ark-2

[untold ingot]

So do most conceptions of magic tbf

[south lance]

and said constraints dont have to be cool

the issue is that magic constraints can be formed to still be cool

[untold ingot]

And typically the restraints on magic are far more arbitrary and nonsensical

[south lance]

physics can

[lime forge]

Quit comparing pocket protectors and bring it back around to Ark 2.

[south lance]

but its way harder

[lime forge]

Fuckin nerds

[south lance]

that doesnt really matter

[untold ingot]

I don't think nonsense is cool, but that's just me I guess lol

[south lance]

probably

you try to think way too hard about a video game

i just need things to look cool and be fun

[untold ingot]

I have yet to encounter an actual magic idea that actually made sense and was well developed

[south lance]

excessive rationality is great in almost 0 cases

i mean theres a couple well developed magic systems

like Tolkiens

[lime forge]

Fuck tolkiens

[south lance]

but usually magic is just there to make a decent story

and heres a thing with magic today, we already have decent tropes and systems to copy from

[untold ingot]

Tolkeins system of magic was never explained or described lol, so it's hard to classify it

[south lance]

you dont need to build a new system from nothing

[untold ingot]

That is why windows is terrible though

[lime forge]

Ark 2s magic will for sure be element related

[south lance]

?

what does windows have to do with this

[rare heart]

Ark magic is basically star wars magic

[lime forge]

Essentially just humanoid manas

[untold ingot]

Adding scraps and nonsense onto old systems invariably makes issues lol

[lavish rain]

Good ending: the aratai end up with tek and wipe out humanity because Vin wnats to be a tek hater

[south lance]

that happens if your system needs to be perfectly self consistent

magic doesnt

magic, you get a broad concept, shove it in, and glue the edges with lore copium

[untold ingot]

Which makes it distinguishable from advanced technology, which was my whole point lol

[rare heart]

its like starwars

Techy space shit with organisms that defy what is physically possible for no real reason why

[untold ingot]

Yeah don't get me started with that lol

[south lance]

advanced tech is something i think nobody has ever actually implemented in a fictional setting to a degree that satisfies the type of people who worry about details like this

[untold ingot]

Starwars was a cool concept in like the 80s

[rare heart]

The force… why? Its cool

metachlorians or whatever

[untold ingot]

It's inconsistent lol

[south lance]

i asked somewhere about what franchise has done this sort of realism well and i got the one series every stem nerd talks about, the expanse

anything besides the expanse? who knows

[rare heart]

machines that poop out easily domesticated dinosaurs some how

[south lance]

and its not like i havent seen people meme about how the expanse isnt realistic enough

so i think the whole worrying over realism isnt actually useful or healthy for fictional worlds

[untold ingot]

Tbh, cloning is way more real and consistent than magic "force"

[south lance]

it can be good, but the costs involved are not outweighed by the marginal benefits evidently

[rare heart]

Yeah but still crazy and isnt possible its just cool

But like dragons, and a lot of other creatures are just magic

[untold ingot]

True, but I do like it when the world creation is robust enough to not seem trivial. And when people create their magic system or whatever, it always seems trivial, incomplete and not well developed

[south lance]

thats because you can never make a non trivial magic system

[rare heart]

And ark 2 cant really be a zoo like ark 1 now because we aren’t reliant on a system anymore?

[untold ingot]

If the system is well designed and self consistent then sure it's fine

[rare heart]

Lore wise

[south lance]

that barely exists

[rare heart]

ye

[south lance]

youre asking for magic, developed by a single author, to have the rigor and self consistency of a stem field

this is way too much detail to ask for

[untold ingot]

To have the same level of thought and attention to detail, yeah

[south lance]

you can at best ask a dude to make a religion

even thats hard, but its possible

[lavish rain]

I still want my tek gun

[untold ingot]

I have no real issue with people putting magic in things, but there has to be depth of thought in it. I don't like trivial concepts when trying to read a book or anything lol

[south lance]

im not 100% sure on the whole mechanics around Nen

youre talking about the system from hxh?

@vital jetty

[rare heart]

If it works with the game its fine

[south lance]

i think the hxh author is just exceedingly skilled at making lore imo

[rare heart]

just saying dragons only fit because the machine can make whatever it wants

How some things have powers is pure magic and it’s understandanding is beyond our current knowledge irl

Just video game shit

[untold ingot]

If ark were to fall back on magic I would take that as a sign that they lost their ingenuity and creativity

[south lance]

it can maybe be done sure, but the bar is way too high

i dont think ark should be all magic

i just like some lore systems and tropes that exist through magic and magic adjacent systems

[rare heart]

They really cant fall back on it now because now were on an alien planet

No doubt those creatures will harness the power of some element too

[south lance]

summoning demons can be a thing in sci fi too

but its more of a "magic" thing

and we alr know the arks can basically conjour up anything they want to provided it has existed in human consciousness

[lavish rain]

How tf xan u summon Sci fi deamons

[south lance]

or maybe just anything at all, human known or not

[rare heart]

anything labeled fiction has the most insane flexibility so like… if it works it works

[south lance]

AI, waking up powerful aliens, etc

[untold ingot]

The issue is that it usually doesn't work lol

[lavish rain]

This is getting weird

[south lance]

a demon is just a name to an evil monster usually from hell or who works for the antagonist to god

but add in some abstraction copium and anything i listed is basically a demon

[rare heart]

I mean if it has “fiction” its really up to the creative quality of the author

Science fiction is less strict but like ppl said still bendable heavily

[lime forge]

Probably some sort of magic ritual involving element

[south lance]

of human arrogance, the old gods, an alien race that came before us, whatever you want

[untold ingot]

The ones who bend it to far kind of fail usually lol

[rare heart]

Mmm… like?

i only think of popular stuff so idk

[lime forge]

You gotta sacrifice 15 dodos on an altar made of pure element to summon the sci-fi demon dodo

[lavish rain]

You are deranged

[untold ingot]

That sounds like primal fear. And I didn't like that mod lol

[lime forge]

You guys are gonna love magic in Ark I promise

[rare heart]

Meh

[lavish rain]

Give my angels all control

[rare heart]

ark magic only good for creatures i feel like

[south lance]

how did primal fear work out

[lime forge]

Pretty sure it’s a very popular mod

[lavish rain]

It looks fun

[lime forge]

People love that shit

[south lance]

whats pros cons

[lime forge]

Idk I haven’t played it

[untold ingot]

People who like it are the people who got bored of normal ark and are too stubborn to play anything else lol

[lime forge]

Oh is that why

They’re gonna make Rockwell a class

[astral token]

I’d rather prefer having magicsl creatures (drakes, wyverns, reapers)

[lime forge]

There’s gonna be an entire skill tree dedicated to element corruption

[untold ingot]

I don't consider those magical lol

[lavish rain]

Now you have peaked my attention

[rare heart]

Only mods i ever thought shouldve been in the real game/were entertaining was ark additions and ultrastacks

[untold ingot]

Fantasy sure, but fantasy != magical lol

[untold ingot]

Ultrastacks makes the game too easy, and ark additions has broken dinos

[lavish rain]

Imma run a corruption build

[lime forge]

Just imagine running into something you’re not prepared for and casting a spell on your raptor to make it run faster

[rare heart]

Still, i wouldnt be surprised if they were gutted if they were in the real game

[astral token]

Average mindless guys love AA

[lime forge]

Then lobbing fireballs over your shoulder at your pursuers while you ride your raptor through the jungle with your long Fabio hair blowing in the wind.

[untold ingot]

See, this type of thing can be done without magic

[rare heart]

Theyre fucking sick and it looks miles better then base game dinosaurs headass

[untold ingot]

Ark already has fireballs you can throw, they just need to be made better

[lime forge]

It’s Elemagic

[rare heart]

Most of the dinosaurs in the base game are leagues under the new stuff and the new stuff is mostly comprised of non dinosaurs

ark additions reinstalls the flare of the actual dinosaurs being interesting

And those dinosaurs make a good picture of what the second game could approve upon

While yes op, just designed exceptionally well

[lime forge]

Shadowmane is probably the best thing wildcard has ever designed

[rare heart]

yes

[astral token]

Yes yes ofcourse no one else has ever replicated or surpassed such quality

[lime forge]

But it is BUSTED

[rare heart]

Yes in a mod sense, ark additions has the most quality

[astral token]

Of course

[rare heart]

Though only good for pve

[astral token]

May I present Paleo ARK/No Untameables/Dino Hoarders’ TLC

All of them are “creature” mods

[lime forge]

No untamables is cool af

[astral token]

Just waiting for the, “you said garuga sucks”

Garuga is great 💯

But not the best of all time

[astral token]

[rare heart]

These are just qol things tho

at least from what i understand

[astral token]

Then try to understand a bit better 👍🏽

[rare heart]

I dont have to?

[astral token]

Then don’t say things you don’t understand?

[rare heart]

My opinion is that ark additions is the best creature mod?

[lime forge]

Isn’t Garuga a Naruto character

[rare heart]

And i dont see those as relative equals because those are more or less improves upon old creatures

[astral token]

Monster Hunter

[rare heart]

While still good in its own respects, i just dont see them as something i need when doing a pve game

[astral token]

Making new models involves work, the same work Garuga does

[rare heart]

Arent they just resculpts?

[astral token]

No 🤣

[rare heart]

idk i havent used them in a long time

[astral token]

If onyl 3d modelling were so easy

[astral token]

Then pls do

[rare heart]

Maybe

just never saw it as something i need when playing pve

[astral token]

… dies …

[winged dome]

I thought you were PvP?
'Basically an alpha'?

[rare heart]

Not anymore no

[astral token]

You don’t have 4 arms and 2 brains to play 2 ARK instances simultaneously

Peasant.

[rare heart]

I grew up and now i come back and just do pve because pvp wasted my highschool life basically

[astral token]

Thought so

[rare heart]

im in college shut the hell up

Random ark discord chatter!!

[winged dome]

You're welcome to leave

[astral token]

Yeah I’ll leave sorry 😞

[rare heart]

Boohoo

[astral token]

😭

[astral token]

Don’t cry at my departure I’ll always return, thanks for being so fond of me 🥲

[rare heart]

Tbf i am mentally incapable of seeing discord users as other ppl sometimes

The only other tlc mod creature i liked was carno dino hoarders but that mod was fairly buggy

[astral token]

Oh you need therapy too! Sooo relatable! I still need to get my IQ down to normal levels 😢

[rare heart]

yeah man i dont think it was ever high tbf

Such a clever joke man

[astral token]

Sorry I made a typo I meant up*

[rare heart]

Oh my bad!!!! Hahah! :D!

:D!!!!

[astral token]

Thanks nobody ever laughs at my jokes 🥲

[rare heart]

Yw

[lime forge]

I’m gonna ping a mod and she’s gonna ban you guys for getting off topic

[rare heart]

Ark 2, anyways, they should switch thyla to sabers niche

[rare heart]

Ok…

[astral token]

You do realise that by calling my statement a joke I essentially uno reversed you

[rare heart]

Yeah whatever man if you have to compensate for things in discord you do you

[astral token]

That’s what they all say 😉

[rare heart]

I moved on main character, time to skip dialogue

thylacoleo should be the new saber in ark 2 i think

[astral token]

No

The Thylacoleo is the largest marsupial

[lime forge]

Would it still climb?

[rare heart]

yes

[astral token]

Thylacosmilus/smaller marsupial

Should rather fit that niche if at all

And the Thylacoleo should be removed

[lime forge]

Oh yeah. Scrap the saber then idc

[astral token]

Saber should definitely be upscaled to a Smilodon

[lime forge]

I hope nothing gets removed and every known tame makes it into Ark 2

[rare heart]

Does the same thing relatively

And instead of thyla being such an insane brawler its switched to an assasin

With smilodon becoming the brawler/bleeder minus the climbing

[split dove]

first trailer had the aratai chieftain with what looked like a saber skull as his mask, so very likely it's returning.

[astral token]

That’s a housecst at that size

No more a saber

[rare heart]

i think anything with a skull Comes back

[astral token]

Humans confirmed

[rare heart]

idk why it wouldnt feels weird

Dilo too

you know what i mean i dont have to explain that

[lavish rain]

Reapers confirmed

[rare heart]

Erm no

[lime forge]

Oh reapers are coming back for sure

[rare heart]

Get yo stinky xenomorph clone outta here

[rare heart]

They all blew up on the other ship

: )

[lime forge]

Nah man. My reapers were on that ship. They will have survived for sure.

[lavish rain]

Bring back rockdrakes

[lime forge]

I’m honestly gonna be bummed out of drakes don’t make the cut

[rare heart]

The reapers shoudlve just been like a variant of nameless

Wouldve made them feel more like the villains if that map

[lime forge]

Why?

[lavish rain]

They were already the main villain (creature wise) of the map

[rare heart]

They wouldve felt more like minions that fit better instead of

Hairless rats and just a xenomorph that really look like they have no correlation to eachother

[lavish rain]

I hope snow owls return

[lime forge]

Reapers aren’t minions

[astral token]

Dollie said Reapers will be sneaked in

[rare heart]

Id imagine they wouldnt be Snow owls anymore but yeah i could see it

[astral token]

To what, is unconfirmed

[rare heart]

dlc probably

[lime forge]

They’re mankind’s punishment for that time the survivors decided to fuck around and find out what happens when they nuke an overseer

R-Snowowls we’re never snow owls

[rare heart]

ah! A piece of the rockwell ship landed on arat! Whatever will i do!

[rare heart]

Still a snow owl. Snow owls irl can be found in more than the snow but they are still snow owls

id expect it to come back as just the snow owl

Or just like… a more tropical version

[lime forge]

Well then why tf wouldn’t they be snow owls any more on Arat?

[rare heart]

Havent seen snow yet so who knows

[lime forge]

Did you see snow on Gen 2?

[rare heart]

Trve

honestly

Depends on what dlcs they do.

If theres like a snow dlc then id assume thered be owls

Since its not a base game creature to me its expectations of being in the regular game are lower

I feel like theyd go for redoing more of their island creatures

[lime forge]

I can’t imagine that happening.

They’re to deep in the franchise to do something so basic

[lavish rain]

Drakes are iconic in ark, they could do them

[untold ingot]

Bugs are iconic in ark, and I hope they don't intentionally to those lol

[lavish rain]

I don't remember bugs being iconic

[winged dome]

Getting chewed on by a Titanomyrna as a Bob is a rite of passage

[untold ingot]

The game is buggy lol

[past wind]

Why would you expect there won’t be snow on Arat? Saying you didn’t see it already makes no sense because they didn’t release any screenshots or videos from gameplay.

We didn’t see anything. Snow, rain, dinos, the map etc. But still expect to see all of those.

[lavish rain]

If they don't release anything this week, that's dangerous

[split dove]

i think there might be a model for the planet in the devkit, Bootleg mentioned it once i think

[past wind]

My prediction for this week: community’s corner and some community draws.

[lavish rain]

I will smite if they don't roadmap

@lime forge will suffer the consequences of his deceitful actions

[past wind]

They might, I would be happy, but I have zero expectations TBF

[past wind]

I never have used the dev kit, but I’ve read people saying that in here.

[split dove]

we didn't expect the weapon moding system to be shown last week as well

[lavish rain]

That didn't really reveal anythingTBH

[past wind]

This people also said the planet is like a huge set of island

[split dove]

even without the devkit we can see the planet in the Ark 2 cutscene from gen 2

[past wind]

Yeah yeah, that I’ve seen. But not much info from this curscene. 🤣

[split dove]

we can look if there's snowy mountains 🤣

[past wind]

It did to me actually. Any new info is welcome.

[past wind]

Man, you have a good vision.

[past wind]

But seriously, makes no sense not to have things we are already used. Ocean, snow, caves etc will be there I think.

Some might not be finished day one, but eventually they will be there

[tropic crag]

Source??? Very intrigued by the prospect

[untold ingot]

Dollie didn't say reapers will be snuck in, she said she likes them and that they might find a way in

[winged dome]

Sounds like DLC or later in development addition

[worldly current]

We really need boosted Terrorbirds to ARK2.

With old kibble system I did breed quality ones few times in official servers and oh boy those bird were AWESOME.

Now days getting those lines takes way too much work and I could use my time way better by breeding more useful lines with same amount time.

My conclusion. If their base weight could be higher they wouldn't have to be breed so much before practical use and so they could really be viable option at early game.🧐

[rare heart]

It literally could be a tropical environment only game

No idea of knowing

until they publish something

Why is it not safe to have a vague specualtion

They could do anything

There might not even be snow on the base map and it might even be a dlc snow map

fuck they could do an ocean dlc

Terror birds in ark one are lame as hell

Im hoping they are based in the plains and not the redwoods in the second game

[tropic crag]

Man reacted to his own post 🤮

[untold ingot]

Ooor, just nerf everything to terror bird status lol

[tropic crag]

I hate terror birds

Loud, annoying, too fast, and useless when tamed

[untold totem]

More terror birds!

[rare heart]

Yes

[winged dome]

They are annoying loud

[tropic crag]

Wait, no, I'm switching my opinion to cause controversy

[split dove]

fits perfectly in this chat then

[winged dome]

Nah, that'd be 'annoying'

[tropic crag]

I LOVE terror birds! They're so cool! I love they sound they make as they pin me into a rock as soon as I spawn in any zone they are in!

[rare heart]

They look like genitals too

They do that is how ugly terror birds look

[tropic crag]

They look fine, that's the only thing they have going for them

[split dove]

idk what kind of genitalia you've seen, but if you saw one that looks like a terror bird you need help

[rare heart]

[tropic crag]

Everything else about them sucks is really cool and I like it

[rare heart]

The non feathered parts have just icky texture that is mostly my reasoning

Which… being ugly can be a good design but like for a giant apex bird that hunts very elegantly it feels weird

well… irl its like that

horrible in the game in every regard

But i agree

I think upscaling terror bird stats would make it better if it had the something else plus flappy bird

[tropic crag]

If they do put them in Ark 2, I very much want them to look like scaled up shoebills for sure

[rare heart]

Yiss

I think the mangy “gross”bird fits something like argy better anyways

And honestly i want an eagle for the base game to replace argy in functinality or i guess… griffin?

Argy should be just the bruiser bird you can use as a smithy and have something like an eagle (owl) be used as an assasin or ganker/be able to pick up things

Giant eagle/falcon would be cool if it could knock out flying stuff with a punch too

[winged dome]

Falcon Punch?

[tropic forge]

🍿

[worldly current]

@drowsy ibex Can we have weight boosted terrorbird?

[rare heart]

Where do you think falcon punch comes from 💀

Better in concept then a fuckin pterandon barrel roll (worst shit ever)

I cant tell if you think thats a bad idea or your thinking falcon punch makes no sense because falcon punch is really only known for captain falcon and not the actual bird

cause i think if it only could be used on flyers i think it wouldnt be op

And if it was hard to aim

[rancid ingot]

If there is someone working on ark 2 I have an idea on carnotaurus:
They can have highly complex camouflage abilities and they would follow you around for about 2 minutes before attacking. You would be able to find them by hearing there breathing or a dim outline. The only way to scare them off is by moving a light source at them and they will try to blend with the light or run away. (Based off of Michael chricton's jurassic park sequal)

[ruby spoke]

Ah yeah, if they're goin to rework their design and bring em over to Ark 2, they might as well add a new ability. Part of their evolution in harsher conditions?

[winged dome]

Its already confirmed to be getting some kind of charge attack. Makes a lot more sense than camouflage

[split dove]

i'd rather let the carno have a impaling charge attack instead of some complex camo. a mix of the kentro impale and rhino charge for the carno could be cool.

[thick tulip]

based on musculature, its predicted that terror birds (kelenken) killed by either kicking slashes (like the secretary bird irl) to face, or clamping that mean ass beak on something's neck and bashing the skull into the ground (like roadrunners irl)...not that i'm a masochist or anything but that animation would be incredible lol

[blissful perch]

Based chatter moment

I think the legs on the Terror birds need to be longer and more ostrich like

Also yes the weight is horrible…that whole class of small early game tames is hamstrung by weight so low it cripples its own utility

[thick tulip]

with the player combat system getting an overhaul, it would be awesome if some of the dinos also had souls-like moves to use while riding. kicking combos and biting grapples from a mounted terror bird (or any other dino for that matter) would completely change gameplay 🤞 wishful thinking...

[blissful perch]

I want this too…almost more than player should like combat

[tropic crag]

That's the dilemma, will they or won't they go the extra mile and implement unique, never-before-seen dino-based skill-based combat... I think they will, but who really knows?

[split dove]

All we kinda know for Dino combat atm is that models won't really clip inside each other when fighting, and that the impact from dmg will be more visceral and detailed for where it's hit I think.

[rare heart]

I hope bite attacks arent fucking static

Like when you bite something you hold onto it

Hopefully the biting attacks dont just phase through everything

[thick tulip]

would easily fit into the lore. with the wreckage of the Genesis Eden ship malfunctioning, altered dinos would have exposure to the alien proteins and enzymes that could change them in any number of ways. who knows, maybe the Aratai have their methods of training their native creatures to fight...

[blissful perch]

There’s no lore needed

It’s a basic change in complexity between the arcade ark 1 style and the more gritty and realistic ark 2 style

Also…not all bites are grapples. Key distinction

[rare heart]

Hoepefully somewhere down the line they pull a shadow of war

And you could recruit aratai, cause dinosaurs cant hold bows/guns

[thick tulip]

lol this is Ark, lore is needed everywhere

[blissful perch]

I hope not. Politely I’m heavily disinterested in human ai companions

[rare heart]

It still holds on no matter how long, otherwise its not even an attack

[blissful perch]

Lore is always added after gameplay

[rare heart]

Gigantopithicus need to be able to hold weapons fr

Be able to suit it up in armor and give it certain weapons but it makes it unridable

[blissful perch]

…what?

It’s game logic. “Sticky” bites will feel extremely annoying since it’ll look like bad collision

You really would want bites to either be a steady hitbox with a possible stagger attached or be a full grapple similar to a megalo…or a form where the bite attaches the two creatures and they are both movement locked

[thick tulip]

considering other UE5 games with mounted combat, as long as there are visual cues on how to grapple/release, it could definitely work

[tropic crag]

I want the option to hold on, maybe hold the button down? Then, swing the mouse/stick/whatever you use to look to try and tear flesh off

Can't remember the game I have in mind, but it's like that 😂

[thick tulip]

sounds like a great way to make sarcos viable with a damage multiplier

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, I wanna see the death roll lol

[blissful perch]

Seeing some grapple based tames would be great - stats alone aren’t enough to make things stand out

Unique attack styles and ways of play are imo what helps make something special

[thick tulip]

agreed

[untold totem]

you know would be great....

allow to enter server IP in game instead through steam

[astral token]

What Raq said

[lime forge]

I think you and the word deceitful need to get to know one another a bit better.

[mellow wadi]

fr

[drowsy jackal]

I was hoping so hard for a leak in the announce

[lime forge]

Would it still be a leak?

[dusk tapir]

How would taming work with the dark souls combat?

[lime forge]

How would dark souls combat affect taming at all?

[tropic crag]

Yeah...

[rare heart]

It wouldnt really

It’s probably more complex

I feel like if they wanted to make it better most animals would be tamed by bonding in some form rather than beating the shit out of everything

[lime forge]

Idk. Stockholm syndrome is very real.

[elfin pumice]

yes please

[verbal wind]

the immersive taming mod could be something of a template

having to tame by making the right bait, you can pet amd hand feed them, some you have to beat the shit out of then they let you feed

[blissful perch]

I’d love it more if you didn’t need extensive prep

It would be amazing if taming could be opportunistic and less about hauling a bunch of taming materials around searching for a creature

[elfin pumice]

How would make it like that

[blissful perch]

Make it action instead of material based?

Or make the material requirement only be local materials that can be harvested or crafted on site

I never enjoyed hauling around narcotics and tranqs on the off chance I found something good…but it’s so much better than seeing what you want and being completely unable to try to tame it because you didn’t load your inventory with “could be” taming materials

[elfin pumice]

could work

i hope that regular traps wont be useful anymore because of the improved ai

[dry flame]

Please please please please please please PLEASE make the sloped roof pieces in Ark II capable of snapping to a wall on all sides.

[placid wave]

Asking too much Steve

[elfin pumice]

and make vertically flipped slopes

[winged dome]

I'd be pretty happy with S+ building structure/snap point integration, and if building pieces actually placing where the outline shows and not some mystery snap point or demolishing a random wall/ceiling halfway across your base

I probably lost enough walls and pillars due to mystery snaps and random demos to build my own Wall of China

[left carbon]

Just want a roadmap or gameplay footage. As a peasant pve player on Ark 1 the game is dead with average of three people online.

[winged dome]

Soon™️

[split dove]

we're getting a development roadmap this month

[left carbon]

Hopefully kinda sad watching all my favorite streamers delude to videos based off a photo and lack of content

Just want to punch some trees with my tribe and explore new lands. 🙂

[lucid parcel]

how do i become a tester for ark 2

[winged dome]

Wait for release 😂

[lucid parcel]

lol

[vapid panther]

Immersive taming can happen without any materials. Save some dinos from being eaten and it starts the process. You can literally pet them and get 100% TE. Pretty sure they implied that kind of thing will happen in Ark 2. As well as finding babies/ eggs during world events

[left carbon]

In the trailer they seemed to be carrying and protecting an egg wrapped up.

so seems probable

[winged dome]

Even then, most of the materials for basic IT baits can be crafted on the go. Only the kibbles or Trophy baits for 'Challenge' tames need a bit more pre-work

[vapid panther]

I just dont want a super taming pill that tames everything and takes weeks to spoil. Each dino has a unique way to be tamed.

[winged dome]

Agreed, kibbles imo need to go. All of the dogs I've owned 1000% prefer steak to dry kibble 😂

[vapid panther]

Im ok with kibble as backup source.. just dont allow 100% TE and maybe take longer. My dogs always wanted what i was eating... even broccoli! So maybe they need to see you make a meal 🙂

[winged dome]

Cauliflower lowkey my pup's favorite 😂

[left carbon]

Wonder if we'll be able to privately share build templates or if it will be public. Can see trading base designs

[rare heart]

Taming things with basically animal cereal

Better used for feeding troughs if it were to stay

[winged dome]

Animal cereal 😂
But kibble as long lasting fodder food post tame is a pretty good idea

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with kibbles for a wide variety of things…just not taming

Highly crafted foods in general should be used for buffing or used for specific QoL purposes within your base/tames…so we can avoid another ark 1 situation of just hauling taming stuff everywhere on the off chance you find what you want

[lone pilot]

how heavy your taming stuff that it bother you so bad?

[blissful perch]

Less to do with weight and more with the “I’m leaving my base” checklist

[worldly garden]

👀

[vapid panther]

But again, Im hoping they get away from huge variations in tame stats. Make it more important to have the right tame for the right job... and know how to use them.

[lone pilot]

well if its nothing to do with weight.

why not carry taming stuff on you all the time...

200 arrows
200 narcotics
cross bow and replacement one.

all are like 100-150 weight max

[blissful perch]

For small tames in the early game that’s prohibitive, but for other tames it’s just annoying clutter

There’s no reason it has to be that way

[blissful perch]

Ideally the variation within a species is minimal and variation between species is large. Agree

[vapid panther]

Which brings in breeding. Im curious how they are gonna keep the number of tames on the server down. And if dino armies are gonna be needed.

[blissful perch]

PvP will always want expendable tames is my guess

But hopefully the removal of mutation stacking (I’m praying) will remove the need for massive operations. Since that tends to be why so many tames are out

[vapid panther]

True. Im a solo PVE guy and dont need a lot of tames. but the lag around the bases with huge amounts of tames out is discouraging. It would be nice if they had a barn or some kind of instance that pushed taming off the main server. Allow PVP to destroy the barn and all babies but no need to tie up the server with tames that arent being used.

not taming but breeding

[blissful perch]

Breeding imo needs to be massively downscaled in importance

[vapid panther]

I feel breeding was a key factor in early games. You needed a decent army to survive and challenge bosses. And then it became fun as you tried for unique color patterns. It can be toned down a bit but I like that part of the game for longevity.

[split dove]

i'm getting flashbacks to breeding for bosses on island before we had mutators

[vapid panther]

ahh, the good ole days when you couldnt sleep for days as you tried to get max imprinting on a rex.

[thick tulip]

yeah i stopped playing pvp when i discovered its just a matter of who can grind more and faster XD

[blissful perch]

Ark PvP not fun for me because you can’t just get into the action

[vapid panther]

running is an action. so is dying! 🙂

[blissful perch]

You died? Grind more. You’re fighting someone who did more grinding? Oops you’re out statted and out kitted

If you consider “the action” of PvP to be any verb yes 😂

Which given what I’ve seen, you may have to define it that way 😂😂

[vapid panther]

I agree that the biggest problem with PVP is you couldnt get anywhere with just an hour of play per week. But i hear rumor that PVP and PVE will be on the same map for Ark 2.

[blissful perch]

The rumor has no merit so dw about that

Dollie seemed to confirm it’ll be like ark 1 with PvP and PvE being available as separate modes

[vapid panther]

Sure hope they are pushing to get this out in Jun or July. Doesnt seem to be much else big coming out then.

[thick tulip]

any more buzz about the re-release of OG Ark in UE5?

i kinda assumed that would come out before Ark2

[split dove]

No, we will know more about all upcoming projects with the roadmap when it comes out this month.

[split dove]

they have put gameplay out 1 or 2 months before, with Atlas i think it was 1 month before launch. So purely speculating here if the roadmap were to have a date for gameplay in like April or May and release around late Q2 or early Q3 it could happen, but the whole ''Ark 2 must come out in June'' thing started bc the Xbox banner from the showcase last june with ''all games listed coming in the next 12 months including Ark 2'' could have been Wildcard giving Xbox a timeframe when they thought it would be out. But that could've changed after the showcase and in the last few months.

[vapid panther]

I agree. But MS is not known for letting a ROI sit idle, they will be pushing to get revenue off the game. Hopefully the Dev team stays true to making what they want, but money talks. Loud. I want to believe the game is 99% done and they are just cleaning up quirks. And waiting for the right release window which MS will have a bit of say in.

And quit reminding me that they did Atlas too... so much potential in that game that slipped away.

[tropic crag]

The game is DEFINITELY not anywhere near 99% done, seeing as how it's coming out in early access lmao

Also, they didn't make Atlas

[split dove]

they only helped by sending some devs over to help, just like how Grove Street games is helping with Ark 2

[thick tulip]

yup, the door swings both ways lol almost not even worth a mention since Altas flopped

[vapid panther]

Im confident the game is playable now. Early access from the bigger developers doesn't mean they are still developing the game. It's generally to load test servers and fine tune game balance with people that haven't been completely engrossed in the game for years.

[thick tulip]

dont get me wrong, its a decent game. in fact, the mods that ported in Atlas elements look phenomenal. maybe dont move the best in Ark environments, but they work just fine in their own. when comparing the 2 side by side though, can def tell which had more player base

[vapid panther]

There's cool parts of Atlas. I'd like to see naval/ air combat take a bigger role in Ark 2.

[thick tulip]

for sure

[blissful perch]

It does. Which is why the call to not release too soon and risk an ark 2 flop was made

A quick release that results in a bad product that fails is the last thing anyone wants. It seems to me like gameplay has heavily under development and has been heavily subject to swings in basic core features

Can’t share news if the material is either changed immediately or not there

[astral token]

I do love griefing my enemies out of shooting distance 🥲

[tropic forge]

🍿

[astral token]

Ships & boats be like:

[solar turtle]

big ship of the lines would be great

totally, 100 gun sailing ships in ARK 2 is very realistic

[thick tulip]

i'm sure itll work as well as the tek atv lol

[solar turtle]

I hope ARK 2 takes naval aspects from P+

[winged dome]

There could be primitive options for underwater bases

Air-lines, simple pumps to drain water, waxed seals to keep out water

[thick tulip]

lol yes, i want a thatch-tier underwater base

[winged dome]

It would be pretty funny to see, if impractical

[thick tulip]

handy for pvp tho

quick places to hide?

[winged dome]

Zero protection if found, so its that actually helpful?

[thick tulip]

could ask the same questions of every piece of thatch structure

honestly, youre right: would be impractical. i play unofficial rates on my server so i typically skip thatch tier anyway

[potent hull]

i love ark and anime

[vapid panther]

Its simple to have underwater bases... plants create oxygen and light already so why is that not allowed? Use any material to create moonpool bases. A bull whale ramming a boat has been around on earth for centuries. Dolphins are known to flip debris at boats.. just make em bigger so its now a coral ball. Comparing ark2 to ark1 is a huge injustice to the developers.

[winged dome]

Remind yourself we're exploring a completely foreign world with unknown creatures and materials - its completely reasonable to believe there could be an excellent waterproofing agent to be found that could allow underwater living

[rare heart]

thats why i kinda think theyll be regional dlcs

I think an ocean map if the game functions like its steam page says, it’d be a whole different gane

[thick tulip]

i would love if the DLCs are presented as legit space travel to other worlds

[rare heart]

Ocean living if the game is more “primitive” itll probably be like avatar

[untold ingot]

If underwater bases are not a thing I am going to be disappointed

[rare heart]

I think they would but not initially

[untold ingot]

They shouldn't be Bob friendly, but they should be viable

[rare heart]

depends in how far along the base game actually is

[untold ingot]

I don't underestimate wc lol

[winged dome]

The survivors on the Arks are also the survivors on Ariat. The knowledge is there, just takes some engineering

[rare heart]

my default is underestimating

But wildcard has like the actual resources to make like a perfect game unlike ark 1’s launch

[past wind]

It won't be perfect, forget about it

It will be released as an Early-access game

It won't be finished nor polished

[rare heart]

Those can still be fun no?

[thick tulip]

as my dad often reminded me, potential doesnt mean shit if you dont get off your ass...

it CAN be a perfect game. doesnt mean it will

[past wind]

I didn't say it won't be fun... You've said it can be perfect, I'm saying it won't

[past wind]

The issue here is, what's perfect?

If you mean no issues at all, then it won't be perfect 100% for certain

[untold ingot]

Burst of reality, it won't be perfect. They already said it won't be for everyone, so they basically already expect a bunch of people to be mad and disappointed lol

[past wind]

There's that too. If perfection means 100% of players will love it, It won't be perfect.

[astral token]

Nothing is perfect

[rare heart]

If the game has overwhelmingly fun aspects that outweigh its flaws is what makes it good, i guess perfect is loose

Ark 1 is mixed in that regard

[astral token]

The term “perfect” is thrown around loosely nowadays

It used to mean the epitome of something, a synonym for best

[past wind]

It's debatable if this would fit the definition of perfect

[astral token]

The most chad thing a human can do in that field

[rare heart]

loose

[past wind]

very loose

I would call it a good game, not perfect

[rare heart]

Has yet to come out so i cant call it good or bad

[lime forge]

Great game*

[rare heart]

Wc just has a 20 x better starting point for ark 2 compared to 1

[untold ingot]

I don't think perfect in gaming exists lol, I think good, great and bad is all you can achieve lol

[past wind]

I'm just saying, don't expect it to be perfect. If by perfect you meant no bugs/issues. It will have bugs/issues.

[rare heart]

Nah

[past wind]

It doesn't

[lime forge]

The legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time.

Perfection

[untold ingot]

Never played thst game

[rare heart]

if i can maintain fun throughout the games life cycle then itll be good

[past wind]

the only perfect game is the next one

[lime forge]

Proof god loves us

[untold ingot]

So I don't have the nostalgia for it

[past wind]

It's close to it indeed, but it's not perfect LOL

[lime forge]

Flawless.

[astral token]

Pokemon Platinum 👌🏽

[untold ingot]

Give me 20 minutes with it and I bet I could find a flaw lol

[lime forge]

Modern Pokémon makes me hate all Pokémon

[astral token]

Raq is the real life Ian Malcolm

[lime forge]

Nintendo ruined a great thing and I am SALTY

[astral token]

SAME

[untold ingot]

Don't know what that means lol

[rare heart]

Nintendo ruins a lot of things

[astral token]

Jurassic Park

[untold ingot]

Oooohhh

[astral token]

Black suit guy

[untold ingot]

I actually like that lol

[astral token]

XD

[past wind]

I mean, to start Nintendo games have bad graphics. Not the most important thing for a game, sure, but a perfect game should excel on all areas/features

anyways... that's a a neverending discussion LOL

[lime forge]

Bro go play it

[astral token]

Nintendo should’ve stuck with pixel art on Pokemon series

The 3D models have improved

But some of them look so lifeless

Even in Gen 9

[past wind]

I did, like almost 30 years ago LOL

And back then there were better graphics already

[untold ingot]

I thought the whole concept of Pokémon was kind of dumb tbh

[past wind]

look, not saying graphics are important, but perfection is about excel on all matters

[lime forge]

We know Raq, you don’t like art

[untold ingot]

But I didn't grow up with it

[lime forge]

You’re prolly fuckin vegan too

[untold ingot]

Tf

[past wind]

Don't like Jurassic Park and thinks pokemon is dumb... WTH?

[lime forge]

Who would even admit that

[untold ingot]

Hey, I didn't grow up with this stuff, so coming into it later , it really doesn't seem that great

[past wind]

Are you a K-Pop fan?

[untold ingot]

No lol

I'm too grouchy to really be a fan of anything lol

[winged dome]

Pokemon was pretty goundbreaking for being a ton of gamer's first introduction to RPGs, anime, and gotcha style games. Is it amazing? Not really, none of the games really have any serious innovations over the previous games aside from one-off gimmicks

[untold ingot]

Sure I'll take that, I didn't have that though. So it doesn't have a nostalgia factor for me

[past wind]

Also "mobile" (gameboy) and network games (gamelink)

[winged dome]

Fair, nostalgia is a pretty huge factor in enjoying it

[past wind]

It was kinda revolutionary back then

[untold ingot]

I mean, the plow was revolutionary back in its time. That doesn't mean I want to use it lol

[past wind]

Just messing with you. Of course you are entitled to dislike it. LOL

[untold ingot]

I don't really dislike it. I just don't really get impressed by it

[past wind]

Fair enough

[untold ingot]

Tbh though, plows in ark2 could be epic

[past wind]

I've been saying that

Ark needs more tools, not just more creatures

[untold ingot]

Like, there should be no reason we have to use crop plots to plant things we should be able to use the ground lol

[past wind]

sure

valheim does that pretty well

It's not hard it seems

[untold ingot]

I have heard good things about valhiem, and I know the devs talked about it back when the announcement first came out

[past wind]

It's nice, but still in EA, so a lot is missing

[untold ingot]

Is it me or is every game these days in a perpetual ea?

[past wind]

I think there's a reason for that, indie devs can publish their games easily

they don't need publishers anymore

but they don't have the budget to keep developing the games for years, and they are using EA programs

[untold ingot]

I guess that could be

[winged dome]

Qucker and easier return on investment, and players prefer instant gratification and feeling like they're apart of the development process by providing feedback

[winged dome]

Valheim is pretty good imo, unique style and focus on exploration while having clear progression. Plus all worlds are randomly generated so replays are more unique than starting on the Island for the umpteenth time

[tribal chasm]

If they can get procedural generation down for Ark 2, might be the best game ever

[past wind]

They've tried on Ark 1

it didn't work well. It didn't last long

[tribal chasm]

I know I have pic of Jat saying 'how it it guys' I was there >:)

it had a lot of issues but only cause it was underdeveloped / abandoned

[novel musk]

ark 2 ?

[past wind]

I hope they do procedural maps + handmade regions

[novel musk]

I like beavers

bro

[winged dome]

🍻

[novel musk]

sleep eat ark repeat

[past wind]

procedural so it can have more variation and be larger, but handmade where needed

[novel musk]

I regret making a sniper rifle

[tropic forge]

🍿

[vale moth]

Never ever expcect this game to come out Ty

Or maybe the law suits they got on em ?

[past wind]

no

One of the founders worked for another studio and that studio Sued WC because of a non compete agreement

But that's very old news. Happened before Scorched was released (that's one of the reasons it was a paid DLC according to the rumors back then).

Snail games never sued WC, AFAIK

[vale moth]

Yh

[vale moth]

They just did

😂

Snail games law suit yh

They own about 55 percent of ark

Or some hints y they not gettin mad about copy right for ark

[past wind]

For what? Where did you see it?

[vale moth]

Copy right in ark 2

[past wind]

Why sue WC if they own it?

[vale moth]

That’s why the game has been taken of steam as a upcoming

[vale moth]

Idk it’s over some shite tbh

[fallow niche]

It hasn't been taken off of steam..

[vale moth]

It’s really dumb

[past wind]

Nah, that never happened

[vale moth]

Ark 2 u Doyle

[past wind]

You are probably confused

[vale moth]

It was a upcoming game and got taken. Off

[fallow niche]

It hasn't been taken off of steam.

It's in the pins.

[split dove]

funny that you think it's bc of that lmao, it's changed to ''coming soon'' on steam bc they didn't give them an exact release date, it happend with other games and there is no lawsuit you idiot

[past wind]

It happened to all games with that tag...

they just changed the info to coming soon, to all games

there's no lawsuit AFAIK

[worldly garden]

lawsuit lmao, somone's got the tinfoil out.

[split dove]

least crazy ark players be like:

[vapid panther]

Maybe compromise and have a main map that is fixed but you delve in to instances for procedurally drawn maps.. perfect for caves and artifacts if we have them. Maybe even boss type arenas. Never know where to go until you actually go.

[past wind]

It's actually the other way around. WC sued them. 😂

[past wind]

Yeah, there's other game that did this, it had a nice result (won't name it because it can't be named here 😂 ).

Just agreeing with you

[vale moth]

Maybe bro idk I saw sonthing about ark 2

[past wind]

Not on my name, it's a role

[fallow niche]

Not related to ark 2 lol

[vale moth]

Anyway still never expect game to be out

[past wind]

ok, you can move on

[fallow niche]

I mean you can have your own opinions about the release

Officially it's just 2023

#role-assignment

If for some reason it isn't out this year, I'm hopeful for next year

I'd feel better about it if they needed more time

Nonono

[south lance]

sounds like a plan

[fallow niche]

No violence to yourself

Or others

[past wind]

I don't know, being an EA means they can release it this year. They have the flexibility to say "it's EA". Unless it's really bad currently, which I don't believe.

[fallow niche]

Even then that's not horrible.

[fallow niche]

Well I know that. If they need to change it to have more time though, I would understand.

People are going to love or hate them no matter what they do, I'm just kind of at the point of "okay cool, just get it when you can" lol

[past wind]

But I don't believe June is the end of their release window (I believed on that before). Starfield was part of that game pass banner and it's release date was announced this week: september 2023.

[fallow niche]

A whole pc for only ark 2? Not at all. Play other games for now.

That was kind of an unnecessary comment

Roadmaps usually include time frames so I'm hopeful

[past wind]

The statement was "realeasing within the next 12 months", which would end on july. But Starfield is already confirmed to be released on september, which means Ark can also be released later.

Well, at least we might have a better idea this month. I believe no later than june (Xbox Showcase) we might have an update about the release date itself (real date? Postponement?).

[fallow niche]

2023, and they do answer, but most info is in the pinned messages.

[past wind]

june 12, I think. But they used the word "months" so it's more flexible I guess.

The roadmap covers all Ark frachise.

Wait for it

yeah, so i gave them june 30 as the end of their window LOL

july I would come here and complain

I'm just saying we don't have new info. Probably will come with the roadmap this month. I'm expecting info for the streaming service and release date.

I'm volunteering myself as farm slave

[blissful perch]

I’d bet they do have NDA compliant folks testing in their QA/QC process. But I doubt it’ll be anyone here chatting, and I highly doubt if a chatter got it they’d say anything here

[fallow niche]

They'd be in some massive trouble le if they leaked info under an nda

[blissful perch]

Not even directly violating but just the nature of what we talk about here probably hits at grey areas

[fallow niche]

Oh it definitely would lol

[blissful perch]

I’m guessing some of us stumbled on stuff WC is actually working on or considering…which is fine because we’re blind. But if any of us are under NDA that’s trouble lol

[past wind]

Im joking, berserkers seem to be joking too. 🤣

[past wind]

Nowadays it’s pretty common to open alpha insider programs. Microsoft does that a lot. I’ve participated on some. They have ways to get the leakers

But for Ark might not be so interesting to open up the game for that

Different workflow maybe

[blissful perch]

Also different risk perhaps

[potent hull]

we all no ark 2 will be better way it will have shifter and flobs and charlie alpha andgp and boot leg o and me in ark 2 sow ark 2 will be better then ark 1

[blissful perch]

It’s bad for PvE in ark 1 too lol…it’s just harder to make other people miserable with PvE bugs 😂

[split dove]

it makes the voices in my head that originated from breeding more miserable

we're getting of topic, ''clears throat'' 'wHeN iS ThE RoAdMaP BeInG sHaReD aNd wHeN WiLl Ark 2 ReLeAsE? 🐔

[winged dome]

🍻

[unique thorn]

How's pvp gonna work like 50 vin dasels running around

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2

[split dove]

we're not gonna be vin diesel, at most he's a npc for the story

[unique thorn]

Oh thought he was the player

[split dove]

no, he's just Santiago

[stray elm]

He's an NPC

[unique thorn]

The trailer seemed to make it look like he was the main character

[stray elm]

An NPC can be a main-character

[unique thorn]

Npc mean non player character

[stray elm]

Non 'player' character
A character that is not controlled by a player. Doesn't mean they can't have a role in the story

[unique thorn]

Oh I see what your saying I read it wrong

[stray elm]

You're thinking of 'protagonist'
Main-characters are just characters that have a large role within the story.
A protagonist is who the story follows around

[worldly flower]

Edit: wrong channel 😛

[tropic forge]

hey guys when ark 2 coming out and is this "roadmap" thingy gonna be delay?

[lime flicker]

Isn’t the roadmap this month?

[stray elm]

Yes

[unique thorn]

I'm so excited

[past wind]

water

[vapid panther]

I heard that WC is mailing everyone that is registered a thumbdrive that has the road map on it. Supposed to be huge!

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

I agree completely

[past wind]

The biggest issue with pvp is one: people. It’s easier to balance AI because it’s more predictable, it follows the rules.

Also, on pve, even when people use the exploits, they don’t really harm the other players (they do, but there aren’t a lot of situations the game allows to).

On pvp all exploits are used to take advantage over the other players.

That said, I’m pretty sure they already have pvp testers. I knew some Ark 1 testers and they were all from pvp.

[tropic forge]

and thats why the reason to so many exploits pass and when official 🤣

[opaque quest]

Will ark 2 be released this year?👀

[bold juniper]

I hate when games have pros play games and balance pvp, that is the elite side of the spectrum and they basicaly play a different game at such a skill level, but how does one reqruite an army of normal players and maintain confidentiality?

[thick tulip]

thats the purpose of testers though: to find hacky exploits so the devs can remove the "no-win" scenario

if the hack becomes the game, then the testers have failed

[winged dome]

🍻

[autumn vortex]

So has there been any news on ark 2? Haven't heard anything other than it'll prolly be 2023 and itll release on playstation last

[winged dome]

🍻

[untold ingot]

Just to be clear, a hack is an external piece of software, and exploit is an internal issue. Testers can't prevent hacks lol

[thick tulip]

not 'hack' as in 'computer-hack', i meant hacky as in cheeky or cheap lol

[untold ingot]

That is an exploit, not a hack lol

[thick tulip]

ok?

[lavish rain]

Well boys

Today is a day of truth

[astral token]

OwO?

[untold totem]

i am depressed

[rocky nebula]

Sounds fun

[lavish rain]

Community crunch drops hopefully it has roadmap

[lavish rain]

Stop being depressed

[jolly wave]

can't wait for ark 2 to completely remove all the core things we love about ark 1 and turn it into a story mode game with 3-4 player co op 🙂

[lime forge]

Same. So happy they’re adding more to the story side of the game. The bits and pieces in the notes were never enough. Plus with them getting rid of busted ass tek and revamping combat. Wish they would hurry up and give us access though.

[split dove]

you might want to stop watching youtube videos if that's how you think it will be, like Carry said it's better that they're revamping the boring as fuck cookie clicker combat and making the story better compared to Ark 1. But i guess them making the story and game better must mean we're no longer gonna have a survival sandbox game like Ark 1, we're getting the same type of game but just improved on what the first one was lacking. Also ''story mode with co-op'' hilarious that you thought that just bc the game will have a story that's better presented than Ark 1 🤣

[formal orchid]

dude they already sayd will be a next gen update for ark1

no need to make ark2 multiplayer

[split dove]

everything you people write down just gets dumber and dumber with each person

[coarse cave]

ah you must be new, welcome to the internet

[tropic forge]

that was once the purpose but for employees, now if you go "free" and ask players of your game to test it to find exploits and balance its gonna be the other way around

[tropic forge]

then why youre so worried about them making a ark 2 whit multi?

[untold totem]

Multiplayer is already confirmed in the game's Main Menu

[formal orchid]

cuz i know how hard is to make a good multiplayer with storyline, and im fine with just ark 1 in new gen for multi(weigh 500Gb xD a full ssd low cost)

[tropic forge]

ho wait i dint read that part well, you think you gonna get a remake ark 1 🤣

[lime forge]

Ark 1 is already confirmed to be moved to UE5. That’s not a question.

[formal orchid]

not remake, just next gen update

[tropic forge]

yeh im not seeing wildcard remaking all dinos to fit in this "next gen update"

[lime forge]

Now that I think about it. This is exactly the reason you lost that bet that you flaked out on.

You have no credibility or a leg to stand on

[formal orchid]

its just upscale the textures then press nanite on xD

[tropic forge]

well for that you already have a exemple that jeremy share

[lime flicker]

I can’t wait for ark 2 !!!!

[tropic forge]

i cant wait for gameplay 🤣

[formal orchid]

i rlly dont care what comes first just something to eat xD

feed us wildcard

[rare heart]

December 31st

Tbf this is like the best dinosaur game in terms of updates

[winged dome]

🍻

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

I can’t wait to see people moaning something fierce after the gameplay trailer

“Feed me!” “I need info” they cry before hand

“What the hell is this?” “Why didn’t they show us anything important” “Why is this game not exactly the same as my fantasy interpretation of it?” they cry after

[winged dome]

That is exactly how the majority of this chat will react

[split dove]

knowing the collective iq of the community this has a 97% chance of happening, even after something awesome being shown

i always refer to the vocal majority, the more silent part of the community is actually way better to try and communicate with.

the ones with correctly functioning brains at the very least

[untold totem]

Or just play mirror's edge or the "Pirated ARK" ATLAS

They can do those even with first person

[split dove]

those same people play more in third person than they want to admit, but i guess it's good when it's on dinos, but somehow when everything is TPO it's bad it seems. Even after you tell them why first person wouldn't have worked well as third person

nooblets also doesn't help our current case

[untold totem]

First person is good if you need something accurate like building and aiming

Most 3rd person build required a pre-made template

Only Valheim that is exclusively 3rd person without premades but it's hard to build

[urban stone]

а руссие есть

[untold totem]

Basically just premade 3x3s for example

But for free form building, it's different

[urban stone]

жаль

[untold totem]

Most building I see use first person (me included)

The only time you use 3rd person, and by extension, K Mode is when you don't want your survivor to rotate

Or mesh checking

[lime forge]

I can’t wait to not have to check the mesh in Ark 2

[urban stone]

who wants to join me official server in arc

[winged dome]

Wrong channel

[urban stone]

sorri

[blissful perch]

We do a bit of oracle work from time to time 😂

[untold ingot]

My fantasy version of it just has nerfed fliers

[blissful perch]

Your skill tree breeding combat and PvP feature requests aren’t part of that 😅

Sadly my main dream features will never show up in a gameplay trailer

[untold ingot]

I mean those would be cool, but all I really want is nerfed fliers

[rare heart]

Fliers indeed would be danty as hell

realistically

Other than just like shooting off of the back of a flyer

Flyer vs flyer is its own thing

[untold ingot]

Tf does danty mean

[rare heart]

Fragile

weak in general

[untold ingot]

Why not just say that lol

[rare heart]

Idk

i thought it got the point across

[untold ingot]

Even google doesn't know that word lol

[thick tulip]

XD dainty*, not danty

[rare heart]

I think i spelled it wrong

yeah

[untold ingot]

Dainty has connotations of being graceful, it doesn't even make sense given the context lol

A flying dinosaur that can carry a person is not dainty lol

[rare heart]

I mean yeah but generally most flying animals are dainty/small

[rare heart]

Its big but so is everything else on ark

[untold ingot]

Dainty isn't a good descriptive word in this case lol

[rare heart]

Ok WEAK

like fucking every flier would get destroyed on the ground Irl by anything that is “around the same size or bigger”

Even though fliers are like half the weight of everything else inorder to fly

But videogame, so it doesnt matter

[untold ingot]

It does matter, fliers need a nerf, hard for gameplay

[rare heart]

i agree

its just the fact its a video game they could do anything

[untold ingot]

Which is why I didn't say use a sparrow in the game for fliers, I want the ingame ones to be weak 🙄

[rare heart]

The sky would be like almost as limiting in a pvp sense

Only good for bombing and scouting

And both realms would have their own sense of pvp, mostly

no pteranodon is beating anything up unless its smaller than a raptor

Flyers if ark 2 is more gritty and grounded. Wouldnt be used for brawling with the exception of like 1-2 animals like argentavis for example

[blissful perch]

Fliers in ark 2 should have horrible air to ground matchups

Air to air seems fine. Transport seems fine. But air to ground combat is just poo

[rare heart]

id be fine with shooting off the back and bombing

actual flying animals destroying big land based creatures is so bad

[blissful perch]

Hopefully nothing has the range to work while you’re flying

[rare heart]

probably

Bombing would only be good really, using a flyer for guns to just find high spots i guess

[lime forge]

Quetz catapult saddle

Siege the sky’s

That’s the slogan

[blissful perch]

@untold ingot you’re taking this one over

[rare heart]

Why not just bomb straps xd

that release and drop down on things

[lime forge]

This isn’t WWE you don’t get to tag out

[rare heart]

id be fine with a suicide creature tbh

[untold ingot]

The big issue with fliers that make them supremely broken is that they can pick you off of anything.

[lime forge]

Because a flying catapult launching jars of pitch is cooler

[untold ingot]

They don't have to be able to kill your ride, just carry you far enough away that you can't get back easily

[rare heart]

That should be compy’s kit

Wearable c4

[untold ingot]

Add that to cryos of being able to throw out any Dino, or army of dino, and it makes fliers literally the most overpowered dinos in the game lol

Without turret protection, a pt beats a giga 9/10 times

[rare heart]

Flyers also have the majority of the magic xd

just design wise

[untold ingot]

Add that to the fact that there are fliers that can literally carry someones entire base

[rare heart]

that makes no sense im sorry

Its cool but like bruh

[untold ingot]

Other than lightning and blood breath weapons are trivial lol

It's the picking that is overboard

[rare heart]

ye ik

[untold ingot]

Flier weight need a drastic nerf, and cryos need to be removed, and picking should be very hard, of not impossible

[rare heart]

just saying like compared to land stuff most flyers do hocus pocus stuff

why i want an giant falcon or legit bird of prey to be anti air to take out ppl being annoying

Whilst simultaneously being one of the hardest things to obtain

but yeah grabbing needs a tiny ass hitbox

falcon is prefered because instead of doing bleed and relying on grabs to do everything they punch instead. Sounds cool on paper idk

[untold ingot]

If it takes massive damage on collisions with the ground, sure

[lime forge]

This isn’t Super Smash Bros

There won’t be any falcon punching

[rare heart]

You do know falcons punch their prey right?

[thick tulip]

kinda

[untold ingot]

If there is a flier that can do massive damage to ground creatures without a counter, than it'll be no different than now

[split dove]

the only falcon punch we get is me using a glove made of falcon feathers

[rare heart]

Yeah no thats dumb

i only suggest falcon because itd act as anti air

And i think most fliers should crash and die if they hard flop on the ground

But yes in general anti land flyers is ass

[thick tulip]

def! grounding is 100% real lol

ive seen bald eagles die instantly from a power dive into the ground. instant death every time

[lime forge]

Yeah man I’m a falconer that’s a thing I know

[rare heart]

What else would an ark falcon do then

[untold ingot]

I mean, in ark1 they carry your entire set of possessions, including dinos lol

[rare heart]

If its super hard to use because your going so fast and your leg has a tiny hitbox i dont see an issue

Though id suggest instead of just raw damage it just knocked out fliers for a short duration

More or less subduing something that was too close to the ground

[untold ingot]

That comes to the point that if it is a point and aim, it's going to be trivial for most people lol

[rare heart]

Maybe long charge up then

[untold ingot]

Having it knock things out would be too broken

[rare heart]

not like a straight knock out

[untold ingot]

People have tons of hours with this function. Griffins already do dive bomb

[rare heart]

More or less maybe sends you into free fall for some seconds and you can catch yourself

If ur too close to the ground is when it becomes very lethal

[untold ingot]

There is a reason why griffins aren't breed able lol

[uneven oriole]

Hello guys

[rare heart]

I think if its gimmick was to punish people flying too low itd be fine

While also being a general harrasser in the air

[blissful perch]

Fliers should be forced to rely on their mobility and flexibility when engaged with grounded creatures - they should be in strong disadvantage

[untold ingot]

It would be either too strong, or so weak that it wouldn't be worth doing

[rare heart]

so more or less an animal you use if people can shoot/bomb off the back of other fliers

[blissful perch]

There should be NO viable air to ground combat options

[rare heart]

I mean its weak but it cancels actions and disorients people in high altitudes

[untold ingot]

Air to ground vs a player or a raptor is fine, but weight and picking can't be a thing

[rare heart]

can really only kill people that fly too low + would have to ambush them with a dive

And if you are seen people can fly up

[rare heart]

True

im not sure how to balance picking without making people absolutely unable to do it on someone thats mounted

Tbf pterosaurs were anatomically incapable of picking up things with their feet. Or pteranodon at least

there should really only be one animal that could directly pick like ark one. And itd have to be slow as shit to compensate for it

[untold ingot]

By all means make it impossible to do

[rare heart]

Sure

[untold ingot]

One flier that can reliably pick makes ground pvp impossible without turret coverage in ark1. It would be no different in ark 2

[rare heart]

Yeah

[thick tulip]

other games use things like a button sequence UI that allows the player to defend themselves

[rare heart]

id much prefer ppl relying on other harder things to knock ppl off stuff

[untold ingot]

Ark introduced that with the desmo and blood stalker, but it's not enough

[rare heart]

Like microraptor

Quick time maybe

but only for bigger dinosaurs since i feel like stuff around thyla size could dodge possibly?

But then again doesnt work that well depending on how many ppl there are

[thick tulip]

then turn the tables and make the attacking flyer use a complex button sequence to grab lol

[untold ingot]

People will just make it a macro and it'll be useless anyway lol

[thick tulip]

i mean i guess whining about it could work too lol

[rare heart]

idk need more animals that counter fliers…. Theres really like less than 5

If you can grab a flier itd destroy it so easily

[untold ingot]

Or just nerf fliers lol

[rare heart]

Sure i guess less cool though

I hope thyla if it retains its grab thing will be more fluent/ not rely on a tree to do it

[untold ingot]

I am less worried about cool as I am about having viable ground options lol

[rare heart]

I think flyers will always have a bullshit factor

[untold ingot]

Having to have turret cover to have ground pvp is dumb imo

[rare heart]

Like if you could throw bombs? 50/50 chance itll utterly ruin bases

Indeed it is dumb

[glad plank]

Is ark 2 gonna be on PlayStation? Because I just saw a post and lots of people were saying it’s Xbox exclusive

[rare heart]

Initially probably

but yes it is if i remember

[winged dome]

🍻

[untold ingot]

There is no confirmation that it will be, but the speculative hope is thst it'll be on ps a year after release

[glad plank]

Ah good I hope that’s true because I don’t wanna buy an Xbox just to play the game

[south lance]

i do like tje concept of picking players, i just think it should be higher risk

someone on a giga should know fear

[untold ingot]

Concept is fine, but it's too broken

It need a nerf

Any flier being a hard counter for any ground creature is too much lol

[south lance]

have it so flyers have insanely reduced stam, or that picking takes like 80% stam

and total stam only allows flight for like 30 seconds to a minute

[untold ingot]

Flier Stam is like the only thing I think doesn't need a nerf lol

[south lance]

?

[winged dome]

If there even are picks, fliers shouldn't be able to carry anything larger than like a Raptor

[rare heart]

Should just make them slower if they pick

[south lance]

flyer stam is why picking is so viable tho

you can pick endlessly

[rare heart]

like… struggling to lift up stuff

[untold ingot]

It's picking people that is the problem

[south lance]

^

[untold ingot]

With a lvl 15 pt I can counter a giga, Stam is not an issue lol

[winged dome]

Players at least have a few options to counter picking

Whips, Flamethrowers, Shotguns, Nets

[south lance]

stam is still an issue when that pt can stay flying for so long

esp while carrying someone else

weight and stam need to be nerfed

[untold ingot]

You don't have to fly for long. You just get them of their tame consistently and drop them until the die of fall damage

[south lance]

thats long enough for this

make it so ascension is nearly impossible while having someone picked

the kill option shouldve always been primarily barrel roll rather than dropping from a height

[untold ingot]

That'll still make fliers essential for any ground combat

[south lance]

itll make it so flyers prevent people on large dinos from being mostly unkillable

[untold ingot]

It is lol

[south lance]

its a combo atm

barrel roll makes it faster, and pushes players into the ground

[untold ingot]

It's broken atm lol

[south lance]

but the height thing is still the biggest issue imo

and stam

barrel roll + pick should be like 90% of stam

you physically cannot get far with that then

[untold ingot]

You are on your Rex, a pt picks you, his friend on his Rex now has a free Dino and player kill because you can't fight back

[south lance]

2v1

fair enough ig tho

[untold ingot]

Even without height and Stam just the ability to stop players from doing anything is enough

[south lance]

its physically impossible to win 2v1 if the pt has more or less infinite opportunities to pick you

[untold ingot]

Make it a 10v10 then, 4 or 5 would have to be on fliers on each side. Thats a dumb ratio imo

[south lance]

make rexes able to ohk pts

thatd probably be a fair solution

have a tail swipe for people coming behind

it should be high risk high reward

[untold ingot]

That would make fliers useless. I don't want useless fliers, just nerfed lol

[south lance]

not useless if you have like 0.5 seconds to react

[untold ingot]

I want fliers to be mainly limited to scouting

[south lance]

thats unaffected here

[untold ingot]

Reaction time for a decent gamer is way less than 0.5 seconds lol

[south lance]

thats in normal to ideal conditions

like, this isnt supposed to be a fair fight to begin with

a 2v1 is always supposed to favor 2

[tropic forge]

🍿

[south lance]

its just to what extent

a rex is fighting another rex, theres trees, you wont always be able to block a pt

it doesnt even need to kill really, it could just do a 30 second stun

so the rex has to defend his friend as well as kill you if you succeed, and you have the ability to kill his friend too

[untold ingot]

Make it 2 ground players vs one ground and one flier then, the result will be the same, a free Dino and player kill immediately, followed by a second

[south lance]

not in the system i outlined

because theres a risk to the flyer

as it stands flyers have 0 risk

[untold ingot]

A one hit kill in any game is a broken mechanic

[south lance]

its a pt

these arent supposed to be high investment dinos

its asymmetric balance

a rex is far more valuable, so it should be harder to kill. A pt takes way less time, it should be easier to kill

rexes are made to be damage dealers and tanks, they should be able to take out small dinos fast

[untold ingot]

They aren't supposed to be worthless either. If it gets one tapped by everything it is useless. And what about high investment dinos?

[south lance]

its not like a 360 aoe ohko tho

[untold ingot]

Say a quetz, or similar?

Your counter of a Rex on a pt would only work in the case of pt on rex, and isn't really generalizable

[south lance]

i mention a tail swipe, and you can maybe have a bite grab, if the aoe is set up right thisll leave attacks from near the middle to above able to hit. The goal is to get the rex while hes not moving, so he cant move forwards or backwards and ohko

this works for any flyers really, but you can change stun time, and damage taken or just increase hp

[untold ingot]

A stun on a flier is the same as a 1hit kill

[south lance]

this can still work on a moving rex, but he can just juke and ohko

[south lance]

sure

what do you want a flyer to be able to do to a rex

bite it 300 times?

[untold ingot]

Remove picking as a mechanic mainly

[south lance]

its at the very least, an option

[untold ingot]

Pt vs Rex is not a fight that should be happening imo

[south lance]

if you reduce flyers to just being able to atk, then it will already lose to a rex, or be annoying

itll happen

[untold ingot]

The pt should just run away lol

[south lance]

itll run away only if its an ohko

if not, your other option is to give the pt 0 ways to affect a rex

[untold ingot]

If a person is good enough to melee attack in a pt vs Rex and win they should be able to, but it should be high skill and not reliable

[south lance]

what melee are you gonna use on a rex

[untold ingot]

Yes, because a crow has no affect on a lion 🙄

[south lance]

a crow annoys a lion over several minutes

this works because irl things dont like being pinched

[untold ingot]

Pt vs large Dino should not be viable

[untold ingot]

But it can't beat a lion in a fight

It runs away

[south lance]

i dislike removal of all combat options

youre forcing players to play a very specific meta then

limiting sandbox nature of the game