ark-2

[lime forge]

So long as the story is at least somewhat optional it will work well with the multiplayer sandbox aspect. PvP is gonna be changed considerably more compared to PvE though. There’s no doubt about that. But change doesn’t necessarily mean bad.

[gentle monolith]

Yea idk i feel like the story will be mandatory tho

[lime forge]

Mandatory is fine with me as long as it’s done on my time and not gating large amounts of content.

[thick moat]

they want people to have their own player driven stories, im sure they want it the other way around

ARK 2’s main narrative tells the story of a father and a daughter (“Meeka” played by Auli'i Cravalho!), of betrayal & broken promises, and the strength of the family bond – and of course, it’s a story of badass giant dinosaurs. But even more importantly, this is about players’ own stories – like any good persistent-world online survival game, ‘Survivors’ in ARK 2 each have their own unique path through the game, as they form their own tribe, make their own friends, and attempt to build their own creature-aided civilization.

With ARK 2, we’re seeking not only to enhance the game’s narrative and world-building, but also retouch and improve on all aspects of what constitutes an ARK game.

It's just the main narrative

[gentle monolith]

ok

[thick moat]

It's still an Open world survival sandbox game

[lime forge]

Yeah, I think making the story about our characters would actually make it linear and story driven. Where making the story about an npc and his kid leaves it as optional.

[thick moat]

I honestly love that so much

It's in part what made love ark, all the stories I made on servers are unforgettable to me

[worldly garden]

👀

[wanton vault]

I think role players of ark are going to love ark 2,even people who don’t like ark that much are keen to see what ark 2 is about, let’s hope it lives up to the expectations

[lime forge]

I would do illicit things some new Ark 2 news

[thick moat]

Let's hope that they say something on the 27th community crunch

And if we are very positive they may say something this weeks CC lmao

But very very very positive

[untold totem]

Maypends

Most RP-ers go for skins and aesthetics

[wanton vault]

Me and my friends occasionally do some sort of rp and with the new environment a primitive rp is going to be very beautiful

[royal nebula]

I can never even find light RP servers so hopefully Ark 2 has a lot more

[south lance]

all modded experiences should be more common

[lime forge]

I didn’t even know there were rp servers haha

[royal nebula]

Every RP server that exists is super heavy and strict that’s why they don’t get much attention, because not a lot of people are looking for that unless they are experienced in RP

[lime forge]

Bro, I’ll rp so good

Ark 2: Dungeons and Dino’s

[thick moat]

Lol all rp servers I found are pretty light

At least from the spanish community, we take it a lot less seriously

[royal nebula]

Half the ones I find are 18+, on top of the already strict rules lol

Ark 2 will probably bring a lot of people in so no doubt every community will also get bigger cause that’s just how it works

[untold totem]

Light RP is down right impossible without PVP server rejects just raid a random "RP"-PVP server and screw everything over

There is a reason why the restrictions exist

[south lance]

not enough servers use all the unofficial maps

[untold totem]

That is more on the side of "servers being too expensive"

[south lance]

why would that affect using maps that arent official ones

crashes?

and other issues since tmk most mod maps are made for sp

[untold totem]

Possibly

Most mod maps are more to the modder's preference ||this is also the reason why I am against "lore canon" the mod maps||

[vital turtle]

announce something !!!!!

[sonic elbow]

No !!!!!

[orchid flume]

Will the story of ark 1 continue in ark 2?

[astral token]

Yes

[astral token]

U dont want an announcement?

[split dove]

we all want announcements, but we don't want them to happen bc angry impatient people keep sending angry messages that won't be read by devs anyway

[astral token]

I mean unless they do something very bad ARK II can’t be worse than ARK I, so it’ll be better

[split dove]

i mean they're already not rushing it out to make quick money so it's more optimized for launch wich i respect

[lime forge]

Idc what it takes. I want the new info.

[split dove]

you think i don't want info? at least we're kinda more patient than others

[astral token]

I guess

[naive junco]

do you think we will have peace music in ARK2 besides battle music and transitions?

[split dove]

Ark 1 has it, i don't know why ark 2 wouldn't have some as well

[blissful perch]

I’d also love it if fights lasted long enough to appreciate the music 😅

[tropic crag]

I'm sure they will

[naive junco]

Ark 1 is devoid of music when you aren't in combat, or you spawn, or the day reaches a certain point. I don't know what are you talking about.

[blissful perch]

They did MAKE the music, but yes not even all the combat music is easy to hear ingame let alone the peaceful ones

That being said, music is tough to justify in a game where you rely on sound to not get jumped by a raptor

[naive junco]

i meant that music could play when at your base, building and managing. Not in the wild.

[blissful perch]

That’s kinda hard for the game to read don’t you think?

What triggers would you use to determine “I’m safe in my base”?

[naive junco]

yeah

[untold totem]

HLNA quote trigger when you made a shelter

[blissful perch]

A quote versus playing music (or looping said music) aren’t quite the same in terms of audio

[naive junco]

i don't know. It was just a half baked idea of mine. I'm thinking a special structure, but that sounds extremely silly on second thought.

[blissful perch]

Half baked is nbd, but I think it’s trickier than you’d think to get peaceful music to play when it’s actually peaceful haha

Though I’d cry laughing if the “why do I hear boss music” meme makes it into ark 2

[untold totem]

TBF it makes the tense part less tense when you have a song to distract you

[untold totem]

I'd be more laughing if a small ass ant caused it

[south lance]

there is peace music but it doesnt activate often enough

[untold totem]

The afternoon and night trigger is what you meant

[blissful perch]

There’s four I think? Dead, spawn, dawn, and dusk

[south lance]

if thats what it is then mb, i still count it as peaceful music

[blissful perch]

It is, but I think Haumea is after longer tracks rather than the very short ones played for those four triggers

[untold totem]

The dawn trigger kinda jumpscared me more than the combat music

[naive junco]

first spawn, respawn, join, morning, noon, night.

[lime forge]

It’s like you guys missed the interview with their lead composer dude

Music in Ark 2 is like the largest portion of info we’ve been given haha

[untold totem]

The energy is so low and awkward in the stream, it's kinda given that it's forgettable

[thick moat]

Are we counting the cinematic and ascension music?

[wanton pike]

Thought we were promised gameplay 🤣🤣🤣

[lime forge]

This was long before the gameplay promise

[blissful perch]

I mean the vision is one thing. I’m not sure how it’ll feel in practice

[naive junco]

||do you think the name of the planet Arat has to do anything with the Hungarian word arat, meaning "to harvest" in singular third person? or is it obviously a coincidence?||

[lime forge]

They named Arat after a place on Earth.

[elfin pumice]

I think if they wanted to use a word in a foreign language to name a planet they wouldnt go for a conjugated verb

[stray elm]

Yes

[wanton pike]

AH my mistake hahah

[ionic meteor]

Yo my twitter feed is on fire rn

News of an xbox showcase late january

ohh shi here we go again

[potent hull]

is it rue

true

[ionic meteor]

Its looks very true

They call it Developer Direct

[lime forge]

Just stop

[ionic meteor]

reliable insiders have confirmed it and its going to happen on january 25th

[lime forge]

You’re gonna start an uproar.

People are gonna be super salty when nothing comes of it.

[ionic meteor]

Well Microsoft is gonna announce it so its going to happen either way

[lime forge]

And how do you know that?

[ionic meteor]

news headlines have reported it

[lime forge]

Give me one reliable source to search

[potent hull]

insider gaming

[ionic meteor]

Jez corden (reliable insider) said microsoft should announce it soon

[potent hull]

i just look it up

[lime forge]

Announce what?

[ionic meteor]

The event

but I dunno when

[potent hull]

you my want to go a look up to see what news is out there

[lime forge]

Idc about the event.

[past wind]

It’s all over the place. It’s a rumor. But it seems believable.

[lime forge]

You’re gonna have everyone expecting news

[past wind]

Xbox accounts have been hinting something since TGA

[ionic meteor]

Jez said theres an event back in december and now its seems to be true

[lime forge]

Ya know what.

Let’s just spread all the rumors

[ionic meteor]

They said they'll give us a closer look at Redfall, Mincraft: legends, Forza motorsport and other games

[blissful perch]

I still can’t grasp the point of the rumors

[past wind]

TBF, this channel is all about rumors and hopes 🤣

[lime forge]

Like we can’t be blamed considering the lack of info they’ve given us

[blissful perch]

Like look at this one: “they’ll give us a closer look at…” and ark 2 isn’t on the list

[lime forge]

What else are we gonna talk about?

[ionic meteor]

Xbox skipped the Game Awards and this is why

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ I had my fun talking about game design

[past wind]

That’s true indeed. The rumors don’t say anything about Ark 2

[potent hull]

well it dos not ether but wild card do not have to say

[blissful perch]

Not rumors of when ark 2 info may or may not drop. Because who tf cares about that? Even if it’s true 100% of the time, it’s gonna be an @ in announcements and you can just read it whenever

[past wind]

BUT if the event really happens, I’d expect WC to use it

[ionic meteor]

Yeah nothing about ARK 2 however we need to keep an eye out for any type of hints from the devs

[blissful perch]

But here’s the thing: who cares

If you miss it live, you can watch it like 30 seconds after when it’s announced

[potent hull]

the next time we her ark 2 is game play

[stray elm]

I CARE!!

[potent hull]

and the xbox event is not that big

[stray elm]

Wait, what're y'all talking about?

[blissful perch]

I don’t care until I see the @ ping in announcements, because that’ll be where the actual news is

[ionic meteor]

If one of the devs hint you know its going to happen

[lime forge]

Everyone expected WC to use the last event, and the one before that, and the one before that.

[past wind]

I didn’t…

Read my posts back then

[blissful perch]

Statements made moments before extra life and two other events in 2022 where nothing happened

[past wind]

The developer insider is a different kind of event

[blissful perch]

But don’t worry, eventually you’ll be right

And you’ll say “see? This is why you use rumors”

[stray elm]

Just gonna say, I do personally think they revealed ARK-2 way too early.

[past wind]

And if it really happens, I thing the changes are higher

[lime forge]

Exactly

[potent hull]

shifter can i sand you a videos

[stray elm]

You should send sand

[ionic meteor]

Remember Other xbox exclusives didn't appear at any of these events

[stray elm]

"I don't like sand.
It's rough, course, and it gets everywhere.
And I mean 'eeeveryywhere'"

[blissful perch]

Don’t 🙂

If it says “rumor” I’ll pass out asleep

[potent hull]

som of the post in the video are reill post on game webstis

[lime forge]

Some of you guys are like the wish version of loadedcrysis I stg

[blissful perch]

Except they make no money farming attention smh

[stray elm]

I still have no idea what Death says sometimes

[lime forge]

That’s why they’re the wish version and not target

[lime forge]

Same

[blissful perch]

…you’re telling me the WC event that’s historically dropped information on new ark content was expected to be silent about ark 2? Is that what I’m reading?

[potent hull]

there a post on twiter from Aron greenberg on the event

[ionic meteor]

I didn't mean to cause an uproar but i saw the news and thought since ARK 2 is meant to come out in the first half of 2023 I thought maaybbe they could appear there or not..

[stray elm]

[stray elm]

They have yet to confirm that.

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 is only stated for 2023 by Wildcard

[stray elm]

It's just fan speculation that it'll come out in the first half.

[potent hull]

it say this shoyld be a fun week excited for the days to progress that what the post says

[blissful perch]

You’re a symptom, not a cause. The cause is infinitely irritating though because of the symptoms

[ionic meteor]

They can't talk about ARK 2 on the extra life you know this

[potent hull]

to far a way

[blissful perch]

People have imagined the terms and conditions of an NDA they’ve never seen and I’m laughing so damn hard

[stray elm]

My fucking god, what have I caused.
I should've just kept my mouth shut when I had a 'theory' of "Oooh, since they stated in the next '12 months' of the Bethesda-Xbox showcase. Then that 'could' mean ARK-2 will come out in June or before."

[naive junco]

Huh. I've never seen an Ark fan this optimistic

[blissful perch]

I tried, and you kept it open smh

[stray elm]

Aye, to be fair I've always have stated 'could.'
I've always tried to make it out to not be a defenitive thing. But people being people will take it out of proportion.

[blissful perch]

Always

[past wind]

Not entirely true, it’s something published by Microsoft/Xbox. They expect, for some reason, that Ark 2 and all other games on that banner shared on their last event, to come on the first half. But Wc never confirmed it.

[blissful perch]

The issue I took with ya was never about accuracy, it was about “is this a can of worms worth opening”

[stray elm]

I've said this once, I'll say it again.
"We have no actual official confirmation of 'how' involved Microsoft is.
They could either be full fledge part of the development, or they signed an exclusivity deal for money and fucked off.
Microsoft's words mean nothing until we know more information."

[south lance]

ark 2 releases on valentines day

[stray elm]

Ayo, can I date Santiago?

[south lance]

yes

[stray elm]

Can Santiago be my little Valentines?

[south lance]

youre his little valentine*

[stray elm]

Ara-Ara

[lime forge]

WildCard is to blame for all of this. They’ve starved us of information and then they give us a single channel to discuss 3 paragraphs of information over the course of 3 years. Obviously we’re gonna be grasping.

[past wind]

That’s true. I’m just saying it wasn’t a fan speculation, but an info provided by Microsoft. Be it good or bad info it’s Microsoft’s responsibility.

[blissful perch]

I’ve had a lot of fun most of that time with the info we have 🤷‍♂️

[south lance]

i just use this channel to discuss game design

[stray elm]

I just use this channel for the shitposts.

[blissful perch]

It’s just boring as hell to read chats of people circulating news rumors. Otherwise it’s pretty fun to chat game design

[stray elm]

Whaaat?
You gotta admit Shifter, some people have some 'entertaining' takes on ARK-2.

[lime forge]

We’ve literally discussed Ark 2 so much that our made up concepts for what it could and should be have came back around multiple times.

[south lance]

devs dmed me free ark 2 early early access codes i will sell to you for 30 rupees

[ionic meteor]

If theres one to blame it has to be Microsoft horrible marketing

[blissful perch]

Oh for sure. It definitely beats rumors of “we’ll hear something next week I swear dude just trust me”

[potent hull]

ARK 2 WILL BE A BOUT bootleg only home

[stray elm]

I have 29, will that work?

[south lance]

send good photo then ok

[past wind]

Nah… I wouldn’t say WCs marketing department is any better

[south lance]

wait the mod was here 20 minutes ago

fak

[lime forge]

Like why can’t we get some concept art?

[stray elm]

I've sent you image of rupees.
Give me ARK-2.

[lime forge]

I’ll take a fucking doodle of a dinosaur on Ceds Jimmy John’s napkin. At least it’s something to talk about

[past wind]

Right now?! Because they’ve promised gameplay would be next. If they share any kind of concept without gameplay, we will see riot.

[blissful perch]

Dollie: “I’ll be transparent with the community”

The community: “froths rabidly”

[stray elm]

Dollie: "I'll be transparent with the community"
-Turns fucking invisible.

[lime forge]

Dollies transparency “nah maybe next time”

[past wind]

Transparent = absence of colors = no info at all

[lime forge]

Transparent af

[south lance]

give me ark2 roll animation

[stray elm]

Kind of hate how they shot themselves in the foot of "next thing we'll show is gameplay"

[south lance]

live life hard 💪

[lime forge]

Spit on my shoe and tell me it kind of looks like a new creature you’re working on

[stray elm]

Like, depending how far away that is, we'll have to wait fucking months for the next information.

[thick moat]

they released ark 2 into the light too early

[stray elm]

Honestly, I would've loved if we got more concept-art in the meantime.

[lavish rain]

@stray elm @south lance @lime forge @blissful perch stop tweaking out

[past wind]

That’s very true. Unless they had something targeted to be released soon, it was a bad move

[stray elm]

No U

[past wind]

Hence why I say their marketing is bad

[south lance]

nyeheheheheheh ima eat your edibles

then ima eat you

[stray elm]

If they stated next 'big' thing we'll show is gameplay, then that's fine since then they could've showed some concept-art in the meantime.

[past wind]

Now they can’t Share anything before they have some gameplay footage

[blissful perch]

S tier bait

[lavish rain]

They said the very next thing

[stray elm]

Well like......'they can'
But I'm not sure if they 'want' to.

[ionic meteor]

I think they were going to reveal at the game awards but microsoft was like nope

[lavish rain]

It's true

[lime forge]

I’m starting to understand why lotus always goes on his wild conspiracy theory rants

[lavish rain]

Stop being a tweaker

[stray elm]

Again, we have no confirmation how fucking involved Microsoft is.

[lavish rain]

Whe

[past wind]

They can, but they shouldn’t, because they would have lied again, you know?

I’m talking about bad community’s response to that

[lime forge]

I’ll take a lie and some concept art over another 8 months of silence

[stray elm]

Fuck it, let it rain hellfire while I enjoy my funny Aratai concept art.

[south lance]

you just need some good mod maps

[lavish rain]

Why do you think I rant like I do besides the obvious stuff

[past wind]

I’m with you. Just saying it would be a bad PR move

[stray elm]

They 'are' a bad PR move

[past wind]

True

[south lance]

unfortunately all the mod maps have disgustingly small biomes

[blissful perch]

LI?

[lime forge]

Mod maps suck, the community isn’t nearly as talented as they think they are.

[south lance]

did lost island even release before it released officially

i thought it was always in develipment

[stray elm]

It was

[ionic meteor]

They're involved like what

[blissful perch]

Imo Fjordur had big biomes too

[naive junco]

I agree with santawell. Getting some concept art would be great

[south lance]

fjordur was fine

[past wind]

No

[stray elm]

We don't know 'how' involved they are.

It's stated nowhere officially how involved Microsoft is.
They could be controlling some aspects of the game, or simply gave Wildcard money to make it a timed exclusive.

[naive junco]

becouse they are trying to stuff all biomes in them to satisfy the community's agenda.

[ionic meteor]

I don't know where to get that information but I'm sure its out there

[lime forge]

If it was anywhere it would be right here

[lavish rain]

Why

[ionic meteor]

Yoo this channel is wild istg

[lime forge]

Information from “out there” is what started this whole debacle.

[lavish rain]

Bob Stallone is typing...

[past wind]

But as a gamepass title, I would say they have info on the expected release date.

[thick moat]

Yesterday i was looking at the post from June that revealed ark 2 features, and on the paragraph where they announced the delay they state
We are currently working on our expansive sequel with all our might! But we have postponed the release date to 2023 in order to create an adventure that will be unforgettable for everyone, respectful of our team’s health, realize the potential of upgrading to Unreal 5, and to introduce revolutionary full mod support for console players! ARK 2 will launch in 2023
it's interesting, what do they mean about realising the potential to update to UE5?
Sorry for the block of text but I wanted to talk abt this

[ionic meteor]

getting crazy because I was the first to break the news 😂

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure the ark 2 prototype was in UE4 because UE5 wasn’t out yet

[blissful perch]

Break factual news and suddenly things will be more interesting

[past wind]

Not releasing, but realizing

[thick moat]

yeah and doesn't this mean the game is close to being able to be played and they needed to delay to realise the UE5 and mod.io support?

[blissful perch]

No?

[lime forge]

You didn’t break news. You spread rumors like cream cheese on a tortilla

[ionic meteor]

Okay sorry next time I'll bring you concrete statements from Jeremy himself or.. dollie idk

[past wind]

Not my interpretation

[thick moat]

i mean that's what I understand from there, that they delayed due to those

[past wind]

I believe they meant they would have more time to improve things

[lime forge]

I’ve got myself so worked up that I’m not tired anymore and it’s over an hour past my bedtime

[ionic meteor]

As if they're gonna say anything besides teasing us and ARK 1 stuff

[lime forge]

Fuck. I’m gonna hate my life at work tonight and it’s all wildcards fault

[thick moat]

yeah may be the case, something to think abt though

[lavish rain]

You could visit the wizard and just all night it

[lime forge]

Nah. I don’t fuck with the devil

[lavish rain]

The wizard has it all

[lime forge]

If the wizard doesn’t have Ark 2 news he can go somewhere and something like a something. Just make up your analogy to insert there.

[lavish rain]

The wizard has ark 2 news

[potent hull]

wizard 101

[south lance]

i hate it

well

it forces them to make a huge map which i like

if the map was 500 sqkm then you can have your 20 biomes

how can ark be better than ark2 💀

[split dove]

oh idk, maybe to be better than the unoptimized buggy mess with questionable game design choices that is ark1.
A sequel is meant to improve on what the first one did

[ionic meteor]

Thats the whole point of any sequel out there

[south lance]

assuming it just was, sure, its gonna be the cost of like 2 or 3 dlc at ea anyhow

luckily its a bunch more too

[naive junco]

they can restart and build a game on a new foundation instead of dealing with ark 1's spagetti code.

[south lance]

xbox can finally play modded servers

[ionic meteor]

Finally! The feature I'm mostly anticipated for in ARK2

[blissful perch]

I far prefer small maps with longer travel times and more love in each biome

A big expanse of empty is boring. A small handcrafted experience where things feel alive is 👌🏼

[untold totem]

On a big pop server, it gets crowded

Depends on the map type tho

Especially huge creatures like Giga, Rex, and Saurpods

[blissful perch]

I always mean size in relative terms

Genesis 2 is objectively massive compared to Ab, but a flierless Ab before drakes feels massive despite being tiny

[untold totem]

TBF Ab is a maze

[south lance]

yeah but a big handcrafted experience is better

[blissful perch]

I mean yes lol but by that logic I want fully immersive procedural maps

[south lance]

this is why i like the cocnept of ark2 having dlc sections that all connect to each other

[untold totem]

If they made the map with connection to a good world building then yes

[south lance]

its all supposed to be a single continuous world after all

[untold totem]

The issue with having a DLC requirement map is

1 pay wall/pay to win
2 if it's free, there will be compatibility issues

[south lance]

i mean most players without the main paid dlc just have a tribemate get all the shit they need

also they are permanently unable to get certain levels but thats specific to how ascension works

[untold totem]

What if that said DLC tribemate quits or take a break

[south lance]

you get a different tribemate to do stuff for you

usually its not too hard anyhow and youll have a base on a free map

[untold totem]

And gets raided by a tribe that is protected by a literal paywall and you can't raid back

[south lance]

as it stands youre probably already screwed if youre small/new enough that most of your tribemates dont have dlc

though whether the dlc is directly connected to you or is on another server, not being able to raid back still exists

[untold totem]

Having a DLC map that is literally connected to the main map is a bad idea

Conan tried that but scrapped it in favor of having a separate map DLC

I can propose a Last Oasis map style but that is just a glorified ARK cluster

[south lance]

i just dont want a map to be small enough that i can go through the whole thing on foot in a week

[untold totem]

I mean if you remove flyers or any ability to speed up traversal on the bigger maps like CI and Gen 2

That is pretty much what you looking for

[south lance]

eh

[untold totem]

No need to patch over some DLCs that will break the game

[south lance]

the meta breaks with or without this

wc will never be able to properly balance pvp

the game is too free

[untold totem]

Scratch that I prefer breaking meta

[dense saddle]

meta... is a joke anyway

[south lance]

on this point tho, i have basically traversed 80% of CI on foot in ~2 weeks casually, if i had a kit i probably wouldve done the whole map in that time

it takes like 2 hours ish to go across each biome

^if you arent impeded by cold or cliffs

which is really just a grapple issue

[blissful perch]

Every ark 1 map can be explored in about 20 minutes in singleplayer with one PT

[gritty barn]

thats a w fr

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ I’m just saying that travel times matter as much or more than the sq km of map size

[stray elm]

Fallout: New Vegas is a very small map, yet feels decently large due to you needing to walk everywhere.

[tropic forge]

yeh its works cause aint multi and you dont build

[blissful perch]

Ab worked and it’s small. Bad argument

[tropic forge]

sorry ab is far from being small

[stray elm]

Ab is very small.
It's actually no bigger then The-Island

Ab just has a lot of height and depth.

[tropic forge]

unless youre afraid of blue zone ab aint small at all

[blissful perch]

^is it smaller than the island if oceans are included?

[blissful perch]

He’s talking about sq km. The ACTUAL map size. Ab is one of the smallest maps by square km

[stray elm]

If we're including the ocean, then The-Island is actually bigger.

Again, what makes Ab big is the traversal.

If you compare the actual dimensions of the two maps, they're around the same.
Again, Ab just can go higher and deeper then The-Island can.

[gritty barn]

the island is pretty big

[tropic forge]

well if you count top side its big

[gritty barn]

in general its kinda of big

[tropic forge]

but anyway for a game thats multi whit free building it need size and as for resources yes travel speed matters, it would suck to spend 2h going back to your base after farming something precious

[blissful perch]

A large chunk of Ab (the surface) is unbuildable. Another large chunk isn’t in the play space, whereas the whole square of the island is play area

Instant travel makes the PvE a joke

[tropic forge]

not instant travel on ark that would sucks unless its made by you like on ark 1

[blissful perch]

Just don’t have all the resources in a single area and that helps with conflicts over where to build

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 has nearly instant travel

With any of the current gliders/fliers you can cross most maps in 5-10 minutes. And that’s corner to corner

[tropic forge]

yeh but you gotta earn the engram and build 2 teleports

[stray elm]

He's talking about how fast fliers are

[leaden ocean]

got any good pve island map servers?

[stray elm]

Certainly not for ARK-2.

[tropic forge]

well thats whit a flyer im talking about resource transportation

[blissful perch]

#800537627752398899

[blissful perch]

Which…you can do on a flier

[tropic forge]

yeh but tiny bits or suppose to be tiny bits of weight

[blissful perch]

I didn’t even mention stryders or using other tek because they won’t be in ark 2

[sonic elbow]

The Island is very small. It seems bigger because all the creatures are slow. Take a DLC creature onto The Island and you'll explore all of it in a ridiculously short amount of time.

[blissful perch]

Exactly: travel times shrink maps

[tropic forge]

well you have quetz for weight but after the fly nerf that was bronto whit wings it was bad for transport resources

[split dove]

even more than it already is

[tropic forge]

well lets not forget you can make now huge but i mean huge size maps whit unreal 5 so i dont think they will start whit a map like the island now

[blissful perch]

“Bad” because people gathered with whatever was fastest

Argis were faster after their TLC and had more metal weight for example. 🤷‍♂️

[tropic forge]

i used to farm metal whit and anky + quetz before that argy tlc but even whit argy still depends what map and distance of metal from your base

having the ability to earn a way of having something you can build to make a teleport to your base would be nice

[blissful perch]

No I’m quite all right never having teleporters

I’d rather be able to haul more back in a single trip and make less trips

Make me take 2 hours to do a mat run but have it be something I don’t have to do all the time to stay afloat

[tropic forge]

not seeing that happen, ark 1 was a resource consumer and ark 2 will be too

[blissful perch]

Source - dude just trust me

Because the eternal gathering trips nature of ark 1 is intrinsic to the series 😂

[past wind]

I’d like both. Handcrafted + procedural land. The bigger the better.

[unborn galleon]

DLSS was anounced by wildcard in 2018... Still no dlss? and Ark 2 with DLSS??? 😆

[tropic forge]

you want to fry our pc's and consoles?

[unborn galleon]

fry why?

[tropic forge]

you gonna probably need a 3080 or 90 to play ark 2 minimal 🤣

[unborn galleon]

uhmm 2080 will do at 1440p with dlss

i own a 4090 and know dlss will be needed since wildcard does a very shitty job optimizing games

[tropic forge]

well they add the excuse of the engine now will see

[past wind]

Yeah, just another pr mess

[unborn galleon]

any user with a 2000 series and up will benefit greatly

with Dlss

[tropic forge]

i have a 3090 suprim but dont wanna stress it whit a game like ark cause thats way too many hours working constantly

[past wind]

Nah… the best DLSS so far is the third version. It doubles the FPS on CPU bound games (Ark is a cpu bound game).

[potent hull]

hay charliealpha you aver her of a guy name juice head

[tropic forge]

my ryzen 9 5900x dint make much impact on genesis 2 map even on rockwell fight altought i was getting more frames than the rest 🤣

[potent hull]

hi fox

being fox to day lol

[tropic forge]

sup blades

[potent hull]

i found this video can you let me no what you think of it

if is reail new or not

[past wind]

That’s the issue. Ark hits harder on one core. The DLSS helps a lot on that. But unfortunately it’s an exclusive tech for the 4000 series.

[past wind]

No

[potent hull]

oreos

[worldly garden]

The next Xbox Games Showcase 2023 is expected to be January 25 at 9 AM PT / 12 PM ET.

Doubt we'll see ARK 2 though, when Dollie says it's still a while out I feel that means a few months rather than this month.

[potent hull]

see i was Right

[worldly garden]

You were a rat? 🐀

[potent hull]

no i meant was i was Right

[stray elm]

We'll see.

I 'hope' we'll get something

Cause honestly, the more and more of lack of information we get, the less I'm interested in ARK-2.

[potent hull]

stay tune for more news on ark 2 with bootleg at 10am lol

[stray elm]

I still have no idea what you're saying

[worldly garden]

Well there was no right or wrong, we all knew about the rumoured Xbox event in January.

[potent hull]

most on her did not

[stray elm]

Yeah, I didn't.

[split dove]

i'm not expecting anything ark 2 related from it, but i'm gonna watch it anyways for updates on other games i'm looking forward to

[stray elm]

I'm personally looking forward to Sons-of-the-Forest more then ARK-2 at this point.

[potent hull]

dont you men you what to see the game that a bout you flobs the game coming to you lol

i her it will be a fun game

[split dove]

how could i forget about the classic ''waffle baking simulator'' game starring me, made by me and voice acted by a pidgeon

[potent hull]

i no way you eat it

[tropic crag]

Did you see the gameplay thingy that IGN put out? I am in love with Kelvin

[fallow niche]

Please move offtopic to general.

[stray elm]

Can I DM you?

[tropic crag]

Sure

You never have to ask, btw. I'm not like that lmao

[potent hull]

hay gp do you think the way be build and the way we com to no how to build in ark 1 will it be more or les the same in ark 2 or will there be more things for build are home like nails or there thing like that

[earnest loom]

with ark two there will be no big cave loading pauses right?

[stray elm]

We don't know if ARK-2 will even have caves

[potent hull]

if it did one will be name the boot leg cave

[stray elm]

I don't get the joke.
Why would anything be named after me?

[potent hull]

is name after you if a player go in to the cave they loos a leg

[stray elm]

[earnest loom]

Good point. I hope it will though.

[iron sequoia]

I mean no cave’s would be a real hit to the heart

[tropic forge]

damn ppl really want go primal, bows caves and trailer already show wall paint so yeh 🤣

[iron sequoia]

Decor and customisation is important

[potent hull]

i want a fox skin sow i can be a fox lol

[iron sequoia]

[thick moat]

Would be weird if there were no caves don't you think

[stray elm]

Not really

Sure, they're normalized in ARK-1.
But they're not important.

The last two DLC's didn't have caves.

[tropic crag]

What is: Rockwell's Innards biome

Now I'll take caves for 500

[stray elm]

Do you consider our digestive system to be a cave?

[iron sequoia]

I want caves
They are fun

[tropic crag]

Yes

Do you not?

[iron sequoia]

If I’m a tiny person yea

[stray elm]

"a large underground chamber, typically of natural origin, in a hillside or cliff."

I would more consider his biome to be 'big ass meaty tubes'

[tropic crag]

I'm going moreso by a reasonably modern classification

[stray elm]

What isn't modern about that?

[tropic crag]

✅ Usually wet
✅ Cold
✅ Dark
✅ Maybe a lil stinky

Could be warm too I guess but

Either way, hard disagree that caves aren't important

[stray elm]

AYO! A lot of stuff can be considered a 'cave' with those implications. 👀

[tropic crag]

Half the game is spent getting things from or going into caves, how does that denote "not important" is all I'm saying

[stray elm]

Cause in ARK-1, really the only reason to go into them is for exclusive stuff, like artifacts or tames.
Resource wise they usually hold nothing special.
And the only reason why most people build in them is for tactical reasonings of A: having indestructible meshes around you. B: to stop people from progressing from the map to get tek.
Depending on what they want out of ARK-2, the progression could be tied to missions instead of caves, and the tames could be placed somewhere else if they wanted to.

[tropic crag]

True, the only reason I go into the pearl cave is for artifacts, actually same for the tek cave 😂

I'm just saying that it's a little silly to not want caves in the game with what... admittedly strange reasoning you've submitted thus far, other than the building bit which could easily be remedied

Not to mention, some creatures would be extremely out of place if not found in caves, imo

[stray elm]

Oh, I'm not saying I don't 'want' caves in ARK-2.
I'm just saying they're technically not 'essential' to ARK.

[tropic crag]

And I disagree, what with them being absolutely necessary in Ark 1 to progress, aka essential

[stray elm]

Sorry, I meant essential to ARK-2. If they're going a different wrought of progression.

[tropic crag]

I mean, the fact that we see a cave in the very first trailer tells me a different story, tbh

[stray elm]

Oh shit, I forgor that.

Maybe it's a one-off cave?

[tropic crag]

I would not be surprised if there's an instanced cave that is for story related elements, like talking to NPCs or storing small amounts of things, or even changing your build, like a respec cave

[stray elm]

True

Hope we get more creepy areas in ARK-2.

[split dove]

creepy alien caves on Arat, i'm down for that

[stray elm]

Not gonna lie, was kind of disappointed with Rockwell's innards.
Place looked more like it was made out of gum then flesh.

[unborn galleon]

what are u talking about dlss started with the 2000 series cards, they support DLSS 2.0 and 4000 series support 3.0

the gain from 2.0 is like 30-40 fps

3.0 is like 60+

[neat bough]

iwhen ark 2 coming out

[split dove]

still just 2023, no specific month yet

[stray elm]

@tropic crag What'd you think of more creep factors in ARK-2?

[earnest loom]

i agree. I've never had any huge mishaps around base, and have never been unlucky accept caves. I feel like you need to have some amount of unlucky to the game. That's why i like caves.

[blissful perch]

I agree caves aren’t essential to ark

If missions can keep the challenge higher than the normal overworld, caves are no longer needed. Cool as a biome and a terrain feature ofc, but caves are no more integral to ark than a swamp or a mountain or an ocean

[split dove]

i could see the world event system being a reimagined take on the interactable events/missions that replaces caves but isn't the always repeatable style like genesis missions.
We already know they will happen and occur and that it's up to us to decide to interact with them or not.
Some of the examples from the founders note are very interesting

[blissful perch]

World events are going to be an excellent alternative to the fixed location events of ark 1 that were camped and farmed like so many metal nodes

[thick moat]

There are though

Volcano biome has caves on gen1, gen2 has some too

[earnest loom]

i would not say an ocean is essential

[thick moat]

I was mostly referring to just natural caves on the map, depending on how the map is structured, it would be weird that caves didn't exist on arat

[earnest loom]

agreed.

[past wind]

I was talking about the DLSS3. Regular DLSS is just ok, doesn't work that good with cpu bound games like Ark.

[blissful perch]

no biome in particular is essential was my point

[earnest loom]

Ah, I see.

[tropic crag]

I'd be pretty hard pressed to think that our first encounters (pun intended) with the alien wildlife wouldn't be scary enough most likely

[tropic crag]

That's... an interesting take, to put it lightly, lol

I'd easily argue that survival games (sandbox ones especially) need biome diversity more than any other mechanic/feature I can think of, besides maybe a food and water system 😅

[stray elm]

I think their point was no single biome is essential in ARK.
Just biome diversity.

[tropic crag]

Maybe I don't understand, but saying that no biome is essential and then saying biome diversity is is a little contradictory, lol

[stray elm]

He's saying no 'single' biome is essential.

We've had maps without individual biomes like forests, deserts, artic regions, etc.

[blissful perch]

thank you for explaining while I cook dinner

[tropic crag]

But those were part of the greater whole (Ark 1), were they not?

[blissful perch]

biome diversity is "ABCD > AB" where ABC and D are biomes

[stray elm]

Some maps don't have them

[blissful perch]

I'm arguing A being excluded in favor of a new biome E is totally fine and isn't an issue

if ABCD becomes EBCD, it's fine. A isn't what's special

[stray elm]

Scorched doesn't have a forest.
Aberration doesn't have an artic region.
Genesis 1-2 doesn't have a desert region.

[lavish rain]

and these hands don't have a soft region

[blissful perch]

point being, having many biomes is good, but no specific biome is essential imo

[south lance]

no tek biome 😔

[stray elm]

Hell, all of those can be scrapped for original, alien-based biomes. And will still feel good as long as it's diverse.

[south lance]

i dont think thatd be possible

[stray elm]

We're talking hypothetically here.

[tropic crag]

Eh, I still want caves. Theme them however the hell you want, I want caves

[stray elm]

Oh, we where talking about biomes in general.

Again, I'd be happy to see pretty caves in ARK-2.
But it wouldn't be the end of the world to me if they where removed.

[tropic crag]

The original point was caves, if you scroll up a lil bit

Caves being a biome

[stray elm]

Well, yes.
But I believe Shifter moved it towards biomes in general.

[stray elm]

.....Touché

[untold ingot]

Caves and large bodies of water are things I want, but also canyons would be nice

[lavish rain]

Meh screw caves

[stray elm]

You're screwing caves?!?!?!

Ayo, at least use protection first.

[tropic crag]

He screws caves, you heard it here first

[stray elm]

Sooo that's what they mean with 'Rock-Fuckers'

[untold totem]

I mean... The caves needs a fixing

[lavish rain]

Caves are mid game mechanics

[stray elm]

Then why're you fucking them?

[tropic crag]

No building, boom fixed

[stray elm]

Lotus is certainly fixing them in his own 'little' way

[lavish rain]

The wizard will give me free supplies if I do

[stray elm]

You know what?
Fair.

[granite heath]

Anybody else think ark 2 is gonna be proper dog water or just me?

[south lance]

nah tons agree with you, just not the majority of people in this channel

seems to be the most common thing gamers are capable of

[blissful perch]

in what way? im curious

[granite heath]

Instead of improving the game they already have they move onto new projects which in conclusion means one of two things, they don’t know to fix it or just don’t want to

[lyric kayak]

they cant fix it

[south lance]

improve what

[lyric kayak]

fixing it would be creating a new game

[south lance]

meta has been gone

[lyric kayak]

they are doing the right thing here

[south lance]

theres nothing to save

[stray elm]

"Game development be like-"

[late river]

they are suppose to only make one game and never set sights on making a better game?

[blissful perch]

hmm. But we both agree ark 1 is far from a perfect product right?

[south lance]

its not just far from perfect

[tropic crag]

Yeah, they could've just improved the game made on the decaying engine, those lazy bastards! /s

[stray elm]

At some point, a game becomes so outdated that it's no longer financially, or technologically worth updating anymore.

[granite heath]

Yes

[lyric kayak]

are 1 is not even close to perfect

[late river]

please do tell me what game is perfect?

[south lance]

its literally unhealthy

[lyric kayak]

its my favorite game but its not at all close

[granite heath]

Can I ask how many of you have played official? Or at least have 1k hours on official pvp

[lyric kayak]

I have 4k hours on official pvp

mostly ab

[granite heath]

For me 16k

[south lance]

like half the people here are some thousand hours on offi

[stray elm]

This is why Windows has different versions, this is why game sequels are a thing.
Things just don't last forever.

[tropic crag]

As if that matters at all, lmao

[stray elm]

ARK is a nearly decade old game.

[granite heath]

It matters

[lyric kayak]

yeah you can get a lot of playtime in

[tropic crag]

It really doesn't

[lyric kayak]

I just dont play it because of duping

still my favorite game though

[granite heath]

Explain to me why it does not matter

[tropic crag]

Explain to me why it does

[lyric kayak]

it does not matter too much if you are a hardcore player

[late river]

you opinion doesnt matter if you dont play on shitty settings?

[lyric kayak]

games generally want to please the masses

[south lance]

there is no masses here

[lyric kayak]

this is litteraly the number 1 survival game

[south lance]

most people dont play survival mmo

[lyric kayak]

wdym no masses?

[granite heath]

Better validates your opinion you can’t come in here talking about something without ever have experienced that something, that’s like me talking about pve and not once playing pve

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

That's a far lie.
It's in the top 5, but not the first

[lyric kayak]

is it a lie though?

[fallow niche]

Try bringing it back on topic, please

[granite heath]

Medieval dynasty is pretty fun

[stray elm]

Actually, ARK is 6th place of most played Survival game

[stray elm]

Yes

[lyric kayak]

I think we are on topic

[stray elm]

Minecraft technically has first place.
But if you want to count only 'real' survival games, then Valheim is right behind Minecraft.

[fallow niche]

Not on Ark 2, no

[south lance]

ark1 as it is only could be fine if they culled off pvp tbh, pve is what the game could handle way better because balance isnt an issue

[stray elm]

This whole discussion is about 'why does this person think ARK-2 is going to be bad?'

[lyric kayak]

yeah

[granite heath]

^^

[lyric kayak]

ark 2 just needs the diplodocus to be useful

why is it so useless rn

[stray elm]

TRUE

[south lance]

theres just so much content that was intended to be useful but gets powercreeped in a year

diplo at least was always known to be useless

[fallow niche]

If they have diplodocus

[lyric kayak]

diplo was useful on legacy to soak

but then you could get shot off turrets and the dino died

[stray elm]

And to transport a whole tribe

[lyric kayak]

shot off the dino

[stray elm]

It's the only 11-seeter creature in the game.

[lyric kayak]

but thats only cool in pve

[granite heath]

The andrew was the worst and best addition to the game

Are any of you currently playing official pvp?

[lyric kayak]

I dont know current meta

[stray elm]

I used to, but retired years ago.

[granite heath]

Beware of flying noglins

Yes noglins can fly

[lyric kayak]

huh

[stray elm]

Yep

[fallow niche]

Keep it relevant to ark 2

[blissful perch]

I'd say some of the worst litmus tests for ark 2 are asking players who devoted so much time to ark 1 they find any deviation to be an affront to the series

[south lance]

^

[lyric kayak]

as long as it has cross server pvp it will be good

[stray elm]

Okay, 'now' it's swaying away from ARK-2

[south lance]

you wouldnt play 20k hours if you didnt think the game was basically perfect

[lyric kayak]

the more hours you have the less perfect you think it is

[blissful perch]

I'm sure WC has data on average playtime, but the top 1% of players by playtime will be a crummy way to identify what will be a huge hit in ark 2

[south lance]

and its sorta a proof of concept that balance isnt nevessary

[granite heath]

ima talk about ark in the ark chat

[blissful perch]

it's prolly a bell curve

[south lance]

you can see the issues pretty early on

[blissful perch]

people with 0 hours know nothing, at some point you can pretty clearly see things are broken, and at a certain higher number of hours you simply don't care lol

[lyric kayak]

there is a lot of power creep

reapers are useless

[south lance]

after a while you find the practical ways to handle those issues

and eventually it becomes second nature

[lyric kayak]

I hope in ark 2 they dont add broken dinos. or if they do they need to buff the other ones

[fallow niche]

Everyone in ark 2 is going to be bobs again and I'm really excited for it.

[blissful perch]

if only that mattered

it only lasts for an extremely short period of time, and poof it's gone

[untold ingot]

I'm already a Bob in ark1 😂

[lyric kayak]

ark 2 launch will feel similar to ark poc

[stray elm]

No

[lyric kayak]

everyone is going to take ark2 launch very serious

[south lance]

so when a bob is like "why should something take so much time to raise" thats not even an issue that could make sense to you because youve optimized breeding so hard and are already in tribes that are full of perfect hatch tames

[stray elm]

But no tek.

[fallow niche]

In Bob we trust

[untold ingot]

In what way? The game will be totally different

[blissful perch]

the "fresh wipe" way

[fallow niche]

@granite heath no.

[stray elm]

Does this make me god on my cluster, if my current character is the default survivor called "Bob the Human?"

[lyric kayak]

in the way that everyone is going to be min maxing their time.

[blissful perch]

it's true, and tbh it's sad

[lyric kayak]

its going to be fun

[blissful perch]

then again, that's the PvP grindset

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's hard to min max when you don't know anything about it

[blissful perch]

no explorer notes would be 👌

[stray elm]

I think I'd be nice to keep them for lore purposes. But removing their double-XP shit.

[lyric kayak]

the meta dinos will probably be found out quick

but there are always sleeper picks

[south lance]

things like pvp grindset is why gamedevs dont need to give a shit anymore

[blissful perch]

agree on both points. Which again is a bit sad if the game is meant to be a sandbox

[south lance]

someone will always bankroll your garbage cause they wanna get good

[untold ingot]

I anticipate that there will be a small percentage of people who know the entire game within 24 hours of launch

[blissful perch]

for PvP? Nah they really don't

[stray elm]

GCM in single-player be like-

[untold ingot]

I don't have time to do that, so I doubt I'll do official pvp

[south lance]

i cant bring half my experience with this shit here cause its from the mobile landfill

[lyric kayak]

I bet people are going to be mass taming females right away lol

[untold ingot]

Which really sucks because it is fun

[untold ingot]

It'll be funny if breeding isn't viable lol

[south lance]

though you could argue this is why valorant exists and so many pvp devs want to get into espoets

[granite heath]

When is ark 2 set to release?

[south lance]

this year

[lyric kayak]

It would be cool if tamed dinos could compete with bred dinos

[fallow niche]

Hope they add better taming than just run up and spam E or KO it

[stray elm]

When I used to play PvP, when Extinction dropped me and my group tried to go onto a server as fast as we can, while having one person in a single-player telling us all of the new stuff, and flying around the map for decent spots.
God, I hope that doesn't happen in ARK-2

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I second that motion

[lyric kayak]

maybe the higher bred dinos get too domesticated and lose certain stats lol

[untold ingot]

Ko taming and basic passive taming is the worst

[lyric kayak]

well ark 2 might be different

[fallow niche]

It gets so boring?? Let me sit next to this dino for 2h spaming E.

[lyric kayak]

ark 1 the standard is KO

[south lance]

taming in ark1 was developed well for how easily tames are lost

[lyric kayak]

but there are a lot of different ways to tame dinos in ark 1

[south lance]

its easily The most mass producable taming method, KO

[stray elm]

They've more or less confirmed taming is different in ARK-2. With the Founder's-blog part of the ARK-2 CC

[lyric kayak]

maybe each dino will be different

[south lance]

you just need 1 good longneck and 30 minutes of narc farm

and some stone for trap

[lyric kayak]

or maybe the new standard for taming will be different, like all dinos can be tamed the same way a diplo can, passive or ko.

[south lance]

the only issue is how long it takes

since i dont think KO has the accelerated feed rate that passive gets

[lyric kayak]

or maybe all dinos are tamed like otters

[fallow niche]

That's the point, I kind of enjoyed the different taming ways they started adding.

Whoops I hit send instead of turning off ping. Sorry.

[lyric kayak]

some dinos are too hard to tame for how useless they are

[south lance]

i dont want to touch half of those taming methods because none of those dinos will be worth the effort because some goober had already bred them to cap on day 2

[stray elm]

They had heavy emphasis on a random-encounter system that everyone will be able to experience.
And one of the random-encounters stated 'injured animals'
So my own personal guess is that we can either take it for an easy kill, or tame and recover said injured animal.
They also flatout stated we'll need to steal eggs from nests. So nest stealing might become the new KO system

[south lance]

they are way too much effort for their value

with how devalued tames are, i like the methods to be cheap and easy too

[fallow niche]

Yoinking eggs isn't always fun either, gets super repetitive too.

[south lance]

fucking nuke breeding efficacy, and how mass producable bred tames are, and then fine exotic taming methods are cool

[lyric kayak]

if i were to give it my best guess, ko will still be standard. because it is part of ark lore to ko dinos and feed them.

[south lance]

maybe have exotic raising methods

certain dinos arent just hard to feed cause they need 30000 meat a minute for a day or because they need something thats impossible to harvest easily

[stray elm]

Speak for yourself.
Yeah, it was annoying with Wyverns since you couldn't breed them.
But now they're not so bad, since you can just find pairs of high levels and breed them in captivity.

[south lance]

like all babies act the same

its just shoving food into it until it can eat from a trough

maybe some parasitic baby would be cool

[fallow niche]

Adding breeding is the only reason it's not bad anymore.

[lyric kayak]

maybe they have different taming methods for different types of dinos. like herbivore, carnivore, flyer, bug, etc

[south lance]

like those wasps

reapers are the exotic raising system i can imagine

[lyric kayak]

like reapers

[south lance]

ya

[lyric kayak]

people know the easy strats and its just extra steps

its annoying

only 6 months left huh?

[south lance]

till june ya

hopefully it means info soon

im surprised you were ablr to get the link through

[gentle monolith]

magic

[south lance]

i copied it, before the mod deletes it

[lyric kayak]

you are nooblets?

[gentle monolith]

@lime forge

[gentle monolith]

no lol

Just he expresses what i think

[lyric kayak]

they should not remove cross server stransfers

[gentle monolith]

They should be altered tho

[stray elm]

How the fuck did you post a link?

[lyric kayak]

how do you think

[gentle monolith]

not sure

copied and pasted it

[lyric kayak]

I think no uploading would be nice

[gentle monolith]

glitch in the matrix

[lyric kayak]

upload to ark data is bad

as long as the spawns cant be built on

[gentle monolith]

ye

[stray elm]

Nooblet's have also been salty as fuck for the past few years.
So they're obviously going to be a bit harsh on ARK-2.

[lyric kayak]

also

transmitters made transfers opressive

and tps

if people are trying to hard wipe you they bring tps

[gentle monolith]

yeah?

Def sucks

[lyric kayak]

and set up a massive fob basically the same defensive level as a normal base

you have to place spam on every spot a good base might be

[gentle monolith]

people can just transmit all their good stuff before you finish raiding as well

[lyric kayak]

yeah

[gentle monolith]

Thats an opinion but he's just an ark player like yourself, why would his opinion be discredited or something cause you dont like him?

[lyric kayak]

nooblets is a pve player

[stray elm]

It's discredited when you're not thinking of all sides, and only negativity.

[stray elm]

Ayo, that gives us a bad name.

[gentle monolith]

But he doesn't only think negatively. In fact in the video he praises what he thinks is good

[gentle monolith]

pve players deserve opinions too

[lyric kayak]

I know

[stray elm]

I'll need to watch the video, but he's been only shitting on ARK for the last two years, and so I kind of stopped watching him.
I watch him for tutorials, not for him to go on a rant 'then' start his tutorials.

[tropic crag]

If only all Ark players knew this lol

[gentle monolith]

Fair

[gentle monolith]

Lol

[lyric kayak]

most people are pve

but pvp players love cross server pvp

conan servers all die so fast

[stray elm]

Lets not get confused.

[lyric kayak]

no transfers

[gentle monolith]

Where can I go to complain about a false warn

[stray elm]

Most people on official are PvP based.
But if we're counting single-player users, then yes, a majority are PvE based.
Not a huge amount difference, like a 52% out of 48%, but technically ARK does have a slightly bigger PvE community as a whole.

[lyric kayak]

I will play ark 2 if it has no transfers, but I will quit in a month

[stray elm]

Warnings from the discord?

[gentle monolith]

Ye

[stray elm]

Dodo-Mail

[lyric kayak]

wdym?

[untold ingot]

It's like 20% bigger or more last I heard

[stray elm]

Could be that high

Point is, there's enough diversity that both sides need love.

[gentle monolith]

Got warned for "bypassing the filter" that I didn't even know existed cause their f'ed up server just let me post it.

[lyric kayak]

I feel like they need to improve pvp in a way that pve players want to play it

[untold ingot]

I am hoping there is more accessibility for casual pvp too

[lyric kayak]

I just feel like a game is not fun if you are not competing with other players

why does everyone not like pvp?

[split dove]

If it's the same pvp community I might just try it out once and never go back 😂

[stray elm]

Cause not everyone like being competitive.

[untold ingot]

I agree, but I don't want to compete with the entire world while working my job and doing school and life on top

[stray elm]

If you want a purely competitive game, then Call of Duty exists for a reason.

[lyric kayak]

you can have a tribe

[untold totem]

I mean he has some fair points

ATLAS bombed yet it is ambitious at it's time

The Souls combat proved to not compatible with ARK now that FromSoft nerf the Multi Boss fights from an ARK like slog fest to "wait until your buddy dies" AI

[stray elm]

How the fuck does that make it 'not' competitive?

[lyric kayak]

this type of game

[stray elm]

Some people just don't like the idea of wasting hours to build up, then getting wiped the next day.

[lyric kayak]

ark, rust, conan, citadel forged with fire, v rising.

[untold ingot]

That is arks redeeming quality, but most good tribes are too structured for it to be fun

[stray elm]

Some people want to enjoy the other mechanics in the game then the meta.

[lyric kayak]

pvp survival games

[stray elm]

Conan's PvP is fucking dead

It's mostly PvE players now, with PvE-based updates.

[lyric kayak]

conans pvp is dead because no transfers

conan is more balanced than ark

[untold ingot]

Rust survives because it wipes weekly lol

[stray elm]

Funny, cause it has transfers now.

[untold totem]

Zombie update go brrr lol

[stray elm]

And yet, it's still dead.

[lyric kayak]

thats just because of the type of systems rust has

its meant to wipe

[untold ingot]

Hopefully you aren't making the statement that no transfers is balanced lol

[lyric kayak]

no transfers kills pvp survival games

[untold totem]

No transfers is never balanced

[lyric kayak]

it does not kill rust because of wipes

[stray elm]

And Rust is a purely competitive game.
It has no PvE features, hints why people like the PvP of the game.
"Cause it's only fucking PvP"

[untold ingot]

I like the idea of limited transfers, but there has to be transfers

[lyric kayak]

yeah

how would they limit it?

[stray elm]

Aberration

[lyric kayak]

ur right

the drops are hard

[stray elm]

Aberration was a good start of limited transfers

[untold ingot]

Well, not being able to transfer a slot cap of gear would be a way

[spare geode]

Isn't supposed to be more primitive

[lyric kayak]

and there will not be transmitters

[ripe cedar]

Player only transfers, no items or dinos

[tawny juniper]

That’s garbage could never fob

[lyric kayak]

no thats bad

[spare geode]

Damnnn

[stray elm]

Nah, that'd be boring.

[tawny juniper]

There is no way to fob a mega tribe without bringing supplies

[spare geode]

[untold ingot]

True, it would be hard for bigger tribes. But I am thinking more for casual pvp

[stray elm]

I can see 'no transferring dino's or items once it hits a certain stat threshold'

[untold ingot]

I couldn't see that

[tawny juniper]

The Devs already fuck over 1x never fix shit and kill the game that would 100% finish it off

[lyric kayak]

there are ways to implement systems so tribes dont get so big. look at rust decay system.

[untold totem]

Let official die

[spare geode]

I just hope it's not 250gb lol

[ripe cedar]

Wasn’t even a thing until 2017 though

[untold ingot]

I think more ways to limit server claiming needs to be a thing

[stray elm]

Yes, it's called 'wipes'

[tawny juniper]

Nothing wrong with large tribes and that is often why players come to 1x fighting with 70 people on a side is so fun when cheating isn’t happening

[untold ingot]

I don't like wipes lol

[stray elm]

Atlas has a interesting system that (normally) they wipe their servers once a year, and create a new season

[stray elm]

Didn't ask.

[tawny juniper]

Notice fobs didn’t exist as we know it people just held their servers and never got wiped

[lyric kayak]

no im talking about having to put resources into your TC so your base does not decay

[ripe cedar]

Like i have said just have wipe servers and non wipe servers

[untold ingot]

I agree with this. But the issue of entirely claiming servers is a big issue

[spare geode]

[untold ingot]

Wipe servers in ark are honestly less popular than no wipe ones

[tawny juniper]

I don’t think there is a problem with it just think that the exploits to drop server so you can’t fight it is a problem

[untold totem]

PVP who cried about wipes need a reality check

They gonna get wiped regardless

So why try to keep your progress and give yourself an unfair advantage against starting players/tribes

[lyric kayak]

ark 1 servers can only hold 70 people, I dont even feel like they wanted that many people in a tribe

[untold ingot]

It makes casual pvp not a thing. So it kind of shuts out an entire group of people

[tawny juniper]

I don’t raise tames that take 10 days and raise fridges of Dino’s so they get wiped we play to hold servers fight wars and enjoy the game

[tawny juniper]

There is empty 1x servers everywhere

Half of ice caves open

[untold totem]

There is no such thing as "casual" pvp on official servers

Only on restricted unofficials

[lyric kayak]

should the game be faster paced like rust? where you really dont care too much about your base because you can just make a new one? no I think bases should be long lasting

[tawny juniper]

^

[untold ingot]

An ice cave is not casual pvp lol

[lyric kayak]

what do you guys think about caves?

in general I think nobody should be able to build in caves

[untold ingot]

Caves as base locations is broken lol

[tawny juniper]

tames take to long to raise for “casual PvP” if you can’t hold 1 cave you can’t play 1x

[spare geode]

no c4

[tawny juniper]

It’s 6x all caves can be wiped online they fine

[untold ingot]

That is my point

[lyric kayak]

cave pvp is not fun

[tawny juniper]

But that is why it’s 1x and tribes are uncapped

[lyric kayak]

you can hold a cave with 1 person

[tawny juniper]

Cap

[lyric kayak]

plant z

and narc nades

[untold ingot]

I did that in my time lol, I held a 1x ice cave solo for like a month. But then life got busy

[lyric kayak]

and basilisk

so many cheese dinos to spam at you in a cave entrence

[tawny juniper]

Fort and shadowmanes 2. 69v1 you can’t hold 3. Caging 4. You can throw more tames than them

[untold ingot]

I really hope the cave meta isn't a thing in ark2 though

It's really not a fun way to play

[lyric kayak]

when is it ever 1 v 69 lol

[tawny juniper]

Pushing most caves is enjoyable only island ice is boring to push

[tawny juniper]

I’ve seen 70v2 before on 1x

[untold ingot]

That's how I got wiped lol

[lyric kayak]

the 2 should not stand a chance

[split dove]

"Breaking news: all caves on Arat have mysteriously collapsed in on themselves"

[untold ingot]

I want caves, I just don't want them to be viable base locations

[lyric kayak]

also for pve its bad

[tawny juniper]

The problem with 1x bases is that racers are to strong

[lyric kayak]

I want no build zones in every single cave

[untold ingot]

Just no cryos and no tps makes caves not viable

[lyric kayak]

thats a problem with the raising system in general

YESSSS

[tawny juniper]

That makes a cave unraidable

You can’t throw a tame in a cave

Which makes loot 100% safe

[lyric kayak]

which means they wont allow building

yess

[untold ingot]

You can't throw tames out either

[tawny juniper]

You can’t run 100 heavies

[untold ingot]

I don't want defenses to be heavies lol

[lyric kayak]

well ark 2 is different, maybe no crouch caves

[untold ingot]

Ark2 is more prim focused, so hopefully auto turrets aren't a thing

[lyric kayak]

what will they do instead?

[tawny juniper]

So you want Dino’s to be the only defense?

[lyric kayak]

I hope plant x makes a return, it prob will.

[untold ingot]

I don't have a system in mind yet

[lyric kayak]

velos

[tawny juniper]

I really think some people should play 1x or smalls and then comment on what PVP “should” be

[untold ingot]

Plant based turrets or something, so that flame arrows or similar things work

[lyric kayak]

I have all my hours on official

pvp

[tawny juniper]

Not specifically y’all just some shit I read earlier

Some of the shit I read was crazy AF

[lyric kayak]

I agree though

[untold ingot]

Basically same. I have played literally every way ark can get played. I think it's not currently fun

[split dove]

Pvp should be drasticly different than it's now

[tawny juniper]

I think the only problem is the cheating

Ark would be 10x better if cheating wasn’t an issue

[untold ingot]

Ark pvp currently is pushing turret limits and fighting with spam. It's not really fun

[lyric kayak]

I liked when plats were meta

[untold ingot]

Well, it is. But there is no variety

[lyric kayak]

alpha plat on rag

[tawny juniper]

Fortnite with turret capping soaking with mek rush is decent but pushing caves is fun AF

[lyric kayak]

or the plat next to the castle

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but it gets old fast

[tawny juniper]

Running with Deino in pearl pushing crystal ETC

[lyric kayak]

I like the idea of land claiming with structures

[tawny juniper]

Only thing that gets old fast is the cheats that drop server

[lyric kayak]

it works in ark 1 well

its just so easy to make 2k metal foundations lol

[untold ingot]

I don't think it works well lol

[split dove]

Almost nothing works well lol

[untold ingot]

There are too many exploits in the current game that hopefully get planned better in the next one

[tawny juniper]

^

[lyric kayak]

I like when the best way to raid a base is to drain the turrets with a soaker. I dont like quetz bombing, rocket running, or any cheese

[tawny juniper]

Exploiting and cheating is the biggest fix for me 2. Fix is not adding BS like Astros

[tawny juniper]

Proper turret settings prevent all of those unless you have mass people to rocket run

[lime forge]

Astrodelphis are one of the few tames I’m hoping to see return. Such a cool creature.

[untold ingot]

I like there being multiple ways to raid. But it should be an actual fight. That rarely happens outside of 1x and big raids on smalls

[tawny juniper]

Have you played official ark?

[lyric kayak]

I meant in caves

[lime forge]

Yeah why

[lyric kayak]

tek turrets are a good counter to rocket running

[tawny juniper]

Astros and shadowmanes I hope are completely removed

[lyric kayak]

but no tek in ark 2

maybe normal turrets will have knockback

[lime forge]

Those are the top 2 I want to see return haha

[lyric kayak]

lets think about prim plus meta, I think it relates more closely to ark 2

its just plant x spam lol

[untold ingot]

I think Astros and shadowmane are the level of quality I want to see in ark2. They are well made, if too op for ark1

[tawny juniper]

Astros are absolutely aids to kill and shadowmanes can solo rage a giga and if HP can get 220k and take less DMG they are both broken and didn’t add to the game

[untold ingot]

What I don't want to see is gigas and capping mutations

[tawny juniper]

they are too strong

[untold ingot]

I would love it if gear discrepancies aren't as dramatic too

[tawny juniper]

I want cap mutation but the points to be at 100-150 and not 254

[lyric kayak]

op dinos that aren't even dinos lol

[gentle monolith]

ye

[lyric kayak]

they tried to add the most op creature that lived and couldnt think of one so they made one up

[lime forge]

That’s in Ark 1, there’s no reason it needs to be like that in Ark 2.

[lyric kayak]

but it goes with th elore

[untold ingot]

I don't want it. Because it ends up being a race to see who has the most efficient afk gets the better creatures lol

It's not an enjoyable way to handle power scaling imo

[lyric kayak]

maybe a skill tree on dinos?

[desert swallow]

I think mutations should be more strategic and take up slots so you can specialize a dino in multiple ways.

yes like a skill tree

[lyric kayak]

conan has random stats assigned to mnpcs

[untold ingot]

That is what I am thinking lol. Instead of stat levels, the qualities of abilities that a Dino has is more interesting

And would be less broken imo

[lyric kayak]

it needs to be more clear when and how you get mutations. ark 1 requires every single dino you own to be in a google sheet.

[untold ingot]

I don't want the game to trivialize the pve side in pvp just because you have a good afk timer

[tawny juniper]

Would make the game cap out when you tame a Dino

Since you can’t make any better stats

[split dove]

And as we've already seen it's super power creep territory I'd rather get changed into a skill tree for dinos that can't get bred down so every creature isn't a "afk breed, raise hatch and destroy everything" from breeding and every Dino can be used uniquely

[lyric kayak]

its easier to balance dinos if they are not all at different power levels which are decided by how much the community breeds them.

[untold ingot]

If there is a system that allows you to breed in traits rather than flat stats. It would be a more interesting game

[tawny juniper]

Problem is then the “trait” of strength or whatever is either going to become a stat or you will get a few traits and then your done

[untold ingot]

I am basically entirely against the level/point method that ark uses currently

[lyric kayak]

yeah

how else do you do it

[tawny juniper]

Whatever system they use I believe it should be a long term based system

[lyric kayak]

I do agree, but not take litteral years to max a dino

[tawny juniper]

On a competitive level Ark is better when it takes time to work to get max stuff

[untold ingot]

I mean, I could write up an algorithm that still has duration, but isn't as completely broken

[tawny juniper]

RN with the current state to max a 3 day raise Dino Desmo it is going to take longer and total time about 8 months most likely to get 254 points into HP

[lyric kayak]

gigas are still not maxed yet

[tawny juniper]

Sorry my brain died it’s going to take less time

[lyric kayak]

are they?

[tawny juniper]

They have been maxed for over 1 year

[lyric kayak]

I did not know that

[untold ingot]

The issue I have with stat mutations is how utterly outclassed early tames are compared to a Dino that someone afked

[lyric kayak]

thats wild

how much melee?

[tawny juniper]

It’s not AFKee every mutation you need new females and the amount of time to stat push is insane and respect to breeders

It is an incredible amount of effort especially for gestation Dino’s

[lyric kayak]

breeders are crazy

[untold ingot]

I was a breeder lol, it is afk with timers, and that's it

[gentle monolith]

no im not

[lyric kayak]

lol I mean crazy in a good way

[gentle monolith]

lol

[tawny juniper]

Did you stat push?? Or just breed?

[untold ingot]

The basic principles of capping a Dino in ark1 is trivial

[untold ingot]

I capped velos on 1x

[tawny juniper]

1st getting 0/0 tames takes time and effort 2nd cloning or raising females and then getting them up with stats and getting them updated for every mutation is a lot of work

[lyric kayak]

yeah