ark-2

[tropic crag]

Again, how is neon colored dinos a flaw? And what evidence do you have to back that up besides "dude, trust me"?

[lime forge]

We’re only allowed to have linear points of view here. You either agree with pikmin and spartan or you get cancelled. There is no in between.

[tropic crag]

Are you going to say anything useful, or just talk shit?

[rare heart]

Theyre colors….i have eyes and i want to believe i have a grasp on a nice palate

[untold ingot]

Bring up a flaw, and bring up a solution to it, and be open to differing opinions lol. Like there are literally too many people here who are tired of everyone doing nothing but bringing up flaws. Like yeah the game has bugs, we all know that. It's not new lol

[lime forge]

A little bit of both…

[tropic crag]

Hardly

[rare heart]

And i had other alternatives but everyone i guess is too good to care to have listend to half of what i typed

[tropic crag]

You haven't brought up a single one, other than removal.

[rare heart]

yeah see no

I did

[untold ingot]

I mean, maybe I am wrong but your big talking points have been to remove features from the game, and your solutions to it haven't been very thoroughly articulated.

[rare heart]

It just drowned in a sea of arguments

[tropic crag]

Reply it

I read the whole chat for 6 hours, didn't see it somehow, reply it so I can jump to it

[rare heart]

Wth

[tropic crag]

What?

[stray elm]

Okay, what's the argument this time?

[rare heart]

That was me sending it

it said invalid link

[untold ingot]

Reply to it lol, you can't do links

[tropic crag]

Reply the message, links aren't allowed here for the most part

[rare heart]

.

[astral token]

That is a different thing altogether

It’s called dynamic skinning, and it’s on my wishlist for ARK II

[rare heart]

No its not

That whole segment was about breeding

[astral token]

U clearly have no idea how the game works, colours are not the same as skins, every skin has its own colour

[stray elm]

Honestly, I think both would be nice

[rare heart]

You could still get the colors but there is a chance for rare skin mutations

[astral token]

Mutations will probably stay

[lime forge]

The genetic skin condition idea is far better than wild event colors.

[tropic crag]

Skin patterns ≠ colors, imo

[stray elm]

Having physical mutations that change the creatures skin to be more rough, while having color mutations to add flavor.

[rare heart]

and i just think neon colors wouldnt fit the game if its art style was more realistic

[stray elm]

Honestly, skin patterns with color mutations sounds dope

[lime forge]

The only neon colors I’ve ever liked are the aberrant variants

[tropic crag]

Ark has never been a 100% realism game, and I hope that stays true

[stray elm]

Yeah, please don't be realistic.
I don't come to ARK for it's realism.

[rare heart]

Fine with me, i just think less saturation in mutation colors would be better for positioning and pvp

[untold ingot]

I mean, say what you will, but I hear a tooooooon of pve players go crazy about colors on their dinos. Getting rid of it in favor of more "realistic" colors in a game that is not realistic would make a lot of people riot lol

[tropic crag]

To be fair, most colors on aberrant dinos are sick af

[lime forge]

How so?

[astral token]

Also do remember every skin comes with an increase in file size

While dynamic skinning can help a lot with this

[stray elm]

I agree with that actually.
Or maybe add more then just saturated mutations, then people don't have to have Barney the dinosaur for a 70k melee mutated rex

[untold ingot]

If you don't want colors, you don't have to use them, but a lot of people do like them

[astral token]

It’s not feasible to have more than 10 skins per creature

[stray elm]

And?

[lime forge]

Well if we delete Ark 1 and all of its dlc we’re gonna have SO MUCH room for activities

[astral token]

This is true

[untold ingot]

This is true, but you could use some sort of basic ai that creates patterns or something

[astral token]

That is essentially what dynamic skinning is

[stray elm]

A normal-map iirr doesn't add much to a file size, and so you change the normal map of a creature and the size wont be that large.

[rare heart]

Im assuming the graphics are better, and if the game is brought up to a more realistic standard

Id also speculate you cant change certain features that boost ur advantage in pvp because it ruins the feel of the game

If the graphic are more realistic and better optimized a pink trex would be supper inefficient for ambush and other tactics

[untold ingot]

I just had to think through how to do it lol

[astral token]

Dynamic skinning detects where a creature is spawning/some other user input variable, and based on tnat automatically applies a texture to a given model

[rare heart]

because ark one has meh graphics, making those colors have insane pop and it looks ugly in my opinion

[stray elm]

We've seen graphics.
The ARK-2 trailers are in-engine, so that's roughly what we're getting

[lime forge]

God I hope you’re right.

[rare heart]

Like if you can get rid of ALL shadows and extra foliage

[lime forge]

I can’t stand people that use that ini bs

And then claim it isn’t cheating

[rare heart]

Sure neon pink rainbow dinosaurs all the way because it doesnt matter anymore

[stray elm]

To be fair, they removed the ability to change that INI like two months ago

[lime forge]

Like bruh. How am I supposed to sneak up and knock you out if you’ve removed all fog, and 90% of the foliage I’m hiding in.

[rare heart]

Like if THAT is how the game relatively looks funny rainbow dinosaurs would be the most immersion ruining mechanic ever

[lime forge]

Agreed.

[astral token]

Choice is good

[lavish rain]

Tf is going on

[stray elm]

I think the issue is that they mostly have 'only' vibrant colors.
I think if they added more variety between saturated and non-saturated, it wouldn't be that bad.

[untold ingot]

Being third person only also somehow breaks immersion. It's almost like the devs are more concerned about making their game than they are with making a Dino simulator lol

[rare heart]

I know

And im not saying completely delete those bright colors

I think there are plenty of animals that can be colorful without killing the games theme

[stray elm]

Immersion is also a very subjective term.
People find immersion in third-person, or with saturated colors.

[rare heart]

Just not like… mammals and giant dinosaurs

[south lance]

different patterns would be cool

[rare heart]

the saturation I believe Should be brought down on the animals it makes most sense too

micros? Dodos? Sinos? Whatever go wild

[stray elm]

I don't know.
If I specifically breed to get Barney the dinosaur, I should get Barney the dinosaur.
But that should be me trying to actively get said color, not a 90% chance to get a bright ass pink or red.

[south lance]

i think thatd be cool if the game made camouflage more important by setting ini and such

[rare heart]

As long as its not as eye blinding as the sun im ok with that color choice

[lime forge]

Crazy colors should be an option through painting. I’d rather not see wild event colors roaming around because it’s 2 weeks before Christmas.

[south lance]

i think the current color saturation is disgusting on a lot of creatures, with exception to glow

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t mind so much if they were at least somewhat rare

[south lance]

make it minimalistic at most

[rare heart]

Like you can have those colors…. Just tone it down….

[lime forge]

But having to find a snow owl that’s a decent level AND not sickeningly green is a pain.

[south lance]

so like, dinosaurs had special bits to show off in courtship like skin flaps and feathers

[untold ingot]

I think colorful dinos add variety to the game

[rare heart]

Yes and breedable skin patterns would be awesome

What i need

[south lance]

you can add color there

but standardize colors on the wider regions more

[lime forge]

Bright colors for something like this would be cool.

[untold ingot]

If I can't make a neon pink and green Rex, what is even the point of life

[rare heart]

Yeah

[south lance]

you paint the rex

[rare heart]

No problem with bright colors on the parts of a dinosaur that probably were bright like display organs

as long as they cant be distributed to other regions

[south lance]

you can still paint in your lgbt rex

they just cant be mutated like that

[untold ingot]

I really don't have a strong opinion on Dino colors, as long as they are good, and work with the game, it really doesn't make much difference to me

[tropic crag]

Honestly, take that and run with it. When the other people have barney gigas, and you have camo patterned, appropriate to the biome color schemes, you'll come out on top most likely. But, the barney giga people shouldn't have their colors desaturated or anything, just because someone doesn't like them. I'd say it takes more skill to get the camo/easier to hide colors on a dino, at least in Ark 1. Here's hoping colors in Ark 2 are more selectable, in some way. I think I understand that bit, at least

[rare heart]

I just dont like when the colors mess with the lighting

[south lance]

if camo is important basically nobody will run barney giga except for funny youtube gags

[rare heart]

i feel like that isnt just a me issue

but i agree

[south lance]

but you can still have barney giga, just by painting it

[untold ingot]

How do the colors mess with the lighting?

[rare heart]

Being bright and arks bad lighting

[lime forge]

I want entirely different skins for mutations. Fuck wacky colors. Get a mutation? Now your Rex has extra spikes. Way cooler.

[south lance]

i dont usually like realism but id like more natural tones on the dinos to match with the more realistic graphics im expecting from the game

[rare heart]

Happens in the isle too Albeit in a different manner

That

like even if they were natural pink giga is less efficient then the camo giga

[untold ingot]

I could go for this, as long as they don't make it into every Dino is a gremlin because they did no prior testing lol

[rare heart]

At least from how the isle works (bright colors that arent overdone but make the game harder)

Yes more skins

Maybe like 3 for each dino idk

[lime forge]

Imma need at least a dozen.

I’m a man that appreciates variety

[rare heart]

idk feels like heavy art work

[lime forge]

Well they’ve had plenty of gd time

[untold ingot]

Making instanced skins reduce the variety. Making models and textures that can be manipulated is way bettef

[rare heart]

Harder i think

if the skins can be colored i see no issue?

Like i dont want straight static skins just different patterns

Thatd be fairly lame

idk depending on what model changes were talking about might mess with hitboxes a tad

[lavish rain]

Animated skins, (skins that glow and stuff, but animated series skins would be cool too)

[rare heart]

.3.

You talking like just an anime dinosaur or patterns similar to the show

[untold ingot]

Like I said, I don't have strong opinions on it lol

[lime forge]

We have animated raptor and parasaur skins. I’m assuming that’s what he’s talking about.

[rare heart]

i guess

[lavish rain]

No

I mean like skins that move and glow and shit, skins are static, but memory could be the issue

[rare heart]

Wdym… move and glow….

[untold ingot]

I'm not following

[tropic crag]

We don't need CoD skins in Ark

[lavish rain]

Yes we do

[untold ingot]

You mean like primal fear type skins?

[tropic crag]

Now that shit is obnoxious to look at, I'll admit

[rare heart]

(I dont think there should be event skins to begin with)

[untold ingot]

People like them, and wildcard likes them, wygd

[rare heart]

Hate forever

[winged dome]

Don't like them? Don't use them

[rare heart]

i do but they make my eyes hurt ez

[stray elm]

Okay, honest request.
Can we separate meat from humans to 'human flesh' and 'raw meat' to other animals?
I wanna know what is and isn't human flesh I'm eating.
Cause ummm......currently it gets all mixed up....

[rare heart]

Nah tacobell meat only

[lavish rain]

Yeah, what's the in game praticality?

[rare heart]

there are only three types of meat

Small
Large
Sheep

[stray elm]

I don't know.
Maybe you lost health if you eat human meat, cooked or uncooked?

[untold ingot]

Hopefully you are talking in game 🤨😂

[stray elm]

I am now re-reading it, and the context does not add up

[rare heart]

I dont think you lose health when u eat ppl

I think you just go insane

Allowing ppl to tell you eat ppl

And to avoid you

[stray elm]

No shit.
But I wouldn't add a whole sanity system to ARK unless it had more uses then human flesh

[rare heart]

What i say? That

witiwwawy

[untold ingot]

I mean, I don't know if that is a pressing issue. The bigger issue is that when I cook a Rex steak I can't actually see the steak

[rare heart]

Some animals should be inedbile too

That too

[untold ingot]

That sounds like a lot of work omto revamp a system lol, there would have to be more to it than just increasing the number of meat types just because

Adding complexity just for the sake of it is never a good idea lol

[rare heart]

Just… call it one item?

Tainted meat

dirty meat obviously best name

[untold ingot]

Spoiled works just fine imo

[rare heart]

nah but thats the thing

It has to trick you Thats the whole gimmick

Disguise it by naming it regular meat

[lavish rain]

Whatst ge point of making this complex meat system

[rare heart]

And the name switches when you eat it

Ez

[wispy sierra]

why

[rare heart]

Adding a new meat

1 meat

[rare heart]

Because you cant eat every animal, and i think this should only apply to like at least 3

[lavish rain]

Wtf

[wispy sierra]

or just have them not drop meat...?

[rare heart]

But thats not fun

You could have the name change be permanent after eating it one time maybe

[wispy sierra]

i don't see how randomly getting harmed by eating meat you didn't even know was inedible would be fun

[rare heart]

youd just get sick

[untold ingot]

Neither is an annoying game design made simply to troll lol

[rare heart]

Erm survival game

like how eating random berries makes you lose water or just… knocks you out

why not meat given from a specific creature?

[untold ingot]

In actual survival, you know what type of meat you are eating lol

[lime forge]

I’ll eat any animal.

I’m so high up the food chain, the first thing I think when I see a new animal is “I wonder what it tastes like”

[rare heart]

Yes but these are dinosaurs these new group of humans are interacting with

You cant tell me theres gonna be one guy in a realistic scenario who doesnt know its not safe

[untold ingot]

People eat lizards and birds all the time. As long as you cook it, it's usually safe lol

[rare heart]

fugu fish

[untold ingot]

You can even cook ants and eat them just fine

[rare heart]

Fugu

[untold ingot]

That doesn't sound like Rex to me lol

[rare heart]

Fish

?

im saying like a handful of creatures should be inedible that ppl have to find out the hard way

Like 1-3

[untold ingot]

Seems excessive for no good reason

[rare heart]

There are a few animals if prepared inproperly

[lavish rain]

He likes to watch people suffer

[rare heart]

It could have other uses no?

Like damaging poison

coat ur arrows in toxin from the meat?

So youd have to insepct the meat to permanently discover its properties or accidentally eat it

[untold ingot]

That's not usually how toxic arrows work lol. Usually you have to actually have toxins lol

[rare heart]

There are animals with poisonous meat

and also yeah id be down for an animal that produces toxin to use for toxic arrows

they could have puffer fish

Cause paralysis toxins are found im dart frogs and in blow fish so i mean either could work

You could make beezlebufo do that

i mean its a survival game idk why we cant have a couple things to test people

[lavish rain]

You are deranged

Your ideas are deranged

[rare heart]

That one was genius wdym

if someone irl ate a blowfish and died on the spot i see no reason why a bob wouldnt do the same fr

its the little stuff that counts

Like if its something you obviously shouldnt eat then i dont see why that shouldnt be a thing

Because some noobs would do it anyways and not think twice

[untold ingot]

It honestly doesnt really add anything to a game that is supposed to last years

[rare heart]

Toxin you can apply to weapons doesnt sound useful?

Ok….

[untold ingot]

From meat. Yeah

[rare heart]

Why is the fact it comes from meat the issue

Like how most toxic animals work

Glands in the skin

[lavish rain]

@untold ingot retreat to the hideout

[rare heart]

How is that an insane take thats like a reasonable idea

thats what they do with dart frogs

And the reason ppl die to blowfish when they eat it

[winged dome]

Gonna need a lot of blowfish to drop a Rex 😂

[rare heart]

See… this is where the video game logic comes in

[untold ingot]

Why didn't it come in before lol

[winged dome]

Too busy using realism to make sure dinos only have realistic colors - but we'll suspend belief for the sake of blowfish

[lavish rain]

Why have realism in funny alien dinosaur orc game

[lavish rain]

Thus is when toxic tranq knife comes in

That is the only proposal from him I like, toxic tranq knife

[wispy sierra]

i think it should just be a toxin then, unless you can maybe trick a creature into eating it

[lavish rain]

Sandwitch go back to the hideout

[wispy sierra]

otherwise it's like organic polymer, you have the option to eat it, but nobody does it

[wispy sierra]

it's fine i have protective gear

[rare heart]

My proposals are simply too much for the average ark player

so fricking goated

[rare heart]

Yes

Im for fun. I personally dont find those colors fun as well

Ontop of those colors being too goofy for ark 2’s new style if it stays true

[gentle night]

What was your suggestion?

[rare heart]

For what

Colors or poison

[gentle night]

The one people didn’t understand

[rare heart]

Literally everything i say these people cant comprehend different ideas

[gentle night]

Oh, I assume the poison was something to do with the dart frog talk

[rare heart]

Yeah

[gentle night]

What would it be used for? Melee weapons?

And ranged*

[rare heart]

Basically there should be like an animal that has a different meat/or like a substance

And basically youll have to study it/or eat it do find out its properties permanently even if u die.

Because if you dont study it itll basically appear as regular meat

You can apply that to weapons like they do with dart frogs

blowfish work the same way sort of

or you could have that work with like

Dilos or beezlebufo

or you could have a snake for venom… although snake milking would be ineffective for such a purpose

[mellow wadi]

there are going to be more kinds of weapons right?

not just arati, scrap metal, and survivor

[rare heart]

Id… assume so

And more types of weapons obviously

those might be like launch tiers

[autumn frigate]

they should just implement the upgrade bench mod into base ark 2

[rare heart]

that is an evil mod

[autumn frigate]

running caves for random loot drops is evil

[rare heart]

True but you have to play the game how it was intended!!!

[autumn frigate]

you should be able to upgrade your base gear based off of your crafting skill

[jaunty dagger]

water jar blueprint,,,

[rare heart]

Yes

[jaunty dagger]

Also you don't have to play the game as intended cause
Mods.
I would like an easier way to get nice blueprints if blueprints are to make a return.

[rare heart]

It was a joke

But text

[split dove]

All of you are deranged and make Lotus look normal. Never write down anything else to save my eyes from burning.

[blissful perch]

Let me see if I can help you with perspective taking. I now think that every ark 2 creature needs to be exclusively highlighter neon colors because Arat is an alien planet and its influence is slowly making the creatures more radiant

Everyone agrees with my opinion because it’s an alien planet so ofc the color palette should reflect that. It’s common sense

[worldly garden]

Speaking of colour palette i'm hoping ARK 2's selection of colours is much better than ARK's limited options.

[blissful perch]

I’m really interested in more realistic manual coloring

It would be cool to color structures too

[lime flicker]

Yeah and it would be totally awesome if your painting a wall and someone walks in front of you and you accidentally paint them 🙂😃

[simple vortex]

Weren't they going to release a roadmap of what is to come in all of ark, so also ark 2 and ark anime? When is that coming

[blissful perch]

sigh @winged dome come forth and toast

A roadmap this month is supposedly coming and boy am I hype to see it

[split dove]

If jeremys word is still accurate we might get the release date and platform for the animated series and maybe something regarding season 2, even though i'm more excited about the Ark 2 portion of the roadmap.
''I know folks would like a more specific date than '2023', but I can say it wont be too far into 2023 for Season 1 & Season 2 should drop in 2023 too!''

[simple vortex]

👀 interesting, thank you!

[lavish rain]

You already know the portion for ark 2 will be a tiny square

And somthing like tsotf cross-platform will be the biggest square

And waste everyone's time

[drowsy hamlet]

Ark2 better be good or I'm asking my money back

[gentle night]

You can refund it from steam ^^

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 be good or lawyer

Classic retaliation

[lone pilot]

what money?

its not even on sale yet

[molten parrot]

Any new news on when actually coming out ? Early access or anything???

[fallow niche]

Just 2023. May get more info when the roadmap releases.

[rare heart]

December 25th

[lavish rain]

They won't release anything on the roadmap is my prediction

[ionic meteor]

My prediction is just the release date of the gameplay

[drowsy hamlet]

Well I'll have to buy it to know if it's good or not and since it's a 3rd player only I'm scared it's going to be crap

[lavish rain]

We will get a release date for a release date of the release date

[ionic meteor]

IF we get an actual release date of the game it'll likely like fall 2023 or winter 2023

[lone pilot]

so dont buy it and wait for gameplays?

[drowsy hamlet]

🤨

[drowsy hamlet]

Na I'm getting it I don't wanne see any videos to be honest

To be honest I'm mainly joking I don't care about the money

Waisted enough money on ark anyway

[sturdy sinew]

watch when the road map stream comes out there going to say ah sry guys ark 2 won't be coming this year it will be sometime in 2024 maybe

[drowsy hamlet]

I mean I'm not expecting anything else than that

[dull stream]

I kind of feel like the delays are justification enough for them to start showing some footage of the game, maybe show a little dev work happening, but it's highlly likely that's the case. If they are trying to push it back a little further, it's probably because UE 5.1 isn't that old yet, and they want that newest build integrated.

[sturdy sinew]

yea i can see it for ue 5 stuff but really they showed the first trailer over what 2/3 years ago and really nothing to show after that

[dull stream]

Yeah, and it really sucks. They have the perfect window to finally get some real marketing done, the streamers and Ark channels in twitch and youtube could blow this up for them and get some good interests really churning, but they have literally offered a few insignificant screenshots and a trailer which doesn't properly represent the game. I don't understand why you'd let people lose interest in Ark 2 like that, its literally driven alot of our group away from the idea of buying Ark 2 if it ever comes out.

[sturdy sinew]

yea like rn there 3.1 ppl watching or streaming it now

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 is gonna be one of the biggest games when it drops

[astral token]

I think you meant: if they’re trying to push it back, its because they haven’t got a ready and stable game yet

[dull stream]

Potentially, but here's the rub, if they are converting Ark to UE5 then that poses a potential road hazard as well, Ark players especially in pvp tend to want to hold onto their bases and years of work, so that could bite em in the arse lol.

[sturdy sinew]

I mean, I’m a very patient person and I’ve been following star Citizen since Kickstarter before the game was even actually out and I’m still playing it and waiting for things to come out and they have like streams every two days in a week and they’re just talking about things to come things that are happening now

[astral token]

Official servers will stay already confirmed

[dull stream]

That to Roy 🙂

[winged dome]

🍻

[dull stream]

I feel ya Shadow, been on board with Star Citizen for years now as well, literally jumped on about 3 days ago and flew around for awhile. :/

lmao @simple vortex I'm not sure they ever really said "when" the roadmap is coming out, would make sense given their tendencies 😄

[sturdy sinew]

Well, a lot of people are saying that’s happening this month that the roadmap stream is coming out

[dull stream]

I'll believe it when I see it, alot of people said they were gonna have gameplay footage at the game awards (both of em) and zippo 😛

[simple vortex]

hmmm fair ahaha. we'll see, i guess!

[sturdy sinew]

yea i heard that to

the pc game awards and the year end games awards

[worldly garden]

The roadmap is coming out this month but no-one has said it will be a stream.

[winged dome]

🍻

[dull stream]

I'm not even gonna reinstall the original Ark till its in UE5, so at least that will be potentially something we'll find out about. I don't particularly like Souls type games so that's a big turn off for me personally, but I'm trying to keep an open mind for Ark 2.

[simple vortex]

i'm still not convinced it'll genuinely be a souls game, i really hope not cuz that's what ark is about for me. i'll see it when it's out ahaha

[dull stream]

yuppers, that's all we can do, wait and see 😄

In any case, I gotta run, gotta go see my tax dude and get this wrapped up, talk at ya all later 🙂

[simple vortex]

exactly! and either way, i'll get it regardless ahaha. i enjoyed ark 1, i'm sure they'll make an enjoyable ark 2 as well

[simple vortex]

ah, good luck and cya!

[sturdy sinew]

ya it was a good talk well im off to play wo long

[untold ingot]

Easy answer is that it won't be a souls game. It's an ark game with souls type combat, that basically just means melee fighting will be a thing

[simple vortex]

yea that's my expectation too

[topaz canyon]

Ark 2 will be just as shit as the first 🤣. Let's face it. Meshing is likely to still happen where they will do little to stop it

[lone pilot]

give us s+ building system and im happy

[split dove]

''We're excited to announce that we'll reveal a development roadmap across all iterations of the ARK Franchise next month.'' idk how you guys thought it would be a stream by reading that.

Also NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreements) exist and seeing as they signed a timed exclusivity contract with Microsoft/Xbox could have also required them signing a NDA. The signs of it are there with some of the devs wanting to share stuff but being unable to, wich is why we probably haven't gotten that much news yet.

Also the whole ''Ark 2 will be just as shit as the first'' is very unlikely, as i recall Wildcard being a super small indie company with little funding when they made their first big game (ARK 1) in 2014-2015. but yeah, you probably are a ''master coder''. Wildcards team has grown a lot, become more experienced and now has more funding then they could dream of in early Ark 1 development. but keep being mad about something that requires them rewriting the base spaghetti code to fix, even after them having done as much as they could without rewriting the whole base code of the game. also, mad you're getting what we had to endure for your exclusives? but Xbox is actually nice and will give Ark 2 to playstation after a while, can't say the same about Playstation tho.

[rare heart]

I bet the roadmap will be like

Base launch…. Consecutive updates up until a certain dlc. Then qol updates until the next one. And then the show or whatever on the side

[lavish rain]

Huh?

[past wind]

And I think the Platypus is a fish

[rare heart]

I want forest esc building

ark building is too clunky

And in the forest you still have elaborate megabases, theres just a lack of tiers/diversity because its usually all wood

[past wind]

You don't like anything in Ark, you should just go play another game

[rare heart]

I do

It can be better and the building is by no means smooth

a lot freedom though

[sullen mango]

i dont liek forest building

[past wind]

Also the forest system wouldn't work in Ark

[sullen mango]

dose not fit ark

[rare heart]

In regular ark sure

this is a whole new game and i would gamble 100% they will not use the same code

the forest building (primarily some of forest) has great building but has doo doo variety

[sullen mango]

yeah but its gonna be same mechanics mostly liek sons of the forest is simillar to the forest with core mechanics and features

[lavish rain]

Gamble? I'll take that bet

[sullen mango]

or ksp1 is simillar to ksp 2

[rare heart]

ark has too much spaghetti code to be reusable

[sullen mango]

what and they can re use it for ue5

[past wind]

same argument always

[split dove]

yeah, why else would they make a new game, not like the old code is so busted and we've had Ark 1 for almost 8 years.

[sullen mango]

every time im in a channel talking flobs just appears half way through the conversation

[past wind]

the forest/sons of the forest is a cooperative game. You just have to play against AI. For pvp, it wouldn't work.

[split dove]

i watch from the shadows, debating if losing my brain cells is worth it or not

[rare heart]

Because its clunky and doesnt functions like most games? Its poorly optimized and a good example is its high storage usage

I think since this second game isnt rushed so they actually re wrote the game from the ground up

Hopefully

[sullen mango]

im aware im saying that sons of the forest and the forest are simillar like with core mechanics and features and ark 2 will probaly be simillar with core mechanics and features with ark 1(either you dont understand my message or i dont undestand yours)

[rare heart]

Which doesnt mean it WONT be like ark 1 it just means itll function better

[sullen mango]

kerbal space program 1 and 2 is another example of this

[sullen mango]

right but your always here

[sullen mango]

yeah but you started this will ark building it will be the same as ark 1

[past wind]

They already said Ark 2 will have building blueprints made by the players and we will also be able to upload them.

[sullen mango]

of course it will function better (eventually)

[past wind]

But the Forest mechanics where you throw resources at it to build the base might not work in ark

[rare heart]

I dont fucking know i just said i WANTED forest esc building and you said “i dont like it”

I think sons of the forest functions better with building but has no where near the freedom or variety ark has

[sullen mango]

im also saying it wont be in ark 2 it will be ark 1 building ( or something very similar)

[rare heart]

sure

[past wind]

Well, you both have the right to voice your opinions on this matter, so what's the issue here?

[rare heart]

Nothing

i just didnt start it

[sullen mango]

yeah would not fit ark is a sandbox open world survival game and sons of the forest is more of a story survival game

[past wind]

You did tho

but people can just answer to you here

because it's an open channel

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 will be unrecognizable from the 1st. There's is no gameplay feature that defines ark, just funny dinos

[rare heart]

No i didnt

He said i started like it was some sort of argument

[past wind]

A feature that defines ark: CTDs

[rare heart]

Which it wasnt

[past wind]

Ark 2 needs to have a lot of CTDs

[sullen mango]

debatable

[rare heart]

Hopefully

[split dove]

CTDs?

[past wind]

Crash to Desktop

When ark closes and you get that wall of text of errors

[sullen mango]

core features and mechanics like building and taming will be similar so unrecognizable is a bit exaggerated

[rare heart]

I think itll have the same patterns but function differently

[past wind]

Yeah, like why call it Ark 2 if you will develop a completely different game

It will be an improved Ark

[rare heart]

like im hoping most taming methods are not knockouts and drugs because that doesnt make any sense

[past wind]

But it's been 8 years, so a lot will change of course

but core features will be there

but improved

[sullen mango]

its funner though

[rare heart]

Is it?

[sullen mango]

cant passive tame a fucking giga

like only other option would be eggs

[rare heart]

No

[sullen mango]

i hate egg taming

[past wind]

It's like, I don't know, when GTA went from 2d to 3d. A lot changed of course, but you can see it's still GTA.

[rare heart]

there are better ways to tame things

[sullen mango]

that being

[past wind]

It depends...

[rare heart]

I think the best form of engaging fun taming in ark 1 is ark additions

[sullen mango]

idk what the taming in that is

[past wind]

Ark 2 will have world events, maybe it will be possible to get baby gigas on missions

[sullen mango]

dont play modded (apart from certain mods)

[rare heart]

If you could more or less knock out or bond with an animal in a not annoying way

[past wind]

or dying gigas and recover them

[sullen mango]

not this dont get tames from stuff like that

[past wind]

But I doubt gigas will be there

[sullen mango]

too unfair and not balanced

[rare heart]

Id assume gigas would be like

[past wind]

at least on the base game

[rare heart]

Dominate the giga to tame it by beating it more or less

[sullen mango]

but you cant exactly do that it would eat your face

[past wind]

Actually they've said there will be missions to protect hurt creatures and things like that

[rare heart]

Video game and drugging animals and waiting is fun? Like easy but not fun

shadow manes are unique, but annoying as hell

[past wind]

Look: "defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges."

[sullen mango]

but probably not things like giga biggest would probably be trike or carno

[rare heart]

giga is probably a rare event

[sullen mango]

things like that

[past wind]

99% sure gigas won't make it

[sullen mango]

im guessing to balance it it would be fairly hard

[past wind]

but world events can have any creatures they want

rexes, carnos etc

[sullen mango]

but it shouldn't have big op creatures

[past wind]

For balancing reasons, I don't think gigas or carchars will make it to Ark 2

[sullen mango]

im more concerned about base spots for pvp

[past wind]

At least for a few years

[rare heart]

Rare events for special creatures

[rare heart]

If they can be saved in blueprints i dont think it allows ppl to make cheese location bases

Lets be real

[sullen mango]

i want car char too i think creatures newer than fjodur should be in ark 2 so they have more time in the spot light

[rare heart]

Itd be impossible to line up a blueprint base in a crack between a cliff lol

[past wind]

Unless they make it smaller and weaker, I doubt it will happen

[rare heart]

I already think they should downsize giga

[sullen mango]

there is easy fixes for things like this

[rare heart]

Still be bigger than rex but not godzillas leg sized

[past wind]

I think Rexes will be top apex creatures for a while

[rare heart]

Probably

i expect creature batch updates like ark 1 honestly

[past wind]

They need to keep stuff out to add as new content later. A constant flow of new stuff helps keeping the game alive.

But, again, people think things like a giga (as it is now on Ark 1) are too op

Anything stronger than a rex might be considered too much

[rare heart]

Its…. Fine…. I just think its too big

[sullen mango]

manas are fucking too op

i would like to see rock drakes back

[rare heart]

i dont mind the stats of a creature as much as i do its artistic take on it

[untold ingot]

Outside of pvp yes

[past wind]

Also for pvp

AFAIK there won't be many ranged weapons

[untold ingot]

Gigas in pvp are honestly only good at meat running. They are like the definition of glass cannon

[sullen mango]

i want rock drakes back because there my favorite creature also the new floating rock landscapes would be cool to ride on a rock drake with

[past wind]

how would you kill someone riding a beast like that? 😂

[past wind]

Imagine Souls like combat with a giga

it bytes things behind it

[sullen mango]

bet elden ring players could be a giga with a sword

[past wind]

of course they promissed new combat system for dinos too

[untold ingot]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want gigas in the game lol, at least not as they are in ark1

[untold ingot]

No, lol

Not with the aoe bite

It also depends on how good the movement is

[past wind]

My point is, if they tone it down, it will be just a different rex

so they might focus on the rex first

[untold ingot]

This is true, but personally I don't have an issue with Rex varients, as long as they are rare in the wild and live in different areas

[rare heart]

Whats wrong with it still bigger than rex but not being 2 rexes tall

[untold ingot]

Size makes 0 difference

[past wind]

me neither, Im just being objective. If they can bring us 100 creatures on the release date, I hope they chose very different creatures

[rare heart]

Giga, spino, and rex are the only carnivores that add variety

Every other large carnivore is more or less just a rex or a giga

[untold ingot]

Damage output is the issue

[rare heart]

Have you seen a side by side of giga and rex

It can be very easily diversified to not be a rex clone

Ur talking about stats though no

[past wind]

I'd rather see more Arat creatures than 10 different "rexes"

[untold ingot]

That's like saying have you seen the size of the titanosuar compared to a paracer

Totally different functions

[rare heart]

thats not what i was referring to

i mostly meant its characteristics

I dont think giga looks anything like rex

And i think charchar shouldnt be in ark 2 as a side note

[untold ingot]

See, me just being me I really don't care about the size or color of dinos, as long as it looks mostly okay it's fine. What matters is the functionality

[past wind]

Carchar is more interesting than the giga

[rare heart]

Meh

[untold ingot]

By far

[rare heart]

In the game yeah

Irl? Basically the same dino

[rare heart]

I agree

[untold ingot]

I do think there should be several types of Frontline carnivores with different specializations.

[rare heart]

but these dinosaur game designs have like… an oddly hard time thinking outside the box at all

I referr to any game that has dinosaurs in it

I think ark 2 designs are the best so far

[winged dome]

Giga and Rex are the only creatures that add variety!

... but all the other creatures are just like them!

Make up your mind my guy

[untold ingot]

Tbh, ark defined the box lol

[rare heart]

You dont know basic dinosaur anatomy!!!

Basically

3 types of large carnivore plan

Tyrannosaur
Characarodontosaurid
Spinosaurid

[untold ingot]

Are you a paleontologist?

[vapid panther]

Thyla with a stealth attack is way different than rex. They just got so overpowered you didn't need to use it anymore. Limiting stats may make it necessary to learn the traits of your tames.

[rare heart]

biology major is that enough

[split dove]

''my source is that i made it the fuck up''

[rare heart]

Basically theres three types of large carnivores that are very unique from eachother

And all of those dinosaurs in each group are basically the same dinosaur but different sizes

[astral token]

Average skill issue guy

[winged dome]

If you're a biology major and you actually believe that, then its time to switch majors

Completely ignoring the entire point of your own science

[astral token]

You know every human is Homo sapiens so other than me everyone is more or less me!

[rare heart]

I am referring to large carnivores

[untold ingot]

Is this your fact, or is there a scientific source to it

[rare heart]

Yes

[winged dome]

To which? 😂

[rare heart]

Scientific source and just basic knowledge

[astral token]

Apex predator ✅

It matches so well!

[untold ingot]

Give me the source.

[rare heart]

Charcharodontosaurids all have the exact same over all design

[astral token]

Clearly I am the same as Homo erectus too! Same genus, different species

[rare heart]

3 digits, slim frame, serrated teeth, and crests

every charcharo to ever exist

[untold ingot]

As a rule I don't accept basic knowledge or common sense arguments, because they are usually a plea to ignorance lkl

[rare heart]

So just have one? Giga, already a household name in ark

[astral token]

Yeah homo erectus have 5 fingers, an ass and a large cranium

Sooo many similarities

[winged dome]

No mention of a brain though, but we already have a pretty good example of that ... 😂

[astral token]

Hats off to you sir I revised my whole class 10 biology!

[astral token]

I don’t type things unintentionally 😉

[past wind]

People usually forget this is a game, not a documentary

gameplay matters

[rare heart]

No

Fucking

[astral token]

No no no, cut the Carno, just keep Rex, Spino, Giga. Man is correct

[rare heart]

Shit dude

People are so fucking deaf here

[astral token]

A genus is too wide a classification

[past wind]

doesn't make sense to add 1000 very similar creatures because they are different IRL

[astral token]

Does it matter? This is a text channel

[untold ingot]

Hard headed sure

[rare heart]

I was reffering to LARGE CARNIVORES

sure i agree

[untold ingot]

You have to make a convincing argument here lol 😂

[astral token]

See I am not a biology major

But personally I feel a Suchomimus and a Spino, although big

Are distinctly differentiable

A game is not made to keep within biological standards

[rare heart]

Im trying?? Im saying those 3 types of large carnivores can be represented because they do different things. But when you look into the groups they are too similar and become copy and paste

Like we dont need giga, acro, and carcar

[astral token]

It is made keeping game used and niches in mind

I agree with you that we don’t need Carchar etc.

[rare heart]

Yeah thats literally what im saying

[astral token]

But I don’t agree that a genus should be a splitting factor

Genus can vary WILDLY

Let alone a whole fucking family

Ur house cat is not a tiger

[rare heart]

Sure, I mostly refer to sizes

Doesnt mean they cant have allosaurus too

[past wind]

From a gaming perspective, the Carchar is more interenting than the giga

[rare heart]

cause gigas old as fuck

[past wind]

would make more sense to bring the Carchar than bringing the giga

[rare heart]

see thats where i disagree

[untold ingot]

For gameplay purposes we don't need 5 Rex clones, and we certainly don't need an ark1 type giga. But with different specializations and abilities I see no issue with various tyoes

[past wind]

also, I don't think they shouldn't bring any of them to Ark 2, at least for a while

[rare heart]

i think they are too similar

[untold ingot]

I like variety lol

[past wind]

just make the Rex top Apex creature. And, maybe, an Arat top Apex creature

[rare heart]

And i think carcar is just an update giga basically

Im fine with that too

[mint swan]

I hope the allo comes back top 5 dino

[untold ingot]

It's really not. It's a separate type that has a totally different gameplay and strengths

[past wind]

Unless they are cutting other important creatures, I don't have anything against it

but as of now, I doubt making variants wouldn't canibalize other creatures with different features

[rare heart]

Ik but its quality and design surpass giga by years

Giga couldve at least got a tlc

[split dove]

the first announcement trailer had a Aratai using a club with a allo skull, so they could return

[mint swan]

I hope so

[untold ingot]

I am going to stand on the side that more variety in dinos is better than more tlcs, but I know people disagree with that

[rare heart]

Needs an allo skull to be crafted

[rare heart]

Just do both…. Or just make the old dinosaurs good the first time

[untold ingot]

They will be for ark2 lol

[rare heart]

Yes

[past wind]

I don't, but I just want a new "class" of dino rather than just a new variant

I doubt they can deliver everything on the initial release

[rare heart]

What do u mean by variant cause i dont think a more accurate giga is a rex variant at all

[untold ingot]

Sure, tbf though, with recent Dino releases they have been creating new classes lol

It might not matter much in pvp if you use a carcha or a giga, but in pvp it 100% matters depending on situation

Desmo is another one. It doesn't really replace other fliers, but it adds a new twist to gameplay

[past wind]

I mean, we need more mid tier dinos and low tier dinos, and they should be important for the game

as of now, people just tame the "top tier" creatures and that's about it

[rare heart]

Dodo being shit food makes no sense in ark 1

Basically a chicken

should be like a lite ovis

[past wind]

Like back in 2015-2016 we need low tier and mid tier creatures because we needed them for the kibbles

[untold ingot]

True, the quality in general of the dinos needs to improve for sure.

[past wind]

it wasn't enough, sure, but I just want more importance for the initial creatures

[rare heart]

Yes

[untold ingot]

The old kibble system better not make a return lol

[mint swan]

I hope is there more of a class it's not based on size but like how they hunt and such

[past wind]

Not saying that 😂

[winged dome]

Less power creep, more side-grades for newer dinos

[past wind]

just using it as an example

[untold ingot]

This is why I don't want auto turrets and battery turrets. As well as nerfs on fliers and removing cryos

[past wind]

give them a role, not necessarily just kibble farming

[past wind]

True, in ark as of now there's no mid game. You just go from beach to tek

[rare heart]

Idk about that but i think it isnt gradual at all sure

[untold ingot]

I want dinos like raptors to even be relevant in endgame lol

[past wind]

that's my point. Raptors, Allos, Ankylos etc

[untold ingot]

I go from start to tek in less than 24 hours solo on 1x settings. Yeah it is that fast

[past wind]

That's fine to have "magmas", but don't kill the old creatures entirely

[winged dome]

Hopefully with 'souls like combat', larger dinos won't be able to bite behind their legs while facing forward - so smaller flanker tames will be viable to some degree

[past wind]

Only the giga does that LOL

And the Carchar I guess

[untold ingot]

I want to be able to make people rage quit with a raptor and cloth pants agaisnt their Rex lol

[lavish rain]

Hopefully we don't have Unga bunga bone clubs and Unga bunga clothing

Stupid caveman stuff

[past wind]

there will be

it's in the last art concept

[untold ingot]

From the announcements we already have Unga bunga clubs lol

[rare heart]

The unga bunga stuff is the funny/fun part of ark 1 tho idk

Early game ark moments are iconic i will admit

[past wind]

And those moments should last longer

But of course, it should be funny. Not just an infinite boring grinding

[rare heart]

The late game and the early game are the best parts yeah

Early game for being funny and not getting into full grind mode

Late-finished game where you are just basically god where ppls lives are in ur hands

But idk late game fun is 50/50 for me

[past wind]

Late game, not so much. At least for me it was just breeding lines and grinding BPs.

Not that I dislike breeding, but it isn't so funny

[rare heart]

Late game pvp was funny for destroying inferior players

Thats about it

[past wind]

Well... not so funny to kill beach bobs

and major attacks are just a lagfest

or trying to connect on full servers

[rare heart]

They had to learn

[past wind]

I never liked that, it's funnier to let them get stronger first

[rare heart]

Meh

Then they have more to lose

[untold ingot]

If you have to kill bobs to enjoy late game pvp you are doing it wrong lol

[rare heart]

Meh

Idk when ur at the relative top i thought it was more enjoyable to troll ppl

[lavish rain]

I know I just don't like Unga bunga stuff

[rare heart]

The pvp for me was ppl telling me what to do to not lose everything

[untold ingot]

I am pretty sure you weren't at the relative top lol

[rare heart]

I was a handful of times but short lived

Never alpha tho which is why i say relative

It was more fun to play it like how it wasnt supposed to be played

[untold ingot]

If you weren't an alpha on your server, you were nowhere near the top lol

[rare heart]

I mean still relatively highb

Like you really have no threats other than the biggest tribes is how far i ever got

[untold ingot]

That's like day 2 or three lol

[rare heart]

Ye

Not the best

Most of it was mostly because irl friends are way harder to play seriously with, felt less like a second job

As long as regular pvp isnt such a chore for the 2nd game itll be, better… i think

[untold ingot]

It probably will be

That is the genre of ark pvp lol

[rare heart]

Official is so ass though

[tropic forge]

damn dude, have you sleep yet since yesterday?

[lavish rain]

Sleep is hard to do

[rare heart]

I got 8 hours of sleep

[lavish rain]

Cool I get like 4 hours every 3 days

[rare heart]

Issue

[lavish rain]

Needing 8 hours everyday is a skill issue

I still want my tek scrap. Component based gun

Imagine component based bullets

[winged dome]

Crumpled up aluminum wads as bullets 😂

[rare heart]

Everyday lol

def not

[lavish rain]

Explosive bullets

Think bigger, millions of combinations

[winged dome]

Yeah, just making a bad joke 😂

Component crafting is probably what I'm most excited for - like you said, millions of combinations and hopefully meaningful stat adjustments based on components

[lavish rain]

I highly doubt there would be millions of combination taht are all completely unique, also, it's basically a guarantee taht people will just find the best combination and just use that, then the system is gg and pointless

[winged dome]

Ideally there will be some situationally superior choices, but a good 'overall' option thats a little behind

[past wind]

Well, at least people will need to explore the map to do the meta

AFAIK the componets will be all around the map

[winged dome]

Also depends on how many customization 'slots' we get per item. Sword and shield seems to have Blade, Hilt, Blade attachment, Shield base, Shield Front, and Shield attachment, maybe more

[past wind]

but it is cofirmed the components will be all over the map

[lavish rain]

Component based comsumables

[past wind]

yeah

[lavish rain]

[past wind]

but like on Atlas, it might be spreaded

[winged dome]

I'm not disagreeing where components will be found, but a single item can only be customized so far

[lavish rain]

And ofcourse, useless components are a fear

But component based consumabl would be a menace to society

[past wind]

Not really, they can release new components with new updates

let's say a sword has 3 slots with 10 different components for each slot = we will have 30 different combinations

but if they release 20 different comp. for each slot = we will have 90 dif. combinations

and so on

also, space drops might bring special components you can't find on the planet

[winged dome]

Right - but I mean for a sword there only like 3 main slots
Blade, hilt, and attachment
What we actually put in those slots can have endless combinations

[past wind]

Yeah, but I don't see the issue here

also, character engrams/skills can be used to change the weapons stats

[winged dome]

Me neither ... there is no issue 🤔

[lavish rain]

Speaking of witch...

I dislike the idea of a skil tree

[past wind]

some people love, some don't. never ending discussion. LOL

But ark doesn't have one. Maybe they will keep it that way.

keeping just stats and engrams

[winged dome]

I'd prefer a skill tree over just flat stat increases, but to each their own

[tropic crag]

Isn't the skill tree confirmed?

[lavish rain]

No

By being crackheads we deconfirmed it

[past wind]

see, it's not common sense LOL

[winged dome]

Skill tree is confirmed, its on the Steam page

[lavish rain]

Stg if they lock the ability to use certain components behind skill tree

[winged dome]

'Gain both experience points from gameplay, and knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges, to progress along a massive skill tree filled with new active abilities, perks, and passive benefits.'

[past wind]

wait a minute, just checked again their post back in june:

characterprogression_sub.png
Gain both experience points from gameplay, and knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges, to progress along a massive skill tree filled with new active abilities, perks, and passive benefits.

[tropic crag]

I hope they do just to spite you

[winged dome]

Jinx, you owe me a clink

[lavish rain]

What would the diffrence between these pints be

Oh well, I'll go study up ths steam page because I'm rusty

[past wind]

no idea, but apparently we will have two point systems. One probably for the stats (HP, Stamina, Weight etc) and Skill tree (taming?, movements?, fighting skills? etc).

[lavish rain]

And I just noticed somthing

It says souls like melee combat

[past wind]

I hope Brazilian Jiu Jitsu will be a thing

Or Muai Thai

[lavish rain]

I also realized just how small the blog is

They are feeding us scraps

[tulip garnet]

Saw a wiki listing for confirmed creatures of "Unnamed plant lizard". Anyone have a pic of it?

[untold ingot]

It's in the first trailer

[fallow niche]

Or just search from me 😂😂😂

@tulip garnet ^^

The mouth opens like a flower, the trailer has that I do not

[south lance]

lizard flytrap

probably alien tbh

[stray elm]

100% alien

Or actually, native in this case

[blissful perch]

The skill tree should absolutely be required in order to use certain components

Lotus do I need to spray you down with anti clown mace again

[vapid panther]

Sounds like you gain levels by doing things and that gives some skill points. But you can also discover skill points.

[winged dome]

My guess is Discoveries will be a separate set of unlocks than standard level ups

[untold ingot]

That is waht I am hoping.

I am hoping player skills like combat or abilities and such comes from experience, while engrams and building comes from exploration and finding key points, or taming key dinos

[winged dome]

I can also see maybe locking some upgrade components behind Discoveries

[vapid panther]

Maybe first time killing boss gives skill points instead of levels. Allows you to develop skills you normally aren't good at or use.

[covert tapir]

as long as discoveries arent hard coded to a place and you have multiple ways/places to discover it

otherwise people will just block it

[lavish rain]

You just might

[vapid panther]

Or make discoveries in no build spots. Or for that matter, most of the map could be no build. Force people to travel more. Didnt do well in gen1 but a bigger map may help that

[drowsy jackal]

Every 10 min. im opening discord hoping to see the roadmap

[split dove]

quit being like that, expect it in a community crunch

[blissful perch]

announcements exists for a reason

[rare heart]

Lizard looks too much like a lizard idk

when i think of alien creatures think of like, evolve

Could be anything tho like 50/50 for me

[lavish rain]

You have an addiction

[lavish rain]

Aliens can be literally anything

[split dove]

man finds a way to complain about everything it seems ☠️

[blissful perch]

you think of...humanoid creatures?

the bulk of evolve's creatures are humanoid

It's not easy to do speculative biology...it's as much art as it is science. Even harder to have someone create something that has no basis in earth's biosphere in terms of body plans

[vapid panther]

Dolphins and elephants are evolved. We just don't understand their culture.

[tropic forge]

🍿

[tropic crag]

Exactly, why would you know how to make a saddle for a creature without at least encountering it, or taming it? That's my thinking on it, at least

[stray elm]

Eh, we kind of do actually.

If I recall right, dolphin culture is kind of similar to early-Neanderthal culture. (without the benefit of fire and such, since.....ocean)

I think there's been cased of dolphins using rocks to crack open oysters?

I know dolphins use pufferfish to get high.

That's a real thing, google it.

[tropic crag]

They are smart, yes. But advanced? Definitely not

[stray elm]

Oh hell nah, they're not advanced.
But that's why I compared them to early-Neanderthals.
They have object-permanents, and that's a BIG step in advancing as a species.

[tropic crag]

Object permanence? Most creatures have that, lol

[vapid panther]

I would argue that we humanize dolphin culture and say we understand. We have no idea what their afterlife is to them. Saying the use of objects make them advanced is defined by our culture.

[stray elm]

Wait, that's not what I was thinking of.
What's the thing called when a species knows something that appears useless, like a rock, can be used for other things, like weapons and tools?

[tropic crag]

But they have intelligence enough to use tools, and have been documented to suffer from mental illnesses like depression and such, so their brains are coming around for sure

[stray elm]

Well, hard to think that they have an afterlife when they probably still don't have that as a concept.

Should probably move on.

Wait, so why where dolphins/elephants originally brought up?

[fallow niche]

Let's not.

[tropic crag]

Either way, I don't see dolphins making it into Ark 2, so yeah

[vapid panther]

Its a good debate for me. Just cause we dont understand doesnt mean it doesn't exist. We even have some theories that evilved beings are not even corporeal... so tools are useless and primitive.
But yeah. Not an Ark 2 debate.... yet. Thats a DLC

[fallow niche]

Absolutely none of that has anything at all to do with anything in ark.

[stray elm]

Anyway.
I hope the Aratai's have their own culture and language and aren't some generic aliens that act just like humans, like every fucking other sci-fi media.

(I'm looking at you star-wars/trek)

What?

[vapid panther]

It would be cool that part of the story is finding out what they value. And then using that to create allies.

[stray elm]

I'd laugh so hard if they're actually naturally more passive then humans are, but just have no self-preservation, hints their sick piercings.

[vapid panther]

One DLC would be the Trail of a Thousand Tears

[stray elm]

Okay, I kind of wanna know why you veggie'd me, Bruise?

Is it not weird to see literal humans that're just green with two floppy tendril thingy's dripping down their heads for hair?
Like, the twi'lek are literally just blue, cream, or green colored humans with floppy tendril things coming down their heads.
Pretty sure an alien would look a bit different then that, even if humanoid.

[vapid panther]

I brought up dolphins and elephants as a rebuttal to evolved creatures must be humanoid. We can continue this debate in 2 years when ark 2 is finally released

[stray elm]

Like.......no?
If a species has a appendage to be able to grasp objects, then that's already a huge key in advancing.
Another species that's smart are octopuses, and they're pretty far from humanoid.

[vapid panther]

Maybe the bad aliens on arat are not the people... but the octopus!

[stray elm]

TRUE!

[tropic crag]

There's plenty of non-humanoid species in both of those series, just because the majority of them are (which, btw, is scientifically because of how carbon-based life is most likely to form/look) does not mean that they're "generic"/"lazy"

[stray elm]

The fucking octo-aliens are brainwashing the Aratai's!

[untold ingot]

Being humanoid is not scientifically the most likely form a carbon based creature is likely to look lol. I dont know if I am misinterpreting what you are saying though

[vapid panther]

We assume arat is carbon/ nitrogen based. Could be Ar based or Si. And that is why humans are taking so long to evolve

[stray elm]

Never said it's lazy, it's practical. Especially in Star-Trek's case where it was low-budget.
I meant 'generic' as in it's overdone. And I feel like newer medias should be more creative with their alien designs then more or less a carbon-copy of a human. (which has been the norm it seems like in recent times)

[vapid panther]

Snakes or worms would be lazy. Super easy to draw and animate.

[stray elm]

I fucking love star-trek.
But I burst out laughing when I see that one episode in the original series that they had a alien canine that was literally a fucking pooch with little-tiny toy antenna's on them. 💀

[vapid panther]

Its gonna be interesting to see how much 'intelligence' they apply to all the animals. They've already said hunting by senses is happening... and others have speculated pack mentalities. It'd be cool to see the aratai start a stampede to destroy your base.

[twilit sky]

A giga gonna chase me down by my smell 😭

Idk how I feel about being hunted

[vapid panther]

Soap is gonna be very important!

[twilit sky]

Omg we will finally get to SHOWER

Somebody said we may have to cover ourself in Rex urine, I am gonna hope for the soap LOL

[blissful perch]

I’m talking about evolve the game

[vapid panther]

New building... bathhouse!

[tulip garnet]

❤️

[twilit sky]

Finally clean our underclothes?! 😂

And fingernails

[vapid panther]

No more burning armor cause it began to smell!

[tulip garnet]

Just do it like the drunk girl on Vine, "I'm washing me and my clothes"

[vapid panther]

Maybe the Romantic hairstyle will make a comeback!

[stray elm]

Hopefully new hairstyles

[mint swan]

#gasbags4ark2

[mint swan]

Evolved gasbags

[blissful perch]

More shoulder pets = more good

[tropic crag]

As long as there's either

1. Actually useful aerial insect tames
2. Reapers (or an equivalent, in both coolness and utility)
   or 3. A slime
   included, I'm game

[past wind]

See... this is what I miss. Low tier creatures being relevant.

[untold ingot]

Hey, Im relevant

[stray elm]

We need a slime in ARK-2.

[past wind]

are you a low tier creature?

[untold ingot]

Maaaybe?

[iron sequoia]

[blissful nest]

Something that ARK 2 should do is having alien lifeforms, but not oversaturating the gameplay with aliens, have it being balanced, like in every 5 dinosaurs there's, also another thing they should make is that the oceans are worth exploring, having more underwater biomes with their own exclusive creatures like idk, Baryonyx just vibes in rapids, or like there is like this passive alien manta in coral reefs.

[blissful nest]

Slime mold for Ark 2?

[stray elm]

Give us slime-mold for ARK-2!

[stray elm]

I think that ratio isn't reasonable for a game set on an alien-planet

[blissful nest]

every 5 dinosaurs

or every 3, but my point does get across,

[blissful nest]

and it could just be that the ARK dino's just whoop ass of some of the population

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer 1:1 or even 1:2 in favor of aliens, but I think that’s just not feasible

[stray elm]

(I don't know, I'd like more aliens then dinosaurs)

[blissful nest]

Or maybe the same ratio

[stray elm]

I can work with 50/50

[blissful nest]

Yo, question, is your pfp a pokemon?

[blissful perch]

Sure is

[blissful nest]

Yeah, that works.

[drowsy jackal]

I was hoping so hard After seeing the ping…

[blissful nest]

Called it.

[blissful perch]

I’m not being sneaky about it lol

[blissful nest]

Imma make a how ARK 2 could be better than ARK 1, might just be my likings or something idk

[blissful perch]

As long as you read the pinned stuff I’m down to read such a thing

[untold ingot]

This would make sense, but that would depend on the timeframe at which the game is set and how they approach it. If the game is set years after the ship crashed and dinos really are invasive and the like then a 1:1 probably wouldn't be that likely.

At least in the immediate region around the ship, and possibly for quite a few miles

[blissful perch]

It really boils down to design time lol

If they have 100 dinos from ark 1 to consider and only 110 slots lol you can imagine that’ll set the ratio more than lore

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that seems pretty likely

[blissful perch]

I just think it would be cool to see the ecological dissonance with a closer to 1:1 ratio

[untold ingot]

Honestly I don't anticipate too many aliens, especially not ones that can combat dinos. But they might surprise me lol

[blissful perch]

I mean if it didn’t already exist a mana could have been an alien

[winged dome]

Pretty much any DLC creatures post-Scorched can be easily considered alien

'cept maybe Snow Owls, aside from frosty shenanigans and infrared vision, they're just thicc owls 😂

[stray elm]

If you mean alien as in 'not native' then yes-ish?

But if you mean extraterrestrial, then no.

[winged dome]

Some of the creatures may have Earthen-like counterparts, but I can definitely see a Gasbags as being an alien creature. Or a Noglin

And its probably pretty reasonable to believe that an Earth-like planet could have some pretty similar evolutionary chains for creatures

[potent hull]

Earthen-like counterparts there a creature that look like bootleg o no the world is dead run lol

[winged dome]

I understood none of that

[stray elm]

Gasbags are literally tartigrades

Noglins where made by Rockwell.

[winged dome]

Yes, I realize this.

But take either o them and say 'Its an alien!' and I wouldn't have any trouble believing that

[stray elm]

Ahhhh

That was your point.

[winged dome]

Mmm

[lime flicker]

Same at this point I’m counting down 😭😭

[blissful perch]

Agree fully with this point

[tropic crag]

As do I

[mint swan]

Anyone else ready to here more and see some gameplay for ark2?

[winged dome]

Soon™️

[mint swan]

Yippee ark2

[rare heart]

I cant wait till december 25th

[mint swan]

Imagine

[pearl cove]

What was not supposed to come out june?

[rare heart]

I doubt it tbh

[wispy sierra]

that's just how death blades talks, you'll get used to it

[lavish rain]

And yall call me the insane one

[short fulcrum]

That's because you are insane

[lime forge]

Do I need to break out the screenshots?

[lavish rain]

Sure

[marble zenith]

“OUR LATEST CONCEPT” that’s confirmed that Ark 2 ain’t nowhere near ready 🤦‍♂️

[worldly garden]

That doesn't necessarily mean the latest one they've made but could be the latest one they've shown. I mean i'm sure it is further back than many think but that is no way a "confirmation" as it is more interpretation of the wording.

[marble zenith]

🤣

[marble zenith]

I’m guessing it’s indeed the latest one they have as it would be absolutely pointless to reveal something that’s already been changed makes no sense, concept usually means that’s the original idea that’s in its initial development stages

[worldly garden]

But that's an assumption that the concept they showed "has" been changed since it was made. Not all concepts will require changes. They have a bunch of concepts ready to reveal every few weeks which is what they've been doing. Those concepts could easily be months old. Again i'm not denying it is likely the game is being pushed back but there's no confirmation in that sentence whatsoever.

[split dove]

i guess we're gonna just flat out ignore that most of what they show is already done in-game? the concepts are just to visualize what it will look like before we get the gameplay. ''So much talent and love for the craft
@survivetheark. The in-game one is even better looking btw'', but i guess we're gonna ignore that bc it's concept art they share before the gameplay.

[marble zenith]

I know wildcard do things a little unconventional but no one is daft enough to release a concept that’s already been changed what would be the point obviously releasing a “latest” concept which would suggest it’s the current one

[worldly garden]

You are still thinking inside that box. "our latest concept" doesn't necessarily mean it is the latest concept they have produced. You need to understand the world of interpretation of wording.

They have shown Ankylo, Brachio, Stego, Carno, and the latest they have shown is the weapon system. These concepts are likely one's they have banked ready to show every few weeks, just like the rest that they will show.

That weapons system concept could be from months ago and hasn't required changes. Doesn't change the fact it is their latest concept they are revealing.

[lime forge]

I know a few Meeks. I wonder if they’re related.

[lime flicker]

Boop

[lime forge]

Beep

[astral token]

Bop

[lime forge]

Hear me out rails 2 fat lines Ark 2 but with magic

[blissful perch]

Nice try but that’s you sober

[lavish rain]

What is it with you and magic

I don't want no magic in my Dino game

Tek scrap ak is all I want

[lavish rain]

Component crafting guns

[lavish rain]

Component based bullet crafting

[rare heart]

Ark is already magic wdym

[south lance]

i dig

i always wanted shaman type bros

[lavish rain]

No shamans

[astral token]

A rat magic

[lime forge]

Shamans for sure in Ark 2

The Aratai are gonna teach us

[past wind]

They can simply explain the “magic” with savaged tech and elements (or something similar)

[rare heart]

With dragons and hulk and goblins that turn into hulks, teleporting fish cats too

[astral token]

Arat has floating terrain of large sizes

There is some magic in the planet

Don’t give me any gravity bs how do u walk then?

[untold ingot]

I am pretty sure any weird explanation will be attributed to element

[rare heart]

Its probably some avatar stuff

Except its not a moon so it doesnt make any sense

[lime forge]

Magic is the most likely answer

[ripe cedar]

But it is

[south lance]

^

arat orbits a massive gas giant

[ripe cedar]

It probably makes no sense regardless

[south lance]

i want my evil blood magic

[lavish rain]

I want to build my tek scrap m4

[south lance]

i wanna be a wizard

sacrifice 20 rexes and a small village to summon an aratai boss

[lavish rain]

I wanna build wonder weapons like ts cod zombies

[south lance]

my wonder weapons are a thing too

they are just aratai demons

[lavish rain]

Go on

[south lance]

go on about what

[lavish rain]

Your blood magic deamons

[lime forge]

Just accept the magic Lotus. It will lead Ark into the future

[lavish rain]

I want Sci fi

[untold ingot]

How about neither?

[lavish rain]

That's the worst option

Raq you belong in a psyc ward

[lime forge]

Magic and science go hand in hand

We can have both

[lavish rain]

Ok I'm listening

[untold ingot]

I feel like magic in games isn't that great though

[rare heart]

Arat is a moon?

[lavish rain]

Yeah and paddy knows how to make it work

[lime forge]

You also don’t like art

[lavish rain]

No?

[lime forge]

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

[rare heart]

Why did ppl say it was a moon

[lavish rain]

Fair, I like Sci fi better

[lime flicker]

||im ganna put the aratai in cages and make them help me build my base, then they can go free afterwards||

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I would say not like, I would say not understand lol

[untold ingot]

I feel like this is a quote from someone famous from a long time ago lol

[desert swallow]

If you don't understand it

[lime forge]

It indeed is

[untold ingot]

I don't really agree with it though lol

[desert swallow]

I do. Off topic here but it's why social media is crazy. Too many people railing against magical things they don't understand and find that threatening and/or come to the conclusion that it must be nefarious.

[untold ingot]

An advanced technology is something that can be understood and replicated.

[desert swallow]

By people who are educated in it

[untold ingot]

Even by those who aren't with enough study

[desert swallow]

You study some form of tech right? I'm guessin comp sci?

[untold ingot]

And physics

[desert swallow]

ok so your mind is wired for it, and you also understand the value of experts

not everyone gets that. Not even close

[lime forge]

Wouldn’t enough study make them educated in it?

[untold ingot]

Magic is typically described as unexplainable, and I don't think anything is unexplainable

[lavish rain]

Being unexplainable is explainable

[desert swallow]

It's magical from the perspective of someone who doesn't understand and will not put in the time to understand it.

[covert tapir]

fantasy and fantasy creatures is a "big" deal of ark but i wouldnt count on magic in ark 2

[lime forge]

You have to agree with my opinion

It’s right

[lavish rain]

I have zero idea how coding works yet I don't scream it's magic

[desert swallow]

My mother and father sure do

[lavish rain]

That's a them problem

[untold ingot]

That doesn't make it indistinguishable from magic

[desert swallow]

I'm just saying, there is truth to the quote and it's not literal magic. It's the perception of magic by the individual

[untold ingot]

There is a key difference from appearing like and being indistinguishable from. And that is the explanation factor

[south lance]

magic is just alternative mechanics that arent trying to obey particle interactions

it allows you to do so much more

[lime forge]

Idk enough about magic to dispute this

I wanna tho

[untold ingot]

I take issue with that one word.

[south lance]

my point is that physics and realism is always limited

magic isnt

and magic can do anything you want while looking cool

[lime forge]

Gimmie a spell book and let me smite my enemies breed lines already

[untold ingot]

It's really not though lol

[south lance]

it is

[desert swallow]

When you see quotes like this, look for metaphors.

[south lance]

it has constraints

inherently