ark-2

[quaint horizon]

Twitch and twitter

[calm scaffold]

What twitter? Their snail games USA one? I can't find anything so I'm tryna ask lol

[crimson sonnet]

i dont even want a release date i just wonna see 2 minutes of gameplay to see what i have to deal with the next 5 years when it released xD

[quaint horizon]

It was a Twitter space I wish I could share here but I have both the Twitter and twitch link on hand

[calm scaffold]

Can u dm them to me pls?

[quaint horizon]

Sent

[calm scaffold]

Thank you!

[blissful perch]

Given this mindset I’d hope that they just increase rates across the board

[past wind]

What exactly they’ve said about Ark 2?

[west prairie]

You also got to remember, they teased ark players with that teaser, and for what, to most likely delay the game again and again, that’s what doesn’t make sense. Lol

Why couldn’t they show us the original teaser now. Lol

[calm scaffold]

Well what's most concerning for me

Is that wildcard are keeping ark 1 up, developing ark 2, and making the ark anime

Which OBVIOUSLY costs alot of money

And ark 1 really isn't making profits anymore, and we all know atlas and pixark etc aren't making nothing in terms of cash

So seeing how they're more then likely in a negative cash flow, and snail games is suddenly trying to advertise ark 1 and push that to people for some reason

Concerning.

[analog dust]

Investors.

[calm scaffold]

Especially that they're doing it after the studio they look over still hasn't shown any work despite it bring paid for

Oh yeah, also the snail games twitter retweeted the ark 2 news fan account tweet saying "Do you think we will see ark 2 at the game awards?"

Why would the official snail games studio retweet that? It's almost like they expected something too...

[mint swan]

We saw some Ark2 during the Game Awards, 1 sec of the trailer meh

[calm scaffold]

Oh yeah! Also, they lost 16.3 million dollars from atlas alone!

(that's some recent news I also learned)

[quaint horizon]

A couple of different things

1 it's in development. The one thing that I'm not sure what they meant is they said they have an announcement coming in q1 so not sure if that's ark 2 or not

They talked about web3 , their new game engine a new game and so much more

[tropic crag]

Of course it's in development, nothing new there lmao

[mint swan]

well, the game awards was a bust

nothing new has been seen

[tropic crag]

Lots of tinfoil hats are being put on lol

[past wind]

Unless you have the numbers, you shouldn’t make those assertions

I mean, AFAIK, they are already making money from Ark 2, because they made a deal with Microsoft

[calm scaffold]

I don't have the numbers myself personally. NeddyTheNoodle does though, where he goes over snail games legal documents on video and states out they lost 16.3 million in impairment losses due to atlas alone

So It would only make sense they have a negative cash flow right now

[tropic crag]

Not to mention, that's just objectively false, they still make sales on the game and it's content daily

[past wind]

Doesn’t seem to be factual, I’m sorry

[tropic crag]

Then there's the case of whatever portion Nitrado pays them for server sales...

[calm scaffold]

He has the legal documents being shown on video? How's that not factual?

[past wind]

Judging by the numbers of steamdb Atlas sold 1-2 millions of copies and they are actively developing it

[past wind]

You know you can easily make up stuff online, right?

[calm scaffold]

True, but for your last message, how many players are on atlas right now?

How much if their playerbase have they been able to retain?

[past wind]

I think like 1-2k concurrent players

[past wind]

Not much

But it happens with AAA titles

The fact they are still developing it and they have their servers up, makes me think it doesn’t make sense

[tropic crag]

You need to look into what impairment losses are, my friend. Not the same thing as sunk costs or anything like that

[past wind]

But the subject here is Ark 2

So, Ark 2 is already providing cash flow, because they have agreements

[calm scaffold]

His video has his sources in the description if you don't believe me. All I know as absolute fact is, they've been losing a lot of money, and the things they have been working on such as ark 2 still aren't being shown so far down the development line.

[past wind]

So far so good IMO

[tropic crag]

You really need to look up what impairment losses are

[past wind]

You shouldnt treat it as a fact though

[tropic crag]

He also mislinks like half the things that are there in that description, lol

[past wind]

Just virtual numbers, no real money involved

[calm scaffold]

Even if I'm wrong, if somehow "losses" means they magically made money so be it; However, if they made 1-2 million in sales but only have 1-2 thousand players? Somethings wrong with the game

[tropic crag]

Nobody's perfect, but he definitely could have explained what they are so as to prevent this situation 😅

[tropic crag]

Pretty much, in layman's terms

[past wind]

If income income is based on concurrent players, they have their pockets filled with money

Because Ark has a sustainable player base for ~8 years

[tropic crag]

They just overestimated the game's return investment is all, didn't actually lose 16 million lol

[past wind]

Virtual numbers, at the most, their shares went down in value

[tropic crag]

Yep

[past wind]

But 16mi, I don’t know man…

Also, the pirate game was more successful than their magicians game 🤣

[tropic crag]

It's still bad, but not nearly as bad as homeboy is claiming it is 😂

[past wind]

Not to talk about Ark alone

And Ark 2 already having a deal for gane pass and console exclusivity

I would love to “lose” money like that

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Ark 2 has definitely already made big bucks from that deal alone

And it ain't even had gameplay shown yet 🤣

[past wind]

That’s another thing he doesn’t get right

[tropic crag]

Whe

[past wind]

The fact we don’t have a gameplay, doesn’t mean the investors don’t have needed info

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah, for sure

Behind closed doors, there's probably plenty of info flowing

[past wind]

Phill Spencer is already playing as Vindiago

[tropic crag]

No doubt

[untold ingot]

They won't have info on how the game itself works lol, except for maybe a select few

[tropic crag]

THAT'S why he looked so happy, yesterday 😂

[past wind]

No, not that, but numbers, status etc

[untold ingot]

Yeah, they probably have seen some of that.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, plenty of info...

[untold ingot]

We don't get that info because it isn't relevant to us lol

[opaque terrace]

Past rates from Ark 1. Proof their concepts are worth the money as well

[tropic crag]

Spreadsheets too, and other such corpo things

Business business, eh co-workers?

[opaque terrace]

There's pressure coming from the other side as well. These companies are fighting for those rights to new games in general. They are buying in without knowing everything, which can lead to flops. It happens often

[split dove]

Yes i'm a flop

[opaque terrace]

However you guys are wayyy more knowledgeable on this subject. It's been a fun read

[past wind]

It is to me, I’m thinking about buying Microsoft, but I fear Ark 2 might get them bankrupt

[opaque terrace]

I dont mean to interrupt your convo that much

[split dove]

Devs don't tease ark 2 for TGA --> Game doesn't show up at TGA --> Devs never said when they would reveal gameplay --> Wth man it must be delayed till 2025 bc it wasn't at TGA

[untold ingot]

Interrupt away lol

[past wind]

I think we aren’t. If we were, we wouldnt be chatting on arks discord

[blissful perch]

Agree; I’ve seen lots of horrible investments in indie games that flop. What WC has going for them is historical success in the form of ark 1, which may reassure investors in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Yeah. People seem to forget that ark2 hasn't even concretely announced yet

[blissful perch]

You mean concretely announced to be in TGA 2022 right? (Which I agree never happened)

[opaque terrace]

They already have that platform built. It makes sense for companies to fight for exclusive rights well before gameplay can be shown.

[untold ingot]

Maybe. But it takes more than precedent of a successful first game to get investors hooked

[past wind]

Yeah, sure, but Microsoft or any other corporation wouldn’t blindly invest. For example, that game pass banner we’ve been talking about here, they were probably informed by all the companies their games would be out within 12 months. That’s one of the infos they don’t share publicly, but they will share with their investors

[blissful perch]

Well yes, especially for sequels. Since the idea is that you’re no longer a super risky first game studio. At the stage ark 2 got exclusivity they were pitching concepts rather than a finished product…which is pretty dang normal for investing. I agree

[blissful perch]

What likely happened is Microsoft asked “is this game eligible for our event” and WC said “yes”. There’s likely wiggle room on the release dates and ark 2 fell within that range

[past wind]

For sure, even more to sign multi year agreement to be on their service and an console exclusivity

[past wind]

I don’t think so, but that’s fine

[opaque terrace]

Is exclusivity really that great?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it takes A LOT for Microsoft to be convinced that it is a worthwhile investment

[past wind]

I don’t know how things work exactly

[blissful perch]

Microsoft certainly isn’t a Kickstarter program but I don’t see them as severely risk adverse

[untold ingot]

There are pros and cons. An exclusivity with Microsoft opens a lot of doors

[opaque terrace]

To me, it feels more like a security line rather then going out knowing you'll be able to rock it on all platforms.

[blissful perch]

It can be, especially if you need up front funding for your game

My understanding is that you wouldn’t bother signing exclusivity if the short term funding increase failed to exceed the projected gains of just releasing everywhere

[past wind]

To start with, you get lots of money beforehand to fund your project

[opaque terrace]

Ahh. Selling the soul

[past wind]

No, selling their product

[opaque terrace]

I've watched enough shark tank to know that's a limiting sale

[untold ingot]

The capability to have liquid assets in developing and hosting the game is much easier with a big corporation like Microsoft involved

[past wind]

I’m not sure they have ascended and can live out of love ❤️

They need money

[blissful perch]

Microsoft is also a major platform for ark…so excluding PS is a minor loss in playerbase compared to losing Xbox and win 10 (and ofc dropping steam is probably financial suicide for ark 2)

[past wind]

They will have access to 30-40 million players through game pass, day one

[opaque terrace]

I wonder what kind of loss that is tho

[untold ingot]

Yes, but it takes more than a day to setup all the servers, and that is needed up front before any profits are made

[opaque terrace]

30-40 million people with access to their game for a fraction of $1 month

[blissful perch]

A calculated one. But it’s an estimate based on the size of the ark 1 PS community and the size of the PS5 community/growth

[opaque terrace]

Are ark servers ran on microsofts servers?

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 is to my knowledge all run on nitrado. I’m 99% sure nothing about ark 2 servers is known

[lavish rain]

Crackhead

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 on Xbox is, not all of unofficial though

[opaque terrace]

Makes me wonder if the funding from microsoft will cover the bandwidth usage increase. If they arnt selling their game outright, will they make enough?

[tropic crag]

Unless we're speaking strictly official, of course

[blissful perch]

I assume loops asked about official servers only

[past wind]

That’s not the price of game pass 🤣

[opaque terrace]

There's going toi be a lot of random players downloading and playing because they have access

[blissful perch]

Does game pass also include DLC?

[tropic crag]

In some cases

But not usually, I believe

[blissful perch]

(For this discussion let’s say ark 1 dlc)

[tropic crag]

Yes, it includes the first season pass at least

Idk if it has Genesis pass nowadays

And it only just started to include the first one like... last year? Maybe the year before?

[opaque terrace]

Wonder if they will do some type of cheeky hybrid. You get access to single player story mode, but will have to buy the full game to play online?

[tropic crag]

Highly doubt that

[opaque terrace]

Ark 2 really pushing their story mode

[tropic crag]

Where'd you read that?

[desert swallow]

Vin Diesel discovers family

[past wind]

It depends

Some games do, some don’t

Ark 1 doesn’t include DLCs

[tropic crag]

Yes it does

[opaque terrace]

ive seen other games do that. And i'm just wondering how they're going to fund a game where wayyyyyy more people have access to without spending money on the actual game.

[blissful perch]

The question is about ark 1 for game pass, since it’s safest to assume ark 2 will use an identical pricing model

[past wind]

Really? They have put the “complete edition”?

Last time I checked it was just the base game

[tropic crag]

Idk, I just know that the first season pass is included last I checked, may be ultimate survivor edition now

[blissful perch]

Afaik, gamepass words because Microsoft pays to put games on gamepass. So the general pool of all gamepass subscriber money is used to pay back the studios

[opaque terrace]

I'm sure the $20 i spent on the game 5 years ago has covered some of my bandwidth usage, but how will they get money if it's part of a game pass?

[blissful perch]

(see above)

[opaque terrace]

i did 😄

[past wind]

Yeah, that’s how I understand their model

[tropic crag]

Through what Microsoft paid them to put it on there in the first place

And will continue to pay them as per the contract

[blissful perch]

Well gamepass ≠ exclusivity to my knowledge, so that’s two different revenue streams from Microsoft

[opaque terrace]

true. I figured there was some good explanation, it just had me wondering

[past wind]

Yeah, they have signed both

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but they paid them the exclusivity charge and the game pass inclusion charge, I'm sure

[opaque terrace]

What ya'll think about Vin Diesel?

Flex?

[blissful perch]

I do think contrary to Bruising that official servers are a net financial negative for ark 1 lol

[past wind]

TBF, makes no difference to me

Just marketing

[wanton pike]

We also don’t have a community crunch for today? No ark 2 news I think

[tropic crag]

Love 'im, Triple X is one of my favorite movies of all time

[opaque terrace]

I was surprised to see him in it. I think it'll be fun to see it all play out.

[split dove]

crunches are usually later in the day

[blissful perch]

I usually don’t see a CC until later today. But either way, don’t hold your breath on news. It’ll come when it comes

[wanton pike]

Yh just wishing they will release something now lol

Don’t have my hopes up that much

[past wind]

But it’s usually on Thursdays, right? I know they’ve posted on other days, but it’s usually on Thursdays

[split dove]

always on fridays (unless something special happend)

[blissful perch]

Fridays (PST) yes

[wanton pike]

Fridays

[tropic crag]

Any money that I pay to keep my servers up goes to Nitrado alone (due to the deal with WC for Xbox servers), and any money that goes to them specifically for Ark servers (Xbox or otherwise) has a portion sent to WC

[opaque terrace]

Im excited for the updates. I cant wait to hear when around it'll be out so i can start holding my breath

[tropic crag]

I think they're making or have made the return investment, imo 😅

[blissful perch]

Sure, but I have a hard time believing WC isn’t in response paying nitrado to host officials

[tropic crag]

That has probably evened out by now, at the very least. Do you know just how many unofficials there are? Even just on Xbox?

It's kinda wild just how many people wanna run their own server 😂

[blissful perch]

It really depends on the rates WC gets for their network (data I don’t know)

[tropic crag]

True, I don't know either, but I'm pretty sure they're ok in the long run

[blissful perch]

But nitrado wouldn’t take such a deal if they didn’t gain financially from it. They aren’t dumb

[tropic crag]

Well, that's debatable... lmao

[blissful perch]

Bad and dumb aren’t always the same 😂

[tropic crag]

Oh, I know, trust me

Speaking of which, really hope they don't do that shit again, locking us into only one hosting service

(Specifically Shitrado)

Even PS has Gportal 🥲

[blissful perch]

Xbox stayed losing on that one

[tropic crag]

We really did

[past wind]

I have no doubt Ark already paid its costs and is an important cash flow for both WC and Snail games

The fact they are calmly developing ark 2 is a good indication of that

[blissful perch]

Official server maintenance, like it is for almost all games as service models, is likely a net negative as the game grows old

Obviously it’s not a soul suckingly major negative financial outflow, or they’d have cut official servers down ages ago 😂

[brave shuttle]

@drowsy ibex

Give us a reason to keep going lol

[tropic crag]

Please don't @ the devs, it makes us look bad

(It also does absolutely nothing)

[brave shuttle]

@drowsy ibex

How many people wasted 3 hours watching the game rewards just for Ark Content and got nothing. Be nice to have something ?

[winged dome]

I mean, that's on you 😂
Nothing was promised, just wisps of rumors

Quit clownin'

They also showed Starfield and probably a bunch of other games that weren't mentioned in TGA

[south lance]

i would like a christmas screenshot

someone earlier mentioned a snail games interview but idk if that was relevant

[lime forge]

So no Ark 2 news then?

[opaque terrace]

none yet

[molten parrot]

Ark II release early 2025

[mint swan]

unrealistic

[wintry urchin]

Ark 2 isn't coming for a while I think, is there any gaming show as big as the awards coming up in the next few months? If it was close then they surely would've announced gameplay and a date in front of a million live viewers

They have no reason to independently announce it now for months, unless they were for whatever reason trying to limit the audience it goes out to

[robust furnace]

the shame is on you dawg

[past wind]

That makes no sense… a lot of games I was waiting for weren’t showcased there and they will be released as scheduled

[mint swan]

no they dont. if they dont want to they dont need to. sure, it will create hype for everyone, but if the date is far away (like pokemon scarlet and violet which release date was announced 8 months before release) it will lose hype again anyway.

[past wind]

There’s no rule that sets a game has to be on TGA when it’s close to release 🤣

[wintry urchin]

"As scheduled"

What's ARK2's schedule if I may ask?

[past wind]

2023

[wintry urchin]

Lmao ok dude

[dry jetty]

First half 2023

[wintry urchin]

Not confirmed

[past wind]

If you take into account the gamepass banner, yes, h1 2023

[wintry urchin]

All we know is "2023 bro idk"

[mint swan]

estimating release date is not easy, some obstacles and wanted subjects in game may be harder than others. pokemon released on release date with an unfinished game. to allow wildcard to make a good impression after the ramp of ark, they need to do it good. promises will only lead to more dissapointment.

[dry jetty]

As they said un the Xbox event "they will show Game that will come out un 365 days from that event" you can now it, and its a contract with Xbox

[wintry urchin]

That wouldn't stop wildcard

I genuinely don't think anything of theirs released on the scheduled date

[dry jetty]

they can delay It, yes, all i now is i love this Game and comunity an the salty arround here lately is very nasty

[past wind]

Actually, the banner says: all titles targeting to release over next 12 months

[dry jetty]

Thats It

[past wind]

It is an ideal timeframe, but not 100% sure

[dry jetty]

Yeah i now

But we can make an idea of the original planed date with that

[past wind]

Just to be clear or people will come here on June 30 to say WC promised yada yada

[wintry urchin]

If I were them I would release the show a month or so before ark 2 to try and get an Arcane or Edgerunners effect

Because that still exists

[dry jetty]

Some dumb people that dosent now the difficulties of making a Game and whit a growing egine with many versión changes

They dont apreciate the work behind

[past wind]

Jurassic World created a trend where Ark fit perfectly back in 2015

[dry jetty]

Sorry if there are some errors in my words im spanish lol

[wintry urchin]

It's not that it's the fact that they announced it way too early, then pushed it back to 2023 instead of 2022

[past wind]

Well, they are all costumers. Marketing people need to balance the hype and avoid disappointments as much as possible.

[dry jetty]

5.1 ue5 had some relly changes that they sure wantes to implement

[past wind]

Why do you think announcing 2 years ago was too early? Maybe what they did wrong was to announce the probable year of release.

I think if they had announced it in 2020, without setting 2022 as the release year, they would be in a better position IMO

[dry jetty]

Some incredible ganes like BOTW were anunced 5 years before its release (and was delayed )

[past wind]

Yeah, I don’t think 3 years between announcement and release is too much…

But maybe their mistake was to set 2022 as release year, too soon in the development cycle

[dry jetty]

And lf It comes out un the first half wont be 3 complete years at all

[past wind]

Yeah

[dry jetty]

Yes, that ilusion with that date made all this disagreement with dates

[winged dome]

Did it release today?
No?
Then it will release later 😂

Where's the not knowing? You already know 😂

[tropic crag]

They literally have told us, too. 2023. Not that hard to just check the pins, or read up like, a sentence, since almost everyone else comes and asks the same dumb questions

They also did just say that the next thing we'll see is gameplay, so the rhetoric of "they don't tell us anything" is a crutch, at best

[split dove]

thats asking a lot for those people man, you gotta think like them to understand them somewhat

[tropic crag]

I shudder at the thought, don't make me do it, please

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure they have shared what they can. And they will share more when the feel the time is right. No developer will share everything. Some info would just do more harm than good.

I’m not trying defend them, but help people to set their expectations right around here

If you feel tired of waiting, just go do something else. Doesn’t worth to get sick because of a game release 😂

[blissful perch]

You’ve been given complete transparency, which is that no concrete date exists beyond a general year of release. Just to clarify that transparency and “all possible knowledge” are not always identical

[winged dome]

Also not worth it to get 'sick' on a game release to play it and skip work/class 😂

[thick moat]

Add to the conversation that Wildcard is most probably on a NDA with Xbox, and maybe that's why they are not saying anything right now.

Maybe they will be able to share more this January who knows

[desert swallow]

mom?

[past wind]

Trying to save some lost souls

[undone warren]

I want ark 2🗿

[thick moat]

🗿🤌

[ember oracle]

Do we think they will continue updating ark 1 if they delay ark 2?

At least events

[past wind]

I don't think so

[mint swan]

the last event is around the corner.

[past wind]

The last events were already bad

just colors and some new chibis

BUT there will be a large update this month, I guess

with Scorched Ascension and some new H-LNA stuff

[mint swan]

i thought that was in game already 😂
should probably have known that

[past wind]

I don't know, maybe on consoles, I'm not sure

But not for PCs

I thought only Switch got it

[mint swan]

me neither, i have not really played ark lately

[unborn galleon]

so we got nothing about ark 2 in the game awards?

[undone warren]

Nothing lol

[unborn galleon]

shame shame shame shame

[jaunty nexus]

It’s not sadly

The first cutscenes spoken by Helena are on switch atm

[leaden sleet]

they do that on purpose to create hype early, its scummy but yeah

[past wind]

I don't know, man. I think not setting a date is better than having to postpone. What I mean is, I guess they really intended to release this year, but it wasn't possible.

My gut feeling, of course

[mint swan]

ever heard of BATIM: the dark revival? was announced 3 or 4 years ago and still nothing

[unborn galleon]

well i will see you guys next year

gets boring having to wait so long for ark 2

[mint swan]

humans when they realize they can do other stuff while waiting:

[unborn galleon]

😆 i can do other stuff and hate wildcard at the same time

[past wind]

happy holidays

[thick moat]

it may have been a problem they needed some more months to fix and the game is ready for release early 2023 and them not sharing info is because of the NDA, but this is EXTREMELY optimistic

[past wind]

IF they were constrained by an NDA, I guess we would have seen this Gamepass banner

but who knows

I just think they are playing safe

[thick moat]

we did no?

there was a small clip of it on the xbox game pass ad

[past wind]

They aren't creating any hype lately, and still people get disappointed. Now imagine if they start announcing their plans and something happens?

[past wind]

No man, it didn't

that was a clip showcasing the Samsung app

and it happended to show Ark 2

very generically

[thick moat]

still, ark 2 is an xbox exclusive

so it may still be a posibility

[past wind]

yes, it is, but was a clip showcasing the app

nothing related to ark

[thick moat]

yeah I may of confused it with the game pass showing ark 1

[tropic crag]

Still has no bearing on if they are under NDA or not, so uhhhhh

Useless convo is useless 😂

[past wind]

I don't think it's relevant

I will tell you my personal guess is Ark 2 releasing H1 2023

[tropic crag]

Same here, easily

[thick moat]

i think the same, IF the game has been going since Extinction im sure it's close

[nocturne raptor]

Increase rates for ark is going 0.5 percent higher, so it'll be 1.5

[past wind]

1x today is equivalent to 2x back in 2015

I think they will keep the small tribes rates (3x) for Ark 2, or the equivalent to that

[ripe cedar]

4x

[past wind]

I'm pretty sure it's 2x. After the first evo event (2x) they never set the rates back to 1x IIRC

but sure it's been more than 7 years, there's a huge chance I'm not remembering it right

[tropic crag]

It's actually effectively 4x. They've put it up to 2x twice.

[blissful perch]

not all rates were raised the same iirc? It's 2x the 2015 experience or raising or something and 4x gathering to my recollection...but it's been ages since I saw those numbers

[past wind]

I stand corrected. I remember they did it once. The second time I don't remember. 😂

[past wind]

Maybe that's it

because I don't remember the time to raise gigas and rexes cutting by 4

[tropic crag]

They are, besides a few things like rock pickup that would seem silly, the same across the board

[ripe cedar]

gathering, xp, taming

[past wind]

that makes sense

[ripe cedar]

changing raising and breeding have a much bigger impact

[tropic crag]

The raise and breed times have been fine tuned on a per-dino basis for years, though, to be fair

[past wind]

I don't know, man. Besides the first cut by half, I don't remember it changing outside evo events. But all I used to breed back then were gigas, rexes, spinos and pteras.

[ripe cedar]

They have changed certain ones occasionally

[tropic crag]

Like I said, per dino. The tuso is the last one I remember hearing them change

[ripe cedar]

It was around tlc 3 i think they changed a decent amount

Or maybe when drakes became breedable

[tropic crag]

Shortly before or thereafter was the tuso one, iirc, to make them in line with gigas I think

[past wind]

Well, but looking forward, I would like to see them lowering the raising timers, BUT increasing the mating intervals.

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[past wind]

11 days for a huge dino like a giga is too much

[blissful perch]

mating intervals are so dang lame though lol

[winged dome]

It's a necessary gameplay limiter imo, otherwise people would have armies of critters in the first day or so

[jaunty nexus]

.25x evo bring back classic rates

[past wind]

I mean, taking more than a few hours to the baby to eat from the feeding through is crazy

A giga takes a day

[jaunty nexus]

8 hour bronto tame

Berries

Pain

[past wind]

🤡

[jaunty nexus]

The raising times are fine

[past wind]

been there done that

[jaunty nexus]

Maewings make the game easy

No need to lower times

[past wind]

And I would be fine not having to do it again

[jaunty nexus]

I will say at least for PvE rates could be higher

[past wind]

Even for PVP is doable

[jaunty nexus]

But PvP higher rates could be alright too

[past wind]

just make tames less op in general

[jaunty nexus]

It really depends on what they want PvP to be

[jaunty nexus]

Not really

Raise capped stegos

A lot more than usual

Soak bases

But these mega tribes have all been around for years you aren’t getting in the biggest tribes bases regardless of what you do

[past wind]

I'm not a dev, so I have no ideas how to balance the pvp

BUT I know I don't want to spend days raising one single tame

[fickle gate]

Develop an anti cheat and get rid of tames that shoot shit

[jaunty nexus]

Velos are the only real counter for turtle spam

[fickle gate]

Game wasn’t too broken till manas came

Then straight downhill for pvp at high levels

[past wind]

my idea is making them less op

[jaunty nexus]

Velos or soakers?

[past wind]

the building system is being redone, right?

maybe metas will change a lot

[jaunty nexus]

Or just tames in general?

[past wind]

I'm not so sure "capped soakers" will be a meta in ark 2

[teal jolt]

When nets were created it makes it a lot easier to counter these op creaters

[past wind]

we don't even know how the defense systems will be

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t think creature in ARK 2 need to be as strong as ARK

[past wind]

That's my point

[jaunty nexus]

Especially if they’re adding souls like melee combat

Creatures need to not be able to super breed into 1 shot killers

[past wind]

yeah, that's why I think metas will be different this time

[jaunty nexus]

Hopefully

I don’t know how to feel about souls combat for PvP I’ve never been big on it

Conan was okay

But never cared for it in the souls series game

[past wind]

not just that, but the super farmers should go too LOL

anything to replace the stryder wouldn't be good

or the magma

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah resources need to be harder to obtain

I liked old ark back when it first released

Low resource yields

Very low actually

Made it feel like a survival game

[past wind]

yeah, right?

the alpha bases had like 30 turrets

now, in a few days people have full tek bases

[jaunty nexus]

It took months to get that too

I don’t think the game should be a super super grindy game but it should feel like an actual “survival game”

Evo events wouldn’t have to be a thing if the rates felt balanced

Also mod support for console and pc mean less official players and more unofficial which is also healthy

[past wind]

me neither

I want balance

[past wind]

I like officials, but the fact you need to be a super hardcore player made me get tired of that after a few years

I moved to unnos because of the quality of life they have

But one of the big cons is they are not so reliable: lots of crashs, wipes etc

[winged dome]

I'll never play Officials if it's anything like Ark1 is. I just don't have that kind of time to spend 😂

[jaunty nexus]

Unofficial make that irrelevant

I get why they want official to be a grind but that’s the main thing that populates their game

[winged dome]

Yeah, not saying it's wrong, just not where I will be spending my time. Props to peeps that consistently play and enjoy it though

[past wind]

they went on a never ending balancing war

but the final results aren't good

now it's easy, but in 2015 it was too hard

they raised the rates and also made things too easy to gather

like elements before and after extinction

or metal before and after aberration + karkinos + ankylo 😂

and so on

[winged dome]

Grinding Element via boss farming was pretty crap though

[past wind]

yeah, true, but extinction just made it too easy

don't you think?

raising rates from bosses would be better, I guess

and I'm not even talking about genesis 2

that map just spoiled everything concerning farming/grinding

[winged dome]

Element Veins are quicker and better yield but could be stolen by other groups, while locked boss arenas are fixed difficulty but have the pain of farming artifacts and tribute items

If I had to choose, I'd prefer the Veins method for Ark2

[past wind]

What, I assure you it's possible to steal from people fighting bosses

[winged dome]

Not during the fight - after, sure if you knew where they warped from

[past wind]

but you get my point

genesis 2 just spoiled it for good

[winged dome]

Oh for sure

[past wind]

element isn't rare or hard to get anymore

[jaunty nexus]

Gen 2 was stupid

The whole map imo was awful

[past wind]

yeah

[jaunty nexus]

It was just two biomes that were far from unique

[winged dome]

Gen2 was the Devs saying 'eh, you guys have suffered enough, go have fun in the sandbox'

[jaunty nexus]

Space is cool but resources didn’t have to be that abundant

Stryders being able to farm that much stuff was stupid

PvE has stryders parked on every resource spot so people can just bed teleport to them and farm then leave again

PvP just has all caves with good resources blocked by turrets

Unofficial that actually have good rules and an active population are super hard to come by

[winged dome]

Hopefully cave building won't be as powerful/necessary

[fickle gate]

Cave building will be necessary if there’s aimbot like it is now

[jaunty nexus]

Well if they keep the game to a more primitive experience it won’t be as bad

The new crafting system seems good too

Component based crafting

[desert swallow]

I wonder if they'll try to make pvp more casual friendly, by making raids less destructive to your overall progress, somehow.

[ripe cedar]

probably not, im guessing you will still be able to foundation wipe people. but how hard that is compared to ark 1 we do not know

[jaunty nexus]

I’m assuming foundation wiping would still be a thing

[loud star]

Case #30337 @wind jewel has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[south lance]

theres no way theres no full wipe

[mellow wadi]

anything i need to know abt ark 2. Like any new news that wasn't there 2 months ago

[lime forge]

Nope

[stray elm]

Nope

[tropic crag]

Sure there can be, a really nice method of safezone storage was suggested that sounded good enough, either an instanced worldspace (akin to the home caves on Path of Titans or ESO or something) or a safe inventory pouch (akin to the gamma crate from Tarkov or similar, Grounded actually just did that in the new update too in a neat way)

[prisma pike]

Having a safe area for anything in a game like ark is a shit idea. The safe area should be the base you build.

[tropic crag]

🤡

[tropic crag]

If bases are harder to raid and judge whether it's worth to raid or not, like Rust, then I'll concede to your point. Otherwise, no thanks. The main issue people have with Ark PvP at the core (ignoring cheaters and things that are obviously not core gameplay) is that nothing is really permanent; all your progress can be wiped away by one asshat no-life with a metric fuck-ton of c4 that he ground up while all the functioning members of society were working, or doing stuff with their kids, or sleeping. I can guarantee you that, because that's how all the tribes on my old servers quit, including mine. Getting wiped by one dude who has no life is the dumbest thing that can happen imo

[lime forge]

By “get better” do you mean quit my job and stay home and online for 20 hours a day to make sure some guy doesn’t soak my turrets and help himself to my loot?

[tropic crag]

Fr, like I applaud the attempt, but uh

Gatekeeping content and mechanics as well as... how safe you are in PvP behind how much of a life you have is a no-no

[jaunty nexus]

It does suck you just lose everything to a few people who legit don’t do anything besides play ARK and sleep. A big problem for me is time otherwise PvP would be my preferred choice

[mint swan]

What else i am supposed to do next with ark and sleep?!?!?

[blissful perch]

That game model is accessible only if building up is quick

Luckily for literally nobody but round the clock players and megas, ark does not boast quick build up times

[mint swan]

[desert swallow]

Anyways, I do think ark 2 will revamp raiding in some way to make pvp more accessible.

[prisma pike]

Hopefully they make it more skill based somehow instead of what it is currently which is just overwhelm the defenders with more players

Hopefully there's little to no CC abilities for tames (shadowmanes, cough) and that being able to pick people off of tames is limited and hardish to do

'Cause raiding in ark was ruined the moment nets and manes were introduced. Being able to completely disable any tame within your turret range is beyond stupid.

[vapid token]

I thought 2 was pve only?

[prisma pike]

It's marketed as a pvp game on the steam page idk where you got that from

[vapid token]

I saw a video about it was said it’s going to be pve with A.I that can attack you

[winged dome]

Don't believe YouTubers' lies

[split dove]

just bc pve is getting improved compared to what it's now doesn't mean pvp is excluded from the whole game. also sidenote, if you want 100% accurate news look at the steam page or any other news shared by wildcard

[vapid token]

I might just misunderstand the vid or it was just highlighting the pve changes

[untold ingot]

As of now it is marketed as a pvp game just like ark already was. I would expect lots of improvement to the pve side as well

[split dove]

ah man, i can't get that rex stuck on a rock anymore. i need to actually think on how to take down the smarter ai

[untold ingot]

I would like it to take a bit longer to place structures in ark2, the speed spam of building is something 8 would like to see done away lol

[winged dome]

I'd like builds to actually place where the outline shows. The number of walls and ceilings that were mistaken replaced is unreal

[blissful perch]

I’d much rather keep quick placing and slower “arming time” on turrets

[winged dome]

My favorite is when you place something and it just disappears into the Great Snap Point In The Sky

[untold ingot]

It should take between 3 to 6 seconds to place a structure lol

[blissful perch]

I’d rather a more strict limit on placing them next to hostiles or wild creatures

Since it’s so lame to watch someone erect a trap on top of a bear trapped dino

[untold ingot]

Bear traps should deal a lot of damage and make a creature untameable

[prisma pike]

Yeaaaaah no thank you

[blissful perch]

They shouldn’t deal much damage. I’m interested in it blocking taming though

Since it’s the lamest way to tame something I’ve ever seen

[prisma pike]

Bear traps should sever feet off of whatever steps on them

[untold ingot]

They don't do that irl, so why would they in game?

They do trap things and make them really mad and hostile though

[prisma pike]

Yeah well irl you'd die if a rex bit you but u don't

[blissful perch]

Creatures don’t magically bite 6 times stronger irl and soak up bullets better either after a few generations of mutations

[prisma pike]

Okay the biting stronger thing after a few generations is realistic tho

[blissful perch]

I just think it’s dumb to walk over a trap and instantly take a massive chunk of damage…especially if they can be littered around a base

[prisma pike]

People breed animals irl yk lol

[untold ingot]

Yes, like c4 traps or mines in every other game...

[blissful perch]

Yes, within biologic tolerances

Ark breeders would be seething if they had to obey biologic limits 😂

[prisma pike]

Use ur eyes lol

[blissful perch]

Often called the most skill lacking and annoying feature of said games?

[blissful perch]

You can “use your eyes” to see a turret wall too. Doesn’t make it fun gameplay to have to soak it

[prisma pike]

Baiting people into traps is a very skillful maneuver wdym

[winged dome]

It's also lore that the creatures in Ark have been genetically engineered to be more susceptible to domestication

[blissful perch]

Yea but what about just littering the ground with 100 obvious bear traps? By the time someone disarms them all they’re filled with arrows from defenders

[untold ingot]

There has to be some form of defense, and I would much rather have damage dealing things like bear traps and mines rather than giant turret walls

[winged dome]

Junkrat mains

[prisma pike]

Bro, break them lol

[blissful perch]

Objectively not the same as being genetically engineered to magically create more damage out of thin air, but sure

[blissful perch]

…which takes time. Again, like if I told you “just soak it” for a turret walk that people are actively defending

[winged dome]

I meant more against bear traps making them untameable

[blissful perch]

It’s possible, but is it fun? It certainly doesn’t sound different

[blissful perch]

Ah gotcha.

[winged dome]

But yeah, wild vs tamed/bred stats is kinda silly

[prisma pike]

Yeah well raiding shouldn't be a five minute adventure

[winged dome]

Esp with mutations

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with that. But it sounds like you want bear traps to be strong enough to use as a protective force field ahead of your turrets

Low cost, high reward if they work, and you majorly stall your opponents even if they get found and disarmed

[untold ingot]

I mean, I want turret walls to not be a thing

[prisma pike]

I just said to break them instead of holding e to disarm them?

[blissful perch]

By what biting them?

[prisma pike]

Or shooting them

Or, whatever else works.

[blissful perch]

So what stops you from just walking along biting the ground to disable any traps

[untold ingot]

I am really hoping ark2 is a melee based game, where shooting, turret walls and explosives aren't a thing. Or at least are really really expensive

[prisma pike]

So do you want traps?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[prisma pike]

Not u

Lol

[untold ingot]

I want the game to be slower paced and more challenging

[prisma pike]

Facts

Ark too fast and easy now

[blissful perch]

The easiest thing to do for that is remove note buffs. And while you’re at it, grant 0exp for killing babies

[untold ingot]

But I want it to be actually challenging, not just glitchy challenging

[prisma pike]

Then make the xp system not take a literal month of daily playing to get one level

[untold ingot]

That literally doesn't help lol. You level so fast in ark just by doing random things

[blissful perch]

I’ll let you two sort that contradictory set of opinions out

[prisma pike]

Takes me almost a month to go from 171 to 172 on 1x

And Tek pods don't even give xp, neither does crafting after 135

[untold ingot]

Leveling should be directly related to exploration, but exploring should be harser

[prisma pike]

Literally only get xp for killing stuff

[untold ingot]

Imo it makes no sense to get exp from killing stuff. Like somehow you kill enough raptors and know how to make a boat.

[prisma pike]

How would they do that? Give you xp for walking a certain distance? Or for visiting specific areas/biomes?

[blissful perch]

I’m down to remove the rpg from the game entirely, but I doubt that’s happening

Many survival games require funding blueprints or crafting to unlock other recipes. Entirely outside an rpg leveling system

[untold ingot]

Finding an important note or something, that gives you the engram to craft some3

I don't want player exp to be related to crafting

[winged dome]

Oops, all Tekgrams

[untold ingot]

I want engrams to be locked behind notes, with the good ones to be locked behind hard caves

[blissful perch]

I’d far prefer missions to notes

[untold ingot]

Either or. I am not picky

[blissful perch]

Scouting a massive map for notes just to get crafting recipes is so annoying. Unless the game gives you direction

[untold ingot]

I just don't want them to be from leveling your character

[blissful perch]

Ideally your character doesn’t level up at all

But I think the ship sailed on that one. 🤷‍♂️ it’s a shame, would be fun if character stats stayed low and what determined progress was gear and skill

[untold ingot]

Leveling makes sense, but only if it isn't related to some exp thing

I would rather you get tiny amounts of exp from doing things, but get most from actually completing objectives of some type

[blissful perch]

This isn’t a realism argument. If it was, everything would have levels and it would be one of those debatably good hyper realistic survival games

[prisma pike]

Ew

[blissful perch]

You’d start being able to do barely anything and would have to spend months doing the same task to be able to make it better

IE: cringe gameplay

[winged dome]

Ark2: RuneScape Evolved

[untold ingot]

Leveling isn't good game play. But it is important to feel a progression

[blissful perch]

Leveling is fine for gameplay, there’s an entire genre of successful games that do that

[untold ingot]

Having it all gear based works for a single player game that doesn't have kit looting

[prisma pike]

Pokemon players rn

[untold ingot]

But it's not good for something like ark

[blissful perch]

People care very much about leveling in ark

See: breeding

[prisma pike]

Your character level is a sign of wealth actually

[untold ingot]

I would rather it be a sign of skill or dedication lol

[prisma pike]

Eh, less the levels more the stats.

[prisma pike]

Oh it very much shows your dedication to the game.

[untold ingot]

I got a char to 190 on 1x out of a rathole. Yeah there is dedication, but no skill lol

[blissful perch]

The stats are the levels. I understand that yes a 450 can be garbage or all correctly capped, but the design being discussed is the same

[prisma pike]

Rathole on 1x? I'd kms.

I cba to finish up alpha gen 2 missions and my notes to get to 190 unless they decide to make the game good again.

[blissful perch]

I’m down to not need the leveling system is the point

But I’m also very uninterested in being directed to notes on the map to be able to craft stuff: that’s better off in a singleplayer/coop PvE game (likely one with a story)

[prisma pike]

What if the leveling system is just engrams?

[blissful perch]

You mean no stats? I’m down

[prisma pike]

Yeah no stats just engrams

[blissful perch]

But I’d like to see leveling provide “basic engrams” and the missions provide knowledge points that unlock skills and “advanced engrams”

In short, yes I’d far prefer that system

[prisma pike]

Imagine there's no leveling and the only way to unlock advanced equipment is through missions

[blissful perch]

I’m not opposed to that, but it does seem rather harsh

It would certainly be interesting if most crafting recipes were locked behind missions. But imo that would kinda kill the sandbox idea WC seems to want to keep

[prisma pike]

Imagine if the devs scrapped the creatures hits connecting with each other mechanics and creature combat is like ark 1s

[dense current]

how many player can be in a tribe in a smalltribes server

[prisma pike]

6

[blissful perch]

For what reason would I imagine that?

[prisma pike]

To prepare for pain?

Idk

I'm too high for that

[late compass]

turrets were a bad idea imo

[rugged coral]

Their impact could be lessened by only allowing so many to be placed in an area

Or reduce the damage of consecutive turrets that are targeting a single entity by like 20-30%

[past wind]

They already have a limit, but it’s too high. Also, it’s hard to balance that. The tank creatures are too Op right now, reducing damage it only make it easier to raid bases.

The good thing is I believe the new game will have a totally different approach to those things.

[untold ingot]

Easy fix to that lol. Remove the player added stat leveling

[past wind]

Ir just change the meta. 🤣

I don’t know how, but the game developers might have a solution

[untold ingot]

That would change the meta lol

If you could only get stegos to 9k hp, then you would only need like 10 heavies to be moderately safe

[past wind]

I mean, sure it would for Ark I, but I don’t believe Ark 2 will have auto turret.s Primitive combat and all

[untold ingot]

It might have more plant based options, maybe npc based things

[past wind]

Don’t think so

I think they will focus on mounted guns

Cannons and harpoons for example

[untold ingot]

I personally don't want guns at all

[winged dome]

Ballistae, catapults, ect probably. Or another organic solution like Plant X

[past wind]

Yes

[untold ingot]

The aesthetic of how it looks makes no difference if it's the same in practice. Catapults that are not manned are no different than autoturrets

[past wind]

X plants are ok the way they are currently

[bleak bone]

i belive it will be whole primitive again with no guns or just real prim ones

[past wind]

But the way I see it, it won’t be the same

They are slower weapons

Not so accurate

[untold ingot]

Yeah, there is just the issue of scaling lol. I really hope ark 2 doesn't have gear that is 200x better than basic gear lol

[untold ingot]

That could work

[winged dome]

I just want armor durability to actually last. Ark1's current armor takes like 5 hits then it's useless

And as soon as it breaks, you're extremely vulnerable unless you quick swap. Armor swapping should be trashed as well

[past wind]

I think you didn’t like the idea of NPCs mounting the weapons, right? Like on the pirate game I mean. 🤣

[untold ingot]

Unless you get a good set, then you can literally walk up to 3 heavies and survive lol

[untold ingot]

If guns are a thing? Yeah that won't work lol

If guns aren't a thing then it could work

I don't really like the idea of taming humanoid npcs on ark though

[past wind]

Because of the concept or morals? Because they could be paid soldiers.

On Atlas you have to feed and pay them or they will riot

[untold ingot]

Because ai for human npcs in game is too dumb for me

[past wind]

I have some friends that are dumber 🤣

But well we will see

I’m open to any innovative concept they bring to the table

[untold ingot]

When ai for humans in games actually is ai, then I am open to it. Until then I would rather not lol

[winged dome]

I mean, I'd take aimbot turret NPCs over half my teammates in Overwatch any day ...

[untold ingot]

Well, it's easier to code aimbot npcs than to get skilled at the game lol

The math for it is really easy

[winged dome]

Judging by the aimbotters ... too true 😂

[untold ingot]

It just takes basic trajectory math, with would probably take me less than 2 hours to code up. It takes thousands of hours to get skilled at games lol

Ark2 if it has projectile weapons, they have to be bows, and they have to be inconsistent at range

Otherwise npc turrets aren't viable

[split dove]

gotta love when i have to deal dmg as well when i tank bc my dps are ''special'' when it comes to dealing dmg

[winged dome]

It's everyone's job to deal damage though.

But if a Support gets more damage and kills than a dedicated DPS, thats a problem.

[blissful perch]

I’d far prefer it if armor had near infinite durability but reduced damage by way less

[winged dome]

Or as durability decreases, damage reduction decreases too. Maybe to like 1/2 at nearly broken

[past wind]

That’s what he said

Or at least it was I understood

[winged dome]

Not really, there was no mention of armor to durability ratio

[past wind]

Anyways I like what you said. Less dura = less damage reduction.

[winged dome]

It makes more sense than Ark1's 'perfectly protective armor', until you get bit by one too many Compies and everything breaks and you're unprotected

[tropic crag]

Never been a big fan of the armor quality reducing as the durability does, it's either broken or it ain't ya know? That's how it works in real life, for the most part

[winged dome]

There's different tiers of broken though, right? If a phone screen cracks but can still be operated within reason then the phone isn't useless

[stray elm]

What'd you mean?

[past wind]

I don’t like this kind of approach, that things needs to be like IRL. It’s a game: alien planet, dinosaurs etc. A game developer should focus on playability and balance, IMO.

[tropic crag]

Idk, I just think armor should have a set value and that's it, either broken or not. Maybe make it so that it being broken, it can still be worn? And have the reduced armor be from that? That sounds like a nice compromise

[stray elm]

Like, if all of the leather-straps on flak armor are ripped off, then I don't think it's usable.

[tropic crag]

Exactly what I said, I guess? I don't understand the question...

[tropic crag]

Armor doesn't get less useful the more it's used, so there's really no common ground here

It's broken or it isn't, simple as

[stray elm]

Mechanically, yeah that's how it should be.
The only other way I can think of is like Fallout, where once it gets to a quarter health left, it degrades its protection by like half.

[brave shuttle]

@drowsy ibex

Give us Ark 2 information

[stray elm]

You do know he has no say in shit like that, right?

[winged dome]

Don't get me wrong, I'd be alright with indestructible armor - but we all know survival crafter games loooooove those durability bars

[tropic crag]

Nowhere did I say the armor had to be indestructible 😅

[winged dome]

It was mentioned earlier by Shifter

[tropic crag]

Near infinite is not infinite, either

[winged dome]

I'm just thinking the most likely scenario

Reading is hard, 'kay?

Clowns back in the chat got my IQ dropping faster than a bola'd Ptera

[stray elm]

I've never had an issue with durability with armor in games

[tropic crag]

Understandable 😂

It's been a wild ride since TGA the other day

[untold ingot]

I don't know where I stand on armor lol. The issue with high dura armor is that it basically makes the player invincible. Like I have run a wall of 50 heavies in 140 armor 3k dura flak, and survived long enough to blow rockets and drop the wall. You could have armor at 500armor, and 500 dura and it wouldn't do half as well. Along the same lines, the exosuit is almost more useful than a normal tek suit because it has infinite dura. In my experience, most cases are more dependent on the dura of the armor not the actual armor value.

So I don't know if I want to see high dura armor or not, only thing I know is that I want the ratio between high tier armor and primative armor to be less than 200+ which it is right now

[tropic crag]

Any armor (like the actual armor stat) above like, 100, maybe, is bustedly OP, I'll say

The actual statistical advantage there needs to be looked into for sure

[stray elm]

Personally, I'd love more environmental/element protection with armor.
Fur armor having damage reduction to frost-based damage (if there's anything akin to like a mana) while having increased damage to fire-based damage.

[tropic crag]

Because it's not well balanced at all

[tropic crag]

With them not going harder into survival mechanics, I highly doubt this

[stray elm]

That's more RPG then survival.

A lot of RPG games have element-protection armors.

[untold ingot]

More rpg elements would be okay

[stray elm]

Which it seems like ARK-2 is steering more towards.

[untold ingot]

Like the main rp thing I want is to be able to use the type of armor that I want to, and not just always be stuck with the same flak every time

[stray elm]

True.
I'd love if more armor had uses.

[blissful perch]

I was also considering suggesting this…I’m not sure how you’d communicate it to other players though

[untold ingot]

Like every wipe, or every time you start on any pvp server the mission is to get better flak. All other armor is useless. With gen2 giving free infinite dura tek suits even the op tek suits aren't as valuable anymore

[past wind]

That’s one of the funny things of balancing efforts for Ark. They took out the rocket launchers BPs, but never did the same for the armor parts.

[tropic crag]

Well, that one actually made sense, lol

[past wind]

It did indeed, my point is, they shouldn’t have stopped there

Lots of OP stuff were left

[tropic crag]

Armor should be able to be built better, the rocket launcher was legitimately busted. I don't think it's the actual armor's fault, either, just the wonky calculations

[prisma pike]

Yeah being able to 2 shot walls in 1x was pretty broken

That and if you hit somebody on their tame they'd usually either die or almost die

[tropic crag]

Like the stats for armor, with how they work, essentially anything above 100 is just... total damage mitigation

[past wind]

I remember there were rocket launchers BPs from fishing that would HK metal structures. They were op af

[prisma pike]

Nah, if you get headshotted by a decent fabi without a good helmet around 300+ armor you'll take like 50 damage from it still

[past wind]

Well, anyway, most of those issues might be gone just because those items won’t be available on Ark 2.

[tropic crag]

I definitely think that weapons having qualities (like the rocket launcher issue) is a little on the weird side, it feeds into a few of the issues the game has to be sure. I may be even coming around on the armors too, I guess 😅 . Idk, if they were going to get rid of stats like that/in that way, and go for a more RPG approach akin to say Skyrim or BotW, then they would need a lot of different types of weapons and armors, over 3x what they had in Ark 1 undoubtedly, which just may be the way they're going with the varied mats and combinations system we've heard about

[prisma pike]

I feel like the modular weapons and stuff will just have different materials give different buffs depending on where they're used

Or will just be cosmetic altogether. But most likely the first if it's between the two.

[blissful perch]

It SHOULD give some lateral progression so people can experiment and come up with new similar tier weapons and armor

[crimson sonnet]

the fact its 3. person is until now the only thing i need to ..well accept xD

i mean sure the first thing sayed was u can easy download a mod that makes it also first person but i dont know if i would like it if its not on the vision of the devs

like the more time passes i am getting scared of the .. 1 or 2 minutes of shown gameplay xD

[prisma pike]

Yeah same here kinda

No first person in a survival game kinda kills the vibe

[winged dome]

I don't really mind 3rd person too much, but having the option for 1st would be nice. Probably a mod in the first few weeks/months

[prisma pike]

Yeah but not every server would use it, neither would official.

[crimson sonnet]

oh god i never thought about servers..

like..i always host my own..for kinda myself.. but ark 2 will probably be a bit more complicated with settings and crashes to figure out what happend xD

like is it even a multiplayer like ark 1 ? it seemd more story based with main chars and stuff..

well whatever comes out at some point i will get it and play it for probably about at least 3 k hours ..so well xD

[stray elm]

They confirmed online pvp, so yes, it'll have servers

[desert swallow]

what if they use serverless technology!

[stray elm]

Is that even a thing?

[desert swallow]

yes it is

aws lambda, but from your point of view it's still a "server"

[crimson sonnet]

mhh i guess we can only speculate until further information but thats why the channel here is a thing lol

[stray elm]

I'd assume a serverless system would be 'no server boxes to waste room'

[crimson sonnet]

but ..i mean a game like ark even in ue5 needs ALOT of stuff to work in the background

[stray elm]

Yep

[desert swallow]

ya it was a IT joke

[crimson sonnet]

like when i play the first one on my own i have some probs when its hosted on a server its like ...a new game lol

oh well xD

ooff ..like...i am playing ark since 3 k hours..since it was in early ..alpha i think... i never really played pvp.. oof a huge thing i missed out

[stray elm]

It never came out to the public in alpha

3k is also small fish.

[crimson sonnet]

mhh i only remember needing a nasa pc and it was 4 frames but i still loved it xD

i literly saw the evolve of the game state at this point it was crazy 😄

[stray elm]

Same.

Been playing since 2015.

[crimson sonnet]

yeah thats the good old time where the menu was like diffrent.. i ..oh god..

i dont think my pc is ready for ark 2..

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[crimson sonnet]

i need like 2 of the graphics i have now xD

[winged dome]

Ah yes, double graphics

[split dove]

twice the graphics cards, double the housefire size

[desert swallow]

I have a charity called Pixels for Peasants. Going to be busy with ark 2.

[crimson sonnet]

maybe we will get "some" info out of the new update on the 14.

[sonic elbow]

Triple the explosion radius of an atom bomb.

[past wind]

I doubt it, next thing "new" we will hear about is probably SOTF.

[crimson sonnet]

also a good thing that its reworked 😄

[prisma pike]

They'll probably do ark 2 reveals when they're done with ark 1. So anytime after December.

[crimson sonnet]

it is what it is :3

[potent hull]

what if they show us ark 2 game play as a Christmas gift to the player or a as a new years gift to the player ho nows the future is not for seen yet

[desert swallow]

ark 2 gameplay reveal Christmas day confirmed

[potent hull]

lol

[split dove]

Only for the good kids/adults. Video unavailable for those on the naughty list

[potent hull]

at lest i got some of you to lol

[winged dome]

Anyone considering share or uploading the gameplay reveal on Christmas will be automatically retrofitted to the naughty list

And submitted to the 'Nog for conditioning

[hardy basin]

Really hoping for literally any gameplay before launch this is getting sketchy

[crimson sonnet]

al i want for christmas is yo...2 minutes of normal gameplay maybe 3 😄

[south lance]

eggnoglin

[wheat nymph]

.

[solar galleon]

Ark 4 when

[foggy surge]

3100

I hope the gameplay is going to come out in the coming weeks

[neat tartan]

Hey

Plz where found official annoucement about ark 2?

We always research to know somethings.

Like if the first release will be on real pc version, or only the emulate version of MS store

[ionic meteor]

Check out their steam page for information

So apparently we aren't the only ones upset for no ark 2 news on game awards

Other xbox games coming in 2023 weren't talked about either

[ionic meteor]

Well the next event is xbox showcase next june so it looks like they're gonna just release it out of nowhere soon

[worldly garden]

Everything confirmed is in the pins at the top of this discord.

[worldly garden]

What makes you think it will be soon?

[ionic meteor]

aaron greenberg said we dont have to wait long to see more of the upcoming xbox games

I seriously don't know why people blame the devs for no ark 2, its all up to xbox marketing teams

[neat tartan]

Thanks a lot

[neat tartan]

Steam is not official for me.
I remember metro Exodus...

[thick moat]

Well check the "Redefining the survival genre" from wildcard then

[thick moat]

It's on pinned too

[neat bough]

whats going to be min requirements for pc anyone know

[ocean mason]

Will need a NASA computer with 5 brontobytes r/w & net speeds

[mint swan]

😂

[mint swan]

We dont know

[neat bough]

@drowsy ibex ik you know about ark 2 tell me NOW i promise i wont tell anyone please

[thick moat]

XD

[ionic meteor]

If only it was that easy 😂

[neat bough]

😂

[minor prism]

Bro I actually believe that once Xbox gets ther nibs in anything they wana control it lol I don’t doubt they are doing exactly what u said ngl 😂

[crimson sonnet]

when i read everything i get the question ...on steam and pc it will be early access but is it the same for x box? it reads like it will be full released on x box and pc will get an ea first? xD

[blissful perch]

It’s EA on all platforms

[fallow niche]

Steam, Windows10, and Xbox at the same time.

[crimson sonnet]

okay so it will be all early access okay

[untold ingot]

Playstation does not get it early access

[neat bough]

Are they going to delay it to 2024

[fallow niche]

We don't know

[tropic crag]

Kind of a silly thing to ask, when it isn't even 2023 yet, huh? 😅

[south lance]

^

[neat bough]

ye but they still have not showed gameplay and its nearly 2023

[south lance]

calm down bro things will end up as best they can be

they physically cant perpetually put off release cause they need money after all

[crimson sonnet]

hope i will survive the next time until release lol

[tropic crag]

...You... you do know that 2023 is an entire 365 days, yes?

[south lance]

dont die

[tropic crag]

(I'm really hoping people know what a year is)

[south lance]

2023 will most likely be release in any case, but theyre definitely a good while from it

they may just not need hype atm

[crimson sonnet]

and all of a sudden bämm release withut any clues xD

[south lance]

which means a lot of work going on atm

[tropic crag]

That's the best kind of release, imo

[south lance]

keep in mind they are trying to port it everywhere and get this thing with significant mod support

[crimson sonnet]

i mean i am still waiting on beond good and evil 2 so i know patience xD

[south lance]

for all we know they could be closing up on dev for base game and just trying to port it everywhere

[split dove]

wait Bruising, you seen the latest tweet from CudaCores? heavily suggests they're on a NDA as we've already speculated

[past wind]

TBF we have some clues, it will be 2023 and the game pass banner points to an H1 2023 release

[south lance]

h1?

[tropic crag]

I have not, can you send and @ me in the other Discord?

[split dove]

first half i believe

[south lance]

oh

[quaint horizon]

Like I said before June 7th Is my guess based off some data.

[blissful perch]

*one iffy data point (fixed it) 🙂

[south lance]

which data tho

[elfin pumice]

Why the 7th specifically?

[blissful perch]

Xbox event, 99% bet

[south lance]

ive been too busy mismanaging my homework to keep up with this shit

[past wind]

One thing you should have in mind: even the day they have set as their goal isn’t 100% assured

[south lance]

public deadlines are suggestions

for all games

[blissful perch]

I'd call them targets lol, they do have meaning and SHOULD be followed where possible

but like most targets, they can be missed

[quaint horizon]

It's based of previous expansion dates, Microsoft previous dates and some steam dB data.

[quaint horizon]

Pax is in March so doubtful they do anything there

[past wind]

You shouldn’t limit the possibilities to big events

They have their own channels to publish the gameplay

[blissful perch]

previous expansion dates is insanely shoddy evidence...since those dates have been all over the place (many) with massive delays

[quaint horizon]

E3 is June, but Microsoft Is in the middle of setting up an event in q1. Which lines up with snail games announcements

[tropic crag]

Yeah, they don't have to do it at any particular event, don't know why that's such a big misconception around here lately...

[elfin pumice]

The thing is that info in big events goes to lots of people, not only ark fans

[past wind]

Sure, but they can always publish the gameplay and spread it later on

[elfin pumice]

Still wont reach as many people

[quaint horizon]

They can do it at any event. If they do it at pax still lines up a June release

[elfin pumice]

It is an option though

[past wind]

I don’t see why it would reach less people if they publish here on discord and later on a big event

[elfin pumice]

Oh i though by "spread later on" you ment spreading in their own channels

[blissful perch]

a front page steam announcement is as large an audience as you can get on PC

that release will be published EVERYWHERE

[neat bough]

what is xbox event

[quaint horizon]

And you know every youtuber for ark will spread it like wildfire. They don't need the big event again. Is it smarter? Maybe

[thick moat]

It's being said RN that there may be an xbox event announcing xbox titles release dates and gameplays very close (january february)

[past wind]

People are eagerly waiting for any news. I doubt it wouldn’t spread fast. 🤣

[elfin pumice]

As i said before, i missunderstood

[past wind]

I think that blizzard/Bethesda thing is holding them, IMO

[thick moat]

There's a tweet by Aaron Greenberg saying we won't have to wait too long

[quaint horizon]

Yup Microsoft is talking about an event rn.

[thick moat]

Probably it's that yeah

[past wind]

I saw it, but they might think it will be resolved soon, the issue I mean

[thick moat]

Yeah so January we may get a Gameplay reveal, who knows

[split dove]

we get it when we get it

[thick moat]

Well obviously xd

[tropic crag]

(The fact that it needed to be said declares that it is not, in fact, obvious)

[thick moat]

Bruh

[tropic crag]

All I'm gonna say is, I really hope that Microsoft deal for Activision goes through. I don't believe that they're going to overstep their boundaries and make CoD and other such franchises Xbox exclusive like the FTC says they are. They've literally already committed to putting it on Switch, for gods sakes 😂

And I heavily believe that it's Sony's fault that they didn't get anything set in stone ahead of time, they could have definitely shelled out to get a contract for CoD and/or Ark 2, of that I have no doubt

[ionic meteor]

IGN, Gamespot, ARK youtubers and many other gaming channels will surely do a great job at having the gameplay trailer reach out to alot of poeple

[neat bough]

[ionic meteor]

Xbox said they'll make CoD available on PS for the next 10 years AND make it release on the switch which is a huge win for switch players

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the fact that Sony won't accept the deal is their problem, idk why the FTC felt it had to step in. Super misinformed move if you ask me

[stray elm]

Ah, the FTC stepped in?

[fallow niche]

Please remember to keep it Ark 2

[ionic meteor]

Yes ARK 2

[civic flower]

guys

Does ARK 2 has a pvp servers?

[neat bough]

no its has nothing

never will

[civic flower]

so its story mode only

[neat bough]

no im jk

[potent hull]

no is noxy story only lol

[neat bough]

no online?

huh

[fallow niche]

It will have pvp. It is not story mode only. It is a sandbox.

[mellow wadi]

Is ark 2 a goad game?

[neat bough]

idkj

[mellow wadi]

good/bad

XD

[rotund grail]

Maybe ark 3 come out before ark 2 at this rate .

Give us ark 2

[mint swan]

You could do any better?

[rotund grail]

Sure could .Plus not piss off the people buying my product.

[neat bough]

if i had mmillions and a team of creators it would be easy

[mint swan]

You guys have no idea what goes into creating a game.

[neat bough]

well according to my 80 years of game creating i could make ark 2 for 100$ and a pack of poo and a good pc all i need

[mint swan]

Im sorry mr expert, could you tell me how online works in coding?

[neat bough]

umm not at the moment

[tidal flint]

what happened to the animated series?

[marble thunder]

Wrong channel, use this one instead: #ark-animated-series.
(we don't know if it is still planned that the animated series will be released in December, but nothing from the Wildcard side, said that it will be delayed, so it should release in a few weeks.)

[split dove]

it was in post production since june this year, so it could still be on time

[mellow wadi]

Tell us how it works then lmfao

[solar jewel]

I'm glad this channel exists im hyped for Ark II !

[south lance]

"will ark2 have pvp" is easily the most common question here now

is it pve players who are really hopeful or pvp players who have a comedically bad interpretation of wc

[south lance]

shucks

[desert swallow]

failure of the education system mostly.

[thick moat]

Savage

[high wagon]

Will ark 1 be out of beta by the time ark 2 comes out?

[stray elm]

Like we haven't heard that one before.

[high wagon]

Can't help it if everyone steals my joke

[ripe cedar]

both sides always assume that wildcard favors the other and only makes the game to adhere to them its pretty funny

[potent hull]

wildcard on one side that there side lol

[mint swan]

Am i saying i could do it better?

[prisma pike]

It's an objective fact that wildcard responds to official tickets on PvE servers faster. You wait for weeks or even months on pvp to get a response. I've met people who used to play PvE and had gms come over within days whenever there were issues.

[thick moat]

I heard people who never got a gm to respond to a ticket too

[inland oak]

I think if you spam u wont get reply

for me with in 5 days GM replied to my tickets

[lime forge]

Did Ark 2 release yet?

[ionic meteor]

No unfortunately

[elfin pumice]

ark 2 come out when

[lime forge]

What about now?

[thick moat]

Yes, there's an alpha version right now for you@lime forge

[pale copper]

If ark 2 comes out. Would they delete ark "1" ?

[lime forge]

“When” Ark 2 comes out, they’ll likely keep Ark 1 servers open as long as it’s viable. The official servers will not last forever though.

[stray elm]

What'd you mean?

[pale copper]

if they delete the game from steam or smth

[stray elm]

When has a fucking sequel ever done that?

[crimson kindle]

@stray elm overwatch 2 did it. Its obviously not common but just an example

[stray elm]

Fair.
But Overwatch 2 is just a paid-updated version of Overwatch-1.
ARK-2 is a whole new game, and product that'll have nothing in common with ARK-1 other then the title, and the barebones of what makes an ARK-game.
So I don't see them taking away ARK-1 from the store-page.

Especially when they have fan favorite stuff like Aberration, reapers, wyverns, etc, that might not even make it into ARK-2.

[wanton pike]

Well you see different planets in the trailer, I hope they will make those planets inhabited with alien and fantasy-like creatures.

[stray elm]

Well, they can already do that on Arat, but I do hope the other moon is explorable in a later dlc.

If everything from the Genesis-2 ending is definitive, and same with internal dev-kit names, then it seems like Arat is orbiting a gas-giant, alongside another Earth-like moon that could be Arat's sister.

[lime forge]

Did you forget to take your blood pressure medication?

[mint swan]

Irrelevant, but yes

[wanton pike]

Btw I believe one of the aratai was wearing Wyvern gloves in the first trailer. Could be wrong though

Just checked the trailer and he definitely has the Wyvern gloves skin on, which might indicate that we will have Wyverns in ark 2

[split dove]

it does look like it, but wyvern gloves usually have just crystals on them, not the bone version. so i'd say that design just took inspiration from them

[wanton pike]

I think the skin could be altered slightly, might also be a skin that you get from a Dino now, who knows

I’d love a prehistoric animal only map but I wouldn’t mind having a few fictional creatures that easily fit in, such as the Wyvern, rock elemental, desert wyrm etc.

[iron sequoia]

Lol

[bold juniper]

Alien life

[blissful perch]

Given the setting tho I think that’s a bit of a pipe dream outside of a mod map 😅

[lethal vault]

When is the gameplay trailer coming any idea?

[elfin pumice]

no

we dont know

[mint swan]

No i know
Im just not telling

[past wind]

You are one of the good boys too?

[mint swan]

I am 🙏

[split dove]

[mortal kestrel]

thats different

overwatch 2 is the same exact game but with a 2 attached

arkII is fundamentally different from arkI even down to its core mechanics

besides, playstation players wont even be able to play arkII for a few years likely

[prisma pike]

Overwatch 2 is free though?

[ionic meteor]

I don't play overwatch 2 but my friend who does says it feels like an update rather another installment 💀

[prisma pike]

Overwatch 2 is taking the first game and revamping every character and teams sizes for a more fun gameplay loop. There's very little crowd control in it compared to the first game, almost every character has been changed and there's now systems in place to where it's much easier to solo carry and snowball.

It also has a cleaner, more modern hud. So, you know, everything that a sequel brings.

[mortal kestrel]

when overwatch 2 first came out, it was just overwatch with a 2 attached, and some gross f2p microtransactions attached

[tropic crag]

It still is, lmao

Overwatch 2 is a disappointment and hardly considerable as a sequel, especially seeing as how the first game is no longer playable and it was, quite literally, an update to the base game

[grave python]

the year is ending. not a single announcement

and back it 2020 they said it's 2022

already been 2 years

[ionic meteor]

Xbox has been very silent for some reason

[grave python]

and they are making shіt nobody asked for

[split dove]

they did my boy Doomfist so dirty untill they buffed him after 2 months of being the worst tank and one of the worst heroes in general

[grave python]

who asked for voicelines in notes?

and let me gues, 1 month later DLC announcement The Chasm?

[ionic meteor]

It was made for the new switch version, ig they did that because they want to boost its marketing by having exclusive new stuff

[grave python]

a better marketing boost would be removal of sarco nose teeth

ark and mobile are their only games alive because they have no sarco nose teeth

[blissful perch]

Sarco nose teeth may be the most niche request I’ve ever seen here

[grave python]

These things look terrible. Lets see it looking... good... just a model revamp would be nice, I've seen a lot of ability ideas around here which is nice but the model is the worst. IT HAS TEETH ON ITS NOSE MAN. TEEEEEEEETH. - average tlc feedback

and maybe fix 500 gb size

[blissful perch]

There’s no reason to model revamp any ark 1 creature with ark 2 on the horizon

[grave python]

compare the playerbase of sotf, atlas and ark park with the playerbase of mobile and ark

[blissful perch]

Again, ark 1 official events end this year. Very clear that ark 1 support is not going to be endless

Sotf is gonna perhaps see more players after the rerelease effort in the coming months

[grave python]

because they are fixing sarco's nose

[blissful perch]

If sarcos are IN sotf. I don’t think they were in the OG. And if WC ever wanted to waste time on sarco noses in ark 1

[grave python]

they were

[blissful perch]

The ark 1 creature in most dire need of TLC is the saber, and after that the spider

[split dove]

iirc the TLC model for the sarco fixed the nose teeth, but he likes to beat the joke to death

[grave python]

they already tlcd saber

[blissful perch]

True. It’s called thyla 😂

[split dove]

just a small model update and left it to rot after that with new creatures coming out/old ones being rebalanced

[grave python]

the saber had a new model, a sound pass and a 50% fall damage reuction

in sotf they are almost completely furless, they only have fur on their neck

and make the argy sound

[untold ingot]

I honestly wouldn't expect an ark1 tlc on dinos, and I wouldn't ask for one personally, because I would rather they focus entirely on ark2 atm

[grave python]

they will never focus

now they are making a new atlas season, then sotf, then AA season 2, and then season 3 and then 4 and 5 and 6