ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

anyway

my arguement is that bosses should drop parts to make more advanced weapons and armor and all that

but actual blueprints should be gained by world events, or possibly if the devs were feeling especially lazy, by interacting with santiago and having him teach you stuff

a combination of these could feel pretty good too

[blissful perch]

It would be nice

Then again, if everything is only viable if made of boss parts, there goes the creativity of component crafting

[mortal kestrel]

which is why i think boss parts should be more of an enhancement rather than making up the whole thing

they should change how something would otherwise function

[thin torrent]

does ark 2 have turrets?

[mint swan]

of course it does

[thin torrent]

tek turrets?

[blissful perch]

I’m definitely down for carving though

[mint swan]

why wouldn't we be allowed to make tek/heavy death walls

[blissful perch]

I should be seeking more specifically than “anything with a body has meat”

[thin torrent]

tek turrets are in the game???

[blissful perch]

Beyond tek tier not being in ark 2 ofc

[thin torrent]

^

i thought that it was more prim

[mint swan]

nah

[thin torrent]

tek killed ark 1

[blissful perch]

It is. There is no tek tier

[thin torrent]

why is he saying there is

[blissful perch]

I’ll let you decide

[thin torrent]

im gay

[mint swan]

I didn't need to know that

[mortal kestrel]

like say we have some alien dragon boss thing

its scales would make an excellent outer layer of armor while also keeping it flexible, and are also resistant to whatever its elemental attack might be, so you have a defense augment for light armor, and a potential defense against an elemental attack

the boss might drop a gland that it uses to fire its elemental attack, so now you also have elemental attacks added to your weapons

the dragons hide could be extremely flexible, which would increase your dinos speed with its saddle, or maybe it could be used to even reinforce base parts

in general, lots of cool ideas can be done with boss drops without having them completely dominate the crafting system, somewhat like enchanting with minecraft

[blissful perch]

Plausible for sure, but people may hate that said components are lost quickly to durability/equipment degrading

[mortal kestrel]

this isnt even true because arkI isnt dead 😂

but I do agree tek could be balanced a lot better

[blissful perch]

Might be better if they did a component based research system for different weapons/crafting blueprints and boss drops were key to that system

[mortal kestrel]

thats a balance issue though rather than a problem with the components themselves

[blissful perch]

The components serving as a limited use item = bad imo

Bosses should be rare climactic moments of gameplay rather than routine grind for needed mats

[past wind]

I think they are going this way

[mortal kestrel]

I personally would rather not have a wear or tear system, that or have it be rather basic similar to valheims or monster hunters, where all you have to do is maintain the weapon with a crafting station of sorts

or more perferrably, just sharpen it every once in awhile and use sharpness in lieu of durability

[mortal kestrel]

I 1000% agree

[blissful perch]

The sharpness system is kinda sauced

[past wind]

Maybe that’s the kind of complexity they don’t want

It might please some, but others will hate it

Just a design choice

[mortal kestrel]

you mean like first person not being in the game?

[blissful perch]

Like the ark 1 dura system is at all easy to interpret?

[past wind]

Yeah, just my point

[blissful perch]

And good luck figuring out the armor amounts vs how much damage they block

[wintry urchin]

I'd say it's as simple as they could make it

[past wind]

They will chose what they think it’s best

[mortal kestrel]

exactly

[blissful perch]

1 hit = 1 dura is the most simple, but that’s not how it works

[mortal kestrel]

besides, the sharpness system isnt even that complicated

you hit, sharpness bar go down

sharpness go down too much then weapon no longer hit as hard, so sharpen it to keep it hitting harder

[blissful perch]

Sharpness is stupidly easy to grasp as a concept, and it’s a great way to manage infinite use melee weapons with no formal durability

[mortal kestrel]

exactly

[harsh spear]

skilling hp shouldnt decrease fall dmg & movement speed should be locked on all creatures in cluding humans ( not skillable )

[blissful perch]

Hp scaling increases fall damage in ark 1

[mortal kestrel]

and I do think weapons should be infinite use

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 fall damage is partly percentage based from my experience

[past wind]

It is just another way to name durability 😂

[harsh spear]

ok youre right but what i mean is that there is a cap on max fall damage so if you outhealth that cap you can survive any fall dmg and run away

[mortal kestrel]

does it?

the max fall damage any survivor can take is just below 420 regardless of hp

[mortal kestrel]

see my previous statement

[blissful perch]

One requires material cost, one requires a lull in combat. Not the same

[mortal kestrel]

on tames, yes

tames can only take 60% of their hp as fall damage max

[mortal kestrel]

I'd rather a lull in combat tbh

grinding materials to upkeep the weapon that I've perfected is annoying

[wintry urchin]

If anyone is taking fall damage on tames they need help

[mortal kestrel]

and it will be extremely annoying in arkII with crafting being component based

[past wind]

Yeah, but that’s a design choice. They have chosen to focus on other aspects. Having multiple types of durability adds complexity

[blissful perch]

You also can’t carry the mats around on long journeys

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

[blissful perch]

It’s just one. Sharpness instead of traditional “X uses until broken”

[past wind]

Because you would have to work on one for armor, another for melee weapons, another for ranged weapons etc

[harsh spear]

actually im not sure. is fall damage percantage-based on players? i think increasing hp does decrease fall damage.

[past wind]

👆

[blissful perch]

You’d have no sharpness for ranged weapons or any durability

Only ammo

[mortal kestrel]

^

[past wind]

That’s not good IMO

[mortal kestrel]

like I said

the absolute minimum hp a survivor needs to survive fall damage from any height possible in ark is 420 exactly

[blissful perch]

Because why? You simply tweak ammo costs and carrying to feel fair

[past wind]

I like the idea of everything having a limit to be used

[blissful perch]

I think it’s really lame

[harsh spear]

yea and i think 470 to not have broken bones from full health or something like that

[past wind]

That’s fair.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[blissful perch]

It mandates constant material grinding if you use anything of value and a base to store and protect said materials

I want to go out and survive rather than be tethered to a base of operations that just holds my repair mats

[winged dome]

-Slaps roof of Platform Saddle-

[blissful perch]

I’m guessing realistically for ark 2 sharpness and sharpening will HAVE a mat cost anyway. I just suspect it can be standard rather than some of the silly needs of certain weapons and armor (IE pay for grindstones rather than specifically repairing each piece of equipment)

[past wind]

But not needing resources seems too easy IMO

[mortal kestrel]

arkII looks like it will have a heavy emphasis on travel, with both component based crafting encouraging you to get different materials

and also making parkour a core feature of the game

having a material based durability system on gear will severely limit how far one can travel, and I personally see that as a bad thing for arkII

sure it aint bad in arkI, but we can also cross maps in like 5 seconds anyways with the brain dead flier system

[past wind]

That seems better

[harsh spear]

what i hate about pvp the most is the insane speeds players can reach by running away. it eleminates any casual form of pvp because the weaker one will most often run away and often suceed doing so.

[split dove]

don't forget the gremlin player models

[mortal kestrel]

instead of a mat cost, I think degradation of your sharpening stone would be a better compromise

this could also mean we could have more advanced sharpening stones too, potentially ones that can apply stuff like poison coatings or even polishing the blade so it doesnt dull as quickly

[past wind]

Everybody as Vindiago: ✅ or ❌

[mortal kestrel]

I mean thats already confirmed to not be the case

[split dove]

model height yes, same model no

[past wind]

Im joking…

[mortal kestrel]

I want to see speed in arkII be momentum based

if you want to go fast, you have to get really good at building and maintaining the momentum to do so

[past wind]

But someone raised this issue: the sizes and shapes matter on pvp

[mortal kestrel]

this could allow for fancy jumps via swinging, and potentially wall running

[harsh spear]

what does building have to do with movement speed?

[mortal kestrel]

I would really love a momentum based wall running system

I mean hell we can already climb up everywhere, so it would just make free running more satisfying

[mortal kestrel]

building momentum*

momentum is the key factor to being fast

thats like asking what gravity has to do with falling

[mortal kestrel]

I want a scythe just so I can be edgy

and a coffee plant so I can feed my caffeine addiction in game and in real life 😔

[winged dome]

Best I can do is sickle

[mortal kestrel]

its a start

scythes come from sickles initially anyway

[harsh spear]

well momentum indeed would be a nice thing to have. but you cant allow players to infinetly skill movement. i wouldnt allow it at all to be skilled. It doesnt make sense if you see someone outrun any wild creature. and it makes pvp more balanced if everything is locked on speed

another issue is bombarding

[mortal kestrel]

maintaining momentum should 100% be skill based what?

the biggest problem with arkIs speed is that the player can randomly press a button be faster than flash

I do agree there should be a soft lock on max momentum a player can have, that is affected by them running up or down hill, their armor "weight", and the quality of their shoes

but momentum should be able to be superficially increasable by swinging from stuff and even landing smoothly from a fall or slide

[harsh spear]

the fact that you can outrun wild creatures by putting some stats into movement speed also eliminates any early difficulties and makes taming a lot creatures useless. noone tames a saber or direwolve anymore. or raptors. cuz u just dont need them if you can use a weapon and have the same speed with stats.

[split dove]

movement speed leveling already makes the current pve dino threat even smaller when you also add the current ai into the equation

[covert tapir]

by the time you find a direwolf you are you dont even need it anymore

[past wind]

Do you play on an official server? My question is because on officials you will usually need to tame those weaker tames because progression is slower.

[covert tapir]

nice english dude xd

[bold juniper]

Allosaurus go bet

Brrrrr

[covert tapir]

ist it confirmed?

[past wind]

For boosted servers, most creatures are useless indeed

[bold juniper]

Allos get better on boosted servers

[covert tapir]

one of the weapons has an allosaurus skull

[harsh spear]

on gen 2 you are literally better than 80% of creatures just by yourself. And no, those tames would not be skipped if you couldnt skill movement speed.

[past wind]

Not better than rexes. And you can take a rex after a few minutes on a 10x server

[harsh spear]

i remember old ark days where raptors were a real threat due to limited movement speed.

[past wind]

Gen 2 is just a playground

[bold juniper]

Three Allos beat three rexes

[covert tapir]

even on non boosted xp servers you just grind through the early levles way to easy

[bold juniper]

Then everyone complained when they got pounced

[harsh spear]

na the pouncing was way way later

[past wind]

Sure, but taming is harder

[harsh spear]

im talking the real old days

[past wind]

Also collecting stuff is harder

[covert tapir]

when did anyone ever tame a turtle because there was nothing else they could ride

[bold juniper]

Turtle is good for raids

Early game canon fodder

[harsh spear]

but people didnt follow a meta. noone skilled movement back then.

[past wind]

Well, some tames are useless today, but in the past you would tame them. I think the kibbles for stegos used carbos eggs

[bold juniper]

Car is are still used

[past wind]

Nowadays their only use it to tame tusos

Or tank on pvp

[covert tapir]

praying that every creature is useful 🤞

[mighty lion]

Sleeping turtles are the best lunar soakers

[bold juniper]

Megashlong

[harsh spear]

ok good for you i guess

[mighty lion]

No, carbys soak way more

[bold juniper]

But they’re ko weakened

[mighty lion]

You mean cryo sick? No they are not

[covert tapir]

well im not a pvp typ of guy, normal ark stressed me out enough i couldnt handle fighting people aswell

[bold juniper]

Then how’d you get them there

[mighty lion]

You cryo sick them, wait for the timer and then cryo them sleeping

[bold juniper]

Ohhhhhhh

[past wind]

Maybe their new pvp will attract more people

[bold juniper]

Ok forgot bout that mechanic

[past wind]

Also, the new pve forces seem interesting

[covert tapir]

though idk how your gonna dodge my shotgun in a soul like playstyle ( if there is something as advanced as shotguns)

[mighty lion]

Yeah I'm interested in the new pve forces. Especially if the are hiding in the trees

[bold juniper]

Probably not

At most I see a musket with mid accuracy

[split dove]

even if guns are inevitable, they should be projectile based, not hitscan

[past wind]

We will need to wait for a gameplay

[harsh spear]

i agree it would be better . however ark has massive issues validating hits from projectiles.

also hackers/cheaters use hitscan to their advantage

however hitscan does work way cleaner

also less stuff that game has to check for cuz hitscan is literally a raycast while projectiles are moving hitboxes where the position has to be checked every frame whether it hits another hitbox.

[tropic crag]

I mean, it's not like hitboxes and projectile based guns have worked in various other games for decades or something...

[south lance]

doesnt do enough

[tropic crag]

Ark has terrible projectile detection and hitboxes. That's something they have to improve upon no matter what, or the game will die/suffer

It's pretty standard in most of the rest of the industry

[south lance]

cant imagine ark2 doesnt have way better hitreg

[tropic crag]

I can, because it has to

[south lance]

trolled

[tropic crag]

Oh wait

You editor 😒

[south lance]

[tropic crag]

Lol

[twilit light]

How many gb will it take

Up

[prisma pike]

250

[split dove]

299,99 to be exact

[south lance]

all the space in your heart

(ark2 is overbearing)

[ripe cedar]

Every copy of ark 2 will be personalized to take up about 99% of your hard drive leaving room only for basic stuff like search engine steam and discord and your os

[past wind]

9,99GB

[lone igloo]

1 tb

[covert tapir]

probably lower than ark 1 basegame

cause the coding sucked?

[ripe cedar]

why should that matter

most of the space is textures and models

[split dove]

optimization, coding and all basicly sucked as it was their first big project, and they weren't as experienced as they are now

[covert tapir]

idk how coding works i just thought about tha

also i just realized the atari santiago is fighintg is wearing a sabertooth skull

that confirms them?

[ripe cedar]

i remember people saying that when the trailer came out

[winged dome]

Not if they're all dead 😂

[covert tapir]

true xd

[ripe cedar]

I would say probably, but also nothing is confirmed for sure

[split dove]

i just want that allo skull club one of the aratai was using in the first teaser

[harsh spear]

ark should do a mode that is like the isle where u would play the dinosaur

[ripe cedar]

why\

[winged dome]

Wasn't that teased, but flopped?

[covert tapir]

oh yeah cant wait

[ripe cedar]

well maybe if ark 2 actually has a decently in depth wild dino ai so that there is actually stuff to do because in ark 1, dinos literally dont do anything, they either kill things or get killed

[split dove]

it was a april fools joke at best, iirc it was posted on april fools as well lol

[covert tapir]

so we have ptera brachio dodo raptor rex anky and stego ( possibly allo and saber if they havent been scraped)

[ripe cedar]

anyway not the point of normal ark, makes more sense for a mod

[covert tapir]

well its confirmed creatures have different sense based ai or smth like that

[winged dome]

Play as a dino seems kinda boring to me 🤷

[ripe cedar]

it wasnt posted on april fools, it was just them overestimating what they were going to do with ark

[harsh spear]

"gungame" u start as compy and every kill gets you one stage higher like compy-dilo-raptor-carno etc. might be funny battle royal xD

[royal wasp]

Boring

[blissful perch]

It was never made and thus never flopped

[blissful perch]

Negative. It was a direction ark was considering alongside procedural arks and SE

[blissful perch]

It’s ultimately an entirely new game. Some folks love the isle and path of titans but it’s really not “ark” anymore lol

[lavish rain]

Imagine PGARK extinction

Hell, it could of happened

[split dove]

it has been a while since it was brought up, forgive me for misremembering

[blissful perch]

No crime, just a gentle correction 😛

[split dove]

doesn't help that youtube vids only say x years ago, and not the exact date it was posted as well 😅

[blissful perch]

I’d have loved to play an eco-ark crossover game at some point

[mighty lion]

So what do you guys want to see in a gameplay trailer?

[winged dome]

Combat, skill tree, building in action

Exploration and movement options are probably a given

[blissful perch]

Movement combat and resources

Specifically resources gained from a kill…do we get bones, special creature specific drops, or just meat and hide

[covert tapir]

do we farm creatures like in ark 1 or are they actually corpes we have to harvest not just left click

[blissful perch]

It’s good to know but I’m skeptical we’ll see much detail on that in the trailer (the actual harvesting mechanics)

[mighty lion]

Those are great,I'm looking forward to those too, I'd add creature skills/interactions, more details on the aratai, a bp system overview

[blissful perch]

I doubt we’ll get all that

[covert tapir]

i wanna see leftover element corrupting the atari

[blissful perch]

I think the OG ark 1 trailer was a beach Bob with a spear

[mighty lion]

True

[covert tapir]

no actually i dont i think

not sure

oh yeah i wanna see atari raiding us

like them doing there little crusades on us

their*

[split dove]

let element not be the orchestrator behind everything for once 😅
I'd rather the Aratai try to fight us off their planet as we're basicly colonising it, and not have element controlling them

[covert tapir]

not controlling them in that sense but like

[blissful perch]

I know I don’t want to see much or anything of the overall plot in the trailer

I want the trailer to be mechanics rather than spoiler based. Show me a couple fundamental changes to how ark will be played in ark 2

[covert tapir]

you cant tell me hlna crashed the ship onto the moon then most of the stuff fell on arat anyway and there is no sign of element or corruption

[blissful perch]

But the trailer’s length matters a TON here

If it’s 1-2 minutes I’m gonna have totally different expectations from a 5 minute reveal

[mighty lion]

Whatever length, probably gonna watch it 10 times

[covert tapir]

i highly doubt it will exceed 2 minutes

[winged dome]

My guess is the gameplay reveal is going to be hefty. The devs want to share their game, it's been worked on for years at this point, so there should be plenty to show

[covert tapir]

maybe if theres a little sequence after the screen turns black at the end it will be longer

[tropic crag]

There could've even been a goofy in-lore explanation, like the survivor just got put in the wrong body or something. I've always been a fan of the play as a dino idea, but not the execution 😂

[split dove]

overseer saw us murdering otters, and decided to do a little punishing

[blissful perch]

Depends a lot on the venue it’s showed for

[winged dome]

Play as a dino, but you're a Dodo running from Bob. Also, it's a horror game now

[blissful perch]

Yea tho to be clear eco is the game where you and a bunch of people work together to protect earth from a meteor while not killing the ecosystem

[winged dome]

Not to be confused with Ecco, where you play as a dolphin to save wildlife from alien invasion

[blissful perch]

It would have been super cool if for example extinction was a coop PvE experience where every creature that died died permanently and could only be restored through captive breed and release (or wild breeding)

So the early game would be a race to protect wildlife and then people would have to carefully harvest creatures and tech up before finally taking on the king titan and saving the world

[mighty lion]

That would be a cool game mode

[blissful perch]

It would be cool if enforcers and the like were sort of a safety net for keeping corrupted creatures at bay for a short time before they went extinct and then defense had to be maintained by players

[covert tapir]

so a tower defense ?

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure I’d call it that, since you could just let corrupted creatures flood into every dome and the tek city

But obviously if you wanted more land or more space to allow for wild creatures to survive you’d need to beat back the corrupted creatures

[winged dome]

I do like the idea of permanent extinctions, but maybe just on Apocalypse servers where wipes reset dead species

That could be a pretty fun game mode

[blissful perch]

The servers would probably wipe X time after the king titan is slain

[mighty lion]

Wonder if they will show the effect earth creatures are having on the aratai environment

[blissful perch]

What’s weird so far is we haven’t really seen any alien habitat or flora

[winged dome]

Environment does seem pretty earth-like

Other than leaf lizard, I don't really remember any crazy looking trees/plants

[mighty lion]

Yeah, besides the vines everything look pretty normal

[blissful perch]

Vines ofc also earth native lol

[mighty lion]

Yeah, but I'm talking about how they hold up rocks and pathways naturally

[blissful perch]

Yea the terrain looks alien for sure in some spots

But the flora and fauna for now doesn’t look all that alien imo

[mighty lion]

I've been thinking they are saving that for the hype once it's ready

[blissful perch]

Understandable for sure, but it is a bit sad we can’t speculate on it

[mighty lion]

True

[tropic crag]

Convergent evolution is a thing, lol

Maybe the Arat flora just looks like ferns, etc.

[covert tapir]

we saw the chameleon

but thats all fauna we have seen

and ofc everything was flying into the sky somehiw

like the flora went crazy

[stray elm]

We also don't know much about how evolution on other planets would work, since Earth is kind of the only reference sheet that we know of that has life.
Shit like plants and trees could be very similar to carcinization, but in a universal scale.

[covert tapir]

we dont even know how long they have been on arat since ark 1

[tropic crag]

Apologies, meant flora obviously lol

[stray elm]

I believe they stated somewhere roughly 4-ish years?
Unconfirmed of course, cause I can't back that up since I forgor the source. But 'IF' that is correct, that's enough time for the rapidly evolving flora/fauna to adapt to the new planet.

[blissful perch]

Convergent evolution of earth biology is very hard pressed to explain alien life looking similar to earth life

[stray elm]

Again, carcinization but for other stuff.

[blissful perch]

If you mean “everything becomes a crab” that’s specific to earth arthropods, not even all earth animals

[stray elm]

Yep.
I know....and?
We haven't seen any other native life other then the plant lizard, and Aratai's, and while yes it's a bit odd to have a very humanoid species on an alien planet. If it has natural versions of their own jungles and such, then it isn't unlikely that a species adapted to use trees to their advantage like we did.
As for plants, we have no reference other then our own planet. So a 'big tall plant that branches out with funny green bushes' could easily be the plant version of carcinization, but on a universal scale.

[mint swan]

[blissful perch]

Except humans evolved because jungles were dying and being replaced by grassland

[untold ingot]

I am not super duper familiar with that theory. What are the basics of it?

[blissful perch]

Things like green chloroplasts all came from one ancestor in earth plants…I’m just saying it’s not wildly scientifically plausible that an alien jungle is gonna look 1:1 like an earth one in terms of flora

[south lance]

stuff look similar cause similar environmental pressures

[blissful perch]

“Different species occupy similar ecological niches and adapt in similar ways in response to similar selective pressures”

[south lance]

i mean green chloroplasts are more or less optimal for surface life right

[blissful perch]

On our planet yes (mostly)

[south lance]

considering the lighting of arat its probably similar

[untold ingot]

Hmm. Well, from a naive standpoint that doesn't seem like a good theory lol. Plants especially evolve more following mathematical proportions than environmental factors.

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly not, it'd have its own uniqueness to it. Even if it's the most minute thing.
Again, personally what I think is the most likely thing is that the flora and fauna's of the ship survived, and the rapid evolution is possibly tied to their genes themselves, and so they rapidly adapted to the new planet.

[south lance]

i gave the simplest tldr i possibly could

[untold ingot]

Since math doesn't change on other planets, I would almost expect to find similarish plant life

Animals of course would likely be totally different

[south lance]

though to argue the point, if the mathematical proportion tends to be the most efficient for getting that plant to flower and spawn then thats what itll mimic

[blissful perch]

Although I believe the Arat star is a bit more blue? It’s hard to say though I’ll concede

Flowering plants entirely depend on animal life to evolve tho, so THAT is extremely unlikely to carry to alien planets

[untold ingot]

Of course, this all comes from a person who studied physics and noticed that leaves and pinecones are mathematically proportional lol

[untold ingot]

Well, some types of flowers yes

[south lance]

tends to happen that you can do simple dimension reduction in your head and figure out what to most efficiently approximate the huge number of factors that affect a plant evolving this and that way, so it appears as if theres something algorithmic going on

[blissful perch]

Flowering plants period. Some deviated from the initial blueprint and lost the required animal relationship, but the initial dawn of flowers was in response to animal facilitated pollinating

[south lance]

do i sound sophist enough

[south lance]

idk i havent noticed it

[untold ingot]

But since animals evolve in large factor to the plant life around, and flowers using animal propagation is one of the most efficient methods of plant reproduction, there are likely to be pollinators in the animal kingdom

[south lance]

plus the lighting in game will mimic earth just because its convenient

so arat is earthlike purely for the ease of it all

[blissful perch]

I mean the net point is that it’s hard as hell to design a truely alien biosphere, and is much easier to make a weird looking earth based one

[south lance]

inb4 europa is identical to cambrian earth

[untold ingot]

Hmm, no there actually is algorithmic things that can be used to predict things like plant life shape

[south lance]

minus photosynthesis

[blissful perch]

You say that, but it took almost what? 450 million years to get from plants to flowers? I’d say it’s not a certainty

[untold ingot]

I mean, the ship did travel light years looking for a similar to earth planet

[untold ingot]

I don't know details so I'll concede that point

[south lance]

yes, we can approximate these things, but its not like theres a real algorithm guiding plants to mimic and conform to these conditions like you could say of some machine learning program

actually no

[untold ingot]

However, we do know that the plants use a similar photosynthesis to earth that produces oxygen, because we don't suffocate immediately on landing lol

[untold ingot]

There actually is lol

[south lance]

what dna?

we describe plants doing this and that

[untold ingot]

I don't k ow if plants have DNA lol

[south lance]

?

[untold ingot]

I don't k ow much about plants

[stray elm]

They do.

[south lance]

oh

basically plants have dna as do fungi and all eukaryotes

[untold ingot]

But they do follow algorithms same a human biology does to make the most efficient lifeform for the condition

[stray elm]

They're a living entity

[stray elm]

Roughly anything living has DNA on our planet.

[blissful perch]

All life on earth uses DNA

[south lance]

the algo isnt nearly definable to the point where its as algorithmic as a trillion air molecules diffusing to maximize entropy

[untold ingot]

I haven't taken biology since high school, and there I basically ignored it because math and space was more interesting lol.

[blissful perch]

Well, unless you want to count the dubious viruses, some of which use RNA

[stray elm]

That's what I thought, but I added the 'roughly' just in case I was wrong

[stray elm]

Aren't virus just factually aren't alive?
I thought that was bacteria that was the alive ones.

[south lance]

i thought there were some bacteria that operate with RNA but im not sure if this is just something completely different that i misread

[untold ingot]

This is true. We can't quite yet recreate the algorithms that they use, but we can clearly note thst they use one, and make similarish ones

[blissful perch]

Bacteria are earth’s earliest life

[stray elm]

Yep

[south lance]

ye i basically mean that we look at this behavior and use ideal models to approximate them to the best of our abilities

[blissful perch]

Viruses are dubious because they can’t self replicate and don’t conduct any living functions but reproduction, so it’s hotly contested what they are

[south lance]

cause we are really good at simplifying things

[tropic crag]

Dubious little creeeeatures, getting up to mischief

[blissful perch]

Bacteria -> DNA. Ofc almost all life uses RNA but it’s not how they replicate their genetics

[tropic crag]

This
is no good

[south lance]

aight good i just misread

[untold ingot]

Well, I would hope so, because trying to use a computer to model some basic stuff in science could take millions of years conventionally lol

[south lance]

ya

[blissful perch]

Now math is valuable for explaining the world, but what’s so interesting about biology is that the reason for why a model works is sometimes the product of circumstance

[untold ingot]

However, with machine learning aided protein folding studies it could significantly advance that type of study

[south lance]

biology doesnt give us biotech because it doesnt like simplification (the entire field of physics)

[blissful perch]

Plants may mostly grow with X model because that’s what the first plant did and that model was conserved over evolutionary time. In theory model Y would have worked just as well, but changing from X to Y was never evolutionary viable

[south lance]

(and cs but cs actually is capable of this)

[untold ingot]

Hmm, any advancement of cs is actually and advancement of physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, etc. We can't make accurate models of life because cs actually is not capable of it (yet)

It is possible that quantum computing could bridge that gap, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that

[south lance]

i dont really know what qc is supposed to do tbh

just some fast algorithms for processing large numbers

[untold ingot]

It makes computers go brrrr

[south lance]

thats all i heard so far

tho ig half of computing is calculating large numbers

[untold ingot]

Well, it can't solve anything that conventional computers can't, but it is like a million times faster than the fastest (in theory)

[south lance]

i just know of the prime factorization thing for encryption

[untold ingot]

The interesting thing is that there are already models for computation that run waaaay faster and can actually solve more lol

[untold ingot]

That's a big thing for bank accounts and privacy, but the exciting thing about qc is its application to science

[south lance]

yeah id like the financial industry to suffer so no algo for them pls

[blissful perch]

You’d like them to not suffer in that way

A massive bank security breach harms you, not the bank

[untold ingot]

Well, the issue is that the algorithm already exists, and the tech to make qc already exists, and everyone and their dog is trying to make one lol

It's inevitable and only a matter of time

[blissful perch]

Quantum trinary functionality does seem like a massive breakthrough

[south lance]

yes but what i like is not necessarily good

[blissful perch]

0/1 will be 0/1/2 and that’s no small feat

[untold ingot]

Then again, mining an asteroid would have the same effect on finances, and that is also inevitable and only a matter of time

Hmm, binary to trinary doesn't actually give any more speed or functionality, in essence it is identical

If more complex lol

It'll be harder to teach middle school students, but it doesn't really give much breakthrough

[blissful perch]

I’m not so sure it doesn’t improve processing speed or efficiency. But my knowledge is very broad on the subject

[untold ingot]

It doesn't. It's just simpler to implement in quantum than in electric

We have the tech to make trinary based computers in electric right now.

Although for an electric based computer the shift from binary to trinary actually really hurts speed, is significantly more expensive, and give no other benefits

[nocturne raptor]

Ik when they releasing it

13/8/2027

[tropic forge]

that will be ark 2 in UE6

[mint swan]

will ark 2 be only pve cuz going of the trailer it kinda looks like it

[split dove]

no, it's still gonna be pve and pvp, just that the pve components from the game is getting some love wich also transitions over to when playing pvp

[winged dome]

I'm curious what mental gymnastics went on to get 'only PvE' from the trailer 😂

[stray elm]

The pre-rendered trailers that have nothing to do with gameplay?

No, they've confirmed there's PvP

[grim kestrel]

It going to have PvP and PvE

[mighty lion]

Wut

[untold ingot]

It would hugely disrupt the economy in basically every type of rare mineral

[grim kestrel]

That is why I prefer discord ran unofficial cluster to avoid people doing that ^

[untold ingot]

Doing what lol

[past wind]

what?

[grim kestrel]

_>

[past wind]

I think you are a bit lost...

[mighty lion]

The economic effect would be less disruptive than you might imagine unless the build a space elevator to make bringing large quantities back to earth economically viable.

In space utilization will be nice though

[untold ingot]

I mean, if would take longer, but large enough quantities could be brought back to cause issues immediately

Tbf though, I think it is necessary lol

Mining an asteroid little to no eco damage to earth, and it would help a lot of ecosystems to recover

[cunning tulip]

[mighty lion]

We are currently experiencing a resource shortage in industry, so the sooner the better.

[past wind]

You are trippin

Ark 2 channel here

[mighty lion]

Lol

[untold ingot]

Ark2 should implement asteroid mining

[past wind]

Gen 2 already has it

[cunning tulip]

that allready exists on ark 1

genisis 1

[untold ingot]

And have a system of fictitious currency that such mining would render obsolete

[past wind]

it broke the economy of the game

[mighty lion]

If there is asteroid mining in Ark 2 @blissful perch will riot

[untold ingot]

Yup, just imagine that irl lol

[mighty lion]

I would be down for meteor impacts allowing for rare resources to be harvested in game

While also wiping out what they hit

[untold ingot]

I fully expect that to happen lol

[past wind]

I thin IRL we would have more limitations, but yeah, it would be crazy until acommodation

[untold ingot]

I think some of the events will be crates from debris from the ship still falling down

[untold ingot]

You can't really put limitations in space without a space military police. Either way, earth's entire economy will get smacked lol

[grim kestrel]

I think I'd prefer something like veins and drops on extinction if that was the cause, have meteor drops but when you go near one it triggers waves of enemies to fight off before you harvest it.

[past wind]

I mean technologial limitations to mine and transport all that.

It's no like in ark we just teleport 😂

[untold ingot]

I don't like those, because they aren't really fun lol. It's just like a zombie horde game. And that genre is way overdone lol

[untold ingot]

We have the tech to do it, for the most part. We just need that tech to get assembled

[mighty lion]

Hope we have an alien spore that kill our dinos over time and can weaponize it

[grim kestrel]

You should put IMO on that not being fun, a ton of people actually do like those, it a good way to test your breeds out before you take them in boss fights

[past wind]

Well... that's the hard part 😂

[untold ingot]

True lol

[untold ingot]

My hope is that ark2 gets rid of the need for massive waves of trivial enemies in favor of a few more tough opponents

[grim kestrel]

Actually think if there gonna be a phenomenon such as a meteor strike or whatever that could give you rare resources you would otherwise need to go multiple different locations to get having it being a wave of increasingly tough enemies is a necessary balance to getting that shortcut of materials.

[untold ingot]

I don't agree with that honestly

It makes no sense to have arbitrary swarms of enemies pop up everytime a meteor falls

[mighty lion]

I want enemies it takes skill to solo

[grim kestrel]

It the same reason in general chat there was someone that agreed with me that the tek suit you get on Gen 2 should of still required element cause it WAY to easy with a free use one cause you can loot and tame on that map with no hazard to dying just cause you can zip around and hover 24/7

[mighty lion]

Other than bosses

[untold ingot]

Like I get the idea that it should be a challenge to get, but I don't think that challenge should be waves of ridiculously easy enemies like ark1. There are loads of more inventive ways to keep high value loot difficult to obtain

[grim kestrel]

It doesn't even need to be waves, it could even attract something like a titan that you have to kill before you harvest it. Just as long as it not a simple harvest and jet. Just so economy of the game stays reasonable, half of the fun for me is trading/selling/buying resources and dinos back and fourth.

[untold ingot]

I personally don't have any issue with it being a simple harvest. As long as it gives loot akin to normal surface drops.

[grim kestrel]

A cluster on unofficial I had the most fun on was the cluster owner held an auction once a week with the currency metal ingots where you could buy and sell dinos

[untold ingot]

I don't think the economy of the game should center around crates dropping though lol, especially with component based crafting

The rng of getting good gear out of a supply drop doesn't really lend itself well to the concept of skill based gameplay

I don't really think that is a necessary feature lol

Trade doesn't have to happen on pve, and I have never seen a trade deal go south on pvp

It happens, but it is rarer than you would think

Yep, it's something that should stay imo

If you are in pvp and a trade deal goes south, raid them. If in pve, just don't trade lol

I don't see how it is similar at all lol

Companies having security against cheaters is preservation of irl business and lively hood. Adding an unnecessary trade mechanic to the game does neither lol

Even if there was a mechanic like that, I feel like most people wouldn't bother to use it

It adds unnecessary complication

People already do that on discord

And they already have discords set up for that for ark2

So basically it is all about not getting scammed lol

So we are going to implement an entire system thst will put lag and extra storage necessity on all servers, so that like 1% of unofficial players don't get scammed? That doesn't seem very good imo

That's a better idea lol

It sounds like a mod thing, more than a game thing

Bruh. I am not assuming that it will create lag. I am telling you lol. That's how databases work with large data sets. And managing a player to player trade with images and stats and costs on items will be a very very large data set

We are talking that after like 2 months it would take between 10-200 minutes just to load it lol

Very inefficient

Even if everyone wanted it, it's not a very efficient thing to add lol. There is a reason most games don't make something like that

It is entirely relevant how many people want it lol. Because it takes money to make, and it takes money to keep running. If people don't use it then it was a waste of resources

[untold ingot]

But let's bring it back to how you implement it to counter this lol

Let's assume that there are 300k players in ark. (this is a very low estimate). Assume that over the course of the game each one puts 5 trades our that aren't immediately resolved. The dataset for the game with just that jumps to like 1.5 million rows of data. Since they aren't all resolved the system has to load them for everyone that opens the trade screen. That's like a 10 minute loading delay lol

And if you do it any other way, like you have to meet the person to implement the trade, then it's already way less valuable than a trading discord is

Uh, no you didn't lol.

Adding a timer to automatically delete every item after 30 seconds actually makes it way worse lol

I am pretty convinced you don't know how data works lol

To have it displayed in a way that other people can see it it has to be stored on a database. So either you limit trades to each individual server, or you need a database that every server accesses

That is very different, because the cloth hats on one server do not affect other serversol

If you made 5 million cloth hats and dropped them, believe me you would see intense server lag, and probably crashes

If you limit trades to the server you are on, then again, trading discords are already better

Reread what I said again

On a server you have a maximum of 70 people who could see it. And you definitely aren't popcorning more than 600-1000 items at a time. That puts a rough cap of rendered popcorned items to about 100k. And servers lag just from that. Now imagine that, but with 10-100 times the items, with like 100k times the players. Believe me, you cannot keep stable gameplay with that lol

That's how servers work...

So again you have to limit it per server, or per transaction. And by doing that you already make it worse than a discord, and effectively reduce the trade mechanic to scam prevention.

If you have 500k people looking in that inventory, yes it will impact everyone

Loading in a big base can cause server lag for everyone on a server lol, and this proposed trade ui, if it even comes close to beating out trading discords will be like 10000x worse

You aren't reasoning with me. I am pretty sure you just aren't really aware of how data is transfered in servers lol. I kind of do this for a living

I don't get what I said wrong there lol

[tropic crag]

[grim kestrel]

Anyways, who else was sold on Ark 2 from the founders note

[tropic crag]

Homeboy can't stand being told he doesn't understand a concept, apparently

[untold ingot]

I guess

That's twice he has done that to me lol

[tropic crag]

Sadge

The day people don't like to learn is the day the world begins to end

Or whatever the quote is 😂

[grim kestrel]

I know right, I finally just accepted I needed to set it so it hides his comment so I don't have to see it.

[untold ingot]

I mean if you don't like debating ideas this probably isn't the chat to be in lol

[tropic crag]

You mean you blocked him? Lol

[grim kestrel]

Yes.

All he ever did was shut down anyone with an idea he didn't personally like.

[untold ingot]

Lol

[tropic crag]

It's ok to admit to a misunderstanding, I think you just couldn't grasp the idea he was mentioning, which is ok

It's not like we all know everything all the time forever

Just like there's people who've never heard of Coca-Cola, or Pepsi

It's nothing to be offended by

But maybe try to look at it from a different perspective and try to understand it, you may surprise yourself

Oh same here

[untold ingot]

I am equally insufferable to everyone lol

[tropic crag]

I just agree to disagree and move on, if I don't agree to a perspective or some such

[grim kestrel]

It wasn't because of a disagreement, this is the second time that just putting out idea he just goes on about how it "shouldn't" happen instead of how it could work in a different way, don't feel like doing it a 3rd time.

[tropic crag]

That's a simple debate, no need to be offended is all I'm saying. It's not like they outright want your idea to never happen, that's not quite how it works

I don't even understand the grounds of the original conversation, I didn't have the time to read it 😅

[untold ingot]

He wanted a player to player trading ui

[tropic crag]

But if it was something like trading in-game, then it could work, but it'd be a lot of work

[untold ingot]

Yup. It's impractical on the short of it. Make it practical and it could be good, but I think it has to be limited to an unofficial mod

[tropic crag]

Rust has such a mechanic, but it's so hardcoded into the game's economy and other mechanics that it works that way by design

[untold ingot]

They don't have a transfer mechanic, so that is more doable

[tropic crag]

So idk how that'd work in Ark, with the 50 million other daily functions that happen server to server

(Which already cause errors and crashes, from time to time 😅 )

[untold ingot]

It would ddos every server

[tropic crag]

Yeah, idk about that deep of a system. But maybe a vending machine-esque structure could help in just day to day trading/offloading unneeded loot to less... I can't think of the word, but less lucky? tribes

[untold ingot]

That is more doable, but it would have to be locked to the server you are on, and just with thst makes it not viable for official

Would be a great mod. But not a game feature imo

[tropic crag]

I don't see how, you could still server hop, checking for a vending machine with what you're looking for. Or it could link to an external app of sorts, creating listings and such when uploaded there

[untold ingot]

At that point just make a discord bot

[tropic crag]

Maybe better as a mod, I'll admit, but maybe one that could be used with official, kinda like MMOs have for statistic reading mods and the like

Once a listing is created, it sends the data to the external website, discord, etc. and makes the listing and shows what server, maybe even coordinates or a link to who to dm for info about the items

Which, all in all, still sounds like a lot of work for anything even remotely officially made 😅

So yeah, mod that works with official, at the most

[untold ingot]

This could be a useful tool

[mighty lion]

Can someone give me a tldr version of the trading convo

Please

[tropic crag]

Someone wanted to implement trading on the scale of something similar to the vending machines of Rust, best I could gather. This is a secondhand TL;DR, for the record 😂

I may not have the full picture

The original posts were also deleted, so that's kinda where we're at rn, vending machines

[mighty lion]

Thank you

[tropic crag]

No problem

[untold ingot]

Yup, and they blocked me because I said that type of system isn't going to work for official lol

[grim kestrel]

Nah the original was just idea of just walking up to someone and similar of how you invite to a tribe have a button that just pulled up an 2 step inventory to put items/dino in cryos.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, peer to peer trading on a game of this caliber simply wouldn't work without an external server... thingy to access the data from, which as stated could open up routes of ddos'ing, hacking, etc.

[mighty lion]

I played a game where you had to build a trading hub in your base. There were two different types of trades: Alliance and public. You could set the trade amount and what you want back in set intervals. Limited to the server you were on and limited to 10 per player. It was a safe way to do trading, no body need to know you base location and no risk of getting scammed. Albeit it was one of those city building games

[full hamlet]

Sim city!!!!

[mighty lion]

Something like : galaxy empires.it's gone, there is a rip off version on the app store though,

[grim kestrel]

I can't send links/images yet, so I'll DM the simplicity of trading logic

[full hamlet]

HMU

@grim kestrel I wanna see

[blissful perch]

tries not to pop off about the idea of mining asteroids

[mighty lion]

A safer trading system would be nice, I've seen several instances where friends have lost hundreds of real $ in trading scams

[blissful perch]

It’s called “police/the law”

[grim kestrel]

3 of you have it

[tropic crag]

Yeah, safer trading would be nice overall, but it's kind of a part of the game to have it be up to you who to trust. Sadly kinda by design, I think

[mighty lion]

Yeah, some of the tradinging discords have " certification" systems but other than that it's a risk

[untold ingot]

I think it's a necessary design lol

[blissful perch]

Are we talking about adding the already existing MMO style trade functionality/markets to ark here? Or something else?

[tropic crag]

It opens the door to RMT, so I'd say maybe it does need to be refined 😅

[grim kestrel]

Want me to send you image of simple concept from another MMO?

@blissful perch

[blissful perch]

No I’m good, I just wanted to see what the challenge here was

[tropic crag]

Yes, more or less

[blissful perch]

I don’t see why ark can’t have MMO trading like a FF or Eve

BUT is a player driven economy like that something ark 2 is meant to promote? That’s where I become less certain

If ark is meant to be experienced in small or large scale and not exclusively as an MMO, trade infrastructure makes no sense

[mighty lion]

Trading will happen regardless, would be nice to have a mechanism for it

[blissful perch]

Absolutely

But the question is how easily can players manage it without a dedicated system

[untold ingot]

Especially one that works with such large llayerbase

The way they described it to me before doesn't work with a large dataset

[blissful perch]

I’d argue ark 1 trades are pretty easy to manage without an interface. And everything can be gathered feasibly by one player

In a game like Eve, you specialize and almost no players can gather everything they need for themselves so they MUST rely on trade

[tropic crag]

Exactly

[untold ingot]

Like a discord bot or unofficial mod is quite literally the best way to do it. Trying to force implement an entire global trading economy is a tremendous task, and really not all that valuable to ark

[tropic crag]

Not a necessary thing to implement, more a QoL one

[blissful perch]

It’s possible and imo not terribly hard or ground breaking if 2003 RuneScape could do it

[mighty lion]

The more valuable would be trading tames/ eggs

[blissful perch]

But is it WORTH IT

[tropic crag]

That is the question

[blissful perch]

Yea trading entities is iirc much more tricky

[untold ingot]

I don't know runescape, so you'll have to walk me through that

[mighty lion]

Have any of you traded over a discord?

[blissful perch]

The grand exchange is basically a cross server market of everything in the game that can be sold

[untold ingot]

How did it work

[blissful perch]

Players create up to 8 “offers” to either buy or sell a quantity of an item. They set the price and the offer either sits on the market or is completed. If you offer 1000 gold for an iron sword and the nearest seller wants 850, the grand exchange gives you the sword and 150 back

[untold ingot]

My issue with it is the huge data set that it would introduce

[blissful perch]

It’s an excellent system imo

[winged dome]

Players set buy/sell offers for common currency, server completes offers automatically and distributes currency/items

[blissful perch]

But it’s across all servers and can be checked readily by players

[winged dome]

Only really works since RuneScape is basically one big server, just split up into smaller worlds so it's not super crowded everywhere

[untold ingot]

So, 8 per playerid, multiplied by roughly 400k players. That's a huge database. And I am not convinced that it's viable

[blissful perch]

The base game is definitely way less intensive than ark lmao, won’t lie about that

[winged dome]

Most other MMOs are fragmented, so majority of players can never play with another since they're on different servers and different economies

[untold ingot]

Even if it is, the top players would dominate the ui because they can mass produce top tier dinos thst people just getting started can't compete with

[tropic crag]

Yeah, with Ark's playerbase, I don't see how that would work, let alone flawlessly

[mighty lion]

Currently there are atleast 6 Ark trading pages that I know of ( some more popular than others). People post what they want to sell or are looking for in game or out of game ( oog). B3coming a certified trader requires x amount of people to show proof of successful trades with you and it resets every so often. If no one certified has what you want, you have to take a risk. It would be nice to have a system that takes the risk/ work out it.

[blissful perch]

Yes the markets can be cornered in any such trading system

[winged dome]

I don't really see this working with Ark - all servers would need to be connected in some respect

[blissful perch]

Yes the MMO aspects would need to be intensely expanded

Unofficial and SP would be largely unviable

[tropic crag]

And that... is why we need to have cross server tribes. BOOM mic drop

/j

[blissful perch]

I mean ark could swing pure MMO and it would prolly work

I would like it less (IE wouldn’t play) but it would be attractive to many people

[tropic crag]

Still a big fan of the external app route, that we mentioned to Dollie that one time

[blissful perch]

I want to have as little extra shit open as possible when I’ve got any game open, ark included. If the game isn’t serving my needs, the game has failed

[untold ingot]

I don't fundamentally disagree with this

[mighty lion]

Would love a companion app

[tropic crag]

I'm with you there, the MMO shouldn't overtake the RPG whatsoever imo

[untold ingot]

Trading thing would work loads better on a companion app

[blissful perch]

Well my beef is either one eating up the survival game

[tropic crag]

Let's be real, the survival isn't the true core

[mighty lion]

The only downside yo a trading system is the eneviatable implementation of " resource packs"

[blissful perch]

It is to a point in the progression scheme. Then you get eggs and it spirals downhill

[tropic crag]

I have no idea what that is

[blissful perch]

I mean it would be cool as hell to raid caravans going to market don’t get me wrong. But I just don’t see that as ark

[untold ingot]

On top of the large dataset that makes it impractical to implement in the game?

[blissful perch]

I think it’s more feasible than we think if people put it into practice already. It’s insanely common in MMOs

[tropic crag]

It's really just down to execution

[blissful perch]

Well and as we said, gameplay value add. But it depends a lot on WC’s definition of what ark 2 is about

[mighty lion]

In the other games I've played it's a preset pack of resources available to be purchased in real money. Typically ridiculously priced. Similar to the hexagon store

[untold ingot]

Arks would be more complex than most other mmos

[blissful perch]

Depends on what could be sold

Anyway, I do feel like ark 2 is moving more survival and less MMORPG

[untold ingot]

It's design is significantly different

[blissful perch]

The emphasis on senses, environmental traversal, etc all indicate to me that the emphasis is moving away from stats and towards mechanics gameplay

[untold ingot]

Like yes there can be systems in place, but for that to work the queries are usually region locked or something similar, so you don't see the global economy

One of arks best features is not being region locked

[blissful perch]

“Best”

[tropic crag]

Oh, like repair kits in Fallout 76 or something? Yeah, that's not so much a rule as it is just a poor monetization choice. Several (good) MMOs don't do this very much if at all, and even then it's just buff foods you could make yourself (typically)

[mighty lion]

Yeah the good make it unreasonable to need to buy them because you can just easily get them yourself

[tropic crag]

That would do wonders for the game, if official was region locked again 🙏

No more Shi Hai promoting RMT or some stupid shit

Or hive tribes

[blissful perch]

I mean ping alone means region lock is good

[untold ingot]

Hmm, all of my ark friends are in other regions, so I don't think region lock is good

[tropic crag]

Then make your own server, where the region lock isn't in place

Problem solved

[mighty lion]

Yeah gotta have a few Aussies and Brits in your tribe

[tropic crag]

I hate the "always online" part of PvP, so gross

[blissful perch]

Region lock would certainly change using time zones to sub for 24/7 on time. Instead, no lifers would be a premium

[tropic crag]

(An external app would help with this btw)

[mighty lion]

Tribe log alert would for sure

[tropic crag]

I think an app that showed tribe log and alerts if you're being raided would be great

(For PvP)

[mighty lion]

Yeah, I wonder how much an app like that would cost to implement

[tropic crag]

And make it customizable, so you can have it only alert you if your turrets or equivalent kill an enemy player or dino, etc, and not just aratai or wilds

[mighty lion]

I know bluestone talked alot about it before he became victim to the Thanos snap

[tropic crag]

Miss him

[mighty lion]

Yeah custamizeable alerts would be great.

If we had a trade hut, would the trades fulfilled be available to raid os the question

[untold ingot]

I mean no offline raiding would also work lol

But it would require some superbly active admin lol

[mighty lion]

That would take alittle of the appeal out of official for me tbh

[untold ingot]

Yup, for sure

[tropic crag]

We already know how much the official PvPers would hate that 🤣

[untold ingot]

It like orp works for unofficials

[mighty lion]

The feeling of success for a long lasting base is nice

[sonic elbow]

#fanart-and-screenshots

Rex models revealed

There is indeed Tek Scrap armor

[untold ingot]

Where on Twitter did you get that

[sonic elbow]

@conceptlabsxyz

[grim kestrel]

So not from Ark official page

[untold ingot]

Nice

[sonic elbow]

Image got axed

:troII:

You nerds better have saved it

[mighty lion]

Damn, now I'm curious

[split dove]

or just visit that tweet, imo if it's in the game it's probably gonna work like the new component based crafting as it's over the existing ark 2 rex saddle model

i can already see people going ''Tek is confirmed guys'' bc of a model render with some tekish metal spikes on the already shown rex saddle model. legit just ''existing saddle but with spikey metal additions on top of it''

[mighty lion]

The tek rex plating on the second model looks dope

Wonder what the flag is for

[sonic elbow]

Tek Scrap is absolutely lit

[tropic crag]

[split dove]

it'd be weird if that version would act like a tek saddle, i guess it might give better armour and be part of the component based crafting if it also includes saddles

[mighty lion]

Him saying "recent 3d work" concerns me lol

[split dove]

you need the reference image Bruising?

[tropic crag]

Sure, bet it's fake though

[sonic elbow]

Nah, it wouldn't function obviously. It's like Santiago's tools, just something made with Tek scrap.

[mighty lion]

Yeah doesnt look like it's a tek saddle, just component pieces

[sonic elbow]

Tek Scrap

So either this is the 'Tek' Tier or Metal Tier.

I think it's the 'Tek Tier',, probably?

[mighty lion]

I wonder if wildcard is upset

[sonic elbow]

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter, I have the images.

Checkmate, Wildcard.

[grim kestrel]

[sonic elbow]

Though there is always the chance they have it the green light.

[tropic crag]

Yeaaaaaaaah, that's fake as hell LMAO

[sonic elbow]

We'll see.

Anyways back to my wacky Tek Scrap

[untold ingot]

I mean either they are really good at recreating stuff from trailers or its legit lol. It looks rightish

[mighty lion]

Yeah it looks really good

[tropic crag]

Somebody more than likely just remade the saddle and put metal on it, that looks fake as can be imo

[untold ingot]

Like the first one is exactly the same as the trailer, and it looks well made.

[sonic elbow]

Yeah. Either some random account took hours to make it absolutely one-to-one, every single little pixel, IN ADDITION to a Tek Scrap version in multiple stages, with names, before TAGGING the official ARK Twitter Account, OR it's not fake (my choice) and they just posted it.

[mighty lion]

What image are you looking at?

The one I'm seeing is a really good render

3 I'm seeing**

[tropic crag]

Supposedly a "leaked" rex saddle, probably the same as you

[sonic elbow]

Yeah, the quality is very good.

[mighty lion]

Is it from that twitter page?

[sonic elbow]

Did you send him the link, Flobs

[untold ingot]

Even if it isn't legit, I give it a 10/10 for quality

[mighty lion]

@conceptlabsxyz

[sonic elbow]

If it's fake, which I give a 1/10 chance, they did INSANELY good.

[split dove]

i sent him both images used, the third image was just a uncoloured version of the first

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, looks nice, but doubt the authenticity 100%

[sonic elbow]

Should've sent that one too.

[untold ingot]

The appearance of actual armor on the tame is a definite plus imo

[sonic elbow]

Mhm mhm.

[mighty lion]

Hope there are more, though wouldnt be surprised if it's in the crunch tomorrow

[sonic elbow]

If a dev likes it, I'll consider it real.

[untold ingot]

Did a dev like it?

[ripe cedar]

true, I wonder if all teasers will be dinos starting out or if they will tease other aspects of the game as well leading up to gameplay

[sonic elbow]

I've been refreshing it.

[untold ingot]

I can't see likes because 8 don't have Twitter

[sonic elbow]

It's only been out for like, an hour.

Ill give it some time.

[ripe cedar]

not as far as I can see

I don't know they would

violates nda why would they like it

[sonic elbow]

I don't think it does.

[ripe cedar]

but also isn't the craziest thing ever since we have been saying scrap tek since forever

[untold ingot]

Someone is either going to be in trouble, or they leaked it early lol

[mighty lion]

NDA with vendors is always a tricky thing

[ripe cedar]

majority of players will most likely never see it and still have it revealed at the intended time

[kind moon]

UpFromTheDepths shared the armors in his discord and he quote RT it, so I doubt its a leak or fake

[split dove]

Yh let's believe something wildcard hasn't commented on themselves. It ain't official or confirmed untill then

[kind moon]

I mean, he's a WC employee so..

[untold ingot]

Is he?

[kind moon]

Yea, can't remember the date but I'm pretty sure he filmed the new Switch trailers for ARK

[sonic elbow]

Holy fuck it's real

It's actually real

It got wiped, WC took it down

[untold ingot]

Hmm. I know the guy, but I didn't know that he was an employee

[sonic elbow]

And the fact it was removed from #fanart-and-screenshots

YEAH

[untold ingot]

Lol, really?

[sonic elbow]

Had to have been them

Or y'know the guy realizing he fucked up

Absolutely hyped

[untold ingot]

Congrats, you got the devs on his case lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[sonic elbow]

I still got the images I still got the images

[untold ingot]

That might mean we see it tomorrow and he just jumped the gun lol

[sonic elbow]

Maybe maybe

[kind moon]

Yea that's what I'm thinking too

[sonic elbow]

But if we don't
They just unintentionally leaked it

We'll see tomorrow

[kind moon]

Original tweet is dead

[sonic elbow]

Yup kekeke

It's gotta be the real deal

They got jumped on by WC methinks

My stuff was deleted from #fanart-and-screenshots too, so something tells me...

[split dove]

Could be part of the "tidbits" they would share alongside concept art leading up to the gameplay

[sonic elbow]

I tagged Raasclark with pictures, let's see if he picks up.

The new Community Manager is one of my 3 Followers on Twitter

What a first impression

[kind moon]

Oh yea, Ced said there was a new CM right

[sonic elbow]

And and and
Another person who works with the modeler gave it a quote retweet

It's also wiped

It's actually fucking real

Kekeke

[split dove]

Some leaks that aren't from Jeremy or Jesse lol

[ripe cedar]

I mean its probably pretty hard to not talk about something you are working on every day

[split dove]

We already know they want to, but cant

[kind moon]

I don't think I could do it

[ripe cedar]

I mean its, there choice right, just they really want to wait until they can show more polished gameplay before revealing a lot more

[kind moon]

With WC's reputation for glitch/bugs, yea they probably want to polish the best they can before showing anything

[untold ingot]

Give me a game studio without a reputation for glitches and bugs though lol

[kind moon]

I didn't see any bugs/glitch when playing any Monster Hunter titles

[sonic elbow]

Then you weren't playing a Monster Hunter title

[kind moon]

What did you see? Cause apart of the wacky AI when changing zones, I didn't see much in my 5k hours

I remember the pure horror of MHW and MHR when they released on PC

But again that's about it

[winged dome]

This

[kind moon]

What did y'all see I'm curious haha

[sonic elbow]

Mfw after glitching into the Glip Glop Monster as I smack it's head around with my Beetle Staff for the eighteenth hour in a row

Mfw the Monster walks RIGHT OVER my fucking trap and doesn't get stunned in MHW

[kind moon]

Those traps are not are your hunters side i swear lol

[sonic elbow]

On God

[kind moon]

Y'all hype for the direct on the 1st?

I'm really trying to think of any bugs I have encountered, maybe I'm just really lucky

[winged dome]

I've had a few monsters just up and walk out of hunts

[kind moon]

Like main target monsters?

[winged dome]

Yeah

[kind moon]

Damn, that's personnal lol

[winged dome]

And a Radobaan stuck rolling in place, that was hilarious

[kind moon]

Honestly for the better

Already hated Uragaan so when they showed Radobaan I already knew my fate

[untold ingot]

I personally feel like bugs are more vocal in multi-player games, but I doubt there are many sp games without loads of bugs too

[kind moon]

Oh yea, there's never going to be a bug-free game

And I imagine since the ARK community is huge, well obivously you're gonna hear more about bugs than smaller community

But y'know, not a lot of studios that would let a big bug like ini, unfixed for 7 years

You can go in the dev kit and find a lot of issues too

[tropic crag]

That's because it wasn't really a bug, in their eyes, because none of the players reported on it as such

[kind moon]

That's true

[tropic crag]

Was initially praised "as a feature"

[kind moon]

Better late than never

[tropic crag]

Yeah, glad it's gone

[kind moon]

I heard there was like a thing you could do to 'bypass' it, don't know how accurate that is

Hopefully it gets nuked too

I don't know how you can play for so long with some of these ini settings and not go insane btw

[astral token]

BuT mY iNi BoOsTs FpS

These fcking ppl bruh

[tropic crag]

As did I, but the video was very nondescript, and didn't even show footage the ini working on official servers, let alone with a timestamp 😂

[astral token]

I played on an HDD, 8 GB RAM and no GPU

And I could get 60 fps on low

Who tf are you kidding?

[kind moon]

Reading these comments/messages defending ini was trully a painful experience

[tropic crag]

There's something to be said for the people who can't run the game without these settings, and it goes as follows:

git gud

[astral token]

Some of these ppl got like 1660ti and 1650s 😂

[kind moon]

It's not like its WC issue if your PC can't run the game, thats on you

[astral token]

That’s not even a valid argument bcoz if I can run it, anybody can run it on 60+ fps

[untold ingot]

Well, there is some truth to be said about wildcard needing to optimise structures and turrets etc.

But not enough to justify ini

[kind moon]

Oh yea 100%

UE5 is probably going to help a bit

[untold ingot]

That is my hope

[kind moon]

It's probably going to break all the mods in the process

I think Zen said that best case senario, the modders will only need to recook their mod, but a lot of modders don't update them anymore so its going to be a sad goodbye

I'm curious, if you had one creature to bring back in ARK 2 what would it be?

[tropic crag]

Reapers, probably

[fallow niche]

Bees

[kind moon]

Reapers would be so scary in UE5 with that lighting haha
Those glowy soulpiercing eyes

[fallow niche]

Actually though I'd love to see a new argent variant, or a flyer similar

[kind moon]

Hopefully bees gets a bit more love in ARK 2, cause in ark 1, they can't even walk, and you can only tame the queens

Harpagornis could be cool, it's pretty similar to the argent, big vultures thing

In ARK 1 the bees can't level I don't think

I'm making a mod and I was remapping bees and I remember that they couldn't get XP or level up, and the queens have the ant color set instead of the bee one

I would like kentros to return personally, I don't know why but they are so cute haha
Maybe its their sounds or cuddle animations, but if they do return I really hope they'd be rideable

[astral token]

Thylas or Sabers

[kind moon]

I would assume saber would come back, it was one of the release creatures and it's an iconic prehistoric animal

[astral token]

Thylas then

[rancid harness]

Ferox 😉

They've evolved into a middle ground between their two forms, more lithe and long, and while they can't be ridden, act as a companion that helps you scout, harvest, and fight.

[scarlet onyx]

Yo what’s the release date for ark2 on ps4??

[mighty lion]

Other than anky, a magmasaur for sure

[stray elm]

It doesn't have one

[scarlet onyx]

E

[mighty lion]

Aleast a year after xbox

[wanton pike]

The dinopethicus for sure! I believe it’ll be more fitting in ark 2, because ark 2 will be primarily primitive. I also imagine they could make the dinopethicus an even more mobile tame, since they’re going to introduce free running mechanics in to the game.

[verbal wind]

most of what I want would be bound to stay. but I want my Sinomacrops

[tropic crag]

More like at least never, hopefully. PS4 is last gen, 'member?

[mighty lion]

Didnt catch that, you're right

[wanton pike]

In the first trailer you can see archaeopteryx flying away from the T. rex, I reckon they will make a return. Perhaps they will be quite similar to the Sinomacrops

[mortal siren]

Guys

Idk if it has been told before

But a model of a Tek Saddle for the T Rex in Ark 2 got leaked

So Ark 2 will have Tek, yay !

though it will be very different than Ark 1's Tek because Ark 2 got a souls fight system

[tropic forge]

dude just stop watching clickbait youtubes pls

[sonic elbow]

It's not blockbait dummkopf.

[tropic forge]

already said and will say again, to exist a "leak" wc had to be hacked by someone that post stuff on the web ence the "leak"

[mortal siren]

It has been posted by accident by 3D Modellers that worked with WC on twitter

Tweet got removed though

Generally leaks comes from the devs themselves, not hacks

[tropic forge]

devs under contract dont dare to post "leak" cause it will cost them money and possibly the job too but go aheadbelieve it

[mortal siren]

Well that is what happened, if you don't want to believe it that's up to you

[tropic crag]

A leak doesn't always come as the result of a hack, lmao

It's silly to think that's the only way things could be leaked and I hope you look into the topic more

[split dove]

i had a gtx 1050 and even i never had to use ini lmao

[wanton pike]

Stop the cap 🧢

[split dove]

it was just a 3d model render from the existing ark 2 rex model with the saddle having had metal spikes put on it, also weird it was deleted. could be a tidbit about gameplay they got out to early

[fiery oracle]

Remnants of tek were shown in the trailer maybe it was a mini boss or something

[elfin pumice]

So it wasnt tek, just metal spikes?

[fiery oracle]

Could you post an image

[elfin pumice]

We cant post images here

[split dove]

at most tek scraps added on the saddle, so like component based crafting on saddles maybe as well

[fiery oracle]

Dm it to me pls

[sonic elbow]

Nope. It's a Saddle.

Santiago's tools also use 'Tek Scrap', so I'm gonna assume we have a Tek Scrap tier in ARK 2.

[split dove]

just a upgraded rex saddle with scrap on it

[sonic elbow]

Yup, that's it.

[split dove]

so my point for component based saddles also stands

[sonic elbow]

Notice the more refined look, even in the leather bindings. It's primitive, but has quality.

So it's technically still primitive

[fiery oracle]

Sounds like a hell of an improvement over outright tek

[sonic elbow]

:wctroll:

[fiery oracle]

Using salvaged tek sounds cool without being excessive

[sonic elbow]

Yeah, it obviously won't like, shoot lasers or anything.

Not this time around.

[fiery oracle]

Yeah what do you think it could do maybe just more armour?

[split dove]

more likely

[sonic elbow]

I think it'll just be armor. Maybe it'll have some buff, or something added, but we have no clue.

It could be an ARK 2 Tekgram, for all we know.

We have no idea.

[fiery oracle]

Sounds like a tiered armour system over the current blueprint system

Id be OK with that

[elfin pumice]

Hopefuly we can only use tek scarps to make primitive tools ald not to make andvance tek tools/weapons/armour

[fiery oracle]

The game is already excruciatingly rng so

[kind moon]

Maybe armors will have different armor values and skills like monster hunter

[sonic elbow]

Well it's obviously advanced, but it's not gonna function.

[fiery oracle]

It may also just be a skin

[sonic elbow]

It's not like an ARK 1 Tek Saddle, I'd reckon.

[sonic elbow]

I highly doubt that.

[fiery oracle]

Why?

[sonic elbow]

Isn't it obvious

[fiery oracle]

No actually why would you doubt it

Skins are in ark 1

[sonic elbow]

There is zero reason for it to be a skin 💀
They were showing off actual armor, they aren't throwing in a skin

[fiery oracle]

Skins that make dinos look like tek

[sonic elbow]

Especially considering there is already Tek Scrap tools in ARK 2

[fiery oracle]

Maybe that's why they took it down its not impossible

[sonic elbow]

It's a tier of its own

[sonic elbow]

No, it's not. They took it down because they weren't supposed to show it off.

Someone did a whoopsie

[fiery oracle]

How can we be sure

[sonic elbow]

It's obvious ¿?¿?

Common sense

[fiery oracle]

No you can't just say that when you dont have an answer lol

[kind moon]

On the steam page, it says that the items that you'll craft will change appearance and stuff depending on the resouces will take, so maybe that's it?

[sonic elbow]

Nor can you?

[split dove]

we already know component based crafting for weapons is a thing, could also be for armour and saddles

[sonic elbow]

Maybe, maybe

[kind moon]

It would make sense right? If you use Hide to get a Leather Rex Armor, if you use metal scraps/tek scraps you get the metal saddle and they all got their own stats

[sonic elbow]

BUT how far will it extend
Tools and Weapons? Saddles? Buildings? Armor?

[kind moon]

On the steam page, in the Component-Based Crafting section paragraph thing, they talk about tools and weapons, so I don't think it includes structures

[blissful perch]

Tek scrap has been discussed here a lot so it’s a valid possible tier imo

Ofc that image could be of any stage of development. It may just be a playtest model to look at a feature and see if it’s worth adding

Lotta assets are probably being tested as discarded when a game this big is being made

[kind moon]

Even for ARK 1 there's a huge amount of unused assets so maybe

[split dove]

sad hive creature noises

[kind moon]

I think in the Modding Discord they even talked about an entire stucture tier? I'll try and find them once my kit is loaded

[thick moat]

what image?🧐

ohh

where is dat

[kind moon]

The original tweet is gone but I can send the images in DM if you want

[thick moat]

flobs already sent it to me

[kind moon]

Alright

[kind moon]

If anyone cares, I found it, it's called Shale and its the GEN2 folders

[thick moat]

i think that was an old concept that was gonna be on gen2 which decayed as time passed

[kind moon]

Very old, cause most don't even have unique models, just re-used stone / reinforced for gates and doors

[sonic elbow]

It's not. They explicitly said it was work on ARK 2.

And yknow, it's on the ARK 2 Rex

And the post also shows the ARK 2 primitive armor on another

[thick moat]

we are not talking about that though

[sonic elbow]

Oh fr?

What I miss then

[thick moat]

it was a old structure they were gonna do

on gen2

[sonic elbow]

Shale looked so cool

[thick moat]

ye

was it that it decayed overtime or am I wrong?

[sonic elbow]

Yeah Iremember, it would regrow over time
But it had memory issues, so they couldnt fit it in

[thick moat]

oh right

it was the other way around the way i said it didnt make sense haha

im really interested on this days community crunch

[sonic elbow]

If they show off the ARK 2 Rex then I'll assume either:

A: Accidentally shown early
B: Wasn't meant to be shown

And if they don't:
100% wasn't meant to be shown

[thick moat]

fr if they deleted it's real

[blissful perch]

But real doesn’t mean we’ll see it

Since again, it could be a dead tier like shale

[thick moat]

yes ik

[thick moat]

btw idk if u saw but the latest concepts have "monthly" on their name

so I think it's probably something to do with ark1 more than ark2

[split dove]

could just be that concept arts are monthly with tidbit info in between

[thick moat]

i hope

wait nvm

it's on all the images of the crunch

even on the old ones

well that's debunked

HEY that means today we may have some food!

[past wind]

Expect nothing, appreciate everything

[worldly garden]

Why is everyone so excited about the Rex model leak? Like what does it show us that we haven't seen in the trailer?

[sonic elbow]

Tek Armor :troII:

[worldly garden]

Oh on the saddle.

[sonic elbow]

It's Tek Scrap, so it won't function like in ARK 1, but it's Tek nevertheless.

What a joyous day to be an ARK fan.

[rancid harness]

Element played too big a part of ark 1 not to show up in ark 2 imo

But to what capacity we shall see

[sonic elbow]

Why wouldn't it? It's the driving force of the ENTIRE story.

[desert swallow]

when was this rex model leaked?

[sonic elbow]

Last night.

[desert swallow]

how does one find it?

[worldly garden]

Probably just for looks. I think they said there won't be usable tek.

[sonic elbow]

Nope, look at Santiago's tools.

They're also Tek Scrap.

So ot won't like, shoot lasers or anything.

[thick moat]

maybe some type of special resistance

[tropic forge]

well last pics were on saturday but yeh not guarantee

[rancid harness]

So hyped for Ark2

[thick moat]

community crunches come out very late friday

at midnight here on eu

[ripe cedar]

I mean if ced is at the wa office then that is like 4 pm so not that late for them lol

[tropic forge]

was 2am for me i think so you might be right

[split dove]

ah yes, the 3 am crunches

[thick moat]

yeah same

[rancid harness]

What time does the cc drop?

[tropic forge]

its like 7 hours timezone difference from me to them

[thick moat]

it fluctuates a lot, it's usually at 2-3am here on EU

[past wind]

Anyone who printed, please forward to the brahs

[split dove]

☕

[rancid harness]

Same