ark-2

[covert tapir]

id guess

[past wind]

It’s a possibility, for sure, but I would go differently 😂

Locking levels and features and items to people with DLCs

[covert tapir]

haa

thats some EA type of stuff

[past wind]

Ark does that, but not so clearly

[covert tapir]

i mean its map specific engrams and stuff

dont see anything wrong with that

[past wind]

3 of the four ascensions are exclusive to paid maps

[covert tapir]

but just locking stuff behind paywall without other new additions is not the vibe

[past wind]

And what I’ve said above wouldn’t change the way Ark does that. It would only unlock the maps for people without DLCs

Ark already locks tames, levels items behind paid dlcs

[covert tapir]

they are new maps tho, xd its not just spawning new stuff on the island after a paywall

[past wind]

From my point of view, it wouldn’t be just spawning new stuff on the island. But I see how people would see it. 🤣

Better locking by regions then

“Pay for this new continent and gets new cool stuff, but we are not selling the items, we selling the new map😉”

[covert tapir]

thats what a dlc is get over it lmao

people would be more mad if a map wasnt added

idk anyone who actually got mad over that stuff you are pointing out

[past wind]

Im suggesting a new model where the map wouldn’t be locked and you said it would be just like what EA does. 😂

Im just saying it’s different

[past wind]

That’s the catch here. 🤣

[covert tapir]

i cant think of a single game rn that just releases a new map for free

non story maps dont count

imo

[past wind]

I think you didn’t get my point. The new maps are irrelevant. The new ascensions, items, features and tames are what people want.

[covert tapir]

huh?! who thinks new maps are irrelevant lol

i loved scorched for example, and abberation, its cooler than only having 2km forest

[past wind]

For Ark 2 I would just let people travel freely in the map, but would lock the cool stuff, what they already in ark 1, in DLCs

[past wind]

Maps alone are. What makes them interesting is what I’ve said above. Features, items, ascensions and creatures.

I would just let explore the whole map freely.

[covert tapir]

noone buts a map alone without features

[past wind]

And lock just some items and features behind DLCs

[covert tapir]

those things are all part of the maps

its what makes them the map

[mint swan]

Did they change their idea on the third person only

[past wind]

No

[covert tapir]

you think people would like abberation if its just the same creatures and the same trees as in the island

[split dove]

no, get used to it, it's the best option with the new mechanics

[covert tapir]

noone wants that

[covert tapir]

as long as there is no more intense zooming out xd

idk what the perspective is

[past wind]

Man, I’m just suggesting they should let everybody go the “Ark 2 aberration” but those without DLCs wouldn’t be able to use some of the new stuff

Unlock the map, but keep everything else locked

[covert tapir]

that makes 0 sense to me

[past wind]

Fair enough

[covert tapir]

but i cant change your opinion anyway

[past wind]

You won’t indeed

[split dove]

third person only doesn't bother me, idc about perspective for third person only as long as it's not super bad, we're all sure they tried to make the new mechanics work in first person, but it probably wasn't as good seeing how they switched everything to third person only

[past wind]

Agreed. People don’t even know how Ark 2 will actually be, but they think first person would be a good idea.

They wouldn’t remove if it wasn’t bugged.

[split dove]

same with the ''souls like'' combat, we ain't even got gameplay yet and people thinking it's straight copy pasted from there. iirc Bluestone said ''souls like'' was just a buzzword used to describe it, at most it takes inspiration from it. Sidenote: i played God of war 2018 and that's third person only and also has ''souls like'' combat. even after multiple new saves i still enjoy the combat

[blissful perch]

Free DLC maps would like to have a word with you

[blissful perch]

How do you feature lock without locking the map? If a new creature is added to the wild on a map anyone can play, how do you only allow paying folks to interact it?

[lime flicker]

Maybe purchasing would unlock spawn locations, it wouldn’t spawn otherwise

[tropic crag]

Yeah, and the part where the DLC items and creatures are locked behind the paywall... uhhhh, last I checked, free maps have those 😂

There isn't a single engram you can't get without DLC

[lime flicker]

I’m ngl even if ark 2 was 150$ I’m still buying 🫣

[tropic crag]

Same here, if it looks good and fun and such

Which I'm going to imagine it will, more than likely

[blissful perch]

I’d say WC has gone to great effort to eventually grant free players all their content

With the exceptions of the story maps and their respective gimmicks that make them special

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

Minus like, the few measly levels that the paid maps grant, which don't really give much besides a level point that doesn't really matter at that point

[blissful perch]

I’ve never heard of someone buying a DLC just for an ascension

[tropic crag]

Same here

It's nice, but by no means necessary to get those levels just to be able to play the game 😂

[blissful perch]

It’s not required to buy any DLC, but in PvP you’re obviously gonna be slower to build up and you can’t chase people down unless you have tribe mates with the DLC

But the idea of hard locking content but keeping the same world map means any form of power creep is gonna get real ugly real fast. The benefit of that stuff being on other maps is that the power creep can stay on the new map (until transfers open at least)

[split dove]

besides a few paid dlc specific normal and mostly some tek ones

[past wind]

That’s my whole point. They already do what I’ve said. What want is, for the reason we have now the whole world of Arat to explore, they shouldn’t lock the regions of the planet behind DLCs.

[past wind]

Behind levels, items (engrams), features etc.

They can even lock the possibility of ascensions behind the DLCs (3 of the 4 ascensions of Ark 1 are in paid maps already).

[past wind]

Only after a long while. You can’t assess the DLCs just in the end of the game cycle.

Back in 2016 scorched was an OP map. Today it’s s irrelevant.

Ragnarok killed scorched (it has all exclusive engrams and creatures).

[split dove]

Island is technicly a paid map if you really think about it, you gotta spend money on the game to even use it

[past wind]

Well, all 4 ascensions are behind a paywall then.

[split dove]

oh darn, ascension is completely pay to win

[past wind]

Now you get it.

All I want is the map being 100% free to all the peeps

[blissful perch]

That makes no sense is my point, and it wildly restricts what can be added

Since a map can’t change without wiping people’s bases, that model in essence permanently feature locks the ark 2 map into one static state

[blissful perch]

Also uh wut. You can’t lock a feature behind a feature. The idea is that two equal skill players, one of which paid to get an advantage the other can’t, is a terrible scenario. In ark 1 that’s resolved to a degree by free maps that bring features to free players and allowing people to freely share DLC content except the map to each other. The map is the sole DLC exclusive and thus is critical to its function

[vestal parrot]

I cant believe ark 2 is going to be 3rd person only. Stupidest idea ever, will not be playing.

Lets take all the immersion out of a dinosaur survival game!

[split dove]

@blissful perch 🍻

let's just ignore every game that's third person only that's actually immersive then, otherwise your sad argument wouldn't be possible

[ripe cedar]

first person is more of a crutch for immersiveness than anything else

the world and how it the player interacts with it and it interacts with itself are more important in my opinion

[covert tapir]

im just interested to see if the camera goes ovet the shoulder or its like behind our back

if we can change that

[blissful perch]

we drink to third person too? Could have sworn it was just release date lol

[ripe cedar]

probably further back than right behind shoulder

[covert tapir]

a beer is a beer

[blissful perch]

it may auto flip depending on scenario (for example when you mount a tame, etc)

[split dove]

same crying we see commonly

[ripe cedar]

or piss

[covert tapir]

🍻

[covert tapir]

im not into piss personally

[ripe cedar]

me neither

[south lance]

i think release date is the only clinker thatll last

people kinda quit complaining about tp a while ago

the last dude is exceptional

[ripe cedar]

look so ark 2 has a 2 in it and is third person so ark 2 will be released in 2023

[past wind]

Fair enough, I just think if the map is really the whole world of Arat, it would be odd to have geographical locks (a barrier?). Anyways, I better wait and see the new world map system.

[covert tapir]

tho i would like first person to have more of like a danger feeling idk if that makes sense

[ripe cedar]

then that is a tiny ass planet

[south lance]

if only it had first person 💀

[covert tapir]

ark 1 i never played first person unless on foot

[blissful perch]

imo it could be like fast travel regions or something where there isn't a physical barrier

[south lance]

ark1 has 5th person

[ripe cedar]

...

[south lance]

the slave farmer

[covert tapir]

yeah i really wanna know how they create the world bordee

[blissful perch]

walk me through this...you're saying first person doesn't feel dangerous? I'd say the limited FOV by default makes it more dangerous

[covert tapir]

maybe its still something with the implant range and the ship

[covert tapir]

it is more dangerous thats why i like it

and i would like it in ark 2 seeing our new parcour style in first person

being chased by a raptor not knowing if it catches up

[blissful perch]

i agree that losing that isn't ideal...I think the best movement in gaming (natural selection 2) can be done in first person

but the benefits of third person are pretty large, and I think WC owning that choice is a positive

[covert tapir]

as long as they only choose one

having both there will be some kind of advantages or abuse with camera cause im sure there are plenty of bugs coming at us

its still wildcard

[south lance]

yall think theyll add in orbit cam again

[ripe cedar]

maybe if it doesn't zoom out insanely far and clip through terrain

I think that you could just use the normal cam at that point though

[south lance]

ya

[ripe cedar]

since most of the time unless you are trying to see through walls its for taking screenshots

[south lance]

well, it also allowed much wider view at the cost of control

i used it a lot to look for shit near me

esp when afk or just holding w

or not afk but still

[ripe cedar]

yeah but I don't think it should exist

even in ark 1, its just we are too used to it

well I guess you can't move the ark 1 third person camera to the front but its not like I would every want to with how ugly players look

[south lance]

fair enough

plus it gets annoying toggling it when youre on a big tame and the orbit cam is as far as normal 3p

not a huge issue but the cam wasnt a huge plus either

[vestal parrot]

I didn't say anything about other games being third person. But if you think 3p is as immersive as 1p or the OPTION TO CHOOSE then good for you

I dont use 1p on dinos but on foot 1000%

[split dove]

just bc the player third person in Ark 1 is bad doesn't immediately mean the one in Ark 2 built with TPO in mind will also be as bad

[blissful perch]

it's worse to have first person if the combat mechanics aren't built around first person. You can have exceedingly lazy tells and combat animations in first person, but if you need to react to both opponent tells and your OWN combat animations, you'll never see them in first and thus will suffer a great deal in combat

[grim kestrel]

Official going to be strictly 3rd person in Ark 2, but they are allowing mod community to re-enable 1st person for unofficial servers.

[verbal wind]

looks like i'm never touching official

[grim kestrel]

As Shifter pointed out 1st person could pose you a problem with the combat system not being designed for it if it depends on seeing your own as well as your tagets animation

[split dove]

if it's the same pvp community i ain't ever even thinking about official. gonna do a private server anyway

[grim kestrel]

I play/played Ark 99% exclusively in 3rd person either way, the only time I ever went 1st person was to cryo smaller dinos.

So works for me

[split dove]

player perspective isn't that big of a deal for me tbh, i'd rather have the game be made in the perspective that fits best with the game design that looks good as well when you play it, rather than trying to make something meant for TPO work in FPO and it ending up being worse than if they went with just TPO for the whole game.

[desert swallow]

Fix old! No new!

[unique bobcat]

I think first person makes some ppl nauseous idk if that’s why they’re changing it but still

I do like the option to choose tho

[desert swallow]

Third person is better for souls like combat.

[errant folio]

I play ark in 3rd person I like it more...

[tropic crag]

Good, I hope official isn't even offered in it's current state tbh

Horrible rates, suggest everyone runs an unofficial ASAP

[untold ingot]

I would be really surprised if that is the reason lol

[untold ingot]

Rates on official are horrible? Imo it's too easy to stock up

[tropic crag]

Parkour in fps games can and does make people motion sick/nauseous, yes

[tropic crag]

You telling me that you wanna sit there for a fuckin WEEK raising... literally one dino? Ok, go off I guess 🤣

[untold ingot]

I am pretty sure they made the change due to the different combat system

[tropic crag]

So am I, but the motion sickness mitigation is a cool side effect, no?

Pretty proactive of them, rather than reactive

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am not complaining. First person in ark1 is already bad enough as it is lol

[tropic crag]

Would love if they released it with the FPS mod enabled first just to prove the dipsticks that think it'd fit wrong 😂

[split dove]

Was my plan from the start anyway, private server with friends where I can adjust settings whenever I have to

[split dove]

Hey man, those 5 min camera swaps will surely be better than the game design meant for third person only.

[untold ingot]

I just want ark to be a game with low rates, and no stupid expensive bps

[blissful perch]

I want ark to decide what it wants to be: if it’s gonna be an MMO focused experience on insane long haul progression rates should be low as hell, but progress needs more protection

If it wants to focus on survival, rates should be higher so that you feel like a given play session isn’t wasted on mindless grind that’s intended to falsely extend gameplay

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's kind of both lol

Recent ark has shifted into the super high rates, just because people are bored with farming and want late game stuff earlier

ND because bps are stupid expensive usually

[unique bobcat]

same lol

[blissful perch]

Exactly why I want ark to be a bit more clear

[untold ingot]

I just don't want to have to have a stockpile of 1million metal that I farmed in an hour that can either build and entire base, or make 10 saddles lol

[blissful perch]

The issue right now is that high rates mean there’s nothing to DO

If there’s something to actually go out and DO, rates can be higher so you’re actually experiencing something

[quartz vine]

Y’all better make this shit have 3rd person

If you don’t I’m reporting y’all to the government 😤

[hallow wasp]

Ark 2 is based around 3rd person..

[quartz vine]

Oh I thought someone said it won’t have 3rd person

It might have been 1st person

Not 3rd

[acoustic ginkgo]

That’s just a weak mentality

[hallow wasp]

Yeah and if you wanna be for sure go to ark2 on the Microsoft website it’ll say "Best-in-class, third-person action
Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing. parkour, sliding and swinging! An emphasis on 'Souls-like' melee combat driven by player skill, with target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers and special attacks."

[untold ingot]

Bad camera angles usually

[acoustic ginkgo]

If your brain can’t tell the he difference between irl and a game,that’s pretty weak

[untold ingot]

I think your idea of the science of it is a bit weak lol

[astral token]

Skill issues

[south lance]

what is going ON

[prisma pike]

Dying light?

Getting motion sick/nauseous only happens if people don't learn how to stabilize a camera when developing the game.

[untold ingot]

No clue

[lavish rain]

Can't get motion sick if your already motion sick from being drunk 🧠

[untold ingot]

Bruh

[cold locust]

A little late on the map talk but I think if they had a wrap around map like atlas uses it would be stellar. No need for borders that way

[untold ingot]

I mean it is a planet they are saying it is. It would be epic if you could travel the whole planet

[cold locust]

Absolutely. And with the capabilities of UE 5 oh man it could be great. I like to imagine that they’ve been using atlas as a stepping stone in n the development of Ark 2. The way they handle switching servers is amazing compared to the obelisks in ark 1.

[untold ingot]

Whatever it is, I want the map to be gigantic, with a desert canyon that is huge, a giant dangerous forest, a huge grasslands, and a giant ocean

[cold locust]

I think we’ve had this conversation before. I agree whole heartedly

[untold ingot]

Yeah, we are probably among the few that want a biiig map lol

Everyone else seems to want a tiny map

[cold locust]

Bah. You can still have smaller land masses and then, like in atlas, cross the ocean to get to a new land mass. It is a planet after all.

[untold ingot]

I want the small land masses the each be as big as gen2. And the water to be 10x the size

I want it to be so big that you can sail out to sea and not see any land

[cold locust]

Have you seen the size of the single player map in atlas? Its around 625x the size of the island. Now that would be epic in ark 2.

[untold ingot]

I have never played atlas

[cold locust]

Well it’s buggy as hell but some of the mechanics are stellar. The way you travel around being one of them.

Traveling in a straight line could easily take 2 hours traveling at 15 knots just to wrap around to your starting point. And you would have only touched 25 of the 625 grids available.

Sorry a correction it’s only 169x larger then Ark. it’s 13 x 13 grids the size of the island.

I was way off. But still huge

[stray elm]

Nah, otherway around

ARK-2 is only 3rd person, with no 1st person

[cold locust]

Ok broken record I know but the map size in atlas single player is 35490 km squared. Just checked. That would be an epic map size for ark 2. 😁

[stray elm]

Yeah, the single-player map of ATLAS with it all being land I'd be down with.

It's huge, but not fucking gigantic as the official server versions are

[cold locust]

Currently officials have cut down drastically in size for testing purposes. There are larger unofficial maps like 17x17 but no official maps that big

[untold ingot]

If it had an ocean of similar size it would be okay

[astral token]

If there's a whole huge ass map idk who's paying for my 4090Ti Super XTX++ but it ain't me 😂

[astral token]

A giant lag spike when you switch off hibernation to allow half the things to work 💀

I don't want a tiny map either, but most devs look at what the average Steam player uses

So a 1660 and 16 GB RAM will likely be able to push Medium at 60 fps

Those are the top charted hardwares on steam now

Believe it or not most people don't even have 30 series cards 👍🏽

[marble thunder]

UE5 is supposed to be more performant, so should be fine I guess.

[astral token]

Theoretically it's more performant under the exact same scenarios

But we must consider this is ARK

[cold locust]

Bah the map system works great for atlas and that’s still running UE 4

[marble thunder]

We'll see with ARK 1, UE5 upgrade.

[marble thunder]

You mean multiple servers for one giant map?

[cold locust]

Every 250km square is its own map

I mean server

[marble thunder]

Yeah, they might take successful ideas from both ARK 1 and Atlas to make ARK 2.

[cold locust]

I’m hoping so. Server transfer is almost instant in Atlas

All you do is sail across the border and boom, you’re there.

[astral token]

What about singleplayer?

People who can't rent servers

[cold locust]

Same thing there

The single player map is 13x13

[astral token]

If the whole map isn't loaded do you know the number of issues that pop up?

In ARK 1 itself

[cold locust]

It would be servers. So the same problem jumping from one to the other but a smoother transition

[astral token]

And pray who will pay for these servers?

[marble thunder]

Wildcard.

(with official servers)

[astral token]

Joke of the year 10/10

I am never. Fucking. Playing. Official

If singleplayer goes I am going with it 👍🏽

[cold locust]

Single player is all inclusive. Official is covered by the developer and unofficials are paid for by the owner or multiple owners of the cluster

Just like ark

[astral token]

No, I mean that if on Singleplayer, somebody wants to play with hibernation off (i.e. loading the full map) how will that person pull it off?

[cold locust]

Well you can’t. That would be crazy

Why would you need to have everything spawned in 10 servers away? That’s like crazy talk

The size of every server is more then double the size of ark map

[astral token]

In ARK I, unless you load a whole map at a time, several things break:

1. Creature & other worldwide scans
2. Creature spawns and respawns
3. Fixed point spawns (loot drops & artifacts)

These are a few apparent and major ones

[cold locust]

Yes but you are talking about having more then one map loaded in at a time.

[astral token]

If you have to reload the game every time you switch between these interconnected "maps" how is it any better 😂

U just have to press a few lesser buttons

It's a nice QoL feature I guess

[cold locust]

For me to move a raft and a handful of tames to a new map all I have to do is cross the border with it and have a 1-2 second load screen to move. Can you do that with ark currently?

In single player?

It’s a huge pain in the ass to move everything in single player ark

It’s a much better way in my opinion.

[astral token]

Ideally I would agree with u 100% but considering it's WC those 1-2 seconds make me fear

[cold locust]

Well crossing a server border in single player is the only thing not glitched out so they got that one figured out.😂

[astral token]

hopefully

[cold locust]

Well that’s if they even implement it in Ark 2 which I’m hoping they do

[untold ingot]

With Ue5 it is probably possible to move across huge sections of terrain without a loading screen. The issue will come if that same map is spread out over various servers on official

[cold locust]

Indeed. They will find a way

I believe 😁

[tropic crag]

Already stated my piece on the "huge for no reason other than to be huge" map ideas, and it went a little like this; 🤮

[feral folio]

People actually believe ARK II will become a success from a developer that havent even finished their 1st product after 8 years? 😄

[lime forge]

Yeah. That seems to represent the quality of all your opinions too.

[verbal wind]

it's almost like making games is hard or something

[feral folio]

Please dont be that guy! You simply cant argue against that is beyond all critique that a developer to THIS DAY - Still charge money for an 8 year old game, that they don't want to fix - We are talking 5 year old bugs/glitches that are very well known - That I will guarantee you that they are not looking at whatsoever!

So you actually put in hope for ARK II? With Atlas and ARK I being your go-to argument to defend them?... sure..

[lime forge]

They did finish Ark 1 though. They’ve already openly stated that most issues in Ark 1 would require them to start from scratch to fix and that it wasn’t a feasible option at that point.

[worldly garden]

I don't think all bugs can be fixed with the way ARK 1 is built, but maybe UE5 will give some help there. Anyway, kudos to you coming into the ARK 2 channel to poke fun at everyone looking forward to it. /s

[feral folio]

That is nothing - But a very bad excuse - Maybe they should have fixed it before adding several new maps, new dinos etc.

[feral folio]

Oh - So this channel is simply only for the "I LOVE ARK SO MUCH" opinions?

[lime forge]

They’re hiring. Put in your resume and help em out with your vast experience.

[cold locust]

I believe that the little company that tried to do a couple of huge genre projects learned from their early years and are ready to create an amazing game with the knowledge and experience gained in their endeavours. It really doesn’t matter if they succeed, there will always be haters out there to complain that past efforts weren’t enough or the current effort was not what the “fan base” wanted. In the end the only thing that matters is that they accomplished what they wanted to do and there are players that have enjoyed what they have created and continue to create. So go play gta 5 or COD or something that you would rather be playing instead of coming here and spewing your negativity over something that is. So far beyond you.

[untold ingot]

Some of these bugs and glitches lots of people would really complain if they were fixed lol. Specifically the mutation cap lol

[mighty lion]

Ngl if they have a low cap/ no mutations in ARK2 I'm gonna be disappointed

[mighty lion]

You can voice any opinions and people can voice opposition to your opinions or opinions of your opinions lol

I think mutation stacking is a main attraction and beneficial feature to ark overall. And that is not a popular opinion among most who frequent this chat lol

[untold ingot]

I think it's too much lol

The 255 cap is ridiculous honestly

It wouldn't be bad if it was for minor improvements, but when a capped Dino is literally 100x better than a tamed on its a bit dumb lol

[untold totem]

beneficial?

stat mutations are the whole reason why PVE is lackluster and PVP is just a gatekeep contest with the only way for new players go play official if the servers are wiped

and may i remind you those stupid stat mutations are the whole reason why there is a "market" for virtual dinos on ebay

[mighty lion]

I picked up the game originally because it had base building and mutations. I've also spoken to other players that started playing because they thought mutation breeding was cool, so imo I'd say it's a benefit as far as a draw to play

[untold totem]

it's cool as a mere concept but it's downright broken to the point where the game is just monotone

and also your point if stat mutations being "beneficial" is nothing more than a personal thing

same reason why i keep playing ARK because of the taming

ARK 2 can do just fine without the stat mutation

in fact it's beneficial to the gameplay loop to not have it

[mighty lion]

As for the gate keeping and market side of things. It may be different on pc, but for xbox there is very little " gatekeeping ". Typically on 1 or 2 muts above market. I'm currently in 5 ark market discords and have been a certified trader myself, but never trader for anything besides in game items. Most new players can trade arb or c4 for any top stat dino.

[untold totem]

ARK is a survival game not a grind market sim

[mighty lion]

I disagree, I think removing it would stagnate the game for PVP and require increased creatire releases to give players a reason to play between dlcs

[mighty lion]

Sure, but spending a few hours to get the best items in game is definitely not " gate keeping"

[untold totem]

lmao it's already stagnated currently where is the "benefit"?

at this point people just wait for either ARK 2 or ARK 1.5, not keep breeding for mutations

hell i have seen people begging to be raided just to be liberated from stagnation

[mighty lion]

My opinion is from when I quit playing 1 1/2 years ago, but alot of people would play because they genuinely liked breeding for mutations and the competition of continually upgrading your dinos is enjoyable

[untold totem]

citation?

[mighty lion]

Lol

[untold totem]

i dont see people go play ARK just for mutations alone

they usually go for raiding bobs with their super capped tames or eachother

[mighty lion]

Maybe you just have a different experience from me and a majority of the people I've played with

And that's ok

[mighty lion]

That gets boring fast tbh

[untold totem]

yee the "majority" is not just the "XBox/Win10 PVP players"

[mighty lion]

Of people I've played with* you must've not caught that

[untold totem]

that is my point why there is no benefit to keep the stat mutation

[mighty lion]

You think we just raid Bob's? Is your point

[cold locust]

With the focus on story in Ark 2 I’m sure there would be plenty to do other then breeding

[untold totem]

and you missed the update

[untold totem]

sadly linear story is just linear, it gets real boring real fast

[cold locust]

Who said it was linear?

[mighty lion]

Having a few stat difference when fighting top tribes is the point and why stat mutations is nice to have

[untold totem]

i am basing this on Gen 2's voiced stories and i'd say it's kinda linear

[cold locust]

The story in the first game was amazing and most players didn’t even realize it was there. I know a guy that has put 8k hrs into the game and didn’t even realize there was lore

He just thought the game was rust with Dino breeding

[untold totem]

so basically just a few circle of tribes raiding eachother.... hence the "gatekeep" i mentioned

it's basically just tribes with the same stat army with no longer variations that give any tribe advantage anymore because it's already capped

[mighty lion]

If by a small circle, you mean openly available to most players, sure.

Your gatekeeping logic doesnt match reality

[untold totem]

the thing is... most people dont know the lore exist until Neddy The Noodle made a cinematic (or the other audio reads before him) lol

[mighty lion]

One or two stats above market doesnt constitute gatekeeping when anyone is free to try and get mutations

[untold totem]

technically that is the reality

it's either just a few tribes play legitly raided each other or some scrub with money bought a capped line off of ebay

now tell me... who is getting the benefit again?

[cold locust]

I’m on board with the gate keeping thing. I tried to break into small tribes pvp and we made great progress only to be wiped by another group with super Dino’s. The only way it’s accessible to everyone is to join the already established groups that have them.

[mighty lion]

I agree to disagree with you

[untold totem]

i already showed you the real reality my guy

you dont even need to be a steam player to experience it

[mighty lion]

No you stuck in your own broseph and arguing with you is futile

So agree to disagree

[untold totem]

🤣

[mighty lion]

Its 3 a.m. and I just mentioned it to prove a point, which you did for me lol

That we can argue and disagree

[untold totem]

still didn't answer why stat mutation is still a "benefit" despite the obvious OBVIOUS flaw, in both PVP and PVE, across all gaming platforms, PC and Console and Mobile (if i want to be generous)

WC never intended to make the 225 cap in the first place

[cold locust]

People who enjoy breeding will still enjoy breeding as long as they get something unique out of it.

[untold totem]

color mutations my guy

[cold locust]

That’s my point.

[untold totem]

i am talking about the obviously broken stat mutations

color mutations is fine

[mighty lion]

Bro I dont want to continue this arguement with you but the benefits *** IMO*** :

1. The sense of continual progression
2. Edge in combat during raids/defenses
3. Added dimensionality to the game
4. A sense of accomplishment in the game
5. Some players actually enjoy it.

[cold locust]

Breeding is still viable without mutations. I’m agreeing with you my guy

At any rate Ark 2 will be a new beast and not everyone will like it but I’m hoping we can all enjoy it.

[untold totem]

1. until it becomes stagnant to the point where people begging to be raided just to liberate their duty as a breeder
2. there are better ways than just super dinos, like locations, base format, turret placing, and even acknowledging the dino's abilities
3. basically became a one dimensional game lol with a linear game play loop of "breed > sleep > grind > raid" and lost the "sandboxyness" of what ARK is trying to be
4. not anymore when everything is easy or monotonic
5. enjoyment is subjective
6. you never answered the part where PVE is pointless when you have super capped dinos

[mighty lion]

Yeah, hope they show new tidbits soon

[mighty lion]

Tldr

[astral token]

I am honestly inclined to agree with most of Maz's points.

The 20 mutation cap needs to be strictly adhered to, not easily circumventable

[south lance]

breeding as an endgame mechanic to keep players playing is only valid because ark endgame is garbage due to how easy it is after a couple steep progression jumps

the only progression that meaningfully exists is breeding whether you like it or not, and its built to just be gambling time away for slightly bigger numbers or colors

[astral token]

Remember, mods will exist for all platforms now

So even peasants will have access to a large supply of content

[blissful perch]

I don’t disagree with your point…which is that ark 1 really leans hard on mutation stacking for extending gameplay engagement. The hope is that ark 2 can build other systems that satisfy the needs you highlight here in some way and nix the horrendous mutation system

Gotta remember there’s also a sampling bias: many of the people playing ark these days kinda HAVE to like something that takes years to complete, and breeding is that something

[untold totem]

And that is why mods being available in all formats are now in ARK 2

a far better content expansion than just making one (should be a cool) feature like mutation more monotonous

[blissful perch]

Mods should never be used as a replacement for vanilla content

[untold totem]

It is not, like I just said

An expansion

[blissful perch]

Removing content from ark and making ark 2 more shallow, then saying “mods can add depth back” is a flawed idea

[untold totem]

And tbh some people started with modded ARK, so it's not really mandatory unless it's more of a "play with friends" thing

I don't say breeding should be removed

Just the idea of keeping the literal broken feature like the stat mutation as a "vanilla content expansion"

[blissful perch]

Ah, in that case sure a mod that adds mutations stacking would probably appease some folks

The worst case scenario (mutation stacking is unchanged) could even be mitigated to a degree if WC adds formal settings to circumvent it in SP/unofficial…in ark 1 you must use mods to make that process manageable

[untold ingot]

Along with this player leveled stats need to go

[astral token]

Since players will have skill trees dinos can slso have mini skill trees

“Strong Jaw” — Dino deals 3% more damage

“Thick skin” — Dino doesn’t give a fuck takes 5% less damage

[untold ingot]

Ark1 pvp is very restricted to people who have been playing for years. It takes a lot for a new player to get used to it and figure out how to get lines. Typically they just give up. If ark2 has a breeding system the same as ark1 the. It'll turn out the same. A slowly shrinking pool pf players that doesn't really get bigger.

Ideally the curve on ark2 will be more logarithmic in progression for pvp, instead of the hyper exponential curve it is rn

[astral token]

The XP graph is a pseudo straight line till lvl 110

Multiplies to around 10^5 times its initial value by the end

[untold ingot]

Xp is not an issue lol

It is too easy though

[astral token]

The “midgame” is non existent

[untold ingot]

That in an of itself doesn't cause an issue for pvp

In any game the good pvp happens at a high level anyway

It has to be rough to get there, but something like 1/2 of 1x rates without notes should do thst imo

The space between late game levels is too much though

[desert swallow]

The problem with ark is the people at "end game" can and will reset players trying to reach that point.

ark pvp that is

[untold ingot]

Imo that's not that big of an issue

[gray vale]

Constant unofficial server crashes when the server is restarted, and maybe adding mods to console like how pc has mods if this is possible.

[untold ingot]

I get the feeling that you aren't getting constant ark2 server crashes, so you might be in the wrong channel lol

[gray vale]

Maybe also compatibility with keyboard and mouse, and maybe making the game cross-platform for PC, Xbox, and Playstation.

[untold ingot]

Oohh, you are making suggestions?

[gray vale]

Yeah.

[untold ingot]

My bad

[gray vale]

It's ok

[untold ingot]

Mods are supposed to be on all platforms, and there should be cross play available, what that looks like on official remains to be seen

[fallow niche]

We just don't know about Playstation

[gray vale]

True :/

[untold ingot]

Server stability definitely is a big thing that needs looking at. I think a lot of it will get fixed by making it harder to build, and not requiring such vast amounts of spam and such to stay alive

[long nova]

When do you guys think ark 2 gameplay reveal will come out

First or second half of 2023

[ripe cedar]

First

[long nova]

My current guess is April 28th

[split dove]

basing it off the fact they said ''Since the announcement of ARK 2, we've watched the community's excitement and anticipation rise as we continued to work diligently in the background to define the new survival experience. Despite anticipating our next showing of ARK 2 to be a gameplay showcase, we see the hunger and eagerness for more ARK 2 information, and we get it. We’ve decided to give you a peek behind the curtain and begin showcasing more ARK 2 tidbits regularly as we lead up to the first gameplay trailer. We hope you enjoy these appetizers, and we can’t wait for you to get your hands on the main course'' it shouldn't be that long anymore i reckon

[long nova]

That long in terms of what

Business days long

Or just a short amount of time

[ripe cedar]

We dont know

[split dove]

all we know is we're gonna get some teasers before they show the gameplay

[ripe cedar]

And if there are waiting for it to be in a pretty decent state i cant imagine that the launch would be that much longer

[split dove]

i hope they don't pull a battlefield 2042 where they said ''the game was turning out better than expected'' and it being broken enough to reach Mars on launch

[ripe cedar]

Well tbf no triple a company would ever openly say our game is a fucking shitshow

[long nova]

I’m preordering ark 2 don’t care if it’s bad at launch I’m still playing it exactly at launch date

[split dove]

event ho most of them launch like that now 🤣

[ripe cedar]

Most devs wouldn’t

Because even if it sucks they still spent a lot of time making it( probably)

[long nova]

The only part I find weird is third person only

I don’t really like it that much

[split dove]

yh, i'm good with delays as long as it's improved upon compared to what original release was gonna be like

[ripe cedar]

All i will say is dont think of it as ark 1 third person because that is pretty bad for players especially

[long nova]

And souls like combat is not the best

[split dove]

but ark 1 spam combat is any better?

[long nova]

I mean I guess I am biased because I don’t play pvp

[ripe cedar]

Its pretty good, but it really depends on the type of weapons we get in the game

[split dove]

idc about anything else if we can make allo skull clubs from the first trailer

[ripe cedar]

I very much doubt that it would be limited to just allos

[split dove]

only thing we kinda saw for now, and my main weapon of interest i want to see

[desert swallow]

There are a lot of people who like souls like combat. It does make fights way more interesting. People don't like change though, I get it.

[grim kestrel]

That was one of the main parts that has me hyped the most and I'm a PvE player. I don't play any PvP either except for SoTF.

[astral token]

Left click spam ftw 💪🏽

[untold ingot]

I am pretty hyped about the souls combat tbh

I find it to be a more enjoyable gameplay

[astral token]

Sarcasm in case it was too subtle

What many are failing to understand is that Souls-like combat doesn’t mean it’s gonna be a dark souls like gwme with that level of difficulty

[untold ingot]

8 hope it is lol

[astral token]

U want my skill issues to be out in public 😐

[sonic elbow]

That's the fun part of Souls combat

You have a skill issue

Then you get better

Now it's not just a spam sim, it's a skill sim

If you get killed by another Survivor, just git gud, whatever your definition of gud is

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with souls combat as long as the horrible souls leveling and death system isn’t in ark 2

If I have to sit and wait for a loading screen each death and have to figure out what a bunch of obscure stats do I’m gonna be pissed

[grim kestrel]

It did say souls-like key word "like" then specified dodge, targeting, combos, and special attacks

So from that we can come to a conclusion until more info that the combat will probably match in that aspect not leveling and loading screens while respawning

[untold ingot]

I really do enjoy games that make it hardish to progress lol

[blissful perch]

As long as it’s more monster hunter than dark souls I’m happy

[untold ingot]

For combat yes. For gameplay loop I hope it's nothing like either of them lol

[blissful perch]

I’d cry tears of joy if it’s monster hunter with building tbh

Monster hunter world was almost the perfect game for me, it just needed a little bit more in the way of crafting and building and it would easily best ark 1 as a product (well, and maybe add taming lol)

[past wind]

About movement, I hope the players will be able to move around the map more easily than in Ark 1.

I want to move around like Tarzan

[untold ingot]

I hope it's not easy to move everywhere lol

[blissful perch]

Movement should be fluid and smooth

[untold ingot]

Yes, but not super fast like ark1

[blissful perch]

TRAVEL SPEED should be capped sharply so the map doesn’t shrink

[past wind]

Not everywhere, but things like climbing should be there

[past wind]

Ark 1 on foot isn’t super fast

[untold ingot]

Climbing and grapples like atlas sure. But swinging like bloodstalkers nah

[untold ingot]

It is too fast imo

[past wind]

On foot? Not saying riding Dinos

On foot, IMO, isn’t great. Too slow, too limited.

[blissful perch]

On foot at default 100% speed isn’t too fast

Gremlin speed I hope is flat out removed, which should help

[split dove]

Remove gremlin models as well

[untold ingot]

200% movement speed is faster than any ground Dino lol

Its almost as fast as a flier lol

[blissful perch]

Assuming that’s removed, the mantling system seems excellent

Remove maewings and a few other gliders, and keep flier stamina limited (or enforce some other limitations on them) and I think we have a sweet spot

[untold ingot]

Mantling is nice, but hopefully it's not like cod with .5 second ttk with a mantle that takes 5 seconds

[split dove]

Flier wings should also receive more dmg

[untold ingot]

I don't think flier Stam should be nerfed. But I do think their weight and damage should be

[blissful perch]

Again I’m assuming fluid mantling rather than start stop like other games

Also, a major reduction in ranged weapon strength should free that up a bit

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that needs to be a think

[blissful perch]

If nobody can pick you off with a fabi, that would help

[untold ingot]

Games are just too easy with ranged damage

[past wind]

The fact I have no idea how will be the World Map, makes it harder to discuss those details. But if the map is really massive, most of op stuff from Ark 1 will just be ok. Like flyers stamina.

Atlas has no flyers at all

[blissful perch]

Depends heavily on the game

[lavish rain]

Damn call of duty is easy i guess

[blissful perch]

But ark has melee (mostly) tames and ranged (mostly) players…which is a rough asymmetry that hasn’t been properly explored imo

[blissful perch]

Bad example: COD is stupid easy

[untold ingot]

Tbh yeah it is lol

[lavish rain]

🚬

[split dove]

Only "challenge" are some DMZ bots

[untold ingot]

Sure it has. Irl that concept has been explored quite a bit, and now we have exclusively ranged weapons. Soooo

[ripe cedar]

They mentioned botw when talking about that sort of stuff although i doubt it will be as free as that game

[lavish rain]

Players are worse

[ripe cedar]

Thats why it is primitive

Gun too op pls nerf

[untold ingot]

Not by much lol.

[lavish rain]

Snipers

[blissful perch]

It’s been poorly explored because I’ve not seen jack done to really dig into what that does for gameplay

[lavish rain]

I mean vodka

[split dove]

Reject hitscan, embrace projectiles and melee

[untold ingot]

If snipers are as hard to use in ark2 as the are irl then it would be good

[lavish rain]

Add vodka and I'll be happy

[untold ingot]

Those have been trash in warzone for ages lol

[blissful perch]

Natural selection 2 explores that asymmetric gameplay through level design and balance. Ark doesn’t seem to really do much except give players what works (ranged) and accept that most creatures are gonna be used for melee (tanking/close range combat) or should be given ranged weapons to be used like players 😂

[lavish rain]

Im talking about multi-player jackass

[lavish rain]

What is your unhealthy obsession with the game

[untold ingot]

Snipers suck there too lol, marksmans is where the meta usually is

[untold ingot]

Says the ark player unironically 😂😂😂

[lavish rain]

I hardly play anymore

I only player to do renders and do trades

[blissful perch]

That’s the game I have the most commitment and time spent on: it’s not ark

I have about double my ark hours in natural selection 2, and there’s good reason for it

[lavish rain]

So you don't even like ark

[south lance]

i only have 1k hours on steam

here is why my opinion matters more than yours

[lavish rain]

You should be brewing

[untold ingot]

Bunch of bobs lol 😂😂

[blissful perch]

I think ark is innovative and remarkable, and I had fun with it. But it’s not my #1 game. Ark 2 easily could be

[lavish rain]

Remarkable? Did you find my stash?

[blissful perch]

I want games like ark to make me figure out how to survive or overcome hostile situations with a diverse toolkit

Early game ark 1 kinda does that. Ark 2 sounds like it can really deliver

[lavish rain]

You said the survival is shit

[untold ingot]

I just want fun pve that I can okay with friends and feel challenged bynit

It's been a long time since I felt challenged in a game

[winged dome]

Ark for me just kinda hits all those Skinner boxes just right, so I keep coming back despite long breaks

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 after the early game for sure

[lavish rain]

Yes!

[winged dome]

No other game imo gives such freedom of exploration and building, freedom to try new things in different ways

[blissful perch]

Minecraft 🧠

[untold ingot]

Minecraft doesn't lol

[winged dome]

Too square for my taste

[lavish rain]

Minecraft is nothing but building, and you literally said that @blissful perch

[untold ingot]

Ark gameplay is more varied than mine raft

[blissful perch]

You’re tripping if you don’t think minecraft has the most freedom for almost anything

[lavish rain]

Exactly my point

[lavish rain]

Besides building

[south lance]

ark base game is better than mc

[untold ingot]

Being able to demo and place everything doesn't mean it has more freedom

[south lance]

but vanilla mc isnt really the main thing

[lavish rain]

I was fighting shifter yesterday over this exact topic

[blissful perch]

Ark’s got more challenge than minecraft vanilla, but there is endless potential in minecraft that ark will never achieve

[lavish rain]

What?

[south lance]

people play servers and mods

[untold ingot]

Like what lol

[south lance]

idk the percentage of whole playerbase

[blissful perch]

Name anything, and minecraft can have it

[south lance]

but arks range of community content is way behind minecrafts

[lavish rain]

So minecrsft can't even be fun without somebody making the game better with mods

[south lance]

doesnt help that minecraft has the intrinsic advantage of more players

[lavish rain]

Drugs

Roulette

[blissful perch]

Has it

[untold ingot]

Riding dinosaurs, or an actual challenging gameplay

[blissful perch]

With mods, has both

[lavish rain]

Got meth

[blissful perch]

Has it

[lavish rain]

Key word, with mods. You need other people to make the game fun for you

[lavish rain]

No it dosent

[blissful perch]

Both of what YOU suggested is in vanilla

[untold ingot]

... There was a whole argument the other day about how if you have to use mods to play it, then it's not a good game lol

[blissful perch]

The argument is that mods don’t substitute for base game design

[lavish rain]

My argument summarized

[lavish rain]

This too

[blissful perch]

Minecraft isn’t meant to be intense, because it’s meant for all ages

If you WANT intense, a non vanilla experience, you use mods

[untold ingot]

And ark base game design is more varied and interesting than minecraft

[lavish rain]

This is why I can't win arguments, I can't manipulate words like raq.

[blissful perch]

It’s more challenging, but it’s actually worse in many ways. Building is extremely restricted, you spend the bulk of your time farming materials, and much of the end game is tied to a single mutation system that’s more entertaining in an idle skilling game

The huge variety of creatures is the one thing it smokes minecraft on, and even then most use the same AI

[lavish rain]

So what if building is restricted, that isn't the point of the game

[untold ingot]

I mean, in minecraft you spend all the time looking for resources too, or wandering around endless segments of squares that all look the same.

[lavish rain]

And the mutation system single handedly ruins parts of the game that would otherwise be awesome

[untold ingot]

It's a different type of grind between the two, ark just has more fun abilities

[lavish rain]

You thought I was joking?

[blissful perch]

You’re either joking or out of your mind, so I assumed the one that makes you look better

[untold ingot]

You don't have to build to have fun in ark. You have to build to have any fun in minecraft lol, because that is like all there is to it

[blissful perch]

Building is a major element of the ark gameplay loop. It’s mandated to do in order to complete the bosses

[lavish rain]

How?

[untold ingot]

There is also much less of a pvp scene in minecraft, so just by that ark kind of wins

[blissful perch]

Beat a boss without placing a single structure in ark

[lavish rain]

Ok but not building castles like in minecraft

[blissful perch]

That’s because it was smart: it knew anarchy PvP like ark official was completely impossible to moderate and manage so it left it to unofficial networks. The unofficial PvP scene in minecraft is huge

[untold ingot]

Lol, challenge accepted. I can tame an argy, get an argy saddle out of a drop. Free smithy. Tame shadowmane. Ez dub. No structure placed

[lavish rain]

Beat ark sober, that's the real challenge

[lavish rain]

Ok, do it sober now

[blissful perch]

That problem, discovered by players playing unofficial (since minecraft has no officials) and solved by players, has not been addressed by ark yet

[blissful perch]

I’ll be impressed if you can knock an Argi with a club or slingshot

But maybe you’ll find enough tranq arrows in drops to do it with a bow

[untold ingot]

It's not hard to do

[blissful perch]

You make the YouTube play list and I’ll concede

[untold ingot]

Taming a pt is easy, use the pt to kill raptors and carno to get tranq arrows

[blissful perch]

I know it’s possible. But it’s highly outside the gameplay loop

[lavish rain]

Play ark sober

[blissful perch]

I play every game sober because I’m not an alcoholic 😇

[lavish rain]

How?

What's the fun in that

[untold ingot]

It can be done. Minecraft can't beat the boss without mining lol

[blissful perch]

Yep

[untold ingot]

Having working brain cells? 😂

[lavish rain]

You need drugs to enjoy video games, it's a universal common knowedge

[blissful perch]

I play games for entertainment so if it’s not fun I simply stop playing

[untold ingot]

Sadge

[lavish rain]

(No mods, I am not promoting drug use)

[lavish rain]

It's a fact.you will bore yourself within an hour

[untold ingot]

Me? Bro

I can do literally anything for 10 hours in a row and not get bored jaja

[lavish rain]

Most ark pvp players are alcoholics

[untold ingot]

In game yes

[ripe cedar]

Like the unnoficial cluster Arkoholics Anonymous

[lavish rain]

I challenge you to meet an ark official pvp player that isn't piss drunk

[untold ingot]

Me

[lavish rain]

Heh?

[ripe cedar]

What about the many 14 year olds

[untold ingot]

I am an official pvp player, at least mostly. And not only have I never been drunk, but I have never even drank alcohol lol

[ripe cedar]

If they are all drunk it would explain needing aimbot

[lavish rain]

The 14 year Olds drink their dad's booze 🧠

[lavish rain]

Stop lying

[untold ingot]

I'm not lol

[blissful perch]

My man’s projecting

[covert tapir]

this place slowly turns from discussions to more intense word battles every day and i love it

[blissful perch]

Gotta pass time somehow

[covert tapir]

more like ark 2 fighting now

[lavish rain]

I'm trying to quit! I would be on pot or more realistically coke

[untold ingot]

Tbh, it's always been that. It's just been awhile since I came to really stir things up lol

[covert tapir]

having the time to play official pvp is a rare thing

your either super rich or have no job

[lavish rain]

Super rich?

[untold ingot]

Lol, what

[covert tapir]

dont got to go to work

can chill all day at home

[untold ingot]

That's not how official works lol

[covert tapir]

waiting to be raided

[lavish rain]

Most often, the 30yo mothers basement virgin stereotype

[untold ingot]

People have tribes for a reason

[lavish rain]

Ice yet to see that

[untold ingot]

It's only smalls that is like that

[lavish rain]

The reason i can safely play official pve

[covert tapir]

is there a tribe limit on normal official

[untold ingot]

No

[covert tapir]

how many server slots

50?

[untold ingot]

You can literally have thousands of people in a tribe

[lavish rain]

I let all the people who decided to waste their life on this game do all the grunt work

[untold ingot]

70

[covert tapir]

thats weak

[blissful perch]

It’s true that most avid PvP folks are unemployed for some reason or another. Kinda normal for any gaming sweats tho

[covert tapir]

ark 2 better have servers with 300 people

[untold ingot]

70 is the server slot count. Typically a tribe will own several servers lol

[untold ingot]

Doubt it

[covert tapir]

can you switch between them?

like with your char

[untold ingot]

Have you never played ark?

[covert tapir]

i have no idea how pvp works

[lavish rain]

And unlike me, don't try to turn their life around

[covert tapir]

in 2016 i build a thatch hut on official pvp

last time i played it pvp

[untold ingot]

Yes you can transfer to any of the thousands of servers, with your char and gear and dinos and everything

[covert tapir]

i remember i had a phioma

that saved me from my first ever raptor

it was horrifying

[lavish rain]

If server transfers weren't a thing the game would crumble

Pve and pvp

How they'll work that in ark 2 is beyond me

[covert tapir]

so i guess there are servers where a tribe completly dominates the whole map?

[untold ingot]

Pve would survive, but not on official. Pvp would die immediately

[covert tapir]

and noone else can get on

[blissful perch]

PvE with no transfers would be amazing. It’s really only required for PvP

[untold ingot]

Literally every server lol

[lavish rain]

Exactly my point

[lavish rain]

Game would get boring fast, I have exterience

And do you REALLY want to breed a new Rex line every time a new map drops?

[untold ingot]

I mean. Nah. You can play unofficial with no transfers, but what if people want to play the story, or don't like restarting all the time

Transfers need to be a thing. Game balance needs to be fixed so that you can't dominate a map transferring over with gear

[covert tapir]

i mean thats how the guys in the storys did it too

they could transfer nothing when ascending

ofc they didnt breed mutations

but they cant just take their guys with them

[untold ingot]

In the story Mei tamed a rockdrake with arrows... Clearly different than gameplay lol

[covert tapir]

in the trailer mei yin jumps and the broodmother and kills her wiith a sword xd

[blissful perch]

I enjoyed playing each map from scratch in the story so 🤷‍♂️

[lavish rain]

No alcoholic characters, inaccurate gameplay

[blissful perch]

Obviously mutation breeding ruins that, but if it’s not in the game it makes way more sense

[untold ingot]

Yes, but it shouldn't be obligated that people do that every map

It shouldn't be so easy to beat the map transferring over though. The wild stuff should always be stronger than tamed stuff imo

[covert tapir]

i have never finished it sadly

[untold ingot]

You probably have a couple of months to finish it

[blissful perch]

I mean as long as character levels can stay between maps it seems pretty manageable

[covert tapir]

theres a new story server starting in a week ill do it there

prefer it with a totally new server

single player doesnt have the same vibe

also i will eventually fail at the boat missions in gen 2

[untold ingot]

I think pve transfers should be limited to one tame, the hotbar and ammo, a set of gear and some consumables.

[covert tapir]

and i have never set foot in gen 1 either haha

[blissful perch]

Idc either way, because official PvE doesn’t appeal to me…but it’s an idea

[winged dome]

Last time I did a story run, it was an unofficial server with S+, once I mutated some Rexes and Megalosaurus to max stats, the rest of the maps went by a lot quicker ...

[blissful perch]

Mandating new breeding each map slows things down

[winged dome]

But it was fun roleplaying as the server's comicbook villain

[winged dome]

Yeah, if I ever do another one, I'm not going to transfer tames

[untold ingot]

8 am hoping that official pve is better and has some pvp action, while not being total anarchy pvp.

[blissful perch]

We hard banned mutated tames on our cluster and it did wonders

Game actually felt fun and playable

[covert tapir]

how could you change world domination of a single tribe

i dont see a way

[untold ingot]

In pve?

You don't...

[blissful perch]

PvE I believe isn’t like that

[covert tapir]

i thought pvp

[untold ingot]

That's why it's pve lol

[lavish rain]

Wut

I don't want to fight no players

[blissful perch]

Raq is speaking about the PvE in PvP servers

[lavish rain]

The black market in pve is already bad enough

[untold ingot]

No, I am saying I want some pvp in pve servers lol

Just like some random fights

[lavish rain]

Fuck no

[untold ingot]

They mentioned something about arenas

I am hoping that is pve

[lavish rain]

It's February with an anticipated June release.

The hell

[lavish rain]

I think they just made shit up

Thinking we would believe anything they feed us

[untold ingot]

Could be lol

[lavish rain]

Nah I'm pretty sure it is

[winged dome]

'They' who, lol?

[untold ingot]

The illuminati, who else

[winged dome]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying

[covert tapir]

all know its still wildcard it wont be june

give it september

[winged dome]

January, take it or leave it

[unborn galleon]

Ark 2 out yet?

[winged dome]

🍻

[unborn galleon]

[past wind]

Or, hear me out, there won’t be such definitions as pve and pvp. There will be pve regions and pvp regions. 🤯

[astral token]

PvX basically

[past wind]

Gender neutral servers yeah

We all be playing together

[astral token]

Don’t wanna play with toxic scrubs & cringe kids

[past wind]

Then don’t play Ark

[desert swallow]

Games have tried that before. From my experience you end up with the pvp zones being pretty much dead.

[astral token]

No, play Singleplayer.

You fake Poglin Ganger

[past wind]

What if you are toxic and cringe?

[astral token]

I am cringe not toxic

[past wind]

You are not safe then

[astral token]

I am a cringe adult so not a cringe kid

Disqualified

[past wind]

Makes sense

[astral token]

[past wind]

That’s not what happened in atlas, they just need to balance things for each zone. But I understand what is your point. It’s risky indeed

[covert tapir]

please no xd

[untold totem]

no that's the iron brotherhood that killed brood, Mei and Helena fight the monkey with a Giga, the anime has a different story than the game... anyways

as long as thee is no stat mutation that made PVE trivially sad then i am fine with it

i can look pass the BS 3rd person only if i have to (as i am struggling to make my building pretty in Valheim lol)

[past wind]

They’ve already said that’s something a mod can add. Unless you plan to play on officials, you might be able to play it in 3rd person.

[lime flicker]

I would love pvp and pve zones but unlikely

[past wind]

I mean, Ark 1 had the declare war feature. If they work on that, it’s a maybe.

[untold totem]

after how they handled the devkits, modded 1st person view will be hell

like you have to wait for a full week just for a simple arse feature to be updated lol

[past wind]

I think first person view will be hell in Ark 2 and that’s the reason they decided to remove that option. But for those who want it no matter what, there will be a mod for sure.

[untold totem]

bad reasoning to not having it as standard when ARK 1 and ATLAS are fine as it is

the mod will be hell however because what i just said earlier

[past wind]

Well it seems Ark 2 will have a totally different movement system, not just the combat system. And for that reason, first person wouldn’t fit.

[untold totem]

also how can be a literal dev made 1st person be "bad"

then that kinda prove that WC is incompetent as a dev if they relied on the modders for a simple feature that they themselves already implemented in their own game

[past wind]

It’s a game design thing. They don’t feel it’s good for gameplay, so they remove it.

[untold totem]

ATLAS and Conan says HI

hell Mirror's Edge says hi if you ask for parkour

[past wind]

My assumptions, of course

[past wind]

Again, new movement system. I don’t think it will be like atlas or Conan. That’s the only reason I can think that makes sense to remove it.

[untold totem]

i rather have optional first person like before instead of outright removing it and rely on the modders to do it

[untold totem]

Mirror's Edge and Dying Light says hi

[past wind]

Ok, but it won’t happen. Unless they change their minds at some point

[past wind]

ME is hell

Dying light also hell

But anyways, not my game, you have to pressure the devs so they can change their minds

[winged dome]

With proper design considerations, I really don't think forced 3rd person is going to be as bad as everyone thinks it will be. Especially if there's a lot less of a focus on ranged combat

[dawn helm]

Will ark 2 be out one Xbox one?

[ocean tendon]

theres gonna be bullet jumping for sure

[split dove]

nope, only xbox Series X and S

[dawn helm]

Big sad

[split dove]

sad for the people that still haven't upgraded, it had to happen so the game wasn't held back by the old tech from previous gen consoles like Ark 1 kinda was and it can be the best it can be with current tech

[winged dome]

Bullet jumping?

[lavish rain]

He's high, don't listen to him

[lavish rain]

I prefer ranged combat almost always

[covert tapir]

i want creature clashing

if i wanna shoot guns i can play any other shooter game there are thousands

but fighting a rex with a raptor thats were its at

[winged dome]

I'd prefer melee, mostly because I don't have the reflexes for twitchy aim shooters

Gimmie my open world, base building Monster Hunter

[covert tapir]

i remember widowmaker in overwatch, grapple in the air quick snipe and kill

great times suprised i was able to do it

but this is dinosaurs

🦖

[verbal wind]

any game can have building and combat, but the dinosaurs is what brought me to Ark and what keeps me on Ark

[lime flicker]

You have time

[sly silo]

[hybrid prairie]

Family is everything

[strange stone]

ARK is everything more than family

[potent hull]

ark 2 kill you or you kill ark 2 what one coms first lol

[mint swan]

Ark is family

[desert swallow]

Family is Ark

[winged dome]

Family is the homies in Ark2 chat waiting for their next clink 🍻

[blissful perch]

What I love about world was exploiting openings and learning my opponent. You can’t really do that when the combat is ranged weapons from distant opponents with no real tell or animations to work with

[iron sequoia]

Who needs friends when you have family

[blissful perch]

Friends are family if you think about it the right way 🧠

[untold ingot]

Same, even though I have the reflexes lol

[grim kestrel]

There definitely gonna still be ranged weapons if nothing other than bows and crossbows

[untold ingot]

Those are okay as long as they aren't significantly stronger than melee weapons

[grim kestrel]

I imagine them having blueprints like now to depend on that, I just hope Ascendant equivalent as the max blueprint is more rewarding to get than it is in Ark 1, I think it was little to simple to get highest blueprint in Ark 1

[winged dome]

Power creep also made Asc blueprints a lot more common than they were on the Island

Hopefully Ark2 has higher quality items actually pretty tough to get

[untold ingot]

I hope there are no blueprints lol

[grim kestrel]

I definitely want different levels of blueprints, just need them to have a little more to do in order to get the good blueprints

[untold ingot]

I don't want bps, because inevitably they force harvest rates to increase. And I don't want that

[grim kestrel]

Being required to go harvest more is actually something you should have to do in order to sustain high level gear and weapons

The higher quality gear you use, the more you should need to keep on hand to maintain those items

I want creature saddles to take damage where you have to maintain and repair saddles every so often.

[untold ingot]

Yes, but the bloated numbers from ark1 isn't something I want to see again

Having to get 10 of a hard to get resource is better than getting 70k of an easy to get resource

Ark1 resource costs are so inflated in both cost and stat that it's ridiculous really

[grim kestrel]

I disagree with that, I think being required to stockpile regular resources is essential to keep all resources useful and not 80% redundant. Also if it was just a small number of one rare resource to maintain high level gear you do realize the Alpha of a server on official just going to hoard over that area.

[untold ingot]

You disagree that resource costs for saddles and armor is inflated?

[grim kestrel]

That last part is the biggest reason it would be better to just make it a higher number of regular resources because making it so alpha of the server can build over an area that they know is needed to maintain high level gear is far worst than stockpiling regular resources since you will be already using them so I'd rather have to harvest 5 figures plus of resources

[swift hinge]

Can’t wait to defeat the bosses of ark 2 with family in 2030

[untold ingot]

The resources should come from Dino spawns imo. Stuff like spino sails, Dino bones, Rex teeth etc. The type of thing that doesn't Spawn in one individual place every time

As far as building over resource rich areas, you literally cannot avoid that in pvp. If someone does, then raid the spot. If you can't it's usually a skill issue and not a game issue

Dino spawns are affected by bases being built in ark1

But they mention things like migrations in the steam page, so I am hoping for a more dynamic Dino to environment behavior

No, I got it, I think you missed the ark1 😂

Ark2 will be different than ark1, and one of the main differences I want to see is getting rid of the stupidly high resource costs for bps. As well as the crazy stat differences between armors of the same type

I think that is a fairly reasonable request lol

Good weapons and saddles should be hard to get because the resources are rare and hard to get, not because it takes 6 hours of mindless farming the same basic resource

[grim kestrel]

If it somehow works to just automatically shift spawn location cool, but I won't hold my breath on that considering I don't think it going to work like that for spawning. I think at best that would only effect dinos already there.

[untold ingot]

I am not going to limit my hope to stationary spawn points for ark2. Not only does it no longer fit with the lore, but they already mentioned mechanics that could change it. So I want to see that happen.

It would require a good ai for dinos is all

Either way, making a pathfinding that adds bases into its calculations is not really that difficult

I mean, I dont have experience coding things like that. But I think I could write something similar down in just a couple hours

Its just basic path finding. Doesnt even need machine learning

I am pretty sure that rolling code is not the term lol

It would just require some basic recursion

And the basics for a recursion algorithm that would apply to the pathfinding is literally taught in the first programming classes in uni

I think the term you are looking for is recursion. Rolling code is a security feature in garage doors lol

Recursion is really easy though lol

Like if you get in the complicated math of it (and a game path definitely should) it makes it a bit harder to plan out. But the actual principles of it are simple enough to teach people that have never coded anything before

In either case, I am betting the hard lifting for pathfinding is already done. All it takes is an application of it

I mean the topic was having better dino spawns and how that would work to reduce the number cost of gear lol. So I dont think it was off topic

[blissful perch]

Migrations are pointless if you are meat running everything, so regardless of how fancy spawns are the insane ark 1 BP costs probably have to go

Simply killing the creatures required for 200k hide would break down the entire purpose of improved AI and PvE…since you’d have to mindlessly kill everything to farm that amount of a common resource. It would be far superior to need trophies or other rare resources

[mint swan]

Tbf at this point in the game I just buy hide from gen 2

[mint swan]

What's kept me on the game was the server wars and stuff it was very intresting at the thine

Time^

[covert tapir]

i have a new discovery about this channel, its alway joe bradock against anyone else lol

[south lance]

?

[blissful perch]

Usually “hot take” vs everyone else

[split dove]

more like ''hot take'' or ''unofficial rumours'' vs everyone and official info most of the time

[blissful perch]

Ok that’s true, sometimes people just say incorrect shit lol

[split dove]

or make the wildest theories even when official sources say otherwise

[blissful perch]

The first one here was that “no tek” meant no glowtails or gasbags

[split dove]

what in tarnation

i honestly shouldn't be that surprised, we're talking about the ark community after all

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ just saying it’s always been a thing lol

[harsh spear]

when did they say " no tek"

[split dove]

pretty sure it was in one of the community crunches or tweets just after genesis 2's launch where it's title was ''what's next for Ark? Not tek that's for sure''

[winged dome]

Plus Ark2 has been described as 'primitive focused' since initial reveal

[split dove]

cmon man, you know basic reading and brain processing is kinda rare here ☕

[astral token]

Research indicates that the average ARK player has -35 IQ

[split dove]

the majority at least

[astral token]

This is not rumours peer reviewed stuff 💯

[astral token]

I think the extreme recorded was -249 IQ

[split dove]

those extremes are common in general and tsotf

[blissful perch]

But the average perceived IQ is 200

[lavish rain]

Atkeast they have the mindset

[winged dome]

'I am a among '

[lavish rain]

@winged dome how many bottle did you consume so far

[astral token]

Easily round 50

[winged dome]

It's funny, but I don't actually drink - just clinkin' for the good times

[fallow niche]

Back on topic please

[grave python]

Because they meant lost island which has no tek

[lavish rain]

They never said that? It was a tweet

[grave python]

It was a community crunch

[fallow niche]

It was actually pinned here at one point I thought, though I cannot find it

[blissful perch]

they meant ark 2. It was in a similar thread to the one that stated ark 2 is primarily primitive. This is backed up not only by the direct tweet about what was next for ark but ALSO from the Pax interview where we can see WC is trying to shift tek away from being more friendly in the environment (landmarks and technology we use and rely on) to being more hostile (ie we can't control it)

[harsh spear]

I hope not only Tek Stuff gets removed like Tek Suit and Tek Skiff but also that you can no longer travel servers. This whole , i grind and then upload all my stuff thing, needs to go imo.

[grim kestrel]

Official going to already become minority due to cross platform modding that Ark 2 will offer, that would be the engraving on the headstone for official cause the sheer grind would turn everyone off if they couldn't transfer within the same cluster of official servers. Unofficial it doesn't matter cause you can just find a server rate you like.

[harsh spear]

your point makes no sense. people will play official no matter what. and transfering has nothing to do with grinding.

[grim kestrel]

Be forced to create a brand new character from scratch and level it has nothing to do with grinding? 😂

[harsh spear]

well you could allow character transfer but blanket

as they do with new maps

[grim kestrel]

Bare minimum that I agree with would save it

[harsh spear]

i think they should also give the option to mark a character as your "favorite" as you can do with servers. and then you can always see which server its on. I know so many people that lost their Character cuz of the sheer amount of servers that exist.

[prisma pike]

That's stupid, nobody would play that shit because once a tribe takes over a map then they can't do anything else.

[harsh spear]

thats literally current ark. that has nothing to do with that lmao

[prisma pike]

That's not current ark though, because there's transfers.

[grim kestrel]

I hope they get it to work with unofficial servers to this time, because only official favorited servers showed up in the server search tab for favorites.

[harsh spear]

every map in small tribes that has a decent spot is taken. so transfering doesnt solve that at all ? youre save nowhere

[prisma pike]

Wtf are you talking about

[harsh spear]

transfering just makes shit worse. it allows for alphas to transfer and raid across multiple servers

[prisma pike]

No, it makes the game playable at all because you take over entire maps if you're relevant whatsoever.

Tell me you only play PvE without telling me you only play PvE

[grim kestrel]

I actually support a character only transfer system that Siggi is suggesting. It'd be like using a bed to fast travel to an outpost where your inventory needs to be empty.

[harsh spear]

wtf are you on about. noone takes over an entire map. youre probably just playing some stupid 1000x servers so your opinion has no value here since im talking about official servers

[prisma pike]

Yeah no you're not lmao

You have no idea what you're talking about kid

[harsh spear]

if you mean alpha spots, yes. theyre always taken

[prisma pike]

"alpha spots"

😂

Go play your PvE

[harsh spear]

?

[winged dome]

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 isn't out yet, so no one's taken over anything

[past wind]

If they go the way I think they will, you won’t have to use “obelisks” to travel to other maps because it will be a big massive map. You will just need to travel by foot or riding your tamed creatures.

Just to be clear, that’s my opinion. There’s no clear info what they have planned to their new world map system.

[rancid harness]

Based on the wording I'm seeing on the steam page, regarding instances and cloud data, I'm assuming you'll merge lobbies with people as you move into different areas, or something to that effect.

I'm very excited to see how they deal with online official multi-player.

[grim kestrel]

I would love a massive map concept like that

[lavish rain]

How about being able to transfer servers with your character

[grim kestrel]

Siggi mentioned a idea I support, make it blanket character transfer and have it same as fast travel with the bed in Ark 1 where you need an empty inventory.

[blissful perch]

I'm curious if the new tame manager will work similar to how old ark 1 transfers worked

such that the tame manager could hold X creatures in "cloud storage" that could be pulled one at a time on cooldown from anywhere

between that and character transfers you could pretty much neuter mat transfers while allowing people to move smoothly between servers/maps

[blissful perch]

there's a valid argument to be had that once an alpha takes over a map, transfers don't really change that structure ever again. The only people to wipe alphas are themselves going to function as map owning alphas for everyone else. The leader changes but the functional day to day is the same

[lavish rain]

At this rate I'm gonna be hitting clips in ark 2 b4 sotf

[blissful perch]

Obviously those tribe wars between alphas/megas are probably superior to complacent alphas...so transfers to mitigate that makes some sort of sense. But I really lean towards wipes or other ingame limitations (such as strict base caps, etc) being a superior solution for toppling server ownership

[lavish rain]

Better then pods imo

[blissful perch]

Or ark leans away from the segregated survival maps style gameplay and goes more into the MMO map where everyone is expected to play official and PvP is zone or mode based. But I suspect from Dollie's comments here a while back that ark 2 pvp will be like ark 1 in that servers/clusters will have the ark 2 map all pvp or all pve

[lavish rain]

Oh God I hope they steer clear from that

As much as I liked the mmo element. Your idea would be aids

[grim kestrel]

Honestly if they must add dino and item transfer make upload only and leave it inventory empty still

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer the MMO be dropped entirely and each server be like arkpoc

[lavish rain]

Until they add a server hop Dino simular to fjordhawk and beds

[blissful perch]

Full wipes monthly, the goal is survival, and if you become the alpha you can brag you won a season

[lavish rain]

Then what's the point

[blissful perch]

What’s the point of a COD lobby

You play a game to enjoy the gameplay

[lavish rain]

I play to do the missions (really it's because my mates egg me to get on)

[blissful perch]

Same deal in ark 2 then

[lavish rain]

You have nothing to show for your time wasted, is what I mean

[blissful perch]

You don’t have anything to show in almost any video game for time wasted 🤷‍♂️. The move would simply make ark a repeatable survival challenge experience rather than a weird psuedo MMO

You don’t need meta progression in every game

[lavish rain]

You usually do, even if it's small

[grim kestrel]

I feel like for PvP I could see a forced wipe on a set time, but for PvE majority of people prefer to build for looks rather than defense

[lavish rain]

You kinda dk

[blissful perch]

You kinda don’t. League, one of the most played games, has no meta progression

[prisma pike]

It's repeatable when you get wiped

[lavish rain]

Nobody would do anything without a reward

Do you work a job for free?

[blissful perch]

Man’s never heard of a hobby or a pastime huh

[lavish rain]

I wouldn't know

[lavish rain]

It feels more like work then anything

[prisma pike]

If you want wipes go play arkpoc or a dedi

[blissful perch]

So let’s gloss over the projecting and get back to the subject of wipes

[blissful perch]

Indeed, by my logic the norm would be arkpoc and the special format would be a “long war” or “perma” cluster set

Boils down to how lengthy the progression scheme is and how intense the MMO/RPG elements become though…if it takes 1k hours to get anything completed wipes make no sense as the default

[lavish rain]

That was my second question

The reason rust works is becuasey ou can get everything in a few hours

[blissful perch]

Your second question was “why play a game”

[lavish rain]

Why play a game where it feels like you get nowhere

[blissful perch]

Because the game itself is something to derive enjoyment from

[lavish rain]

The enjoyment out of video games for me is achieving somthing

[blissful perch]

People don’t play chess because there’s a loot box you get for winning. They like it because they like playing chess

[safe mantle]

What the new dino?

[lavish rain]

And having that wiped would piss me off

[blissful perch]

Nothing new revealed just yet…let’s see in a few hours if the crunch shows us anything

[blissful perch]

I don’t think it would as much as you think it would

[lavish rain]

I already know it would

[blissful perch]

It boils down to what’s being lost. If it’s trivial or if the gameplay revolves around something other than collecting rare things, a wipe would be nearly meaningless

[prisma pike]

Okay but imagine playing monster hunter and not being able to make new gear

[lavish rain]

A few hours

[blissful perch]

Not sure I grasp this comparison. Monster hunter is entirely grounded in repeated hunts for specific rare items and materials

Some decorations you may never find in your entire play time. That sort of rarity is the direct counter design to a wipe based model

[prisma pike]

The fabled hard frost res deco 😩

[lavish rain]

A game crumbles if it dosent feel like you work towards anything, yet somehow battle royales exist,

[prisma pike]

Because they have skins in a battlepass

[blissful perch]

Indicating your grasp of game design and the market is limited

Cosmetics would work fine in a wipe based model

[prisma pike]

But tbh battle royales are pretty dead rn

[blissful perch]

Apex had a strong upswing a year or so ago

[lavish rain]

Fair. But would you play a singleplayer game like dark souls if it wiped every time you logged off? (Ik old games used to do that, and look what happened)

[prisma pike]

Yeah that's the only one that has a decent playerbase

[lavish rain]

It's dead too, it was a trend

[blissful perch]

If the game was designed around single session play, sure

[prisma pike]

Even Fortnite has at least 20-30 bots a match

PUBG is like 99% bots

[lavish rain]

People don't even fucking play warzone

[blissful perch]

Battle royales as a market are 100% oversaturated

[prisma pike]

Forgot that even existed lol

[blissful perch]

But there’s a serious market for games that everyone starts equal, plays a round…and after a winner is declared the game resets

[lavish rain]

I never cared for BRs, yet for some reason I qant sotf on console to drop already

[prisma pike]

Strategy games

[blissful perch]

It’s an extremely normative gameplay design

[prisma pike]

Ew

[prisma pike]

Change that structure ever again? Like, wipe it?

[blissful perch]

Wipes is one method. Blocking tribes from owning a whole map through other means is another

[prisma pike]

I mean whatever you make will just get wiped by the tribe unless you're actively fobbing or something

[lavish rain]

I have a genuis method to handle pvp

[ripe cedar]

The objective in those games is usually to win, its a much shorter time frame than a game like ark

[lavish rain]

So what we do is we send mental help professionals to the house of people who play pvp ark, or rust

[lavish rain]

And it got stale because of a lack of long form progression

[ripe cedar]

Depends on the person and also people dont always play games for long term progress they can also play it for in the moment action and excitement there isnt a ‘right’ way to structure a game

[lavish rain]

What emote is this

[blissful perch]

Some games are meant to abuse people’s loot box/gambling craving more than their dopamine from excitement or engagement

Others satisfy the need for novelty or immersion in a story

[lavish rain]

I need engagement in long term progression, I want to feel like I did somthing, even if all I actually did was sit in front of a screen pressing buttons on a controller while drinking whiskey

[blissful perch]

But you really want sotf, a mode which has none of that

[lavish rain]

Ikr

[prisma pike]

When does that even come out for consoles

[lavish rain]

I already know I'm gonna play it for a few games and then lay it down

[prisma pike]

Its gotten delayed like twice now

[ripe cedar]

It comes out on console when lotus stops being schizo