Well, it's more clever to just offer all the options to the players and they decide if they want satured or dull colors
#ark-2
past wind
blissful perch
you can make a game last a long time by either 1.) having seven years of grind content or 2.) have highly replayable content that's engaging
rare heart
Well, it's more clever to just offer all the options to the players and they dec...
lazy you mean
theres better ways of doing mutations for dinosaurs
yippeee i love my baby shit green dire wolf!!!!
past wind
What would you change so it can be replayable and people don't get bored after a year or two
past wind
lazy you mean
I asked you what would you do to make it more fun
and you just want less colors
rare heart
ive already said
past wind
This won't work
rare heart
unsaturating colors does not mean less colors
say if u had the already existing colors?
past wind
unsaturating colors does not mean less colors
That won't work, people like satured colors
rare heart
im talking about those neon, primary colors that make the game look like ass and basically making them more tolerant to look at
past wind
but at least there are all kind of colors
if you don't like it, just breed your line with more dull colors
everybody is happy
rare heart
and instead of having dumb colors you could have genetic skin mutations
IE stuff like albinism, melanism, and more skin patterns on top of the colors
past wind
im talking about those neon, primary colors that make the game look like ass and...
Yeah, I got it. Some people like it
blissful perch
What would you change so it can be replayable and people don't get bored after a...
by gutting mutation stacking and "hard timer" mechanics you certainly start on the good path
past wind
People that don't like those colors can just make their breed line without those colors
blissful perch
events will help too - games are replayable when the experience feels variable each time
rare heart
looks dumb, could be better all im saying, some people just dont know whats best for them all im saying
steep kiln
Hey yall
blissful perch
it is correct that many people don't know what's best for them...but arbitrarily removing color options seems a bit odd
rare heart
im just saying i know a lot of people who wouldnt mind not seeing a neon pink giga on the horizon
past wind
by gutting mutation stacking and "hard timer" mechanics you certainly start on t...
I'm not sure if making the end game harder would make people play more. Legit doubt here
I think constant flow of new content is more efficient
blissful perch
wait what? The end game would be easier to access
in both models the end game is accessible
in mode 1 the end game is where "the game begins" and the difficulty ramps up faster along with the grind/rewards
past wind
wait what? The end game would be *easier* to access
ah ok, you want to gutt "hard timer mechanics"
I've read it wrong
blissful perch
in mode 2 the end game is where people say "oooh time to soft or hard reset" and they get another fun run of being replayable
past wind
in mode 1 the end game is where "the game begins" and the difficulty ramps up fa...
Interesting, might work
but not for 7-8 years
I still think the best approach would be similar to ark 1
every 1-2 years a new "ancension" with new items, creatures etc
untold ingot
I still think the best approach would be similar to ark 1
This is kind of my argument too lol
past wind
in mode 2 the end game is where people say "oooh time to soft or hard reset" and...
I believe constant wipes on officials could help
rare heart
As long as it doesnt lead to another planet im fine with ascension
blissful perch
wiped would be required to create resets on official yes
past wind
not every month, but every two years
past wind
As long as it doesnt lead to another planet im fine with ascension
From my point of view, Arat should be the one and only map
maybe a new moon or something
but they should work on Arat only
iron sequoia
rare heart
Pretty sure they might do an ark one and possible poop out new dinosaur updates until a substantial dlc release
untold ingot
I don't like the idea of wiping officials
rare heart
Like 50/50
past wind
Pretty sure they might do an ark one and possible poop out new dinosaur updates ...
As a mod or new mode, maybe
but not for "Vanilla Ark 2"
it would be odd IMO
rare heart
Would it?
past wind
IMO yes
rare heart
What they did. Finished the environment of the base game and then make a dlc is weird?
blissful perch
i think to be more of a survival game season based wipes would be good
past wind
There's a lot of new stuff to create Arat themed
blissful perch
but again, they should be 2 years or something...so plenty of time to end game if you want to
past wind
i think to be more of a survival game season based wipes would be good
I would be happy with that approach
as long as new content is also a thing
blissful perch
they can make major changes between seasons -> there's your replayability angle
blissful perch
as long as new content is also a thing
all of this presumes DLC content akin to ark 1 is in the works...it's more the model of the gameplay experience
novelty is a short term buzz...and always will be. If you want retention you have to consider what people are opening your game to do
past wind
all of this presumes DLC content akin to ark 1 is in the works...it's more the m...
In that case, I think this would be a good appoach.
rare heart
Im pretty sure there gonna have several content updates before an actual dlc is considered
past wind
novelty is a short term buzz...and always will be. If you want retention you hav...
And they have telemetry to help. Hence why I believe they know better than us what's popular or not.
blissful perch
imo it's kinda irrelevant the name of the content package...could be patches or DLC
rare heart
unless by some miracle the game is already finished when it comes out
blissful perch
And they have telemetry to help. Hence why I believe they know better than us wh...
and market research
past wind
Do you remember when they used to publish what were the most killed and most tamed creatures? 😂
blissful perch
on steam 4.7% of players beat the gamma overseer
just to give a sense of what the average ark player does
rare heart
cause the game is dropped more than it is played xd
very harsh environment for an average person to get into
blissful perch
lots of people I know just never fooled with bosses
past wind
cause the game is dropped more than it is played xd
This again?
blissful perch
breeding things up for them is a huge gatekeeping move
past wind
I can bring you the numbers
rare heart
Like .5% of everyone who ever bought ark still plays it today
past wind
so you will see the numbers are pretty much constant since 2015
blissful perch
steam achievements were actually first created to measure game metrics
to help devs answer "how far does my playerbase get"
rare heart
Not far xd
rare heart
Also the fact its gameplay loop is wacky as hell and a lot of ppl dont play the game properly
blissful perch
about half have tamed a creature
rare heart
What an awesome game!
Tbf i havent done complete note runs on characters in years
Shit is so ass
blissful perch
"properly" defeats the purpose of a sandbox lol
rare heart
Yiss
just too grindy for the average person probably
Dont get me wrong the game sold incredibly well
amazing idea
blissful perch
too grindy, too many settings have to be changed to make SP work...breeding is pure buns
past wind
2015 - 2016 = Average number of players each month
December 2015 32,092.9
November 2015 32,862.4
October 2015 38,020.9
September 2015 35,498.3
August 2015 45,057.0
July 2015 46,764.8
June 2015 42,871.5
December 2016 36,022.8
November 2016 31,316.8
October 2016 32,923.0
September 2016 37,334.8
August 2016 35,210.6
July 2016 39,067.7
June 2016 42,386.9
May 2016 39,182.2
April 2016 35,385.6
March 2016 35,664.0
February 2016 37,747.6
January 2016 39,054.4
blissful perch
I think ark 1 is a fantastic prototype for ark 2
past wind
2017 - 2018
December 2017 46,473.3
November 2017 34,137.8
October 2017 37,636.8
September 2017 43,690.2
August 2017 34,847.2
July 2017 41,812.1
June 2017 47,080.7
May 2017 37,352.3
April 2017 42,206.5
March 2017 41,053.0
February 2017 53,134.7
January 2017 46,440.8
December 2018 42,992.1
November 2018 51,906.1
October 2018 29,337.6
September 2018 28,288.2
August 2018 32,497.4
July 2018 45,060.2
June 2018 41,794.5
May 2018 31,404.3
April 2018 34,418.3
March 2018 38,309.2
February 2018 41,956.0
January 2018 49,018.1
stray elm
Holy wall-text
rare heart
These all look the same and doesnt contradict my main point at all
past wind
Now compare to 2022 - 2023
Last 30 Days 47,355.8
February 2023 49,562.0
January 2023 59,718.1
December 2022 54,575.7
November 2022 47,157.6
October 2022 45,094.3
September 2022 45,744.3
August 2022 56,890.5
July 2022 86,926.8
June 2022 97,224.1
May 2022 44,795.4
April 2022 46,642.8
March 2022 38,219.7
February 2022 50,184.1
January 2022 61,978.7
rare heart
a massive game that sold really well but was never able to keep the playerbase with those sales
because its not that good of a game
past wind
Do you see major changes there? You can check 2018-19-20-21 also
past wind
a massive game that sold really well but was never able to keep the playerbase w...
man, look above
stray elm
Like, to be fair it did double it's playerbase from what it originally had
past wind
the base is pretty much the same
rare heart
No other than society as a whole becoming more home oriented
I wouldnt be surprised if most other big games didnt have the same sort of growth
stray elm
ARK is also in the 21st place of most played games on Steam
past wind
ARK is also in the 21st place of most played games on Steam
After almost 8 years
rare heart
ARK is also in the 21st place of most played games on Steam
because what thats like… 7 -8 years
past wind
and he keeps saying the base is diminishing LOL
south lance
i wonder how much is console players migrating to pc
rare heart
ARK is also in the 21st place of most played games on Steam
Doesnt really count HOW long a person has played the game
stray elm
After almost 8 years
GTA5 is 13th place.
With actually less of a playerbase then ARK had two months ago
blissful perch
ark is a massive success of a game in its own right, of that there's no question
south lance
console ark experience always seemed less spectacular than pc
blissful perch
it's one of the most successful indie games of all time
past wind
GTA5 is 13th place.
With actually less of a playerbase then ARK had two months a...
GTA is on another league, man! LOL
rare heart
True
past wind
Not even rockstar expected those numbers after 10 years
rare heart
A successful game, not a good one
stray elm
Doesnt really count HOW long a person has played the game
Doesn't matter how long someone plays a game for, it matters on how many players are currently active.
blissful perch
A successful game, not a good one
what defines "good"
rare heart
I know
past wind
A successful game, not a good one
With those numbers, how can you say it's not good?
stray elm
GTA is on another league, man! LOL
Eh?
My point was ARK surpassed GTA's current 50k two months ago. Which says a lot about ARK
past wind
people just like play a bad game?
rare heart
Doesn't matter how long someone plays a game for, it matters on how many players...
Doesnt really matter if someone buys it anyways, plays it till the point of no refund, hates it, drops it
Said 90% of eveyrone whose played ark over its lifetime
Made a shit ton of money though
past wind
Eh?
My point was ARK surpassed GTA's current 50k two months ago. Which says a lo...
sure sure, we are saying the same thing, I'm just agreeing with you
south lance
it is hard to find ark players that joined after 2018 at least here
blissful perch
i don't think ark has any more of that than any other game
past wind
Said 90% of eveyrone whose played ark over its lifetime
It's hard because you are finding those numbers in your a** 😂
south lance
given the player trends too
blissful perch
MOST games have a huge chunk of players with low play time
stray elm
Doesnt really matter if someone buys it anyways, plays it till the point of no r...
And if they dropped it, they wouldn't be in the player-count.
south lance
i dont think most games over 5 years old have their bulk playerbase from around launch
this might be more true for complicated sandbox games like ark
so, does this trend hold for rust?
rare heart
what defines "good"
A game thats able to excel above basic gaming standards. Able to make a majority of people like said genre. But all games cannot make everyone love it
blissful perch
oh ark 100% did that then
south lance
^
rare heart
And if they dropped it, they wouldn't be in the player-count.
Player count means nothing when they already have the money???
past wind
And if they dropped it, they wouldn't be in the player-count.
Sony and Microsoft are just burning money on ark (license was renewed both on PS Plus and Game Pass for another 3 years) because they love WC. 😂
south lance
ark and rust are the only relevant games in the sandbox survival genre
blissful perch
there's valid argument that a good game must be polished and have a coherent gameplay loop - and it's fair to say ark lacks that
south lance
minecraft does not count
past wind
there's valid argument that a good game must be polished and have a coherent gam...
true
south lance
rust doesnt have nearly as much content
rare heart
Ark only excels in its concepts
blissful perch
but if the argument is that going above the basic genre and redefining it into a household name people love...ark slam dunked that
south lance
yes, that it has these concepts is its biggest benefit
rare heart
Another game thats like ark… the isle
In terms of its success
south lance
no other game has it
past wind
rust doesnt have nearly as much content
still sold a lot and is up in the concurrent players rank
south lance
isle is far from ark
south lance
still sold a lot and is up in the concurrent players rank
yes because it hit a massive boost in popularity from streamers
past wind
Another game thats like ark… the isle
In terms of its success
it's nothing like ark
rare heart
isle is far from ark
a dinosaur game that captivates a large audience but doesnt live up to expectations
But makes money anyways by feeding off of a new genre
it literally is
blissful perch
the isle is a giga flop compared to ark
stray elm
I do think if there was another game like ARK, then I honestly don't think it would be that successful.
past wind
they both have dinos and that's about it LOL
south lance
dinosaur game is not as specific or as relevant of a category as you imply
rare heart
the isle is a giga flop compared to ark
Yeah but it made shit tons of money!!!
blissful perch
the isle is basically a larp game
south lance
jurassic park is a dinosaur game, the gameplay loop is as far from ark as is physically possible
blissful perch
Yeah but it made shit tons of money!!!
and when I tried it...100 CCU
rare heart
None of you heard what i said
I said isle and ark are virtually the same in terms of success
south lance
money is what everything needs to make
stray elm
No, we can't hear.
We read
blissful perch
i suspect it defined the genre as "don't make another game like the isle"
south lance
isle has like 10% the playerbase lol
untold ingot
The isle never came close to ark in terms of popularity lol
blissful perch
I said isle and ark are virtually the same in terms of success
i am holding X to doubt they had the same fiscal success. Source?
rare heart
dino game > great idea > releases > brand new genre > everyone buys it > drops it > doesnt matter because its already made a lot of money
past wind
I said isle and ark are virtually the same in terms of success
Not at all
rare heart
But yes in terms of functionality and gameplay ark is a better game, duh
And ark is much bigger
rare heart
Its the same financial pattern
past wind
and Ark is present on all platforms
untold ingot
dino game > great idea > releases > brand new genre > everyone buys it > drops i...
I think you are making that up lol, the isle had significantly less sales than ark. I bet ark currently makes as many sales as the isle at peak lol
south lance
i do think ark should have been way more popular tho
rare heart
The isle sold up to 5 millions
30 million
past wind
even on mobile
blissful perch
selling a product for money is a pretty good financial pattern
south lance
i dont understand why not many people irl ever get into this game
tropic forge
there's no comparison whit those 2 games for starts one youre a human the other youre the dino
past wind
30 million
No
Ark
Owner estimations
18.41 M .. 46.03 M on reviews (30-75)
~23.61 M by PlayTracker
~15.72 M by VG Insights
~18.85 M by SteamSpy
rare heart
I think you are making that up lol, the isle had significantly less sales than a...
I never said they make money, only that they made the same business decisions
bro none of you understand
past wind
up to 46 millions
stray elm
Yeah but it made shit tons of money!!!
So from what I can gather, The-Isle has a estimated of 22Mil of what it made.
While ARK currently has 270Mil.
rare heart
Yeah none of you got it
past wind
THe isle:
2.13 M .. 5.49 M on reviews (35-90)
~897.1 k by PlayTracker
~1.33 M by VG Insights
~2.09 M by SteamSpy
blissful perch
you're arguing the financial loop is the same
past wind
they aren't on the same league
blissful perch
which...I'm not sure what other loop you have? People make games to sell them
south lance
dino game > great idea > releases > brand new genre > everyone buys it > drops i...
this isnt relevant as a loop
rare heart
you're arguing the financial loop is the same
Yes
south lance
all games are theoretically just pitching cool ideas and making money off them
untold ingot
I never said they make money, only that they made the same business decisions
of sales of new copies. I bet ark now makes more sales than the isle ever did
south lance
whether that idea is dinosaurs or battle royale or building, doesnt matter
rare heart
# of sales of new copies. I bet ark now makes more sales than the isle ever did
Not talking about sales, same business practices
stray elm
So from what I can gather, The-Isle has a estimated of 22Mil of what it made.
Wh...
@untold ingot
south lance
they are all companies existing in capitalism lol
if you dislike that loop, blame the system
rare heart
all games are theoretically just pitching cool ideas and making money off them
Yes but both games have terrible execution with the same concept
blissful perch
game design is in fact an industry...so again I'm just not sure what the issue is
you sell a game to get sales
south lance
execution is terrible across literally every game that isnt a 5-100 hour single player experience
rare heart
Preying off of ppl who liked that idea
past wind
# of sales of new copies. I bet ark now makes more sales than the isle ever did
Also, If I remember it right Microsoft and Sony are paying some millions to keep the game on their gaming services (game pass and ps plus)
south lance
or fps clone
blissful perch
it's not preying if there's no deceit tho
south lance
literally every unique game has "terrible" execution
past wind
their money flow isn't just the game, but also DLCs and other services
south lance
thats the thing about being unique, its hard to implement
blissful perch
nobody lied with ark's content...it's all there and it all works as advertised (jank and all)
stray elm
Preying off of ppl who liked that idea
That's not at all preying.
rare heart
Yes thats what arks goal was? Initially
blissful perch
the isle is preying off people if they bought it in EA expecting humans that never came
but from my memory ark never really did that
south lance
find 1 game with good devs
stray elm
Yes thats what arks goal was? Initially
It was to get into a trend when people where heavily interested in dinosaurs, since the new Jurassic-World series was coming out.
But that's not 'preying' that's 'marketing'
south lance
that isnt nintendo shit or fps clone
untold ingot
There are ripoff games of the isle that do better than the isle lol
south lance
or story game
past wind
but from my memory ark never really did that
Everything WC promissed on the EA release is there. But they've showcased some stuff that they never delivered, which isn't really promissing.
south lance
thats literally 80% of games in the market rn, they have such simple mechanics its absurd to expect games that do something interesting mechanically to be as reliable as they are
past wind
They actually delivered more than promissed
rare heart
It was to get into a trend when people where heavily interested in dinosaurs, si...
good marketing i agree. The isle released in the same window
They both gained a lot of revenue except had terrible execution
south lance
minecraft has terrible execution at this rate
rare heart
although ark is working itself out of that hole
untold ingot
minecraft has terrible execution at this rate
It has nostalgia and kid friendly, that helps it a lot
stray elm
Minecraft is a......different story.
south lance
if the single best game by sales and in its content and scope is terrible execution the bar for decent execution is way too high
rare heart
or a good game if ur an artist i guess
south lance
youre expecting botw on a game that has multiplayer
blissful perch
minecraft is easily the greatest game made in its generation
past wind
if the single best game by sales and in its content and scope is terrible execut...
That's my whole point here. People think it's a bad game just because they don't like it.
stray elm
My internet went off for a split second, so I had to reset my Discord.
Fun
past wind
I never played Minecraft, but I would be crazy if I said it's a bad game.
rare heart
I have 4 k hours in ark xd, i just think it could be better
south lance
it can
past wind
I have 4 k hours in ark xd, i just think it could be better
Of couse it could/can
south lance
its just that ark is legitimately a special game
past wind
But it doesn't mean it is bad
rare heart
True
rare heart
But it doesn't mean it is bad
Eh….. i will say bad is harsh but theres simply too many issues
south lance
its really hard to find anything like ark, so youre stuck with devs literally creating the genre as they go
stray elm
minecraft is easily the greatest game made in its generation
I agree, and I will never forget my memories with it.
But honestly, the survival-mode is pretty shitty and outdated, while other games have done it better.
south lance
they are only half exaggerating when they say redefining the genre, cause most game devs are scared shitless away from making games like ark
rare heart
The forest
south lance
like 4 games you can list off
past wind
Eh….. i will say bad is harsh but theres simply too many issues
I think people should just try to understand what happened there. Ark is simply too complex. It was never a possibility to fix all the issues.
blissful perch
I agree, and I will never forget my memories with it.
But honestly, the survival...
agree the "survival" experience is no longer the appeal it used to be. But it's been far eclipsed by the possibilities in other areas I'd say
stray elm
The-Forest is a good game, but it doesn't have the same features as ARK does.
south lance
conan, rust, forest ig? havent played it or seen much of it
rare heart
I think people should just try to understand what happened there. Ark is simply ...
It was a rushed game that couldnt be entirely fixed really
blissful perch
the forest is far smaller in scope than ark
past wind
It was a rushed game that couldnt be entirely fixed really
still playable
rare heart
But they accumulated so much money they can do it right + a tv show
blissful perch
conan and rust are the closest ark analogues I've seen
past wind
I can name 10's of games that took years to be developed and also have bugs
south lance
conan died and rust is just fps survival xd
past wind
Cyberpunk being one of them
stray elm
Actually, The-Forest is a great example of a succor to Minecraft's survival. 
If I recall right, the inspiration of the game's survival aspects where inspired by Minecraft.
rare heart
I can name 10's of games that took years to be developed and also have bugs
They have to be like… enjoyable though
skyrim for example
stray elm
Skyrim is a meme.
past wind
They have to be like… enjoyable though
Well, if ark wasn't enjoyable I wouldn't have 14k hours on it
stray elm
Cyberpunk is arguably enjoyable, but the bugs make it hard to play.
past wind
Every game has die hard fans but those dont make the bucks
It's an infinite cycle of BS
rare heart
true
south lance
ark does generally get a lot of dlc money from long running fans
past wind
Never said it was
" Every game has die hard fans but those dont make the bucks
south lance
otherwise dlc model wouldnt work as well, cause i just dont see that many legit new players as compared to people moving platforms
south lance
like everyone on ark mobile transferred to PC
blissful perch
broken dreams? I think it's actually just pieces and ideas thrown in so WC could see what happened
rare heart
It did
south lance
different companies, but the game is basically the same.
rare heart
But not with die hard fans
past wind
selling almost 50 million only on steam?
rare heart
yep
blissful perch
ark has a huge volume of die hard fans...
past wind
being on game pass and PS plus for years?
south lance
im guessing a lot of player rise on steam is migrants from console
past wind
ark has a huge volume of die hard fans...
right? LOL
blissful perch
you can't get 100% retention on a game...that bar is pure lunacy
rare heart
Any big game does, ark couldve been 3 times bigger if it solved itself
stray elm
Okay, can we switch this back to ARK-2 instead of talking about ARK's revenue?
south lance
it should have been 10x bigger but normal people are normal and dont like investing time into noth8ng
rare heart
it should have been 10x bigger but normal people are normal and dont like invest...
Its ark
south lance
rip dreams of bob city on official
past wind
Ark 2 when? Third person only? Where's gameplay and roadmap?
past wind
Will ark 2 have dinos?
split dove
My uncle said yes
south lance
will ark 1 have dinos 🧠
stray elm
Hopefully we get the roadmap this Friday.
south lance
i say no
past wind
My uncle said yes
Can you ask your uncle if Ark two is selling well?
rare heart
30 dinosaurs tops for ark 2
stray elm
I'm going to cry internally if it's on the fucking last day
south lance
same and valid
rare heart
I'm going to cry internally if it's on the fucking last day
It will be
next game awards
past wind
Hopefully we get the roadmap this Friday.
you know what? 03/31 is a friday 😂😂😂
split dove
Can you ask your uncle if Ark two is selling well?
The amount of people already wishlisting it will be promising for sales
stray elm
you know what? 03/31 is a friday 😂😂😂
That's what I said, yes.
Thanks for repeating what I said. 
rare heart
Big game big hype
Will it be good though? Who knows
past wind
The amount of people already wishlisting it will be promising for sales
2 billion copies at least?
or it will be a flop
south lance
ark2 is all i need
stray elm
Aye, if it isn't good. That's a good time for me to move on from ARK, like how I moved on from Fallout 4 and 76.
split dove
2 billion copies at least?
Easily 
rare heart
Aye, if it isn't good. That's a good time for me to move on from ARK, like how I...
Literally why i only care about this franchise and shitting on it
south lance
you need to do what minecraft did
rare heart
if its bad im just done from games alltogether
south lance
get popular with influencers by making community content extremely accessible and user friendly
rare heart
actually no
stray elm
Actually, let me take that back.
I'll stick with ARK-1, since it's getting the UE5 upgrade.
ARK-2 can rot if it's shit.
south lance
arks quality literally goes up if more people play
stray elm
arks quality literally goes up if more people play
That's a skill issue on their end
south lance
?
past wind
Actually, let me take that back.
I'll stick with ARK-1, since it's getting the U...
I hope your game will crash every 5 minutes running on UE5
stray elm
I hope your game will crash every 5 minutes running on UE5
I have a 3060, so I doubt it
past wind
I have a 3060, so I doubt it
Not the gpu, but the engine
south lance
ill get around to completing this game if ark2 doesnt exist
stray elm
Not the gpu, but the engine
UE5 runs just fine
south lance
but itd need to be BAAAAD for me not to go to ark2
past wind
I hope it will be poorly implemented and it will crash constantly
south lance
plus wildcard will basically die if ark2 flops i think
past wind
UE5 runs just fine
Not for Ark 1, it will crash a lot
past wind
We should all move to ark 2
stray elm
Not for Ark 1, it will crash a lot
I'm betting 200$ UD that it'll be fine
stray elm
We should all move to ark 2
Hell no.
south lance
at least as far as unique games go
past wind
I'm betting 200$ UD that it'll be fine
Just trolling, man
rare heart
“Unique game”
Basically caveman elden ring
stray elm
Just trolling, man
Nah, I'm not backing up now.
200$ on the table.
rare heart
which could be good
past wind
“Unique game”
Basically caveman elden ring
But... Ark came first?!
rare heart
Ark 2!!!!
past wind
So it's the other way around I guess
stray elm
@past wind 🔫 Give me the money.
past wind
<@754784045136871544> 🔫 Give me the money.
no, Im poor
rare heart
i dont think elden ring came after ark 2!!!
stray elm
Elden-Ring in fact, did not come out after ARK-2
past wind
i dont think elden ring came after ark 2!!!
Ark 2 is the second interation of ark
stray elm
Ark 2 is the second interation of ark
That has no relations to each other then the barebone basics of the gameplay from the first game, and the story.
south lance
the concepts are the same
past wind
That has no relations to each other then the barebone basics of the gameplay fro...
He said that:
“Unique game”
Basically caveman elden ring
south lance
its the concepts people care about
past wind
I don't get the point
stray elm
He said that:
“Unique game”
Basically caveman elden ring
Yep.
It would be.
south lance
while there will be differing mechanics, ark1 and ark2 have the same hooks
the same reasons people play these sorts of games
rare heart
when a game says “souls like combat” is clearly getting inspiration from, souls like games
stray elm
when a game says “souls like combat” is clearly getting inspiration from, souls ...
Or Conan.
past wind
when a game says “souls like combat” is clearly getting inspiration from, souls ...
Really? 
rare heart
better than now
stray elm
that literally just changes foot pvp
And PvE for the Aratai's.
rare heart
On paper
stray elm
We also don't know if the souls-combat will be intergrated to creature combat
rare heart
i wouldnt be surprised if dinosaur control schemes were also souls like
past wind
pve is braindead in ark1 tho
Bosses are even more shitty
rare heart
even when ridden
south lance
tho yes, making pve threats relevant in ark2 will be significant
rare heart
and world events
past wind
just get 20 capped rexes and let them kill the bosses
south lance
it means bob gameplay is more prevalent and relevant as well
rare heart
and better ai
south lance
and bob gameplay is what people come to ark for
split dove
The new ai will also improve the pve gameplay
rare heart
better traversing
Everything the game needs to be good
south lance
everyone wants to rp as a goofball with a spear avoiding getting eaten by dinosaurs and other players
nobody ever cared about being a superhuman technowizard
rare heart
i honestly think when they say “souls like” your going to be more distracted by pve than pvp
south lance
except people who sold their souls to the game
rare heart
Which is fine
Getting assaulted by dinosaurs and then ppl every now and again ruin ur day
Like souls….
past wind
nobody ever cared about being a superhuman technowizard
That's very true, but at some point we needed more. The Tek Tier release was the first ark concurrent player count went above 100k.
People want new stuff
rare heart
🤮
south lance
yes
south lance
but the new stuff needs to complement what new players are looking for
not make it irrelevant and nonexistent
as it is now on offi
past wind
but the new stuff needs to complement what new players are looking for
apparently people were looking for it
south lance
which is what ark was originally based around
rare heart
not make it irrelevant and nonexistent
Most of arks base game dinos
past wind
at least the new players
rare heart
brachi in itself replaces diplo, bronto, and titano
south lance
i think people just heard that ark was cool again and brought friends
past wind
which is what ark was originally based around
ark was never about the pre-historic period
tek was always there
south lance
thats why 100k didnt stick and it goes back down to a little more than before at like what, 40k?
south lance
ark was never about the pre-historic period
thats lore, not the game advertised
rare heart
Im pretty sure they didnt have a story when it came out xd
past wind
thats why 100k didnt stick and it goes back down to a little more than before at...
100k was the peak. Last year the peak was close to 250k
rare heart
felt like it atleast
south lance
yes but whats average playerbase because peaks are outliers
split dove
100k was the peak. Last year the peak was close to 250k
Fjordur basicly doubled arks player peak on steam
past wind
yes but whats average playerbase because peaks are outliers
Like I've said earlier, player base (average) went up, not down
untold ingot
brachi in itself replaces diplo, bronto, and titano
It better not. I want more than 1 type of sauropod
past wind
Fjordur basicly doubled arks player peak on steam
yeah
rare heart
It better not. I want more than 1 type of sauropod
Id rather have a sauropod that actually works and functions like an animal rather than a mindless drone thats almost useless copy pasted 4 times
south lance
Like I've said earlier, player base (average) went up, not down
it went up by like 10k
past wind
but people keep saying it's dropping
south lance
every 2 years ish
untold ingot
Average is between 40 and 50k over the last 7 years in steam
south lance
its not, at least not steam
past wind
it went up by like 10k
Well, for average concurrent players, that's huge
untold ingot
Id rather have a sauropod that actually works and functions like an animal rathe...
The two aren't mutually exclusive lkl
past wind
there are games from AAA studios that can't hold those numbers
south lance
thats also masked by people switching platforms tho
this isnt all ark sales, this is just steam
steam is the only complete ark experience
past wind
thats also masked by people switching platforms tho
Unless you have numbers to back this assessment, I can't take this into account
south lance
because of its diverse mod and unofficial options
rare heart
And at least giga has a decent chance to be normal sized?
Since the show is being made alone side it and the giga was small in the trailer
Possibly could be good size in ark w???
Brachi just works, the 3 sauropods do not
south lance
Unless you have numbers to back this assessment, I can't take this into account
i only have anecdotes of mobile pvp players moving to steam
rare heart
Amarga is fine, id rather have amarga than bronto or diplo
past wind
I mean, MS and Sony have renewed their licenses with WC. So I would say it's pretty popular on the consoles also
south lance
and a little bit about some console players doing the same
past wind
i only have anecdotes of mobile pvp players moving to steam
mobile is shit
south lance
i mean, its 40-60k last i checked on xbox and ps
past wind
console versions are ok
rare heart
Mobile just further emphasized how much ark makes xd
past wind
switch was shit, but it's way better now
rare heart
mobile games make dumb amounts of money
past wind
mobile games make dumb amounts of money
not ark
past wind
it's not WC tho
south lance
grove street tried to make ark super arcadey and with mtx
rare heart
Oh true
past wind
it's another dev studio
south lance
eventually when poorly thought out transfers hit it all went downhill
especially since it doesnt have the capacity to host enough people
never ending server shutdowns
past wind
never ending server shutdowns
Yeah, that was a real flop
south lance
the game was too small
its a fear i have for ark2, if it doesnt hit it wont have enougu players
and ark pvp without enough players is worthless
rare heart
Isnt that what the game is trying to fix?
It being pvp based it kinda what ruins it
More pve allows for more wiggle room
south lance
i mean yeah if it wasnt pvp based the pve could supplement this or bypass this issue entirely
rare heart
yeah
There will still be pvp no way there wont
I just think the more pve content will keep people entertained for longer
While also making it less toxic
untold ingot
Isnt that what the game is trying to fix?
No, ark2 is not trying to fix pvp by making it pve lol
untold ingot
There will still be pvp no way there wont
I just think the more pve content wil...
Don't count on it lol, pvp is the same the world around, no matter what game you play lol
south lance
toxicity is tthe same
rare heart
I think if they stick to their word and its more pve based the game cant really suffer
well it can if its bad
crimson sonnet
i just found out something about ark 2
rare heart
but on paper sounds more engaging than straighr pvp all the time every day
With the only pass times being breeding and farming
and… i guess mini games but thats farming with extra steps
untold ingot
I think if they stick to their word and its more pve based the game cant really ...
It's not their word saying it is pve based, that is an interpretation people have placed on their words lol
tropic forge
i just found out something about ark 2
did you just watch clickbait youtubers?
crimson sonnet
in extinction there was hexagonal text all over the citty wich u could read with a tek helmet some texst mentioned arat and arat prime / the planet of ark 21
rare heart
It's not their word saying it is pve based, that is an interpretation people hav...
Isnt is literally on their page though?
untold ingot
That there will be pve, yes. Assuming it will be mostly pve is erroneous
untold ingot
in extinction there was hexagonal text all over the citty wich u could read with...
Um, you mean the notes?
crimson sonnet
i was searching the text cause i found out with the tek helmet u can read it but noticed its all gone and found out about that
split dove
I assume it's gonna a be a more healthy 50/50 split. Compared to ark 1's more pvp focused design
crimson sonnet
no i mean literly hexagonal text wich could be decyphered that was floating all over the citty
rare heart
Yeah i think it being more pve is something that holds weight just depending on how much its forced on the player. With pvp being a side product
crimson sonnet
messages like : This is a level 5 alert. Arat Prime have gone silent. and a Priority Communication recieved: Arat Prime is locked down.. and stuff
i mean there is literly a old youtube video named yellow holo banners translation and the arat messages are at about 1:30
untold ingot
Yeah, that is talking about the gen2 space station, not the planet arat
crimson sonnet
oh is that colony ship really called arat prime? funny that we crash on arat then xD
untold ingot
The station they sent it out of yeah I am pretty sure
tropic forge
maybe they name the planet after the ship's name
crimson sonnet
damm i thought i found something cause i translated that stuff in like 2019 and posted pics on my server and now the name ARAT just rings a bell ^^
untold ingot
Yeah, if ext gave clues about ark2, you know there would be a whole discussion on that lol
crimson sonnet
oh wait the ship was searching for a habitable planet but also said at the end we reached our destination.. so it was planned to go there but also searching for more i guess
untold ingot
oh wait the ship was searching for a habitable planet but also said at the end w...
Rockwell hijacked it and made it go there
crimson sonnet
i mean all the text is gone .. not in the game anymore xD
stray elm
oh wait the ship was searching for a habitable planet but also said at the end w...
The point of the ending was that it finally found a habitable world.
crimson sonnet
maybe we just called the planet arat then.. i just found it strange that that name was mentioned once on the extinction holograms
stray elm
maybe we just called the planet arat then.. i just found it strange that that na...
Arat-Prime is the name of the launch-station for the Genesis-ship, and Arat is the planet/moon.
Not uncommon to name something after the thing that helped discover something.
crimson sonnet
yeah probably right well sorry if i mentioned it then but also thanks for that
rare heart
In a realistic scenario shadowmanes could be in ark 2 just because they can be tamed by people. So it would totally be possible for a small population to survive on the untainted ring
and could be on arat
But i highly doubt it
blissful perch
I’d say any argument that says “it can or can’t be on ark 2 because lore” is BS and doesn’t matter
rare heart
I know
blissful perch
Ark 2 lore can, in about 3 seconds, be written to justify any creature WC wants to see
rare heart
Idk i dont think itll be in the game ever
blissful perch
Entirely boils down to what WC wants to see
rare heart
I think the only dlc creatures likely to return could be wyverns
blissful perch
Oh pls no
rare heart
Though i love shadowmanes the best
Because ark does cats dirty and installed a marsupial imposter
That is cool… but lost its charm
And saber is so fucking mid
and again think saber and thyla should switch niches
Making thyla the climber assasin and just make saber the bleeder bruiser
Instead of making thyla do everything
blissful perch
I’d rather see an actual panther/jaguar style cat
south lance
i like wall climbing
rare heart
me too i voted for lion and cheetah
south lance
i dont like bloodstalker mobility
rare heart
But i doubt thatll happen without some cc creature vote nonsense
south lance
too fast for my rig 💀
rare heart
If i had the power of a cc… i may or may not would influence a cat to be picked 💀
blissful perch
Ark needed an insect
rare heart
But did it need a sky giga…
south lance
i wish beetle got picked
blissful perch
So the winner was a good one for sure. But it would be nice to revisit felines
rare heart
I agree an insect works too
blissful perch
Ark 1 balance being borked = surprise?
rare heart
Sky giga? No
blissful perch
I’m down for a sky giga to be hilariously broken and end PvP instantly
potent hull
i say we hand ark 2 over to shifter he will make it better lol
rare heart
Ark 1 balance being borked = surprise?
Its not about that its just terrible game creativity
Bug that does everything
Swims, generates resources, flies, picks up things, big so does decent damage probably
blissful perch
I assume WC is going to appraise that and won’t make it do literally everything
rare heart
Probably
blissful perch
I believe approximately 0 of the cc creatures are 1:1 additions
tropic crag
It was never about the abilities, something people seem to forget rather conveniently
blissful perch
It was never about the abilities, something people seem to forget rather conveni...
And thank god for that…I don’t trust people for diddly to pick abilities intelligently
rare heart
It was never about the abilities, something people seem to forget rather conveni...
Well thats like half of the reason to pick it
All you have to go off of the creature vote is the animal and what is does roughly
big bug that does everything? Appeals to every toddler
tropic crag
That's almost never the way to look at it
rare heart
it is
tropic crag
I can't with this guy any more lmao
blissful perch
People should be voting based on the concept being pitched. They should not be voting based on “how it’ll make me more OP based on the post”
blissful perch
Most vote based on it looking cool
south lance
i think rhygnio looked ugly
rare heart
Its this creature, and might do this? Thats it
south lance
and the beetle concept was way cooler
rare heart
Like thats not even wrong
blissful perch
Most people went buck wild voting for charchar and it’s got basically no difference from a giga
rare heart
yeah
rare heart
Brings “dinosaurs are only for kids” to the table
looks dumb too
charchar is like mid, rhynio absolutely trash
blissful perch
The fact an insect won is a huge sign that the community is interested in something unique
blissful perch
It’s not about you agreeing if it looks cool
blissful perch
The creature won the vote lmao. People NOT you thought it was cool
rare heart
yes but it ultimately paints an image that a good chunk of people, do not agree with
blissful perch
For whatever reason that tickled their fancy, they believed the concept of a diving beetle niche held by an artistic impression of an ancient insect would be the best new addition to ark
rare heart
Kids
I believe game shouldnt hold votes at all for something that changes the landscape of the game so much
blissful perch
I’m confused why kids have anything to do with this. If your playerbase is mostly kids and you ask the playerbase to vote…
rare heart
I know thats partly what i do not like
The fact you can vote in the first place
And it wasnt even something you could do in the game
blissful perch
You don’t want WC to include content voted for by the community?
rare heart
mmmm…. Not dinosaurs no
blissful perch
What would you want to see the community vote for?
Stand back Bruce I need to know
tropic crag
I'm losing braincells reading this chat, have been for roughly the past 4 hours, I'm standing allllllll the way back
rare heart
quality of life changes, Maps, controversial mechanics. Events.
Things that people can agree on easier without causing so much of an issue
And stuff like that can actually be done on seperate sites
blissful perch
You lost me at “easier to agree” and “controversial mechanics”
Those are definitionally opposed concepts
rare heart
stuff thatd actually fix the game
blissful perch
I don’t know how to break it to you, but players have some of the worst understanding of how to fix a game you could ask for
You do NOT ask players to decide how to solve your game design problems. You ask them for feedback and/or testing but that’s it
rare heart
and let the people who make the game decide what characters they put into their game because that is mostly a design choice in its best form
I can agree with that
blissful perch
What characters are to be added is one of the least punishing things to crowd source, because WC still controls the game design
rare heart
Which is why i circle back to. Shouldnt be allowed to community vote at all
blissful perch
I think the community should where it makes sense be able to provide feedback to a developer
south lance
the community is just there to offload brainstorming time
blissful perch
I prefer low stakes votes where the dev can just backtrack if the winner is boaty mc boat face, but the ark ones are pretty dang strong
south lance
plus people like having a say in their games
rare heart
What characters are to be added is one of the least punishing things to crowd so...
Yeah but clearly ark ones in the past are influenced too much by content creators and such
Not charchar and kinda rhynio i can understand that
blissful perch
Some really awful ones I’d kill to never see in ark 2 would include polls about how to buff and nerf…etc
rare heart
Why do it to begin with when some people like that hold so much power?
blissful perch
Yeah but clearly ark ones in the past are influenced too much by content creator...
As I described to Bruce, I see that as completely normative activity to drum up support for something
As long as no bribery takes place, and ideally as long as ranked choice voting persists…let people talk however they want
south lance
beetle losing 3 times got me [REDACTED]
rare heart
Ye
blissful perch
This last batch had some amazing choices tbh
rare heart
Just dont do it at all…. I think the team itself can pick better than any nominee can
blissful perch
Probably the best lot of picks of any of the votes
rare heart
sky giga
blissful perch
Issue not found
south lance
i think the fact that the cheetah got as far as it did kills me when beetle didnt even get 4th in ranked
rare heart
issue was always there
blissful perch
The land giga is pure buns from a design point of view
rare heart
What makes sky giga any better 💀
untold ingot
The fact that it's not even confirmed to be a sky giga lol
blissful perch
An insect alone is more interesting than a scaled up therapod
south lance
^
rare heart
The fact that it's not even confirmed to be a sky giga lol
Just like ark 2 like nothing else to go off of but concept
It only has one label
blissful perch
Especially if it’s the first ark creature capable of diving from the air into the sea…which no other mount can do
south lance
itll be some sort of flying glass canon
rare heart
I doubt it will do that
south lance
which makes its role similar to wyverns but itll have some cool ability
untold ingot
Especially if it’s the first ark creature capable of diving from the air into th...
Other than Astros lol
rare heart
def wont be able to pick up sea creatures
blissful perch
I’d argue astros aren’t really diving so much as floating wherever they want
Stupid space dolphins
south lance
astros are just being stupid
untold ingot
I mean, fair lol
south lance
literally the biggest fuck you to any form of early ark that exists xd
untold ingot
If ark was any other game, (even in ark) I would say Astros are pretty epic lol
It definitely doesn't fit the narrative for ark2 I think
blissful perch
Astros would have worked if the movement didn’t make me want to kms
rare heart
any dlc creature is usually ok at the least
untold ingot
I actually like astro movement lol
south lance
i want movement to be within an order of magnitude of bob sprint
rare heart
better than most playdoh ass base game dinosaurs
blissful perch
Many of the base ark creatures were pretty dang good when released
untold ingot
You mean the 7 year old ones? Well duh they would be lol
blissful perch
Kinda unfair to compare a 2015 creature to a 2022 one tho
verbal wind
the tlc for stego and mammoth was nice
south lance
i want 3 official maps made total with each map being highly modifiable in order to perfect each as a singleton experience instead of needing 20 maps each with like 6 notable features
i think we will see a similar map system as ark1 tho
blissful perch
the tlc for stego and mammoth was nice
I wish TLC had continued for all the base creatures
verbal wind
the rex looked way better after its tlc
rare heart
Sabers was lame
verbal wind
and yeah. i wish the meg got one at least for its model and movement
tropic forge
poor plesi never got their smile fix 😭
verbal wind
mutton chops and its wiggle walk is kinda silly
south lance
ark foundation being more flexible would be so good tho
untold ingot
They probably didn't put the whole team on doing tlc lol
rare heart
None of the sea creatures got 0 love
verbal wind
meg
verbal wind
its tlc made it amazing
south lance
imagine being able to rework maps in days or weeks to add in new content
verbal wind
it got a bleed debuff
rare heart
The shark?
verbal wind
yeah
rare heart
looks like crap?
untold ingot
Sharks are op now lol
south lance
like new building assets
verbal wind
i can take 12 decent megs and pwn moeder alpha
rare heart
good its buffed i guess
Still looks like poopy
south lance
its fat
untold ingot
For an actual megalodon sized creature there would need to be more ocean. (wc pls take hint)
verbal wind
kinda yeah
south lance
no thx
verbal wind
plesi needed serious tlc
south lance
i want more land
verbal wind
it's ugly and it's just a budget mosa
south lance
i would sacrifice most oceans for more land content since they can make decent land content
tropic forge
thats what ppl afraid of ocean says
verbal wind
more kinds of passive fish
south lance
if oceans could be cool and stuff the sure
but i say they cant be unless you do some really interesting stuff
south lance
like, imagine an ocean spawn thats just huge section of the eden ring shattered into bits with broken drop pods being what you spawn from
its mostly shallow, 20-100 ft deep, but as you venture out you see a shelf and it drops to an unknown depth
shallow oceans are based
rare heart
Will they actually do that though
rare heart
Ocean segments of ark maps are the worst shit ever
swim out, tiny shallow part, immediate drop off
south lance
i think the devs can do basically anything they want if the game is built flexibly enough
that being said oceans might be inpossible for them to manage and they might scale back oceans entirely
rare heart
their probably wont be tameable ocean creatures other than animals that live on the surface
south lance
?
rare heart
like…. If its primitive the only thing you could do is hold ur breath
south lance
its an alien planet
rare heart
thats like earth?
rare heart
i… guess
rare heart
Idk if that was a thing it probably would have to be collected and used one at a time idk
tropic forge
well you had that diplo dino for air
tropic forge
well i never met someone that tame one but i did just to see 🤣
rare heart
If there was like a reason for going in the ocean he wouldve been better
like more of a reason
south lance
the thing about going primitive is that its an aesthetic thing and recognition that tek type end game lead to too much power creep imo
rare heart
Sure
south lance
the first thing is more of a given, the latter im pulling out my ass, but i think its reasonable
untold ingot
that being said oceans might be inpossible for them to manage and they might sca...
Gen1 and fjordur be like
rare heart
I just see it hard with a more gritty game for players to be chilling at the bottom of the sea
rare heart
Like honestly the ocean seems like an entire dlc for ark two
If dlcs are based on regions
like possibly have giant maps in diverse regions but the environment is centered around one similarity
IE the base game being focused around tropics
Maybe an ocean one?
Ice maybe
tropic forge
gotta wait to see no other choice really
rare heart
i kind of think that way because the trailers and concepts just look like humid/hot environments
Idk expect anything really that lacks in futuristic tech
untold ingot
So did early trailers for ark 1 lol
rare heart
Yeah but this game is hopefully tied to one planet
tropic forge
well planet as moon/s 🤣
tropic forge
plus they might bring a story that ppl manage to make a teleport back to earth
rare heart
but they did add enviroments over time in ark 1
tropic forge
there's so many ways to go
rare heart
I think the initial map for 2 might be mostly complete because they werent as tied down like the first game
And idk adding new gameplay changing environments like say the ocean seems like a good usage of dlcs
Im find with doing anything
Just no more space halo bullshit
stray elm
Nah, more space-halo bullshit
mint swan
I love space halo dinosaurs survival
rare heart
NOOO9
stray elm
YEAH!!
mint swan
Yeah woo
stray elm
Just gimme primitive + but good
Ew
mint swan
Why not both
stray elm
Exactly
I come to ARK for the progression of going from caveman to high-technology, not just caveman.
If I wanted that, I'd just play Far-Cry: Primal.
rare heart
i wouldnt be surprised if ark 2’s lore is that theyve lost that technology due to the destruction of the ship
And the farthest you get in terms of guns are muzzle loading esc functioning guns
And those guns being more realistic in terms if damage
and being more hard to use
stray elm
There's thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people on board the ship that fell onto the planet.
They preserved these people to help better whatever civilization will come from the ship.
If not one of them know how to make basic weapons beyond a spear, then they've failed in this whole plan.
rare heart
And then later down the line in updates we get like actual guns
stray elm
If they do DLC-based progression, I'd be down for that.
rare heart
Like i dont mind guns but i want them to be harder to obtain
stray elm
That's what tek originally was, before they fucked it up with Extinction.
rare heart
idk im hoping guns are just super hard to get
Since idk makes the entire point of souls combat pointless to integrate
if there something i can get willy nilly
Id like half of it to be you finding damaged firearms and repairing them
stray elm
Since idk makes the entire point of souls combat pointless to integrate
To be fair, there's some powerful bows in Elden-Ring and their power doesn't negate everything else.
rare heart
and further down the line being able to make guns yourself with enough tinkering and skill of finding guns
stray elm
So, hear me out.
It's already confirmed we're getting salvaged-tek as upgrades for weapons/shields with the new concept-art
rare heart
To be fair, there's some powerful bows in Elden-Ring and their power doesn't neg...
Yeah but even though it might function like a souls game it seems more grounded and believable than magic
mint swan
Bloodborne have gun
stray elm
True
With the possible addition of firearms later-down the line. What if they added functioning tek-based components on existing tiers, then have it as its own tier?
Like being able to create a assault-rifle, but replace the led-based bullets with Element-based bullets.
Or a tek-scope instead of a normal holo-scope.
rare heart
Bloodborne have gun
I dont think ark is as whimsical
mint swan
Yes whimsical
rare heart
idk hard for me to imagine using bows or guns like those games if its survival based too
Guns even more so
bows? Yeah probably
stray elm
Well like Surv said, Bloodborne is one.
And the gunplay is from what I've seen pretty good
stray elm
they use every gun like an extended melee weapon more or less
Right.
Wait, so are we talking about the balance, or the general feel/gameplay of firearms in ARK-2 with its souls-like combat?
rare heart
bloodborne guns are as in your face as any other weapon
Is what i mean
so like everything is basically a shotgun as you dance around enemies
im talking about general feel
stray elm
Ahh, okay I have an idea.
rare heart
Ranged weapons other than kind of bows might still function like a third person shooter more or less
Kinda like…deadspace maybe?
horizon
idk
stray elm
So, firearms would be pretty damn OP if autolock was allowed on them.
So gameplay/fell wise, I think it'd be best to have to feel like Gears-of-War without it's covering system. (or maybe with)
rare heart
Yeah that too
stray elm
Or The-Division.
Honestly, there's a lot of third-person shooters they can take inspiration from
rare heart
Ye
stray elm
Red-Dead 2
rare heart
For melee it either leans like a souls game or quite possibly for honor
stray elm
And gunplay could lean more towards Gear-of-War-esc gameplay.
Though, obviously it'd need to be balanced out.
rare heart
Cause souls combat works in the sense of enemy ai and large monsters (like monster hunter)
Its pvp is… ok
For honor mechanics might function better against players. Albeit that game has horrible balancing
stray elm
Bola's already make you 'trip' in ARK. So they could allow it that you drop your equipped item might help that.
You sneak up to someone with a rifle, and you bola them and take their rifle before they could pick it back up.
rare heart
Mmm
If their stationary not really
if its realistic…. Running yeah
But it probably isnt that complex
stray elm
Well, if their stationary, a bow to the head from the bushes would be valid too.
rare heart
Yes
mint swan
How might swimming work I'm guess ranged weapons, running and swimming will be like ark 1 in 3rd person
rare heart
I doubt most weapons would work in water
Theyd atleast have on basic attack in the water
untold ingot
Bola's already make you 'trip' in ARK. So they could allow it that you drop your...
Talk about toxic lol
stray elm
Talk about toxic lol
Welcome to PvP
untold ingot
I mean, that type of mechanic already exists in ark1 with whips lol
It's the most annoying thing ever
stray elm
I mean, that type of mechanic already exists in ark1 with whips lol
Yeeeep.
Just combine the two.
untold ingot
I am in favor of removing both lol
stray elm
It's the most annoying thing ever
Annoying? Yes
Efficient? Yes
mint swan
Mix both
stray elm
I am in favor of removing both lol
Nah, being able to disarm enemies may be annoying when you're on the receiving end, but it's very useful and practical when on the receiver end.
untold ingot
True, but it's really annoying lol
Getting out of lava cave to get swarmed by 27 bobs with cloth and whips is a nightmare lol
stray elm
Oh, very much.
But it's funny when you're whipping everyone else and taking their weapons.
untold ingot
It's only worse when they have clubs and whips in tandem
stray elm
Getting out of lava cave to get swarmed by 27 bobs with cloth and whips is a nig...
Yeah, and with some more thinking, I do think it'd be better if the bola only disarms you with 'heavy' items.
Or maybe have a sling-option for firearms/weapons, but it takes up a important slot you could use for something else.
untold ingot
I think bolas should at most trip, but not immobilize
stray elm
Possibly stop your movement for a second as you trip, and drop any heavy weapons you had in your hand, then being able to pick up your weapon again in the span of maybe 3-4 seconds?
untold ingot
3-4seconds is way too long in a pvp fight
stray elm
2-3
untold ingot
. 25 or. 75
mint swan
Trip you but then a mini game to take it off
stray elm
You have to also take into account of the time it takes to pull back a bows string
untold ingot
Bolas are a problem in ark1, mostly because of lag. It becomes an rng fight with bots getting a lucky throw then an easy kill. It's a pretty dumb mechanic for a pvp game
stray elm
...what?
rare heart
Giga will be rex sized
stray elm
Ew
rare heart
Because the show
stray elm
I want my comically large Giga
rare heart
ew
rare heart
the trailer
stray elm
Trailer for what?
The animated series, or ARK-2?
rare heart
Animate series
stray elm
When was there a giga?
rare heart
Which i hope corresponds to downsizing of the new giga
rare heart
When was there a giga?
It fights the trex
stray elm
Also, the Animated-Series is only half canon
rare heart
it looks like a giga
stray elm
It's a rex
rare heart
I can visibly see its crests
stray elm
Yeah, rexes have those too
rare heart
And has three fingers
tropic crag
Trip you but then a mini game to take it off
I think you mean QTE but yes, that's not a bad idea honestly and would mimic the panic of, well, untangling the bola from your ankles lol
stray elm
That's a rex
tropic crag
That's a rex
It's no use, he's a strange one
rare heart
Its not
stray elm
I think you mean QTE but yes, that's not a bad idea honestly and would mimic the...
Bruise, can I get your input roll quick?
Can you go to the newer Animated series trailer and go to 3:16 and tell me if that's a giga or a rex
rare heart
idk what else it could be
stray elm
A rex
rare heart
three fingies
stray elm
Semi-canon
rare heart
but theres a rex next to it that has 2 fingers
stray elm
That's a Yuty
stray elm
That's a rex
stray elm
idk really just looks like an indominus rex
It does NOT look like the fucking indo-rex
Way too fat to be the indo-rex
stray elm
Indominus-rex is also a original Universal creature.
Wildcard wouldn't have the license to it.
rare heart
Quills
stray elm
It's white cause it's feathers
rare heart
Not saying it is an i rex but it looks like it
tropic crag
The dino on the right of the bridge is a yuty, y'all are both wrong lmao
stray elm
The dino on the right of the bridge is a yuty, y'all are both wrong lmao
We're talking about both
rare heart
you actually think i am genuinely Considering it being an i rex
stray elm
I'm saying the one of the left is a rex, and the one on the right is a yuty
tropic crag
Yeah, that's correct
stray elm
Fuck it, two against one.
It's a rex vs a yuty.
Moving on
rare heart
Looks so weird though with no feathers
stray elm
It does have feathers
rare heart
on its head thats it
lime forge
For sure an indom Rex
stray elm
They're not going to draw every single feather on it, since it's an 'animation'
rare heart
Uh no shit
tropic crag
Again, ignore like pretty much everything this guy says @stray elm
stray elm
Again, ignore like pretty much everything this guy says <@320344899415310337>
I have an issue of wanting to prove others wrong for my own ego, so it's hard.
rare heart
This man says nothing else but just shitting on me
untold ingot
Is this still going on lol
lime forge
This man says nothing else but just shitting on me
He do be like that
stray elm
Is this still going on lol
Raq, I want your input on this.
Can I dm you?
tropic crag
He's a contrarian article of women's hygiene, you won't be able to prove anything to him
untold ingot
Raq, I want your input on this.
Can I dm you?
Sure
rare heart
You have said nothing useful this whole time
Idc if other people object my points but you just came in with nothing to act that way
this is literally the whole point of this channel is to debate and come up with ideas/speculate
stray elm
Yeah, for ARK-2
rare heart
Everything ive said pertained to ark 2 in some fashion
stray elm
If you wanted to talk speculative for the animated series, then #ark-animated-series exists
tropic crag
I've been here reading your trash takes for the past 6 hours, get real
untold ingot
Does the left guy look like a rex, and the right a yuty?
I mean, it has feathers, and I really doubt they wod put a Dino that is not in game into the show in a major role, so it has to be a yuti
tropic crag
I have just as much reason to be here as you do
rare heart
i only brought the animated series up because idk i thought it could be a revamped giga that represents it in the new game
stray elm
It has a crest that both Rexes and giga's have.
The fingers don't matter since it's an artistical difference.
It's too chonky to be a allo, and it's body is too compacted to be the length of a giga.
rare heart
I have just as much reason to be here as you do
Yeah but id love to hear your input big man
tropic crag
I've already said all there is to say, scroll up. Don't be lazy
There's literally almost nothing left to debate, ask anyone else here
rare heart
You just were being a shitter when the chat died wdym
tropic crag
Not that you saying to remove colors for mutating that every other person here likes is a debate, but I digress
I'm talking months, bud
Been here debating everything under the sun for like the past year almost LMAO
rare heart
Yeah cause i can have share my opinions on what i think would be a better option for THIS game
Everything ive said pertained to this game and it correcting its mistakes with the first game
tropic crag
Simply removing things because you don't like them and have no evidence it would make the game better isn't a valid opinion lol
rare heart
But its deagged along because theres nothing better to do with this chat
tropic crag
So why message?
rare heart
Simply removing things because you don't like them and have no evidence it would...
Bro i never said remove it
your just bringing up random shit to fit into your narrative
tropic crag
You literally just admitted there's nothing to do in here
untold ingot
I am just baffled this argument is still going on lol
rare heart
No I said theres nothing else to do but conceptualize a game and debate here
which is the only reason im here because i want to talk about making a good game
untold ingot
Youre not debating though, you are expressing ideas that have been talked into the ground and not listening to anyone else lol
tropic crag
Again, removing features is hardly making a good game, lmao
opal jolt
well lets be fair guys this game will not do well if it has the same issues as ark one with all the cheaters
rare heart
Again, removing features is hardly making a good game, lmao
You didnt read all of that part then
silver shuttle
I am just baffled this argument is still going on lol
I wanted to respond with that one Community gif, but the bot wouldn't let me. 😦
tropic crag
well lets be fair guys this game will not do well if it has the same issues as a...
Oh for sure, better anti cheat has been mentioned hundreds of times here and better happen or the game will crash hard once UE5 gets cracked
tropic crag
I wanted to respond with that one Community gif, but the bot wouldn't let me. 😦
I know which one you mean, lol
rare heart
Youre not debating though, you are expressing ideas that have been talked into t...
Yeah cause i dont sit in here everyday being an ark stan? I have better things to do and when i get bored i chat on random things
You expect me to know everything ever said here? And percieve to talk with me about it for the entire day?
lime forge
Yes.
rare heart
Trve
astral token
What’s the topic?
untold ingot
I don't know anymore lol
tropic crag
If you have a take to propose, look up the keywords in the search function (I know what you're going to say, "discord has a search function?" Yes.) and see where it went the last 500 times it was likely brought up
untold ingot
Yeah cause i dont sit in here everyday being an ark stan? I have better things t...
Have a debate, not an argument lol
rare heart
Literally have been this whole time except im the enemy because i have different takes
and also idek how you tell a debate from an argument when its text only
untold ingot
Back your talking points with facts, not fictions, and if there are not facts, be reasonable when people disagree
lime forge
Literally have been this whole time except im the enemy because i have different...
That’s not allowed here. You gotta agree with pikmin and spartan
tropic crag
Several times, I saw bull "facts", like "90% of people hate this", etc etc.
rare heart
I agree on that on certain things but when you talk about the concept of a game you literally cannot do anything but speculate
untold ingot
Speculation is fine, but don't assume the community just because you don't like something lol
rare heart
I feel like i had a farily well grasp with my 4k hours somewhat, wrong or not idk
But my takes in the quality of the 1st game still stand. I criticize it heavily because in a general gaming sense its mid
And its best to take what was wrong with the first game and fix it no? If something doesnt work dont do it
I dont understand why bringing up Flaws is irrelevant when speculating the upgrade
oh but i didnt know they were already talked about! I can Search it!! Tbf im too casual