untold ingot]

Time commitment is smallest for solo players? In my experience the opposite is true lol, being a solo player and surviving in pvp takes more than the average time commitment

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping arkII will have swing mechanics with its grapple hooks

[ripe cedar]

To stop tribes from having too many players, just remove players

[mortal kestrel]

biggus brainus

[south lance]

i just described why its really less

its just that you have to use cheese

but thats a given as a solo

[mortal kestrel]

well as one who only plays solo, its the opposite

[untold ingot]

I don't think it really is less though

[south lance]

i think you can easily get by with a couple hours a week

[mortal kestrel]

you have to do everything yourself

so if you put in no time, you aint got shit

[untold ingot]

On pvp? I really don't think so, unless you get handed all your tames and live in a quetz

[mortal kestrel]

where as with bigger tribes, you generally only have to do one or two tasks and you're good

[south lance]

the issue in ark is how much constant maintenance certain playstyles take. As a solo you have access to playstyles with extremely little maintenance

[ripe cedar]

The way to make one player be able to fight more enemies at once is to increase the amount of aoe damage so that the enemy spreads out more and can therefore be handled easier(theoretically)

[south lance]

thats my assumption lol

just because its so optimal

[untold ingot]

My personal experience has demonstrated to me that the time commitment is actually less in a bigger tribe

[south lance]

if you want to commit to a proper base its not a necessity

[mortal kestrel]

"hand me tames because Im lazy" kek

[untold ingot]

Most people don't do that

[south lance]

they should

if they wanna solo

like, ok, if you want to do everything a normal tribe does like building walls, farming ammo and structures, and breeding, yes solo is multiple times more effort

[untold ingot]

I have a year of soloing on official lol, living on a quetz never worked out for me

[ripe cedar]

Where did you live?

[south lance]

its been working for me, though theres a lot more dead servers now

[hard trellis]

I would go aroung handing time to Bobs. I play SP (because stuff I already told) so I can't XD

[south lance]

going on 6 months atm

[untold ingot]

I keep that a secret lol, because I might go back jaja

[ripe cedar]

Not the exact location? Was it a rathole or something else

[astral token]

Good on u 💯

[untold ingot]

I have done ratholes, but the most stable spot isn't a rathole, and it's not a quetz lkl

[south lance]

its probably some secluded region on a low pop map

[ripe cedar]

Yeah but if its in the open then someone will find it eventually

[untold ingot]

I had a spot with so much gear that lasted forever without getting raided. And it even works on highly populated unofficials

[south lance]

quetz is still gonna be way more consistent with not getting griefed on a similar pop map tho

just because searching skybox is harder

[untold ingot]

People have esp for finding quetz bases

[south lance]

this might not apply to valg i suppose since theres a lot more elevation

[untold ingot]

The best quetz maps are rag, ci, fjordur and lost island

[ripe cedar]

Yeah just the maps with biggest area

[south lance]

also ocean

[untold ingot]

They all have a sky box height enough to have a space out of render to both ground view and top of the border view

Don't put it over the ocean 🥹, everyone and their pet monkey do that

[south lance]

since if the maps like valguero then the elevation probably makes sky base less viable

[south lance]

depends on what the land is like and how the ocean is set up

its still way too much map to search over

[untold ingot]

People search over the ocean, but they don't search over the mainland usually

[ripe cedar]

Ok but what if you put your quetz, in the ocean

[untold ingot]

If you have a quetz base that survived you are on 1x lol, they won't survive long on smalls

[south lance]

smalls people are tryhard

[ripe cedar]

1x has so many dead servers its funny

[untold ingot]

By necessity

[ripe cedar]

And last time i checked was over a year ago

Probably way more now

[south lance]

getting a hidden base to last more than 2 months like your case is the exception

[untold ingot]

They are all claimed and held. It's just tribe size and ease of transport (with limited viable spots) that make them low pop

[south lance]

its mostly the addition of new servers i think

[left carbon]

In terms of gameplay, the Aratai could
provide a formidable adversary that
players must overcome through
strategic thinking and skilful combat.
It's possible that players may need to
form alliances with other players or
tribes to effectively take on the Aratai
threat.
Overall, the addition of the Aratai and
their tamed creatures to ARK: Survival
Evolved 2 could provide an exciting
and challenging new gameplay
element that will keep players
engaged and on their toes.

[south lance]

fjordur, lost servers are all dead

and theres like 70 of them

[ripe cedar]

New servers and probably less players as well

At least on official

[untold ingot]

I don't get why lost is dead lol, it has some of the most broken base spots in the whole gamd

[south lance]

i dunno if players went down much

[untold ingot]

Number of players didn't really go down

As far as I can see

[south lance]

its just not moving to new servers

theres still active islands and stuff

[untold ingot]

Island maps have been developed over 8 years lol

[left carbon]

Question is will servers be capped out unable to join like past map releases or will the old gen consoles dropping off/ more servers account for that.

[mortal kestrel]

tbh its likely because of how quick fjordur released after it

fjordur is basically the new ragnarok, everyone has it, and everyone wants to be on it

but unlike rag, fjordur is actually suited for this x3

[sacred heron]

ark2 release date out yet?

[lunar finch]

Nope.

[winged dome]

🍻

[lime flicker]

Hopefully soon ☹️

I can’t wait for ark 2!!!

[hard hearth]

Ark 2 release date its 2025

Next year we going to have Ark 1 on UE5

[worldly garden]

lmao, UE5 is bound to come this year. Most of the work is already done.

[mint swan]

honestly i think we are gonna get ue5 sometime in the summer and ark two around sometime mid next year

[tropic forge]

honestly everything gonna be delay except the animed, will start mid summer 🥱

[bitter hinge]

Always wondered so with ark 2 coming do we all just play as Vin diesel? Or

[split dove]

No, Vin is Santiago and will be part of the story as a npc. we're still gonna be our own characters and able to play out our own stories while also being able to experience the story of Ark 2.

[ripe cedar]

ok, but everyone will try to look like him in the character creator anyway

[winged dome]

🍻

[bitter hinge]

OOHHH....but now I question.. Since ark 2 takes place after we defeat rockwell would that mean our ark 1 survivors are just floating I'm space and watching over them?

[split dove]

it's kinda implied the survivor in the exo-mek was initiating an autodock on the eden ring at the end, but i think like extinction over to Genesis was it's probably gonna be up to us if we're the same survivor or a clone from the eden ring.

[winged dome]

You can only play Ark2 if you beat Alpha Rockwell Prime on Official servers, otherwise you're not allowed to start the game

Because your Survivor never made it Ariat

[covert tapir]

we should all make and name our char after santiago so he looks confused when we meet him

[tropic forge]

done it even before transfers were open 🤣

[covert tapir]

id need people to play ark with lol

[fallow niche]

2023, we may get more info in the roadmap that is supposed to release this month.

It's a new game, so I doubt it.

[past wind]

Definitely not the same maps. Ark 2 map is a new world called Arat. If the old maps will be accessible through mods we don’t know yet.

But I believe people will at least try to convert them. Also WC might convert the old maps. But the main story will be centered on Arat.

[split dove]

it's also a timed launch exclusive for pc and Xbox series x/s, playstation might come later down the line.

[jolly cradle]

So when UE5 Ark1 comes out, do we get to play with mods on epic games? Will the mods be in folders(like right now) or will they be downloaded from within the game?

[covert tapir]

ark switching to ue5 has nothing to do with epic games mods

i guess it will stay the same

[blissful perch]

The error for sure is getting ark on epic

[winged dome]

🍻

[mint swan]

2023. If i had to take a wild guess i would say between 50-70 euro's

[tropic forge]

gotta keep in mind when ppl complain ark not doing so well on epic those are freeloaders that got the game for free and still aint happy

[unborn galleon]

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🙄I hate how they don't refer to it as "Ark 2"

As if ark 1 was going to get any better lol

[worldly garden]

Why would they refer to it as ARK 2?

[mint swan]

Why not

[unborn galleon]

Cuz they hate talking about it

[winged dome]

Its a roadmap for the Ark franchise - Ark1, Ark2, and the animated series - not just Ark2 😂

[worldly garden]

Yeah it's everything about ARK, including SOTF.

[tropic forge]

and will be delay as company rule

[winged dome]

Nah, everything Ark except SOTF 😂

[worldly garden]

nah lol we know SOTF will be included.

[stray elm]

Do we?

[mint swan]

Everyone saying "ark 2" but i say "ark II"

[worldly garden]

Yeah they will be updating us on crossplay.

and maybe Switch.

[stray elm]

Huh

[stray elm]

Stiiiill needs a better name then just 'ARK-2'

[winged dome]

Ark: The Second

[mint swan]

Ark 3

Just like goat simulator did

[untold ingot]

Ark 2: vindiago involved

[winged dome]

Or just one of confusing as hell Final Fantasy titles
Ark: Forever Passage of the Second Turn - Fates Intertwined RE: 87.j

[mint swan]

Ark: survival devolved
Ark: new home

[worldly garden]

They already used that for an April Fool's years back.

The devolved one

[winged dome]

Oh yeah, play as a dino that was abandoned

[tropic forge]

ark 2: no return ark 3: homecoming 🤣

[worldly garden]

Primal Survival was the one that was abandoned, the Survival Devolved was just an April Fool joke.

[untold ingot]

They could probably go back now and remade the play as Dino and have it be awesome. The noglin gave the functionality for that

[daring hemlock]

Primal survival being abandoned was sad

It had true potential

[covert tapir]

Ark: Survival advanced

[winged dome]

It should be free 'cuz I own Ark1

[untold totem]

Let transfer all ARK 1 tames to ARK 2

[tropic crag]

Those aren't really your takes though, are they?

ᴬʳᵉ ᵗʰᵉʸˀ

[winged dome]

Fair

[split dove]

''Ark 2 should just be ark 1 but with better graphics''

[stray elm]

Aratai's should be recruitable.

[past wind]

WC should pay me, cuz I own Ark 1 since day one

[untold ingot]

Giant map, severely nerfed movement speed, 0 cryos

[verbal wind]

i bought an N64 25 years ago, Nintendo should send me a new Switch

[bitter hinge]

What if ark 2 is just like old ark 1

[verbal wind]

Alpha-build Ark?

[untold ingot]

Then they would have completely mislead us lol

[bitter hinge]

Yup

[bitter hinge]

I wouldn't even be mad

[untold ingot]

Everyone else would be kkl

[blissful perch]

Agree that’s an insane take

[blissful perch]

Does said giant map need to be handcrafted? Remind me so I can label it as insane

[untold ingot]

Procedural generation is fine, as long as the generator is up to par

[winged dome]

Massive map, with hand placed blades of grass

[south lance]

i do it

[oblique frost]

Ark: two past, two furious.

Yes, map travel time creates the sense of a living and large world.

Look at Morrowind or even Skyrim, you walked at the speed of a geriatric who is a bit winded and people thought the world was massive as a result.

It also gives more function to mobile bases and a purpose to creating caravans.

[untold ingot]

Yes

[winged dome]

I'd looooove mobile bases being actually viable

[untold ingot]

I want it to take a week of pve gameplay to cross the map

I want to travel, then set up an encampment around my mobile base, with tents and fires and spikea

[oblique frost]

100%
I already do this but at the moment its for RP as it's not mechanically encouraged at all.

[untold ingot]

I want it to be viable and or necessary to do

[oblique frost]

On that note, I'd also like to see the return of and expansion of game changing weather. It would mechanically also encourage being always prepared and having a camping set or mobile base with you.
Or at least knowing where the rat holes to hide in are along the journey.

[untold ingot]

I don't want ratholes at all

[oblique frost]

I'm more meaning mild shelters like alcoves or cliff wall nooks than the present pvp base caves, but yes, bad choice of word on my part.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I just want travel to be dangerous and be a significant part of the gameplay loop

[tropic forge]

love when ppl confuse open world whit narrow story line games 🤣

[untold ingot]

I don't like narrow storyline games even when they are open world

Hdz for example

[tropic forge]

yet having huge amount of time to travel aint for mmo open world which you mention thats what you want

[untold ingot]

Why is that?

[tropic forge]

do i really need to say it? can you figure it out?

not to mention in online game you cant pause or save the game and leave whenever you want 🤣

[oblique frost]

I dunno man, WoW became the most successful MMO in history in part by using slow travel to make their world feel massive.

Now, I don't think they did an interesting or good take on it, but even then it very overtly did work to get people in and invested in the world at the start.

I think we are more asking for it take take 5 hours to get from one side of the map to the other, not to get to the nearest essential resource node.

[tropic forge]

let me guess? on wow they dont have portals? no means for quick trips?

gotta be real, on a game when you die you loose youre shit or youre too far away and you base is attack and destroy aint the same as wow i think

[oblique frost]

Airports and Docks at launch, which made travelling to the far sides of the world a dedicated decision rather than a ubisoft map style click icon and plop.

[oblique frost]

That's a fair point, but hence things like mobile bases or even tames that act as travelling respawn points so you prep to travel long distances.

[tropic forge]

now if you want to feel that long amount felling asleep walk trips i recommend to go on single and just play on foot

mobile bases 🤮 that reminds me the forbbiden last C&C from tiberuim wars

[mellow wadi]

L

[left carbon]

Do you think the Aratai will have flyers?

[ionic meteor]

Oh hell nah imagine being picked up by an aratai riding a pteranodon

[mint swan]

[ionic meteor]

ARK 2 to have no cryos

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2 !!!! @winged dome

[brave trail]

can they just give us ark 2 already

[split dove]

Cryos shouldn't have been pokeballs to begin with, we needed a structure where we can store dinos in the same way. let's hope we have a stable esc structure where we can store dinos in Ark 2

be happy if we get a release window for Ark 2 with the roadmap coming this month, or do you want it out now while being super buggy and unoptimized? a rushed game will almost never recover if it fails, delays that make the game better on release are worth it imo.

[blissful perch]

The 4x rates across the board may have helped too 😅

[split dove]

''we need higher rates'' you're basicly already playing on unofficial server rates compared to og Ark 1 rates