ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping to see a scythe

[grim kestrel]

I wouldn't doubt multiple attacks, like a rex, giga, bronto, and any other large dino like that could get a tail whip as well as a bite. Or a neck whip for stuff like bronto or diplo.

[covert tapir]

that would mean each individual creature has a skill tree, unless the player has a "tame control" skill tree

where he learns to whistle etc

[mortal kestrel]

I think creatures should have a common skill tree based on type honestly

so like a skill tree for fliers, land dinos, harvesting dinos, water dinos, travel dinos, et cetera

[mighty lion]

If cov can do a unique unit skill tree, I think ark can

Civ*

[covert tapir]

i could see the skill trees : health/endurance, taming , combat, tame controll maybe like tha

[grim kestrel]

Barrys get the spin in water and can stun you in Ark 1, I think they probably easily give multiple attacks for dinos

[mortal kestrel]

Id like to see perks like momentum and bleeding tbh

[covert tapir]

yeahh

also less machines and maybe all creatures usefull

#justicefordimetrodonanddiplocaulus

[mighty lion]

Also Ark 2 is an isekai, prove me wrong

[mortal kestrel]

yes they could

I want to say shadowmanes have the most amount of unique attacks of any creature in vanilla currently

dimetrodons are useful

free ac

[covert tapir]

yes but noone gonna go to the swamp to tame a torpor draining ass when they can just craft am ac lol

[grim kestrel]

One creature it wouldn't bother me to never see again would be Ichthyornis.. Hate that bird

It always took the exact thing that pissed me off the most I feel like, hope it not in Ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

I too hope thieving dinos dont make it to arkII

[grim kestrel]

Pegos didn't bother me as much, it only took the last slot and was ground based so easy to kill.

[split dove]

at least pegos could be killed and get your stuff back

[mortal kestrel]

yeah pegos arent bad

[covert tapir]

playing on the beach really made me a sniper with my spear lmao

[grim kestrel]

I hope all shoulder pets can have their inventory accessed while on your shoulder like the Sino was

[covert tapir]

hope they are not restricted to shoulder lol

belly pet incoming

[grim kestrel]

That could possibly end up looking.... never mind I won't go there.

Imagine otter being moved to your head and curled up like a ushanka hat lol

Couldn't think of the name of it.

[blissful perch]

I love seagulls

The only issue I have with the ark 1 ichy is that they have a protective no reg aura

[split dove]

i love cluster grenading seagulls

[grim kestrel]

my issue is they immediately eat what they take with no chance of getting it back.

[covert tapir]

lets face it, ichty is the smartest and strongest creatures

it overrides the obelisks and allows to take stuff out of your implant

ichtyornis boss soon?

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with it since they only take food items, and 99% of ark 1 food is cheap

[winged dome]

It can take fertilized eggs, any drugs

[covert tapir]

crushing the stolen obisdian with its peak proves the strengh

beak*

[blissful perch]

True but if you lose an egg to a seagull that’s skill issue energy 😂. Seagull is just better

[grim kestrel]

It wasn't just food, had them take element, poly, structures, fertilized GIGA egg (that one on official)

[covert tapir]

Skillgull

[blissful perch]

Seagulls afaik don’t take non edible items and consume them

[covert tapir]

do you know how many arrows have been eaten

what do you mean they dont eat non edible items xd

[grim kestrel]

The giga egg probably pissed me off the most cause it was a breed line from the Alpha of that cluster at the time.

On official >_>

[blissful perch]

They soak them into their bodies, I don’t count that. I agree they need to lose the no reg shield in ark 2

[covert tapir]

maybe in ark 2 they only eat like a certain food out of your inventory and only attack if you have that food

and that tames them somehow

[fallow niche]

I don't want them in ark 2 personally 😂

[blissful perch]

Give me ark 2 crows who troll you even harder tbh

[covert tapir]

we need you to rank up in the discord an access the secret information o

[blissful perch]

But absolutely ban purlovia from existing

[fallow niche]

I like being a mod though 😂 I wanna be surprised

[covert tapir]

or give them less aim

[fallow niche]

Just ban them

[covert tapir]

or an easier way to lure out

[grim kestrel]

An make them easy as rock elements to see

[blissful perch]

They take so long to un rock tbh it’s fine

[grim kestrel]

fack those jump scares, I get enough of that from Thylas lol

[blissful perch]

But the damn living land mines are just OOOF technology

[covert tapir]

we have yet to see a redwood like biome so pray

we only saw forest and plains with lake

and of course the flying dirt

[grim kestrel]

I'm hoping to see redwoods, where else am I building my tree village >_>

[covert tapir]

am i the only one thats confused by the flying dirt biome?

like the same shot where we see the brachiosaurus in the trailer

its just floating up and up

[split dove]

we kinda did with the brachio and stego concept art

[covert tapir]

i mean yeah but maybe thats just for the ambience

[tropic crag]

They used to, it was patched

[covert tapir]

still waiting for my bamboo forest reveal

[tropic crag]

May want to re-look at the most recent dino concepts shared, fyi

[covert tapir]

i saw them but it was just concept art as you said

we dont know if it made it into the game

the concept art was about the creatures not the biome

[mighty lion]

Wut

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, but if it's something they wanted to show, then it's more than likely in the game 😅

[mighty lion]

Vines hold up the dirt

Or roots*

Also concepts dont always equal what's in the game

[covert tapir]

ok but like, what are the roots thinking lol, lets just go upwards its way more costly but fuck it xd

[tropic crag]

That'd be like saying they showed us Santiago in the trailer, but we never see him in the game 😂

[covert tapir]

maybe its the elements work?

[tropic crag]

And yes, I know concepts are subject to change, no one knows that better than me, I promise you

[covert tapir]

huge shoutout to this channel not being emoji spamming like the ark animated series channel lol

they remind me of the idiots on twitch that only spam the kappa emotes xd

[blissful perch]

True but we have seen a few times now the floating land/islands thing

[blissful perch]

You’re welcome 😉

[covert tapir]

it was in the trailer not a concept the floating islands

it was in both trailers

[mighty lion]

True, but I was referring to the redwoods in the concepts

[covert tapir]

ahhh mb

[winged dome]

[worldly garden]

👀

[winged dome]

No talk, only Meeka

[covert tapir]

i mean all day do is spam bob lmao xd

[blissful perch]

I’m here for design minded chat 😅

[covert tapir]

we are the intellectuals 🧐

[blissful perch]

Well, aim to be anyway

Pretty much the instant this chat started I wanted to chat about what design dreams folks had for ark 2 mechanics and new concepts. I’m really pleased at how often good talks about those things happen

[winged dome]

I check when I'm bored, join in discussions if there are any, or shitpost if people are being clowns

[covert tapir]

as long as that super mutant guy isnt here im down to talk

[blissful perch]

I’m here as long as people are cooking on mechanics and design

I tend to step out when lore happens, because my opinion on lore is uh yea

[covert tapir]

lore is inevitable since its a sequel xd

[covert tapir]

lore be like : i am inevitable🫰

[blissful perch]

The presence of lore is nbd, but talking about and speculating about it is boring to me 😅. Since the story can kinda be anything at this stage, and it doesn’t inform what I care about in ark 2 (the gameplay)

[grim kestrel]

They could be going prequel since it going to be primitive style

[covert tapir]

huhhh?!

its known to be a sequel

its literally the story after gen 2

[winged dome]

Lore for Ark2 is probably the biggest thing thats totally up in the air right now. I feel like most of the gameplay stuff we have a few ideas how it could possibly go, but no idea on lore since theres so many unknown factors

[covert tapir]

someone said the story will be cleansing arat of the element that drop down and i can see that to be the beginning of the story

[blissful perch]

Yep. I also think it’s too creative to speculate on lore…it can really be anything

[covert tapir]

of course they will be a plot twist

[winged dome]

Oops, Rockwell again

[covert tapir]

nah rockwell landed on the moon i hope xd

[winged dome]

👀
Rockwell IS the moon

Pull a Majora's Mask, 3 day timeloop to finish the game

[covert tapir]

shooting the element dropped on arat onto moon slowly feeding rockwell

[covert tapir]

im not taming a trex every 3 days xd

[grim kestrel]

They did use the word "sequel" in the founders note, but they also said "Every aspect of the ARK series has been rethought and redesigned in this sequel." Key words "Every aspect" and "rethought and redesigned"

[covert tapir]

what is your point

[blissful perch]

Yep, that’s what makes this chat interesting Braddock

[covert tapir]

they just change a sequel into a prequel thats not how it works

[blissful perch]

Throwing out a lot of mechanics imo is a first step to making a better ark game

[covert tapir]

knockout taming for example

[split dove]

mmmm mutations 🤮

[mortal kestrel]

bruh but we literally see the ring of the ship we blew up in genesis 2 in the first trailer for arkII

[blissful perch]

SO TRUE

[grim kestrel]

Knockout taming isn't the only method for everything as there is passive taming. But aggressive stuff like carnivores make sense to knock out first

[covert tapir]

what about calming or saving idk what else

[mortal kestrel]

besides, arks sequel wouldnt be primitive, it would be even more advanced than arks endgame because what made the arks come about is super advanced warfare

[covert tapir]

they is the wounded creature thing

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 is a sequel tho

[covert tapir]

true i mean humans ended with exctinction technology and then they went to the arks

if i remember correctly

[grim kestrel]

I'm hoping for more taming options too, just saying knockout makes sense for certain dinos

[covert tapir]

and please let torpor timer stack with multiple shots, PLEASE

[grim kestrel]

You're not calming a rex, giga, etc down

[covert tapir]

it doesnt make sense xd

[mortal kestrel]

no they didnt go to the arks, they died because earth got overrun by element corruption

or they went to the genesis ship via arat prime, and died due to rockwells corruption and us blowing up the ship

[covert tapir]

well if they died who did the arks?

humans did the arks before they died no?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but they wouldnt be in the arks, and the genesis ship was the backup plan

[covert tapir]

how do they get from exctinction to genesis anyway

[blissful perch]

Nah, Homo deus ran them via the overseers

[covert tapir]

like how does the player get onto the genesis ship

[mortal kestrel]

genesis is a ship, its launchsite was called arat prime

hence arkIIs planet being called arat

[covert tapir]

i know its a ship

[blissful perch]

Also people did escape the genesis ship. Santiago was one of them

[mortal kestrel]

we probably uploaded to it from arat prime to go after rockwell

[mortal kestrel]

I figured they were just clones made from tek pods like what we see in the trailer

[covert tapir]

ok but the ship was on its way before helena etc arrived on earth?

[blissful perch]

One could argue those are people tho yea? I don’t think anyone’s original body survived the extinction earth

[covert tapir]

like the ship flew and in the meantime the peeps were training on the arks?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, thats what I meant

there are no "native" humans left

[mortal kestrel]

we teleported onto it from arat prime

[blissful perch]

I don’t think our body did, just our data

[mortal kestrel]

would be the easiest explanation

[mortal kestrel]

does it even matter at this point?

[lavish rain]

Łøł

[blissful perch]

Nope lmao

I just hope ark 2 offers a really deep survival experience

My favorite ark memories are the Bob moments where you’re just struggling to stay alive. I hope that becomes the majority of my ark 2 experience

[covert tapir]

i just read some of the lore and i didnt even realize helena is still alive?

[blissful perch]

“Alive”. Homo deus aren’t really alive

[split dove]

hoping that the primarily primitive theme will help that aspect, as we likely won't have access to explosives and powerful guns

[covert tapir]

mei yin died tho ?

[blissful perch]

Capping player power levels will be crucial to ark 2’s success. I beg WC to not cave to the dumb community desire to power creep

[covert tapir]

do you think we will have a radial wheel again

[lavish rain]

I doubt that will come

[lavish rain]

Yes

[astral token]

*Vindiago

[covert tapir]

it was a clone of santiago tho like a second one no?

he didnt actually get into an escape pod

[untold totem]

He respawned again

[covert tapir]

so clone?

[untold totem]

Every person in the ship is a clone aside from the less familiar names in Gen 2 that isn't Gabriel

Basically Vin is re-cloned

[grim kestrel]

I'm interested in seeing how indebt the character creation is compared to what we have now.

[split dove]

i hope we can't create super super mutants anymore, and that smaller characters will make your stats worse so it's not the same but smaller size

[blissful perch]

I actually kinda hope sizes are standard, but only for PvP

[untold totem]

Small Characters = "child" stats

Big Characters = boosted stats

[ripe marsh]

I would want that but for the creatures themselves ( smaller or bigger creatures ) , their could be strengths and weakness to both tho so it isn't just instantly choosing the bigger creatures

[blissful perch]

Eh. I’d rather creatures have more hand picked stats

What I’d prefer even more ofc is to stray away from stats and towards unique abilities in terms of what separates a creature. For example a saber and a raptor used to be the same sans stats…it would be cool if in ark 2 they had different ways of moving around or different abilities that separated them

[ripe marsh]

I don't see why both can't coexist ( ignoring breeding and level ups )

[blissful perch]

I mean stuff needs stats. But I’d prefer it if stats weren’t such a big deal

I’d like a rex to be a rex. And not just get whipped by a raptor at a higher level

[split dove]

it would be better for tames to also have skill trees, so it matters more on what skills you decide to give them rather than pure rng stat numbers

[ripe marsh]

I agree but what I said isn't supposed to have that much of a boost of stats, just a slight nudge

[split dove]

the permanent swamp fever treatment for small characters

[sonic elbow]

She did not.

[verbal wind]

she is by now? i've been under the impression that the game now takes place hundreds or even thousands of years after the Helena/Mei Yin/Rockwell storylines

[sonic elbow]

Nope.

It used to be that way, but Genesis retconned it. Diana and Mei were the ones who brought Helena to Genesis, even.

[verbal wind]

which would explain why you find notes largely in ruins

[sonic elbow]

It's been long enough for that, but not long enough for Mei and Diana to be crusty old and dead.

[verbal wind]

so humans just live for hundreds/thousands of years now?

[sonic elbow]

No?

It hasn't been hundreds of thousands of years anymore.

Before Genesis, it was. But Genesis, again, retconned that.

[lime flicker]

What timeline is ark 2 in, after the events of ark ?

[sonic elbow]

At most, it's been a good few decades since Helena's ascension.

[sonic elbow]

A while after Genesis 2.

Probably a year or two.

[covert tapir]

we dont even know if the clones age no?

[sonic elbow]

They do.

[covert tapir]

could be a long while

ahh my bad

[sonic elbow]

Remember Raia?

[covert tapir]

no i dont but slay i guess

[sonic elbow]

She got old and pretty much became a raisin.

[lime flicker]

lol

[sonic elbow]

The effects of Scorched Earth on a person, smh.

[blissful perch]

If mantis cut my water lines to farm me I’d be aging fast too

[verbal wind]

you said it was long enough for ruins but not long enough for them to be old/dead

[covert tapir]

scorched earthed is cool

[verbal wind]

until you play on it

[split dove]

i'd be aging 15 years every year in that desert with stress gained from mantis cutting my water pipe every day

[sonic elbow]

Anyways, Mei and Diana are alive, and they'll probably be back in ARK 2.

Fries seems to have hinted at it.

(The current writer.)

[grim kestrel]

I can see smaller characters as an issue in PvP, but the max height creation if you play in 3rd person you look normal to everything except doorways.

Topic on how they have confirmed building is 10x more manipulative, I hope for example that means if we find ruins that won't have cave restriction to building we can build more naturally off of and make it look as if we are restoring the ruin remains of a structure

[winged dome]

What ruins would we find though? Aratai?

Only thing else could be Genesis bits, but then that'd probably mean integrating Tek

[sonic elbow]

You know they can just like
Change the formula

Who says we need Notes

[grim kestrel]

Kind of like we have now, rag desert ones. Or Lost Island has like 5. Val has 2 or 3. It really any structure remains that gives a history of what was there before.

[sonic elbow]

They mean like Explorer Notes I think

¿?

[blissful perch]

Goated opinion

I’m not down to scour a map and other people’s bases looking for notes that ruin the progression via insane exp boosts 😅

[sonic elbow]

They're a bad way to recieve story, and a big reason it's so unknown. They're just known as the 2x EXP boxes rn.

[blissful perch]

And sometimes 4x ☠️

[sonic elbow]

And on SP an insane 4× boost.

[blissful perch]

The tek notes are 4x on official afaik

[sonic elbow]

Yeah, iirc 4× is only obtainable through Helena's on official.

Helena Deus', I mean.

Anyways, I want like, either Notes with a good and easily navigatable menu, OR just a bunch of cutscenes.

[blissful perch]

I want notes conveyed via missions or doing stuff in the world

I really liked unlocking dossiers when taming. I just wish the dossiers gave better information

[winged dome]

Only thing I think sucks about unlocking dossiers via taming is not knowing how to tame something with a 'unique' taming method without looking it up online. I'd prefer if knowledge could all be learned in-game

Like Phoenix taming with Fire - you wouldn't know without getting the dossier first, or looking online

[verbal wind]

the most frustrating tame i ever had was the voidwyrm

[winged dome]

Maybe doing different things gets research towards creatures, and full dossiers are made as you complete those tasks. Maybe first encounter gets you crude image and temperment. Kill without using a mount gets battle/behavior quirks, with a hint towards taming. And taming is full dossier

[south lance]

i like internet tame methods

[winged dome]

I don't, hate having to break gameplay to look something up

[mint swan]

So has there been any developments on whether there will be aliens in ark 2?

[winged dome]

No developments, we've known since initial reveal

[blissful perch]

Agree; I wish an event/mission/some other world action unlocked them

[south lance]

gameplay already takes so long that breaking it up is inevitable

[blissful perch]

Good take

[winged dome]

Oh yeah, random events would be great opportunities to learn about creatures naturally

[blissful perch]

If you need google while playing a game -> bad game design

[south lance]

actually sure yeah

[tropic crag]

[south lance]

id be fine with the default taming methods being in game

but id like exploitable methods too

because god knows wc will not make most tames useful in the long run

[blissful perch]

Not to say a game should teach everything instantly or explicitly…but I hate the opinion of “🤷‍♂️ someone else will stumble on the answer so it’s fine that something is unintuitive and impossible to figure out”

[winged dome]

I'm sure some creatures will have the usual tranq-n-tame

[south lance]

at least not useful enough

to justify taming over 4 hours

[winged dome]

Or maybe a bit more like Atlas, where creatures are more picky about food. Not all herbivores will tame with berries, ect

[south lance]

which i think will still be a thing

[verbal wind]

more tames should have a secondary taming method. like i like how the diplo can either be passive or KO tamed

[south lance]

considering tame times havent really gone down

[blissful perch]

No tame should take >30 minutes

[south lance]

they shouldnt but considering the stable 2 hours every tame requires even now

its probably gonna stay into ark2

at best we can hope tames have better ability to avoid getting destroyed

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 needs time as a balance knob. I hope ark 2 minimizes that

[covert tapir]

am i the only one that likes taming a long time 😂

[south lance]

yes

[lime flicker]

I neee to stay off this server I am getting hyped each time I come in here

[covert tapir]

like damn your going on a WILD creature you

[south lance]

how is 2 hour taming times hyping you up

[south lance]

its gonna die in literally seconds when your game crashea mid combat

[covert tapir]

he knows whats up

[lime flicker]

lmao I mean, I’m just SO EXCITED

[covert tapir]

skill issue?

just dont crash

[south lance]

the skill is having a stable connection 💀

[covert tapir]

just have one

[south lance]

like if tames could at least fight well thatd be nice

[tropic crag]

Really? I thought that was one of the most fun and engaging ones 😅

[covert tapir]

its only frustrating cause we are not used to that, all we now is shoot and wait

[winged dome]

Spicy Space Horse 😂

[blissful perch]

I don’t have enough time in a play session anymore to tame one thing for 2 hrs

[verbal wind]

my biggest issue was actually getting close enough to hop on. because you can only move fast in space horizontal. and the voidwyrm can move fast in all directions

[south lance]

its just not fun staring at a tame in orbit cam waiting for a raptor to get close before you do something besides tap e

[covert tapir]

you gotta prepare yourself

[verbal wind]

and that was a low level on slightly boosted taming rates. i can't imagine taming a high level voidwyrm on vanilla rates

[south lance]

preparing myself for boredom

thats what school is for

[blissful perch]

I think amarga and falcon taming are really good ideas that needed more refinement. Could easily work in ark 2 if they fix them

[south lance]

i dont trust the fancy taming methods with shitty servers as of yet

[winged dome]

Falcons so annoying when they keep eating your early hide corpses on a fresh start 😂

[covert tapir]

if your school has dinosaurs tell me where its at right now!

[south lance]

but if they dont take too long im cool

[south lance]

they have an ichthyosaur fossil

[covert tapir]

nice

[verbal wind]

not a dinosaur but still cool

[covert tapir]

we had a hole in the ceiling for 2 months

[south lance]

my dorm has rats on every floor

[covert tapir]

the wind blew away your ceiling window

[south lance]

i think my room has been spared

probably because i dont leave it open like the other dipshits

[blissful perch]

Imo bad servers is not an excuse to make reductive gameplay design choices

[covert tapir]

wait your a college person

[tropic crag]

I like this very much

[covert tapir]

your supposed to play all day long and then complain you get nothing done

[south lance]

for ark1 its not unimportant, but if ark2 gets a grip on server and other issues then yes id love all the post extinction taming methods

[covert tapir]

your gonns sit there anyway no matter how long you are taming i know it

[south lance]

only if taming doesnt take an obscene amoutn of time tho

its bad enough but at least reliable to stand watch over a tranqed tame

if its wandering around its gonna get itself killed

case in point, innumerable sinomacrops

[grim kestrel]

That almost a certainly going to be the case on official and is one of the reasons I went unofficial.

[covert tapir]

anyway most important questions for ark 2 : will we spawn at the beach, is there a beach , is there an ocean, what does the map border look like

[south lance]

unfortunately true

[mint swan]

yea taming takes a while on offical

[covert tapir]

what is the border of the map , its no longer the obelisk or the implant

[verbal wind]

i was lucky to tame a sinoma before they patched the sign/torch method

[blissful perch]

Hoping for no oceans 🤞🏼

[south lance]

obi was never the border tho

[verbal wind]

hoping for more oceans

[south lance]

its still really easy just more rng

[grim kestrel]

Like a mid level theri taking 2 hours to tame >_>

[south lance]

especially since maewings make caching up to them a breeze

[mint swan]

im hoping for a large world with maybe an ocean could be more fun if they changed how water stuff worked

[verbal wind]

ark 1 needed more ocean stuff, making having squids and mosas worth a damn

[mint swan]

yea

[desert swallow]

needs more water

[verbal wind]

i loved Center because that ocean was huuuuge and deep

[covert tapir]

actuall ocean bioms

[south lance]

if theres no squid and mosas theres nothing to need making worth a damn

[grim kestrel]

Breeding can stay the same on official, that fine. But don't make me babysit a wild dino for hours for me to tame it. Dealbreaker on me trying official or not in Ark 2

[verbal wind]

i mean i'd rather not babysit a baby dino for hours to make sure it doesn't starve

[mint swan]

true make atleast a tame that feeds babies

[blissful perch]

Tell me you’ve never heard of scope creep without telling me

[covert tapir]

maybe adults will feed the babies of the same species

[verbal wind]

that's why i love the maewing

[grim kestrel]

Difference between a baby dino and wild is at least you can go do other stuff cause your baby in a safe place. Taming you can't really control where it at.

[south lance]

oceans are hard to make fun

inherently you have the oxygen and mobility and visibility issues

[wanton pike]

Imagine they made even more dinosaurs for ark 2 than they made for ark 1.

[blissful perch]

Ocean DLC gang

[mint swan]

ocean dlc gang

[south lance]

maybe if you changed how much of the ocean is just murder creature itll help

[verbal wind]

one way to not make them fun, filling them with eels that have insane aggro range :D

looking at you crystal isles...

[grim kestrel]

Yeah, hopefully we still get some form of decent scuba gear in Ark 2

[mint swan]

or the jellies

[covert tapir]

eels should be neutral or corpse eaters

[south lance]

idk if the scuba is the issue

[covert tapir]

jellyfish shouldnt be aggro like they have no sense of space

[south lance]

though not being able to stay underwater for several days is gonna make it less popular

[blissful perch]

Issue #1 is how you make aquatic souls combat as good as land souls combat while not running out of dev resources 😂

[covert tapir]

there needs to be like a pre scuba or smth

[verbal wind]

mods fixed jellyfish. nerf speed and aggro range

[grim kestrel]

You could stay under for a long time if you kept a few scuba torso with you just change it when it ran low.

[south lance]

just dont make jellyfish aggressive

[verbal wind]

same effect

[south lance]

i want to log off underwater

without needing a vacuum

[untold ingot]

I mean, with scuba I would usually stay under for hours lol

[south lance]

youd need to be online too often to just use scuba as is

how long does 1 scuba tank last

[untold ingot]

Depends on the quality

[south lance]

1 hour irl?

[verbal wind]

basic scuba tank lasts a decent amount

[south lance]

use default

[covert tapir]

also carnivore corpse healing needs to be put down

[blissful perch]

Basic is like 20 min tops

[south lance]

yeah no thats garbage

[covert tapir]

and they should only "hunt " when they are hungry

not just kill a billion dodos

[mint swan]

i mean they are going to hunt soo maybe

[verbal wind]

i had a rex slaughter my base once because i'd get it to 10% hp, it would kill something, and bam back to full health

[south lance]

if you cant stay underwater more than 3 or 4 hours without needing to replace something then itll never be justified to have a huge portion of gameplay around it

[untold ingot]

Unless they are cats, or human npcs

[south lance]

like look at gen1 oceans, all that effort and nobody plays gen1

[untold ingot]

Hard disagree lol.

[grim kestrel]

What do you think a good substitute for the Vacuum pod in Ark 1 is? That the thing Wildcard has to do is find a non-tek substitute for a similar effect.

[verbal wind]

gen1 was crap map design

[covert tapir]

gen 1 is also just a big suckfest

[mint swan]

yea gen1 was not good

[south lance]

eh fair

[covert tapir]

put that ocean in the island its gonna be good

[untold ingot]

The environment of certain areas should be tough enough 5o make it not safe to stay for a long time

[blissful perch]

Crash every time you enter the Gen 1 ocean and you don’t play there

[verbal wind]

you shouldn't make a map centered around teleporting around, without fixing your teleport system first

[untold ingot]

Fjordur has a better ocean than gen1 imo

[south lance]

sure but oceans arent small, they are fuckall massive

[untold ingot]

It's just not deep enough

[south lance]

even snow isnt this bad

[blissful perch]

I like Fjordur being honest about depth being useless in ark oceans

[south lance]

at least you can log off with decent gear

[grim kestrel]

Gen 1 was is great on unofficial that has flyers enabled.

[blissful perch]

All depth does is waste time. It doesn’t ADD much

[south lance]

you cant do that with ocean and ocean is even bigger

[untold ingot]

Well, irl the ocean is more dangerous than snow anyway lol

[south lance]

never had this issue personallu

[untold ingot]

Bruh

[south lance]

ehhh

[verbal wind]

center had deep deep oceans

[south lance]

i mean kinda if youre smaller than a cat

[verbal wind]

lots of places to explore

[untold ingot]

Center oceans were meh though, because they had nothing in them

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 oceans got worse as they got deeper. Literally nothing different from any other flavorless seabed except it takes longer to get to the bottom

[untold ingot]

I actually like being surrounded by a massive ocean lol

[blissful perch]

Only reason they exist is because shoreline mosas trolling bobs made people sad

[south lance]

thats probably just efficient map design

[verbal wind]

rag had good oceans

[south lance]

its so fucking bad with visibility anyhow

[blissful perch]

Fine, but make it shallow and interesting

[south lance]

shallow oceans would be nice

[untold ingot]

Again they were kind of meh due to lack of things in them

[south lance]

maybe design some deep trenches full of cool shit here and there

[wanton pike]

Extinction has good oceans

[grim kestrel]

This here is a fact, rag ocean was like another map in one

[untold ingot]

Shallow is okay, but they have to be deeper than the island ocean, and more extensive

[blissful perch]

The SUMP was good

[south lance]

why

[untold ingot]

Like there has to be distance

[verbal wind]

and the squid trench was an interesting point. make the artifact a bit dangerous to get

[blissful perch]

Optimal oceans. Same with SE

[covert tapir]

pls when i went down there let me tell you i was SCARED

[south lance]

id like the map overall to be bigger

but in the context of oceans specifically, i dont see the use

[untold ingot]

Map should be 12x bigger with 1/4 of it ocean

[south lance]

erg

[verbal wind]

yeah, i don't go into deep deep ocean for a while

[untold ingot]

Ocean == fun pve

[verbal wind]

i try to tame squid first before spending a lot of time in the deep ocean

[south lance]

1/6th at most imo

[covert tapir]

arat map must be big i agree

[south lance]

well

id like 1/4th shallow

[covert tapir]

at least twice the island

[south lance]

with a little bit deep

shallow being like 1 render distance

[blissful perch]

Give me lakes and maybe a small shallow sea and I’m digging it

[south lance]

at most

[verbal wind]

one thing i'd like to have more of, automoving

[blissful perch]

But the ocean in the ark 1 sense needs to be a DLC or not included

[covert tapir]

we saw a lake behind santiago on the rex no?

[south lance]

with some trenches with the snailfish or whatever

[untold ingot]

It has to have room to wander around in. I liked the center oceans because they were so big that you could go down and not see any land or seabed. It was awesome

[covert tapir]

tbh that looked like a spawn area to me thats why is asked about the beaches

[blissful perch]

It’s gonna be hot garbage to be in the sea if all the mechanics from the terrestrial map don’t work well…and I’ve got no clue how they have the time to make that work

[verbal wind]

there are points where you have a long way to travel, and it sucks having to just hold the w key for a solid five minutes

[untold ingot]

The canoe map glitch is great for this lol

[verbal wind]

it is

it's also why i LOVE the tropeo so much

[untold ingot]

But if there is sea, there should be wind, and if there is wind there should be ships, and with ships there should be sails

[verbal wind]

just being able to travel long distances without constantly holding a button

[untold ingot]

I also have used gas bag delivery crates to travel long distances

Those are fun

[covert tapir]

hope there are agressive flyers

and if not more skittish flyers

#makeflyershardtotame

#makeflyersweak

[untold ingot]

This might be controversial, but I want every biome in ark2 to be soo massive and tough that even endgame travel takes time and prep

[grim kestrel]

You play PvP don't you? lol

[untold ingot]

Who?

[verbal wind]

that would be easy to have travel turn into a chore though

[covert tapir]

and i would eat it up

[verbal wind]

like caves in pokemon

[untold ingot]

The pros for this outweigh the cons like 20 to 1

[covert tapir]

how are you comparing ark with pokemon huh

[grim kestrel]

I believe with Unreal Engine 5 and only releasing Ark 2 on current gen, I don't think we're gonna have to worry about not seeing a massive map with plenty of wild life. Question is how abundant are AI tribes going to be

[verbal wind]

just trying to get somewhere, and having to stop and waste time as your frustratingly just try to get out of a fight or finish it fast. and then it happens 20 more times so that a 5 minute walk turns into a half hour

[untold ingot]

I mean, with ark1 pve the most glaring issue was there not being enough land lol. So I think we do have to worry about it anyway lol

[verbal wind]

it would likely promote turtling instead of exploring, or just grabbing a bunch of flyers to avoid the bs in jungles and such

[covert tapir]

they might aswell delete jungles then

thats the thing

less than 5% of the players have ever been in a jungle 😂

[verbal wind]

or don't turn every trip into a slog

[untold ingot]

If travel is as easy as it is in ark1 I'll be disappointed

[covert tapir]

maybe for a drop

[grim kestrel]

I hope not, I enjoyed the thick forest of the redwoods

[covert tapir]

thats the thing

[verbal wind]

i avoid the redwoods like the plague unless i have a giga or wyvern

[covert tapir]

delete flyers completely

[untold ingot]

I want then to be lol

[mint swan]

maybe make certain areas more difficult like if your going into a mountain or volcano theres more stuff you gotta go through but forests are easier

[covert tapir]

give me fast stegos ill be fine

[untold ingot]

Having fliers isn't an issue. Flier weight capacity and lack of challenge is the issue

[covert tapir]

ahhh yes the easy forest full of raptors

[verbal wind]

i don't want to take an hour or more just to get across the map

[mint swan]

see you got the right idea

[untold ingot]

I want it to take like 5 or 6 hours to cross

I want space, even in endgame

[covert tapir]

what if there was no need to get across the map? what if there would be the ressources needed in a reasonable range everywhere

its not hard adding a small cave with crystal and obsidian

[mint swan]

i think it should be big yes but not giant

[grim kestrel]

Nah flyers should definitely stay a thing, but maybe for starters not be allowed to bola flyers for easy tame in Ark 2 and change all flyers to a passive tame where you had to calm it or something.

[untold ingot]

There should be most resources within like 30 min from everywhere. But I want the map to be absolutely massive

[untold ingot]

They need a hard nerf though

[tropic crag]

Making things hard and take forever just for the sake of doing so is an L take, sorry @untold ingot

[untold ingot]

Agree to disagree lol

[verbal wind]

the struggle through early and mid game is fun, definitely

[mint swan]

maybe filers take more blunt damnage

[verbal wind]

but there has to be a reward at the end

[covert tapir]

raqkaaq its us against the lazys

[mint swan]

When is ark 2 gonna realese

[untold ingot]

Something has to take the time commitment of breeding and raising, so I would rather it be exploration

[covert tapir]

yesterday

[mint swan]

like an anky could destroy a flier with ease

[verbal wind]

sometime this decade

maybe

[mint swan]

Who do i belive

[untold ingot]

But that reward shouldn't make the game trivial

[covert tapir]

yesterday is sometime in this decade

[mint swan]

So it realesed

[covert tapir]

flyers should be grounded more easily

[verbal wind]

you know the release date as much as we do

[covert tapir]

no

we dont know when

[untold ingot]

It is slated to release this year, but for ps it is only speculation that it'll be a year after that

[tropic crag]

It really doesn't, lol

[grim kestrel]

That would have to depend on the type of flyer, Pteradon are quite squishy already, but they make up for it in speed. Argy are slow, but they tank and have good weight and decent damage. Wyvern are probably really the only ones that need to have an aspect they're weak in OR be a lot harder to obtain than they are.

[verbal wind]

argy are the real heroes

[covert tapir]

hmm no

ptera and argy nerf

to the ground literally

[grim kestrel]

Agree to disagree

[untold ingot]

Literally every flier in the game is more op that the majority of land tames. All fliers need a hard nerf

[verbal wind]

i'd say getting your initial wyvern is still fairly difficult

[untold ingot]

Especially the argy and wyverns

[covert tapir]

paracer with turret be like "hello there "

[grim kestrel]

Now I will support one nerf for ptera and wyvern both... Disable the ability on official to pick up anyone or anything that not in your own tribe.

[covert tapir]

and argy?

[grim kestrel]

Yeah

[covert tapir]

the only one that needs this nerf lol

[grim kestrel]

Leave the ability to pickup, but only for people and dino in your tribe

[covert tapir]

yes

[tropic crag]

Idk about that one, chief

[covert tapir]

but you only ever do that with an argy anyway when taming doedi or anky

[tropic crag]

Maybe Void, sure

[untold ingot]

Hmm, for pve yes. For pvp, there has to still be picking, but it shouldn't be as easy

[covert tapir]

every void is difficult tho not just the initial

[verbal wind]

when i start a new map it's still pretty butt clenching when i run for my first wyvern egg

[grim kestrel]

Not if you have crystal isles where you can tame a crystal or blood passively.

[untold ingot]

Level 5 maewing go brrrr

[covert tapir]

we dont talk about non story mode creatures

[verbal wind]

oh right the crystal wyverns are a thing

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but that wasn't the point 😅

[covert tapir]

they are not in the ark balance scale for me xd

[tropic crag]

I don't even mean those, tbh I forgot about them lol

Maewing is a helluva drug though, as Raq said

[verbal wind]

i've only tamed them for baby raising

never taken the time to get used to their flying stuff

[covert tapir]

you guys think creatures will still need to eat 10 pieces of meat after running or are there gonna be food and hunger changes

[untold ingot]

Even a pt makes getting an wyvern egg trivial

[verbal wind]

when i go for eggs i tame up like 3 trash pteras as fodder

[covert tapir]

just level an iguanodon full speed ^^

[untold ingot]

There is literally almost no pve challenge in the entire game once you get to a moderate level with a moderate tame. And that takes literally like an hour from startinf

[grim kestrel]

Argys were my tribes flyer of choice, we had the weight mutation breed line on lock in the official cluster we were on.

[untold ingot]

Ark2 needs to be harder, to travel, to tame, to level

[verbal wind]

longer level time, sure

[covert tapir]

not in lategame tho

[tropic crag]

Sure, but not without reason, and definitely not to the scale you suggested 😂

[untold ingot]

More inventive ways to level lol. Killing baby dinos for levels shouldn't be a thing

[covert tapir]

but mid game needs some humbling when it comes to levels

its always lvl 25 to 60 in 1 hour

[untold ingot]

6 hour travel to cross an entire map? That doesn't actually seem bad imo. Especially when there won't be as many maps out

[mint swan]

I hope ark2 makes flyers way harder to obtain

[untold ingot]

And less useful when obtained

[verbal wind]

base level cap at ~60, unlock further levels by beating bosses

[covert tapir]

a dream we can only hope for

[mint swan]

Tbh you’re ALMOST invincible the second you get a wyvern as long as you’re careful

[verbal wind]

and have good luck

[untold ingot]

The actual level cap imo isn't the issue, just how easy it is to cap it with something as cheesy as notes

[covert tapir]

we dont even know how leveling will work

[tropic crag]

It does to me, I don't want to have to sit there for 6 hours holding w, that's what Ark 1 is for lmao

[grim kestrel]

As long as harder to tame doesn't mean longer. We already had a discussion early that a dealbreaker which will immediately send me to unofficial. Not trying to babysit a wild dino for 2 hours in a random spot of the map so a pack of allos don't have a free lunch.

[covert tapir]

ahh yes no more xp notes pls

[verbal wind]

someone on my server managed to drown their wyvern

[untold ingot]

Ideally you wouldn't have to travel the whole way lol

[untold ingot]

Tranq taming shouldn't be a thing. I am more in favor of immersive passive taming methods

[covert tapir]

pressing w, the sequel 👀?

[grim kestrel]

There definitely gonna be Santiago Doodles to locate that'll give a little surge of XP

[mint swan]

I hope the flying mechanics are more fun too, I’d love to see diving and swirling and stuff lol

[verbal wind]

more flyers should be able to glide

[untold ingot]

The map needs to be big enough for lots of people to have massive bases and not make a dent in the actual space of the map

[verbal wind]

that would be nice

i like building big

[grim kestrel]

Am I reading a message from someone who used a Sino like I have?

[covert tapir]

flyers can only be obtained by claiming a baby, they nest on hard to get cliffs and become aggressive when you get close to the nest

[untold ingot]

Rn people can literally lock down an entire server with just like 20 hours of farming. That shouldn't be a thing. But also I really really do enjoy massive travel times

[mint swan]

Those little lost island pterosaurs? I don’t think I’ve managed to tame one yet

[mint swan]

Kinda like the deinonychus lol

[untold ingot]

Imagine if bed fast travel actually became useful lol

[covert tapir]

griffins can dive too you sino is not unique xd

[verbal wind]

sinomacrops are amazing critters

[mint swan]

I want one but I cannot find one aaaa

[verbal wind]

i love the sheer mobility they offer

[untold ingot]

Mobility is good. Speed is not lol

[mint swan]

Ever since I restarted my whole ark I only have a raptor and three dilos on the centre, so no sino taming for me just yet

[grim kestrel]

You might enjoy being on the ground more after you keep a Sino on your back, diving off of mountains to glide down and parachute before landing those things give you a good running start on the ground.

[verbal wind]

or just flying up and gliding across half the map

[mint swan]

Sounds like a better version of the archaeopteryx, definitely gonna consider getting one when I’m able to

[grim kestrel]

Although Sino are slow flying straight up

Not their primary use

[untold ingot]

I am a fan of sinos, even though I want hard nerfs on fliers

[verbal wind]

yeah, they're not there for a quick escape up

[mint swan]

I doubt any more nerfs or tlcs are gonna happen for ark 1 imo

[verbal wind]

but they're also a little bug zapper which we have seriously needed

[untold ingot]

I am not talking ark1

[mint swan]

Ah my bad

[verbal wind]

i fucking hate high level ants and dragonflies

[grim kestrel]

I think it a good substitute for the tek suit

[untold ingot]

I want ark2 fliers to never reach the level of broken that ark1 fliers reached on release

[mint swan]

I used to have a god argy that could take down just about anything short of gigas and wyverns without breaking a sweat and could fly so fast it could probably rival a ptera, so agreed. Definitely need a huuuuuge nerf lol

[grim kestrel]

Land, air, or sea creatures it will eventually become overpowered. That an impossible request to put on Wildcard to prevent that unless you just wanted to get rid of breed mutations entirely. That would be the only way, but then no one would breed period cause it would be pointless.

[untold ingot]

They nerfed speed leveling, but weight needs nerfs too. And weather needs to add a nerf. Famage to wings should make flight unstable or even ground them. There needs to be more danger in actual flight

[south lance]

id like more gameplay than breeding

[grim kestrel]

Except for colors

[untold ingot]

Yes I would like to get rid of stat mutations. 100%. Replace it with skills and traits

[south lance]

cut down on dlc releases and add more stuff into dlc after release

[verbal wind]

weather effecting flying could be neat

[south lance]

i think carchar was basically testing their ability to drop dinos into old maps

[verbal wind]

but not a repeat of SE storms

[untold ingot]

It needs to be more severe than se weather, but less plain annoying lol

[mint swan]

I’m so tired of ark being purely grinding and breeding for hours and hours, I hope ark2 is more into the actual aspect of the game being fun AND difficult, not just difficult

[verbal wind]

seriously how does a storm stop you from firing a gun?

[split dove]

ah yes, a man of cultured vision, i agree

[mint swan]

Boom crash lightning bad : (

[untold ingot]

Go out into a sandstorm irl and try to fire a musket lol

[wintry urchin]

I mean the grinding is all so you can raid people and do PVP and get to the actual fun part

[untold ingot]

I want it to be fun and difficult. Unfortunately I guess my ideas of games being fun means they are ridiculously difficult

[verbal wind]

it wasn't even sandstorms that stopped you from shooting, it was lightning storms

[untold ingot]

I want fighting a wild Rex to feel like an elder ring boss lol

[grim kestrel]

I'm split on this idea, I kind of like the change that Ark gave us something every month, but if it meant introducing something substantial like every map gets 5 additional dinos that goes through a vote post release of each map and quest that end with you getting special gear or weapons. Then I think I would be down for spaced out DLC

[mighty lion]

Or building defenses, the other fun part

[verbal wind]

i was so sad when they patched the plant x exploit

[mint swan]

Well that’s fine, but for people who don’t do pvp and prefer building, exploring, taming, and befriending people like I do, there is vey little fun to the game except for the earlier days when it purely is just that

Tbh it just depends on ur preference if you find late game fun or not :]

[wintry urchin]

Thats why I could never get into PVE, because all of your grinding is for... nothing in the end

Like you could make a big base and get cool dinos but all just to say you have it, the grind truly never stops on PVE

[untold ingot]

With much larger maps the building is less restricted, and the exploring is much better imo

[verbal wind]

i enjoy the lategame. i love being able to go back and curbstomp the stuff that gave me trouble in early-midgame

[mint swan]

Totally! I just don’t grind lol, I run around taming stuff and exploring and building

[untold ingot]

I actually don't like this lol. I like the feel of progression, but not the feel of being overpowered against everything

Unless it took like 500 hours to get there

[mighty lion]

I mean building: you could always use one more tower or breeding location. Exploring : should always be looking for an op fob spot or scouting bases. Taming: if your in the endgame, you should be able to tame anything easily

[grim kestrel]

I'm one of those PvE players, unofficial changed that only early game limit to enjoy. I found one cluster where the owner held one day a week auction where you could bring dinos you tamed and/or breed and auctioned them off the currency chosen was ingots.

[verbal wind]

sounds fun

[mint swan]

I had a ridiculously high levelled tek rex with almost all of the points into melee, and it just wasn’t fun for me anymore. I like having the game be difficult. I don’t ever want to loose the feeling of mystery and danger like you have when you’re nothing but a beach Bob, that’s why I’m excited for ark2 and the potential it has

That’s just me though

[grim kestrel]

It would be interesting to see that auction concept work for official on Ark 2

[untold ingot]

100%. It needs to have danger even endgame

[mighty lion]

Unfortunately, Meshers are the danger in endgame

[verbal wind]

i like building stuff and setting up my base, also essentially being able to sell goods to other players in the server. in one playthrough i built an entire trading post on Ab to sell rock drake eggs, light pets, and resources from different stalls

[untold ingot]

That sounds epic lol

[verbal wind]

i went all out with that build. there was even an outhouse

[mint swan]

And also, this is a weird opinion, but I hate tek. (except cryopods, such a godsend) Ruins the whole vibe for me and I always reset the game if I get close to that point

[grim kestrel]

Ab was probably my most hated map, I swear I couldn't travel that map without getting lost.

[untold ingot]

Well, add cryopods to the dislike section and that sounds good to me lol

[mint swan]

That’s so neat! I love that idea

[verbal wind]

oh, no joke, i hate ab unless i have a rock drake. then it's fine

[mint swan]

Only reason I like cryopods is because arks maps are so broken that my tames always get trapped and then I just. Loose them to a little crevasse forever lol

I love ab cuz it never stops being dangerous and scary, I don’t play on it much though

[mighty lion]

No. No cryopods were the best qol item added in Ark 1

[verbal wind]

i like the tek generator so i don't have to build a hundred wires everywhere

[untold ingot]

Oh I get that. There has to be a way to get stuff out of spots like that, as well as mass storage. But there has to not be pocket cryos

[verbal wind]

the only problem is i hate the particles

[mighty lion]

Yeah should be a way to turn those off for yourself

[mint swan]

Definitely! Maybe some sort of “lift” item or pully system you can attach to big dinosaurs and pull out any time you need them? Something like that would be cool I think

[grim kestrel]

I don't know I think I still want a way to inventory dinos if we transfer maps.

[untold ingot]

But it shouldn't be pocket cryos

[verbal wind]

yeah my biggest gripe about starting over on a server is losing all the taming and breeding time

[untold ingot]

Ark isn't designed to restart from scratch. And in a perfect world you shouldn't have to. That perfect world happens by lelevling not making you so op, and requires nerfs to breeding (removing stat mutations) and fliers. Otherwise the game quickly doesn't become fun pve so you have to move to pvp and spend your life farming just to stay in the game

Bigger maps make it less necessary to restart so often also

[verbal wind]

the server i'm on restarts like once a year because most people get tired of lategame

[stray elm]

And the server data should be resetted.

Fresh servers will always run better then an old server that's been running for years

[untold ingot]

The hardware definitely should get upgraded

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly

[untold ingot]

I mean if the want to do it defiantly that's okay I guess, but it definitely needs to happen 😛

[grim kestrel]

Need something in place on official in Ark 2 that prevents pillar/foundation spamming the entire map. That another reason official annoying to get into if you're not among the first on that server

[mint swan]

Question: is there by chance and anarchy servers on ark? Like 2b2t but in ark?

[stray elm]

Yeah, it's called 'official PvP'

[untold ingot]

Yes, official is exactly that lol

[untold ingot]

Giant maps and spam decay

[verbal wind]

that would be nice

[mint swan]

Damn I didn’t except the official server itself to be anarchy lmao

[untold ingot]

Yeah, they definitely are lol

[grim kestrel]

That decay gonna have a counter to it, like foundations won't decay themselves as long as there two connected.

[verbal wind]

when i tried official maps i went through a few servers trying to find one that wasn't covered in pillars

[untold ingot]

Probably worse than minecraft anarchy

[stray elm]

Official PvE isn't as bad.
But it's pretty fucking bad on PvP when even the owner of their parent company encourages it.

[untold ingot]

A rust like tc system works imo

[mint swan]

Maybe there should be something that causes stand alone structures to decay. Like foundations and pillars that aren’t connected to a base if that makes sense

Not even sure if that code is possible to implement though

[grim kestrel]

If that kind of detection is possible yes.

[untold ingot]

Having to refill a tc to keep spam around would do that

Claiming land is okay, but it should take a lot to maintain it

[stray elm]

If they allow foundation stacking, then there'd be no reason for pillars other then bridges.
Which I'd think would reduce a lot of pillar spamming of they made them pointless.
Or hell, remove pillars all together and attach them to stuff like bridges.

[untold ingot]

Remove pillars and people just use foundations

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[mint swan]

Ooh what If your structures gets overtaken by plant life and start breaking down if you don’t tend to it? That would be neat. It could prevent spam without beyond too annoying to active players

[untold ingot]

There needs to be a more advanced land claim system imo

[grim kestrel]

Also behemoth gates need an automatic limit to 3 per tribe, that will prevent a lot of lag on official

[untold ingot]

Best way to do this is to have an easy way to make a big wall lol. People use gates because it is very taxing to make walls around a compound

[verbal wind]

3 gates max. there goes my wyvern trap

[untold ingot]

I don't really agree with 3 gates per tribe. But add in better compound walls and you don't need to limit gates

[grim kestrel]

There is an easy way to make big walls, just line foundations in the around the area you want and you can build as high of walls as you want and leave enough room on 2 sides for a front and back behemoth gate.

The real issue is people don't want to gather the resources

[untold ingot]

Ah, yes, with perfectly flat ground.

Usually the ground isn't flat enough to build like that lol

[grim kestrel]

Doesn't have to be entirely flat, you start with the lowest point and when you get a spot that won't connect start walls on the foundation that down and put a few walls up, then align your next foundation on that wall.

People don't want to think about how to do, they want it to be simple

[untold ingot]

It should be simple to do lol. Why would I spend 5 hours making a wall, when I can place 15 gates in 10 minutes

[grim kestrel]

Cause then you get lag fest that official is now.

[verbal wind]

building needs to be better in ark 2

[mint swan]

Because ark is supposed to be difficult and tedious lol, you can’t have “ark” and “simple” at the same time

[grim kestrel]

It is stated to be 10x more manipulative than Ark 1.

[blissful perch]

Only if you have fast travel is a map that big feasible

[verbal wind]

the main thing they need to fix is letting us actually toggle where to put stuff. don't give us a preview of where a wall will go where we want it, then have the wall place and replace a preexisting wall

[grim kestrel]

I disagree with that personally

[untold ingot]

Yup. It would make fast travel (already an ark mechanic) actually viabke

[mint swan]

Instead of breaking walls, it should simply not allow you to place walls where a structure already exists. I’ve lost valuable resources this way

[verbal wind]

or give you an 'are you sure?' popup at least

like they did with eating fertilized eggs

[grim kestrel]

I'm for the pop up are you sure button, because there is almost always a situation I want to move a doorway so I change a wall to a door and vice versa

[verbal wind]

also, taller walls. tired of my character's head clipping through a doorframe meant for a hobbit

[mint swan]

That would make more sense for sure

[untold ingot]

A pop-up would be annoying though

[verbal wind]

also the annoying bit of a pillar that sticks through a ceiling

[grim kestrel]

It better than losing an entire wall though

[mint swan]

Gotta love the giant thingy that sticks up through the ceiling whenever you place down a fireplace

[untold ingot]

Not really no

[verbal wind]

lost so many resources to that

i'd rather just click the popup than lose 5 walls worth of resources

[untold ingot]

Having a pop-up show up every second during a complicated build will get really really old

[mint swan]

There should be a “don’t show this again” box you can click in the pop up for people that find it annoying

[verbal wind]

it would only pop up when you're about to smash an existing piece

[untold ingot]

As a software designer, thats typically the sign of a bad dev lol

[grim kestrel]

I build bases big enough that I can function a breeding room to grow potentially the largest dino if I have to, Ark that was a Giga, that like 16 walls high

[untold ingot]

There are better ways to do that than an are you sure pop-up lol

[verbal wind]

yes

i said that's the bare minimum they could do

[untold ingot]

They may as well not do anything if that is what they do lol

[grim kestrel]

He did say that bare minimum

[verbal wind]

it would be better to actually place where the preview shows, and not have the placement jump to a random other snap point

[mint swan]

I’m excited to see what they do with the building in ark2

Because rn it sucks

[grim kestrel]

At least Ark not as bad a Conan, building multi levels wants to put it across the entire base.

[verbal wind]

there are ups and downs to conan building

[grim kestrel]

Yeah like you don't need to stand on a rex/giga's head to build a breeding room LOL

[mint swan]

That’s why a Tapejara is a godsend lol

Before you get tek chestpiece that is

[verbal wind]

i'd also like better looking thatch structures

[grim kestrel]

Sino replaced Tapejara

[verbal wind]

my cabanas never look good

[mint swan]

Ngl I’d kinda like shelters made from sticks and leaves propped up rather than thatch. Better camouflage, less ugly, and a bit more primitive because I know that’s what ark2 is going for

[verbal wind]

one thing that would be good too, a triangle foudation with a right angle instead of an equilateral triangle

or curved pieces would be nice too

no more minecraft looking castles

and ffs stacking foundations

[grim kestrel]

Not only that but all the recipe options on prim plus and structure designs for inside the base that we can look forward to in Ark 2

If prim+ didn't have the issue where half of the resources didn't work as intended I'd play it more than regular

[mint swan]

And more easily customizable rafts! Instead of using the pillar + foundation trick, there should be a thing called “raft pieces”, a flat board made of whatever material that you can just put straight onto the side of the raft

[verbal wind]

more decorations would be nice

[grim kestrel]

prim+ has a bunch of decorations, there just resources that don't work like they're supposed to so you have to find a server that put refined stuff in customized drops

[verbal wind]

like for the taxidermy stuff, how could would it be to raxidermy the head of a dino for the trophy wall mount?

[mint swan]

Imagine having a badass dragon boss head mounted above your fire place, that would be cool

Or a Giga or a rex or something

[blissful perch]

You’d need fast travel akin to obelisks, where you could upload to green and download at red with the same character. Perhaps limit it to fast travel places you’ve visited

[verbal wind]

you can already get the dragon head trophy

but yeah having a rex or giga head would be nice

[grim kestrel]

Fast travel already exist it from your bed, but you have to empty your inventory so you need to keep resources at both places

[mint swan]

Oh really? I didn’t know that. I’ve never done a boss fight

[verbal wind]

there are mods that add them, but with the taxidermy added in extinction it felt like wasted potential

[blissful perch]

I’m aware of ark 1 fast travel, and it’s imo garbage as a substitute for the fast travel that’s near mandatory in any open world game with a large map

[verbal wind]

ark 1 maps take so long to load fast travel is ass

one reason why gen 1 sucked

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 maps are largely fine. Small enough to not need fast travel

[grim kestrel]

Honestly I think that is solved by simply letting us tame flyers.

[mint swan]

Gen1 and 2 ruined the game for a lot of players I’ve noticed

[verbal wind]

2 was fun i thought

[blissful perch]

Size is better represented as a relative metric that’s based on travel speeds

[verbal wind]

it was huge, though could have been built better imo

[blissful perch]

Gen 2 is objectively huge, but maewings and shadowmanes on the map made it feel tiny

[mint swan]

I’ve literally only hopped on once because I wanted an x raptor, so I don’t know if gen is actually good or not, that’s just what I’ve heard

[verbal wind]

starting with a tek suit helped

[split dove]

no matter how big your map is it will always feel tiny if there are methods of transportation that fast

[blissful perch]

Worst part of Gen 2

[grim kestrel]

Yes Gen2 is massive, but is only like half really inhabitable to build on

[split dove]

i only keep tek boots on incase i get lag and arked

[blissful perch]

I’m speaking strictly about travel times. Building is a whole other ball of wax

[verbal wind]

half of gen 2 was kinda ugly

[grim kestrel]

I'd like to see Gen2 size map with fully inhabitable anywhere you feel looks good to you

[verbal wind]

i was happy to have my tropeo on gen 2

[finite pebble]

What’s tsotf?

[verbal wind]

crystal isles was a good sized map. it just didn't have much of note

[mint swan]

I loved Crystal isles, except for the fact it was blinding even with the lowest gamma possible

[verbal wind]

i had to reinstall valguero for the same issue

[grim kestrel]

The Survival of The Fittest - their BR for Ark, but this is the wrong channel for that topic

[verbal wind]

hopefully lighting is better

[mint swan]

Off topic-ish, but I’d also love a bonding system for Dino’s rather than “I shot you in the face and then fed you prime and now you love me” lol

[verbal wind]

immersive taming

[mint swan]

It would make them feel more alive rather than just weapons and breeding tools

[verbal wind]

there's a mod for it on ark 1 and it works well

[mighty lion]

Hoping for atleast 4x the map size

[verbal wind]

i think in some cases it makes it easier though

[mint swan]

It would be neat if at first your Dino was wary and would occasionally disobey orders, and slowly the longer you have it the more loyal it would become. I understand that’s not very ark-ish though

[verbal wind]

i could see them running off and aggroing shit

[mighty lion]

Man imagine going into a fight with a tame that's like " nope you don't have enough badges for me to bite this guy"

[verbal wind]

like a lowkey giga rage mechanic

[mint swan]

When an alpha raptor comes charging at you and your rex goes “nah I don’t feel like fighting it” would kinda suck lmao. So maybe it would be a bit more refined than what I said, but still something similar

[verbal wind]

or let you steal someone's tame lol

[grim kestrel]

No, for the same reason I think pickup/drag needs to be disabled for anyone not in your tribe.

[verbal wind]

Something like a loyalty bar would be neat. mostly because i want to give my deinonychus scritches

[mint swan]

Imagine leading someone’s max level Giga away because it likes the meat jerky you’re holding in your hand LOL

[mighty lion]

Pick and drag?

[mint swan]

Exactly this! I want to be able to interact with my dinosaurs

[grim kestrel]

Dragging someone offline or picking someone up with a flyer should be tribe only

[verbal wind]

oh or it could be a buff. giving them love and attention gives them a damage resist or attack buff. not huge but would be neat

have to take your gigas on walkies

[mighty lion]

Prison skiff is hilarious though

[mint swan]

It would be cool if you had to actually train them to do certain things like “attack my target” and “passive”

[grim kestrel]

Yeah had that of happen to me on official I would have immediately reported them.

[mighty lion]

Report them for what?

[mint swan]

It’s kinda uncanny to have something that was trying to rip your head off suddenly be super chill and follow everything you say

[grim kestrel]

griefing for obvious

[mighty lion]

Oh pve?

[grim kestrel]

Yeah, only PvP I'm playing is SoTF

[mighty lion]

Pve specific limitations should be a thing

[grim kestrel]

getting back on topic of Ark 2, with it going to be primitive automated turrets won't likely be a thing. So maybe take a page out of CE and allow you to recruit AI tribe members you come across by having to do something they want and it could be random whatever it is and you could build a arrow turret and have them man it or equip them with bows/crossbows etc

[mint swan]

Wasn’t there planning to be an npc tribe? I wonder if you could possibly convert them over to your tribe and have them stand guard at your base

[grim kestrel]

Not planning, they're going to be AI people you will come across not all of them friendly.

[mint swan]

Oh so it’s a confirmed feature, cool

[grim kestrel]

Just more thinking if they'll allow you to recruit them and equip them with bows and stuff to defend your base

[mint swan]

That’s actually super neat, I hope that’ll be a thing

Yeah, for hard core pvp players that would be for sure. I was just talking from the prospective of someone who isn’t into all that. Everyone is different :]

Maybe there could be a “disable creature bonding” setting that makes it like classic ark

[mighty lion]

Cant wait to see the settlement system

[untold ingot]

I mean, if the obedience level was related to how many generations of tamed a creature is then that would be a cool and practical feature

[mint swan]

Oooh like imprints but different kinda

[grim kestrel]

If a bonding system was added I don't think it works through breeding, I think it would need to work in a similar way that Red Dead Online does and the more you use your tame, the more that tame trust you.

And I could see the way that works is a 4 level bond, level 1 would be the tame would only be comfortable for wild dinos the same as it or below. As that level goes up to 4 it would fight anything you sent it after. If you are mounted to your tame it overrides that so you can level the bond without concern of it running.

Which that would make for interesting getting boss ready cause we could keep mutation in stats because you would still have to level your bond up to 4 before they could go in a boss battle

[untold ingot]

This works for pve. It would not work for pvp.

It's even too much for pve imo. Rdr has less of a focus on tames than ark does

[grim kestrel]

I think it work better than breeding generational to get a bond of dinos that you don't have to worry about being to low for the particular player you're going after.

Breeding always been a coin toss if you get good or bad stats and I imagine it would be the same if the bond was done that way. They'd probably make a chance of bond being worst as if it a rebellious tame

[untold ingot]

It would be incredibly time consuming lol

[verbal wind]

because pvpers don't do anything time consuming

[grim kestrel]

That I agree with

[mint swan]

The bonding system would be a really cool thing for pve, there should be an option to turn it off in the settings menu though because it would drive pvp players crazy lol. As a pve enjoyer myself, I’d love to see more ways to interact with your tames like that

[untold ingot]

Having to spend hours and hours and hours riding a tame just so its usuable is such a waste of time imo lol

[verbal wind]

just means that they have to do something besides turtle up. they gotta go out and do stuff now and then

[untold ingot]

No, it means no one will have enough tames

[untold ingot]

If you think all pvp players just turtle up I would guess you have never played pvp lol

[verbal wind]

not since i first played ark no :D

[untold ingot]

Tames need to be easily replaceable. If every tame takes 4 hours individually to train, there will be significantly less pvp happening lol

Would be a great way to entirely kill pvp

[tropic crag]

It's going to happen anyway, getting rid of cryos 😂

Now you'll have to actually level the dinos yourself again, remember?

At least, if they don't go the weird route, and have NPCs that you can have "man" the stable or whatever the dinos will go in, and level them passively still

I think it'd be much less a waste of time then having to travel across the map for 6 hours, that's for sure 😅

[untold ingot]

Lol, I suppose maybe. Even if I disagree jaja

[tropic crag]

Having to level dinos yourself, basically

[past wind]

I doubt it... I strongly believe there will be tame pens and we will be able to do multiple actions with the tames inside of it. Like breeding, raising babies and also gain XP passively.

[tropic crag]

That just sounds like a wonder structure, which I doubt is going to be the case at all

Might as well make it mutate your dinos automatically too, huh? 😅

[untold ingot]

Something has to be done with Dino storage

[past wind]

Obviously won't

[untold ingot]

But without pocket cryos

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but I doubt it'll auto level your dinos is the point

[verbal wind]

it's possible they could reintroduce cryopods later

[untold ingot]

I hope not lol

It'll bring back the cave meta. Which I don't want to see

[tropic crag]

I thought they would, since the cryo pod that we got the DLC before levelled us passively, but maybe that was just me

[past wind]

Peeps, according to them, there will be a New Creatures Management System. What would be better than not having to leave your dinos all around your bases on the ground?

[untold ingot]

Cryos make it viable

[tropic crag]

Hardly if there's either no cave building or something else there to mitigate that

[cold locust]

They do have tame storage in atlas, it is very possible they could add it to ark 2

[past wind]

99% sure there will be no cryos

nor anything that will replace them

[untold ingot]

I want to be 100% sure lol

[past wind]

That's my point, they are doing the same for Ark 2, I believe

[cold locust]

I think a tame barn that holds tames at your base is a great mechanic

Also keeps the clutter down

[past wind]

That's what I envision

[untold ingot]

I like the idea too.

[past wind]

Not like today

[untold ingot]

Yes, caves have always been a thing and will probably always be a thing. But the only cave/rathole that happens now for everyone but no life's is so bad

[past wind]

without cryos and transmitters you can't move large dinos in and out

[untold ingot]

Same. I am okay with cave breeding bases, but it shouldn't be the only type of possible bases

[past wind]

That's what I want, no cryos and no transmitters

I know, I did that. But it was way less op than today

it was manageable... as of today its just cancer 😂

[untold ingot]

Hmm, not really. An ice cave back in the day was literally unraidable

[past wind]

The ice wasnt a rat hole

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's the first big change. The next one would be a nerf of explosives jaja

[untold ingot]

It is a crouch point. It's almost as bad as a rathole, and is so much more op

If there was an oxygen stat in a cave that made it so if you had too many dinos then things start to suffocate that could be cool

[past wind]

sure, but my biggest issue with caves is the super small ratholes that people are just able to live and do everything from there, barely unnoticed

[tropic crag]

I lived in truly unraidable spots, pre-cryos. Wasn't hard tbh

[untold ingot]

I mean, depends. I could write a simple one thst would take almost no resources

I think a a lot of the more recent ones were intended

[past wind]

But now they are aware and they shouldn't allow it to be thing for Ark 2

[untold ingot]

Oh, yeah I guarantee it. But it could be

Maybe not simple, but at least low cost

Yeah, it should be able to do things like that

The system for that is improved in ue5

At least that is what was said

[past wind]

sure, but not allowing large dinos in and out will do wonders to avoid mega tribes in tiny caves

[untold ingot]

Hatch eggs in. Raise. Profit.

You can't really avoid that without some other feature

[past wind]

but then you will have to store them

[untold ingot]

Unless the caves are tiny

[untold ingot]

Not really. Just set of breeding lines. Get lots of eggs and have a hatching station outside

[past wind]

That would be fine to me, you would need to protect them outside

the problem in my view is storing 100s of dinos in tiny spaces because the cryofridges are super small

[untold ingot]

I mean, the problem is a base like that is very hard, if not impossible to raid without cryos.

[past wind]

and also being able to move them in and out without issues

[past wind]

limiting what the tribe can store inside of it helps

[untold ingot]

Transmitters are kind of important though. Or at least some other way to travel between maps

[untold ingot]

Yup, and oxygen limit would be a nice way of doing it imo

[past wind]

well, if transmitters are a thing, then there's no point on what Ive said above

[past wind]

if they can implement it, sure

[untold ingot]

Travel between maps is super important

[past wind]

not with dinos

or 300 slots of stuff

[untold ingot]

Without dinos you can't raid off server. Without raiding off server you will always end up with an uncontested alpha that rolls over everyone

[past wind]

also, Ive said before, Id rather have a massive map, not needing to travel between smaller maps

[untold ingot]

It should be more difficult, but it shouldn't be impossible

[past wind]

Not if you don't need to travel between maps

If it's just one big map

for the whole Arat

[untold ingot]

That would be tough to make

[past wind]

The map will be massive, according to Steam

the question is: How massive

[untold ingot]

Well, they called gen2 massive lol

[past wind]

But gen 2 was an spaceship

now you have a massive planet

I don't know, you could be right

but I have a feeling they will release at least some portions of Arat regions day one

[untold ingot]

I want it to be massive, but I don't see it being possible to have 200k people on one map

[past wind]

not 200k no

but like 10k

Atlas was supposed to have 10k people playing around the grids

with UE5 they can do it

let's say ark 2 can keep half of the Ark 1 players and they will need 3 Arat servers

[untold ingot]

Making loads of ocean is easier than loads of terrain

[past wind]

make it procedurally

Not every region needs to be handmade

jungles are just jungles, deserts are deserts

they just need to pick some spots and improve them by hand

[untold ingot]

I mean, that could work.

And that would make the map massive like I want. Bit how would you have single player then?

That would be some huuuuuuge save files

Some games work with procedural generation, but I am not convinced that ark is there yet

[past wind]

Atlas made smaller maps, like the blackwood

[past wind]

Atlas was basicaly procedural and it doesn't look bad at all

[untold ingot]

It's all mostly ocean...

[past wind]

But there are like 400 islands, mostly procedural

[untold ingot]

Hey aren't the level of detail that you usually find in ark though

[past wind]

Someone said the Ark 1 dev kit hints Arat as being a moon with a huge archipelago system

[untold ingot]

Like I thi k it could happen. But it'll be hard, and save files will be huge I think

[past wind]

procedural maps don't have huge files

because they just repeat assets

I mean, why would we need handmade terrain when we will just put everything down to build our bases

What I would do: huge procedural landmass, then I would pick some areas to improve them by hand, like the ship crash site, a volcano, an ancient pyramid etc

Atlas did that like 4 years ago, using UE4 and a smaller group of developers

Ark 2 has allocated a lot more resources

[untold ingot]

There is a distinct possibility that I don't k ow enough about procedural generation and am sort of clueless as to how it works lol

[past wind]

I don't know if you played ark since the begining, but ark had official servers with procedural maps

they were nice

Of course handmade maps look better. But I'm not sure you need to handcraft every inch of a desert, or a savannah

I mean in a couple of months everywhere will be populated by ugly metal boxes

[untold ingot]

Well, it still should look nice lol

I would be down with procedurally generated maps if they had gen2 quality terrain and were really really big

[hasty nebula]

Will Ark 2 get a playstation release? Also is there a set date yet when it'll actually be released?

[untold ingot]

There is no set date, and the speculation is that there will be a ps release, but they haven't confirmed that yet

[hasty nebula]

Ok Thank you, hopefully it gets confirmed all I've been seeing from research is Xbox or PC. I don't play on either and I've liked playing Ark 1 but from what I've been hearing there's been some changes with events due to putting more time or focus I suppose on Ark 2.

Would definitely like the opportunity to play it on playstation if there's a release for it.

[untold ingot]

I'm sure 5here will be, they just haven't announced it yet

[grim kestrel]

It confirmed a timed exclusive to release Win10/Xbox and Steam first, I assume epic is by default with steam but don't quote me there. We just don't know how long the length of the timed exclusive

[untold ingot]

I haven't seen anything regarding epic. But steam and epic versions are basically the same. So if one then probably the other

[past wind]

Maybe it’s related to Epics approach for early-access titles.

[untold ingot]

Could be

[verbal wind]

~~take a drink every time someone asks if there's a release date yet ~~

[hasty nebula]

Lol

[grim kestrel]

I would imagine epic would release with steam cause otherwise everyone on epic would be massively behind and handicapped

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they are on epic they already are 😅😅😅

[grim kestrel]

I'm not gonna disagree because I have a passionate hate for anything epic games