ark-2

[tropic crag]

They changed it within the 13 minutes between my last message and the one I'm replying to, because it was literally just on top earlier lol

[worldly garden]

👀

[elfin pumice]

I hope they secretly have 1000+ workers and are funded by elon musk or something cause else idk how theyre gonna deliver everything they announced

[tropic crag]

Traitor! * flips lightning baton *

[cold locust]

For those who aren’t familiar with nanite, it would be theoretically possible to render the entire map all at once and keep it rendered for the duration of your session.

[elfin pumice]

With an average pc?

[cold locust]

Well I’m just talking specifically to the capabilities of the engine itself. UE4 was able to render around 2 million polygons per frame and UE 5 has been tested up to 64 billion

[elfin pumice]

And just the terrain or buildings, caves, trees, creatures, etc too?

[mint sleet]

wow

[cold locust]

It would include everything that they have adjusted to work with nanite

On the UE5 matrix demo, the entire city, every car and pedestrians were all rendered. Imagine your viewing distance.

[elfin pumice]

Thats very nice

[elfin pumice]

Wow

[cold locust]

It would make base rendering much nicer

[tropic forge]

and thats what is worrying me a bit if building will be like ark1 plus dinos

[cold locust]

It wouldn’t be something to worry about.

[mint sleet]

i fear that ark 2 will be centered around story and less around survival

i enjoy taming my dinos and building bases

[tropic crag]

It's still a survival sandbox, don't worry

But they aren't adding any new survival mechanics, they've said

Which I doubt

[thick moat]

So depends on wildcard if they make it so you can see every player made structure from wherever you want? would that be possible with nanite? Or is it just the map itself

[cold locust]

Every polygon

[mint swan]

guys , we need an ark2 building sharing discord server... they said of a feature that we can have schematics or blueprints memorized by the game and that we can share them with others...

[astral token]

Is this the time to think about that? When the future of the game hangs in jeopardy?

[mint swan]

i am imagining it will be something like the Ylands game base blueprint system , you can place a whole base down then you get a temporary box to throw in all the resources needed and it gradually builds as you throw resources in it

[tropic crag]

It's sounding more like Grounded/The Forest, from the wording on the Steam page

[mint swan]

but be very fun for it to work some kind of like s+ pulling too from dinos or smth , makes mass base building easier

[tropic crag]

Where there's a hologram of what you want to build, and you build it all piece by piece by putting mats in the build

[worldly garden]

The future doesn't hang in jeopardy. The people that think that or say it will flop are looking at it purely from an ARK perspective.

[mint swan]

tbh untill we see what they made , it sounds like everything... lol
we have 0 gameplay , only some clips that have nothing to do with gameplay
basically rn we only have a small idea how good the textures are , how detailed and cool dinos and their saddles will look , and the enemy humans , the looks give me a lot of far cry primal vibes especially the enemy humans

[mint swan]

yep thats what it is , you place down the hologram , i hope its adjustable and have good systems because u never will find flat ground , so if the terrain you put into isnt flat , maybe they will suggest some pillars to support the base structure , or if ur building has pillars , then add or subscract them based on what the terrain is like

in ylands u can legit modify the ground , dig or put back the dirt/mud/stone/sand so the building can be very big in there cus u can always modify the ground

if they dont make a system to automatically add more pillars or subscract etc then probably all well be able to place down is a 2x2 hut or 3x3 maybe , rest it gonna be like "Is Obstructed" like in ARK1 lol

[blissful perch]

No voxel features in ark 2 pls

[unborn galleon]

Am pretty sure blueprints eill be able to be downloaded and uploaded at will. 😆😆😂i see a lot of people making $ out of this option

[mint swan]

they legit just added the option to make money from players off your blueprints in Ylands in the latest update 😂😂😂

[bold juniper]

[wanton pike]

Snailgames were talking about adding nft’s in to ark. Imagine them implementing limited nft-skins 😂

[fair pasture]

Iirc wildcard shut that down quickly

[bold juniper]

I mean as is people make money selling bases tamed and boss fights

[past wind]

Right?! They even sell spots on the maps. Don’t see why people go mad about nfts.

[bold juniper]

I disagree with both I’m just saying to some degree its impossible to avoid in a survival game

The only difference is I can just make my own and therefor spending money is only laziness

[fast isle]

In 2 years they’ll release a pay to win map which gives you exclusive tek items and a Dino that kills everything in one hit

You can also do one mission and get all the items in the game

Wild card p2w 🥶

[fallow niche]

Or there won't be p2w

[zinc lintel]

On the ark 2 issue, I have two major questions, 1. How complex will the combat system be? Because I heard way more intensive than current, and 2. Will there be Tek in the ark 2, though canonical impossible

[stray elm]

A: If you read the store page, it'll have souls-like combat
B: They've confirmed 'usable' tek isn't going to return (at least for the base-game) but tek as a whole will stay for story purposes.
Sooooo "though canonical impossible" my ass.

[zinc lintel]

Element as a substance was destroyed during the separation phase and back on earth. If I remember the lore properly.

[stray elm]

Genesis-2

Genesis-2 confirms that Element is all around the galaxy.

With it being able to harvest random planets that happen to have Element crystals on them

The end of Extinction only got rid of the infestation on Earth.

And it doesn't help that structures like the ship have traces of Element in them to be created.

And we saw that the terminal in the ARK-2 trailer was still on, which to our current knowledge only runs on Element

[fast isle]

I stand corrected

[past wind]

I know Jesse already stated nft is a No No for them. But nft is different from pay to win.

[tropic forge]

how can be a dlc pay to win? ppl see so wrong the definition of p2w

i have play games thats p2w and dint had dlc for sure

[past wind]

I would say scorched earth, for the pvp officials, was partially p2w

The transfers were one way only and rock elementals and wyverns were too Op

Tribes on SE had an advantage

[untold totem]

stealing cryos and trades exists

[stray elm]

Yeah, at that point it was defiantly p2w.
But they've made DLC creatures more accessible.

[stray elm]

Mazzy....
'Extinction didn't exist at the time'

[untold totem]

ah

[past wind]

Also the tribes from scorched were able to transfer they stuff to attack, while tribes on other maps couldn’t

[untold totem]

wait would that mean unclaim/reclaim doesnt exist at that time?

[stray elm]

It does. But why would you give away something like a wyvern to someone you don't know?

[past wind]

It did

[untold totem]

people team you know

[stray elm]

And?

[past wind]

Believe me, it was p2w back then

The advantage was huge

[fair pasture]

So somone in ur team had to pay to get an advantage compared to other teams...

[untold totem]

ally with the ones who have them then boom

[fair pasture]

its p2w per definition. even tho every member didnt need to p2w...

[past wind]

But the other DLCs weren’t so unbalanced like SE was on release

[stray elm]

Have you ever played PvP?
People don't fucking willy nilly ally with anyone. You gotta know them first.
And that's 'if' they don't decide you're a threat, or just kill you for shits and giggles.

[tropic forge]

let me tell you how p2w works, is something you pay to get better than the rest and you have to keep buying to always be on top, dlc aside from story ( dint make much sense as a continue lore at the begin) but still had it plus ppl always complain about it when they dont wanna buy the dlc's even on ark but tell me have you see anyone complain about the free maps that come whit dinos from pay dlc???

[untold totem]

yep

[past wind]

He/she/it would be blue bombed really fast 😂

[stray elm]

He?

[past wind]

“Let me make an alliance with this friendly fellow”

Back to the topic, they need cash flow. I think cosmetics are better than op Dinos exclusive to the new DLCs.

[tropic forge]

if ark 2 is good they dont need extra cash flow

[past wind]

In that case, limiting to cosmetics or stuff you can get playing the game, I don’t think NFTs would harm the balance.

[past wind]

They will. 8 years updating a game and keeping its network isn’t cheap

[stray elm]

That's not always the case.

[tropic forge]

what happen whit SE was the mess jeremy did when he start making ark

they need it more $$$ at that time

[past wind]

Unless you think it won’t last as many years as the first Ark

[untold totem]

but it does harm the gaming experience when ARK 2 became an RMT sim

[past wind]

It already is 😂

And we are fine

People will sell their stuff. Even if it’s against TOS and COC

[tropic forge]

you can always fight RMT's if you have better enforcer's checking whats going on and not the copy/paste ark 1 had, thats what im hopping they improve by 1000%

[stray elm]

Aberration, Extinction, Genesis 1-2 where all made after the lawsuit.
Money flow does start to slow down, even with popular games.

[untold totem]

ye but it's illigal and it not in connection to gameplay anyways

only those who do RMT get clowned on when players use their listing as potential raid spots

[past wind]

also unnofficial servers with their own shops are well balanced (not of all them of course)

[stray elm]

Hard to improve when the owner of their parent company actively participates in RMT.

[tropic forge]

i was refering to dinos being too op and being wyverns since that call a lot of attention was something diferente

[stray elm]

Ah, my bad

[past wind]

Unfortunately that’s not the reality. On pvp it’s pretty common and well accepted

[untold totem]

this is why ARK Poc style should be the new official PVP

[tropic forge]

yeh i think when they unlock chinese ip to going to the rest of the servers it was by his command cause ark when to crap after that

[stray elm]

Yep, most likely

[past wind]

Well. If op dlcs, monthly payments to play online and nfts are not acceptable, I’m curious to know what you guys think they can do to keep the money flow

[tropic forge]

gotta say p2p gets more ppl on board whit the "fresh content, better servers bla bla bla) but im old fashion, i pay for a game and thats it, i still cant go around and pay for a game + subs to play a game which adds more cost to the game but i have see the benefits of subs but also the scams if a company is to steal from the players

[past wind]

TBF it’s pretty standard on the industry nowadays. And it’s not always bad. They need the Cashflow one way or another. People will always complain

[tropic forge]

guess youre good whit what blizzard did whit diablo immortal than

[stray elm]

Don't you DARE encourage RMT.
There's many, many, many fucking better ways in gaining cashflow then encouraging what fucking Blizzard is doing.

[past wind]

I’m not. I’m just saying they will need to monetize their franchise in a way.

Maybe the OP DLCs are the best way for Ark

[tropic forge]

easy make good game and dlc's

[past wind]

Yeah, DLCs are an option I’ve put above

[tropic forge]

thats how it use to be a way

[stray elm]

I would much rather have unbalanced DLC's then fucking RMT

[past wind]

But I know people that complain DLCs are P2W

I would be fine with both

The only way I don’t like is P2P

[untold totem]

i rather have content rich DLCs than NFT, and limited time skin shops

plus DLCs are getting cheaper during sales

[past wind]

Skins are NFTs

That’s what I’m talking about. Not things that would totally unbalance the game

[untold totem]

NFTs (according to come crypto nerd) should be backed in the block chain and shi)

plus you can lose skins by delete survivor/server wipe

not sure why you are defending the trash

[past wind]

Nah, in that case I’m against NFTs, but would be cool with an in-game shop.

[untold totem]

that is what NFT means

[zinc lintel]

Speaking of unbalanced, you sparked on old memory of the tiered rocket launchers... the grand idea of ascendant rockets, lol

[past wind]

I don’t know how exclusive skins would unbalance the game. Or buying tames with specific colors.

My only goal here is to fund the game

I don’t care if it will be DLCs or In-game shops

[untold totem]

DLCs have proven successful without the need of MTX and NFTs

[zinc lintel]

Exclusive skins are only a problem if they give some form of advantage... EG: the og Roze skin or that esports skin they forcibly greyed

[wanton pike]

I’d love buyable cosmetics for the game though, even tradeable ones.

[past wind]

So be it. Like I’ve said above I’m cool with that solution for Ark 2.

[past wind]

Im talking about no advantages, just cosmetics. And the ark community loves cosmetics.

[tropic forge]

never care about cosmetics so never bother me if ppl pay for them but thats how it starts today cosmetics tomorrow cosmetics whit power next month exclusive dino for limited time and so on

[zinc lintel]

You're right that it is a slippery slope...

[past wind]

That’s my point. Another way to fund their game and wouldn’t unbalance things

[wanton pike]

Nah, just like in rocket league how all those cosmetics don’t affect your gameplay. That’s how it should be like.

[zinc lintel]

But you never know how a certain visual could affect gameplay.

[past wind]

In that case, you should just remove all characters customization 😂

[wanton pike]

That’s what I thought Yh lol

[tropic forge]

i get that but just remember employees of wc actually threat to quit when snail games try to put nft's on ark1 now if you ask to put on ark 2 it will be consumers + owner forcing wc to put nft's on the game, carefull whta you whis for

[past wind]

I mean, on pvp everybody creates a female dwarf character to have advantage.

[zinc lintel]

There is a difference tho between a free customization interface or a paid skin that does something that a nonpaying player couldn't get

[wanton pike]

Just buyable cosmetics not nft. Besides, it’ll be a good income for wildcard which they potentially could invest in to personal and creating more for the game.

[zinc lintel]

Like a skin that gives a character a smaller appearance or a unique color/pattern that makes them blend

[past wind]

Like Mazzy said above, NFTs need to be backed by cryptos or Chi. A simple skin wouldn’t be nft

Also Ark 1 tested skins that were sold through the console stores, the tek Dinos skins

And it wasn’t the end of the world

[tropic forge]

you dont get it, problem aint wc but snail games, i dont know how the money si distribute between wc and snail games but if you pay for skin's that aint good for the future

[jaunty fable]

NFT skins in ARK would be a hilariously bad idea in PvP 😂 offline raided and you've lost actual money. Want it back? Pay double the amount 😂

[zinc lintel]

The bionic skins were also neon shiny beacons

[wanton pike]

Yep, I really think they were already experimenting with that. I can see them make a ingame currency that you can buy and use to pay for ingame cosmetics

[past wind]

I would be totally fine with it

[wanton pike]

I could totally see that work tbh and I wouldn’t mind as long as it will be purely for cosmetics without influencing the gameplay

[past wind]

Sure. Cosmetics only, like I’ve said above

[wanton pike]

Well, tell me why it couldn’t work. Also I said that it should be payable cosmetics and not nft’s

[tropic forge]

plus why this conversation about making extra cash for ark2? they aint complaining they dont have funds they are actually offering more working spots, its like ppl want to spend more money to complain later

[tropic forge]

cause snail games, make a search for them them you see why

[past wind]

Because ROI

[wanton pike]

If people complain about the things they have bought themselves than they are playing dumb lol

[tropic forge]

cause what? what is ROI?

[past wind]

They have to get their money back eventually

That’s an investment. We are just thinking ways to keep Ark 2 alive for another 8 years

[wanton pike]

Yes exactly

[tropic forge]

damn how ark1 did 8 years whitout making nft's or selling cosmetics?

[wanton pike]

It’s so ark will make a income on the long term

[past wind]

They’ve sold DLCs

[tropic forge]

see you answer your problem so why stir the wasp nest?

[jaunty fable]

ARK don't even sell merch 👀 If they wanted to earn extra money they've got that entire untapped market.

[wanton pike]

They do sell merch right

[jaunty fable]

Barely

[wanton pike]

Those plushies etc

[jaunty fable]

I remember the 3D printed dinos in your own colors and poses. They just stopped doing that for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[wanton pike]

Only reason I know is because they always showcase their merch during the extra life events

[past wind]

Im just expanding the possibilities. Did you think that could be a way out from snail games?

[tropic forge]

plus dollie already confirm no nft's or p2w so this all conversation is just crap for the birds

[past wind]

They needed snail games because of money. With more income they can go on their own

[wanton pike]

@tropic forge what’s the problem with snail games making money though?

[past wind]

Skins sold on in-game shops aren’t NFT

[tropic forge]

you cleary dont know who snail games is do you

[split dove]

only missing the noglin plushy to complete the trio

[past wind]

Selling merchandise is another way to fund the franchise

[wanton pike]

Honestly, i can really see them make a mad amount of money if they sell cosmetics overtime. Maybe even with a sponsor like Amazon or twitch. Just like they did with New World. That game is dead but they have sold a crazy amount of cosmetics and gained a lot of prime subscriptions from it

[untold totem]

if Pokemon does it why not ARK?

[split dove]

Help me Bob, they're gonna turn me into a marketable plush ...... no noooooo

[wanton pike]

Lol nice man

[wanton pike]

I do. But they’re bounded by contract, and they have invested in wildcards projects. So whether you like the company or not, it’s not a surprise that they probably get some of the %

Either way, something that generates more money, will inevitably be good for wildcard.

[mint swan]

says a lot when monetization was through the roof but the game sucked so bad it died...

I rather WC focus on game rather than how to make money... Money comes with a successful franchise.

Would be sad to see Ark with 100+ DLCs because they add some stupid skins to all the dinos.

[wanton pike]

Yh a lot of people quit due to the game being bad and to repetitive. Yet they still made a lot of money with the cosmetics cash grab lol. Now imagine that with a longer lasting game like ark(atleast that’s what I am expecting lol)

[wanton pike]

You will always have different groups work on different parts of the game, being specialized on that specific area. They can easily hire people for the purpose of creating cosmetics only.

[jaunty fable]

An absurd amount of DLC would be silly. Have you seen the train simulator DLC list? 👀

[untold ingot]

The only dlc ark2 has should be maps or map extensions imo

I am convinced that the only reason games make cosmetic dlc is because they ran out of good ideas to make their game better

[tropic forge]

that and getting more money

[mint swan]

I'm sure WC has both Xbox and SnailGames breathing down their back for monetizing Ark. Hopefully they stick with current suite of maps as DLC, but ultimately it's down to whatever agreements they have to make for funding/production.

[untold ingot]

Money that they can get from a new map etc

[wanton pike]

It’s a investment for the long run too. If you have a gameplay that gets dlcs to fast, it’ll likely create inbalance in the game too. Just like in ark 1 imo

Although the ones for ark 1 didn’t really release to quick lol

[tropic forge]

ark dlc's too fast damn you must be talking about another game 🤣

[untold ingot]

The imbalance in ark1 is the player added levels on dinos lol, not the dlc per se

I really don't want to see microtransactions in ark2.

[tropic forge]

seems some ppl here want, they must be diablo immortal players

[wanton pike]

I corrected myself lol the unbalance they brought with the new dlcs was what I meant

[mint swan]

don't know how to phrase it specifically, but the paid DLC content is pretty imba.

[untold ingot]

I mean, if you play without the new dinos then yeah. But you don't even need the dlc to play with those, and it only matters in pvp. So overall I wouldn't call it unbalanced

[tropic forge]

if there was no transfers there wouldt be unbalance but them ppl would cry all day how expensive element was and old maps would be forgotten cause ppl wanted more plus easy element

[mint swan]

I would assume xbox and PS might as they already have microtransactions in Ark 1.

Hopefully PC stays sterile

[tropic forge]

ppl that start from ea of ark1 sough the diference of what the dlc's brought to the table and wasent that unbalance at least until gen cause skiff now that was more op than a giga but it really depends if you play pve or pvp and official or unofficial

[untold ingot]

I would like to see a system thst allows for more character permanence while not having unbounded item transfering

[wanton pike]

I feel like I could get in to a loophole of debating with you 😂 I’ll pass if you don’t mind.

[tropic forge]

i would like a system where i dont loose my character when a server crash after a transfer 🤣 otherwise gotta do like ark1 a new alt for every server i play

[untold ingot]

Yeah, to make that work the character files shouldn't be saved on any particular server, but on some main hub that keeps them

I have lost so many super high level characters to transfer bugs

[tropic forge]

cloud system think its better

[untold ingot]

What I said is a cloud system lol

[tropic forge]

yeh im not into that stuff 🤣

[past wind]

And that's how you create new duping metas, kids

[untold ingot]

Using a cloud for transfers does not imply duping will be possible lol

[jaunty fable]

life finds a way

[past wind]

No, but you create new ways to do it. I remember some methods that were possible because ark had a delay between server and cloud.

[untold ingot]

That was because ark transfers are not cloud transfers

[past wind]

They are, actually: you have server > cloud > server

that's how you dupe a character

[untold ingot]

It's a file transfer, that's how it is duped. If character files are not stored by default on the server you are playing on then you don't have that issue

[past wind]

I don't think it would be possible to save things differently

It's needed to have one save for each map + cloud, for every cluster

At least it's what I think

I know people managing Unnos and they never found a way to have a reliable cloud backup

[untold ingot]

I mean cod does a better job of saving character files

[wanton pike]

I imagine wildcard will have a lot more in order for ark 2. They are a fairly new company

[mint swan]

I can imagine WC would implement a better system for Ark 2.

[wanton pike]

Ark 1 was just a big learning curve 👀😜

[untold ingot]

It wouldn't be terribly hard to keep character files safe lol

[south lance]

wonder why this isnt alr the case

how much data does a character file even have

[untold ingot]

It wasnt designed from the start that way

[south lance]

fair enough

maybe they never thought theyd have 2000 servers

plus this works for unofficial just fine right

[past wind]

It doesn't

people lose stuff everyday because of that 🤡

[south lance]

i mean you cant dedicate a server for every unof character

this is probably the best they can do

maybe store the character on local pc otherwise idk

or get better server service

🤷‍♂️

[past wind]

But it isn't possible for the managers of unnos to create a server for that, even if they wanted

[south lance]

ik

[past wind]

actually the characters have backups

[south lance]

though tbh you could probably make an alternative system if you run an unof

[past wind]

the real problem is the loot of the characters

[south lance]

like if the character is deleted the stuff in a tribe is still there right

just get an admin to force you into your tribe or smthn

[past wind]

Not possible, I'm close to people that tried that

[south lance]

cant an admin take over a tribe

[past wind]

they tried to use local storage and google cloud, it didn't work because ark doesn't create backups or logs for the player's loot

[south lance]

im not talking about storage

[past wind]

the character itself will be fine

[south lance]

im talking about recreating missing characters

thats probably doable with a couple admins and not having more than a few hundred players

[past wind]

it's possible and the unnos can recover if they are corrupted

[south lance]

this is purely unofficial

aight

then current system is manageable

for unos

[past wind]

BUT the players complain because it's not possible to recover the loot, just the character (naked)

[south lance]

i still dont see why admin cant take over a tribe and then loot is recoverable?

[past wind]

If you travel to a server that crashes, before it saves, you will be naked

[south lance]

can admins not forcibly enter a tribe

[past wind]

because the system doesn't create a save for the loot

just for the characters

[south lance]

so does a base disappear then?

[past wind]

follow me:

[south lance]

no

[past wind]

Player X travels from map 1 to map 2

but before map 2 run a save, the map crashes

[south lance]

sure

[past wind]

the bases on map 2 are safe

but all the loot that left map 1 for map 2, are gone

got it?

[south lance]

thats ok ish

[past wind]

Believe, it's not LOL

that's probably 90% of the complains on unnos

[south lance]

just dont transfer with slotcaps of loot

im not sure how you even do it except on those insanely boosted ones with infinite weight

[past wind]

That's not the issue, the issue is when people are carrying important stuff

[south lance]

sure yeah, im saying its manageable

[past wind]

Well, in my experience it's complicated

[south lance]

if this happens on low rate unofficials tho yeah theres an issue, but then im not sure how often you are gonna get your loot deleted in a given years worth of transfers

[timber lance]

Im so excited for Ark NFT evolved

[past wind]

It would be better if WC made it possible to create backups when the player goes to the cloud

Backups that included the loot I mean

[south lance]

ye

[past wind]

For some reason, in my experience, Officials are more stable

[timber lance]

They tried that when valg got released but it was coded so bad that it flagged all the characters as duped an deleted them

[past wind]

Unnos use lots of mods and plugins, It might be the reason they crash a lot

[timber lance]

Depends what unnos you play

[past wind]

I never have lost anything on transfers on officials, but I have lost and also duped things on Official because of that

[past wind]

Well, duped chars are still a thing LOL

[timber lance]

Yeah, but when valg was released anyone eho transfered would get their character deleted

[past wind]

Well Ark 1 is almost 8 years old. They have probably found a way to avoid that issue

[desert swallow]

laughs in developer

[tropic crag]

Terrible take

[desert swallow]

Spends way too much time in here. Guy is probably losing it.

[timber lance]

Name one game that doesent have RMT

[tropic crag]

Skyrim

🤡

/j

[thick moat]

isn't the point that DEVS don't have the standard to do RMT, it's just the playerbase

[desert swallow]

the owner/devs doing RMT is a HUGE conflict of interest.

not against the law or anything, but unethical for sure

[unborn galleon]

Hello my Ark 2

[tropic forge]

RMT in ark is black market and is surprising huge

[mint swan]

People really trying to justify MTX's.. bro Gamers are so fucked in the head

[tropic forge]

i know what you mean i just was affirming thats more than RMT its actually black market, i ear some crazy stuff like swat calls to hit runs to see on web crazy stuff even found a website recruiting and there was wages that you wanna target and 5k was only the middle of the wages

that part of websites was on a time i start playing on pc and trying to figure out why was so many mega bases empties belonging to box tribes that's when i start to figure out what was going on in pc official servers

[desert swallow]

grammarly.com - have no idea what you are trying to say.

[tropic crag]

I couldn't understand the point he was trying to get across either 😅

[stray elm]

And this is why the gaming industry is so shit.

People forget the concept of "speak with your money"
But people like to speak with their phat mouths instead. Which will do nothing to a corporation.

[past wind]

I shouldn't have quoted that post, because what I meant is Loot boxes/ Season passes / etc are common.

selling spots and all aren't ok to me, of course.

But selling skins and cosmetics are fine to me

[untold ingot]

I mean, I don't know how much time it takes to make cosmetics, but I am guessing it's not more than like 10-40 hours for a good dev. Selling that for more than like 25 cents a piece is a scam imo

[desert swallow]

capitalism bro

companies will charge what people will pay. You would do the same in that same situation.

[untold ingot]

It isnt the only way, and I am not convinced it is the best way for a game like ark

for something like cod, or apex or fortnite where the game is basically static the same, then yeah it works. Ark is totally different and would lose quality by adding stuff like that

It would only have a positive impact on official pvp, while having negative impacts for pve and zero impact for unofficial pvp. The percentage of people who would benefit isnt high enough imo

[mint swan]

imagine having to spend upwards of $5 for a skeletal rex skin in Ark 2 when in Ark 1 all you need to do is kill a skeletal rex or get enough bones to craft it...

oh you want a tek giga skin? That'll be $3.50 timmy! Better get mom's credit card!

Might as well make access to mods paywalled as well 💀

[untold ingot]

Having paid skins makes making mods more limited

[mint swan]

Not that we dont think it couldnt exist together, but rather we DON'T want MTX's in the game.

Ark has already shown it can be extremely successful without the need of nickel and diming the players...

[untold ingot]

I am 75% sure that paid skins would limit the mods and settings people commonly use. Even if they don't, paid skins objectively add nothing of value to gameplay. Instead of new skins, make a new creature, or a new map. I don't want to see micro transactions in ark2. I literally will not buy it or suggest it to people if they do that lol

[untold ingot]

I never hear people talk about ark without mentioning mods to make it more fun, I never hear people talk about rust mods. And in any case ark and rust are entirely different genres. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another

For pvp it is mildly similar, but most people play pve

[mint swan]

The mental gymnastics are insane

[prisma pike]

Wtf is this convo? How the hell would paid skins be limiting what a modding community can do? I'm losing brain cells reading this.

Guys I custom wrapped my car so I can't get anything done internally to it.

[lunar finch]

Modders will mod no matter what's in the game.

Looking forward to seeing what kinds of mods will be possible with ARK 2.

[tropic crag]

Microtransactions are a stain on gaming, nothing anyone could ever say could make me think otherwise, full stop. Definitely a... strange take to say that it'll hurt modding in literally any capacity though, especially via skins, the least predatory and complex form out there 😅

Skins or not, I hope Ark 2 has good, meaningful DLC that is worth buying and isn't (entirely) pay to win. That kept them afloat with Ark 1, it'll do the same with Ark 2.

Now, as for moderation, easy fix. Have the official cluster be separated in two (as I've brought up many times now, don't know why I have to keep saying it as it's hands down the best possible route for a healthy official network, IF we want to keep it mostly as-is in the first place), a premium paid subscription section, and the lesser or unmoderated section.

Alternatively, just have the whole official cluster a paid subscription. The players that want to run their own servers on their own settings will do so regardless.

These are, to me and most of my players/friends/etc, the best possible ways they could moderate (and continue to moderate long-term) the official cluster.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk lmao

[elfin pumice]

how much would the premium subscription cost to pay for moderation?

and i think pve sub should cost less as theres not so much need for moderation

[tropic crag]

I don't know, I don't work in anything close to a monetization board 😂

But probably... 15 USD a year? As a starting guess?

[elfin pumice]

im willing to pay that ammount

[tropic crag]

It would have to be the same price for both, otherwise PvP would complain that theirs costs too much lol

Or vice versa

[elfin pumice]

id also like to see more official server kinds and not just "pve", "pvp no wipe" and "pvp wipe"

[tropic crag]

Not to mention, it would be to access the paid official cluster as a whole, never said PvE and PvP were split per se

[elfin pumice]

maybe a boosted pve with very limited tribe size (4-6 players?)

[elfin pumice]

pvp is harder to moderate and has more cheaters than pve

[tropic crag]

I would too, like PvPvE with specific rules, but they've said they won't be doing anything close to that for quite some time, if ever

[tropic crag]

We both know this, yes, but the last thing I'd want to hear is that PvE gets treated better/catered to or some stupid shit like that lmao, also again imo it'd be access to the whole of official, both PvE and PvP for one price

[elfin pumice]

fair enough

[prisma pike]

Oh yeah, buy a game and then have to pay to play the games official gamemodes. How to tank your franchise 101.

[wanton pike]

The fact that payed cosmetics will not affect gameplay is a plus if you’d ask me. Making entire creatures and maps etc will take a lot more effort than creating skins. Having those micro transactions at the side to generate money is the best they can do imo, if you think buying skins is worthless because it doesn’t add anything to your gameplay, than you just don’t buy it. I am sure loads will buy it though.

[vestal ice]

begging that ark 2 isn’t completely primitive 🙏

[wanton pike]

I reckon the game will start off primitive, but that it will get modernized over time

[vestal ice]

i want tek just like the first game

tek is the best part of the game

[prisma pike]

Yeah but bobs will cry if they have to actually work for something good. So they won't, then they'll get shit on by someone who did.

Imma laugh if they make modern weapons the equivalent of Tek and people cry over that too.

[elfin pumice]

Hardly disagree

[vestal ice]

Why?

[elfin pumice]

How is flying around in your jetpack shooting blue projectiles of massive damage the best part of a survival game with dinosaurs

It doesnt even look or feel like a survival anymore

Its just minecraft in creative mode

[chrome zinc]

Yup , tek is trash.

Primitive survival with good climbing and combat mechanic will feel amazing and no one can convince me tek will add something good to it.

[elfin pumice]

Agree

[vestal ice]

i mean there are tek dino’s

[elfin pumice]

theyre reskins of the originals

[vestal ice]

exactly

it matches

[elfin pumice]

what

[worldly garden]

🤔

[wanton pike]

I prefer primitive over tek too. I don’t mind them implementing futuristic stuff, only if it is bound to certain maps though. Also alien like creatures or some fantasy creatures should be bound to specific maps imo

[blissful perch]

…they add funds for development of new creatures and maps 😂. It’s a valid way to gather funds

[blissful perch]

But imo I agree with this as a better way to get funds. If WC wants to host official, and players want official to be properly moderated and maintained, there should be a small transaction cost to using that continued service

[fervent sapphire]

#primitive>tekgang

[blissful perch]

Ultimately it’s #nopowertripping

[iron sequoia]

#TekForever

[blissful perch]

I’d actually be fine with tek if they removed the chest piece

[fiery oracle]

So much qol is crammed Into tek

[prisma pike]

Ummm I need that for building

[south lance]

you can still get across most of a map

youd need to remove the legs too

[elfin pumice]

Use grapples

[prisma pike]

No

[elfin pumice]

And all of it

[elfin pumice]

No

[south lance]

the punch is cool imo

and the feet

[elfin pumice]

Dont reallly fit into ark 2

[prisma pike]

FEET?

[south lance]

yeah

and true

[blissful perch]

Great. Much of it can be added without the tek. And some of what’s defined as “qol” is a bandaid circumnavigation of a game problem

We could have a tame manager that entirely replaces cryopods (for example)

We could have other ways to move around than teleporters and other ways to gather than stryders

[fiery oracle]

thats why i said crammed, its like to justify tek they've put so much QOL that should've otherwise not been in it inside it

Even something simple like a jump pad or release cryopods were nightmarish to get

[blissful perch]

It had to be worth the element cost back when getting element required a boss kill

[fiery oracle]

imagine you actually need to make a tek replicator to get a jump pad

[blissful perch]

That being said, imo the QoL needed to go in before post boss lol

[fiery oracle]

Yeah but even now where ele is farmable easily on most maps or transferrable via extinction you still actually need to get the tekgrams which is just a pain in the ass considering how mystifying information on bosses is

If i wanted to know how to kill alpha brood using spinos id have no idea where to look for information about saddle quality/minimum stats. Its not very new-player friendly and i do feel for people so im hoping its rectified in the sequel

[wintry urchin]

Even with legs and chest gone you have almost just as much movement

[blissful perch]

Imo the issue with tek is that it basically throws out most stuff before it

[fiery oracle]

Even worse, sometimes there just isnt a replacement. If you wanna craft electronics at any greater speed your only option is a replicator

[blissful perch]

That’s imo hardly QoL in the grand scheme of things

A bigger issue for example is that the replicator is the only vanilla way to make some blueprints with stupid high mat costs

Since the BP system is largely based on randomly generated costs and thus doesn’t know if it requires more than a normal smithy/fabi can actually hold

[south lance]

its so annoying its easier to just use a tame

i dont wanna tek punch across a map

[tropic forge]

dont forget beavers and (argies???) cant recall the animais that can be use as a smith

[fiery oracle]

They have a weight limit and can only hold half of what a replicator can

[split dove]

i doubt those can even have enough weight for some of the more expensive bps tho

beaver ain't no way, argy might be able to do a few with it's resource weight reduction

[tropic forge]

true theres some high end bps thats crazy expensive hell tek armor its one of those than you have those stupid amount of resources that no one makes it a.k.a mosa platforms and even saddles

[wintry urchin]

It's not that bad

Just open ur map and u go flying

[plain zealot]

when is the release ?

[wintry urchin]

Prob 2024

[south lance]

its ok if you have no tames ig

[worldly garden]

I don't think even Wildcard knows! 🤣

[past wind]

Last official date: 2023

[wintry urchin]

It got changed to "coming soon" on steam and they're adding another creature, possibly a new map, and porting ark1 to UE 5.1

There's no shot they get it out this year if they're adding all that shit

[worldly garden]

Coming Soon was a Steam change nothing to do with Wildcard. Another map is just speculation, for all we know the new creature could just come like Carchar did.

[ionic meteor]

But somehow it made people think it's confirmed to release in 2024 smh 🤦‍♂️

[runic arch]

2026 calling it

[worldly garden]

There's more indicating that than not. 🤣

[ionic meteor]

Yes its possible it might be delayed but 2024 is just ridiculous since this game was being worked on since 2020 and its coming out on early access

[worldly garden]

Ridiculous, but still a likely chance of that happening. I'm doubtful it will be out before Q4 2023. I would have thought to reduce the speculation they might have changed it back to 2023, but they haven't so far.

[ionic meteor]

I mean if they were going to do it perhaps they should've hinted it at least a few months before, you're talking about skipping a whole year thats a massive delay that would likely kill the hype for the game completely

Or perhaps I'm a bit more optimistic for a 2023 release which I think is still the case

I mean wildcard aren't the best when it comes to marketing look at ATLAS they literally showed off gameplay the same month as it's supposed december release then it got delayed a couple of times I think

[blissful perch]

They said “2023” and I was like “Q4 2023? Got it”

Although Q1 2024 sounds way worse to some folks than it actually is

It’s not like any sane person expected 2023 release to come January 1 2023

[lunar finch]

Atlas is Grapeshot.

[blissful perch]

Honest question: did grapeshot split off WC before or after atlas initial launch?

I recall WC initiated atlas then handed it to grapeshot but I can’t remember when that happened

[lunar finch]

I donno the details about Atlas and Grapeshot because I don't like Atlas. xD

ocean simulator

[ionic meteor]

And wildcard

it was announced by jeremy & jesse themselves on the game awards 😂

[lunar finch]

It's a "Sister Studio" they split off.

[blissful perch]

For me ATLAS had the worst parts of ark and the worst parts of sea of thieves

[lunar finch]

Lmao

[split dove]

uhm you know the ark community is anything but sane right? 😂

[lunar finch]

I'm okay if they delay it further.

More time for development, more time to deliver on the promises they have made.

Releasing in Early Access is not an excuse to drop hot garbage out there, so I hope they take all the time they need.

[blissful perch]

Agreed on this point

I prefer Development be in this state rather than locked down by gameplay trailers and whatnot

If a system is found out to be flawed one week before release, WC shouldn’t feel beholden to the community and release a crap product

[ionic meteor]

Me too but not in 2024 lol

I'll be fine with a Q3 release or Q4 even

[blissful perch]

Q3-4 is normal no delay ark 2

[lunar finch]

This is just the reality of game development, and really goes to show people have no idea what kind of effort is actually involved in creating a quality game.

[blissful perch]

Don’t get whipped up by the Xbox stuff, since if WC doesn’t know…Xbox sure won’t know when ark 2 comes out

[lunar finch]

Take yo' time Wildcard. 💪🏻

[ionic meteor]

They forgot about it I think lol

[split dove]

tell that the ''master game developers and coders'' that sometimes hop in here

[lunar finch]

Nah it ain't worth it, lmao.

[ionic meteor]

Senior gameplay programmers

[blissful perch]

If games were designed exclusively by the players with the most hours…games would all be god awful

(Change my mind)

[rugged flower]

Based on a tweet from Aaron Greenberg, only 4 games are being shown during the xbox games showcase on the 25th. If he didnt miss word it, no ark news.

[split dove]

just those 4 games (forza, redfall, something minecraft and something else) and iirc some small thing about gamepass

[rugged flower]

Yep, so it seems.

[split dove]

you never know it could show a 2 second gameplay clip if it's in the gamepass stuff
(this is how the extremist theorists think about when the gameplay drops)

[rugged flower]

Ah yes, we have resorted to that level of hope now. Can't wait lol

[split dove]

we are tame compared to the others lol

[blissful perch]

Who’s we lol? I’m not expecting anything at any time

[split dove]

that's the others. we're just patiently waiting until the news arrives

[rugged flower]

At this point I don't expect any release this year, besides maybe whatever creature wins the votes. And you know what, I don't mind. Have to upgrade my pc before Ark 2 releases anyway. I can hear my processor bawling just on the thought of running the game

[blissful perch]

Maybe I’ll have a 3080 by then lol

[rugged flower]

I got a 3070 after the scalpers backed down a bit. but now she rests in my closet, waiting for me to get the remaining parts lol

[wintry urchin]

People don't care if they delay it, it's the utter and complete lack of communication that I and others get so pissed about

They just stay silent about the state of ark 2 while pushing huge ass ark 1 patches

[lunar finch]

I wouldn't speak for everybody line that, personally. 🙂

[wintry urchin]

Which is def taking away large amounts of Dev time

[lunar finch]

There are tons of people who would be enraged over a delay, communication or not.

[wintry urchin]

Communication > no communication

[lunar finch]

I didn't make any comments about communication.

[wintry urchin]

Better to at least tell the community that is buying your game how development is going instead of alienating them

[lunar finch]

They did tell us how development is going, a couple times.

They have told us they're deep in it, and they have told us that what's coming next will be gameplay.

And when they're ready to show that, they will.

It's not like Wildcard doesn't want to show us what they've been working hard at and get us all hyped up for it.

[wintry urchin]

I just know wildcard too well at this point is what makes me so tired of it

They've done the same thing for every dlc release too

[lunar finch]

Yes, Wildcard delays things a lot, we all know that.

Yes, we all want to know everything as soon as possible.

[rugged flower]

Most people also don't seem to realize there is 2 people, maybe even less at Wildcard allowed to give out information when they feel necessary. Most of the devs would probably take a lot of heat for spoiling stuff too soon. Besides this whole thing with snail games, probably means they have a lot more say over the game then Wildcard would like

[wintry urchin]

Give a date, push it back, give a new one, push it back, then out of nowhere drop the map with like 2 weeks notice

[lunar finch]

When have they dropped a map with little notice? Lol

They give dates, push it back, give a new one, push it back, then have a messy release day.

[wintry urchin]

They announce them well in advance, I'm talking about confirming that it'll release

No release day has been smooth lol ur right about that

[lunar finch]

I just don't find this to be as serious as some people, I guess.

[wintry urchin]

Extinction every dino was broken op and could be picked up by a pt, gen1 people transferred with reapers

[lunar finch]

It's coming, I'm looking forward to it, and I want to see some gameplay and other stuff as much as anybody else but...

[wintry urchin]

The reason I care so much is because this game is literally my childhood

Literally started playing when I was like 12

[lunar finch]

Just hang tight and have a little faith in them to deliver the game. They're working from the ground up, and they've learned a lot since ARK 1.

[wintry urchin]

I hope so

[lunar finch]

I'm sure working with ARK 1's hastily thrown together code is not an easy task, and I doubt it's an accurate reflection on what their capabilities with ARK 2 are.

[wintry urchin]

I'm just hoping they don't ruin the feel of ark with ARK 2, it'll be a sad way to end playing a game after 5 years

[rugged flower]

I'm sure they have seen the overwhelming concern in regards to how different it will be. Can't imagine they will give up the soul of the game that easy

[past wind]

I don’t know how they did juridically speaking, but since day one they presented Atlas as a title from Grapeshot, but we all know WC was behind it. The announcement was made by Jesse and Jeremy. Also Jat was presenting grapeshot’s twitch streams, talking about development updates.

Because of the above, I believe some things might be brought from Atlas to Ark 2. And some things are good actually.

[blissful perch]

“The soul of the game” to WC isn’t what every player thinks it is

Some folks think the tek tier is “the soul”, or first person

[split dove]

the soul of the game will probably still remain as the ''survival and exploration and taming, and dinosaurs/other prehistoric creatures'' experience Ark 1 was

[lavish rain]

Tek tier is the body

The soul is the entire mechanic of taming

[runic arch]

The soul is the convoluted breeding system lmao

[blissful perch]

That’s the cancer growing in ark’s brain

[blissful perch]

The body is the gameplay loop of gathering stuff, grinding things out, and going into the world and getting new resources and loot

[runic arch]

And in mine too but at this point idk if I feel like learning a new system

When I've fully mastered this one to the point of doing the -1 breeding meta

[blissful perch]

Ideally there is no new system that’s as onerous and miserable as the ark 1 system

And the best case scenario is said system doesn’t completely ruin the PvE balance of the game

[inner ibex]

The PVE balance of the game is what needs the most help IMO

[untold totem]

It's difficult when PVP players keep crying and kicking

[inner ibex]

I played this game since release and we went through a stretch where every update was basically PVP . They eventually gave all the PVE people what they wanted ( and needed IMO ) but just about everything about late game ark completely Trivializes the game

[pseudo beacon]

guys what if we fuck up arat so bad we need to make new arks

the planet arat

[inner ibex]

I played on Official PVP servers for the first 4-5 years and have just now recently started playing again but PVE instead and it just feels so trivialized .

I hope there is some drastic changes to a very outdated system

[unborn gust]

Pve is nice in theory but sucks in reality because everyone builds on the spawn points and abandons them and you spawn in to awful lag

[runic arch]

I don't get how official PvE can be enjoyable for that very reason. At least on unofficial there are admins that don't play that sh

And can do things, like moderate

[inner ibex]

Unofficial PVE isn’t lmao have to be on unofficial servers

[runic arch]

Isn't what?

[inner ibex]

Fun to play on

[runic arch]

Oh did you mean official PvE isn't then?

[inner ibex]

Yes

[runic arch]

Gotcha

[inner ibex]

Unofficial PvE is very enjoyable

If you can find a good server/cluster

Same with PvP I was just being my 2 cents in here cause I seen a lot of “ don’t want ark to change “

When it kinda needs to

[runic arch]

Ik it is selfish but the prospect of losing everything I've ever bred over years makes me very anxious

It does need to

[inner ibex]

It’s a completely new game ? Unless I’m misunderstanding

Why would you lose everything you Bred ?

[runic arch]

I mean unless they pull some overwatch bs. Dk how you could overhaul breeding system and retain Ark1 dinos

My assumption is that it's a new game that we'll have to buy

[inner ibex]

That’s what my assumption was

That’s why I’m saying why would you lose them tho ? It’ll still be there in Ark 1 for you ( unless they shut down servers )

But feel like you’re also being way to hopeful it’s a new game so they’re going to make people start over and learn new stuff they put in the game

It’s going to be a new game on a new engine , with hopefully very new mechanics . Games can’t last forever yaknow

[runic arch]

We'll have to see how Nitrado handles its Ark1 servers (I play unofficial) but yeah I see your point

There's clusters that are probably boosted so insanely that they have decades of time left til they run out, I'd imagine all that uptime investment can get ported somehow to new Ark2 version of the same cluster. But who knows I'm just spitballing

[inner ibex]

I’d be willing to put $ that that doesn’t happen

[runic arch]

Nitrado would make out like some serious bandits in that case

[inner ibex]

The server owners could port over and keep the time the same probably

But when it comes to porting over actual clusters into a entirely new game

Isn’t gonna happen

[runic arch]

No I get that, I'm just saying keep the remaining uptime the same

[inner ibex]

Ohh gotcha

[blissful perch]

Official servers may go down X years after ark 2 is out

But if you’ve got your own server rented/owned I can’t imagine you’ll lose anything from ark 1 unless you delete it yourself

[runic arch]

Server owners are at the mercy of Nitrado tho. If Nitrado decides they can't keep Ark1 and 2 servers running at same time, then that's that

[blissful perch]

You can’t get your save from nitrado? You can from other folks

As for PvE, PvE players are just as bad if not worse than PvP players at managing their own balance

It just matters less because broken PvE balance doesn’t really ruin other people’s fun like it does for PvP. For example I just self restrict when i play PvE and it’s manageable…even though at times it’s forced for me to use broken mechanics such as for alpha master controller type situations (which I hope to never need to spend X thousand hours breeding in ark 2 for anything)

[mint swan]

Nitrado servers are pretty expensive and i doubt they'd just decided Ark 1 isn't worth their time. they make money on it and will likely offer the product so long as they make money

[ashen loom]

Is ark 2 gonna have mod support on console? I swear I heard it a while ago from somewhere and I wanted to know if it's true or not

[stray elm]

Yes, it will

[ashen loom]

Thank you, I wanted to double check lol

[stray elm]

ARK-2 is going to have Mod.IO
Which is a system where PC mods can be downloaded to console versions.
So actually much, much better then the bullshit system Bethesda has

[mint swan]

Creation Club 🤮

[stray elm]

I meant their actual modding-page, but yeah, the Creation-Club fucking sucks

[untold ingot]

Pve is best with friends on a private server

[unborn gust]

some of us dont have friends

[untold ingot]

Understandable, there do have to be some major changes in how ark plays together in pve for ark2

[inner ibex]

S+ is gonna be goated on Console

Assuming they don’t add a lot of the building / crafting items from it

[split dove]

i highly doubt s+ is gonna work with Ark 2, while it's a mod for ark 1 that isn't updated a lot anymore.
And the building in Ark 2 will likely be rather different with the saveable templates and such.

Mod support isn't coming to Ark 1, only Ark 2

[tropic forge]

1 private server you gotta paid for, 2 you only play whit ppl on that server and 3 if not mistake for each map ark 1 as needs one server and if thats the case that will apply to ark 2 right

[simple plume]

Why though isn’t ark 2 story line based and not PVP

[tropic crag]

What Ark 1 patches have YOU been getting? LMAO

Gimme some

[wintry urchin]

Theyre porting it to 5.1

turn on your monitor

[split dove]

have you been reading the steam page or watching youtube videos?

The actuall official info from the steam page reveals that:
The story will get a more focused approach, but it will likely be similar to Genesis 1 and 2 where it isn't forced and will probably be more tied to the environment and mission/quests or new world event system.

Also pvp is confirmed, the healthy changes to pve also affect pvp, including more skill based combat and the new player traversal mechanics like climbing and others.

[simple plume]

From what I heard pvp going to be better on ark 1

Whatever though game probably won’t be any good

[split dove]

combat wise it ain't gonna be a cookie clicker game anymore lol

[bold juniper]

I hate cookie clickers

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that much can be inferred from the meme, sure, if they even are doing it and weren't just referencing the video mock-up that that one guy made (which they tagged in a later post, btw.) But you know how many members of the team are working on this... how, exactly? Not to mention the priority this may have in the grand scheme of things, again, if it's even being worked on in any meaningful capacity 😅

[iron sequoia]

Unfortunate

[split dove]

Could easily also be about ark 2 from what the founders note describes
''Put simply: with ARK 2, our goal is to make the game that we all wanted ARK 1 to be – now that we’ve had the time, resources, and knowledge to do it right. So in 2023 on Xbox & PC Game Pass, we’ll look forward to seeing you all in this new world of primeval creatures and legendary heroes.''

[tropic crag]

Anything is better than Ark 1 PvP, lol

[split dove]

and yes, i got that quote ready to go

[simple plume]

No

[tropic crag]

But I assume you just joined to dog on the game that isn't even out yet like all the other PvP elitist Xbox players

[split dove]

ah yes, i love the unpaid full time job called ''official pvp'' no wonder why i quit

[split dove]

it ain't limited to just xbox

just the ones we see the most lol

[tropic crag]

Maybe worry about the car in your profile backfiring, get that fixed first (if it even is your car) before worrying about a game that we know next to nothing about

[simple plume]

Not on Xbox

[tropic crag]

Strange, your roles indicate that you do, in fact, play on Xbox/Win10... maybe the role goblin paid us a visit?

[thick moat]

UE5.1 is definetly happening, idk what u on about, just see Jeremy's tweets

it's not just a meme lol

[tropic crag]

My point stands

[thick moat]

just see the reply on that same tweet from Jeremy

This particular fan-made video isn't what our earlier UE5 tweet was referring to of course... but it's still very nice to see what someone else has achieved😃

and then just confirms it with the reply to LoadedCrysis (XD) Depends on the definition of 'soon'... soon-ish/soon

[tropic crag]

🤦‍♂️

[thick moat]

❓

[mint swan]

Lol we dont know if WC has even started working on a UE5 upgrade for Ark. For all we know, they could just be interesting in upgrading it and maybe been testing with importing some ark 1 assets into UE5.

What they've put out isnt a smoking gun for the UE5 upgrade being worked on or a commitment. People are getting their hopes up without proof.

[thick moat]

yall just missing it when it's on your face it's funny xd

[mint swan]

Jeremy replied simply to a question on if they will make an announcement for the upgrade.

[thick moat]

all the old events videos of Cuda testing UE5 with ark assets don't exist now

[mint swan]

Although, i want UE5 Ark 1 to be full steam ahead and to have substantial progress already. WC being tight liped on it is brutal ^^

[blissful perch]

I’d be sad too if I was told 10k hrs of mutation breeding is about to be useless on a dead game

[blissful perch]

Sounds like what a normal person would interpret from the meme: UE5 upgrade is in the works, TBD when it’ll drop but it’s on the radar

[untold ingot]

How dare you assume we are normal people lol. Obviously the meme means the are turning ark1 into a Mario knockoff

[split dove]

kinda feels weird seeing Raq without the moderator role after a while, also it's obviously gonna be turned into a lego knockoff game

[untold ingot]

They already made the minecraft knockoff, and the fortnite knock off, so many Lego or Mario could be a thinf

[split dove]

we basicly got a building game already with Ark 1, now they need to make everything lego and walking in your base/foundations will slowly dmg you bc it's lego

[untold ingot]

It would make the bunk beds terrifying. Spawning in them would make you lose like half your hp

[blissful perch]

Oh you right, my B 😂

Also rip mod role huh

[unborn galleon]

Ark 2 out?

[split dove]

[unborn galleon]

Dissapointment

[lone igloo]

[devout basin]

So is it just me

or is anyone else rlly worried over the fact that theyre planning to launch befoee june and we have gotten 0 information about the game

thats like the defining feature that a games gonna suck major dodo butt

when a game stays quiet that long, it means they usually are hiding something or they have nothing good to show

[fallow niche]

Microsoft claiming they're going to launch before June doesn't take into account Wildcard's timeline, which can change. So far it's just 2023.

[devout basin]

😭 thats somehow worse that microsoft and wildcard arent even on the same page

I really dont want this game to flop but man wildcard is doin it some nasty justice with all this hush hush

i dont want it to become another Atlas

[fallow niche]

Atlas wasn't Wildcard, and it's still the beginning of the year. They have plenty of time

[devout basin]

I know, but im seeing some similar trends
And youre right, but its been years since its first been announced

thats a little suspicious for sure, i just hope wildcard doesnt plan for a lot of hype if they continue this silent treatment

because it really wouldnt suprise me if this really huge new defining gaming feature theyre promising is something thats gonna piss a lot of people off

[fallow niche]

Personally, I'd rather it be delayed again if they need more time. I'd much rather them have it going amazing at launch than full of bugs or other issues

[devout basin]

That's true! I'm all for delays if it means a finished project

I just wish theyd at least show us we're waiting for something good

[fallow niche]

They did at least promise that the next time Wildcard shares something, it'll be gameplay

[thick moat]

it will be early acces

[fallow niche]

Even an early access launch, I'd rather them take as much time as they need, personally

[devout basin]

Thats a relief!

I've been waiting on dead island since the first mention, so I can wait

[thick moat]

yeah specially on the optimization side of things

[fallow niche]

Definitely

[devout basin]

lol i just hope its finished and good

[fallow niche]

Ark 1 optimization is uh, not there

[thick moat]

if they give a good 1st impression to the people who see ark as a laggy mess, it could give them a very good look

because most people going into ark 2 will think of the optimization being bad at 1st lol

[lone igloo]

“Tries to soak base and then crashes”

[untold ingot]

I got too busy and couldn't keep up with everything, so something had to go

[tropic crag]

👀

[cunning talon]

ya real life > volunteer mod stuff

no drama, we appreciate Raaq greatly 🙂

[untold ingot]

I'll still be around causing trouble lol

[cunning talon]

[tropic crag]

@untold ingot we thank you for your service (to this discord) 🫡
edit: wrong emote, lol

[cunning talon]

[lavish rain]

It's just a bar

[untold totem]

Instead of stopping trouble lmaooo
Love ya bud

[untold ingot]

This is still my favorite work of art btw

[thick moat]

I prefer the chonky spino

[winged dome]

My favorite bit is the Ark2 title screen showing the release date~

I can't post it here, but maybe Dollie can help us out with it

[tropic crag]

I do really like the design of those cave drawings, hope we get to see those in-game

[thick moat]

🤨

[mint swan]

:spoiler:

🥄

[astral token]

It was a sneaky moment from @winged dome

Well tried 🫡

[south lance]

skill issue

[thick moat]

🗿

[bold juniper]

[winged dome]

Worth a shot 😂

[ancient stag]

I can imagine after seeing the new ingame videos of sons of the forest & Starfield that Wildcard is afraid to show ingame clips.

[tropic forge]

there's nothing to be afraid since none of those have dinos possible breeding and other stuff that only ark 2 as

[split dove]

people really upping up the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories on why there's no gameplay yet, nothing new, just more extreme

[past wind]

You’re probably right. I think the ray traced reflections aren’t working properly on Vindiagos bald head.

[winged dome]

✨

[mint swan]

ark 2 has been delayed

because of a dodo turning into the sun

[runic arch]

Soon™

[stray elm]

Still feel like personally, it would be interesting to see how Wildcard would implement a settlement system in ARK-2.
The objective (that we know so far) is to survive and rebuild humanity on Arat. So what's better to do so then allow players to make their own civilizations?

[past wind]

It’s something Atlas tried. They could work from there.

I believe (probably differently from most here) a Land claiming system would be nice.

On atlas you can claim and let people build within you lands and “charge taxes” and all

It’s a way to be an alpha without having to destroy everything

[stray elm]

Oh great, lets add taxes to both life and video-games!

[past wind]

Ark pvp already has informal taxes 😂

[stray elm]

Taxes can also be paid with a 12-Gauge on PvP.

[past wind]

What I mean is, people would join a settlement and contribute to its improvements (safety and all).

Or you can just settle on outlaw areas

Atlas has all that

They just need to improve on it

Of course just my opinion. I know most people here hate it

[blissful perch]

that type of system works terribly without very careful constraints

free roaming claims and the like means that whoever logs in first has an immeasurable advantage (for example)

another issue is that any form of world scaling (which building up towns/etc would do) basically throws a wrench into normal survival progression for anyone not present at world start

it would be like starting a new pokemon game and the only wild pokemon at level 70. Largely untenable for new players or players who weren't scaling alongside the world. Unless you did regular wipes ofc

[stray elm]

[past wind]

The “spamming system” already does that. But with the claiming system people that logged later can try to claim that already claimed land.

I mean, any inconveniences could be worked upon

The land claiming already exists, just not formally

[blissful perch]

spamming pillars on pvp servers is not quite like building up a large AI civ 😅

and I believe we do have a tweet stating that pillar spam as a whole is being addressed in ark 2 on both formats

[stray elm]

Can I eat a pillar in ARK-2?

[blissful perch]

organic rock salt pillars when

[past wind]

To what we are discussing here it is: people not present at the world start would be left without buildable land

[stray elm]

There was a bug back when P+ first came to official, that you could eat wooden planks

[past wind]

Good

[stray elm]

Good times

[blissful perch]

yes, and in both the pillar spam and civ building model that seems to be an issue. It would be worse if the spam everywhere was actual AI towns than simple pillars imo

It would be cool to have structured PvE gamemodes with city building or strategy elements...but I'm just not sure it can fit cleanly into the base experience without introducing some pretty major issues

[past wind]

I know it’s unpopular, like I’ve said above. But I like what atlas did. They’ve split the regions in classes. You won’t be able to claim lands everywhere. It basically has the freeports (pve zone), lawless regions (pvp, you can build, but can’t claim lands just like Ark) and the rest (can claim lands and pvp).

Idea: On the pve zones of Ark 2, it could be like human villages, we could be able to store safely a limited amount of our loot, in the cloud.

All that would move Ark from a survival game to an MMO. BUT that’s what I would want, the community seems to be against it

[tropic forge]

that idea sounds more like pre determent buildings and you just gather resources to lvl up settlement

[tropic forge]

i much rather have ark1 style than new world (it sucks)

[blissful perch]

I think ark 2 leaning away from MMO and towards a single server multiplayer survival setup is better...since it means gameplay can be more flexible to the server community and the emphasis is more about in the moment "gritty" surviving rather than politics and nation roleplaying

[ancient stag]

if you had a tribe with npc it would be cool if you could order your people to carry goods from A to B like in rimeworld.
I would personally find that more realistic and better than just the pull system from S+.

[blissful perch]

that sort of system sounds fun if ark scaled down to be coop PvE, but I don't really predict that happening

the whole NPC structure imo is really hard to justify in a survival game in the first place, but it's even harder to justify if the survival game is supposed to encourage player cooperation. It's a bit like a cop out to use NPCs rather than rely on collaborating with other players

[past wind]

We have so little info right now that I’m not sure which way they have chosen to go 😂

But I hope the idea of clusters will stay. I didn’t like the single server communities we had before Scorched.

Single server communities were very limiting IMO.

[blissful perch]

clusters with character transfer only are imo the right way to go. BUT they do have to fix issues with entrenched alphas if they limit transfers like that

[ancient stag]

If there is a seasonal system as I hope it could make sense to travel between servers when the other server has a different season.

[lavish rain]

Politics and nation role-playing are what keep people playing official servers. I know firsthand

There's whole ass economies on official servers

[blissful perch]

the MMO elements keep the MMO playstyle alive, very true

ultimately though a RP environment is how a sandbox multiplayer game...is played. So I doubt that'll change, NPCs or not. I just see NPCs as a copout from player-player interaction

[lavish rain]

There's been entire economic depressions on official

So as long as official servers exist, there will be that MMO element

And removing official servers won't happen

[stray elm]

Again, doesn't help the owner of Snail-Games encourages this.

[tropic forge]

ppl are really starving for info 🤤

[runic arch]

Quick someone speculate so people don't starve

[stray elm]

Lets talk about if the Aratai's will be edible

[tropic forge]

speculate its like matrix food, matrix tells you its delicious but you know it dosent exist 🤣

[blissful perch]

It’s true that snail seems poised to pressure ark 2 into being more of an MMO than ark 1

Which I hope to not be the case since I enjoy customizing my experience on a single server, and don’t really want to feel forced into the official ecosystem

[bold juniper]

Make them slower so other people is better

[blissful perch]

Do you need me to outline how that’s wildly insufficient?

[desert swallow]

Sons of the Forest is giving it a try. Be interesting to see how that works out.

[mighty lion]

Judging from their Q3 results, they are highly dependent on the success of ark 2

Wonder if they will try to monetize it differently than ark 1

[blissful perch]

I think we agree on that 100%

[mighty lion]

Yeah sorry for stating the obvious

[blissful perch]

I'm very ok with obvious takes if they're sane lol

[blissful perch]

it's really this that I'm interested in too

[mighty lion]

I'm ok with paid skins and accessories as long as they dont provide an advantage ( like smaller hit box)

[tropic crag]

And then, of course, a section of servers where there is transfers, or at least settings where unofficials could do so

Or maybe just have PvE be that section, now that I think about it 😅

Then they'd be at least slightly more invested in the idea of forward-porting mechanics to new maps

[blissful perch]

i don't really love no restrictions transfers

[tropic crag]

Ideally though, imo, we have transfers that are intricate and allow previous tech forward, but not new tech backwards. And by tech, I mean engrams or whatever system they implement to allow new items to be learned and made, i.e. engrams from map 1 are ok on all future maps, but engrams from map 2 back to map 1 are prohibited

[blissful perch]

I think ark shines brightest when you're starting from scratch and are forced to adapt to your circumstances

[tropic crag]

For PvE, it doesn't really matter. PvE survival games don't need the same balance as PvP survival games, and that's an indisputable fact

[blissful perch]

I'm speaking entirely about PvE here

PvE balance is damaged when you can import progress from other maps

[tropic crag]

Just look to Grounded's patch notes on the poison change (and the playerbase's reaction to them) to see why it's not necessary to nerf OP endgame tech that is... only acquirable at endgame, lmao

Hard disagree

[blissful perch]

if you could only access maps in PvE after completing them in sequence it would be nbd. But starting with progress on another map cheapens the new map imo

[lavish rain]

Legit tek but people won't listen

[tropic crag]

Just because Ark 1 made it that way in the later maps doesn't mean that it isn't possible to make that the case, just look at Aberration. Did anything from the Island prepare you for the radiation zone? Nameless? Reapers?

It can be done

[blissful perch]

i'd say if I brought even something like a rex to ab it would have cheapened the experience

(and obviously any flier)

[lavish rain]

But you cant

That's the key

[tropic crag]

I agree with the first part here, and singleplayer Ark 1 actually had somewhat of a system like this, where you couldn't access the free maps unless you played or beat (I don't remember lol) the associated story map

[blissful perch]

well yes, hence my argument for limited PvE transfers

[tropic crag]

Again, that wouldn't have helped in the rad zone, lol

My point stands in that situation

[split dove]

we really need ark 2 dlcs to be like abb, transfer wise if it's still a thing tho (keeps the playstyle unique to every potential dlc and limits what dinos you could bring)

[blissful perch]

a flier to dive in and get red gems would definitely have helped

and ab has mushroom soup...which you could give a flier and oops you beat the rad zone

[tropic crag]

Fair, but my point was that the radiation was to prevent most previous creatures from just steamrolling the rad zone

[split dove]

even new native creatures get bossed by radiation, even basilisks that can sometimes spawn in the radiation zone lol.
let's put something that isn't radiation proof once you tame it in the radiation zone, genius troll move wildcard

[tropic crag]

I guess the transfer restrictions were a bit in helping with that, I'll admit

But to be fair, I don't want flyers in Ark 2 in any OP capacity whatsoever, if at all lmao

[past wind]

Keywords to me: “proper world map system” and “massive world”.

I don’t think Ark 2 will be like Ark 1 regarding maps. I’m betting on one huge map for the whole Arat, or large portions of Arat split on multiple servers.

[untold totem]

i am actually looking forward to port anything that is actually good from ATLAS and Last Oasis to ARK 2, those are lost potential

[desert swallow]

you think you'll be able to transfer your boat from ATLAS? You're crazy!

[tropic crag]

So... either an Atlas map or normal Ark maps? Lol

[mighty lion]

The sizzle noise when something was being fried by radiation was a nice touch

[untold totem]

imagine instead of a boat, a well plated bronto base that you have to knock the plates out before you do some damage on the bronto

[quaint ibex]

I read somewhere a few days ago that ark 2 is being delayed again possibly for one final ark 1 map and tame

Is this true???

[untold totem]

people are just guessing no confirmation from WC

[lavish rain]

They explicitly said no more ark maps

[pearl spruce]

will the dodo be in ark 2?

[ripe cedar]

do you think it will be?

[past wind]

No, different from both. Each grid of Atlas’ map is like one server of Ark. They are both similar, but I like more the way you have to travel on Atlas.

For Ark 2 I think it will be huge, nothing like Ark maps or Atlas grids.

At least this is how I have interpreted the few info I’ve seen so far (official info).

[tropic crag]

Well, yeah, of course the maps will be bigger, that's a no brainer

[ionic meteor]

I'm curious to see how server transfers are gonna look like

[mint swan]

will we still have pokeballs to store our dinos?

if its not vanilla then it will def be among the first mods released ,lol

[mint swan]

i mean if minecraft map is extremely huge or even infinnite (idk for sure) , it all just depends how much work ark devs put into expanding the more... more work put into it = bigger map

i hope the npc humans are tameable , with cooked meals or smth

[worldly garden]

Like they explicitly said no Scorched Earth Ascension, and no more creatures after Carchar. And i'm thinking next month i'd also be saying "like they explicitly said last year was the last year of events". 🤣 For real though the new map stuff has just been born out of the fact there's a new dino coming, and some people think that means a map comes with it instead of thinking it will just be added like the Carchar.

[mint swan]

i hope most of the stuff and mechanics will be more immersive , example : farming , you place seeds into the ground and have some kind of watering mechanic stuff pouring water over them then in some hours they grow each and you collect them each , with the hands like fiber/berry bushes, and then you plant again and repeat , how many u get would be depending on server harvest rate (it makes more sense than that)

[mint swan]

they can always add a new dino , its not that hard for them, they added like 400 or so already ...
if there wouldve been only 20 or 50 dinos max (like in other games you have maximum 10-20 types of zombies to survive from or animals to hunt before everything gets repetitive)

[worldly garden]

Yes, but that wasn't the point I was making, it was more on the "explicitly said no more" side of things. Not whether it's easy for them to add a few more.

[thick moat]

400😂

[mint swan]

my point was that even if they say no more , if they made the game with love , if any of the devs are in the mood , they can make one maybe? who knows

guys will this be 60$ or 30$ release/early access launch?

i think ark1 was 20$ or so in early access

[lament thunder]

I imagine that it's going to be $60

[wanton pike]

If it’s a finished product unlike it’s predecessor, then 60 is alright imo

[worldly garden]

Well it won't be finished, it will be Early Access.

[tropic crag]

It can't legally be 60 USD if it's an early access title, by most industry standards

[mighty lion]

triple A game, triple A costs. If they release a deluxe edition with season pass for $120, I will buy that in a heartbeat

[mighty lion]

Devs see this as a huge qol improvement, but the prim status of Ark2 makes it doubtful

[wanton pike]

Me too!

[tropic crag]

Wildcard is not a triple A developer by definition, and I'm not debating what I would personally pay for the game, lol. Just the rules and regulations on early access games, I don't make the rules 🤷‍♂️

[tropic forge]

gotta say those rules dosent apply to baldur's gate for some reason, first time i see a game on ea and full price

[tropic crag]

(I would, for the record, also buy a solid Ark 2 with season pass at 120 USD 🙂 )

[tropic crag]

Larian Studios also doesn't follow most of the industry standards 😂

[worldly garden]

I'll buy ARK 2 regardless the cost. 🤣

[tropic crag]

Oh same here, as long as it's good

[thick moat]

I wish the ark 1 collectors edition was still buyable😭

The explorer note box with the dossiers was sick

I think I would even preorder it if i like the gameplay they show us this year

[split dove]

lost to time itself, just as the plush collectables will also be soon

[thick moat]

Hehe i got those

[split dove]

plush, i shall get you one day to complete the trio

[astral token]

Me who doesn’t even have 1 and is in the gang and missed many due to break from ARK

[light coyote]

Hey guys, do you think we will be able to say Lol in chat? And not have it be a banned word on xbox

^in ark 2

[night lily]

did it get delayed

[wintry urchin]

I lost the box years ago but still have the book, necklace, cloth map, and soundtrack

[blissful perch]

I do think the charchar was a weird one where it was in the “Fjordur” batch but it was delayed

[thick moat]

lol

do you guys think we'll get some insight this community crunch on what's happening? my bet is they will still remain silent

[runic arch]

In-game chat

[worldly garden]

In regards to ARK 2? Nope, unlikely for a few months.

[blissful perch]

Expecting ark 2 news at this point is a bit too optimistic 😅. Just be hype whenever it does happen to drop

[acoustic mirage]

if you just use same recipe chart and texture and you just change maps its the same game with annother name And same bug

I wonder why Want to create a 2nd ark when you can't even fix bugs if players know tricks to crash servers or freeze arks as I want by exploiting things like with deodon Sound data management misconfiguring when a simple dino full of food can crash a server by teleporting it from point A to point B

or players who mesh dinos into each other to save space this drops the framerate of the server

or destroying a dedicated box full coze overflow to server

these are just 2 3 things that have never really been resolved, the only way to resolve it on our side is to reduce the stack size

[tropic crag]

The point of them making a new game is to avoid having to waste time remaking the first game just to get rid of a few bugs, lol. Not to mention actually moving the franchise forward and being new and interesting

[split dove]

he probably doesn't even realise some bugs/glitches are way to deep in the code and would require a full rewrite to fix, but hey he knows everything better than us

[runic arch]

If a house is becoming unsafe bc the foundation is cracking, best thing to do is demo the house and start from scratch learning from the mistakes that caused the first foundation to crack

[worldly garden]

I'm not sure why anyone would think it would make sense for a business, to instead of making a new game, to try and fix an 8 year old game. I know people don't want to let go of ARK, but I mean think about it from a business perspective.

[desert swallow]

a lot of these discussions would be non existent if people in here looked at decisions from a business perspective.

[thick moat]

unless this ue5 thing has to do something with ark 2, don't ask me how, but that may be the case here

[obtuse pilot]

Lol gta online says what’s up

Top grossing game

[desert swallow]

MTX says what's up

[obtuse pilot]

It’s literally a free game

Fortnite

“Business perspective” u don’t know what your talking about Lol

[desert swallow]

different revenue models.

[runic arch]

Fortnite makes bank

[desert swallow]

Exactly. Ark 1 made the decision not to include MTX in it's game. They made money off of DLCs and game passes. But in order to stay relevant you have to continue to evolve and improve. Game engines, ideas, and assets they can all become obsolete and dated. Even Fortnite, which has done a fantastic job of making their game expandable will be rewritten one day and re-imagined to keep up with the industry and remain competitive.

[blissful perch]

You CAN choose to double down on an existing product, and it happens all the time

But it makes no sense to do so if there is no fiscal or functional reason to stick to an old product if it’s insanely obsolete

[mint swan]

it does on Xbox and mobile at least

[desert swallow]

but you'd have to have a good way of bringing in consistent revenue.

[mint swan]

Pretty sure PS does as well, but i cant be fucked to check

[blissful perch]

You only need that for a games as service model where you provide endless support (IE have maintenance costs) for the product

In theory everyone could make a game -> sell it -> retire it -> disband (with profit in hand and X years of employment). And it does happen on occasion

[mint swan]

yup, PS has MTX's too

[blissful perch]

However I’m guessing WC is interested in continuing to develop on the ark series, so in this case imo it’s absolutely the correct move to dump ark 1 (due to the state and age of the product) and advance to a clean ark 2

[desert swallow]

Agree on that

[split dove]

hey, ark 1 is becoming ark 2 and going to middle school, Ark 2 will become Ark 3 and go to high school

[blissful perch]

What I wish is more folks considered things with a mind for basic perspective taking (apologies for entering the realm of fantasy)

Gamer’s priorities ≠ Developer’s priorities

Also to get a chat going, how do we feel about…hmm…more rare organic farming products? For example, what about being able to farm silica pearls and meats? Or special seeds/woods that are rare components for crafting?

And should those farms be like ark 1 farms where it’s a UI that spits out a product or should they create real entities (for example a silica pearl farm that creates actual harvestable silica pearl nodes)

[runic arch]

You can already farm meats with plant species R unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting

[ripe cedar]

Idk how intricate clam farming should be or if silica pearls are even in ark 2 if i had to guess i would say they arent

[ripe cedar]

For ark 2 not ark

[runic arch]

I mean I'm guessing the plant species will stay?

[ripe cedar]

I would say that small levels of auto farming is ok but then you can just scale it up to a ridiculous degree and never have to leave your base, just look at ark 1 snails

[blissful perch]

I’m using clams as an example, but you could substitute “alien seed” or wood etc as a possible resource to farm

[runic arch]

From a "survival evolved" perspective, automation is the end all be all imo. Once your entire farming operation is automated that is peak evolution

[ripe cedar]

I would not look to gen 2 for what to expect for ark 2 as they clearly did not give much care into balancing anything in it

[blissful perch]

But I think the more interesting question for sure lies in the second part: which is do we want farms to add harvestable nodes or just be a UI? Might be a really cool thing to have a little orchard that can be harvested by tames rather than a crop plot inventory

[blissful perch]

I agree that what represents really satisfying survival game progression is moving from gathering to farming

[ripe cedar]

I guess it depends how big it means your base will be if you scale it up so much and if bigger bases are therefore harder to defend

[runic arch]

I'd say both options. If you just make them harvestable by a tame that means you need both a crop plot and a tame to make and get a veggie. Have it automatically accumulate in an inventory but also a harvestable node that can be gathered at a much higher rate

Other thing with automation is it naturally leads to obscenely large builds

[ripe cedar]

Id say needs to be harvested so thats its not fully afk but still at the convenience of your base and get more yield per harvest than wild crops

[winged dome]

Maybe some of the smaller creatures can be re-purposed as structure utility dinos. Pegomastyx for example can be taught to harvest crops and store them in a preserving bin or something. Cut down on the daily chores aspect of base maintenance

Give more creatures a use than 'M1 spam for damage numbers', and add a Flintstones feel of actually living with dinos and creatures instead of just having them stand there until mounted

[runic arch]

If there's a concept of a tame limit I'd be against dinos that have auto farming capabilities. Would lead to "more is better" mentality and people having dozens of tames auto collecting different things

[winged dome]

I'd imagine the creatures would be integrated into the structure - both to cut down on lag but also not to count against dino limit

[runic arch]

What I imagine as a great endgame meta for farming, is like 10 diff sizes of plots, and some kinda device to say combine 4 level 3 plots into a level 4 plot and so on. each one is bigger and therefore on the backend it'd be like one large wall vs four reg walls, way easier to manage

[blissful perch]

you'd need a tame limit, so perhaps these tames can either as said above be looped into the structure OR perhaps count against a separate limit from active combat tames

[runic arch]

I want a meta where large bases consisting of many structures can eventually be replaced with large bases with far fewer structures

Giant builds but with less backend management

[blissful perch]

it would definitely be a nice performance and ease of use feature

[ember oracle]

I hope outside bases are viable again

Pvp wise ^

[runic arch]

True

[south lance]

they need to reduce travel abilities for that

[blissful perch]

Not just travel but also soaking and basic defense

[south lance]

a lot is also dependent on unknown defense and raid systems

perhaps also render and the ability to hide bases in cracks that arent deep enough to be considered ratholes but still would go unnoticed if trees/rocks rendered further and ini editting wasnt allowed

this wouldnt apply to large bases though

in those cases you probably just need to slightly modify how raiding works

no platform saddles that you can use to get up to a key spot and blow up

[mint swan]

ini editing definitely needs to be removed.

[blissful perch]

Agreed. Eat the perf hit, idc

It’s mind blowing so much customizing is allowed in a PvP context 😅

[past wind]

I know a lot (I mean a lot) of people that just play Ark because they can edit the ini file. Without it’s unplayable for them. Probably the reason WC chose not to enforce their policies on that specific regard.

But yeah, it’s harmful for the pvp. But Ark graphical settings are also bad for pvp. Like other games, the devs should block the change of some settings.

Like distance view

I remember we could spy inside bases just using those settings. Things load in different distances depending on their classes.

[mighty lion]

Yah, I don't think they're what youd typically call a AAA developer, but their job postings claim Ark 2 will be a AAA title

[blissful perch]

I dunno, I feel like OW isn’t making spec accommodations that compromise gameplay

Ofc one could argue ark is a sandbox and thus has no obligation to manage a PvP meta or balance. It just has to offer sandbox features and offer “PvP” as a gamemode and that’s it

[past wind]

I agree with you they need to limit some things that unbalance pvp. I’m just pointing out there are other aspects of the game that should be taken into account, but Ark is so heavy on fps that they choose to not enforce their policies. Even hit boxes should be revised, because every ark pvp is a dwarf girl for a reason (hitboxes).

Other games have effectively taken care of those issues, without compromising performance.

[light coyote]

When you realize they're remastering ark 1 for ue5

[light coyote]

There's no mtx on xbox? There is on mobile but not xbox

[worldly garden]

We don't know what they are doing with ARK 1 UE5 yet. Lets not assume it's a remaster.

[mint swan]

You can buy skins on the microsoft store 🤣

[light coyote]

By definition it's a remaster lol

It's a completely new engine

A game remaster is a game that has ambience and design adapted to the capabilities of a more powerful console

[stray elm]

The console part isn't always the case.
But yeah, a remaster can just be as simple as lighting and texture improvements.
Skyrim Special Edition is a remaster of the original Skyrim.

[thick moat]

no one cares about those lmao

[mint swan]

GP: “Let’s not assume it’s a remaster”
GP: Also makes clickbait videos assuming that Ark II won’t release until 2024 with no proof

Gotta love hypocrites

[stray elm]

[mint swan]

MTX's are still MTX's 🤷‍♂️

but yeah, IDK who TF would buy them

[upbeat bramble]

When Will the Game come out?

[stray elm]

2023

[split dove]

☕ Ark community

[worldly garden]

👀

[mint swan]

According to the guy above me, 2024. Proof = none

[split dove]

still just 2023 until they announce otherwise

[mint swan]

Nope, steam changed date meaning it’s delayed

[stray elm]

Wasn't that changed for every Microsoft game, though?

[mint swan]

I’m mocking GP. Dude makes videos assuming stuff like this and then says others shouldn’t assume stuff😂

[stray elm]

That's every ARK youtuber.

Even Raasclark.

[mint swan]

Most of em yeah, hence why I don’t listen to any of them that do.

[untold totem]

the meme closet never forgets

[stray elm]

Hell, every News-based Youtuber does it.
There's a degree of how much actual information one can provide, before needing to start taking theories to a stretched amount to keep your channel alive.

[mint swan]

I don’t have a problem with it in it’s entirety

I just think it’s humorous that he says someone shouldn’t do one thing, but does said thing himself

News in itself is full of clickbait; that’s what get views. At least keep it consistent across the board tho

[worldly garden]

I don't ever recall saying people shouldn't do clickbait.

[past wind]

Updating the engine is basically what a remaster is.

[worldly garden]

But they haven't said they are updating the engine. They have literally given no details to what that tweet means.

[past wind]

Oh sure, that’s true. They just posted a meme. But assuming Ark 1 is going to be updated to UE5, it will be a remaster by definition.

[mint swan]

just ignore the troll 👍

[silent sable]

@drowsy ibex ARK 2 in 2023 ?

[steel lichen]

Ark 3 in 2030?

[past wind]

Starring Daniel Radcliffe as Santiago’s grandson.

[light coyote]

No they've 100% said that ue5 is coming to ark 1

[blissful perch]

While true, I do think it’s safe to assume some ark 1 UE5 effort is going to get started or is underway. Unsure if that’s a formal remaster or what, but it’s clearly a project of some sort

I’m less than convinced it has anything to do with ark 2 though

[acoustic mirage]

what I am trying to say is that if ark2 is built on the same architecture as ark1, we risk having a second version of ark1 With glitch bugs, a new map is released without even having optimized it that you pass through a wall just by walking hahahaha 😛

[mint swan]

Didn’t say that. Read again (:

I’m excited though for whenever it does release. Should be fun

[blissful perch]

Oh that’s not the case though, which is good

Ark 2 is a ground up project. If you read the steam page and founder notes you’ll also see that a ton of the basic gameplay features are being reworked and redesigned. It’ll really only resemble ark 1 in the fundamental taming survival core and in some of the creatures…because the rest looks to be extremely different

[split dove]

''but i don't want to spend time looking at the actual confirmed info''
So whatever i make up has to be true

[untold ingot]

There is nothing inherently wrong with click bait (it's marketing) as long as the video that follows is well informed (and states what is opinion vs fact). Of your videos that I have seen you do that pretty well honestly.