ark-2

[grave python]

major update: fixed an exploit

[blissful perch]

ATLAS and ark may have conflicted back in 2017, but the two teams are entirely separate now afaik

[grave python]

atlas needs a fix for having ark content in it

specifically ark sotf content

u can spawn in any base game dino from ark in atlas

[ionic meteor]

ARK 2 is just one big tlc

[grave python]

and what's even worse is that spawned sarcos are nosetooth

ark 2 will also fail because of 3rd person only gameplay

[blissful perch]

Biggest TLC ever: TLC of the whole dang game 😂

[grave python]

for me ark combat would be perfect if not 1 annoying bug

which is arrow desincking

[blissful perch]

I’m good with removing all hitscan weapons

[grave python]

atlas doesn't have any arrow desinc so it's combat would be best for ark 2

[mint swan]

Clown opinion

[prisma pike]

You're actually not worth talking to 😂

Objectively wrong

[past wind]

Well, I’m pretty sure desync is related to the server ping. When I played Atlas it had a lot more players and desync was bad. Ark 2 will have desync if they don’t have stable servers.

[mint swan]

The famous "I shot my crossbow and saw the creature get hit but i actually didn't shoot but my crossbow needs to reload but won't reload and it reloads nothing until i realize it didn't fire but still wants me to reload."

-Feature, not a bug. The pump shotty is also another source of this sometimes.

[past wind]

It’s definitely an issue, but not related to the engine itself or the game mechanics, but the stability of the servers.

[prisma pike]

That's mostly just the bows only seen it like twice on a gun

[mint swan]

Happens to longnecks with darts sometimes. Not as often as the Xbow though. Shotgun is only the first shot on a creature for some reason.

I remember watching Slipg8r when Valguero came out and him raging while trying to tame a spino ^^ good times

[prisma pike]

True yeah it does happen with long neck

Tbh it's mostly projectile weapons

[mint swan]

I also hope Ark 2 is no longer mashing left click 300 times.

surprised i haven't broken more mice 🤣

[prisma pike]

Use an autoclicker

[past wind]

How would they avoid it?

I mean, it’s there for any mmorpg 🤣

I use macros for that. It’s a non issue

[untold ingot]

By having a souls like combat?

[grave python]

i have desinc in SP

[past wind]

Ark isn’t a clock simulator just because of the combat

[grave python]

how to get banned on official

[past wind]

There are other activities you will need to click a lot, like farming

[untold ingot]

Maybe lol, but it would really help a lot having better methods to do that lol

[past wind]

I just use macros and I’m fine

[mortal kestrel]

who are you again?

[grave python]

i was baned on mts 2 times for it

[past wind]

Sure, I’m not against it, but I doubt we won’t have to click a lot on the new game

[grave python]

and once on sotf

[mint swan]

Macros are fine, but just autofighting while standing still is boring. Not saying I don't enjoy it, but it really has no place in Ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

I agree

[grave python]

i'm reporting u to mts admins for using macros

[mint swan]

Alternate attacks and rewarding attentiveness and skill should be focus. I would assume if WC mentions souls-like they have something in mind. Who knows.

[past wind]

If your issue is clicking a lot to fight, you might be pleased with the new version

[late compass]

souls like combat doesnt sound like something that would suit a game like ark

[prisma pike]

Someone who can actually think for themselves. Unlike your TikTok opinion you have.

[past wind]

The new combat mechanics are probably the biggest change

[grave python]

how are u gonna shoot a bow?

have half of the screen gone because of a scroller UI?

where would extended hud go?

[mint swan]

shooting bows in Valheim is fun. Not hard

[grave python]

because valheim doesn't have a hood that takes out half of the screen

especially the scuba mask

[mortal kestrel]

sorry but mentioning tiktok makes you hard to take seriously

in fact, I'd say you're projecting because I dont even watch tiktok

you built like you think life hack channels are genious

[prisma pike]

Projection?

I mean you're objectively wrong on the previous topic so idk why ur talking

So quiet down and let people talk about ark 2

[late compass]

😂

[grave python]

don't forget that all dinos in ark 2 will have the same taming mechanics as amarga

wildcard never tested amarga taming themselves

[prisma pike]

They should make every tame hyenadon taming

[grave python]

yes. no food needed

the cheapest tame to ever exist in ark

[prisma pike]

Pet them till they love you

[blissful perch]

True or not, I do fear that the new taming in ark 2 will be equally janky

where the intended way is damn near impossible because of frustrating nonsense and the discovered way is through utter cheese

[untold ingot]

The biggest issue with the amarga taming is losing taming effectiveness, the tame isn't actually that bad

[grave python]

the biggest issue is that it aggroes to every single direwolf in range and gets eaten by them before u even feed it

[blissful perch]

I watched a wolf get stuck under the amarga neck and kill it (since the two were inside each other, I couldn’t hit the wolf without hitting the amarga)

It was insanely jank

[untold ingot]

That could be fixed by not having as many creatures Spawn lol. Although I do agree that the method is better suited to carnivores than herbivores

[split dove]

the Carchar method was basicly a better and slightly more refined amarga tame

[blissful perch]

I’m talking about ONE wolf

[untold ingot]

That's an issue that I hope gets fixed for ark2, it's hitboxes, not the actual taming method

[blissful perch]

It is hitboxes, but if a taming method uses hitboxes it should be tested properly before deployment

[prisma pike]

I mean hitboxes won't be an issue of they make the dinos actually do stuff besides run in a line and bite

[blissful perch]

…what?

Hitboxes are extremely important, even moreso in souls combat where people expect accurate hitboxes for spacing purposes

[prisma pike]

?

Souls games all have shitboxes

Oh god

[wintry urchin]

Souls ≠ ARK

[prisma pike]

It's box

[blissful perch]

Compared to ark 1 hitboxes souls hitboxes are godlike

[prisma pike]

Tbh nobody really cares about hitboxes in souls games besides all you do in ds is iframe stuff

[blissful perch]

Where you iframe to and how fair that feels is entirely linked to having tight accurate hitboxes

[prisma pike]

You dodge into the attack, boom.

Hitboxes in souls games are massive af

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 if you’re within a 10 mile radius of a giga you’re in the bite hitbox. Which is hilariously inaccurate

[grave python]

1 bite with a giga> all attack dodging skill

[prisma pike]

You can stand on its back and not get bit lol

[grave python]

pre-tlc spino as well

[blissful perch]

teleports on top of giga from below

[prisma pike]

Erm, Tek suit op?

[blissful perch]

Dunno why you’re missing the point, but ark 1 has extremely large inaccurate hitboxes for many creatures. They’re gonna need to be tighter in ark 2

[grave python]

what about the monke with a gun

the dinopithecus

leave it on turret mode, no skill to sniping suits

[untold ingot]

Tbh, nanite could make hitboxes perfect, unless I really don't understand the tech lol

[blissful perch]

Usually hitboxes are given slight preference to players (IE they’re larger)

But they aren’t absurd 180 degree giga bite cones 😂

[past wind]

Isn’t server ping more relevant than the game engine itself?

[mint swan]

[desert swallow]

nanite doesn't have anything to do with it. (hit box/collision)

[blissful perch]

Hitboxes are fixed: ping just determines things like reg and player perception

[untold ingot]

The biggest reason hitboxes aren't the exact same as the model of the creature is the polygon count would be too high

[past wind]

My hope is wildcard made a deal with Microsoft to have access to the azure network and use it as their official servers 🤣

[desert swallow]

in 2016 it shouldn't have been that bad

computers could handle it. Not sure what the problem would have been with the giga

[blissful perch]

Again, the ark 1 hitboxes are massive, and I suspect it has nothing to do with the engine

[past wind]

I know, but good hitboxes with high ping won’t be good

[blissful perch]

They’d be fine

[untold ingot]

Nanite makes less lag for servers too lol

[blissful perch]

High ping will just suck like it always does. Good hitboxes won’t change anything 😂

[desert swallow]

Nanite makes less lag for your pc

[past wind]

Good to hear 🤔

[desert swallow]

not server

[past wind]

I didn’t know that

[desert swallow]

Nanite makes very small polygons possible in distance for rendering

[past wind]

That’s my point 🤣

[past wind]

But making the game need less processing wouldn’t help the load on servers?

[desert swallow]

no, because the server doesn't do any graphic processing

[past wind]

I know, but nanite only works for the rendering side?

Nothing related to the physics and all?

[untold ingot]

It doesn't directly do server lag, but it cuts down a lot on server to client lag

[desert swallow]

it makes your computer process high quality visuals faster

[untold ingot]

Nanite is not a physics thing. It's just a rendering thing

[past wind]

If it does, it will be good

[desert swallow]

server latency remains the same.

[past wind]

Well, I’m confused then 🤣

Anyways, Ark 2 needs better servers

[desert swallow]

Source: Software engineer with 20 years experience who has dabbled in game creation, and taken the Unreal course from Unreal Sensai

[past wind]

The Azzure network might be on their agreements I hope

[desert swallow]

Why is that a desired thing?

[past wind]

More servers, all over the world, I guess

Better prices

[desert swallow]

Unofficial providers use cloud providers

[past wind]

I mean for the official network

Unnos are another beast

[desert swallow]

Depends how much control they want over network and hardware I guess.

[past wind]

They usually focus on regional audiences

And have better ping

[past wind]

AFAIK they don’t have much already

They already use a 3rd party for that

[desert swallow]

It very well might be hosted there then. They would have a custom azure agreement for sure

[past wind]

My hope

People who played atlas on the first days know they should focus on their network of servers day one

[desert swallow]

didn't play but saw the videos. There was definitely some bad coding in there too.

it was a disaster

[past wind]

Yeah

Ark 2 will be released as an AAA title

There will be plenty of players on day one

Also because of Game Pass

[untold ingot]

Will it be an AAA game, I haven't heard anything official about that

[past wind]

“As an” AAA title

The studio is small, but the first title sold ~30 million copies only on Steam

There’s a huge community. Add the people on Gamepass that can download it “for free”

[untold ingot]

That doesn't mean it's a AAA though

[past wind]

“As an” = player base

Not saying they have an AAA title

I’m talking solely about the numbers and possible load on the servers on the first days

I don’t even know what are the requirements to call a game AAA 🤣

[untold ingot]

Number of players and server load has nothing to do with AAA or not lol

It's more the funding and how well known the team is

[past wind]

Ok, it will have numbers of big games on the first days, and WC should focus on their network of official servers to avoid past issues

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I totally agree. I am really hoping their servers are better coded

[thick moat]

Honestly vin diesel being involved with ark 2 makes it AAA if they paid a lot? The marketing part at lesst

[desert swallow]

First day of a big game is always a sh*t show. Don't book the first day off work, book the second or third off.

[untold ingot]

Maybe, that's a good point though

[untold ingot]

Or wait a week to buy it lol

[past wind]

I expect lots of restarts and updates

[thick moat]

Im enduring queues 1st minute the game launches, No questions asked lmao

[untold ingot]

Lol, I am still up in the air how early I'll buy it

[past wind]

You will be behind me, that’s a fact

[thick moat]

hell nah

im the biggest fanboy of ark no cap

[past wind]

I have the right to feel the huge pain of the first days of Ark 2

[split dove]

by the time i download ark 2 it will be day 2 due to my slow download speeds, so i will be third in line

[past wind]

Steam doesn’t help also

[marble thunder]

I'm hoping GeForce now will have ARK 2 available day one.

[past wind]

Day one I doubt it

They always take some time to implement changes on their library

Even the ark updates can take a day

[marble thunder]

sadly 😦

[past wind]

It will be on Xcloud tho

And they might put it there day one

[ionic meteor]

I'll play it on day 7 😂

problem with living in an area with limited internet

[quasi ledge]

By the time mine done ark 3 will be out

Or maybe 4

[potent hull]

or no ark for you

[quasi ledge]

Probably

[frail fable]

I cant wait for the gameplay, any day now

[thick moat]

I don't see why they couldn't be making a prelaunch install, it would help so many people enjoy it day 1

[blissful perch]

Ping is hard limited by the speed of light. Ping going crazy though is something both servers (and your internet) are responsible for

[limpid hull]

im so bored af plx release it sooner

[untold ingot]

I mean, the speed of light limit would make ping significantly better if we actually could reach it

[south lance]

microsecond ping 💪

[blissful perch]

You and I both know the sentiment is true regardless, which is that an AU and US player are not gonna be able to avoid a ping gap 😂

[past wind]

Of course they can, by choosing to play on a server for their own regions. But first WC needs to have servers spread over all continents/regions. Hence why I hope they use Azzure.

Nowadays we have basically US and EU servers.

[untold ingot]

Why azure specifically?

[desert swallow]

I think the logic he's going with is it's Microsoft and Xbox is owned by Microsoft

[tropic crag]

Attosecond ping 🦾

[south lance]

literally gaming from the main serverroom

[stray elm]

Yes, but the first one wasn't.
And they shutted down those servers and removed it from all platforms.

[prisma pike]

You said it like you had to pay for the update XD

At least you get to keep your skins from the first game

Oh, I see that bruising reacted to literally all of my messages. That's how you know you're right lol.

[tropic crag]

Except... a lot of them were removed from accounts or downgraded, like the Zen Cthulhu skin and the Zarya barbarian skin 🤡

Overwatch 2 also showed in the games and apps page as well as when viewing a friend's profile as Overwatch: Origins Edition for weeks after launch, if you needed any more evidence of the devs being lazy, lmao

[prisma pike]

If you lost your skins that's because your account wasn't set up properly. Or at all most likely.

[tropic crag]

Riiiiiiiiight... keep coping

[past wind]

Because Microsoft owns it, I hope they settled agreements not only about exclusivity and gamepass, but also about hosting it on their servers.

I think Nitrado didn’t cope well for Ark 1, IMO

[mint swan]

[past wind]

Ark 1 was bigger they ever imagined, I guess, and they weren’t ready for it

[prisma pike]

Sounds like you're coping with your needless and blind disdain for something you don't understand. But project, manchild 😂.

[tropic crag]

The ranking system for comp is also perfect now, and all the characters are balanced, and the game is fun to play, sure 🤣

[prisma pike]

What's even azure

Is it like a really good server host or something?

[split dove]

''most characters'' even sojourn isn't nerfed after 1 whole season

[tropic crag]

(That was the joke, lol)

[mint swan]

Basically Microsoft's cloud services. Gargantuan and better off just googling it.

[prisma pike]

Wdym a 190dmg headshot is a super nerf!

[prisma pike]

Hope it's better than their cloud play services

I tried it once on flight simulator and that shits ass

[mint swan]

Cloud gaming in general 🤮

[blissful perch]

Sorry, I meant a U.S. and AU player both trying to play together cannot avoid the physical distance and thus ping gap that results

OW2 sounds a lot like what a lot of people wanted ark 2 to be: a largely reskinned ark 1 experience

[prisma pike]

The gameplay of overwatch 1 and 2 is very different. Those who say it isn't probably never got to a high enough level to know what overwatch 1s gameplay was. It was literally just a cancerfest of stunlocks and shields.

It was a slow, boring and annoying as shit to play.

[untold ingot]

Let's get back on topic thanks

[woven idol]

what do you guys think ark 2 will be like

as in the gameplay

i got a sad feeling it could be restricted like some sort of story line, i hope not

ark is ark when you're free to do whatever you want

[split dove]

have you looked at the steampage yet? if so it describes what the gameplay will be like

and yes it will still be a sandbox game like ark 1

[rugged coral]

I kind of worry that the more difficult taming methods will become standard for the sequel

[untold ingot]

I would bet on that honestly

[rugged coral]

I think in a lot of instances it could be fine. But if everything is tamed likea shadowmane or a rock elemental, people will probably have a lot less dinosaurs

[split dove]

i just want to move away from the majority of creatures being the simple tranq and afk feed tame, though i don't want it to be as frustrating as some unique tames currently in ark 1

[untold ingot]

That is an a around good thing imo. Tames should be more valuable, and having less also means less server lag

[brave shuttle]

@drowsy ibex ark 2 update please

[desert swallow]

perma ban

[mighty lion]

7/29 was the last time a dev spoke in this chat

[late compass]

i hope with ark 2 the useless dinos like pego, troodon, compy, etc get something unique that would make them useful for progressing and actually worth taming

[split dove]

not announced at this moment, it's good to look at recent games requirements to try and speculate what it might take for the minimum requirements

[sonic elbow]

I think it's funny how the devs have said they actively try not to outdate old creatures, yet dinosaurs like the Archeopteryx exist.

[stray elm]

Everyone, I have something to show.
I've found a interview from the CEO of Snail-Games (parent company of Wildcard) and it seems like they want to integrate a form of NFT's and Crypto-trading's in ARK-2, and it appears this is what ARK-2 is being built on.
Not only that, but further in the interview, it seems like the CEO is stating they want to claim all legal ownership of any mods created for ARK-2 for 'copyright protection.' Which is bullshit, to say the least, since if you create a model and textures for a mod, you legally own that model and texture.

If you want me to DM you the interview, just tag or DM me and I'll send it, and you can be the judge of this.
This is at least what 'I' took from the interview, so please do have your own judgement on this topic.

[sonic elbow]

Snailgames make good descisions challenge

(Difficulty impossible)

[stray elm]

Right?

[stray elm]

You want me to send it to you?

[sonic elbow]

Yes

[stray elm]

From what I took from it, it sounds like ARK-2 is being created for this.
So it's more or less fucked.

@split dove You want to see also?

[sonic elbow]

[stray elm]

This is how I feel.

[split dove]

the small text was already enough crypto shit for me, why tf do they still want to go with crypto

[stray elm]

Money

It's always about the fucking money.

[split dove]

First Doug and now that idiot from snail games

[stray elm]

People can't create shit for passion anymore, but also appreciate the dollars they make off of a product.
They always want more, and more.
Even if it means ruining a beloved franchise.

[stray elm]

Doug is just a CEO of Wildcard.
Which is owned by Snail-Games.
Doug could be easily hate the concept, but has to put on a smile.

[split dove]

i swear the crypto ceo's are braindead at this point

[sonic elbow]

Last time NFTs were brought up, community managers said they were against it. If they do happen, they're going to try to push them down under the rest of the game’s content.

[stray elm]

There's also a tweet from a old CEO member of Wildcard that left that stated "we had to fight for them to not add p2w stuff in the first-game"

[sonic elbow]

Physical currency has underlying value such as gold or silver.
Crypto?
The underlying value is "trust me bro".

[split dove]

''trust me bro, the sales won't tank bc of our crypto plan''

[stray elm]

If I give you a physical dollar, you know I just gave you a dollar.
But it's easy to replicate Crypto.

Not just this, but also buying digital one-off items in a game you already paid for is shit.
From what it sounded like, you're able to 'own and sell your own planet' which is......'interesting'

[sonic elbow]

Nooo.....

[stray elm]

So I guess we know what the 't' in Arat stands for.

[split dove]

i actually hope this shit doesn't make it in

[stray elm]

I hope so to.
But it seems like this is how the game is being developed.

[sonic elbow]

This is going to be one of the few times I do this. Clown react Snailgames.

🤡 Snailgames moment.

[stray elm]

Hope Wildcard sees this, and makes a statement.

I know for sure Youtubers are going to have a hay-day when they find this out.

[split dove]

Snail games studio invasion when?

[stray elm]

That's in China.
Which is currently not having the best of days right now.

[sonic elbow]

"I just wanna talk to him. I just wanna talk to him."

[split dove]

muthafuc

[stray elm]

Anyway, until I get proven otherwise and ARK-2 somehow is actually a good game. Then the survivor fucking blew up the Genesis-ship with everyone on it, and that's the end of the ARK-storyline.

Anyway, if you guys want to spread this, go ahead.
The more people who know about this before ARK-2 comes out, the more people can fully understand that Snail-Games don't deserve a fucking single cent from your wallet.

[split dove]

even if nfts are in, i hope they're limited to a cosmetic shop like HNL-A

[stray elm]

Doubt it.
Again, they talked about owning planets, and specific assets.

Oh, oh, oh, not just that.

[stray elm]

From at least what I understood from the interview.
They want to "own the legal right to all content modders create, since they don't have any legal protection, and we just want to protect them"
Which is bullshit, since if I made a model, original or not, and don't market it, then that's legally 'MY' model.
And so, it does have legal protection.

[split dove]

did they also talk about the metaverse? wich is fucking dead at this point and not worth it

[stray elm]

Nah, it's not 'the' metaverse that Facebook made.

Sounds like ARK-2 'is' their version of the metaverse.

[split dove]

if this shit is all true with ark 2's launch then they could be turning one of their best selling games into a financial failure. we all hope the devs can push them away like with ark 1 p2w shit they wanted

[late compass]

it would be funny seeing vin diesel promoting ark 2 nfts

[stray elm]

Which is saddening, and worrying.
ARK-2 is Wildcard's only product besides ARK-1, and if it fails, then they're fucked.

[prisma pike]

Send me it

[crimson sonnet]

damm there are some bad vibes in here

[stray elm]

Bad-vibes coming from a publisher, also

[crimson sonnet]

snail games usa?

[sonic elbow]

Like usual.

[crimson sonnet]

well it sounds like what grove street games did to ark mobile.. in a way

[tropic crag]

Not at all, microtransactions can be a cool, interesting way to fund further game development; NFTs cannot, because they are evil in every sense of the word

Same with cryptocurrency

May the great old ones feast on the bone marrow of whomever invented both of those concepts

[crimson sonnet]

maybe its an ingame system xD like ima give u my first ever hunted dodo for this metal spear u have... xD

[stray elm]

Nope, not how that shit works

[split dove]

The shit I'd do if I could time travel and rid us off NFT's and cryptocurrency

[stray elm]

NFT's and Crypto are meant for real-world money

[crimson sonnet]

wait until its official and then u can talk about that i guess

[late compass]

microtransactions are still a horrible idea

i would understand if it was for skins

but not actual gear

[stray elm]

It's more or less is when the CEO of Snail-Games stated that's what they're doing, and a old Wildcard dev that left opened up that they tried to do this before

[tropic crag]

I don't like them either, but they can be a great source of income, I almost exclusively think they should only be skins though lol

[stray elm]

Especially if a game is free.

[late compass]

ark 2 is never going to be free

[stray elm]

No shit, but we where talking about microtransations in general

[tropic crag]

Mobile is, that's the point

[late compass]

well this is an ark 2 chat and we were talking about microtransactions in ark 2

[tropic crag]

No, we were talking about NFTs in Ark 2

[sonic elbow]

Iirc Atlas had microtransactions for a little bit?

For Emotes.

[stray elm]

I don't recall this.

[tropic crag]

And microtransactions are adjacent to NFTs, in a way

[tropic crag]

I don't believe so

[sonic elbow]

I do, I think it was from a ThiccFreedom video. I'll see if I can find it.

[stray elm]

ThiccFreedom always tried to make drama when there was none to be had.
But I can totally see it in Atlas, I just don't remember if they did

[crimson sonnet]

and now zombo entered the game lol

[stray elm]

@sonic elbow Yeeep, told you.
They like to make shit up sometimes.

[sonic elbow]

Nah you're right it was TF speculating on something that was never even remotely brought up, like usual.

[stray elm]

That looked like it was from a different game.

[sonic elbow]

Tbf I watched it like, right when it came out 3 years ago, can't blame me for mixing stuff up.

Hot take, I liked Atlas.

[stray elm]

Fair

[coral basalt]

I like dinosaurs 🦕

[stray elm]

Atlas wasn't bad, it got more funded

[sonic elbow]

I hope some of the Atlas concepts make their way into ARK 2 such as health bars on everything, lock on, the combat was good (minus gunplay)

Gunplay was doodoo.

Even when they tried to fix it, it was awful. The concept of a qte to reload though... me likey.....

[stray elm]

Well, it doesn't matter what they add into ARK-2 if it's all NFT and Crypto shit.

[sonic elbow]

I'm not happy about it, but the gameplay looks good. See it's funny because we haven't seen any gameplay.
Soon.

Statement has me thinking we'll see something soon, OR we'll finally get TAS to hold us over.

Reverse blackwashed Helena funni

[split dove]

Very likely news of both soon

[sonic elbow]

Hoping.

[sonic elbow]

On another note when are you going to change to bald Eggman?

[split dove]

Whenever I feel like it (so never)

[sonic elbow]

Fair enough.

[tropic crag]

Tf does that even mean?

[sonic elbow]

Inside joke you wouldn't understand.

Deducated lore Discord moment.

[tropic crag]

Kinda just sounds racist, from the outside, but ok

[sonic elbow]

ok

Anyways back to ARK 2.

I think we're gonna see the Genesis Creatures.

At least Maewing.

No R-Dinos, though, and I wonder how they'll explain that away in the story.

[mint swan]

Hopefully

[crimson sonnet]

i really loved the abbarant glowing dinos

[sonic elbow]

And probbbably nothing like Stryders, unless there's like, a Malfunctioned Stryder Hunt Mission.

[crimson sonnet]

like ...4 k oled full spectrum colored and then look over the edge and like there is an ankylo...

[sonic elbow]

Imagine Santiago having to protect his daughter from his own creation.... the irony almost TRIPLES here.

[crimson sonnet]

what i got was like no tek for u only like artifacts/ fragments of the past

[sonic elbow]

Like, we're HERE because of him, and his daughter is on DANGER because of him, and then the creation he made to get RID of the very thing that started all of this is now trying to harm him and his child.

[stray elm]

I'm gonna be honest, anything I had for ARK-2 has been snuffed until they prove otherwise that NFT's wont be in ARK-2.
Probably wont be in this channel much anymore.

[sonic elbow]

The irony is absolutely golden in my eyes.

[crimson sonnet]

[sonic elbow]

In my eyes, the same toxic people who said ARK 2 is gonna fail from the start and they aren't buying it (not talking about you, your circumstance is different) are going to be the same suckers lining up day 1 to play and complain about PVP, and NOW we have to deal with 'my NFT didn't sell well, screw you Wildcard! Fix your game and NFT garbage!'

An irony even more rich.

Unlike the people who are buying the NFTs. They're broke.

[stray elm]

Yeah, the sucky thing is we can theorize all we want.
But now it doesn't matter, cause people can just fucking pay to get a creature into ARK-2, if they pay a modder to do so that're now under Snail-Games.

So like..........fuck

I'm calling it now.
This'll be one of those games that had great potential, but a publisher had to fuck it up.

I really hope I'm wrong, I really do.
I really hope this is just a senile old man talking shit when Wildcard doesn't need to listen.
But I doubt that.

[sonic elbow]

Here's a wacky proposition
We hack ARK 2 and siphon all the NFTs

Legally, I'm joking

Morally I do not care

It would be very funny in my eyes.

[stray elm]

There's no laws on NFT's, that's the issue.

[tropic crag]

If NFTs in any capacity (even just externally but promoted within the game) are in the game, I'm not buying it. NFTs and crypto are evil

[stray elm]

They're the worlds biggest scam.

[crimson sonnet]

oh my god is it still nft stuff here reeee xD

[sonic elbow]

In my CTC Class, the Language Arts teacher keeps trying to make us write about NFTs, and every time I've bashed them to Hell and back. I don't think she's very happy with me. It sucks that I may have to bash my favorite franchise for NFTs as well.

[stray elm]

The fuck else you expect?
This is big enough that people aren't going to buy the game over it.

Hell, I saw a youtuber stating they wont buy the game if it does have NFT's, and already a few people are rallying with them.

[crimson sonnet]

well i buy a dodo if they put it in to say thx for the first game wich was so great il spend thousands of hours for so less money in there like its a way to support them at least

[sonic elbow]

Turns out the 'millions of weapon combinations' are locked behind an NFT wall.

[stray elm]

TRUE

[sonic elbow]

They way they word it is now concerning to me under this new light.

[stray elm]

They're not going to add a fucking free content for 'thanks'
That fucking defeats the purpose of NFT's.

[crimson sonnet]

omg can u please calm down?

[stray elm]

Fuck no.

NFT's piss me the fuck off.

[sonic elbow]

Fair enough. I'm going to bed. There's totally not going to be a statement about this tonight. Totally. (I'm hoping for a statement tonight, but I know we're not getting one. )

[stray elm]

Dollie did state something when the last guy stated NFT's, but she's just a product manager.

Unless they all threaten to leave like they had to fight for in ARK-1, then NFT's are staying.

[sonic elbow]

That pretty much boiled down to-
'We can't do anything about it, but if it happens we're going to do everything in our power to water them down and just make them a side-thing.'

[stray carbon]

Your thoughts are echoed across the community.

When I release my next video on this, it should send the message.

[tropic crag]

Let's hope her statement holds true... for the franchise's sake

[stray elm]

Like they did to the bionic skins, hopefully.

[tropic crag]

Godspeed

[stray elm]

Fuck the franchise.
For the lives of the Wildcard employees sake.
I don't want anyone in Wildcard to suffer from this.

[sonic elbow]

Huh. I forgot those existed because for the first 2 years I had them they wouldn't show up in my Inventory.

Mfw I pay for Skins I can't use.

[stray elm]

Still a skill issue

[sonic elbow]

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[sonic elbow]

But... Tek Mosa. *Cri

[stray elm]

Honestly, I'd take paid-skins over all of this shit.

[sonic elbow]

Definitely.

[stray elm]

At least they'd look cool

[sonic elbow]

I'd take payed Skins that are still bugged and I can't use.

I'd buy them twice, even. Just no NFTs.

[stray elm]

Well, seems like you're taken them anyway.

Merrie, btw.

[sonic elbow]

At least they're usable now. 😭

Anyways, I'm off.

[stray elm]

If you're wondering where all of this came from, and if we're just riling up over nothing.
This came from the CEO of Snail-Games themselves.

[safe oriole]

A lot of content creators I know (and myself included) also share in these thoughts. I believe Dollie addressed somewhat recently that Ark2 wouldn't have anything in relation to microtransactions so I hope this still holds true.

[stray elm]

Actually, Tiia said it best

[tropic crag]

Here's hoping 🤞

[stray elm]

"I wanna go back to the time where our biggest fear was that developers did yet another Battle Royale."
A battle-royale in ARK is better then NFT's. 💀

[stray carbon]

Based on what I've just found out today, this may have been contradicted by upper management.

But before I say anything for sure, I'll have facts. Don't worry.

[stray elm]

Yeah, she is just a product manger afterall.
Someone like the CEO of Snail-Games would have more of a final say then her.

[safe oriole]

I hope we get some concrete information soon, this is a pretty loaded topic that will make or break a lot of players

[stray elm]

It's certainly breaking me

[untold ingot]

I would be really interested in an official statement. What I have seen on it so far is mostly extrapolation. I am hoping that is all it is too lol

[stray elm]

This was from a official statement

This was from the CEO of Snail-Games himself.

[untold ingot]

I read the article. It didn't specifically mention ark2 in any concrete way

[stray elm]

I can send you the video.

[stray elm]

It was in the interview.

[tropic crag]

It kinda did, sadly

[untold ingot]

I haven't seen a video yet

[stray elm]

Then there's the NFT shareholders supporting Doug on Linkdin

[crimson sonnet]

i listend to it aswell with natural and it was boring bot nothing specifficly about ark 2

and also it was the topic of the chineese snail games not the us

[stray elm]

They're the same.
US Snail-games is owned by the Chinese Snail-Games

[crimson sonnet]

so basicly a boss seeing the doughter company over the ocean talk about it so they brought it up

[stray elm]

I'm hoping this is just for the Chinese-version of ARK-2

[twilit sky]

[crimson sonnet]

help xD

[mint swan]

ark 2 is gonna be a 3rd person action adventure game similar to horizon forbidden west but with a form of building and the ability to tame an army

from what I've read and seen, this seems to be absolutely true

[prisma pike]

The video at the top of the page right?

[stray elm]

Yep

[wind finch]

Where is the interview?

[ocean tendon]

Elden Ark: Forbidden West

[wind finch]

🙂

[thick moat]

I seen it on twitter live but can't find it anymore

[blissful perch]

The idealistic posturing of a CEO is not law

[thick moat]

Nvm found it

[quaint horizon]

It was a Twitter space and a twitch vod

[copper lotus]

Will ark 2 only be next gen console?

[untold totem]

Yep and only next gen console

[naive elbow]

Im scared of snail game they want to do ark 2 p2w

[fallow niche]

@naive elbow

[naive elbow]

Thank you 🤍

Good thing it's not going to be like that, they would kill the entire game

[untold totem]

I feel like this Dollie post will be forever pinned

just in case

My fear is that whole Souls bs makes ARK 2, "Baby's first ARK"

[wind finch]

You know it's not that big of a deal

To have nft's in the game

[untold totem]

Ew

That is worse

Just let crypto bs die

[wind finch]

Just don't use it 🙄

[untold totem]

Lmao

[wind finch]

I mean yeah i'm okay with u but I will still play the game, even with it 🥲

[untold totem]

You want ARK 2 to get hacked, this is how

[wind finch]

I want ark 2, if it Comes like this well too bad because I hate this but I'll still play it

[untold totem]

The "most successful crypto game" Axie Infinity gets hacked to the point they cannot pay their "scholars" anymore

That is how bad NFTs in games can get

[wind finch]

Some of you guys are like "okay I'll never play this game if there is X things in it"

Yeah for sure, but it's not for us to decide, or you all collectively boycott the game if it's the case

And I'm not sure that this will happen

[untold totem]

We vote with our wallets that is how can games be successful or not

[safe oriole]

The only thing a consumer can do is speak with their $$ and, well, not buy the game. It's a fair statement.

[wind finch]

And sadly for the video games industry, customers buy game even if they don't like them

[safe oriole]

That being said, however, I'm pretty sure Wildcard made it clear they're not doing P2W or NFTs quite awhile ago, so all this stuff now is just conjecture.

[untold totem]

I mean, refunds exist

[wind finch]

Can't refund darktide now that I discover that the game is just bad

[untold totem]

Bruh just do it.. it's a consumer right

[wind finch]

I mean Steam refund is not really nice for this

[untold totem]

Just make a valid reason for the refund instead of "I hate it because this YouTuber said so"

[wind finch]

Lmao

[wintry urchin]

Steam gives you 2 weeks time and 2 hours of gameplay to refund a game

[wind finch]

I'm sure that with 58 hours Steam will refund me because the game is still in beta even when it is launch

[wintry urchin]

Bro thinks he's entitled to a refund after 58 hrs of gameplay 💀

[worldly garden]

There's been some reassurance now regarding some of the NFT thing, as apparently the guy that commented on Dougs post actually works for Wildcard and only has interest in crypto gaming/NFTs and not actually providing that as a service to Wildcard.

[untold totem]

No crypto turd is ever providing service to any game aside another reason to bankrupt you

[wind finch]

Wdym? I was just explaining why refund policy is not a Magic button if u don't like a game. I played the game in a beta , first thing they launch is a cash shop. Yeah first impressions were nice but even then you're *****

Ark could do the same thing. If 500000 players go in beta (if there is one), buying the game, then at launch they do something like this, even if you're not okay with it it's too late

[naive elbow]

If they want money just puts skin in the game like rust or fortnite

[untold totem]

Nah, DLCs are fine

We don't want another FOMO Exiles

[wind finch]

Conan exiles battle pass is so nice 👍

😢

(it's bad i'm joking)

[untold totem]

If it's easily cheeseable, I am fine with it because f u c k battle pass

[wind finch]

I really do hate it.

Even with cheese

[naive elbow]

Rust skin is so good ,its ok if they put it on ark

[untold totem]

Nah, I rather have modded skins that are free

Or better yet, admin spawn bypass like ARK

[wind finch]

Yeah me too, I really hate buying a game and not having access at everything the game has to offer (without dlc)

[naive elbow]

Its only skins xd

[untold totem]

Even with skins

I hate the concept of FOMO even if it's skins

[naive elbow]

What is fomo

[untold totem]

Fear
Of
Missing
Out

That is how kids steal parents credit card to get those sweet sweet time limited skins

Despite you can grab it through the Dev Kit and mod it for free

[wind finch]

Yep, FOMO is a very good way of making money

It's also the disease of modern video games

[untold totem]

Unethical and despicable

[wind finch]

But there is other way, like making actual good games

[untold totem]

That is the reason why I like ARK

You don't have access to Shadowmane because you don't have Gen 2?, Steal the cryo/Trade resources to someone who has one

Or better yet GMSummon

[wind finch]

You can also access things like this in free map

[fallow niche]

Here
https://twitter.com/CudaCores/status/1602648304747249664?t=vxnH0DFITuoC8Y1nTrKNOg&s=19

CudaCores (@CudaCores)

@MrDolphin101 lol, Jason is an Art Director at Wildcard, as far as I know he doesn't work on NFTs or Crypto of any kind for us. Those tags in his comment are just some of his interests. Calm down people 😜

Twitter · Dec 13, 2022, 12:55 PM

[untold totem]

Tbh that should be their good selling point

*Sick and tired of timed exclusive skins and battle passes?

ARK has GCM that can get them for free with many times you want, all year round*

Take note @cunning talon

[ripe cedar]

On pvp its kinda required to have all dlc but also its not like they are limited time offers

[untold totem]

Most battle pass/shop are mostly timed offers

How else they keep the money flowing, no stagnation for the kiddies

[split dove]

then you buy a bundle and 1 week later you can buy them individually for a cheaper price.

[untold totem]

See... Time limited

Even Conan does that

[blissful perch]

People say they dislike games and complain about them despite liking them, which is true. But many games flop due to lack of interest and low reviews. Wallets DO speak. But people often lie 😂

[wintry urchin]

They should do what rust does

[blissful perch]

You bought the game likely in beta, meaning you paid for an AS IS product with awareness that things are subject to change. Sadly that does mean you’re not entitled to a refund

[blissful perch]

Same principle scammers use: a false sense of urgency inclines people to make bad financial choices

[wind finch]

Yeah, things were likely to change as you said. I was falsely hyped and super disappointed for the launch. The game will, and I Hope, be good in a year or so

I mean Steam reviews are speaking for themselves

[blissful perch]

Which is totally valid btw: and negative reviews sting games harder than many people are aware

[untold totem]

That is why review bombs do impact games

[wind finch]

Now I'm on deep rock, which is really good, no micro

One of the only games with an entirely free battle pass (and no option to buy something in it with Real money)

But I understand that they can do it because the game was very well received

Just Hope that ark 2 will be more of a deep rock or a valheim than a darktide or fortnite

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with paid extra content if the developers of a game keep providing services, because that’s how money works

I get slightly more irritated when said paid content is released as “mandatory” in some capacity to continue to play a game you bought (especially for people who don’t use the service, for example if ark SP players had to pay for skins that support official server hosting expenses)

[wintry urchin]

Also how tf would ARK have a battlepass

[blissful perch]

Probably some form of skins linked to activity taken in the game. Or just a monthly limited time offer paid bundle ☠️

[wintry urchin]

I would see a Rust type approach do a lot better. Saddle, structure, weapon, and armor skins thst are tradable

With dlcs that offer fun but cosmetic content

[blissful perch]

Content DLC is probably the #1 best way (morally speaking) to make money post launch

[wintry urchin]

Wouldn't even have to pay people to make them, the community would

It's an actual infinite money glitch

[ripe cedar]

Why are we still talking about microtransactions when the heads at wildcard are against having them in ark?

[ripe cedar]

There are a lot of stupid free money glitches in capitalism

[wintry urchin]

People can be against it but need to pay bills

Morally they may be opposed but financially have no choice in the future, games are expensive

[blissful perch]

They can choose to release the game and that’s it

Don’t forget that games as service is a MODEL that can be chosen

[naive elbow]

If they want money they gonna put skins on ark

[wintry urchin]

I also feel like they won't do a season pass in Ark 2

Because I know a lot of people who bought it when only scorched existed and then got Ab and Ext completely free

[ripe cedar]

That was the point

[blissful perch]

The point was you got free future content as a reward for paying for content that didn’t exist

It’s a RISK to pay for content that doesn’t exist yet

[ripe cedar]

It cost like $45 and buying each dlc seperate was $60

[wintry urchin]

I'm almost certain it ended up costing nearly the same as just scorched originally

[ripe cedar]

But that doesnt make any sense

[blissful perch]

Costs often fall over time

At launch SE was worth more than SE is worth now. That’s why a lot of DLC bundles come out some time after they release

[undone warren]

Hi guys I am french,so i don't understand the tweet from ark2 . Somoene Can explain 💀

[ripe cedar]

Which tweet

[undone warren]

The last about snail game

[fallow niche]

It's not relevant to ark 2, it's people assuming there will be nft in it. See pinned messages here. The "ark 2 news" Twitter account is fan made and not at all an official source. All confirmed information will be from the official SurviveTheArk page or the Wildcard members in this discord and will be pinned here in this channel.

[red ravine]

google translate

[fallow niche]

Translate is not always reliable or accurate, depending on their dialects, and they likely already tried.They were simply asking for help.

[undone warren]

Okkkkayyy thanks lol

[fallow niche]

No problem.

[bronze ivy]

Is vin diesel doesnt have a tek car by the end of the game im not playing

Or a tek atv

[mint swan]

Microtransactions are already in Ark ^^ DLC is a form of Microtransaction.

Just being a bit trolly, i know what you mean 😉

[bronze ivy]

A tek atv is definitely not an all terrain vehicle

[grave python]

it doesn't even work in ext sanctuary

[bronze ivy]

Ofc it doesnt

[minor prism]

😂

[late compass]

hes gonna have family at the end of the game

[untold ingot]

I mean I guess he has one at the start of the game. At least that is what is advertised so far lol

[bronze ivy]

My

Its vin diesel

He always has family

Before ark 2 he had family

[late compass]

hes gonna have 2 families then

[worldly garden]

Jesse has just confirmed NFTs and Crypto will never happen in ARK or ARK 2.

[thick moat]

Microtransactions are called micro for a reason dude lol

A DLC isn't that.

[thick moat]

Damn that's huge, then it's most probably something on the side like PixARK and ARK Park

[untold ingot]

I haven't seen that yet, could you send me a link for it, if that's not too much trouble

[latent grail]

When's the game show

[worldly garden]

Sent

[untold ingot]

Sweet thanks

[thick moat]

So Wildcard stuck to their word of no microtransactions pog

[fallow niche]

https://twitter.com/arkjesse/status/1602761968787431424?s=20&t=mYko3fIC0WSELA_reM-obg

Jesse (@arkjesse)

@MrDolphin101 Lots of creative interpretations going on, here! NFTs and crypto in ARK and ARK 2 will never happen on our watch and are not in the plans at all @survivetheark

Twitter · Dec 13, 2022, 8:26 PM

[mint swan]

Sad they even had to clarify that tbh

[potent hull]

well we got news on ark 2 not the new we need but the news we got

[mint swan]

hopefully not the last news of the year 😭

[blissful perch]

Amusing that a comment from snail led to an instant uproar about ark 2. I’m very intrigued about how information starved communities extrapolate information as a result

After reading the article it does seem that ark 2 is going to have some oddball mechanics pertaining to how mods and characters are treated. I’m fascinated by what is meant by “each player has their own world”. Does it imply that each save of the game is being marked as an NFT because of player interaction and impact? Or are the worlds all procedural 🙃

[worldly garden]

Actually for many it was the news they needed.

[potent hull]

i no gp som need game play to

[lavish rain]

People are looking for any thing they can

I still don't know what's going on @blissful perch when I first saw the bullshit i just woke up.

[mint swan]

Anything to get attention I suppose (media, not snail games). Thankfully Ark 2 News deleted the Tweet. Silly to have even posted it in the first place.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I know it was the news I wanted to see today lol

[ionic meteor]

It was good news tho

[jaunty fable]

Sad they didn't clarify it months ago when the fires were first started by Doug and Snailgames, talking about ARK 2 like it was going to involve NFT and crypto. If Jesse can come out and say this, then I don't understand why they'd let the community speculate for so long.

[cunning talon]

I did

a LONG time ago

[quaint horizon]

Yea i tried finding your post but no luck lol

[cunning talon]

lol rip

[stray elm]

Wasn't that almost a year ago by now?

[quaint horizon]

Something like that

[stray elm]

And sorry for making this a big thing. (since I believe I mostly started it in this server)
Was a bit worrying that Snail still tried to talk about NFT's and such, even when it was shut down by you.
Was just a bit worried mostly about the weird 'trying to claim legal right of mods' or whatever they said in the interview. That alone was sus.

[mint swan]

Ark II when? I am a very impacient child and can not accept waiting, and will roll on the floor in the supermarket to get what i want

[stray elm]

On the topic of NFT's.
Will the animated-series have NFT's, and if so, can I buy Wuzhui? 😛

[blissful perch]

don't be the reason Dollie never talks to us 😂

[blissful perch]

it actually seemed to be the reverse: from what I was reading, they wanted to offer modders intellectual property rights of their own assets

(well, MAYBE offer modders that lol)

since by default, to my understanding, any mod made for a game is owned by the studio

[stray elm]

By claiming the legal rights to said mods.
From at least what I got from it, they want to claim the legal ownership of all mods since "they don't have legal protection, so we want to keep them safe"
Which is bullshit, since if I make a model, that model is legally mine if I'm not under contract.

[stray elm]

Nope, unless it's in their CoC or ToS otherwise.

[blissful perch]

ah that's true, though many games do have such clauses

[stray elm]

Modding Fallout: New-Vegas doesn't give Bethesda the rights to steal your mod.
They can recreate it, which they have.
But they can't actually 'take' the mod.

[blissful perch]

right. The original mod is owned by the creator by default. Although I do believe that attempts to SELL said mods instantly voids most mod's freedoms if the product is similar enough to infringe on the intellectual property of the base game

[rugged flower]

Did anyone ever discover the secret for gathering all the artifacts in dino discovery?

[blissful perch]

not in ark 2

I still don't get the planet thing though...like at all

[stray elm]

Right, since if you try to make a profit off of another persons product, that's called 'illegal'

It's why Disney will take down any attempts to sell Mickey-Mouse plushies that're not by Disney.

[blissful perch]

I think if the creator of ark additions sold their 3D model of their deinosuchus I think they'd actually be fine? That's where I'm a bit more fuzzy

[stray elm]

Yes, since they 'own' the models.
But if they tried to sell the actual mod that requires ARK: Survival Evolved, then that's when it goes into legal troubles.

[mint swan]

I don't know SG that well and giving companies the benefit of the doubt is... silly. It'd be a shame if they did take the route of full ownership over the mods, huge red flag for anyone interested in modding Ark 2.

[stray elm]

You can sell models all you want, as long as it's 'your' model.

If I where to say, rip the model of ARK raptor and tried to sell it, that'd be illegal.

[stray elm]

Yeah, which was my biggest concern in that whole interview.

[blissful perch]

it's less "benefit of the doubt" and more "there just isn't enough there imo to say for certain what it meant for ark 2"

It seemed way too broad and ill specified to be about tangible outcomes (ie it was NOT snailgames saying "surprise! Now you have to purchase raptor skin NFTs")

[stray elm]

Just going to say, this is a common Wildcard W moment, for speaking out and confirming ARK-2 wont have NFT's under their watch.

[blissful perch]

@cunning talon I'm sorry to ping you, but I do NOT understand this: “In this metaverse project, each character and DLCs from ARK will be transferred to a planet. On this planet users will have their own unique gameplay, and they can even create and publish their own digital assets and cryptocurrencies.” Will this be clarified before launch, or is it a wait and see moment?

[stray elm]

Jesse up in here with his hatred of microtransactions.

[blissful perch]

I have no idea how you'd be able to publish a crypto currency within ark 2, so I feel I must be missing something

[untold ingot]

I mean, the pinned tweet might be that something

[blissful perch]

sorry, I meant technically lol

"each character and DLCs from ARK will be transferred to a planet" I also VERY wonder what this means for gameplay

[rugged flower]

Sorry to interrupt, where is that quote you just mentioned from?

[untold ingot]

It is from an interview with a person in snail games, not wildcard.

[thick moat]

I have a feeling it'll be a separate "game" like PixARK and ARK Park

[rugged flower]

Okay, thank you.

[thick moat]

raasclark was the only one who tried doing it on youtube at least

idk if they have yet to fix the thing that made some artifacts be out of bounds... I was so intrigued to see the ARK 2 secret dino discovery had ngl

[blissful perch]

ah you think it's a side game?

I was under the impression that the MMO on a planet would probably just be ark 2...since ark is functionally an MMO

[untold ingot]

It might have just been speculation

[ionic meteor]

the amount of dedication that man has, he streamed 11 hours for that best ark youtubers imo

[thick moat]

yes since Jesse said there will be nothing related to crypto on ARK 1 and ARK 2

[blissful perch]

that doesn't mean the above isn't Snail's vision that was rejected does it?

Which means this planet concept may go in, just sans the crypto?

[ionic meteor]

I have a theory that meeka was running the dino discovery simulation to learn about the dinosaurs

thats the connection ig

[tropic crag]

By definition, DLC are indeed microtransactions, ever since Bethesda started the trend way back in Oblivion days (I believe, may have been less documented firsts but idk) with their horse armor. All it needs to be is something less than the full game that adds content and costs less, hence the micro

[tropic crag]

Generally speaking, if you're not an asshat dev, the mods your playerbase make are theirs and theirs alone, as long as it follows fair use and is not for profit. You can obviously prohibit such creations, but then you become aforementioned dev variant in most cases, lol

You can however accept donations from people interested in the development of your mods, as that is 100% legal

[stray elm]

From what I also understand, commissioning mods is also legal, as long as said mod goes out into the public for free.

[tropic crag]

True, like commissioning artwork of copyrighted characters is (iirc)

Since it falls under fair use, in most cases

Fair use is a hell of a law

Love fair use

[stray elm]

Yep.
Since you're not making a profit off of the game itself, but creating the models 'you' made. (that's at least if I recall right of fair-use)

[thick moat]

they are not lol, you can't download skins

nvm didnt read well, yeah I mean, I refer DLCs to ark big expansion packs

NVM i didnt read well again im dumb kekw

those last comments dont exist mb

[fallow niche]

Let's bring it back to ark 2 anyway

[sonic elbow]

What does MMO stand for

[thick moat]

Massively Multiplayer Online, you can seach it on google

[sonic elbow]

Thanks.

[frosty notch]

So I’m very out of touch with the social media side of the gaming community, so has the game awards happend? And is there new info/gameplay leaks or trailer for ark 2 out?

[sonic elbow]

We saw Anky concept art kekw

[frosty notch]

I saw that and loved it

[thick moat]

Yes game awards happened, not much big things for ark 2 yet but you can keep up to date with all that happens around ark 2 on the pinned messages

[sonic elbow]

Then you're caught up on literally everything

[frosty notch]

Alright, thanks

[sonic elbow]

TAS has a second season confirmed

[frosty notch]

Dang, I’m impatient and want more lol

[sonic elbow]

"Soon."

[frosty notch]

I’m hoping..

[thick moat]

Yeah something may happen on January imo, it's all speculation though

so take it with a grain of salt

[sonic elbow]

We'll get TAS in a week or two, if you ask me. It's apparently done and they were wrapping up Season 2 in October iirc

No delay has been announced

[frosty notch]

Noted

[sonic elbow]

In fact Doug said there'd be news soon

Again keyword soon

[fallow niche]

Take the animated series stuff to #ark-animated-series

[sonic elbow]

[frosty notch]

That’s what praise bob is for? I thought it was just take turns spaming the bob emoji lmfao, I don’t spend enough time in here lol

[fallow niche]

Check pins in there.

[sonic elbow]

Atlas

ARK 2 will take concepts from Atlas

Mark my words

[thick moat]

that's what I thought when we got the new info for ark 2 on june

[desert swallow]

what kind of concepts?

[thick moat]

the improved combat, graphics, new methods of taming, weather events

the ideas at least

[desert swallow]

weather events would be fun

[thick moat]

i just checked the page it doesn't say much bout weather lol, but there could be a possibility (other than the watering hole gatherings they told us on the blogpost)

it would be kinda crazy if floods could happen

but that's pretty far fetched

i don't see it happening

[split dove]

Beach bobs will be turned into ocean floor bobs

[upbeat panther]

that would actually be so good

[foggy surge]

Does anyone know if the acer nitro 5 can run unreal engine 5

[thick moat]

the what?

[foggy surge]

Acer nitro five gaming laptop

[thick moat]

lol wtf I just checked specs what is that demon of a laptop

im almost certain it can

[foggy surge]

You think ark 2

[thick moat]

i7 12700 can probably handle the rtx 3050ti well I reckon

[foggy surge]

I know the requirements are not out yet

[thick moat]

remember ark 2 is made from scratch and they have more time, it will 100% be better optimized

[foggy surge]

Just one thing with this laptop is that it sounds like a plane engine when the fans start going

[thick moat]

ye classic

[tropic crag]

That's a laptop for ya, lmao

[thick moat]

there is maybe a way to make it have better refrigeration, no idea though

[tropic crag]

Love my little jet engine

[foggy surge]

Same

[foggy surge]

So is it possible for my laptop

In your opinion

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[foggy surge]

Ok thanks

[tropic crag]

I'd say any that could run Ark 1 at full max everything is a safe bet in any case

[past wind]

Be careful… more optimized doesn’t mean it will need less processing power.

Because clearly the graphics will be much improved and lots of new features (they cost performance) will be added

[past wind]

Man, I have a 5950x + RTX 3090 (sure it’s not top tier anymore) and I can’t run Ark maxed @60fps on big bases with lots of tames. So it is relative I guess.

[desert swallow]

that's not your video cards fault or your cpu. Any other game that is optimized you would be fine.

[stray elm]

That's just ARK's optimization.

[past wind]

Sure, but there’s no magic. All games as complex as Ark have those same issues. Don’t expect to have good performance inside a base with 8 thousand strutctures and 300 hundred Dinos on sight.

[desert swallow]

nanites bro

[stray elm]

Nanitemachines, son

[untold ingot]

Nanite very well could do it I think lol

[desert swallow]

unreal magic if you will.

[stray elm]

Unreal-5 be like-

[past wind]

It will help, but I doubt it fixes everything.

[desert swallow]

Open up epic store, download unreal engine and load up a city map

[stray elm]

Fixes? No.
But it'll heavily nullify rendering issues.

[desert swallow]

then come talk to us

[untold ingot]

It wont fix everything, but it opens the doors to a whole host of new possibilities that were impossible except on super computers lol

[past wind]

I tried matrix it was heavy on fps 🤣

[stray elm]

It worked just fine for me.

[past wind]

Agreed. Just saying people should set their expectations right

[desert swallow]

Just saying that some people are out of their element on this topic.

[untold ingot]

Probably me lol

[past wind]

I don’t know, man. It was technical demo, didn’t have anything complex running. I was expecting more

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[untold ingot]

It was a demo lol

Are there any full games using Ue5 out right now?

[desert swallow]

yes of course

[past wind]

Hence why I was expecting to have better performance 😂

[past wind]

Just Fortnite

And next year Atlas, I guess

[desert swallow]

you know we can google it right?

[untold ingot]

Wait, they are porting atlas to Ue5?

[stray elm]

Bruh, look at videos on Nanite.

[stray elm]

Yes.

[past wind]

Yes

Expected to be out q1 2023

BUT you know… Atlas 🤣

[untold ingot]

Everywhere I look online says that lots of games are intending to use it, but none have been released yet

[past wind]

Yeah, just Fortnite so far

And to be fair, it improved a lot

But it is a cartoonish game

[desert swallow]

shadows, lighting, and details at distance are all vastly improved

[untold ingot]

I mean, even if it's Ue5, I wouldn't be able to appreciate the new graphics on fortnite because I would be raging so hard at getting wrecked by 4 year olds

[past wind]

Also trees/vegetation. That’s why I’ve said it improved a lot.

[past wind]

I don’t play this 💩. Just saw screenshots 😂

[desert swallow]

atleast watch a video. Changes are pretty impressive, but the thing is while you are playing, you don't really notice, and that's how it should be.

because it's starting to look more natural, even if texturing is cartoonish

[past wind]

Man, I’m affirming it improved a lot. BUT it isn’t a reallistic/photorealistic game.

I’ve seen lots of videos and reviews.

But I want to see the first photorealistic game using UE5.

Atlas will be a personal benchmark

To what expect on Ark 2

[untold ingot]

The big improvements from Ue5 imo aren't that it makes things photorealistic. It's the rendering and new coordinate system

[past wind]

I know

I want to see graphics Vs performance and the new techniques

Like nanite and Ray Tracing

[untold ingot]

I am looking forward to bigger maps and weather effects mostly

[past wind]

Also dlss

[past wind]

Yeah, I’m curious about the size of the map, one of the things that stood out for me was the description of the planet: “Massive Alien planet”

[untold ingot]

Well, Ue5 has a new coordinate system that should make maps much larger

How much larger I don't know

[past wind]

Someone said there’s something about the Arat on the dev kit

[desert swallow]

now now, people have been saying massive maps for 20 years now. Just want you to manage your expectations.

[past wind]

And it apparently is a planet with lots of islands

[past wind]

Well, if you compare GTA 3 map and red dead redemptions map, things are improving 🤣

Games are more and more being developed with large open worlds

[untold ingot]

The Ue5.1 documentation says 88000000 km is the max limit of the large world coordinates

Which would make sense, they shifted from 32bit numbers to 64

[pure siren]

I wonder if they had a game play trailer ready to go for The Game Awards and with the release of Unreal Engine 5.1 and the updates they made to foliage if they decided it would be best to redo the game play to ensure the game play trailer looked as best as it could!?

[untold ingot]

I highly doubt that ark2 maps will be this big, but there isn't really a practical limit with numbers this big

[desert swallow]

It's quite possible, they will want to make the best first impression possible given how high everyone's expectations are and how entitled they are.

[stray elm]

I'm just glad the NFT stuff has been shut down (for now)

[desert swallow]

can someone explain to me how NFTs would work in a game?

or ark2 even so mods don't get mad

[stray elm]

You'd be able to buy the rights to assets, and possibly even your Arat save if it's randomly generated.

[desert swallow]

but why?

[stray elm]

Money

[desert swallow]

but who is going to buy your map?

[stray elm]

Crypto-bros

[pure siren]

I don't get it

[stray elm]

It's a pretty fucking dumb concept in general for NFT's.
Having them in games is even more wack

[desert swallow]

so let me get this straight, when I was a kid I had my picture taken for sports, you'd get a sports card with your name on it. So basically in NFT world I would own the NFT of the card and it would somehow have value?

and weird people would buy the NFT for that card?

[stray elm]

Basically.

It's giving value to non-valuable shit.
So in otherwords 'a fucking scam'

[desert swallow]

I guess what I'm missing what would be the value of your in game asset

oh ok

[stray elm]

The value is 'I own it'

"If you want this bush in your save, you gotta pay me 5$ for it to appear in your save"

[ripe cedar]

i would have thought dinos, not saves

i guess people already sell those without nft's being attached though

[desert swallow]

people sell everything without nfts being attached

it sounds to me like someone developed a complex system around copy right laws

or IP laws

[stray elm]

More or less

[fallow niche]

Probably can take the nfts convos to #general, they've confirmed it's not happening in ark 2.

[crimson sonnet]

Did they? Nice finally it's over xD

[south lance]

the thought of multiple 1000 km wide maps 😫

imagine mesh patching

youd need a dedicated squad of paid people to find them all

[untold ingot]

I dont really anticipate ark2 to be that big at the start, but with the ability to make maps that big I definetly see dlc being added to the first map as huge extensions rather than a seperate map

[south lance]

that could be interesting

like a giant barrier you pay to unlock lol

itd be annoying chasing someone and they cross that barrier but youre stuck here

though transferring off is close to that

[untold ingot]

Yeah that would be unfortunate

But the perks of having it that way imo outweigh the issues

[south lance]

should there still be multiple maps then

so maybe this would be like if you could transfer between clusters

[south lance]

what would those perks even be though

i mean theres maybe an aesthetic part

[untold ingot]

Having a big fun map for pve

Thats the big one imo

[south lance]

fair

[untold ingot]

It would make exploration exponentially better

[south lance]

what about the capability to implement significant biomes

like the closest we have is valg being 3 biomes

and scorched

to an extent, lost island excluding snow

maybe abb?

[untold ingot]

Well, I am a huuuuuuuge fan of giant biomes that feel natural. I really like lost island for its jungle, scorched for the desert, etc. I would love to see some massive biomes

[south lance]

like you could have large climate regions

each with separate but climactically similar biomes

[untold ingot]

Like gen2 size patches of just wheat fields, or rag sized single mountains, or aberration size caves under a gen2 size jungle

[south lance]

as long as they are rough and full of details and not just one giant single texture

scorched is the closest to a single biome on a map

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it would be a lot of work, but honestly a gen2 sized biome of one type is a lot easier and quicker to make than a vastly varied map

[south lance]

id say with modified spawns and decreased mobility, you could expand it out to 300 sqkm and make it a map of banditry and such

itd be kinda larpy but i think thats fine for ark

[untold ingot]

Bigger maps and biomes, and less spawns per area, that would be epic imo

[south lance]

i think the only issue is making travel boring

that could be an issue if the maps massive

especially since we do want reduced travel speed

[untold ingot]

I mean, if travel is all parqour type stuff then it could still be fun

[south lance]

i think youd need to increase density of important features

so like, more and bigger caves with better and more loot

you would need to significantly pas progression imo

atm theres not enough layers

its basically spawn, stone, metal, end game

club/bow, crossbow, endgame

[untold ingot]

Yeah, if progression is directly linked to the amount of exploration on a 1000sq km map then that would feel so good

[south lance]

idk how id link progression to exploration

well ig they sorta do it alreadu with certain spawns

[untold ingot]

Have a note type thing that unlocks engrams, instead of unlocking them through levels

That way you actually have to travel a lot to get the engrams to build, even if you are max level

[south lance]

that would be sick, but it depends on how necessary certain engrams are

maybe have most of the necessities tied to stuff you can do easily

[untold ingot]

True. I could see it becoming an issue on pvp servers due to camping and such

[south lance]

but special engrams for sidegrades being locked to a select few areas on a map

youd need more than one to prevent gatekeeping

[untold ingot]

exactly yeah, and then the more valuable endgame ones are locked behind hard caves or minibosses

[south lance]

id like more caves then

multiple spots to access endgame gear

maybe have multiple variations of endgame

instead of just the two tek/flak

[untold ingot]

I want to see like 6 caves per area the size of rag, but I would also love to see a giant cave system under the map. Kind of like valguero, but more like a cave and less like a sunken forest

[untold ingot]

I think that is the idea they have with component based crafting

[south lance]

so youd have biome specific endgame gear potentially

[south lance]

perhaps

honestly you could probably keep up to 50% of tame travel speed if the map was 5-20x bigger

[untold ingot]

I think pt speed is the max I would ever want lol

[south lance]

ya its a decent speed

traversing lost island jungle on a pt would be a good balance

[untold ingot]

Anything faster like manas or maewing is just too much

[elder surge]

U talking over ark 2 or?

@untold ingot @south lance

[untold ingot]

That is this channel yes

[elder surge]

U roy gona think ark2 is gona be like ark1?

[untold ingot]

Itll be different enough to be a new experience

[elder surge]

I hope they dont change it that much

[untold ingot]

You can check the pins for the announced changes so far

[elder surge]

Ark1 such a good game idea but all the bugs and lags destroyed it

[thick moat]

Hey i can tell you that's what they are trying to do with ark 2, make ark 1 what we all wanted to be (other than a Third person game lol)

You can check what is their idea on the redefining the survival genre blog on pinned

[edgy oriole]

Third person is not gonna work too well inside small houses so i hope they make it so you can zoom in and look right over one shoulder so its at least bearable

[stray elm]

Depends what a small house is in ARK-2

They could make a single wall much bigger then a wall in ARK-1 to make up for the camera.

[elfin pumice]

do you mean like 1) certain engrams are in certain locations; 2) those notes give you "engram exp" that u can use to unlock engrams or something else?

[lime forge]

That would be horrible. Also “than” then with an E is referring to a time. Than with an A is used in comparisons.

[elfin pumice]

i think a combination of both would be great if DLCs unlock map areas. The main part of the map (not a dlc zone) could have engram exp and dlc zones have dlc exclusive engram notes

[elfin pumice]

id prefer if 3rd person was only when sprinting/parkouring/fighting

[elder surge]

So u think its gona be like ark 1

Just better

[edgy oriole]

We need to know if canceling fall dmg will still be a feature

[elfin pumice]

I know its possible on ps4 but how do you do it on pc?

[lime forge]

Dismount

[elfin pumice]

Oh yes of course

You can open inv on ps4 to cancell fall damage and gain forward momentum

[edgy oriole]

Oh didnt know that. I just meant dismounting at the last second. Tho if you fall asleep midair you slowly ragdoll to the ground and dont get dmged

[thick moat]

Yeah I mean that's what wildcard is promising

[elder surge]

Tbf i think no

[thick moat]

I trust them

They had a good vision for the game it was just... rushed

[elder surge]

I think they not gona do turrets amd stuff
What makes the game fun

[elfin pumice]

You have to trust the dev about the game theyre making

[wanton pike]

They did that due to the many disconnection issues back then, or atleast they didnt patch that for that matter. From what I’ve heard years ago

[elfin pumice]

There could be a dino/plant substitute

[thick moat]

If it's fully primitive no, but I hope there's a way of defending base

[elder surge]

Bc only fun in ark rn is defending and raiding

[thick moat]

Depends on the player lol

[elfin pumice]

On pvp

[elder surge]

Yea

Im talking over pvp rn

[elfin pumice]

Maybe a better velona or a buffed plant x

[thick moat]

For me pvp is more the conflics that happen on servers between known tribes

[elder surge]

Yea

[thick moat]

They kinda got rid of it when they opened transfers though

[elder surge]

Wym?

[thick moat]

Random griefers coming into the server made the experience less "personal"

[elder surge]

For me is ark fun when i place a fob on a server and have 1 week fun there pvp with them
Building lings
Pushing turrets and stuff

[elfin pumice]

There should be official clusters with one server per map where you can only transfer within your cluster. (edit): 2-3 servers per map is a better idea imo

[elder surge]

Nahhh

Thats gona be boring when 1 tribe to big

[elfin pumice]

makes it more personal

id laso add yearly wipes to official

[elder surge]

Nah thats how u lose players
Bc they work hard 1 year to be the best
Then all gone and u need to do it again

[elfin pumice]

rented ones usually wipe every 1-3 months

[elfin pumice]

thats how you gain new players

[elder surge]

No thats how u lose player long term

[elfin pumice]

its very hard to start out on official pvp rn

but i dont want to play in a server that wipes every 2 months cause i loose all progression

[thick moat]

no, it's the other way around, when someone is too dominant new players will struggle, therefore, get wiped and leave, so it's healthier for the game population to have wipes imo

u can still be the best and get enjoyment on 1 full year, no one can't just Not get wiped ever you know

[elfin pumice]

Exactly

[safe oriole]

[south lance]

arkpoc and unofficial pvp being far larger a population than official 1x or smalltribes basically proves the point

well, maybe not "far" larger though 1x gets its numbers padded by being the default pvp gamemode

[lime forge]

Arkpoc is also like 10 servers compared to thousands

[south lance]

im including unofficial too

[quasi ledge]

Maybe mode will be released to Xbox

[thick moat]

pc unofficial is kinda dead compared to win10 xbox version lol

[south lance]

idk the numbers there for this

[thick moat]

but yeah official is in it's worst times rn

[south lance]

im just operating off steam

[elfin pumice]

Wdym

[south lance]

id guess win10 would be just like pc if they could access mods

[quasi ledge]

Like mods

Sorry miss type

[thick moat]

ye

[elfin pumice]

Cross platform mods are confirmed so probably

[quasi ledge]

Yea

[thick moat]

I just hope ark 2 doesn't have uploads and downloads between servers and has something to keep alphas on their toes, I already kinda talked about this before but I wanna bring it up since it's interesting

[ripe cedar]

For wipe vs no wipe it seems pretty simple to me, have wipe as default with no wipe as alternate server type. If no wipe server get heavy traffic add more if wipe gets less you can take them away a lot easier than with no wipe servers so it makes sense to start with more wipe an less no wipe and change how many based on player counts of each

[past wind]

The new world system may change things for the good. We don’t know if the new system will be more like Ark 1 (different world maps each hosted on a different server) or more like Atlas (one big world map hosted on a cluster of servers).

About transfers, it should stay IMO, but with some limits. Different from what we have now, where people can transfer whole bases in a matter of minutes

If the world system is more like Atlas, Alphas will need more time to do big raids. I mean, going from grid A1 to grid H20 will take some time and will have complex logistics involved

[thick moat]

im completely against transfering, especially if it's the atlas style of grids

the game was more fun to me without uploads honestly, there was more player interaction

[untold ingot]

Either or is good for me

[untold ingot]

I don't entirely agree with being fully against transfers, because what if the server you fully level your character on gets completely claimed by a mega. You are basically stuck. I would prefer an ldl type of thing, where you can pick a server to go to, but can't take any gear

[past wind]

Sure, but for others is the other way around. I’m in the middle grounds. But I wouldn’t expect they will completely cut transfers, and that’s a good thing IMO.

[past wind]

Or when megas settled themselves on a server, it was impossible to take them out. The only viable way was to transfer in and try to raid. There are two sides for everything.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's why I am completely up in air on transfers rn lol. Both types of game play are okay, at first no transfer is the most fun, then it gets stale