ark-2

[untold ingot]

But it does place limits

[blissful perch]

The PvP is mostly dictated by the rpg from what I’ve seen

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't call it rpg though

[blissful perch]

Your BPs, tames, gathered mats, and engrams are the largest factor to success or failure

[untold ingot]

Is that rpg though? In game items?

Because if it is, then cod and counterstrike are big rpg games lol

[blissful perch]

many folks argue that the healing/buffing mats and the like are rpg elements

Gonna call BS on cod since materials are infinite and can’t be farmed or differentiated between players

[untold ingot]

I disagree personally, imo rpg is the mode and playstyle and gamestyle

[untold ingot]

Dmz be like, also attachements

[blissful perch]

Gamestyle of leveling up that scales you ahead of others and the environment is what I’d consider RPG

[untold ingot]

Rpg is role playing... Ark pvp has almost 0 of that

[blissful perch]

It’s entirely role playing lmao

[untold ingot]

You only find role playing in small pve groups

[blissful perch]

No victory condition means the entire mode is determined by what people want to role play as

[untold ingot]

There is a victory condition though

[untold totem]

That is why it is called a "sandbox" because it can be anything compared to a theme focused game

[untold ingot]

My point exactly. Ark isn't rpg, it's sandbox

[blissful perch]

There is not. Name a singular victory condition in ark PvP WC has added and I’ll concede

[untold ingot]

Wiping your enemy, being the alpha of a server.

Just because you don't "finish" the game in pvp does not make it rpg

[blissful perch]

Being alpha until you get bored -> someone else becomes alpha. Oh no you lose?

[lavish rain]

Wth is the argument even

[split dove]

idfk

[untold ingot]

Whether or not ark can be classed as an rpg lol

[blissful perch]

Breeding alone instantly makes ark an rpg

[untold ingot]

How

[blissful perch]

^

[untold ingot]

Soo, cod weapons

Level scaling doesn't make it rpg

[blissful perch]

COD weapons laughably scale you

Unless I missed a step with the new COD games it’s usually mild improvements at best

[untold ingot]

Having progression to the game does not make it an rpg though

[lavish rain]

Ark is without a doubt a rpg, there's no argument against that

[untold ingot]

On a low skill level, yes.

[blissful perch]

Correct. COD has progression, not true levels or stat based scaling

[untold ingot]

I am making arguments against it though lol

[blissful perch]

And they’re nonsense lol

Every monster RPG ever has breeding mechanics similar to ark’s (usually better)

[untold ingot]

Give me an outside source that equates level progression to rpg uniquely lol

[lavish rain]

Your argument is weak

[untold ingot]

My argument is counter arguments...

That's typically how I argue lol

[untold totem]

I dunno RPG requires a Lore to follow and PVP players don't care about that

Hence Role Play

[vivid fog]

Hello everyone. Does anyone by chance have an idea when the double xp will come back

[untold totem]

Not in ARK 2

[untold ingot]

For ark2, probably not u til the game releases I would bet

[vivid fog]

When is the release date?

[untold totem]

Here for example we roleplay as if ARK 2 has an event even though ARK 2 is not yet released yet

Hence RPG requires lore to follow to consider as a "Role Playing Game"

ARK is not it... It may have Lore but no one follows them, hell we can transfer back yet there is no lore excuse for it

WoW for example has a power struggle between the Horde and Alliance

That is lore

[untold ingot]

Rpg games at their core require a playable story

[blissful perch]

No…apparently they just need a fictional character and setting

[untold totem]

No

[vivid fog]

I’m asking about ark 1 not 2

[untold ingot]

Ark does not have a playable story, other than ones artificially created by the players

[blissful perch]

So wrong chat then. Return to general or ark

[untold totem]

ARK has no NPCs until Gen

Or even the ascension update

[shadow sapphire]

Is there an official release date

[untold ingot]

Imo this is the key component that makes it not an rpg

[untold totem]

To be a RPG you have to have

-and established story that all players to follow

-has NPCs

• has an in game market that isn't a #DiscordTrade

And all of that has to be in the BASE GAME

[blissful perch]

Says who?

[untold totem]

Based on all RPGs exist

Name one game that isn't Base ARK that has No NPCs, Story that isn't clearly explained, and hasn't have an inbuilt marketplace

And considered as a RPG

[jade cliff]

when will ark 2 release?

[blissful perch]

TONS of RPGs lack a marketplace. Monster hunter stories for example

[untold totem]

Exactly

But all of them ain't like ARK

Your goal in Monster Hunter is slay Monsters because that is how their story goes hence you Role Play as a Monster Hunter (this RPG)

You goal in ARK is what ever you want (breed, PVP, build, etc) despite the story's goal is to Purify Earth or in case in The Island, Ascend

[blissful perch]

Monster hunter stories is a more traditional rpg game

[untold totem]

Monster hunter has an end goal that is correlated to the game's story isn't not?

[lavish rain]

Wouldn't the ark bosses be an end goal

[untold totem]

Not the "game ending" type of goal like any typical RPG

But in MMO RPG's case the game has to mold around the story

Not the other way around like ARK

Take WOW for example, even if you ignore the dialog, your character's race and class is still locked behind a faction because that is the game's lore/story (yes there is that passive Pandaren guy but he choose to cut his progression for pacifism and not choosing sides like the game intended)

ARK is just "make a character and off you go"

(inb4 constantly clicking the screen to shut Helena up)

You cannot just be a "non-hunting mushroom forager" in Monster Hunter because your character is meant to slay Monsters

In ARK you can be a fisherman while ignoring everything gameplay wise

[blissful perch]

You could in theory never leave Lumbridge in RuneScape

Both ark and many other games gate content behind story progression, so not sure what this argument is

[tropic forge]

the argument is the lack of ark2 stuff to talk about from devs part so there aint pointless arguments how about that, makes sense?

[untold ingot]

But if we can't argue semantics, what do we have 😭😭

[untold totem]

Unless we can talk about "how inaccurate AF the [insert new dino concept art] here"

Because that is all we got for now

[untold ingot]

In either case, I want less of a structured rpg approach to ark2 that the steam page suggests there might be

[blissful perch]

I mean I try to mention features and the like but since so few other people step up here we are

[tropic forge]

just do same treatment as wc give to their peeps, they dont give a crap about us and ppl shouldt be given a crap about them then maybe just maybe something would change

[untold totem]

So... Speculating as usual

[blissful perch]

As opposed to what?

[untold ingot]

I think you misunderstand wildcards stance lol

[untold totem]

Discussing about what we officially know?

Which is a few really

[untold ingot]

They are a business and businesses can't share confidential information in the public, especially when their shareholders are nervous about the product, which is every shareholder lol

[blissful perch]

Ok so chat is dead for 90% of the time

[untold totem]

Basically like #ark-animated-series lol

[tropic forge]

no pretty sure i do understand, how many ea discords i have join were theres actual talks about content and devs interact whit their peeps whitout any fusses about problems and whats going on whit the game their making but here "here take a pic and stfu until next month if we want to give more"

[blissful perch]

Right. So the only options are 1.) speculate 2.) argue semantics about game design 3.) ask about release date

Which do YOU prefer? I know I have my preference

[untold ingot]

For new games? I don't think so

[untold ingot]

1 and 2 are preferable

I enjoy arguing semantics here, because people generally have well thought out arguments

[untold totem]

I don't need to repeat myself tbh and it is getting tiring, I already stated my stance

I rather wait for the gameplay so I can have something new for me to make an opinion about

[untold ingot]

Tbh, I haven't really seen much discussed about the carno, maybe I missed it

[blissful perch]

I’ve never been called “people” before

I tried to chat about the carno but people kept reeing about the carno being from ark 1 so it died

[untold ingot]

That's because you are an alien lol

[untold totem]

I am a paleonerd and I already know ARK ain't accurate

There is nothing for me to discuss about aside from parroting myself

[untold ingot]

You needed me as backup lol, between the two of us we are pretty good at shutting down the reeing lol

[blissful perch]

Should have pinged ya tbh, my mistake 😂

[lavish rain]

Make it 3

[blissful perch]

Lotus um yea

[untold totem]

Bruh, forgotten

LoL

[untold ingot]

Lotus shuts down reeing by reeing louder, it's pretty effective

[blissful perch]

He’s the counter ree ree

[split dove]

he's the anti ree ree

[lavish rain]

Suppression ree

You guys clean it out

[untold ingot]

10/10 imo, just keep you and bruising apart lol 😂😂

[lavish rain]

No it's usually me and bruce

[split dove]

i'm chaotic neutral, watching everything go down while munching popcorn 🍿

[blissful perch]

Anyway, some folks can’t see to eye to eye on the basics of civil discussion

[lavish rain]

This isn't ark 2

[blissful perch]

My man is out here not respecting his role as link and emoji expert

[untold ingot]

I am too contradictory for that

[blissful perch]

Moreso that they can’t be civil - let me ammend

[split dove]

i only break my role of chaotic neutral watchman when the dumbest shit is written down

[lavish rain]

Alright this chat is too calm

I'm gonna fuck shit up

There should be more aliens In ark 2 then dinos

By a large margin

[blissful perch]

Hmm. You’d argue that knowing most of what we’ve seen is earth looking plants?

[lavish rain]

Why are they all earth looking plants on an alien planet

It's devs being lazy

[tropic forge]

or lack of imagination

[ripe cedar]

Because it is earth

[lavish rain]

If it's earth ill fuck shit up

I'll nuke earth with a tek nuke

We are going to have aliens

[tropic forge]

yeh they thought they were travel trough space but was travelling trough time 🤣

[lavish rain]

I want aliens

[blissful perch]

I love to see more alien flora, but that’s a huge ask considering the average gamer probably wouldn’t appreciate it

[ripe cedar]

We are all travelling theough time, and the colony ship was wandering around for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years

[lavish rain]

Because the average gamer has an iq of 21

[lavish rain]

Why would we get earth flora on an alien planet

[blissful perch]

I’m assuming plants and animals both came from the colony ship

But why almost all environments seem to only be earth plants? Who can say. I do wish we’d see some more Arat flora focused biomes

[lavish rain]

How about completely new biomes never seen in gaming before

You know, like an actual alien planet

[split dove]

yh, i hope the next reveal is a new creature not from/in Ark 1 or a returning one in a unchanged Arat biome with arat plants. either a completely new dino or native arat creature

[lavish rain]

That would reveal too much

They gonna show the trike confirmed before they dare to add somthing interesting

[tropic forge]

dont think theey gonna show "new" stuff just confirm what old dinos will remain in ark2

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with confirming old creatures. I’d like to see some of my favorites like the bary come back

[lavish rain]

I'm fine confirming dlc dinos like maybey maewing

[blissful perch]

But what I DO want to see is some alien flora. We have alien geology (the rings and the floating landmass stuff) but the plants man lol

[lavish rain]

Confirming somthing like a yuty tells me nothing lmao

[blissful perch]

I’ll cry if that gliding horror story comes back

[lavish rain]

Why?

Maewings are awesome

[tropic forge]

well dont forget the flora from the 1st trailer there was some there

[blissful perch]

Uhhh, there were a few flowers? Unless you count the lizard as a plant

But most of those flowers just look like earth orchids to me

[tropic forge]

the only good thing i sough from maewing was the nurse side and thats it

[lavish rain]

Maewings were a life saver

[tropic forge]

the part they were crossing the "bridge" had some if i recall

[split dove]

the steam page picture with the rex starring down at santiago also seems to have 2 new plants, unless we got those on earth, i'm no plant guy

[lavish rain]

New youtube video

Ark 2 announcement trailer: 38 things you missed

[blissful perch]

Can you put a screen cap in our discord of that (I’m at work lol)

[tropic forge]

raptor pic as like 2 flora too that i dont think exist

[astral token]

our

[snow summit]

guys when will ark 2 come out

[umbral mural]

sometime in 2023

[winged dome]

🍻

[lavish rain]

Sup

[rapid peak]

[lavish rain]

The road map is a cover up

They have nothing planned

They are pulling a fast one

[desert swallow]

you have lots of time to do so

[split dove]

we might know more with the ark franchise roadmap next month, for now it's still just 2023

[pallid zephyr]

but with how wildcard has been in the past with realease dates i wouldnt be surprised if it got pushed back to 2024

[desert swallow]

Maybe they meant in their fiscal year starting in 2023. Which could start in July for all we know. So July 2024 would be possible under such a scenario.

[ripe cedar]

if the year is in the trailer without it is almost certainly the normal calendar year

[desert swallow]

You missed it in the fine print.

[ripe cedar]

of course

[past wind]

Makes no sense to announce the year based on a fiscal year. That’s something you do for share holders.

[desert swallow]

Aren't we all stake holders in our own way though?

[blissful perch]

Consumers as a whole are a stakeholder… but we’re the lowest value stakeholder in the individual

[lavish rain]

@blissful perch how much would it cost to buy 5% of wildcard stock

[blissful perch]

And ofc we’re not really a stakeholder in the decision making process (for the business). We aren’t an investor, partner, etc

[lavish rain]

I have an idea

[blissful perch]

Is WC publicly traded? Pretty sure it’s under snail’s stock now?

[lavish rain]

Snail stock is basically a fancy way of saying wc stock let's be honest

[desert swallow]

I doubt they are a public company, we'd get shareholder reports quarterly

[blissful perch]

If they’re US publicly traded yes. Not sure about international…is snail US?

[desert swallow]

SDE inc doesn't look to be publically traded

Snail Inc is though

[blissful perch]

I’m afraid I’ve got no idea which one if either contains WC. Any guess Jordan?

[desert swallow]

"Shi Hai and Zhou Ying also control Snail Games USA and SDE INC. through its parent company Snail Games, and SDE INC. controls Wildcard."

I think it's a complex web of companies

[blissful perch]

Ugh. But it does look like SDE inc is what we’d be after

So… @lavish rain the answer is the cost is “impossible”

But to Jordan’s stakeholder question…we don’t have a seat at the table if that’s what you’re after. Although our complaints in aggregate are responded to when WC sees fit

[lavish rain]

You pinged the wrong lotus

[desert swallow]

And for the people arguing about calendar year. I wasn't being serious about fiscal year.

Although if they are reading this, I may have given them an idea.

[lavish rain]

My idea was to buy a seat in the decision making

[blissful perch]

You can be hired at snail…though pray they don’t read your chat history

[stray elm]

So, would it be disrespectful if I ate snails while in the SnailGames HQ?

[desert swallow]

You'd have way more influence as an employee than a shareholder.

[blissful perch]

SnailGames may want you to eat snails

[stray elm]

Oh shit, that's what it means!

[blissful perch]

A major stakeholder is snail after all. True facts here

[lavish rain]

Isn't there a board of director?

[stray elm]

Only escargot's for you

Unironically, I want to try escargot

[blissful perch]

The board would be for snail though, not WC

[lavish rain]

I know a guy

[lavish rain]

And snail effectively dosent exist without wc

[stray elm]

So, another question

If SnailGames are comprised of snail-people, would it be disrespectful to bring a bucket of salt?

[blissful perch]

Not quite how (at least US) corporate structure works

[lavish rain]

WC is their life bread

[stray elm]

I love bread

[blissful perch]

Right but I presume WC is beneath a snail employee who in return reports to the snail board

[stray elm]

I'd agree.

[lavish rain]

Shifter your giving me too many ideas

[stray elm]

Then execute them

[lavish rain]

No

[stray elm]

Why not?

[lavish rain]

We plant misinformation

We frame snail games

[stray elm]

And then you execute them after they're ripe

[lavish rain]

Snail games let go of wildcard or I call lawyer

[stray elm]

Good plan

[blissful perch]

You want Snail games to sell WC?

[lavish rain]

Yes I want snail games to sell their most valuable asset

[blissful perch]

You’re aware such a move would result in major delays to any form of ark content right? Corporate upheaval isn’t conducive to snappy deliverables lol

[desert swallow]

As painful as it is to say, we have to let it be, any change will delay everything further.

jinx

[stray elm]

Sacrifice worth taking

[lavish rain]

That's why we go on a mass data harvest before we unshackle wildcard

[stray elm]

Ayo, you planning on a Heist?

[lavish rain]

We harvest every piece of ark franchise Intel we can find

[stray elm]

Can I join?

[lavish rain]

We clean out their data banks

[lavish rain]

What is your use

[stray elm]

Firearms, electronics, technical.

A little bit of medical.

[lavish rain]

I'm the firearms guy

But we best get on topic before we get put on a watchlist

Or worse, the mods arrive

[stray elm]

You're already not on one?

[lavish rain]

I've been on one

[stray elm]

Exactly!

[lavish rain]

My friends are on one

[stray elm]

But yeah, no. Mods are more scary then a watchlist

(for legal purposes, this was all a joke)

[blissful perch]

Incoming bonk

[stray elm]

Nah, nah, nah. We're planning on doing a Heist on SnailGames main base in ARK-2.

@lavish rain Right Lotus?

[lavish rain]

I never said nothing but no heist

[lavish rain]

Bonk

[stray elm]

Exactly!

Bonk

[blissful perch]

Give me ark 2 bonk stick pls

[stray elm]

Don't mind me, I'm watching shotgun ASMR

[split dove]

Noted 📑

[blissful perch]

My hope btw is that ark 2 launches with the skeletons of a lot of great systems which get filled out over time

IE, bonk stick blunt weapons and combos lol

[past wind]

Just saying the info they share to the general public hasn’t the same format as the info they share with their shareholders.

[blissful perch]

(We probably don’t want the same info either)

[past wind]

Fiscal year wouldn’t be the format used on a game trailer

[lavish rain]

Hence my plan

[untold ingot]

Most shareholders probably don't even see the whole plan

Only major ones that have a nondisclosure agreement or something

[lavish rain]

Listen raq

If the shareholder thing dosenr get me info, we will have to resort to... more elaborate plans

[blissful perch]

Shareholders will get a reasonable estimate of launch timeframe because it’s directly relevant to their investments

[untold ingot]

No you can't date complexminded

[lavish rain]

[untold ingot]

Big ones maybe

[stray elm]

Can I date Jat?

[past wind]

If I was them, Ark 2 would be released by now, as early-access, with lots of beta testers, that would help funding the game and improving it. Just like they did with Ark 1.

[blissful perch]

Small ones don’t really exist for a privately owned company I’d assume

[lavish rain]

@split dove knows my plans

[stray elm]

And this is why you're not them.

[past wind]

But I would make it clear constant wipes would be a thing

[blissful perch]

That’s I think the plan lmao but the game isn’t in the beta test state yet

[split dove]

✈️ 🗼

[past wind]

Fair e enough

[stray elm]

That's exactly the plan.
Releasing it now would be releasing an Alpha

[untold ingot]

Ark2 will be at least a year in early access, so they are already doing that lol

[lavish rain]

No dumbass!

[split dove]

oops

[past wind]

Yeah, probably

[past wind]

I think it will take longer, I don’t know

2-3 years

This way they will have more flexibility

[untold ingot]

It's probably in some sort of playable state rn. But it would be pretty bad to have a cyberpunk level of failure on launch

[past wind]

I would happily play it, no matter what’s the current state

[blissful perch]

I suspect feature incomplete

[untold ingot]

They already have that flexability, just not launch until they feel like it's ready

[lavish rain]

We will get ark 2 info and i don't care how

[past wind]

Im used to subscribe to alpha tests and inside programs

[blissful perch]

They lose immense flexibility when it’s seen by the public

[lavish rain]

If lotus wants ark 2 info lotus gets ark 2 info

[past wind]

It’s nice to help with feedback

[untold ingot]

Most people aren't used to it. And it's most people that make the most money

[past wind]

You are probably right, it’s hard to say without more info if it would be a good idea to release it right now

[past wind]

I don’t know, man. Most games aren’t released finished.

It’s common to take a year for any game to be stable enough

[untold ingot]

Polished is the word I would use. Usually they are finished

[past wind]

And I’m not talking about early access. Just talking about “finished” games

[blissful perch]

Usually feature complete and free of the instant crash/save wipe sort of code failures

[past wind]

Sure if you mean content and features

[past wind]

That’s expected for finished titles, Ark 2 will be an early access

People shouldn’t expect a game free of issues

[untold ingot]

Even ea games have to be mostly done

[blissful perch]

Most early access titles are free of crashing/save wiping bugs

[untold ingot]

But they do, and that's the issue lol

[blissful perch]

If not free, than mostly free

[untold ingot]

People in general have unrealistic expectations of games lol

[lavish rain]

Hear me out

We stop playing video games all together

As a society

[past wind]

Well, I will say WC knows better how to manage their schedules. 🤣

[blissful perch]

Ok, you go first lotus

[untold ingot]

And do what? Be depressed about how terrible everything is?

[past wind]

I will just wait until they are ready

[lavish rain]

You fell right into my trap shifter. I hardly play games and I quit ark

[past wind]

But just saying I would be open to test it right now, with lots of crashs and wipes

[blissful perch]

Sorry, also no drugs. My bad

[lavish rain]

Go hunting, go fishing, shoot guns, do somthing

[untold ingot]

Lol, you must live in a nice area to be able to do that

[lavish rain]

Fresh old missouri!

[past wind]

I like GTA, can I…

[blissful perch]

Anywhere rural in the US can do that 👀

[untold ingot]

If everyone went hunting and fishing at once, there would soon be nothing to hunt and fish

Just look at the American bison lol

[lavish rain]

It was an example

[blissful perch]

Actually…they’d hunt and fish less than current commercial efforts

[lavish rain]

Society functioned just fine without video games before

[blissful perch]

It’s kinda insane how much seafood we harvest annually

[untold ingot]

Debatable. I don't thing society has ever functioned fine lol

[blissful perch]

They also didn’t have 40 hour workweeks until the Industrial Revolution

[past wind]

World population was smaller. People’s behaviors were different

Just watch what happened to the prices of everything lately

[lavish rain]

Don't. Give. Me. Ideas.

[past wind]

Because of an abruptly major change

[untold ingot]

That's just markets, that has always happened lol

[past wind]

Hear me out… WW III

[lavish rain]

Armageddon

[untold ingot]

Oooor, people just get along, we mine an asteroid for batteries, and all play video games. Easy

[past wind]

Just saying major changes like 7 billion people hunting, shooting etc would create a major change

[untold ingot]

Yeah, global collapse is what it would cause lol

[lavish rain]

So you saying we need people wasting their life on video games in order for society to function

[past wind]

I think we agree we should just keep playing games

[past wind]

Yes

[desert swallow]

Don't ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily.

[lavish rain]

Also, this isn't ark 2 let's get back on topic before the men and women in yellow name tags arrive

[past wind]

The above is basically Ark 1 plot, how to end humans with major changes

[untold ingot]

But any argument to go back to the "good old days" forgets just how brutal those days were, and how unsustainable they really were lol, especially with current populations

[lavish rain]

Go on

[past wind]

Man, medieval kings lived less than poor people nowadays

[untold ingot]

Lol, no

[lavish rain]

Yes

[untold ingot]

Poor people in rich countries maybe

[lavish rain]

🔫 do it or else

[untold ingot]

Do what?

[lavish rain]

This

[past wind]

I’ve read studies royalty life expectancy was like 40 years

[untold ingot]

Video games are not necessary for society to progress, but hunting and outdoors is not a viable alternative anymore either

[past wind]

Not sure about the poor people back then, but I guess they lived even less

[lavish rain]

Those. We're. Just. Examples.

[untold ingot]

Expectancy, or average

[past wind]

Expectancy I think

[untold ingot]

Well, to make a change, you can't just do examples, you need concrete evidence. Examples work for counterarguments, not for proposals

[untold ingot]

A lot of that had to do with medical knowledge and cleanliness

[past wind]

That’s my point. We can’t just go back to the good old days with todays demands

[untold ingot]

Well, there isn't room for one, nor is there wildlife and water enough

[past wind]

We can go full Santiago

[lavish rain]

Consider genocide

[past wind]

Going primitive, living on Mars

[untold ingot]

Mars can't sustain life without earth

Not without hundreds of years of underground building and agriculture

[past wind]

Life finds a way

[untold ingot]

To Terra form other planets? So far it hasn't yet lol

So far it's a popculture myth.

Mars would need a steady supply line of literally everything until it got settled in enough to mass produce food, and have factories to manufacture parts and electronics. That's centuries of work in reality, unless all of humanity joined together to make it happen

[lavish rain]

One word

[lavish rain]

Not within our lifetime

[untold ingot]

Won't happen for centuries

[lavish rain]

We dont even know about natural rescorces there to make it worth it

[untold ingot]

So far we haven't even set foot there

It took like 50 years for Europeans to colonize the America's in any stable way, and they had been colonizing everywhere for centuries. This is another planet we are talking lol

It's not going to happen soon

[lavish rain]

God should just wipe the servers and start a new save

So... maewings in ark 2

Yay or nay

[untold ingot]

I mean, the modern world has only been around for like 100 years, there is still time 😂

[untold ingot]

Absolutely not lol

They are too fast

[lavish rain]

Then nerf the speed

No 0ne really used them for speed either

[worldly current]

Yes they do.

[lavish rain]

100 years ago alcohol was illegal. That alone makes it the primitive world

[lavish rain]

Ok sure, but their speed was never overpowered, never saw people complaining about maewings being too fast

[untold ingot]

Everyone not on 1x in a mega uses them lol

[untold ingot]

Maewing are easily 4x faster than anything else in the game

Nothing even comes close

[lavish rain]

Ok and

[untold ingot]

That's like the definition of speed being op lol

[lavish rain]

I'm on 1x in a mega

Maewing isn't op so it should be in ark 2

If it really is that bad they just nerf speed

[split dove]

more lotus schizo talk

[untold ingot]

If it is, it shouldn't be able to fly lol

Maybe bounce at most

[split dove]

just keep it's nany ability and remove the dumb speed force gliding

[untold ingot]

Maewing were literally added to be every qol breeding in a game that was on its last dlc. With stupid speed attached. They should not be in ark2

[lavish rain]

Yes they should

[untold ingot]

Without kibble taming? And without the speed boost? Then yes. Otherwise no

[lavish rain]

The kibble taming was the least op thing about them

I doubt kibble will even make it into ark 2

[untold ingot]

They are just in general too good at too many things

Great for a last dlc, not for a new launch

[lavish rain]

Yes for a new launch

[untold ingot]

Nah

The taking care of babies is fine, but only if that is all they do

[stray elm]

Fuck maewings.
Let us get some Aratai's to raise our babies.

[split dove]

the closest to a human parent raising them

[stray elm]

It's humanoid, so it's fine

[worldly current]

Nothing can take maewing on in this game while it moves. Including other maewings. Also they have variety of ways to use in raids. 😉

It's same problem every card game which makes more powerful cards so players need to upgrade their decks constantly to keep up with others.
-Is it a problem?

If this keeps on going I don't think they can do anything else than keep on adding more powerful tames to game and so old ones loses their usefulness.
-Still. Is it a problem?

I don't know because I don't know what Willcards end goal is.

Keep people coming to see what has changed since last map has been added.
-Seems to work very well.

Rebalance tames?
-Not so much.

[last bridge]

Hopefully the game isn’t 200+gb

[stray elm]

That's a skill issue

[lavish rain]

You are hopeless if you think it won't be

[desert swallow]

Power creep has been happening since extinction, an argument could be made for aberration.

[south lance]

that just means avoid the balance decisions made since extinction

players dont know that they dont want creatures that are stronger than what they have

[desert swallow]

wut?

[south lance]

they don't like powercreep

they dont know that tho

[worldly current]

Trying to find out balance effect in games before you release update is pain in the butt.

Still we see some major problems when we add things we know will brake balance when we have an idea like Fjordhawk.

You will use huge amount time in game in order to get good line.
-Good for Willdcard

It will break all pvp because you won't be able to lose anything.
-Not so good for smaller tribes.

Example.
Mega tribe Is raiding medium one. Mega cannot lose their weapons, armors and inventory to enemy anymore and can go on and will win raid resource wise, because there is no more any loses than repair costs.

[potent hull]

ark2 will com we just need to hop for it to com this year and if not we can hop it coms next year then

[blissful perch]

Power creep works because it exploits novelty and people going “omg that’s so damn strong”…a short term fix that doesn’t last in the long term

[past wind]

If ark 2 gets a life cycle as long as ark 1, I bet there will be OP stuff.

they will have to keep implementing new and powerful stuff on the game

[south lance]

theres some design decisions that seem really dumb to have implemented tho

like the least you could do is see where a mutation stacked tame would be along the balance ladder

20k hp fjordhawks were predictable

there is no reason these things should have existed beyond lack of care

i think they do genuinely want powercreep in their game but i dont know why

i heard that most devs dont touch pvp at all, possibly big reason

but i dont get why pve oriented devs wouldnt still want to preserve relevancy of tames they made years ago

[past wind]

Not at all

[south lance]

i only know dollie has a huge number of hours

[past wind]

they focused way more on PVP

[south lance]

i mean actually playing pvp

not including content for pvp

yes, most of the end game stuff is pvp oriented

[blissful perch]

OP certainly. No certainty we get formal power creep though

[south lance]

but its like they havent done the bare minimum to actually think about how some new tame will be applied in an environment

[past wind]

When you say power creep, you mean official servers?

[south lance]

you cant consider balance from tamed creatures, only near stat cap does their effect make any sense

[past wind]

When you complain about balance, you are basing your assertion on the official servers?

[south lance]

im basing it off basically all pvp that isnt specially modified

[open monolith]

who cares about balance when they can't even make a stable environment to begin with

[south lance]

so yes generally just offi, but most unofficials are included

[past wind]

I mean, there's a huge gap between 1x rate official servers and boosted unnoficials

[worldly current]

True. Major part of the game is with in preeding process.

[past wind]

I'd say they balanced the game for the official mega tribes pvp servers

[south lance]

even at this point, metas developed in 1x generally hold

[past wind]

But we are talking about 5 years old servers

[south lance]

i think balancing around megatribes is redundant

[past wind]

it's supposed to be like that

[south lance]

they already willingly adapt to every meta

even cheating and shit lol

[past wind]

IMO Ark 2 should be more focused on other aspects, not just OP creatures

The new combat system signals to that approach

[south lance]

it shouldnt cheapen its own value by powercreep

the main issue is that without powercreep you have to somehow generate completely new but relevant/useful mechanics

you can atomize processes in the game i suppose, like having 300 different resources and a dino can only farm like 2 or 3

then you have a huge number of "valuable" farm dinos potentially

but that seems absurdly tedious, though it might not be an issue if most resources arent strictly necessary

this can apply to other aspects of the game like travel, combat, etc

[past wind]

No matter what, after a few years things will be unbalanced, unless they keep wiping servers constantly

[open monolith]

the stryder essentially eliminated all gather dinos... which was bad move

[worldly current]

That actually not a bad idea. 🧐

[south lance]

stryder is exactly the opposite of what id imagine here xd

[past wind]

They just have to lower the curve as much as possible

[open monolith]

imo they will break it

[south lance]

theyll probably make the same or somewhat less severe balance errors

[open monolith]

after coming back and seeing genesis / stryder they went so far left field make the game super easy

dont see balancing anything being done

[past wind]

Instead on fully focusing on tames, they should give us more tools/vehicles etc

[south lance]

as it stands their current balance cycle can be bypassed in effect entirely if they get most people onto unofficials via mod support

which would be much less of a headache for everyone

[past wind]

like wagons to attach on the creatures and improve their stats

or new saddles to activate new and unique features

[south lance]

reducing official server use and impact, get everyone onto highly customizable mod packed servers

not ideal, but itd work

[open monolith]

i dunno after today, im disgusted with this game, so hopes on ark 2 are nul

[past wind]

Highly customizable mod packed servers are the way to go to have unbalanced servers

[south lance]

sure

[past wind]

90% of the plugins and mods are meant to make things OP

[south lance]

but at least you arent locked to one unbalanced game, you have a wider array of choices

[open monolith]

there will always be a go to meta, and dino's will always become obsolete

each new one making it easier and easier

[past wind]

It's important to have both

[south lance]

atm ark choices boil down to 1000x, super sweaty unofficials, and official

[open monolith]

the concept of ai tribes... i think is a huge hope/dream but will destroy the game

[past wind]

I know a bunch of people that like Vanilla Official servers

[south lance]

yes

because unofficials are too easy to grind on

or so that seems to be the biggest complaint i see besides mod abuse

[open monolith]

Think this was where they should have kept it, and made stability way better

[worldly current]

Official servers biggest problem aint with in too efficient people. It seems to be that people who cheat (not eploit) cannot be controlled in real time (with in 1-2h).

[past wind]

Yeah, in less than 6 months you will be done in a 10x unnofficial. Like having all BPs, all ascensions, all capped dinos etc.

[south lance]

ya

[open monolith]

i think they are using dinosaurs for their servers

[past wind]

On an Official you can take as much as 2-3 years (breeding take way longer without mods and boosted rates).

[south lance]

though tbf at this point thats also true of 1x if you have friends in tribes

i think theres a noticeable drop in players since lost island ish

[open monolith]

thats why mega tribes win

[south lance]

like after the initial spike obv

[open monolith]

24/7 breeding / crafting / gathering

[past wind]

I'm talking about from the ground up

[south lance]

cause people are bored of the game

[past wind]

with help, well... It's not funny

[south lance]

most people dont really build ground up tmk

since you literally cannot compete without breedlines

[past wind]

I know, but my point above is considering that for ark 2, where people have nothing on officials

so You will need to start from the ground up

[south lance]

that will be r eally fun

nobody having figured out how to cheese the game and all

[worldly current]

yet 😄

[past wind]

It's funny and also frustrating

[south lance]

actually playing the game how its intended

[past wind]

I remember taking hours to tame my first stego

then my first trike

and they were shitty as hell LOL

[south lance]

the whole risk reward, gain loss cycles involved in these sorts of games will actually exist without players trying to bypass all the work

itll work better in the devs image id think

and overall be a much more fun game

unfortunately i dont think this will last long

maybe 1 year

[past wind]

Yeah, but well, my initial point was, after a few years (the point of the Ark 1 cycle we are now, things will be unbalanced).

WC needs to slow the progression on Ark 2 as much as possible

It needs to be slow, but funny

[south lance]

i would like more stages on progression

[past wind]

Slow and annoying won't be good also

[south lance]

id also like less of an advantage from ascending progression curve

[past wind]

Yeah, that's I think they need to do

Hence why I need tools rather than everything being about tames and breeding

[south lance]

you shouldnt need to get 400 melee cause you literally cant do anything against a bob who spent 2 days in a beta tribe and now has a 1200 flak set and 300% every weapon+ cryofridge of tames besides club them xd

[worldly current]

That cannot happen because Wildcard makes money only via DLCs.

[past wind]

We might need to take, I don't know, a month working on our progression without being able to tame max level dinos

[past wind]

They can release DLCs and work on a slow progression

It's hard to comment on that because we have no idea how the new features will be implemented, but it's possible

[south lance]

i think a lot can be done just be reducing tame cap

so no more 450 lvl cap with 255 stat cap

[worldly current]

They might. At least I hope so as well. 😭

[south lance]

if you reduce stat cap at least you can reliably kill something with something you can reasonably obtain in a month

or week rather

without cheese

[past wind]

I think the problem isn't the tames alone. If you play official PVP you know a capped giga can be beatten easily with a good strategy.

The real issue is the bosses are just a matter of attacking with brute force and waiting until it's done

[south lance]

yes but all strategies require having your own capped shit, admittedly if you just use tools its not as bad

[past wind]

there's no real strategy behind it

[south lance]

you can enrage a giga with a couple weapons

idrc about bosses tbh

since you dont really need to engage with them after beating them once for tekgrams

[past wind]

Sure, but no necessarilly capped dinos, instead you might need capped tek bow BPs

my point is

[south lance]

its more available ye

you can actually get a capped bow or shotgun from desert drops

[past wind]

I hope the new combat system focus more on the strategy itself

[south lance]

instead of trying to grief a dude uploading

[past wind]

No more 20 rexes attacking the boss and that's it

[south lance]

only for them to get hit 0 times cause hitreg

😭

[past wind]

See, it's shitty

I've seen people complaning about 3rd person only and souls combat

but it might mean the end of all this bullshit

[wispy sierra]

yeah ark combat mostly boils down to clicking

[south lance]

i dunno how well pvp will work out as soulslike

hows elden ring pvp for example

i saw 1 video and it looked cool

but it seemed a bit limited idk

dodge spam plus 1 or 2 atk clicks

[split dove]

We need the change tbh

[wispy sierra]

ark combat is quite dry

[south lance]

it is

its only selling point is that its familiar

at least the ground stuff

[split dove]

Shifter fell asleep fighting a skeletal bronto

[south lance]

oh and how many actually unique weapons there are

[worldly current]

They implement one combat lock which cannot be turned off and ARK2 is dead.

[south lance]

wdym by combat lock

i dont play soulslikes

[past wind]

It's more than that

It's a whole new level of movement system

[past wind]

we do

[past wind]

I can relate to that

we use autoclicks since day one for a reason LOL

[split dove]

Skeletal stegos are even worse bc of the tlc dmg reduction buff

[past wind]

I hope Ark 2 brings back the fear I had on those events

Today is so easy to kill the dodorex or the dodowyvern

[worldly current]

Combat lock will force camera and movement towards single target when engaged in combat. Super frustrating. 🤬

[south lance]

oh that

[past wind]

It's not like the current system is super fun

[south lance]

yeah id imagine devs wouldnt be dumb enough to make that nonoptional

[past wind]

Well, Atlas is ok

and it implemented a souls like system

[south lance]

but did it have this combat lock

[past wind]

ranged weapons don't have aim lock

[south lance]

but melee does?

[past wind]

For fist fight yes

[south lance]

hmm

[past wind]

But it was optional

[south lance]

that doesnt sound fun, ill just chalk it up to atlas being for the lulz instead of a serious venture

oh then its fine

[past wind]

At this point, it's hard to assume anything

We just know about the general concept

We need the details to judge

[south lance]

i have hope and dreams

[split dove]

Which we potentially could have soon with the roadmap

[south lance]

is that enough

[past wind]

Hopefully

[south lance]

just another couple weeks

[split dove]

Idk Mr Martin Luther King

Dreams are your inner fantasies

[south lance]

sometimes they come true

i dont actually have a good conception of what i want from ark2 though

i think like, bigger map, aratai automation (limited), cool animations/graphics, more important mid game, and better mods

uhh, lower cap for breeding/quality of items

[mint swan]

When ark 2 supposed to release

[south lance]

in 2 days

[mint swan]

Omg i cant wait

[south lance]

that or in the next couple months

its really somewhere in between hopefully

nobody knows

besides "2023"

[worldly current]

Highly unlikely that ARK2 will be released this year and even if that was the case it would come earliest at the last quarter.

[south lance]

my hope vs your cynicism bro

i only have a 100% failure rate from a sample of about 4

[hazy elm]

I hope the game is so realistic looking it looks like Jurrasic World the movie

[desert swallow]

As one approaches a black hole time slows down relative to objects farther than the black hole. The plan, create a space station for wild card employees in a far off pocket of space and using tek we propel our solar system to the edge of a black hole, as not to get sucked in to it's interior. After 6 months of our time we will use tek propulsion to return our solar system to normal orbit in the galaxy and by my calculations about 5 years will have passed for studio wild card, giving ample time for ark 2 to be released.

[south lance]

that sounds accurate

[winged dome]

🍻

[blissful perch]

No improved creature AI on your wishlist? Shame

[worldly current]

They have said that AI reaction will be more real life than current which is limited to range reaction.

[south lance]

im moderately interested in it

[worldly current]

#ark-survival-ascended2 has a new sensory-based creature AI! 🦖

"Animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent!" 🦕

[south lance]

it can either be really good or really bad though

and i dont think something like creature AI will be a quick fix, especially compared to stat changes which already take weeks to implement

im concerned and excited for it, but im not sure if itll be a straight benefit

not as much as the other things i hope for

or ill say that id LOVE good ai on aratai specifically

less so with all the dinos

wonder if the new creature AI will apply to tames though

that is my main worry point

thatll be where the AI makes or breaks a lot of the game

[worldly current]

We will see how cornered AI is going to work. Now when it is stuck it just won't give up fleeing.

I like the idea where every thing which isn't going to kill you would naturally try to hide or run a way from player.

[blissful perch]

I think wild AI will make or break the survival elements

[desert swallow]

pacman AI confirmed

[blissful perch]

will ark 2 AI be marked (as ark 1 has) by primarily just avoiding aggro ranges and baiting linear chase AI?

[blissful perch]

pacman AI would unironically be a huge boon to pack behavior

[desert swallow]

I'm thinking they'll use ray tracing for detection and "sound detection" to begin scouting AI

so if you are behind an object you won't be seen.

god I can't type tonight

[blissful perch]

right but imo that's step 1 of 2

step 2 is what happens after detection. To use the pacman example, do three raptors all chase you in a straight line independently...or do they coordinate? Do they detect you and then set up an ambush? Lots of amazing potential there

[desert swallow]

one chases, one cuts off, one random.

[south lance]

youd need to reduce the creatures available on a server

[worldly current]

It would be really nice to see that everything when cornered would fight back.

[worldly current]

true.

[desert swallow]

step 1 of 2 would already be a vast improvement. They could make them smart enough to not fall for our traps.

[south lance]

because of that i wonder if stuff like dino leveling will even exist in anything like the levels we have now, since itd be really fucking hard to find a max level dino if theres 30 tiers (5-150 in ark1)

and only like, 2 raptors in a render distance

[lavish sparrow]

When ark 2 supposed to release

I hope they have assault rifles that don't have stupid recoil patterns and ass dmg

[south lance]

they probably wont have ars

[desert swallow]

ark 1 never had ass damage. Torso, legs, hands, head damage

[south lance]

what about crotch shots

[desert swallow]

definately

[south lance]

ik where im aiming with a club

[desert swallow]

the gas pedal is a souls like combat move confirmed in ark 2

I know it's not the most common reference so if anyone is curious google: "gas pedal urban dictionary"

[worldly current]

Where did you find that information?

[blissful perch]

I sort of hope the tier system from SotF is somehow incorporated

where the species has more to do with the stats than the level...it would be a nice survival game element to be able to assess threat by the actual creature rather than the (often invisible) stat distribution

[south lance]

yeah id like that more than what we have now

theres enough rng without also needing to roll the dice with shitty stat rolls and stuff

[worldly current]

I believe that rng shit is one of the reason why this game has constant player base.

[south lance]

idk how much of that is true

or, its true for breeding

but things like getting first tames and blueprints, that doesnt take more than a few months at worst to reach capped gear

[burnt current]

Will ark 2 have fantasy creatures

[south lance]

🤷

do aratai count

they are basically just space orcs

[burnt current]

Well yea I guess

Man I can't wait for it

[south lance]

other than that nobody knows yet

ye same

[blissful perch]

game has two modes of retention: the RPG grind crowd who wants to grind up mats and stats forever

and the repeatability crowd who keeps restarting and playing ark in different ways

[burnt current]

Also I hate how they kept the shitty ass arms on the carno for ark 2 like whyyyy

[blissful perch]

because those are real carno arms?

[burnt current]

Penguin ass arms

[south lance]

i dont really know much about the second crowd, theres a bit of replayability with pvp between the various modes and major unofficial servers+ getting wiped

as for pve i think that mostly just modded worlds

[burnt current]

Yeah but still

[blissful perch]

I'd say a major bulk of pve youtube content revolves around seasonal resets

[south lance]

oh?

wdym by resets tho

[blissful perch]

or showing off builds (which varies from creative or within a season)

[blissful perch]

new character, new map, new mod, etc...usually completely from scratch

[prisma pike]

That's because PvE is boring after you get built up

[south lance]

oh ok

[blissful perch]

PvP content is super hard to track because it's almost always on delay and can't be shared in real time without being free inside material

[south lance]

raid*

but yeah

[blissful perch]

i mean you can be accused of insiding i assume if you release that sort of content carelessly

[south lance]

i guess in a way yeah

usually the issue is just getting your hidden base found tho

but yeah all this is why a lot of the larger content creators upload 1 hour movies of a month of work

though more episodic series exist

plus a lot of work is literally just grind which takes too long

[prisma pike]

This aonic guys writing a book

And getting it peer reviewed and edited

[worldly current]

This is real thing. Reason why MTS became biggest unofficial servers it seems to me for 2 reason. First is active admins and second which brought most people to it was beginner severs which did wipe every 2 weeks. (They dropped this concept and now player base will die 3 weeks in to wipe)

[worldly current]

There are efficient people who can get level 100 and first boss fights with in 24h. Sadly I am included to those no lifers.

[south lance]

i mean more bland mat grinding

for kits and stuff

admittedly the ammo required for bosses does take a long time

couple hours straight

[prisma pike]

Imagine using shotguns in 2023 lol

Use a velo it's easier and faster

[south lance]

tamed velo has the damage+stam to do bosses?

this is in reference to people doing shit on arkpoc

and other wipe servers

[prisma pike]

Yeah

[south lance]

damn i didnt even know

[prisma pike]

Of course you'd want a high level one lol

Because it can take a while to kill them with low melee or stam but at least you don't need to farm shells

[south lance]

i mean yeah but i didnt think 400-500 melee and 2-3k stam velo could do it

[prisma pike]

Yes it can

Easily

[south lance]

sounds good

more cheese and reliable at that

[prisma pike]

Yeah but if the bosses decide to be stupid and run around you can't really hurt them

[south lance]

ya true

short ass range

[prisma pike]

I've almost timed out once cause the spider was running around nonstop

[south lance]

xd

[prisma pike]

You can also velo the lost island monkey with a karkino and mana

Toss the velo on a ledge then have mana kite the boss to it and jump up

[untold ingot]

I think you tubers made it big lol. There is nothing inherent about mts that makes it significantly better than other unofficials

[astral token]

With the Notorious Car being so big, I wonder what sort of power class the Allo will fall into

[mellow cradle]

is there some release date estimate out?

[lime forge]

2023

[mellow cradle]

really?

Is there any gameplay footage or anything like that out?

[lime forge]

Concept art and a couple trailers is all we got

[mellow cradle]

then i feel like this year is unlikely

it was 3 years ago ksp 2 had some cinematic trailers but nothing else

now early access is realeasing tomorrow, yay

[lime forge]

They’re planning to release a road map next month for everything in the franchise so hopefully we get a release date or delay then.

[mellow cradle]

Oo cool

[untold ingot]

It doesn't look that big in the image

The thing it's chasing isn't a raptor, it's a smaller dino

[split dove]

it's the ark 2 raptor, might have been one not fully grown or just shrunken down for the teaser. would be weird to reveal 2 new creatures while only naming one wouldn't it? same model from the second teaser trailers raptor

[untold ingot]

Is it? It looks way smaller

[split dove]

might have been shrunken in size in general, or just perspective tricks for the concept. or the carno is slightly bigger compared to ark 1

[worldly garden]

Yeah that's my thought on it. Why would they reveal a new creature on another creatures concept art and not name it.

[split dove]

exactly, also would be weird to also have it be a new creature that looks almost exactly the same like the ark 2 raptor. if it were a microraptor or troodon it would be even smaller as well

[mellow cradle]

What will be the biggest differences between ark 1 and ark 2? Except for the graphics

[worldly garden]

Combat will probably be right up there.

[split dove]

anything listed on the steam page, Third person only, combat upgrades, better player traversal systems, world events, mods for consoles and hostile pve forces

[worldly garden]

Mods for console will be at the top.

[tropic forge]

in 3h 30 min something gonna be top for sure

[winged dome]

🍻

[ripe cedar]

Why? Everyone in this conversation is a pc player

[astral token]

Rulers need to appease the peasants to prevent rebellions you see

[tropic crag]

Where exactly is this 3 hour and 30 minute timer coming from??? Lmao

[blissful perch]

Fox’s brain?

Man’s got an imagination, and I respect it

[split dove]

only thing that could relate to that is Sons of The Forest release today

[tropic crag]

Ah, yeah, forgot that came out soon

Really interested, but with no space to store it and no friends interested in playing it (that don't currently have their computer in the shop...) I'm kind of at odds for that one, sadly

[worldly garden]

We'll see! 🤣

[tropic forge]

not imagination its just not ark 2 i was talking about 🤣

[fallow niche]

Move it to #general then.

[lavish rain]

Being a good game

Potentially

[humble onyx]

Honestly its broken and messed up how you can rush the game like this. Hope servers in ark2 will be much more like the gameplay we see in the ark1 trailers and more focused on gear pre fabricator

[blissful perch]

I’m kinda iffy on that being an issue

I’m against skipping a huge chunk of the tech, but that’s done by accident on 1x even without real note runs or boss rushes

[humble onyx]

I agree, hope they've found some way of fixing it, I had a few ideas but I feel they limit the freedom of the game a bit

[desert swallow]

If someone finds a way to speed run a boss in ark 2 they need to shut it down asap

[split dove]

only thing that you need to farm super long for are some of the stupid expensive bps. But my hope is blueprints are replaced/removed with the component based crafting. another change to keep the playing ground balanced would be that rarer resources act like blueprint tiers (Ramshackle -> ascendant) to increase stuff on the item with hard cap increases you can't go over like +25% max over original stats for any amount of rare resources used in the craft. this kinda offers the opportunity for the player to explore so he can get an advantage over people who don't, but not something as disastrous where he instantly dominates everyone after adding it to his craft, and it still needs skill to win and the fight isn't as one-sided as Ark 1 blueprints users vs primitive gear.

[untold ingot]

Thiiiiiss. Component based crafting where items don't cost thousands of resources would also be nice lol. It reduces the overall bloated amount of resources needed, which imo has always been an issue in ark

[split dove]

and the increase i'm suggesting is still balanced/no instawin and isn't ark 1 blueprints with crafting skill overload vs primitive engrams gear.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, primative items need to be slightly better than ark1 varients, and the good endgame varients of prim stuff should not be 100x better like it is in ark1

[untold ingot]

Why?

[split dove]

it should always come down to skill, not insta wining with busted ark 1 stuff

[desert swallow]

because using something like cactus broth to cheese the aberration boss removes much of the challenge of the game.

[untold ingot]

Is it any easier than using a megalos line?

[astral token]

Component based crafting 👍🏽

[desert swallow]

Yes, much easier

[astral token]

A mobile game I used to play did it really well

[untold ingot]

No, it's not, it's just faster

[astral token]

Durango Wildlands it was called

Also it had like a system where

[desert swallow]

the amount of spawn and those red balls is far less with cactus broth and on foot

it's much easier

[astral token]

If you used the hide of a zebra skin creature to make a tent let’s say

The tent would be zebra striped

Dynamic reskins should be a thing in ARK II 💯%

[untold ingot]

Ark1 bosses take no skill to beat, you can either spend time raising dinos to do them, or do them a faster way

[astral token]

Like suppose a creature spawns in a desert biome

[untold ingot]

Neither requires a great deal of skill

[astral token]

The game sees that and automatically applies a desert skin (if any)

[untold ingot]

Ark2 bosses imo should be able to be done quickly, but should require a f great deal of skill to pull off

[south lance]

^

i want quicker but harder boss

[astral token]

WoW sHiTtY dEvS gAmE bRoKeN

[untold ingot]

Biome varient skill trees on dinos that can be inherited by lines would be epic

[astral token]

Fr

Same for items and such

The game sees hide is coming from a Sabertooth

Automatically applies stripes to wherver said hide is used

[untold ingot]

I think 15 minutes for a boss fight is good enough, but with higher skill, or more interesting plays it should be quicker than the time limit

[desert swallow]

So we agree that cheesing bosses should be stopped when found

[untold ingot]

We have a different definition of cheesing bosses

[south lance]

youd have a stupid amount of hide variants tbf

[astral token]

I don’t see the issue

[untold ingot]

For me using an archa and shotguns on the island overseer is not cheesing the boss, nor is ledging center or brood

[astral token]

Let me remind you a fricking mobile game did this

Performance deez nuts

[untold ingot]

Inventory management simulator?

[south lance]

issue may or may not arise with farming hide, as well as the issue with having 30 hide variants that differ only really by texture

[astral token]

A clear GUI which is not so bright would help with that

Also search functions exist, I know they’re resource intensive but yes

[untold ingot]

I doubt a lot of different hide varients would cause much performance issues, the inventory management and storage would be a pain though. Like primal fear on steroids

[astral token]

Kinda yes

But you could use any hide for any crafts

[untold ingot]

If you have to constantly use search to craft things, then that is really really bad game design

[astral token]

If you weren’t bothered about how you want it to look

And if you were bothered about it you could search it up and find it out

[untold ingot]

I don't think every Dino type should have separate hide.

[astral token]

Not every type per se

But say, striped hide, spotted hide

Scaly hide

[untold ingot]

I think there should be scaled hide, or pelt hide, or the like. With maybe 1 or 2 late game really good variations

[split dove]

maybe like small-medium-large, or that

[astral token]

Exactly!

[untold ingot]

Something like Conan imo

[astral token]

Size based is a no

[untold ingot]

The number of different types of resource of similar types should be reduced as much as possible, as it doesn't really add much to gameplay to have a large assortment of things that do the same basic thing lol

[south lance]

fungal wood being just wood+recipes was annoying

[untold ingot]

Fungal wood was okay, 27 different types of wood would not be okay

[split dove]

extinction added a new version fungal wood lol ''corrupted wood'' instead of just reusing fungal wood for those trees 😂

[astral token]

The variants not being interchangeable is an issue

[astral token]

I’m not saying that many

[south lance]

xd

[astral token]

Maybe hard bark, and soft bark for example

[lavish rain]

Variant? He has to mean omicron variant! Covid confirmed for ark 2!

[untold ingot]

As long as it's useful, and not the same as another

[south lance]

its possible to add it all in, it just needs to be implemented well

[astral token]

Unspecified virus of unknown origin you meant

[untold ingot]

Like a keratin/chitin thing shouldn't be a thing

[south lance]

so like, certain pattern hide could be useful for hiding in certain biomes

or from certain creatures

[astral token]

Hard bark = hard used in tools/armour
Soft bark = soft used in medicine/drugs

[lavish rain]

One issue I have with things like that...

Too many types of items

[untold ingot]

Hard bark and soft bark aren't a real thing though lol

[astral token]

Whatever just an example

[lavish rain]

I will have boxes full of random items that only have 1 niche use

[untold ingot]

Yes, that comes with component based crafting

[south lance]

you have 2 options, having a bunch of components that offer entirely different abilities, or having a bunch of components that can scale certain abilities

[astral token]

“I don’t see how that’s my problem”
— Bully Maguire

[untold ingot]

The overall number of items has to increase, the quantity of them should decrease, and there should be no replication between them

[south lance]

so say X hide having a whole bonus aggro debuff against some creature while hide Y doesnt, vs X hide having better or worse aggro than Y, and all of this can be incorporated alongside other materials that either offer entirely new abilities or just scale certain abilities

stats vs abilities

abilities would be hard with more compinents

stats are simpler as they are just numbers

perhaps you can have either with really rare materials

[untold ingot]

That works, but it should cost like 10 of x hide or y hide, and you should get 1 hide per kill or something

[desert swallow]

If they decrease amount of any one item required to craft top tier stuff they will just make that item less bountiful in a harvest.

[untold ingot]

That's the whole idea

[desert swallow]

True, but people like seeing big numbers, it makes them feel good

[untold ingot]

Bases in ark1 scale in size based almost entirely on increases of rates. Bases that people build on official now in 3 days or a week would have been impossible in the early days, but because of the bloated cost for bps, the rates were forced to increase as well

[untold ingot]

Inflation, even in a video game, is not something to feel good about lol

It always means mismanagement of economic balance

Ark1s issues (apart from fliers and cryos) are directly related to mismanagement of economy in creature stats, BP costs and harvest rates

It all needs a significant nerf in order to have a balance

[desert swallow]

An afternoon of harvesting will allow you to build those bps. Ark didn't have an economy really. Ark is meant to be a grinding game.

[untold ingot]

Ark always had an economy lol

[untold ingot]

The issue is that same afternoon of grinding now will also build you a stupidly large base.

[desert swallow]

That can be torn down in a stupidly low amount of time?

I wouldn't hold Ark's economy out as the main draw to the game. Trade may have happened on officials between larger tribes or beta tribes but it's not the focal point.

[untold ingot]

When I used economy in this sense I wasn't talking about trade lol

You don't need trade to have economic principles

In this case, the trade is more of an abstract idea than actual exchange between two parties

It's more along the lines of why have an item cost 1000 metal, when you could just make metal more valuable lol

[desert swallow]

"Back in my day a loaf of bread used to cost 25 cents"

So you want to make something more scarce

Eve online has a real economy and they were suffering from inflation, so they introduced "scarcity" to their resource pools to try to bring it back to normal.
A massive amount of people quit the game

People don't want scarcity, they want to have fun

[untold ingot]

Inflation in a game that breaks the balance isn't fun lol

[desert swallow]

If I can get a 1000 metal in a day, but I need 3000 metal, it feels much better to get 1000 metal for my efforts than to only get 10 in a day and it costs 30

[untold ingot]

Personally I don't agree with that

[desert swallow]

Well that's you then I guess.

[untold ingot]

I don't thing arbitrarily adding large numbers in a game makes it any better

Especially if that arbitrary high number affects other aspects of the game

[prisma pike]

No but it allows for more exact costs and stuff

[untold ingot]

Hardly

[prisma pike]

It's diminishing but no not hardly

[untold ingot]

It's kind of irrelevant honestly

[south lance]

big number needs to scale with the game

[desert swallow]

I will agree that stryders were stupid to add. You could get resources way to quick, but genesis 2 they threw challenge out the window.
But please explain to me why more scarce items are easier to balance around?

[untold ingot]

Without a BP system like ark1, there is no point in having exact costs of more than say 50 or so

[south lance]

its why having exponentially more effective end game gear is cringe

[untold ingot]

The rates were already stupidly easy before stryders

[desert swallow]

Right, but you can agree stryders were exponentially better than anything before

[untold ingot]

Yes, but they don't inherently break the balance of item to structure ratio

[past wind]

That’s true, but stryders just made everything too op. You don’t even need to go back to the base to unload it. 😂

[south lance]

its cutting down on something people already deemed useless which is travel

[blissful perch]

You would if it meant a huge limitation on what could be crafted and how long it took to add new content

[untold ingot]

That's not the point I am trying to make though lol

[lavish rain]

Hear me out

[untold ingot]

The more pressing issue is the structure cost to BP cost ratio. That is what breaks the game in resources

[desert swallow]

A structure isn't an end game item

[lavish rain]

We play ark 2 by hacking a dev computer

[south lance]

the game is cheap enough that bps arent that big of an issue outside saddles

[untold ingot]

The exact number usage makes no difference as long as the ratio is preserved and maintained throughout the game

[south lance]

and some bps with insane poly counts cause slotcap

[untold ingot]

Cheap now, because of boosted rates.

[south lance]

wdym

[past wind]

Instead of BPs they might be focusing on the different resources to craft the items. I think it’s more balanced, because at least you need to explore the map to craft special items.

[prisma pike]

Wanna craft my Tek Rex bp? 😂

[south lance]

rates were only half what they were now but that was also way back

[untold ingot]

Yes. And because of component based crafting, the actual number value should be less

[lavish rain]

This will make me build a bunch of shit outposts one very corner of the map just to harvest 1 rescorce

[south lance]

gen2 is probably when resources got fucked up more than any other time just cause stryders

[untold ingot]

No lol, rates now on 1x are like 8x the launch rates

[south lance]

i always thought it was just .5x

[untold ingot]

Ab and ci did it too in their own way. Even rag lol

[lavish rain]

Cancer

[desert swallow]

nothing compares to gen 2, not even close

[past wind]

Even making it possible to have some op items, making them special resources dependent, makes it more balanced IMO

[south lance]

any farming method you used on another map got accelerated way above what it normally did because of stryders

[untold ingot]

Rates have been doubled twice since I started lol, and there was another double before

[untold ingot]

Again, that's not the issue I am discussing. I am more concerned with the ratios

[past wind]

I mean, super op items should need savaged tech super rare to find, as an example

[south lance]

idk how important those are, we already hit the point where millions in one resource were not abnormal

[untold ingot]

With the same amount of resources in ark1, you can make either a shotgun, or 200 structures lol. That balance is not right

[prisma pike]

Bro shotty bps only cost like 1.2k if they're ass

[past wind]

Not to mention evo events

[south lance]

i dont think structures matter that much

[untold ingot]

They should lol

[south lance]

mayhe

if they were stronger sure

[untold ingot]

Especially in a primative based world

[untold ingot]

They should be stronger

[past wind]

What? Have you ever played on pvp servers and their infinity spams?

[prisma pike]

Structures?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[south lance]

yes, im saying this cost ratio is not that insane

[untold ingot]

It is absolutely insane lol

[south lance]

the reason you see spam is because structures arent that valuable

[prisma pike]

😐 Spamming gates is already annoying af

[south lance]

and never really will be if they take so little to break

[past wind]

I think it is because everything is too easy to farm nowadays

[south lance]

i think thats been a thing for a while

dunno when structure spam was not a thing

especially cause transmitters exist

[past wind]

Just build a crafting base on genesis 2 and you will craft anything you want super fast

[untold ingot]

So, reduce the number value of items required to craft weapons. And reduce the over all harvest rates, and things like gates automatically jump in value, meaning spam like now doesn't happen as much

[past wind]

Since extinction I guess

Before extinction tek items were harder to craft

[blissful perch]

Slot capping on common mats is definitely an exercise in silly time wasting for making one BP

[south lance]

ya

[untold ingot]

Structures need to be more valuable

[south lance]

most bps arent that important, its really just saddle bps that went fucking crazy

[blissful perch]

Not sure I want the “50 wood is all you need to make anything but each tree drops 1 wood” model, but needing 10+k of anything is I’d agree a little much

[untold ingot]

And hence rarer, which forces resource harvesting to either get a nerf, or make structures cost way more

[past wind]

Not true

[south lance]

i think harvesting rates and bps were actually balanced around 450 tames

[south lance]

misworded, meant expensive

[past wind]

Flak bps, tek bow bps

[prisma pike]

Or just make them more expensive

[south lance]

not important