ark-2

[tropic crag]

🙄

Get a better joke

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 or else

[split dove]

surprised we haven't seen a ''it's march, now where is the roadmap'' yet

[tropic crag]

Oh just you wait

[unborn galleon]

No joke said

Am a time traveler

[untold ingot]

I want to say you have made that joke like 5 times before lol

[unborn galleon]

🤣xd

[winged dome]

It's march, now where is the roadmap

[unborn galleon]

Ya Zena where da damn road map at

[winged dome]

In transit, ETA 1-30 days

[south lance]

wildcard has THIRTY days before shit HITS the FAN

yall devs BETTER post stuff NOW

or else ima make SURE that the FAN is STAINEDDD

[tropic crag]

Who is out here, setting up a booby trap, with shit as the counterweight? That's what I wanna know

[south lance]

[tropic crag]

And why is a fan the platform for this trap

Seems rather impractical

[south lance]

it blows the smell around

ill use the MIT fan to make sure the smell is spread with maximum efficiency

[winged dome]

It's actually a multi-layered Rube Goldberg machine involving no less than 4 starving hamsters and a baby grand piano

[tropic crag]

Ah, ok

Wait

[south lance]

im starving the hamsters until the post drops

if they die its wildcards fault

[tropic crag]

What are the hamsters doing there

Oh god

[south lance]

i have their gravestones engraved already

[winged dome]

They're there to lift the baby grand piano

[tropic crag]

Whew, ok

I was worried

[lavish rain]

It's March give me roadmap or I call lawyer

[winged dome]

Tried to use a full sized grand piano, but the hamsters complained. Not due to the weight, but the size of it. Hard to manage a large object with just four hamsters

[south lance]

skill issue

admitted L

[tropic crag]

They have rights, you know

[winged dome]

Trying their best

[tropic crag]

Those superhamsters

[south lance]

too much talk about hamster rights, what about hamster wrongs

[winged dome]

Hmm, well I was bitten by a hamster when I was young - still have a noticeable chunk out of my thumb even today

Not sure I can fault the little fella though

[untold totem]

If I don't hear Ankies singing like a bird or Dunkles getting chonkier

I ain't buying

[winged dome]

Dunks already pretty chonk though, you want more?

[untold totem]

Recent studies that dunks are shorter than expected

So yes MORE CHONKLE

[past wind]

Ark is more influenced by Jurassic Park than real studies

And that’s not a bad thing

[merry swan]

hi i'm new on the discord, i'm french and i have a little question: will ark 2 have an ultimate survivor edition?

[winged dome]

We don't know

[merry swan]

OK thanks

[past wind]

I believe it will have eventually. But it will take years for that to happen.

Probably it starts with base game only. Then they will release the first dlc and some kind of season pass. After some DLCs are released, they will probably start selling special editions.

[winged dome]

Seems likely

[untold totem]

Fluffy rex in the trailer says hi

Fluffier raptors said hi

[lavish rain]

It was ark 1

[untold totem]

I am talking about ARK 2

[prisma pike]

"fluffy" More like it has a few quills if anything

[untold totem]

That's the dein

[stray elm]

Yeah, that rex wasn't that fluffy

[untold totem]

Not yuti fluffy but it has feathers

[winged dome]

YutyFeatherGlitch.jpg

[split dove]

anyone else remember the yuty in devkit with fluffy feather overload pic?

[winged dome]

That's what I'm referencing 😂

[potent hull]

i get the feeling we will see the rd map in the middle of this month

[lavish rain]

It's March drop roadmap or I call lawyer

[desert swallow]

Secret to good AI in 3D is to break it down to 2D where you can.

[blissful perch]

The true issue is actually making the AI bad enough to be a person

Since a perfect ai in a shooter is extremely easy…it can always shoot 100% if it wants to. What’s hard is getting it to shoot 100% when a human would shoot 100% and worse when a human would shoot worse. It’s tough to mimic the failings or strengths of a human

[lavish rain]

+5 sigma already

[south lance]

pretrain it and export the NN to be used in the npc

[desert swallow]

randomness and varying skill levels of npcs, can also reduce those values when injured or being shot at (mimic under pressure)

[blissful perch]

Right but a linear reduction isn’t exactly human

Especially if twitch aim has anything to do with it…and ofc how do you manage “lucky” AI moments in a shooter or survival game? Luck not in the RNG sense but in the “player who normally sucks gets a headshot or clutches a key moment”

[desert swallow]

AI is a very broad topic, and an exact algorithm would take a very long time to work through. Improvements are constantly being made.

[south lance]

just train the AI on player data from specific skill levels

have it try to emulate the same sort of hits, misses, positioning a player for given skill is at

training would take fucking ages but youd have what is basically a player npc

i dont know how exactly youd train this in a timely manner because you couldnt tell if it needs to change its connections without playing a stupid number of games and collecting a bunch of metrics

[untold totem]

ah yes, make everything like Dark Link... but worse

[short fulcrum]

Can't Wait for wildcard to reveal the the ark 2 bob concept art

[mint swan]

when

[daring dome]

You all better not just make this an Xbox exclusive

[split dove]

PC and Xbox series x/s launch exclusive. It will likely come to Playstation down the line. mainly due to 1) Xbox has a limited timed exclusive deal with Wildcard and 2) Playstation only allows early access games up to a specific period of time, wich Wildcard probably doesn't know how long it will take Ark 2 to get out of early access. it will be a timed exclusive that will come to playstation as well, unlike most playstation exclusives wich almost never go to a different console.

[gusty ermine]

Any news?

[split dove]

there might be a lot of news with the roadmap that should be shown this month

[gusty ermine]

You think possible a release date or content for ark 2?

[tropic crag]

It's almost guaranteed we'll see something for Ark 2, seeing as how it states "across the entire franchise" in the announcement

[split dove]

i'm thinking mostly a date for gameplay and more teasers, and maybe a timeframe for the release

[sturdy sinew]

When is this announcement going to happen? On the roadmap

[split dove]

this month

[fallow niche]

Sometime this month is the only information we have regarding the roadmap.

[sturdy sinew]

Ah ty

[winged dome]

🍻

[winged dome]

🍻

[split dove]

''you can't do this to us, it's what we always do to you'' more Sony crying, just like the activision aquisition. even tho Xbox offerd them a longer contract those morons said ''no, we don't want something more favorable for us''

[untold ingot]

Tbh, if Sony allowed all games to be cross-platform, they would probably run out of buisness

[blissful perch]

Sony sells other stuff lol

[tropic crag]

They really wouldn't, lmao

[blissful perch]

The PlayStation should probably be sunsetting, but Sony has not invested everything into gaming…it’s a broader media firm

[tropic crag]

You don't see Microsoft going out of business, promoting PC gaming and porting things to Nintendo

[rapid goblet]

Sony was another issue with cross platform on another game I play. they finally gave in but what platform someone is on has to be hidden.

[red panther]

wildcard is giving me telltale vibes rn

they are trying to do way too much they arent even that big of a company

[tropic crag]

Wow, I knew they were petty, but damn

[blissful perch]

…you think ark 2 is too big on ambition? The whole of ark 1 was huge on ambition

That’s why so much of it is buggy and imbalanced…it was too big for WC to pull of cleanly

[red panther]

not only ark 2, they are still trying to make something out of ark 1, they just brought sotf to xbox, they are working on an animation series

[lavish rain]

Ark1 kind of like defined survival genre and stuff

@untold ingot we can fix you

[red panther]

yeah, and now they are trying to do even more

they got brilliant ideas but they need to get bigger to accomplish those goals man

[blissful perch]

It’s called growth yes. Although the animated series likely uses entirely different staff and resources from the game

[red panther]

unless they already are big as hell and we somehow dont know

[red panther]

its still money that couldve gone to ark 2

[blissful perch]

Maybe? Depends a lot on what the investments were for

It’s quite plausible they got a contract or deal to make an animated series by a studio with no interest for funding a game

[red panther]

could be

i just hope that we dont get another buggy ass game

[blissful perch]

A valid concern for sure

I’m suspecting it’ll be buggy tho…the question is how buggy and how imbalanced rather than if

[lavish rain]

The game will be broken

[untold ingot]

Lol what?

[lavish rain]

Ever since you left us you've had an increase of L takes

[tropic crag]

I mean, yeah. It's going to be early access, buggy is a given

[untold ingot]

I never left?

[tropic crag]

But that's why they're doing early access again

[rapid goblet]

All games are broken. it's how much a company is willing to work to fix it

[tropic crag]

(And also so that we can play it and shut the whiners up that beg for the game to come out every day, but I digress 😅 )

[blissful perch]

Pong wasn’t broken

But the rapid rise in complexity and decrease in patience for new releases means broken is what people WANT in order to see more content sooner

[tropic crag]

The precedent that all games are broken on release is sad and I want to see it die

[blissful perch]

The classic polish - content - time triangle if you will

[rapid goblet]

I won't buy anything from Bethesda until it has been fixed by the community.

[lavish rain]

Don't buy anything form Bethesda period

[rapid goblet]

But skyrim....

[blissful perch]

So you chose polish and content at the expense of time. Which is valid! But the general market seems to really prefer content and time at the expense of polish

[lavish rain]

I have ideas. I'll make somthing happen

[rapid goblet]

At the same time I have thousands of hours invested in Warframe which being a GaoS (game as a service) always has bugs as they add content how ever the devs do what they can to fix them

[tropic crag]

Their situation is unique, they make bigger game worlds than anyone else out there and there's a lot of moving parts that they don't see in motion until the game is in the player's hands. Most game devs saw that though and thought "oh, their game is buggy on release (albeit for a completely valid reason) so mine can be too!" and that's just sad

[lavish rain]

Let's make shit happen and find out

[blissful perch]

Well it’s also that people want and/or accept games in that state

[red panther]

obsidian > bethesda

[blissful perch]

People’s tolerance for bugs has gone way up because games have become more complex and people want novelty more than they care about polish

If you wait that extra year to get X to market polished someone else may just snag it. Or the trend you’re trying to be a part of passes you by

[lavish rain]

I want to buy my way to the ark 2 info

[red panther]

we shouldve gotten a gameplay months ago

[blissful perch]

Disagree - we could have but there’s no “should”

[lime forge]

Bethesda is GOAT

[red panther]

either the game is coming 2024 at best or they are doing it hi fi rush style

[rapid goblet]

I just started with Ark, I've got way more shit to do still (like successfully raise some Wyvrens

[lavish rain]

No

[blissful perch]

We have 9 months of 2023. That’s an awful lot of time

[red panther]

not for what they promised

[lime forge]

I’ll pour flour in your stash

[red panther]

obsidian is but not bethesda

[lavish rain]

You aren't man enough

[blissful perch]

They promised a trailer a road map and an early access launch. Pretty possible in 9 months

Certain? Ofc not. But certainly possible

[red panther]

oh yeah its going to be early acces

it could be possible then yeah

[violet trail]

Pc early access and xbox?

[blissful perch]

Make an ark 1 bucket list! I know my last item is beating the alpha king titan

[lavish rain]

It better be tommorow or

[split dove]

yeah

[violet trail]

I might as well get a xbox now

[rapid goblet]

I haven't even gotten to the bosses yet

[lime forge]

It’ll be on the 10th

[lavish rain]

🔫

[rapid goblet]

PCMR...

I gave up on consoles when I saw stuff going on sale on steam etc that were way cheaper than anything I could get on XBox or Sony.

[tropic crag]

Yep. As a wise man once said, "Democracy is... Government, for the people, by the people, of the people. But, the people are (sub-optimal in the brain department)"

[lavish rain]

Favorite quote ever

[tropic crag]

I can't say retreded here, so

[blissful perch]

It’s only bad if you want otherwise

I kinda loved the dawn of early access and indie gaming

[lavish rain]

Gaming

[tropic crag]

Same here, early access is a godsend

As is indie gaming

[rapid goblet]

2016... built a budget gaming rig that was better than the consoles with a hand me down GPU (gtx760). every game I had on the PS3 (my last console) ran way better on the $400 gaming PC i built.

[blissful perch]

I gave up on consoles when I shifted to nearly exclusively playing indie titles. And until recently that was impossible off PC

[lavish rain]

No more gaming

[blissful perch]

Wrong chat for that comment. But I have slowly stopped playing time sink games

[lavish rain]

Play them again

[blissful perch]

Why? I don’t have the time to sink and I lack the desire to sink the time

[lavish rain]

[blissful perch]

If I’m having fun playing a game, that’s a use of time

If I feel like I’m playing a chore simulator so “I can have fun later” in a game? Time to put it to rest

[lavish rain]

How did you every get into ark

[blissful perch]

I lacked such principles in 2015

[hard aspen]

Ark III

[blissful perch]

Ark 3 will be on PC when ark 2 drops on PS

[hard aspen]

ARK 3 will come out when gta 6 comes out

[untold ingot]

I enjoy ark because it is a very social game that has a great degree of freedom around playstyle

[blissful perch]

My enjoyment from ark is figuring out how to get out of a jam and working with the wildlife

If an ark game made most creatures near invincible to players and forced us to scavenge while respecting large creatures I’d be in love

[untold ingot]

I used to like that, but then I got thousands of hours in the game and I don't usually have issues like that anymore lol

[untold ingot]

I am hoping rexes are like that in ark2

[blissful perch]

Soft banning myself from using high level weapons and armor helps. Same with not using mutated tames

But ark 1 also has really simplistic movement and too many creatures per area

[untold ingot]

Tbh, that doesn't really help. With some basic prep literally any fight against a wild Dino can be won or avoided

[blissful perch]

Yea the fun part is when you lack the prep

Getting out of disadvantage and back into advantage is satisfying

[untold ingot]

I want the movement to be similar to Conan, because that game has great movement, if the rest of it is a bit shallow

[blissful perch]

Was the traversal movement good? Or just combat

[untold ingot]

Both, it wasnt fast which is a huge plus

[lavish rain]

My enjoyment was interacting with other players and negotiating for stuff

[south lance]

this is the goal of any game designer i think

[blissful perch]

not all games do this

[south lance]

mayhe creative games dont

[blissful perch]

many games focus on creativity or expressiveness or exploration or even optimization

[south lance]

i think any real game (you can die) wants players to encounter challenge (disadvantage) and overcome it

[untold ingot]

Rocket league be like

[south lance]

hopefully ark doesnt use quantity as a substitute for quality in terms of challenges

[blissful perch]

quantity is itself a challenge...lots of great horde games out there

[south lance]

thats ideally what advanced creature AI will force into the game

the issue is when that quantity exploited creatively

[blissful perch]

the issue is when the environment and scenario are so simple that it becomes robotically repetitive

[south lance]

so like, killing 400 dinos and 4 dinos is the exact same atk spam

especially cause of bite AOE

there shouldve been emergent behaviors and abilities from swarms

besides like, lag and screwing up movement

we had pack bonuses as a small experimentation with the idea

pack usage of dinos usually sucks cause of dino ai

so that could be an avenue ark2 explores

the whole complex pack behavior people here want

[blissful perch]

You’re asking for a performance heavy game to have emergent AI?

I do think pack behavior would be cool and possible though…you could have pack members “know” where they are and coordinate to a degree

[south lance]

not quite that

well

maybe, theres a lot of ways you can implement emergent behavior

even with just a bunch of numbers and stat+rng based behaviors

[winged dome]

🍻

[lavish rain]

What kind of alcohol shouldi bring

[potent hull]

ale Viking alcohol will be good if they add in to ark 2

[lavish rain]

Alright

[drowsy hamlet]

Ark2 be finally done yes?

[swift hinge]

No

[drowsy hamlet]

I'm expecting it to come in 2025

[stray elm]

Yeah, totally.
Buy it on Steam

[winged dome]

🍻

[drowsy jackal]

Is there a date for realese?

[split dove]

atm just 2023, we might know a more specific date with the roadmap coming this month

[ocean tendon]

i want dilo to be scaled up to allo size and shoot spit projectiles like a velo

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

For the first time in a while I used the general chat…because I sense this tweet is asking for a recruitment from ark 1 to ark 2

[lime flicker]

What Dino did you put ?

[blissful perch]

Featherlight

[drowsy jackal]

I hope the dinos are more Realistic. For example an raptor with feathers and Stuff like that

[lavish rain]

I chose drakes, my favorite dino

[split dove]

Then you've clearly not looked at promotional stuff. creatures are more accurate, but with a added ark evolution spin. Raptors will have a lot more feathers

[blissful perch]

Well we do have visual of the actual ark 2 raptor if that’s your question

[verbal wind]

the pteras already seem more realistic, with rounded wingtips

[drowsy jackal]

[astral token]

I put manes and Thylas on discord no idea about twitter

Who even uses that dumpster fire of a platform

[potent hull]

i no ho uses it rich people lol

[astral token]

Kekw

[desert swallow]

Raptors will have opposable thumbs and have the ability to climb trees and use swords/spears/bows

[lean fog]

When ist comin Ark 2

[lunar finch]

We donno yet.

[pale zephyr]

[rocky hearth]

Anyone else worried about ark 2 only being third person, and who else is worried about the dark souls like combat

[worldly garden]

I'm not worrying myself until I see gameplay. No point in worrying about something that may not be worth worrying about. For all we know they could have reversed their decision on 3rd person.

[verbal wind]

conan exiles does fairly well with a kinda souls like combat and 3rd person

[short fulcrum]

Ask @winged dome

[short fulcrum]

The ark 2 raptors will also have ascendant fab snipers and aim bot

[split dove]

Idk, I highly doubt they would rebuild the game to work with first person aswell atm. it's mainly people that hate TPO in general without visual footage of it yet that want first person back. Even though we all know Wildcard themselves said we could add first person with mods. Wich I take as them sticking with TPO and giving people the option of first person with mods, even console users.

[worldly garden]

Yeah but I just wouldn't rule out the possibility. With no explanation as to why we've seen no gameplay and heard nothing about development or timelines that always creates a possibility. Probably unlikely, but who knows what's going on behind closed doors.

[mint swan]

Just relax,breath,do some yoga and everything will be just fine 🫶

[stray elm]

I'm no game designer. But If Dying-Light can do souls-like combat in first-person, then I think Wildcard also can if they put the time and resources into it.

(issue is: Is it really worth it?)

To me.....'yes'
But I can't say about how they feel about it internally

First-person already has different animations then third-person does in ARK-1. (I think it's honestly the third and first person default templates combined)
So in theory, they don't need to have full on rolling animations in the first-person mode of ARK-2. (if they did add it in theory) they could replace it with Dying-Light's backward strafing, ending the animation/movements at the exact same coordinates as the third-person rolling animation does.

[ionic meteor]

I don't have any problem with TPO at all so long as they make the camera adjustable and make the animations fluid and more dynamic.

[split dove]

my biggest gripe with ark 1 player TPO was the camera and the uhm well ''animations''. but let's be honest, a small portion of mostly early Ark 1 player animations weren't that great in third person and first person 😅.
the animations should hopefully be better for third person in Ark 2

[stray elm]

Nah, the first-person animations have always been pretty solid. More so in later DLC's

[split dove]

yh, the whole animation team got a lot better over the years. basicly every part besides maybe moderation got a lot better as time went on.

[stray elm]

Weeeellll
The third person animations are still shit.

The drum for the minigun doesn't even get removed, unlike the assault rifle's magazine.

[split dove]

let's hope that's fixed with Ark 2 being focused with third person, compared to ark 1's more player first person animation focus 😅

[split dove]

go go magic gadget gun

[ionic meteor]

With the new 'traversal mechanics' we shouldn't worry about the animations being the same as it is in ARK 1, or should we? We still don't know.

I'm pretty sure the gameplay trailer will definitely reveal that first it has to.

[split dove]

i would hope they are better in third person focused animations 😅

[split dove]

let's hope the roadmap has a date/timeframe for the gameplay and maybe release as well

[ionic meteor]

Given how frequently wildcard has decided to give us concept art building towards a gameplay trailer it looks like we won't see the gameplay trailer for a good two months or more, release date of ARK 2 might be given in a quarter like Q3 or even just H2.

[tropic forge]

almost certain a lot will be TBA 🤣

[blissful perch]

I think first person won’t work the same way first person elden ring won’t work…not sure what can really be done to change that

[ionic meteor]

A lot of people don't understand that first-person on a game with fluid charcater movements don't work well together, take for example when GTA V had first person added it required the character to be more 'stable' which would be quite a hassle to work seprate animation for each view, also it just looks weird whenever you kook at someone in first-person 😂.

And plus not a lot of people use first-person in that game.

[untold totem]

Why not just let us have both just like in ARK 1 instead of removing one for meta sake and have the community blame the modders when WC forgot to/break the update the Dev Kit every single major update

[south lance]

maybe the work involved for fp is a lot more than just a camera change

like ik ij some games you have to make a new model of the character hands and tools to work with fp as opposed to what other players see because of perspective issues

[untold totem]

They have the code for it in ARK 1 and they claim "UE 5 is easy to port from UE4"

Why not just use that then?

[south lance]

?

like the first person code from ark1?

[blissful perch]

This isn’t a question of code feasibility

[elfin pumice]

A game that is being made for third person wont look good in first, plus its time consuming to add. They probably leave it to the modders so wc doesnt have to waste time

[blissful perch]

It’s a question of “with the mechanics present in ark 2 does first person WORK”. And to that I suspect the answer may be “no”

[south lance]

this definitely happens in ark1 btw, since the hands in fp wouldnt be on the screen if you just adjusted camera since they are by the sides of the character not up in front

im not sure how tools are incorporated here

[untold totem]

That sounds lazy devs to me

Read my last one again
If they forgot/fail to update the Dev Kit to have that mod updated, people will blame the modders for something that is basically the Dev's fault in the first place

[blissful perch]

WC said first person is an easy mod because again…it’s probably easy to code that in

It just might make no sense to do so

[untold totem]

They should've just do it themselves rather than pass it to the modders

If their claim is "easy" despite the devs are the ones updating the Dev Kit for the modders to do anything about it

[blissful perch]

It’s like saying “if WC can code admin cheats to be accessible to all players, why not have them do it?” Just because it’s possible…doesn’t mean it’s good for the game

[untold totem]

False Equivalence

[blissful perch]

I would equate first person in a souls like game like elden ring (IE first person that won’t work) to admin cheats in terms of them being ill fit for vanilla. Both would break the game

[south lance]

the way the devs want fp to look probably wouldnt be as simple as a texture port especially since i dont think ue5 affects things like the fp specific models

besides lighting ofc

so youd have ark1 looking hands and maybe tools in ark2

[untold totem]

So basically nothing much difference than just having both modes in

[elfin pumice]

After everyone realizes that fp doesnt fit ark 2 and stop demanding it, the people who will have wasted their time coding it will be modders and not wc

[south lance]

im not sure if you could even actually use ark1 code in ark2

[blissful perch]

This will help WC if true…which they seem to think it will be and I hope for them it is

[south lance]

that might take a lot more time than just making an ark2 fp model, and at that point we are just considering why fp is or isnt worth their time outside the context of a port

[untold totem]

People forget builders use 1st person because 3rd person sucks

I am talking to you Valheim

[blissful perch]

It didn’t sound like a question of time/effort/budget to me. It sounded like first person simply didn’t WORK with ark 2’s mechanics

[ionic meteor]

It really depends on how the movement animation is, if its very fluid and dynamic then I'd say it'll be more than just sticking a camera on the nose, modders will be required to make special animations for first-person.

However, if not then yes you're right it'll be easy to do.

[elfin pumice]

Camera could go on shoulder

[south lance]

there is likely some edge case beyond what we have seen or known that causes issues

[untold totem]

So ARK 2 has no building mechanics to compensate that silly "souls like" bs?

[blissful perch]

I think the conflict is design based rather than anything else

[untold totem]

That still sucks

[blissful perch]

Tons of builders I’ve seen rely on orbital camera, which I’m gonna hope is removed in ark 2. I think it’s an overreaction to say building is boned with no first person

[south lance]

i get that the current argument is that fp doesnt vibe with souls like combat/movement, but i wonder exactly why you couldnt use certain tricks to bypass some issues like rolling

i havent considered everything yet

[untold totem]

I have seen builders use 1st person more

K mode is for the flashy screenshot and some placement but 1st person is for accurate placing because there is nothing in the way aside from hands that can move out of the way

[south lance]

in this case youd just lower the camera and maybe have a small hand movement to indicate a roll imo

insteaf of rolling the camera

[blissful perch]

First person falters when you have to rapidly twist your model around mid combat…and you have to be aware of where exactly your weapons and shield are positioned

[south lance]

does it?

[blissful perch]

They can handle third person. Ark isn’t only about building, and I doubt WC will sack building when considering their choices

[south lance]

im not really sure of where this issue pops up in other games

[blissful perch]

Monster hunter and elden ring come to mind as being horrid in first person

[south lance]

elden ring has fp?

[blissful perch]

Both are tp because fp would be crap

[south lance]

i want to see some devs implement fp into soulslike

even if it turned out shit

[blissful perch]

I’m guessing it’s done behind closed doors, then rejected. Similar to ark 2

[south lance]

fair ig

[untold totem]

No one likes building in 3rd person

Valheim gets criticized for that until they announced the update for the anchoring solution

[south lance]

whats the main issues with 3p building

i think it's aiming and snappoints (aiming harder)

fp reduces fov significantly making it easier to position a wall for ex.

also perspective issues

for some reason the way tp is implemented means the crosshair isnt where it looks like it is

[blissful perch]

I see blueprints and ghost structures being a pretty easy way to handle that

[untold totem]

That's for premades

[blissful perch]

Great, so WC can skip to that stage if they wish. I doubt the choice was made without market research into other games in TP and how wc could manage it

[south lance]

ye youd have to make the bp first

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 a ghost is made when you select a wall or floor 😅

[south lance]

the green highlight?

[split dove]

yh

[blissful perch]

Blueprints will help with repetitive builds and ghost structures (the ark 1 or any game ever type that shows you where something is going) will help mitigate issues of aim

[south lance]

i think the issue with that is it foesnt solve the aim issue

[untold totem]

So basically you are ok for modders getting blamed when WC fucks the Dev Kit up, beaking that supposed "first person mods" in every major update?

[south lance]

it is generally way hardwr to get a wall to snap in the right place even with ghost

i think a better snap toggle would be nice

[blissful perch]

What are modders gonna get yelled at about? People who play vanilla won’t use the mod and people who don’t play vanilla will take whatever they get

[south lance]

that forcibly goes througu every possible snap point within some section of your screen

ark1 has this i think?

ik ark mobile has it, doesnt work super well tho

[blissful perch]

It’s possible WC will take flak from official players “if this was modded in why can’t you do it”…but I don’t see how this will become some sort of modder hate crisis

[elfin pumice]

It does

[untold totem]

Only few people play vanilla... Like a miniscule compared soon to be countless players will be playing the game modded with all gaming platforms have mod access, no longer be steam exclusive

[blissful perch]

Isn’t it like 40% of ark 1 players play official?

[elfin pumice]

But its kinda broken and the structure doesnt always go to where the ghost was

[blissful perch]

Even on PC I think it’s closer to 40 than 20…didn’t we look at this @south lance

[south lance]

modded ark experience is kinda trash compared to most games tbf

im not sure if its 40%

i think for pvp thats true

[untold totem]

Depends on the mods, I just avoid the OP dino stuff (unless filming)

[south lance]

at least, roughly half of pvp is on offi at least

its not really that the content mods bring is terrible, its that loading mods takes ages and there isnt many decent ones because i guess modding in ark is hard

probably why the few decent mod maps guarantee you a spot on the team lol

[blissful perch]

Interfacing with a bowl of spaghetti ☠️

[untold totem]

That is why WC's forgetting the Dev Kit updates sometimes ruins mods

[south lance]

ark2 soujds like itll be way more mod friendly

[blissful perch]

But how does that ruin modder reputation

It’s not clear to me that no first person and saying it can be modded in is somehow arming people to go ape against modders

[south lance]

which is good, no game dev can completely engage most players by themselves for years imo, community content is necessary

i think ark1 is exceptional in how much content the devs got into the game to keep offi around

the devs are more than capable at making a big game

[blissful perch]

Depends heavily on the game - sandbox games tho are best served by offering community content

[south lance]

yeah

[untold totem]

Remember how Eco close to quit the modding community because of bunch of people harassed her for bug fixes

It would be ideal if the modders update the Dev Kit as well but they don't know the source code, they can't do anything about it unless WC keeps updating the Dev Kit along with the game updates

[blissful perch]

Ok so connect that to first person mods on launch day - presumably when the dev kit will be version 1.0

[untold totem]

And the game has a major patch yet the Dev Kit is still in 1.0

[south lance]

it might just be really hard to update dev kit when the devs themselves struggle to get the game to work right

every update is a guaranteed 1 to 2 weeks of endless ping issues on offi for example

[blissful perch]

You’re talking about modders getting flak over the game’s lifespan for not updated dev kits in ark 2?

If so, the conversation has far departed from first person mods = modders get flak

[untold totem]

No, you don't understand what is going on in the modding side of things

[south lance]

we really need a blank slate with a decent foundation (ark2 lol)

[blissful perch]

You’re failing to convince me that outdated dev kits isn’t an “all mods” problem rather than a first person mod problem

[south lance]

cynically its possible that the devs make the same issues with dev kit updates as in ark1 in which case modding in first person will be much more of a chore than is implied

[untold totem]

The "all mods problem" is also the "first person mods" problem if the core issue is the Dev Kit lagging behind the recent major patch

[blissful perch]

It will be the same chore as any other major mod like S+ etc is my suspicion

[south lance]

though now we are back to whether first person is necessary, and this whole mod argument is almost pointlessly tangent to it

[blissful perch]

Correct, and entirely my point lol

[south lance]

we have at least seen much mention of mod support in ark2

its words, but at least it implies that the devs are steering towards more mod support

did they ever mention mod support during the first 2 years ark1 existed

[blissful perch]

I don’t remember when the workshop dropped but it was early

[untold totem]

It's more unnecessary to remove it then later let someone else who has less "new things" to work with instead of just update the thing as it is

[blissful perch]

This implies first person is a desired feature for WC. It is not

[south lance]

for ark2*

[blissful perch]

This isn’t WC offloading a feature to modders and saying “I’m sure you can make our game for us”

It’s WC saying “if you really want this thing we opted to not include, knock yourself out”

[south lance]

you mean the dev kit? or first person?

[untold totem]

Basically offloading it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[untold totem]

First person

[south lance]

aight

[blissful perch]

WC chooses not to add something to their game = offloading it is dangerously close to a clown take

By that logic every mod should be in vanilla but big evil WC is preying on modders to make their game for them

[south lance]

tek suits make building easier :P

[untold totem]

That is more "clown take"

Not what I am talking about because first person view is already vanilla in ARK 1

[south lance]

i think there is a cynical but valid position that the devs will fuck up building by not totally accounting for the issues building in 3p brings

[blissful perch]

So were tek suits…your point?

[south lance]

but it shouldnt be impossible to make a tolerable or decent 3p experience for building

[untold totem]

Not talking about Tek Suits either

[south lance]

i just dunno any good examples

[blissful perch]

Which is valid. This mod argument tho is just nutty

[south lance]

its related in that its evidence that devs are bad at implementing things

[blissful perch]

It’s nutty to me that first person should be added to a game WC stated doesn’t seem to benefit from or want to include first person…because modders who add first person may get flak

[south lance]

ok are there any games with decent or tolerable 3p building

what techniques they use and all

[untold totem]

None

[south lance]

where is the limits to how good 3p building can be are

what are the consistent issues

is it mainly just aiming?

[blissful perch]

Gonna have to remove the subjective and say what popular or well played games have third person building

[south lance]

cause of perspective issues

[south lance]

fair enough ig

my only idea is minecraft maybe

i dont think they build in 3p tho

[untold totem]

Most games with building systems are mostly have 1st person implemented

Except for Valheim which is exclusively 3rd person game and building placement sucks

[south lance]

whats the main issue with 3p building

i have my own experiences but they mainly say that getting the right snap point in 3p sucks because the crosshair doesnt match where something is

perspective issues mainly

[elfin pumice]

As i said before, camera could go on the characters shoulder

[south lance]

also you have a wider fov which means you need to aim harder

oh that too

[untold totem]

Already stated that because that is Valheim

[south lance]

couldnt you just move tho

like even in fp building that close to a wall is annoying

[elfin pumice]

Im sure they also had building in mind when making ark 2 tpo

[untold totem]

Building is all about precision, you won't get any precise placement when your view is limited

[south lance]

having a bigger placement radius is also helpful

[untold totem]

That is what 1st person view excels at

[south lance]

yeah but it helps in 3p too

i mainly ask this to find how to make 3p experience tolerable

that way when ark2 comes players can complain until devs add these features to optimize 3p

[untold totem]

Not really because it's only limited and sometimes end up inaccurate

[south lance]

what about making the player transparent while building

[untold totem]

Basically what Valheim did

Now they just announced to add snap points to compensate the limited placement

[south lance]

i like that even in fp tbf

like you mean snap point toggle right

its super helpful when making janky builds

[untold totem]

Nope, like ARK snap points

[elfin pumice]

They could just add fp when placing a strucure without any new animations

[south lance]

you mean like, walls snap to edges and stuff?

[untold totem]

Yep

[south lance]

i think thats a given already

idk if having snap points reduces load on servers

as opposed to free build

[south lance]

might work, idk how camera will be adjusted

like pubg has fp scope

even while third person otherwise

[untold totem]

You cannot place something under the huge block overhang initially

[south lance]

the transition works

[south lance]

wdym

[elfin pumice]

You mean the transition?

[south lance]

just how to position camera

transition doesnt need to be smooth, it could just snap between modes

[untold totem]

It's hard to explain in text and I am on my phone

I think the Dev made a video update about the building issue

[south lance]

fair enough

[blissful perch]

🙏 thank you mods

[south lance]

what

off topic

[lavish rain]

Whe

[winged dome]

n Ark2?

Oh jeez, look at the time~
🍻

[lavish rain]

Alcoholic anthem

[winged dome]

Why wait for others when you can make your own happiness?

[lavish rain]

Precisely

But men, we shall prepare for the all out onslaught of angry ark fans when the community crunch drops

[tropic forge]

naa same old same old

[winged dome]

31st is a Friday, so I fully expect the roadmap to come out with the (late) Crunch that day

Any earlier would be a nice surprise 😂

[tropic forge]

wont be a surprise if they delay the roadmap at this point 🤣

trully is the company name is "Wild rush/delay Card"

[lavish rain]

Imagine delaying a roadmap

[tropic forge]

well after dealing whit this company since launch on ps4 it wont surprise me a simple thing like a roadmap being delay

[lavish rain]

Delaying a delay

[tropic forge]

more like "rushing info to just delay product"

[lavish rain]

Idk but community crunch better have stuff

[tropic forge]

have they finish selecting the new dino?

my guess for this cc will be the new mosquito dossier maybe some pic from valentines day event or maybe a new dino pic for ark2 ( doubt that too soon)

[bronze dune]

Ark 2 !

So just 3rd person point of view I see

[split dove]

they probably tried making the new player stuff work in first person, but it might not have been as good as if they were to go full third person only

[past wind]

Old news buddy! We are now complaining about the roadmap.

[bronze dune]

What about the roadmaps

And the dinos are Ganna be smarter right?

[past wind]

It’s been 3 days and we don’t have any roadmaps

[bronze dune]

Like attack in groups and organized smith like that

[past wind]

That’s a delay for sure

[bronze dune]

Ark 2 is out already ?

[past wind]

Yes…

[bronze dune]

WHATT!!!!

[split dove]

quick steampage look will answer that, roadmap is supposed to come out this month

[bronze dune]

I have t seen anyone do videos on ark 2 yet what

[winged dome]

They all decided not to, for some reason

[past wind]

Not their fault

[winged dome]

Maybe they want to give new content creators a shot

[bronze dune]

Wow

[past wind]

Whats a Steam page? My only source is YouTube videos.

[bronze dune]

Same

[blissful perch]

It’s a new game so it makes sense ark 1 creators would let a new crop of ark 2 ones begin the charge

[astral token]

What YouTube? My only source is my friends and my uncle who works for WC

[untold ingot]

Uh, literally every YouTube for ark1 has done videos on ark2

[astral token]

Sarcasm Raq

They’re trolling that guy

[winged dome]

I do kinda wonder if hopeful content creators think the 'next big game' or whatever will be their chance to get noticed - if they make plans for release or pre-plan content to get it out asap since speed > quality is so common

[astral token]

I’ll probably do some ARK II when it comes, I make YT videos so I can archive footage anyway lol

[untold ingot]

I mean it usually is the best time to get noticed but you have to be really quick on it

[astral token]

Before I yeet it from local storage

[winged dome]

Then I start to wonder what kind of content creator I would be if I hated myself enough to do it

[hard trellis]

Tell me you're joking I wanted to finish the one before the 2 went out

[winged dome]

Today is looking to be a bountiful harvest

[split dove]

a bountiful alcoholic party

[astral token]

😂

[lime flicker]

What your guys plans when ark 2 is released? You know these alpha tribes are ganna be mobilizing 🫣🫣

[astral token]

🍻

[winged dome]

Play SP, or join an Unofficial with some friends. They can keep Official for all I care

[past wind]

Yes…

[past wind]

Now you are my source: a dude from discord who has relatives working for WC

[split dove]

i know the ark community really well, i'm setting up a private server and play with friends as soon as possible

[past wind]

I plan to play it

[astral token]

Beautiful👏

[prisma pike]

Erm if we don't get a roadmap today I'm gonna like piss and shit my pants

[winged dome]

You know the community? Ok - name every member

[past wind]

Bobs

[split dove]

• Annoying idiot 1-80657
• Official players 🤮
• Official pvp players
• Official pve players
• Unofficial players
• Singleplayer players
• Non-dedicated players
• The Bobs
• The toxic maniacs
• The crybabies
• The impatient ones
• The ''youtube is my news source'' group
• The farm slaves
• The ones with insane takes/conspiracy theories
  -''When Ark 2?''
• The 5 or 6 sane Ark 2 chatters
• Bob emoji spammers

[winged dome]

Checks out

[past wind]

Forgot the farm slaves

[split dove]

that's official players in general 😂

[past wind]

I have some on my unnofficial pve server

They are everywhere

They think one day they will be heard on their tribes, but they won’t

[lavish rain]

This is how my tribe survived

[untold ingot]

You forgot me

🥺

[split dove]

you're at the bottom of the list

[untold ingot]

Oohh, that's better lol

Everyone needs a little insanity lol

[split dove]

you people make the ramblings from Lotus look normal sometimes

[untold ingot]

Wait, me?

I'm not thaaat crazy

[covert tapir]

Everyone : Having discussions about Ark / Zenark : 🍻

[split dove]

you have had some that rival Lotus when he's schizo

[untold ingot]

Tbf, pretty much everyone here has lol

[split dove]

we only clink to the dumbest/most repetitive topics

[covert tapir]

you guys need your guts drained then

maybe switch to everytime there is a new dumb question that hasnt been asked before

[split dove]

don't worry, i puke my guts out every few hours anyway. i've basicly become alcohol immune

[untold ingot]

That rarely happens usually its the same dumb questions over and over and over again

[winged dome]

Questions not asked before might actually bring something new to the conversation, new ideas or insight

[lavish rain]

Which am i

[winged dome]

But the same questions, 'Ark2 when? Only 3rd person? PS4?', ect? Nothing to gain except a new clink 🍻

[lavish rain]

I'm gonna open a brewery named after you @winged dome

When was the last time I had an insane take

[split dove]

Toxic maniac, impatient one, insane takes/conspiracies

[lavish rain]

Official player

[split dove]

you got more insane conspiracies than takes

[untold ingot]

There is still time today

[lavish rain]

How am I a toxic manic

[lavish rain]

Name my most recent one

[covert tapir]

"Let his Alcoholism consume him" kinda toxic no?

ik its a joke

[lavish rain]

I was asking flobs what my last conspiracy was

[covert tapir]

oh i thought you meant that

[split dove]

besides your recent plans to storm Wildcards or Snail games offices i can't fully recall

[untold ingot]

Tbh, lotus has been pretty well behaved recently

[lavish rain]

Tf

[lavish rain]

Dude your gonna get me banned

[lavish rain]

You haven't seen me in shifters discord

[untold ingot]

I mean, here you have behaved well

Somehow I got kicked from that server, I don't know if I accidentally left or not lol

[split dove]

i need to keep that thing under control 😅

[fallow niche]

Probably a safe bet to bring it back on topic

[lavish rain]

You left

[covert tapir]

everyone invited but me cool

[lavish rain]

Back on topic

[fallow niche]

Thanks.

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I'll have to get another invite again lol

[covert tapir]

yes boss

[lavish rain]

It's for sane ark 2 chatters, but we need to get back on topic

[untold ingot]

Anyway, pts in ark2 need to have giant battering rams on their heads

[covert tapir]

pts, same with all flyers gotta suck hard balls

#groundtravel

#flyerslategameonly

[untold ingot]

I mean, I agree with that 100%

[covert tapir]

we already saw the pts and they look kinda weak tbh+

[untold ingot]

I think people playing sotf have started to realize just how stupid op fliers really are in the game

[astral token]

Fliers in real life aren’t OP bcz they have weak defenses

[untold ingot]

The ones in the trailer were a recolor of ark1 pts, it wasn't new ones and I doubt they will look like that in the actual game

[covert tapir]

didnt they look more feathery?

[untold ingot]

I don't think so

[astral token]

Fliers basically need

1. Smaller HP pool/More damage multiplied regions
2. Inability to fly while being damaged
3. Debuffed weight

[split dove]

wings should also act like headshot dmg multipliers

[untold ingot]

I think they just need regional damage and make it way harder to pick, added with an insane weight nerf

[astral token]

Nay

[covert tapir]

just checked they have butterfly like wingas

wings

no they dont i just dont know

[lavish rain]

I sent one

[covert tapir]

how to call it

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but they just got recolored. I think the model is the same. The sound definitely is

[covert tapir]

well since they bites actually hit the creature now theyll probably just get munched if hit once

[astral token]

I mean with the big ass flying mythical things (re: Aliens)

[astral token]

Unknown and unconfirmed, will probably not be implemented in a game like ARK

[covert tapir]

compared to santiago they also look smaller but maybe thats alot of perspective

[astral token]

Then I could argue literally anything will fall to a well placed bullet 👍🏽

[covert tapir]

they wrote that attacks will actually hit a creature etc.

so i guess if i hit a pt with my rex mouth

that thing isnt gonna fly out of my mouth

[astral token]

Still will never one shot

Thats just bad game design

[covert tapir]

flyers are bad game design

[split dove]

''for creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!''

[covert tapir]

but i wonder if players can get munched while on a creature now

[astral token]

I am reading better hitboxes and better signs of damage

[untold ingot]

Ttk in ark2 for dinos like fliers should be about a 15 seconds to bows or something

[astral token]

Titanic(k)?

[split dove]

Time to kill

[astral token]

Oh lol

Ideally you’d want it where a well placed shot kills anything

But

PvP 👎🏽

[past wind]

For gameplay purposes, better not to

[untold ingot]

Rex ttk against other rexes should be like 30 seconds or a minute. Player vs player ttk should be like 10 seconds. Rex vs player in good armor should be a 3 or 4 bite

[astral token]

Disagree with #1

#2 depends on equipment and skill

[untold ingot]

That's fair, what would you change it to?

[astral token]

Maybe atleast 2-3 mins

Looking roughly ar Jurassic World movies here

[untold ingot]

2-3 minutes is too much imo

[astral token]

As I said it depends on like where it hits etc

[untold ingot]

Ttk is just calculating the raw damage output

[past wind]

What do you mean by time to kill. I’m not sure I get it.

[astral token]

In a 1 v 1

[untold ingot]

The actual fight times are usually longer

[past wind]

Oh ok

[astral token]

Oh Ic

Yes makes sense

[past wind]

When you say ttk, you are using dps?

[untold ingot]

Ttk is like the fastest it could kill a target standing still and hitting all the attacks

No, because i am talking time, dps is damage

[past wind]

Liked capped damage rex vs Rex?

Per second

[astral token]

No like 2 same rexes

[past wind]

Damage per second

[astral token]

One standing still, the other getting all the crits

[past wind]

If it takes 30 seconds you are kinda using dps I guess

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily all crits, but like a 30/70 split of crit/normal

[past wind]

A rex in ark 1 can bite, maybe, 10x in 30 seconds

[untold ingot]

It's related yeah

[covert tapir]

but i wonder, many creatures got lots of spikes -> trex kinda bad with mouth

gotta kick em over with his feet

[untold ingot]

I don't want to think of ark in dps

[covert tapir]

ark 1 was pure dps

[past wind]

Sure, it’s more complex than that

[untold ingot]

Yeah and it was an unimaginative combat system.

I want one that makes you think more ttk than raw dps

[past wind]

But ttk of rex vs Rex I think should be higher than 30 seconds

[untold ingot]

Why?

[past wind]

You agree a rex would bite 10x in 30 seconds?

Killing another rex in 10 bites would be too little IMO

[covert tapir]

once every 10 seconds i guess if we bites hard into the flesh and wiggles it a bit

[astral token]

2 or 3well placed bite on the neck would finish the job

[past wind]

Hmmmm

[untold ingot]

Tbh, it's honestly less than that with gigas rn

[astral token]

There would be a lot of pushing, slamming, falling involved

[covert tapir]

that would be awesome

[astral token]

The actual fight would be longer

[covert tapir]

tho your trex falling over would be a death sentence

[astral token]

Imagine Jurassic movies fights

[past wind]

You mean capped giga vs wild rex?

[astral token]

That’s the style I want

[past wind]

Because with a saddle it won’t

[covert tapir]

true

[astral token]

Ur thinking style is only wrong

[untold ingot]

No, I am talking equal vs equal

Either way I don't want to see a "capped" giga or capped anything

[covert tapir]

you guys think giga will be there

or a carcha

[past wind]

Yeah, but Ark 1 is the only benchmark we have 😂

What I want for Ark 2 is more complexity

[untold ingot]

I want Dino vs Dino fighting for both pve and pvp to take more skill

[past wind]

One can kill another with a single bite, I don’t care, but it should have a reason that’s more complex

Like a special attack that breaks the neck of the other Rex

[untold ingot]

I mean, ideally I would enjoy it if Dino levels weren't a thing, and instead each Dino had a skill tree

[covert tapir]

more resources, more fighting styles, cool taming methods, weak flyers, crazy biomes like bamboo or something and im sold

tho im sold however the game comes out

[untold ingot]

That would also reduce the number of dino spam you would need

[covert tapir]

but a skill tree that can be completed or you have to choose what way you want your creature to be?

[untold ingot]

Add giant map and caravans to that and it would be epic

[past wind]

Like the specializations we already have, for the theres and gachas

[covert tapir]

and cool small creatures that are useful

[past wind]

I want poisonous small creatures that can kill larger ones when chomped

[untold ingot]

Well, each Dino in a biome would have skills related to its varients. Like heat resistant or cold resistant, moves faster in water or something like that. But tamed ones perform worse in fights, with slower attack speed or something, and subsequent generations (without the ark1 interbreeding) would slowly get way better at combat or farming capabilities. But on a scale of like max 20 or 50% better. Not 1500% better like ark1

[covert tapir]

you guys think creature can loose they spikes like the anky

them breaking off

[past wind]

The issue would be performance I guess

Server and local pc performances would get a hit

[untold ingot]

They did it for amargas

[astral token]

Definitely

Especially after Dominion

[untold ingot]

If giga is there then it needs to not be like an ark1 giga and needs to be a terrain specific Rex varient type thing like spinos are

[astral token]

Indeed

Gigas would likely prefer open terrain

Since they runnin’

[past wind]

Well, at least it would fit WCs spiky phase

[astral token]

Not as thicc as rexes

[past wind]

That giga was spiky

[untold ingot]

Yeah, like rexes take jungle, gigas take plains, spinos take lakes and rivers, and theris take alpine as the alphas there

[astral token]

No I mean like the popularity that it got so, but yes fair point

[past wind]

Just kidding. I didn’t like that giga. 🤣

[split dove]

i'd be down for some herbivores like theris and brachios to be the apex of some places

[astral token]

Fair

[past wind]

I want the indominus Rex

[astral token]

Brachios won’t be Alpha anywhere

They will just chill and do their thing

[untold ingot]

Herbivores definitely need a big place in the power scaling

Hmm, I guess I should say apex predator than alpha. Because that's what I mean

Brachios, trikes and other big herbivores definitely need to be stronger

Like a Rex on its own no way should beat a brachi

[tropic crag]

Don't we all... hence the mods

[untold ingot]

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen

[tropic crag]

Unless they license it from them 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

I don't want to see jurrasic Park take over ark

[tropic crag]

No, just the indo(s)

As a crossover dino(s)

[untold ingot]

It's not even that good of a design though

There are overhaul mods that have it already, and carcha is just way better

[tropic crag]

The indoraptor was definitely cool as fuck

You can't tell me otherwise

[past wind]

Just call it Dolliesaurus

[untold ingot]

I mean, I can lol, but that's just because I didn't like jurassic park lol

[untold ingot]

Cedaceratops

[past wind]

What? What an heresy

[tropic crag]

There we go, just have Dollie draw her version of it! No copyright can interfere!

[untold ingot]

I didn't like jurassic park because as a story it's really not great lol

[past wind]

See, there’s a way

[tropic crag]

Life, uh, finds a way

[lavish rain]

I don't Ike movies period

[split dove]

Description from the brachio image: An aloof behemoth. aloof: not friendly or forthcoming; cool and distant.
i highly hope it isn't just like most giant herbivores except the theri, where they don't attack you unless you hit them first. being cautious shouldn't be limited to just carnivores that will hunt you down, we need more territorial herbivores.

[untold ingot]

Movies are an excuse for bad storytellers to make flashing lights lol

[past wind]

It is not. But it’s about what it represented

[lavish rain]

You wanna go Bruce? Why are movies good

[past wind]

I loved dinosaurs before that, but it was an amazing movie to me as a kid

[untold ingot]

If it didn't represent it very well?

[past wind]

I was a kid

I wasn’t looking for accuracy

😂

[untold ingot]

Sure, it's a great kids movie

[tropic crag]

Cinema is an art form, so that take makes sense for you and Raq, the terminators of our time

[untold ingot]

But it's very lacking to be good imo

[lavish rain]

The terminators of our time?

[tropic crag]

How someone that can't appreciate art can mature to adulthood in this day and age is bewildering to me

[untold ingot]

Bruising is still salty that I said I don't appreciate much art lol

[past wind]

I don’t know, I think they did a great job. I think archeology got a lot of attention since then

It’s not a documentary

[untold ingot]

It's not a great story though, the writing could have been way better

[covert tapir]

was there a giga in dominon?

[lavish rain]

Can't appreciate art? I just don't like watching movies, I have nothing against it as art.

[astral token]

💀

[split dove]

yup

[untold ingot]

They literally copied and pasted the old movies lol

[covert tapir]

did not watch it xd

[astral token]

😔

[past wind]

Like I’ve said, it’s not. But it undoubtedly called a lot of attention.

[astral token]

Agreed

[past wind]

Dominion is shit, but I loved to see new Dino’s

[astral token]

Jurassic Park stories went downhill after Crichton died

His novels kept the boat afloat on the 1st 2

[untold ingot]

Ark animated will 100% be better

[astral token]

Hence why they’re so renowned

[astral token]

We’ll see

I don’t trust shows nowadays looks at Rings of Power

[split dove]

theri is accurate to ark standards, giant douche murder chickens that slap anything to death that gets to close

[untold ingot]

He wrote the books fairly well, but they didn't write the movies up to par

[past wind]

Im pretty sure, if you ask Jesse and Jeremy, they probably were influenced by JP and JW

[astral token]

The original Jurassic Park is almosr a 1:1 of the Crichton novel

Lost World is changed a lot

[untold ingot]

It was just made in the 80s, so the acting wasn't quite as much of a science

[past wind]

Raq is talking about story

[astral token]

1997

[past wind]

And it’s definitively shit

[astral token]

93 for Park, 97 for Lost World

[past wind]

But it’s nice to see Dinos interacting with humans and all

[untold ingot]

So basically the 80s lol

[untold ingot]

Sure, but it would be nice if it actually had a good story, or any story really

[split dove]

we do a little trolling

[past wind]

Did you see the bed rock (or something like that) short?

[untold ingot]

"oh no, giant murder bugs will end the world"

[past wind]

They could make more shorts like that as a series 😂

[untold ingot]

No I didnt

[lavish rain]

Somehow not liking movies means you hate art

[past wind]

Watch it, is nice

[untold ingot]

Yeah, apparently it's to much to ask for talent and effort in things

[past wind]

People camping get attacked by an allo

[past wind]

You are not wrong, but I like it for what it is

Funny dino movie

But if you want a super accurate documentary, that from apple is probably the best I’ve seen so far

[winged dome]

Didn't miss much, Lystro decapitates an Oviraptor, immediate 'chicken with head cut off gag'

[untold ingot]

I prefer the ark story, it's the same basic idea, but it's more compelling, more complex and has more real characters

Just hoping they can portray it that way in the show

[past wind]

Like I’ve said above, I’m 99% sure Jesse and Jeremy were influenced by JP

[untold ingot]

Obviously, but they did it way better

[past wind]

That’s one of the reasons I think JP is important on their way

[lavish rain]

Ok i want to hear this one, talk about it in #ark-animated-series

[past wind]

As a game, yeah, but arks story isn’t that deep and complex also

[untold ingot]

Not really, but it is better than jp

The characters in ark seem more real than the bots in jp

[past wind]

I agree on that. There are one or two characters that are well built

The others are just fillers

Ark has better characters

And I believe the series will help on that

[split dove]

give it up for ''generic unhappy couple'', ''generic scientists and army dudes'' and most importantly ''generic annoying human villains''

[untold ingot]

Not to mention theri that somehow makes friends with Rex. Because that is totally realistic

[split dove]

but said Theri happily bitch slaps a random deer into the next forest

[past wind]

Shut up, Nedry is great

We even have a skin because of him

[split dove]

he physically represents a portion of Ark players as well, such a good reference and skin

[past wind]

Ah ah ah you didn’t say the magic word

[split dove]

Wildcard should just give the upcoming ark 2 news to the civilized portion of the community, and send that gif to the more ''different'' ones

[zealous gulch]

will ark 2 have similar levelling system as ark 1?

[past wind]

Would be amazing

[split dove]

refer to my list as you wish

[past wind]

Not clear yet

[winged dome]

Probably maybe

[past wind]

We have to wait

[split dove]

we don't know, we know players will have skill trees, but nothing else has really been said

[zealous gulch]

Did they announce when we'll hear some more news on it?

[stray elm]

Sometime this month with a roadmap

[split dove]

they're normally gonna show a ark roadmap this month

[lavish rain]

Better be today or I tweak out

[zealous gulch]

ah kk thanks

[split dove]

no, it will contain a small sentence with ''we know you're eagerly awaiting the Ark roadmap, but you won't have to wait long for that, as we will share it with you next week''

[lavish rain]

I'd be satisfied with that

[past wind]

Bye

[lavish rain]

What

[split dove]

Whe

[past wind]

99% it won’t happen today

[zealous gulch]

oh its meant to be anonunced today?

[winged dome]

Bountiful harvest indeed 🍻

[split dove]

they did reveals every four weeks, and that roadmap was on february 11th, so next week will have been 4 weeks from that

[lavish rain]

I will do an ice bath if it dosent drop

[untold ingot]

I used to do those weekly at minimum

[lavish rain]

Did you stay in for 3 hours? Because sources say things that make me want to do it...

[split dove]

Lotus, the last 2 reveals were every 4 weeks, expect it at the earliest next week, as it will have been 4 weeks from it's first mention

[lavish rain]

Well ice bath it is

[split dove]

ice bath with booze?

[winged dome]

Sign me up 🍻

[lavish rain]

Ice bath with everything

[blissful perch]

I disagree with this being 🍻 . A question about what we DO when ark 2 comes out is not the same as "when ark 2?"

[blissful perch]

where's the "sanest ark 2 chatter" for me flobs 👀

[lavish rain]

Anyone in your discord are the only sane or partially sane ones

I'm partially sane, then again ice bath...

[blissful perch]

you are sane only in short windows

similar to the buff timer of a yuty. Normally insane + brief moments of clarity

[lavish rain]

Only in short windows?

[south lance]

yeah get back on the windowsill

[tropic crag]

Your short windowsill 🤣

[desert swallow]

Can't wait for the dev roadmap today!

[stray elm]

Don't get your hopes up

They never said it'll be the first Crunch of the month

Just 'sometime in March'

[desert swallow]

First crunch is the best crunch, most flavor

[split dove]

if they're also going for the ''monthly'' reveal for the roadmap expect it in like 2 weeks, 4 weeks after the last reveal

[winged dome]

Mmm... Crumchy

[stray elm]

The last day of the month is also a Friday........'soooooo'

[stray elm]

That's if the roadmap applies to these rules

[split dove]

would still be this month, so they could get away with it

[stray elm]

Yeah, I know.
Point is 'don't get your hopes up'

[desert swallow]

It's against the law to release a roadmap on any other day.

[stray elm]

Skill issue on your end

[split dove]

by the time the crunch drops at my time it's already april lol, if it's on the last friday

[desert swallow]

skill issue? That doesn't make sense

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[desert swallow]

skill issue using the term skill issue

[stray elm]

Skill issue for being the skill issue

[split dove]

Skill issue for needing to call the skill issue a skill issue

[desert swallow]

third party

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[split dove]

i'm always watching, from the shadows. enjoying the tomfoolery

[desert swallow]

we're just full of shenanigans

[past wind]

I was reading news today about starfield and it's upcoming showcase. The analysts think it's releasing until june for the same reason I (we) believe Ark 2 is relasing before July, that Game Pass Banner. LOL

By the way, the lack of info is a common thing among all titles. One of the games I was part of their Inside Alpha Program and the game felt complete to me. But still no public relevant info about it. Just some screenshots and info.

[untold ingot]

It's a pretty common approach

[broken flower]

Ark 2 releasing before July is a bit hopeful no?

[thick moat]

maybe

[past wind]

I don't know. We are just basing it on the Game Pass banner

[thick moat]

we'll see on the roadmap

[untold ingot]

I mean, cod released the gameplay trailer in June for an October release, that's like 4 months or less. There is still time for a July release this year

[past wind]

iwantobelieve

[stray elm]

CoD is also a yearly released series that reuses a lot of their previous games last coding and assets. So I wouldn't really compare that to something like ARK-2 where it's a whole new game being built from the ground

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am sure if I looked up other games its probably the same time from gameplay to releaee

[past wind]

Ark 1 basically didn't have any info prior it's release on Early access on Steam

[stray elm]

Bethesda is like that also.

[stray elm]

No shit. Cause no one knew about the game even existing

[past wind]

Not true

[untold ingot]

Ark1 was an indie game on release

[past wind]

I knew, but they didn't had much public info

They did like now, few info and just released

not saying they will follow the same path, but if you are looking for patterns...

[split dove]

it's fair to assume they might be under a NDA with Xbox, wich limits what they can say, as some of the devs said they would love to be able to share stuff, but being unable to. Or they just want to wait closer to release to offload a lot more info 🤷‍♂️

we will just have to wait for the roadmap for now

[covert tapir]

did anyone already mention that we gotta wait for roadmap

like we gotta wait for roadmap guys

every 5th sentence

[split dove]

sorry, i can't force it out of my body yet, give me 2 more weeks

[covert tapir]

gives it flavor

[split dove]

i'm trying to get everything out at once, it will take time

[winged dome]

Took a weird turn

[past wind]

I just found the first news I saw about ark on the Xbox News page, from may 16 2015. It was like 5 days after they posted the first gameplay.

And it released as early-access a month later

Again, not saying it will happen like that again, but they've only really started to advertise it after the early-access had started

[split dove]

[covert tapir]

may 16th my birthday yoooo

guess im born for ark

[past wind]

What a sad mission for your life

[covert tapir]

taming dodos and building a cute little house

[past wind]

online

[covert tapir]

what more do you want

[past wind]

go do it real life

[covert tapir]

well if you make dodos reallife again

i will gladly do that

[split dove]

just hunt big chickens, same thing basicly

[covert tapir]

ill even name one charlie

[past wind]

well, it's your life mission, not mine

but seriously

would be awesome if they bring real info on the roadmap

I'm just tired of speculation LOL

[covert tapir]

"ark 2 will have food" will be the announcment

[stray elm]

The flood from Halo: Combat Evolved?

[past wind]

They wouldnt dare... really... they wouldnt

[stray elm]

To be fair, Rockwell in Gen2 was already like the flood

Or are we talking about flood as in water?

[tropic crag]

Who mentioned the flood? I'm confused

I see food but

[south lance]

bible did

[stray elm]

Fuck off

[south lance]

oop

[tropic crag]

Bootleg Moment™️

[stray elm]

They did say food.....

I'm the the opposite of a glutenous fuck.
I see 'food' and I think something else.

[split dove]

Ark chatter moment™️

[stray elm]

Food wise, they better have a more indepth cooking system

[past wind]

Ok, I asked bing chat AI, there's no hope anymore:

"Unfortunately, there is no specific release date for Ark 2 yet. The game is scheduled to release sometime in 2023, either in Q1 or Q2. I hope you can wait patiently for it. 😊"

[south lance]

q 23 huh

[past wind]

Typo, they give a source for the info, it was the third source

[south lance]

oh

shucks

[past wind]

the 3 source was this: Ark 2 Release Date Window Revealed, Will Be on Xbox Game Pass

talking about the Game pass banner and the release window LOL

Dumb AI, I was expecting it to hack the Microsoft servers and get that info

[split dove]

seems the ai doesn't have a friend at Microsoft 😂

[stray elm]

Sadly, if we're talking about ChatGPT, it's restricted from doing so

[past wind]

Right? So much money invested...

[past wind]

I think Bing is using the "live" version of ChatGPT

[verbal wind]

ark 2 announcement, you will no longer have character creation. you will play as Bob or Santiago

[split dove]

No more speed goblins, a blessing from the lord . all player hitboxes will be the same

[past wind]

fake news, the AI:

Yes, you can create your own character in Ark 2. According to some sources, Ark 2 will still be a multiplayer survival game with taming, and it will have a character creator. The main character of the game is Santiago, played by Vin Diesel, but you can customize your own survivor. Do you like character customization? 😊

PS: I hate it uses those emoticons everytime

[verbal wind]

i want a dark souls level of character creator

[past wind]

Man, everytime someone asks me something, from now on, I will use the AI to answer it for me.

[verbal wind]

i also want hair to show while wearing a hat, not suddenly be bald underneath

[stray elm]

Trying to give ChatGPT a existential crisis.

[covert tapir]

you guys think we will get an ocean?

[blissful perch]

I hope not

[past wind]

SOrry:

I’m sorry but I don’t know if Ark 2 will have a Dark Souls level of character creator. There is not much information about the character creator details yet. Maybe you can wait for more updates from the developers. Do you like Dark Souls? 😊

[stray elm]

The planet is like 70% ocean.

[covert tapir]

same focus on land prefered

[blissful perch]

I assume you mean on initial release right?

[covert tapir]

yeah

[blissful perch]

Because I DO expect and anticipate an ocean will be part of ark 2 lol

[verbal wind]

ocean and no Leeds

[covert tapir]

more small fish

[blissful perch]

I think Leeds were a strong positive force on ark

[verbal wind]

more small fish yes

[blissful perch]

I think of them as oceanic janitors cleaning up people’s raft litter