ark-2

[spring saddle]

Nothing more

[worldly garden]

Yes, don't you see it as humour?

[spring saddle]

@worldly garden More looking like irony of the situation 🤣

[winged ocean]

PlayStation release date?

[lime forge]

Bro PlayStation might not even happen.

[split dove]

only one i can think of is the supposed one planned for early this year by Xbox

[somber oxide]

it will not

[inland oak]

for PS release, they dint tell that it wont release forever, so they might release bit of later maybe

maybe next year, after they really done good with early access

[blissful perch]

Favorite posts I read last night involved 1.) gatekeeping how many hours you should play a game before being allowed to get bored 2.) Dollie telling us that when she tries to be transparent with us the community manages to wildly misinterpret and find new ways to ignore the actual message 3.) Jat is the oracle

[lime forge]

There wasn’t a whole lot of transparency though.

[tropic crag]

Snail Games would like to have a word

Better dead than red (in the face with anger over no gameplay because Ark players act like children but also in the classical sense of anti-communist regimes I guess)

[cunning talon]

brb seeing if i can fit my head into my blender

[lime forge]

There’s another sign! We need to have margaritas ready for the gameplay footage that’s obviously coming soon or our margaritas would melt.

[keen canyon]

im kinda worried that we havent seen any gameplay yet

[lime forge]

My margaritas already melted

[keen canyon]

red dead

[lime forge]

Somebody tell the devs to make sure nomadic play styles are viable

[untold totem]

Not possible in any game tbh

Especially when there is PVP involved

[untold totem]

Ooor we just want transparency

Like any sensible consumer would

Unless you are ok getting disappointed once it is indeed out like any new games on released that over promised themselves

[tropic crag]

Have you bought the game yet? Because otherwise, you aren't legally (or whatsoever, for that matter) entitled to jack squat lmao, unlike the majority of the Ark playerbase seems to think

L take

[untold totem]

Lmao wat

[keen canyon]

its okay to be sceptical of a game if you havent seen any gameplay of it

[tropic crag]

She gave us transparency, as much as humanly possible, even

Feeling entitled to gameplay is clown behavior, all I'm saying

[untold totem]

Not really transparent enough

This is more No Man's Sky levels of over promising

[tropic crag]

Lmao

I can't with you guys

[untold totem]

Man you are bad at shilling tbh

[tropic crag]

This is too good

@split dove , @blissful perch , I apologize but GODDAMN lmao

This is just sad

[untold totem]

I dunno why you react so aggressive but 🤷

[split dove]

yay more comedic relief 🍿

[untold totem]

I mean he made a clown at himself tbh

[tropic crag]

And calling me a shill isn't? GG, I guess

Look in the mirror, homeslice. And they aren't overpromising shit, please tell me how saying they will show gameplay as the next thing to be shown is overpromising like NMS, lmao

[untold totem]

Hey I am discussing about why people need to see gameplay after so much long hype and promise then you resorted to name-calling like this

[keen canyon]

wait have they said that the next thing we see from ark 2 will be gameplay then?

[tropic crag]

Yes, they have. It's literally the last thing we heard about it 😂

Do you see why I'm appalled at the levels of butthurt being maintained in here now?

They were as transparent as can be, full stop

[worldly garden]

👀

[keen canyon]

i can see why they decided to change the game to third person

im guessing we will probably get the gameplay trailer at E3

[tropic crag]

If people are too blind to read a statement from a developer, that was shared around the Ark community like a wildfire, then that's on them. Dollie had no obligation to tell us we'd see gameplay literally ever, let alone make the post at all

[keen canyon]

well tbf if you want a sucessful game youre gonna have to show gameplay before release, but making a statement that they are releasing gameplay is comforting at least

[untold totem]

Even indie games do that

[keen canyon]

but im guessing we wont see the game til late next year anyways

[tropic crag]

I get a little disappointed reading takes like some in here, I thought Ark players were at least a smidge smarter than that

[keen canyon]

if the game was releasing earlier they wouldve wanted to show off the game by now

[blissful perch]

Some wack takes here

[keen canyon]

well take a game like hogwarts legacy, its gained a lot of hype from their gameplay showcases

[tropic crag]

Again, they don't have to show a thing. Games drop with little to no fanfare or trailers all the time, lol

[tropic crag]

Save me

[blissful perch]

Ark is large enough to be hype with literally nothing. As seen by all the times this chat is flooded after nothing happens

It would be nice to have gameplay, but it’s by no means a required step of game development or even transparency

[keen canyon]

well if youre making a sequel you dont want to only attract the people who played the first game, you also want to attract new players

[untold totem]

Mostly random wild guesses as per usual

[keen canyon]

and as mazzy said, just relying on "yeah the old fans will buy it" isnt a solid marketing strategy

[blissful perch]

Yes, so why market 6 months out with an alpha product? Especially if it isn’t done yet?

You lock in your product too soon and that itself loses sales

[keen canyon]

well i guess the game isnt really releasing as a finished product either

so releasing a gameplay trailer for early access might not really do much

[untold totem]

I mean old players will eat that up even if it's unpolished like any early access game

[blissful perch]

Old players don’t need to be marketed to tho 🤷‍♂️. They’ll be keeping an eye on this themselves

[tropic crag]

He's seeing the matrix, Shifter

[untold totem]

New players in the other hand tho with 0 knowledge of ARK aside from huurr duur Vin Diesel

[blissful perch]

It’s a valid take that gameplay trailer = press. I just don’t think it’s a required step to game development

[keen canyon]

well as i said they dont have to release a gameplay trailer for early access

[blissful perch]

And it’s certainly not worth rushing

[keen canyon]

i mean they also have to make a trailer to show of to possible investors and shi

[tropic crag]

Gods be praised, a based take

[tropic crag]

Not really, when they have Microsoft in the bag already 😂

[keen canyon]

definetly not required, but definetly good for publicity

[untold totem]

Sush you at least Shifter is here to talk some actual sense

I rather take L's from Shifter

[blissful perch]

Yes, one that’s likely extremely alpha phase and unviewable to the consumer base

[keen canyon]

you dont think microsoft might wanna show off their possibly new exclusive game tho

[blissful perch]

Press can be good and bad. Especially if your game is in flux. These things generate consumer expectations that may not align with developers and their actual product

It’s extremely dangerous. Look at NMS…tons of early press but horrible tempering of consumer expectations led to one of the highest refund counts of a steam game

[tropic crag]

I thought we were talking about investors, of which MS is one of the biggest possible, WHALE of an investor

[untold totem]

See @tropic crag

I told you so

[keen canyon]

yeah youre right, they probably dont need more money then what microsoft gave them

[tropic crag]

That's... he... whe

[blissful perch]

No trailer = less press and less chance of people making things up from dev communications

[tropic crag]

He proved you wrong by saying that what NMS did is what WC are avoiding, homie

Whe lol

[keen canyon]

but i am also pretty sure that microsoft will wanna show off ark 2 bc they wanna compete with sony, if the game turns out to be an exclusive

[blissful perch]

Once ark 2 is OUT, absolutely Microsoft will milk it dry 😂

[tropic crag]

It's timed exclusive, and everyone that would be interested already is, probably. No use in wasting mone to market to people who are going to buy it anyways, right?

[keen canyon]

yeah the game will probably only be exclusive during early access

[tropic crag]

Who knows?

Maybe not...

[blissful perch]

Microsoft will market like crazy since I’m guessing ark 2 will be a big ticket way to get more folks on gamepass

[untold totem]

ARK 2 has a steam page

That exclusively won't last long

[tropic crag]

Always room for more deals to go down

[tropic crag]

Yeah, once it is closer to release/comes out in EA, sure

[blissful perch]

I believe ark 2 is launching on steam and Microsoft?

[keen canyon]

itll probably be pc and xbox exclusive for a while

[nova junco]

No but really, we are all just VERY excited for ark 2 lol. You guys take as much time as you need, most of us will be patiently waiting.

[split dove]

it is

[tropic crag]

It's console exclusive to Xbox, though

[untold totem]

Yep

[blissful perch]

Right. So the instant it drops Microsoft is gonna market like nuts lol

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, 100%

[inland oak]

thatsy Microsoft partner with WC

[lime forge]

Why wouldn’t it be? Pray tell.

[keen canyon]

wait are microsoft the publishers or just an investor

[split dove]

sadly snail games is still the publisher

[inland oak]

after PS games released on PC, those marketing went crazy and so Microsoft thinking a lot xD

[tropic crag]

I wish they were the publisher, we'd be in the good timeline then

[inland oak]

but end of the day that we PC users win win

[keen canyon]

studio wildcard is named as the publisher on steam tho

[blissful perch]

Steam needs forbidden west and ark 2 in 2023. Easily best year ever lol

[split dove]

one of the few ownership transfers i'd love to happen so snail games goes under bc they can't make anything good themselves

[keen canyon]

ps will do like they do with all their exclusives, release them 2 years after they dropped on ps to garner more hype

this game also has a mature content description, does this mean a less cartoony ark?

[split dove]

aren't a few of the games that snail made that flopped made with like ark esc assets? if so they truly don't know shit about what makes ark great

[untold totem]

PS is a lost cause because they barely get exclusives and they are against early access and cross platform

[blissful perch]

I believe humanoid violence can raise the content rating

[inland oak]

pretty sure they aiming for 1 or 2 dlcs maybe after 1 and half years

[blissful perch]

And because there’s “visceral” impact” I’m guessing that’ll also make things a bit more gruesome

[untold totem]

More like violence in general like blood

and animal abuse

/s

[keen canyon]

i do actually wanna see what theyve done with the dino fighting cuz thats one thing they havent really talked about at all

[lime forge]

I literally whip my tames just to get them to move a couple steps

Hella animal abuse

[split dove]

there's suppossedly gonna be targeted area dmg visuals when you bite dinos on certain spots

[lime forge]

I just want a nomadic play style so I can be a highway man

[inland oak]

I want to steal wild Rex eggs and let Rex follow me and I want to get inside Aratai camp - so she will kill everything - easy loot xD

[keen canyon]

id love to see dino nests and shi

i wanna see how taming works aswell

i REALLY hope theyve changed it up from trap then shoo and bam

[lime forge]

Along the coach roads I will ride
Sword and pistol by my side
Many a young maid lost her baubles to my trade. Many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade.

[untold totem]

Then a tamed giga meat runs the caravan

[lime forge]

Maybe I’m on a PvE server

And honestly nomadic works best in small tribes as is

Them bastards hung me in the spring of 25, oh but I’m still alive!

[inland oak]

my 3 real friends, left Ark1 they got bored, but I still play Ark1 and I hope Ark2 gameplay will be nice so they will return to play with me xD

can wait till release date, but hard to wait till we see the gameplay

Character Progression and Skill System - Gain both experience points from gameplay, and knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges, to progress along a massive skill tree filled with new active abilities, perks, and passive benefits. So this we can understand that maybe to tame big dinos like Rex, we need to progress the Skill tree

if its like that, people wont create more than 1 character I guess

on Ark1 we create few chars - main reason that we know that we gonna lose the char so we can stay in tribe with other chars or crafting skill char

[sly jewel]

What’s the main difference between 1 and 2?

[olive vault]

Honestly if they make options for it to be completely cross platform I wouldn't be surprised if the playerbase doubled

[untold totem]

I mean it is confirmed that they are cross platformed

MODDED Cross platform especially

[olive vault]

What

Facts ig

[untold totem]

Consoles get mods through Mod.io

[olive vault]

Only would really need the base game tbh just don't understand the bother of allowing cross play with epic but not xbox for example

[untold totem]

That is more on Epic's side if they want to or not

[tropic crag]

Epic isn't a confirmed platform as of yet

Just Steam and Microsoft (Win10/Xbox)

[untold totem]

I mean they owned UE

They should be

[tropic crag]

They aren't confirmed yet, all I know on the matter

Would make sense to have it there though

[split dove]

if you read the steam page or anything regarding ark 2 it's really clear what's different

[past wind]

Ark 1 also took some time to get to Epic

Maybe it’s easier to run an early access project on Steam

[tropic crag]

Perhaps

[blissful perch]

UE and the epic platform I believe don’t talk to each other…you can develop just fine in unreal engine and not use epic

[tropic crag]

Yeah, once you pay for the license and sign the things it's kinda donezo right?

Unless it's in your contract to not do certain things or to release on EGS at some point, of course 😅

• PUBG lawsuit flashback intensifies *

[lime forge]

Fucking Herrarasaurus

[charred kayak]

can someone dig up more ark 2 information

[tropic crag]

I'd love those tbh

[charred kayak]

do we possibly have permission to look through the lock hole ?👀👀

[lime forge]

Well I just got wacked by one trying to tame a giant duck so I’m not the biggest fan right now.

[blissful perch]

…pretty clear that’s a “no”

We keep proving WC right that we can’t handle early stage information reveals

[charred kayak]

you know what that is... bs

we have the full right to be hyped and thirsty for more

[blissful perch]

I’m frustrated too. I wish people wouldn’t lose their minds and accuse WC of nonsense every time information gets dropped

[blissful perch]

We have that right just as WC has the right to not respond to us 😂. It sucks for sure though

[glossy ermine]

I mean lets give WC the Credit they deserve they are fighting to prevent NFTS in the game

[charred kayak]

ok let me ask for another thing.

[glossy ermine]

and remember Guys the Reason We Love ark 1 is all the Bugs n stuff Dont forget the Good times you have seen Floating Titans. and Holes in the Map Good n fun times 🙂

[charred kayak]

that's not the point

[glossy ermine]

the Point is You are Trying to Predict a Game you think gonna Look like ark 1. but in Reality its Not gonna be even Close. Its a whole different Game

[blissful perch]

I love ark 1 because it was a pioneer product that not only brought dinosaurs to life but also let us the players ride them around and make use of them. That’s the true innovation ark brought

[charred kayak]

all im saying is... if a dog bit you once you don't get scared from dogs for life

[blissful perch]

In some ways that’s true. But I think ark 2 will retain the spirit of ark 1 in that it’ll focus on creatures, taming, and staying alive in a hostile environment

[charred kayak]

you gotta move on and no matter what there will be haters

[glossy ermine]

Best Survival game on Steam. and Currently best Open world game on the Market. they Can "ruin" it by Doing something others have done n think it will bring them the Same Success

[charred kayak]

well that's not true. take sotf for example

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 being a risk is absolutely true. But I think it’s good to take risks…since that’s what made ark 1

[glossy ermine]

Sotf died withhin the first 1-5 Months of Release they Just Reworked it. ill give it another 1-4 Months and see the numbers

I hope it can stay alive Much longer this time. it was Fun when it was released the first time

[blissful perch]

The safest option is to release ark 2 as “ark 1 again”…but that’s not imo the best way to push gaming to new heights

[split dove]

the CoD quick game route

[glossy ermine]

Best way is to Wipe everything On ark 1. on Launch day of ARK 2 if ark 2 becomes a Flop people got a fresh start on Ark 1. and we need a new Immigratiion

Way 2 much Dupped stuff In circulation. but i know this isnt going to Happen...

[charred kayak]

but as you just said ark 2 is a whole different game and it's not basically the same as ark1

so they'd be killing it for no reason

[glossy ermine]

Yeh its not gonna be the same game... But that shouldnt stop them from Wiping the first Game. that people have wished for years

So they have a Backup Plan in case servers are as Poor as Atlas... being Taken down within Minutes cause they cant handle the traffic [ Or so i expect since the start was Rough. but cant expect anything else with a new game]

[charred kayak]

anyways that's not what i was saying

[glossy ermine]

No. but this is what im saying xD but we all got different Opinions

[tropic crag]

Since when were those in Ark?

[charred kayak]

"we need news"
||upvote if agreed||

[glossy ermine]

if they wanted to give us News they would have given us a Taste during extra Life event

[blissful perch]

A wipe will purge many old players and not precisely encourage new ones to stick around. Arkpoc also already appeals to this. Players will also feel betrayed that their progress has been wiped…it’s one thing to advocate for regular wipes (I’ve asked for them) but those should be clearly communicated to all players before they commit to playing

[charred kayak]

that's exactly what they don't wanna hear. people that are still salty about the past events

[glossy ermine]

97% of the pvp community have been wanting one for years. its to 1 sided atm. with the Dups aimbotting n other Mesh bases in old locations thats been patched

[glossy ermine]

wdym Salty... That's been the time of the Year where they Introduce us New things or News... just because they didn't tell us anything doesn't Mean people are Salty. we just had Expectations that wasn't meet

[charred kayak]

so that's exactly why we want news

[blissful perch]

It’s nowhere near 97% LOL. You’re welcome to search wipe in this chat and see how many folks don’t want them

[charred kayak]

to not be hyped over nothing

[glossy ermine]

Ok it used to be 90% of the Big tribes wanting fresh Wipes... 100% would bring people back to game

Only people that dont want the wipe is players Who bought Duped stuff from RMT. and people who sells stuff

[blissful perch]

Or people who spent 10k hours breeding lines

[glossy ermine]

they still gonna lose those breed lines when moving to a New game

[blissful perch]

Losing all that progress would be brutal if you thought it was safe and now “oops it’s wiped”

[glossy ermine]

Nothing is Safe. you get Raided its wiped. xD

you make this sound like we are all playing on Pve servers

[blissful perch]

Sure, but the loss of capped lines on official is as unlikely as a total wipe of official servers

[glossy ermine]

Lines would be back up in easily 3-5 Months people have learned how to Get the Mutations they want

[blissful perch]

…there’s a HARD time barrier to capping a creature

[charred kayak]

people will always expect news or gameplay in a certain event. it's inevitable. and when people don't get news or gameplay they'll be disappointed to a point that when that happens again and again they'll eventually lose interest and when they finally get news they won't be as much hyped as before. that's the main reason why we want dates and news

[glossy ermine]

for the big Creatures that takes 10+ days sure... but People gonna be Doing it one way or another in the New game... so if that's a Flop people just gonna Quit the Franchise

[blissful perch]

That’s high key BS lol

[glossy ermine]

Wildcard have a Skill of Having to set back their Release Dates. that gonna Piss people off more then Not knowing and get 1 Release date

[charred kayak]

it's how it works. not for all people but the majority

[blissful perch]

You can simply drum up the hype right before launch and that’s perfectly fine. You don’t need to string players along for years with tidbits and trailers

[blissful perch]

Unless ark 2 has no mutation capping at all. Which would be a huge blessing

[glossy ermine]

Having people Blindsided for years gonna make people More Mad. then 2-3 Months Befor release of the game

Yee. i hope they Scrap the current Mutation etc. Which makes it Harder to Gain Mutation. or lowering the Cap

[split dove]

''adds a dino skill tree so no lifes can't mutation stack anymore''

[lavish rain]

Crackhead is what yall are

[charred kayak]

enlighten us please

go ahead...

[glossy ermine]

Hes an Xbox player they Know everything of being 2nd to last

[lavish rain]

Ah shit here we go again

[charred kayak]

that would make sense tbh

[glossy ermine]

Would Make sense With the direction they are Going. Several types of material crafting like atlas. While having a Soul type of combat system.

also i dont know if its Confirmed. but the Amount of Farming n Killing we had Would effect the Climate around us Long term or is this a Hoax from Random youtubers

[blissful perch]

That would be sick, but it’s not confirmed anywhere

[winged dome]

Wishful thinking

[blissful perch]

My guess is that the answer is no, since for PvP you kinda need to force spawns to ensure people don’t block new players from getting stuff

[untold totem]

One game tried it but it failed miserably.. so no

[glossy ermine]

which game was that

[winged dome]

If it did have any serious repercussions on the game world, then I guarantee every server would end up in the same state

[untold totem]

Ultima Online I think

[blissful perch]

Eco is a game that uses that system and I hear it works quite well

[untold totem]

No one tried ecological recreation ever since

[blissful perch]

Contradicting Mazzy instantly

[untold totem]

I need to check that out

[blissful perch]

But it’s not PvP. Which is a key difference

[glossy ermine]

and People havent actually Recreated what ark have done. so we Might see it happen if we are Lucky. on some test servers

[untold totem]

Eeh

[blissful perch]

Again, with PvP it’s actually best to ruin the ecosystem and block other players from using it

[glossy ermine]

ark 2 might be More focused towards Pve atleast since you have a Humanoid enemy n pack you follow or atleast in the trailer

[blissful perch]

If ark 2 was pure PvE (which Dollie confirmed it was not) I could see that system offering wonderful immersion

[glossy ermine]

not saying its going to be a Full pve but. Ark updates n that stuff Focuses on the Pve community since they arent the one giving the Devs crap

[charred kayak]

yes. but again, having to worry about other players AND humanoids at the same time would be a challenge.

[blissful perch]

Most ark updates and almost all ark balance patches serve PvP

[untold totem]

Conan go brr

[glossy ermine]

If that was the Case they would have Removed Sleeping Bags Chairs Tents etc when they Posed a Treat Duo to Meshing... but they disabled Tek railgun cause its a Pure pvp item.. due to the mesh aimbotting

[blissful perch]

That’s what’ll happen in ark 2 lol. People would be fine

[charred kayak]

as far as i know humanoids won't just be like a "pack" creature that defends it's territory it will ALSO perform some kind of "raid" against players

[blissful perch]

Removing railguns…is FOR PvP benefit

[glossy ermine]

Like the NPC mod that was tried. but Flopped i hope they Make it work

@blissful perchso you Saying its aimbotters Using Railguns to Cancel people out of Ice caves. or other games where they have Line of Sight thru the Mesh... wouldnt be the Main reason it got Disabled

cause thats what im saying

[blissful perch]

The main reason it got disabled is almost assuredly because by design it encourages meshing and aimbot

It got disabled to benefit PvP players. PvE doesn’t care

[glossy ermine]

Right it was a Bad example on my end... atleast in the argument im trying to Point out.

[blissful perch]

Multiple mana nerfs, nerfs to astrodelphis and velo range, fixing exploits…these are all PvP relevant changes

PvE doesn’t care if a creature is strong. I don’t like unbalanced PvE but ultimately the pressure comes from PvP when a creature is too good

[glossy ermine]

Im not saying should Ignore pvp... They changed those Things because they were Straight up broken.

[blissful perch]

“Broken” is a subjective term. Unless by broken you mean it doesn’t work (like when boss fight teleports would sometimes fail and everyone would die)

Manas were not broken. They were OP. But changes were made to satisfy PvP needs

[glossy ermine]

Im saying Velos Being able to Shoot thru the Mesh. and Manas having Infinite Reach on their Breath. killing things Outside of turret range

So yes Manas were broken

[blissful perch]

In PvP they were stupidly OP

But broken? Objectively broken? I doubt it. I think they were intentionally designed that way, worked as intended, but didn’t get enough testing for someone to say “hey wait don’t release that, it’s overpowered”

[glossy ermine]

Over Powered and Broken is 2 Different things... Shadowmanes are Op cause they are Tanky Can stun and Knock your tames

Manas were Broken because you Could Breath like 400 meters Outside of turret range Killing peoples Tames or The person trying to defend

[blissful perch]

It definitely violated a critical PvP rule of “you shouldn’t be able to outrange turrets”

[charred kayak]

they are the same thing 😂

broken is op

[blissful perch]

Some folks use them interchangeably for sure

[charred kayak]

broken could mean not working

[glossy ermine]

Broken as It Breaks the game Mechanic...

[charred kayak]

but it can also mean op

well op breaks it too

[blissful perch]

Semantics aside, the changes were made to benefit PvP players

PvE doesn’t care if mana breath is infinite. It’s OP sure, but nobody “loses” as a result of that

[charred kayak]

tell me the noglin isn't op, and it's broken

[south lance]

pvp complaints improve pve gameplay

[blissful perch]

Oftentimes yes

[glossy ermine]

im Not saying They havent Dont stuff to benefit PvP players you are placing words into my Mouth... All im saying is they are Focusing on pve with Most of the items being Released or as it seems to me

[blissful perch]

^this sounds a lot like “WC makes the game for PvE players”. Feel free to correct me

[glossy ermine]

Right... sorry for Not having English as my First Language and having Writing issues

If i wasnt on Prim + id go into the Tek tree etc and Find everything Thing of the New items that Is considered PvP or Was released for the pve side

[south lance]

i wouldnt be surprised if they create content with pve in mind and try to fit it into pvp after the fact

[blissful perch]

It’s certainly fair to say that PvE has had a smoother ride than PvP

But that’s because frankly ark should never have offered official PvP for a sandbox game…the two formats are in contrast with each other. Not to mention the very clear lack of admin support

[south lance]

its easier to make a cool looking game if you arent trying to figure out whether something will powercreep this or that and other balance shenanigans

[blissful perch]

I’d say for sandboxes yes

For a competitive shooter it’s not quite so bad, because “oh this is goofy and could be fun” isn’t as common

[south lance]

ya

this is why i will never play rust tho lol

arks pve is really fucking cool

even if it breaks the game

that thing where you have pve game and suddenly drop players to fight each other in it isnt common tmk

[blissful perch]

It would be lovely to have ark 2 be much more pvpve than ark 1. Maybe even be gamemode focused rather than sandbox. But it’s confirmed that at launch we won’t see gamemode based pvp so 🤷‍♂️

[glossy ermine]

All ill Point Out while playing Prim+ On Pve you get help even if you dont have a Pocket Admin. On PvP you Dont unless you have 600 People reporting someone or have a Streamer on the Side.... And most of the Devs are Playing PvE or it seems when they release New gameplay during Streams... and all the Trailers are Molded to a Pve gameplay.. Unless you talk of SOTF had one of the Only PvP trailers as im aware of

[south lance]

wdym

[blissful perch]

Dollie confirmed ark 2 will launch with normal PvP and PvE servers. No special modes

[south lance]

ah ok

[blissful perch]

I can’t think of a single trailer that doesn’t involve someone getting attacked or eaten by a creature in a PvP context

[south lance]

tbf most trailers for game content have pvp its just even more bob than beginners servers

[split dove]

the game was made to be more pve, pvp was only added bc people kept asking for it so it was just a fast change and good to go iirc

[glossy ermine]

Which is Player versus Envirement. befor you edited the message.

[glossy ermine]

Idk Looked to be Like Pve & Roleplay. Reason why i bought the game but then Pve servers were more toxic then PvP servers so i went to pvp

[south lance]

pve servers are more toxic?

[glossy ermine]

last time i played ye

which was a Few years ago

[south lance]

thats wild

[split dove]

pve toxic is like Cod lvls, wich is still cute compared to pvp toxic

[south lance]

though i will say i havent personally seen as much toxicity from pvp as i expected coming from mobile lol

[glossy ermine]

Isnt Mobile only singel player

[south lance]

nah its got pvpve

[untold totem]

Me in my last ARK RP PVP... I just don't wonna remember it

[south lance]

even a weird pvx mode where part of the map is pve and part is pvp and the pvp region moves

[glossy ermine]

but they got P2W. or last time i saw you could Buy stuff if its In singel player or also Multiplayer idk only saw like 2 vids from mobile

[south lance]

or the moving one is pvx clock and theres a normal pvx which has static regions

ya

though even ark pc has some p2w because of player made markets

that shouldnt exist and ill get chastised by a mod if i expand on lol

[glossy ermine]

Sure. but RMT is against the TOS... and the Devs would rather it not happen

I think on Mobile its part of the Game or so i thought. xD

[south lance]

this is interesting

i didnt think pvp rp even existed

[glossy ermine]

All the Trailers i remember is the Scorched earth one Island Ones. and Ragnarok Trailers so i could be Wrong with the New ones.. .Which was Heavily PvE RP look alike

[glossy ermine]

Sounds interesting But Sounds like a GTA RP server with Tryhards who dedicate their Whole life to it

[south lance]

everyone on ark nolifes ark

side effect of it being such a cool game

[glossy ermine]

atm the best there is

[winged dome]

Ark just hits all those skinner box itches that no other game can quite manage

[sweet fractal]

When is Ark 2 currently said to release?

[south lance]

2023 no month mentioned

[split dove]

it's currently still targeting a supposed june release if that info is still accurate from June

[sweet fractal]

Bhet 🗿

[untold totem]

There is, most servers I played are RP PVPs

[winged dome]

Shame it's kinda down to a handful of servers now, hoping Ark2 revives the RP scene a bit

[untold totem]

It's hard to stay PVE if you are caught in a political drama between a RP tribe that does PVP and a PVP tribe who just want to raid everything

There are still RP servers to go around as long as there are continuous mod support

[winged dome]

Yeah, I tend to be a little picky though. Too many dime-a-dozen 'oh no, it's the coming corruption!' type servers that hardly last more than a month

[south lance]

the only rp servers i find require whitelisting which is way too mich effort

[winged dome]

Also not a big fan of custom overhaul mods that drastically change gameplay or severely limit a player's choices outside of picking a cookie cutter 'class'

[south lance]

or i think i found one thats just normal

[south lance]

ya i kinda dislike class systems

i like being able to do whatever provided i just use a specific in game item to switch my optimized character

mindwipe does this perfectly

[winged dome]

I don't mind class systems, but I hate class systems where every player of the same class is exactly the same in capabilities

I hosted my own server for a few months with a dynamic system, people 'built' their own class by selecting a handful of things to specialize in and could upgrade them accordingly. Worked pretty well and players seemed to enjoy it a lot, but it was a lot of backend work

[south lance]

i think in that case the issue is balance

in small servers this isnt as big an issue but if you have thousands of players and an unbalanced class system or whatever, 1 or a couple builds will become dominant

perhaps by extension only a couple playstyles too

[winged dome]

Yeah, most of the servers I've been in have around 30 consistent players. Only one had more than that but I'm not a huge fan of its systems

[south lance]

i am unaware of any rp servers over a hundred or so active players

[winged dome]

Aramoore does, I think? Haven't played in a while but it is still going strong

[tropic crag]

The devs don't want it, but the publisher... lol

[past wind]

It’s better to keep this out of this chat… it is concerning indeed, but that’s not the right place

[tropic crag]

I beg to differ

[untold totem]

i mean it is because it's for the future of ARK 2 after launch

[bold juniper]

By allowing unique weapons similar to how Conan operates it is a form of class, and perhaps play style is more important than the stats

[winged dome]

I do hope there's more weapon variety and moveset variety than just holding M1

[past wind]

True. IF fireweapons won’t make it to Ark 2, I hope to see double handed weapons (hammers and swords) and more types of shields

But I still would like to see fireweapons, at least more classic ones

[potent hull]

i hop there will be a weapon name after shifter and gp it will be a dino killing weapon

[split dove]

new combat hopefully won't boil down to M1 spam as the new variety shouldn't encourage m1 spam

[bold juniper]

As long as there is no dagger option

[stray elm]

Hear me out.
Ranger-class. 🏹 🔫

[bold juniper]

Bow and crossbow, slingshot

Longbow and hunting bow

In Conan there lopped in with agility but typically the bow players have the bow and only one other weapon

[desert swallow]

battle mage

[stray elm]

Battle-Mages are just people using the funny space-magic Element.

[bold juniper]

I still wish to be able to play as an aratai

I want to defend my planet from the human invaders

Shouldn’t have messed up the last one

[desert swallow]

hippy

[bold juniper]

Hippy of violence

I’d be killing

[desert swallow]

Hippy's can be violent. Just look at Manson's cult

[bold juniper]

I’m not a hippy, just saying big L they lost the first planet don’t mean they get ours

[past wind]

I think ranged weapons will be there. I’m talking specifically about fireweapons. I’m not sure their primitive combat would be compatible with fireweapons

[stray elm]

You mean 'firearms?'

[bold juniper]

Depends long reload and bad accuracy

[stray elm]

Unless you mean literally weapons on fire, 'fireweapons' isn't a word.

[sand nova]

So I hear Ark 2 is Ark but reskinned lol 😂

[past wind]

Both. I would like longnecks and primitive pistols also.

[past wind]

Very true

[sand nova]

lol

[past wind]

Youtubers are 100% right. They have all internal info. Believe them unconditionally

[stray elm]

A fire tek-sword would've been badass.

[lavish rain]

Hear me out

[past wind]

Yeah, there are primitive weapons that would fit the concept in my opinion

[blissful perch]

I think firearms that lack the downside of being long reload (or another equally major drawback) will dominate the meta again in ark 2 and render primitive weapons nearly pointless

[tropic crag]

No

[lime forge]

Since mods

[tropic crag]

I didn't know there was a mod that added them, that's neat

[lime forge]

I hope the firearms are just like lever action.

[tropic crag]

I'd be down for a good Winchester or something along those lines

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 should have full auto weapons

Who wants to blast aliens from outerspace with a Tommy gun?

[lavish rain]

No full autos

[lavish rain]

I'd be down for miniguns

[mint swan]

Why?

[lavish rain]

Becuase the game would be more fun

[marble basin]

Its gonna be more primal so i doubt

[tropic forge]

you have no clue how the game gonna be but youre already saying to had something cause will be more fun

[marble basin]

Tho they have said youll be able to customize your own weapons so maybe you can make some full-auto pebble shooter lmao

[stray elm]

He's American like me. Guns automatically mean better game

[gusty otter]

True

[south lance]

i want flintlocks that knock your character backwards

could do some cool parkour with em

im not sure how fun guns will be in third person though

purely in regards to aiming

i still want my flintlock jump

[untold totem]

me plays ATLAS: prepare to get disappointed

[odd zealot]

Need 2 decent players for wipe infriday 10x

[potent hull]

we the players hop ark 2 is batter then ark 1 bay a mill

[split dove]

considering ark 2 is what they originally wanted ark 1 to be but it wasn't possible due the teams small size, inexperience and tech at that time i got a good feeling it will be better. i got more faith in this bc the team has expanded, gotten more funding and is overall more experienced

[potent hull]

i do to i am hoping for some game events soon but i think we my see the ark 2 date and month be for or after game play of ark 2 com out

[split dove]

hard to guess, as we're likely to be 99,999% wrong

[potent hull]

i men they can tell us the date an month in a game play video of ark 2 i no a lot of game do thing like that

all i can say i am keep a eye on ark 2 steam page

[split dove]

who knows, i might have every section screenshotted so i can see every minute change

[potent hull]

well make shore you get ark 2 good side lol

[sinful moon]

Didn’t this get canceled

[potent hull]

no ark 2 till coming and the ark anime to

[split dove]

why would you think it's cancelled?

[sinful moon]

I w a s l I e d t o

[split dove]

let me guess, loadedcrysis?

[lunar finch]

loadedclickbait lol

[split dove]

i need to load up my clickbait on my fishing boat real quick, i'm hunting views

[potent hull]

load fallows gp and raclark i think they fallow one ether to

as of now it look like load playing ark survival of the fifttest

[stray elm]

LoadedShit

[lone igloo]

Just made me laugh

[potent hull]

let me see load band you from is channel you do like his videos or you think he a lying how is he lying to you

[stray elm]

Nah, I just fucking hate extreme clickbaiters.

[potent hull]

is lat video was no lick bait it had a post from gp in it and in this chat

[stray elm]

I'm talking about his channel as a whole.

[stray elm]

Don't DM me

[potent hull]

how is he click baid

[stray elm]

I literally just fucking said 'his channel as a whole'
He has many, many, many, many, many, many videos having some random ass still-image of a artpiece that's not even ARK related as his thumbnails, saying shit like 'This creature will be in ARK' while we have yet to see official images of said creature

[potent hull]

one of the a dino it was on twiter

consap art

[stray elm]

🤦‍♂️

[potent hull]

her go it it

[somber wren]

I stopped watching yt vids about ark 2 a long time ago

[potent hull]

you men that

[somber wren]

They are all bullshitting for views

[stray elm]

Death, stop fucking sending me DM's, I've asked you nicely to please stop.
And no, that isn't the image.

[potent hull]

if let san phot i woon not need to

sand phot on her

[stray elm]

....what?

Don't fucking send me shit anyway.
Ask me before, and if I say 'yes' then sure. But if I say 'no' then don't

[surreal walrus]

I wish they would release info about ark 2

[lunar finch]

Spartan relax. 🤨

[past wind]

The next time they talk about Ark 2, there will be a gameplay. No chance they will talk about it before they have a gameplay to show.

[lunar finch]

You can just block people and ignore them.

And yes, LoadedCrysis is notorious for putting blatant lies as his titles for the sake of views, in general you should just ignore news that does not come straight from Wildcard.

[potent hull]

sow lost of ark tubers have random thumbnail that do not have to do with are if that way you hat hid channel your just salt is not of ark 2 people can make thing for there channel and it do not have to be on pint with what there a bout call being random

[lunar finch]

Looking forward to seeing the gameplay, it will make or break it for a lot of people with the whole third person thing.

[lyric kayak]

people wont mind third person

[potent hull]

them go to his chanel and see for yout self do let people tell you them self

[lyric kayak]

after a bit

[stray elm]

Sorry, just don't like when people send me direct-messages without permission.

[lyric kayak]

3rd person is just better, you can see more

but orbit cam is debatable

[stray elm]

'ehhhh'

[lyric kayak]

seeing through walls and places where your actual character is not is kind of op

[lunar finch]

If I was forced to play ARK 1 only in third person I would want to commit violent acts against dinosaurs.

[stray elm]

I'm sure a lot of people will.
But I personally may never get used to it.
I liked playing ARK in first-person.

[lyric kayak]

well ark 1 is not ark 2

[stray elm]

Same, but not just against dinosaurs.

[lunar finch]

I'm aware.

[lyric kayak]

ark 1 shooting with crosshair in third person does not even hit the same spot if you were to be in first person

which is dumb

[lunar finch]

My point is just that third person isn't automatically okay for anything.

[lyric kayak]

I cant see how its bad

its just different

[untold ingot]

That is why people play pvp lol

[stray elm]

Some people only get immersed when viewing from their own characters perspective.

[lunar finch]

Harvesting resources in third person in ARK is definitely bad as far as I'm concerned. Lol

Shooting is bad in third person in ARK.

[lyric kayak]

well if the game is built around being third person it wont feel bad

[lunar finch]

I'm... I'm aware.

[lyric kayak]

and shooting wont feel bad if the game is built around third person

[lunar finch]

I never argued about ARK 2 being bad in third person.

In fact I have specific argued the opposite in the past. 🤨

[lyric kayak]

so we agree

the camera perspective is the least of our problems

[lunar finch]

The thing most people aren't considering is that it will be designed for third person, of course if you're thinking about ARK 1 forced third person it's not great.

But when designed for only that, I'm sure it will be fine.

[stray elm]

The issue isn't if the third-person of the game is bad.
The argument 'is' the third-person exclusivity.
Again, some (I included) just can't immerse into a third-person world.
It will most defiantly be a good game. But some people might just not vibe with the third-person only

[lyric kayak]

from a pve perspective 3rd person might be bad

[bold juniper]

clearly have never played conan

[lunar finch]

But it will still make or break it for some people, some people just don't like third person and that's fine.

[stray elm]

I have.

[bold juniper]

conan 3rd person is fabulous and i find it easy to RP in

im actively doing it

[lyric kayak]

yeah first person conan is trash

[bold juniper]

First person conan is only good to look through walls

[lyric kayak]

and ark 2 combat im guessing will feel similar to conan (but hopefully better)

[lunar finch]

I switch between first and third person in ARK constantly.

[stray elm]

I've played many third-person games.
It has good world-building, and pretty areas.
But I'm not immersed into it. I don't 'feel' like I'm in this fictional world

[lyric kayak]

same\

[bold juniper]

no daggers, they arent punished at all for missing and spamming a light attack, not to mention dagons daggers, but i feel rather immersed in the world of conan

[lyric kayak]

To me being immersed means you are unaware that a world outside of the game exists

[lunar finch]

RDR2

[stray elm]

I own it.

[lyric kayak]

you can get that feeling playing pokemon

[stray elm]

And I play it in first-person.

[bold juniper]

would you say a 3rd person cutscene breaks immersion

when the camera moves out of first person

and if this is a primarily melee combat, there is no way first person would work

[stray elm]

Depends on what the dev's are doing.
In games like CoD, not at all since there's really no immersion there. Mostly story.
In games like ARK, yes, I'd feel really weird if I suddenly see my abomination having a emotionful moment with HLN-A

[stray elm]

Bull to the shit.

Dying-Light 1-2 are all first-person, with heavy parkour and melee combat.

[bold juniper]

theres no way you can make souls like combat first person

[stray elm]

Dying-Light is arguably very souls-like

[bold juniper]

I like seeing third person melee combat because i can see it as an epic battle, being in first you loose the sense of grandness

If i wanted to see a sword fight first person id go larping

[lyric kayak]

as we see in ark 1 some mechanics like harvesting a rock with a pickaxe is different in first and third person. creating the game in one of the perspectives only would be easier because you dont have to account for the other perspective.

[stray elm]

Really?
I don't personally lose any grandness when fighting one of those big-infected's in Dying-Light.

[lyric kayak]

and the game will feel less clunky

does vin desal pvp?

or is he a pve player

[bold juniper]

im watching dying light and it is not realy dark souls

[lyric kayak]

@stiff hedge

[stray elm]

Depends what you defy as 'souls-like'

[bold juniper]

it looks like your hitting witha sword in minecraft

slightly more detail

3rd person isnt bad for immersion, and in melee combat games with combos parries and other manuvers it is essential for fighting of any sort

[lunar finch]

I don't feel like I need total immersion.

[stray elm]

I have no idea what video you're watching. But Dying-Light has all of those things.

[bold juniper]

bro the dodging is wack

[untold ingot]

I don't really care too much about immersion, if I did I would probably play a simulation game. I just want the camera to be smooth and I want to be able to see, and have fov control

[bold juniper]

sounds a lot like the way conan handles their 3rd person

and for all the flaws of that game its camera work is astounding

tille firstperson

and as is ark first person dont feel that immersive, the movements are all very stiff

[stray elm]

Anyway, I'll most likely still play it. But I defiantly wont get the same sense of immersion as I did with ARK-1

[lyric kayak]

you might be suprised

[bold juniper]

its all execution

[untold ingot]

I would second that lol, ark first person isn't immersive imo, it's pretty bad

[bold juniper]

Crazy how 3rd person conan feels more immersive

[stray elm]

Unless they can pull what Red-Dead 2 couldn't with its third-person for me, then I doubt

[lyric kayak]

year 1 of photoshop I could create a better character with better animations than ark

[bold juniper]

read dead has guns n stuff

[lyric kayak]

I feel like ark 1 player characters need a tlc

[stray elm]

And?

[bold juniper]

guns are typicaly more immersive first person

whilst melee is better in third

[lyric kayak]

true

but fortnite

[stray elm]

Defiantly subjective.

[bold juniper]

do you feel immersed in fortnight

like your part of a story

[lyric kayak]

skyrim is not known for its first person melee combat. its actually very bad

[stray elm]

Hell no

[split dove]

Oh god, not fortshite again

[bold juniper]

thats because guns only work in first person

though i will say the division does it well

im not saying its impossible to have a fun first person combat game with combos and parrys, but its damn hard considiring ark has no previous experience in that department

[stray elm]

ARK-2 is doing many things they had no experience in before.

[untold ingot]

Projectile is better in fp imo because the character gets in los and makes it harder to hit shots, but almost exclusively I would say I prefer third person for movement. If there is guns in ark2 I would want an ads that goes into a scope or something, but other than that I am not picky

[bold juniper]

yeah but at least they can model off of other games that did it well

[untold ingot]

K mode needs to go though

[bold juniper]

like they said they would," assasins kreed, souls like combat"

[bold juniper]

yes

[untold ingot]

It's literally too broken

[bold juniper]

be gon wall hack

[lyric kayak]

they should remove k mode

thats not immersive

[bold juniper]

yeah

[lyric kayak]

seeing through mesh

and its game breaking

[bold juniper]

what FOV yall play conan in

[lyric kayak]

I bet it helps a lot of meshers find mesh spots too

[untold ingot]

It's not immersive, it makes it too easy to check defenses without having to do any effort

[bold juniper]

i find 60 to be the best for immersion and functionality

tho i crank to 100 for pvp

[lyric kayak]

max on almost every game

[bold juniper]

max fov on conan is ugly

[untold ingot]

Like i get the idea of having an orbital camera to see your base in a spectator view, but it shouldnt be able to go through the mesh

[lyric kayak]

more fov= more info

yeah

through mesh is bad

[bold juniper]

im saying for immersive i prefer 60 and pvp i want all the info so 100

[untold ingot]

I typically like 90 fov for third person and 110 for first person

[bold juniper]

FOV is just an immersion slider change my mind

[untold ingot]

It makes me feel blind with less than 90 fov

[bold juniper]

on conan?

[untold ingot]

Anywhere

[lyric kayak]

I hope we cant turn off leaves and textures in ark 2

you get an insane advantage turning off all settings

including settings not acessable in the game ui

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it maelkes it unfun that's for sure

[bold juniper]

im telling you anything past 60 on conan kinda looks ugly, you still get plenty of info at 60, but i do crank up on pvp to 100

[lyric kayak]

you can litteraly turn off all leaves

[bold juniper]

WHAT

[untold ingot]

I played Conan on 90 lol

[bold juniper]

I need that

[lyric kayak]

lol

[bold juniper]

but to conclude 3rd person doesnt realy affect immersion in my POV

[untold ingot]

I really don't like it when the character takes up a quarter of the screen lol

[untold ingot]

I would agree

[bold juniper]

i hate when a weapon or my hand takes up half my screen

[lyric kayak]

the more pressing topic for me in ark 2 is meshing and duping

[untold ingot]

But I don't want immersion lol, I want a fun game

[untold ingot]

Hello cod sniper scopes 🤣🤣

[bold juniper]

oh no someone is duping spears, too bad they can only hold one at a time

[lyric kayak]

I wish they would come out and say that these wont be a thing

[bold juniper]

power weapons in halo be like

[untold ingot]

I hate having weapons take up my screen

[bold juniper]

option should be there for both, hence why the FOV slider is there

[untold ingot]

It makes so many avoidable blindspots

[lyric kayak]

meshing, duping, and ddoss

the only reason I ever stopped playing the game

[bold juniper]

its basicaly impossible to stop those entirely

[lyric kayak]

Duping is the worst for me

why play the game and progress fairly when people are doing it unfairly

[bold juniper]

duping is worse in ark then most games, because of what can be duped and its importance

[lyric kayak]

my tribe started duping and I quit the same day

[untold ingot]

Tbh it's mostly because of being able to transfer resources that allows that.

[potent hull]

well ark 2 inue5 sow it my he batter

[untold ingot]

If ark2 takes after the ldl servers then that might help the duping issues

[bold juniper]

Duping in conan isnt as bad because god duping got patched and all other items dont hold that level of importance

[lyric kayak]

do you guys think there will be cross ark official servers like ark 1? to me this is one of the core game mechanics that makes ark 1 so unique

[untold ingot]

What are those servers?

[potent hull]

but ark 1 is on a old engine

[lyric kayak]

the official servers

I mean will there be new offical servers

not the old ones lol

[untold ingot]

Aren't the cross ark ones the cross play ones?

[lyric kayak]

I mean ark clusters

[untold ingot]

It's possible

[lyric kayak]

like the small tribes and regular

[untold ingot]

It might not be that way at the start

[bold juniper]

there is no need for a cluster if there is one map

[untold ingot]

I personally would prefer an ldl approach to it

[lyric kayak]

ldl?

for pvp the official clusters are necessary

[untold ingot]

The new type of server where only characters are transferable

[lyric kayak]

that would be fine for 3 months

like ark 1

[untold ingot]

Maybe

[lyric kayak]

but I want to transfer to other arks

[untold ingot]

So transfer your char, and rebuild lol

[lyric kayak]

for the first 3 months characters only

I wonder what core mechanics they will keep from ark 1 and which ones they will remove

[bold juniper]

thankfully by having different servers, they can test how item transfers can affect the game vs just character transfer

[untold ingot]

Probably the thing that turns most people off ark1 pvp is that people can claim servers and keep everyone else off them. Hopefully ark2 doesn't have that issue

[lyric kayak]

the 2 core mechanics that make the pvp good is the super cluster of official servers, and the breeding/ raising

[untold ingot]

I disagree lol. It makes it too easy for a group to lock down an entire server

[lyric kayak]

thats the way ark 1 works

each tribe has its own server

but there can be ways around this

[bold juniper]

another reason i love conan, nobody is safe, a solo can be the biggest menace

[untold ingot]

That's only 1x and smalls, and it's arguably the worst design flaw in ark1

[bold juniper]

death to you all!!!

[lyric kayak]

small tribes there are lots of tribes on 1 server

most of my hours on the game are official pvp on psn in mega tribes

[bold juniper]

structure cap can keep people from claiming maps

if you disagree just build better :/

[lyric kayak]

but small tribes seems to have a better gameplay loop because of rates and no mega tribes

[thin canyon]

Tbh I quit ark years ago after a phase that seemed forever, now that ark 2 was announced and a new animated series, It’s coming back

[untold ingot]

I mean, same. But honestly I have enjoyed wipe servers and unofficials more because it isn't a game of owning servers, it's actually fun pvp lol

[bold juniper]

14k damage per pike swing is funny

[untold ingot]

What?

[bold juniper]

<_<

[lyric kayak]

ark official pvp with mega tribes is large scale pvp wich in my opinion can be more fun because there are more people and it feels grand

[bold juniper]

_>

[lyric kayak]

ark 1 is an mmo on offical clusters

[bold juniper]

you only need 8 people to get that sense of large scale pvp

[untold ingot]

Like I do enjoy official, and mega tribes have a certain allure. But I don't like the idea of megas owning entire servers lol. I would rather there be multiple megas on a same server and have to compete lol

[bold juniper]

God conan is such a damn good game despite its many flaws

[lyric kayak]

why not 1k vs 1k over a long period of time

I like the 10 clan system

but I also like the idea that you are limitless in what you can do with limitless amounts of people

[bold juniper]

that means two large clans is 20 people, server cap would have to be like 50 to even have five large clans

[lyric kayak]

its 70 rn

[untold ingot]

I think anything more than like 10 or 20 people is too much and really makes the game unfun

[bold juniper]

then there is alliances so its a 20v20

[untold ingot]

Because at that point you aren't really playing with friends, you are playing with factions

[bold juniper]

thats half a server

[lyric kayak]

there will always be megas anyway

this is human nature

[bold juniper]

yeah but smaller clan size limits the effectiveness of megas

As evidence in conan

[lyric kayak]

since the begining of ark before megas

whole servers agreed to be friendly

[bold juniper]

power to the player

[lyric kayak]

even small tribes still have these servers

[bold juniper]

k im out i gotta slep

[untold ingot]

There will be megas if it is viable and practical to have megas

[lyric kayak]

where the whole server just does not attack eachother

maybe a decay system like rust

gas and element turned into less and less of a problem

allowing bigger bases and more lag

for less work

instead of range based power with a tek gen

they need to go based on how many things are being powered

[untold ingot]

Well, tek isn't a thing lol

[lyric kayak]

I think the only way to raid a base should be to soak the turrets. Not running in with rockets or shooting it with a tech gun

thats good

[untold ingot]

It might be that turrets aren't even a thing

[lyric kayak]

almost feels like that wont happen

thats a core mechanic of ark 1

maybe plant turrets'

idk how advanced we will be, maybe like prim plus?

[untold ingot]

There is so much that could be called a core mechanic of the game that really isn't fun and doesn't get used by the majority of the player base. The fact that ark1 does things one way does not mean that ark2 will do things that way

[lyric kayak]

I feel like since its a sequel and ark 1 is the most successful survival game of all time, they will keep things generally the same.

The idea for ark 1 on paper is the greatest game idea I have ever seen

I argue that once extinction game out things got out of hand with tek

and maybe not the type of tek structures and weapons but the amount of element you can get so fast.

[tropic forge]

think this dude as no clue about ark 2 steam page

[lyric kayak]

@tropic forge ur right

I need to look at it

[tropic forge]

just hang tide your chair while reading

[lyric kayak]

wdym

does not give me any info on any of my questions

[tropic forge]

it gives plenty of clues what ark 2 gonna be

[lyric kayak]

I read all of this before

it does not mention turrets or clusters

[tropic forge]

see if you like the way of new world style fits on ark cause its gonna be something like that

[ripe cedar]

in terms of combat, what I dont understand is how invincibility frames will work, they are very big in souls combat and idk if it would be better to have them or remove them for a game like ark, some sort of automated defense seems very likely for the game, I would say garenteed but obviously with us knowing nothing theres always a chance there isn't

[lyric kayak]

new world mmo?

[tropic forge]

yup

[ripe cedar]

where did you get that from?

[tropic forge]

from what they said on steam page, most like gonna be something like new world plus building freely i hope

[ripe cedar]

what do you mean by new world?

[lavish rain]

N

[tropic forge]

the game man from amazon

[ripe cedar]

because from what they have said, the multiplayer aspect will be like ark 1

[lyric kayak]

nice

where did they say that?

[tropic forge]

third person only dark souls combat style and couple other i cant remember now but yeh its there on steam

[ripe cedar]

the fact that is is still an open world pvp survival game,

[lyric kayak]

I dont think invincibility frames will fit

[ripe cedar]

just because how you fight things is different doesnt mean other aspects are different

[lyric kayak]

what happens when you are rolling around under a trex rolling at the right time to avoid its bite

[ripe cedar]

although I do hope a lot of ark 1 mechanics are redone

[lyric kayak]

lol

[ripe cedar]

well the rolling may be more for getting out of the way instead of just using i frames

[lyric kayak]

yeah

[ripe cedar]

and shields may be better too

not just block 100% damage until they break though I hope

[lyric kayak]

for sure

maybe a break shield stun

[tropic forge]

well you have AI attacking you on foot or tame (doubt you will ever see those orcs taming a dino) mission system (raids/dungeons possible)

[lyric kayak]

well ark 1 has missions

conan has npc cities aswell

[ripe cedar]

well I doubt theres a hub area or safe zone or currency shop

[lyric kayak]

Yeah

[tropic forge]

only on gen which i dont mind but i think wc gonna take a diferent approached to that

[ripe cedar]

maybe npc settlements and maybe you can trade with them but thats probably the limit to that

[lyric kayak]

probably just a small camp with a no build zone around it

[tropic forge]

well a market as being ask since EA of ark 1 but yeh i dont see that working but...

[lyric kayak]

with pvp enabled still

fox you are hard to understand

I dont even know what you are trying to say

[ripe cedar]

ark isn't really the type of game to need an in game shop

[lyric kayak]

it broke the game tbh

[ripe cedar]

if you need resources either farm them, join a tribe or trade with other players, and if you dont want to do any of those things ark probably isnt for you

[tropic forge]

not ingame shop more like a market for ppl to trade safely

[lyric kayak]

meta is to get a giga and run the same mission rn velo stalk

[ripe cedar]

if you wanted to be safe, shouldnt play pvp

[lyric kayak]

that would be like a market board

[tropic forge]

who said i play pvp 🤣

[ripe cedar]

or play unofficial that has more rules

[ripe cedar]

well what risk would you have with trading otherwise

[lyric kayak]

they should add trade terminals like rust

[tropic forge]

you still have on pve

[ripe cedar]

dinos aren't a threat once you invent walls

[lyric kayak]

Conan exiles end game can be reached in 3 days

ark can take literal years

to get to end game

[potent hull]

or naver done lol

[lyric kayak]

I think that needs to change

[ripe cedar]

yeah arks can be reached fast too if you have a lot of people and know what you are doing, most of the taking years is mutation breeding being very stupid

and thats only needed for alpha bosses

[lyric kayak]

also character leveling

[tropic forge]

dude dont mix conan whit ark that game come after ark and has little to do whit ark style at least ark 1

[lyric kayak]

is way too high

[potent hull]

doping get you there faster i her or band lol

[ripe cedar]

getting to levels that matter can be done pretty fast, late game leveling is more of a nice bonus,

[tropic forge]

shame on you blades 🤣

[potent hull]

it only what i her lol i do not dop

[tropic forge]

sure

[potent hull]

ii men there way to do ark is to hunt down fox 19 is the last true finlly boss

fox19 kill you in one hit

[ripe cedar]

I think that early game should be better paced because you gain multiple levels every minute at first but also make end game maybe a bit shorter as long as they don't have any stupid fast leveling methods

[west flume]

cant wait for ark 2

[worldly garden]

👀

[past wind]

Maybe that’s the reason why ark is still very popular after almost 8 years. It takes time to finish it + DLCs that expand the lore

[brittle parrot]

I want to know wht boss battle are going to be like ?

[blissful perch]

You’ll have a lot of time to see gameplay since ark 2 isn’t launching on PlayStation…so I wouldn’t rush 😛. I’m sure day 1 footage will also tell us

[brittle parrot]

Chill I have a pc and looking into also add a Xbox

[blissful perch]

Like I said, I suspect we won’t know until day one footage is out. Most games don’t tend to reveal that early. It’ll probably use the combat schemes we know though…mission based and souls like

[untold totem]

Nah ARK is just Stockholm Syndrome with Dinosaurs

Majority of players don't even know the lore exist until the anime announcement

[blissful perch]

It’s true the lore (in full anyway) doesn’t really draw a ton of folks. I believe that’s initially why the notes granted experience boosts

[winged dome]

Finding randomly placed notes in-game across 6 maps that slowly reveal the story in whatever random order you happen upon them is a pretty poor way to tell a story

But I guess there's only so much you can do with a completely non-linear open world game

[blissful perch]

I’d say genesis 2 did a way better job with voice acting in the missions

Each mission is a sort of “one off story” and they cumulate in a boss “finale” that feels like a story is actually being completed

[winged dome]

Yeah, a bit better with Gen2

[gusty ermine]

Any new updates?😔

[blissful perch]

Nope 😞

[worldly garden]

👀

[lunar finch]

[tropic crag]

👁️👄👁️

[past wind]

That’s true, but I’m not talking just about the lore itself. I’m talking about all the new things it brings, like new ascensions, new Dinos, new items etc.

If we were able to have and do everything in a month, it would become boring really fast.

[hazy elm]

we need ark 2 news bruh

or just a dev blog thing

[winged dome]

Soon™️

[rich bluff]

Any gameplay posted for ark 2 yet?

[lunar finch]

No.

[winged dome]

Any announcement will be pinned, you don't need to keep asking~

[split dove]

or look at the official pages (many seemingly can't do that for whatever reason )

[winged dome]

Unconscious psychic aversion.
Prefer instead to believe Youtuber """""news""""" posts

[lunar finch]

They'll also be... ya know, announced. 😄

[tropic crag]

It's almost like the whole discord will be pinged when there's some new info dropped or something... and the incessant asking of info is by people who didn't read the rules and assign roles to themselves... 🤔

[blissful perch]

I should stop responding altogether instead of being sarcastic but I’m not always strong enough to stop myself

[split dove]

on the topic of news/info, i;m surprised how many people are incapable of just searching something from the ark and steam page for ***official *** info, but instead believe everything youtubers (cough cough loadedtoilet) say as if it's fact

[lavish rain]

Tweak out then 🤣

[blissful perch]

Why? It won’t make ark 2 come sooner

It won’t make ark 2 come sooner 😂

[lavish rain]

Well you've seen me tweak out thinking it'll speed things up

Back to ark 2, I think the people asking are just trolling.

[split dove]

just tweak enough so time feels like it flies by

[lavish rain]

That's what I'm doing 🍸

[south lance]

my source of info for everything is strangers on the internet and its pretty successful

i think everyone else just has a skill issue

[untold totem]

since it's 2023, i'm gonna ask this for the curious

immersive dino mating animations when?

[south lance]

💀

[winged dome]

Already exists

[untold totem]

for ARK 2

[winged dome]

Though, just as an April Fool's ...

[south lance]

aratai gf in ark2 when 🤔

[blissful perch]

I’m going to uninstall your discord for that ☠️

[lavish rain]

How

What do you mean shifter!

[ripe marsh]

Buying Aratai gf for 10 T. rex teeth

[south lance]

i am unstoppable

theres no laws against the aratai shifter

[ripe marsh]

lmaoo

[lavish rain]

Get framed

[split dove]

No Bada don't do it

[south lance]

im gonna do it flobs

[green trail]

When will ark 2 be released?

[south lance]

tomorrow

[winged dome]

VinDiago: Grunts in alarm

[south lance]

aka we still are stuck with 2023 as a broad release date

[split dove]

📣 👮

[green trail]

Haven’t seen anything yet

[south lance]

we saw 2 trailers and an ankylo

[glossy tendon]

When will Grand theft Ark be released?

[south lance]

some months after ark2

as a mod

[tropic crag]

When pineapple belongs on pizza

Aka never

😈

[green trail]

People are saying at the end of the year but I’m not sure

[south lance]

if you think about it raiding a base could count as grand theft if the owners bought the spot for >1000 dollars

[green trail]

Just didn’t know if anyone else heard something different?

[split dove]

the year just started, also L for believing random people instead of official news sources

[fallow niche]

Just 2023.

[past wind]

Nothing official

[glossy tendon]

Hopefully Ark 2 is good, Don’t have much faith in it but willing to give it a shot.

[south lance]

itll be fine

youll still probably get addicted to it like ark1

[glossy tendon]

That’s true.

[south lance]

provided the devs maintain the long form survival gameplay loop

[glossy tendon]

Just hope it’s nothing like the first one.

[past wind]

What?

[south lance]

did you like nothing from ark1?

[glossy tendon]

I mean the Dino’s are nice.

[split dove]

yh no, i'm not taking anything said from people like you here serious anymore

[past wind]

If you want something completely different from Ark 1, go play something else

[glossy tendon]

That’s probably a good thing

Really just looking forward to the new battle mechanics and environment.

Perhaps less server issues

[past wind]

Sure, but a lot of Ark 1 will be brought back for the second game, with improvements hopefully

But it won’t be “nothing like the first one”

[glossy tendon]

That’s all I’m looking forward to is slight adjustments, not an entirely wiped slate

[past wind]

They are definitely changing stuff for the second game, you will need to see if it’s for you

[south lance]

the server issues are only problems for people playing in megas where every time they go pvp they crash a server cause someone ddosed it or they slotcap the server

or if youre playing on a server across the world

[glossy tendon]

Definitely intend on it, Regardless I’m buying the game. I mean likelihood is regardless of how it is I’ll end up playing it. If I can play the first one with how the servers and stuff like that are I have faith I’ll become addicted to it. Lmao

[south lance]

ive literally only had server issues some 10 or 20 times outside that context in the past couple years

[vocal kettle]

Off

[south lance]

thats not that bad though lol

[glossy tendon]

I’m literally buying an Xbox just to get Ark 2 lmao

[south lance]

theres definitely exploits that are an issue and maybe ddos

but usually bugs you see that arent player caused are super rare

[past wind]

Before doing that, watch people play and be sure you like it

[south lance]

the issue is moderation really

[glossy tendon]

Yeah, that’s something that def lacks.

[past wind]

I’m not so sure… I know moderated unnofficial servers where the problem is the corrupted moderation 😂

I hope the game will have less issues and things work well

Also, I believe you can’t have moderated FREE servers

[blissful perch]

Based take

[brittle parrot]

@xbox you can ride dinosaur and shoot guns in this one. Awesome.

[blissful perch]

I’m very much down for nothing to be the same between the two games beyond the general “exist and tame stuff” vibe ark has

[brittle parrot]

Confirming guns on game

[blissful perch]

You have not met the average ark chatter then

[past wind]

I hope there will be guns on Ark 2, but I’m not sure the guys managing the Xbox Twitter have any privileged info. So it could be wrong info.

[tropic crag]

👀

[brittle parrot]

Well then I can sue the for false information I screen shot the page easy money

[past wind]

If you lost money because of that info, go ahead

But seriously, I would like guns

[blissful perch]

I’m not about them. But if they must be in the game let’s have them be flintlock rather than shotguns and fabis

[brittle parrot]

Are pillars allowed lol

[potent hull]

i hop not

[past wind]

That’s what I’m talking about. They can remove assault rifles and tek guns. But I'd like to see guns, to be able to shoot things 😂

[potent hull]

no pillareing ples ty

[past wind]

The new building system is also unknown

[brittle parrot]

One of my friends really want cosmetics customization really bad he say ark is missing this

[past wind]

Ark has cosmetic stuff, not sure what he means

[brittle parrot]

I’m mean is self understanding more hair options more character customization options

[winged dome]

More variety would be nice. How many Hawaiian shirts and booty shorts variations do we have?

[glossy ermine]

@past windSounded like it would be a Schematic type of Building so you Build Customize it befor you start building

[past wind]

Ok, he wants more then. Based on the trailers so far, I would say things seem to be more customized (like the Rex saddle that has a lot of details, like the flag).

[past wind]

I didn’t think they mean that

I think they meant you can build and share the blueprint of your building

[glossy ermine]

well i hope thats what they Mean. Sharing Base design with people Thru Schematics would be cool

[brittle parrot]

Why you talking in third person

[past wind]

But I’m not sure you can’t build freely like on the first ark

[glossy ermine]

i dont see why not

[past wind]

Aren’t you talking about your friend?

[brittle parrot]

Oh lol thought you were referring to me as the he

[south lance]

i dont think corruption would be anywhere as common on offi

[past wind]

You said your friend thinks ark 1 needs more cosmetics, I was answering to that

[south lance]

though theres a ton of rumors about wc mods playing favorites, i somehow doubt that they are true

[past wind]

Sure, but the other problem would the costs

All moderated servers I know, from other games, are usually premium servers you need to pay to have access

I mean, free servers have some kind of moderation, but to have good moderation, usually you will need to pay.

[south lance]

ya thats the main issue, takes way too much time to justify in place of the current ticket system

[south lance]

?

[past wind]

Example:

[south lance]

that sounds like a cool way to kill a playerbase lol

[past wind]

When I played CS, the free servers were full hackers. To play on moderated servers you would need to pay for premium servers/communities

When I say moderated, read effective moderation 🤣

[south lance]

idk how much id apply arena fps issues to ark

especially since cs is free

so you can just keep making alts

[past wind]

I mean, Ark had a peak of 80k players today. How many GMs would it need to have a good moderation system?

[past wind]

It wasn’t free back then

[south lance]

a lot of those are playing on moderated unofficials or servers that dont need moderation like pve or dedis

[ember oracle]

Still cheaters lol

[south lance]

i dont know the actual official pvp population

[tropic crag]

The old "this game is nothing like Ark, so therefore the comparison is irrelevant", gotta love it

[south lance]

cheaters on free fps are bound to be way bigger of an issue lol

on ark you just lose more to a cheater cause theyll wipe 3000 hours of work

[past wind]

I know, but would you agree with me that the current system needs a larger moderation staff, right? Do you think they can pay for it?

[south lance]

doesnt mean its anywhere near as common

[south lance]

yes they need a stupid number of mods to actually fix offi

[brittle parrot]

Ark community has been proven toxic join a sotf match and listen how everyone talks

[south lance]

i just dont think anyone can know the actual number witjout knowing the offi population

[blissful perch]

The game encourages toxicity

[brittle parrot]

Some kid told me to spread my cheeks because I ask for help killing a rhino he already had a Dino then he just ate it infront of me

[rugged flower]

Any competitive game is filled with toxic players. Its just easier for them to spread it around on ark. Via open game chat, flag paintings in sotf, uncensored names etc.

[blissful perch]

The gameplay itself makes people toxic

Imaging building something up for 1000 hours and it getting wiped because you went to bed. That’s gonna make people upset

Loss of agency is a major reason people become toxic

[rugged flower]

Yeah, but thats just what pvp is on the game. Kinda have to expect that if you make the commitment to play.

[blissful perch]

“That’s how it is” is my point too, which is that game intrinsically makes people toxic and encourages people to BE toxic

If the gameplay is “anyone at any time can reduce my work to nothing” trust is hard to cultivate, people have no reason to be kind or allow others to play on a server with them (they’d prefer to wipe everything they can find until everyone else logs off), etc

[brittle parrot]

Don’t get me wrong me so really cool people but it rare tbh

[south lance]

ark players having to do the same task over and over again for hundreds of hours is a less than winning recipe for civility

let alone pvp players literally losing hundreds of hours of work monthly

[rugged flower]

If voice chat is bothering you in game turn it off. I did mostly because its loud and you can hear someone like 10 miles away lol

[south lance]

the sheer time alotment is insane

it needs to be cut down

[blissful perch]

Yep, it rivals an MMORPG, and most of those games protect people’s progress

[south lance]

i dont think any game exists with similar time commitment besides maybe eve idk

[stray elm]

Facebook games

[blissful perch]

Most MMORPGs require stupid time commitments, but it’s never round the clock like ark because your stuff isn’t at risk when you log off

[tropic crag]

You admittedly don't play like, half as many games as almost anyone here, though 😂

[rugged flower]

I remember rust being pretty toxic and draining as well