ark-2

[untold ingot]

A skilled player could maybe win with either, but it should be extremely hard to do so

You should fight tames with tames or traps

[blissful perch]

Closing distance needs to be viable and ranged over immense distance should be impossible

Realistically if all ranged weapons were mid or short range I could see it being just fine even if they’re strong, since it would still mean a melee tame or player could close the distance and gain the advantage

[untold ingot]

With a shield closing distance is possible. If big tames are arrow resistant, then that makes it easy too

[blissful perch]

Or the bow could shoot like MH: where the range is about what a thrown spear can reach

[untold ingot]

The range for bows to be strong would need to be like 15m or less. But they still shouldn't be strong against big tames

[blissful perch]

If the bow is like MH they can be strong against big tames

Since in essence you’re choosing an evasion build

[lavish rain]

What about it being too easy to close distance?

[blissful perch]

Too easy?

If you have ark 1 bite cones that could be a problem, but I’m assuming ark 2 will have tighter cones if it’s to be anything remotely souls like

[untold ingot]

Ideally foot pvp is not strong agaisnt big stuff. It should be like a boss fight lok

[blissful perch]

It’s relative to melee in this case

A foot player should always be wary of and weak against a tame…but imo a short ranger MH bow could be comparable to a spear or sword

[untold ingot]

Sure, against big stuff. It should be weaker than melee in dps output for small stuff though

[untold ingot]

Sure, but a sword or handheld spear would do nothing against a Rex, without some extreme skill and luck

[blissful perch]

It’s all compared to other foot weapons here

[untold ingot]

Tbh though, I am not too picky about how melee weapons work agaisnt tames. I'll just be annoyed if ranged weapons are super strong against big stuff

[winged dome]

I just want an open world Monster Hunter with base building and tames

[untold ingot]

And absolutely NO unskippable cutscenes that take up 80% of playtime

[lavish rain]

I don't want weak aoe weapons

[untold ingot]

Aoe weapons like swords?

Those should be weak against big dinos

[winged dome]

I don't think there's going to be much melee AoE, since one of the confirmed features is tames biting actually stopping when hitting a target instead of just phasing through. Safe to assume it'll work the same for player weapons

[untold ingot]

Irl swords are aoe attacks though lol, until it hits something

[winged dome]

That's ... what I just said

Once it hits something, it stops.

[untold ingot]

I know, i just have to be contrary, it's like a daily quota

[winged dome]

Fair

[south lance]

what about heavy ranged weaponry

so like catapults, ballistas

canons are a good example too

these would be usually stayionary or with low mobility

but capable of taking down large stuff

imagine ballista turret but with faster projectile velocity and 6000-15000 damage instead of 600

canons i think alr have some use cases at least

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't mind that, but 6k to 15k hp seems a little way too broken lol

If we get rid of gigas, why would we want a mountable turret that is a giga

[south lance]

im using current ark damage resistance and hp pools

though yeah

[untold ingot]

I could see ballistae crippling a Rex, or halting it's movement, but not dealing huge amounts of damage

[south lance]

itd need some alternative methods to reach a wall

[untold ingot]

Catapults pulled by trikes anyone?

[south lance]

catapults could be cool

[untold ingot]

Or bronto mounted catapults

[south lance]

i just would like a consistent way to take down tanky dinos that isnt getting a hard to obtain tank killer

and by hard to obtain i mean rng

assuming stats are still a thing, and you need a decent stat roll to be useful

[untold ingot]

That defeats the purpose of a tank Dino if you don't need a tank killer lol

[south lance]

tank dinos are lazy

you should have tank killers available in any case

[untold ingot]

Tank dinos are inevitable

[south lance]

id just like something thats more reliably available

thylas work ig

things that do percentage damage and dont need to be bred over 5902029200 generations or whatever

youd need to have counters for those too

[untold ingot]

Well, I am hoping the mutation system gets scrapped for a skill tree type thing, so tank dinos won't be quite as tanky

[south lance]

i just realized my main issue is how unreliable this game can be

like id be fine with tank dinos existing as long as the way to get them was more reliable

[split dove]

yup

here is my take on a dino skill tree

[south lance]

reliability means a game as complicated and error prone as ark doesnt fuck you over

its why im really concerned over complex taming system especially if they implement a similar powerful breeding system

[untold ingot]

I would say ark is pretty reliable when it comes to getting tames though

[south lance]

yeah cause most tames arent super complicated

but its been trending towards more complexity

[untold ingot]

It just takes ridiculously long starting from scratch

[south lance]

that too

[split dove]

i'd rather take quicker somewhat more complex tames over the ''shoot/feed it for 2 hours to tame it for 8 hours'' knockout approach

[south lance]

quicker is ok

i just dont wanna try taming the same tame over and over because the game lags out at inopportune moments

this isnt an issue with simple tame systems like KO

[untold ingot]

Consistent taming has never been an issue for ark. Balance scaling has always been it'd problem

[south lance]

and it doesnt help that tames as is arent valuable enough as is

i like the concept of simple throwaway tames more

if a tame is hard, it should be very viable without breeding

wyverns are a decent implementation

[untold ingot]

Tames are throwaway

[south lance]

at least ignoring the faster tames that were included later

[south lance]

if it takes 4 hours to tame something it shouldnt be a throwaway

[untold ingot]

Why?

You tame 4 of them, and have an infinite supply

[south lance]

if they are decent sure

[untold ingot]

Trade for someone's decent line

[south lance]

that works if they are decent enough to trade for

[untold ingot]

Of you don't have throwaway tames that's a mentality thing, not a game restriction

[south lance]

i hope theres a decent number of useful throw aways

[untold ingot]

I don't expect it'll be much different in ark2 in that aspect

[south lance]

pteras atm are a good example

also crystal wyverns

best is maewing atm

[untold ingot]

Every Dino is a throwaway lol

[south lance]

but thats way too fast lol

?

throwaway should not have a base >1 hour requirement to obtain

the whole point is that you get it quickly and do something quick with it

and itll die almost as quickly

[untold ingot]

You talking pvp or pve?

[south lance]

either idrc

[untold ingot]

Because a fresh tamed pt or wyvern is absolutely terrible

[south lance]

terrible in what sense

[untold ingot]

It's a glorified bicycle

[south lance]

yeah thats fine

its not something thats useful in mid or endgame

[untold ingot]

Bred pt is extremely good late game lol

[south lance]

but they are decent enough for getting around as fast as you need

[untold ingot]

And it is still as much a throwaway

[south lance]

yeah for raids, im talking a level 30 pt to just get somewhere quickly

no gimicks, just a bola and tranq

no need to set up a whole ass trap or whatever

[untold ingot]

And there should be more of that?

[south lance]

i think that should exist

[untold ingot]

Sure, but not anymore than it already does

[south lance]

i dont want the game full of tames that require like 40 steps to obtain when i want to do something quick when starting on a new server

stuff that dont require an investment that would be the same as if i wanted to play long term on that server

[untold ingot]

Literally 50% of dinos in ark1 are quick to tame throwaway tames

[south lance]

i think theres only a handful of useful enough ones

[untold ingot]

If not more

[untold ingot]

There only needs to be 1, at most 2 imo

[south lance]

per map ya

[untold ingot]

If you want a mode of faster travel, an iguanadon or pt should be all you need. And those will be easy tames

[south lance]

pt works

[untold ingot]

It should not be any easier to tame in ark2 than it is in ark1

[south lance]

it probably wont be

[untold ingot]

Imo it should be harder

[south lance]

which is why im making these points

[untold ingot]

Take 75% the time and be 150% the effort seems a good mix

across the board

[south lance]

id say even less time

effort is not the issue

[untold ingot]

It already takes very little time

[split dove]

if more complex means i have to spend 30 min less i'm taking it 😂

[south lance]

its time and reliability

not little enough

[untold ingot]

You tranq it out, and then afk. Max 10 minutes for anything but a giga basically

[south lance]

?

i mean maybe ig?

[untold ingot]

You don't have to babysit a tranqed out tame

[south lance]

i havent tamed a pt in literally years i forget how long it takes to get up a level 30 on 1x

[untold ingot]

As much as I hate taming shadowmane because of finding the fish, that is exactly the base taming method I want for most dinos in ark2. It's a reasonable amount of time(assuming you have the stupid fish) and it's reasonably difficult

[untold ingot]

Like 5 minutes

[south lance]

huh ok thats fine ye

[untold ingot]

Stand corrected, it's 12 minutes on prime.

[south lance]

raw is what matters usually

[untold ingot]

Lol, why?

Getting prime is really easy

[tulip zenith]

They should change how different foods tame at hugely different rates. Shouldn't take 2 hours to tame something with a low quality food and 10 minutes with kibble. Kibble should mainly affect tame effectiveness.

[south lance]

im not slapping a diplo for 10 minutes straight

[untold ingot]

I really disagree with the idea of getting super fast easy tames, especially if it is something as op as a flier

[south lance]

something analogous to flyers, if they dont exist, should be easy to tame

so say a raptor but its actually fast enoufh to get somewhere

[untold ingot]

Iguanadons, or parasurs

Fliers should be harder to get, and take more gear to tame

[south lance]

or if speed is capped down in ark2 then even current raptor speed is fine

[untold ingot]

Crazy movement speed is an issue imo. Everything needs to slow down lol

[split dove]

imo hitting a flier in their wings should basicly count as headshot multipliers do, maybe ground them if dmgded enough

[south lance]

ya

[tulip zenith]

They should just nerf flier stam hard. Flier PvP is worst PvP imo.

[untold ingot]

Nerfing picks and weight is better imo

[south lance]

the worst pvp is the one where people have 800 weight and carry 40 sets of everything

[untold ingot]

And adding more damage zones and removing cryos

[south lance]

at least flyer pvp has a very low bar of entry

[split dove]

i hope player stat boosts are gone or super hard capped on those stats

[south lance]

only issue is that its skill ceiling is low too

[untold ingot]

And it makes every other pvp outside turrets into absolute trash

[south lance]

yes

[tulip zenith]

Cryos shouldnt of been pokeballs you can take out any time. It should be a huge machine like the cloning chamber to take them in or out.

[south lance]

but every other pvp has stupid high bar to even begin using usually

that or just get some friend to kit you up

[untold ingot]

Fliers need to be nerfed into the absolute ground

[south lance]

but then we dont really have to actually make a decent game

its just players fixing the devs mistakes

maybe thats what makes pvp ok in other sandboxes lol

[untold ingot]

Even disregarding pvp, the ease at which fliers are acquired and how op they are makes the pve trash too

[south lance]

pve is trash yeah

even outside fliers, fliers just save time

the game quality is so low on pve that i like fliers in that context

[untold ingot]

If fliers don't get nerfed, and if cryos aren't removed, then ark2 will be just like ark1

When it could be so much better

[south lance]

pray that creature AI makes the game more thinking based and less of a time commitment issue

thinking is more fun than roleplaying as an actual bot for hours

[untold ingot]

There will be time commitment. Ark is meant to be a persistent world game. Those need time commitments to be worth sticking around in

[south lance]

yes

but you can have more than just obtain more of low level resource

[untold ingot]

The worst time commitment in ark is just bps and stat mutations. The taming and everything else is fine

[split dove]

current ark aggro is just ''universe intelligence tracking'' or ''not noticing you when right next to it''

[untold ingot]

With bps gone, and a modular crafting requiring loads of special resources, and stat mutating gone in plave of a skill tree, most of the time commitment will be exploration, or farming harder to get items

[winged dome]

Then there's Therizino's 'target lowest level player on server, merge with their thatch hut until aggro'd'

[south lance]

eaely game is so short i dont know what to make of it

[winged dome]

I swear, they seek out structures to hang around

[south lance]

early game is nonexistent

[split dove]

they're up to causing a bit of tomfoolerly

[untold ingot]

Exactly, and having easy to aquire travel tames doesn't help keep earlygame around

[south lance]

depends on how easy end game ends up

[untold ingot]

Not really

Having something like a pt literally catapults you into end game

At least in ark1

[split dove]

''No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures.''
i hope trapping won't be the end-all-be-all solution for every tame like currently in Ark 1

[south lance]

i think the issue is that pve end game is dumb

it was never developed properly

its all just new tools and upgrades

[untold ingot]

I hope trapping isn't even really possible lol

[south lance]

its a pvp style endgame

[split dove]

made the knock-out tames even more boring tbh imo

[south lance]

ark end game was made for pvp basically

[untold ingot]

Ark was made for pvp

[south lance]

ya

but wasnt tek a late addition

[untold ingot]

How would you change it?

[south lance]

im not sure, youd need better pve challenges besides boss

[untold ingot]

Lateish, but early enough that it was pvp focused

[south lance]

rework bosses, add more adjacent pve challenges

dungeons for example

[untold ingot]

Making pve wild tames way more difficult?

[south lance]

and i think we had the convo before, but aratai fighting

thats literally all we need really

[untold ingot]

Yeah this topic always comes up lol

[split dove]

I hope some of the world events can also be end game worthy

[south lance]

make pve end game revolve around aratai

you can constantly change endgame and make it fresh

by just adding new ways to fight aratai

new aratai raid, fortresses, etc

idk how theyd actually get any of this to work

[split dove]

harder biomes should have harder aratai camps/raid places

[untold ingot]

I like those ideas

[south lance]

have they ever changed a map after it was released

like terrain wise

[untold ingot]

Island yeah

[south lance]

i think volcano?

[split dove]

don't think so besides island

[untold ingot]

I am sort of hoping that ark2 isn't maps though. I want just one map, with future dlc just being expansions to other islands

[south lance]

if they can do that with aratai structur3s

[untold ingot]

Or something similar

[south lance]

i would love various different forts to raid/conquer

even if they were temporary

id like more temporary shit anyhow

[split dove]

World events baby

[lavish rain]

I want different factions of aratai

Maybey a group taht supports humans

[verbal wind]

npc towns or cities

[split dove]

another group of bloodthirsty crackhead warriors, like the one from the first trailer

[untold ingot]

If the npcs are good then sure. If they are just random wander or stationary, then pls no

[south lance]

i want khornite aratai bros cutting throats at the alter and beefy as shit

absolutely insane one dimensional orcs

[split dove]

🧐

[south lance]

make fighting them really cool and stuff

i dont trust wc to make a typically "nuanced" view on baddies that doesnt seem really cliche

everything should be super simple lore wise, maybe if you want to hint at something deeper in a way thatll get lore nerds arguing for years because they only have 20 words of lore to work with

unfortunately for me this wont happen, aratai will probably start out as the baddies then we will feel bad after we killed a bunch of them and then we team up with the good aratai and kill the bad aratai and then go on to kill element or whatever

[winged dome]

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Old Man Rockwell?

[lavish rain]

Interrogation blocks assimilation

[lavish rain]

Somthing tells me 6 more times

[potent hull]

if wild card mad a gaming pc will the name be ark pc or wild card pc

[oak citrus]

Should add in a npc tribe of cannibals

[stray elm]

That's what the Aratai's are for

[oak citrus]

Ah ok

[lavish rain]

2023

We are in it's release window

[verbal wind]

we got another one! 🍻

[iron sequoia]

2023 is all we know.

[manic cosmos]

Surely VR support is better than Ark 1 only reason I no longer play it is cause VR support broken badly

[untold ingot]

Ark2 is third person. I doubt they will even have vr support

[tropic crag]

Was Ark in VR ever even good? Lmao

[ripe cedar]

vr on games not purely built for vr is basically always a gimmick thats doesn't/barely works

[blissful perch]

error #1: play any non arcade or horror game in VR

[ripe cedar]

well actually minecraft vr works pretty good

[blissful perch]

idk why people keep asking for VR in games that it would be horrendously suited for

[ripe cedar]

but besides that

they wan't to justify buying a $500-$1000 headset

[blissful perch]

hmm perhaps really simple building games can work in VR - I'll give it up

on the other hand, perhaps in 20 years we can play a dope ass souls game in VR...maybe it'll get sweaty people in shape

[untold ingot]

I have a feeling that that will never happen lol. Gamer people tend to not like physical exertion lol

[blissful perch]

I’m kinda hoping it’s a new audience

For now, and for ark 2 at least, it makes no sense to do VR

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[desert swallow]

Just played through Sons of the Forest, hoping they can match the feel and atmosphere of that survival game.

[elfin pumice]

I really like the building in SotF but i cant imagine it in a game like ark

It kinda ruins the sandbox feel in it

[blissful perch]

is it different from the forest?

[winged dome]

🍻

[lavish rain]

I'm down for physical exertion while I play vr call of duty

I'm a good gun shooter irl so I'd be smoking all of you

[blissful perch]

it would be cool to actually need to parry and strike

[mint swan]

Cringe VR die soon

[desert swallow]

Wasn't really speaking so much about exact details like building, just the look and feel and how the AI is.

[elfin pumice]

Its kind of the same but better made

[blissful perch]

I did love the idea of hauling actual logs

But if I had to do it thousands of times like ark 1 I’d cry lol

[tropic crag]

Yes, the building is revamped so you can freeform it, it's really good

I can stream it sometime if that would be something you'd like to see for yourself

[lime forge]

I would be into a VR Ark if it was made well enough to justify the purchase of a good headset.

I’ve been wanting to see VR since it was nothing more than a sci-fi concept

[blissful perch]

VR as is works great for some stuff, but it’s way too far behind for more micro control content like ark or a souls game

[lime forge]

I’d be ok with playing with a controller or something similar if it was still VR. I don’t need anything that wild to slake the want

[untold ingot]

Vr is still more a fun thing to see, it's not really supported. Mainly because of prohibitive costs which leads to a lack of funding games

[ripe cedar]

wait why would it remove the "sandbox feel"?

[covert tapir]

watching sotf makes me want to have those graphics for ark2

idk how likely the same graphic level is tho

[split dove]

with Unreal Engine 5 it can be better, is sotf made in UE5 or not?

[covert tapir]

i think its unity

[split dove]

Graphics from UE5 will likely be better
''Graphics: Both tools produce excellent graphics, but Unreal Engine is to go-to for the highest quality graphics and environmental details. Rendering: Unreal supports faster rendering than Unity, which can speed up post-processing and game development.''

[covert tapir]

so in theory we could get amazing graphics with ark2

we could

but will we

[split dove]

the renderd Trailers already looked breathtaking visually

[covert tapir]

well trailer is trailer xd

mc donalds menue looks good in the ad but digusting in rl

yes i am comparing ark2 to mcdonalds

lol

[split dove]

you're really going that low bc i mentioned the trailers?

[covert tapir]

however it still tastes good and thus, ark 2 will still be good

its a mcdonalds preach

[lavish rain]

Don't even bother flobs

[split dove]

i'm just happy with the changes coming in Ark 2 (no more auto clicker combat hopefully) and all other changes that will make the game more interesting.

[split dove]

i had to take a shit bc this man mentioned mcdonnalds, and i got PTSD from that ''sprite'' over there

[covert tapir]

damn, i actually annoyed you guys my bad

im just bored lol

[split dove]

i can still hear the kiosk beeping sound in my nightmares 🪓

[untold ingot]

You mean ark sotf or forest sotf lol. Because ark sotf is Ue4 still

[covert tapir]

sons of the forest of course

i replied to a sons of the forest message

[winged dome]

Besides, Ark's is tSotF 😂

[split dove]

we might know more with the roadmap next month. So far still just 2023, wich you could easily look up.

[potent hull]

will the game name after you be on the map to how to be flobs i her it will be a fun game lol

[vital vault]

@south lance check dm, I got locked out of discord

[winged dome]

🍻

[outer thunder]

Prost

[stiff lance]

do yall know how much ark 2 will cost?

[terse bison]

does anyone know what specs will be needed to run the game

[split dove]

since it's gonna be a early access game it will very likely cost less than a normal $60/70 game

[split dove]

no, but looking at upcoming new releases and their specs could give you an idea of what it might be

[terse bison]

alright thanks

[iron sequoia]

Money

[lavish rain]

Nah, we will be buying it with bottle caps

[split dove]

i'm buying my copy with used toenails

[untold ingot]

I was wondering where my collection went 🤨

[split dove]

shouldn't have told me your area code

[untold ingot]

My bad lol

[hexed drift]

is there an release date for this yet

[winged dome]

Currency ...
Currency never changes

[winged dome]

🍻

[hexed drift]

?

[winged dome]

Check the pins and grab a mug

[split dove]

i think i need to call an ambulance for the amount of alcohol poisoning from today

[south lance]

anyone know how good primitive plus was before they stopped updating it

seems relevant to ark2

convo was probably had alr but i wanna review it

[winged dome]

Never tried it, and kinda regret not giving it a chance

Just heard it was buggy and not really supported

[past wind]

They are trailers, but it’s said they are using actual assets from the game.

It means it is pre-rendered, but the characters and Dinos are from the game.

It’s like people using instagram filters 🤣

Some effects on the trailers may not be present on the game itself, but it won’t be that different

[split dove]

''Credit to Concept Art Lead Jesus Conde
@JesusCconcept and Clayton D’Mellon @TheArtDodo, Creature Lead Catherine Rokitka, and some from me of course. I’m lucky to be surrounded by so much talent and love for the craft. Trust me actual in-game one is EVEN BETTER''

i remember the people saying that creatures concept arts being shown meant they just started working on them recently 😂

[past wind]

Well it might mean the trailers are using old assets and the game is on a better state right now

[past wind]

Definitely people don’t know what they are talking about

[blissful perch]

It was amazing. New resources to farm, new craftables…and the PvE felt mildly more balanced without firearms just roasting everything

[split dove]

imo that carno concept was already pretty enough, but i got more confidence that the beauty will be taken further in game

[past wind]

To me, it depends on the animations

If they are good, it will look amazing

[blissful perch]

Agree with Charlie what’ll matter more is animations than polygons

Not just smoothness imo: animation diversity that makes these animals feel alive

[split dove]

yh, atleast the carno doesn't look like a burned sausage like the Ark 1 carno anymore

[past wind]

Yeah. Ark 1 imo is shitty on that matter 😂

[split dove]

let's hope it's better in Ark 2

[past wind]

99% it will be. 1% is the change they chose mediocrity

[blissful perch]

The newest creatures like the shadowmane are pretty good compared to the old ones

[split dove]

they've definitely gotten better over the years

[past wind]

That’s true. But it hurts to see herbivores walking 🤣

Brontos, mammoths etc

[blissful perch]

You don’t like bronto legs doing 360s?

[past wind]

Definitely not

[desert swallow]

It gives them character

[south lance]

how popular was it tho

[desert swallow]

Pretty popular at the beginning, but once it started losing dev support it dropped off

[past wind]

More popular than other modes

[desert swallow]

Was just on a server about half year ago (or so) and the servers are pretty dead

[past wind]

The no tames servers for example were super unpopular

[desert swallow]

People were trying to find the mythic rock drake saddle bp, because it wasn't part of the engrams

[south lance]

sounds good

[desert swallow]

Don't know if anyone ever did find one, you had to farm the ab surface with spinos and megalos

was super dicey

[past wind]

I think, depending on Ark 2 popularity m, they will try new modes. I think they experiment bringing back tech at some point. Personal feeling

Just like they tried primitive plus and classic servers

[winged dome]

Ark2: Primitive Tek Plus

[lavish rain]

This is what I want

[south lance]

devs will stop updating and ark3 will be ark2 tek pluss

[lavish rain]

I'd be ok with that

[elfin pumice]

Building is hard and very time consumimg

[untold ingot]

I am pretty sure Dollie said they won't do that at the start

[cerulean thistle]

when will ARK 2 come out

is there already a date announced?

[echo crag]

Around June is what they said but I wouldn’t trust wildcard on that release date

[untold ingot]

June is speculation. Wildcard never said any timeframe other than 2023

[cerulean thistle]

still so long ):

[restive vine]

Why is it taking so long for ARK 2 to be in a place to give a release date as Wildcard as per normal can not stick to a schedule for release dates & I wanted to believe that ARK 2 might have been them changing there lieing ways but so far they are sticking to there way as per the past so please give us more info as I am a long time ARK player & was so excited for something new but I am getting restless & demoralised with the lies.

[worldly garden]

Wildcard never said that at all.

[lime forge]

The urge to correct grammar is almost to much bear.

[tropic crag]

They haven't lied bro, chill lmao. Sure, they announced the game far too early, but that by no means necessitates them rushing it just because the current average gamer is the typical "I want the game NOW release it or I harass you and send threats", instant gratification, entitled generation.

Funny enough, those are usually the same people who are the most... "vocal", and also don't realize the error of their ways even when the game comes out unfinished, they just complain about it being unfinished too even though it's their own damn fault.

[split dove]

''if it isn't the results of my own actions''

[lime forge]

They actually announced a franchise wide road map next month as well. But that was probably a lie as well.

[tropic crag]

I emphasize "vocal", simply because I hardly consider spazzing out in some random forum vocalizing 🤣

[worldly garden]

People seem to easily misuse the term "lied". I wonder what they teach people in school these days.

[lime forge]

Ark 2 is probably a lie. They probably aren’t even developing another game, just lying about it to get more people buying Ark 1.

[split dove]

besides all the weird crap, i'm happy i'm not just going to high school and am already working

[lime forge]

Is that why nobody has been breeding and filling troughs?

[split dove]

and clearly basic reading comprehension isn't something they teach anymore it seems with some of these chatters

[worldly garden]

I mean even when I was in school 20+ years ago I knew what a "lie" was and why "intention" is an important aspect of lieing.

[lime forge]

How you gonna edit that and still leave “something something”

[split dove]

i got a life yh, working on finding a job again after my foot is healed

[split dove]

atleast it wasn't as horrible as that wall of text above us

[lime forge]

If one more person says lieing I’m gonna ping a mod and have all of us banned.

[short fulcrum]

A very expensive lie considering they had to hire vin diesel, make multiple cinematic trailers and concept art

[echo crag]

I know it’s just speculation but it’s definitely in 23

[short fulcrum]

Lieing

[lime forge]

Vin Diesel was a cover up.

[short fulcrum]

[split dove]

they just needed somebody that looked like the default male bob

[lime forge]

He was never brought in. Think about it. Have you ever heard Vin discuss anything Ark related?

[split dove]

they only message him to retweet the trailers

[worldly garden]

Yeah they said 2023, that's it.

[short fulcrum]

Vin diesel is the ark default character lol

[split dove]

just with added grunt vocal options

[worldly garden]

He's definitely mentioned ARK stuff over on his Instagram.

[short fulcrum]

If you translate that from wildcard to english it's 2025

[lime forge]

That’s a deep fake instagram ran by Ced and Dollie.

[ionic meteor]

I wonder if we get to play as him in multiplayer or singleplayer (not the story mode)

if so then I can only imagine a bunch of vin diesels running around

modded servers finna go crazy lol

[lime forge]

I don’t think we will ever be playing as Vin

[worldly garden]

No I don't think so either. So many people are convinced we'll all play as him which is silly. I am very curious about character creation though because it is one thing that they have not mentioned at all.

[ripe cedar]

I mean im sure you can look pretty similar with character creator

[blissful perch]

They haven’t mentioned an awful lot lol, though I agree aesthetics have been mentioned the least

[lavish rain]

Yeah it's a con

[lavish rain]

Work through the pain

[lavish rain]

How dare you expose me

I call lawyer

[split dove]

you better call saul

[lavish rain]

No ill call my own lawyer

[untold ingot]

I am here, what lawyering do you need?

[lavish rain]

I'm suing brusing pikmin for defamation

[untold ingot]

Oh, well

He isn't wrong...

[winged dome]

🍻

[unborn galleon]

Ark 2 demo where?

[untold totem]

WC HQ

[lavish rain]

Breaking and entering?

[untold totem]

I mean

They asked where

And I answered

[unborn galleon]

am going to break in and get the demo

[split dove]

a demo of the new vr prison simulator

[lavish rain]

Ok what's your plan

[unborn galleon]

Easy. Am contacting the Guys who leaked Gta6 and pay them to hack

😆😆😆

[lavish rain]

He's in prison

[stray elm]

Yeah, didn't he get arrested after it?

[mint swan]

Wait is there an actual ark 2 being made or is this a meme?

[flint flame]

Supposedly in development, but it’s wc y’know it won’t be for a while

[lavish rain]

It's a meme

[mint swan]

Bro it sounds so bad already.

“Souls like combat”.

How is that gonna translate to multiplayer, Dino pvp, etc?

[lavish rain]

Sighs

[covert tapir]

yeah they should totally keep the perma clicking till one of the 60k hp rexes dies

[mint swan]

Makes more sense than having my rex do parry.

[covert tapir]

a rex getting bit 100 times by another rex and living is making less sense than a rex trying to dodge something

[mint swan]

Yeah but if you don’t want that don’t play ark, it’s not hard.

[covert tapir]

well looks like if you dont want that dont play ark 2 babe

[mint swan]

I don’t understand the take of changing the entire game.

[stray elm]

Same could be said with ARK-2.
Don't like it? Don't play it.

[mint swan]

I will be just to see what it’s like.

[covert tapir]

cause its called ark 2 you might not believe it, its a new game

[mint swan]

I never said I don’t like it I just asked how it’s gonna go like.

[covert tapir]

.

[mint swan]

You’re obviously pretty overaggressive about it.

[stray elm]

Yeah, you kind of did.

[mint swan]

Yeah sounds bad.

Sounds like it’s gonna flop and be shit.

[covert tapir]

im sorry lol

[mint swan]

Never said I wouldn’t play it. 😎

[covert tapir]

ark 1 is shit in many ways and its still alright

i apologized lol

[stray elm]

How I'm assuming it's going to work, is that the souls-combat is going to be mostly human-based, since I assume stuff like rexes and shit will be harder to get.
There's also the Aratai's, which are humanoid NPC's you'll be fighting against, so the combat could be for them and players.

[mint swan]

Ok so if, by your logic. Dark souls 1 was how it is and Dark souls 2 was a fps multiplayer matched based game. That would make total sense.

The premise change is bizarre.

[covert tapir]

this is your first day on ark discord and your already whining, get a grip

[mint swan]

You’re* but nice try I guess?

[stray elm]

Dino-wise, I have no idea.
I could see a raptor strafing to the left and right, but it'd be a bit weird to see a rex do that.

[mint swan]

I’ve been playing for years mate. 🤦‍♂️

[covert tapir]

thats not my point, my point is you whining the second you go into ark discord

[stray elm]

Large stuff like rexes could be like wearing heavy armor in souls-games. You can't really roll but you do BIG damage.

[mint swan]

That would make sense but again, why as a company would you make such drastic changes in a sequel. 🤦‍♂️

[stray elm]

Cause that's what sequels are for

[covert tapir]

because ark 1 is in need of a change in many ways

[stray elm]

Not just copy and pastes of the same game like most companies do now a days.

[mint swan]

You probably don’t understand the concept of continuity so please stop talking.

[mint swan]

Yeah but why not put work into ark 1 and fix bugs and shit?

Makes 0 sense making a new game with the state of the first.

[fallow niche]

Definitely, but also hesitant for the 3rd person only.

[stray elm]

Why do you need continuity for sequels?
If that's the case, then every Fallout game past 2 are shit since they're not all top-down RPG's.

[covert tapir]

because if you know ark 1 that would require making the game from scratch again, which is about as time consuming as making ark 2

[mint swan]

Concept is the same.

[stray elm]

Right, but look how well Fallout 3 and New-Vegas did within the new playstyle.

[fallow niche]

They are fixing what can be fixed in ark 1, but it's been 8 years. Time for something new.

[covert tapir]

as long as k camera mode isnt a thing anymore idc what view we have lol

[mint swan]

Epic but if I wanted dark souls mixed with assassins creed I’d just play those games.

It seems like too big of a jump.

[fallow niche]

Personally I use it to make buildings line uo but I see your point

[stray elm]

Yeah, the 3rd-person and the fear that it'll only stay in the primitive era is my worries.

[covert tapir]

but they dont have dinosaurs do they

do you have a dodo in assasins creed?!??

[stray elm]

Then again, don't play ARK-2?
ARK-1 still will exist.

[mint swan]

Also how are you gonna use developers who have worked on ark 1 for 8 years and tell them to make a souls game.

[covert tapir]

there is a new team its not just the old one my boy

[fallow niche]

I play 3rd a lot, but I also just am not sure about it always. I don't actually mind the primitive stuff.

[covert tapir]

what do you think how dumb wildcard is

[stray elm]

Souls-like doesn't mean it'll be 100% a souls game.
Conan has souls-like combat.

[covert tapir]

they are not for the most part

[fallow niche]

It's not a souls game

You can have your opinions but keep it ark 2, not rant on wildcard for not fixing ark 1

[stray elm]

I think you'll mind it when there's nothing but primitive stuff for 8+ years, compared to ARK-1 where it had actual progression.

[mint swan]

Bro why you delete my shit?

[covert tapir]

damn our messages getting deleted left and right

[fallow niche]

Can also be respectful

[covert tapir]

we gotta chill

[fallow niche]

I might, depends on the gameplay 😂

[mint swan]

Bruh.

[covert tapir]

lololol

[fallow niche]

Move on please, thanks.

[mint swan]

:|

[stray elm]

Taming creatures and progressing through the Eras are the two things ARK is known for. (and the bugs)
Removing one of these will defiantly not make me buy the game. (besides the bugs)

[fallow niche]

I'm hoping "primitive" just means no tek tbh

They haven't really given us a lot to go on

[stray elm]

Why?
Again, tek had no issues if it wasn't for it being poorly added.

[covert tapir]

im pretty sure there still are Eras but like a weaker version of the indi forge being maximum

[fallow niche]

Primitive like just spears and no guns? Or primitive as in guns, metal tier and stuff but no further?

[covert tapir]

we ll see how they revamp the engram system

[stray elm]

Honestly, I hope they add a new sci-fi tier called 'tech' just out of spite to everyone. 💀

[stray elm]

Primitive with just spears

[fallow niche]

That'd be rude lmao

[covert tapir]

tbh hate is gonna be there anyway they might as well just do it lmao

[verbal wind]

more decor options please

[covert tapir]

yes,

[stray elm]

True.
Might as well readd it, right?

[verbal wind]

especially for later tiers

[covert tapir]

if i see one of those castle keeps mods with their disgustingly big file sizes im gonna quit it lol, just implement normal decor

i dont want every server to have 10 mods of ckf variants

[mint swan]

The thing I’m most concerned about is how pvp and base raids are gonna go, since souls doesn’t really have any large/medium scale player on player.

[stray elm]

Again, Conan is an example of large-scale souls-like battles

[verbal wind]

ckf is great tho

[fallow niche]

Mods are only going to be for unofficials anyway, plus file sizes should be better

[stray elm]

What does that have to do with mods?

[mint swan]

What’s Conan?? 💀

[stray elm]

Google exists

[covert tapir]

i like the fond switch haha

[verbal wind]

conan exiles

[stray elm]

Conan Exiles

[mint swan]

Ye so is Conan the game, the streamer, the football player, etc?

[verbal wind]

fun game, but lacks dinosaurs

[stray elm]

'Conan Exiles'

[mint swan]

Like great point mate I know shit exists, don’t need to be sarcastic. 😬

[fallow niche]

Generally the game.

[covert tapir]

did you think someone wants to convince you that conan the fottball gamer is a large soulslike multipmayer

[mint swan]

Bro google Conan and see what comes up homie. 🤦‍♂️

[fallow niche]

In this channel it will basically always be comparing the games.

Chill

[stray elm]

We're talking about another video-game, so use process of elimination.

[mint swan]

So how does a 5 year old game by funcom have to do with anything?

[stray elm]

It had souls-like combat on a large scale.

[mint swan]

Ye ok.

[stray elm]

Which is exactly what you where talking about earlier.

[mint swan]

But for ark it’s a lot of different stuff too, i just don’t know how they’re going to go from ark 1 to the proposed idea of ark 2.

Also idea seems a lot more susceptible to bugs, and wildcard doesn’t really like fixing those.

[covert tapir]

what you need to know is noone of us can imagine how ark 2 will play with multiple tames soulsliking each other and we can only guess which else fighting features will make it and we just have to hope wildcard pulls it off

[covert tapir]

plenty of bugs cannot be fixed

because the base of ark1 is a tragedy

[mint swan]

That is true, even for 2015 the base was totally trash.

[covert tapir]

but ark2 is being build properlly and therefore will exceed ark 1 by a ton no matter how bad they f it up

and i can assure you when ark 2 comes out

you wont get a single fight without a bug

im 100 %sure it will be the case

[mint swan]

Not necessarily, since most modern games right now launch unfinished, trashy and very rough. It’ll probably be ok, but I don’t know if it’s going to be another wildcard habit of 3 years later it’s great.

[covert tapir]

graphics for example could be godly

[mint swan]

Graphics would definitely be better.z

[covert tapir]

thats why im saying the bugs

[winged dome]

🍻

[covert tapir]

yesterday we talked about how sons of the forest probably has worse graphics than ark 2 will have

and i think sons of the forest graphic is already bonkers

[mint swan]

Aren’t they made on the same engine though?

[covert tapir]

no

ark 2 is ue5
sons of forest is unity

[mint swan]

Oh makes sense.

[stray elm]

It's pretty damn good.

And that's before stuff like Lumen and Nanite

[covert tapir]

its also very well optimized, i do hope ark 2 will be aswell

i really have lots of hope n

that ark2 will be a banger

[stray elm]

Optimized, yeah.
Issues, no.

I've seen a lot of glitches.
To be expected from an Early-Access title.
Just impressed how well the game runs

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 isn't real

The roadmap is a cover up

[wild kraken]

hopefully ark 2 has a lot more pvp and alot less farming kinda like rust

i think that was the main issue with ark 1 is whoever farmed more and had better tames just insta won

• the rng system was stupid with like the drops and mutations and stuff

just made the game so less fun to see people with 120 armor saddles winning only because of that

[untold ingot]

I mean, there are some significant differences between ark and rust. The rust gameplay loop is balanced out over a week or two. Ark is intended to be permanent

If they are winning because of their saddles only, then you aren't playing right

[wild kraken]

i have over 2k hours

i think i know what im talking about lmao

[untold ingot]

And?

I have like double that on 1x pvp lol

[wild kraken]

well then you would know how much saddles influenced fights

i play small tribes and it was almost impossible to win mana duels

[untold ingot]

They aren't the deciding factor usually, especially more recently with gen2

[wild kraken]

thats why building up somewhere that isnt a rathole was just silent

[untold ingot]

Net, flame... Easy

Or net, pop giga, ez

[wild kraken]

i quit before gen 2

[untold ingot]

Manas are actually trash now

[wild kraken]

started playing rust so much more fun

[wild kraken]

whats meta now

[untold ingot]

It's a different style of game

[wild kraken]

not really but yes really

[untold ingot]

Stegos lol

[wild kraken]

brov what

[untold ingot]

It's entirely different

[wild kraken]

it is u right

[untold ingot]

Ark and rust are different genres that just happen to have some slight similarities

[wild kraken]

like i miss a time where bola pvp was actually a thing

and nobody knew how to play

[untold ingot]

Bola pvp is the worst type of pvp lol, it's as bad as flame pvp

[wild kraken]

i loved it

because i was cracked at it lel

[untold ingot]

Because it's easy if you hit one bola

[wild kraken]

thats why i really hope ark 2 doesnt flop

[untold ingot]

I don't anticipate bolas to be a thing lol

[wild kraken]

neither do i lol

im just so ready to become cracked at ark 2 so i can make videos on it

hyped for the even playing ground

[untold ingot]

It won't be even lol

[wild kraken]

how wont it be

you mean zergs?

[untold ingot]

People are going to go in with big tribes and lots of practice playing together. It's going to get pretty crazy right off the bat

[wild kraken]

yeah zergs

but the thing is im probably gonna go solo

because all my ark friends are gone lmfao

but when everybody is new to the game i hope i can find some fellow gamers

[untold ingot]

I would suggest making new ones lol. I don't know if they are going to have a smalls cluster immediately, it might just be a 1x for a bit.

[wild kraken]

hopefully its around the same as ark 1

where it was 1x and then smalls and arkpocalypse came ouy

[untold ingot]

There is no telling

It could even be an entirely different format of game too

[wild kraken]

how would you reccomend even making new ark friends lmfao

maybe i go on mts and just lfg

idk

major thing is i dont have gen 2 on steam so

[untold ingot]

Recruitment channels are a thing

[wild kraken]

also i really hope they open ark 2 with multiple maps instead of adding 9000 dlcs after the fact

[untold ingot]

Theres lots of ways they could do it. I am hoping for more of an atlas type of map, so it's huge, but all basically the same

There is no telling what it'll be like yet. We don't have enough info

[wild kraken]

i just really hope the extinction incident doesnt happen and that all maps are balanced

[stray elm]

Yeah, I don't want a huge map though.
Once you get so large of a map, actual artistic details start to be sacrificed for procedurally generated maps.

[wild kraken]

when extinction first came out everything but rag was basically worthless

[untold ingot]

It's better than feeling cramped

[untold ingot]

Literally every dlc ever did that lol

[stray elm]

Nah, I'd honestly rather feel cramped with a nice looking map.

[untold ingot]

I want space

[wild kraken]

true except for abb

[stray elm]

Go to Genesis-2's space biome then.

[stray elm]

Nah, Abb also did some shitty things

[untold ingot]

Lol, you don't remember reapers wiping everything?

[stray elm]

Remember the railgun was able to shoot through walls?

[wild kraken]

yeah but nothing like exctinction

[untold ingot]

Also, the tek beds were insane

Every dlc has had its share of broken things, except maybe lost island. And I anticipate it to be the same in ark2. New dlc are going to add new and broken tames and mechanics

[blissful perch]

Some are more broken than others…the DLC that added manas and cryopods also added titans and insanely OP velos

[untold ingot]

And then it got nerfed, and people still want it back

[wild kraken]

lava golem became a joke

manas dominated the meta for years

also i really REALLY HOPE ark 2's anticheat works

because cheaters are a huge issue

[blissful perch]

Agree Saltex

I think ark 2 pvp is gonna be as scuffed as ark 1 pvp if cheaters can run free

[stray elm]

Honestly, I hope Wildcard is able to convince Snail to stay with ARK-1 and just run those official servers, while Wildcard properly run the ARK-2 servers with actual moderation

[blissful perch]

ah wouldn't that be nice

[stray elm]

'Optimism be like-'

[blissful perch]

i would like to see more care made to pve balance though

[potent hull]

i hop to not see Pillaring in ark 2 let Pillaring die with ark 1

[blissful perch]

I’d say that’s less balance issue and more a server issue

It’s not broken…but it’s extremely unfun for PvE

[potent hull]

yes it is un fun is ark version of the un fun police 😂

[desert swallow]

They can fix it by allowing tribes to claim areas like in No Man's Sky

[potent hull]

then the hole server will be one big tribe

[desert swallow]

you put a limit on it.

square units of space on the server per tribe, if map is big enough you'd need hundreds if not thousands of tribes to block it all off. And if you require a maintenance on the claim it would become a logistical nightmare and massive time sink.

but yes, I know this chat is infamous for taking one sentence and jumping to the extremes.

[past wind]

Yeah, I’ve been saying claimable lands would be an awesome feature.

And you don’t even need to look to No Man’s Sky. There’s already an “in-house” example. Atlas has a claiming system.

Also it should be kinda easy to lose those lands to other players if you don’t log in the map very often

[mighty lion]

I could see that work well in pve

daily/ weekly missions with xp/resource rewards would be cool

[lavish rain]

How tf would they do rescorce rewards? Unless hexagons return 👀

[mighty lion]

I mean it could just be claim style resource dumb that other games have. Like " 100 metal"

[untold ingot]

Pls no hexagons

Could be a currency to bribe aratai or something

[mighty lion]

As in mission rewards:

1000 xp
200 metal
50 stone

Claim?
Expiration: 24:00:00

[lavish rain]

I actually like this idea

I like bribes

[untold ingot]

Of course you do lol

[lavish rain]

What mission don't you dare tell me its like mobile with pursuits

[lavish rain]

Woah there what gave it away

[untold ingot]

If it's like mobile it'll be terrible. Mobile games are literally a money grab scheme.

[mighty lion]

Huh? Missions could be random things

[untold ingot]

That sounds suspiciously like a battle pass 🤨

[mighty lion]

Lol not talking about the call of duty model, no tiered system depending on what you pay

[untold ingot]

Good, because cod is a scam

[mighty lion]

Yeah, it's not really worth what you pay. Just glitchy reskins

[lavish rain]

Bring back tek

[untold ingot]

Or not

[lavish rain]

Complete the missions

[untold ingot]

I never want to see tek again

[lavish rain]

Hostile operator detected, legal forces engaged

[untold ingot]

I am your lawyer, soo that doesn't work lol

[lavish rain]

You aren't my lawyer

[untold ingot]

Oh, lol

Did I get fired?

[lavish rain]

🔫

[ionic meteor]

You sure about that? pretty sure the steam page kinda made it obvious thats going to be the case but for multiplayer I don't think so, just story-mode.

IF we don't get to control big bald vin in the story-mode then who do we play as? Meeka?

[lavish rain]

Our own character

I'd fry my legs if we played as meeka, only 1 cinematic trailer and I already hate her guts

[ionic meteor]

Maybe thats the case because they haven't really sold that idea really that much.

[lime forge]

We also don’t know that there’s gonna be a “story mode”

[ionic meteor]

I won't forget when she stuck her tongue out on a T rex

[ionic meteor]

Its the first thing you read on the steam page so idk

[lavish rain]

Gosh darn fliter

[lavish rain]

Low iq move on her part

[ionic meteor]

Or maybe we play as a cloned paul walker

[lime forge]

There’s nothing in steam that mentions a separate game mode for the story.

I’ll bet if it’s possible tons of people are gonna run around as Paul walker haha

[ionic meteor]

What do you think the story is gonna look like? because at this point i'm starting to doubt having a full blown God of war style story mode playing as vin.

sorry but those are high expectations right there 😂

[lime forge]

I think it’ll be similar to missions in Genesis. But instead of going to a terminal you’re going to someone like Vin. If not that I would imagine it’s not gonna be much different than any other rpg with quest givers.

[ionic meteor]

I'm thinking maybe similar to GTA Online with its missions? like you go to a place and go on a mission with vin along your buddies on a private server thing.

I highly doubt we'll be able to see vin diesel standing in-person in a random location 'waiting' in the middle of a server lol

[lime forge]

I’m guessing he’s gonna be in his tribes village and you’ll go there to be sent on quests. Occasionally he will join for the more important parts of the story.

I’m honestly hoping for something like that at least.

A safe zone where you go for quests and trades.

[ionic meteor]

Yeah maybe safe zones could work

My prediction for the story: The story chapters starts GTA Online style where you go to a safezone and get to decide wither you like to play alone or with friends.

As of how long will it be? chances are its probably going to be short not even surpassing 6 hours of story content with future DLCs expanding the story ARK 1-Style with an overarching story with vin repsiring his role along with other new characters.

[lime forge]

I’m hoping it stays far away from anything GTA related.

Id rather it be more like Elder Scrolls

[ionic meteor]

Yeah but you forgot you can actually build stuff in this game, imagine someone building around a mission start point or vin, already happened with people blocking artifacts in ARK 1.

[thorn willow]

Man I just need ark 2 fr fr need that nostalgia back

[lime forge]

There’s several ways around that.

[lavish rain]

I'm pretty sure they already tried with gen1

[lime forge]

Ark 1 is not the limit of possibilities here.

[lavish rain]

Then what is

[lime forge]

The developers talents and creativity is the only real limiting factor. Ark 2 is not Ark 1. Reasoning that something can’t be done in Ark 2 because it wasn’t done in Ark 1 is short sighted.

[lavish rain]

It's suppose to be genre defining game

If the roadmap delays it to 2024 I will tweak out HARD

[lime forge]

For example, building in an area where a mission takes place wouldn’t matter at all if during the mission you’re in a separate instance.

Yeah, I’ll be pretty upset as well. But at this point I’d be be happy to at least have the verification.

[lavish rain]

No

No ill super tweak out

I will give them fucking money

[lavish rain]

Why didn't they do it with gen1 then. They clearly had the tech as shown in gen2

[lime forge]

Idk. There’s a world full of possible reasons. Could be Arks code, could be they never thought of it. Its for sure not because it isn’t possible though.

[lavish rain]

The data heist get more tempting day after day

You said March 11. If we don't get shit then I will convince the internet to boycott ark

[proud chasm]

[untold ingot]

They didn't do it with gen1 due to a lack of experience in doing things like missions. Gen2 shows they learned

[stray elm]

Like Raq said, experience.

(now, please for the love of all fuck. Give us actual story-missions, like akin to Destiny and shit. Then a goddamn mini-game that has some random objective tied to our goal.)

[untold ingot]

I mean, enough of them play destiny to do that lol

[blissful perch]

cuts to me secretly wishing we see some PvE extraction shooter styled missions

[hard hearth]

Ark 2 gameplay trailern release 2024 and game 2025

[lime forge]

Nah March 11th

[worldly garden]

You said you dreamed March 11th, but you didn't say you dreamed March 11th 2023. 😉

[split dove]

anyways, he dreams it's on a community crunch day, so the chances of him potentially being right are at least 1/5

[lime forge]

I seen it on March 11th in my dream. But I’m a day behind WC announcements due to my work schedule so it would have been officially announced on the 10th

Of 2023

Im willing to place wagers on this with anyone other than Fox because he doesn’t pay up when he loses.

[worldly garden]

lol my money is still on 17th with it being the 4 week reveal date. But knowing WC it will be Friday 31st and people in Europe/Oceania will complain they lied because for them it would be 1st April.... which itself is a bad date! 🤣

[lime forge]

I swear to god if they play any bs involving Ark 2 on April fools day I will personally travel to their hq and play harmless yet infuriating pranks on everyone in that place.

[ripe cedar]

We all have a little lotus in us at the end of the day

[lime forge]

I’ll fill every single vent in every single developers car with 20$ worth of glitter.

[split dove]

speak for yourselfs 🤨 🚬

[ionic meteor]

Speaking of dreams I just had a weird dream I kid you not I was with someone who was playing what looked like ARK 2, he was playing in first-person and he was looking at 3 dino babies who had a unique model instead of just the normal one.

So first-person is confirmed it was revealed to me in my dream lol

[split dove]

you people make lotus and his schizo shenanigans look normal

[ionic meteor]

Loadedcrysis is typing...

[torn terrace]

When does this goofy ass ark 2 shit drop been many moons

[worldly garden]

It's only been 1 moon over and over again.

[split dove]

shh, remember the data of the collective iq for ark players? ☕

[south lance]

nonsensical grammar ong bruh fr

[split dove]

they should hire me for communications with the playerbase, i will give them nothing as they're always angry when they communicate with us. i will only give info to the sane people over here. Vote for me as the new head of Wildcard communication.

[untold totem]

you mean taking @cunning talon 's job?

[split dove]

obviously

[lavish rain]

I've considered bribery

[lavish rain]

Oh, more then just a bit

[lavish rain]

I would like this. Tarkov survival

[woven shuttle]

already been done. (Not rly official but yk what i mean, its ark)

[woven shuttle]

I like the way you think. Coming from a background of shooter games, I love this idea

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

Having instanced dungeon missions that offer unique rewards would be a great way to improve ark 2 replayability

It certainly beats the giga cringe activity of mutation stacking

[ionic meteor]

Fun Fact: Every time you watch the ARK 2 trailer you get 66 seconds closer to early-access launch.

[minor prism]

Ffs 😂 that’s dumb af but true lmao

[untold ingot]

Me breaking the system by watching it on 2x speed

[ionic meteor]

Wow I just realized that trailer had 5 million views, thats more views than the actual gameplay for starfield which was revealed at the same event.

[ripe cedar]

Well it is shorter

[untold ingot]

I have never heard of starfield, obviously ark wins

[ripe cedar]

Most people these days watch a 1 minute video over a 15 minute one

[cinder belfry]

has gameplay been released yet? if not any idea when?

[ripe cedar]

Uh

Eventually

[ionic meteor]

Yeah but still is an amazing feat to accomplish.

Its always great knowing this game is on people's radar

[ripe cedar]

Well the starfield trailer has over 3 times the views

Thats more comparable

[ionic meteor]

Thats fair

[untold ingot]

What is starfield?

[ripe cedar]

Bethesda space game

[ionic meteor]

Fallout in space.

[cinder belfry]

the nft game?

[ripe cedar]

What?

[ionic meteor]

Yoo what lol

[cinder belfry]

nvm i thought it was a game with nfts in it

[ripe cedar]

So will starfield have 16x the detail of fallout 76?

[ionic meteor]

Hopefully yeah.

[winged dome]

nft?

[split dove]

we could know more about when they show gameplay/the release window with the roadmap that should normally be shown in March covering the whole Ark franchise with ARK 1, ARK2 and the animated series.

[potent hull]

way to keep a cold head flobs we just need time for the rd map to com soon soon it will

[lavish rain]

76 wasn't bad, then again I never played a proper fallout game before that

[winged dome]

76 as a game itself isn't terrible, but 76 as a Fallout game was pretty awful on release, but is slowly getting better

The Fallout series has been pretty beloved for good story, quests, dialogue, and mechanics

76 botched three of those, and the fourth wasn't much better

[lavish rain]

If we don't get at the very least some info on the roadmap by the 3rd what kind of tweaking out should I do

[split dove]

you're allowed to tweak out if it hasn't been shown at the end of the month

[potent hull]

i am going to be 30 next month

[high oak]

Happy bornday

[stray elm]

Fuck it, better then 'do a barrel roll'

[blissful perch]

If that mission wasn’t so buggy I’d have liked it more

[lavish rain]

If the controls on controller weren't fucked it'd be fun

Miracle I finished it on alpha

[mint swan]

i hope the movement for ark 2 is more natural and not weird looking, the way character run in ark is like a cartoon.

[stray elm]

Since it'll be third-person only, I think it'll probably have better movement

[mint swan]

WHAT

u cant toggle?

running in 3rd person in ark 1 is a meme

[stray elm]

Different game, man

Read the storepage

[mint swan]

Thats what OW2 said

[stray elm]

OW2?

[split dove]

not another one of these stupid takes -__-

[mint swan]

lol overwatch 2

[stray elm]

Bruh, have you seen the trailer?

It's literally a fucking new game.
New engine, new graphics, new gameplay, new mechanics.

It's not a port of the same game, but with a title slapped on.

[mint swan]

Ive seen the cinematic game Trailer

[stray elm]

That's what the UE5 upgrade for ARK-1 is for.

[stray elm]

Which has in-game assets

[mint swan]

Didnt know there was real gameplay footage

[split dove]

not yet, we might get a date for the gameplay with the roadmap coming in March

[stray elm]

No, no, no.
Point of those trailers is that they're in-engine trailers using assets from the game.
What you see is the game, but in a cinematic format.

Does it look like ARK-1?

[mint swan]

You cant really base a game off of a cinematic trailer tho. Just bc they paid a bag for the cinematics to be fire.

i cant tell

[stray elm]

Bruh, they literally confirmed it's using in-game assets.
Graphically, it already looks nothing like ARK-1

[mint swan]

doesnt matter, i wont be able to play it til late 2024 anyway

[stray elm]

Then why're you asking?

[mint swan]

I dont remember asking anything actually

i made a statement and u decided to comment on it lmao?

[stray elm]

You're correct, that's my bad.
But none the less. Why're worried about it when you wont be able to get it till next year?

And why do you need to wait till next year?

[mint swan]

Because all big games get pussshed back

[stray elm]

It already got pushed back twice, so there's that.

They might go for a third, but Wildcard never delays a 4th time. (that I can recall)

[split dove]

wasn't it just only pushed back once from 2022 to 2023? idek how you come to 2 delays so far

[stray elm]

I believe it was originally suppose to come out in 2021, then 2022, then now 2023.

[split dove]

no, the first trailer said 2022, and then the second one with the delay until this year

[stray elm]

Holy shit

IGN changed their fucking bio for their ARK-2 trailer xD

"God of War eat your heart out, Vin Diesel stars in this otherworldly prehistoric action adventure game."

💀

[split dove]

[stray elm]

You're right, it does say 2022

[mint swan]

Let's hope they random drop it in April

[stray elm]

We're suppose to get a roadmap next month, so there's that at least

[split dove]

and said roadmap might/could have dates/time windows on when we can expect gameplay and possibly the release as well

[stray elm]

Yep

[nocturne raptor]

What month this year they releasing ark 2

[blissful perch]

I suspect Q4 2023 at the earliest tbh

[winged dome]

🍻

[nocturne raptor]

I guess we will never know

[orchid arch]

any news on if ark 2 will have intergrated S +

[nocturne raptor]

Idk

[lavish rain]

Q3

[lavish rain]

Otherworldly prehistoric are 2 words that shouldn't be combined

[stray elm]

Why?

[lavish rain]

Alien, prehistory?

[split dove]

it's IGN, did you expect them to have a description that makes sense?

[stray elm]

How do those two not make sense?

[split dove]

i could somewhat understand why they said ''prehistory''. mainly 1) Dinos and other extinct stuff and 2) the whole ''primarily primitive'' look/feel. but we ain't in the prehistory time period no more

[night sinew]

I guess ill finally be buying a new xbox. Ive had the the first one and never got a new one.

[untold ingot]

Seeing as s+ is a mod intrinsically dependant on the building mechanics in ark1, and the building in ark2 being very different, no s+ will not be in ark2. But there might be a similar mod that gets developed

[verbal wind]

never know if someone could make a mod in ark2 called s+

[past wind]

Unless we went into an wormhole and we are actually in the past

But, I mean, maybe Arat is still on a prehistoric state, the Aratai don't look an advanced civilization to me. They look like prehistoric human beings

[stray elm]

Technically, the planet is prehistoric compared to Earth

Aratai's still have a lot of room to evolve and become smarter, so they're most likely a fragment of what they could become.

[untold ingot]

Pls don't give the devs the idea of aratai in tek suits

[stray elm]

Actually, now I do want them to have that idea.

@fickle flame Give the Aratai's tek-suits, but keep us primitive.

ARK-2: Everyone Is a Beachbob

[untold ingot]

Sounds like a nightmare

[stray elm]

It just sounds like official

[split dove]

Yh makes more sense tbh, my brain doesn't function well from 4 hours of sleep today

[untold ingot]

Fair point lol

[untold totem]

ATLAS Aimbot NPC intensifies

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[lavish rain]

What if they are secretly just as advanced as 21st century but we fought the"africa" of the planet

Picture an aratai in an m1 Abrams

[stray elm]

That.....would actually be an interesting plot point

[lavish rain]

Then we get forced into using tek in order to save our species

But make it mission specific to please the peasents

[lavish rain]

This would be be a better plot point then "Unga bunga" species or tek tier orcs, it's right in the middle

[potent hull]

sorry we have rename tek to tek shifter or tek leg lol

[lavish rain]

What?

[stray elm]

Again, I don't know half the shit Blades says

[lime forge]

Yeah Blades should come with an encryption key

[winged dome]

En-cryption, or de-cryption? 😂

[lavish rain]

And yall call me the crazy one

[short fulcrum]

I really hope the aratai have AI as good as, or even better than
the enemy AI in sons of the forest
Imagine if every single aratai has its own personally and can remember every interaction you had with it
And maybe you could even develop alliances and trade with certain aratai tribes

[untold ingot]

That would be a loooooot of storage space lol, unless there is a really easy way to condense it down

[ionic meteor]

Would be very cool but again its easier said than done, such complex AI system will take a lot of time to develop

[lime forge]

I’m hoping the Aratai are all just straight up blood thirsty savages with absolutely no sense of reasoning.

[ionic meteor]

The first teaser trailer showed just that.

[lime forge]

I know. I don’t want them to have any good side. Just straight up evil incarnate.

[ionic meteor]

I honestly am not expecting the aratai to be very complex and smart really, they're more likely going to be the generic AI you stumble across in any other games.

[untold ingot]

The easiest way I could think of for having aratai remember things without wasting memory or computation would be a sequence of bitwise tags. Hypothetically you could code a simple personality into a single int64, but that would be really complicated and gross to do

[lime forge]

Hopefully they’re born like the orcs in lord of the rings too.

Just pulled out of some grime fully grown and all murdery

[untold ingot]

That just sounds very unoriginal imo

[lime forge]

I’d hate to have to delete a village full of women and children Aratai

[ionic meteor]

Maybe they'll be like the pillagers in minecraft in terms of AI thinking, just roam around and if they see you they attack but still remain a low-threat

[untold ingot]

I don't want a low threat

I want a high threat lol

[ionic meteor]

Wildcard seem to love lords of the rings, a lot of things in that franchise have made it in the game like the orc designs looked a lot like those in ARK 2.

[lime forge]

They probably won’t even end up being a threat

I’d imagine by mid game they’re nothing more than one more nuisance under foot

[untold ingot]

I am hoping for more than that tbh

[ionic meteor]

Exactly what I was about to say.

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t get my hopes up. Improved or not, at the end of the day AI is just AI. It’s a long ways away from being able to compete with a living breathing human.

Unless you’re playing chess that is

Ain’t none of us beating Deep Blue

[untold ingot]

I mean, you aren't wrong.

[ionic meteor]

I mean after the fall of the genesis ship you can't imagine the amounts of aratai lives that were lost due to the catastrophic damages the ship caused, they'll likely hold a grudge against humans because of that, the steam page even says they're trying to "drive human interlopers from their planet" so its very obvious there won't be a good side aratai.

[untold ingot]

I did read an article about a guy that made an ai that is a God at monopoly though

[ionic meteor]

Likely scenario to occur is: aratai will have a huge presence in singleplayer, PVE servers but in PVP servers they'll likely have a small presence.

[elfin pumice]

ai are godly when the task is simple and theres not much information to analyze

thats why they are so good at chess, where the only information to analyze is the location of the pieces and the only task is to move a piece.

but they suck at shooters because its a 3d environment, with lots of information to analyze (sound, surroundings, enemy location, etc.) and have complex tasks (moving, aiming, shooting, all in a 3d plane)

[untold ingot]

Tbh the ai in most shooters isn't actually ai

[elfin pumice]

what are they

[untold ingot]

Algorithms mostly.

They arent true ai

[blissful perch]

The AI doesn’t have to be human level to outsmart most players

If WC can introduce ambush mechanics I suspect that alone will be enough to dramatically increase the difficulty of PvE

[lime forge]

Adding them will increase PvE difficulty as is. But they’re not gonna remain a threat. I’m predicting Aratai are gonna pose the same amount of threat a wild Theri currently does.

[blissful perch]

I sincerely doubt that

[untold ingot]

I hope it's more

[lime forge]

If you don’t know how to handle them they’ll wipe your team, but once you understand that it’s just another ai

[untold ingot]

Wild theris don't speak you out, and they don't work together

[blissful perch]

Idk, lotta people struggle against high statted ai even if they know the patterns

It’ll boil down big time to mechanical skill and margin of error, stuff ark 1 didn’t mess with much

[lime forge]

Wild Theri know when you’ve left a tame alone and they will actively move towards it. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar

[blissful perch]

It’s hopefully not the ender dragon…it’s hopefully a test of combat skill and (ideally) engagement skill

There should be fights you as a player should avoid because the chance of survival is near 0

[lime forge]

Everyone’s first encounter with a Theri is like this- “Oh that thing looks nice! Hey it waves at you when you get close it must be smart!” WHACK

[untold ingot]

Even at endgame I think this should hold

[lime forge]

I just don’t see this happening

[blissful perch]

Again unless you’re a mega it seems super easy to do

Imagine 20 melianas (or whatever she’s called) from elden ring

[lime forge]

I never played elden ring… my knowledge has been weighed and measured and found lacking.

[blissful perch]

Point being, if the margin of error gets real small…it’s gonna be hard. Even if you know exactly what’s coming (which I concede at the end of the game’s lifespan people will know)

[lime forge]

Aratai one shot everything they hit. You make a mistake you die

[blissful perch]

“I’m sorry kid, you missed the 0.1s window at 200 ping. Your belongings are now property of the Aratai”

Then you have to hire VD to plot armor through the Aratai to get your stuff back. I’ll be taking my check WC 🤝

[ripe cedar]

Cant wait to carry around 20 bottles of kentro piss to musk myself in so that some of the stupider dinos wont attack me

[south lance]

new use for water pipes

[lavish rain]

🤨 📸

[unborn galleon]

I heard ark 2 came out

?

I traveled to year 2050, ark 2 just released

😆😆😆😆